gb news and a very good evening. >> welcome to farage here on gb news. it's 7:00 and goodness me, another huge day. a lot to talk about. another huge day. a lot to talk about . more chaos in the whole about. more chaos in the whole rwanda debate will be getting into that . boris, of course, has into that. boris, of course, has been at the covid inquiry for his second day of evidence and a bunch more time and opportunity wasted some unbelievable still unbelievable scenes in the united states . anti—semitism united states. anti—semitism amongst some of the most the best universities in the states . best universities in the states. what is going on over there and of course, derek chisora will be in the studio at the back end of the show to talk about i'm a celebrity. you will not want to miss that out. loads of that. but first of all, of course, it's the news with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> richard, thank you. the top

story this hour, russia's federal security service, the fsb, has hacked high profile mps in what the government is saying was a sustained and effort to interfere in british politics. the deputy prime minister said today peers , civil servants, today peers, civil servants, journalists and non—governmental organisations have also been targeted . it's understood targeted. it's understood politicians had their personal email accounts compromised , email accounts compromised, seized and oliver dowden said the cyber attack is a clear pattern of behaviour by russia, adding that those responsible would be held to account . would be held to account. >> but i can tell you that a unit within the russian federal security service is known as centre 18, elianne has been behind sustained hostile cyber operations , is aimed at inter operations, is aimed at inter fearing in parts of the uk's democratic processes . this has democratic processes. this has included targeting members of parliament. civil servants think tanks, journalists and ngos .

tanks, journalists and ngos. >> meanwhile, the first vote on the new emergency rwanda legislation will be put through parliament on tuesday next week. the prime minister, defence saying the government's plan describing it as the country's toughest anti immigration law. he acknowledged, though some disapproved the bill but said it addressed concerns raised by the supreme court. the prime minister insists the government will get asylum flights off the ground. >> this bill blocks every single reason that has ever been used to prevent flights to rwanda from taking off as the rwandans themselves have made clear, if we go any further, the entire scheme will collapse. and there is no point having a bill with nowhere to send people to . but i nowhere to send people to. but i am telling you now we have set the bar so high that it will be vanishingly rare for anyone to meet it . meet it. >> rishi sunak. now at the covid

inquiry today, boris johnson rejected claims that he didn't care about the suffering inflicted on the country during the coronavirus pandemic. a warning there are some flashing images coming up. if you're watching on tv. the former prime minister was answering questions about parties at number 10 downing street during lockdown . downing street during lockdown. and he says the idea that there was mass rule breaking at the time is a million miles from the truth. also admitted that a truth. he also admitted that a trip to barnard castle by his former chief adviser, dominic cummings, a bad moment. the cummings, was a bad moment. the foreign secretary says blocking ukraine aid would be a christmas present to vladimir putin and xi jinping. lord david cameron, the new foreign secretary has sent a warning after senate republicans in the united states opposed a multi—billion dollar aid package. he urged allies to rally round kyiv, describing the response to the conflict as the greatest test of our generation. as he delivered a speech in washington today, it comes as us congress failed to pass an £88

billion package of wartime funding for ukraine and for israel . that's the news on gb israel. that's the news on gb news across the uk on tv , in news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio, and now on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> thank you very much , polly, >> thank you very much, polly, and welcome back to farage here on gb news. well, another day is there much to discuss? yes, of course , because we've had an course, because we've had an emergency press conference. there seems to be quite a few of those recently. what's it about this time ? well, of course, it's this time? well, of course, it's about rwanda. let me just step back for a minute. how often have you done something for a boss or a friend or a member of their family that, you know, frankly, is just a complete waste of time? it's not going to achieve anything. it's unproductive. it might waste a bunch of cash , but you it bunch of cash, but you do it anyway . we've all been there . anyway. we've all been there. here's the thing about this

whole rwanda policy, the whole strategy, it was supposed to be a deterrent . but let me suggest a deterrent. but let me suggest to you that actually what it really is , it's just a dead cat really is, it's just a dead cat strategy . and i think i've got strategy. and i think i've got a little picture on here of now, don't worry, it's not a real one. it's a furry cat. but the symbolism of that, you see, you've looked at it, you've wondered what on earth is that? it's distracted you. it's taken your mind away from the real issue of the day , which is that issue of the day, which is that tens of thousands of illegal migrants are coming across the engush migrants are coming across the english channel every year now. how long has the government been working on this dead cat strategy there? it is still , strategy there? it is still, just remind ourselves a year in three quarters. they've been talking about this and here we are , december 23rd, almost are, december 23rd, almost 30,000 migrants have come across this year. the cost of those

30,000 is well over £1 billion in just one year. but no one's really been talking about that . really been talking about that. where's the discussion about well , how do we process the well, how do we process the backlog faster? where's the discussion about how do we stop the illegal working ? do you see the illegal working? do you see everybody's been talking about rwanda , and yet it's not rwanda, and yet it's not a deterrent in my view. why would it be a deterrent ? it and we've it be a deterrent? it and we've actually now got the proof from mark whyte's interviews with migrants mike grant's in calais. they're laughing at the idea, the chance of a few hundred, possibly a thousand being sent to rwanda out of 30,000, you'll take the punt, won't you? the dead cat strategy. imagine if all of that money, that time , all of that money, that time, the brains, the expertise and the brains, the expertise and the wisdom in westminster. an oxymoron, possibly the wisdom in westminster, westminster that focussed on getting rid of the backlog, stopping the illegal working, maybe that's a better use of their time, their effort

and their money. to my mind , and and their money. to my mind, and it's not a deterrent , but it's it's not a deterrent, but it's a complete distraction, complete waste of time. so that's my question to you folks. this this is extraordinary strategy . why is extraordinary strategy. why is extraordinary strategy. why is it a deterrent it or is it just a waste of time? email me, farage at gbnews.com or tweet using the hashtag farage on gb news. well, i'm delighted to. fantastic guests in the studio . fantastic guests in the studio. to my right, phillip blonde, former advisor to david cameron, director of the respublica think tank and also fadi fahad lee, a senior legal consultant at gulbenkian andonian lawyers. gentlemen, a very good evening. thank you. i'm going to turn to you first, phillip. so i mean, you've got serious experience from the cameron days of the conservative party. this is not plan it's not plan b, is it? plan a, it's not plan b, is it? plan z? i mean , where is it in plan z? i mean, where is it in the spectrum of a disaster? >> well, it's the disaster has

been ongoing for quite some time. the collapse of conservative support from the heady days of 2019 is the long disaster, if you will, and this is but the latest iteration on where we are now is that the conservative party are polling circa 20% now that reads into one of the most qatar strophic . one of the most qatar strophic. electoral disasters that one can imagine possibly heading to one of the greatest ever. certainly worse than blurs victory in 1997. so we're looking at something where they could be under 150 seats at the latest polling after this more recent debacle could push them even below 100 seats that that's where the conservative party is now currently. >> but but rishi sunak was appointed as the grown up in the room. the man of competence who would get stuff done. and he had

his pledges. he's delivered one of his five pledges. but he did say that he would stop the boats and here we are 11 months later and, can you can and, well, you can you can understand why. >> so i think boris has many merits , but being organised and merits, but being organised and moving from kind of principle to action isn't perhaps one of them. so you had you had kind of boris's how do we put it, inability to act and organise. then you had the truss budget fiasco, so you understand why people went for competence. but he's going back to boris. >> when boris introduced this rwanda policy year in three quarters ago, i mean, he foresaw for that the lawyers would would attack it, but he said it was worth the it was worth the effort. >> look, do deterrent is needed. it worked for australia when they finally got a radical deterrent strategy in australia under tony abbott, it worked and migration stopped . deterrence migration stopped. deterrence needs to be in the mix to deter

illegal migration and for all the reasons that we know, if rwanda worked and if it worked at scale and if it was uncapped, then it would work as deterrent. >> there's a lot of ifs there, but you just use the key word uncapped at scale. neither of which, as i understand, is actually part of this. rwanda scheme. it's a few hundred, maybe up to a thousand. >> well, no, there's no cap. so. so the problem with the rwanda scheme, as currently offered is it isn't it isn't the high bar that the prime minister or the or the home secretary talked about actually see the appeal thatis about actually see the appeal that is still open under section four of the bill means that what happenedin four of the bill means that what happened in june 2022, when the flight was on the tarmac and all all every single person on that flight made an individual application to the courts citing mental illness, inability to thatis mental illness, inability to that is still there and would

and it would be used again . so and it would be used again. so i'm afraid that appeal narrow as it is , isn't set, isn't cut off. it is, isn't set, isn't cut off. >> so let's check that would happen again with fatty . >> so let's check that would happen again with fatty. thank you for waiting. so you're an immigration lawyer. you understand these things. philip's point there that i mean , it's incredibly complex. you read this bill, they say there's lots notwithstanding clauses, lots of notwithstanding clauses, the minister sort of the prime minister sort of slightly frustrated this morning says it's going to work. this is the toughest ever. yet it the toughest ever. and yet it seems there's a there's a little bit of wiggle room within through which many people maybe all of the asylum seekers may may try to sort of wriggle through . through. >> indeed, richard, there's a lot of wriggle room in terms of individual cases , but there's individual cases, but there's even even in terms of the actual overall structure that's not done. and dusted at all from just putting on my legal hat, it seems to be that this is just a repackaging in treaty form, which is a more serious instrument, but it's just simply a repackaging of the original

memorandum. all they've done is reshuffle it and put it into treaty form, but they haven't specifically addressed the factual determination made by the supreme court. the supreme court talked about capacity issues as it talked about rwanda breaching its previous agreements with israel and other international treaties, such as the iccpr and it talked about, for example , the british police for example, the british police issuing. >> but the main point was they ruled that rwanda was not a safe country. >> that's the factual determination. and based on these things, what this treaty doesisit these things, what this treaty does is it doesn't address any of those. it just simply says that putting into treaty that we are putting into treaty form that rwanda is going to provide a treaty. >> but the bill that they're trying to get through the house of then a lot of commons and then with a lot of commons and then with a lot of hard work through the house of hard work through the house of yes, prime of lords. yes, the prime minister saying this is the minister is saying this is the toughest bill that's ever gone through regard to through with regard to immigration it will work. immigration and it will work. and lots of lawyers, almost and yet lots of lawyers, almost most lawyers that i talk to say, well , on most lawyers that i talk to say, well, on individual cases, there's wriggle room , on

there's wriggle room, on individual cases, there's wriggle room. individual cases, there's wriggle this n. what else individual cases, there's wriggle thisn. what else is >> but this is what else is there, from individual there, apart from individual cases, every case is individual. yes. so you've always got that as an individual case in terms of your own individual circumstances . you can always circumstances. you can always but it's not like they apply as a collective. >> everyone is an individual case. wriggle room case. there's wriggle room for individuals. thing individuals. so the whole thing is it's a waste of is a farce. it's a waste of time. >> so the entire thing could potentially collapse just on a case case yes, just remarkable. >> £155 million year in three >> £155 million a year in three quarters. and the answer is , as quarters. and the answer is, as we know, we're no more advanced . we know, we're no more advanced. i mean, a farce. i mean, it's a farce. >> it's a farce. and there's always deterring always this talk of deterring the i never hear the smugglers. and i never hear anything about catching the smugglers. in of actual smugglers. so in terms of actual enforcement, the money enforcement, where the money can go old fashioned go into real old fashioned enforced agents, there's no talk of that. >> in fairness, actually, i think mean, starmer has think i mean, keir starmer has talked greater effort to talked about a greater effort to catch the smugglers. i think actually boris and co home secretaries have talked about that. in reality they're that. but in reality they're incredibly smart. you incredibly smart. and if you catch one, guess what someone else will will basically fill that vacancy. i mean that's

that's happens the that's what happens in the criminal whether we like criminal world, whether we like it i don't that's it or not. i don't think that's the thing. think philip's the thing. i think philip's right. it's the deterrent. but you on australia. you touched on australia. in australia , they pushed back, australia, they pushed back, they they took they picked up and they took elsewhere. in my view, the only way stops both on the way this stops both on the engush way this stops both on the english channel and the mediterranean is when have mediterranean is when you have the safely pick up the courage to safely pick up and back to france, take and take back to france, take back to north africa. at that moment, the whole thing stops. that courageous leadership. >> well , where we are leadership. >> well, where we are is also there's also a problem with section five. you could still make an appeal to the strasbourg court. the attorney general will still views that as binding, even because the court there isn't a clause in section five that says appeals to the strasbourg court are non binding. that isn't in the present treaty . so you could present treaty. so you could have the whole system still invalidated . so there are two invalidated. so there are two serious fundamental legal weaknesses which which with the bill as it stands, which in fairness, the former home secretary, suella braverman,

highlighted to the prime minister she got fired for it. >> turns out she's right. >> turns out she's right. >> i'm afraid suella has been proven right in in many cases. i think she was brave and correct not to call out the double standard of policing that we've seen in, which is largely because of the metropolitan police report . she was right out police report. she was right out of london, not the government. and she was right about calling them the marchers hate marchers. >> philip, thank you very much indeed. fanny just finally , indeed. fanny just finally, where does it go from here? or is basically this is just an excuse for lawyers to make a lot of money over the next 12 months until there's an election. >> well, perhaps, perhaps that. but we're just going but i think we're just going to continue. by the continue. and i think by the time get to a general time we get to a general election, i think everything will reset. will be unpacked and reset. >> be gone. gentlemen, >> it'll be gone. gentlemen, thank you so much. indeed. i'm sorry, folks. got no sorry, folks. we've got no answers except expect answers here except don't expect this deterrent that this to be a deterrent that works any time soon. well, coming up after the break, another day of boris johnson in

the covid inquiry being grilled by the barrister. that, in my view, has been asking yet again complete the wrong questions. oh, and there's a qr code, of course, to tell you how to vote for nigel it's another for nigel because it's another tense another tense evening tense day, another tense evening . go anywhere. it's . gb . don't go anywhere. it's. gb news earlier with eamonn and isabel. >> so today we're asking about lockdowns. do you think that they did more harm than good? you can't have no plan in place. >> you can't suggest that they had pandemic plan. had a pandemic plan. >> had a pandemic plan. >> they had a pandemic plan. they ignored should have they ignored it. we should have protected vulnerable . protected the vulnerable. >> habib, what do you make >> ben habib, what do you make of the situation? >> the people smugglers are not deterred at by any of the deterred at all by any of the measures, obviously, rwanda. >> if i was in parliament and i could say, right, isabel webster is the queen of sheba, a total nonsense. >> very good idea. >> very good idea. >> i don't know what the queen of sheba would actually think about that. >> pat mcfadden good >> pat mcfadden we say good morning him. morning to him. >> in the fridge >> i've got milk in the fridge that can last longer than some

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>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to farage. well, i tell you what, i've just worked it out. if you want to do well, become a lawyer. i mean, we've just heard it on my previous guests. you know, the legal system is making fortunes out of this. and the next section we're going to be talking about the covid inquiry. and just a room and it seems it's just a room full of lawyers. meanwhile, the audience is in. robert audience reaction is in. robert says the policy is finished. it was never needed french was never needed if the french had camps and had cleared the camps and stopped migrants going to stopped the migrants going to the good point . steve, the coast. good point. steve, however, a different take on however, has a different take on it. steve says , i think it. steve says, i think ritchie's plan today seems good to try and stop the boats , but i to try and stop the boats, but i think it's fair to say he has tried to stop the boats, but he's failed. 30,000. here we

are. diane says stop the boats tomorrow. stop bringing them into our shore. turn them round. don't let them land. simple rule and no cost. well, as philip was saying, and as i know that's what they did in australia, they pushed back and that worked . and pushed back and that worked. and in my view, that's the only thing that will stop it. robert says the government totally failed control immigration. failed to control immigration. there's serious deterrent failed to control immigration. there's rwanda s deterrent failed to control immigration. there's rwanda plan.�*rrent failed to control immigration. there's rwanda plan. il'sil failed to control immigration. there's rwanda plan. it's a with the rwanda plan. it's a distraction . ian i agree distraction. ian i agree entirely . it is distraction. ian i agree entirely. it is a distraction. ian i agree entirely . it is a distraction . entirely. it is a distraction. it's a complete nonsense. focus on works. that's how you should be spending your time and effort. talking of focus, as it seems to me that before i go into the covid inquiry, of course , nigel, the king of the course, nigel, the king of the jungle, he needs your votes. it's getting tense. it's getting stressed. there's only three nights to go until the final. later in the show, i've got derek chisora coming in to talk about it, but you've got to download the app. you've got five free votes. he needs every single one. it's on the app store. there's a qr code on the screen or if that work

screen or if that doesn't work for you, call . 6442409 on your for you, call. 6442409 on your mobile. or you can call from . mobile. or you can call from. a landline 0902 0442409. every single vote will become absolutely critical. well, we've had another day of questions to the prime minister boris johnson, at the covid inquiry by hugo keith kc, the barrister that i touched on yesterday . i that i touched on yesterday. i wasn't very happy yesterday with the line of his questions. wasn't very happy yesterday with the line of his questions . and the line of his questions. and was it a good use of his time? well today we learnt about more questions about partygate, more questions about partygate, more questions about partygate, more questions about how advisable it was for dominic cummings to go to barnard castle . we had more to barnard castle. we had more questions about some of the words he wrote on notes completely irrelevant , in my completely irrelevant, in my view, to the terms of reference of the inquiry. what are the lessons learnt ? how were lessons learnt? how were decisions made and delighted to be joined in the studio? alex crowley you know boris johnson well. you were a former political adviser to him when he

was prime minister and mayor of mayor of london previously . he mayor of london previously. he looked frustrated a couple looked quite frustrated a couple of times today at the line of questioning that sort of it was continue the sort of the whole gotcha moment. i mean, two days of his time , great opportunity of his time, great opportunity to get his deep thoughts . am to get his deep thoughts. am i right in thinking it's just time wasted? >> well, it was interesting the first day, boris had a very different demeanour because the questions were a lot more , i questions were a lot more, i thought, sensible and actually we got some quite interesting insights from from from a from a man who was in the hot seat at, at at a time , a completely at at a time, a completely unprecedented time . and actually unprecedented time. and actually he was quite emotional at points . and it's very rare. you see bons . and it's very rare. you see boris display any kind of emotion other than kind of jocular and i thought jocular humour. and i thought that was very interesting. and you to the second you compare that to the second day where questions if day where the questions were, if you lot more, he would you like, a lot more, he would have been more familiar have been a lot more familiar with with the tone. it felt a bit like an mp select committee

at points and of course he's very comfortable with that. he's very comfortable with that. he's very people very comfortable with people attacking he spent attacking him because he spent his with people his whole career with people attacking . and so you're attacking him. and so you're right, a right, we perhaps missed a slight opportunity get a bit slight opportunity to get a bit more the that we could more insight. the that we could have got. >> but the whole point here is the terms of reference of this inquiry have inquiry are clear. lessons have got to learned. report in got to be learned. report in a timely fashion and look at international comparison lessons international comparison lessons in order to see how we compared with other other nations and the barrister today he started going on about the eat out to help out and whether that worked or didn't and actually it was another gotcha moment of did it cause an acceleration of the cases. what he completely failed to do folks was to draw the international comparison but i've got it for you here. this is the graph that shows i know it's a bit faint, but it shows the line of the united kingdom, um, and france in, in around september 2020. and and portugal

and the growth in cases was actually steeper in france than it was in the united kingdom. and exactly the same time , and exactly the same time, france didn't have an eat out to help out scheme like we did. so if the barrister had bothered to look at the international comparisons and evidence, he would have seen that actually it was a complete wrong line of questioning in the cases went up. it was heading towards winter and i just feel that he's got this completely wrong . the got this completely wrong. the most valuable chance to talk to the prime minister, former prime minister and he's he's he's not taken advantage of it. he's wasted it again . wasted it again. >> and i think we have to decide what we want from this inquiry. and ultimately, it will be up to lady to judge on these lady hallett to judge on these questions. but as a society, what we from this what do we want from this exercise? she's right. i think what want from this exercise what we want from this exercise is understand how can is to understand how can this country be better prepared when something like this happens again? and it will. >> thank heavens you've said that, because that's not a

question . i understand that . the question. i understand that. the barrister asked the former prime minister in two whole days. i just find that scandalous and that and that is to be fair in the terms of reference of the inquiry. >> and that's hopefully where we are going to end up. and of course in the middle we are going to get some of these issues come up and perhaps surely, surely to hear boris's thoughts as man at the thoughts as the man at the centre of this making these impossibly difficult decisions. >> he's had time to reflect. what would he have done differently? wasn't that differently? why wasn't that question asked? question properly asked? really examined over half an hour or so. that's surely what we should have been learning from this. >> actually, wrapped >> yes. actually, he wrapped up his testimony at the end today saying actually was quite his testimony at the end today sayingto:tually was quite his testimony at the end today sayingto do lly was quite his testimony at the end today sayingto do more. was quite his testimony at the end today sayingto do more. was ituite happy to do more. but it precisely to explore some of those issues. and you know, i don't think him appearing in front of the inquiry as as other former prime ministers have down the ages, they never tend to change people's opinions that much . if you didn't like the much. if you didn't like the person beforehand , you're not person beforehand, you're not going to like them now. and vice

versa. you like them, you're versa. if you like them, you're probably like probably still going to like them. we can, of course, indulge in a blame exercise . we can say in a blame exercise. we can say that it was all the politician's fault, but it's not that helpful. >> it's all about it doesn't really all about the lessons are learned so that when it happens again at actually we're better prepared. >> yeah and it's a >> yeah and also and it's a useful exercise for everyone to just appreciate the position that he was in. now you can like him, you can hate him. that's fair enough. i get that. but he had to make probably the most difficult decisions, difficult set of decisions, arguably without question. >> alex crowley, thank you so much for sharing those much indeed for sharing those thoughts with you. well, that's my thoughts on the covid inquiry. i tell you what, in the next section, you will not believe what's been going on in the united states with with three of the top universities is extraordinary testimony that will shock you all. don't go anywhere. it's gb news on state of the nation tonight at 8:00, the prime minister comes out fighting on immigration after a tough week.

>> here's rishi sunaks plan destined to fail or does it just need a bit of faith to succeed? lord cameron is on a diplomatic mission to reaffirm us support for ukraine after republicans opposed president biden's aid package. will his charm and charisma do the trick in keeping the american right on course? today boris johnson is once more grilled in front of the covid inquiry and the book club returns with a former senior number 10 adviser, samuel kasumu , giving us a first hand account of being the outsider tune in tonight at 8:00

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to farage. well, overin >> welcome back to farage. well, over in the united states, this is truly unbelievable. during a congressional hearing in the house of representatives , three house of representatives, three leaders of some of the top universities of mit, harvard and

the university of pennsylvania repeatedly failed to answer the simple question whether calling for the genocide of the jews went against their code of conduct. just take hen does calling for the genocide of jews violate penn's rules or code of conduct ? conduct? >> yes or no . >> yes or no. »- >> yes or no. >> if the speech turns into conduct, it can be harassment. >> so is your testimony that you will not answer yes if it is if the yes or no, if the speech becomes conduct , that it can be harassment? >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> conduct meaning committing the act of genocide . the speech the act of genocide. the speech is not harassment . this is is not harassment. this is unacceptable. ms mcgill, i'm going to give you one more opportunity for the world to see your answer. does calling for the genocide of jews violate penn's code of conduct when it

comes to bullying and harassment? yes or no ? no harassment? yes or no? no >> it can be harassment . >> it can be harassment. >> it can be harassment. >> that was the head of the university of pennsylvania. truly unbelievable. well, i'm delighted to be joined in the studio now by the founder of the israel advocacy movement , saint israel advocacy movement, saint joseph cohen, to discuss this. joseph, in a sense , i'd much joseph, in a sense, i'd much rather you weren't in the studio because we shouldn't have to be discussing this. it's unbelievable. i nearly fell over with anger when i watched that video. what is going on here? i mean, as a jew, it's terrifying the fact that anti—semitism in the fact that anti—semitism in the last month in the uk has risen by 800. >> and you've got a president of a university refusing refuse ing to say that this goes against the universal code of conduct. the call for genocide, the call for genocide of any people. and the thing to really dwell on

here is these this is a university that will see speech as violence. words as violence. if you misgender someone, if you stray into any of these areas, then they will act. but if you call for the genocide of the jewish people two months after the worst massacre of jews since the worst massacre of jews since the holocaust , the worst massacre of jews since the holocaust, nothing. i mean , the holocaust, nothing. i mean, she basically said and actually there were three said separate heads of these universities and all of them basically used almost exactly the same language that will it depends on the context . context. >> it how is how is calling for the genocide of jews is it's a question of it's a question of fact. and violence as opposed to context . context. >> right. and she actually added something. she said if it becomes if it turns into conduct, what does that mean? if someone acts on it, actually genocides the jews, then it's against our policy. but inciting it, calling for it , well, that's

it, calling for it, well, that's why is this going on? >> what's in their heads? i mean , these are clearly intelligent, smart people. >> yeah, i think unfortunately, people have got themselves so tied up in knots with the israeli palestine conflict that they're unable all to see racism when it's staring them in the face. they're unable to see genocidal racism when it's looking at them in the face. >> i hesitate to ask this question , but what do you think question, but what do you think the heads of oxford and cambridge universities would say if they were asked exactly the same i'd hope after same question? i'd hope after seeing the backlash from this, they in the they wouldn't respond in the same they wouldn't respond in the san but there not been they wouldn't respond in the sanbut there not been this >> but had there not been this backlash, suffer from backlash, i think we suffer from the problems in our the same problems in our institutions. there was actually a in bristol not so long a case in bristol not so long ago a professor who was ago with a professor who was accused of anti—semitism and hundreds of academics came out in support of him and then this academic was ultimately fired . academic was ultimately fired. >> why do you think those three heads should be fired? i mean, do you think the pressure will be so intense that actually they'll have to resign?

be so intense that actually the i ll have to resign? be so intense that actually thei don'te to resign? be so intense that actually thei don't thinkesign? be so intense that actually the i don't think there's going >> i don't think there's going to be. would hope that they to be. i would hope that they resign and can't see that resign and i can't see that there's place in academia. there's a place in academia. i've got many of my friends. their children are going off to university as we speak. they're they're preparing . they're they're preparing. they're getting ready to start uni and they're terrified. they're afraid. they know that if afraid. and they know that if they're calls for genocide , the they're calls for genocide, the and so i mean, i fear the answer is that this is not just limited to those three universities. >> how widespread is this? >> how widespread is this? >> i think there's a systemic problem in the in the west today where people are unable to speak out against anti—semitism. >> and as i don't know, a jew there isn't questioning, do we have a future for in the nations where we felt at home for millennia ? millennia? >> it's truly awful. it's appalling. and i just don't know how anybody could frankly speak and think like that. joseph, thank you so much for coming in.

as i say, it, it's good to talk, but in a sense, we shouldn't be talking about this. we shouldn't just appalling. >> but thank you. thank you very much indeed. >> really, really >> no, i really, really appreciate it. well on a lighter note, the farage most note, what the farage most recent. you know, nigel recent. so as you know, nigel has been to try and has been very keen to try and stop an asylum centre being placed at raf scampton and he's fought very hard up there. he's been up there. will regret early this week a high court judge has ruled in favour of the home office against the local council that was trying to stop this planning application. so the council bosses, they've lost the case. they have said that they're going to appeal and of course this is following another case where down in in braintree wethersfield, that has also been approved by the way, by the high court. so it looks at the moment that the high court is favouring the home office as opposed to local councils . a little bit

local councils. a little bit better news, folks . maybe this better news, folks. maybe this is thanks to you . for the first is thanks to you. for the first time in a decade, cash has grown in use. yes cash is king and it's now being used for 19% of transactions over the last 12 months, according to retailers. that's up significantly from 15% the previous year. so that's actually good news. people are obviously using cash as a way of helping budgeting at a difficult time. so that's a little bit of good news. and now we've gone from what the farage to what the thais , because i have to say, thais, because i have to say, coming into this studio today, i walked up the steps in paddington station . just take a paddington station. just take a look at this . i mean, more signs look at this. i mean, more signs than you can shake a stick at. i just want to walk up the steps. i don't want to be told one step at a time . don't rush. hold the at a time. don't rush. hold the handrail. no mobiles. i mean, honestly , i'm not a moron . i

honestly, i'm not a moron. i know how to walk up a set of steps, but why do people waste time on this stuff? it's absurd . time on this stuff? it's absurd. and why don't these people focus on actually getting the trains to run on time, making sure the signals work and they don't fail? getting the leaves off the line or wasting time putting signs on steps . it's absolutely signs on steps. it's absolutely ridiculous. but more good news, though, nigel is in the jungle. we will be, of course, urging you please vote for him this evening and the last three nights ahead. we'll be talking to adam cherry , and in the to adam cherry, and in the studio, derek chisora . don't go studio, derek chisora. don't go anywhere. it's .

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nigel, of course. he is in the jungle. he's still there . we jungle. he's still there. we need to get him into the final folks that means we need every single vote possible for the next three nights. you'll see the qr, qr code the screen the qr, qr code on the screen and also hopefully the telephone number. if you don't vote through the app. now, the great man, our reporter , adam cherry, man, our reporter, adam cherry, he's in in australia on the he's down in in australia on the gold coast there he is. he's actually he's changed out of that that t shirt . so, adam, that that t shirt. so, adam, what's the latest? you look as though you're having a fantastic time. any work going on? >> plenty of work. >> plenty of work. >> richard yeah. i would just like to point out, i am wearing a different shirt today, but i just want to prove to you that after you floated that conspiracy theory yesterday, i've only got one shirt here, one, another . one, here's another. >> and you've just picked up the same t shirt, so i have got plenty to go. i'm teasing . plenty to go. i'm only teasing. >> so listen, i could have had the same one, but i've got plenty. how is he getting on? >> lots of yesterday. what >> lots of chat yesterday. what do think ?

do you think? >> so yesterday we had a discussion about brexit. they actually aired it. they actually aired political discussion. if aired a political discussion. if you it. so this one you can believe it. so this one was between nigel jose and antony . and i think without fred antony. and i think without fred and without nella, it was less toxic. it was robust, but it didn't descend into complete chaos. so take a look at this. this is a fun clip. they help to shape more laws than the british parliament. >> and you didn't like some of the laws that were being made? >> i didn't like the way they were well once were being made. well once something something had something once something had passed system, there legislative system, there was nothing parliament nothing the british parliament could do to change it. >> nothing. so what the >> nothing. so what were the main concern european laws >> nothing. so what were the mairyou1cern european laws >> nothing. so what were the mairyou were european laws >> nothing. so what were the mairyou were frightened1 laws >> nothing. so what were the ma well, were frightened1 laws >> nothing. so what were the ma well, iere frightened1 laws >> nothing. so what were the ma well, i think ghtened1 laws >> nothing. so what were the ma well, i think ghtishould aws >> well, i think we should make our laws on farming, our own laws on farming, fishing, financial services. you know, industry. we know, the insurance industry. we should laws on should make our own laws on environmental we should be environmental law. we should be in of our own country. in charge of our own country. that's the point . that's the point. >> great chat there, adam. >> great chat there, adam. >> as i say, a yeah, a robust debate , but nothing, nothing to

debate, but nothing, nothing to explosive. actually, i would say the mood in camp is changing now that we're down to the final six. in fact, you even saw danielle have a conversation with nigel early in the show where nigel said, you know what? i'm quite touched and warmed by how welcoming everybody is. he expected claws out and a lot of a lot of fierce debate. actually. everyone's being quite nice to him. so a sense of unity and togetherness in the camp, richard. but i suspect there's also a bit of tension because actually it's now getting to the really competitive end of the competition. >> what can we look forward to? any any tips as to what may happen this evening ? happen this evening? >> well , i'll happen this evening? >> well, i'll give you one little quick tip. and that is don't let nigel be in charge of your cooking if you ever have him around for dinner. >> i think that's a bit harsh. i think nigel is a great cook. from what i've seen and experienced. but maybe he needs the right facilities. oh, okay. >> oh, well, stay tuned. >> oh, well, stay tuned. >> stay tuned. absolutely. adam, you tuned. keep us

you stay tuned. keep us appraised. thank you very much indeed. fascinating few nights indeed. a fascinating few nights ahead. well obviously, with nigel being in the last six, we need to see what's happening to the betting odds. the markets have been moving big time. i'm delighted to be joined by the head of pr at ladbrokes, no less, nicola mcgeady, down less, nicola mcgeady, who's down the us the latest. the line to tell us the latest. nicola, very evening. nicola, a very good evening. thanks for being with us. so i gather market's moving, gather the market's been moving, money made , money is money is being made, money is being nigel. what's being lost on nigel. what's going on? >> a little bit jealous of >> i'm a little bit jealous of adam's there. mine's adam's location there. mine's not as exotic, richard, not quite as exotic, richard, but, yeah , you're right. the but, yeah, you're right. the betting moving fast and betting has been moving fast and it's going favour of it's all going in favour of nigel in the last 24 hours. the urges that you're making for the pubuc urges that you're making for the public to vote for nigel seem to be working and, you know, his odds have more than halved since the start show . he's now the start of the show. he's now 5 to 1 and he was around 16 to 1 at the beginning. wow. and there's no sign that he's going to be leaving tonight. he's 10 to be leaving tonight. he's 10 to the next elimination to 1 in the next elimination market. so he looks safe as houses tonight, i think, because he's shown different, softer

he's shown a different, softer side to himself. he mocks in with team . he gets involved with the team. he gets involved with the team. he gets involved with camp fun . he isn't with the camp fun. he isn't afraid. trials . and, afraid. afraid of trials. and, you know, even if he does struggle , you how gutted he struggle, you see how gutted he is. think the public have is. and think the public have warmed to that. so so nicola, the odds you said he's 5 to 1 to win and are the odds also on him getting to the final? well, um, well , all i getting to the final? well, um, well, all i can offer you odds on him getting to the final. actually he would be odds on now at this point, i'd say he's around 10 to 11 to make the final. um, because if you look at matt hancock, he got at matt hancock, he he got really far didn't he? and although politicians don't often win seems the public win it, it seems the public quite, quite like them. and nigel follow his path and nigel could follow his path and but the big thing that stood out for me is that josie gibson, who was the favourite at the beginning of the show, is now further out the betting than further out in the betting than nigel more popular further out in the betting than nigeiher. more popular further out in the betting than nigeiher. a more popular further out in the betting than nigeiher. a former ore popular further out in the betting than nigeiher. a former realityiular further out in the betting than nigeiher. a former reality tv|r than her. a former reality tv star winner. >> just finally, nicola, who >> and just finally, nicola, who are the top three to get to the final in betting? final in the betting? >> yeah. sam , tony and nigel >> yeah. so sam, tony and nigel look like they'll be the three

in the final. sam is the big favourite though at 1 to 2 so i think people will really need to pick phones to vote for pick up the phones to vote for nigel they want. nigel if they want. >> absolutely will. nicola that's fantastic. thank very that's fantastic. thank you very much indeed. there you much indeed. well, there you have very close. it's have it. it's very close. it's tense, you've to call tense, so you've got to call that number from your mobile 6442409 landline . 6442409 or from your landline. 0902 0442409. if you're not using the app where you get five free votes, i've got to remember to vote after i've been speaking to vote after i've been speaking to my next guest here in the studio, the one and only derek chisora, former british and commonwealth heavyweight champion, and course , two champion, and of course, two time world title challenger. great to see you in the studio, derek. thanks for being with us. so you've never done this so you've never done in this competition. have you ever had the know, i've had the call? you know, i've had twice now. >> they've called and i've >> twice they've called and i've turned you down. >> you've turned yeah, >> you've turned it down? yeah, but seen nigel, you've but having seen nigel, you've been you tempted? but having seen nigel, you've bee it's you tempted? but having seen nigel, you've bee it's okay. you tempted? but having seen nigel, you've bee it's okay. but you tempted? but having seen nigel, you've bee it's okay. but you>u tempted? but having seen nigel, you've bee it's okay. but you know1pted? but having seen nigel, you've bee it's okay. but you know what? >> it's okay. but you know what? it's not for me yet. >> not for you yet. there's a sneaky yet. could you deal sneaky yet yet. could you deal with the snakes and the sort of

the revolting stuff to eat? i mean, wouldn't wouldn't mean, it wouldn't wouldn't comply your fitness comply with your fitness program, comply with your fitness pro i'am, you know what, to be >> i think, you know what, to be honest, nigel did very honest, i think nigel did very well on on the pints of well on on on the pints of water. on nice stuff was revolting. >> he's had a bit of practice drinking pints. >> yeah. so basically him just downing a pint that was unbelievable. it was. i mean, just straight down gagging when he was drinking. yeah, i was like, . very well for like, whoa. very well for myself. i don't know if i could do it. >> you couldn't do it. i couldn't do it. i hate snakes. absolutely hate. >> i hate snakes, too. yeah >> i hate snakes, too. yeah >> oh, for sure. but you know, one of the contestants, one of the other contestants, i mean, you know, nigel well, but you obviously know tony bel—air well as well. >> nigel. i know. i know >> i know, nigel. i know. i know tony. and marvin. right. tony. and i know marvin. right. so, kids go to same so, marvin kids go to same school as my kids and we go to the same birthday party. >> so very conflicted. >> so you're very conflicted. >> so you're very conflicted. >> confident, and >> i'm very confident, and i'm not. not. i'm rooting not. i'm not. i'm not rooting for anybody. >> you're not rooting for >> oh, you're not rooting for everybody. you tempted everybody. but are you tempted by betting odds? by the betting odds? >> i don't bet. >> no, i don't bet. >> no, i don't bet. >> you bet. >> you don't bet. >> you don't bet. >> except on yourself to win. >> yeah, but but in all

seriousness, i mean, think seriousness, i mean, i think tony bel—air is doing really well. tony's well. actually, tony's doing very well. actually, tony's doing ven he's an outstanding >> he's an outstanding candidate. i'm just waiting for him marbles. but he him to lose his marbles. but he hasn't yet. >> he hasn't. >> no, he hasn't. >> no, he hasn't. >> doing very well. >> no, he hasn't. >> he's doing very well. >> no, he hasn't. >> he's doing really/ell. >> no, he hasn't. >> he's doing really well. he's very committed. he's very friendly. he's got, i think people accent. think people love his accent. i think he's surprise he's he could surprise everybody. he's he could surprise everythink i think him and him >> i think i think him and him and nigel head to head, nigel head to head . head to head. >> interesting. what what nicola was saying about josie slipping in because i thought in the odds because i thought josie was an absolute nailed on to be in the final. >> you know, i was >> you know, when i was watching, was like, you know watching, i was like, you know what? beginning like what? i'm beginning to like josie. and when she became josie. and then when she became a leader, kind of lost a camp leader, she kind of lost it little bit. she's lost it it a little bit. she's lost it a bit, yeah. yeah. >> but you've been posting a lot on social media about nigel. you've been posting nigel you've really been posting nigel and melvin basically and tony and melvin basically because three. because i know those three. >> i've been they're all friends. >> so you're properly convicted? yeah. i mean, here in yeah. come on. i mean, here in the studio, just. no one's watching. you backing nigel? watching. are you backing nigel? are with us? are you with us? >> on the hush? don't >> know, on the hush hush? don't tell don't tell anyone. tell anyone. don't tell anyone.

yeah. man, derek. that's >> good man, derek. that's exactly what we want to hear. you might even have to have a small bet to break the habit of a lifetime. um, thank you a lifetime. um, derek, thank you very indeed. fantastic. very much indeed. fantastic. marvellous heard marvellous patrick. you've heard it derek is backing it there. derek is backing nigel. all backing nigel. nigel. we're all backing nigel. the they're. they're the odds are they're. they're pounng the odds are they're. they're pouring in. coming in. >> now he's king of >> that's it. now he's king of the jungle. got derek here the jungle. you got derek here saying he's going to. he's saying that he's going to. he's going i mean, going to back him. i mean, that's all the endorsement anyone could ever need. absolutely. >> right. actually, derek's >> right. but actually, derek's not go the jungle not tempted to go to the jungle enhen not tempted to go to the jungle either. down either. he's turned it down twice. >> w- f million, though. >> yeah, £1.5 million, though. i'm sure. absolutely. i'm not sure. absolutely. >> folks, it is tense. it >> well, folks, it is tense. it is i'm going to read that is tight. i'm going to read that number. you to call number. i need you to call 6442409 on the mobile 0902. have i got that right? yes 0902 0442409. from your landlord the qr codes there to make nigel the qr codes there to make nigel the king of the jungle. king of the king of the jungle. king of the 9:00 show. patrick what's coming up? you've got another extraordinary exclusive rishi sunak hit back at our political editor christopher hope today for yesterday's exclusive from calais, which showed that the numbers of people looking to

cross the channel are as high as they've been. they've ever been. >> that he's managed to >> he said that he's managed to cut number of albanians cut the number of albanians coming. got an coming. well, we i've got an exclusive tonight which appears to off that. to blow the doors off that. i think we have a little clip that i be able to play. i might be able to play. >> you look at that. >> you take a look at that. >> you take a look at that. >> the number of the albanians on boats might be down by on the boats might be down by 90. but make mistake, they're 90. but make no mistake, they're still coming. they're arriving 90. but make no mistake, they're stillhidingg. they're arriving 90. but make no mistake, they're stillhiding inthey're arriving 90. but make no mistake, they're stillhiding in the i're arriving 90. but make no mistake, they're stillhiding in the back'riving 90. but make no mistake, they're stillhiding in the back'riv the and hiding in the back of the trucks. the albanian gangs seek out polish trucks. the albanian gangs seek out drivers, polish trucks. the albanian gangs seek out drivers, they polish trucks. the albanian gangs seek out drivers, they pay )olish trucks. the albanian gangs seek out drivers, they pay them lorry drivers, they pay them to smuggle across and smuggle them across europe and then the channel the then across the channel in the back all this focus on back of all of this focus on rwanda, all of this focus on small boats. >> we expose on my show patrick christys 9 to 11 pm. christys tonight at 9 to 11 pm. that lorries is that the lorries issue is absolutely monumental and no one's that. one's talking about that. >> talking about that >> no one's talking about that because number because there was a big number last was many last year. it was many thousands, think, approaching thousands, i think, approaching 10,000, came illegally through other routes . and because of the other routes. and because of the 45,000 or so coming on the boats, that was the focus. but i've never quite believed about the albanian numbers declining . the albanian numbers declining. i sensed something else was going on. yeah. >> bear in mind that the human

traffickers we exposed yesterday are to blame for a large part of the reduction in the boats because to up because they're trying to up their prices by making it more of exclusive trip. that of an exclusive trip. if that makes sense. now we're makes sense. and now we're showing what's with showing what's going on with the lorries. reveals a lorries. mark white reveals a heck lot tonight between heck of a lot tonight between 911 on my show, patrick christys tonight. don't it. tonight. don't miss it. >> but i mean, >> absolutely right. but i mean, this is this whole rwanda policy is distract action from is a distract action from actually the boats, actually stopping the boats, processing quickly and processing people quickly and that becomes a proper that is then becomes a proper deterrent, doesn't it? yeah. >> well, this it. and he >> well, this is it. and he waxed lyrical again about waxed lyrical today again about the they're the deterrent that they're posing. that posing. we expose yesterday that people were just laughing at rwanda, was it was the rwanda, that it was it was the butt of joke. and it is butt of the joke. and it is still kind of el dorado here in the uk for a lot of people. >> and when christopher hope, the editor, asked the the political editor, asked the prime this morning prime minister this morning about he wasn't that he about that, he wasn't that he wasn't comfortable or wasn't that comfortable or amused, facts. boat crossings are down 30. >> boat crossings are down 30. yeah, but the facts that yeah, okay. but the facts that we show that we show you tonight show that the crossings are taking the lorry crossings are taking place at a pace. and i think thatis place at a pace. and i think that is what he doesn't want us to know. no.

>> and that's the point is we don't how big that don't know how big that percentage is the percentage is. but this is the point, folks, that the boats might be down 30. it's 30, might be down 30. it's still 30, 30,000 coming across 30,000 people are coming across this year alone. the cost of thatis this year alone. the cost of that is absolutely vast. i reckon that's over a billion in the first year. and then you've got huge number coming in the lorries. >> we've got footage of people getting into the lorries, the tactics they're using. and mark white on the ground white has been out on the ground with talk to these with his team to talk to these people well. so we've got it people as well. so we've got it straight from the horse's mouth tonight. >> absolutely unbelievable. make sure watch folks. it sure you watch that, folks. it is be fantastic show. is going to be a fantastic show. make course, you need make sure. of course, you need both tvs on to watch patrick and to you to vote to watch nigel, you need to vote . is question about . there is no question about that. got the qr code. that. you've got the qr code. i've read out the number. derek, i've read out the number. derek, i to just before i need to just check before signing you voted yet signing off. have you voted yet for nigel or you're so conflicted? i voted three times. >> you've voted times, but >> you've voted three times, but tonight my vote. one time. >> one time. and you've got >> just one time. and you've got to decision. derek. to make a decision. derek. >> did already. you did >> i did already. you did already? be voting already? yeah. i'll be voting for you, derek. for nigel. thank you, derek. >> i'll be back on

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