migrant dies on big stockholm >> migrant dies on big stockholm barge earlier reports from the ceo of the charity care for calais have suggested the asylum seeker took his own life on board. we'll bring you more detail as we get it. >> and bankrupt birmingham, the people of birmingham have been threatened with a huge council tax rise and reduced services in the new year. is your council at risk of bankruptcy . now.7 >> now? >> we're just moments away from the official final debate on the rwanda bill to take place in the house of commons. home secretary james cleverly will be trying to convince mps both who are sceptical of the bill, for going too far and sceptical of the bill for not going far enough. that actually it's the right course to take. >> i imagine there are quite a few conservative mps who are

still unsure which way they're going to vote and it does seem that the government is pulling out all the stops. >> a breakfast for mps in number 10 this morning from the new conservative group on that . conservative group on that. >> yesterday we were talking about how it might be smoked salmon were served. salmon that they were served. apparently smoked salmon, apparently not smoked salmon, not salmon , bacon rolls a not smoked salmon, bacon rolls a little more to down earth, a better breakfast. >> but of course, all of this is, of course, in a new context. in the last 30 minutes or so, we've learned some pretty terrible news from aboard the bibby stockholm. how will that cloud the debate today ? and does cloud the debate today? and does it well do and does it mean that people are going to be more likely or less likely to back the bill? obviously having fewer asylum seekers living in any sort of temporary accommodation has to be a priority , but it has got to be a priority, but it really is crunch time. >> so we'll bring the very >> so we'll bring you the very latest we'll speaking latest and we'll be speaking to a conservative mps and a number of conservative mps and experts show today. but experts on the show today. but first, get headlines first, let's get the headlines with tatiana .

with tatiana. >> emily, thank you and good afternoon. this is the latest from the newsroom . the home from the newsroom. the home office has confirmed an asylum seeker on board the bibby stockholm barge has died . the stockholm barge has died. the first asylum seekers were brought back to the vessel docked in dorset in october, around two months after it was evacuated following the discovery of legionella bacteria in the water supply. according to media reports, police and ambulance services arrived at the scene after the body was found this morning . rishi sunak found this morning. rishi sunak tells mps he will listen to suggestions for tightening the safety of the rwanda bill, but he will not commit to amendments. rishi sunak is fighting for his political future as he attempts to persuade a group of rebel tory mps to back the legislation ahead of a key vote right wing conservatives will meet this evening to make a final decision on whether to vote against the safety of the rwanda bill or to abstain . while some tory mps abstain. while some tory mps have given their support for the

vote, they've warned against any attempts to harden the measures . attempts to harden the measures. the labour leader, sir keir starmer, accused party starmer, accused the tory party of too self—involved to of being too self—involved to govern, adding that he thinks the legislation would pass at a second reading later. >> we're all stuck in their psychodrama all being dragged down to their level all and that's what they just don't understand. while they're swanning around self—importantly with their factions and their starched chambers fighting like rats in a sack, there's a country out here that isn't being governed and a country that needs leadership . that needs leadership. >> child killer lucy letby does not object to being stripped of her nursing credentials . as the her nursing credentials. as the court has heard, the two day heanng court has heard, the two day hearing will decide if letby should be removed from the register. let be filled out a form where she was asked if she accepts the nursing and midwifery council's charges. she said i accept the fact of the convictions and i maintain my innocence in respect of all of

the convictions . in august, the the convictions. in august, the 33 year old was sentenced to 14. a whole life orders after she was convicted of the murders of seven babies and the attempted murders of six others . three men murders of six others. three men have died and two others suffered life threatening injuries after a collision between a bus and a car. the incident happened at 7 pm. last night in cadley in wales. two young men, aged 18 and one aged 19, were declared dead at the scene . the pace of wage growth scene. the pace of wage growth has eased back by more than expected , whilst uk unemployment expected, whilst uk unemployment remains unchanged. the office for national statistics says. wages rose by 7.3% in the three months to october, which is down from 7.8% in the previous three months. this was the steepest fall in earnings growth since the three months to november 2021. chancellor jeremy hunt 2021. chancellorjeremy hunt said it's positive to see inflation continue to fall and real wages growing . some good

real wages growing. some good news for renters as price increases are expected to halve by the end of next year. rents have increased by nearly 10% over the past year, leaving potential tenants stranded in the cost of living crisis. but there are signs the uk is now past peak growth . property past peak growth. property website zoopla expects annual rental growth to drop to 5% by december next year . rental growth to drop to 5% by december next year. plans to relocate more than 20,000 civil service jobs outside of london will be brought forward to 2027. the target to move the roles away from the capital by 2030 has been accelerated, with plans also to open second headquarters for several departments in aberdeen, darlington and greater manchester. more than 300 jobs will also be located in wales, as ministers say , it was a sign as ministers say, it was a sign of the government's commitment to levelling up. the government says the decision will deliver economic benefits to regions across the country . and 11 to 16

across the country. and 11 to 16 year old pupils are being failed by the education system. that's according to the lords committee. a house of lords report is calling for the engush report is calling for the english bachelorette to be axed . english bachelorette to be axed. it warns the education system is too focussed on academic learning and written exams and reform is urgently needed. it also says the current system is limiting pupils opportunities to study abroad . and this is gb study abroad. and this is gb news across the uk . on tv, in news across the uk. on tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to tom and . emily tom and. emily >> good afternoon, britain. the prime minister is trying to avert a damaging rebellion by right wing tory mps over his rwanda plan . this is ahead of rwanda plan. this is ahead of tonight's crunch vote. >> both the flagship scheme and arguably sunak's premiership depend on the outcome of tonight's key vote , and sir keir tonight's key vote, and sir keir starmer has accused the tories

of being in an indulgent vortex of being in an indulgent vortex of infighting. yes, but he's also said that he does think he does think that this bill will go through because of the government's majority. but we shall see. >> yes. well let's speak now to our political editor, christopher he's in christopher hope. he's in westminster with the chairman of the conservative party richard holden. chris >> thank you, tom. thanks, emily. with me now is richard holden, the chairman of the tory party. richard holden, four years ago today, you were elected as a red wall tory mp against the odds. what's gone wrong with the party? look, i think today we've got a really important thing to do and that's to deliver the toughest possible legislation imaginable , all legislation imaginable, all tougher than anything any government previously passed to really clamp down on really help clamp down on illegal immigration and get that rwanda scheme moving as quickly as possible. >> it removes all of those legal issues that we've dogged us over the years when we've tried to ensure that people get deported from the uk .

from the uk. >> so i think this is a really strong plan. >> i hope that people get behind it. it's absolutely vital that they because the only other they do because the only other alternative is starmer's alternative is keir starmer's open immigration policy. open door immigration policy. keir starmer thinks any keir starmer thinks that any form of controls on immigration are racist, which is obvious nonsense and we need to have a strong plan and back the prime minister tonight in order to deliver for the british people. >> but your colleagues think that can't the that they can't back it. the five of tory right five families of the tory right are meeting 5:00 today. they are meeting at 5:00 today. they may well vote against it. what's your message them? your message to them? >> would say this is the >> i would just say this is the toughest possible package that has forward. and has been brought forward. and obviously also a second obviously this is also a second reading today. is reading vote today. so this is on the principle of it. any tory mp should backing the mp should be backing the principle immigration principle of tougher immigration controls, which is exactly what's on the table today. there's obviously further detail and there's the government's made any tweaks and there's the government's mad can any tweaks and there's the government's mad can be any tweaks and there's the government's mad can be made any tweaks and there's the government's mad can be made to any tweaks and there's the government's mad can be made to toughenaks and there's the government's mad can be made to toughen its that can be made to toughen it up further, then they're open to discussions on that. but we've got they're really strong got to be they're really strong on principle of tougher on the principle of tougher rules. think to my rules. and i think to my colleagues, would just to

colleagues, i would just say to this, is this, the other option is a labour government who want open door immigration. i don't want to see that. i don't want to see those controls that we've fought hard to put in place over the last few years, removed. i want to see us making further progress and really clamping to see us making further progrewe've really clamping to see us making further progrewe've already lamping to see us making further progrewe've already seening to see us making further progrewe've already seen boat down. we've already seen boat arrivals down by a third this yeah arrivals down by a third this year. we've seen hundreds of criminals arrested here in the uk really taking head on. uk really taking this head on. we've got to go further and we've got to take action now. >> you mentioned a labour government. are you saying that if the government loses tonight, there'll election the there'll be an election in the early spring? >> saying tonight is i >> what i'm saying tonight is i don't any don't want, i think, any weakness from our party today will not help the cause which is so important to voters up and down country, including in down the country, including in constituencies like mine, including in marginal seats like bury country. bury, right across the country. we've got to ensure we are we've got to ensure that we are as tough as practically possible on these measures. that's what this bill does. that's what lord wolfson has said. that's what lord sumption has said. former supreme court justice. we need to be there for the british

people. delivering for them. >> how confident are you of winning tonight? will it be a tight vote? >> look, just hope that all >> look, i just hope that all colleagues really think seriously about this. this a seriously about this. this is a second reading a bill second reading of a to bill have the toughest immigration controls country has ever controls this country has ever seen. that's what's on the table tonight . anybody who isn't tonight. anybody who isn't backing that has got to really have a good look in the mirror today. i want to see everybody supporting this. everybody is supporting this. everybody is supporting the prime minister who bringing forward the who is bringing forward the toughest possible legislation in this space. >> mps vote against will >> mps who vote against will lose like whipping lose the whip, like whipping matters the matters are a matter for the chief whip. >> i'm there to help support colleagues up and the colleagues up and down the country deliver country and deliver as many conservative possible at conservative mps as possible at the general election to the next general election to voting for this measure tonight will help me do that. i want all colleagues to be with us in the division lobbies wherever possible, because this is such an important piece of legislation , especially when you legislation, especially when you contrast starmers contrast it to keir starmers speech know, speech today. you know, won't even the £28 billion even mention the £28 billion a year he's planning to borrow. he's trying to hide from those

issues. hide from that would be an 5% on the basic rate of an extra 5% on the basic rate of income tax for people, we income tax for people, right? we need very clear. there is need to be very clear. there is a real clear dividing line here. need to be very clear. there is a conservative riding line here. need to be very clear. there is a conservative party line here. need to be very clear. there is a conservative party that here. need to be very clear. there is a conservative party that is re. a conservative party that is committed to delivering for the british people on controlling illegal immigration, a labour party that wants open borders and hikes right across the and tax hikes right across the board for the people of our country. >> i'm just very finely an odds on winning tonight. 5050. >> i'm going to be out >> look, i'm going to be out there doing as much as i can to convince that this is convince colleagues that this is exactly to exactly the right thing to do. we need as hard as we need to be as hard as possible on immigration because the other option is an open doon the other option is an open door, to unlimited door, not just to unlimited migration, to the labour door, not just to unlimited migrawho to the labour door, not just to unlimited migrawho would the labour door, not just to unlimited migrawho would wreckabour door, not just to unlimited migrawho would wreck our r party who would wreck our country. richard thank country. richard holden, thank you on gb news you forjoining us on gb news and heard there and and you heard there tom and ellie richard. >> richard holden, chairman >> richard holden, the chairman of making clear of the tory party, making clear that will look at amending that they will look at amending it maybe the spring just to it maybe in the spring just to get tonight's vote, a key get past tonight's vote, a key moment almost existential, on the anniversary of the four year anniversary of that that tory that label of that tory landslide in back to you. >> well, chris, m e >> well, chris, what a what a poignant moment to end on then. four years ago today when it looked when the looked so different when the

polls different, when polls were so different, when the political makeup the the political makeup of the country felt so different. christopher hope there in westminster. absolutely. christopher hope there in wezstronger. absolutely. christopher hope there in wezstrong stuff absolutely. christopher hope there in wezstrong stuff from ;olutely. christopher hope there in wezstrong stuff from richard >> strong stuff from richard holden there. the chairman of the conservative party insist that single conservative that every single conservative mp back the government when mp must back the government when it comes to this. of course, he . it comes to this. of course, he. but will they? >> framing it in >> he was framing it in electoral terms as well. i suppose that's the frame through which things as which he views these things as chairman of the party, the chairman of the party, as the man responsible for the election campaign likely year. but campaign likely next year. but it is interesting that he started to bring forward this idea that if tory mps vote against it, they are likely to lose seats at the next election, which i suppose makes sense. on the one hand, in that disunited parties don't win elections, but on the other hand, if this bill passes and then fails in a way perhaps these it doesn't stop this in the way that things have been promised, then that's also an electoral issue. well, this is the conundrum for the

conservative party, isn't it? >> because infighting and >> because the infighting and the different groups meeting and deciding what they think about this flagship bill doesn't look good the election bit. but good to the election bit. but then if the bill doesn't actually work and there are actually work and if there are these loopholes that this star chamber, which is those lawyers that are working on behalf of these right wing groups of the tory party, if they're right and it work and it isn't the it doesn't work and it isn't the toughest immigration rules we've ever seen, then , you know, ever seen, then, you know, that's also could cost well, both these things could be true . both these things could be true. >> it could be true that it is both the toughest rules that we have ever seen. but there are still some loopholes. the word was in complete that the star chamber referred to. now, i suppose the big question is, can those, quote unquote loopholes be tightened up at committee stage in the spring, or is it just fundamentally a problem with the absolute basis of this bill as it is written? those are big questions. but it did seem that richard holden talking to christopher hope there, was

saying that actually the government is opening open to listening to what can be done at committee stage to perhaps tighten it up even further . tighten it up even further. >> well, that's interesting because yes , this bill is not because yes, this bill is not necessarily a finished product . necessarily a finished product. mps will have the opportunity to try and amend it as it goes through all those different stages through the commons. and then of course it goes to the lords, right? and then we shall see if it passes. and then what legal come about legal challenges come about after that. it's a long process to get legislation through parliament. yes as i think it should be. >> it's a weighty thing to legislate on behalf of people of a country, and it's one of the reasons actually i visited the hunganan reasons actually i visited the hungarian parliament not that long ago, and they have like the european parliament, they have little buttons for mps to vote. they press little buttons on their desks. and i think that this makes law. i think when this makes bad law. i think when legislators don't have the legislators don't have to in the uk to physically walk uk we have to physically walk through a voting lobby. have uk we have to physically walk th|vote| a voting lobby. have uk we have to physically walk th|vote with>ting lobby. have uk we have to physically walk th|vote with your lobby. have uk we have to physically walk th|vote with your feet, . have uk we have to physically walk th|vote with your feet, you have; to vote with your feet, you have to vote with your feet, you have to be present there and it takes

time. you're just pressing time. you're not just pressing a little on a desk. little button on a desk. >> also, it's a good thing because it encourages our politicians not to work from home. they home. there must come in. they must us. must come to us. >> but i think but i think that sense of this sort of weightiness your shoulders weightiness on your shoulders of especially you're if you're especially if you're if you're raising a tax restricting raising a tax or restricting a liberty something liberty or doing something profound that governments do. law profound and it should be law is profound and it should be a weighty process . yes. a weighty process. yes. >> what did you make of richard holden's what was saying holden's what he was saying there did sound to you too there? did he sound to you too passionate or a little bit desperate and concerned? i think that there was a little bit of both, wasn't there? he was definitely impassioned. he had an impassioned plea to his colleagues to vote with the government. but he also sounded a bit like maybe he he's a little bit like maybe he he's a little bit like maybe he he's a tad worried. >> well, he was speaking quite quickly, and quickly, wasn't he? and sometimes that can just be through absolute passion. but yes, perhaps i don't want i don't want to raise the p word panic . but don't want to raise the p word panic. but but don't want to raise the p word panic . but but perhaps that panic. but but perhaps that i mean i suppose when you get to a

crunch vote and this evening i don't think we can emphasise this enough is such a crunch vote for government at the vote for the government at the next seven or so hours of debate that are crucial really , really that are crucial really, really crucial. and we'll be going live to the commons when the home secretary stands up on his feet as well. that will be now be it's been delayed in the house of commons. going to start of commons. it's going to start at so in in less than half at 1240. so in in less than half an hour's time. but it is it is fascinating as well. we heard richard holden bring up these new attack lines against the labour party, of course, is running the election campaign for the conservative party and he will be bringing out these lines again, this £28 billion of borrowing which he has for the first time. i've heard this equated to a 5% rise on the bafic equated to a 5% rise on the basic rate of income tax. now that's not labour policy and the labour party would say you're you're inventing this stuff , but you're inventing this stuff, but the tories would say, well, if you're going to borrow £28 billion, you're going to have to pay billion, you're going to have to pay somehow. and one of pay for it somehow. and one of the you could for it the ways you could pay for it is raising tax. the basic

raising income tax. the basic rate by 5. >> and if you're just joining us now, think we will try and now, i think we will try and replay some of that interview because it was very interesting indeed the chairman indeed to hear from the chairman of conservative of the conservative party ahead of the conservative party ahead of vote, trying desperately of this vote, trying desperately to convince colleagues who to convince his colleagues who are thinking about voting are thinking about not voting with government do so. with the government to do so. instead because it doesn't take that many mps, does it, to vote against this bill, for it to collapse . the second reading, collapse. the second reading, you need 28 tories to vote against the bill or 56 to abstain. >> well , all abstain. >> well, all an asylum seeker has died on bibby stockholm barge that's docked in portland, dorset . dorset. >> the home office has said an ongoing investigation into the incident is underway. >> well, this was the labour leader, sir keir starmer's reaction to hearing the news just a short while ago . just a short while ago. >> i'm afraid ijust just a short while ago. >> i'm afraid i just simply >> i'm afraid ijust simply haven't seen this break ing news so i don't know the details of it. but obviously, first and foremost, my heart goes out to the family and friends of an

individual who may have or has lost their life. i don't know the circumstances, so i'll try and give a fuller answer when i do. but my human instinct is, of course , to with the individual course, to with the individual who's lost his or her life and the family and friends of that individual who will be absolutely grieving . absolutely grieving. >> yes, that was keir starmer being put on the spot. really with the breaking news that someone has died aboard the bibby stockholm home barge, which, of course, the barge itself has been hugely controversial and many problems on the barge, not least the legionella outbreak. not too long ago. i believe we have ray addison, who joins us now. thank you very much, ray. what do we know about what happened to this asylum seeker aboard the barge ? asylum seeker aboard the barge? >> well, details are starting to emerge very, very slowly. we know that the body of an asylum seeker was discovered. this morning by residents of the

bibby stockholm barge in portland in dorset. an ambulance and police responded to that discovery and have been taking underway there on the scene. and of course, the person's age and the country of origin are not yet known . and further details yet known. and further details of the incident and how they died are yet to be confirmed . died are yet to be confirmed. and you mentioned there the home office , they've responded saying office, they've responded saying that they are aware of reporting of the incident involving an asylum seeker. but as it's an ongoing police investigation, it would be inappropriate to comment further at this time. charity gis have been responding, however , to freedom responding, however, to freedom from torture, says until this government stops forcing refugees into unsafe and undignified accommodation, we'll continue to see horrific stories of deaths, suicide attempts , of deaths, suicide attempts, serious health issues and unnecessary suffering. care for calais is saying that the uk government has wilfully ignored the trauma that is caused by

inflicting people who are sent that they are inflicting on people who are sent to the bibby stockholm and that they have been regularly reporting suicidal intention among residents. at this stage we residents. now at this stage we don't know how that asylum seeker, the person on the barge, died . however, those two died. however, those two charities there seeming to imply that suicide may have been involved . of course, we cannot involved. of course, we cannot confirm that at this stage in the past , of course, confirm that at this stage in the past, of course, former home secretary suella braverman had insisted that the bibby stockholm barge was safe. that's despite it being beset by problems. of course, it was initially designed only to house 200 people that was modified guide to 500 and causing a lot of concern from the fire brigades union. they were saying that it was a potential death death trap. they said the access to fire exits and there was possible overcrowding as of last november, it was reported that there was around 70 people on

that barge . so certainly the that barge. so certainly the overcrowding doesn't appear to be the issue at this stage. however, we do know that legionnaires legionella bacteria was discovered in the water supply and all of the migrants that had previously moved to the barge in august were evacuated and it had then been empty for over two months before migrants finally moved back in october. and now, of course, with this with this news, it throws up a lot more questions about the safety and the conditions of those living on board the bibby stockholm and ray, just very quickly, of course, some people have been referring to this as as a prison vessel. >> of course, that's not the case. these asylum seekers are able to come and go . it's just a able to come and go. it's just a form of accommodation that they're staying in. >> so it's accommodation. i think it's important to recognise it was designed for 200 people initially and that

was increased dramatically, although of course the those currently on the barge was way below that , that 200 threshold, below that, that 200 threshold, which was initially intended . which was initially intended. asylum seekers who were on board the barge are certainly allowed to come and go. there are also no facilities on board. the barge for them as well. leisure facilities too. and there was various community groups as well, certainly making efforts to help those that are housed on the barge feel part of that community and even going so far as to issue them with with welcome packs and providing help hotlines for them to call as well. so it's unknown the cause of this person's death at this stage. >> thank you very much indeed, ray addison, our reporter there on the sad death reported death of an asylum seeker on board the bibby stockholm barge . ray, bibby stockholm barge. ray, please bring us more as you get it. but coming up, killer nurse lucy letby could be stripped of

her nursing status following her horrific crimes . while you'd horrific crimes. while you'd assume as much, would you not? >> you would that. and also, of course, the debate in parliament on rwanda kicking off in the next 20 or minutes. we'll next 20 or so minutes. we'll have the latest after this .

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six till 930. good afternoon, britain . the good afternoon, britain. the killer nurse, lucy letby could be stripped of her nursing status following her horrific crimes . crimes. >> a two day hearing of the nursing and midwifery council starts today , and a panel could starts today, and a panel could decide to permanently strike the 33 year old off the register and remove her nursing credentials. letby does not oppose a bid to strike her from the nursing register, but maintains her innocence respect of her innocence in respect of her convictions. sophie reaper has more. the most prolific serial killer of children in modern british history. four months ago, lucy letby was found guilty of seven counts of murder and seven counts of attempted murder i >> whilst she was working on the neonatal unit at the countess of chester hospital . chester hospital. >> while she carried out her killing spree . a jury at killing spree. a jury at manchester crown court spent ten months hearing about the case, including details of how letby carried out her attacks and seeing evidence which ultimately

led to 40 seen guilty verdicts in recognition of this just es. goss sentenced the former nurse to a whole life order, meaning she would spend the rest of her life behind bars. but the end of the trial did not mean the end of the story. i will do all i to can make sure that no one else suffers as they have . a suffers as they have. a statutory inquiry as well as a corporate manslaughter investigation into the countess of chester are now underway . in of chester are now underway. in september, letby legal team also launched an application to make an appeal against her convictions, not to mention cheshire constabulary's continued investigation into further potential incidents . further potential incidents. >> we've got a duty to the people of cheshire and beyond to make sure that we investigate every single admission into the neonatal unit during the period of time that lucy letby has been employed either at the countess of chester hospital or the

liverpool women's hospital to make sure that we can identify any other potential allegations or potential offences that may have been committed by her. >> today, a two day hearing will take place led by the nursing and midwifery council, to determine whether or not lucy letby should be stripped of her nursing credentials. commenting at the time of the guilty verdicts , the nmc chief verdicts, the nmc chief executive , andrea sutcliffe, executive, andrea sutcliffe, said this has been a long complex criminal investigation. we've kept in close contact with the police and the trust throughout and will continue to do so . ms letby remains do so. ms letby remains suspended from our register and we will now move forward with our regulatory action seeking to strike her off the register for letby. if this goes ahead, regardless of the outcome of appeals and further investigations, she would no longer be considered a nurse . longer be considered a nurse. sophie reaper. gb news. now this

is quite incredible , isn't it, is quite incredible, isn't it, tom? because this is a woman who's been sentenced to a whole life order in prison for murdering seven babies. i believe it was . and the believe it was. and the attempted murder of further babies, you would have thought that this would just be automatically automatic. that she would no longer be on this nursing registry. i mean, it's understandable if someone's charged, but not convicted, that they'd still be on the register. >> but if they if they're convicted, if a if a court of law has found them guilty to be guilty of what they have done , guilty of what they have done, then even if they still maintain their innocence, the court has found them guilty . and surely found them guilty. and surely that should have all somatic repercussions. but i suppose what what the other arguments that is, does it matter if she's if she's in prison, she's never going to work as a nurse again. she's serving under a whole life order. this this this sort of

administrative change isn't a real world effect . real world effect. >> well, no, it's not. but i'm just i find it remarkable that they're going through this rather long process in order to strip her of her of her qualifications very odd indeed. but we'll find out. qualifications very odd indeed. but we'll find out . that was but we'll find out. that was very interesting from sophie reaper there. >> and i suppose it is important for the i suppose , closure for for the i suppose, closure for families and symbolically, i suppose , doing this, even though suppose, doing this, even though even though it's not a sort of real world thing, it's not that this decision would put more people at risk or otherwise is it's about whether this person should have a recognition of status. >> but you would have thought that being a nurse who killed well convicted of killing seven babies, that would rule out your nursing qualifications. but there you go. let us know what you think. vaiews@gbnews.uk >> com well, in other news, campaigners are bringing a new legal battle against a decision to approve a controversial road project act, which includes a tunnel near the prehistoric

monument of stonehenge. we'll have much more on that after your headlines with tatiana . your headlines with tatiana. >> tom, thank you. your top stories from the gb newsroom . stories from the gb newsroom. the home office has confirmed an asylum seeker on board the bibby stockholm barge has died. the first asylum seekers were brought back to the vessel docked in dorset in october around two months after it was evacuated following the discovery of legionella bacteria in the water supply . according in the water supply. according to media reports , police and to media reports, police and ambulance service services arrived at the scene after the body was found this morning . body was found this morning. rishi sunak has told mps he'll listen to suggestions for tightening the safety of the rwanda bill, but he will not commit to any amendments. warning the following contains flashing images. the prime minister is fighting for his political future as he attempts to persuade a group of rebel tory mps to back the legislation ahead a key vote. right wing

ahead of a key vote. right wing conservative will meet this evening to make a final decision on whether to vote against the safety of the bill or to abstain on. while some tory mps have given their support, they've warned against any attempts to harden measures . as labour harden the measures. as labour leader keir starmer accused leader sir keir starmer accused the tory of being too the tory party of being too self—involved to govern . three self—involved to govern. three men have died and two others suffered life threatening injuries after a collision between a bus and a car. the incident happened at 7:00 last night in cordele in wales. two young men, aged 18 and one aged 19, were declared dead at the scene . fire control staff will scene. fire control staff will stage a series of strikes after christmas in their staffing dispute. members of the fire brigades union on merseyside will walk out for eight consecutive days from december the 27th. they voted in august to take the action opposing claims of a reduction in night staff in the introduction of a duty shift system . the union duty shift system. the union says it didn't agree to schools

awaiting an ofsted inspection can now defer the visit until after the new year and all requests will be granted . it requests will be granted. it comes after the result of the coroner's report into the death of headteacher ruth perry, whose family say she took her own life when her school was downgraded from its highest rating to its lowest over safeguarding concerns. two school leaders, unions say , simply granting unions say, simply granting inspection deferrals to schools at the end of term does not go far enough . you can get more on far enough. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gb news wgrz.com . our website, gb news wgrz.com. >> the rwanda debate has started. james cleverly is on his feet. let's listen in. >> france with bulgaria , with >> france with bulgaria, with turkey, italy, georgia and ethiopia . 50 hotels are being

ethiopia. 50 hotels are being returned to the local communities and the initial asylum backlog will, which stood at 92,000, is now . under 20,000. at 92,000, is now. under 20,000. and we have sent back . 22,000 and we have sent back. 22,000 and illegal migrants and the uk's arrangement with albania proves proves the deterrence work. last year. not just yet. >> not just yet. i've just started last year, a third of all those arrived in small boats to the coast of this country were albanian. >> this year we have returned 5000 albanians and a rival from that country are . down by 90. that country are. down by 90. nine zero 0. but in recent years, some of the government's efforts to tackle illegal migration and deport foreign national offenders have been frustrated by a seemingly endless cycle of legal

challenges and rulings from domestic and foreign courts. of course , just momentarily, of course, just momentarily, of course, just momentarily, of course , is, of course, this course, is, of course, this government respects court judgements, even when we disagree with them . but disagree with them. but parliament and the british people want an end to illegal immigration and they support the rwanda plan. >> yes, i'm very grateful to the home secretary for giving way , home secretary for giving way, but he's he's pointed to deterrence and he's often used the australian model of offshoring detention centres as a gold standard. >> what are his comments then? the fact that australia has recently shut down their offshore centre because of the high fines , social and human high fines, social and human costs ? costs? >> home secretary the honourable lady raises the case of australia. their illegal migration by boats 55,000. they had trended pretty much . down to

had trended pretty much. down to zero deterrent works . deterrence zero deterrent works. deterrence work was worked . work was worked. >> i thank my right honourable , >> i thank my right honourable, my right honourable friend i'm sure will agree that the british are world champions at queuing. >> we don't like queue jumpers, which is why illegal immigration grates with us. can i can he confirm that the government will take all steps to ensure that we will remain within international law, just not now, but going forward ? in which case i will forward? in which case i will certainly be supporting the bill tonight. but can he also does he also agree with me that some colleagues in this place need to be careful what they wish for? >> yeah. yeah. >> yeah. yeah. >> well, secretary, so i am confident and indeed the conversations that i have had with the government's legal advisers reinforce my belief that the actions that we are taking whilst novel whilst very much pushing at the edge of the envelope, are within in the framework of international law. and that is important that is

important because as the uk is a country that demonstrates the whole world, the importance of international law, we champion that on the world stage and is important that we demonstrate. i'm going to make further progress. i'm going to make further progress . judges, of further progress. judges, of course, play an important role , course, play an important role, but they are not policy makers . but they are not policy makers. they should not be policy makers . and so when the courts find a particular formulation of policy unlawful, it is the job of politicians to listen to their views, respect their views and find a solution . i will make find a solution. i will make further progress thanks to the efforts on the part of the uk government and the government of rwanda . that is exactly what we rwanda. that is exactly what we have done in response to the verdict from the supreme court. the new a the new treaty that i signed last week with rwanda and

the bill that accompanies it are game changing. the principle of relocating people to a safe country, to have their asylum claim processed. there is entirely consistent with the terms of the refugee convention, both the high court and the court of appeal. you unanimously, unanimously confirmed this point . i'm very confirmed this point. i'm very grateful to my right honourable friend. he was an excellent foreign secretary , so he will foreign secretary, so he will know the extraordinary tensions that exist between the democratic republic of congo and rwanda . rwanda. >> the democratic republic of congo accuses rwanda of sponsored the m23 terrorist, organised mission, which is violating congolese women and killing congolese soldiers. the congolese president has named the rwandan president as a hitler like figure. this week.

what is his response to the concerns of our congolese friends in this regard ? friends in this regard? >> early my formal role in my formal role, i had extensive conversations with both the government of the democratic repubuc government of the democratic republic of the congo and rwanda. we do not agree with that assessment of the government of rwanda and more importantly, more importantly , importantly, more importantly, other international organisations. nations also rely heavily on rwanda. the un, hcr, the european union . these are the european union. these are organisations which rely heavily on rwanda. they would not do that. they would not do that if they believed rwanda was an unsafe country. i do intend to make i do intend to make further progress as the second , the progress as the second, the second reading debate. there will be plenty of opportunity for colleagues to speak obe can ithank for colleagues to speak obe can i thank the minister for giving way? >> minister, just yesterday i received correspondence which i need to quote eu council

directive 2005 85 ec as caught by article two of the protocol. >> therefore , more can be relied >> therefore, more can be relied uponin >> therefore, more can be relied upon in northern ireland, but not in the gb in relation to the rwanda bill coming forward, article seven confers the right to remain in the territory. >> whilst a claim is being processed. this clearly creates additional rights in the ni, which does not apply in gb and expressly frustrates the core intent of the rwanda bill for applying in northern ireland. has the minister had the opportunity to look to that ? opportunity to look to that? >> home secretary ? >> home secretary? >> home secretary? >> the point he makes about differential treatment in differential treatment in different parts of the united kingdom is one that we are conscious of as the bill progresses, of course he will have and others will have the opportunity to raise concerns about specific details . and we about specific details. and we will, of course, listen to his and the concerns of others. this bill attempts this and this bill, when passed , it will bill, when passed, it will address the practical implications. at the moment, the

challenges of numbers of refugees in northern ireland is not one that is as significant as in other parts of the uk, but we're always conscious to make sure that all parts of the uk and he has heard me say this before , that all parts of the uk before, that all parts of the uk are and feel that they are in the thinking of the government as we move forward. i'm going to make i am going to make further progress. i am going to make further progress as i say, the principle of relocating people to a safe country to have their asylum claims processed is entirely consistent. and as i say, the court and the say, the high court and the court of appeal unanimously, unanimously confirm this and the supreme court. in their findings three weeks ago, did not dispute those findings. i will give way. and then i i'm extremely grateful to my right honourable friend. >> does he agree that it is clear in international law and also in relation to the question

of the rule of law , that where of the rule of law, that where in this country, with our unwritten constitution in a clear and unambiguous use of words , clearly establishing the words, clearly establishing the intention of parliament in the enactment of a law does in fact take press evidence over international law in accordance with the judgements of lord hoffmann and also no other judgements and statements made by lord judge, lord denning and other very distinguished jurists, including in relation to this particular particular judgement. last month in paragraph 144, secretary , my paragraph 144, secretary, my honourable and learned friend makes the important point and he is right that when the wording of a bill is clear and unambiguous, where there is a deeming clause. >> that's right that that is thatis >> that's right that that is that is the express will of the parliament that parliament is sovereign and that must be that

thinking must be adhered to through the legal process . so he through the legal process. so he is he is right on that. through the legal process. so he is he is right on that . i'm is he is right on that. i'm going to i am going to make i am going to i am going to make i am going to i am going to make i am going to make progress. i am going to make progress. i am going to make progress. i am going to make progress. a few weeks ago , the supreme court weeks ago, the supreme court upheld of the upheld the judgement of the court meaning we court of appeal, meaning that we cannot lawfully remove cannot yet lawfully remove people to rwanda . this is people to rwanda. this is because of concerns that they expressed that relocated individuals might be refused . individuals might be refused. and i'm sure the house knows, but that is that they might be re deported to a third country. the government disagreed with that verdict . but as i said, we that verdict. but as i said, we received expect the verdict and there we have james cleverly, there we have james cleverly, the home secretary opening that debate. >> he's just going into the arguments about refoulement now, which we know the bill says will not happen as the new treaty that's signed with rwanda has guaranteed it. interestingly the prime minister, rishi sunak,

walked into that statement a couple of minutes in, sat down right next to the home secretary expressing his support for this to a real crunch . a few hours to a real crunch. a few hours now in parliament. >> yes, this debate will be going on throughout the afternoon, into the evening before that vote. so we'll keep you updated on everything that's going in the commons. but going on in the commons. but we're going to cross now our we're going to cross now to our political editor, christopher hope, who joins us from westminster . christopher, thank westminster. christopher, thank you for joining westminster. christopher, thank you forjoining us. what have you for joining us. what have you for joining us. what have you got for us? well i'll struck by that exchange there between sir bill cash and james cleverly now, sir, bill cash is the chairman the star chamber chairman of the star chamber group of tory mps, the lawyers who've been over the who've been going over the detail for the so—called five families of the right of the party, the european research group, new conservatives and others, and the exchange . others, and the exchange. >> fascinating. >> just fascinating. fascinating, cash fascinating, sir. bill cash said, right that a clear said, is it right that a clear and unambiguous use of words can take precedence over international law and cleverly agrees ? and i wonder whether agrees? and i wonder whether this idea of hardening language in which is was in the bill, which is what was

told us richard holden, the told us by richard holden, the chairman the party midday chairman of the party at midday on this channel is that's what they to be explicit they mean to be more explicit about bill means. they mean to be more explicit about bill means . and about what this bill means. and that might be enough to get some rebels over the line. i wonder if that idea of hardening language is cleverly was language is what cleverly was saying just then. just scroll saying just then. just to scroll back there, what we're seeing now crucial . seven hours of now is a crucial. seven hours of debate in the house of commons as the party, the tory party, tries to find a way through this. this issue with the rwanda bill, whether it can actually make flights take off. for me, though, i've been thinking about this quite in detail recently . this quite in detail recently. see, the problem almost goes back to the pm. mr sunak. he said to stop the boats said he wanted to stop the boats . we've asked repeatedly in meetings with the pm and his team what to stop the boats mean. they say it means stop the boats. and if that's the if that's the challenge , then for that's the challenge, then for the right of the party, the only answer is to pull out of the echr because keir starmer was asked the radio today, he asked on the radio today, he couldn't if you're

couldn't say that if you're going have this absolutist going to have this absolutist position on ending illegal migration, then therefore an answer might need to be as absolute as that and not go absolute as as that and not go halfway and allow for halfway house and allow for individual challenges, which is what this bill does. and what this this bill does. and i think wonder whether he's made think i wonder whether he's made a own backs. tom and a rod for his own backs. tom and emily and yet what chris hope sorry, what james cleverly was saying there, chris, was that that it saying there, chris, was that thatitis saying there, chris, was that that it is it is okay. >> it is constitutional in this country under our unwritten constitution for parliament to assert its own will, even if that's in contravention to some sort of international agreement. dare i say it, even if that's in contravention to the echr we saw france do that just last week with regard to the deportation or otherwise of its people in contravention to the echr. could it not be the case that the uk doesn't have to leave the echr it can just simply say on this area we're not going to listen .

area we're not going to listen. >> that certainly appears to be the position of bill cash . who the position of bill cash. who is who is the kind of great mind behind all this and that may be where it's going and may be some hardening of language on the fact that parliament is sovereign that's the sovereign on this. that's the nature our unwritten nature of our unwritten constitution. that be constitution. will that be enough ? we don't know. there's enough? we don't know. there's a big meeting at 515 today of the so—called five families of the tory right wing of the party, the erg new conservative gives northern research group, common sense group . and one more whose sense group. and one more whose name i forgot erg . they're name i forgot erg. they're meeting at 515 and they will then determine how to vote only 2829 tory mps to vote against the sink it. i have been told on good authority labour are likely then to submit a motion of no confidence tomorrow in the government. if the government loses will have an loses that we will have an election in january. that's unlikely because it's likely that tory will support the that tory mps will support the government, but the party will look and more damaged in look more and more damaged in the eyes of the electorate. there's if there's a chance here if the tory party do something to

tory party to do something to reverse lead because reverse labour's lead because they an idea on they have got an idea on immigration in different to what labour got. labour's idea immigration in different to what lab0|no got. labour's idea immigration in different to what lab0|no further. labour's idea immigration in different to what lab0|no further than our's idea immigration in different to what lab0|no further than the; idea immigration in different to what lab0|no further than the tories goes no further than the tories idea on enforcement. if idea on on enforcement. if rwanda works and labour are pledged to reverse rwanda, if they win power, if rwanda works, it will be something with which to beat labour with at the next election and that's the that's the prize at stake if the the prize at stake here. if the tory party >> just one quick thing for you, chris. we're seeing reports that graham stuart , the energy graham stuart, the energy minister, is now being told to fly back from dubai, 3000 miles in time for the vote tonight . is in time for the vote tonight. is that because the government is worried about losing ? well yes, worried about losing? well yes, if that is confirmed by number 10 in the morning lobby meeting, that, of course, i think cop 28, which i was lucky enough to go to two weeks ago for gb news viewers at actually was meant to close yesterday as ever though cop 28. >> it goes over to try and generate a degree of jeopardy and to force overtired and

exhausted diplomats to agree to get a deal on emissions. now all 198 or so countries there have to all agree. so we need to have graham stuart in cop in dubai, but he's been flown back and that's an indication of the tightness of the vote. we're flying back a minister just this flying back a ministerjust this vote. he'll be back in cop tomorrow. it's very, very tense and in westminster. and very tight in westminster. tom and emily and trip tom and emily and round trip flying was that round trip over 6000 miles there and back to the climate conference. >> extra ordinary. >> extra ordinary. >> not panicking at all. thank thank you very much christopher hope , our political editor from hope, our political editor from westminster . now we will hope, our political editor from westminster. now we will bring you the very latest from this crunch debate that's in the house of commons at the moment. as get it. but moving on, yes as we get it. but moving on, yes , an emergency budget meeting has in the has taken place in the birmingham in birmingham, with the setting out the city council setting out a credible plan for addressing a £300 million budget gap over the next two years. yes, rises in council tax selling off council owned assets and redundancies

are all under consideration to tackle the extremely, extremely serious and challenging city operation. >> well, joining us now with the update is our west midlands reporter jack carson . and, jack, reporter jack carson. and, jack, it looks like you've got a guest. what do you have for us? yeah good afternoon to you both. >> so, of course, the latest financial report into the state of the finances of birmingham city council and how are they how are they trying to get a grip of the city council finances and that bankruptcy was published a few days ago. it's been had been presented to the cabinet meeting today and as we understand it, endorsed by the cabinet with its recommendations. i'm here with the of the opposition on the leader of the opposition on birmingham the leader of the opposition on birmingha robert alden from the councillor robert alden from the birmingham local conservatives . birmingham local conservatives. robert, you know, tell me what you really took away from that from that cabinet meeting today. is financial report the is that financial report on the state council's finances state of the council's finances was presented to it ? was presented to it? >> well, it's an unprecedented situation that labour administration here in birmingham found themselves birmingham have found themselves in. reserves

in. they got a negative reserves position of —678 million. they've got to make 300 million worth of savings, yet have only identified half of identified less than half of them. and now they've admitted they're setting they're going to be setting a deficit budget next year and want to capitalise that expenditure than paying expenditure rather than paying it through the revenue budget. what people what that means to people at home it's equivalent you home is it's the equivalent you taking out a loan to pay your mortgage. this is no way to run an going an organisation and it's going to residents suffer to mean that residents suffer more in the long run. >> yes, you mentioned some of the that already the savings that they've already managed they managed to calculate. they reckon around £150 million reckon it's around £150 million worth. £72.8 million of that worth. now £72.8 million of that is says says it's on service is says it says it's on service services reduction. i mean, do you have any of an you have any more of an indication about what services they're looking to cut? because there for the there seems to be for the residents here, that ambiguity of they might then of actually what they might then be this looks be losing as this council looks to cut budget? this to cut its budget? well this is one really concerning things. one of really concerning things. >> no openness and >> there's just no openness and transparency from the administration when you've got a labour saying labour group here who saying they're to be saving up to they're going to be saving up to 300 million over next two 300 million over the next two years they won't tell years and yet they won't tell residents services are residents what services are going. it their bin

going. is it their bin collections are is it collections are going? is it street cleansing, is it adult social care support? there's street cleansing, is it adult sociynozare support? there's street cleansing, is it adult sociyno openness rt? there's street cleansing, is it adult sociyno openness aboutzre's street cleansing, is it adult sociyno openness about where just no openness about where these are going fall. these savings are going to fall. i mean, labour and this administration are administration say that they are focussed the job. focussed on the job. >> say they are being >> they say they are being transparent at every possible chance. and of course we're trying consult residents. you trying to consult residents. you know, they are know, do you feel that they are they you know, committing they are, you know, committing to you they're to they are you know, they're showing do you showing that commitment. do you think that they you know, think that they are, you know, doing residents this city doing the residents of this city a well, words cheap. and >> well, words are cheap. and sadly, the labour administration are they're not are showing they're not following from following through with that from whether commissioners whether it's the commissioners highlighting the lack of work on the over the summer, the budget over the summer, which why the council which is partly why the council is mess of not being is now in this mess of not being able to balance year's able to balance next year's books or the openness not being shown by being with shown here by being honest with residents services residents about where services are or indeed even are going to fall or indeed even how planning to put how much they're planning to put up council tax. all they've admitted that asking admitted is that they're asking the up more. the government to put up more. they've said how they've not said how much they're for. they're asking for. >> robert alden, >> councillor robert alden, thank you very much joining thank you very much for joining us this afternoon for that thank you very much for joining us on 1is afternoon for that thank you very much for joining us on the ifternoon for that thank you very much for joining us on the council'sfor that thank you very much for joining us on the council's worries. latest on the council's worries. >> there a very >> thank you. there in a very sticky situation, it seems not

>> thank you. there in a very stickyfor uation, it seems not >> thank you. there in a very stickyfor birmingham ems not >> thank you. there in a very stickyfor birmingham residents. good for birmingham residents. no coming up, latest from no coming up, the latest from the commons as the home secretary what calls secretary sets out what he calls clear unambiguous clear and unambiguous legislation rwanda bill. legislation on the rwanda bill. see you looks like things see you soon. looks like things are heating up. >> spoilers, sponsors of >> box spoilers, sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello again. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office for some northwestern areas, it will turn dner northwestern areas, it will turn drier and clearer throughout the night and it could be a bit of a frosty start, but there will be some further rain to come further east as this low pressure moves east across the country, dragging with some country, dragging with it some of well. so that will of fronts as well. so that will continue some heavy continue to bring some heavy rain to northeastern areas of england. rain should slowly england. the rain should slowly start more eastern start to clear more eastern areas scotland, will areas of scotland, but will continue heavy continue to see some heavy showers into evening. but showers into the evening. but things do tend to dry out things to do tend to dry out from the north—west overnight. so we'll see some clear spells developing across much of scotland well as parts of scotland as well as parts of northern ireland. so we could see frost by tomorrow see a touch of frost by tomorrow morning. further though, morning. further east, though, that cloud will sink that rain and cloud will sink into parts of east anglia and

parts of kent and sussex as well, bringing quite lot of well, bringing quite a lot of cloud tomorrow morning. so cloud by tomorrow morning. so it'll of a dull start it'll be a bit of a dull start to the day. we'll also see some rain moving into these eastern areas mid—morning areas through mid—morning as well. north and west, well. further north and west, though, dry and bright day, though, a dry and bright day, a much better day than today with some lived sunshine some long lived sunshine throughout the day, though, temperatures still be a temperatures will still be a little bit on the cooler side after a slightly colder start to the day through thursday. we'll see next batch of rain push see the next batch of rain push eastwards , but it will tend to eastwards, but it will tend to fizzle out as it does move into more eastern areas. so although cloud will thicken, the rain will be much more limited. that's pressure is that's because pressure is building by the end of the week. so that means we'll see more in the of drier weather by the the way of drier weather by the end of the week. and the weekend and rising day and temperatures rising by day and temperatures rising by day ancthat warm feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt as sponsors of boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> good afternoon britain. it is 1:00 on tuesday, the 12th of december. coming up, rwanda reckoning the home secretary james cleverly says that the rwanda bill is game changing as he opens the crunch debate in the commons. >> but will he be able to persuade enough mps ahead of the crucial vote this evening? mps are even flying around the world to make it back in time. >> migrant dies on bibby

stockholm barge early reports from the ceo of the charity care for calais have suggested the asylum seeker took his own life on board. we'll bring you more detail as we get it. >> and bankrupt birmingham . the >> and bankrupt birmingham. the people of birmingham have been threatened with a huge council tax rise and reduced services in the new year. but is your council at risk of bankruptcy . to now? >> there was one question asked by sir bill cash which struck a chord. >> absolutely . and of course, >> absolutely. and of course, bill cash of that star chamber of lawyers, a distinguished legal brain himself, referring to the judgements that have been made by legal scholars in the past about what takes precedence. national or international law , and what bill international law, and what bill cash was saying when an act of

parliament is clear and unambiguous in its intention , unambiguous in its intention, then the courts must take that act of the british parliament as being in precedence above that of international law, of international treaties. >> so , tom, does that mean that >> so, tom, does that mean that this bill will do the job that the government says it will in the government says it will in the view of the government, but, of course, bill cash comes from that star chamber that said there are holes in the bill with regard to individual circumstances is so, so, so ultimately is ultimately what this means is that the bill will not be struck down. >> the bill itself will deem rwanda a safe country. courts will have to abide by the idea that rwanda is a safe country . that rwanda is a safe country. the quibble that bill cash had that he didn't raise in that question, but has raised in previous days, is that even though the country as a whole will be deemed safe, some individuals will be still making complaints and through individual circumstances, may be able to avoid it. however, there's some very interesting

wording in the bill which will get to a bit later about why thatis get to a bit later about why that is a very tightly written section. we've been doing a deep dive into the legislation to find those potential holes holes. >> but let us know, would you back the bill if you were a conservative mp would you choose to back the bill or indeed a labour mp or whatever other party would labour mp or whatever other part back would labour mp or whatever other partback it? would labour mp or whatever other part back it? do would labour mp or whatever other partback it? do you would labour mp or whatever other partback it? do you thinkyuld labour mp or whatever other partback it? do you think it.d you back it? do you think it will work? vaiews@gbnews.com. let know . but first it's your let us know. but first it's your headunes let us know. but first it's your headlines with tatiana . headlines with tatiana. >> emily thank you. your top stories from the newsroom. the home secretary says parliament and the british people support the rwanda plan. james cleverly is addressing the commons as a debate on the second reading of the safety of rwanda. bill begins . in the safety of rwanda. bill begins. in his opening statement, he confirmed a migrant has died aboard the bibby stockholm barge. the home secretary then moved on to tout the government's success on small boat crossings . small boat crossings. >> judges, of course, play an

important role , but they are not important role, but they are not policy makers . they should not policy makers. they should not be policy makers . and so when be policy makers. and so when the courts find a particular formulation of policy unlawful, it is the job of politicians to listen to their views and respect their views and find a solution . then i will make solution. then i will make further progress. thanks to the efforts on the part of the uk government and the government of rwanda. that is exactly what we have done in response to the verdict from the supreme court . verdict from the supreme court. >> as you've heard, the home office confirmed the death of an asylum seeker on board the bibby stockholm barge, the first asylum seekers were brought back to the vessel docked in dorset in october, around two months after it was evacuated following the discovery of legionella bacteria in the water supply . bacteria in the water supply. according to media reports, police and ambulance services arrived at the scene after the

body was found. this morning . body was found. this morning. the prime minister is fighting for his political future as he attempts to persuade a group of rebel tory mps to back the rwanda legislation ahead of a key vote right wing conservatives will meet this evening to make a final decision on whether to vote against the safety of rwanda bill or to abstain. while some tory mps have given their support , have given their support, they've warned against any attempts harden measures . attempts to harden the measures. labour leader sir keir starmer accused the tory party of being too self—involved to govern, adding that he thinks the legislation would pass at a second reading. we're all stuck in their psychodrama . in their psychodrama. >> we're all being dragged down to their level and that's what they just don't understand . they just don't understand. while they're swanning around self—importantly with their factions and their style chambers fighting like rats in a sack. there's a country out here that isn't being governed and a country that needs leadership .

country that needs leadership. >> three men have died and two others suffered life threatening injuries after a collision between a bus and a car. the incident happened at 7:00 last night in kidwelly in wales. two young men, aged 18 and one aged 19, were declared dead at the scene . fire control staff will scene. fire control staff will stage a series of strikes after christmas in their staffing dispute. members of the fire brigades union on merseyside will walk out for eight consecutive days from the 27th of december. they voted in august to take the action opposing claims of a reduction in night staff and the introduction of a duty shift system that the union says it never agreed to. schools awaiting an ofsted inspection can now defer the visit until after the new year and all requests will be granted. it comes after the result of the coroner's report into the death of headteacher ruth perry, whose family say she took her own life when her school was downgraded

from its highest rating to its lowest over safeguarding concerns. two school leaders union say simply granting inspection deferrals to schools at the end of term does not go far enough . child killer lucy far enough. child killer lucy letby does not object to being stripped of her nursing credentials. a court has heard the two day hearing will decide if letby should be removed from the register. letby filled out a form where she was asked if she accepts the nursing and midwifery council's charges. she said i accept the fact of the convictions and i maintain my innocence in respect of all the convictions in august. the 33 year old was sentenced to 14 whole life orders after she was convicted of the murders of seven babies and the attempted murders of six others . the pace murders of six others. the pace of wage growth has eased back by more than expected , whilst uk more than expected, whilst uk unemployment remains unchanged , unemployment remains unchanged, said the office for national statistics says wages rose by 7.3% in the three months to

october, which is down from 7.8% in the previous three months. this was the steepest fall in earnings growth since the three months to november 2021. chancellor jeremy months to november 2021. chancellorjeremy hunt said it's positive to see inflation continue to fall and real wages growing in. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to tom and . news. now back to tom and. emily >> good afternoon, britain. it's just coming up to 1:08 and speaking in the last half of an hourin speaking in the last half of an hour in the house of commons, the home secretary, james cleverly , has defended the cleverly, has defended the government's renewed attempts at its rwanda plan . its rwanda plan. >> judges of course, play an important role , but they are not important role, but they are not policy makers. they should not be policy makers . and so when be policy makers. and so when the courts find a particular formulation of policy unlawful , formulation of policy unlawful, it is the job of politicians is

to listen to their views, respect their views and find a solution . i will make further solution. i will make further progress thanks to the efforts on the part of the uk government and the government of rwanda. thatis and the government of rwanda. that is exactly what we have donein that is exactly what we have done in response to the verdict from the supreme court . from the supreme court. >> this comes as the prime minister tries to avert a damaging rebellion by right wing tory mps over his rwanda plan ahead of a crunch vote tonight. >> yes, both the flagship scheme and arguably sunak's premiership depend on the outcome of tonight's key vote. >> our political editor christopher hope is in westminster for us. christopher can you bring us the latest ? can can you bring us the latest? can you bring us the latest ? you bring us the latest? >> well, we've heard, haven't we, there from james cleverly. i think you mean talking on air there, tom and emily, about the exchange there with bill cash, the government making clear to

this leader of the kind of so—called families, so—called five families, a grouping tory mps who are grouping of tory mps who are very concerned about the rwanda bill, to them bill, making very clear to them that parliament does is sovereign and can overrule other courts and the comment by bill cash , quoting previous senior cash, quoting previous senior judges seem to support that . i judges seem to support that. i wonder whether that's where we're going , possibly with we're going, possibly with hardening up the language in this bill as it goes towards and it should probably pass tonight is the hope the government have anyway . and clearly they're anyway. and clearly they're saying get it through, saying if you do get it through, we try harden the we will then try and harden the language the at the amendment language at the at the amendment stage . earlier, i spoke to the stage. earlier, i spoke to the party chairman, richard holden. he had this to say about what the government might do to win round the rebels. >> any tory mp should be backing the principle of tougher immigration is immigration controls, which is exactly what's on the table today. there's obviously further detail and there's the government's clear if government's made clear if there's that can be there's any tweaks that can be made to toughen it up further, then they're open discussions made to toughen it up further, thethat.y're open discussions made to toughen it up further, thethat. but open discussions made to toughen it up further, thethat. but we've discussions made to toughen it up further, thethat. but we've got scussions made to toughen it up further, thethat. but we've got torssions made to toughen it up further, thethat. but we've got to be ons on that. but we've got to be there really strong on the principle tougher rules .

principle of tougher rules. >> so the key word there open to discussions and toughening up that clearly is the offer being made right now by the whips to those on the right of the party. the left that are sorted out, the one nation caucus said last night they will support this bill, but it's a very tight landing strip. we're hearing from sources to james from sources close to james cleverly right, cleverly to get this right, because too if because if they go too far, if they harden even further away they harden it even further away from the left wing of the party, the will lose support for the left will lose support for it. very difficult it. so it's a very difficult place the to in right place for the pm to be in right now. those five groupings of tory mps are meeting 515 in tory mps are meeting at 515 in portcullis house, the offices next to parliament to next door to parliament to decide what to do. they'll due to end that meeting around six, five, six and process straight to chamber and decide to how to the chamber and decide to how vote. only needs 29 tory mps vote. it only needs 29 tory mps to vote to against defeat the government and probably prompt a no confidence vote in the government tomorrow government by labour tomorrow around . 56 or 60 or so people. around. 56 or 60 or so people. if the tories don't, if they abstain, if enough tories abstain, if enough tories abstain from it, that would be enough to. so it's very, very

tense. does very much tense. it does feel very much like the brexit wars, the brexit team. we've got ministers being flown back from around the world. graham stuart, the cop28 minister, flown back just as he's trying to agree a deal at that cop summit in dubai. he's on a plane back with a huge burning energy and a very loads of racking up the air miles just to get the government out of a sticky situation. i mean, it looks awful. it is awful . we are looks awful. it is awful. we are four years since this party won a landslide . it doesn't feel a landslide. it doesn't feel like it, does it, chris, when governments try and bus in mps, whether it's the 1970s and mps turn up in ambulance buses and are wheeled through in wheelchairs just to get those votes in or mps have to return cut short trips, travel around the world like we saw in the dying days of the theresa may administration as well. >> those were times when the government didn't have a majority. those were times when parliament sat on a knife edge, when, when, when things today

the government has a notional majority of 56 in the house of commons. how on earth has it got to this stage? >> it's because the tory party is a coalition of different groupings and not having have a lot in common, apart from an idea of cutting taxes as being and being tough on law and order and being tough on law and order and maybe immigration. but how you get there is disputed by the different groupings. boris johnson held that together. he created he created this coalition of interest to create the built this majority back in 2019. he's now gone and poor old rishi sunak is trying to hold it together, i think. i mean , mr together, i think. i mean, mr sunakis together, i think. i mean, mr sunak is a decent man and i think someone who is doing his best as prime minister i wonder whether he has the political skill to hold this together . skill to hold this together. it's not easy and he you know, he needs some help and support from the team around him. and it's challenging. but he met with those new conservative grouping today for their bacon butties and coffee in downing street at eight eight this

morning . i gather not many minds morning. i gather not many minds were changed by that. he took aim at previous other tory mps saying leaders saying this is where we are. i'm not sure he persuaded them in the room and thatis persuaded them in the room and that is indeed probably where he lacks some of boris johnson's ability to that and to and to ability to do that and to and to connect with an audience. but he's doing his best. the party is going to get through this. they're have mr sunak they're going to have mr sunak as their leader for the next election barring calamity. election barring a calamity. they've behind him. they've got to get behind him. and of delivering and part of that is delivering on this plan, which does on this rwanda plan, which does actually something actually offer something different to what labour have actually offer something diffyto nt to what labour have actually offer something diffyto offer,what labour have actually offer something diffyto offer,what labynowhere got to offer, which is nowhere near robust a very difficult near as robust a very difficult position to be in as some of these conservative mps. >> feel that this bill does >> they feel that this bill does not go far enough, but should be quite large part them . quite a large part of them. don't vote against their don't want to vote against their own government. and also tricky decision to make also. >> ultimately, it goes further than where we are now. so even if seems to be incomplete , as if it seems to be incomplete, as bill and his allies have bill cash and his allies have been saying, it still goes further than the status quo today. so but in their minds

will be the fact that the clock is ticking down towards that general election . general election. >> and if they don't get it right now, and if those boats don't stop, don't stop coming. >> yeah . what? no one is saying, >> yeah. what? no one is saying, emily and tom, is that a narrow victory for the tory tories tonight? will will be an invitation to peers to try and amend it. now, what they needed. and as tom knows, the students of the constitution, they needed a big win tonight in the house of commons to demonstrate to peers in the house of lords that the clear will of the commons is. must go through is. this must go through a narrow win of single digits or low tens will be an invitation to to the the house of lords where the government hasn't got a majority to amend this and make it softer and make it not even as as robust as it is at the moment. that's what the right playing with at the right are playing with at the moment . moment. >> say also, christopher, >> i must say also, christopher, i am also a student of the constitution, just as tom harwood here. thank you very harwood is here. thank you very much that's much indeed. emily. that's that's quite all right.

>> that's quite all right. of course you are. coui'se you are. >> course you are. >> thank much, christopher. >> i think chris was political edhon >> what was your. edhon >> what was your . yeah. anyway, >> what was your. yeah. anyway, i. i don't want to defend chris here just in terms of strictly speaking, what has been studied rather than understanding in in the current time, which i think no one would dispute. >> no, it's the several degrees including politics. so there you go. anyway, that's that's not of interest . no, no. interest. no, no. >> anyway, but moving on. an asylum seeker has died on the bibby stockholm home barge docked in dorset . the death will docked in dorset. the death will be investigated fully. the home secretary james cleverly has told the commons yes. >> early reports have suggested the asylum seeker died by suicide , but these are just suicide, but these are just reports at the moment and we cannot verify . cannot verify. >> well, our reporter ray addison joins us now for more . addison joins us now for more. ray, what do we understand ? ray, what do we understand? >> well, it's interesting. you mentioned there the home secretary, james cleverly within the last half an hour making that statement to mps in the

commons and saying at this stage he's uncomfortable getting into any more details about that death. but of course, saying he will they will investigate fully . what we do know is that the dorset police received reports of a sudden death of a resident on the bibby stockholm barge in portland in dorset at around 622 this morning. they responded and along with ambulance crews is now they are conducting an investigation that has been opened and the coroner has been informed as well at this stage, we don't know the person's age. we don't know their country of origin or what caused their death. what we do know is that there have been unconfirmed reports of suicide that we cannot obviously confirm freedom from torture has responded, saying that until this government stops forcing refugees into unsafe and undignified accommodation, we will continue to see horrific stories of deaths. so suicide attempts, serious health issues

and unnecessary suffering . care and unnecessary suffering. care for calais issued a similar statement as well. and we know that 39 men who previously stayed on the barge had issued a letter to the home office describing how they found conditions on the bibby stockholm terrifying , like stockholm terrifying, like a prison. they said it left them feeling stressed and anxiety . feeling stressed and anxiety. and they reported in that letter that one asylum seeker had unsuccessfully attempted suicide inside. of course, former home secretary suella braverman has previously insisted that the bibby stockholm barge is safe. however it has been beset with problems ever since the government decided to house asylum seekers there. of course, it was initially designed for 200 people. the barge modify side to house 500. that prompted legal challenges which were unsuccessful . all the move in, unsuccessful. all the move in, though, was delayed after the fire brigades union branded the barge a potential death trap. ultimately we do know that

migrants moved in on the 7th of august, then they had to be evacuated. and just four days later, after the discovery of legionella bacteria . legionella bacteria. >> thank you very much, ray addison , for bringing us the addison, for bringing us the latest on that death in the bibby stockholm barge . now we're bibby stockholm barge. now we're going to zoom out and have a look at the economy because wage growth in the uk has slowed over the last quarter. employment levels also declined, fuelling speculation that the bank of england will elect to keep interest rates on hold at its meeting this thursday. yes although the ons latest measure of pay growth was amongst the highest since records began two decades ago, there are signs that weak economic growth amid high inflation have prompted companies to kerb pay , along companies to kerb pay, along with hiring fewer staff. so joining us now is chief economic adviser at the centre for economic and business research, vicky pryce . vicky, thank you vicky pryce. vicky, thank you very much. should we be surprised by any of this data ? surprised by any of this data? >> not really . surprised by any of this data? >> not really. i think it was

expected that there was going to be a bit of a slowdown. i mean, the thing to remember is that we've had a period over the summer where lots of bonuses were given, particularly to the pubuc were given, particularly to the public and where we public sector and where we suddenly public sector suddenly saw public sector wages, know , move faster wages, you know, move up faster on year on year basis than was the case for the private sector. >> that's now been slowly >> but that's now been slowly reversed. we the private reversed. so we have the private sector more of sector seeing more of an increase. nothing huge, increase. but nothing huge, about 7.3% growth in regular earnings . and we've the earnings. and we've seen the pubuc earnings. and we've seen the public sector about 6.9. so but it is still quite a high figure. and the interesting thing as well is that it is in fact now a penod well is that it is in fact now a period when we're seeing real wage growth taking place. so it's not just nominal growth until recently, inflation was higher than than earnings increases , but now it isn't. so increases, but now it isn't. so increases, but now it isn't. so in the last three months, we saw an increase of about 1.3% in real terms for wage growth, which is good news. think it should. you know, make people perhaps feel happier with heanng perhaps feel happier with hearing quite a lot of positive

stuff, changes that are happening in service demand and bookings over christmas being very , very high in pubs. very, very high in pubs. apparently so. so there is a bit of a very brave really for people at the same time, what we're hearing is that perhaps indeed, as you said at the beginning, interest rates may start coming down faster than perhaps the bank of england is suggesting at present. so that may news as well. may be good news as well. >> that's really >> well, that's really interesting because suppose >> well, that's really interealng because suppose >> well, that's really interealquestionse suppose >> well, that's really intereal question here uppose >> well, that's really intereal question here is pose >> well, that's really intereal question here is will�* the real question here is will people to feel this in people start to feel this in their pockets as soon as next year? that's the question that rishi will be thinking . it rishi sunak will be thinking. it all depends on election timing as well. course, wage growth as well. of course, wage growth slower, but inflation lower. so real wage growth taking place are people going to feel it? >> they probably will be because, of course, remember, we've also been having the sort of pleasure, if you like, for those who are paying national insurance contributions as well of a reduction of, you know, two percentage points in that happening from january . sorry

happening from january. sorry for happening from may be wrong there. i think i think it is january. february it is january which which is good news as well. so yes, there will be a little bit coming into people's pockets. plus, of course, we have the increase in the minimum wage, which is really quite significant. just about 10% increase not bad at increase is not is not bad at all for people the end all for people at the lower end of the scale. so, yes, now of the pay scale. so, yes, now the real problem then is, is it going to be sufficient to offset what's the what's happening in all the other people have? other costs that people have? although nics are coming down? what also seeing, of what we're also seeing, of course, of course, is that because of stealth taxes, tax take is increasing. loads people , increasing. so loads of people, millions of are coming millions of people are coming into paying tax for the first time now and those at the higher rate as well. bigger number are paying rate as well. bigger number are paying that higher rate which they weren't doing before, probably never contemplated . probably never contemplated. they would that before they would do that before because allowances have because personal allowances have been also, been frozen. and also, of course, this interest rates, mortgage start mortgage rates, if they start coming down faster than people anticipated, then that would be good it's still hugely good news. but it's still hugely more expensive to borrow right now was a year ago.

now than it was a year ago. >> yeah, seems depending on >> yeah, it seems depending on who to, some people are who you talk to, some people are saying interest rates will saying that interest rates will come others are saying come down. others are saying they may go higher. come down. others are saying they may go higher . yeah, they may go even higher. yeah, in the near future. anyway, in in the near future. anyway, we what happens . but we shall see what happens. but vicky, much vicky, thank you very much for giving assessment. chief giving us your assessment. chief economic at centre economic adviser at the centre for economic business for economic and business research. wonder how much research. i do wonder how much people will be spending this christmas, whether that will be down on last year or up. we'll find later and also people find out later and also people always say, oh, we're going to raise the minimum wage. >> better >> everyone will feel better off. if that small shop off. but what if that small shop that employs a few people on minimum then has put up minimum wage then has to put up all to afford the all its prices to afford the minimum 10% in minimum wage? a 10% increase in that could just that minimum wage could just mean a 10% increase on prices in the so perhaps we won't the shop. so perhaps we won't feel better after all. yeah there's unintended there's always unintended consequences labour market consequences for labour market regulation, there ? regulation, isn't there? >> but coming up, we'll be at the court because the high court because protesters are once again facing off department of off with the department of transport over controversial plans. time surrounding plans. this time surrounding stonehenge . more on that after stonehenge. more on that after this short .

sunday mornings from 930 on . gb sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news. good afternoon, britain. it's just gone. 127 and you're with us here on good afternoon britain on gb news. but the save stonehenge campaign world heritage site group is bringing a new legal challenge against the transport secretary's

decision to approve a road tunnel scheme near the monument. >> yes. so the campaigners did manage to block the scheme. just two years ago. the scheme would see a £1.7 billion project erect a two mile tunnel next to the site, along with eight miles of new road. and as you can imagine, it's such a beauty and historic landmark that lots of people aren't aren't too impressed . impressed. >> although as i understand it, the tunnel will be further away than the current road. but let's get more information on this because because the whole idea is it's a relief road to stop there being such disturbance. i'm a little bit confused by it all. let's see if we can make sense of it with our gb news national theo chikomba national reporter theo chikomba outside court, theo, outside the high court, theo, what's complaint those what's the complaint of those campaigning against this ? yes, campaigning against this? yes, well, a very good afternoon to you both. so it's a number of things. some are from different groups who have come here. there are dozens of campaigners , some are dozens of campaigners, some parts who go to have parts of groups who go to have entertainment activities there, and others are local residents

and others are local residents and others are local residents and others actually live in parts of different parts of england, such as london, but are so passionate that they shouldn't be. >> any change in this area. >> any change in this area. >> now, it's a it's a fresh road challenge, as you mentioned, there was another hearing which took place in 2021, and they are arguing that if the plans go ahead, it could put the sites world heritage status at risk and described the move as van nihilism. now to save stonehenge world heritage site and the stonehenge alliance is challenging this decision , which challenging this decision, which is estimated to cost around £1.7 billion. and they say, well, that money could be spent on other things. instead of putting it in a tunnel which could in some few years be out of date. that's what one person i spoke to just a few minutes ago was arguing. thing now highways england leading this project say it will reduce journey times from around one hour to around eight minutes. that road which passes by stonehenge is quite narrow . it's one lane each side

narrow. it's one lane each side and it peak times. it can cost . and it peak times. it can cost. take people around one hour and they say eight minutes is how long it will take. people if they're able to put this tunnel and reduce that traffic in that area, particularly for locals and businesses as well. now we've also heard from some others who are part of this, and they're saying, well, the court needs to ensure that this doesn't go ahead . doesn't go ahead. >> very interesting. i've driven down that road quite a few times and you do get a bit of a bottleneck. you do , because bottleneck. you do, because everyone wants to have a look at have a look at the site. so you end up being in traffic. although i must admit i was one of yes i do slow of those people. yes i do slow down to have a look. perhaps i shouldn't do that. >> well, it's interesting, though, i suppose the though, because i suppose the utility the tunnel is that utility of the tunnel is that people down because people won't slow down because there's nothing to see. theo, how long do you think that this sort of campaigning will go on? well, it's been going on for some years now. this is it's a

fresh appeal for this not to go ahead.so fresh appeal for this not to go ahead. so it's the second time and the first time they did win. but now it does seem like it's going to go ahead. we understand from highways england that plans which are in place will start being unveiled in 2024 and work will start to begin. but for many people who are here, they say simply this isn't the right idea for this area and it will destroy what is a place visited by around a million people a year. by around a million people a year . and as emily just year. and as emily just mentioned, who have been part passing through that area. so it's a busy place and there's a simply should remain as it is. >> yes. i mean, clearly there are lots of people who want to drive in that direction and therefore , there needs to be therefore, there needs to be some more infrastructure. i'm just reading here a report about this. they group of mostly this. they say a group of mostly retired archaeologists, environmental artists, historians, transport expert , historians, transport expert, countryside campaigners and druids , these are all druids. druids, these are all druids. these are the people who wish to stop this. this tunnel being

built. i guess if it does lead to stonehenge losing its heritage status status, that's their concern anyway . and that's their concern anyway. and that's not a good thing, is it? let's see how it would. >> i find that very, very hard to believe. i mean, surely it will be a less spoilt landscape shape. thank you so much, theo, for bringing us the very latest there . it does seem like there. it does seem like a peculiar set of objections. i've been looking at a map . the been looking at a map. the proposed tunnel is to the south of the a303. yeah further away from stonehenge than the current road . and it will no longer be road. and it will no longer be blighting the landscape because it will be in a tunnel. >> perhaps it's the construction of it. i suppose it'll be annoying for several years. >> that's what it's like. >> well, let us know at home if you live near. near stonehenge or you use that road quite a lot, let us know what you think. do need a tunnel there? do we need a tunnel there? should fight should these campaigners fight for to campaign about? >> but isn't it typical? not a single spade has gone in the ground years and

ground and it's been years and years years of appeal and years and years of appeal and decision. much money decision. and how much money have on just trying to have we spent on just trying to make a decision in the first place? >> right. i believe yvette cooper has stood up in the cooper has just stood up in the house commons. she's been house of commons. she's been talking to james talking about talking to james cleverly, of course, the home secretary who delivered his statement leading the debate on this rwanda bill. vote is this rwanda bill. the vote is tonight at about 7:00, 7:00, about 7:00, this crunch debate , about 7:00, this crunch debate, will this bill pass ? that is the will this bill pass? that is the question on every mps. >> lips absolutely. and of course, the government does look a little bit frightened about this techy moment tonight , this this techy moment tonight, this this techy moment tonight, this this sort of vote on on on tenterhooks, i suppose , because tenterhooks, i suppose, because they're flying mps back from around the world. graham stuart flying back from from dubai. but also various select committees that have been on jollies or sorry, fact finding missions very important fact finding missions to various warm parts of the world. there flying back early to from sunny dubai to rainy westminster. >> there you go . the life of a >> there you go. the life of a minister. but first, let's get your headlines with tatiana .

your headlines with tatiana. >> emily, thank you. this is the latest from the newsroom. the home secretary says parliament and the british people support the plan . james cleverly the rwanda plan. james cleverly is addressing the commons as the debate on second reading of debate on the second reading of the of rwanda bill begins the safety of rwanda bill begins in his opening statement, he confirmed a migrant has died aboard the bibby stockholm barge. the home secretary then moved on to tout the government's success on small boat crossings . boat crossings. >> judges of course, play an important role , but they are not important role, but they are not policy makers. they should not be policy makers. and so when the courts find a particular formulation of policy unlawful , formulation of policy unlawful, it is the job of politicians is to listen to their views, respect their views and find a solution . i will make further solution. i will make further progress thanks to the efforts

on the part of the uk government and the government of rwanda thatis and the government of rwanda that is exactly what we have donein that is exactly what we have done in response to the verdict from the supreme court . from the supreme court. >> while shadow home secretary yvette cooper has criticised the prime minister's leadership in the lead up to the vote this evening . evening. >> we've just got total tory chaos. >> yeah , what a fine mess this week. >> prime minister has got them all into and got the country into as well , tearing lumps out into as well, tearing lumps out of each other over a failing policy while they let the country down. >> we've had a home secretary sacked, an immigration minister resigning and they've spent almost £300 million of taxpayers money on rwanda without sending a single person and the home secretary seemed to confirm today that in fact, that is £400 million more. >> while the prime minister is fighting for his political future as he attempts to persuade a group of rebel tory mps to back the rwanda

legislation ahead of the key vote right wing conservatives will meet this evening to make a final decision on whether to vote against the safety of rwanda bill or abstain. while some tory mps have given their support , they've warned against support, they've warned against any attempts to harden the measures the home secretary's promised. the death of the asylum seeker on the bibby stockholm barge will be investigated fully . the first investigated fully. the first asylum seekers were brought back to the vessel docked in dorset in october for around two months after it was evacuated following the discovery of legionella bacteria in the water supply . bacteria in the water supply. for more on all of those stories, you can visit our website, gbnews.com . for website, gbnews.com. for a valuable legacy your family can own. >> gold coins will always shine bright. rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . report. >> here's a quick snapshot of

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six till 930. >> now the question of the day will enough mps back the bill this evening to get it through parliament? this is of course, the rwanda bill. joining us to discuss this are two excellent guests , broadcaster and guests, broadcaster and historian david oldroyd bolt and the former labour mp bill rammell. thank you very much indeed. so will this bill go through? bill >> who knows? >> who knows? >> i think there's going to be a significant rebellion whether it's enough to defeat the bill, i don't know. we'll see at 7:00 this evening. but what it is demonstrating is that the government chaos. government is in utter chaos. i think the reality is the tory party is ungovernable at the moment. this bill is a gimmick. £300 million. and if it succeeds , is a handful of people going to rwanda and under flying all of that, the basics of tackling immigration are not being got right because what you need to

do is you need to tackle the backlog of asylum claims because that's the biggest pull factor for people coming to this country . you need returns, country. you need returns, agreement in place across europe, the like of which we had when we were in the european union. and hey presto, then we didn't small boats problem. >> bill. we had more people coming into uk through the coming into the uk through the dubun coming into the uk through the dublin we had dublin agreement than we had leaving for the last two years of arrangement . it was we of the arrangement. it was we were net import ing eu migrants via that scheme. >> but look across the sweep of time and it worked effectively and , you know, if you want and look, you know, if you want to the comparison, we have to make the comparison, we have now, the net migration now, look at the net migration figures, 745,000 announced last week. about four times week. that's about four times the level when labour left office. this is a fiasco and it needs a grip and it needs to be got right and the bill isn't doing that. >> this is a problem that the whole of the western world is facing now. we've seen what's happening the on us happening in the on the us border south. we've seen border to the south. we've seen the italy, in the increases in italy, in greece, france, in spain, in greece, in france, in spain, in germany, all of these countries

are seeing massive upticks. do you blame it all on brexit? no i'm not blaming it all on brexit, but i think brexit has contributed six significantly. >> but you know, it's a problem that needs to be gripped. and one of the most foolish things that i think james cleverly said in his opening statement in the house of commons today was the pubuc house of commons today was the public expect us to stop all illegal migration that is for the birds. you know, as you've rightly said, there are challenges in terms of migration, both legal and illegal, across the planet. what you need is a firmer grip to reduce the numbers. and we're light years from that under this government. well, surely geographically, david, we have more ability than mainland europe to stop the tide of illegal immigration. >> is it an impossibility? >> is it an impossibility? >> you'd have thought that given that we're surrounded by an enormous body of water and we have this thing called the royal navy, it shouldn't be too difficult. but i think the rwanda is clearly gimmick. >> it doesn't the

>> it doesn't address the overriding problem, which is legal country legal migration to this country is too high because is far, far too high because we've addicted over the we've become addicted over the past largely due to past 25 years, largely due to the of mr and mr the policies of mr brown and mr to blair very low wage immigration, suppressing the wages britons and bringing wages of britons and bringing about stagnation. we need to wean ourselves off it. >> this is drug we become >> this is a drug that we become addicted and this is also addicted to, and this is also the across of western europe. >> low wage immigration keeps down wages across the continent, causing economic stagnation . causing economic stagnation. >> it's the case in much of the united states. i was in washington for a week recently and the figure i was quoted was anywhere seven and 10 anywhere between seven and 10 million illegal immigrants came across the united across the border of the united states . states last year. >> there so little well, >> why is there so little well, about it? >> why is there so little political will really being put to when people are to this, except when people are so furious the so beyond furious that the governments ignore governments can't ignore it? >> do think there is so >> why do you think there is so little will your view? >> i think it is because we have become, as an economy, extremely reliant this and there is not reliant on this and there is not the political thought in the medium long term as to how we medium to long term as to how we reverse medium to long term as to how we rev

isn't if we we closed the isn't it? if we if we closed the doors tomorrow, then suddenly all these sectors that quite all of these sectors that quite frankly, pay that much frankly, don't pay that much social care, for example , would social care, for example, would find a big crisis of employment. therefore there needs to be a glide path , perhaps, to getting glide path, perhaps, to getting these numbers down is what the government has said. just to stick on legal migration for a moment, we return to rwanda in a second. the government has announced all of these different controls raising of the controls on the raising of the income threshold to the capping of and removing of dependents . of and removing of dependents. is that the sort of path that will actually fix that problem? it would be if those measures were anywhere near severe enough. 38,500 pounds is not enough. >> it needs to be doubled. >> it needs to be doubled. >> we really i don't think we can any longer lie about this to the top 25% of income earners . the top 25% of income earners. who do we want here? do we want the very best people in the world coming here to work in those of the economy or in those parts of the economy or in those parts of the economy or in those positions that we cannot find from or that will find from within or that will add enormous value to the

add such enormous value to the economy our intellect add such enormous value to the ec0|that' our intellect add such enormous value to the ec0|that we our intellect add such enormous value to the ec0|that we can'tyur intellect add such enormous value to the ec0|that we can't ignore llect life that we can't ignore it. >> or are we just going to say, well, you're just about good enough in and of enough and come in and of course, we do on if i course, bill, we do have on if i can, let me just respond to that point. >> to double the minimum salary threshold would be reckless and irresponsible. i don't mean do it , reckless and it overnight, reckless and irresponsible need long irresponsible. we need a long term strategy invest in term strategy to invest in education we need to education and skills. we need to abolish, as the government at last rightly did last year. last week, the 20% salary threshold so that foreigners can be enficed so that foreigners can be enticed to come into the country for lower wages . we need that for lower wages. we need that kind of long term strategy . but kind of long term strategy. but if we do this overnight, you know, people watching this programme who their programme who want their parents, grandparents to parents, their grandparents to be cared for in care homes , that be cared for in care homes, that would be blown away. >> do you understand how >> but do you understand how furious large swathes of the pubuc furious large swathes of the public about migration being public are about migration being at such high levels? there for a lot of people, it is their number one issue when it comes to how they may vote, or at least it's one of their highest

political issues. >> it's actually not. if you look at the polling evidence, it's about third or fourth. and the national health service and the national health service and the economy comes way ahead. the national health service and the el'mymy comes way ahead. the national health service and the eyi'm not comes way ahead. the national health service and the eyi'm not going way ahead. the national health service and the eyi'm not going to ay ahead. the national health service and the eyi'm not going to sayhead. the national health service and the eyi'm not going to say that. now, i'm not going to say that 745,000 net migration is desirable or sustainable, but you need to tackle the problem effectively and you need to do it sustainably. and we're not having that by the kind of gimmicks that we're getting from this government populist gesture that have actually seen the numbers go through the roof. >> okay, bill, because i'm going to put this question to you. uh, people the rwanda people often say the rwanda bill, gimmick. this bill, it's just a gimmick. this whole plan going to work, whole plan is not going to work, blah, blah, blah. won't get blah, blah, blah. it won't get through courts, etcetera, through the courts, etcetera, etcetera. it's not desirable anyway. ethically, anyway. morally, ethically, whatever to whatever argument you want to put, a labour put, what would a labour government differently? government do differently? because the moment they talk because at the moment they talk about, a bit more about, oh, a bit more cooperation with french, a cooperation with the french, a little more money here, little bit more money here, a little bit more money here, a little more tackling people little bit more tackling people smugglers. but government's smugglers. but the government's already doing those things . already doing those things. >> well, i'll give you some practical examples. when i was a foreign office minister, we

looked at offshore processing. we go through we eventually didn't go through with it because of the risks associated stated in the kind of scheme you've got with a country like rwanda , but maybe offshore like rwanda, but maybe offshore processing to process the claims, not to leave them there forever may be part of the solution. you also need to tackle, but not with rwanda , not tackle, but not with rwanda, not with rwanda. if you look at the human rights record in rwanda, in terms of extrajudicial killings , political prisoners , killings, political prisoners, you know, 87% of people being of asylum claims being fed by the world food programme. >> what country would yvette cooper be able to do this with very quickly? >> i'm no longer a labour frontbencher. i've not got that detail , but there are countries detail, but there are countries we can look to. but much more importantly is a tax paying the backlog in asylum claims? last year that figure was ten times higher than it was when labour left office and that acts acts as a green light and a pull for people to come to this country illegally . illegally. >> and yet, bill, you mention the problems that you perceive

in rwanda. i've been reading through the bill that mps are voting on at 7 pm. this evening. it makes clear that courts cannot not refer to any general problem about rwanda in terms of not allowing people to go there. this bill would put in uk statute which courts would have to refer to above any other sort of international obligation would say that rwanda is deemed safe as a result of the treaty we've just signed and there is no room under specific issue that can prevent a flight out. does that not go far enough? >> well, i think that's wrong. you know, i quoted aid edward garnier , former attorney general garnier, former attorney general in the last conservative government, who said at the weekend this bill is about saying that dogs or cats and they're not. it's trying to run away from from reality. and this is not the way forward. and also i object in principle to people having the right to make legal

claims. that's that's a principle of british law that we ought to be upholding. >> and, david, just quickly, as a historian looking at the constitutional background to this parliament, is sovereign. the government today saying that it has the power to make this law that courts will have to abide by over , over and above abide by over, over and above international commitments as well. exactly the point i would have thought that leaving the european union was in part in large part so that we could once again have our own sovereignty and that we could, when it suhed and that we could, when it suited us and when politically necessary, disregard international treaties. >> in this way, it is not at all without historical precedent . without historical precedent. >> i don't think there is a moral or legal question about this parliament. >> it decides can change >> if it decides to, can change the laws of the land. that is why is there. parliament is why it is there. parliament is primarily a legislative, a legislative and legislative body and if parliament decides this is parliament decides that this is a bill, if the house of a legal bill, if the house of commons votes that this is a legal bill, it will become

british law. it's that simple . british law. it's that simple. >> right now i want to turn our attention to the rather different story and a story in france. it appears that france is having a batley grammar moment that was, of course, the school where a teacher showed a depiction of the prophet muhammad , and he was then forced muhammad, and he was then forced to go in hiding and i believe has been in hiding since as a result of a backlash from muslim parents and also from groups from outside the area as well. now, this is in france, in this case, yes, a teacher showed a renaissance painting to the class which featured nude women as you would as you see in these types of masterpieces. and this caused uproar among some muslim parents, complaints from pupils and parents. and now the teachers teacher's been forced to their striking in solidarity with this teacher fears over safety bill if it's reported accurately, it's shocking .

accurately, it's shocking. >> you know, if you're a muslim, either coming to a country in the west or being born in a country in the west, you have to abide by the norms and values of that country. and you can't operate as if you believe that you are living in an islamic country . and, you know, part of country. and, you know, part of education, whether it's schools , education, whether it's schools, colleges, universities, is that you will be open to different views, some of which you won't like . and, you know, if you're like. and, you know, if you're studying art, yes, you'll be shown paintings where there are nude figures within them. you don't have a right to object to that. don't have a right to object to that . and you know, this is the that. and you know, this is the same school as i understand it, the same area where six teenagers have just been arrested for coordinating the beheading of a student by facilitating his whereabouts. and the information about him to an islamic terrorist. and the information about him to an islamic terrorist . this is an islamic terrorist. this is fundamentally wrong , dave. fundamentally wrong, dave. >> it speaks to a profound

problem with integration and yet, david, france is a country that has gone further than most in terms of trying to enforce a culture across a country. they have banned the hijab in schools. they have banned the burqa. they have made mosques. if they want to receive any sort of public accreditation, sign up to a set of values. these are things that would be considered perhaps on the fringes of policy in britain , but a law in france in britain, but a law in france and it doesn't seem to be doing the assimilation work. well, i think france has done what any sensible nation would have done when faced with migration on the scale that the west has been faced with over the past quarter of a century. but there comes a critical mass. >> there comes a point at which the scale of immigration is so great and the building up of those communities within the host nation is so profound that no matter what the cultural policies of the it will policies of the nation, it will not be sufficient because those people not going to change people are not going to change their because most the their minds because most of the west the past

west is in fact spent the past half century saying they half century saying that they shouldn't, they shouldn't, but saying that they can come here and they can live their lives in the way that they would their nations would in their home nations >> now they get >> it's just that now they get to do it with high salaries. >> now, not sure if this >> now, i'm not sure if this happened at batley grammar. i don't think did. but the don't think it did. but the teachers, staff members have gone on strike in solidarity with these with this teacher. so these french teachers are putting their david, and their foot down, david, and saying, will stand saying, we will not stand by this of intimidation . and this type of intimidation. and presumably saying if we presumably they're saying if we want to show a renaissance painting, we can. >> whereas in batley , you had >> whereas in batley, you had the the police , the the council, the police, the local all bowing down and local mp all bowing down and saying, oh, no, i'm so sorry you were offended by this very were offended by this with very little the man who is, little care for the man who is, as you say, still in hiding. he and his wife have to change and his wife have had to change their change their their identities, change their phone cut off all phone numbers, cut off all contact families contact with their families because threatened contact with their families beca death. threatened contact with their families bec thisath. threatened contact with their families bec thisath a threatened contact with their families becthisatha problemreatened contact with their families becthisatha problem oftened contact with their families becthisatha problem of theed contact with their families becthisatha problem of the most >> this is a problem of the most extraordinary and grave manner . extraordinary and grave manner. >> and we need to stop being so tense about it. >> if people are threatening death for being exposed to ideas or works of art with which they

have to wrap it up there. >> david, sorry to cut you off, but coming up in the next hour, we're bringing you updates from that debate. stay with that rwanda debate. so stay with us.looks that rwanda debate. so stay with us. looks like things are heating >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsored hours of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello again. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office for some northwestern areas, it will turn dner northwestern areas, it will turn drier and clearer throughout the night and it could be a bit of a frosty start , but there will be frosty start, but there will be some further rain to come. further as this low further east as this low pressure moves east across the country, some country, dragging with it some of well. so that will of fronts as well. so that will continue bring heavy continue to bring some heavy rain to northeastern areas of england. rain should slowly england. the rain should slowly start eastern start to clear more eastern areas but we'll areas of scotland, but we'll continue see some heavy continue to see some heavy showers into this evening. but things do tend to dry out from the north—west overnight . so the north—west overnight. so we'll see some clear spells developing across much of scotland as well as parts of northern ireland. so could northern ireland. so we could see a touch of frost by tomorrow morning. further east, though, that will sink

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news >> good afternoon, britain . it's >> good afternoon, britain. it's 2:00 on tuesday, the 12th of december. coming up, rwanda reckoning home secretary james cleverly says the new rwanda bill is game changing and assures mps that the east african nation stands ready to welcome migrants. >> but will he be able to persuade enough mps ahead of the crucial vote this evening? >> and this is all in the context of a migrant dying on the bibby stockholm barge. early

reports from the ceo of the charity care for calais have suggested that the asylum seeker took his own life on board. we'll bring you more detail as we get it. new polling suggests that a fifth of the british pubuc that a fifth of the british public would back covid restrictions being introduced with those aged 95, 95, 25 to 42, most likely to back restrictions. >> so it's the young ones who want the restrictions. let us know what you think. would you back a reintroduction of those measures . now? >> of course, we'll mention rwanda in this big debate, big vote at 7:00 in a second. but on those on those covid restrictions means millennials being the most in favour of them. i've got a theory about this because they want to close nightclubs. i think that's the 25 to 42 year olds who aren't

ianed 25 to 42 year olds who aren't invited on the nights out, who sit there scrolling on their social media accounts, seeing their friends, having fun , their friends, having fun, thinking, i'm going to banish it all. for everyone else. it's the jealous lot. >> so , well, so people like you >> so, well, so people like you really , you think, don't go out . really, you think, don't go out. it doesn't get invited out much. no >> oh, yeah. no, i'm every weekend i'm very, very sitting at home. >> he has to beg me every weekend to come out with him, you emily, come to you know? emily, please come to the me. the pub with me. >> no, this is true. i sit there by myself reading books. no, no. anyway the big in anyway the big debate in parliament moment, seven parliament at the moment, seven hours of debate with two hours into it, we can see live pictures from the house of commons. snp spokesman speaking there . but debate is going there. but this debate is going on until the crunch point . this on until the crunch point. this big vote at 7 pm. this evening andifs big vote at 7 pm. this evening and it's on a knife edge. >> so it will be about seven hours that they're debating this altogether before the vote. now it's hard to it's hard to say really whether the vote will pass, whether this bill will pass. but it's looking more

likely now is it not? >> yes, i've seen a report in the last couple of minutes that robert jenrick, that's the image creation minister who resigned over the whole treaty situation and this potential bill sounds like he now now may not vote against the emergency bill. he says , i want this bill to work says, i want this bill to work like this bill could be so much better. let's make it work. yes it'll be interesting to see if there were any compromises, any promises given to him about how the bill may be reworded in the future. >> we shall see. but let us know what you think. vaiews@gbnews.com. will this bill pass ? let's get the let's bill pass? let's get the let's get the headlines with tatiana . get the headlines with tatiana. >> two minutes, three minutes past to your top stories from the newsroom. the home secretary says parliament and the british people support the rwanda plan . people support the rwanda plan. james cleverly addressed the commons as the debate on the

second reading of the safety of rwanda. bill has begun in the prime minister's fighting for his political future as he attempts to persuade a group of rebel tory mps to back the rwanda legislation ahead of a key vote right wing conservatives will meet this evening to make a final decision on whether to vote against the safety of rwanda bill or abstain, while mr cleverly also touched on the government's success on small boat crossings, the tragically there has been death on the bbc stockholm barge i >> -- >> i'm sure lam >> i'm sure that the thoughts of the whole house are like mine are with those affected. the house will understand that at this stage among comfortable and going into any more details . but going into any more details. but we will of course investigate it fully. mr speaker , i beg to move fully. mr speaker, i beg to move that the bill be now read a second time here. this government is stopping the boats . arrivals are down by a third. this year as illegal entries are

on the rise elsewhere in europe , on the rise elsewhere in europe, shadow home secretary yvette cooper has criticised the prime minister's leadership in the lead up to the vote this evening. >> we've just got total tory chaos. >> yeah , what a fine mess this week. >> prime minister has got them all into and got the country into as well, tearing lumps out of each other over a failing policy they let the policy while they let the country down. >> we've had a home secretary sacked an immigration minister resigning and they've spent almost £300 million of taxpayers money on rwanda without sending a single person . and the home a single person. and the home secretary seemed to confirm today that in fact , that is £400 million. >> labour leader sir keir starmer accused the tory party of being too self—involved to govern. >> we're all stuck in their psychodrama . we're all being psychodrama. we're all being dragged down to their level and that's what they just don't understand . and while they're understand. and while they're swanning around and

self—importantly with their factions and their star chambers fighting like rats in a sack, there's a country out here that isn't being governed and a country that needs leadership . country that needs leadership. >> the home secretary's promised the death of an asylum seeker on the death of an asylum seeker on the bibby stockholm barge. will be investigated fully. the first asylum seekers were brought back to the vessel docked in dorset in october, around two months after it was evacuated following the discovery of legionella bacteria in the water supply. according to media reports, police and ambulance services arrived at the scene after the body was found this morning . body was found this morning. chief child killer lucy letby does not object to being stripped of her nursing credentials , a court has heard. credentials, a court has heard. the two day hearing will decide if letby should be removed from the register. letby filled out a form where she was asked if she accepts the nursing and midwife council's charges. she said i accept the facts of the convictions and i maintain my

innocence in all respects. of all of convicted ones. in all of the convicted ones. in august, the 33 year old was sentenced to 14 whole life orders after she was convicted of the murders of seven babies and the attempted murders of six others . fire control staff will others. fire control staff will stage a series of strikes after christmas in a dispute over staffing and shifts. members of the fire brigades union on merseyside will walk out for eight consecutive days from the 27th of december. they voted in august to take the action opposing claims of a reduction in night staff and the introduction of a duty shift system that they say they never agreed to . and schools awaiting agreed to. and schools awaiting an ofsted inspection can now defer the visit until after the new year. and all requests will be granted. it comes after the result of the coroner's report into the death of headteacher teacher ruth perry, whose family say she took her own life when her school was downgraded from its highest rating to its lowest

ever. its highest rating to its lowest ever . ratings over safeguarding ever. ratings over safeguarding concerns to school leaders . concerns to school leaders. unions say simply granting inspection deferrals to schools at the end of term does not go far enough . this is gb news far enough. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. by saying play gb news now back to tom and . emily >> good afternoon, britain . it >> good afternoon, britain. it is 207 and of course the debate rages on in parliament tonight over this crucial vote coming at 7 pm. this evening. >> yes, the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, has accused rishi sunak of hiding behind the rwandan government . behind the rwandan government. she says the prime minister is too weak to defend his own plan. >> meanwhile, former immigration minister robert jenrick warned the house of commons that the number of small boat arrivals in the uk will rise for many years

to come unless the rwanda plan is properly carried out. but crucially , she he didn't say crucially, she he didn't say he'd vote against it, not at this stage. >> why did he resign anyway? sunakis >> why did he resign anyway? sunak is trying to avert a damaging rebellion by right wing tory mps over this plan ahead of the crunch vote as his premiership hangs in the balance. >> well, our political correspondent olivia utley joins us from a slightly rainy downing street and olivia does the sort of the fact that the heavens have opened that westminster is becoming more and more drenched bode well. is it an omen for tonight ? tonight? >> well, it does feel a bit like pathetic fallacy. we keep getting these enormous thunderclaps over the house of commons, which does feel a little bit like an omen of doom, if you like. it is going to be a very important night for rishi sunak. very important night for rishi sunak . it looks as though the sunak. it looks as though the vote is going to be pretty tight. graham stuart , the net tight. graham stuart, the net zero minister is in dubai at the moment for cop 28. he's being

flown back to london for the vote and then is flying straight back to dubai again, which suggests that the whips need every single vote they can get from what i'm hearing, it sounds as though quite a few of these rebels who rishi sunak been trying to woo this morning are prepared if not to vote for the bill at least to abstain . but bill at least to abstain. but the problem for rishi sunak is that, yes, it's better for him if they abstain than if they vote against the bill. but it would only take 59 abstentions or 29 votes against for the conservatives to lose. so this is a hugely important night for rishi sunak. in the last hour or so, it's become there have been whispers at least, that rishi sunak might be to prepared make a few amendments to try and get the right back on side. but it isn't clear how far those amendments would go . so richard amendments would go. so richard holden has talked about tweaks. essentially the problem that the right wing of the conservative party has with this bill is that

although it would deem rwanda a safe country generally, so the scheme could get up and running, individual migrants could still go to the courts and say that in their own personal circle sentences deportation to rwanda would be unsafe. now, number 10 says that that would happen in vanishingly few situations . it vanishingly few situations. it says that the route to these mitigating circumstances are very narrow, that it would only apply very narrow, that it would only apply to, for example, women in the latest stages of pregnancy who are unable to fly or those with danger illnesses which can't be treated in a country like rwanda. the million dollar question is will those rebels believe them? essentially, they have to trust what rishi sunak is saying and it feels a little bit in westminster today as though trust between the conservative party and its leader is beginning to break down. so unless rishi sunak can shore up their votes , it is shore up their votes, it is quite possible that today could be the beginning of the end of

his premiership. >> now, many of us would have assumed that robert jenrick the former immigration minister who resigned , died over this bill. resigned, died over this bill. at least in part, was going to vote against the government ant but now seems to be that but it now seems to be that perhaps he will vote with the government tonight. is this a sign that perhaps rishi sunak is promising some quite crucial changes to this legislation if it passes ? it passes? >> well, i think it will. could be emily robert jenrick plan originally i don't think was to vote against the government. it was to abstain on the bill. but from what he was saying in parliament just now, it does sound possible that he is now prepared vote with the prepared to vote with the government. i was in the government. now, i was in the lobby meeting this morning listening to prime listening to the prime minister's did say minister's spokesman. he did say again sunak gone again that rishi sunak has gone as far as he can go with this bill. but when asked if there was any wiggle room at all, he wasn't actually prepared to say no. that's all westminster speak for. yes, the government might be willing to nudge the bill a little bit to amend it a little

bit in order to get some of those right wing rebels on side. could it be some sort of amendment that clarifies the exact mitigating circumstances of where a migrant would be able to claim that deportation was dangerous? could it be cracking down and explaining exactly what those situations would be to make it as narrow as possible? that's one option that's being discussed. of course, the problem with this , as rishi problem with this, as rishi sunak well knows , is that the sunak well knows, is that the one nation tories, those group of mps on the left of the party, have said that they will only support the bill if it remains unamended . and so on one side unamended. and so on one side you've got the right saying amend this bill or we won't vote for it. on the left you've got if you don't, if you do amend this bill, we won't vote for it. so it is a really sticky situation for rishi sunak. and one thing that's worth bearing in that even if it does in mind is that even if it does squeak evening and squeak through this evening and as speech from as you say, that speech from jenrick look little jenrick makes that look a little bit more likely than it did this morning. then rishi sunak is going really big going to get in really big trouble in the house lords.

trouble in the house of lords. if won by a huge if the bill won by a huge majority. the house of lords, which house, which is an unelected house, would difficulty trying to would have difficulty trying to vote because the elected vote it down because the elected government had had shown that they were in an they were for it in an overwhelming way . however, it overwhelming way. however, if it only squeaks through with a handful of mps , then the left handful of mps, then the left leaning house of lords will feel emboldened. they could vote it down and then we could get into a of ping pong situation, a sort of ping pong situation, which is what they call it. when a bill goes backwards and forwards to the forwards from the lords to the commons amended all commons being amended all the time, the could end up time, then the bill could end up in completely unrecognisable in a completely unrecognisable way the to the way that rishi way to the to the way that rishi sunak proposed it. sunak originally proposed it. and cause long and that too would cause long term damage to his premiership. absolutely julie. >> people always forget that it's not just that one hurdle, it's not just that one hurdle, it's got to get over. and the tories only hold one third of the seats in the house of lords. just finally, olivia, we heard right at the start of the debate live on this channel, sir. bill cash asking the new home secretary, james cleverly, about

whether or not this bill would override international law in the eyes of the courts. and it seemed that the home secretary was was going as far as he could to agree with bill cash leaning in that direction , saying that, in that direction, saying that, yes, the what parliament passes should be taken as a as more important moment than any international obligation version. does that perhaps hint to any of these behind the scenes discussions as yes, i think that was a really significant intervention. >> you're absolutely right to raise it. james cleverly did seem to agree with bill cash that eurosceptic right wing mp, a member of the of the star chamber that's been looking over the legalities of this bill and james cleverly said that, yes , a james cleverly said that, yes, a what a minister decides would be supreme over international court rulings. so he didn't go as far as to say that this bill would actually completely circumvent what european laws on human rights. but he did say that what

a minister said would would sort of trump that , if you like. so of trump that, if you like. so that does show that there is a little bit of wiggle room there for the government and it might just be enough keep those just be enough to keep those tory from voting against the tory mps from voting against the bill. but as i say , whether they bill. but as i say, whether they vote against it for it or abstain is very important. the government could still lose this bill even if no mps vote against it. even if a lot of even if 59 mps, just 59 conservative mps abstain , they could lose this abstain, they could lose this bill anyway . so the question is, bill anyway. so the question is, have they given in to the right enough to get it over the line? >> very interesting . time will >> very interesting. time will tell. thank you, olivia utley , tell. thank you, olivia utley, our political correspondent. i must say that pitter patter on her umbrella was quite soothing, even if the drama, doesn't it ? even if the drama, doesn't it? yeah, it was a dark and stormy night. it was a dark and stormy. right. shall we speak to the executive director of migration? watch, dr. mike jones? mike thank you for joining watch, dr. mike jones? mike thank you forjoining us. i'm thank you for joining us. i'm interested to know what your organisation makes of the current drafting of this rwanda

bill. do you think it goes far enough ? well there are aspects enough? well there are aspects of the bill that are quite positive. >> i mean, it this applies sections two, three and six of the human rights act and obviously the human rights act embeds the convention of human rights, which makes it very difficult for the home office to deport people who have arrived illegally. so i think that's really positive. there are positive sections on the prevention of interim injunctions, but as you know, suella braverman and robert jenrick point out , clause four jenrick point out, clause four is the weakness because that allows for individual appeals that could create a logjam in the system. you could have a high attrition rate of appeals and you know, as jenrick points out, this could lead to a merry go round of legal challenges. >> but mike, are the people have pointed out that if the government were to strengthen in

that section of the bill, it could well a real possibility that rwanda then pulls out . that rwanda then pulls out. >> i'm not convinced of that. >> i'm not convinced of that. >> rwanda had a very similar outsourcing policy with the state of israel , although that state of israel, although that the details of that didn't fully come to public. so i'm not entirely convinced of this . entirely convinced of this. looking into section four, as you rightly mentioned , the so you rightly mentioned, the so called loophole , all the really called loophole, all the really relevant section, section four one, b, to get incredibly technical, where it talks about courts and tribunals reviewing the wording is that this could be brought about based on compelling evidence relating specifically to the person's particular individual circumstances, rather than the grounds that rwanda is unsafe. does that not seem like pretty tight language? no one could be

refused by saying rawa enda itself is unsafe . they can't itself is unsafe. they can't talk about the record of the rwandan government or all of the talking points that lots of people bring up. it has to be something and something specific and compelling about someone, individual , compelling about someone, individual, i.e. some sort of debilitating disease . debilitating disease. >> yes, the wording is robust, but what works in theory doesn't necessarily work in practice and you know, professor richard aikins of policy exchange has also made this point . also made this point. >> rishi sunak claims that the bar is set very high, but in practice, judge judges and lawyers could actually lower the bar . bar. >> what would your ideal policy be to stop the boats . be to stop the boats. >> i think it's a bit too late in the day now. this is the last chance saloon. but if i could go back in time, um, i would

encourage the government to have negotiated a returns policy c with the european union during the brexit negotiations , which the brexit negotiations, which didn't happen , obviously. didn't happen, obviously. i think parliament needs to look at the human rights act either to amend or abolish it, particularly the principle of non—refoulement , which i think non—refoulement, which i think is outdated . and but again, this is outdated. and but again, this is outdated. and but again, this is this is all irrelevant to where we are now, isn't it also the point that if we were to sign some sort of returns agreement with the european union, they would never do a returns agreement? that was only one way. and one of the big problems being faced by countries, the united countries, not just the united kingdom, but countries right around world right now, is around the world right now, is that the number of people moving is simply skyrocketing and all european countries are seeing a huge influx of legal and illegal migration. and by some assessment , if we had some migration. and by some assessment, if we had some sort of pooled obligation with the european union , which would no

european union, which would no doubt be asked for in returns for returns agreement, we might have to accept even more migrants as a result of that . migrants as a result of that. well, i would never advocate that type of returns policy. that's more in line with what the labour party believe in. and indeed that's what happened under the dublin convention where we actually received more people than who we sent back . people than who we sent back. you know, an ideal returns policy is having joint boat patrols, joint operations with france. and if somebody attempts to cross the channel, they're intercepted . if they somehow intercepted. if they somehow manage to arrive , then obviously manage to arrive, then obviously they should be sent back. but again, that's not going to happen. again, that's not going to happen . um the eu has ruled out happen. um the eu has ruled out a returns policy with the uk because they need to get their own house in order. yep >> thank you very much indeed for your time. dr. mike jones, who is the director of migration. watch watch. i ask tom about what would the ideal policy look like for you?

because this is what we've got. and i know it's hypothetical , and i know it's hypothetical, but it's often it's very easy to criticise what's in front of you, but i do struggle sometimes because it doesn't seem to me that anyone has a perfect solution. you know, people talk about turning the boats back, but hang on, that's hardly going to get through the courts, is it? >> well, and this is and this is the uncomfortable situation that we as a nation face. a hundred years ago, britain ruled the waves. britain was an unambiguous superpower. indeed pax britannica lasted from 1815 until perhaps . between the first until perhaps. between the first and second world war. we're not we're not the sole global superpower anymore. we're a global power. we're an important power, but we are far less powerful than the united states or china. and in that sense, we can't just pick up people and dump them in another state. we have to have the agreement of that state to do so . so we can't that state to do so. so we can't just turn back the boats and dump them on. france without

france agreeing to that . and it france agreeing to that. and it doesn't seem that they're doing it. so get this this bind it. so so you get this this bind that the government's been in since this boat problem started in around 2018? yeah >> and we get fixated on the small things and it's understandable why. but, you know, the accommodation or particulars around various issues like that but it's yeah . issues like that but it's yeah. a conundrum. let's hope the government , one government might government, one government might be able to solve it . government, one government might be able to solve it. coming up we'll the latest the we'll have the latest from the high the battle over high court as the battle over stonehenge bypass continues. lots you been in touch lots of you have been in touch on that. we'll get to your views soon. good afternoon, soon. this is good afternoon, britain .

monday to thursdays from. six till 930 . till 930. >> well, thank you for sending in your views. we've got a huge amount on rwanda, but also on stonehenge . whether we need this stonehenge. whether we need this this tunnel . how many years has this tunnel. how many years has it been since they proposed this tunnel? >> multiple. >> multiple. >> multiple. >> multiple years. multiple years, years. >> but the thing that makes me a little bit confused about the whole situation is currently there is road quite to there is a road quite close to stonehenge lodge. the tunnel will traffic further away will move traffic further away from stonehenge . it will be from stonehenge. it will be further away from the monument than the current road. surely if you're in favour of conservation, that's a good thing. >> well, shane agrees with you. he says, why should a few rich do gooders, many of whom don't

even live in the area with a very selfish view about stonehenge , even have the right stonehenge, even have the right to challenge the tunnel? but mike says , no, we do not want mike says, no, we do not want nor need any tunnel or slipways to that tunnel. salisbury plain is the most archaeological sensitive site so far found in the uk . many artefacts are still the uk. many artefacts are still being found, so there you go. you he suggests that we should get this particular particular professor on the show, so perhaps we'll do that. >> all right. i would have thought that a big excavation work digging a tunnel. you'd find lots of stuff. would be find lots of stuff. it would be good archaeology. don't good for archaeology. i don't know. how much to know. maybe knows how much to two sides to this debate, isn't there? >> yes. shall we cross to the high court? because joining us now news national reporter now is gb news national reporter theo chikomba more this . theo chikomba with more on this. theo, can you explain exactly why these campaigners do not want this tunnel to be constructed ? constructed? >> yes, well, it's a number of reasons which we've heard from campaigners today. some of them

are from london, some have come from different parts of the country and including some from wiltshire as well. and they're saying, well, actually, this area needs to be preserved. it needs to stay exactly as it is now. it is a fresh challenge. stonehenge and this road challenge. it's not the first time this they were back here in court in 2021, and they're back again today. and they say simply , we shouldn't have to keep coming back here. now, dozens of campaigners have been here at the high court. some of them have gone back inside now and others are still outside just sheltering from the rain. and they argue that if plans go ahead, it could put the sites world heritage status at risk and describe the move as vandalism . um, now we've heard vandalism. um, now we've heard from national highways who are leading this project and they say we acknowledge there is a clear process for any legal challenge to take place and that they remain confident that the

scheme is the best solution for tackling long standing bottleneck when it comes to traffic. now they argue that if a tunnel is put in underground near the site of stonehenge, it could save people almost up to an hour. at the moment they're saying people are waiting in that area, particularly at peak times for about an hour and if there's a tunnel, it could take people about eight minutes just to through area. to pass through that area. however now the chair of the stonehenge alliance and the three directors of the sw1 say in the face of government indifference to the harm of the road cause by the world heritage site, we had no choice but to bnng site, we had no choice but to bring this legal action. and they hope that they will be successful in overturning this. now, hearing it's only the first day and it's due to last for three days. well theo, thank you so much for that update . so much for that update. >> and i'm really fascinated to see what the outcome of this is. it's, of course , not the first it's, of course, not the first time has challenged , time this has been challenged, but it'll but hopefully, hopefully it'll

be the last. >> well, you think we should just be able to build anything anywhere so atmosphere. >> well i think i think i think to be honest to make my position clear, everything should clear, i think everything should be more quickly be decided far more quickly than it is now. whether you're pro or against particular against this particular development, the fact it's taken years and years and years to even a decision cost even make a decision has cost loads of weakened our loads of money, weakened our economy and annoyed everyone in the process. >> yes, i mean, just look at hs2 . anyway, coming up, should covid restrictions be reintroduced ? why on earth are reintroduced? why on earth are we asking this? well, a new poll says one fifth of the british pubuc says one fifth of the british public would support them coming back, and that includes younger people, too. we'll discuss that after your headlines with tatiana . tatiana. >> emily, thank you very much. this is the latest from the newsroom. robert jenrick says he wants the rwanda bill to work, adding it's critical to get it up and running. adding it's critical to get it up and running . the former up and running. the former

immigration minister who resigned over the legislation supported the bill during a debate in the house of commons. home secretary james cleverly argued parliament and the british people support the rwanda plan. a home office statement ahead of the crunch vote tonight revealed lgbt people may face some discrimination in rwanda , though discrimination in rwanda, though they should be safe. there right wing conservatives will meet this evening to make that final decision on whether to vote against the safety of rwanda bill or to abstain . mr cleverly bill or to abstain. mr cleverly also touched on the government's success on small boat crossings , success on small boat crossings, as tragically there has been death on the bibby stockholm barge. >> i'm sure that the thoughts of the whole house are like mine are with those affected. the house will understand that at this stage i'm uncomfortable in going into any more details , but going into any more details, but we will of course investigate fully. mr speaker, i beg to move that the bill be now read a second time. this government is stopping the boats arrivals are

down by a third this year as illegal entries are on the rise. elsewhere in europe , shadow home elsewhere in europe, shadow home secretary yvette cooper has criticised the prime minister's leadership in the lead up to the vote this evening. >> we've just got total tory chaos. >> yeah , what a fine mess this week. >> prime minister has got them all into and got the country into as well, tearing lumps out of each other over a failing policy while they let the country down. we've had a home secretary sacked an immigration minister resigning and they've spent almost £300 million of taxpayers money on rwanda without sending a single person. and the home secretary seemed to confirm today that in fact, that is £400 million. the home secretary's promise, the death of the asylum seeker on the bibby stockholm barge, will be investigated fully . investigated fully. >> the first asylum seekers were brought back to the vessel

docked in dorset in october, around two months after it was evacuated . following the evacuated. following the discovery, discover of legionella bacteria in the water supply . you can get more on all supply. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com . website, gbnews.com. >> thanks, tatiana . now an >> thanks, tatiana. now an emergency budget meeting has taken place in birmingham. the city council all sets is setting out a credible plan for addressing a £300 million budget gap over the next two years. >> well, rises in council tax selling off, council owned assets and redundancies are all under consideration to tackle the extremely serious and challenging situation. >> so joining us now with the details is our west midlands reporter jack carson , a £300 reporterjack carson, a £300 million financial black hole . million financial black hole. what's the latest ? yeah well,

what's the latest? yeah well, that £300 million is comes as an increase from . the £177 million increase from. the £177 million that it was reported it was facing over two years as reported in november. >> this is this all comes and these figures all come from the financial reports that since the bankruptcy was declared in september, have been released every month, giving us those updates on the serious state and condition of birmingham city council's finances. so this latest report, which was agreed to and its recommendations agreed to today in that meeting by the council, sets out what are basically what essentially they've been able to achieve so far. so for 2024, 2025, that yearit far. so for 2024, 2025, that year it was reported that they need to find around £165 million worth of savings they've so far managed, they say, to find £150 million worth £72.8 million of those savings come in. services reductions. now there's no key indicator of what services exactly those cuts are going to

be part of. so there is some ambiguity and certainly some anxiety felt by the residents here is they don't really know what services are particularly going to be cut. but the recommendations within the report that have been agreed to by that cabinet meeting today at the council also say that they should write to the department for levelling up housing and communities to requesting that they can increase their council tax level next year in next year's budget, above the maximum rise you're allowed as a rise that you're allowed as a local authority of 4.99. now across the country, as we've seen other councils go bankrupt, they have in some cases risen council tax by ten or even 15. that of course, directly hits the pockets of the residents of this city. but they've also agreed to ask permission from the department for levelling up. and the secretary of state, of course, michael gove, for permission for capitalisation direction . that essentially direction. that essentially means permission to start selling off their assets and also borrow money in order to, of course, not only cover off the deficit of £87 million that

they've had over this last year, but also, of course, that £800 million deficit in equal pay liabilities. now million deficit in equal pay liabilities . now councillor liabilities. now councillor robert alden is the leader of the opposition here at the council. he gave his reaction to that cabinet meeting. to me a little bit earlier on, but a labour administration here in birmingham to admit birmingham has had to admit the unprecedented got unprecedented situation it's got itself into. >> negative reserves >> we've got negative reserves here of six here in birmingham of minus six hundred and 78 million. labour are looking to make 300 million worth of savings over the next few years from the budget. and today admitted they're today they've admitted they're going set a deficit going to look to set a deficit budget year. means budget next year. that means they're look to they're going to look to capitalise expenditure from capitalise the expenditure from next of next year's budget instead of making balance making savings to balance the budget. into context budget. to put it into context of how you might think about it at like taking out at home, it's like taking out a loan to pay off your mortgage. this is not a way to sustainably run yeah so run a business. yeah so councillor john cotton is the leader of birmingham city council that this council said that this council and cabinet focussed on and his cabinet are focussed on the at hand. and his cabinet are focussed on the they|t hand. and his cabinet are focussed on the they say|nd. and his cabinet are focussed on the they say that they are trying >> they say that they are trying to transparent and, you know, to be transparent and, you know, take consideration the take into consideration the wishes birmingham residents take into consideration the wishesthis3irmingham residents take into consideration the wishesthis wholegham residents take into consideration the

wishesthis whole processsidents take into consideration the wishesthis whole process and1ts along this whole process and part of that process, including what assets they're going to sell off, will be done by a committee and a cabinet chaired by him specifically just for looking what properties the looking at what properties the city might what they might city owns might what they might well sell off. so still a lot of decisions to be made here in the city and that the council, goodness me, what a mess. >> what mismanagement. well, jack carson thank you so much for bringing us the very latest. neither they. they're not. neither are they. they're not. >> nottingham >> we've got nottingham city council looking to cut council as well looking to cut services their services because of their financial strain. but there you go. after the break, we'll be joined by our look joined by our panel to look ahead to crucial vote ahead to the crucial vote happening evening. don't go

>> the camilla tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on. gb news. good afternoon, britain. it is 241 and there is currently the most extraordinary debate in the most extraordinary debate in the house of commons, all leading up to a crucial vote at 7 pm. this evening on the totemic piece of legislation before the house, the safety of rwanda bill. well, here's some live pictures from the commons now . but to discuss live pictures from the commons now. but to discuss it, we're joined by the broadcaster and historian david oldroyd bolt and the former labour mp bill rammell . rammell. >> okay, there's been a bit of a will. he won't he, bill about robert jenrick? will he vote against this bill? of course he did resign over it and the huge legal migration figures as well . legal migration figures as well. that was part of the reason in

his letter. if robert jenrick does vote again against the government on this, do you think a lot of mps might go with him? i mean, who knows and who knows about robert jenrick? >> you know, he's been on a journey. he was originally put in the home office to sit on suella braverman and now suella braverman and he's now coming hard right coming out as a hard right apostle of harsher immigration controls, particularly with regard that's right. regard to rwanda. that's right. i'm not sure which way he's going to go if you ask for my gut instinct now , listening, gut instinct now, listening, reading ruins , i think the reading the ruins, i think the government will win with not too huge a rebellion in terms of numbers voting against. >> and david, it all comes down to these promises or otherwise , to these promises or otherwise, as in what happens in the committee stage of the bill's passage through parliament. it's, i suppose a number of mps still haven't made their mind up as to whether vote against abstain. there's another option or vote for with the hope it gets changed later. yes as for mr jenrick, i think this is mrjenrick, i think this is a rather strategic thing. he's

trying to set himself up as being a hardliner so that when he makes a leadership bid later on, he can say, look, i was i was right there as to the alteration of the building committee, i think olivia utley mentioned earlier that a lot depends lords. i think depends on the lords. i think there's to be a huge there's going to be a huge amount of opposition there to this any amendment that this bill. so any amendment that the could just the commons makes, it could just go forth and and go back and forth and back and forth. whether it comes to parliament acting, it would be an extra ordinary thing to do. and parliament course and the parliament act of course would lords, yes, would override the lords, yes, but only after a year. yes, it would be enough time left in this parliament. you could just about through about squeeze it through if there's very last minute in there's a very last minute in january 2025. but i mean, that would be an extraordinary thing to do on an extraordinarily weak bill. so i don't think that they'd time on it. they'd waste the time on it. >> think eventually will >> i think eventually it will just canned. just be tinned canned. >> you're not the first person to have suggested that robert jenrick manoeuvres jenrick might be on manoeuvres and he's looking the and that's why he's looking the stance bill. stance on this bill. >> it necessarily a weak >> is it necessarily a weak bill, though? >> it's got a notwithstanding clause the human clause that knocks out the human rights like rights act. that seems like a pretty profound the

pretty profound thing for the government, if its success government, even if its success awful its own terms. awful in its own terms. >> it's going to be a handful of people sent rwanda. people who are sent to rwanda. thatis people who are sent to rwanda. that is not a deterrent for the tens of thousands of people who that is not a deterrent for the ten�*cominngands of people who that is not a deterrent for the ten�*coming halfwayf people who that is not a deterrent for the ten�*coming halfway across.e who that is not a deterrent for the ten�*coming halfway across the ho are coming halfway across the globe try come here illegally. >> i think that's entirely the point. >> it will be a drop in the ocean. well, goodness me before we much on we have too much agreement on our shall move on to our panel, shall we move on to another story we've been another big story we've been teasing this one a little bit through the day because some extraordinary come through the day because some extrao from y come through the day because some extrao from more come through the day because some extrao from more in come through the day because some extrao from more in common. e through the day because some extrao from more in common. the about from more in common. the research organisation, which has found surprising number found that a surprising number of brits want to bring back covid restrictions. >> yes , although the caveat is >> yes, although the caveat is if the country's health situation mission demanded it, but still a fifth of the british pubuc but still a fifth of the british public would support covid restrictions being reintroduced clearly we haven't been that traumatised. then bill. >> well, i mean, if you look at the poll, it's a bit theoretical. it says if there was a future pandemic , would you was a future pandemic, would you favour the return of restrictions ? and even then restrictions? and even then amongst all age groups it's a

majority saying no, we wouldn't favour the return of restrictions . i think if push restrictions. i think if push came to shove and we did experience another covid, then i think most people would accept a return of restrictions . return of restrictions. >> but if it was made illegal to go outside of your home at specific situations, then yes, i guess they would have to accept them. but do you do you genuinely think that people would be willing to lock down ' 7 m. again? >> i think they would. but heavily caveated. i think there'd be much more there'd be a much more deterministic approach saying that, for example , completely that, for example, completely shutting schools on any cost benefit analysis is really not worth it. i think for certain key businesses there'd be a push to keep them open . but i think to keep them open. but i think the other interesting thing within the research is and you're absolutely right, there is that bias towards its millennials who are saying that they they want the return of restrictions . and bluntly, i see restrictions. and bluntly, i see that all the time in terms of

the attitude of young people, in terms of going to work, being in the workplace on a regular basis. i really don't think it's good for young people in terms of their mental health, in terms of their mental health, in terms of their mental health, in terms of their future career aspirations to be constantly working from home and also to meet, you know, a partner. >> yeah, yeah. how are how are young people going to meet someone to settle down with if they so wish? if they're always at home? but david, why do you think it's that younger group that group, 25 to that millennial group, 25 to 42 who are most likely to want who are the most likely to want restrictions ? restrictions back? >> bluntly, because they're far less with the spirit less imbued with the spirit of liberty older generations. liberty than older generations. i think it was absolutely obvious during the pandemic every bit of polling showed that the younger people were much more to support more likely to support maintenance and extension of restrictions don't have restrictions. they don't have the same thirst for freedom and liberty same interest, liberty and the same interest, bafic liberty and the same interest, basic knowledge this is the basic knowledge that this is the necessary obvious of necessary and obvious part of life that we must cherish above all, do you think it's because they think it's the nice thing to say, or do i think there is

an aspect of that? >> but also i just think quite genuinely, the political culture of younger generations much of younger generations is much less with freedom . less concerned with freedom. do you is that different you think it is that different because some polling because i did see some polling dunng because i did see some polling during covid that showed that it was students that was university students that were in favour of were the least in favour of restriction? well, university student yes , but these are 25 to student yes, but these are 25 to 40. interesting distinction there. but also, of course we did super majorities did see super majorities in favour restrictions favour of all the restrictions when i suppose this is when it came. i suppose this is all theoretical you all theoretical when you actually television actually see on your television screens, hospitals overflowing in that changes in northern italy that changes minds and people perhaps read revisit what their view might be, particularly if that's being pushed by the government. >> is an extremist point of view i >>i -- >> i quite simply hope that if an extreme point of view to actually protect people's lives, people don't need their lives protecting, they were already making their own decisions before to do before lockdowns came in to do that themselves. that for themselves. >> i hope that ever we do >> and i hope that if ever we do suffer pandemic of the suffer another pandemic of the sort. we before, the british sort. we had before, the british people not allow people would not allow themselves their themselves to have their liberties as they liberties curtailed as they did. >> i think hadn't had the

>> i think if we hadn't had the degree restrictions that we degree of restrictions that we did, of thousands did, many tens of thousands more people died. people would have died. now you might so but not might say so what? but not supported by any data from anywhere around the world where they do what we did. they did not do what we did. >> you may think it it's not >> so you may think it it's not supported data. supported by data. >> quoting, for >> if you're quoting, for example, sweden, sweden's position practice has position and its practice has been miscarry . vectorised been very miscarry. vectorised there a lot of effective there were a lot of effective restrictions in place. >> i'm also thinking of florida and wyoming and nebraska and places. >> these places did have higher death rates than comparable. so sweden , whilst it had lower sweden, whilst it had lower death rates than the uk, higher than norway, higher than denmark , now now , higher than finland. now now it might be legitimate to argue thatis it might be legitimate to argue that is a price that we pay for liberty, but i think it is hard to argue against the idea that if you stop people mixing, you get less transmission of viruses. >> but well, i come to down the simple point. it should be something that people decide for themselves that families themselves and that families decide themselves . decide for themselves. >> should not ever have >> and you should not ever have seen where seen a situation often where dying separated from dying people were separated from their families. >> at moment of death. it

>> at the moment of death. it was and unforgiving . was inhumane and unforgiving. >> there was a huge amount. >> wasn't wasn't >> it wasn't it wasn't unforgivable. that's an entirely it's position, you it's an absolutist position, you know? we insist, for know? yes, it is. we insist, for example, we people wear example, that we people wear seatbelts cars. we seatbelts in their cars. we insist they drive on the left hand of the road. there are hand side of the road. there are certain things, and particularly in health crisis . are you in a health crisis. are you comparing the inhumanity of separating from their separating people from their families of death families at the point of death to a seatbelt in car ? to wearing a seatbelt in a car? >> because that is an absurd comparison. >> no, no, i'm saying that there are all sorts of restrictions that are put in place. and if you live in a civilised society, you live in a civilised society, you have to have rules and you have to balance. now, have to have balance. now, i think were downsides to think there were downsides to the of lockdown had, the degree of lockdown we had, but the absolute leftist position that you just articulated that people articulated did that people there should be no restrictions and people should decide for themselves. think is dangerous themselves. i think is dangerous folly. right. >> i want to get both of >> well, i want to get both of your views what the cabinet your views on what the cabinet office minister, john glen, has said about the civil service. he says the civil service needs more geographic diversity and so

jobs should be moved out of london faster. jobs should be moved out of london faster . so suggested hubs london faster. so suggested hubs in aberdeen, darlington greater manchester should more civil servants be moved bill to other areas of the country ? areas of the country? >> well, they always have been. you know, when i was a minister i travelled regularly to sheffield and darlington, where we a significant number of we had a significant number of civil servants. but there are limits, you know, london is one of the top five global cities and are reasons that and there are reasons that organisations, all sorts of organisations, all sorts of organisations , including organisations, including government their their government base their their staff here. and you know, when it comes to senior civil servants and this would impact upon them, they have to be in london because westminster, the house commons is in and the house of commons is in and the house of commons is in and the house of commons is in and the house of lords is in london and they need interaction with government ministers. so you know, i think you need balance. but the idea that you can just flood the country with civil servants is an unrealistic proposition. david i suppose we can't really uninvent the concept of a capital city.

>> there is there is utility to having certain decision makers in one place. yeah, there is. >> i know that one of the proposals is to move the department of energy and net zero out to aberdeen. just keep the net zero bit going and going and going until they get the and going until they get to the outer hebrides then off and going until they get to the out electricitys then off and going until they get to the out electricity and then off and going until they get to the out electricity and leave off and going until they get to the out electricity and leave themff the electricity and leave them there so they can't damage the country any more. as to the senior servants in senior civil servants being in london, obvious. but the london, that is obvious. but the idea we're somehow going to idea that we're somehow going to improve the economies of depnved improve the economies of deprived the country by deprived parts of the country by increasing work increasing public sector work when that is the strategy that gordon tony blair gordon brown and tony blair followed for years the followed for 13 years that the tories have followed for another 13 years. and has 13 years. and that has meant that seen that actually you've seen a great public sector great rise in public sector employment without the employment with without the concomitant in private concomitant rise in private sector david, the goal is moving >> so david, the goal is moving 22,000 jobs of london. 22,000 jobs out of london. that's been brought forward from 2030 to 2027. you'd say just scrap those 22,000 jobs, encourage private sector employment, get some entrepreneurial ism going in depnved entrepreneurial ism going in deprived areas so that we actually grow as a nation rather than stagnating as we have for a quarter of a century. >> but the policy is underpinned

by notion of by this crude notion of a north—south divide. was north—south divide. i was watching question time on another channel and another channel last week, and it based in doncaster and it was based in doncaster and there was guy in the audience there was a guy in the audience going through the rehearsal of all the problems that doncaster had in terms of gut cuts in government funding, lack of investment and lack of highway shops being opened and i thought you could have been talking about my former constituency of harlow in essex in the south—east. so the idea that we've got this crude north—south divide, i think is wrong. and the idea that you're going to solve the problem by just moving civil servants out of london is unrealistic and is not desirable, particularly when it comes to deprivation. >> find of >> you find pockets of deprivation than just deprivation and more than just pockets across the entire country . it's certainly not country. it's certainly not a north south thing. >> yes, particularly coastal areas. instance , we know areas. for instance, we know and have known decades that have known for many decades that one of the most deprived parts of country the coastal of the country is the coastal strip around from the strip going around from the south the east up to south up the east coast up to scotland. how about scotland. so how about addressing sort of thing?

addressing that sort of thing? >> with bill that there >> i agree with bill that there is no north—south divide. it's about between those about the gap between those prosperous there prosperous towns where there are lots opportunities jobs, lots of opportunities for jobs, particularly in private particularly in the private sector. those of sector. and those parts of the country where industries country where those industries do frankly, to some extent, >> and frankly, to some extent, there's there's population there's a there's a population thing. london is thing. you know, london is a global of 10 million global city of 10 million people, not single people, not a single city anywhere else uk comes anywhere else in the uk comes close. perhaps if we let you know, manchester, liverpool, if we connecting charles we built that connecting charles line, think they want call line, i think they want to call it west and make that one it east west and make that one economic could be economic area that could be a counterbalance. but it counterbalance. but, but it seems like you would be great. >> i mean look at germany. you have such so many different areas where booming. you areas where there's booming. you should have another of 10 should have another city of 10 million people. yes. okay. i think going to think we're going to take a quick look at the house of commons, where the debate is still we're not. still raging on. no, we're not. that end of the show. that is the end of the show. thank you very much for joining us good afternoon, britain, us on. good afternoon, britain, and you, bill and thank you to you, bill rammell david oldroyd bolt rammell and david oldroyd bolt yes, thank you much. i got yes, thank you very much. i got your correct there. thank your name correct there. thank your name correct there. thank you much. you very much. it's been a fantastic show. >> it has. and don't don't forget around forget to stick around with us on gb news. up until

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