r , britain. >> good afternoon, britain. >> good afternoon, britain. >> it's 12 pm. on thursday, the 7th of december. coming up this afternoon. >> stop the boats in the wake of the immigration minister's sensational resignation last night, rishi sunak has doubled down on his emergency legislation to stop the boats. he says he is willing to override the courts . but will override the courts. but will his law go far enough .7 his law go far enough? >> britain under attack . british >> britain under attack. british politicians, journalists , ngos politicians, journalists, ngos and public facing individuals have all been victim to a sophisticated series of cyber attacks from the russian state. not just how many have been compromised . compromised. >> boris battles back after a tirade of accusations from the covid inquiry lawyer over johnson's alleged let it rip comments. the former pm insists these are exactly the debates you would expect the government to be having. is he right.

and tom, we've just learned break ing that the all important vote on this emergency, rwanda legislation will be next tuesday, tuesday, the 12th of december. >> well, that seems like rishi sunak has got a fairly clear message he's sending to suella braverman , sending to robert braverman, sending to robert jenrick over this legislation. he's saying , jenrick over this legislation. he's saying, see you jenrick over this legislation. he's saying , see you next he's saying, see you next tuesday . tuesday. >> he is indeed. but but rishi sunak, the prime minister, he is in a bit of a pickle, a bit of a precarious situation . he won't precarious situation. he won't be happy with the headlines overnight. revolt among the tory, right? revolt from all sides really, depending on how tough his action is, how tough this bill ends up being. and there's been all this discussion in terms of whether this is the full fat law or the semi—skimmed law. >> we're all viewing this in terms of a smorgasbord of varieties of milk. terms of a smorgasbord of varieties of milk . and the varieties of milk. and the question is where actually does this bill sit? it seems to be

halfway between the two of them. not all of the notwithstanding clauses that were demanded. but clearly mps will be reading this over the weekend and making their own up. their own minds up. >> who do you trust? >> and it's who do you trust? rishi sunak is insisting that this legislation will allow the policy to overrule the courts, overrule any foreign courts. however, suella braverman and robert jenrick say the exact opposite. so who do you trust? will it work? will this legislation stop the boats? >> crucially, what are those exemptions? we'll be digging into much more deeply after into this much more deeply after your sam . tom, your headlines with sam. tom, emily, thank you very much. >> good afternoon . it's three >> good afternoon. it's three minutes to 12:03. i'm sam francis in the newsroom. well, as we've been hearing, russia's federal security service , the federal security service, the fsb, has hacked high profile mps in what the government says was a sustained effort to meddle in british politics. the deputy prime minister says peers , civil prime minister says peers, civil servants, journalists and

non—government organisations have been targeted . id it's have been targeted. id it's understood politicians had their personal email accounts compromised and oliver dowden says the cyber attack is a clear pattern of behaviour by russia and those responsible will be held to account today in concert with our five eyes and euro—atlantic partners, i can tell you that a unit within the russian federal security service known as centre 18 has been behind sustained and hostile cyber operations plans aimed at interfering in parts of the uk's democratic process cases. >> this has included targeting members of parliament, civil servants , think tanks, servants, think tanks, journalist and ngos through a group commonly known as star blizzard . this group operated by blizzard. this group operated by fsb officers , has also fsb officers, has also selectively leaked and amplified information action designed to

undermine trust in politics. both in the united kingdom and in like minded states. >> the first vote on the new emergency rwanda legislation will be put to a vote in parliament on tuesday . the prime parliament on tuesday. the prime minister has defended the government's plan, describing it as the country's toughest anti—immigration law, which sunak acknowledged. some people are upset by the bill, but he says that it addresses concerns brought up by the supreme court. the prime minister insists the government will get asylum flights off the ground this bill blocks every single reason that has ever been used to prevent flights to rwanda from taking off as the rwandans themselves have made clear, if we go any further, the entire scheme will collapse. >> and there is no point having a bill with nowhere to send people to . but i am telling you people to. but i am telling you now we have set the bar so high that it will be vanishingly rare for anyone to meet it .

for anyone to meet it. >> well, in an exclusive interview, a source close to people smuggling operations across the channel told gb news that the government's rwanda policy has become the butt of jokes amongst migrants. we asked the prime minister if he's concerned his government's being laughed the proof is in the laughed at the proof is in the pudding, right? >> i'm not about i'm >> i'm not about talking. i'm about action. the numbers of people crossing from exactly where the uk are where you were to the uk are down third. they quadrupled down by a third. they quadrupled in the last few years and they're up everywhere so they're up everywhere else. so that tell me and that should tell you tell me and tell country that what we're tell the country that what we're doing is working. it is making a difference, we've got difference, but we've got to finish why finish the job. that's why this legislation important. legislation is so important. that's why we've worked so hard on absolutely confident on it. i'm absolutely confident that it's the right approach. it's toughest ever approach. it's the toughest ever approach. it's the toughest ever approach. it close the it will close down all the avenues that people used in avenues that people have used in the . and crucially, as i the past. and crucially, as i said, it is the only approach . said, it is the only approach. >> rishi sunak speaking earlier, bofis >> rishi sunak speaking earlier, boris johnson has told the covid inquiry that he denies ever wanting to let the virus rip up dunng wanting to let the virus rip up during the pandemic. nick it's after he was presented with

extracts from former chief scientific adviser sir patrick vallance diary. but the former prime minister says when the idea was discussed , it was idea was discussed, it was because he wanted to challenge the consensus. he told the inquiry his strategy was to save lives at all ages and that is what we did, he said. the inquiry has confirmed that rishi sunak will appear at the hearing on monday . well, hundreds of on monday. well, hundreds of campaigners have blocked access to a number of defence factories in the latest demonstrations against arms being sent to israel by the uk is places in israel by the uk is places in israel army, israel , the group israel army, israel, the group called workers for a free palestine , say that they've shut palestine, say that they've shut down access to force sites across the uk. in glasgow , across the uk. in glasgow, bournemouth, lancashire and in brighton . the factories produce brighton. the factories produce components for the f—35 fighter jet that's currently being used by the israeli military. it comes as israel says it's on a mission to kill the leader of hamas. troops are understood to

have surrounded his home in khan younis . elsewhere, trains to the younis. elsewhere, trains to the busiest airport in the uk have been disrupted as walkouts by train drivers continue . members train drivers continue. members of the aslef union have launched a programme of rolling strikes in their long running dispute over pay. drivers on crosscountry great western railway and the heathrow express are all affected. crosscountry which stretches from aberdeen down to penzance , will run no down to penzance, will run no trains at all today. down to penzance, will run no trains at all today . aslef has trains at all today. aslef has beenin trains at all today. aslef has been in more disputes for 18 months over a pay offer worth 8% over the last two years. next two years rather. this is gb news. we're across the uk on your tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. now though, more from tom and . emily >> well, rishi sunak faces revolt over his emergency legislation to stop the boats. in the last hour , the prime

in the last hour, the prime minister insisted the new bill will work and he will be able to overrule foreign courts . overrule foreign courts. >> the government has introduced the toughest anti—illegal immigration law ever. this bill blocks every single reason that has ever been used to prevent flights to rwanda from taking off as the rwandans themselves have made clear , if we go any have made clear, if we go any further, the entire scheme will collapse and there is no point having a bill with nowhere to send people to. but i am telling you now we have set the bar so high that it will be vanishingly rare for anyone to meet it . well rare for anyone to meet it. well this comes as the government is desperately trying to shore up support. >> last night in the wake of the publication of this very emergency legislation , emergency legislation, immigration minister robert jenrick resigned in a shock to blow rishi sunak's authority in jenrick's letter, which we just saw, he told the prime minister that the bill is doomed, declaring it does not go far enough and is a triumph of hope

over experience and just hours before that, former home secretary suella braverman launched a blistering attack in the commons on the government's failure to stop the boats . failure to stop the boats. >> do we fight for sovereignty or do we let our party die? now, i may not have always found the right words in the past, madam deputy speaker, i refuse to sit by and allow us to fail. >> well, it's a turbulent time in westminster, and it seems there's this growing rift in the conservative party. can the prime minister claw his party back together ? well, joining us back together? well, joining us now from downing street is gb news political editor christopher hope. and, christopher, you were at this sensational press conference earlier today. what did we learn ? well we learnt an impassioned defence of this rwanda bill. >> now he's taken a bit of pummelling. mr sunak over the past 12 hours with the

resignation of robert jenrick, the immigration minister , suella the immigration minister, suella bravermans personal statement about 12 hours ago in the house of commons. he came out fighting, saying that he's a child of immigrants. he he knows why people want to come here, but equally you can't offend against what is fair is not fair to arrive and bypass the existing systems. and we have come across in small boats from france. he says we want to france. and he says we want to do and tackle do more about that and tackle that. do more about that and tackle that . he said do more about that and tackle that. he said that this deal they've got , while some on the they've got, while some on the right are criticising it suella braverman robert jenrick , braverman now robert jenrick, he's saying that in fact we've gone to an inch of how far we could go to avoid collapsing the whole deal. and without this deal there is rwanda plan. deal there is no rwanda plan. and was saying the on and he was saying the vote on tuesday week . and what will tuesday next week. and what will labour do? well, know what labour do? well, we know what labour do? well, we know what labour are going labour do? well, we know what la vote are going labour do? well, we know what la vote against are going labour do? well, we know what la vote against and|re going labour do? well, we know what la vote against and the ioing to vote against it and the government clearly wants to drive labour and drive a wedge between labour and the on immigration. the tory party on immigration. they say, our plan they want to say, look, our plan is remove illegally arrived is to remove illegally arrived migrants from here and take them to rwanda for processing . so

to rwanda for processing. so what will labour do? well, labour don't have an answer at all on that and that's that's the kind movement trying all on that and that's that's th

facilitate those crossings this year . many of facilitate those crossings this year. many of them have facilitate those crossings this year . many of them have already year. many of them have already been charged. and they're going to end up going to jail right. people that have come illegally are having their accounts are having their bank accounts closed. them have been closed. 22,000 of them have been returned . and, by the way, and returned. and, by the way, and the europe , none of that the rest of europe, none of that is because numbers is happening because the numbers are up by 80% the are up. they're up by 80% in the mediterranean actually, mediterranean in so actually, what we're doing is making a difference. disrupting difference. we're disrupting criminal gangs upstream before they anywhere near calais they get anywhere near calais in they get anywhere near calais in the place. we're working the first place. we're working more closely with the french for the first time. we have british officers embedded their officers embedded in their patrols. i went and patrols. why? because i went and struck a good arrangement with the for reasons of the french. not for reasons of sentimentality, because it's in the national interest to the british national interest to have that cooperation on those beaches, to stop people coming . beaches, to stop people coming. and that cooperation is working. you would have seen of you would have seen pictures of some barriers were you would have seen pictures of some put barriers were you would have seen pictures of some put in barriers were you would have seen pictures of some put in riversrs were you would have seen pictures of some put in rivers on were you would have seen pictures of some put in rivers on the were you would have seen pictures of some put in rivers on the way being put in rivers on the way up to the beaches . that's come up to the beaches. that's come as a result of that cooperation stops getting there in stops people getting there in the place. and the proof the first place. and the proof is the pudding, right. i'm is in the pudding, right. i'm not talking. about not about talking. i'm about action. numbers of people action. the numbers of people crossing exactly where you action. the numbers of people cross toi exactly where you action. the numbers of people cross to the exactly where you action. the numbers of people cross to the uk xactly where you action. the numbers of people cross to the uk are ly where you action. the numbers of people crossto the uk are downzre you action. the numbers of people cross to the uk are down by you were to the uk are down by a third. they quadrupled in the

last few years and they're up everywhere should everywhere else. so that should tell tell and the tell you. tell me and tell the country what doing is country that what we're doing is working. it is making a difference, but we've got to finish that's why this finish the job. that's why this legislation is so important . legislation is so important. that's why we've worked so hard on i'm absolutely confident that's why we've worked so hard on it'sn absolutely confident that's why we've worked so hard on it's the»solutely confident that's why we've worked so hard on it's the rightely confident that's why we've worked so hard on it's the right approach.ent that it's the right approach. it's approach. it's the toughest ever approach. it's the toughest ever approach. it will close down all the avenues that people have used in the past and crucially, as the past and crucially, we as i said, is the approach . said, it is the only approach. >> interesting to hear rishi sunak's response there to your question, very much insisting that his policies already in place are working and that this bill will finish the job essentially. but it's very difficult for the public to well, to come to the conclusion that he wants , because rishi that he wants, because rishi sunak on the one hand, says that this emergency legislation will stop any of these legal challenges, stop the merry go round of legal challenges . his round of legal challenges. his own former immigration minister, robert jenrick, says that it's doomed to failure and suella braverman has said similar. who's to trust ? well the proof

who's to trust? well the proof will be in the pudding. >> emily lord sumption, a senior judge, has said today it will work on early on. gb news we had philip davis, a known right winger . he philip davis, a known right winger. he supporting it. philip davis, a known right winger. he supporting it . we may winger. he supporting it. we may not know if it works until , not know if it works until, frankly, it's too late really for any political benefit for the for the tory government before the next election. if they can't take any flights off until later spring, next year, it might be too, too late, but it might be too, too late, but it might be too, too late, but it might work. and then the government is putting all this effort behind it. we've had suella interviewed on suella braverman interviewed on the today for first the media today for the first time and she time in an interview, and she wants try and wants the government to try and change law as it goes change the law as it goes through parliament make it through to parliament make it to make a complete opt make it almost a complete opt out the with these with out on the echr with these with with migrants being sent to with migrants being sent back to rwanda. we'll that rwanda. so we'll see see if that works. crucial about works. the crucial thing about next is it won't be seen next tuesday is it won't be seen by the government as a confidence vote. now, what that means layman's terms mps means in layman's terms is mps who vote against it will not lose the party whip, and that was the risk we all thought it

might turn into a confidence vote. but the pm was asked that in that press conference earlier that i at. said no, that that i was at. he said no, that won't so the risk of the won't happen. so the risk of the government ing week government falls ing next week because loses. confidence because it loses. the confidence vote away . back to you. vote has gone away. back to you. >> well, chris, thank you so much for bringing us the very latest there. a lot of drama in westminster building up to this crescendo on tuesday. we'll follow every twist and turn of it. >> we will. now the government's rwanda policy has become the butt of jokes amongst channel migrants, a key source close to the people smuggling operations has told gb news. >> the source said the threat of sending migrants to the east african nation had not deterred people from trying to reach the uk . and they're continuing to uk. and they're continuing to arrive in northern france in even greater numbers. >> yes, in an exclusive interview, he told our homeland security editor mark white that it's the people smugglers themselves are responsible themselves who are responsible for the reduction in numbers crossing this year in order to increase demand on the boats and push up prices. so this is the

exact or contradicts at exact opposite or contradicts at least what rishi sunak just said, that it is his policies that have reduced the number of crossings. so who's right? let's listen mark white. listen to mark white. >> just days after french police cleared thousands of migrant s and tents from makeshift camps around calais. and here along the rail track south of dunkirk , the rail track south of dunkirk, they're back . this time much they're back. this time much further into the woodland, much people campsites far away from the spots. the police regularly raid . we've spoken to a key raid. we've spoken to a key contact who works in and around these camps and who has intimate knowledge of the people smuggling operations. he agreed to speak on the understanding we protect his identity. there are, he says, more people waiting to cross to the uk , both here and cross to the uk, both here and at local stations further inland than at any time since the small boat crisis began in and far

from deterring crossings, the uk government's rwanda plan is a source of great amusement in these camps. mentioned rwanda and the people here in the camps just laugh. >> it's become a bit of a joke. the threat hasn't put them off because no one here thinks for a second they're heading back to rwanda. they make it to rwanda. if they make it to the uk. >> adamant reason >> and he's adamant the reason the number crossing in small boats is a bit lower than last yearis boats is a bit lower than last year is down to the people smugglers themselves . who's smugglers themselves. who's controlling of small controlling the flow of small boat launches? drives up the pnces boat launches? drives up the prices and the gangs have become much more sophia participated in knowing when to launch . knowing when to launch. >> they've now linked into the met office data on weather patterns and tidal flows. if there's a weather window of a few hours, they know that. >> and he says they've even adopted the organised crime groups drug smuggling methodology where criminals will tip off authorities about one drugs mule to ensure others on the same route get through .

the same route get through. >> they'll send ten boats out, leak the location of 1 or 2. the french police seize them and everyone's happy. they tell the brits to stop in the boats on these beaches. meanwhile, a bulk of those are getting through near dunkirk. >> we filmed as this group of migrants boarded a bus to accommodation provided by the regional government further inland . but these migrants will inland. but these migrants will be back as soon as they get the nod from the smugglers that it's their turn to board a small boat . and you just need to head to the rail station in calais for evidence of more migrant arrivals . police on the arrivals. police on the platforms can do little to stop them . this group of young men them. this group of young men tell me they're from afghanistan , just off the train from belgium . they plan to camp belgium. they plan to camp around calais as they wait for their turn on a small boat. regional politician philippe emery is adamant that the

migrant crisis is worse now than it's ever been. and the regular police raids are simply theatre . police raids are simply theatre. >> it's only a policy of appearance to three four months. we clear the place and the migrants are coming, coming back again . for me, it's worse than again. for me, it's worse than ever. eve r. >> even >> and just like the migrants here, he's completely dismissive of the british government's rwanda scheme. >> i think rwanda is a joke. >> i think rwanda is a joke. >> it's a joke . >> it's a joke. >> it's a joke. >> only a joke, only a joke . >> only a joke, only a joke. >> only a joke, only a joke. >> with the winter weather, the frequency of launches from these beachesis frequency of launches from these beaches is reducing , but the beaches is reducing, but the numbers in the camps will continue to swell until the next set of police raids. part of the never ending cycle of uk bound migrants flowing through northern france . and you will northern france. and you will keep trying to get to london. >> london? yes, i go to london. >> london? yes, i go to london. >> in our next report . thought >> in our next report. thought the other route to the uk as

thousands of mainly african men who can't afford the price of a place on a boat risked their lives trying to clamber aboard lorries . mark white gb news lorries. mark white gb news calais . calais. >> well, our gb news home and security editor mark white joins us now for more. and mark, i suppose some people might say that , but is suppose some people might say that, but is it not suppose some people might say that , but is it not expected that, but is it not expected that, but is it not expected that there will be no deterrent effect? um till the rwanda deterrent is actually up and running? well it's certainly possible because i think when the policy was first announced by boris johnson, our contact said that yes, there was some concern about what this might mean for them . mean for them. >> but as the months now years have dragged on, it really has become the butt of jokes in the camps and actually no one takes it seriously at all. they don't believe there's any prospect of

them being sent to rwanda or if they are, that the numbers will be so small that actually for them it's still worth taking the risk. having come thousands of miles from countries far away to get to the uk in the first place. that's something they still want to continue doing now as well as, of course, rwanda for not having a deterrent effect . this claim by the prime effect. this claim by the prime minister that it is government policy that has led to a reduction of a third in the number of migrants crossing has also been debunked by this contact who says that actually it's down to the people smugglers themselves, that they're trying to control the numbers going across the channel because they want to increase demand and push up the prices . demand and push up the prices. >> well, mark white, thank you so much for bringing us that more from you throughout the program. of course . and this program. of course. and this extraordinary investing nation. fascinating to see what's actually going on there the actually going on there on the channel. actually going on there on the chayesl.

actually going on there on the chayes. actually going on there on the chayes . coming up, we'll have >> yes. coming up, we'll have the very latest the covid the very latest from the covid inquiry. johnson insists inquiry. boris johnson insists he wanted to let rip the he never wanted to let rip the virus, but we will discuss what types of debates were being had in government. more on that after this .

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johnson , is facing day two of johnson, is facing day two of his covid inquiry, grilling where he has said that the eat out to help out scheme was not seen as a gamble at the time and that he was perplexed at the suggestion that top scientists s were unaware of the scheme . were unaware of the scheme. >> meanwhile, he has said he was not reconciled to covid deaths or thought it wise to let it rip in the autumn of 2020. strongly rejecting the idea that he had backed such a strategy as the government grappled with rising covid cases in september 2020. but let's get the juicy bits now with gb news political correspondent olivia utley, who's outside the inquiry for us. >> us. >> and olivia, there have been some tetchy moments and back and forths. i'm interested particularly early about when hugo keith kc raised these sort of quotes from patrick vallance's diary . vallance's diary. >> well, absolutely. that was probably the touchiest moment, as you put it, from the prime minister to hugo, keith, kc

raised these these extracts from patrick vallance's diary where patrick vallance's diary where patrick vallance's diary where patrick vallance had written that the prime minister opened a meeting with a discussion that perhaps the virus should be just allowed to let rip and that some of the people who were dying of the virus, those in their 80s and 90s had and i quote, had a good innings. and 90s had and i quote, had a good innings . now at that point good innings. now at that point bofis good innings. now at that point boris johnson started huffing and and he said to hugo and puffing and he said to hugo keith that, yes, he had well, he he didn't deny using the phrase let it rip. but he said that at that point it was his duty to try and challenge the consensus . try and challenge the consensus. he said that his feelings weren't reconciled to fatalities across the country. and he did not believe that the virus should be allowed to let rip. but his duty push back but it was his duty to push back against some of the predictions that the scientists were making and to provide some sort of alternative proposition. that was the first at moment where it got a little bit tricky for bofis got a little bit tricky for boris johnson. there was then an in—depth discussion about that

second national lockdown and most importantly, the timing of that second national lockdown . that second national lockdown. as we know, if you can cast your minds back this far around september of 2020, it was clear from the data that the virus was making a bit of a resurgence, but at that moment, boris johnson chose not to act, chose not to impose another lockdown. there was , of course, advice there was, of course, advice being given at the time from from headteachers, from those in influential parts of the treasury , saying that obviously treasury, saying that obviously there are there are problems with imposing a full national lockdown. so in september , boris lockdown. so in september, boris johnson chose not to impose a lockdown . later on, he imposed lockdown. later on, he imposed those tiers where different parts of the country were assigned different tiers and were allowed different levels of freedom on how much freedom dependent on how much the virus circulating in the virus was circulating in that hugo keith that area. now, hugo keith argued that if that tier system had been brought in earlier , had been brought in earlier, then the second national lockdown in november 2020 could have been avoided . and boris

have been avoided. and boris johnson essentially said that hindsight is great. but at the time, his government did the very best that they could with the data. olivia what's your judgement on how boris johnson is coming across? >> yesterday he did appear quite calm , quite measured. he wasn't calm, quite measured. he wasn't there to throw anyone under the bus.soit there to throw anyone under the bus. so it seemed. how is he doing today? those tetchy moments ? is he perhaps coming moments? is he perhaps coming across a little more frustrated . across a little more frustrated. >> well, i think that the most important thing to say, perhaps, is that we are seeing a completely different side to bofis completely different side to boris johnson than pretty much anything we've ever seen before . anything we've ever seen before. he's usually one for flowery rhetoric, for theatrics. we are seeing none of that today. and we didn't see it yesterday ehhen we didn't see it yesterday either. we're seeing a sort of sorrowful boris johnson, a boris johnson with some grab guitars. i would say that he is pretty measured apart from those moments where you could see a little bit of tetchiness shining through . he is pushing forward through. he is pushing forward the case quite compellingly to

me that the argument that he had to put up a she had to sort of challenge the consensus when science wrists were urging for another lockdown , that he had to another lockdown, that he had to raise the possibility that it might be sensible to allow a few more older people to die instead of imposing a national lockdown with all of the problems that that would entail. the case that he made seemed to be quite compelling. it was a better performance today. i thought , performance today. i thought, than some of the performances that he gave during lockdown. it seems that hindsight for boris johnson to has been beneficial . johnson to has been beneficial. >> and olivia, just quickly , >> and olivia, just quickly, what do you make of how the covid lawyer, the covid inquiry lawyer, hugo keith, kc is interacting with boris johnson? doesit interacting with boris johnson? does it seem like it's a bit more of a persecution or does it seem like today he's actually wanting to understand the thoughts of this incredibly difficult balancing act that politicians undertook at that time .

time. >> well, it's very hard to say . >> well, it's very hard to say. it's a really interesting question, tom, because hugo keith is certainly a sort of on the attack. and it's hard to work out precisely to what extent that's simply his loyal way of speaking and to what extent it is a sort of he doesn't like the cut of boris johnson's jib, if you like. i would say that today, more than yesterday, it does seem as though hugo keith is trying to understand exactly what boris johnson's thoughts were at the time and is trying to sort of get a grip of the wider picture. there have been a couple of times, interestingly, when boris johnson has finished off keith's questions for him and there has been a lot less talking over each other from the pair of them, i think perhaps there might have been some sort of intervention from from lady hallett about that. the line of questioning from hugo keith is certainly very much more still about the exact timings of when national lockdowns were introduced. and there hasn't been very much discussion about the sort of broader issue of

whether repeated national lockdowns were the right strategy. given what we know in hindsight about the effects on some of the poorest children , some of the poorest children, for example, in society , there for example, in society, there was a little interlude , which i was a little interlude, which i thought was very interesting, where boris, where an extract was read out from patrick vallance's diary , where boris vallance's diary, where boris johnson had said that he wanted to see evidence , clear evidence to see evidence, clear evidence of the economic effects of a lockdown, and he wanted to see a proper cost benefit analysis. and at that point, hugo keith said perhaps one of the lessons that we should learn from this pandemic is that a cost benefit analysis would be good in the future, which i think will be music to the ears of some gb news viewers . news viewers. >> yes, indeed. thank you very much. utley gb news much. olivia utley gb news political reporter there outside the covid inquiry. it seems a bit quieter there outside than it was yesterday and also i forgot to ask the question that we've so many questions in we've had so many questions in our to ask. who are all our inbox to ask. who are all the people the there? the people in the room there? >> who they all who

>> well, who are they all who are? i think a lot of them are just this this just employed by this this £100 million but you million plus inquiry. but you know what? that's question for know what? that's a question for olivia. a reason stay olivia. that's a reason to stay watching afternoon watching here on. good afternoon , britain. coming up from , britain. but coming up from from russia with love we'll be getting all the very latest on the sustained hacking campaign that we're just learning about that we're just learning about that has been put on politicians, journalists and pubuc politicians, journalists and public facing figures revealed by oliver dowden earlier today. that's coming up after your headunes that's coming up after your headlines with sam . tom, emily, headlines with sam. tom, emily, thanks very much. >> it's 1233. thanks very much. >> it's1233. i'm thanks very much. >> it's 1233. i'm sam thanks very much. >> it's1233. i'm sam francis in the newsroom. russia's federal security service, the fsb , has security service, the fsb, has hacked high profile mps in what the government says was a sustained effort to interfere in british politics. the deputy prime minister says peers civil servants, journalists and non—governmental organisations have also been targeted and it's understood politicians had their

personal email accounts compromised . and oliver dowden compromised. and oliver dowden says the cyber attack is a clear pattern of behaviour by russia and that those responsible will be held to account today in concert with our five eyes and euroarts atlantic partners, i can tell you that a unit within the russian federal security service known as centre 18 has been behind sustained hostile cyber operations aimed at interfering in parts of the uk's democratic processes. >> this has included targeting members of parliament, recent civil servants and think tanks. journal ists civil servants and think tanks. journalists and ngos through a group commonly known as star blizzard . this group operated by blizzard. this group operated by fsb officers , has also fsb officers, has also selectively leaked and amplified information nation designed to undermine trust in politics,

both in the united kingdom and in like minded states. >> it's the first vote on the new emergency rwanda legislation will be put through parliament on tuesday. the prime minister will be put through parliament has defended the government's plan, described it as the country's toughest anti anti—immigration law. rishi sunak acknowledged some people are upset by the bill, but he says it addresses concerns brought up by the supreme court. the prime minister insists the government will get asylum flights the ground and boris flights off the ground and boris johnson has told the covid inquiry he denies ever wanting to let the virus rip during the pandemic. it's after he was presented with extracts from former chief scientific adviser sir patrick vallance diary, the former prime minister says when the idea was discussed , it was the idea was discussed, it was because he wanted to challenge the consensus . a coroner has the consensus. a coroner has concluded that an ofsted inspection likely contributed to the death of headteacher ruth perry. she took her own life after the education body downgraded her school in berkshire from outstanding to

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news is. good afternoon, britain now russia's federal security service known as the fsb , has service known as the fsb, has led a sustained hacking attack against british politician times, journalists and public facing figures. the government announced today victims who have been told but aren't at this stage being named include a large number of high profile politicians from multiple political parties as well. we can speak now with gb news reporter charlie peters , who can reporter charlie peters, who can tell us more. and charlie , how tell us more. and charlie, how long has the government known about this? >> well, it appears from the briefing this morning from the deputy prime minister oliver dowden, this has been a dowden, that this has been a years operation by moscow. years long operation by moscow. and earlier in the week , that and earlier in the week, that same minister told us that britain's critical national infrastructure was at risk due to cyber attacks. power cuts could happen. he urged us to be analogue in a digital age, stocking up on first aid kits, torches and candles. and now

this morning, torches and candles. and now this morning , this is an this morning, this is an announcement about a more targeted and personal approach by the fsb. that is moscow, sort of successor to the kgb. this organisation that said withinside has been leading a targeted and sustained hacking effort against those central to british democracy, including politician . these high profile politician. these high profile figures , ngos, think tanks and figures, ngos, think tanks and indeed journalists. now, as you said , all of the victims of this said, all of the victims of this targeted campaign have been personally contacted by the british security services and informed of what's been going on.and informed of what's been going on. and we also heard some information this morning from ministers about how that attack has been taking place. so false accounts have been used to gather information sent to email addresses. these are often called phishing attacks . and the called phishing attacks. and the information has been gathered by a group called centre 18. this is star loved by fsb

intelligence officers within moscow . and within that group moscow. and within that group there's also another unit that has been identified called star blizzard, foreign office minister leo docherty saying this morning that this group was responsible for previous attacks on think tanks in 2018, where the hacking of personal and private email accounts had been achieved. and therefore moscow is able to selectively leak damaging information, personal information that should not be information that should not be in the public domain. now after those statements from mr dowden and docherty, the shadow foreign secretary, david lammy, asked the government if it had a high degree of confidence that it knew the full extent of this sustained attack. mr docherty said that it had a high degree of confidence that it knew all it had to know about this situation, but the british state was remaining vigilant in the face of further attacks. and soon after that comment from mr docherty, a former senior military intelligence officer, phil ingram told me that the

real threat is coming down the line. that'll be the next general election, where insider attacks human intelligence operations and indeed sustained cyber attacks are going to be more likely inside the british state and british democracy . state and british democracy. >> thank you very much indeed. gb news reporter charlie peters . gb news reporter charlie peters. very worrying. it wasn't too long ago, only a few weeks ago, that we were talking about hostile agents from china infiltrating systems over here, not least via linkedin , fake not least via linkedin, fake profiles, getting a secrets from not only politicians , but also not only politicians, but also civil servants and industry. >> i only talk to people, you know, and people you trust. oh, well, let's return to our lead story now. the prime minister has described his new bill and treaty with rwanda as the toughest anti—illegal migration measures ever taken this as he laid out plans to crack down on people smuggling and it comes his government last night was rocked by immigration minister robert jenrick shock resignation

and suella braverman's personal statement to the house where she ended with a thunderous call for action on migration . action on migration. >> with now or never . >> with now or never. >> with now or never. >> well, joining us now is beunda >> well, joining us now is belinda de lucy, the former brexit party mep and now political commentator for and beunda political commentator for and belinda i suppose this is a big gamble for rishi sunak. we've been hearing on the one hand, people calling for the so—called full fat option , some people full fat option, some people calling for the skimmed milk option. i'm not. most analysis seems to think at this early stage this bill is somewhere in between. yeah it's somewhere in between. >> and even if it does pass, it still has to go through the house of lords. >> and as as we know, i don't think the house of lords has a majority of people in it that back titre risk frictions and controls on our borders . controls on our borders. >> as you know. i'd like to see what the archbishop of canterbury has to say when the bill lords. bill hits the lords. >> it won't be very >> i'm sure it won't be very positive . positive. >> i it is. it's a gamble >> i think it is. it's a gamble for rishi, but i'm sure what for rishi, but i'm not sure what he's at. he's got left at. >> party unmanageable >> his party seems unmanageable

at the moment. >> is so deeply divided over immigration. >> i think it's because a huge chunk of his party are actually very unmoved by the worries around mass immigration. and they they're the sort of liberal more one nation tories that have now seem to dominate the party. i think sunak had to mobilise a lot of the liberal wing of the party to help oust truss you know, from power and who knows how much control they have of the party. >> but rishi seems in in office but not massively in power because it does seem like it is just again tinkering and the finer details, you know , of the finer details, you know, of the rwanda plan is , is things like rwanda plan is, is things like an exchange program where we have to take back refugees from that are in rwanda in exchange for us sending over asylum seekers. you know, no number has been placed on on how many will have to receive in return. and if only about 200 leave anyway a year compared to the tens of thousands that come here. are we

sure that's going to be a deterrent if you've only got a tiny chance of going over to rwanda ? i'd probably still make rwanda? i'd probably still make the trip from from france. so much more needs to be done. and i think rishi is focusing on the wrong it's becoming this wrong thing. it's becoming this huge rwanda huge distraction. the rwanda plan. he's doing nothing to raise the bar of a asylum seekers being granted id refuge here. we accept three times the amount of asylum seekers france does , twice the average that eu does, twice the average that eu does, twice the average that eu does because we have such a lax , does because we have such a lax, weak system that allows pretty much anyone once they've stepped foot here to claim asylum, that needs to be rigorously tightened. and as suella said, to redefine what a refugee means instead of this vague umbrella term that sort of covers anyone just coming from a poorer country . but suella has been country. but suella has been ignored , and i think her speech ignored, and i think her speech in the parliament was brilliant. highlighting the case that these things were an option for rishi, and pretty much chosen to and he's pretty much chosen to delay or there's political delay or there's no political will for it. so i think the

pubuc will for it. so i think the public will see it as tinkering and even if it does pass, i'm not it save conservative. >> rishi sunak insists >> belinda rishi sunak insists that this legislation will stop what he calls the merry go round of legal challenges. robert jenrick said quite the opposite in his resignation letter, saying it does not go far enough and will not end that merry go round of legal challenges . so round of legal challenges. so for the average joe, it's very hard to know who to trust at this stage. when people within government are saying such different such different things. but ask you , why do but i want to ask you, why do you jenrick you think robert jenrick resigned? do you believe it is over this legislation ? or over this legislation? or perhaps he's on manoeuvres setting out his stall to become a conservative party leader next time around ? time around? >> well, look, i don't blame anyone for being cynical over the reasons . as you know, our the reasons. as you know, our politicians resign . but i do politicians resign. but i do think that this is on principle. i really do. i think that people there are mps, there are politicians who feel passionately about this country , passionately about this country, that it isn't just a shock for

the world to feed off, that it isn't just a land mass of buyers. sellers and cheap laboun buyers. sellers and cheap labour, that this this home of ours is deeply integrated, integrated into our bones , and integrated into our bones, and we want to protect it and we want to have community cohesion. and i do think robert jenrick i read letter and he, he read his letter and he, he points out something that i've been for years been banging on about for years is that he says it's it should be a government priority to put national interest. it's above deeply contested international treaties . and this is the point. treaties. and this is the point. the international treaties are outdated. they harm our country. they put our people at risk . they put our people at risk. they're a national security threat. they're a burden to the taxpayer. they need to be amended. and he's probably can tell that the tory party are never going to leave the echr under the current lot, and he needs make a stand. so do. needs to make a stand. so i do. ihave needs to make a stand. so i do. i have to say, i think i believe that he is the principled one. and after all, the conservative party as a whole , 2010, 2015, party as a whole, 2010, 2015, 2017 and 19 have all promised to reduce immigration. they've deceived us all time and time again. there's no reason to

believe them now . i'd rather believe them now. i'd rather believe them now. i'd rather believe them now. i'd rather believe the man that resigned. >> belinda de lucy , i >> well, belinda de lucy, i suppose have to wait and suppose we'll have to wait and see. tuesday see. not long now. it's tuesday that is this seismic vote that there is this seismic vote we learn. it will be a very we learn. so it will be a very exciting day in parliament, no doubt. >> and course, this is only doubt. >> start course, this is only doubt. >> start of :ourse, this is only doubt. >> start of it.rse, this is only doubt. >> start of it. itz, this is only doubt. >> start of it. it then; is only doubt. >> start of it. it then has)nly doubt. >> start of it. it then has toy the start of it. it then has to go through the lords. it then has to get through the courts and know, the, the, and then, you know, the, the, the clock is ticking. >> it has to get past the king. the who knows the king who knows who knows whether it royal whether he'll grant it royal assent. he will. the assent. i think he will. the clock ticking. de clock is ticking. belinda de lucy, very for lucy, thank you very much for talking us through that. >> of cash in the uk >> now the use of cash in the uk has the first time in has grown for the first time in ten years. >> yes, the british retail >> yes, as the british retail consortium reported, coins and banknotes now account for nearly a fifth of transactions last yean a fifth of transactions last year. that's with households attempting to track their spending . spending. >> this is very interesting because of course we had our save our cash don't kill cash campaign. joining us now is our economic and business editor liam halligan with on the money .

liam halligan with on the money. liam halligan with on the money. liam i suppose to some extent it's expected last year was one of was perhaps the first non non—covid year that we had clearly cash transactions dropped massively during covid. >> is this just a natural bounce back ? back? >>i back? >> i think it's a little bit more than that, tom. i think it's people wanting to use cash because they want to feel in control of their spending, particularly when they're on tight budgets . a lot of people tight budgets. a lot of people will put money aside for christmas and they'll tell themselves, i'm going to spend this on my family and my loved ones and i'm not going to spend any i don't want to any more because i don't want to get like have in get into debt like i have in patronising . that's just a patronising. that's just a report on how quite a lot of people run their lives. you know, such a high proportion of the british public don't have any savings to speak of, so they have to manage christmas very, very carefully. that's why you have things like christmas clubs and so on. let's have a look at

some of these numbers. this is a survey from the british retail consortium, and that's why we're talking of talking about this today. of course, very highly course, they're very highly respected. british retail respected. the british retail consortium reported that in 2022 there were 22.6 billion transactions on debit cards and cash was 6.3 billion transactions as and credit cards were another 4 billion or so cash was 19% of payments. in 2022, and that's up from 15% of payments as the previous year. now, as emily mentioned, we had our don't kill cash campaign here on gb news, where the government weighed in. the chancellor of the exchequer, jeremy hunt, backed what we were saying after myself and other gb news colleagues handed in a petition from gb news viewers and listeners . over a petition from gb news viewers and listeners. over a quarter of and listeners. over a quarter of a million of them saying that they wanted to make sure cash still stays with us, because a lot of people feel that the banks are deliberately restricting the use of cash.

it's very difficult now if you're a retailer to find a local bank to submit the cash. if you're a shopper, to use cash, some shops don't accept cash, some shops don't accept cash or, you know, try parking with cash. these days, you've got to download an app. it's really difficult . a lot of really difficult. a lot of people don't have smartphones . a people don't have smartphones. a lot of people find it very awkward and a lot of people find it difficult budget. banks awkward and a lot of people find it dif'torlt budget. banks awkward and a lot of people find it dif'to use budget. banks awkward and a lot of people find it dif'to use lessiget. banks awkward and a lot of people find it dif'to use less cash banks awkward and a lot of people find it dif'to use less cash because want to use less cash because there's less cash handling costs then and they can close down branches, fewer employees . branches, have fewer employees. so look, this is quite interesting . this isn't really interesting. this isn't really to do. we had this campaign i'm not saying our gb news campaign, however excellent has influenced these numbers particularly, but we were onto something we we were onto something when we highlighted the falling of highlighted the falling use of cash just five years ago. half of all transactions were cash and now we're saying that it's got up to from 15 to 19. so almost a fifth. there's only one direction of travel here. we're going to use less and less and less cash. but a lot of us here on gb news and elsewhere want

consumers to have the choice. they can use cash if they want to. that's the important thing. >> those statistics are are quite incredible, actually, just how far these things are, how quickly these things change. just want to get you on some breaking liam. you breaking news, liam. if you don't mind. government don't mind. the government has actually just announced that the tv licence fee is set to rise by £10.50. now, we thought perhaps it would rise by 15, but apparently this is in line with september . rate of inflation. september. rate of inflation. yeah so that will be hitting people in the pocket that will that's that's what 6.7% off the top of my head. >> so that's that's interesting that you know lucy fraser's the culture secretary has been suggesting this will happen rishi sunak himself has been suggesting this would happen . of suggesting this would happen. of course, the bbc will squeal that they're being unfairly treated . they're being unfairly treated. some of us, you know, i say this to my many friends in the bbc, you know, try living in the

commercial world and the real world. obviously, media budgets are being squeezed across the country. i personally want the bbc to survive and do well. i think we need the bbc, but i think we need the bbc, but i think the bbc needs to reform and i think the fact that it has to use less money means that it could be forced to reform. this is a populist move by the government. faith in the bbc, trust in the bbc. while it's still relatively high for a state broadcaster, has been diminishing. >> well, liam, i'm afraid we're going to have to leave it there, but thank you so much. and this is good afternoon. britain on gb news. plenty more in the next houn >> looks like things are heating up. boilers sport answers up. boxt boilers sport answers of weather on gb news is . hello of weather on gb news is. hello >> hello. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office it's going to be a very wet day for much of the uk. there are rain warnings in force, but it is starting to feel a little bit milder. that's because our winds are changing to a south southwesterly and

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gb news. >> good afternoon, britain . it >> good afternoon, britain. it is 1:00 on thursday, the 7th of december. coming up this afternoon. >> stop the boats in the wake of the migration ministers sensational resignation last night. rishi sunak has doubled down on his emergency legislation to stop the boats. he says he's willing to override the courts. but just how far does this law actually go ? and does this law actually go? and can he keep his party together? we'll speak to the deputy chairman of the conservative party for her. >> take britain under attack. british politicians , british politicians, journalists, ngos and public facing individuals have all been victim to a sophisticated series of cyber attacks from the russian state. just how many have been compromised ? have been compromised? >> forest battles . back after >> forest battles. back after a tirade of accusations from the covid inquiry lawyer over johnson's alleged let it rip comments. the former pm insists these are exactly the debates you'd expect the government to

be having. is he right. now? >> i understand, tom, that rishi sunak has already replaced his immigration minister. he has not just with one person, but with two people. >> yes, i suppose robert jenrick was just that compelling. a politician that his job could no longer be done by one person, no longer be done by one person, no longer do we have a migration minister. we've got one minister now for illegal immigration and a different for minister legal migration and delivery . so that migration and delivery. so that role has been split into two. >> well, this is such a huge area of policy that on the face of it , that would seem to make of it, that would seem to make sense . sense. >> yes, you'd think so. and also we did get the situation where robert jenrick would pop up and be interviewed he'd asked be interviewed and he'd be asked about migration and then he could easily answer about illegal migration, or be

illegal migration, or he'd be asked migration, asked about illegal migration, and answer about legal and he could answer about legal migration. these things are conflated , ed i think far too conflated, ed i think far too often are distinct often these are two distinct issues. so perhaps it is issues. so so perhaps it is beneficial and i suppose it does bode well for rishi sunak. that's one more minister on the government payroll , one more government payroll, one more person who has to vote with the government. otherwise they lose their . could it be that theirjobs. could it be that this is a that rishi sunak this is a way that rishi sunak will stop losing votes in the house? >> yes, but also, as we saw, sometimes like to sometimes our ministers like to resign. that's true at very important moments, twice the danger for him as well . well, danger for him as well. well, let's get your headlines with sam before we stuck into sam before we get stuck into that. >> tom, emily, thanks very much. good afternoon. it's 1:02. >> tom, emily, thanks very much. good afternoon. it's1:02. i'm sam francis in the newsroom. russia's federal security service says the fsb has hacked high profile mps in what the government says was a sustained effort to meddle in british politics. the deputy prime

minister says peers, civil servants , journalists and servants, journalists and non—governmental organisation russians have also been targeted . it's understood politicians had their personal email accounts compromised . ed oliver accounts compromised. ed oliver dowden says the cyber attack is a clear pattern of behaviour by russia and those accountable will be held to account today in concert with our five eyes and euro—atlantic partners, i can tell you that a unit within the russian federal security service known as centre 18 has been behind sustained hostile cyber operations aimed at interfering in parts of the uk's democratic pi'ocesses. >> processes. >> this has included targeting members of parliament, civil servants, think tanks , servants, think tanks, journalists and ngos as through a group commonly known as star blizzard . this group operated by blizzard. this group operated by fsb officers , has also

fsb officers, has also selectively leaked and amplified information designed to undermine trust in politics, both in the united kingdom and in like minded states. >> it's the first vote on the new emergency rwanda legislation will be put through parliament on tuesday . the prime will be put through parliament on tuesday. the prime minister has defended the government's plan, describing it as the country's toughest out anti—immigration law. rishi sunak acknowledged that some people are upset by the bill, but he says it addresses concerns brought up by the supreme court. the prime minister insists the government will asylum flights off the will get asylum flights off the ground bill blocks every ground this bill blocks every single reason that has ever been used to prevent flights to rwanda from taking off as the rwandans themselves have made clear, if we go any further, the entire scheme will collapse and there is no point having a bill with nowhere to send people to. >> but i am telling you now we have set the bar so high that it

will be vanishingly rare for anyone to meet it. >> well, in an exclusive interview, a source close to those people smuggling across the channel has told gb news that the government's rwanda policy has become the butt of jokes among migrants. policy has become the butt of jokes among migrants . we asked jokes among migrants. we asked the prime minister if he's concerned that government's concerned that his government's being at. being laughed at. >> the proof is in the pudding, right? talking. right? i'm not about talking. i'm about action. the numbers of people from exactly people crossing from exactly where to the uk are where you were to the uk are down by a third. they quadrupled in years and in the last few years and they're everywhere else. they're up everywhere else. so that tell you. me that should tell you. tell me and country that what and tell the country that what we're is working. it is we're doing is working. it is making a difference, but we've got the that's got to finish the job. that's why this legislation so why this legislation is so important . why this legislation is so important. that's why this legislation is so important . that's why we've important. that's why we've worked so hard on i'm worked so hard on it. i'm absolutely confident that it's the it's the the right approach. it's the toughest it will toughest ever approach. it will close all the avenues that close down all the avenues that people have the past and people have used in the past and crucially, as i said, it is the only approach . only approach. >> boris johnson has told the covid inquiry that he denies ever wanting to let the virus rip during the pandemic. it's

after he was presented with extracts from former chief scientific adviser sir patrick vallance diary, the former prime minister says when the idea was discussed , it was because he discussed, it was because he wanted to challenge the consensus. he told the inquiry his strategy was to save lives of all ages and that's what we did, he said. the inquiry confirmed that rishi sunak will appear at the hearing on monday. a coroner has concluded an ofsted inspection likely contributed to the death of a headteacher in redding. ruth perry took her own life after the education body downgraded her school in berkshire from outstanding to inadequate due to safeguarding concerns . staff safeguarding concerns. staff said she was tearful and incoherent after the inspection last october november rather, head teachers across the country have since been calling for a review on how ofsted operates . review on how ofsted operates. trains to the busiest airport in the uk have been disrupted as walkouts by train drivers continue. members of the aslef union are taking part in a

programme of strikes in a long running dispute over pay crosscountry three great western and heathrow express services are all affected . aslef has been are all affected. aslef has been in dispute for more than 18 months over a pay offer worth 8% over the next two years . a over the next two years. a review has been launched into the bbc licence fee, with the government's stepping in to ease future price rises . the culture future price rises. the culture secretary has confirmed the fee will increase to £169.50 next yean will increase to £169.50 next year. but it was due to rise in line with inflation. instead, it will be based on september's consumer price index, making it £20 cheaper than it would have been. £20 cheaper than it would have been . and british poet and been. and british poet and writer benjamin zephaniah has died at the age of 65 on a social media post, it was confirmed his wife was with him when he passed away . the when he passed away. the birmingham born poet described as was described as a true pioneer and innovator. he was diagnosed with a brain tumour eight weeks ago . this is gb news

eight weeks ago. this is gb news on your tv , in your car, on on your tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying, play gb news. now, though, back to tom and . emily >> now rishi sunak faces revolt over his emergency legislation to stop the boats. in the last houn to stop the boats. in the last hour, the prime minister insisted the new bill will work and he will be able to overrule foreign courts . foreign courts. >> his government has introduced the toughest anti—illegal immigration law ever. this bill blocks every single reason that has ever been used to prevent flights to rwanda from taking off as the rwandans themselves have made clear. if we go any further , the entire scheme will further, the entire scheme will collapse and there is no point in having a bill with nowhere to send people to. but i am telling you now we have set the bar so high that it will be vanishingly

rare for anyone to meet it . rare for anyone to meet it. >> well, this comes as the government is desperately trying to shore up support . last government is desperately trying to shore up support. last night in the wake of the publication of the emergency legislation, it immigration minister robert jenrick resign . ed, we can see jenrick resign. ed, we can see his resignation letter on this and now can't. but in a shock and now we can't. but in a shock blow to rishi sunak's authority. >> yes, in his letter he told the prime minister that the bill is doomed. he declared it does not go far enough and is a triumph of hope over experience and just hours before that, former home secretary suella braverman launched a blistering attack in the commons on the government's failure to stop the boats. >> do we fight for sovereignty or do we let our party die? now, i may not have always found the right words in the past, madam deputy speaker, i refuse to sit by and allow us to fail. >> well, it's a turbulent time in westminster, and today we learned that this is all being voted on. on tuesday day. well,

joining us now from downing street is gb news political editor christopher hope and christopher, tuesday is going to be an enormous day in migration politics as . politics as. >> that's right. well, in fact , >> that's right. well, in fact, the tory politics, tom, not just not not just migration policy , not not just migration policy, politics. and i think this is going to be a major moment for this tory government. they say they want to stop the boats. will the rwanda bill work now ? will the rwanda bill work now? we're going to hear from backbench tory mps right backbench tory mps on the right of party, the common sense of the party, the common sense group, european research group, the european research group of tory mps , the new group of tory mps, the new conservatives group. they're all the wingers. they've got the right wingers. they've got a bunch of lawyers calling bunch of lawyers they're calling the star chamber running their rule over that 12 page bill. and they're going to they've told us this lunchtime at gb news, they're report back they're going to report back before on tuesday next before the vote on tuesday next week. that verdict will week. and that that verdict will be really important to work out the scale of the rebellion of tory right wingers who think this is not stopping the boats , this is not stopping the boats, who agree almost with suella,

braverman and robert jenrick , braverman and robert jenrick, who resigned last night as immigration minister. so that response this , sir bill response from this, sir bill cash, this grandee , many cash, this grandee, many remember him from the brexit years . he's remember him from the brexit years. he's convened this group of lawyers called the star chamber to over line by chamber to look over at line by line. the right of the line. that's the right of the party. tom and emily. but on the left is also all left of the party is also all kicking off. there's rumours that one nation caucus of that the one nation caucus of tory mps, a much bigger grouping of 100 or so tory mps of around 100 or so tory mps against maybe 60 or 70 on the right. they they're unhappy right. they say they're unhappy with rishi sunak with remarks by rishi sunak earlier in his press conference when he came out and defended his bill and he, in his press conference about the reporting by our colleague mark white, who's been in calais , i said to who's been in calais, i said to said to the prime minister that we been in calais, prime minister to where migrants tell us that this policy in rwanda is a laughing they're laughing at it. are they right to laugh? i said to him, is your policy a joke? and is your government a laughing stock? this is what he had to say in reply . had to say in reply.

>> look at the results . so >> look at the results. so you've been over in calais. you've been over france. well, the number of people crossing from france to the uk this year is down by a third. right? that's the simple truth. we've arrested hundreds of people who have helped facilitate those crossings this year. many of them have already been charged. and they're going to end up going to jail. right. people that have come illegally are having accounts having their bank accounts closed. of them have closed. a 22,000 of them have been returned . and by the way, been returned. and by the way, and the rest of europe, none of that because that is happening because the numbers up. they're up by numbers are up. they're up by 80% in the mediterranean. so actually, is actually, what we're doing is making difference . we're making a difference. we're disrupting criminal gangs upstream before get upstream before they get anywhere calais in the anywhere near calais in the first place. we're more first place. we're working more closely french for the closely with the french for the first time. we have british officers embedded in their patrols. why? because as went patrols. why? because as i went and good arrangement and struck a good arrangement with not for reasons with the french, not for reasons of vanity, because of sentimental vanity, because it's the british national it's in the british national interest that interest to have that cooperation on those beaches, to stop people coming . and that stop people coming. and that cooperation . you cooperation is working. you would have seen pictures of some

of the barriers being of the barriers that were being put rivers on the way up to put in rivers on the way up to the beaches that's come as a result of that cooperate action stops, getting in result of that cooperate action st0jfirst getting in result of that cooperate action st0jfirst place. jetting in result of that cooperate action st0jfirst place. and g in result of that cooperate action st0jfirst place. and the in result of that cooperate action st0jfirst place. and the proof the first place. and the proof is pudding, right. i'm is in the pudding, right. i'm not talking. i'm about not about talking. i'm about action. numbers people action. the numbers of people crossing from where you crossing from exactly where you were uk are down by were to the uk are down by a third. they quadrupled in the last few years and they're up everywhere else. so that should tell tell me and the tell you, tell me and tell the country we're is country that what we're doing is working. it is making a difference, got difference, but we've got to finish job. that's this finish the job. that's why this legislation is so important . legislation is so important. that's why we worked so hard on it. i'm absolutely confident that right approach. that it's the right approach. it's toughest ever approach . it's the toughest ever approach. it's the toughest ever approach. it close all the it will close down all the avenues that people have in avenues that people have used in the past . and crucially, i the past. and crucially, as i said, it is the only approach . said, it is the only approach. the pm there. >> to give you an answer to our reporting from calais, where migrants are laughing at the governments rwanda policy. he earlier in his statement to prepared words, he talked about being a child of immigrants. but understanding the nature of british fair play. and it is not

fair that people can jump the queue to get into this country by paying money to cross the channel. that's not fair. by paying money to cross the channel. that's not fair . and channel. that's not fair. and this is his policy to get round and but whether and deal with it. but whether they're bill is going to they're under bill is going to work. government they work. the government says they are the flights will take are the first flights will take off with people arriving by illegally, by by, by boat in the spring. that's may next year. it's a very tight timetable . it's a very tight timetable. they want to get through the house of commons before christmas. house of lords is christmas. the house of lords is january, february, and just finally, emily, they january, february, and just finallis emily, they january, february, and just finallis a emily, they january, february, and just finallis a bigemily, they january, february, and just finallis a big number they january, february, and just finallis a big number of they january, february, and just finallis a big number of mps' want is a big number of mps voting next week. he made clear it's not a not a confidence vote in government, won't it's not a not a confidence vote in sacked,ernment, won't it's not a not a confidence vote in sacked, lose ant, won't it's not a not a confidence vote in sacked, lose their won't it's not a not a confidence vote in sacked, lose their whips won't it's not a not a confidence vote in sacked, lose their whips as n't be sacked, lose their whips as tory if they vote against. tory mps if they vote against. but they need a big number, a big chunky majority to stop the lords trying to weaken it because the lords is where the real battle is. the government has not got a majority in the lords and it must go through the house of lords before it can be enacted. the battle enacted. and that's the battle for but right now for the spring. but right now it's all about tuesday. back to you both. >> chris, thanks for that. >> well, chris, thanks for that. and final question on and just one final question on

to you, if i may. very quickly. if the star chamber of brexit backing backbench mps says that this does not go far enough , this does not go far enough, this does not go far enough, this is going to be very different compared to what they said over the windsor framework when the labour party was voting for that. anyway, there's a real chance that the government could lose this vote . lose this vote. >> yeah, tom, you're showing you can count counting is all about you have to basically count numbers when you're doing votes and you're absolutely right. now, if this star chamber comes back and says, this ain't going to change to work, prime minister, change it reverse it. and if it or we'll reverse it. and if as many as 2830 tory mps vote against it, the majority is gone . it's a complete embarrassment. and this crisis will get worse and worse this weekend is all about trying to arm, twist, persuade mps to back back. persuade mps to back this back. this rwanda bill all sorts this rwanda bill and all sorts of chats with whips will be going on closed doors. going on behind closed doors. back you. back to you. >> you very much indeed. >> thank you very much indeed. christopher political christopher hope, our political editor downing street .

editor outside downing street. so joining us now is rachel mclean , mp, deputy of mclean, mp, deputy chairman of the conservative party. rachel, thank you very much for your time. thank you forjoining us time. thank you for joining us on good afternoon. britain now, next tuesday , it's a massive day next tuesday, it's a massive day for the conservative party for rishi sunak and his premiership. if he doesn't, if this legislation does not get through the commons, does not pass, this is that game over for rishi sunak at this stage he has promised to stop the boats . promised to stop the boats. >> yes. and i think i very much hopeit >> yes. and i think i very much hope it does get through and it is right. i've been listening to your previous commentary. it is right that colleagues have time to scrutinise this because it's really important . really important. >> it's a very significant piece of legislation , action, and it of legislation, action, and it is a trust issue for the british public. >> they have elected us to sort this out. and the frustration in the country is palpable because they can see these people coming over on small boats illegally and abusing our generous hospital charity, attacking our

british sense of fair play. and they feel really angry about it. but we have to do it in the right way . now, we've tried by right way. now, we've tried by passing laws and doing things in the standard way. and unfortunately , it's been unfortunately, it's been frustrated in international courts by unelected bodies. and it is right that we now take stock of where we are and find something that can enable us to untangle this so that we can finally deliver on this vital pledge . pledge. >> mclean you talk about unelected bodies. stymying the government's progress, there is one unelect body that will definitely be a bit of a road bump in the passage of this legislation, and that's the other half of parliament. the upper house, the house of lords. how you be sure that a piece how can you be sure that a piece of legislation that some mps say might override side various courts would be accepted by a house, the house of lords, where only a third of its members are concerned . native concerned. native >> well, you're right to say the

house of lords are not elected and they should not frustrate the will of the british people. >> and by and large, they don't. if we actually are able to make the argument, it's if we have a legally robust instrument in front of us, of course they will want their chance to scrutinise it. but i am confident that the work has been done by the prime minister and his team and he has put in place a very impressive minister team now to steer this through. i know that they will be their full be giving this their full attention all those attention and testing all those arguments, but ultimately the british people need to see that it is the conservative party and only the conservative party that has a plan to tackle this . i has a plan to tackle this. i mean, we've seen a lot of things being frustrated the house of being frustrated in the house of lords, notably brexit, and lords, most notably brexit, and we how that ended. so we we saw how that ended. so we need to always remember who has put us here. people have put us here to sort this out and that is what we need to do. >> problem is why >> rachel the problem is why should we trust rishi sunak and the government? because we saw robert jenrick last night

robert jenrick only last night quit over this bill, arguing that it will not end the merry go round of legal challenges that we've seen, that have been acting as an obstacle to this policy. why is he wrong? and rishi sunak right? i'm really sorry. >> i didn't. >> i didn't. >> i've got a problem with the audio. would you mind just summarising that quickly? rachel >> i was i was asking. i hope you can hear me. i was asking. robert jenrick resigned last night this bill. he said it night over this bill. he said it did not go far enough to prevent the merry go round of legal challenges that have held up this so far . why is he this policy so far. why is he wrong and rishi sunak right? so >> so i have listened very carefully to what the prime minister has said and can i just pay minister has said and can i just pay tribute to robert jenrick, who has done a phenomenal job in a very difficult brief. he he has some of the work that he's done has delivered some very significant improvements on this issue of illegal immigration. we've already seen the small

boat crossings go down by a third. that's due to the work that he's done and some of the deals that he has struck. so, look, colleagues need to look at this look it very carefully. >> and that they are and >> and i know that they are and i've listened to what the prime minister and minister said, and i've obviously myself obviously familiarised myself with the treaty and the arguments and also the legislation . legislation. >> it is very tough. legislate an it is the toughest legislation that's been put forward to tackle this and ultimately it is the only solution. so i think for me, that's where we get to because if people are not happy with what's proposed, i mean, i always believe this in any walk of life, they really need to come forward with their own alternative and right now, no credible alternatives been alternative and right now, no crecforward. rnatives been alternative and right now, no crecforward. so tives been alternative and right now, no crecforward. so ives been alternative and right now, no crecforward. so i think been alternative and right now, no crecforward. so i think we been alternative and right now, no crecforward. so i think we don put forward. so i think we do need to get behind this and vote it through and have the argument with the labour party because, look, have come look, the labour party have come up nothing . there's some of up with nothing. there's some of the that said are the things that they've said are just talking to just platitudes about talking to the i mean, look, are the french. i mean, look, we are doing those if these doing all those things. if these things or even things were easy or even credible workable , we would credible or workable, we would have them .

have done them. >> rachel has the prime >> rachel why has the prime minister said that this is not a vote of confidence? if this legislation is so totemic , so legislation is so totemic, so important to this government's agenda to those famous five priorities, why why hasn't the government made it a vote of confidence . confidence. >> so i'm not i'm not sure why the debate has got to this place because these are matters for the prime minister and his team andifs the prime minister and his team and it's about confidence. of course it's about confidence in the government and what it delivers . and the british people delivers. and the british people will be looking at this and thinking, elected you to deal thinking, we elected you to deal with when the prime with this when the prime minister came into office, he set out his priorities and he said stabilise the said he would stabilise the economy. said he would economy. he he said he would deliver cuts . he said he deliver tax cuts. he said he would inflation he has would get inflation down. he has done all those things so people can he has got a track can see that he has got a track record of actually delivering what he was going to do. what he said he was going to do. now, some people now, he has stood some people might the debt is might argue that the debt is going some people might

going up and some people might argue that, yes , some taxes have argue that, yes, some taxes have been cut, but the overall burden is rising on. i'm sure is still rising on. i'm sure they will and i'm sure they do. but they can see the direction of travel. and we'd all like to cut taxes faster. and i very much hope as a low tax conservative, that we will see further cuts . but course, further tax cuts. but of course, you've about the you've got to think about the covid debt we are paying covid debt that we are paying off. know, need off. and, you know, we do need to a sensible balance to have a sensible balance on that the finances that and keep the finances steady . on issue of steady. but on this issue of immigration, it is a defining issue. it is one of the prime minister's priorities. and, you know, we were elected on that manifesto to get brexit done . manifesto to get brexit done. and of the major drivers of and one of the major drivers of that having control of our that is having control of our borders and every sovereign nafion borders and every sovereign nation has got a right to control its borders . and that is control its borders. and that is what people voted for. those sentiments haven't gone away. people still feel that . they people still feel that. they still feel absolutely furious about the whole issue of illegal migrants coming here, abusing the hospitality of the incredibly generous hospitality

that we extend to them. they feel absolutely furious about the constant merry go round of legal appeals on all sorts of special grounds and the treaty and the legislation that's been put forward will deal with a lot of that. now we know that the house of lords will oppose it. they're elected . they're you they're not elected. they're you know, really know, they don't really understand the strength of feeling. don't go feeling. they don't have to go out and talk to voters. we have to go out and to voters and to go out and talk to voters and account ourselves. that's account for ourselves. that's why so strongly why we all feel so strongly about it. >> w- w— >> well, thank you very much indeed time. rachel indeed for your time. rachel mcclean mp, deputy chairman of the really the conservative party, really appreciate thank you . appreciate it. thank you. >> it really does seem that this is sort of all of the eggs of the government are being put in this basket in this crucial piece of legislation . but as piece of legislation. but as christopher hope was saying at the beginning there, the star chamber, so—called , of the right chamber, so—called, of the right of the tory party won't be reporting on whether they think this legislation will do its job or not until tuesday day. >> and hang on, remind me, who makes up the star chamber. it is

the erg. >> it is the erg , the common >> it is the erg, the common sense conservative group and the common sense group of conservative mps . they have conservative mps. they have appointed of highly appointed a series of highly qualified lawyers to look at this stuff. the previous iterations of the star chamber were just the erg in the past. but obviously this isn't just a european issue. this is a wider. >> it does remind me of the brexit years . but of course one brexit years. but of course one of the is rishi sunak of the things is rishi sunak insists that he's bringing down the because the numbers because of his policy. we evidence to policy. yet we have evidence to gb news exclusive plea that there are many other reasons why this boat crossings this year those boat crossings have gone down a bit. well, lots more to come on this. have gone down a bit. well, lots mo coming ne on this. have gone down a bit. well, lots mo coming up,yn this. have gone down a bit. well, lots mo coming up, we'll;. have gone down a bit. well, lots mo coming up, we'll get the >> coming up, we'll get the latest from the covid inquiry, too, as boris johnson says, he never wanted rip never wanted to let rip the virus, but debates were virus, but these debates were raging much after this .

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about an alleged relationship between philip schofield and a runner. on this morning back in 2019. but was unable to uncover the relevant evidence until schofield's admission in late may 20th, 23. we'll bring you more as we get it. >> but in other news, boris johnson has said he was not reconciled to covid deaths or thought it wise to let it rip in the autumn of 2020, the former prime minister strongly rejected the idea during the second day of his covid grilling that he backed such a strategy as the government grappled with rising covid cases in september 2020, he conceded that the idea behind the phrase came up in discussions inside downing street as he pondered to how respond to an impending second wave. >> shall we speak with gb news political correspondent olivia utley, who is outside the inquiry for us. olivia seems to have started to rain. can you bnng have started to rain. can you bring us the latest from inside that room is very effective. >> yeah, the rooms, the covid

inquiry is just broken for lunch now. but before that happened, we were listening to evidence about the covid partygate scandal . now, boris johnson scandal. now, boris johnson sounded pretty tetchy when he was talking about this . he was was talking about this. he was being addressed by the lawyer who was representing the families of bereaved victims . families of bereaved victims. and boris johnson said that the partygate scandal was a million miles from what had appeared in the media. he said that he didn't recognise the characterisation that we've seen in the press for weeks now . he in the press for weeks now. he didn't recognise that at all. the reality was very, very different . that was one very different. that was one very tncky different. that was one very tricky moment for the former prime minister. another was when discussion was raised about the timing of the second national lock down. essentially hugo keith kc suggested that if the tier system had been brought into place earlier, then a second national lockdown, that one in november 2020 wouldn't have been required at all. boris johnson held firm to his belief

that the tier system he had to try it out. that's what he kept saying. he was of the belief that it could work and felt that it could work and he felt it responsibility to try it was his responsibility to try out that tiered system . and by out that tiered system. and by tiered system, i mean different parts having parts of the country having different levels of restrictions depending on the level of covid virus spreading in that area. bofis virus spreading in that area. boris johnson said he had to give that a try before imposing a full national lockdown with all the problems and difficulties that a policy like that entails , those were the that entails, those were the hardest moments. the other one, perhaps that's worth mentioning is the discussion about barnard castle. dominic cummings visit to barnard castle in may 2020. hugo keith pointed to polling that happened after boris johnson backed dominic cummings account of his trip to durham after he backed his adviser to the hilt. the polling suggested that confidence in the prime minister and his and his policies start sort of evaporating from that point onwards. and more importantly ,

onwards. and more importantly, that adherence to the national lockdown started ebbing away just after dominic cummings gave that speech in the rose garden in downing street. and boris johnson backed him. now, the former prime minister's defence, is that fatigue was setting in on lockdown anyway . and who on lockdown anyway. and who could possibly say whether it was his own actions that precipitated this , this lack of precipitated this, this lack of compliance or whether it was just a natural effect of the passage of time? those to me were the three most difficult moments for boris johnson. but all in all, he's holding his calm . he's talking plainly, he's calm. he's talking plainly, he's talking clearly, he's talking simply. it's a very different bofis simply. it's a very different boris johnson to the flowery rhetoric that we saw just a couple of years ago. >> well, olivia, thank you so much for bringing us that. and i just have to say this. i am astonished that this inquiry paused. astonished that this inquiry paused . is the forensic paused. is the forensic questioning from its own lawyer to give time , um, to this lawyer to give time, um, to this lawyer on behalf of a campaign group, a group that campaigns for

justice, a politicised group. this is an inquiry that is supposed to be finding how we should respond to a pandemic in the future, not an inquiry that's set out to find villains or retribution or quote unquote justice. why on earth is the point in relitigate dating partygate? how is that going to help us in the future ? how on help us in the future? how on earth is that going to help us respond to a future pandemic ? respond to a future pandemic? what a ridiculous waste this is. >> this is what people feared, that the inquiry would all be about catharsis anyway . coming about catharsis anyway. coming up, will nigel farage be crowned king of the jungle? we'll be asking our expert panel that exact question after news exact question after your news headunes exact question after your news headlines sam . tom, emily, headlines with sam. tom, emily, thanks very much. >> good afternoon. it's just gone. 133. the headlines this houn gone. 133. the headlines this hour. russia's federal security service, the fsb has hacked high profile mps in what the government says was a sustained effort to interfere in british

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thursdays from six till 930. >> good afternoon , britain now. >> good afternoon, britain now. ken rishi sunak survive the week. joining us to discuss that and some of the other big top stories today is the journalist and broadcaster ella whelan and the former labour mp simon danczuk . simon, let's start with danczuk. simon, let's start with you , rishi sunaks press you, rishi sunaks press conference this morning. is that a sign of desperation ? a sign of desperation? >> simon it's certainly on the ropes, isn't he? he's lost jenrick robert jenrick the immigration minister. suella bravermans speech in parliament is one of the best i've seen and watched the last 2030 years watched in the last 2030 years of observing politics. she really hit the nail on the head in terms of human rights and what the public feel about these issues . booths so it's certainly issues. booths so it's certainly on the ropes if he doesn't get this legislation right and he doesn't get it through efficiently , then he's got a efficiently, then he's got a major problem . major problem. >> ella how do you feel the prime minister is handling this rwanda policy ? do you think he's

rwanda policy? do you think he's likely to get the rebels on side? >> well, i mean, it's a policy that, as far as i can see, pleases no one apart from sunak and sort of the five people who are whispering in his ear. they're obviously the right of the party are ticked off about it and are leaving the more sort of cameron style . all of the of cameron style. all of the conservatives are probably wanting it to be not so hard and there's discussions about the echr going on in the background and all the rest of it. but in terms of sort of public engagement in this, i feel very depressed that a nuanced, complicated discussion about immigration we immigration in which we desperately boiled desperately need has boiled down to many you can get to how many people you can get on a flight to rwanda and the you even the rwanda you know, even if the rwanda policy works perfectly and everything goes smoothly as they suggested, practically it suggested, would practically it has really no effect on numbers . has really no effect on numbers. i mean, in terms of a deterrent, it's you would still take your chancesin it's you would still take your chances in an illegal migrant. the amount of people who are going to be deported . going to be deported. >> don't agree with that

>> and i don't agree with that at will be it at all. i think it will be it will act as a deterrent if you are being asked to pay £10,000 to over here there's a to come over here and there's a reasonable chance having reasonable chance that having arrived in arrived here, you'll end up in rwanda and i don't you'll rwanda and i don't think you'll pay rwanda and i don't think you'll pay you'll stay in the pay it and you'll stay in the numbers are of of numbers are sort of tens of thousands who thousands and the people who will rwanda are will be deported to rwanda are sort in the hundreds. sort of in the hundreds. >> so practically the >> so like practically the government there's cap. >> obviously a lot of >> there is obviously a lot of reporting and speculation that actually there aren't that many places. would places. but the government would contest point . i wonder if contest that point. i wonder if we park that conversation for now because there is a lot more to get through, not least what kemi badenoch the department of business and trade secretary was saying in the house of commons yesterday. it's caused quite a stir and i believe we've got a little clip to watch . little clip to watch. >> we are seeing , i would say, >> we are seeing, i would say, almost an epidemic of young gay children , young gay children children, young gay children being told that they are trans and being put on a medical pathway for irreversible decisions. and they are regretting it. that is what i'm doing for young lgbt children . i

doing for young lgbt children. i am making sure i am making sure that young people do not find themselves sterilised because they are being because they are being exploited by people who do not understand what these issues are . are. >> strong stuff from kemi badenoch . we know her to be like badenoch. we know her to be like that. we know her views on this subject. she ella. she described an epidemic of young gay children being told that they're transgender. >> well, i mean, she might be using strong words, but actually the, you know, the bones of her message is the most common sense, normal thing that i think most people have ever heard , most people have ever heard, which is that you should not take the word of children who are questioning their gender or, you , coming with all you know, coming up with all kinds things as gospel , which kinds of things as gospel, which is been happening in is what has been happening in the clinic. but also, the tavistock clinic. but also, you generally in schools you know, generally in schools and of other places, and lots of other places, is that comes along who's that a child comes along who's far too young to understand the implications even implications of what even socially transitioning means. never medical transitioning never mind medical transitioning comes along and says, i'm sally,

i to sam whatever, i want to be sam or whatever, and sort of clamours and everybody sort of clamours to say, okay, how can we facilitate and you know , facilitate that? and you know, that's, of quite that's, that's a sort of quite a terrifying prospect when you take into account people like keira who's an incredibly keira bell, who's an incredibly brave young woman who has been through a horrendous ordeal and been extremely mistreated and has come forward and hats off to kemi badenoch for being one of the few ministers who will talk to like keira bell to people like keira bell because it's this someone because it's and this is someone who had believed they were transgender. >> and then she >> and then and she detransitioned sort detransitioned and the sort of detransitioned and the sort of de transitioners, as they're called, are treated like they're treated like scum actually by a lot of politicians. >> they just don't go >> they just don't want to go there because they are an awkward of fact awkward reminder of the fact that a not all but lots of that lots a not all but lots of young people who make such a drastic early in their drastic decision early in their life regret it. and life come to regret it. and obviously kemi is hinting at the fact no. one. we often fact that it's no. one. we often talk about trans women and a lot of it's talked about men. most of it's talked about men. most of this for young for young people happening young people is happening with young girls and of what's girls. and a lot of what's happening is young girls who are

presumably are lesbians or a tomboy whatever are being tomboy or whatever are being sent down a route to medicalisation and eventually sterilised potentially through medical intervention . and it's medical intervention. and it's just it's just amazing that that is not sort of that doesn't shock people. >> some lgbt groups might >> well some lgbt groups might say the detransitioning say is that the detransitioning rate is less than 1. it's generally lower than the regret rate that you see from a lot of elective surgeries . elective surgeries. >> but the but that i think that doesn't mean that it's inconsequential. i mean, i think , you know, we can take a nuanced position in relation to gender identity . i think most gender identity. i think most people do, which is that like most things, when you become the age of an adult, age of consent, older and you can comprehend and you know what it means to have kids, what it means to have sex, all the of what it all the rest of it, what it means to understand your sexuality. that's a very different what we're different thing from what we're seeing, which is sort of year different thing from what we're seein12which is sort of year different thing from what we're seein12 year] is sort of year different thing from what we're seein 12 year olds,)rt of year different thing from what we're seein 12 year olds, even year olds, 12 year olds, even youngen olds, 12 year olds, even younger, coming these younger, coming up with these kind ideas. mean, if you kind of ideas. i mean, if you say a if say to a ten say to a if you say to a ten year now who wants to year old now who wants to transition, well, taking this kind mean

kind of medication might mean that you won't be able to have children you might not be children and you might not be able the same way able to have sex in the same way as were previously. well, as as you were previously. well, they're say, i don't they're going to say, i don't want don't to have want kids. i don't want to have sex they're ten. yeah. sex because they're ten. yeah. so a sort of so there's just a sort of there's about there's an idiocy here about this. there's an idiocy here about thisyeah. i'm interested >> yeah. simon, i'm interested in, in your view on this, i don't if you're dad don't know if you're a dad yourself, the big yourself, but one of the big contentious points of all this is what to do at schools because teachers are faced with pupils coming to them and saying, i'm actually a boy when they're biologically a girl or saying, you know, my parents allow me to be a boy at home. i can be a boy at school. very difficult when legally , legally, what's the legally, legally, what's the word? not gender ideology , but word? not gender ideology, but the opposite. you're allowed to have gender critical views as an individual . have gender critical views as an individual. so it's very difficult for teachers to be able to decide how to act . able to decide how to act. >> yeah, i'm a parent. i have four children and i'm just pleased that kemi badenoch is in power in place. i mean, it's

good news that she's saying what she is saying . you can't. she is saying. you can't. i completely agree with you, ali. you can't let children make such crucial decisions. and i actually believe at some stage in the future there will be inquiries as to the fact that we've let this is in effectively child abuse . we're letting we're child abuse. we're letting we're allowing children to be abused, medically abused , used. and i medically abused, used. and i think at some stage there will be inquiries into how and why we've let that happen. >> some people would argue >> the some people would argue that actually it's a very laborious process to onto laborious process to get onto the track to medical intervention . ella, what would intervention. ella, what would you say to that? >> well, it's true. i mean , if >> well, it's true. i mean, if you are a kid who is having mental health problems , which is mental health problems, which is what i would probably class it as you know, you're a deep sort of dissatisfaction with your life confused and you life and you're confused and you need talk to a professional. need to talk to a professional. you lists for you are on waiting lists for a very, very long time to to very, very long time to get to see someone. what of see someone. and what sort of has the gids has happened with the gids clinic and the tavistock previously? do you wait a very long time then once you see

long time and then once you see someone, it's sort of like bum bum, bum here the pills bum, bum bum, here are the pills . actual fact, if we got . and in actual fact, if we got better at having normal, what normal conversations. and i think conversations think in formal conversations with classes and at with kids in classes and at home, is that everybody home, which is that everybody just this just relaxed and said this is something don't something that you don't immediately have to affirm. you can talk this can, can talk about this and we can, you the conversion therapy you know, the conversion therapy bill that comes into bill and all that comes into this. also saying that kids this. but also saying that kids need better mental need to have better mental health care and an understanding that a lot of kids have that a lot of these kids have autism. lot of these kids have autism. a lot of these kids have ocd. all the rest of it. there's a whole range of going on ocd. all the rest of it. there's a ithe.e range of going on ocd. all the rest of it. there's a ithe.e range just going on ocd. all the rest of it. there's a ithe.e range ijust shouldn't] on in the solution just shouldn't only to affirm. only be to affirm. >> yes, spoke a young woman >> yes, i spoke to a young woman who's been diagnosed who's who hadn't been diagnosed with found out with autism and she found out later she'd gone quite far later and she'd gone quite far towards transition learning. she'd socially she'd been socially transitioning of transitioning and lots of pressure from her pressure to do so from her theatre groups other things . theatre groups and other things. there really is a pressure on some children, i think, to sort of is there box themselves that we much on the we focus too much on the edge cases the that regret cases and the people that regret it when are a lot of it when there are a lot of people do make the decision people who do make the decision to transition and some will say it genuinely saves but it genuinely saves them. but

this children we're talking this is children we're talking about . most of us are about adults. most of us are liberal in respect of . we liberal in respect of. we believe adults can make decisions for themselves long decisions for themselves as long as affect impact as they don't affect and impact others . but when it others negatively. but when it comes down to children , we must comes down to children, we must have care. but should have a duty of care. but should we move the jungle? because we move to the jungle? because nigel farage are very own in a gear change away from that. nigel farage gb news presenter has well, he's he's got a bit of air time recently actually , and air time recently actually, and he's been discussing brexit should we have a little look , am should we have a little look, am i right? >> and then can you actually don't sit in the houses of parliament or do you. no, no. >> i was in the european parliament 21 years. >> i'm out now. what's the job of in the european of being in the european parliament? were parliament? make laws. they were i we were members of i mean, when we were members of the they they helped to the eu, they they they helped to shape than british parliament. >> you like some of >> and you didn't like some of the were being made? the laws that were being made? >> way they >> i didn't like the way they were made. were being made. >> once something once >> well, once something once something the something had passed through the european system, european legislative system, there british there was nothing. the british parliament change there was nothing. the british painothing. change there was nothing. the british painothing. so change there was nothing. the british painothing. so were ange it. nothing. so what were the main concern in european laws that you were frightened of?

well, should make our well, i think we should make our own farming, fishing, own laws on farming, fishing, financial services . you know, financial services. you know, the industry . we the insurance industry. we should make our own laws on environmental law. we be environmental law. we should be in charge our own country. in charge of our own country. that's the point . once we're in that's the point. once we're in charge , it doesn't guarantee charge, it doesn't guarantee things are better. but it means we're charge now. the power we're in charge now. the power up, the wall. what? they've got it. they haven't used it that well. i agree , but. but. but we well. i agree, but. but. but we do have that power. >> the costs that we've incurred since leaving the european union is just astronaut . is just astronaut. >> well, i'm a savings, too. we've saved a lot of money, too. we're not seeing that. but that's the general people outside. we aren't seeing these savings. that's what people are about. savings. that's what people are about . so we were promised about. so we were promised x amount going to the nhs. i think it did , to be honest. but it's it did, to be honest. but it's a bottomless pit, i'm afraid. >> do you think things would bottomless pit, i'm afraid. >> [out)u think things would bottomless pit, i'm afraid. >> [out differentlyings would bottomless pit, i'm afraid. >> [out differently lf]s would bottomless pit, i'm afraid. >> [out differently if you ould turn out differently if you hadnt turn out differently if you hadn't have gone down the migrant no , i think migrant route or the no, i think not controlling your borders was the biggest reason we won. >> if we if we ever, you >> but if we if we ever, you know, is that changed or because this problem?

this is the problem? >> no, it hasn't. >> no, it hasn't. >> so why do they about >> so why do they feel about you then, european parliament? >> oh, if you take on the established, as did , you know established, as i did, you know they don't they don't exactly come out with a gin and tonics for you. >> it's like story time isn't it. >> it's a fascinating experience because some of these people in the jungle clearly have very strongly held political beliefs . strongly held political beliefs. >> for example, leaving the eu was wrong. they don't know was wrong. they don't even know what european parliament is. what the european parliament is. simon what's your reaction? >> i'm really pleased that nigel's finally been given more airtime and that there's a real chance have bit of politics chance to have a bit of politics brought to people that, you brought to people so that, you know, like those in the camp with him that they understand with him so that they understand politics better and understand why the why he was campaigning in the way so i'm celebrating way he did. so i'm celebrating the fact that he's been given a bit airtime. bit more airtime. >> he he was honest >> also, he was he was honest there the that there about the fact that controlling borders, immigration was the biggest reason was probably the biggest reason why won . brexit why won. brexit >> yeah, i mean, i would maybe contest that, there's contest that, but there's i think it's interesting that this the difficulty of a brexit

debate right now is that even brexiteers like myself have to contend with the fact that everything is rubbish . nothing everything is rubbish. nothing works in this country. there has been no brexit gains, there has been no brexit gains, there has been no brexit gains, there has been no control of borders, there's been blah blah, blah. the nhs is failing things are bad and you have to be able to try and unpick why that isn't all of brexit's fault. and i think that was actually a really interesting little snippet of conversation by saying, you know, you to get know, the thing you have to get people understand just know, the thing you have to get people the|derstand just know, the thing you have to get people the british|d just because the british establishment now in control, establishment is now in control, that's a that's good. but that's a step that's good. but that's a step that's good. but that doesn't mean that life becomes perfect because obviously there are lots of problems british establishment. >> like the old tony benn >> it was like the old tony benn argument . and of course, he argument. and of course, he sadly before the sadly passed away before the referendum. used say referendum. but he used to say when he was challenged, oh, if the eu was gone, you wouldn't have of social have all of these social protections. could protections. it could be the evil tories charge. he evil tories in charge. and he would say, would rather have would say, i would rather have a bad parliament than a good king. and i suppose it's that argument about democratic accountability. if you think things are rubbish now, at least you can vote the

guys out. >> exactly. and also , i mean, >> exactly. and also, i mean, i think also there tends think there's also there tends to be a level of misanthropy at the of that argument that the basis of that argument that if leaves us, we'll all if the eu leaves us, we'll all going end up what with child going to end up what with child labour and women, you know, shackled there's shackled to the kitchen. there's actually, i think that the way in has moved on in in which society has moved on in a progressive direction, which it ways hasn't been it has in many ways hasn't been because the eu has told us to. but because for a complex series of reasons , societies progress of reasons, societies progress towards more enlightened ideas . towards more enlightened ideas. so to give us some credit, you know , it's not just eu are you know, it's not just eu are you telling me that we are doing the equal pay act in the uk? >> was nothing to do with jean—claude juncker and it was actually barbara castle. i am shocked. >> i heard it was ursula von der leyen and actually just very quickly, haven't got long. do quickly, we haven't got long. do you think the farage could win it? >> i hope so. i've started voting for him. never voting for him. i've never had anything this anything to do with this programme before. i've downloaded the and been downloaded the app and i've been voting a day. voting five times a day. goodness to him in there. goodness to keep him in there. and an ex—labour mp, so who knows? >> it's funny. in the telegraph

they say that why they say that the reason why he's getting air time he's not getting enough air time is he's just pretty is because he's just pretty bonng is because he's just pretty boring by that means of boring and by that means sort of a not into the a normal. he's not into the drama. doesn't have a drama. he doesn't have a favourite a political drama. he doesn't have a favouritand a political drama. he doesn't have a favouritand maybe a political drama. he doesn't have a favouritand maybe he political drama. he doesn't have a favouritand maybe he needsil drama. he doesn't have a favouritand maybe he needs to animal and maybe he needs to liven it up a bit in order to maybe talking the european maybe talking about the european parliament of parliament isn't the sort of sexiest topic to late sexiest topic to have at late night tv on itv1 well, we should say can for nigel say that you can vote for nigel farage to keep in the jungle. >> you can download their app or you online and all you can do it online and all sorts of different think you can do it online and all sort can different think you can do it online and all sort can differphone think you can do it online and all sort can differphone them hink you can do it online and all sort can differphone them to k you can do it online and all sort can differphone them to vote you can even phone them to vote for him and you can scan this qr code if you want to nigel code if you want to make nigel king of the jungle, but so much more back on. >> afternoon britain. we'll >> good afternoon britain. we'll be with you after this . be back with you after this. >> looks like things are heating up. boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello. welcome to the latest gb news weather update from the met office heavy rain will continue for many of us through the afternoon with surface water potentially a problem, but it will turn drier from the west . will turn drier from the west. that says this area of low

pressure pushes this weather front eastwards and behind it things will clear for a time before another unsettled day on friday. so weather warnings still in force through into the evening. staying with sticking with the heavy rain across northeast and scotland, a drier interlude for a time from the west that could develop some mist and fog and low cloud across eastern coasts and that means it will be a much milder night than last night will be frost free across the country. could be as high as ten degrees to on friday morning, but to start on friday morning, but it will be another unsettled day through showers will through friday. showers will rattle in from the west, putting xl bully across northwestern areas and then into the southwest later on in the afternoon. while there could be afternoon. while there could be a of thunderstorms with a risk of thunderstorms with that as well. so quite a lot of rain to come still in the west. in east, day with a in the east, a drier day with a bit sunshine around bit more sunshine around temperatures around 10 11 temperatures around 10 or 11 degrees. will be a breezy degrees. but it will be a breezy afternoon wherever you are on friday afternoon . then on friday afternoon. then on saturday, we see the next area of rain push in and sweep across

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well. good afternoon, britain. >> it's 2:00 on thursday, the 7th of december. and coming up this afternoon , stop the boats this afternoon, stop the boats in the wake of the immigration minister's sensational resignation last night, rishi sunak has doubled down on his emergency legislation to stop the boats. >> he says he is willing to override the courts, but will his law go far enough? and can he crucially keep his party together ? together? >> itv made considerable efforts to find out the truth about an alleged relation between phillip schofield and a runner on this morning. in 2019. but were unable to uncover relevant evidence that until schofield admission in late may 20th, 23. that's what an external review has found. we'll bring you the very latest on this unfolding scandal. >> boris battles back after a tirade of accusations from the covid inquiry lawyer over johnson's alleged let it rip comments. the former prime

minister insists these are exactly the debates you would expect the government to be having . is he expect the government to be having. is he right. and we've just heard from the government that the bbc licence fee will be rising next year by £10 and £0.50. >> now that's less than people feared . that's not the 15% feared. that's not the 15% increase that that could have taken place . it's actually only taken place. it's actually only a 6.7% increase, although i say only, i mean that that is still a 6.7% increase at a time when inflation is below that. yeah. >> so that's. yes 6.7. that relates to the september inflation figure. so so another £10 onto your licence fee. does that mean that next year there could be another £10 and the next year another £10? it's racking up , it's not cheap any

racking up, it's not cheap any more. can you let us let us know at home what you make of this rise ? does the bbc deserve rise? does the bbc deserve warrant this rise in the licence fee cost ? do you think that the fee cost? do you think that the licence fee is past its use by date ? date? >> so this is the interesting thing. are there other ways in which the bbc could raise money if they wanted to expand their user base? could they move to some sort of subscription system? could they monetise their global brand? does it have to be again, raising and raising this tax gbviews@gbnews.com? >> yes. let us know what you think, but let's get to the headunes think, but let's get to the headlines with sam . tom, emily, headlines with sam. tom, emily, thanks very much. >> good afternoon . it's 2:02. >> good afternoon. it's 2:02. i'm sam francis in the gb newsroom . our top story this newsroom. our top story this houn newsroom. our top story this hour, russia's federal security service, the fsb , has hacked service, the fsb, has hacked high profile mps in what the government says was a sustained effort to interfere in british politics. the deputy prime

minister says peers, civil servants , journalists and servants, journalists and non—governmental organisation russians have also been targeted . it's understood politicians had their personal email accounts compromised and oliver dowden says the cyber attack is a clear pattern of behaviour by russia and that those responsible will be held to account today in concert with our five eyes and euro atlantic partners , i can tell you that partners, i can tell you that a unit within the russian federal security service known as centre 18 has been behind sustained hostile cyber operations , is hostile cyber operations, is aimed at interfering in parts of the uk's democratic processes. >> this has included targeting members of parliament, civil servants, think tanks , servants, think tanks, journalists and ngos as through a group commonly known as star blizzard . this group operated by blizzard. this group operated by fsb officers , has also fsb officers, has also selectively leaked and amplified

information designed to undermine trust in politics, both in the united kingdom and in like minded states. >> the first vote on the new emergency rwanda legislation will be put through parliament on tuesday. the prime minister has defended the government's plan, describing it as the country's toughest anti—immigration law. rishi sunak acknowledged that some people are upset by the bill, but he says it does address concerns brought up by the supreme court. the prime minister insists the government will get flights off the ground . will get flights off the ground. >> this bill blocks every single reason that has ever been used to prevent flights to rwanda from taking off as the rwandans themselves have made clear, if we go any further, the entire scheme will collapse and there is no point having a bill with nowhere to send people to. but i am telling you now we have set the bar so high that it will be

vanishingly rare for anyone to meet it. >> well , in an exclusive >> well, in an exclusive interview, a source close to those smuggling people across the channel has told gb news that the government's rwanda policy has become the butt of jokes among migrants. policy has become the butt of jokes among migrants . we asked jokes among migrants. we asked the prime minister if he's concerned that his government's being laughed at. >> the proof is in the pudding. right? talking. right? i'm not about talking. i'm action. numbers of i'm about action. the numbers of people exactly people crossing from exactly where you to the uk are where you were to the uk are down by third. they quadrupled down by a third. they quadrupled in last few years and in the last few years and they're up everywhere else. so that you, tell me that should tell you, tell me and what and tell the country that what we're is working. it is we're doing is working. it is making a difference, we've making a difference, but we've got finish job. that's got to finish the job. that's why legislation is so why this legislation is so important . why this legislation is so important. that's why this legislation is so important . that's why we've important. that's why we've worked it. i'm worked so hard on it. i'm absolutely confident that it's the it's the the right approach. it's the toughest approach. it will toughest ever approach. it will close the avenues that close down all the avenues that people have used in the past. and crucially, said, it is and crucially, as i said, it is the only approach an external review has found that itv made considerable efforts to uncover the truth about an alleged relationship in involve moving

phillip schofield . phillip schofield. >> the paper says the broadcaster was aware of rumours circulating in 2019 but was unable to uncover for what it's called relative relevant evidence until the tv presenter made an admission in may last year , the report author year, the report author interviewed 48 people for the review, but, says phillip schofield reluctantly declined to take part because of the risk to take part because of the risk to his health. by boris johnson has told the covid inquiry he denies ever wanting to let the virus rip during the pandemic. it's after he was presented with extracts from former chief scientific adviser sir patrick vallance diary, the former prime minister says when the idea was discussed , it was because he discussed, it was because he wanted to challenge the consensus. he told the inquiry his strategy was to save lives of all ages and that this is what we did, he said. of all ages and that this is what we did, he said . the what we did, he said. the inquiry has confirmed rishi sunak will appear at the hearing on monday . a coroner has on monday. a coroner has concluded an ofsted inspection likely contributed to the death

of a head teacher in redding . of a head teacher in redding. ruth perry took her own life . ruth perry took her own life. the after the education body downgraded her school in berkshire from outstanding to inadequate due to safeguarding concerns. staff said she was tearful and incoherent after the inspection last november. her family says urgent lessons must be learnt, but that they have no confidence that the watchdog will make the reforms that are needed. will make the reforms that are needed . the bbc licence fee is needed. the bbc licence fee is increasing to £169.50 next year. it follows a two year price freeze. it was due to rise in line with inflation, but it will instead rise based on september's consumer prices index , making it £20 cheaper index, making it £20 cheaper than it would have been the culture secretary says a review into the licence fee model has been launched to help ease future price rises . british poet future price rises. british poet and writer benjamin zephaniah has died at the age of 65 on a social media post, it was confirmed that his wife was with him when he passed away . the

him when he passed away. the birmingham born poet described as a true pioneer and innovator , as a true pioneer and innovator, was diagnosed with brain tumour eight weeks ago . this is gb news eight weeks ago. this is gb news across the uk on your tv, in your car and digital radio and on your smart speaker. for now, though, more from tom and . though, more from tom and. emily >> well. rishi sunak faces revolt over his emergency legislation to stop the boats. in the last hour, the prime minister insisted the new bill will work and he will be able to overrule foreign courts . overrule foreign courts. >> the government has introduced the toughest anti—illegal immigration law ever. this bill blocks every single reason that has ever been used to prevent flights to rwanda from taking off as the rwandans themselves have made clear , if we go any have made clear, if we go any further, the entire scheme will

collapse and there is no point having a bill with nowhere to send people to. but i am telling you now we have set the bar so high that it will be vanishingly rare for anyone to meet it . rare for anyone to meet it. >> well, this comes as the government is desperately trying to shore up support. last night in the wake of the publication of this emergency legislation, immigration find in a shock blow to rishi sunaks authority in jenrick's letter , he told the jenrick's letter, he told the prime minister that the bill is doomed. >> he declared it does not go far enough and it's a triumph of hope over experience . and just hope over experience. and just hours before that, former home secretary suella braverman launched a blistering attack in the comments on the government's failure to stop the boats. do we fight for sovereignty or do we let our party die ? let our party die? >> by now , i may not have always >> by now, i may not have always found the right words in the past. madam deputy speaker, i refuse to sit by and allow us to

fail . well it's a turbulent time fail. well it's a turbulent time in westminster , and everything's in westminster, and everything's geanng in westminster, and everything's gearing up for this parliamentary showdown on tuesday. >> to tell us more is our political editor christopher hope, joining us live from downing street. christopher what exactly is in play on tuesday and what are the risks for the prime minister. >> the risks are big. now. the pm was asked in that press conference earlier where i was attending for gb news us is the vote on tuesday on the rwanda bill a vote of confidence in the government and he said no . now government and he said no. now why did he say no? because he knows if it makes it a vote of confidence like a budget, if you vote, if you as an mp, if you vote, if you as an mp, if you vote against you lose the vote against that, you lose the whip that might see whip and that might see his majority completely. whip and that might see his maj(also completely. whip and that might see his maj(also he completely. whip and that might see his maj(also he may completely. whip and that might see his maj(also he may c

asking them will you support us on tuesday ? and it's not going on tuesday? and it's not going very well . a source has been very well. a source has been sending me whatsapps about how it's are pretty it's going and they are pretty unimpressed by what is being said to them. one one source says it's not looking good if the star chamber goes south, they're in real bother. now the star chamber is a bunch of lawyers appointed by right wing tory mps to look at this rwanda bill and see if it will work, see if it will actually result in migrants being taken from the uk to be to be processed in rwanda . so the right are rwanda. so the right are unhappy. the left are also not happyin unhappy. the left are also not happy in the tory party. the one nafion happy in the tory party. the one nation group of the caucus of about 100 tory mps against 60 on the right. they're due to give their verdict on this bill by saturday. will bring the news first on gb news. so what these mps say, these tory mps say, is really important because unlike in previous votes, labour will, will, will certainly vote against the rwanda bill on tuesday, which means if more

than 30 or so tory mps join them, the bill falls and that will be an absolute crisis for the government. by far the biggest crisis of this prime minister's short time in office. now of course, we've been seeing all day on gb news. there's excellent reporting from my colleague mark white in a camp in calais. and earlier i asked the pm about what white mr white, mark white had been told by those migrants . let's hear by those migrants. let's hear what the pm had to say to my question. in calais, prime minister, where migrants have told us that they are laughing at the uk and its rwandan policy . are they right to laugh ? is . are they right to laugh? is your policy a joke and your government a laughing stock on this matter? can i quickly ask second one? there's reports today in the house of commons that were hacked that uk politicians were hacked by , the fsb. were you by russia, the fsb. were you hacked by the fsb ? hacked by the fsb? >> so on on the second one, there are a range of protections that both parliamentarians and ministers have and advice that they follow, and they get support the national cyber support from the national cyber centre on all those things. and

i'm confident the i'm pretty confident in the protections have. on your protections that i have. on your first question on look at the results . yes. so you've been results. yes. so you've been overin results. yes. so you've been over in calais , you've been over over in calais, you've been over france. well, the number of people crossing from france to the uk this year is down by a third. right. that's the simple truth. we've arrested hundreds of people who have helped facilitate those crossings this yean facilitate those crossings this year. many of them have already been charged. and they're going to end up going to jail. right. people that have illegally people that have come illegally are their accounts are having their bank accounts closed. 22,000 of them have been returned . and by the way, in the returned. and by the way, in the rest of none that is rest of europe, none of that is happening numbers happening because the numbers are up. they're up by 80% in the mediterranean. actually, mediterranean. so actually, what we're doing is making a difference . we're disrupting difference. we're disrupting criminal upstream before criminal gangs upstream before they get anywhere near calais in they get anywhere near calais in the place. working the first place. we're working more the french for more closely with the french for the first time. we have british officers embedded in their patrols. because i went and patrols. why? because i went and struck a good arrangement with the not for reasons of the french. not for reasons of sentimentality, because it's in the national interest to the british national interest to have cooperation on those have that cooperation on those

beaches, to stop people coming . beaches, to stop people coming. and that cooperation is working. you have pictures of you would have seen pictures of some the barriers that were some of the barriers that were being put in rivers on the way up beaches. that's come up to the beaches. that's come as result that cooperation as a result of that cooperation stops getting there in stops people getting there in the first place. and the proof is right. i'm is in the pudding, right. i'm not i'm about not about talking. i'm about action. the numbers of people crossing exactly where you crossing from exactly where you were uk down were to the uk are down by a third. they quadrupled in the last few years and they're up everywhere should everywhere else. so that should tell tell me and the tell you. tell me and tell the country doing is country that what we're doing is working. it is making a difference, but we've to difference, but we've got to finish the job. that's why this legislation important . legislation is so important. that's why we've worked so hard on i'm absolutely confident that's why we've worked so hard on it'sn absolutely confident that's why we've worked so hard on it's theysolutely confident that's why we've worked so hard on it's the rightely confident that's why we've worked so hard on it's the right approach.ent that it's the right approach. it's the toughest approach. it's the toughest ever approach. it's the toughest ever approach. it down all the it will close down all the avenues that people have used in the and crucially , as the past and crucially, as i said, it is the only approach rishi sunak very much insisting that it rishi sunak very much insisting thatitis rishi sunak very much insisting that it is his policies, his government's policies that have brought those numbers down. >> sources in calais telling mark white that there are many other factors , not least the other factors, not least the people smugglers themselves trying more

trying to well, create more demand and therefore higher pnces. demand and therefore higher prices . eyes demand and therefore higher prices. eyes on demand and therefore higher prices . eyes on these boats . so prices. eyes on these boats. so there's many reasons why those numbers might have come down. but rishi sunak should really win this vote. he's got a notional majority of 56 in terms of conservative mps. he should win this vote . what happens if win this vote. what happens if he doesn't . he doesn't. >> well, yeah, he should notionally win it, but 56 halved. you know, is 2028. so 2830 mp5 halved. you know, is 2028. so 2830 mps vote against it from the tory side they're in trouble. they've got to rethink their rwanda plan. it puts the treaty in some under some pressure unless they can tweak it, but they can't tweak the legislation and further than it, but they can't tweak the legitreaty| and further than it, but they can't tweak the legitreaty agreed further than it, but they can't tweak the legitreaty agreed with:her than it, but they can't tweak the legitreaty agreed with rwanda| it, but they can't tweak the legitreaty agreed with rwanda . the treaty agreed with rwanda. and the pm very clear in and the pm was very clear in that press this that press conference this morning we've gone within morning that we've gone within an of what we're to do an inch of what we're able to do without deal . i without collapsing the deal. i think what the tory right seem to want is a much more wider treatment of the of the human rights laws to disapply them to a whole cadre of people arriving

rather than individually . now, rather than individually. now, the pm said that a tiny number numbers could be able to appeal being sent to rwanda, but mostly they will be sent to rwanda. so he is he is digging down into this, working . he talked in his this, working. he talked in his prepared remarks as a child of immigrants, understood the immigrants, he understood the pull, the desire to come to this country , which all enjoy country, which we all enjoy living in a lucky, lucky to live in. but he also said that there's of british fair there's a degree of british fair play. you can't cheat the system. you can't come across a south coast , water across south coast, water across the channel south coast channel to the south coast border, forgive me. and then break and go against the rules. jump the queue and the rest of it. so he understands the frustration. is the frustration. and this is the result of him trying to get a grip. so if he gets this right, the political bounty could be quite great. the party quite great. the labour party has offer on has nothing to offer on immigration. in the same way they work more closely they want to work more closely with with enforcement on the continent and do more do more deals with other countries. but that's about it. so if sunak can get this over the line , he's got get this over the line, he's got a chance of closing the a real chance of closing the labour lead. but if he doesn't ,

labour lead. but if he doesn't, his government is in real trouble. it's really , really trouble. it's a really, really crunch next week in crunch moment. next week in westminster. to you both. westminster. back to you both. well absolutely, chris. >> very point >> and very important point there about the parliamentary arithmetic . a majority of 56. so arithmetic. a majority of 56. so sunak could afford 55 abstentions ins, but as soon as one of those decides to vote for the other side, that counts double. that's because it's not just you're losing a vote. the opposition is gaining a vote, too. so only 28 mps could turn this whole thing around. >> yes. which is which could very much happen . this is very very much happen. this is very realistic that he could lose this vote. but of course, we wait until tuesday to find out. now the government's rwanda policy has become the butt of jokes among channel migrants, a key source close to the people smuggling operations has told gb news yes, the source said, the threat of sending migrants to the east african nation had not deterred people from trying to reach the uk. >> and there continuing to arrive in northern france in even greater numbers . in an even greater numbers. in an

exclusive interview, he told our homeland security editor mark white that it's the people smugglers themselves who are responsible for the reduction in numbers in crossing this year in order to increase the demand on the boats and push up the prices i >> -- >> just days after french police cleared thousands of migrants and tents from makeshift camps around calais and here, along the rail track south of dunkirk , the rail track south of dunkirk, they're back this time much further into the woodland multiple campsites far away from the spots, the police regular raid. we've spoken to a key contact who works in and around these camps and who has intimate knowledge of the people smuggling operations. knowledge of the people smuggling operations . says he smuggling operations. says he agreed to speak on the understanding we protect his identity. there are, he says, more people waiting to cross to the uk , both here and at the uk, both here and at locations further inland than at

any time since the small boat crisis began and far from deterred in crossings, the uk government's rwanda plan is a source of great amusement in these camps . these camps. >> as mentioned, rwanda and the people here in the camps just laugh. it's become a bit of a joke. the threat hasn't put them off because no one here thinks for a second they're heading back if they make it back to rwanda. if they make it to the uk. >> adamant e adamant reason >> and he's adamant the reason the in small the number crossing in small boats is a bit lower than last yearis boats is a bit lower than last year is down to the people smugglers themselves. controlling the flow of small boat launches drives up the pnces boat launches drives up the prices , and the gangs have prices, and the gangs have become much more sophisticated in knowing when to launch . in knowing when to launch. >> they've now linked into the met office data on whether patterns and tidal flows. if there's a weather window of a few hours, they know that. >> and he says they've even adopted the organised crime groups drug smuggling methodology where criminals will tip off authorities about one

drugs mule to ensure others on the same route get through . the same route get through. >> they'll send ten boats out, leak the location of 1 or 2. the french police seize them and everyone's happy. they tell the brits to stop in the boats on these beaches. meanwhile, a bulk of those are getting through near dunkirk. >> we filmed as this group of migrant eights boarded a bus to accommodate provided by the regional government further inland . but these migrants will inland. but these migrants will be back as soon as they get the nod from the smugglers that it's their turn to board a small boat . and you just need to head to the rail station in calais for evidence of more migrant arrivals . police on the arrivals. police on the platforms can do little to stop them . this group of young men them. this group of young men tell me they're from afghanistan . iran just off the train from belgium. they plan to camp around calais as they wait for their turn on a small boat

region . politician philippe region. politician philippe emery is adamant the migrant crisis is worse now than it's ever been, and the regular police raids are simply theatre. >> it's only a policy of a appearance. two, three, four months. we clear the place and the migrants are coming, coming back again . for me, it's worse back again. for me, it's worse than ever . than ever. >> and just like the migrants here, he's completely dismissive of the british government's rwanda scheme. >> i think rwanda is a joke. >> i think rwanda is a joke. >> it's a joke . >> it's a joke. >> it's a joke. >> only a joke, only a joke . >> only a joke, only a joke. >> only a joke, only a joke. >> with the winter weather, the frequency of launches from these beachesis frequency of launches from these beaches is reducing , but the beaches is reducing, but the numbers in the camps will continue to swell until the next set of police raids . part of the set of police raids. part of the never ending cycle of uk bound migrants flowing through northern france . and you will northern france. and you will keep trying to get to london.

>> london? yes i go to london. >> london? yes i go to london. >> in our next report, the other route to the uk as thousands of mainly africa men who can't afford the price of a place on a boat risk their lives trying to clamber aboard lorries. mark white gb news calais . white gb news calais. >> a reminder there that it's not just of course, the boat crossings, but also people getting onto, you know , trucks getting onto, you know, trucks and the like to cross the border. now, after the break, we're going to put some of those findings from mark white to the prominent conservative mp bob seely. stay with .

isabel monday to thursdays from. six till 930 . six till 930. >> good afternoon , britain. now >> good afternoon, britain. now we're a review has found itv made considerable efforts to find out the truth about an alleged relationship between philip schofield and a younger male colleague. at this morning, itv bosses say both parties repeatedly denied allegations of a relationship until the presenter left itv and formally apologised . apologised. >> he quit this morning back in may. >> well, we're joined now by gb news presenter pip tomson and pip, this is not the final finding of an investigation, but it is an important milestone along the way . along the way. >> yes, tom, this investigation

has been going on a few months now , and what it was looking now, and what it was looking into was the rumours of this relationship between well, not rumours. >> it happened, but how it was actually handled. this relationship between philip schofield , old and a young man schofield, old and a young man known as person x, who cannot be identified but was a member of itv . itv. >> this morning's production team now, philip schofield , had team now, philip schofield, had quit this morning a show he'd presented for over 20 years after admits to, i quote, an unwise but not illegal relationship with a younger male colleague. >> i mean, it has pretty much finished off his career , at finished off his career, at least for now. >> he admitted lying about that relationship at and was then dropped by his talent agency. so this review has been carried out by a jane mulcahy kc c and interestingly, when she was doing the review, she did find 55 interviews in total. >> she spoke to 48 people, seven

of them twice. >> so that's that explains the discrepancy . discrepancy. >> but she did not speak to philip schofield. he reluctantly declined to take part in these interviews because of the risk to his health. that is what the report says. >> and in fact, philip schofield's mental health, we understand, has now since deteriorated . deteriorated. >> she also did not speak to person x person x say they have moved on with their life and they did not want to take part in it either. but what has been discovered is that itv did go to consider all efforts to find out about this alleged relationship between philip schofield and this runner . this runner. >> but they were unable to uncover the relevant evidence . uncover the relevant evidence. >> that was until philip schofield had admitted what was going on last may. it also found that there was no finding of a

toxic culture, but does say that more efforts need to be made to ensure that junior employees should have the confidence to speak up and raise concerns to management in line with their speaking up policy. now itv has reacted to this external review saying that a helpful direction has been given to how they can improve further . they welcome improve further. they welcome the recommendations and they are completely committed to creating an environment where everyone is treated with respect and feels able to give of their best. they hope the completion of the review allows the team at this morning to get back to what they do so well. making a brilliant show that entertains and informs millions of viewers every week and that show, well, it has . and that show, well, it has. >> it has been a bit of a roller coaster ride for this morning since schofield quit since phillip schofield quit in may of course, holly may because of course, holly willoughby, left the show in willoughby, she left the show in october and so far they don't look like they've found their

permanent replacements. >> now, pip, you actually worked at itv, didn't you ? what was at itv, didn't you? what was your impression of the whistle blowing process or air processes? well listen, i worked at itv for, well, at least ten years because i was i worked in the itv regions for about 6 or 7 years. >> then i left for a time and then i went to a not this morning, but another show on itv daytime . daytime. >> good morning britain. >> good morning britain. >> i was there for ten years and i can only speak as i find i had a very happy time. there >> i felt that management were approachable, this toxic culture that they found no evidence of . that they found no evidence of. >> i have to say i didn't. i didn't hear or see it or witness it at all. >> the only thing you knew was that the presenters , as they that the presenters, as they were the face of the show and they were powerful . they were powerful. >> yes, absolutely . thank you >> yes, absolutely. thank you very much. pip tomson news presenter, bringing us the latest on that review into phillip schofield and itv.

>> that when people want to pass the buck, they they blame an amorphous culture rather than individual us. and if you're not naming individuals , you're just naming individuals, you're just saying, oh, it's the culture. it's almost like, oh, it's not anything to do with anyone. yes it's rather vague. it's all rather vague. >> tangible, tangible >> the more tangible, tangible conclusions. but coming up after the bulletins, we're going to speak conservative mp for the speak to conservative mp for the isle bob seely, isle of wight. bob seely, very prominent go anywhere . tom. >> emily, thanks very much. good afternoon. it's 231. the headunes afternoon. it's 231. the headlines this hour are russian hackers have targeted the uk, with the government describing the security breach as a hostile , sustained effort to interfere in british politics. it's understood groups linked to the country's security services, the fsb , compromised the personal fsb, compromised the personal email accounts of mps, journalists and civil servants. the government has summoned the russian ambassador and sanctioned two spies . the first

sanctioned two spies. the first vote on the new emergency, rwanda legislation will be put through parliament on tuesday. the prime minister has defended the government's plan, describing it as the country's toughest anti—immigration law. rishi sunak acknowledged some people are upset by the bill, but he says it does address some concerns brought by the supreme court . boris johnson has told court. boris johnson has told the covid inquiry he denies ever wanting to let the virus rip dunng wanting to let the virus rip during the pandemic. it's after he presented he was presented with extracts from the former chief scientific adviser, sir patrick vallance's diary. the former prime minister says when the idea was discussed, it was because he wanted to challenge the consensus . as we've been the consensus. as we've been hearing, an external review has found itv made considerable efforts to uncover the truth about an alleged relationship involving phillip schofield . the involving phillip schofield. the paper says the broadcaster was aware of rumours circulating in 2019 but was unable to uncover the relevant evidence until the tv presenter made an admission

in may of last year. 48 people were interviewed, but . but the were interviewed, but. but the report author says phillip schofield had reluctantly declined to take part because of the risks to his health. the bbc licence fee is increasing to £169.50 next year. it follows a two year price freeze. it was due to rise in line with inflation but will instead be based on september's consumer pnces based on september's consumer prices index, making it £20 cheaper than it would have been . cheaper than it would have been. the culture secretary says a review into the licence fee model has been launched to help ease future price rises . you can ease future price rises. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com . well joining us now gbnews.com. well joining us now for more on this migration story, bob seely, the conservative mp for the isle of wight. >> bob, on tuesday next week there will be a seismic moment

in the house of commons. have you decided which way you're going to vote and will you take into account the judgement of this so—called star chamber of lawyers, lawyers compiled by some of your colleagues ? some of your colleagues? >> hi, tom. hi emily, and hello to your viewers and listeners . to your viewers and listeners. yeah, for sure. i listen to the star chamber because they're important, but actually, look, i just think i'm just really wary of my colleagues on either side of my colleagues on either side of the party thinking there's no such thing as party unity or a party whip. if rishi had said , party whip. if rishi had said, you know, this is just some middle of the road option, we could we've cooked up, we could go a bit harder if we wanted to. theni go a bit harder if we wanted to. then i think that would be open to criticism . but at the 1922 to criticism. but at the 1922 meeting, so at the meeting of the conservative backbenchers, tom, that that was at tom, that that rishi was at yesterday, he made one thing very clear if we go any harder , very clear if we go any harder, we lose the rwandans and there is no flight going to no nowhere. if the rwandans aren't

part of the deal. so we need to keep the rwandans on side . and keep the rwandans on side. and they have been adamant that they won't go further than we have gone. won't go further than we have gone . so we have taken this as gone. so we have taken this as far as we can, keeping the policy alive as it made it as hard as we possibly can whilst keeping the policy alive and for that reason, of course, i'm going to vote with the government and i just urge colleagues on both sides that we need to come together and this give this our best shot. tom, this is part of a package of measures. yeah so it's not just if rwanda fails, the whole thing fails as we've reduced albanian illegal immigration by 90. we have treaties with numbers of countries now we're working more closely with the french and clearly the rwanda element is a third part of that. it's a really important part. it's a very visible part. it's a very high profile part politically, it's an important part.

high profile part politically, it's an important part . but it's an important part. but actually where in europe , actually where in europe, illegal migration is up 80. in britain, it's already dropping this year. the small boats by a third. so we are dealing with this problem. almost every other country in europe isn't so i'm going to be supporting the prime minister because i believe what he said yesterday and i urge my colleagues to same . colleagues to do the same. >> crucially, the rwanda >> bob, crucially, the rwanda plan is the deterrent part of the policy package that rishi sunakis the policy package that rishi sunak is proposing . his future sunak is proposing. his future very much depends on this vote. surely he's made a promise to his party and to the electorate that he will be the man to stop the votes if the vote doesn't go his way on tuesday. is it time for him to resign ? for him to resign? >> no. and the vote will go his way on tuesday. emily sorry. i have no doubt about that . and i have no doubt about that. and i just think it would be wary of building this up into something that it's not. but you're right. we have got a pledge to deliver. we're delivered ing the we're already delivered ing the rwanda element is a relatively small part of a much bigger

package. small part of a much bigger package . it's a very visible package. it's a very visible part. it's a very political part. it's a very political part. it's a very political part. it's a very obvious deterrent come to britain, you end up in rwanda . so there's not end up in rwanda. so there's not that, you know, rwanda is a decent country. i'm sure that is a visible part. decent country. i'm sure that is a visible part . but the other a visible part. but the other part of the deterrent is the country deals where we're sending people back all the time . so the small boats have declined by a third already this yean declined by a third already this year. album an illegal migration is down 90. so we're already it's already working. so for your viewers who think that if the flights take off, the policy works , if the flights don't take works, if the flights don't take off, the policy doesn't work, i would just say it's a bit more nuanced than that . the flights nuanced than that. the flights are important, but they're always going to be relatively small numbers. but it's a high deterrent effect that mass deterrent effect that mass deterrent comes from making sure that we have a package of measures in place include adding working more closely with the french , which is the only thing french, which is the only thing that the labour party say they'll effectively copy they'll do is effectively copy our relationship with the

french. from that, they french. apart from that, they have and that's have no answer and that's important too. >> and bob , sorry, you >> bob, you and bob, sorry, you and rishi alike have said that it government's policies it is the government's policies that led to a decrease in that have led to a decrease in the number of boat crossings over the past year. our home and security editor has been in calais talking to people, talking to those the ground, talking to those on the ground, and say that actually and they say that actually this is the people is a tactic from the people smugglers themselves stoke up smugglers themselves to stoke up demand and to then increase the pnces demand and to then increase the prices that actually they're in control of the number of boat crossings. and there are just as many waiting to cross as many people waiting to cross as there ever have been . there ever have been. >> okay. well right . have i been >> okay. well right. have i been to calais recently, emily? no but. but if there are fewer people coming across and it's becoming more difficult because people are being sent back and the rwanda bill is now going through with the threat that that will work. it becomes more difficult to get people across . difficult to get people across. so potentially those gangs and those that organised those organised crime gangs are trying to increase the amount of money they're getting from everybody.

if is a restricted supply, if there is a restricted supply, that's one reason why it may cost more to come here. but you can interpret that as being a part of a successful policy as well. let's wait and see when the weather gets better. what is happening . but there is a very happening. but there is a very simple message here. there's a package of measures they are already having effect. they are already having effect. they are already working. labour has no plan. and indeed when keir starmer was a lawyer, he was arguing to defend the rights of people who come here illegally. and when he was leader of the opposition, he was doing exactly that as so we've got that as well. so we've got a conservative party who is trying to deal with a massive problem that countries , all that all countries, all governments europe trying governments in europe are trying to with. and we are to deal with. and we are arguably doing a much betterjob than european than most other european countries, because we've countries, partly because we've got geography, but got the luck of geography, but partly because we are determined to something about labour to do something about it. labour wouldn't have a clue. yeah, of course . coui'se. >> course. >> what the labour party would say that they would work even say is that they would work even more with the french, although i'm the government i'm sure that the government would doing that

would say they're doing that too. thank you so too. bob seely, thank you so much joining afraid much forjoining us. i'm afraid we've out of time on this one. >> yes. coming up, we'll be heading to because heading to france because they've very they've got some very interesting policy announcements, at least proposals. we'll let you know what those are

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exercise in finding the truth or an exercise in pointing the finger? well joining us this afternoon to discuss this is the journalist and broadcaster ella whelan and the former labour mp simon danczuk. yes well, that's the question we want to ask you . the question we want to ask you. >> really, simon, do you think it's a bit a bit about it's a bit a bit more about pointing fingers than actually finding truth ? finding the truth? >> i think it is, and i don't think that's appropriate. i think that's appropriate. i think should more think it should be much more effective efficient and effective and efficient and a shorter inquiry. we're spending effective and efficient and a shotoo inquiry. we're spending effective and efficient and a shotoo muchy. we're spending effective and efficient and a shotoo much money; spending effective and efficient and a shotoo much money oniending effective and efficient and a shotoo much money on it,ding effective and efficient and a shotoo much money on it, far; far too much money on it, far too much time on it. we should be learning lessons for the future, not looking at the past so much. and it's too much of a blame game. the good news is that boris johnson, i think has come out of this as very human so to be so far. he's shown to be emotional it , frustrated emotional about it, frustrated by some of the direction of by the some of the direction of the inquiry. he's come out quite positively the inquiry. he's come out quite possimon it's hard believe >> simon it's hard to believe you ever labour mp well, you were ever a labour mp well, you were ever a labour mp well, you like nigel farage, boris johnson, any tories you don't like? well, there are three nigel farage is not a conservative, but i like to say and do what i think is best for

the rather than what's the country rather than what's best tribe. best for my tribe. >> what i like. that's >> that's what i like. that's how i reach conclusions on policy and on personalities. it's fair enough . it's fair enough. >> ella, what you make of the >> ella, what do you make of the whole boris in whole covid inquiry? boris in the covid inquiry anyway? >> well, listen, i, like most people, want wanted to make bons people, want wanted to make boris johnson have his day in court. and, you know, i think he did a lot, a lot wrong . and i did a lot, a lot wrong. and i kind of want him to pay for that. i wish it had been at the ballot box rather than through the inquiry, the means of this inquiry, because the you know, i don't think even psychologically, emotionally or anything , anyone emotionally or anything, anyone wants to rake over those years and sort of do a sort of blame game because it's largely pointless. what is beneficial is to think what quite coldly and calmly, what went wrong , so that calmly, what went wrong, so that then when there are pandemic plans put in place for the future , which there should be, future, which there should be, we know exactly what they are. we sort of have some kind of democratic don't democratic input and we don't make mistakes. it make the same mistakes. and it feels this inquiry is hell feels like this inquiry is hell bent on trying to prove that

lockdowns enough , lockdowns didn't go hard enough, weren't quick enough, and didn't encompass people. and encompass enough people. and i think that the experience of the pubucis think that the experience of the public is actually a bit different, which is that at the start and the start of the pandemic and in the handung start of the pandemic and in the handling of homes, there handling of care homes, there were serious failings. but were very serious failings. but that the mass closure of schools , the mass closure of hospitals industry was not necessary in those later years, particularly after the introduction of the vaccine. so that all that nuance seems to be getting lost. and i actually think most people really don't care about partygate anymore. i'd like to know how on earth they came up with this tier system . with this tier system. >> remember the god awful tier system where it seemed to make no sense at all? >> it all ended in tears. >> it all ended in tears. >> yes, well, it did . i'm sure >> yes, well, it did. i'm sure i did shed a tear over that. it was so ludicrous at the time. every around the country , every around the country, different to manchester where i'm from, got hit hardest, if you recall. >> and andy burnham made a big thing of but it was thing of it. but it was a nonsense. i mean, the borders. i remember taking on a remember taking my children on a road trip and we escaped the

tier system. the day before. this is in the middle of the pandemic, just the day before we managed to leave. >> i remember going to a restaurant as london was restaurant in as london was was expected into the next expected to go into the next yean expected to go into the next year, the next day. of year, the next day. and of course, busier course, the places were busier than because people are than ever because people are anticipating what would happen. but i think , but it is interesting, i think, ella, you raised partygate because that was brought up not by the inquiry lawyer , but by by the inquiry lawyer, but by a lawyer from a campaign group called covid families for justice or bereaved families for justice or bereaved families for justice . i find it very hard to justice. i find it very hard to understand why an inquiry that is looking to get to finding facts and sort of learning how to do things again is giving time to a campaign group that has for justice time to a campaign group that has forjustice in its name , has forjustice in its name, something that's looking to sort of find villains, find blame, find retribution rather than truth . truth. >> well, and if you're if your mother or your sister or your brother had died from covid, you would i mean, you can completely sympathise, empathise with these

people. but what about the people. but what about the people lost their family people who lost their family members suicide throughout members to suicide throughout the pandemic or people who, you know, died from not getting cancer treatment or , you know, cancer treatment or, you know, that we can play undiagnosed ? that we can play undiagnosed? yeah. with lists of victims. the thing is, what happened during that covid period is that lots of people died who shouldn't have. and unless the inquiry is going to give equal time to someone from a campaign from that it that sort of group, then it seems make no sense. seems to make no sense. >> that's a very point >> that's a very good point because i'm not saying that would be a thing to do would be a good thing to do because inquiry is not an because the inquiry is not an appropriate place for having these of . these sort of. >> i said borisjohnson these sort of. >> i said boris johnson should have his day in court. it's not a place that should treated a place that should be treated like to be like that. it's meant to be about it's meant about fact finding. it's meant to quite boring. to be quite boring. >> and yet. >> and yet. >> simon this the, to some >> simon is this the, to some extent, fault media? extent, the fault of the media? a lot of the inquiry, as we found yesterday, is very found out yesterday, is very dry. but then what media dry. but then what the media does look in on moment does is look in on the moment where, the politicians where, oh, the politicians having on them having the screws turned on them and this sort of and it's almost this sort of medieval festival of, oh, look at them the stocks. we're

at them in the stocks. we're throwing our rotten apples and everyone feels better about themselves, learn nothing. >> think the media always >> i think the media will always do problem do that. i think the problem here, had it pointed here, and i've had it pointed out to me by 1 or 2 lawyers involved in the inquiry actually , the , it's all about the chairmanship the inquiry and chairmanship of the inquiry and these inquiries can be these public inquiries can be exceptionally effective or exceptionally effective or exceptionally poorly run . and exceptionally poorly run. and i'm told by lawyers close to this inquiry that the chair is not very effective. and that's a key point to this. >> that's very interesting. right. let's talk about something completely different and over to and fly over zoom over to france, because as it seems like monsieur macron , or at least his monsieur macron, or at least his education minister, has decided to implement mandatory uniforms in schools, and this is to try and clamp down on bad behaviour among some pupils. >> trial. as things stand. and so it might not become law across france, but huge areas are now trialling this policy and it came after it appeared to be national rally policy,

formerly known as the national front in france. front national. they put this in their policy prospectus and now macron seems to be sort of copying them. >> yeah. which is, you know , a >> yeah. which is, you know, a worrying sign or at least something to note. i mean , le something to note. i mean, le pen and her crowd are interested in implementing uniforms because they have a sort of ingrained distrust and hatred of people wearing headscarves. and obviously france has a problem with trying to marry its sense of a republic that has a national identity . and it's national identity. and it's meant to be a unifying force and all the rest of it. but it seems to me you can't do that if you ban people from having religious freedom and expression. so there's been a big problem. i think, social cohesion and think, with social cohesion and identity around the wearing of the hijab or headscarf. >> surely a uniform is one of the best ways to make children feel a sense of unity because you all look the same. i'm a big fan of uniform, big, big fan of uniform. >> i don't think it's the part

of the discussion is that france has got quite poor ratings for in education and they want to try and do something about it. and uniform is not magic spell and uniform is not a magic spell that's going to make all the and uniform is not a magic spell that'sitoing to make all the and uniform is not a magic spell that' sit upg to make all the and uniform is not a magic spell that' sit up straight le all the and uniform is not a magic spell that' sit up straightze al pays kids sit up straight and pay attention to the board. but it does do it does send a message to kids. i actually think the most most interesting most the most interesting message important it message and important message it sends is that you don't sends to kids is that you don't you by own rules you don't play by your own rules here. know, you are part of here. you know, you are part of a collective that's here to learn. and listen the learn. shut up and listen to the teacher. you know, whether or not that's sort of i think it's possible for you to include huabsin possible for you to include hijabs in a uniform as well. i'd like to tell france, but i think that of sense of that some kind of sense of having the know, we were having the you know, we were just the last hour about just talking the last hour about gender identity schools and gender identity in schools and things we things like that. i think now we sort that should sort of think that kids should just to whoever they just be able to be whoever they want act however they want just be able to be whoever they wa schools. ct however they want just be able to be whoever they wa schools. i'm owever they want just be able to be whoever they waschools. i'm being' they want just be able to be whoever they waschools. i'm being ahey want just be able to be whoever they waschools. i'm being a bit want in schools. i'm being a bit crass, but i think there is a sort of lack sense of there being authority school. >> my mum was a teacher. >> my mum was was a teacher. she's retired from it now and she to tell that, you she used to tell me that, you know, stunt know, uniform doesn't stunt creativity. actually allows creativity. it actually allows children to creative in their

children to be creative in their own ways because they're not worrying about what they're wearing and that, you know, you need some order order to be need some order in order to be creative . does that sense? creative. does that make sense? >> do . i agree with that. >> yes, i do. i agree with that. and i think a uniform is a very positive approach to schooling. i it's an equaliser in i think it it's an equaliser in terms of and from an exceptionally poor family. we used to get a grant from the local authority to buy a uniform. when i child, but uniform. when i was a child, but it ensured there was an it ensured that there was an equalisation of clothes . and equalisation of clothes. and it's that in france it's interesting that in france they started losing the school uniforms in the 1960s when i suspect that's when the rot set in and it's gone downhill from there. but all the private schools france do wear schools in france do wear a uniform. so i think it's something that they will appreciate point, appreciate and that point, simon, interesting simon, is so interesting because it equaliser if you it can be an equaliser if you don't school uniform. don't have a school uniform. >> people are designer >> people are having designer clothes competing latest clothes competing for the latest trainers whereas if trainers or whatever. whereas if everyone's wearing the same thing, some that thing, for some families that will a massive will be potentially a massive saving . in terms of outgoing, saving. in terms of outgoing, yeah, much people complain yeah, as much as people complain about the cost of uniforms, it's probably to have probably more expensive to have

a different outfit a different different outfit every few days every day. every few days or every day. >> indeed. shall we move on? our final of show today. final story of the show today. taylor swift at what's happened with taylor swift sing , a song with taylor swift sing, a song writer extraordinaire named time magazine's of the year. magazine's person of the year. wow. ella is this controversial? >> well , no, not really. i wow. ella is this controversial? >> well, no, not really. i mean, she has i quite like her pop music as a pop star. she's extremely successful . sell out extremely successful. sell out tickets, crash in ticketmaster, all the rest of it. i think she does a really good job of sort of classic pop of know, of classic pop of you know, break—up songs revenge songs break—up songs and revenge songs and rest of it. it's and all the rest of it. it's unfortunate of the unfortunate that all of the coverage has focussed on the idea she's great idea that she's this great feminist , which, know, feminist icon, which, you know, makes someone who makes me bristle as someone who thinks that women's empowerment and politics are and liberation politics are something quite serious, that you don't necessarily do with dressed in a sort of glittery gown and cowboy boots . but, you gown and cowboy boots. but, you know, she's a she's won it on. i can't feminism be dressed in a street gown it's a bit patronising though, isn't it? but just you know, just because patronising though, isn't it? but jusdowdy now, just because patronising though, isn't it? but jusdowdy doesn't;t because patronising though, isn't it? but jusdowdy doesn't mean use patronising though, isn't it? but jusdowdy doesn't mean that. i dress dowdy doesn't mean that. but a hate that but there's a i just hate that artists always have to have some

kind of cause . and, you know, kind of cause. and, you know, maybe she is very interested in sort of women's politics. that's fine. but she's a singer. that's why she's one. simon quick word. >> i like it because we celebrating something really positive, somebody who has a great impact, positive impact. great impact, a positive impact. do what she does? do you know what she does? >> the crowds, the she >> her the crowds, the joy she bnngs >> her the crowds, the joy she brings swiftie fans is immense. >> it actually her swiftie fans, it's emotional, all including the minister allegedly the prime minister allegedly rishi sunak a big taylor swift. >> well, he has two daughters, doesn't he? that's all from us. ella whelan simon danczuk, thank you for being you very much indeed for being our see back our panel. we'll see you back tomorrow have a brighter tomorrow at 12. have a brighter outlook with box solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello, welcome to the latest gb news weather update from the met office. heavy rain will continue for many of us through the afternoon with surface water potentially a problem, but it will turn drier from the west . will turn drier from the west. that says this area of low pressure pushes this weather front eastwards and behind it

things will clear for a time before another unsettled day on friday. so weather warnings still in force through into the evening, staying with sticking with the heavy rain across northeastern scotland, a drier interlude for a time from the west that could develop some mist and fog and low cloud across eastern coasts. and that means it will be a much milder night than last night. we'll be frost free across the country. it could be as high as ten degrees to start on friday morning, but it will be another unsettled day friday. unsettled day through friday. showers in from the showers will rattle in from the west, particularly across northwestern areas and then into the southwest later on in the afternoon . while there could be afternoon. while there could be afternoon. while there could be a risk of thunderstorms with that as well . so quite a lot of that as well. so quite a lot of rain to come. still in the west. in a drier day with a in the east, a drier day with a bit more sunshine around temperatures around 10 or 11 degrees. it will be a breezy degrees. but it will be a breezy afternoon you are on afternoon wherever you are on friday afternoon . then on friday afternoon. then on saturday, we see the next area of rain push in and sweep across the country. it'll introduce continue to introduce that mild

air. by the afternoon. we could see a bit more in the way of dner see a bit more in the way of drier weather, but there'll be more rain to come on sunday, particularly across the northwest . but is looking northwest. but monday is looking a dner northwest. but monday is looking a drier by by looks a little bit drier by by looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

gb news. good afternoon. >> 3:00. i'm martin daubney. welcome to the show. this is gb news. >> i'm with you for the next three hours. >> we got an epic show coming up that only be one story in that can only be one story in town. the tories are revolting. last night, suella black rishi's plan saying that the tories face electoral wipe out quickly. after that. robert jenrick the immigration minister dramatically quit this morning. rishi said it's my way or the highway, but the tory right aren't buying it and now the tory left say the plan may contravene the human rights of those sent to rwanda. you couldn't make it up. it's complete bedlam in the conservative party. second story, boris faced his second day of light grilling at the covid inquiry he denied he wanted to let the virus let rip through the population . and he through the population. and he also said partygate was a million miles away from the reality. and for the second time he turned on the waterworks. we'll have all the latest

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