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be keeping you company >> i'll be keeping you company for the next three hours. >> top story today, rwanda or bust. it's the very definition of a lose lose when a plan pleases, nobody rushes v to on rwanda to soft for the tory right to hard for the tory wet . right to hard for the tory wet. where does he go next? a humiliating commons defeat could beckon next week . beckon next week. >> will rwanda sink ? sunak. >> will rwanda sink? sunak. >> will rwanda sink? sunak. >> next story with keir starmer. how did on a train by propane stein protesters and then followed to his hotel and harangued ed by socialists and the conservatives running a ad campaign giving the finger to laboun >> i'll ask where did politics go wrong? is politics in the gutter over in america? can anyone stop the trump train ? anyone stop the trump train? he's leading his rivals by a mile as they tear themselves apart in tv debates. he can't even be bothered to turn up at.
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he's neck and neck with biden , he's neck and neck with biden, and today, hunter biden is facing a second fresh criminal charge . get ready for the charge. get ready for the world's biggest temper tantrum because i think he'll be back. trump will return as president and finally, of course, it's that time of the week, the king of brexit. it needs to be crowned the king of the jungle. the big vote tonight. your country needs you . all of that country needs you. all of that coming up in the next hour. later in the show as well. we've got a fantastic explosive ulez exclusive. cops are saying a camera that was exposed loaded by a homemade bomb in south—east london and they are investigating that forensically as we speak. but we've got an eyewitness account who says there might be a bit more to it. all of that coming in the next houn all of that coming in the next hour. but first, your news headunes hour. but first, your news headlines with sanchez .
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headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> martin, thank you. 3:02. this is the latest from the newsroom. downing street has rejected claims mps were misled over the cost of the rwanda scheme. that's after it emerged costs have reached £240 million before any flights have taken off. ministers expect a further £50 million will be spent in the coming year . million will be spent in the coming year. prime minister rishi sunak, who is facing division within his party over the asylum plan, has vowed to finish the job. he's hoping to rush emergency legislation through with the through parliament with the first vote on tuesday . a 16 year first vote on tuesday. a 16 year old boy has been arrested on suspicion of murdering a woman who was shot dead in east london. 42 year old leanne gordon was killed in hackney on tuesday evening. she was one of three people found with gunshot wounds . is a three people found with gunshot wounds. is a 20 year old man and a 16 year old boy were taken to hospital. prince harry has lost a legal challenge in a libel claim against the publisher of
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the mail on sunday. it means the case must now go to trial. the duke of sussex is suing associated newspapers limited over an article about his legal challenge against the home office following changes to his security arrangements . his security arrangements. his lawyers say the story was an attack on his integrity and would undermine his charity work. associated newspapers limited argues it expressed honest opinion and caused no serious harm to prince harry's reputation . a blast that damaged reputation. a blast that damaged a ulez camera in south—east london has been described as grotesquely irresponsible by the london mayor's office. counter—terror police are leading an investigation into the incident , which leading an investigation into the incident, which happened in sidcup wednesday night. while sidcup on wednesday night. while it's being treated as it's not being treated as terrorism, the explosion is believed to have been a deliberate act . the decision to deliberate act. the decision to expand the ultra low emissions zone capital has led to zone in the capital has led to a surge vandalism . calls have surge in vandalism. calls have been made for a full investigation after thousands of people were left stranded on seven trains in west london. video on social media showed
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people huddled in darkness with many stuck in carriages for up to four hours last night. damage was caused to overhead wires after a train hit an obstruction outside london, paddington in which meant the power had to be switched off. the watchdog expressed concern over what it's calling the lack of communication and slow response time incident . it time to the incident. it meanwhile, trains in northern england have been cancelled as drivers take industrial action. it's the final day of rolling strikes by aslef union members, which have affected services across the country . northern across the country. northern trains and transpennine express passengers are being impacted . passengers are being impacted. the drivers are calling for an 8% increase over two years. the tuc is holding a special congress meeting to discuss the next steps of campaigning against the government's anti—strike laws regulations to ensure minimum levels of service came into force today. tuc assistant general secretary kate bell believes the laws have created a galvanising moment for the uk's trade union movement . the uk's trade union movement. >> it frankly, i think it's
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pretty insulting to our public sector workers who every day are out there protecting public safety in some of the hardest conditions we've seen for many , conditions we've seen for many, many years. to suggest that they do not have the interests of patients , they are taking strike patients, they are taking strike action to protect public safety because in investment, you know, the lack of staff retention is the lack of staff retention is the major issue , the lack of the major issue, the lack of staffing across our public services, pay and conditions is at the heart of that agenda. >> reform ruling has been described as a dark day for devolution by scotland's first minister. scotland's highest civil court found the government acted lawfully by blocking the controversial bill. the legislation, which makes it easier for people to change their legally recognised sex, received cross—party support in holyrood humza yousaf says sovereignty should lie with the people of scotland, not a westminster government, and the judgement confirms that devolution is fundamentally flawed . mourners have been flawed. mourners have been paying flawed. mourners have been paying tribute to the pogues
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frontman shane macgowan . frontman shane macgowan. meanwhile, singer galway bay and the bells were ringing out for christmas day. >> christmas hit fairytale of new york. >> just many of the songs sung as his cortege made its way through the streets of dublin. the singer died last week at the age of 65. the irish president and celebrities are expected to attend the funeral this is gb news across the uk on tv , in news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to . martin >> thank you, tatyana. now we've got a cracker of a show today. let's get ripping . the let's get ripping. the government could be open to compromises with rebel tory mps unhappy with rishi sunak's rwanda legislation . according to rwanda legislation. according to the migration the new legal migration minister. but downing street
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says they wouldn't pre—empt any deals ahead of the debate next week. and it comes as the cost of the rwanda plan has hit a staggering wait for it £240 million without a single flight to have taken off. good value for money. what downing street maintained that the prime minister did not mislead his mps over the price tag of the scheme after it emerged the uk paid kigali extra . an extra £100 kigali an extra. an extra £100 million well, to sink his teeth into this now is our political edhon into this now is our political editor, chris hope, who joins me in the studio. first of all, it's great to see you in the studio after at you down studio after staring at you down the all week. let's boil the line all week. let's boil this down to fact the tory this down to the fact the tory party almost forever broken party was almost forever broken by brexit. are we head in the same way? because, chris, i know you and i keep saying this, but it just seems like the same fissures , the same factions, the fissures, the same factions, the same movements are afoot. and what do you think it all boils down to? >> it comes to down down to one word. martin sovereignty. so
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brexit was about sovereign . it brexit was about sovereign. it was bringing it back. it was about bringing it back. it was about bringing it back. it was british people voting to transfer all that power influence over our lives. from brussels to london. and then people said to london, whitehall , right, it's on you now. you can't hide behind the apron strings or the skirts of people in in brussels. it's up to you now. you're on, you're on it. and arguably , they've kind of and arguably, they've kind of failed. they haven't really taken advantage the taken advantage of the opportunities them opportunities offered to them by the 2016. and that's the people in 2016. and that's why getting a bad why brexit is getting a bad name. brexit, that's why brexit is getting a bad name. sovereigntyit, that's why brexit is getting a bad name. sovereignty ., that's why brexit is getting a bad name.sovereignty . thist's why brexit is getting a bad name.sovereignty . this battle about sovereignty. this battle on it's battle on tuesday. and it's a battle royale for very soul of the royale for the very soul of the tory party which could sink the government. it probably won't, but sink the but it could sink the government. it's the most dangerous in rishi 14 dangerous point in rishi 14 month time as prime minister, there was no understating of that. it's a battle of the sovereignty of our courts. so we've done parliament that was brexit. the next battle is over courts because why is a judge's who he can't even name in strasbourg until recently? why
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are they making choices that govern our decisions that can overrule our parliament when our parliament might be voting next week to allow this this transfer of migrants from arriving illegally from the uk to rwanda? it's all about sovereignty . it's all about sovereignty. you've got the same teams lining up side. just finally up by the side. so just finally you've got the erg, the brexiteers, you've got the common sense group, the new conservatives, about 60 of them. they're running their rule over this bill this weekend , this 12 line bill this weekend, the star chamber of legal experts they'll come the star chamber of legal expe|on they'll come the star chamber of legal expe|on tuesday they'll come the star chamber of legal expe|on tuesday . they'll come the star chamber of legal expe|on tuesday . we'lll'll come the star chamber of legal expe|on tuesday . we'll bringme back on tuesday. we'll bring viewers the first result of that on tuesday at some point. on the other on left the party, other on the left of the party, about 100 mps in the one nation caucus. they're worried it's going way going too far the other way and resigning too from the human resigning too far from the human rights act and echr. so it's a very narrow ledge upon which rishi sunak is walking. but then thatis rishi sunak is walking. but then that is the nature of politics right now. it might seem mad to anyone the tory anyone outside the tory party but for who believe in but for tories who believe in brexit in sovereignty, in taking back control of our laws and our borders, this is fundamental to either that's why either in politics. that's why it here's a question
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it matters. here's a question for when it was the brexit for you when it was the brexit election in 2019, the people who didn't really believe in brexit were then the tory party. didn't really believe in brexit werthe en the tory party. didn't really believe in brexit werthe same tory party. didn't really believe in brexit werthe same peoplearty. didn't really believe in brexit werthe same people now who don't >> the same people now who don't really rwanda. really believe in rwanda. they gritted teeth and they got gritted their teeth and they got brexit done because had to brexit done because they had to get . but now it looks get elected. but now it looks like won't get elected. so like they won't get elected. so will they just follow what they want rather than what's for the good of the nation ? and i say good of the nation? and i say that because david frost, lord frost telegraph frost today in the telegraph said a labour win will be a disaster. but too many tories simply don't care. and he's talking tory mps don't talking about tory mps don't care if labour win because they would rather down on their would rather go down on their principles and do what the electorate what you electorate want. what do you reckon that? reckon to that? >> well, arguably electorate >> well, arguably the electorate want happen. they do want rwanda to happen. they do saying they? so you saying why don't they? so you talk to people, senior people in the home office, friends of robert jenrick, they would argue to that they that to me that they think that number 10 and other parts mps are insulated from the impact of the migration policies that we're talking about. yeah, our viewers see it in the fact they
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can't get a gp, the gp appointment, they can't get their kids into school because they're feeling a bit overwhelmed migration. overwhelmed by migration. and that's, the net, that's, that's, that's the net, the legal it . that's, that's, that's the net, the legal it. but that's, that's, that's the net, the legal it . but the the legal side of it. but the illegal seems lawless illegal side seems lawless jumping the queue and the pm gets that. he talked about the idea in that press conference yesterday. i'm a son of migrants. i why you want to migrants. i know why you want to come but equally, if you come here, but equally, if you can't just jump the queue and pay can't just jump the queue and pay £2,000 to come across in a small risking life, small boat risking your life, you've do it properly. you've got to do it properly. but yeah , people like mr but i think yeah, people like mr jenrick was would think i think that people in number 10 are cosseted from the reality. it's fascinating fascinating . i think fascinating fascinating. i think that jenrick is absolutely ally of sunak who was put in that job to keep an on suella to keep an eye on suella braverman the shadow , the former braverman the shadow, the former home he's almost home secretary. he's almost been radicalised what he's radicalised by seeing what he's seeing on migration, and that's turned kind of turned him into this kind of soft left tory into quite a hardline tory on immigration. and i saw the truth, he saw the facts because he's facing it every day. and i think that's the same anyone who's in the home office for long periods.
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they what they're up they see what they're up against. us against. the rest of us are insulated it, that's insulated from it, and that's the same government too. the same in in government too. i think the frustration think that's the frustration that aren't seeing, that other mps aren't seeing, the of the problems. the reality of the problems. >> if look these >> and if you look at these factions, the erg 40 votes, common sense 30 votes, factions, the erg 40 votes, comiconservatives, 30 votes, factions, the erg 40 votes, comiconservatives, 35 30 votes, factions, the erg 40 votes, comiconservatives, 35 votes, :es, new conservatives, 35 votes, there's some crossover there. >> yeah. so i'll be careful of those numbers. think. i think those numbers. i think. i think overall 60. >> ask you about >> i wanted to ask you about that. so one nation conservatives, 110 votes. but this and as this is this is oil and water as it brexit. it was with brexit. >> and the are in the >> and the rest are in the middle right. >> i'm saying to >> so what what i'm saying to you is, does rwanda need to happen to this party? does this party to be obliterated to party need to be obliterated to actually make it one party that's unify rather than, let's face it, a liberal democrat party with an old fashioned conservative party? >> it's got a chance sunak and he's political. maybe he's not very political. maybe why hasn't grasped it. why i think hasn't grasped it. but if he went full on to try and withdraw from elements of but if he went full on to try and echriraw from elements of but if he went full on to try and echr across»m elements of but if he went full on to try and echr across largeements of but if he went full on to try and echr across large areas; of the echr across large areas which the rwandans said they weren't going to do to allow it to ahead, be to make to go ahead, but to be to make it a choice in an election , an it a choice in an election, an back me. we pull out the echr
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just go bold and there's a chance i think to pull the party around but the left won't like that. we're back into this place of hard, soft brexit with the government. so it's fascinating andifs government. so it's fascinating and it's all going to play out live this this channel live on this on this channel over next few days. over the next few days. >> well, been a busy bee. >> well, you've been a busy bee. thank very always thank you very much. always a pleasure, chris. thank you very much us in the much for joining us in the studio. great have here. studio. great to have you here. moving now, police moving on now, french police officers gb news they moving on now, french police offi overwhelmed gb news they moving on now, french police offi overwhelmed byi news they moving on now, french police offi overwhelmed byi ne scale zy are overwhelmed by the scale of the crisis northern the migrant crisis in northern france and are struggling to make meaningful on france and are struggling to make trying ningful on france and are struggling to make trying torgful on france and are struggling to make trying to cross on france and are struggling to make trying to cross uk )n france and are struggling to make trying to cross uk by those trying to cross the uk by small boats and also inside lorries. although uk politicians are fixated on the very visible and high profile small boats crisis, thousands of migrants are still risking their lives to sneak onto the back of trucks. our home security has a milk. white witnessed the chaos around the port of calais as young men dice with death in their attempts to jump aboard uk bound lorries . lorries. >> all around the port of calais, even in broad daylight, these migrants are everywhere , these migrants are everywhere, looking for transport across the
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channel. there opportunists often young african men who have no money to buy a place on a small boat, opting instead to clamber aboard trucks through the security fence. this young man is trying to stay out of sight next to a roundabout, waiting for the moment. lorries slow down here in the hope of jumping aboard . and while uk jumping aboard. and while uk politicians are fixated with the small boats crisis , politicians small boats crisis, politicians here say the lorry crisis is just as bad . just as bad. >> there are clearly those who can afford a boat trip, but many, many others who have no money who see the lorries that pass through the port in their thousands as the only realistic way of getting to the uk via . way of getting to the uk via. >> and as bad as things are dunng >> and as bad as things are during daylight, it's at night when it truly gets crazy. here we're on our way to a lorry park
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on the outskirts of calais, where we're told that after dark , migrants appear looking for a suitable trailer to stow away inside for the journey to the uk . you don't have to look far to spot the migrants. they're everywhere here we film as one clambers into the back of this lorry. disappear out of sight every time a new truck parks up here within seconds, they're swarming around and checking the doors, probing for weak spots to get inside . those we spoke to get inside. those we spoke to are from sudan. they're here night after night. >> i have two months here. two months? yeah. >> trying every night. >> trying every night. >> yes. >> yes. >> and do they discover you on the lorries? do they find you? yeah >> yeah, i go to port security. take me. i go to port. yeah. like this every day. yeah. >> wow. and you're just going to keep trying until you get to the
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uk? yeah suddenly the migrant eights are on the run, scattering as an unmarked police vehicle enters the lorry park . vehicle enters the lorry park. but talking to these officers , but talking to these officers, as they tell us, they're completely overwhelmed by the scale of the migrant problem here. and despite the extra money from the uk , they say they money from the uk, they say they don't have the resources to make a meaningful impact on both the small boats and lorry crisis . small boats and lorry crisis. quite often when the migrants try to get in the back of these lorries , they end up damaging lorries, they end up damaging them, cutting the guide cables or sometimes even cutting their way through the roof. so what you is some of the you find is that some of the lorry drivers do this. they just leave their back door open so that people can see right down inside the lorry. they see it's empty. there's no point in getting into that lorry because they're going to be found out migrants after migrant tells the same story like majid here. it's london. they're determined to
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reach and you will keep trying to get to london. >> london? yes i go to london within minutes . within minutes. >> majid and his friends are around the latest lorry to arrive . eve. but the driver sees arrive. eve. but the driver sees them and tries , telling them them and tries, telling them there's no point in climbing aboard as he's heading to belgium, it's clear they don't believe him. and as he pulls out of the lorry park , unbelievably of the lorry park, unbelievably just visible on the roof. here is 15 year old majid . when we is 15 year old majid. when we catch up with the lorry on the motorway , the driver has motorway, the driver has discovered majid and another migrant pulling over as they jump migrant pulling over as they jump off. they're dicing with death. migrants have been injured and killed on these roads , but that doesn't put them roads, but that doesn't put them off. and they're more determined than ever to reach the uk . mark than ever to reach the uk. mark white gb news calais . white gb news calais. >> well, another astonishing,
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fabulous exclusive and mark white joins me now in the studio. what i find staggering about this, mark, is everybody thought, obviously wrongly, that this was over. that was the smuggling route of yesteryear . smuggling route of yesteryear. now it's all small boats. clearly that's not the case. >> well, since 2018, the small boats crisis has become the very visible manifestation of the migrant crisis. so people could be forgiven for perhaps thinking that the lorry crisis has gone away. but it hasn't. it never has . it's reduced a bit on where has. it's reduced a bit on where it was under theresa may's time at the home office , where she at the home office, where she put many millions of pounds toward the french government so that they could bolster the defences around calais . but defences around calais. but really all that does is push them back a bit so they're not right around the port, but they're further out of the town and the lorry parks and the roundabouts and junction cars, they're just waiting to get on they're just waiting to get on the lorries. and actually even further back, you know, they're
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away down in billowing and other locations northern france and locations in northern france and across the border in belgium in lorry parks. they're or they're controlled some of them, by these people smugglers who charge a small price to let them in and into the back of lorries . in and into the back of lorries. >> and all the numbers small or perhaps because they're not looking as much in this area as bill at brutalising. looking as much in this area as bill at brutalising . right. if bill at brutalising. right. if you if you put loads of breathalysers out, you'll catch more drink drivers. the more drink drivers. all the numbers possibly because numbers possibly down because they're paying all their attention boats and the attention to the boats and the beaches and not the ports. >> i think may be >> well, i think there may be something yeah so when something in that. yeah so when this a issue the this was a big issue before the people smugglers found out that, you know , you could put a boat you know, you could put a boat across the channel relative easy. was is of great concern easy. it was is of great concern . and at that time they were checking the vast majority of the lorries that went through the lorries that went through the port. we're told now that it's nowhere near that number, that it was that are being checked. still a sizeable number
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of being checked, though, because majid, there, this 15 year old lad, it's been there a couple of months trying night after night. if he gets on a lorry, he's often found in the port, but he's just going to keep on trying. and the reason is, martin, that they know that eventually they'll get through. and that's job done from their point of view . it take point of view. it might take them but they're not them a while, but they're not when know, taken when they're, you know, taken off the lorries, they're not arrested and deported or anything like that. they're just kicked up the backside, if you like. told toddle like. and just told to toddle off. and of course often they'll come back and they'll do it. that very same evening. >> and what happens the poor >> and what happens to the poor drivers well? drivers as well? >> driver is if they are >> the driver is if they are caught carrying migrants , even caught carrying migrants, even if they are unwittingly carrying migrants , then they will get migrants, then they will get fined. thousands of euros per migrant . now fined. thousands of euros per migrant. now there are some drivers , we're told, actually, drivers, we're told, actually, that are working in cahoots with the criminal gangs in the in the minority. of course . but that's minority. of course. but that's
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particularly true of the smuggling of albanians. particularly true of the smuggling of albanians . you smuggling of albanians. you remember that rishi sunak was seeing yesterday heralding this great success of a 90% reduction in the number of albanian cars coming across in small boats this year. that's because they've decided not to do that anymore and they've shifted back to the lorries and they're not waiting at the ports there to get on board these lorries, like the young african lads are doing . they are co—opting young, often polish lorry drivers up in eastern europe, sometimes near the border with belarus , russia the border with belarus, russia and what they're doing in the belarussian border is are paying them. they're getting on board. they're being driven right across europe and then across the tunnel or onto the ferries and very uk, very briefly, is it possible to quantify how many coming over to britain this way? no, because you know what no, because you only know what you the end of the day, you know. at the end of the day, they they certainly know that. you know. at the end of the day, they know, certainly know that. you know. at the end of the day, they know, cethinky know that. you know. at the end of the day, they know, cethink a (now that. you know. at the end of the day, they know, cethink a year that. you know. at the end of the day, they know, cethink a year before you know, i think a year before last was about 9000 were detected on the lorries . but
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detected on the lorries. but that's people that have been detected and pulled off the lorries. if you've not checked and they've got through, how would you know how many have actually got through to the uk ? actually got through to the uk? because they they're because there they go, they're off the illegal economy. so off into the illegal economy. so nobody really knows. just what the true number is. >> mark i know the fabulous exclusive. thanks for joining >> mark i know the fabulous exclusive. thanks forjoining me in the studio to share it with our viewers. excellent stuff. we'll on that we'll have lots more on that story throughout the show, of course. plenty of course. and there's plenty of coverage news coverage on our website. gb news dot helped to dot com. and you've helped to make fastest growing make it the fastest growing national the national news website in the country. you very much. country. so thank you very much. you're and listening you're watching and listening to gb up, we'll be gb news. coming up, we'll be discussing as favourite discussing gb news as favourite prince who lost the prince harry, who has lost the bid to throw out a newspaper. publishers defence to a libel claim . i'm publishers defence to a libel claim. i'm martin publishers defence to a libel claim . i'm martin daubney on gb claim. i'm martin daubney on gb news britain's news
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sunday mornings from 930 on . gb news. >> welcome back. 326 you're watching or listening to me martin daubney on gb news bring you all the latest until 6:00 this evening . now, brace this evening. now, brace yourselves because prince harry has lost a bid to throw out a newspaper publishers defence to a libel claim. the duke of sussex has sued associated newspapers over an article written last year regarding his action taken against the home office following a decision to change his security arrangements when he was in the uk. associated newspapers limited is contesting the claim, arguing the article expressed an honest
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opinion and did not cause serious harm to the prince's reputation. well outside the royal courts of justice is gb news london reporter lisa hoare . news london reporter lisa hoare. el tel. good afternoon, lisa. so the ginger winger has to face the ginger winger has to face the music after. the ginger winger has to face the music after . all the music after. all >> well, so when i first came across this story, i thought it was quite a complicated one. but when you break it down, it's quite so that article is quite simple. so that article is what all printed last what started it all printed last yean what started it all printed last year, discussing prince harry's battle with the home office over his his police protection when for him and his family, when they are in the uk. now prince harry's lawyers say that the article which claimed harry tried to keep details of his legal battle to reinstate his police protection secret from the public was an attack on his honesty and integrity and would undermine his charity work. now, today was all about the defence of the newspaper publishers. so we had a written response from
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the ruling, rather from the judge and add the defence that was in question. was it that it was in question. was it that it was an honest opinion piece? so this article, the publishers say wasn't your usual news piece with which was factual, it was an honest opinion. and that's their defence and that's what their defence and that's what the judge held up today. so if the judge held up today. so if the judge held up today. so if the judge had gone the other way and dismissed the defence case as harry prince harry's legal team had hoped, then perhaps this could have been settled out of court and it wouldn't have gone to trial. however, now with the judge ruling that he is going to uphold the defence, he said that unless a settlement is reached in the meantime in the meantime, sorry, then this will go ahead to trial at a date next year. yeah >> okay. thank you for that update , lisa hartle. there you update, lisa hartle. there you go update, lisa hartle. there you 9° ' update, lisa hartle. there you go , everybody. everybody has to go, everybody. everybody has to face the music in the end . okay, face the music in the end. okay, you're watching and listening to gb news. coming up, we'll be discussing whether donald trump
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will be the man selected as the republican candidate in next year's presidential election. and actually , i think we need to and actually, i think we need to get ready for this. he'll be back. get ready for this. he'll be back . my prediction, i bet £100 back. my prediction, i bet £100 on trump at about 5 to 1, about a year ago to be the next president. and at the moment, i can cash out for more than i put in the polls. have trump neck and neck with joe biden. he's miles ahead of any of his other candidates who ate themselves alive. and a tv debate this week. i want to bring you fully up to speed on this topic because i think we're going to witness the world's biggest temper tantrum . and trump will temper tantrum. and trump will be back . are we're going to have be back. are we're going to have greg swenson after the news to talk for this. he's the he's the chair of the republicans abroad. he will just boil this down. and on top of that, there's a fresh legal case against hunter biden. joe biden's son. will that scandal will also enshrine in and encapsulate joe biden . it's
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and encapsulate joe biden. it's going to be one heck of a circus. and that's coming after your news headlines with sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> it's 330. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom . in the newsroom. >> downing street has rejected claims the mps were misled over the cost of the rwanda scheme. that's after it emerged costs have reached £240 million before any flights have taken off. ministers expect a further 50 million will be spent in the coming year . the prime minister, coming year. the prime minister, rishi sunak, who's facing division within his party over the asylum plan, has vowed to finish the job. >> he's hoping to rush emergency legislation through parliament with the first vote on tuesday . with the first vote on tuesday. >> a 16 year old boy has been arrested on suspicion of murdering leon gordon in east london. the 42 year old was shot deadin london. the 42 year old was shot dead in hackney on tuesday evening. a 20 year old man and a 16 year old boy also suffered gunshot wounds.
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clearer skies through the midlands, southeastern areas of england before this england for a time before this next swathe of wet weather. you can see from the brighter colours there'll be some heavier bursts there and the further bursts in there and the further risk flooding for parts of risk of flooding for parts of somerset, dorset and devon. thanks to that heavy rain. so there will be some disruption on first thing on saturday morning if making plans for if you're making plans for saturday, related saturday, christmas related plans, do be aware of the wet weather. it trundles its way northward slowly through the day, but persists, giving some further for northern further heavy rain for northern ireland. and those winds up ireland. and those winds whip up as particularly through ireland. and those winds whip up as sea3articularly through ireland. and those winds whip up as sea coasts.arly through ireland. and those winds whip up as sea coasts where rough ireland. and those winds whip up as sea coasts where we gh ireland. and those winds whip up as sea coasts where we could irish sea coasts where we could see gusts of 60 to 70 miles an hour at damaging gusts in hour at times damaging gusts in places on the whole, it's quite a mild day , but won't be feeling a mild day, but won't be feeling particularly mild with that particularly mild with all that rain, drier , clearer rain, some drier, clearer conditions first thing sunday conditions first thing on sunday morning. yet again, we look morning. but yet again, we look out to the west and we see this next wet weather pushing next band of wet weather pushing its through its way in through the afternoon. be afternoon. but monday will be dneh afternoon. but monday will be drier. there will be some showers on tuesday then showers on tuesday and then signs things down by signs of things settling down by midweek bye for now .
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midweek. bye bye for now. >> welcome back . 334 you're >> welcome back. 334 you're watching. and listen to me. martin daubney on gb news bringing you all the latest until 6 pm. now the republican candidates for president largely avoided criticising frontrunner donald trump in their final tv debate outing in alabama this week. only chris christie, former governor of new jersey, dared to attack the former president. it comes as mr trump maintains a double digit lead over all the other contenders. can anybody stop the trump train? well one man who can answer that question joining me now in the studio is greg swensen, chair of republicans overseas . greg, it's always a overseas. greg, it's always a pleasure to see you. thank you so to see you. martin pleasure to see you. thank you so love to see you. martin pleasure to see you. thank you so love keep:o see you. martin pleasure to see you. thank you so love keep ouree you. martin pleasure to see you. thank you so love keep our viewers/iartin i'd love to keep our viewers abreast what's going on in abreast of what's going on in america. it's so high octane. it's it's going it's so exciting. and it's going to biggest circus on to be the biggest circus on earth. is it next november the 5th, showdown on. so the 5th, the big showdown on. so the fourth tv debate this week. let's start with that. trump, of course, doesn't even bother to
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turn up to them, but the others tore out of each other. tore chunks out of each other. >> yeah, think there was some >> yeah, i think there was some competition a lot of competition because a lot of these candidates are playing for number two, especially number two, or especially governor desantis and nikki haley. know, according to haley. you know, according to the polls anyway, it looks like they're playing to number for number two. but they have to number two. but so they have to compete with each other for sure. but i also think they were critical of trump. they just didn't do it in the way that that chris christie does. so chris christie kind chris christie brings kind of the syndrome the trump derangement syndrome element. you know, he's a dictator . element. you know, he's a dictator. he's going to ruin the republic. the democrats dictator. he's going to ruin the repu that the democrats dictator. he's going to ruin the repu that in the democrats dictator. he's going to ruin the repu that in 2016e democrats dictator. he's going to ruin the repu that in 2016 and mocrats dictator. he's going to ruin the repu that in 2016 and itocrats dictator. he's going to ruin the repu that in 2016 and it didn't said that in 2016 and it didn't really turn out that way. so i think desantis and haley have to be a little more careful because you don't want to offend the voters. and i think that's the one mistakes hillary one of the mistakes hillary clinton biden is clinton made. and joe biden is making mistake. making the same mistake. >> the >> the deplorables, the deplorables . deplorables. >> exactly. and that's what biden's doing with the ultra maga and hillary did with the deplorables . so i think that's deplorables. so i think that's a mistake. i think you have to respect voters. i think both
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respect the voters. i think both governor haley and governor desantis are doing that. >> you look at the polling, >> when you look at the polling, trump just unassailably trump just seems unassailably ahead. trump just seems unassailably ahead . he's trump just seems unassailably ahead. he's on trump just seems unassailably ahead . he's on 59.6% to take the ahead. he's on 59.6% to take the primacy. so that means he'll be elected as the candidate. keep it simple for brit. so it means that he's far and far ahead to be the likely choice of the republican candidate . republican candidate. >> yes, he is right now . and now >> yes, he is right now. and now a lot of things can change because you've got all these these trials up . you've these trials coming up. you've got you've got , you got his age, you've got, you know, a 24 hour news cycle. you just, you know, he changes his his views and makes comments consistently. so you know, he could blow up. i don't know that he will. but remember also that, you he's polling at let's you know, he's polling at let's call it 60 in the republican party. doesn't mean he'd do party. that doesn't mean he'd do well with independents and moderates. he's doing well right now because is doing so now because biden is doing so poorly. so not really that poorly. so it's not really that trump is great. remember, an incumbent president, which trump almost is should be polling at 90 or higher. and whenever they poll below 90, they lose in the general election. i think
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general election. so i think that's biggest fear of trump. that's my biggest fear of trump. 2.0 is his first term. wasn't that successful or better than biden? better than obama, of course. but it's all relative . i course. but it's all relative. i think governor desantis would be a much better president, much more disciplined and actually get some of the things done, get those things done that trump promised 16 and didn't really accomplish. >> it's interesting you say >> it's interesting what you say about the biden effect because, of course , do you think it's of course, do you think it's going was in 2019in of course, do you think it's going was in 20 19in the uk? >> jeremy corbyn became the conservatives best asset. he was like their man on the bench, which biden seen as this kind which is biden seen as this kind of blundering liability and therefore the republicans would love to face him. >> absolutely. i mean, he's he's a great candidate to run against and biden is the only one possibly that trump could beat. trump is the only one that biden could beat, could beat. that's not those aren't the candidates you want, you know, unfortunately. so if you look at the now, is up 4 to the polls now, trump is up 4 to 8, in the swing 8, especially in the swing states. but if it's if the polls ask the question about biden
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versus i mean, trump versus a genenc versus i mean, trump versus a generic democrat , the generic generic democrat, the generic democrat wins by eight. so the first party that pulls the trigger and selects an alternate candidate, not biden, not trump, they're going to win . they're going to win. >> it's interesting. there's some polling this week on tuesday, the economist has biden on 43, trump on 42. so neck and neck. but some polls from last week have trump 8% ahead in a head to head against biden. it's very , very looking likely. if very, very looking likely. if it's a straight reshoot of last time around , trump is going to time around, trump is going to edge it. >> if it were today or tomorrow. but the problem is these things can move around . and look how can move around. and look how close the election was in 16 and in you had two flawed in 20, you had two flawed candidates. in 2016, hillary might be the only one that trump could have beat, just like i mentioned biden and trump. and now and in 2020. so these aren't the candidates you want. you want a candidate that can win the popular vote. you want a candidate that can that can win independents comfortably and
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also win republicans. so you know, i think i think nikki haley's got a lane. she's got the never—trumper lane. she's got the more moderate. and even some democrats , she's getting some democrats, she's getting support democratic donors . support from democratic donors. that's not a good sign because that's derangement that's trump derangement syndrome. hate trump syndrome. again, they hate trump so that they're willing to so much that they're willing to support republican to keep him support a republican to keep him from being president. >> can i ask you can i ask you how much of an immigration election is it going to be next time around uk? time around in the uk? >> heading down that >> it's heading right down that track. what's happening track. you know what's happening domestically. big domestically. we see the big broad brushstrokes uk broad brushstrokes in the uk from but we see what's from america, but we see what's happening on the border. on your southern border, we see coach loads of asylum seekers being ferried across the usa and i'm seeing a lot of people resisting that. how big an issue is immigration going to be in america? >> it's huge . the number one >> it's huge. the number one issue will probably and usually issue will probably and usually is . and people are is the economy. and people are feeling pinched . biden's polling feeling pinched. biden's polling very low on both. he's polling in the low 30s on the economy and inflation and on the border.
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the border is not going away. biden could fix it. he could try to pivot bit, help this to pivot a bit, help this ukraine funding get through by pivoting on on the border policy . he opened up the border. we have 8 million illegals. so i think he would do that because that's a trumpian policy. he might he might he's at might he might he's hinted at it. and he's and his hand is being forced by the republicans, both the senate and mike both by the senate and mike johnson in the house, because the republicans want to fix the border problem . that's 8 million border problem. that's 8 million going on, ten by the end of biden's term. and it's really hurting. it's really hurting the democrats in the polls. 70% of americans think that his policy is flawed or failure is a failure. so this is something that will be a huge election liability for biden. and the democrats and how febrile . democrats and how febrile. >> well, let's just play, you know, several chess moves ahead here. let's just say donald trump is elected as the next president of the usa. how febrile a societal issue could that become? we've seen race riots , black lives matter
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riots, black lives matter before. we've seen burning cities. could that happen if he wins? >> i would imagine there's some social unrest now. i wouldn't argue to not vote for him because of that reason . that's because of that reason. that's not necessarily to him . the not necessarily fair to him. the trump syndrome that trump derangement syndrome that we saw in his first term, it's astonishing. most of it was unfair, he says things that unfair, he says some things that sometimes clumsy , to say the sometimes are clumsy, to say the least. you what he least. but you know what he actually more actually did? he governed more conservatively. the left doesn't like that because they don't like that because they don't like conservative policy . he like conservative policy. he they redistribution . they they like redistribution. they like open borders. so this is this is something that the flawed policies of the democrats , you know, biden has embraced them . trump pushed back against them. trump pushed back against them. trump pushed back against them . he did most of the things them. he did most of the things he succeeded with in his first term. martin were a basic down the middle conservative policies , deregulation, tax reform, conservative judges, those were all managed quite well by people he trusted and people he appointed . but this he trusted and people he appointed. but this is he trusted and people he appointed . but this is what appointed. but this is what nikki and ron have pointed out. those people won't be back for a second term. so i think their
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criticism is valid that trump 2.0 will probably even be less effective than trump. >> first term. >> first term. >> and briefly , hunter biden is >> and briefly, hunter biden is back in the news cycle today. a second criminal charge going in against him. how much of a liability of an issue would that be, do you think, for joe liability of an issue would that be, do you think, forjoe biden? be, do you think, for joe biden? the press in america seems to do their best to bury the laptop and everything so far, but could this one bite? no, they've done a great job so far. >> they'll continue to do it. they'll look after hunter. but some the that are some of the things that are coming now, they really coming out now, they really can't . they good job can't bury. they did a good job burying but it's not burying it in 2020, but it's not about hunter. it's about joe. and that's what the election liability is, the tax liability issue. it's not a wayward son. it's the fact that he brought wayward son on air force one. air force two back when he was vice president, air force two back when he was vice president , recently brought vice president, recently brought him ireland on a trip. state him to ireland on a trip. state dinners. that's what's going to hurt biden because he's lied blatantly. on wednesday, he denied ever talking to hunter or his associates about their
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business, denied it three times. it was like saint peter on holy thursday, you know, like you can't get away with that. and of course , was a post course, he was asked by a post new post reporter who just new york post reporter who just was rotation if he if he was on the rotation if he if he didn't if it wasn't his turn, that question wouldn't have been asked mainstream press. asked by the mainstream press. for good post asking it. for good the post for asking it. he three times in one he lied three times in one statement, and that's this is about joe. it's not about hunter i >> -- >> okay. >> okay. >> greg swenson, always a pleasure. super to be brought up to speed. it's going to be the greatest show on earth, and it's next november 5th. greg next november the 5th. greg swenson, of course, the chair of republican fans overseas watching to gb watching and listening to gb news. coming up, we'll be discussing whether in discussing whether politics in the is in gutter. here is the uk is in the gutter. here is labour leader sir keir starmer being mobbed at glasgow central station last night by pro—palestinian protesters. this and much more to come next. i'm martin daubney on gb news britain's news channel
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me, michael portillo gb news britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> welcome back. >> welcome back. >> 347 you're watching and listening to me martin daubney on gb news bring you all the latest until 6:00 this evening. now the labour leader , sir keir now the labour leader, sir keir starmer, had a far from peaceful journey to scotland last night . journey to scotland last night. a video has emerged of a pro—palestine demonstrator confronting starmer as he travelled to glasgow, trying to mind his own business, asking how many children needed to die before he called for a ceasefire. as if it's got
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anything to do with starmer, he's not in control of this war. he's not even control of this country. but the protests actor was eventually removed out of the carriage by starmer team. he may have been deserve being a bit more than being moved , if bit more than being moved, if you ask me. but things didn't calm down once. sir keir starmer stepped foot in glasgow station as a group of pro—palestine activists greeted him on arrival, a far from warm greeting stone faced criticism for refusing to back a ceasefire in gaza, but the party leadership in favour of calling for humanitarian pauses to allow people to leave gaza and for aid to enter . later, the protest to enter. later, the protest continued outside the crowne plaza hotel , where scottish plaza hotel, where scottish labour leader anas sarwar also came in for criticism from protesters. two people have been charged in connection with alleged disorder offences . now alleged disorder offences. now what do you make of that? later on in the show i want to talk to you and ask you the question is politics in the gutter for nigel
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farage had milkshake thrown at him during the election in 2019 and people seem to find that quite funny. on the political left. it's like, oh, he deserves it. know, if you're it. you know, if you're a fascist, take was like, fascist, take that it was like, you know, seen as you know, this was seen as something it actually something laudable. it actually gave brexit party loads and gave the brexit party loads and loads votes because loads of extra votes because guess people don't like guess what? people don't like bullies . the queen. to this bullies. the queen. back to this debate the show . as you debate later in the show. as you can gets me under can tell, it gets me hot under the collar. let's just stop bullying politicians. all right. moving on, the scottish government has 21 days to appeal against a ruling which confirmed the uk government's were lawful in blocking new gender reform legislation from becoming law . legislation from becoming law. the legislation made it easier for people to change their legally recognised sex, remove the need for trans people to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria , diagnosed with gender dysphoria, fear before being allowed to legally change their sex and also lowered the age. someone can apply for a gender recognition certificate from 18 to 16. now that's a lot to get your head around, so let's try and break that down and join me
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now is conservative mp for scottish parliament, rachael hamilton . rachel in essence, hamilton. rachel in essence, what happened here? forgive me if i'm wrong, is that scotland wanted to have it's a more extreme scheme. you could call it progressive way of dealing with this issue to allow people to change their gender earlier and easier without seeing a doctor. britain and the uk said no and the uk has one. >> so this time last year we were spending hours upon end debating about the gender recognition reform. >> the scottish conservatives raised concerns around the self—id system that the snp, scottish government wanted to bnngin scottish government wanted to bring in to scotland. >> now we knew that that would have an impact on the operation of the equality act and it would also have an impact on reserved matters that do operate across great britain. so it was a really concerning bit of legislation , but also the main
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legislation, but also the main reason that we didn't vote for this legislation was that it would have had an impact on the protection of women and girls . protection of women and girls. and we know that self—id system subsequently did have an impact because isla bryson after raping two women, was then placed in a female estate after for changing gendeh >> can i ask you at that point, that's when i think most people had this awakening. it's like what fresh madness is going on north of the border and it seems the scottish people agreed . and the scottish people agreed. and i mean, it brought down it helped bring the snp helped to bring down the snp leader, nicola sturgeon. there were matters, but at that were other matters, but at that point why didn't they say this is the wrong horse to back ? why is the wrong horse to back? why did they carry on? >> you're absolutely right. the pubuc >> you're absolutely right. the public were very concerned about this particular bit of legislation . and as you will legislation. and as you will remember, there were seven backbench rebellion , which backbench rebellion, which nicola sturgeon had never had before. and of course, you know , before. and of course, you know, it was one of the reasons that she left the position of first minister. so we had we were
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right to be concerned. and alister jack, the secretary of state for scotland, was right to block it with a section 35, which of course was something that the devolution settlement allowed for . and if there was allowed for. and if there was a concern about a particular piece of legislation , then that the uk of legislation, then that the uk government were able to block it with a section 35 and lady haldane in this situation through the court of sessions, ruled with the uk government and said that alister jack was absolutely right to do that. and in fact the legal argument at that the scottish government made did not stack up. >> just play devil's advocate . >> just play devil's advocate. is this really about gender recognition or is it about devolution of power? we saw this a lot during covid. we saw scotland and wales wanting to be more bold with laws to try and putits more bold with laws to try and put its own laws in place in a sense, to go to war with westminster is that a part of this too? >> well, of course the greens are in a coalition with the snp in scotland because the snp
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didn't get a majority , so they didn't get a majority, so they needed to form those numbers so that they could pass legislation, but also so at the time they thought that they could bring forward an independent referendum for the second time and that is where the difficulty lies because the greens red line is in this bill. >> it's the gender recognition reform bill. so the question is will humza yousaf listen to patrick harvie and lorna slater and appeal lady haldane's judgement on this because actually it's a very common early decision. it costs a quarter of 1 million to 2. originally we take this to a legal challenge and now they'll have to very carefully consider whether they take it to appeal. and that could actually be the downfall of that green and snp coalition. >> but a victory for common sense is you're absolutely superb. >> okay. thank you very much for joining me in the studio. rachael hamilton excellent. now why don't we talk about our man in the jungle, nigel farage yes,
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of course. he's still in there . of course. he's still in there. and if you want to register to vote to vote for farage, you need to grab your scan the qr grab your phone and scan the qr code your screen right now code on your screen right now and download and as and download the app. and as nigel said, you get five nigel has said, you get five free votes every day for him. you're watching and listen to gb news. plenty more to come in just moment. i'm martin just a moment. i'm martin daubney this is daubney on gb news. this is britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello, we've got further wet weather to come over the next 24 hours. still got some rain this evening in the north. some clearer spells for a time before it turns wetter and windier from the southwest. later on. and that's all down to this area of low pressure that slides away as we through tonight. but we head through tonight. but then this next weather system pushes way from the pushes its way up from the southwest, bringing those stronger winds. but still for a time, some heavy rain and a weather warning in place for
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parts of southwest scotland through the as that through the evening as that pushes way eastwards, pushes its way eastwards, some clearer skies through the midlands, areas of midlands, southeastern areas of england time before this england for a time before this next swathe of wet weather. you can see from the brighter colours there'll be some heavier bursts and the further bursts in there and the further risk of flooding for parts of somerset, dorset and devon thanks to that heavy rain . so thanks to that heavy rain. so there will be some disruption. first thing on saturday morning if you're making for if you're making plans for saturday, related saturday, christmas related plans, do be aware of the wet weather. it trundles its way northwards slowly through the day, persists, giving some day, but persists, giving some further heavy rain for northern ireland winds whip up ireland and those winds whip up as particularly through as well, particularly through irish where we could irish sea coasts where we could see 60 to 70 miles an see gusts of 60 to 70 miles an hour at times damaging gusts in places on the whole, it's quite a mild day, but won't be feeling particularly mild all that particularly mild with all that rain. clearer rain. some drier, clearer conditions first thing on sunday morning. yet again, we look morning. but yet again, we look out to the west we see this out to the west and we see this next of wet weather pushing next band of wet weather pushing its in the its way in through the afternoon. but monday be afternoon. but monday will be dneh afternoon. but monday will be drier. there will be some
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we've got a cracking hour ahead. top story can only be rwanda or bust is rishi's v to deal turning into a £240 million debt owed duck in the water too soft for the tory right? too hard for the tory wets. is it doomed to failure? will rishi face a humiliating rebellion and vote down on this deal in the commons next week? in short, will rwanda sink sunak next question. we saw last night keir starmer harangued and harassed by palestinian supporters on a train to glasgow , hounded out of train to glasgow, hounded out of the station, follow row to his hotel abuse by people on the ground. palestine supporters and socialists . and at the same time socialists. and at the same time the conservative party putting an advert out, giving the finger to the labour party. my question is simple is british politics in the absolute gutter ? next story
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the absolute gutter? next story a gb news exclusive reports came in overnight of an ulez camera had been bombed with a homemade improvised explosive device. according to the police . but according to the police. but we've got an eyewitness accounts and an exclusive video asking very, very different questions about what actually happened to that camera. you will not want to miss that. and of course , to miss that. and of course, it's that time of the week. nigel wants you to vote remain for the first time ever for him to remain in the jungle. let's make the king of brexit the king of the jungle. all of that in the next hour . do you think that the next hour. do you think that rwanda is just a new brexit? they can't agree on it. they can't get their act together . can't get their act together. they won't listen to the electorate. and frankly , this electorate. and frankly, this time around, a few of you had enough. is it time for a hard reset to get the tories out of office and let's rebuild a party
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that's actually conservative? let them know what you think in the usual way. vaiews@gbnews.com. and please stick around for that. ulez exclusive. it's absolutely explosive of all of that after your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> good afternoon. it's 4:02. >> good afternoon. it's 4:02. >> i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom . newsroom. >> downing street has rejected claims mps were misled over the cost of the rwanda scheme . cost of the rwanda scheme. that's after it emerged costs have reached £240 million before any flights have taken off. ministers expect a further 50 million will be spent in the coming year . million will be spent in the coming year. rishi sunak, who's facing division within his party over the asylum plan , has vowed over the asylum plan, has vowed to finish the job. he's hoping to finish the job. he's hoping to rush emergency legislation through parliament with the first vote on tuesday . a 16 year first vote on tuesday. a 16 year old boy has been arrested on suspicion of murdering a woman who was shot dead in east
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london. 42 year old leanne gordon was killed in hackney on tuesday evening . she was one of tuesday evening. she was one of three people found with gunshot wounds , a 20 year old man and wounds, a 20 year old man and a 16 year old boy were taken to hospital. prince harry has lost a legal challenge in a libel claim against the publisher of the mail on sunday. it means the case must go to trial . the duke case must go to trial. the duke of sussex is suing associate covid newspapers limited over an article about his legal challenge against the home office following changes to his security arrangements. his lawyers say the story was an attack on his integrity and would undermine his charity work. associate newspapers limited argues it express honest opinion and caused no serious harm to prince harry's reputation in a blast that damaged a ulez camera in south—east london has been described as grotesquely irresponsible by the london mayor's office. counter—terror police are leading an investigation into the incident, which happened at sidcup on wednesday night. which happened at sidcup on
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wednesday night . while it's not wednesday night. while it's not being treated as terrorism , the being treated as terrorism, the explosion is believed to have been a deliberate act. the decision to expand the ultra low emission zone in the capital has led to a surge in vandalism . led to a surge in vandalism. calls have been made for a full investigation after thousands of people were left stranded on seven trains in west london. video on social media showed people huddled in darkness, with many stuck in carriages for up to four hours last night. damage was caused to overhead wires after a train hit an obstruction outside london paddington, which meant the power had to be switched off. the public transport watchdog says it's concerned by the lack of communication and slow response time . meanwhile trains in time. meanwhile trains in northern england have been cancelled as drivers take industrial action. it's the final day of rolling strikes by aslef union members, which have affected services across the country . northern trains and country. northern trains and transpennine express passengers are being impacted and the drivers are calling for an 8% pay drivers are calling for an 8%
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pay increase over the next two years . the tuc pay increase over the next two years. the tuc is holding a special congress meeting to discuss the next steps of campaigning against the government's anti—strike laws, regulations to ensure minimum levels of service came into force today. tuc assistant general secretary kate bell believes the laws have created a galvanising moment for the uk's trade union movement . frankly, trade union movement. frankly, i think it's pretty insulting to our public sector workers who every day are out there protecting public safety in some of the hardest conditions we've seen for many, many years. to suggest that they do not have the interests of patient rights, they are taking strike to action protect public safety because investment, you know, the lack of staff retention is the major issue. the lack of staffing across our public services, pay and conditions is at the heart of that agenda. reform ruling has been described as a dark day for devolution by scotland's first minister, scotland's highest civil court found the government acted lawfully by
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blocking the controversial bill. the legislation, which makes it easier for people to change their legally recognised sex, received cross—party support in holyrood . humza yousaf says holyrood. humza yousaf says sovereignty should lie with the people of scotland , not a people of scotland, not a westminster government, and the judgement confirms that devolution is fundamentally flawed . the funeral for the flawed. the funeral for the pogues frontman shane macgowan is being held in ireland and you told me all, all your joy , you told me all, all yourjoy, you kwarteng ever happened . to land kwarteng ever happened. to land 0 song to all those little girls and boys . 0 song to all those little girls and boys. family friends, politicians and celebrities , politicians and celebrities, including hollywood actor johnny including hollywood actorjohnny depp , have all gathered to pay depp, have all gathered to pay their final respects at saint mary of the rosary church in
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county tipperary . earlier, county tipperary. earlier, mourners lined the streets and sang some of the band's hits as his cortege made his way through the streets of dublin . this is the streets of dublin. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news and now its back to . martin back to. martin >> thank you sophia. lets get stuck into a juicy hour now. and first with the infighting raging within the conservative party over rishi sunaks rwanda legislation an the government could be open to compromises with rebel unhappy tory mps, according to the new legal migration minister. but downing street says they wouldnt pre—empt any deals ahead of the debate next week. meanwhile the home office's top civil servant has been accused of an extreme lack of respect for commons committees over the disclosure of the price tag of the scheme
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because that cost of the rwanda plan has now rocketed to an eye—watering are you ready for this? £240 million without a single flight even leaving the ground? its an astonishing thing. amount of money if you think about it. £240 million. they sent three home secretaries. priti patel suella braverman and james cleverly and not a single person has even been deported. okay, have we got our guests? okay, so lets get the view now from kigali. adam bradford is a resident of rwanda. he is now the. thanks for joining us on the show , for joining us on the show, adam. its become a huge political football in britain, rwanda, the huge sums of money, £240 million, as you just heard . £240 million, as you just heard. its dividing the tory party right down the middle, the same as we saw with brexit. its causing a political war between the labour party and the
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conservative party one that could bring down the government and be a defining act of the next general election. meanwhile you're sitting in rwanda . what's you're sitting in rwanda. what's the reaction to the whole debacle in your home country where you sit in now ? where you sit in now? >> yeah , thanks. i mean, i think >> yeah, thanks. i mean, i think over here there's a lot of confusion and i think a lot of kind of undue criticism thrown at rwanda because of the way that this has been handled. i mean, there's no issue over here with the deal at all. our government back in the uk obviously set out this big policy to stop the boats . and i policy to stop the boats. and i think this is a it's a it's a new a novel way of doing it. but rwanda has got the resources. his it's got the safety . it's his it's got the safety. it's not as if they're just going to come here and do nothing. the people come here, they'll be people who come here, they'll be trained, they'll be housed, they'll be put into work . um, they'll be put into work. um, you know, there's a lot of rhetoric thrown about rwanda being unsafe, you know ,
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being unsafe, but, you know, ironically, that's coming from the unhcr, who are the same people who worked with the government to here bring libyan refugees into the country. so there's a lot of hypocrisy and political, like you said, footballing happening . but from footballing happening. but from rwanda's point of view, what's the problem ? the problem? >> yeah, well, exactly what is the problem? i mean, there's a heck of a lot of money being given to rwanda, presumably . the given to rwanda, presumably. the locals are very happy about a cash injection . and not only cash injection. and not only that, but a political partnership with britain. the mother of all democracies. you'd assume from a perspective of people who live in rwanda. this this is a win win scenario . yeah this is a win win scenario. yeah >> and i've seen some of the kind of traditional media who would report on this story in a very different way to perhaps the way gb news is. and they would say that it's an unsafe country. and rwanda's took advantage of the cash and they're incredible things to say because it's just completely
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biased. i mean, i think our politicians need to have a bit of a wake up call to see the reality of rwanda and how safe and progressive it actually is. i've lived and worked for here a year and a half and actually feel much safer in this city in this country than on the streets of london, because , you know, of london, because, you know, there's probably more chance of me getting stabbed or attacked there than in kigali , where there than in kigali, where there's virtually no crime whatsoever . whatsoever. >> and in terms of work , adam, >> and in terms of work, adam, because a key part of this legislation , charleton, is that legislation, charleton, is that anybody who is refused an asylum claim, if they were granted an asylum claim, they would be able to return to the uk. if they were refused an asylum claim, they deported back they would not be deported back to host, their origin to their host, their origin nafion to their host, their origin nation . they would stay in nation. they would stay in rwanda and they would work . now, rwanda and they would work. now, as understand it, adam, there as i understand it, adam, there is appetite for immigrant is a huge appetite for immigrant labour and lots of work to get weaving . on. weaving. on. >> yeah, 100. i mean, there's a lot happening in, in technology. there's a huge need for
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hospitality employees as people working in public sector , people working in public sector, people working in public sector, people working in public sector, people working in businesses here, small and large. i mean , you small and large. i mean, you know, don't speak for rwanda, but all i can say is that i've had positive experiences seeing the way that they are encouraging businesses and investors to come here to you know, i'm one of those people who's been able to find a lot of opportunities to here grow. what we've done as an organisation with our partners and, you know, even with some of the ones who are looking for people to work for us. so it's a complete myth that there's something wrong with here or there's no good work or it's unsafe if i just think our government needs to get on with it and our mps needs to get their act together to be honest. >> well, i think that's a great place to leave adam, you've place to leave it. adam, you've hit the head. hit the nail on the head. adam bradford rwanda. bradford from kigali, rwanda. this he he this guy lives there. he he experienced it. he knows what he's talking about. and perhaps we listen people that we should listen to people that actually have an eye on the ground rather than of
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ground rather than the kind of rhetoric it's third rhetoric that it's the third world hellhole where nobody will be and they'll be thrown to be safe and they'll be thrown to the paints a very the wolves. it paints a very different you different picture if you actually people on actually speak to people on the ground. try ground. and that's what we try and at gb news. thank you, and do at gb news. thank you, adam bradford. french adam bradford. now, french police have told gb police officers have told gb news they are overwhelmed by the scale of the migrant crisis in northern and are northern france and are struggling make meaningful struggling to make a meaningful impact trying to cross impact on those trying to cross to the uk by small boats and also inside lorries. although uk politicians are fixated on the very visible and high profile small boats crisis , as thousands small boats crisis, as thousands of migrants are still risking their lives to sneak onto the back of trucks and our home security editor mark white, witnessed the chaos around the port of calais as young men dice with death in their attempts to jump with death in their attempts to jump aboard uk bound lorries . jump aboard uk bound lorries. >> all around the port of calais, even in broad daylight, these migrants are everywhere looking for transport across the channel are opportunists often young african men who have no
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money to buy a place on a small boat, opting instead to clamber aboard trucks through the security fence . this young man security fence. this young man is trying to stay out of sight. next to a roundabout, waiting for the moment. lorries slow down here in the hope of jumping aboard while the uk politicians are fixing did with the small boats crisis , politicians here boats crisis, politicians here say the lorry crisis is just as bad . bad. >> there are clearly those who can afford a boat trip, but many, many others who have no money who see the lorries that pass through the port in their thousands as the only realistic way of getting to the uk . way of getting to the uk. >> and as bad as things are dunng >> and as bad as things are during daylight, it's at night when it truly gets crazy here, we're on our way to a lorry park on the outskirts of calais, where we're told that after
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dark, my parents appear looking for a suitable trailer to stow away inside for the journey to the uk. you don't have to look far to spot the migrants . far to spot the migrants. they're everywhere here we film as one clambers into the back of this lorry. this appearing out of sight every time a new truck parks up here, within seconds, they're swarmed around checking they're swarmed around checking the doors , probing for weak the doors, probing for weak spots to get inside those. we spoke to are from sudan. they're here night after night. >> i have two months here, two months? yeah. >> trying every night. yes. and do they discover you on the lorries? do they find you? >> yeah, i go to port security . >> yeah, i go to port security. they take me. i go to work. yeah like this every day. yeah >> wow. and you're just going to keep trying until you get to the uk? yeah suddenly the migrants
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are on the run, scattering as an unmarked police vehicle enters the lorry park . unmarked police vehicle enters the lorry park. but unmarked police vehicle enters the lorry park . but talking to the lorry park. but talking to these officers, they tell us they're completely overwhelmed by the scale of the migrant problem here. and despite the extra money from the uk, they say they don't have the resources to make a meaningful impact on both the small boats and lorry crisis . quite often and lorry crisis. quite often when the migrants try to get in the back of these lorries, they end up damaging them, cutting the guide cables or sometimes even cutting their way through the roof. so what you find is that some of lorry drivers that some of the lorry drivers do this. just leave their do this. they just leave their back door open that people back door open so that people can see right down inside the lorry. they see it's empty. there's no point in getting into that lorry because they're going to be found out by migrants after migrant tell us the same story . like majid here. it's story. like majid here. it's london. they're determined to reach and you will keep trying to get to london. >> london? yes i go to london
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within minutes. >> majid and his friends are around the latest lorry to arrive . but the driver sees them arrive. but the driver sees them and tries, telling them there's no point in climbing aboard. and tries, telling them there's no point in climbing aboard . as no point in climbing aboard. as he's heading to belgium , it's he's heading to belgium, it's clear they don't believe him. and as he pulls out of the lorry park , unbelievably just visible park, unbelievably just visible on the roof. here is 15 year old majid . when we catch up with the majid. when we catch up with the lorry on the motorway , the lorry on the motorway, the driver has discovered majid and another migrant pulling over as they jump . off they're dicing they jump. off they're dicing with death . the migrants have with death. the migrants have been injured and killed on these roads, but that doesn't put them off. and they're more determined than ever to reach the uk . mark than ever to reach the uk. mark white gb news calais astonishment report by mark white and other superb exclusive. >> the guys on a roll now the executive director of migration
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watch mike jones joins me now to discuss this. mike welcome to the show. always a pleasure . the show. always a pleasure. look, we're heading towards an immigration an election, whether the party is like it or lump it and it never rains, it pours and it never rains, but it pours for rishi sunak. he focuses on the boats which he can't stop. the only boats he's stopped is the bibby stockholm. and now it almost feels like we're back to the future. mike we thought erroneously , that the lorries as erroneously, that the lorries as a method of entry to the uk had gone. a method of entry to the uk had gone . but now mike white's gone. but now mike white's report draws a line on the fact actually this is still prevalent andifs actually this is still prevalent and it's still a stubborn problem . problem. >> yeah, it's the situation is anarchic and there's a bit of a misconception here that the lorries issue went away . lorries issue went away. >> i mean, since 2014 there were an estimated 70 000 plus deaths connected in clandestine lorry entries . and to put that in some entries. and to put that in some perspective , that's equivalent perspective, that's equivalent to the capacity of old trafford football stadium . you know, we football stadium. you know, we
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are migrationwatch using official home office data found that 9000 migrants reached the uk hidden in lorries in 2021 and that was a 30% increase on the previous year. so your reporter there in calais is spot on and mike, we're hearing reports that because, of course, album indians are now turned away because albania has been declared a safe country, clandestine arrangements between truck drivers from countries such as poland who are taking albanians by the job lot in the back of trucks and driving them straight into britain to get around asylum legislation. >> and once again proven, mike, that where there's a will there's a way and where the law changes, the criminals adapt and get around it. >> yes, it changes incentives. but the state has to keep on top of this and they need to tighten up on on current arrangements .
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up on on current arrangements. and, you know, if that involves harsher penalties for, you know, private companies who may be involved in this , then then so involved in this, then then so be it . but, involved in this, then then so be it. but, you involved in this, then then so be it . but, you know, we've be it. but, you know, we've we've paid the french over £220 million since 20 and 21. and are we getting the bang for our buck?i we getting the bang for our buck? i think not. >> well, i think you could. a lot of people would would agree with that. but what can be done to stop this? i mean, we what do we put like mirrors under every wagon in and out ? wagon that's coming in and out? you can the pictures on your you can see the pictures on your screen . these are just screen now. these lads are just waiting in the hedgerows by the fences behind vehicles. they're literally legging it and trying to get into or onto or under every lorry that goes. and mark white told us that these lads often are there for months , but often are there for months, but they keep persisting. mike because ultimately they do make it into britain and they know they will not be returned . they will not be returned. >> well, i mean there's a sort of logic logistical issue here, you know , you need fences, you
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you know, you need fences, you need barbed wire , you need cctv need barbed wire, you need cctv cameras , but most importantly, cameras, but most importantly, you need boots on the ground and, you know, legally, you need to make it as simple and straightforward as possible for the authorities to deport these people while to detain and deport them once they're apprehended . and but, you know, apprehended. and but, you know, european countries have signed up to all these laws that make that very difficult to do. okay >> mike jones, we're going to have to leave it there. executive director of migration watch. thank you for joining executive director of migration watch. thank you forjoining us watch. thank you for joining us on the show this afternoon. always a pleasure. have always a pleasure. we'll have lots story. it's lots more on that story. it's 5:00 there's plenty 5:00 and there's plenty of coverage on our website. gbnews.com and you've helped to make it the fastest growing national website in the national news website in the country. so thank you very much indeed. country. so thank you very much indeed . you're watching indeed. you're watching and listening gb news. coming up, listening to gb news. coming up, have germans taken back have the germans taken back control their borders after control of their borders after implementing tougher border control checks? and if they can do it in the eu, why the heck can't we do it in blighty ? i'm can't we do it in blighty? i'm martin daubney on gb news
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isabel monday to thursdays from. six till 930 . six till 930. >> welcome back for 26. you're watching or listening to me? martin daubney on gb news bringing you all the latest until 6:00 now. germany has taken back control of its borders after implementing tougher border control checks. federal government statistics
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showed that there were around 4353 unauthorised entries into the country over its land borders in november there, compared . with 18,384in the compared. with 18,384in the previous month. so that's about a quarter of the previous total . a quarter of the previous total. all. well, joining me now to discuss this is former chief immigration officer of uk border force, kevin saunders. kevin, thanks for joining us force, kevin saunders. kevin, thanks forjoining us on the thanks for joining us on the show. it's always a pleasure to see you. here's the question for you.so see you. here's the question for you. so germany is within the eu . the lovers of freedom of movement, freedom of movement, sacrosanct the schengen zone, and yet it they stepped up and they've beefed up security. and it's dramatically improved matters . within a month . begs matters. within a month. begs the obvious question, why can't we do the same in blighty ? we do the same in blighty? >> yeah, it's a very good question. >> martin can i just correct something that your previous guest said? >> sure. >> sure. >> he said that we needed boots
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on the ground in france when talking about the lorries. well we have we have immigration staff at calais which searched the lorries and we have dogs that search the lorries as well. so we are doing a massive amount in calais to stop people getting in calais to stop people getting in the back of the lorries. >> all right. but we still obviously need to do a bit more. but point made, kev, back to germany. if they can take control of their borders and they're an member state, why they're an eu member state, why they're an eu member state, why the can't we when we're not the heck can't we when we're not an eu member state? >> the germans are incredibly efficient at what they're doing. they've deployed a lot of their police officers to do it. >> germany had has a big advantage because when the wall came down in germany, they didn't sack all the police officers that were guarding the berlin wall . they kept them. berlin wall. they kept them. >> so they are able to deploy a
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large number of police officers or border control officers, whatever you like to call them, whenever they have this sort of problem. >> and they do. >> and they do. >> and they do. >> and they're very , very efficient. >> i wish were our our people were as efficient as the germans. >> yeah, it's a common it's a common word used with the germans. but it must be true for a reason. kev, here's another point. this caused a huge political row in germany , the political row in germany, the green party, that those on the liberal left, they were opposed to it until it started to work because now it's working. and the public can see it's working. suddenly there's a groundswell of support for it. and the police seem to have gone ahead irrespective of the political huha, whereas in britain, it seems that the police or border force are more controlled by the politicians . is that a fair politicians. is that a fair point . we've lost ukip we can't point. we've lost ukip we can't lip read what a shame. so. so
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what? i want to know is, is there something in germany where there something in germany where the police can just say, okay, we hear what you're saying, politicians, but never mind you, we're going to get on and do it anyway. kev, it's about police autonomy, isn't it? it's about having the power to support and protect your borders without pandenng protect your borders without pandering to those who politically oppose it . politically oppose it. >> yes. i mean, what happens is the police are given a task to do . do. >> they're told to go and do it, and then they're allowed to go on and do it. unlike the uk , on and do it. unlike the uk, where border force are told to do something and then there's interference from politicians all the way down the line. >> so the germans are say a much better and you're seeing the results and there's been a huge decline in all of the countries poland, czech republic , poland, czech republic, switzerland and also of austria. >> i guess there's a key difference. of course, these are land borders and land borders can be defended in a way not
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like ours, although we are an island. so on the one hand, on a land border, you can say no and just turn people away on an island. of course, once people are here. is that are here, they're here. is that part of the problem in germany? they just say, they can intercept and just say, clear off, you're not coming in. whereas in britain they're clear off, you're not coming in. whereashere ritain they're clear off, you're not coming in. whereashere andn they're clear off, you're not coming in. whereashere and it'sey're clear off, you're not coming in. whereashere and it'sey'r> and of course, in britain, we've gone to the supreme court about human rights and rwanda and everything else, and we're obeying the courts by the letter of the law . the europeans aren't of the law. the europeans aren't . they are just totally disregarding it. so that's why their countries are now becoming less attractive, which makes us, unfortunately, more attractive. >> kev, there be a lot of people
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at home scratching their heads thinking if these are european union member states and they're also signed up to the european court of rights and court of human rights and they can on bike, we're can say on your bike, we're doing what we want do , then doing what we want to do, then why we doing that in britain? >> just beggars belief that >> it just beggars belief that we are stuck this bind, we are stuck in this bind, whereas our european partners, they're to they're the ones we're meant to be freedom of be enslaved to freedom of movement. no, movement. they're saying, no, we're not having it. >> well, right. >> yeah, well, you're right. you're right. martin they do exactly that. you see in exactly that. but you see in france, is the latest france, france is the latest one.the france, france is the latest one. the french government actually said it's not in our national interests to obey the law of the courts. so finest in ten years time when it comes to when we're taken to court , they when we're taken to court, they just ignore it. we are the only country apart from our ireland to a lesser extent , who actually to a lesser extent, who actually obey things to the letter of the law. when we had dublin , we law. when we had dublin, we still couldn't remove people to
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the europeans under dublin because they refused to take them . them. >> okay. kevin saunders , a >> okay. kevin saunders, a sobering account. it's always a pleasure to speak to you. former chief immigration officer at uk border force . thank you very border force. thank you very much. now you're watching and listening to gb news. coming up, ulez yes, ulez cameras, chaos. yes, counter terrorism officers are investigating the explosion of an ultra low emissions own camera in south—east london amid suspicions it was caused by a homemade bomb. we'll have exclusive footage of a forensic team in the area next. but first, your latest news headunes first, your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler. it's 432. >> i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom. downing street has rejected claims mps were misled over the cost of the rwanda scheme. that's after it emerged costs have reached £240 billion before any flights have taken off. ministers expect a further 50 million will be spent in the
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coming year. the prime minister, rishi sunak , who's facing rishi sunak, who's facing division within his party over the asylum plan, has vowed to finish the job. he's hoping to rush emergency legislation through parliament with the first vote on tuesday . a 16 year first vote on tuesday. a 16 year old boy has been arrested on suspicion of murdering leon gordon in east london. the 42 year old was shot dead in hackney on tuesday evening. a 20 year old man and a 16 year old boy also suffered gunshot wounds . prince harry has lost a legal challenge in a libel claim against the publisher of the mail on sunday. it means the case must go to trial . while the case must go to trial. while the duke of sussex is suing associated newspapers limited over an article about his legal challenge against the home office following changes to his security arrangements at the funeral for the pogues , frontman funeral for the pogues, frontman shane macgowan is being held in ireland. family, friends , ireland. family, friends, politicians and celebrities, including hollywood actor johnny including hollywood actorjohnny depp, have all gathered to pay
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their final respects at saint mary of the rosary church in county tipperary . earlier, nick county tipperary. earlier, nick cave performed a rainy night in soho and a recording of u2's bono delivering a reading was also played . and you can get also played. and you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website at gbnews.com . thank you, sophia. gbnews.com. thank you, sophia. >> okay. welcome back. you're watching and listening to me. martin daubney on gb news bringing you all the latest until now. until 6 pm. now. counter—terrorism coppers are investigating the explosion of an ultra low emission zone camera in south—east london amid suspicions it was caused by a homemade bomb in a video posted on social media after the blast, a man was heard saying ulez camera been dismantled , blown camera been dismantled, blown the van in half, shrapnel everywhere broke the fence. it's like a world war. two explosions has just gone off. and here in
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footage not seen, you can see forensic style officers at the scene almost similar to something seen in salisbury those many years ago . you can those many years ago. you can just see there, this is taken by a gentleman i spoke to earlier, a gentleman i spoke to earlier, a guy called danny. he's a black cab driver. he lives about 50 yards away from this site. it exploded last night about 7 pm. you can see there. that's the camera. camera has been camera. the ulez camera has been taken down. you can see clearly it's cut down. it then fell it's been cut down. it then fell onto its side. we believe i spoke with danny earlier. this happened sometime between 4:30 yesterday when it got dark and then it exploded shortly . after then it exploded shortly. after 7 pm. now the police are treating this as an explosion caused by a third party improvised explosive device. but danny, who's filmed it and bin up close, he lives there. he was the first on the scene. he said the first on the scene. he said the it rocked the area. everyone's house rocked. they thought the boilers had blown up. he's putting a very different spin on this now. join
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me now to discuss this is reform uk mayoral candidate howard cox. howard ulez cameras are always in the news at the moment. this one in particular, though , is one in particular, though, is grabbing the headlines. so talk us through what we think may have happened if it was not a bomb, which is what the police are saying. >> well, it's a worrying development. >> if it is a bomb, you know, i'm not surprised. >> it's got to this level. >> it's got to this level. >> i'm afraid the anger out there is very palpable. >> there's frustration gone. well they've gone berserk. >> and the important thing to understand that people just >> and the important thing to unde|taked that people just >> and the important thing to unde|take anyit people just >> and the important thing to unde|take any more ple just >> and the important thing to unde|take any more plethis. can't take any more of this. normal, people are normal, law abiding people are actually getting involved in chopping these down. and chopping these things down. and i this one, this i understand from this one, this camera chopped down. camera was already chopped down. you in your you mentioned it in your preamble now. and, preamble just now. and, you know, we've lot of rain know, we've had a lot of rain recently. think the rains recently. and i think the rains got workings got into some of the workings and transformer at the bottom of it and electrical it and the electrical connection, i short connection, i think short circuited exploded . and but circuited and exploded. and but we waiting for the results. we are waiting for the results. the police still there the police are still there combing the ground on their
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hands knees with their fingernails. yeah, they and danny >> yeah, they are. and danny said to they are literally said to me they are literally putting like bits of paper on the road where each piece of shrapnel fell. it's like something out of a movie . a huge something out of a movie. a huge amount of resource. howard being deployed for what looks like it may have just been a simple short circuit. and that explosion , but to be fair, there explosion, but to be fair, there was significant damage. danny told some of the shrapnel told me some of the shrapnel punched through doors. punched holes through van doors. the size of a fist. so nobody was hurt. a bus driver who was in the area was put in the back of a fire engine. he had oxygen. he was obviously just shocked. nobody was hurt more . nobody was hurt more. mercifully, khan is calling this grotesquely irresponsible. a lot of people think that, though, about his ulez scheme. well, exactly . exactly. >> the point is, we're both speculating . we're not sure speculating. we're not sure what's happening. we've got to wait come back wait till the police come back to i look forward to to us. and i look forward to hear results, i hope hear the results, but i hope sadiq actually up sadiq khan is actually woken up by this because something by this now because something like about a thousand cameras across whole greater across the whole of greater london have been chopped down, have dismantled, have
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have been dismantled, have been vandalised. you . and vandalised. what have you. and i don't that's don't condone that. that's not the this. the the way to do this. but the frustration , ian, as i said frustration, ian, as i said earlier, is absolutely on a level that has not been seen before. political sort of before. any political sort of thing, which and don't forget, this , this was passed because of this, this was passed because of a public consultation agreement that two out of three were against the expansion , but against the ulez expansion, but he ahead and did it. he still went ahead and did it. so hoping he will wake up so i'm hoping he will wake up tomorrow say, right, i'm tomorrow and say, right, i'm getting rid the ulez getting rid of the ulez expansion. hang on, a pig just flew by. it's not going to happen. it very, very long. >> course, sadiq khan >> now, of course, sadiq khan will about cleaner will say this is about cleaner air people. he will say it's air for people. he will say it's about of about improving the quality of life children the life for children and the elderly . of course he will. but elderly. of course he will. but danny painted a very different picture who live in picture of people who live in that that camera is. that area where that camera is. the was down matter the camera was cut down a matter of after it was erected, of hours after it was erected, telling me a very different picture elderly people who picture of elderly people who rely cars to do their rely on their cars to do their shopping. this is almost on the kent border, need their kent border, and they need their car their shopping and car to do their shopping and extreme action has been taken, which, of course, we cannot condone. but people are very
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frustrated by this expansion . frustrated by this expansion. >> the transport for london, his own transport for london, have told him that the expansion of ulez greater london will ulez into greater london will not make any difference to the air breathe. but he's still air we breathe. but he's still going this is a going ahead with it. this is a pure and impacts on pure cash grab and it impacts on low families, small low income families, small businesses, sole traders. that's what's happening. you're saying about you're about the elderly. you're absolutely our absolutely right. we need our cars can't cars and these people can't afford the electric afford to buy the electric vehicles. electric vehicles. expensive electric vehicles. expensive electric vehicles and the scrappage scheme isn't even working ehheh scheme isn't even working either. and there's no sign either. at and there's no sign of this backing down in terms of sadiq khan doing a u—turn, i don't suppose he can an but the conservative lviv candidate for london mayor susan hall, says she will get rid of the expansion. >> you're standing as london mayor. what's your plan? >> my plan is get rid of ulez right the whole of right across the whole of london. in the london. not just in the expansion side . get rid of look, expansion side. get rid of look, most of london now is well, london is in the top 25% of the cleanest cities in the world. we do not need to do this. technology has moved on from 10 to ago when there was to 15 years ago when there was polluting vehicles. now euro six
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vehicles are very clean, but i understand he's actually planning do put these cameras planning to do put these cameras in for pay per mile, in place for pay per mile, a process . everything we do, it's process. everything we do, it's purely anti—car. it's purely a cash grab. and he's got to wake up and smell the proverbial coffee and realise no one's going vote him next year going to vote for him next year because of ulez and in particular, i get a lot of calls. >> i speak to a lot of drivers, i always talk to drivers and drivers in particular are getting very, very exasperated by this feeling that they are being whipped and bled dry. >> it's happening right across the country. not you the country. it's not just you know, it's happening in birmingham. happening birmingham. it's happening in aberdeen, bath, aberdeen, it's in bristol, bath, oxford, now, oxford, all these places. now, the first any of the the first thing on any of the councillors budget and in councillors budget sheet and in the whitehall is how the treasury in whitehall is how much can we out of much more can we get out of drivers there. easy cash cow drivers there. an easy cash cow target. i'm afraid we've got to stand there. 37 million drivers in this country vote in this country and they vote and that both of and woe betide that both of these, know, both labour and these, you know, both labour and these, you know, both labour and the conservatives, don't the conservatives, if they don't listen drivers, watch this listen to drivers, watch this space, goes. space, how it goes. >> thank you. the mayoral candidate party candidate for the reform party for london. thank you for
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joining us the show. always a joining us on the show. always a pleasure. watching joining us on the show. always a plealistening watching joining us on the show. always a plealistening to watching joining us on the show. always a plealistening to news.hing and listening to gb news. and coming up , the conservatives coming up, the conservatives have fire their have come under fire for their post was twitter . the post on x. that was twitter. the official conservative account shared a picture of bbc presenter marion moshiri giving the finger live on air. the middle finger live on air. and the caption said labour, when you ask for their plans to tackle illegal migration, is this right or is politics in the gutter ? we'll be talking about gutter? we'll be talking about that next. i'm martin daubney on gb news britain's news channel .
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sunday mornings from 930 on news i >> welcome back. 445 you're watching and listening to martin daubney on gb news bringing you all the latest at until 6 pm. now, the conservatives have come under fire for sharing a picture of bbc presenter marion moshiri. given the middle finger live on air, the caption said labour. when you ask for their plans to tackle illegal migration, well , tackle illegal migration, well, labour are not the only ones unhappy with the post. some within the tory party themselves have also demanded for it to be deleted and it's not the first time that the parties have been digging draghi shaming each other even. okay, well, joining me now to discuss this is former conservative mp harvey proctor . conservative mp harvey proctor. harvey, thank you very much for joining us on the show this afternoon. always a pleasure to speak to you . harvey, i reached
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speak to you. harvey, i reached out to you this afternoon to appear show because you appear on the show because you were very vocal in your condemnation of this tweet . and condemnation of this tweet. and i'd like for you to explain to gb news viewers why . gb news viewers why. >> good afternoon to you to and your viewers. you said earlier that we were going into the gutters. i i think this goes far lower than that . it's in the lower than that. it's in the political sewers as it is pure oil . and it is unbecoming. it is oil. and it is unbecoming. it is far too important a subject to descend to such depths when mrs. cesspool was as prime minister in the run up to her victory in 1979, the conservatives won the intellectual argument. the intellectual argument. the intellectual battles in and out of universities . that is what
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of universities. that is what alerted party should be doing now . how. >> now. >> not this gutter sewer attempt at political debate . at political debate. >> i have plenty of comments on the actual substance of the political debate , namely political debate, namely immigration, illegal or legal. but this is not the way to win the hearts and minds of constituents in the run up to the next general election . the next general election. >> well, harvey, you're not alone in that condemnation amongst the tory ranks. >> tobias ellwood said, please delete this tweet. alicia kearns said, i'm amazed this is not despite repeated requests , been despite repeated requests, been taken down. it is beneath us. but what about this ? it's had 14 but what about this? it's had 14 million views since it went up. here we are. we're talking about it. people might say, well , we it. people might say, well, we still are waiting for an answer on what labour think about the migrant crisis. this might be a crass way of forcing this debate
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into the open, but perhaps politics has moved on. perhaps this is the route of travel. >> i'm more concerned about what the conservative government's policy is regard to the legal migration we now have for ease not one, but two immigration ministers , one for illegal ministers, one for illegal immigration in and one for legal migration . i note today the migration. i note today the minister for legal migration , minister for legal migration, ian, has been talking about illegal migration. ian, i wonder whether he could explain why it appears to be the conservative policy to reduce legal migration by 300,000, meaning the net figure next year. by 300,000, meaning the net figure next year . will still be figure next year. will still be 400,000. yeah the migration in this country for decades has
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been far too, too high. we need to get down to zero. so when's the legal minister for immigration legal, migration, minister , when is he going to minister, when is he going to come and tell our electorate that that is their intention? nil migration. that that is their intention? nil migration . we are a dense nil migration. we are a dense hobby. >> a lot of people hobby a lot of people agree with that. i just want to come back on to the point about the method of political engagement and of course labour party have course the labour party have hardly been shy of steaming into the tory party and specifically rishi sunak. do you remember those adverts? i think they came out in april when one advert said, do you think adults guilty of sexually assaulting children should go to prison? rishi sunak doesn't. and they put these out on social media. they caused a similar furore, but the tory party, the labour party, there is on screen now. this was put
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out widespread across social media. it caused a huge talking point. it got massive traction , point. it got massive traction, ian and in fact the labour party were very , very happy with the were very, very happy with the fact everyone was talking about it. they didn't care if rishi sunak upset. is that where sunak was upset. is that where our politics maybe is heading ? our politics maybe is heading? it's brash , it's crass, but it's brash, it's crass, but we're talking about it. it makes the message obe going down that route or becoming more like america, where it's all about the person. attack, attack, attack . attack. >> two wrongs do not make a right . i've never been in my right. i've never been in my political life. one who goes after personalities for me, principles and policies are far more important . it principles and policies are far more important. it is principles and policies are far more important . it is really more important. it is really very doom laden to think that this is the standard of political debate that we should have in the run up to the next general election . let's raise
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general election. let's raise our . eyes and general election. let's raise our. eyes and our intellect in this very important matter of future future immigration into the united kingdom. >> okay, harvey proctor, former conservative mp for basildon and billericay , thank you very much billericay, thank you very much for bringing some queensberry rules and some respect back to this political battle. thanks for joining us on the show this afternoon, sir. okay, let's move on because the labour leader, sir keir starmer , had a far from sir keir starmer, had a far from peaceful journey to scotland last night, continuing in the same theme of politics in the gutter. a video has emerged of a pro—palestine demonstrator confronting starmer as he tried to travel to glasgow in peace, asking how many children needed to die before he called for a ceasefire. the protester was eventually moved out of the carriage by starmer's team. some might say not as forcibly as he deserved, but things didn't calm down when starmer stepped foot in glasgow station has another
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group of pro—palestinian activists greeted him on arrival and it wasn't what you'd call a warm greeting either. he was harangued and starmer faced criticism for refusing to back a ceasefire once again in gaza with the party leadership in favour of calling for humanitarian pauses to allow people to leave gaza and for aid to enter instead. and this disgraceful protest continued outside the crowne plaza hotel , outside the crowne plaza hotel, where scottish labour leader anas sarwar also came in for criticism from these thugs. now two people have been charged in connection with this alleged disorder offence and i want to talk about the fact that i think this is getting completely out of hand. if this had been people from the so—called far right, this would be front page news, this would be front page news, this would be all over the bbc, be all over the front page of the liberal press as something chilling and something nefarious. something needs to be nipped in the bud and stamped on how come far left get away how come the far left get away with this? the left are the
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with this? the far left are the one milkshakes and one throwing milkshakes and nigel farage. and far nigel farage. and now the far left the ones haranguing left are the ones haranguing the labour leader . left are the ones haranguing the labour leader. he's not in labour party leader. he's not in control of the country. let alone of our alone in control of our international policy or anything happening israel . but they happening in israel. but they think their divine right to think it's their divine right to hassle him on the street. that's just my thoughts . now, why don't just my thoughts. now, why don't we talk about our man nigel farage again in the jungle? yes he's still in it. last night, danielle harold became the latest contestant to be eliminated from i'm a celeb and sam thompson and tony baillieu do the favourites . but we do remain the favourites. but we all know nigel is capable of causing and the king of causing an upset and the king of the brexit has got this message for you . okay, you want to for you. okay, if you want to vote for nigel, grab your phone and scan that qr code right now and scan that qr code right now and download the app . and as we and download the app. and as we just said, you've got five votes to him per day. just said, you've got five votes to him per day . you're watching to him per day. you're watching and listen to gb news. plenty more to come in the next hour. i'm daubney on news i'm martin daubney on gb news britain's i'm martin daubney on gb news britan's i'm martin daubney on gb news brita brighter outlook with boxt >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb
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news. >> hello . we've got further wet >> hello. we've got further wet weather to come over the next 24 hours. still got some rain this evening in the north. some clearer spells for a time before it turns wetter and windier from the southwest. later on. and that's all down to this area of low pressure that slides away as we tonight. we head through tonight. but then next weather system then this next weather system pushes way from the pushes its way up from the southwest, bringing those stronger but for a stronger winds. but still for a time, heavy rain and a time, some heavy rain and a weather warning place for weather warning in place for parts southwest scotland parts of southwest scotland through this evening as that pushes way eastwards, some pushes its way eastwards, some clearer skies through the midlands, areas of midlands, southeastern areas of england time before this england for a time before this next swathe of wet weather. you can see from the brighter colours there'll be some heavier bursts in there and the further risk of flooding for parts of somerset, and devon somerset, dorset and devon thanks to that heavy rain . so thanks to that heavy rain. so there will be some disruption. first thing on saturday morning if you're plans if you're making plans for saturday, related saturday, christmas related plans, do be aware of the wet weather. it trundles its way northward slowly through the
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cracking final hour coming up. of course, the top story has to be rwanda or bust. is rishi is rwanda v v2 a £240 million dead duck. rwanda v v2 a £240 million dead duck . it's too soft for the duck. it's too soft for the tory, right? it's too hard for the tory wet. that's a lose lose scenario. next week we're heading for a commons show showdown. and here's the question will rwanda do for rishi what brexit did for theresa may? is rwanda going to sink ? sunak next story is our sink? sunak next story is our politics in the gutter? keir starmer was harangued on a train to glasgow last night by pro—palestine protesters who then followed him through the streets and to his hotel. they abused him verbally. ask him what he would do about dead children in the gaza strip . he's children in the gaza strip. he's not in control of the country. let alone international policy . let alone international policy. and meanwhile the tories return fire by flipping the bird and
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using that bbc image to the labour party saying this is what you get when you ask labour for their migration policy. is politics in the gutter? that's the big question. next up, a high court defeat today for the fourth for the ginger winger who now must go to court to face associated newspapers. he wanted their case thrown out. the judge had none of it. he has to face the music. and finally, it's that time of the week, another vote is coming. nigel farage has now shot to third favourite to win. i'm a celebrity. i had a cheeky tenner on him at 14 to 1, but we need to make the king of brexit the king of the jungle. we'll show you how. that's all coming up in the next hour. let's talk about politic in the gutter. the hard left are the
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one who are throwing milkshakes at nigel farage, and the hard left are the ones now harassing keir starmer on trains and in the streets and outside his hotel . this was the far right. hotel. this was the far right. it'd be a front page story . it'd be a front page story. there'd be demands to stamp this out. how can the hard left get away with it? let me know what you think. vaiews@gbnews.com. but first, here's your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler . good afternoon. wenzler. good afternoon. >> it's 5:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom . downing street in the newsroom. downing street has rejected claims mps were misled over the cost of the rwanda scheme. that's after it emerged costs have reached £240 million before any flights have taken off. ministers expect a further 50 million will be spent in the coming year. rishi sunak, who's facing division within his party over the asylum plan , has party over the asylum plan, has vowed to finish the job. he's
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hoping to rush emergency legislation through parliament with the first vote on tuesday . with the first vote on tuesday. a 16 year old boy has been arrested on suspicion of murdering a woman who was shot deadin murdering a woman who was shot dead in east for london 82 year old leon gordon was killed in hackney tuesday evening . she hackney on tuesday evening. she was one of three people found with gunshot wounds , a 20 year with gunshot wounds, a 20 year old man and a 16 year old boy were taken to hospital . prince were taken to hospital. prince harry has lost a legal challenge in a libel claim against the publisher of the mail on sunday. it means the case must go to trial. the duke of sussex is suing associated newspapers limited over an article about his legal challenge against the home office following changes to his security arrangements. his lawyers say the story was an attack on his integrity and would undermine his charity work. associated newspapers limited argues it expressed honest opinion and caused no serious harm to prince harry's reputation in. a man has been jailed for life with a minimum term of 20 years for stabbing
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two police officers in central london on great windmill street . london on great windmill street. >> stay where you are . get back. >> stay where you are. get back. >> stay where you are. get back. >> the met police has now released body cam footage of the attack. mohammad rahman stabbed pc joseph gerard in the neck and chest and pc alana mulhall in the arm after a police pursuit. the 25 year old was convicted in october of attempted murder and grievous bodily harm. a blast that damaged a ulez camera in south—east london has been described as grotesquely irresponsible by the london mayor's office. counter terror police are leading an investigation into the incident which happened in sidcup on wednesday night. which happened in sidcup on wednesday night . while it's not wednesday night. while it's not being treated as terrorism , the being treated as terrorism, the explosion is believed to have been deliberate and the decision to the ultra low emission to expand the ultra low emission zone in the capital has led a zone in the capital has led to a surge in vandalism . calls have surge in vandalism. calls have been made for a full investigation after thousands of people were left stranded in seven trains in west london.
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video on social media showed people huddled in darkness with many stuck in carriages for up to four hours last night. damage was caused to overhead wires after a train hit an obstruction outside london paddington, which meant the power had to be switched off. the public transport watchdog says it's concerned by the lack of communication and slow response time . meanwhile, trains in time. meanwhile, trains in northern england have been cancelled as drivers take industrial action. it's the final day of rolling strikes by aslef union members, which have affected services across the country. northern trains and transpennine express passengers are being impacted . the drivers are being impacted. the drivers are being impacted. the drivers are calling for an 8% pay increase over two years. a gender reform ruling has been described as a dark day for devolution by scotland's first minister. scotland's highest civil court found the government acted lawfully by blocking the controversial bill. the legislation, which makes it easier for people to change their legally recognised sex, received cross—party support in
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holyrood. humza yousaf says the judgement confirms that devolution is fundamentally flawed . msp rachael hamilton flawed. msp rachael hamilton believes the court's ruling is right . right. >> really concerning bit of legislation, but also the main reason that we didn't vote for this legislation was that it would have had an impact on the protection of women and girls . protection of women and girls. and we know that self—id system subsequently did have an impact because isla bryson after raping two women, was then placed in a female estate after their changing gender. >> a funeral for the pogues frontman shane macgowan is being held in ireland . held in ireland. family friends, politicians and celebrities have all gathered to pay celebrities have all gathered to pay their final respects in county tipperary. singer nick cave performed a rainy night in
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soho and a recording of u2 frontman bono delivering a reading was also played . reading was also played. hollywood starjohnny reading was also played. hollywood star johnny depp reading was also played. hollywood starjohnny depp is also at the service. he read the prayers of the faithful . i know prayers of the faithful. i know that sent to me won't see me. >> another one. and then he sang i >> -- >> sang a song . the prayer of mountains. >> you . i turn my face away. and >> you. i turn my face away. and dreamed about you. >> god . >> god. >> god. >> but on a love key one was kenny an exit to one. >> i got a feeling this year's is for me and you . so happy trip is for me and you. so happy trip summer .
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summer. >> i love you , baby . >> i love you, baby. >> i love you, baby. >> i love you, baby. >> i can see a better time when all our dreams come true . all our dreams come true. thank god for finding , however, thank god for finding, however, the following . blows right the following. blows right through your face with your when your boys took my hand on the cold christmas eve. you promised me broadway was waiting for me your hands. you're pretty keen . your hands. you're pretty keen. on new york city in the vamping sleigh day on nevermore tonight you're swinging on the drums. they were singing. we kissed on the comments down to the night and the boys from the nypd for we're singing all way better on
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the bells were ringing out for christmas day . christmas day. you're up on your phone. you're an old slut on junk lying there on ofsted on a trip and ofsted. yes, for begum i got you cheap, lousy happy christmas. you're our thanks parties. i love boys from the nypd choir was singing galway bay and the bells were ringing out for christmas day . ringing out for christmas day. was show . could anyone you took
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was show. could anyone you took my dream from me when i put round you i have with me by my pull down with my arms. i make it alone i've built my dreams around you . and by singing in my around you. and by singing in my pretty quiet kissing in galway bay and the bells will ringing out for christmas day .
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>> and that was glen hansard and lisa o'neill there with their hit christmas track fairytale of new york. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. and now it's back to . martin >> wasn't that just brilliant? i got told to sit down a minute ago. i was dancing in the studio and they're all in the gallery out there. some people crying, watching that captivated release that version from shane that that version from shane macgowan's funeral . and that macgowan's funeral. and that will be the christmas number one absolute. we just amazing. okay let's get stuck into the in—fight thing raging within the conservative party over rishi sunaks rwanda legislation. the government could be open to compromises with rebel and happy
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tory mps. according to the new league . migration minister. league. migration minister. well, former labour party spokesman james mathewson joins me now. james, thank you for joining us on the show. sorry we got delayed in coming to you there, but understandably we had to carry that amazing version of fairytale . yeah, back to the fairytale. yeah, back to the point, rwanda looks certain to go on to a huge debate next week. it's going to certainly divide the tories. we're already seeing huge divisions coming up. what about the labour party? do you think they'll vote for it or do you think they'll vote against and the tories against it? and all the tories trying the labour trying to force the labour party's the party's position out into the open ? open? >> yeah, i don't wish i think the tories wish that were that organised and that planned about this . this. >> i mean they're barely hanging on is and barely keeping on as it is and barely keeping people their own people together on their own side. is. labour party side. as it is. labour party seems fairly united on this. i don't think there's much discussion their own discussion. i mean their own position obviously a totally
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position obviously is a totally different question and that needs addressed needs to be addressed and considered in due course. however, mean it's just been however, i mean it's just been described complete farce by described as a complete farce by the in the past the labour party in the past hour so. i believe it is. hour or so. i believe it is. it's just a farce . i mean, it's it's just a farce. i mean, it's not only is it a farce not only is it a moral farce that the question of that you've got the question of the rwanda policy anyway, which obviously surprised to obviously not be surprised to hear disagree obviously not be surprised to hear passionately disagree obviously not be surprised to hear passionately . disagree with passionately. >> however, on top of that, when you go and deliver a policy as a government , you want to be sure government, you want to be sure you at least try to it you can at least try to get it across the line. >> now being >> the money that is now being thrown this for nothing yet thrown at this for nothing yet to happened or to have to have happened or to have taken place regarding the policy, even the people who support it think it's a complete waste of time. support it think it's a complete wasunderstandably. >> understandably. >> understandably. >> mean, £240 million >> yeah. i mean, £240 million for not a single person leaving britain is a room deal, to put it lightly. but here's the point. the conservative party probably saw got a bit fruity. they put an advert out flipping the bird , raising the middle the bird, raising the middle finger . it's the bird, raising the middle finger. it's been widely criticised, of course , but they criticised, of course, but they were saying this is what you get when you try and get the labour
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party to explain when there we 90, party to explain when there we go, labour. when you ask for their plans tackle illegal their plans to tackle illegal migration, it's a crass way of doing it, but i guess they're trying to make the point. i'll ask again, it's okay to say ask you again, it's okay to say it's disaster it's okay it's a disaster. it's okay to say it's expensive , divisive say it's an expensive, divisive mistake, but the electorate need to know what the labour party's plans to stop the boats and deal with illegal migration. >> think far as this >> i think as far as this question martin, what what question goes, martin, what what the public need to know is that the public need to know is that the wouldn't do the labour party wouldn't do that, basically as that, and that's basically it as it the moment. that, and that's basically it as it you the moment. that, and that's basically it as it you know, ie moment. that, and that's basically it as it you know, the oment. that, and that's basically it as it you know, the whole. that, and that's basically it as it you know, the whole policy >> you know, the whole policy around immigration, around what they would ins and they would do, all the ins and outs can come as we go into a general election. >> as it stands, they wouldn't do wouldn't in do this and there wouldn't be in this because they this position because they wouldn't themselves this position because they wouithis themselves this position because they wouithis position themselves this position because they wouithis position because 1selves this position because they wouithis position because theyas into this position because they wouldn't tried pander wouldn't have tried to pander to the denominator the lowest common denominator and lowest possible and to the lowest possible sentiments around immigration that exist. these people who come here on boats to this country do so out of fear and out of desperation and to immediate meet that and say, oh, i think we can save a few bob in
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the long run by sending them on a plane elsewhere so that we don't have to deal with it is cowardice . you deal with your cowardice. you deal with your own problems as a nation and you deal with them on your soil. own problems as a nation and you deaokay| them on your soil. own problems as a nation and you deaokay .them on your soil. own problems as a nation and you deaokay . former| your soil. own problems as a nation and you deaokay . former labour soil. own problems as a nation and you deaokay . former labour party il. >> okay. former labour party spokesman james mathewson , spokesman james mathewson, thanks for being forthright. i think a lot of people say this is a problem and our soil and it is a problem and our soil and it is a problem that's expensive and problem sooner or and it is a problem sooner or later the labour party will have to give position on moving to give us a position on moving on now. barrister and writer stephen barrett, course, stephen barrett, of course, joined yesterday on the show joined me yesterday on the show and since a chance to and he since had a chance to fully rishi sunak fully digest rishi sunak emergency rwanda legislation . so emergency rwanda legislation. so let's get his thoughts on it now. stephen, when we spoke yesterday , you were very clear yesterday, you were very clear in position . you've taken in your position. you've taken some from colleagues , some advice from colleagues, learned colleagues, who also said it would be very easy for even a mediocre lawyer to drive a coach and horses through this and cause problems for the government today, in part two, i wanted to ask you , because you wanted to ask you, because you are a guy that cuts straight to
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the chase and you're apolitical and your analysis, what rishi sunak should have done or what he could do to make this more bomb proof ? bomb proof? >> well, it's very kind of you to have me back, because one of the things about doing law in pubuc the things about doing law in public and it is pure vanity, but i do like to be first and i'm usually first i'm always first on the deal. i was, you know, first on the windsor framework. >> i like to get in quickly my dad picked me up after my wrote an article which which raised the six points i raised on your show in the spectator. and my dad picked me up on my article and said, ah, you've missed one. and this is in the bill, it's in section four. and he's quite right. i did miss it. >> there is the right to argue for a person to argue before our own courts that because of their personal circumstances, rwanda's not safe for them and that is going to be death by a thousand cuts. >> it's the seventh hole, if you
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like, in this bill. mean i use the analogy of a castle yesterday . if your castle walls yesterday. if your castle walls got seven holes in it, the castle's not going to stand. you know, and he's quite right to pick me up in my defence, he hadnt pick me up in my defence, he hadn't actually noticed the northern irish issue. so do i do at least have some sort of, you know, familial leg to stand on here? but, but it's right to raise it. i think professor richard eakins raised it as richard eakins has raised it as well. happened is that well. what's happened is that this bill is not fit for purpose . now, there's something else i think that your viewers need to know that was glossed over on tuesday or wednesday this week. forget which , the high court forget which, the high court declared that. what's happening now is an emergency as law. okay so that means that means a government is justified in taking its extraordinary steps in order to deal with the crisis. so the law has already said this is an emergency. see how they deal with it is up to them. but this is not going to solve that emergency . and we solve that emergency. and we know that now . so are we going
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know that now. so are we going to engage in the farcical process of trying to get this through the house of commons, trying to get it through the house of lords, patting ourselves back when it's ourselves on the back when it's statute and watching statute and then watching the inevitable cases that will inevitable court cases that will come. and, you know, my dad is right. section is what right. section four is what they'll go to first. i'm right. somebody will go to the echr and argue. somebody will go to the and argue and somebody will raise the point about fact in our own court as well. so there will be there will be both big and small attempts to cut this down. you know, the section four issue that is the new one i'm raising today, that will be death by a thousand cuts because simply everybody will claim that they've got special circumstances. clog the circumstances. it'll clog up the courts , if nothing else. mean courts, if nothing else. mean he's absolutely insane. every every single legal migrant will argue because of my special circumstances. rwanda doesn't work we'll start to work for me and we'll start to see pathetic arguments because i'm in immigration law, i'm afraid in immigration law, we do often see quite weak arguments taken . those lawyers arguments taken. those lawyers who take those arguments would
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say , well, look, i'm trying to say, well, look, i'm trying to do the best i can possibly in the my client, but the service of my client, but and absolutely true. but and that's absolutely true. but we do see quite weak arguments taken . we're going to see the taken. we're going to see the kitchen sink is going be kitchen sink is going to be thrown this at the low level. thrown at this at the low level. and as identified yesterday at the level, there's to the high level, there's going to be some very serious challenges. rishi sunak needs redraught rishi sunak needs to redraught this if he wants to do this bill. if he wants to do anything about what law now recognises as an emergency. and if indulge me lightly on if you'll indulge me lightly on this, martin, i'd like to just praise the judge in question who declared this an emergency. and i'd like everybody to notice the brilliance of the british judges . so the judge in question and she might find this embarrassing . i she might find this embarrassing .i hope she might find this embarrassing . i hope she doesn't, but she she is married to a former leader of the opposition . so leader of the opposition. so a former labour party leader . and former labour party leader. and she has done her absolute duty to justice and produced a judgement which actually actually in this instance supports the government but is true. and we have these amazing people working as judges in our
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country who are a bit like i tried to hang up their personal politics when they go and sit as a judge and they take being a judge very seriously . and it's judge very seriously. and it's her brilliance that has declared this an emergency. i think she's absolutely on absolutely right on the law on that. i agree with her. that. i agree. i agree with her. i an appeal that i don't think an appeal on that would succeed. this is would succeed. i think this is an emergency and in an emergency, we need government emergency, we need a government to the moment, we seem to act. at the moment, we seem to act. at the moment, we seem to is not to have a government that is not acting or is acting in a way that's not going to work. you know, and this is this is as serious as any emergency can be. >> okay. stephen barrett , you >> okay. stephen barrett, you know, once again, thank you for boiling it all down. you've been through it with a fine tooth comb. missed but your comb. you missed a bit, but your dad it but there are dad picked it up. but there are seven holes in this and you seven a holes in this and you say this is not fit for purpose. thank you for giving us that and also for making an impassioned defence of our legal system, which often comes under attack . which often comes under attack. actually, probably the draft itself was the problem, not at the going through the courts. but stephen barrett, thank you as ever for taking the rbs out
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of the barrister business. thank you very much . you're watching you very much. you're watching and listening to gb news coming up, we'll discussing gb news up, we'll be discussing gb news favourite prince harry, who has lost a bid to throw out a newspaper publishers defence to libel claim. i'm martin daubney on gb news britain's news
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watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news bringing you all the latest until 6 pm. now, brace yourself because prince harry has lost the bid to throw out a newspaper publisher's defence to a libel claim. the duke of sussex has sued associated newspapers. that's the daily mail group, over an article written last year regarding his action taken against the home office following a decision to change his security arrangements when he was in the uk. his security arrangements when he was in the uk . associated he was in the uk. associated newspapers limited is contesting the claim, arguing the article expressed an honest opinion and did not cause serious harm to the prince's reputation . asian. the prince's reputation. asian. well, joining me now is grant harold, who of course is a former royal butler to king charles, prince william and prince harry, thank you so much for joining us on the show this afternoon. grant, this is quite afternoon. grant, this is quite a blow for the prince. he wanted the case thrown out and i'm afraid he didn't get his way , afraid he didn't get his way, did he? he'll have to face the music in court just like the rest of us. >> no, he didn't. thank you for
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martin. i think what's interesting is it does go to show even though he is a show that even though he is a former let's say, a former member of the royal family, he's a non senior member of the royal family now. it shows you family now. and it shows you that, you he's treated that, you know, he's treated like but even a like everybody else, but even a senior of the royal senior member of the royal family had the same the family probably had the same the same thing. i that's what same thing. i think that's what people that royal people forget is that the royal family today are very much treated everybody else. treated like everybody else. >> and interesting here >> and what's interesting here is justice nicklin is that mr justice nicklin refused to strike out all of associated newspapers defence, which is what the which is what the sussex wanted, which is an outrageous thing to do really. it's like saying, oh no, their evidence noteworthy , it's evidence isn't noteworthy, it's not worthwhile of appearance not worthwhile of an appearance in and the mrjustice in court and the mrjustice nicklin said overall it is not fanciful that the defendants will be successful at trial. so not only is he not thrown it out, but actually he's saying that the mail have got a good chance of winning this case and i'm sure that's something that prince harry and his team would have been informed.
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>> i mean, i'm sure they're aware of that. and that, again, might be one of reasons why might be one of the reasons why he thrown out. but i he wanted it thrown out. but i think what's really difficult, martin, over years, martin, is over the years, there's i've to there's been i've got to confess, of lost confess, i have kind of lost track the different track with all the different legal that been legal battles that have been going there's obviously legal battles that have been goingquite there's obviously legal battles that have been goingquite a there's obviously legal battles that have been goingquite a few. 'e's obviously legal battles that have been goingquite a few. 'e's oiviously legal battles that have been goingquite a few. 'e's oi kindly legal battles that have been goingquite a few. 'e's oi kind of been quite a few. and i kind of wonder there's a point where wonder if there's a point where he's going think, is he's actually going to think, is it this, you know, it worth all this, you know, these of battles that have these kind of battles that have been going i want to been going on for, i want to say, is probably back to when meghan you meghan first got together. you know, it seems to have been constant and i think that the royal family, think the queen royal family, i think the queen famously only ever had legal famously only ever had two legal battles 70 year reign. battles in over 70 year reign. you know, so i have lost track of how many prince harry may have had. but it's quite sad that that's the world that we live that they've got all live in that they've got all these legal battles going on all these legal battles going on all the and grant, aside from the >> and grant, aside from the fact seems to be fact that there seems to be a huge sense of entitle moment that struck off, that this should be struck off, i go to court. will i shouldn't go to court. he will he have to face the he will now have to face the music just like a regular member of the public. in a sense, that's a victory for justice, isn't that no prince or
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isn't it, that no prince or anybody is above the law. but this grubby, isn't it? the this is grubby, isn't it? the fact that he's chosen to pursue this route anyhow is hardly a befitting behaviour for a royal. >> well, it's not great. i mean, i think a few years ago i remember his his aunt, princess anne, actually, i believe that she was got a speeding ticket and i think she had to appear in court for that a few years back. but you know, some of that is it just shows you, as i mentioned earlier, even members the earlier, even members of the royal family, don't escape royal family, you don't escape the the law. and the eyes of the law. and when things on or things like this are going on or court cases are place, if court cases are taking place, if you you're starting to you decide you're starting to want to be part of it, you don't really have decision. in really have that decision. in fact, exact, the only fact, to be exact, the only person above the person that that is above the law, or is the law, believe it or not, is the king something that as king that's something that as monarch , they involved monarch, they don't get involved in of legal or civil in in any kind of legal or civil things, is part of things, which again, is part of being monarch. but of course, it's sure it's i'm sure it's it's i'm sure it's i'm sure it's embarrassing that son, you embarrassing that his son, you know , a member of his know, a close member of his family, said, no longer family, as i said, no longer technically senior member technically a senior member of the family getting the royal family is getting involved this . i should involved in this. i should quickly correct myself, even
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though no longer senior though i see no longer senior member, still councillor member, he's still a councillor of which mean if the of state, which does mean if the king's not in the king's unwell or not in the country or unable his country or unable to perform his duties. prince harry technically has that actually has one of the few that actually steps so it's all a bit steps in. so it's all a bit confusing grant harold , confusing as okay, grant harold, former royal butler to king charles, prince william and prince harry, thank you so much for us. for joining us. >> and it just forjoining us. >> and it just goes >> thank you. and it just goes to doesn't it , folks, to show you, doesn't it, folks, that the dice once that he rolled the dice once again and he lost. he seems to be on a bit of a losing streak. maybe it's time to sort of focus on being respectable on being a nice, respectable member of the royal family. now, you're watching and listening to gb news. up, the gb news. coming up, the conservatives have under conservatives have come under fire for their on ex, fire again for their post on ex, and that's twitter as it was the official conservative account shared picture of bbc shared a picture of bbc presenter mario moshiri giving the middle finger live on air. you may have seen it and the caption said labour, when you ask their plans to tackle ask for their plans to tackle illegal migration, it's caused a few eyebrows to be raised. but first, here's your latest news headunes first, here's your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler.
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>> rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . report. and welcome back. >> you're watching and listening to martin daubney on gb news bringing you all the latest until 6:00 now, the conservatives have come under fire once again , this time for fire once again, this time for sharing a picture of bbc presenter maryam moshiri giving the middle finger live on air. the caption underneath that picture said, labour, when you ask for their plans to tackle illegal migration now labour are not the only ones unhappy with the post. some of them the tory party themselves, have also demanded for it to deleted. demanded for it to be deleted. it's not the first time that the parties have been dg shaming each other either. well, join me now to discuss this is political commentator danny armstrong. and the big question is, is politics
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descend into the gutter? danny let's just start with that brutal question. should should political parties really be flipping the bird to each other about topics that are seriously going to decide the next election, like migration or is this the rough and tumble world of digital politics nowadays . of digital politics nowadays. >> well, it seems so, but i mean i mean the tory party are well within their rights to make a joke of it. >> if this is all being passed off as a joke by the bbc and a lot of leftist leaning supporters, then why not make a joke it? course i mean, as joke of it? of course i mean, as we know, one of the things that struck me if mariam moshiri was was a straight white male on gb news and had been caught out like this, i'm pretty sure that those same people that are passing it off as a joke would see it as toxic masculinity as as a ringing indictment of the professionalism of some of the other media channels. professionalism of some of the other media channels . as this other media channels. as this mudslinging is something that we're used to when we've seen it
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before. we've seen it this april with the labour party making out that rishi sunak was was easy on child sexual predators or people who had been found guilty of carrying a gun with intent to dangeh carrying a gun with intent to danger. but of course, i mean , i danger. but of course, i mean, i think both sides really know that this is not serious. there are serious matters. but i mean, the digital mudslinging is still going to be there because we're in a world now where where twitter does rule these sort of things and can sway public opinion. been passed opinion. but if it's been passed as a joke by those people as a as a joke by those people who are supporting maryam moshiri and support ing some of the labour campaign and aggressive ad campaigns against conservatives , then the tory conservatives, then the tory party is well within their rights just to make a joke of it. >> now then i think you raise some points there. there some fair points there. there has clutching of has been much clutching of pearls about what tories did pearls about what the tories did and on and yet that same attack on rishi when they were rishi sunak, when they were making grotesque allegations rishi sunak, when they were makididn'ttesque allegations rishi sunak, when they were makididn't careje allegations rishi sunak, when they were makididn't care about�*gations rishi sunak, when they were makididn't care about child1s they didn't care about child sexual exploitation, the labour party were quite happy about it in fact, wes streeting appeared
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on media saying it's on national media saying it's getting everybody talking and that's our job. it's absolutely right take gloves off, he right to take the gloves off, he said , and challenge the prime said, and challenge the prime minister over abysmal minister over the abysmal failure 13 years of failure of 13 years of conservative government. and yet , danny, you may have seen images last night of keir starmer trying to mine his own business on a train to glasgow. he was harangued and harassed in pubuc he was harangued and harassed in public by the hard left by the pro—palestinian mob , who then pro—palestinian mob, who then followed him across the station and to his hotel. i put it to you. there is huge double standards going on here. you're right . if it was standards going on here. you're right. if it was a standards going on here. you're right . if it was a white male right. if it was a white male that made that sign, no doubt they get the old heave ho. and how come the hard left were allowed to get away with all this? if it was people on the other side of the spectrum, this would be a national disease. the rise of the far right. it's got to stamped have clear to be stamped out. we have clear double don't we, danny? >> absolutely . i mean, as >> well, absolutely. i mean, as someone who's worked for a great penod someone who's worked for a great period of time for the russian state channel, of course, as bbc
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news, as we know, is the british state channel, mandatory funding is funded by the taxpayer. if i was to do this or if i was to do this as a correspondent for the russian state media channel, i would be tied to the entire russian empire. the russian federation , as it were. vladimir federation, as it were. vladimir putin, his politics, some of the things going on at the moment in russia, of course, we've seen lgbt movements be outlawed here and be labelled extremist organisations. if the labour party is going to tie rishi sunak to the last more than a decade of conservative rule and some of the things that have gone on underneath that party's rule , then of course there's rule, then of course there's a huge double standard. there's a huge double standard. there's a huge double standard in the fact that , of course if it's huge double standard in the fact that, of course if it's being passed off as a joke and being passed off as a joke and being passed off as a joke and being passed off just a little bit passed off as just a little bit of to say that rishi of a jibe to say that rishi sunak supports is easy on sunak supports or is easy on people carrying guns and sexually assaulting children. this is serious stuff . then why this is serious stuff. then why
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can't . why can't we say that? of can't. why can't we say that? of course you know this. this is a ringing indictment of the unprofessional standard of the bbc. and to be passing it off as a joke and to be passing off as something that was not meant to be seen publicly, will those adverts and those banners about rishi sunak? well, of course they were meant to be seen by they were meant to be seen by the public. they were meant to sway opinion. if a hot sway public opinion. if a hot mic was to was to pick up some of things that maybe i would of the things that maybe i would say drawing , not drawing a say drawing, not drawing a broadcast. but before a broadcast, or if i was to do something before a broadcast. of course, as a white male, i would be vindicated by these very same people who are saying that it's just a joke and that these labour ads and these aggressive ads against the conservative party rishi sunak were party and rishi sunak were okay in board complete in above board a complete double standard . standard. >> okay. danny armstrong, i think raised some very good think you raised some very good points. right points. you're completely right there huge hypocrisy here. if there is huge hypocrisy here. if it boot was on the it was if the boot was on the other foot, there'd be hell other foot, there'd be all hell to play. put it to you to play. but i put it to you that the same people throwing
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milkshakes farage are milkshakes at nigel farage are now the people haranguing now the same people haranguing keir starmer on a train. we've got an issue with the hard left. and why don't the media perk up about it? just my two pennies worth moving swiftly onwards. well, remember last week , well, if you remember last week, rishi unveiled downing rishi sunak unveiled downing street's christmas tree and splendid it was. but the festive spirit couldn't be said for the residents of the coastal town. you can see it there. beautiful look at it. it's a marvellous tree outside downing street. in fact, counted lights fact, we counted those lights on, on this very channel. on, live on this very channel. splendid but the festive spirit couldn't be said for the residents of the coastal town of dealin residents of the coastal town of deal in kent after locals mocked this year's effort. it was totally feeble. many claim the tree was underwhelming. look at it. you get better in poundland and has left kent county council deeply embarrassed . deal. deeply embarrassed. deal. councillor kevin mills insisted that a bigotry has been ordered. that won't be hard. you could dig one up in your nearest garden centre and we'll be replaced as a matter of urgency.
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well it's been over a week now, kev, and it's still there . but kev, and it's still there. but ladies and gentlemen, there's more. look at this calamity in walsall in the west midlands. look at that. how would you feel as a resident of walsall, a place i know well and campaigned at? if you've got a tree that was the height of a toddler next to us, next to a sledge that looks like it's been knocked out by a by a dad who's been at the jamiesons , he's been at the jamiesons, he's been at the baileys a bit too early. look at that.is baileys a bit too early. look at that. is that the best you can really offer? but it gets worse, ladies and gents, because i'm about to go and join my football team for my christmas drink. and last night, neil, of last night, neil, one of my players, one of my lads went to a party. look this. a note a party. look at this. a note dropped out of his cracker. let me read it for you. we have removed the snap from this year's cracker to ensure it is completely recyclable . part of completely recyclable. part of our journey to make completely recyclable. part of ourjourney to make every our journey to make every christmas a celebration of
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responsibility. ladies and gentlemen, they're literally taking the crack out of christmas and they're taking the mickey out of us. they're taking the bang out of a christmas cracker in the name of recycling . i don't want i don't care about recycling my crackers. i want to hear it go bang. when i pull it . and i want to put that pull it. and i want to put that hat on my head and i want to have a good swig and have a good chew on a turkey leg. and i don't want to think saving don't want to think about saving the want greta the planet. i want greta thunberg on my shoulder as i'm trying tuck into plum trying to tuck into some plum duff you lot. duff bah humbug to you lot. well, don't go anywhere, duff bah humbug to you lot. well, up don't go anywhere, duff bah humbug to you lot. well, up next,1't go anywhere, duff bah humbug to you lot. well, up next, we'll anywhere, duff bah humbug to you lot. well, up next, we'll be ywhere, because up next, we'll be discussing, our discussing, of course, our man in jungle, farage. in the jungle, nigel farage. it's vote remain. for it's time to vote remain. for the time ever, i'm martin the first time ever, i'm martin daubney gb this is daubney on gb news. this is britain's news channel
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to 11 pm. only on gb news the people's channel. britain's news channel >> earlier on breakfast with stephen and ann. the government's accusing russia's version of m15 of a sustained cyber hacking campaign. former kgb officer alexander vassiliev . kgb officer alexander vassiliev. do you believe that this has been going on? >> i believe it completely . i >> i believe it completely. i think it's a good old, honest espionage, which never stops. >> you don't have to look far to spot the migrants. one clambers into the back of this lorry. >> i do completely agree with that. >> nothing is going to deter people from making these crossings. the labour party haven't got any specific ideas . haven't got any specific ideas. >> they're pointing at the government saying, you're government saying, well, you're terrible and you're wrong. no, but replace, they
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but they would replace, they would replace rwanda. cynical labour look at it labour supporter will look at it saying it's a little open saying it's a little bit open borders for life. yeah. borders for my life. yeah. breakfast out with stephen and anne friday to sunday from 6 am. welcome back. a.m. welcome back. >> 545 now of course, nigel farage is now in the final five as danielle harold was voted out last night . as danielle harold was voted out last night. nigel has a total of three days left down under . and three days left down under. and what a journey he's had so far. last night we saw how nige and sam had a miscommunication over some burnt rice . oh, dear. some burnt rice. oh, dear. >> oh dear. oh dear. >> oh dear. oh dear. >> he's ruined the rice . i said >> he's ruined the rice. i said i'd like to because it's been some. >> i think it's going to be lovely . lovely. >> i still think it's nigel's fault. the taste of this, mate. tell me what you think. >> sam's blaming nigel. >> sam's blaming nigel. >> nigel is blaming sam.
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>> nigel is blaming sam. >> so you put the rice on and you fell asleep. >> nigel put the rice on. i put the rice on without me knowing i was tending it. i said, would you a couple of minutes, lift you in a couple of minutes, lift the and some water. the lid and add some water. yeah. you take over? yeah. look, can you take over? i said, don't think those said, i don't think those words came can said, i don't think those words camtake can said, i don't think those words camtake over can said, i don't think those words camtake over the can you take over the miscommunication between the two of you think you know, >> you think in your, you know, communication was lacking really ? >> communication was 7 >> communication was lacking really ? really? >> nigel has 100% being the rice and he's looked to blame someone. >> politics all over, isn't it? >> politics all over, isn't it? >> yeah. yeah >> yeah. yeah >> hahaha . well you're me now is >> hahaha. well you're me now is former i'm a celebrity contestant and the legendary radio and tv presenter pat sharp . ooh mate, thank you so much for coming on the show. you kiss my sister on the cheek at clapham common. it's an 80s weekend there. a few years ago she hasn't washed it ever since. pat, very much. you pat, thank you very much. you made a very, look . it made a very, very happy look. it might a funny thing to say, might seem a funny thing to say, but you to this stage but when you get to this stage of a celebrity doubt of i'm a celebrity as no doubt you able to furnish us you will be able to furnish us with small with more information. small things rice
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things like burning the rice really matter . really matter. >> that's it. martin you're absolutely right. >> and hi to your sister as well. i hope she's well. um i'm just thinking that it's the little things that matter in the jungle and you're absolutely right. >> it's just petty things that become, like, biggest things become, like, the biggest things in because think in your life because you think to what have i to yourself, what else have i got? still here. got? i'm still here. >> so you start >> i'm stuck. so you start arguing all of petty arguing over all sorts of petty things . things. >> and what the producers >> and that's what the producers actually because the rice actually want, because the rice can become the meat of the matter, really. so i think they want some some aggravation and there hasn't been a lot. they've got on pretty well, haven't they? nigel's been really nice guy. >> guy- >> do you guy. >> do you think, pat, that nigel's been the surprise package lot people as you package a lot of people as you said, to the said, wanted him to be the bogeyman man. they wanted him to get actual get the boot, but actual fact, what's to me , what's happened, it seems to me, is that the farage army have been voting out the people that have disagreed with we've have disagreed with him. we've seen french, fred. seen the back of french, fred. we saw the back nelly . he's we saw the back of nelly. he's now favourite seize now second favourite to seize the crown. were in there . the crown. you were in there. you went through the rigmarole. you went through the rigmarole. you know how to win. what do you
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think you should do to pip it? >> first of all, i didn't >> well, first of all, i didn't win it, and i don't think it's the winning that matters, really. >> it's the taking that >> it's the taking part that counts and being involved in it. >> one very people >> you're one of very few people in the who get a chance in the world who get a chance to do this, and it's an incredible thing to be part of. but think thing to be part of. but i think that you look at nigel that if you if you look at nigel as and i've done his as a person and i've done his talking show on your talking point show on on your channel and that's only time channel and that's the only time i've him and he'sjust i've ever met him and he's just a really regular, nice a really he's a regular, nice guy. know from working guy. as you know from working with and here with him in the past. and here on channel. on this channel. >> he you know, he comes >> and he you know, he comes across as a educated, pleasant guy and he's not pushy. >> he's not unkind, and he's just joining in and mucking in and if burning the rice is the worst thing he does, then maybe he won't be prime minister after this. but as you say , he might this. but as you say, he might be king be the king >> let's talk about the editing of the show, pat. something that's got people a bit hot under the collar about there were accusations, early doors that nigel was being airbrushed out of it and they were only
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showing the bad bits. now, as the contestant who's been on the inside side, how much of the editing, how big a part of the show is the editing? and did you feel in your time in the jungle that key bits were left out or small things were flammed up to make it more spicy ? make it more spicy? >> the editing that is everything . martin it's everything. martin it's absolutely everything. it's all down to how edit you. down to how they edit you. that's you sign for, and that's what you sign up for, and they'll catch you they'll be looking to catch you out for the slightest thing that you might do that might you might do that you might think throwaway think is just a throwaway line. and whole and that could become a whole story from saying story from just saying one little or little word to someone or whispering something someone. whispering something to someone. when you think the cameras aren't you. and as danielle aren't on you. and as danielle said when came out, i think said when she came out, i think it last night and she said , it was last night and she said, you know, you have no idea there are cameras on you. you feel like you're just camping with your mates. and that's what they're for. they're they're looking for. they're looking for the little faux pass, little of spice pass, the little bit of spice that don't get on your food. that you don't get on your food. they edit and do they can get in the edit and do you forget in the end that you're on camera all the time on microphone all the time? >> you become kind of
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>> do you become so kind of inured in it, or are you always at the fact, oh god, at mind for the fact, oh god, i'm spied on everywhere? i'm being spied on everywhere? how's it feel? >> well, that's an interesting question because there are some cameras that are literally there and see them right at you. and you see them right at you. and then there's ones and then there's other ones that are you think are just hidden. so you think you're out of shot and nothing's going happen. and they going to happen. and then they suddenly you hear a whirring noise the and when i noise from the tree. and when i was it, don't know if was in it, i don't know if that's thing now, but that's the same thing now, but some i'm sure some of the rocks i'm not sure if you them on the show or if you see them on the show or not, but they surround the main camp campfire. those camp and the campfire. those rocks made and there's rocks are man made and there's like little tunnels the like little tunnels where the guys into them and then they guys go into them and then they set camera from behind set up their camera from behind a rock that looks through a dummy rock that looks through at quite it's at you. and it's quite it's quite an interesting thing because you can hear them laughing sometimes or , or, you laughing sometimes or, or, you know, just giggling away even know, just giggling away or even munching lunch on munching on their lunch on occasions you've got good occasions if you've got good ears, superb . ears, superb. >> pat sharp, thank you so much for joining us, legendary radio forjoining us, legendary radio presenter. course, presenter. and of course, tv legend. all round legend. and all round all round gentleman, thank you very much for coming on the show tonight. pleasure okay. nigel, the pleasure okay. well, nigel, the king this
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king of brexit has got this message you . message for you. >> i'm asking to vote >> i'm asking you to vote remain. no, seriously, vote for me to remain in the jungle. now, the easiest way to do it is to get the imacelebrity app that gives you five free votes . or gives you five free votes. or you can phone or text. now, remember , if you want to remember, if you want to register to vote for nigel farage, you'll need to grab your phone and scan that qr code that's on your screen right now. >> that helps you to >> and that helps you to download imacelebrity app. download the imacelebrity app. and as nigel just said, you can vote for him five times per day. now it's that lovely time of the day when michelle dewberry hoves into view in the studio. of course, she is dewbs& co from six. >> well, i'm jubes the cur is patiently waiting outside . patiently waiting outside. >> he's the co tonight. >> he's the co tonight. >> paul embry can't shake him off on a friday because he has a free pint. he likes it. and lord moylan. >> right. that's going to kick off my friday favourites . we've off my friday favourites. we've been a lot today about been talking a lot today about is politics in the gutter and we looked at this stuff about keir
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starmer again, harassed and harangued on the train to glasgow, getting followed in the streets. think yobbos streets. these i think yobbos outside his hotel i think outside his hotel and i think they're the same sort people they're the same sort of people that throw milkshakes and that would throw milkshakes and nigel now harassing nigel farage are now harassing the labour party. we talked about this conservative campaign. won't the hand campaign. i won't do the hand gesture where think gesture. where do you think politics is just going down the toilet in this country? >> well, it's not great, is it? i mean, we're hardly going to be showcasing professionalism showcasing our professionalism anytime a stage. anytime soon on a global stage. two people sitting going, two people sitting there going, wow, i want to be like, you are we? at the of the day, we? but at the end of the day, if work the public eye if you work in the public eye and policies that and if you make policies that affect lives for good and if you make policies that af1for lives for good and if you make policies that af1for worse, lives for good and if you make policies that af1for worse, then es for good and if you make policies that af1for worse, then you'rejood and if you make policies that af1for worse, then you're going or for worse, then you're going to get interactions and you're going on that. going to get feedback on that. and can't handle you and if you can't handle it, you probably be probably shouldn't be in politics to be fair. >> but do you reckon it's fair we see on screen now starmer >> but do you reckon it's fair we took ee on screen now starmer >> but do you reckon it's fair we tookee on supan now starmer >> but do you reckon it's fair we tookee on sup to now starmer >> but do you reckon it's fair we tookee on sup to glasgowmer just took a train up to glasgow so was harassed train. so he was harassed on the train. they're following him out. socialist all socialist worker. they're all giving of giving him major amounts of stick. control of stick. he's not in control of the let alone what we the country, let alone what we do internationally is accept all. worked in all. do you reckon you worked in politics? you got some stick. >> awful. was when >> it was awful. it was when i ran election . honestly, it
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ran for election. honestly, it was absolute cesspit. and i was an absolute cesspit. and i must say against every must say i ran against every single party. to be clear, i ran first as independent first as an independent as secondly party secondly as a brexit party candidate. but on occasions candidate. but on both occasions , as got dogs abuse and i can , as i got dogs abuse and i can tell you now that i would say almost all of it came from the supporters of labour because and don't forget, i was competing against tories as against all of them tories as well, was the left well, but it was the left side that so angry . like people that was so angry. like people used to come up to me and tell me i had get out of the city. me i had to get out of the city. i wasn't welcome in their city. who to that i should who was i to think that i should be and it all be in that city? and it was all because city hall or our city because my city hall or our city hall predominantly hall, it is predominantly labouh hall, it is predominantly labour. put a tin of labour. you could put a tin of baked beans with a red rosette on it and it would get elected because people's dad voted labouh because people's dad voted labour, voted labour, their grandad voted labour on and forth. labour and so on and so forth. and people an and people saw it as an absolute, like an audacity that someone would be there trying to change that status quo . and it change that status quo. and it wasn't very nice. i can't lie, but i do also say and maintain that if you want to get into pubuc that if you want to get into public office, then you are going to have to take the rough
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with the smooth. you can't it can't all be prime ministerial cars, private jets and private helicopters and posh fancy dos, cani'm afraid have to wrap helicopters and posh fancy dos, carhaveifraid have to wrap helicopters and posh fancy dos, carhave time have to wrap helicopters and posh fancy dos, carhave time to have to wrap helicopters and posh fancy dos, carhave time to talk e to wrap helicopters and posh fancy dos, carhave time to talk about rap it. have time to talk about what? >> oh, let me just ask you this. i to how forgiving are i want to ask how forgiving are my there's reason i want to ask how forgiving are my they there's reason i want to ask how forgiving are my they won't here's reason i want to ask how forgiving are my they won't forgive reason i want to ask how forgiving are my they won't forgive meison why they won't forgive me if i don't cut to county don't cut now to county tipperary the funeral mass tipperary as the funeral mass for frontman shane for the pogues frontman shane macgowan is taking place . macgowan is taking place. >> we're not going to that . >> we're not going to that. >> we're not going to that. >> we're not going to that. >> we're just looking at me, looking . just before we start looking. just before we start this , i have a note from andrew this, i have a note from andrew rankin, the pogues drummer, in case don't know andrew is very ill with copd and cannot travel today, but he did ask me if i could read this so i ask your indulgence just a note to shane and a very short poem. >> thank you, shane . thank you >> thank you, shane. thank you for the friendship . thank you for the friendship. thank you for the friendship. thank you for the friendship. thank you for the conversation . thank you for the conversation. thank you for the conversation. thank you for the conversation. thank you
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for the insights. thank you for the laughter at times . the laughter at times. sidesplitting hilarity . thank sidesplitting hilarity. thank you for the craftsmanship up. thank you for the poetry . thank thank you for the poetry. thank you for the soul and thank you for the jazz. and thank you, shane, above all, for those brilliant , timeless, shining brilliant, timeless, shining songs as we also shared a deep appreciation, a deep appreciation, a deep appreciation and love of nature, hence a short poem, the swifts , hence a short poem, the swifts, the joyous peal of speeding swifts , dark flecks of airborne swifts, dark flecks of airborne ecstasy . and suddenly there gone ecstasy. and suddenly there gone rest in peace, shane, with love from andrew. and that goes for all of . us all of. us >> well .
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>> well. oh all the money. my heart is spent within the calm pain below . oh, the ha . but i don't. alas . oh, the ha. but i don't. alas was done to lie within fast run for one. to wit , to memory. now for one. to wit, to memory. now why can't you go so both of you, the parting glass . good night. the parting glass. good night. and joy. be with you . and joy. be with you. oh love, come as i am a high a sorry for my calling and all a sweetheart i am a heart that wish me one
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more time as time falls unto my lot . when i should rise. and you lot. when i should rise. and you shall i'll suffer your gently call . good night and joy be with call. good night and joy be with you . all if i had money enough you. all if i had money enough to spare let the time to sit awhile . awhile. >> there is a bar al fayed in the town. >> she saw . >> she saw. >> she saw. >> he has my heart beguiled her rosy cheek and ruby lips. i don't . she has my heart. rosy cheek and ruby lips. i don't . she has my heart . and don't. she has my heart. and forever love me. but parting
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the impulse. before our final commendation, which father larkin lead us in, i'd just like to thank the men here at the back. to thank the men here at the back . my brother, priests, back. my brother, priests, father rixon, all the way from kerala . kerala. >> father john malloy, a native >> fatherjohn malloy, a native here of nenagh father, brendan from silvermines , father john from silvermines, father john sheehy from nenagh , and our new sheehy from nenagh, and our new member of the team, father larkin, who will lead us in the
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of life that i personally think i've ever seen. what a fantastic send off that was. and i'll be showing you a real highlight if you can even call that as part of a funeral. but i can tell you, if i had to send off half as good of that, what an absolute privilege it would be. and i'll bring you as i said, one of those key moments from that service before the end of the program. but for now , i am the program. but for now, i am michelle dewberry. this is jubes anchor and we have got a lot to get through over the next hour, starting with the fact that of course, there is another divide hitting tory party this time hitting the tory party this time , believe it or not. yes, you did hear this right. centres did hear this right. it centres around a tweet. yes, a tweets. ken rishi sunak unites his party or is indeed that just wishful
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