almost any time that people talk about woke the question of gender issues arises. so i thought it might be best if i could speak to perhaps the most famous transgender person in the world, caitlyn jenner . world, caitlyn jenner. >> john, it's a pleasure to be here. >> it's so nice of you. thank you so much. yeah. i want to know what you really feel about woke . woke. >> i hate it . woke. >> i hate it. i am so against it. you have to realise . and

it. you have to realise. and being in the trans community, you think, oh, my gosh, you must be. >> you're not expecting that? yeah you don't expect it. >> but i've been around a long time. i've seen a lot. i am a product out of my father who was in this country for four months training to invade normandy. >> he was on the beaches in normandy, was the fifth ranger battalion. >> they were the first boats on omaha beach. he somehow survived , even said on his deathbed he died in 2000. even said in his deathbed, he said , hey, i should deathbed, he said, hey, i should have died a long time ago. i had a great life. i have no complaints. but he was a true american. i mean, that was the greatest generation. i am a product of that. i'm a patriot of the united states . i love the of the united states. i love the good old us of a i'm a patriot. when i was growing up, we said the national. we did the national anthem. we had the

pledge of allegiance that we sang no , they don't do all that sang no, they don't do all that stuff anymore. >> they don't do the pledge of allegiance. >> no, not anymore. in schools. and it's a shame. and i have always been so proud to be an american. and in fact, i was the first person to ever put up an american flag or a flag. any flag at the finish line, at the olympic games, where now everybody goes across the finish line and they have their pr guy standing there and thank you. they have their pr guy standing there and you know, they have their country's flag . and i their country's flag. and i started that whole thing back in 1976. it wasn't planned. a guy jumped out of the stands and gave me a flag and i said, oh, my god, what do i do? spontaneous. and yeah . so i've spontaneous. and yeah. so i've always been a very proud american and i'm proud of our culture and everything. and i see what's happening in woke see what's happening in the woke world. be honest with world. and to be honest with you, really me . you, really, really bothers me. i see some advertising one on one end of it is sort of useful

and constructive and the other end is a bit crazy. i would agree with that. yeah. yeah you know the old saying , you go know the old saying, you go woke, you go broke and you're seeing how advertisers are doing that. but for me, i've always been on the conservative side. i'm when i came out 2015 and i did diane sawyer , but i did it did diane sawyer, but i did it as bruce and it was the first interview i had done on that i'd ever talked about dealing with gender dysphoria my entire life. and at the end of the interview, she goes, well, you know, we talked about gender dysphoria and the problems with this and that and the trans community and she goes, oh, and by the way , i she goes, oh, and by the way, i was of surprised. i hear was kind of surprised. i hear you're a republican . and i went you're a republican. and i went i was kind of surprised by the question. but i go, yeah , yeah, question. but i go, yeah, yeah, we have democrats. we have republicans . i've always been on republicans. i've always been on the conservative side. i've been, you know . and she goes, been, you know. and she goes, well, that's very surprising. i got more flack for being a

republican than i did for being trans . yeah, i've always, always trans. yeah, i've always, always been that way . and i've always been that way. and i've always i've always been involved in politics in some way lately more because there are so many political issues. >> stood for governor >> stood for governor >> i did this was a year and a half ago or whatever it was now. there was a recall election going on in california . i've going on in california. i've lived in california . since 1973. lived in california. since 1973. been there a long time. i remember driving my 1963 vw bug. i just graduated from college in iowa , and i was driving to iowa, and i was driving to california because i was going to make it in california. and i remember coming to the sign right at the border. it says, welcome to california , to the welcome to california, to the golden state, and i was like, so excited. i'm going to california. i'm going to make it there. and i did. i went to san jose, was there for the last four years training for the

games in san jose, california. and yeah, i won the games out of san jose and moved to los angeles after that because you were getting into the into the entertainment business. and i just loved california sophia and to see to watch it just being destroyed by liberal woke democrats . you know, the state democrats. you know, the state is run by that. so what's the woke part of that ? woke part of that? >> it's the liberal woke democrats. >> yes . woke democrats very >> yes. woke democrats very liberal. it's all about fairness . it's all about this. in fact , . it's all about this. in fact, you know, you see biden at and even all the democrats talk about we are a democracy . we, about we are a democracy. we, you know, we got to protect the democracy. well, we're not a democracy. well, we're not a democracy in the united states. we are a constitutional republic and a democracy is about equality, fairness , all of that.

equality, fairness, all of that. okay. what we are is a constitutional republic is it's about equality . it's about about equality. it's about everybody being equal. about equality. it's about everybody being equal . okay. and everybody being equal. okay. and sorry . it's about everybody sorry. it's about everybody being it's about everybody's individual rights as we as americans are individuals and we have rights as an american . have rights as an american. okay. democracy is just about everybody's got to be equal. so we are a constitutional republic i >> -- >> is it equal? >> is it equal? >> it's all based on each individual's rights as as an american and do what they want to do to build a business. >> caitlin writes . and duties or >> caitlin writes. and duties or is it just rights ? is it just rights? >> it's a constitutional democracy is about individual rights, not equality . not like rights, not equality. not like you have to be like everybody else. as an american, we have individual rights when we're born. we have the right bill of rights. we've got all of this. and so , you know, i want it to and so, you know, i want it to stay that and i see us going farther and farther away from that with bigger and bigger and

bigger government in the united states. california, when states. so in california, when the election came up and the recall election came up and i just loved the state and honestly, i thought of my father , who's in 2000. we buried in him in arlington with all his war buddies, arlington and if he could see what was happening to our country and to our state, he would be devastated when his generation , you know, 364 guys generation, you know, 364 guys in his division, 660, came back alive of. okay, everybody around him died for our individual freedoms , you know, and to see freedoms, you know, and to see how we're losing that and how government is taking that over and what are they? you know what? i can stand up. i think as americans , we need to stand up americans, we need to stand up and gavin newsom has been an absolute horrible governor. he was horrible for this. he was mayor of san francisco . he was mayor of san francisco. he was the beginning of the downfall of

san francisco. now, it's don't even go there. everybody's leaving the place. it's the same with the state high taxes. so many regulations, you can't do business in this state anymore. it's just going downhill. all because of the gavin newsom's of the world. >> and how much is that influenced by woke up ? influenced by woke up? >> unfortunately it's a lot of it is this woke mentality of everybody has to be fair everybody's got to be nice we have to be understand of this honestly it just doesn't work that way. so when on the recall election came up, i thought, why not? you know, hey , my dad not? you know, hey, my dad stormed the beaches of normandy and i said, at least i can storm the beaches of malibu, you know, to try to save this state. and i knew it was almost an impossible task. knew it was almost an impossible task . and at and we've never task. and at and we've never even had a woman governor of the state of california, let alone a trans girl . and i knew it was

trans girl. and i knew it was a really , really tough up road really, really tough up road battle. but i also knew that it would get me it would get me involved. i've got to try as an american citizen, i have to try and do what i can to save that. so i went in, did okay, but i learned a lot . it brought me learned a lot. it brought me more into the political side of things. what did you learn from that? >> that you didn't know before? >> that you didn't know before? >> what a scam california is? >> what a scam california is? >> scam . >> scam. >> scam. everything >> scam. everything is >> scam. everything is a >> scam. everything is a scam >> scam. everything is a scam . >> scam. everything is a scam. everything is about politics. everything is about politics. everything is a scam . take everything is a scam. take homeless issue, homeless issue in california is a big, big business. yes. okay. business oh, huge business. tell me more . oh, huge business. tell me more. no nonprofits. you know, we hear about them all the time. you have nonprofits and stuff . there have nonprofits and stuff. there are nonprofits in california that are really backed by government. they give them literally billions of dollars. gavin newsom has spent like 3 or

$4 billion on trying to solve the homeless issue and only doubled in size. why? because he gave the money to certain nonprofits who have tremendous overhead , and 90% of the money overhead, and 90% of the money goes to run the non—profit . but goes to run the non—profit. but then the money is 90. then the money they have left over, they send it back to, you know, for campaigns for democratic candidates, for the gavin newsom's of the world. they kick the money right back. so it's just it's a scam. >> so it's a crime. i do want to say it's a crime in california. >> and because when i was there, i went all through on the homeless issue there are a lot of nonprofits that are just so good.i of nonprofits that are just so good. i mean , they do wonderful good. i mean, they do wonderful work , you know? but for the work, you know? but for the other ones, the ones that are getting state money, they're only, you know, they're doing it to run the non—profit to and kick it back to gavin newsom like the salvation army, downtown la , phenomenal work , no downtown la, phenomenal work, no

state money. uh, church organisations in downtown la serve a million meals a year , serve a million meals a year, and they take no state funds and they have, you know, rehab centres for drug addiction and they do wonderful work . and but they do wonderful work. and but on the big side, it's just it's a scam . um, you know, and every a scam. um, you know, and every time you turn around and you just get so disappointed in people, so disappointed in that. so yeah, it's , it's a tough so yeah, it's, it's a tough california's going downhill. do you know you if you lived in denver and you needed to go to california and you need to get a u—haul, okay because you got to bnng u—haul, okay because you got to bring a bunch of stuff to california. they'll give you the u—haul for free. you don't even have to pay. why? because they want to all the u—hauls out want to get all the u—hauls out to california and then they double price because they double the price because they need u—hauls there, because everybody's leaving. >> yeah, my daughter's thinking of moving out of calif . yeah. yeah. >> it's tough. i i've certainly thought about it but i have a very large family. i don't know

if you've heard. i have a lot of children. yes, yes. and how many? well, i have ten kids. is that i help raise and i'm coming up in the next month or two. i'll have 22 grandchildren. oh, god . yeah. so i have a large god. yeah. so i have a large family and everybody is living in california. so for me , it in california. so for me, it would be really difficult to leave. although i certainly have thought about it. you know . thought about it. you know. >> but coming back to work , >> but coming back to work, which is what i'm fascinated by, you do you think the all their ideas about or most of them or some of them, i think i mean, let's take the trans trans people . people. >> yeah, i think they've taken the woke ideology and is just taking it to the max where it's not even i'm a common sense person . okay? i like to think of person. okay? i like to think of i'm the adult in the room . yeah, i'm the adult in the room. yeah, okay. maybe i'm not, but i like to think of myself as the adult

in the room that has had a lot of experiences in life. i've gone through a lot in my life and i've learned a lot and i know kind of how the world works. and but because of that, i also know i'm not always . on i also know i'm not always. on the radical. i call them the radical rainbow coalition or the rainbow . the radical rainbow rainbow. the radical rainbow mafia. i mean , the lgbt mafia. i mean, the lgbt community. there is a small group that has taken that over evenin group that has taken that over even in the trans community, small group of highly woke crazy people that don't don't think , people that don't don't think, you know, they're not good for trans people in general because they're so outspoken. and you know, trans women are real women. and, you know, they're yelling at people and you're not going to get anywhere that but that's a small community. and in social media, why do they have social media, why do they have so much power if they're so? >> because media gives

>> because of social media gives them a big loud microphone, you know , big, loud voice . and but know, big, loud voice. and but does that give what is what social media has done is given small groups a big voice and the media loves it because it's very controversial on this and that. >> so the media clicks. yes. yes. and so , so, so many people yes. and so, so, so many people in in the lgbt community, i mean, so many a small group of people in the lgbt community have this big social media, micro phone that's out there and they want to get clicks. they want to be celebrity is they want to be celebrity is they want to be influencers. and honestly, i think that really huns honestly, i think that really hurts most trans people. all they want to do is just go live their life. >> exactly. well, that's the feeling i have that . but there's feeling i have that. but there's an extraordinary obsession about an extraordinary obsession about a group of people who are in bolton, like any other group of people. but it seems to be out of proportion in the amount of

coverage they get . coverage they get. >> i agree with you, 1,000%

>> the dinosaur are with me. john cleese on . gb news now. john cleese on. gb news now. >> since we have a little bit of time, let me explain. now i'm only an expert on my story. okay? my story. i'm an expert . okay? my story. i'm an expert. >> a pretty good story. you can tell it if you like. >> i was also dyslexic. a dyslexic kid. >> oh, really? >> oh, really? >> and so when i was growing, i was gender dysphoric. but back in and 60s when i was in the 50s and 60s when i was growing up, you didn't even talk about there wasn't about it. there wasn't even a name for it. so you keep your mouth lucky. in mouth shut. i was lucky. in fifth i found sports as fifth grade i found sports as and, and i latched on to that baby because i wasn't doing good in school . all a sudden in school. and all of a sudden we had a running race in in fifth grade, around a bunch of chairs in the parking lot. and there were timing. every kid and

i had the fastest time in the whole school. it was like the first time i ever really accomplished anything in school. first time i ever really accat plished anything in school. first time i ever really accat whated anything in school. first time i ever really accat what age?ything in school. first time i ever really acc at what age? 11? ng in school. >> at what age? 11? >> at what age? 11? >> 11. somewhere around >> yeah, 11. somewhere around there. and so latched on to there. and so i latched on to sports. i needed it because sports. i needed it just because suffering from dysphoria , suffering from gender dysphoria, i to be the guy i could i needed to be the guy i could go and take on a, you go out there and take on a, you know, go play football, take a guy who's a good student, good reader, and clean his clock. you know , you that. you know, know, you need that. you know, that's for your know, you need that. you know, that's yeah. for your know, you need that. you know, that's yeah. and»r your know, you need that. you know, that's yeah. and ityour know, you need that. you know, that's yeah. and it kind of set growth. yeah. and it kind of set up a pattern at and so after the games i never talked about it but after the games a couple a year or two after the games a guy calls me up and from the local paper, this is before, you know, social media and the internet and all that and says, i've heard you were dyslexic. i'd love to do an article on it. great so i said, come on, i'm thinking you know, you can help some people. nobody knows that about me. but there's a lot of kids there that are kids out there that are suffering from that. they know i had it and i dealt with it and my life great and i've been

my life is great and i've been able to accomplish tremendous things be good. so things. i might be good. so anyway, and did the anyway, i came and did the interview and today's terms , interview and in today's terms, it went viral. it went all over the place. i had everybody calling me about being dyslexic. and there's organisations that you give speeches at and they're starting new organisations. and i watched over the next couple of years the word being dyslexic got bigger and bigger and bigger to where parents are looking at their kids and you know, they say one word backwards or one sentence. they put backwards, they do something, they go, oh my god, know, they could be my god, you know, they could be disliked . we need get special disliked. we need to get special classes . we've to spend classes. we've got to spend money and get into a special school . and totally got out of school. and totally got out of whack that 3 or 4 years later. i said , i'm not doing anything said, i'm not doing anything else. on being dyslexic. it it's been hijacked by the media and by people trying to make money off it. i see the exact same thing happening right now with

the trans with trans people . the trans with trans people. well, they're being exploited . well, they're being exploited. it's just it's not fair. they're this woke world is teaching radical gender ideology to our children. they could destroy lives. i think about if that happenedin lives. i think about if that happened in my life. let's say i was in sixth, seventh grade, because when i grew up, there wasn't even a word for it. but all of a sudden this t shirts talking to me about gender dysphoria and this and that , and dysphoria and this and that, and i'm thinking in my head, that's me. >> you knew? >> you knew? >> oh, i knew it from when i was a little kid from earlier. yeah, i was born that way. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> now , are you right handed or >> now, are you right handed or left handed? right handed? well, i'm left handed . why are you i'm left handed. why are you right handed ? and me? left right handed? and me? left handed ? just kind of the way. handed? just kind of the way. just kind of the way we were born. yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. and and. and it's the same with gender dysphoria. it's just kind of the way you were born. i mean, that's part of me and but

for so many years , i've had for so many years, i've had a chance to read my book, secrets of my life . i talk about all the of my life. i talk about all the sneaking around and how my life was just a mess, you know, for so many, many years. but i was fortunate. i had a family. i've lived a phenomenal life. but if i would have been taught that stuff at at when i was in grade school , let's say, you know, school, let's say, you know, about this radical gender ideology, it might have just totally changed my entire life and all for the worse , right? and all for the worse, right? and so i want to keep up this radical gender ideology out of schools . i want government out schools. i want government out of the trans business. i would like to see the media out of the trans business. okay. this is a decision. this is a decision not by government, not by i don't even want government support or paying even want government support or paying for gender reassignment surgery . none of that stuff. surgery. none of that stuff. this is a decision between the child , the parent, the parents,

child, the parent, the parents, the mother and father, a doctor , the mother and father, a doctor, which they would bring in because a lot of them are very young age. and to be honest with you, god's the last one. those are the ones making the decision. i feel like government is teaching these is coming in and teaching these kids. because they're kids. why? because they're trying the family . trying to break up the family. >> think they're being >> do you think they're being taught so the government taught this? so the government can break up family like can break up the family like like to a if like you're going to have a if you're going take the you're going to take the greatest the world greatest nation in the world and make socialist nation , then make it a socialist nation, then you have a strong middle you can't have a strong middle class. >> @ have a strong >> you cannot have a strong family . and we've always family unit. and we've always had country. had that in our country. a strong family unit. and it isn't the disparity between poverty and richness is very much greater than it's ever been. yes, i government has just gotten too big, too, too. >> isn't that more because of the reagan policies ? the reagan policies? >> reagan no, i thought reagan was one of the greatest. when he has you talk to barack obama, this and that. >> i mean, it was as a result of his his policies , you had more his his policies, you had more rich people and more poor

people. no no, there's nothing wrong with rich people. >> no, they they make money. they hire people. they have companies. people work for them. you know , a successful business, you know, a successful business, a successful person hires a lot of people and they pay a lot of taxes, and the list goes on and on.and taxes, and the list goes on and on. and on. >> i was just talking about the fact that middle class tends to have disappeared. >> we need a strong middle class. >> yes, we need a strong middle class. >> and you have and we're losing the middle class. you have by design. why in the united states right week lit alley, right now this week lit alley, millions of people are coming into our country illegally . many into our country illegally. many millions of people . i would say millions of people. i would say it's going to be by the time i'm it's going to be by the time i'm it it's over with. and we get a different president, they'll be at least 15 million people in our country illegally. okay venezuela emptying out their jails, putting them on buses, taking them to the border ,

taking them to the border, sending them across into the united states. >> fascinating. the venezuelans are taking people out of prison. yeah, because they don't want to deal with them anymore. >> on a bus, send them >> put them on a bus, send them across to us. across the border to us. >> fair . >> that's fair. >> that's fair. >> there's terrorists coming in. yeah i mean, it's just we're going to be dealing with this in the united states for the next 50 years. and is that one of the reasons why there's no middle class or diminishing importing, importing lower class? yeah you know, they're importing it. so it's to help. it's unfortunate or not because a lot of a lot of economists are in favour of heavy immigration. not too many. >> we know too many . are you >> we know too many. are you doing. >> no, no, no. we're destroying our country with this. this is not from an economy standpoint. this is not good. they're all on welfare. we're taxpayers . we're welfare. we're taxpayers. we're paying welfare. we're taxpayers. we're paying for them. we're paying for school. paying for their school. we're paying for their school. we're paying for care. we're for their health care. we're paying for their health care. we're paying kids. i mean, paying for their kids. i mean, the goes on on and on. the list goes on and on and on. it's a tremendous burden on our country . yeah, on our taxpayer,

country. yeah, on our taxpayer, on our middle class. >> do you think that the very rich should pay more tax or the same as the middle class ? same as the middle class? >> no. i am for a fair tax. >> no. i am for a fairtax. i think everybody should pay the exact same thing . the right now exact same thing. the right now over 50, like around 50% of the population. united states doesn't pay any taxes. the top 1% pays 30. the top 10% pays like 50 or 60% of all of the taxes in our country. no. so it's not like you take more money from 10, pay 30% of the tax, the top 1% pays 30, top 10% pays 50% of all taxes in the united states. that's not that's not fair system. and . the bottom not fair system. and. the bottom 50% pays nothing. so they have no skin in the game and they're the ones getting all the services. so yeah, i mean, our tax code has to be looked at. >> if i can bring you back to

woke again. >> okay, let's go. i'm interested if there's any aspect of like because to of woke that you like because to me a spectrum between some me it's a spectrum between some ideas which are to do with kindness, is fundamentally kindness, which is fundamentally a christian virtue . you and the a christian virtue. you and the other percent which is going a bit, a little bit bananas. we had a case the other day where a company called and not a company and a solution called oxfam . and a solution called oxfam. they issued a pamphlet telling the people who work for them, advising them how they should speak. and they said things like, if you support someone, you should not say to them that that you stand with them because it might upset people who can't stand. now, that seems to me ridiculous. so there's one end of work that i think is pretty ridiculous, but there's another end, which ideally is about trying to help kind and care. >> i am . 100% behind kindness.

>> i am. 100% behind kindness. yeah not a bad idea. i'm a kind person . i help people . i do person. i help people. i do whatever i can. i my whole family is that way. i tried to bnng family is that way. i tried to bring them up that way. kindness is extremely important. i just joined on as a spokesman for a super pac , which is raising super pac, which is raising money for issues . it's called money for issues. it's called fairness first, i'm all about fairness. okay and that because ihave fairness. okay and that because i have been an advocate for fairness in women's sports , i'm fairness in women's sports, i'm not on the woke side of saying, oh , trans women should be able oh, trans women should be able to compete in sports. no, it's not fair. okay? it's just not not fair. okay? it's just not not fair. okay? it's just not not fair. and it's not so i've been out trying to for the last two years, trying to protect women's sports. yes. i love women. yes. okay. and it's just not fair to compete against. >> is that if you puberty, if you have a man's body, it's essential to be bigger and stronger than a woman's body

would be if you then go to the rules are all over the place . rules are all over the place. >> okay. when it comes to trans women in sports and, you know, i go all the way back and you go way back there to do you remember back in the 70s, seconds , a little bit in the seconds, a little bit in the 80s, the east german women at the olympics ? the olympics? >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> remember that ? and the soviet >> remember that? and the soviet it was soviet union back then. the soviet women . you looked at the soviet women. you looked at them when you went, oh, my god, you know, look at those girls. i mean , and so the olympic mean, and so the olympic committee has been dealing with it for a long time, um, to keep it for a long time, um, to keep it fair and that was mostly drug related . okay? it was because related. okay? it was because the testing procedures weren't as accurate back then as they are today. today they're so accurate and they're so well tested. they they, they do a pretty good job. they do a good job testing that. yeah, they job testing for that. yeah, they do a good job for that. but but when to sports, it's when it comes to sports, it's just not fair. when it comes to sports, it's just not fair . yeah. and just not fair. yeah. and honestly, i started with the

leah thomas deal and you remember that at penn, it just wasn't fair. and leah thomas was six four big hands transitioned just over the last couple of years , and hormone levels were years, and hormone levels were lower but went through male puberty . six, lower but went through male puberty. six, four big hands kick and but in the ncaa. okay and it's just wrong . it's just and it's just wrong. it's just it's not fair. it's not fair because they went through puberty. fina is the world organisation ocean yeah for controls the rules in swimming change the rules said and i think rightly so that you would have to have transitioned before the age of 12. why. because you have to transition before you go through puberty. and i agree with that decision and we'll see how that works out. then one of your people , sebastian coe , your people, sebastian coe, okay, one of your great runners . okay, one of your great runners. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> he's the head of world athletics at and he about a couple of months back, he said, i picked fairness over equality

and i'd basically came in and banned trans women from , um, banned trans women from, um, international sports . right? and international sports. right? and again, i think that's the right decision. we just have to protect women's sports . you protect women's sports. you know, now in the united states . know, now in the united states. s we have a, a law called title nine, title nine was passed back in, in the 80s, early 80s, and it was a fairness, mostly in the ncaa, but fairness in women's sports. okay if the boys get let's say the men's soccer team gets ten scholarships, well then the women have to get ten scholarships to . okay. well, scholarships to. okay. well, with that in place over the last 30 years, 40 years, i mean, it has risen. women's sports tremendously. yeah, it's given out so many scholarships to women and it's been such a great program . program. >> okay, great program. >> okay, great program. >> well , even the ncaa >> okay, great program. >> well, even the ncaa is doing things about trans athletes, but now joe biden , who's been on the

now joe biden, who's been on the wrong side of every issue in history, says we have to open up title nine to make it gender identity, not women , which would identity, not women, which would kill women's sports backed . by kill women's sports backed. by $10 million by george soros . $10 million by george soros. okay um, backed by george soros . okay um, backed by george soros. so now joe biden is literally trying to ruin women's sports by letting anybody who just identifies as a woman go in and compete. it would destroy women's sports. it would discourage women. it is ridiculous . discourage women. it is ridiculous. so discourage women. it is ridiculous . so with fairness, ridiculous. so with fairness, first, that's what we're doing. we're raising money to go out and fight this fight this issue, because it's not going away . because it's not going away. it's not going away. >> but a lot of international bodies governing sports have made decisions in accordance with what you're saying. >> some of the big ones have not everyone. we have a long way to go because in the in the case of fairness, you have to deal with

every different organisation action and they have to come up with their own set of rules. you know? and so that's what we do with fairness. first we're doing that and we're also working on two things fairness and women's sports and we're also working on parental rights . i see that parental rights. i see that people are and i see what's happening. we're losing parental rights . it's like the state rights. it's like the state wants to take over our children when it comes to teaching radical gender ideology. you know, this this , you know, woke know, this this, you know, woke rainbow, you know, man , for that rainbow, you know, man, for that we have out there are pushing , we have out there are pushing, pushing, pushing. and i want to protect you know , parental protect you know, parental rights. and we see it in the united states, especially in school board meetings and parents coming and school boards teaching your children stuff. you don't want taught is this parents need to be in control of what their their children, not the state. >> is it that you don't want

taught at a certain age or just taught at a certain age orjust generally you don't want it taught ? taught? >> no, it's not even a certain it's. well, right now it's in school. i mean, that's really where you're losing. it is in school. but parents have to be have to know that they're in charge. if you know, you can go to a private school, costs a lot of money to go there, you're already paying. if you're paying taxes, you're you know, you're already your school. already paying for your school. so got your taxes so now you got to pay your taxes and send your kid to a private school to educate them. what i would properly , and would consider properly, and that's just not right. so we're trying to protect it. >> but parental rights concern , >> but parental rights concern, because i'm a little old fashioned and i was married to a therapist who was, gosh , yeah. therapist who was, gosh, yeah. and you survived . and you survived. >> ha. >> ha. >> well , she cost >> ha. >> well, she cost me 20 million, so i'm not sure if. yeah, i don't know if that's really survival, but she's a lot better off. but she was great. is she happy?i off. but she was great. is she happy? i hope she was. >> she was very happy. >> she was very happy. >> oh, good, good, good, good. >> oh, good, good, good, good. >> she was very keen the

>> she was very keen on the freud's of what's known, freud's idea of what's known, the latency period , which is the latency period, which is that tiny little kids are really quite sexual and then it stops and they become very asexual for and they become very asexual for a time until puberty . and freud a time until puberty. and freud said if there are subject to anything sexual during that time, it tends to upset the whole apparatus. well see, that's exactly what we're fighting. >> i don't want the schools, as you say, during that stuff where they are kind of asexual . let's they are kind of asexual. let's say you have a little a little girl's kind of a tomboy. you know, in the old days, they could be a tomboy. it was kind of cute. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you know, or or a little boy. that's maybe more on the feminine side, you know? but it was cute. a nice kid. oh, no. on and on. and. but today, what they're doing is in that period where, as you say , they're kind where, as you say, they're kind of asexual, they're trying to find themselves, you have schools coming teaching this schools coming in teaching this radical gender ideology to these kids time when they kids at a time when they shouldn't really when they shouldn't really when they

shouldn't making shouldn't be making sexual identities, shouldn't identities, they shouldn't be that up. let that shouldn't even come up. let the kids i know i raised ten children every six months. you had a different child. you know, one time it seems like, you know , this is the problem. and then six months later, it's a totally different problem. and kids change all the time. you don't want them , especially in that want them, especially in that time, to make any radical decisions about their life . decisions about their life. >> i agree with that. >> i agree with that. >> or gender affirming care or any of that stuff. leave, have the state leave our children alone for the very few you know , alone for the very few you know, that really suffer from gender dysphoria . yeah that has to dysphoria. yeah that has to really be handled on an individual basis. but it's not the state, it's the parents. it's god, it's the doctor for them to make the decisions for their child and not the state. the state should not be teach reading , the state should not be teach reading, writing and the state should not be teach reading , writing and arithmetic

reading, writing and arithmetic in our case, american history. teach that. don't teach all this other stuff .

>> tell me , are there other >> tell me, are there other aspects of woke that you have sympathy for? >> sympathy ? >> sympathy? >> sympathy? >> the fairness end ? >> the fairness end? >> the fairness end? >> well , i'm >> the fairness end? >> well, i'm for fairness as number one, but i don't think i just think the woke movement has just think the woke movement has just gone too far. >> yeah. okay i can be fair and not be woke. >> yes, i agree . >> yes, i agree. >> yes, i agree. >> i can be a caring person and not be woke . you know, i care not be woke. you know, i care about people . well, that's why about people. well, that's why i do what i do. i feel like when i came out to 2015, it's been

eight years. you know, at first i thought i could change the world. and i thought, wow , you world. and i thought, wow, you know, because my last conversation that i had before i decided to do this was with god . decided to do this was with god. i'm i don't go to church all the time, but i'm a person of faith. so that's always been in the back of my mind. like god, why did you do this to me? i think anybody who has challenges in life and they have any faith in their heart whatsoever , they their heart whatsoever, they ask, why did you do this to me? and here my whole life i've been deaung and here my whole life i've been dealing with my identity and who i why. there a reason i am. and why. is there a reason for this? am i doing the right thing ? and you know, when i go thing? and you know, when i go up that day, you walk up the stairs into the pearly gates and god sitting there and i said, my god, did i do a good job? you know, you want him to say yes. and so i've been thinking about all of that for so long that

that my last person i had to talk to and i was walking through a field, i remember, and i said, god, am i doing the right thing? you know, is there a reason for this? am and i just got the feeling that it was like , hey, it's okay. you know, you can do this. you know, you can live your life authentically. i felt like he said yes. and it was kind of like the last thing i need. that's besides all my children, because i had talked to all my children about this, that i had to know i was doing the right thing and that me coming out could change and save a lot of lives . that's what i a lot of lives. that's what i was hoping , especially at first, was hoping, especially at first, that that because obviously i couldn't do it privately . no, couldn't do it privately. no, but just i was already a big time celebrity . time celebrity. >> big time. you know, big time. >> big time. you know, big time. >> i was known all over the world. i thought about wanting i just like move to alaska, to the backwoods and live and live in a place. but i'd have to leave all my children. i'd leave all the things that i just. i couldn't

do it that way. so if i do it, i just have to try to do it right. right. and do it with respect and do it with a dignified way. not only for myself and my family, but for trans people in general. i try to do it that way. a struggle. way. and it was a struggle. i mean, it was not it was at first, you know, you're kind of riding on this little high and then it just it gets harder and harder because cause my views being a republican, being conservative, being all of those types of things , and then not on types of things, and then not on the normal side of what trans people are, you know , they, people are, you know, they, they're all kind of woker than. >> so where do you where do you get the flack from? >> oh, i get it from most of it's all from the trans community, you know? >> yeah, i've never had a problem in general. >> know, there's the whole >> you know, there's the whole bathroom this and bathroom thing and this and i have been in men's room in have not been in a men's room in eight years. yeah okay. by the way , the women's rooms are much way, the women's rooms are much nicer . okay. nicer. okay. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> they don't have those urinals

on the walls and smelly and all that. they got flowers in there, usually nice music. the conversation is much better in the ladies room . i just want to the ladies room. i just want to tell you, you're missing out, though. >> you brought in a few people who would know that. so. >> yes, yes . >> yes, yes. »- >> yes, yes. >> you know what you're talking about. >> i know what i'm talking about on that one. >> but yeah, so i mean, i've lived my life, but and it's as i get a lot of flack from mostly trans people who don't like that i'm a republican. i support president trump . he did president trump. he did phenomenal things for our country in the four years he was there . unfortunately, he's not there. unfortunately, he's not there. unfortunately, he's not there right now and we're paying there right now and we're paying the price with everything. inflation, the border . we had inflation, the border. we had the most secure border in the world in the united states history. and now look it, 15 million people are going to come across our border. and we didn't even know who the hell they are. i'm sure wouldn't let 15 i'm sure you wouldn't let 15 million people come across from europe shores of the uk europe on the shores of the uk and let them in. who cares and just let them in. who cares who are? let them in.

who they are? let them in. >> well, we could do that if we had somewhere else to go. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah, right. yeah so anyway, because that , i've gotten a because of that, i've gotten a lot of flack because a much more conservative, maybe a different look at the trans community. i know so many trans people that are just wonderful human beings, hardworking , great. that's the hardworking, great. that's the majority. honestly that's the majority. honestly that's the majority of trans people . it is majority of trans people. it is this small percentage that are out there. so given given a microphone through social media, they have so much effect on the people who don't really like their policies. >> the other trans people, i feel like a lot of them are trying to become celebrities. >> they're trying to use their out to get out there, to get clicks, to be on tiktok or be here or be there. i didn't start off wanting to be a celebrity in this thing. i had no choice. okay i was already very big celebrity that was just trying to live their life authentically . and in doing that, maybe i could help some people. okay

honestly, in my family , i'm honestly, in my family, i'm interested in the fact that they don't really want to debate the subject because my views are different than theirs. >> their what i'm saying in general, they democrats in general, they democrats in general, they democrats in general, they don't want to debate or discuss it because for some reason they regard that as unnecessary . they just feel, unnecessary. they just feel, yeah, well, they think it's their way or the highway. yeah. yeah. an and just like the other day an o'reilly gains she's the girls been talking in the united states a lot she was the one who swam against uh leah thomas . and swam against uh leah thomas. and she has been a big advocate of keeping trans women out of women's sports. >> and i'm a big supporter. she's a good friend and has done wonderful work. but she was in san francisco a couple of months back giving a speech. the students there were and she had a bunch of trans people all just

literally come after her hitter . literally come after her hitter. as she said, there was a guy in a dress and the other ones and it was videotaped and you could hear them in the background. these trans women yelling, you know , trans women are real women know, trans women are real women . and on and on and on, making fools of themselves. okay and that's not good. it's horrible for the trans for trans people in general. it's horrible. it makes us look selfish. the leah thomas of the world trans girls swimming makes it's not good for trans people. it makes them look selfish. self—indulge it's like all about me . it's not about all all about me. it's not about all these other girls. i'm beating. i don't even play in my golf, in my clubs , women's tournaments. my clubs, women's tournaments. they've asked me to play in the women's golf tournament, but i can outdrive them by 100 yards. i haven't been on testosterone in in eight years and i can still hit the ball 280 yards.

okay i'm still long arms. this and that. >> so it's not but this is the way i look at myself . way i look at myself. >> i see these trans women are real women. no, you're not. okay that's the bottom line. this is the way i look at my life. my my. i have everything changed. birth certificate , gender marker birth certificate, gender marker f okay, everything's changed. driver's license. i'm a pilot . driver's license. i'm a pilot. my pilot's license. you name every piece of everything that's in my name is legally caitlyn marie jenner. gender marker. f okay , i as i said earlier, okay, i as i said earlier, i haven't used the men's room in a million years and probably never will and have never, ever had a problem. i mean, i go in there, i'm respectful . the other women i'm respectful. the other women that they're there, they certainly a lot of them will know who you are. and go in know who you are. and i go in and my business get out. and do my business and get out. you if somebody starts up you know, if somebody starts up a conversation, i'll have a

conversation with them and but they're are we drinking your water? >> yeah. yeah >> yeah. yeah >> and so i live my life as a woman, but i'm not i don't consider myself this . i am consider myself this. i am a woman now and on and on. no, i consider myself a trans person . consider myself a trans person. yeah. that's who i am. and what i'm interested in. >> you say, i mean, when you say, you know, we're women, we argue about the definition of words, right? and that's always completely pointless. yes >> because there's no way you can prove one or another. >> it'sjust can prove one or another. >> it's just how people use words. so it seems to me what matters. because after all, all through history, there were men who were more female and there were women who were more male. it only comes down to certain things like sports is a key one. and bathrooms is bathrooms. and maybe there's 1 or 2 others. otherwise what is the fuss about? provide added. we are

kind and pleasant and right back to kindness, baby . to kindness, baby. >> yeah, kindness works all the time. yeah yeah. >> kindness works all the time . >> kindness works all the time. >> kindness works all the time. >> and they don't seem very kindly. i mean, there's a lot of trans people are not very kind and there's a lot of woke people that aren't very kind, you know, so many religious things. >> know, some people from a >> you know, some people from a religious standpoint, say religious standpoint, they say you're, you're a man or a woman and that's and and that's it. and there's nothing between . okay. well, nothing in between. okay. well, being gender dysphoric has been around throughout out humanity. this is nothing new, nothing new. nobody ever talked about it before. they keep their mouth shut and they go through life, you so that's what i'm you know? and so that's what i'm trying to have a certain openness and acceptance of it. >> yeah. i mean, there are always horrible people who would be against. be prejudiced against. >> are . >> there are. >> there are. >> and know what? i'll just >> and you know what? i'll just wake morning and wake up in the morning and i just be myself all day. and that's it. i mean, ijust just be myself all day. and that's it. i mean, i just be myself . this that's it. i mean, i just be myself. this is me, that's it. i mean, i just be myself . this is me, okay? myself. this is me, okay? >> i like that. yeah caitlyn,

it's a pleasure . thank you. it's a pleasure. thank you. yeah, it was nice talking to you. good fun. yes, it was fun . you. good fun. yes, it was fun. >> and thanks for coming. >> and thanks for coming. >> my pleasure . so.

next time on the dinosaur hour , next time on the dinosaur hour, i think historically, jesus's miracles were probably the most significant thing about him . significant thing about him. >> it's the miracles that draw the crowds in hinduism , you have the crowds in hinduism, you have a number of gods. >> can you explain that to me? >> can you explain that to me? >> yes. i spent most of my career, john, trying to disprove

that. really? yes excellent. i can't think of any more questions. >> kate. you got any suggestions? >> why don't we stop talking and have a little bit of meditation to finish off? sure. >> you can think of religions as a sort of the human response or expression or the human attempt to reach a certain set of answers about questions of fundamental concern . and that fundamental concern. and that might be a god. it might be jesus, it might be brian. it or it might be brian's god, or it might be brian's sandal.

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