is what we're determined to this is what we're determined to debate tomorrow. this is what we will debate tomorrow and we'll come to amendments in due course. i'm convinced course. but i'm convinced because and i'm because we've seen it and i'm convinced of the convinced because of the government's position that government's legal position that we've published this afternoon, that the toughest that this is the toughest piece of legislation that does of legislation, that this does meet the concerns of the supreme court. and going to have court. and we're going to have that debate tomorrow that robust debate tomorrow afternoon that robust debate tomorrow aftewell,| other news today, >> well, in other news today, the minister busy the prime minister has been busy defending his controversial eat out to help out scheme, saying it was merely a micro policy within a bigger plan to reopen the uk during lockdown. rishi sunak told the covid inquiry today it had been designed specifically to safely lift lockdown restrictions . he began lockdown restrictions. he began his evidence with an apology to those who'd lost their loved ones to covid, but he played down suggestions by lead counsel hugo keith, kc that severe inefficiencies in downing street had led to a chaotic style of governance . and the prime governance. and the prime minister also blamed the government borrowing during

lockdown for record high taxes . lockdown for record high taxes. he told the inquiry the economic impact of paying it back is only now being felt by taxpayers as it comes as new data shows property taxes in the uk are among the highest across the developed world. with the office for budget responsibility signalling more may be on the way . the defence secretary has way. the defence secretary has said today. securing the seas is the only way to defeat russia's president putin as he announced a new maritime coalition alongside norway. two royal navy hunter minehunter ships will be transferred to ukraine as part of efforts to bolster the country's defence capability . country's defence capability. it'll deliver long term support, according to the mod , including according to the mod, including training equipment and infrastructure to boost security infrastructure to boost security in the region. grant shapps said it sent a message, a critical message to putin, a major data breach within the police service of northern ireland has been described as a wake up call for

forces across the uk. the surnames and initials of almost 9500 officers and staff were published by mistake back in august , and a published by mistake back in august, and a report into the leak has made 37 separate recommendations for improving information security within the psni . lastly, campaigners are psni. lastly, campaigners are making a last ditch effort to block controversial plans to build a tunnel to next stonehenge in wiltshire . the stonehenge in wiltshire. the save stonehenge world heritage site group is challenging the government's decision to back a £1] government's decision to back a £1.7 billion scheme, describing it as vandalism. the plans will overhaul eight miles of the a303 aimed at speeding up journey times across the south—west of england. a hearing will begin in the high court tomorrow . that's the high court tomorrow. that's the high court tomorrow. that's the news. this is gb news across the news. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel .

this is britain's news channel. >> good evening. yes, i'm back after a very long and extended break, but it wasn't exactly a holiday. i of course, have been in australia . i began by staying in australia. i began by staying in australia. i began by staying in alice springs and filming in the outback and then after a couple of days went into the jungle. i spent 23 nights in the jungle. i spent 23 nights in the jungle living in pretty austere conditions. there were 12 of us to begin with. we whittled down to begin with. we whittled down to a final of three. i was very, very pleased to make the final three. all the others in the jungle came from the worlds of popular entertainment and pop music, soap operas and a couple of professional sportsmen. i was the one, the odd man out really, because i came from the world of politics and current affairs, and yet , despite the fact there and yet, despite the fact there were people there that disagreed with strongly on brexit or with me strongly on brexit or didn't think large scale legal or illegal immigration was a problem, i did manage to have

civilised conversations with all of them. the whole thing was the most incredible experience . and most incredible experience. and now i was in the cubs. i was in the scouts, i was in the army cadets, and i'm a pretty outdoorsy sort of person. i like going out gardening, fishing , going out gardening, fishing, walking, all of those things. but it was the first time for over 40 years as i've been on anything resembling a major camping trip. the truth is , is camping trip. the truth is, is i pretty much loved every single minute of it. i love sleeping in the open. i love the noises at night, the sounds of the cuckoo, the kookaburra , the crickets, the kookaburra, the crickets, seeing the wild iguanas, the possums . it really was the most possums. it really was the most absolutely beautiful place when it came to the famous bushtucker trials, whether we had to eat or dnnk trials, whether we had to eat or drink repulsive things or to be strapped down in a pit covered in 20 snakes, one of them which was fairly aggressive . i managed was fairly aggressive. i managed to do something that i never, ever thought i could, and that was to completely overcome any

fears whatsoever. i literally had no fears or concerns of any kind , and it didn't matter what kind, and it didn't matter what they asked me to do. none of it, absolutely none of it phased me. i've learnt to how use mind over matter in a way i never, ever thought i could, and i'll talk more about that over the course of the coming weeks because there are so many people who are scared of flying, scared of so many other things. and if they learn basic tricks learn some of the basic tricks that learnt, they too can that i've learnt, they too can overcome of problems. overcome all of these problems. i it. i was thrilled to i loved it. i was thrilled to make the final three. and congratulations to sam thompson , congratulations to sam thompson, who born to be a who was absolutely born to be a reality tv star in a way through that genre that i frankly never could be. it seems whilst i was in there, i or 2 people up at the top of itv were doing their best to make life quite unpleasant for me. i don't want to spoil all the sort of glow that i have after doing i'm a celebrity and i've got no criticisms at all of the production team or anybody involved in that programme. but

i would say to you, mr kevin lygo, the boss of itv, it's up to you, mate. if you want to go to you, mate. if you want to go to war with me, you really can. the last person that did that was called dame alison rose from natwest bank. and look what happened to her. so i would suggest mr lygo , that i am suggest mr lygo, that i am prepared to ignore your rude one handed gestures . the pathetic handed gestures. the pathetic attempts by some of your staff to stitch me up . attempts by some of your staff to stitch me up. i'm attempts by some of your staff to stitch me up . i'm prepared to to stitch me up. i'm prepared to forget all of it if we can call a truce. but if you really, really want to go to war with me , i don't think it'll do. itv share price an awful lot of good. so let's. please, eminence science and let's do it now. when it comes to uk politics, well , all all when it comes to uk politics, well, all all i can say is that the chickens are coming home to roost. for how many years have i consistently said that large scale legal immigration into britain is running at to bigger number? whilst i was away, we

saw the revised office of national statistics numbers , national statistics numbers, legal net migration for the last yean legal net migration for the last year, running at 745,000 people. and oh yes , there'll be giant and oh yes, there'll be giant businesses, multinational is calling for ever more cheap foreign labour. but here's the point . if we foreign labour. but here's the point. if we go on foreign labour. but here's the point . if we go on with foreign labour. but here's the point. if we go on with numbers like this , don't expect your like this, don't expect your kids to ever own a house. don't expect to get gp appointments, don't expect to visit your family and friends at christmas and expect the journey. to time be anything like it used to be. the truth is, we're living through a mass population crisis thatis through a mass population crisis that is affecting the quality of life of absolutely every single one of us, and doing so in a detrimental way. and yet rishi sunak david cameron , goodness sunak david cameron, goodness me, even he's back . they just me, even he's back. they just couldn't care less. they're not

interested . they only listen to interested. they only listen to big companies and big bosses and frankly, couldn't give a damn about you or the communities in which you live. and so the split thatis which you live. and so the split that is coming on the centre right of politics and has been coming and looming for many, many years is now writ large, of course, we're talking about course, we're talking more about rwanda , we're talking more about rwanda, we're talking more about tens of thousands of young men that legally crossed. the that are legally crossed. the engush that are legally crossed. the english channel every year. and i'm not for one moment downplaying that issue. after all, than anybody to all, i did more than anybody to highlight raise this issue highlight and raise this issue and warn people in 2020 of and to warn people in 2020 of the numbers that i thought would come. but the real issue is legal net migration , the fact legal net migration, the fact that in a post—brexit britain where we had control, that in a post—brexit britain where we had control , this where we had control, this government lowered the barriers to entry in the most astonishing way with results that i saw to be predictable , till the next be predictable, till the next general election in and british politics for some years to come will be utterly and completely dominated by the immigration

issue. that's not something that much of mainstream media even wants or chooses to talk about, and it says that it was dead right just over two years ago for gb news to be set up as a news network because someone needs to talk about the things that ordinary folk really, really care about. i've no idea whether sunak gets through this vote tomorrow or whether the tory rebels vote down this new, pathetic rwanda plan. what i do know is we'll never deal with any of this . all the while we any of this. all the while we stay part of the echr and that's becoming pretty obvious. this is the next effectively brexit line that's been drawn within the conservative party. will the backbenchers have the guts to vote it down? well, normally they march up to the top of the hill and they march back down again. most of them are a pretty spineless bunch . i hope that i'm spineless bunch. i hope that i'm proved wrong. what is for certain is that sunak is on course to lead the conservative

party to their worst election result in modern times. and frankly , i think they deserve frankly, i think they deserve pretty much everything that's coming to them . that's enough coming to them. that's enough from me for now. but back to richard tice is nigel. >> thank you. well welcome back to your own show . and it's fair to your own show. and it's fair to your own show. and it's fair to say that you've already caught up on everything and you sound fired up, raring to go. but firstly, nigel, a massive congratulations getting to the final. we have been trying here at gb news and elsewhere, as i think you may have caught up to do our bit to help encourage people to vote in any which way. huge huge. congratulations i guess you've you've probably enjoyed a decent meal for the first time in about three weeks. yes >> well, yes. i mean, richard, frankly , i've just been on the frankly, i've just been on the biggest detox of my life. i mean, no tea , no coffee, no mean, no tea, no coffee, no grog. you know, like it very, very light calorie intakes,

surprisingly , i've only lost surprisingly, i've only lost about £7 in all that time in the jungle. and that's because i've lost fat and put on muscle, which, of course, weighs more than fat. so i'm actually i'm probably fitter, stronger and healthier than i've been since i was about 18 years old. so look, i honestly, richard , 80% of it, i honestly, richard, 80% of it, i honestly, richard, 80% of it, i thoroughly enjoyed people asked me yesterday, would i do it again ? i've got to tell you, it again? i've got to tell you, the answer is yes. i would do it again. i thoroughly , thoroughly again. i thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed myself. but to come back out and see this all too predictable, raw going on in the conservative party, you know, does say there is a vacuum at the centre right of british politics. and from what i can see of the polling, you know, reform is slowly surely , reform is slowly surely, steadily, organically growing and, you know, there is a major rift within the conservative party coming . they had the rift party coming. they had the rift over brexit. they sort of papered over the cracks by

pretending to the country in 2019 that they believed in brexit when they never really did . and i think, you know, we did. and i think, you know, we are back in we are back in over echr a split of the same magnitude as we saw over brexit. and i and ijust magnitude as we saw over brexit. and i and i just think the all and i and ijust think the all the signals, you know, if braverman is out and david cameron's back, that tells me all i need to know about rishi sunak and where he's taking our country . country. >> and what shocked you more? nigel actually, was it the immigration numbers or the return of now lord cameron of chipping norton to give him his new title and the firing the sacking of suella braverman and the implications also, nigel, that that shows for brexit it . that that shows for brexit it. >> well look i mean cameron is the arch remainer of course he's now back at the heart of government . it almost feels like government. it almost feels like the brexiteers are being purged within the conservative party. the globalists are taking back over and whilst they pay lip

service to the fact we've left the european union , they're not the european union, they're not prepared at all to deal with the echr issue. they fiddle around the edges. they fully intend to go into the next election on immigration and other subjects , immigration and other subjects, and for the fifth election, in a row they will wilfully and openly just lie to the british public, literally, openly lie to the british public. they'll tell them they intend to reduce immigration numbers when the truth is they intend to do no such thing . so this is all cause such thing. so this is all cause and effect . you know, the net and effect. you know, the net migration figures of three quarters of a million are a direct result of government policy and a direct result of who is put into those senior positions means it's all one and the same thing. and we're heading on this completely hopeless trajectory . and i think hopeless trajectory. and i think that's leading to millions of people, frankly , feeling as people, frankly, feeling as disenfranchised from politics as they were in the run up to the brexit referendum. now a decade ago, i mean , nigel, the shocking ago, i mean, nigel, the shocking thing about the immigration

numbers of 745,000 for the year ended december 22nd. >> that was an increase of about 140,000 from the previous figure . i think the total for this yean . i think the total for this year, 2023, which is going to be announced next may, will be very , very similar and the government's come up with a sort of an emergency plan to try and reduce those numbers, but it's not going to be introduced until next spring. so a fairly sort of wide eyed time frame. my concern now, nigel, is there'll be a surge of applications between now and mid to end of next spnng now and mid to end of next spring in the many , many spring in the many, many hundreds of thousands. >> yeah. i mean, a government gets tough on immigration, announces a raft of measures, but as you say, they don't come in till next may. goodness only knows what happens between now and next may. i suppose in some ways this all of this makes the general election in may a bit more likely. i mean, maybe they want to have the election before we get the may figures. who's to say whether they might be a

million more? mean, million or more? i mean, literally and what literally no one knows. and what makes so angry is, you know, makes me so angry is, you know, at the heart of the brexit revolt against the establishment and the desire to take back control of our destiny and our future. was this whole issue of taking control of taking back control of our borders and you look back at what boris johnson was telling the country in 2019 about borders and control, and you realise if you read between the lines, they never intend to do anything about it . and i just anything about it. and i just think that people who are conservatively minded with a small c have just had enough of being lied to. >> and the final point, nigel, is that actually this growth in legal immigration numbers is as a direct result of the deliberate post—brexit policies taking back control of our of our borders. it's actually directly consequential and i think everybody is just so shocked at that cause and effect i >> richard the only people that

shouldn't be shocked are those that have been watching this show since it launched in july 2nd years ago. and right from the very start, we made it clear that what they'd done, they'd lowered the barriers to entry. they'd made people with lower qualifications, with lower income requirements, able to come to britain. students, frankly , can just breeze in and frankly, can just breeze in and stay forever . other people can stay forever. other people can come as care workers and bring family dependents. i mean, we might as well just have a complete total open door. and that happening in a country where 17.4 million people dared to stand up to defy the establishment , to demand change. establishment, to demand change. they haven't got any change. and of course, the truth is that a labour government would make little or no difference to that. so we really are at a moment where the london based political class, much of the media that supports it, is now further away from the centre ground of public opinion in britain than i think i've ever seen in my lifetime time. and anyone that dares to

stand up and make these arguments get shouted down, gets abused on social media. but i'll tell you what, it's not working anymore. the scales have fallen from the eyes of the british public. they're seeing the political class for what they are. we are set for some very tumult years in british politics. and despite our first past, the post system making big change difficult, i think very big change is coming. >> absolutely . nigel and then >> absolutely. nigel and then there's another huge element within these legal immigration numbers that no one's properly addressing , numbers that no one's properly addressing, and that's what i think is the abuse of the international student visa system, which those numbers are off, off the scale . nigel, off, off the scale. nigel, fantastic to hear from you on absolutely great form . huge. absolutely great form. huge. congratulations again for everybody here and all the viewers. we're looking forward to hearing from you. back when you're back in the studio. that's nigel farage, of course, straight out of the jungle on great form, as you can see. you will not want to miss him when he is back in the studio, that

is for sure. as you can see, he's got a lot to say about what's been going on. politics has missed him and he's come back. and as i thought and predicted, he is far , far, far predicted, he is far, far, far from content. in fact, you can hearit from content. in fact, you can hear it in his voice. he's absolutely fuming at what has gone on. coming up after the breaks, we're going to be talking about rishi sunaks evidence to the covid inquiry. and of course , the latest rwanda and of course, the latest rwanda news, because there is breaking updates as as we speak. don't go anywhere. it's

radio. >> welcome back, my friends, to the flower show here on gb news. well, you heard nigel there just before the break. he might have been away, but he's been doing a lot of thinking. he's caught up in the last 24 hours with what has gone on in politics in the united kingdom. and i think you can fairly certain that he is

can be fairly certain that he is not only far from happy, he's actually fuming , mad, utterly actually fuming, mad, utterly furious with the reality he's predict it for years. and in a sense, sadly but truthfully, those predictions have come into reality . and there is a lot to reality. and there is a lot to talk about. so we've got the rwanda bill. it's all happening literally as we speak now , i literally as we speak now, i tell you what, if you're wondering what to advise your godchildren in your children, what business they should be in, i'm going to suggest if they can go into the legal business, i mean, it's unbelievable. i've got not one, i've got not two. i've got three lots of legal opinions produced in the last 24 to 36 hours about this this short rwanda safety bill. all of them differing in their views. some saying it doesn't go far enough, some saying you can't go any further, one saying it's

absolute brilliant . i'll tell absolute brilliant. i'll tell you what, if you appoint two lawyers or ask two lawyers, you're almost guaranteed to get two separate opinions and we've just heard that the one nation group of conservative mps, there's dozens of these different groups . they have said different groups. they have said that actually it's okay and we're going to vote for it. and thatis we're going to vote for it. and that is quite significant, isn't because if the one nation group, which could consist of up to 100 tory mps say they're going to vote for it, then that probably means that they would just about get through . but there is get it through. but there is a risk that they may not and that would be seriously, seriously challenging for the prime minister. but look, you've heard about this for days and weeks now. are you sick of it? my simple question to you, my viewers and listeners is , is viewers and listeners is, is should rishi scrap the rwanda bill or stick with it? email me, farage at gbnews.com or tweet , farage at gbnews.com or tweet, hashtag farage on gb news. well,

i'm delighted to be joined in the studio by david maddox, the political editor of the daily express online . and very express online. and very experienced in all these matters and a regular on the channel and the show. david extra ordinary times very fast moving . i mean, times very fast moving. i mean, you probably sort of recall it from the brexit years, but i thought earlier this evening that if the one nation group were going to sort of say they were going to sort of say they were going to abstain, that he might to pull the bill. might have to pull the bill. this is quite significant. if they're going to support it, are they're going to support it, are they essentially propping up the prime doom? prime minister from from doom? >> been like kind of >> yes, it's been like kind of reliving the brexit glory days , reliving the brexit glory days, if that's the right way of putting it. the in parliament, you know, we've all these different groups plotting in different groups plotting in different committee rooms and things. i think it's very significant that the one nation caucus has backed it because i think it tells you everything you need to know that this bill won't achieve what's needed and just to be clear to everybody, because the one nation group,

they are sort of in a sense to they are sort of in a sense to the centre left of the broad spectrum of conservatives. there are social democrats essentially , they're social democrats. >> but i thought they were called conservatives. >> know , so that's to >> well, you know, so that's to the left of large conservative rather than small c, so if they're happy with it , they are they're happy with it, they are very much in favour of international law and the primacy of international law and that means that in their view, into national law is not being blocked out . so it's very blocked out. so it's very significant . now, the earlier significant. now, the earlier meeting today with the european research group and the common sense group and the new conservatives and a couple of others was very much of a very different opinion. they've been urging the prime minister to drop the bill. now you said that you think with a one nation group that that means it will definitely go through right ? definitely go through right? rishi sunak only needs 29 no votes. >> so these numbers are really critical. everybody at home and listening because 20 if 29 tory

mps voted against and everybody else then also voted against it, then he would lose. yes. and the other key number is abstentions . other key number is abstentions. so i think the number is if 57 mps abstained . and then they'll mps abstained. and then they'll also would mean that he would lose it. >> so the likelihood is it would be votes against, plus some abstentions . now there's be votes against, plus some abstentions. now there's a meeting this evening ongoing as we speak in parliament in the office of danny kruger , who is office of danny kruger, who is chairman of the new conservative group on the right of the party. there's a lot of his groups going around. so apologies to your viewers that . but and then your viewers that. but and then there will be another meeting tomorrow morning, again, with the same group of mps on the right to make a final decision about what to do . their issue is about what to do. their issue is , do we vote it down tomorrow because they have the numbers to do that or do we allow it to go through to january and then vote it down? and i hope that the government can make some changes

and do you think they're posturing and that they're more likely to abstain or actually go as far as voting against i the word i was getting earlier today is that they are now on the verge of voting against really because bill cash , the veteran because bill cash, the veteran brexiteer , has said and his star brexiteer, has said and his star chamber sir bill's a lawyer as well as an mp , the star chamber well as an mp, the star chamber of legal constitutional experts have said this bill is unamendable. it'sjust have said this bill is unamendable. it's just not fit for purpose. it won't work. so what's the point of trying to amend it at a later stage if you know, let's just vote it down? >> and so they would vote it down, even though if there was enough of them and enough abstentions , that would put the abstentions, that would put the prime minister's tenure and his whole position in in in real peril . peril. >> and this is where we get to the point that many of them want that ever since the reshuffle, the ejection of suella braverman from the government, there has

been a push to have a leadership vote of confidence. and this issue is the hill that they're prepared to die on to have that. >> and how much notice will they be taking of suella braverman, the former home secretary because she's been saying it's not fit for purpose and that parliament should sit over christmas with with some amendments to push this through? >> yes , i think we'll be taking >> yes, i think we'll be taking a lot of notice of her. the there's two groups. there's a group who want her to be leader and the bigger group. but want to really change the direction of a government on this . you of a government on this. you know, i think i think she as a result of this, will come through as quite a serious leadership figure. now >> and what do you think robert jenrick will do? will he will he abstain ? abstain? >> he'll vote against he'll vote against i'm pretty sure he'll vote at vote against he was saying at the weekend. i'm going to the weekend. yeah, i'm going to put the david, to put you on the spot, david, to finish how many votes do you think tomorrow think there will be tomorrow evening vote against the

evening in this vote against the rwanda bill? as things stood earlier today ? i think there earlier today? i think there will be more than the 29 more than the 29. but it my big caveat in this is, as you said, this is a fast changing scenario , though. so by tomorrow morning , they may well have decided as we sit here now, it's 7:30. >> you're saying more than 29 votes. there will be more than bnng votes. there will be more than bring down the bill. you heard it here first, folks. that's david maddox, the political editor the express editor of the daily express online . and he thinks at the online. and he thinks at the moment that this thing is likely to fail. you will not want to miss anything . keep abreast of miss anything. keep abreast of it here on gb news. thank you very much indeed, david. fascinating stuff. fast moving indeed. talking of fast moving. well, actually it's well, maybe not. actually it's about a five year snore that may not think will achieve its original objective. but the covid inquiry is dribbling on today. it was the turn of the prime minister after the break, we'll what he to we'll get into what he had to say. don't

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>> welcome back, my friends , to >> welcome back, my friends, to farage here at gb news. you heard nigel's thoughts on immigration earlier in the show. we'll be getting an alternative view later in the show as to why actually immigration good for actually immigration is good for the united kingdom. now my audience to you should audience question to you should rishi sunak the prime minister scrap rwanda bill that's scrap the rwanda bill that's causing of this angst? well, causing all of this angst? well, helen says yes or scrap it. it'll never work. and even with a tiny majority, the lords will rip the bill to bits . helen a tiny majority, the lords will rip the bill to bits. helen is right on the button. donald supporting a bill you don't think is right for purpose is absolute cowardice sums up conservative politicians totally. george says rwanda is just another expensive and pointless distraction. another white elephant very much like hs2 . well, there we are. lots of hs2. well, there we are. lots of thoughts on that. meanwhile, the covid inquiry is trundling through its long process . a through its long process. a multi year, multi, multi , multi

multi year, multi, multi, multi million pound bill. today was the turn of the prime minister all day and he was being grilled on his scheme when he was chancellor of the exchequer. the eat out to help out scheme. i'm delighted to be joined in the studio by two guests, professor angus dalgleish and from the who was a professor of oncology at saint george's university of london. and also to my right, elliot keck, the head of campaign at the taxpayers alliance. gentlemen very warm welcome and come to you , welcome and come to you, professor so you've been professor first. so you've been following this very closely indeed. you heard the prime minister's the former prime minister's the former prime minister's two days of testimony last week , rishi sunak as last week, rishi sunak as chancellor. he was there to, in a sense, put forward the economic situation, input into lockdowns . how do you think lockdowns. how do you think today went in terms of the questions that were put to him and how he responded in particular about the challenges on the eat out to help out

scheme ? scheme? >> well, first of all, he reveals something that was very important that his job as chancellor was to weigh the balance of the lockdown down. and clearly this was never done. and clearly this was never done. and we've seen throughout the inquiry that they've said some very sensible things at some stages and then come to a totally different consensus of what they actually did. and you know, what i've always said with this inquiry, it is a bit of a whitewash because they've not answered the major questions . as answered the major questions. as you know, last week we dealt with why did they not deal with the origins of the and the origins of the virus and everything that came with it? now, week they've now, this week they've not been deaung now, this week they've not been dealing it justify able dealing with was it justify able to the lockdown? did they to have the lockdown? did they do a cost benefit analysis ? do a cost benefit analysis? well, rishi said that was his job to do it and he clearly didn't. otherwise we wouldn't have entered it's quite have entered it. it's quite clear they're not really clear that they're not really asking the question, should we have locked down all? have locked down at all? >> it seems to me the only question they're asking is assuming the lockdowns are good, did they lock down early enough? that's been the thrust of the

whole but something whole inquiry. but something else, i think, emerged , which i else, i think, emerged, which i don't think the barrister has properly addressed feels to me that he's he's taken the scientists their evidence. the government's scientists as gospel, whereas government's scientists as gospel , whereas actually what we gospel, whereas actually what we heard from the former chancellor, now the prime minister today was that actually the science and the data was evolving and shifting and i don't think the barrister grilled and the government scientist , witty and valentenko scientist, witty and valentenko on this at all. >> no, i totally agree . i >> no, i totally agree. i thought it was awful the way that it he didn't bother really holding whitty and vallance's feet to the fire as it were because as they both said things that were reasonably sensible and then changed their minds and they went along with the consensus that came down from sage, which was then guided by modelling from tom ferguson and his colleagues. and what came down was only ever the worst case scenario for them to have a

fear factor on. so all rational . fear factor on. so all rational. he went out the window. i felt . he went out the window. i felt. >> but we heard from rishi sunak today that actually we were all told that sage had this great consensus and trust the scientists. but said actually scientists. but he said actually he there that consensus he there wasn't that consensus within sage. you can sort of understand that. mean, this understand that. i mean, this thing fast moving. they thing was very fast moving. they were grappling with the were all grappling with it. the advice changing, but they advice was changing, but they didn't us the truth on didn't tell us the truth on that, did they? >> they didn't tell the truth >> they didn't tell us the truth and didn't us the and they didn't tell us the truth about sage is one of truth about sage. sage is one of those great misnomers, like nice, misleads. i mean, nice, which misleads. i mean, there anybody on that there was hardly anybody on that who proper clinicians the who are proper clinicians at the coalface who saw what happened on grounds with a new on the grounds with a new respiratory was respiratory virus which was going through the population like wildfire and lockdown never works for a respiratory virus. >> and we know that. and there's lots of data that i've got. senous lots of data that i've got. serious question marks that actually the barrister's been been presenting . but i know you been presenting. but i know you want a real detailed analysis of the cause of the virus, whether it's from a lab leak. you've been very focussed on that. i

think that's a whole separate inquiry, but i'm with you completely on that. professor, thank so much. i'm to thank you so much. i'm going to turn elliot keck, head of turn now to elliot keck, head of campaigns at the taxpayers alliance. you this alliance. how do you think this inquiry going? i it's inquiry is going? i mean, it's going cost a quarter going to cost nearer a quarter of a billion than 100 million. it's to take many, many it's going to take many, many years. is this a good use of our time and resources and effort? yeah. >> so just touching that >> so just touching on that cost, taxpayers cost, we, the taxpayers alliance, people alliance, like many people actually days , have actually over recent days, have been some calculations been doing some calculations as to this could cost. to how much this could cost. we've come up with a we've actually come up with a relatively conservative estimate of but even that of £156 million. but even that would the second most would be the second most expensive covid public inquiry even expensive covid public inquiry ever. it would most ever. it would be the most expensive per day at about £109,000 per day. and what are we for that money? well, we getting for that money? well, at moment, essentially what at the moment, essentially what we're really is a we're getting really is a soap opera, more concerned opera, which is more concerned with said what, curse with who said what, curse word when and honing in on the specific issue of lockdowns and not looking at the much, much broader picture. and i think that will infuriate taxpayers. and i know it will infuriate your viewers because we're not getting for money from getting value for money from this inquiry at the moment.

>> and in essentially, this >> and in essentially, is this the protecting the the establishment protecting the establishment at the expense of the politicians who sort of i guess almost everybody is quite happy to sort of throw under the bus and blame them? is that what's really going on here? or or do they think that they're doing splendid job? doing a splendid job? >> i think it's a refusal to look at bigger picture look at the bigger picture fundamentally . the really fundamentally. the really interesting thing about eat out to to help which to eat out to help out, which was of the topics covered was one of the topics covered today, i think we were very much against the policy. i think it was a bad policy. but the one thing can for is it's thing you can say for it is it's one the few times during the one of the few times during the pandemic actually policy pandemic where actually policy makers, politicians were thinking something thinking about something other than covid than just trying to limit covid cases. problem is, is cases. and the problem is, is the whole 18 months, we the whole for that 18 months, we basically had one policy priority. result that priority. and the result of that has enormous damage to has been enormous damage to every other because every single other area because obviously help out obviously eat out to help out was was expensive. was expensive. it was expensive. but it did do was the but what it did do was the hospitality sector was in complete crisis. >> did give people confidence >> it did give people confidence to out and to socialise and

to go out and to socialise and to go out and to socialise and to start spending money again to protect jobs. and that was very much the chancellor's key objective in that sense, i would argue, yes, it was expensive , argue, yes, it was expensive, but it did work. it did achieve that objective of getting things going again. yeah and i can absolutely understand the rationale behind it. >> the problem was, is all of that progress was then undone by the fact that we then had more or less six, seven, eight months of almost continuous very of almost continuous and very severe lockdowns . and i think severe lockdowns. and i think this back the problem this brings back to the problem of inquiry. it's of the covid inquiry. it's just looking at did lockdown work in the very limited faux pas purpose of bringing down cases of this respiratory illness that we know would have gone around anyway . and it's not looking at anyway. and it's not looking at in the overall picture. when you think education, other health think of education, other health care, business, mental health, all of those other factors , it's all of those other factors, it's essentially ignoring . essentially ignoring. >> absolutely right. and i think my concern about this, the approach of the barrister, is that actually he said that the cases went up after eat out to help out and that was to blame.

but then there's an there's a graph which i've used before that shows the growth in cases at the identical time in september in france and in portugal, they didn't have that eat out to help out. so i'm afraid actually the barristers , afraid actually the barristers, that graph is on the screen now , that graph is on the screen now, the grey column there is august 2020. the eat out to help out period. you can see then that actually france and portugal's case numbers increased almost identically with the uk. angus, just finally, your thought on that. the barristers completely wrong on that, wasn't he? >> yes, well, they've got it wrong and a lot of things, especially with regards to lockdown, have any effect on the impact of the wave . of course, impact of the wave. of course, we now know it didn't and yet this implication and i cannot believe the conclusions that they're drawing is that if we lock down earlier, everything would have been better. it wouldn't have a blind bit wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference. gentlemen we're going be coming to this going to be coming back to this because got years this. because we've got years of this. >> say, folks, >> i'm afraid to say, folks, frankly, would just the

frankly, i would just read the swedish which swedish inquiry report which finished a year a half ago. finished a year and a half ago. yes. they've report. it yes. they've got no report. it didn't cost anything like didn't cost them anything like as much. and they've learned similar of lessons. similar sort of lessons. what the goodness me. the farage moment. goodness me. trump predicted to win the election joe biden by 3 election against joe biden by 3 or 4, possibly as much as 6% of the latest polls, with the third party candidates due to stand, nigel will be fascinated by that when he comes back. now, after the break. well, 35 celebrities and generals and the like , the and generals and the like, the great and the good have signed a letter to ditch the rwanda plan. and take a completely different we've got people like brian cox , we've got people like brian cox, lord dannatt, gary lineker. he's always there when it's important. don't go anywhere. but coming up to that, after the

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farage on gb news. well, no surprise, of course, on the rwanda scheme . lots of people rwanda scheme. lots of people think that actually this is the wrong way to go. and there's been a letter which has been signed by some 35 of the great and the to good political leaders in general, entitled britain's refugee system has become ever more uncaring, chaotic and costly. it's a page and a half letter to i won't read the whole thing, but just one key thing. it says that we are calling on you political leaders, to commit to a fair new plan for refugees that that works better. well, look, i guess we all want a fair new plan. we've always been caring and compassionate and welcoming thing. but what we don't want is that system being abused , that system being abused, manipulated or being run in a completely incompetent way . completely incompetent way. maybe the to actually sit alongside each other. well, let's see what david mellor, former conservative mp and former conservative mp and former chief secretary to the treasury, thinks about this.

david, very good evening to you. i'm sure you've seen this letter signed by the likes of brian cox, general dannatt and gary lineker and many others . what lineker and many others. what are your thoughts to this? well intentioned, thoughtful, respectful , all? respectful, all? >> i don't think it matters a tuppenny whatever what they think. think some of them think coherent thoughts. others just jump coherent thoughts. others just jump on the bandwagon . the jump on the bandwagon. the answer is what matters is, is what the government decides to do. i don't care what i mean. look, gary lynn is a nice chap at the time when i was very friendly with him, but i don't care what he thinks about politics, i barely care what he thinks about football. so a lot of this is a lot of hot air. what matters is, is that the government gets this right. and ihave government gets this right. and i have to tell you, as somebody who when i was a minister, many years ago on this occasion, looked at the european court of human rights with advisers, and we concluded that the european

court of human rights, which consists of judges nominated by countries, quite a lot of them ex—communist countries, had no power to determine what english, british law was. i am no longer privy to what these ministers get told or whether they ask the right questions. but my view is the european court of human rights should have nothing whatever to do with what the british people decide. should be the way ahead for our country. the problem is the intervention of the british courts and there you have, you know , i mean, i you have, you know, i mean, i wonder what these what sort of world these judges are living in more than half a million people for each year for the last two years have come into this country. where are we all going to country gets to go when our country gets overwhelmed by such folk? >> is most of it though? david just finally, a bit just finally, time's a bit short, actually, of the short, actually, because of the incompetence of the civil service to carry out ministers wishes as and to process the

asylum seekers claims promptly and efficiently . and efficiently. >> no, i think it's the politicians who must take the rat . i think the politicians rat. i think the politicians have not been clear enough . they have not been clear enough. they haven't been clear headed enough . the whole art of this is to stop people who wash up on a beach ending up with access to legal aid, access to lawyers and access to the british courts . access to the british courts. just because you choose to get in a boat, why should that give you any rights in this country? and that is the approach that the government should have taken. but i that taken. but i fear that the government has the author government has been the author of its misfortunes because of its own misfortunes because it's let the courts in. david sounds like david. >> that's fantastic. too little, too late. david, i really appreciate your thoughts. sorry it's because i want to it's so short because i want to go now to ishmael lee south, who's director of the salam who's the director of the salam project and cultural youth work consultant. ishmael, thank you for on the show . you may for coming on the show. you may have heard there what david mellor was saying. we've got an important letter from some some well respected establishment

figures and celebrities about the refugee system . and we had the refugee system. and we had nigel farage earlier on the show talking about the quantity of legal immigration. what are your thoughts as to where ishmael, this debate has now got to it's a big live debate up and down the country . the country. >> yes. thank you for having me on your show. i should state if people really want to deal with this issue of illegal immigrants and migrants coming into britain. um on the boats. we need to deal with the economic hitmen who are going into the countries where most of the economic migrants are fleeing from who are bankrupt eating these countries economically destabilising these countries and causing disarray, which is forcing these people to leave their countries . now, these their countries. now, these economic hitmen are mostly based in the usa , the uk and europe in the usa, the uk and europe and most so they call themselves

finance consults . it's if these finance consults. it's if these people are held accountable for destabilising these countries , destabilising these countries, those which makes people want to leave these countries to come to europe, then we will solve this immigration problem. >> and now ishmael, for those for those for those who want more immigration or similar levels of immigration to this , levels of immigration to this, where do you think that is? do you think there's a sensible number that we should welcome of lawful immigration? if so, where do think that number is ? do you think that number is? >> i can't put a number on it all i say is if someone is fleeing their country because they earn a legal wage they want to earn a legal wage to support their family and to be an upright person. yes. as long as they come in legally and their aims are intentions to live a lawful life and be contributing to society. yes if they're here for criminal acts, they're here for criminal acts, they port them. if they're here for any bad intentions, deport them. so but we need if you want to deal with the real issue,

also have to state a lot of these human relief charities, they waste billions on administration and bureaucracy. all this money used for this rwandan issue , we should find rwandan issue, we should find a neutral, um, no unpopulated island that's around europe. and then this is a place where we could fund an organisation, rnli , and whereby we could bring these economic migrants to this island where they could be processed , where they could be processed, where they could be assessed, where they could be vetted, and then if everything goes well, then we. >> ishmael you're absolutely right. we should do it promptly and efficiently and not waste taxpayers cash. ishmael, i really it. sorry it's really appreciate it. sorry it's so short. thank so much for so short. thank you so much for coming farage this coming on the farage show. this evening. now, we have, of course, been continuing to invest and westminster invest and a new westminster studio has been launched today . studio has been launched today. just take a listen to chris hope in the news studio. welcome to gb news brand new west minster studio. >> there are some christmas trees around me because, of course, it's christmas time come

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legislation would not work . how legislation would not work. how will the prime minister cope with the brewing revolt? whispers amongst westminster have reported that ministers have reported that ministers have admitted ousting boris johnson , the great lion savaged johnson, the great lion savaged by jackals was a mistake. but now i say , i told them so. more now i say, i told them so. more trouble for the current prime minister as he was dragged over the coals at the covid inquiry today, owing his today, owing to his implementation of eat out to implementation of the eat out to help out scheme. but he help out scheme. but surely he was what any good was doing what any good chancellor to do in chancellor ought to do in government . i tried my best to government. i tried my best to cancel diversity and cancel silly diversity and inclusion schemes, but it appeared tide's too strong . appeared the tide's too strong. senior civil servants are being encouraged to diversity and encouraged to lead diversity and inclusion schemes order be inclusion schemes in order to be awarded bonuses with everything from books about white supremacy to drumming classes. to african drumming classes. they fun in the public they sound fun in the public sector . plus, when heard we sector. plus, when i heard we were discussing the chicken run this evening, thought this was this evening, i thought this was a reference to mps looking for safer seats as an election looms. it turns out it's a new film which could prompt the younger to vegan younger generation to turn vegan . but what would we do