of life that i personally think i've ever seen. what a fantastic send off that was. and i'll be showing you a real highlight if you can even call that as part of a funeral. but i can tell you, if i had to send off half as good of that, what an absolute privilege it would be. and i'll bring you as i said, one of those key moments from that service before the end of the program. but for now , i am the program. but for now, i am michelle dewberry. this is jubes anchor and we have got a lot to get through over the next hour, starting with the fact that of course, there is another divide hitting tory party this time hitting the tory party this time , believe it or not. yes, you did hear this right. centres did hear this right. it centres around a tweet. yes, a tweets. ken rishi sunak unites his party or is indeed that just wishful

thinking? and let's cross to the ukraine war, because an an aid package worth around $61 billion is currently being blocked over in the states. many are saying this is basically a christmas gift for putin. so what do you think? should the uk step up, help out and pay even more? and get this, a university has said it will no longer have the national anthem as part of its graduation ceremonies because apparently old fashioned. apparently it's old fashioned. and get this offensive to some dear me, what on earth do you make to that? and let me ask you this. how forgiving are you? of course, the christmas season is indeed upon us, but many be indeed upon us, but many will be separated friends and separated from friends and family rifts from family because of rifts from years by. do you forgive, years gone by. do you forgive, forget move on or . not yes, forget and move on or. not yes, indeed. i've got all of that to come before 7:00. but before we get stuck into the debate, let's cross live for tonight's latest headunes.

headlines. >> thanks, michelle. i'm sophia wenzler in the newsroom. downing street has rejected claims mps were misled over the cost of the rwanda scheme. that's after it emerged the asylum plan has reached £240 million before any flights have taken off. ministers expect a further 50 million will be spent in the coming year. rishi sunak, who's facing division within his party over the policy , is hoping to over the policy, is hoping to rush emergency legislation through parliament with the first vote on tuesday , a man has first vote on tuesday, a man has been jailed for life with a minimum term of 20 years for stabbing two police officers in central london in great windmill street . street. >> stay where you are . get back. >> stay where you are. get back. >> stay where you are. get back. >> the met police has now released body cam footage of the attack . mohammed rahman stabbed attack. mohammed rahman stabbed pc joseph gerard in the neck and chest and pc alana mulhall in the arm after a police pursuit

in september last year. the 25 year old was convicted of attempted murder and grievous bodily harm . a teenager has been bodily harm. a teenager has been arrested on suspicion of murdering a woman who was shot deadin murdering a woman who was shot dead in east london. 42 year old leanne gordon was killed in hackney on tuesday evening . she hackney on tuesday evening. she was one of three people found with gunshot wounds, a 20 year old man and a 16 year old boy were taken to hospital. prince harry has lost a legal challenge in a libel claim against the publisher of the mail on sunday. it means the case must go to trial . the it means the case must go to trial. the duke of it means the case must go to trial . the duke of sussex is trial. the duke of sussex is suing associate newspapers limited over an article about his legal challenge against the home office following changes to his security arrangements . his his security arrangements. his lawyers say the story was an attack on his integrity and would undermine his charity work . associated newspapers limited argues it expressed honest opinion and caused no serious harm to prince harry's reputation . a blast that damaged reputation. a blast that damaged a ulez camera in south east

london has been described as grotesquely irresponsible by the london mayor's office. counter—terror police are leading an investigation into the incident, which happened in sidcup on wednesday night while it's not being treated as terrorism, the explosion is believed to have been a deliberate act. the decision to expand the ultra low emission zone in the capital has led to a surge in vandalism in a gender reform ruling has been described as a dark day for devolution by scotland's first minister. scotland's first minister. scotland has highest civil court found the government acted lawfully by blocking the controversial bill. the legislation , which makes it legislation, which makes it easier for people to change their legally recognised sex, received cross—party support in holyrood. humza yousaf says the judgement confirms that devolution is fundamentally flawed. msp rachel hamilton believes the court's ruling is right. really concerning bit of legislation, but also the main reason that we didn't vote for

this legislation was that it would have had an impact on the protection of women and girls. >> and we know that self—id system subsequently did have an impact because isla bryson , impact because isla bryson, after raping two women, was then placed in a female estate after changing gender. >> a funeral for the pogues frontman shane macgowan is being held in ireland. his bandmates pay held in ireland. his bandmates pay tribute a short while ago singing song the parting glass . singing song the parting glass. by singing song the parting glass. by heart was spent. in good come back and our hearts. >> but i long alas , was to >> but i long alas, was to family, friends, politicians and celebrities, including hollywood star johnny depp, all gathered to pay their final respects in county tipperary. >> singer nick cave performed a rainy night in soho and recording of u2 frontman bono . recording of u2 frontman bono. delivering a reading was also

played . his sister siobhan and played. his sister siobhan and widow victoria , mary clarke, widow victoria, mary clarke, gave eulogies. widow victoria, mary clarke, gave eulogies . this is gb news gave eulogies. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in your across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio, and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. and now it's back to . michelle to. michelle >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me i've got my panel tonight alongside me i've got my panel. a conservative life peer in the house of lords, daniel moylan and the writer and trade unionist paul embery. good evening to both of you. and you know the drill, don't you? it's not just about us three here. it's very much about you guys at home as well. what's on your mind you can get in mind tonight? you can get in touch with us all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com. or you can me at news. i've can tweet me at gb news. i've got a lot that i want to get into with you tonight. to into with you tonight. i want to talk party carnage talk the tory party carnage continues, it? want continues, doesn't it? i want to talk about should we be talk about ukraine. should we be giving the ukraine war more money? and i also want to ask

you about the national anthem. is it offensive? honestly, and a lot more. but before i get stuck into all of that news of the day, daniel moylan , i heard you day, daniel moylan, i heard you doing like a little it was kind of chortle . i hope it wasn't of a chortle. i hope it wasn't wind or anything, but i certainly heard you doing a sound when was discussing. sound when we was discussing. the was discussing the newsreader was discussing just then, prince harry's legal case and the loss of that. why? well he's worried about his reputation. >> he's saying his reputation has been damaged and all i'm thinking is that, well, if you want to preserve your if you're a of the royal family and a member of the royal family and you preserve your you want to preserve your reputation, could learn from you want to preserve your reputtmembers could learn from you want to preserve your reputtmembers oled learn from you want to preserve your reputtmembers of the .earn from you want to preserve your reputtmembers of the royal rom other members of the royal family and which is basically stay of court and that's stay out of court and that's what managed to do at what they've managed to do at and although, you know, regard for the royal family goes up and down generally it down a bit generally it recovers. and as we at the moment, we have very high regard for the royal family, the working royal family and possibly less regard for the one member of it who keeps traipsing in and out of court. >> this is my doppelganger. you're talking here. yes, you're talking about here. yes,

i'm i you're talking about here. yes, i'mi know. >> i know. >> i know. >> i know you are. you like you are. >> you are what? harry's going to look like all of this. >> all of this. i've never been so insulted. >> the insults have begun already. it's only eight minutes past. >> all of this meant i'll anguish harry is anguish that poor harry is experiencing sticking experiencing and you're sticking the daniel. the boot in daniel. >> for be you, >> it must for be great you, though. do do you ever do though. do you. do you ever do any work as a lookalike? well, i could have done, but then he scarpered to didn't he? scarpered to america, didn't he? >> that? yeah. for >> and after that? yeah. for privacy. the britain's up privacy. the britain's dried up after that. and i'm just an ordinary news pundit now. oh, ordinary gb news pundit now. oh, you're to you're not just trying to scratch living. you're not just trying to scfioh, living. you're not just trying to scfioh, li'well, if anyone wants >> oh, no. well, if anyone wants a prince harry lookalike, you'd be thinking, how be sitting there thinking, how can i make my christmas work party extra special? it go party extra special? let it go is for bookings. i can is available for bookings. i can be take a small be your agent. i'll take a small cut. could do some deals by cut. we could do some deals by the of the program. cut. we could do some deals by the bar of the program. cut. we could do some deals by the bar mitzvahs?�*gram. >> bar mitzvahs? >> bar mitzvahs? >> yes. anything. quite frankly. anything frankly. anything quite frankly. court cases. let's. cases. anything anyway, let's. we'll about the royal we'll talk about the royal family, to talk family, because i want to talk you the national anthem. you about the national anthem. actually, has actually, university has basically they're not basically said that they're not going have the national going to have the national anthem anymore, their graduations, because they say it's offensive

it's old fashioned and offensive to some give me a break. what do you think to that? we'll get on to that before the end of the program. but for now, let's talk the tories, shall we? because it never seems to end, does it? my nana used to have saying that nana used to have a saying that you air your dirty laundry you don't air your dirty laundry in do think in public. and i do think there's lot of tories out there's a lot of tories out there's a lot of tories out there that could kind of heed her good advice because there's yet rift the yet another rift doing the rounds again something we rounds again today. something we touched on last touched very briefly on last night. that the tory night. a tweet that the tory party had put out on their social media. let's just have a little don't worry, little look. don't worry, everyone, if easily everyone, if you're easily offended, we've blurred out a bit in the middle, which is the main finger if you're listening, not watching it is, of course, that bbc reporter put that bbc reporter that put her finger up just before you went live on air. i feel very sorry for her, you know, because, you know, human and we do know, we're all human and we do do things. before we do strange things. before we go live air. we don't sit here live on air. we don't sit here with like especially me. if i accidentally switched i accidentally get switched on, i can you it won't be pretty. can tell you it won't be pretty. but anyway, like, there but for the of god, go of us the grace of god, go all of us is say. anyway, the tory

is what i say. anyway, the tory party up and said, read party put it up and said, read the caption, did labour when you ask for their plans tackle ask for their plans to tackle illegal well, illegal immigration? well, a variety tories have variety of different tories have come publicly and come out now publicly and criticised asked for this criticised it and asked for this to post be taken down. i've got to post be taken down. i've got to say the tories are having none have left it up. none of it and have left it up. who's writing this? >> well, really worried >> well, what i'm really worried about news. mean , about is gb news. why? i mean, why you blanked that out? why have you blanked that out? i mean, i haven't seen this. what's that's triggered me that as blanking because, as that blanking out because, i mean, can with the mean, i can cope with the finger. got fingers. finger. look i've got fingers. you got, you know, i'm used you have got, you know, i'm used to i know what they do. to fingers. i know what they do. and what could that that could be other be something other than a finger. >> don't know what finger. >> don't knowwhat old finger. >> don't know what old an >> i don't know what an old an old english like you. old english gentleman like you. >> wouldn't like it that has >> you wouldn't like it that has really triggered. >> tell why we've >> should i tell you why we've blurred completely, blurred out completely, completely and blanking blurred out completely, com out? ly and blanking blurred out completely, com out? ly tell and blanking blurred out completely, com out? ly tell younnd blanking blurred out completely, com out? ly tell you why. .anking that out? i'll tell you why. yeah on. right. so when yeah go on. right. so when you're a parent or a grandparent, example, grandparent, for example, you spend lot time spend an awful lot of time telling your kids, don't telling your kids, you don't swear, don't do this, you swear, you don't do this, you don't that. and if a child, don't do that. and if a child, for example, was to that, if for example, was to do that, if you're good parent, i suspect you're a good parent, i suspect you'd be telling if

you'd be telling them off. if you'd be telling them off. if you put your telly on at you then put your telly on at the tea time and a respectable news is displaying news programme is displaying that see you're that for all to see while you're having your with your having your tea with your children. got for children. i've got to say, for me personally a presenter, me personally as a presenter, i don't think that's cool. well, it could be for that reason. >> imagination. >> children have imagination. i mean, could be anything. it mean, that could be anything. it could be a sparkler. it could mean, that could be anything. it c(firecracker,)arkler. it could mean, that could be anything. it c(firecracker, itrkler. it could mean, that could be anything. it c(firecracker, it couldit could mean, that could be anything. it c(firecracker, it could be ould a firecracker, it could be anything. you'd be in anything. you'd be waving in front of your face. you know, i think you've got to be honest with i think jeb with people. and i think jeb news particularly news is being particularly wimpish about this. >> moyles is exactly the >> daniel moyles is exactly the sort that finds the sort of attitude that finds the national offensive. national anthem offensive. >> come back that. >> and we'll come back to that. >> and we'll come back to that. >> and we'll come back to that. >> and are doing a very good >> and you are doing a very good politician response of completely point, completely swerving the point, which of the which is the division of the tories taking me off on tories and taking me off on a tangent over there. so back to the issue, what's going on the main issue, what's going on with you is, is the running with you is, is, is the running drama, the sopranos, dallas drama, the sopranos, the dallas whatever our of our modern whatever of our of our modern life i think we've all got life and i think we've all got used to it i mean that and nigel in jungle are the two things in the jungle are the two things that and it keeps that people watch and it keeps them division in them going there is division in them going there is division in the party the tory party >> there no doubt at all >> there is no doubt at all about that. and better that about that. and it's better that we about it than that

we know about it than that we don't about in my view. don't know about it in my view. so washing it out a bit in the public, whatever your grandmother said is good the grandmother said is good for the good for public debate and pubuc good for public debate and public information. >> ian and that's but >> ian and that's great, but you've got a key vote on tuesday. if that division tuesday. so if that division doesn't out, it will doesn't sort itself out, it will be for the tories or be curtains for the tories or for rishi sunak. >> well, going be very >> well, it's going to be very difficult the prime minister >> well, it's going to be very di he ult the prime minister >> well, it's going to be very di he is the prime minister >> well, it's going to be very di he is defeated'rime minister >> well, it's going to be very di he is defeated onie minister >> well, it's going to be very di he is defeated on tuesdayar >> well, it's going to be very di he is defeated on tuesday in if he is defeated on tuesday in by effectively by by his own party effectively, that would be extremely difficult for him. it's true. i mean , the bill it's true. i mean, the bill itself is almost certain to be defeated in the lords and there's no way he can rescue it from the lords really. >> would it be if it passed by a stonking majority ? would it be stonking majority? would it be by a stonking majority? but if it you guys wouldn't try it did, you guys wouldn't try and go that, would you? and go against that, would you? >> wouldn't. i wouldn't. >> yes, i wouldn't. i wouldn't. >> yes, i wouldn't. i wouldn't. >> i'm to come back >> well, i'm going to come back to . to that. >> i'm going to vote the >> i'm going to vote for the bill. there people in bill. but there are people in the house of lords who would certainly out several certainly vote it out several times. to unpick that, times. i want to unpick that, unpack it. >> wu w- >> but before i do, i'm conscious that paul prince harry

looked a like needs to be looked a bit like needs to be brought where are you on brought in. where are you on this? we'll unpick that last this? and we'll unpick that last point sec. point in a sec. >> war in the tory civil >> tory war in the tory civil war. for anyone in the war. great for anyone in the labour party to the tories labour party to see the tories at each other's throats the at each other's throats in the run general election. run up to a general election. what's not to like? and they really at i mean, there really are at war. i mean, there is bloodletting, there, in is bloodletting, isn't there, in the party. you've got the the tory party. you've got the erg, the liberal erg, you've got the liberal tendency is much now tendency which is very much now dominated back behind the wheel. you've new conservative, you've got the new conservative, if common arm. if you like, common sense arm. >> all going if you like, common sense arm. >> you all going if you like, common sense arm. >> you know, ng if you like, common sense arm. >> you know, the small c social conservatives. and just get conservatives. and i just get the that i mean, main the sense that i mean, the main political parties all political parties are all a broad church. labour party is a broad church. labour party is a broad church. labour party is a broad church. the tories like to call broad church. call themselves a broad church. i wonder sometimes as i just wonder sometimes if as a mainstream political party you i just wonder sometimes if as a mainsbeam political party you i just wonder sometimes if as a mains be too3olitical party you i just wonder sometimes if as a mainsbe too broadil party you i just wonder sometimes if as a mainsbe too broad a party you i just wonder sometimes if as a mainsbe too broad a church.»u could be too broad a church. some people said that about some people have said that about the party over years. the labour party over the years. i'm wondering it's true i'm wondering now if it's true of tory party with all of of the tory party with all of these disparate groups, you know, wets, know, you've got the wets, the people left, you've got people on the left, you've got the, you know, the people on, as i said, the erg what people i said, the erg what some people term right, the term as the hard right, the singapore on thames crew, that was how saw brexit. you've was how they saw brexit. you've

got danny kruger got the likes of danny kruger involved the new involved in the new conservatives we've got involved in the new co be rvatives we've got involved in the new co be moreas we've got involved in the new co be more rooted. we've got involved in the new co be more rooted. we've e got involved in the new co be more rooted. we've got »t involved in the new co be more rooted. we've got to to be more rooted. we've got to talk about the old talk more about the old traditional faith and traditional faith flag and family. the three issues and you just wonder if they can possibly kind of hold this together. and i'm not sure they can. and i don't think i've ever kind of thought before that the tory party could split . and not party could split. and i'm not necessarily it's going to necessarily saying it's going to happen now, but you could see the ingredients of potentially there because you find it difficult to see how these groups can possibly reconcile themselves. it may be that themselves. and it may be that a thumping defeat may be thumping election defeat may be the catalyst for some sort of split in the ranks. so you're going to see you're in the thick of it literally does it is it is this all kind of media hype and media tittle tattle and people desperate for content that are trying to kind of highlight things where perhaps they're not as serious and as deep divisions as serious and as deep divisions as they may possibly be in reality, or is it really divided? >> you know, this is your party. do you feel it is? well i

actually got slightly more respect for the media than that because many of these journalists who write about the conservative party and the labour party for a living are really quite people and really quite serious people and they be writing about they wouldn't be writing about something they didn't have some substance something they didn't have some subtheye something they didn't have some subthey wouldn't just be >> they wouldn't just be inventing so think you inventing stuff. so i think you have accept that there is have to accept that there is there are differences and there are real differences and they're brought to the fore by hard decisions. it's when you have to make a decision that you find you you you fall out. and there are hard decisions facing there are hard decisions facing the country about immigration. there are hard decisions facing the country about net zero. there decisions facing there are hard decisions facing the the economy the country about the economy and what's the best way of promoting the economy and making us all more prosperous, which everybody wants to do. but there are disagreements about the best way of doing it. labour has the luxury of having to have any luxury of not having to have any policies on this at the moment, which is fair dos you know, they'll have manifesto they'll have to have a manifesto at stage, but opposition at some stage, but opposition parties are not under parties are not put under the same spotlight governing same spotlight as a governing party. the moment party. is but at the moment these coming thick and

these decisions coming thick and fast towards government and fast towards the government and they divisions and they are causing divisions and disagreements. so let's that's in a way not surprising . but as in a way not surprising. but as paul says, the question is whether you can actually reconcile them and patch them over and keep the show on the road, which most political parties manage to do over a penod parties manage to do over a period even when they disagree. i mean, just think back to weeks and in the labour and the splits in the labour party over gaza, the whole party was falling apart over gaza. >> yeah, don't >> it was, yeah, but i don't think impacts voters . i think that impacts on voters. i don't think voters necessarily care splits when comes care about splits when it comes to issues because to foreign policy issues because they , well, okay, you they think, well, okay, you know, the labour party is sort of fighting against amongst itself a little bit, how itself a little bit, but how does that impact on me as an ordinary voter in a cost of living crisis, struggling to pay my and on, whereas my mortgage and so on, whereas i think immigration being a touchstone at the moment touchstone issue at the moment in body politic britain in the body politic in britain really is an issue on the doorstep. and if the party is at war that and if you've got war on that and if you've got a large element of the party which is seen rightly or wrongly, to be trying to stop the government

from dealing with issue, from dealing with the issue, then voters do think, then i think voters do think, well, you've probably then i think voters do think, well, the you've probably then i think voters do think, well, the right ve probably then i think voters do think, well, the right to probably then i think voters do think, well, the right to govern ly forfeited the right to govern because are at each because if you are at each other's throats over something because if you are at each othe is throats over something because if you are at each othe is a1roats over something because if you are at each otheis a centralver something because if you are at each otheis a central issue mething because if you are at each otheis a central issue and1ing because if you are at each otheis a central issue and will that is a central issue and will be a central issue in the general election, then you can't get your own house order on get your own house in order on it. we trust you to it. why should we trust you to govern the country and i have to say, think the truth is, say, i think the truth is, daniel, think the tories have daniel, i think the tories have forfeited the right to govern well. i think all bad governments to point where governments get to a point where the has been abused so the trust has been abused so much and they they let down the voters so much . i sense now that voters so much. i sense now that people are thinking, look, you have forfeited the right to govern us. you've had all these sort changes prime sort of changes of prime minister. you've constant minister. you've been constant involved in this civil war for the few years. you haven't the last few years. you haven't delivered on mandate in delivered on your mandate in 2019. over . 2019. it's over. >> there you go. let's >> well, there you go. let's throw to guys at throw that out to you guys at home do you feel the way home then. do you feel the way that paul embry's suggesting that paul embry's suggesting that are you one of that voters feel? are you one of those people sit there as those people that sit there as well general election well and general election now? is that what you want to see happen? what do you think as well as that suggestion from i

think was frost about think it was lord frost about potentially replacing rishi sunak. we don't sunak. i mean, surely we don't need prime minister, need another prime minister, do we? anyway keep your thoughts coming vaiews@gbnews.com is coming in. vaiews@gbnews.com is how me next up, i want how you reach me next up, i want to talk to you about the war in ukraine over the states . ukraine over in the states. they've currently blocked a military aid package for that war. some people are saying that perhaps the uk could step up and increase our spending on that war. do you think we should you tell me. i'll see you .

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> hello there. i'm michel. to be with you till 7:00 on servative life here in the house of lords, daniel moylan and the writer and trade unionist paul embery alongside me. i do love you guys at home already. i've not even asked for it yet. already you're emailing in your pictures of your christmas trees. i just saw yours roof and juuan trees. i just saw yours roof and

julian there in alicante. they've just sent me theirs. i'm going to try and get some loaded up into the system and we can do a little christmas share at some point before the end of the program. that's nice. and it bnng program. that's nice. and it bring up little bit of bring up a little bit of christmas into the christmas cheer into the program. much bad stuff goes program. so much bad stuff goes on in this world, it? it's on in this world, isn't it? it's nice a little bit nice to just share a little bit of niceness. one viewers of niceness. one of my viewers says, thank you, michelle, for blaring that finger. we blaring out that finger. we really appreciate it. there really do appreciate it. there you moylan, some you go. lord moylan, some people, standards and people, i mean, standards and decency society, are decency in society, they are plummeting. luckily plummeting. but luckily, luckily by fingertips, i'm trying to by my fingertips, i'm trying to pull let's talk, shall pull them up. let's talk, shall we? ukraine i have to say, that does seem to get overshadowed a little bit at the moment, doesn't it, given the horrific situation when it comes to the goings on in gaza? but notwithstanding , david notwithstanding that, david cameron, lord cameron should i say, has said that if the united states doesn't keep funding ukraine, it could be a christmas present of vladimir putin. now, this is all about the fact that currently an aid package that was planned to go from the states into places like ukraine.

i mean, ukraine was set to get something like $61 billion in that package. well, it's currently been blocked. let me come to you on this. i mean, there's a few people saying, well, actually the uk could step up, help fund, further fund ukraine and all the rest of it. do you think that's what we should be doing? >> i think there should be >> well, i think there should be absolutely clear that putin's assault on ukraine is an attack on of us. and putin on all of us. and if putin succeeds , then our own defence succeeds, then our own defence is here and here in britain are seriously compromised because he will have taken a step through violence into annexing part of europe, which doesn't belong to him. and he is an immediate and imminent threat to parts of west parts of what we call the west, especially in the baltic states and it is going to put nato under huge strain . this package under huge strain. this package is still supported by the us government and as far as i know, it's held up in congress because

it's held up in congress because it's tied up with american domestic politics. it may yet be released . released. >> it's to do with like immigration. what they're saying is there wasn't enough kind of immigration in bits and bobs attached to that that's tied up in american politics, immigration is the story everywhere. >> domestically. but ukraine shouldn't as as a shouldn't be forgotten as as a major foreign story because it has real implications for us here. so i'm entirely with lord cameron in saying that we should do everything we can. we can't provide aid on the scale that the united states can, obviously. but then what is the european union doing ? they are european union doing? they are doing a lot. it's true. but if people need to step up , it needs people need to step up, it needs to be the whole of the european union and nato in europe and not just the united kingdom. just just the united kingdom. >> bring paul and >> clear before i bring paul and when you say should do when you say we should do everything can, i mean, would everything we can, i mean, would you advocate british boots you ever advocate british boots being on the ground? not for training i mean, being on the ground? not for traifighting i mean, being on the ground? not for traifighting there�*an, for fighting purposes there at the moment? for fighting purposes there at the rthink1t? for fighting purposes there at the rthink that would be a step >> i think that would be a step too far, but it might actually have to at some point, you know, those russian boots going to those russian boots are going to be threatening us and our

be really threatening us and our allies, we're allies, our allies that we're bound treaty allies, that bound to by treaty allies, that if attacked, will if they're attacked, we will have to war. have to go to war. >> which allies? have to go to war. >> who h allies? have to go to war. >> who estonia,�* have to go to war. >> who estonia, for example, latvia, lithuania, finland, those countries are tied to us through nato by treaty so that if they are attacked by russia, we go to war. daniel that's not going to happen. it's not going to happen. >> russia is not i mean, putin is a tyrant, no question about it. but he's not completely stupid that he's going to invade a nato country because he will know about ukraine. >> he will know that everyone said exactly that about ukraine. >> ukraine is not nato, is it? >> ukraine is not nato, is it? >> but everyone said exactly that about ukraine. he's not stupid. >> it was a different proposition and he knew that there wouldn't be nato boots on there wouldn't be nato boots on the ukraine. he the ground in ukraine. he probably know, probably knew that, you know, the the eu would arm and the us and the eu would arm and fund ukraine, but he knew they wouldn't boots ground. wouldn't be boots on the ground. something like going into estonia or somewhere. that's something like going into erdifferent somewhere. that's something like going into erdifferent proposition that's something like going into erdifferent proposition entirely's a different proposition entirely . and know, there's no . and you know, there's no there's no way. i think in reality he would take that step

when he knows that it would provoke nato they would have to invoke the collective defence article. >> was it article 5 or 6? >> was it article 5 or 6? >> yeah. and then basically you're into, you're into world war iii. but the truth is, this is exactly what people said. >> lot of people said about >> a lot of people said about hitler. of course, and this is exactly the sort of talk that got complacency that got us into the you think there's any >> but do you think there's any logic to what he's saying? >> hold on. >> em- em— >> is there some logic to it? of course it different step. course it is a different step. >> let's not go comparing putin and hitler in of their and hitler in terms of their aspiration you can aspiration actions. you can compare terms of being compare them in terms of being tyrants. certainly i'll go with you but in of you on that. but in terms of their aspirations think their aspirations is, i think their aspirations is, i think the that putin wants to the idea that putin wants to march through most of europe like hitler did and, you know, create greater create some sort of greater russian , he occasionally russian empire, he occasionally gets that . but gets accused of that. but actually, you see the way actually, when you see the way they've down in they've been bogged down in ukraine two years, ukraine for nearly two years, the idea that they're going to advance across some sort of blitzkrieg across europe in the way hitler did and, you way that hitler did and, you know, destroy as hitler did, you

know, destroy as hitler did, you know, invaded the low countries and france and so on. he's just completely fanciful. that isn't that isn't putin's intention. let's be let's be honest again. >> again, you see, take the historical comparison. we didn't know hitler's intentions as in the 1930. he never said, i'm going to march all the way across europe. he said, oh, i just want a little bit of czechoslovakia. i want a little bit of this, a little bit of that. we didn't his intention. >> i think some people were alive to it. >> some thought knew >> some people thought they knew and they were alive to it. but the majority of people in the government it, government didn't know it, didn't intentions, just didn't know his intentions, just the talking the same way you're talking about don't know about putin now. we don't know what putin intends. we do what what putin intends. we do know that is a threat. we know that he is a threat. we know that he is a threat. we know that he is a threat. we know that if putin succeeds in this threat, then he will be he will be he will be more powerful in threatening something against his immediate what would then be his immediate what would then be his already his immediate neighbours in the baltic states, in moldavia , which is not part in moldavia, which is not part of nato in romania , which is of nato in romania, which is next which is and he's

next door, which is and he's already threatening moldavia, moldova, it's called, and so moldova, as it's called, and so on. so i think , you know, you're on. so i think, you know, you're being very, very complacent about this. this is a real threat . his about this. this is a real threat. his move is a threat to us, daniel, the war. >> and we can't detach ourselves from that. >> we are committed to it. but he has to lose the war in ukraine had a particular set of circumstances. >> now, i don't defend the invasion at all. i think it was absolutely wrong. but there was absolutely wrong. but there was a historical set of circumstances. got ethnic circumstances. you've got ethnic russian people in the east in the donbas, who lots of russians feel mistreated . they feel were being mistreated. they feel were being mistreated. they feel that nato was advancing eastward, that it was courting ukraine, that it was going right up to the russian border, and that it was therefore a threat to russia, because we know to russia, because we all know that was created, as you that nato was created, as you know, an explicitly know, as an explicitly anti soviet institution. and many people in russia still see it as an anti—russian institution. it was not brought about. we can condemn the invasion and we should, but it was not brought about by, in my view, imperial ambition in the way that hitler

had. and i think if we see it in those terms, we do ourselves a disservice and actually we do know we end up ratcheting it. >> we do know actually, because he essay about it that he wrote an essay about it that and published it in advance, a long essay in which putin made it very clear that he did have imperial imperial ambitions, which stretched as far as ukraine and belarus, to which he regards as being part of greater russia. should all be one russia. and it should all be one state absolute. know state that's absolute. i know that. it's absolute clear. that. but it's absolute clear. what you don't know is what the next essay is going to say. but the bigger picture is that, you know, regret to say it, know, and i regret to say it, but is not going to win but ukraine is not going to win this war. >> and even some people who were very, fulsome their very, very fulsome in their support think are support of ukraine, i think are reconciling themselves to the fact is bogged fact that ukraine is now bogged down the offensive it launched a few months ago clearly hasn't worked . they're burning through worked. they're burning through manpower faster manpower and equipment faster than can replace them . and than they can replace them. and you get to a point where you have say, look, we are have to say, look, we are probably to have to cut probably going to have to cut our because ukraine, our losses because ukraine, i don't now i think it's don't think now and i think it's becoming and more widely

becoming more and more widely accepted even among military chiefs , they are not going to chiefs, they are not going to win. so what need to do is win. so what they need to do is sue for peace and peace in a way that maintains the territorial integrity of ukraine, but at the same time giving some sort of autonomy to the ethnic russians in the east, which were what the minsk accords were built around, they had a peace deal. minsk accords were built around, the they a peace deal. minsk accords were built around, the they a pace deal. minsk accords were built around, the they a pa peace l. minsk accords were built around, the they a pa peace deal. well >> they had a peace deal. well why would you ever trust the russians in the next deal? russians in the next peace deal? >> hold on a second. i >> well, hold on a second. i don't why i don't think it's necessarily that straight. you're saying that the russians collapsed yeah, collapsed the peace deal? yeah, well, know. i don't well, i don't know. i don't i don't think the minsk accords. the accords, i don't the minsk accords, i don't accept was entirely accept that. that was entirely the fault of the russians for collapsing and i think collapsing it. and i think actually that can form basis actually that can form the basis of a of a new settlement . the of a of a new settlement. the problem is ukraine now has got less bargaining power because it is so bogged down and the counter offensive has failed that people and they were that those people and they were few and they were too few who were saying very early in this conflict, look, we need to find some sort of peaceful settlement

here. we're with hindsight probably right, because i think had that been the case, then, ukraine could have sued on terms that were actually better than the terms it may end up likely to be suing on in the next few weeks or months. and that ultimately is the tragedy and the people who have to bear responsibility for that, i think, are the who have think, are the people who have not for peace throughout not looked for peace throughout the the years of the whole of the two years of this been struck by this war. i've been struck by how there's been an absence of international voices across politics, across the religious world, people of influence who have said, look, you know, we need to find a peaceful way out of this. they do that for any other war, but it seems to me when it came to russia and ukraine, there were far too many people egging on and too few people egging it on and too few people egging it on and too few people how can people who were saying, how can we a peaceful settlement? we broker a peaceful settlement? and we're now paying the price for think yeah, i do for that. i think yeah, i do think it's interesting because we every we have pretty much every weekend we? weekend now, don't we? >> we have those marches and stuff about ceasefires now when it to like gaza. stuff about ceasefires now when it ukraine, like gaza. stuff about ceasefires now when it ukraine, where.ike gaza. stuff about ceasefires now when it ukraine, where are gaza. stuff about ceasefires now when it ukraine, where are gazthe but ukraine, where are all the people out on the

people that are out on the streets calling for ceasefire there and peace there, etcetera? you guys are divided on this one, it mildly. one, to put it mildly. i can tell says paul is tell you, susan says paul is completely wrong . putin is an completely wrong. putin is an evil man who hates the west. daniel is completely , fully daniel is completely, fully right . is daniel is completely, fully right. is this one here? daniel is completely, fully right . is this one here? says right. is this one here? says stewart says, i don't normally agree with paul on anything at all, but he is 100% correct when he's speaking about the uk, ukraine, russia conflict. simon says putin wants to recreate the ussr and bring all those countries back into his sphere of operation , and we must never of operation, and we must never allow him to believe that we would sit by and do nothing to prevent that . i mean, are there prevent that. i mean, are there any limits? i mean, we've just been talking about boots on the ground. we're talking about money, additional money. you know, if everyone is in support of are there limits at of this, are there any limits at all, red lines at all or all, any red lines at all or not? i think david cameron, i think he did actually say that his line would be that kind his red line would be that kind of potential boots of notion about potential boots on that one of on the ground. is that one of yours or not? and if it's money, if you're for all more money, is

there there or not? is it there a line there or not? is it just an open chequebook in your mind? let me know mind? get in touch. let me know your thoughts on that. vaiews@gbnews.com after the break. let me ask you something. is the national anthem offensive 7 is the national anthem offensive ? is it outdated ? you tell me, ? is it outdated? you tell me, because one particular universe city seems to think so. see you .

going too far the other way. >> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, the tory life peer in the house of lords, daniel moylan, and the writer and trade unionist paul embery. very bad news, i'm afraid , our listeners and afraid, our listeners and viewers, because i need to draw close to the christmas tree viewings because i've squeezed as many as i can into my system and i'm going to be showing them before the end the programme. before the end of the programme. but you're loving it. i've got more christmas trees i can

more christmas trees than i can shake stick at. so i'll keep shake a stick at. so i'll keep rolling do shake a stick at. so i'll keep ro again do shake a stick at. so i'll keep ro again next do shake a stick at. so i'll keep ro again next week. do shake a stick at. so i'll keep ro again next week. but do shake a stick at. so i'll keep ro again next week. but for do shake a stick at. so i'll keep ro again next week. but for now, it again next week. but for now, i want to talk to you about the national anthem because get this, everyone, bristol university, they've it now university, they've axed it now from graduation ceremonies from their graduation ceremonies because from their graduation ceremonies bquote, fashioned and i quote, old fashioned and i also, quote, offensive to some. i find that absolutely pathetic . i find that absolutely pathetic. paul embery, where are you on that? >> well, george orwell said that england is the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their nationality and i think, to be honest, our universities are proving the point. i mean, they are let's be blunt, they're sort of hotbeds these days of sort of liberal, progressive culture that kind of rails against any small c conservative express version of, you know, patriot ism affinity for country, affection for country and stuff like that. so i think that this is a symbol of that mindset, of that worldview , that mindset, of that worldview, too. and, you know, it's appalling really, because i'm not a jingoist , by the way. i

not a jingoist, by the way. i don't i don't like the idea of kids going in like they do in america and saluting the flag and singing the national anthem every morning. and stuff like and singing the national anthem everybutrning. and stuff like and singing the national anthem everybut i|ing. and stuff like and singing the national anthem everybut i thinkrnd stuff like and singing the national anthem everybut i think on stuff like and singing the national anthem everybut i think on a uff like and singing the national anthem everybut i think on a special that. but i think on a special occasion such as this, it's not a lot to to say. if the a lot to ask to say. if the national anthems are being played, why would want to played, why would you want to ban we seem to be the ban it? and we seem to be the only that does this sort only country that does this sort of nonsense. can you imagine in france, university la france, a university banning la marseillaise, graduation marseillaise, a graduation ceremony? wouldn't ceremony? it just wouldn't happen. i ceremony? it just wouldn't happen . i it shows the happen. and i think it shows the kind of pitiful state of our seats of learning at the moment. i'm sad to say, daniel, it's interesting that it's bristol again, isn't it? >> i mean, i actually think bristol is going to leave the united and just float united kingdom and just float out the middle out somewhere into the middle of the sea. the celtic sea. >> that your wish? >> is that your wish? >> is that your wish? >> saint george's channel? and it'll be, know, it'll be it'll be, you know, it'll be closing down of closing itself down as part of the united kingdom altogether for bristol, for something about bristol, it's bonkers . it's gone completely bonkers. yeah. the polls absolutely right. i mean, but i would ask people, you know, i'd ask the university of bristol, what

about the people who find it offensive that you don't play the national anthem ? what the national anthem? what consideration did you give to them and to their views? >> i wonder which would be the majority ? do you think the majority? do you think the majority? do you think the majority would be people that find it offensive or majority that that in that people that don't in bristol , you that people that don't in bristol, you have idea. bristol, you have no idea. >> in you couldn't tell. >> in bristol you couldn't tell. but in the country at large, the majority of people do find majority of people do not find the national anthem offensive. it the words go back and it is old. the words go back and the music go to the sort of the music go back to the sort of the music go back to the sort of the 18th century. we've already dropped of it because dropped one verse of it because it too offensive. we it was too offensive. we thought, think it's too thought, i don't think it's too offensive, about, offensive, but the one about, you about the king's you know, about the king's enemies and frustrate their politics, frustrate their neighbour about crushing, crushing the scots, which i think should be brought back in, was meant to be something. i don't know whether it doesn't explicitly refer to the scots. >> everyone knows that. >> yeah, everyone knows that. that's well, well, that's who we were. well, well, you whatever. you know, whatever. >> dropped that >> we've already dropped that that i mean, much that one. so i mean, how much more do we have to drop? more of it do we have to drop? we just we just hum. we we just left. we just hum. we could hum national anthem could hum the national anthem maybe, and they'd allow us to do

that. how about that? >> universities just us >> universities just give us a quick hum . quick hum. >> i'm going to make him do the whole thing. >> i'm going to go i'm going to whole thing. >> out going to go i'm going to whole thing. >> out toying to go i'm going to whole thing. >> out to the to go i'm going to whole thing. >> out to the toilet i'm going to whole thing. >> out to the toilet on going to go out to the toilet or somewhere and leave him humming. let bring my me let me just bring my let me bnng let me just bring my let me bring some of my viewers in. right. because jackie says michelle, i think this is just a step people trying to step towards people trying to remove national anthem. and remove the national anthem. and if can't see that, we've if people can't see that, we've got an bigger problem. she got an even bigger problem. she says , who's this , del? i think says, who's this, del? i think it is. it's not outdated. it should be kept. there's too many people in this country trying to take away our ident entity. paul says. take away our ident entity. paul says . michelle, the national says. michelle, the national anthem is way out of date and it's not fit for purpose. why should we? he says. why should we be subjects and sing to save one person? it doesn't make any sense. we need a national anthem , which is about the nation and not one individual. >> england should certainly have its own national anthem. that is a lacuna. the fact that the three other home countries have got national anthems we got national anthems and we don't in england, we don't have

we have national we should have our own national anthem, something like jerusalem. i'd be favour of jerusalem. i'd be in favour of that. keeping god the that. but keeping god save the king kind of default for king as the kind of default for the uk, peter says the national anthem offensive outdated i >> -- >> he says i get tingles listening to the scottish irish and welsh anthems where he says when they play god save the king. here, though, it makes me angry and it's time for a change in my opinion. brian says, well, as a republican, i think we should have a more uplifting song. perhaps a land of hope and glory or something instead of something paying homage to one person. so i find that quite interesting. there's lots of debate of hope and glory there probably a great deal more offensive to modern sensibilities than anything in god save the king. and she makes a good point. and she's quite right because she says, michelle, i've heard that they will play it if there's a member of the royal family visiting, which is absolutely right. that is what they've said. she says, talk about flexible principles and i do think that is quite

interesting. i think you make an interesting. i think you make an interesting point. mars says, michelle, i've wanted a different anthem for years . this different anthem for years. this one should have been faded out with the empire. see the very divided, the national anthem is way past its sell by date. it's outdated and utterly irrelevant, says stuart. in brackets, another one, another stuart ? another one, another stuart? yes. how many stuarts have we got? >> well, they're the scots, you see. well stuart's a scottish rising. you've been hacked. you've been hacked by scots . you've been hacked by scots. >> i was talking about the russians hacking the politicians last night and i was saying, can you imagine if the russians haven't been hacking our politicians ? they've probably politicians? they've probably become so confused and bewildered by what on earth was going on. >> probably realise >> they'd probably realise they've nothing to they've really got nothing to fear, wouldn't they? if they were listening the private were listening to the private messages politicians? were listening to the private messag look, politicians? were listening to the private messaglook, john,:ians? were listening to the private messaglook, john, he's? were listening to the private messaglook, john, he's not >> oh, look, john, he's not a man that minces his words. he says, our national anthem says, leave our national anthem alone. and if anyone it alone. and if anyone finds it offensive, clear off. that's what he says. there you go . i what he says. there you go. i want to talk to you after the

break. i've got a simple question to ask you all at christmas season coming lots christmas season coming up, lots of rifts and stuff like of family rifts and stuff like that. forgiving are you? and that. how forgiving are you? and don't worry, also be don't worry, i'll also be showing you some christmas trees. and i've got an absolute showing you some christmas trees. ofd i've got an absolute showing you some christmas trees. of something n absolute showing you some christmas trees. of something n abscwant corker of something that i want to show you that will definitely put a smile your face in time to show you that will definitely putthe mile your face in time to show you that will definitely putthe weekend. )ur face in time to show you that will definitely putthe weekend. see ace in time to show you that will definitely putthe weekend. see youin time to show you that will definitely putthe weekend. see you .i time

in two. hello there. michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. lord moylan and paul mbappe remain alongside me. you know the drill on friday on dewbs & co jubilee tavern is on dewbs& co jubilee tavern is open where we say a small cheers to the start of the weekend. so cheers and cheers to you guys as well at home. patricia has been in touch. can i just say, michel is so rude at the start of her show. shame on you. i've got to say, i don't actually know what

i did at the start of my show that was so offensive. but whatever it was, it certainly wouldn't have been intention. >> i can tell you the finger. did you like the. >> i don't think so. no, i don't think so. >> that was off camera, wasn't it? yeah >> pizza. pizza said the national should sung national anthem should be sung by at the start of by all pupils at the start of every school day. says every school day. david says you're a key point. you're all missing a key point. if don't believe god, if you don't believe in god, then national anthem is an then the national anthem is an absolute . is that absolute non—starter. is that true? you got believe in true? have you got to believe in god and someone else that just said, answer this said, michel, the answer to this is get some is very simple. get some sniffing to record an alternative that will please people. i'll let you guys be the judge of that, shall i? look, we're in the christmas we're on. the approach to christmas outweighed. there's few things outweighed. there's a few things i get through before the i want to get through before the end of my program. want to ask end of my program. i want to ask you, forgiving are you? i'll you, how forgiving are you? i'll tell you why i'm asking that in a also, i have got tell you why i'm asking that in a absolute also, i have got tell you why i'm asking that in a absolute corker, i have got tell you why i'm asking that in a absolute corker to have got tell you why i'm asking that in a absolute corker to play got tell you why i'm asking that in a absolute corker to play you an absolute corker to play you before the of the programme. before the end of the programme. and i guarantee it will put a smile on your well, smile on your face. well, maybe not my panellists, but it not one of my panellists, but it certainly will mine and

hopefully yours too. anyway, let me of your christmas me share some of your christmas trees you lovely people me share some of your christmas trees been you lovely people me share some of your christmas trees been inundating sly people me share some of your christmas trees been inundating me3eople me share some of your christmas trees been inundating me with.e have been inundating me with them tonight. have a them tonight. let's have a little this. get this them tonight. let's have a littl> yeah, where's the. >> where's. yeah, where's the. >> where's. yeah, where's the. >> are looking at >> the edge. you are looking at the tree. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> know they've cut you out you two. >> in fact you should be your image should be on top the image should be on top of the tree the tree on the top. >> oh. >> oh. >> angel of the north plonked on the top. let's have look at the top. let's have a look at the top. let's have a look at the it was this. oh, the next one. it was this. oh, look this is andy's look at this. this is andy's tree. he's got his two dogs tree. and he's got his two dogs there. fleur. there. frank and fleur. >> there's a couple of big baubles. >> i like it. >> i like it. >> yes, there is. i like that. i like it. let's have look. next >> yes, there is. i like that. i like ijen's 's have look. next >> yes, there is. i like that. i like ijen's tree.ve look. next >> yes, there is. i like that. i like ijen's tree. oh, look. next >> yes, there is. i like that. i like ijen's tree. oh, anotherzxt one. jen's tree. oh, another dog. that's quite nice. is dog. that's quite a nice. is that oris dog. that's quite a nice. is that or is it that a slimline tree or is it the angle? looks to the angle? it looks slimline to me. it. and i'm at last me. i like it. and i'm at last one. oh, look at this one. paul, if you're listening. not

watching, gone. if you're listening. not wethatig, gone. if you're listening. not wethat a, gone. if you're listening. not wethat a white gone. if you're listening. not wethat a white tree gone. if you're listening. not wethat a white tree or gone. if you're listening. not wethat a white tree or is one. if you're listening. not wethat a white tree or is he. is that a white tree or is it just covered in fakes? no, i'm looking it. very small looking at it. i'm very small tinsel. like it. i like tinsel. oh, i like it. i like it. paul well, but not it. paul well, and last but not least. look at this one. least. oh, look at this one. this barry dawn's tree. this is barry and dawn's tree. there's of coordination there's a lot of coordination going this picture. going on in this picture. the curtains the the curtains is the chair, the cushion there's cushion and the tree. there's like going on. i like it. >> it's impressive. yeah that is impressive. >> lot of effort went into that. >> lot of effort went into that. >> you can tell. >> you can tell. >> that is very impressive, right. ask you right. i want to ask you a question ladies and gents, question that ladies and gents, i'm. with it might i'm. bear with me. it might sound a bit random, but i think it's going somewhere. it's i'm going somewhere. i think a this week. it was think i saw a this week. it was probably one of the most distressing remember probably one of the most distressin and remember probably one of the most distressinand it remember probably one of the most distressin and it was. amember probably one of the most distressinand it was. it|ember watching and it was. it was awful. was family whose awful. it was a family whose little boy had been killed in a hit and and the family were hit and run, and the family were appealing for the driver of this car to hand themselves car basically to hand themselves in. something really struck in. and something really struck me because they turned around and said, little and they said, look, our little boy incredibly forgiving and boy was incredibly forgiving and we as his parents have already forgiven you, the driver of this car . but we forgiven you, the driver of this car. but we just want justice to be done. and it caught me thinking. it really touched me because like, wow, that is

because i was like, wow, that is that must take something. some there's something in you to be that forgiving in that scenario. and got me thinking and then it got me thinking about many about christmas. so many families do you know they've had big family and people big family rifts and people don't forgive and and don't forgive and forget and move get all divided move on and you get all divided families christmas is a time families and christmas is a time of kind of coming together. so i just thought i'd be nosy and ask how forgiving my viewers, how forgiving paul? how forgiving my viewers, how forgi/ing paul? how forgiving my viewers, how forgl think paul? how forgiving my viewers, how forgl think it paul? how forgiving my viewers, how forgl think it dependsl? the >> i think it depends on the extent of how much i've been wronged and what the person did. i can forgive in certain circumstances, but for me, you have to be repentant first. if you don't show repentance , if you don't show repentance, if you don't show repentance, if you don't show repentance, if you don't seek forgiveness, then the forgiveness becomes meaningless. have to meaningless. i think you have to show remorse. >> are a forgiving >> daniel, are you a forgiving kind >> daniel, are you a forgiving kinyi think. well, let me just >> i think. well, let me just say, i think this poor, tragic family have their finger on family have put their finger on a important distinction, a really important distinction, which between which is the distinction between forgiveness and justice, because they are willing to forgive the person who did this . that's that person who did this. that's that is one thing. but they still want justice to be done . want justice to be done. forgiveness is, is, if you like,

an act of charity. but just es requires someone to face the music and pay recompense and punishment and whatever it is. and it's a really important distinction. but the biggest problem families have is anger and anger is something that they they get angry and then they nurture the anger. sometimes for years. and christmas is quite a good time, i think, to let that good time, i think, to let that go when i had a saying once, which was getting angry at someone is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to suffer. >> and that's always stuck with me that actually because it is difficult to kind of, i don't know, just smooth things over and be the bigger person sometimes. and you know, we do internalise things , don't we? internalise things, don't we? but actually i that but actually when i heard that it did make me stop in my tracks valve, isn't it? it did make me stop in my tracks val'anger't it? it did make me stop in my tracks val'anger is t? it did make me stop in my tracks val'anger is a natural, it did make me stop in my tracks val'anger is a natural , justified >> anger is a natural, justified release valve. >> anger is a natural, justified relelt;e valve. >> anger is a natural, justified rele it isvalve. >> anger is a natural, justified rele it is a lve. >> anger is a natural, justified rele it is a burst anger, but >> it is a burst of anger, but nurturing it forever. >> it does you no good shells, right? a poison. right? it's a poison. >> lots of people >> yeah. lots of people appreciating , malcolm >> yeah. lots of people appreciating, malcolm said. can i what a great show i just say what a great show tonight? enjoyed topics tonight? i've enjoyed the topics

and the stories. and i've enjoyed the stories. can you say thanks your panel can you say thanks to your panel from of you still from me? lots of you still getting your christmas trees in. i'm going try and carry some i'm going to try and carry some of ladies of those over, but look, ladies and told you i wanted and gents, i told you i wanted to share something that really, really me today. really made me smile today. i thought it was absolutely fabulous. talked this fabulous. we talked about this at the that program. at the start of that program. shane , of course, it shane macgowan, of course, it was his funeral just taken place overin was his funeral just taken place over in ireland . listen to this. over in ireland. listen to this. it was a celebration of his life and this was a particularly beautiful moment. look . beautiful moment. look. i got to find . however, the most i got to find. however, the most , although it flows right through you. >> okay . when your when your >> okay. when your when your boys took my hand on the cold christmas eve, you promised me broadway was waiting for me. your hands. you're pretty queen of new york city and balcony

ladies. they hung out for more tonight. you were swinging on the trunks. they were singing. we kissed on the arm attached to the night . and the boys, the the night. and the boys, the night before. with singing galway bay and the bells will ringing out for christmas day . ringing out for christmas day. you're up on you up on. you're an old slut on junk lying there. >> oh, oh, you say don't you just love that don't you just love it. i absolutely love that. that puts such a smile on my face. me really happy. face. made me really happy. paul you were along. your you were singing along. your toes what an toes were tapping. what an amazing toes were tapping. what an am iring toes were tapping. what an am i love fairytale new york. >> i love fairytale of new york. for is christmas. that >> i love fairytale of new york. fomy is christmas. that >> i love fairytale of new york. fomy christmathristmas. that >> i love fairytale of new york. fomy christmas song.1as. that >> i love fairytale of new york. fomy christmas song. my that >> i love fairytale of new york. fomy christmas song. my family is my christmas song. my family love always belt it out. love it. we always belt it out. really? shane mcgowan's really? it's shane mcgowan's gone. kirsty the female really? it's shane mcgowan's gone singer' the female really? it's shane mcgowan's gone singer of the female really? it's shane mcgowan's gone singer of that the female really? it's shane mcgowan's gone singer of that song.female lead singer of that song. obviously tragic obviously died young in a tragic accident that you know, that accident that was you know, that was really sad. but and i don't

normally like that thing normally like that sort of thing in church, but i'll let that one pass that was a magical pass because that was a magical performance and all grinch there. >> what's the matter you? >> what's the matter with you? you it? you won't getting into it? >> wasn't really into it. >> no, i wasn't really into it. no, i'd heard the song no, but i'd never heard the song before, actually. >> daniel. no, you haven't. >> i will just this. >> but i will just say this. i do know tipperary and they will not anything this not have seen anything like this for time. for a very long time. >> oh, you know what? >> oh, you know what? >> i think it was absolutely incredible. think really incredible. i think they really did tastic did put on a fantastic tastic celebration life . and i do celebration of life. and i do hope shane, of course , rests in hope shane, of course, rests in peace. for now , thank you, peace. but for now, thank you, gentlemen. thank you , paul. and gentlemen. thank you, paul. and thank , daniel. i'm going to thank you, daniel. i'm going to start calling you the christmas grinch. now, won't even grinch. now, it won't even tapping toes. everybody tapping his toes. everybody anyway, listen, i've really enjoyed company at home. anyway, listen, i've really enjoaed company at home. anyway, listen, i've really enjoa fantasticympany at home. anyway, listen, i've really enjoa fantastic nighty at home. anyway, listen, i've really enjoa fantastic night. at home. anyway, listen, i've really enjoa fantastic night . lee |ome. i've a fantastic night. lee anderson, up next tonight , a anderson, up next tonight, a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsor of weather on . gb news. sponsor of weather on. gb news. >> hello . >> hello. >> hello. >> welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office there'll be heavy rain

for many areas of the country throughout saturday and it'll turn quite windy through the afternoon. be afternoon. but there'll also be some sunshine later and some some sunshine later on and some dner some sunshine later on and some drier interludes as the weekend progresses throughout the course of the night, we'll be between weather fronts. that means there will be dry weather around, will be some dry weather around, particularly central areas, particularly for central areas, the midlands, parts east the midlands, parts of east anglia well. seeing some good anglia as well. seeing some good dry, the dry, clear spells throughout the night. then night. that dry weather then will push northwards. so some respite spreading north throughout but also throughout the night. but also some very heavy rain arriving into far southwest with a into the far southwest with a southerly breeze across the country . another mild night, but country. another mild night, but it will be a very wet start to the weekend, particularly across southern areas where there's already lot of water on the already a lot of water on the roads as well northern roads as well as northern ireland parts of scotland, ireland and parts of scotland, too, we've a lot of too, where we've had a lot of rain this week . by the rain already this week. by the afternoon and by lunchtime , it afternoon and by lunchtime, it does up from the west . and does clear up from the west. and so there will be some sunshine in but winds in the afternoon, but the winds do there is a wind do pick up and there is a wind warning in force. we could see gusts in excess of 60mph, particularly across irish sea coasts throughout the of

coasts throughout the course of saturday afternoon. there'll be another sunday another dry interlude sunday morning , particularly across morning, particularly across eastern areas. so good start eastern areas. so a good start to the day on sunday, but it does quickly cloud over as this next area of rain pushes eastwards . it will be a briefer eastwards. it will be a briefer spell of rain and it spell of rain and behind it we'll see dry weather we'll see further dry weather arrive. we could also see some more dry weather developing by the middle of next week, it the middle of next week, but it will be an unsettled start to the week at least. >> like are >> it looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on .

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