trust to tonight, who do you trust to build more houses in 2019.7 this government promised to build 300,000 new properties per year , 300,000 new properties per year, but they have yet to hit that target. now they're going to let local councils off the hook from these targets. why could it possibly be so that conservative mps can win over their nimby constituents before an election and what has happened to university students? even the very brightest, university students? even the very brightest , those at oxford very brightest, those at oxford and cambridge, are being allowed time off and the use of tech to write essays because they cannot cope with the demands of their courses. why do they feel like this now . want to hear from you? this now. want to hear from you? of course. as always . but also of course. as always. but also we're going to tackle a lot more topics with two fantastic guests this evening. we've got first, though, the news with polly middleton first .

middleton first. >> bev, thank you and good evening to you. well police are appealing for help to find a missing mother of three in norfolk for footage has been released of gaynor lord, who was last seen on cctv tv in norwich on friday. police are hoping this video , if you're watching this video, if you're watching on tv, of the 55 year old, may jog on tv, of the 55 year old, may jog the memory of some of the passers by. her coat has been discovered in the river wensum that runs through the park and police are saying it is likely she may have entered the water and underwater teams have today, we know been searching the area. >> we are continuing in the work that we have been doing since friday night here at wensum park conducting searches both on land and in the water. today, we've been joined by a specialist dive team who are in the water now and they're supporting the search in terms of getting into those deeper parts of the river wensum , which then obviously wensum, which then obviously supports all of the search work that we've already done here at

the river. >> tory infighting was the focus of today's christmas themed prime minister's questions. the final session of the year as well. 38 rebel conservative mps choosing to abstain last night from a vote on the safety of rwanda bill. it passed, though with a majority of 44. the labour leader, sir keir starmer, took aim, accusing the government of being in meltdown . government of being in meltdown. but rishi sunak hit back , saying but rishi sunak hit back, saying the numbers on migration and the economy speak for themselves is down by a third. >> and crucially, as we heard from honourable friend tax cuts coming to help working families in the new year , mr speaker, he in the new year, mr speaker, he can spin it all he likes, but the whole country can see that yet again. >> the tory party is in meltdown and everyone else is paying the price . now he's kicked the can. price. now he's kicked the can. >> he kicked the can down the road, but in the last week his his mps, his mps have said of him he's not capable enough.

>> he's inexperienced, he's arrogant. a really bad politician . politician. >> well, last night's result was a welcome victory for the prime minister. but some conservatives have warned they'll still vote against the third reading of the draft earned a law in the new year unless it's significantly amended. they're saying it's because they want to ensure asylum seekers can be deported to the east african nation before the next election. the former immigration minister, robert jenrick, who resigned last week over the bill, was among those to abstain last night. well the public expect us to secure our borders , so i'll to secure our borders, so i'll always fight for that and i'm pleased that it sounds as if there's a way forward where we can make the bill better and you're going to be able to persuade the prime minister to change all. change the bill at all. >> well, certainly hope so. he >> well, i certainly hope so. he shares my determination fight shares my determination to fight this issue. migration is this issue. illegal migration is one great scourges our one of the great scourges of our time. it's doing untold damage to our country, and we're determined it. to our country, and we're detamined it. to our country, and we're deta manj it. to our country, and we're deta man who it. to our country, and we're deta man who strangled >> a man who strangled a

pensioner to death and went on a spending spree with her savings has been jailed for at least 31 years. 71 year old susan haughey was tortured in her north—west london home by 24 year old zahawi coward. he forced her to give up her bank cards, pin number, and then he and his girlfriend, chelsea grant, number, and then he and his girlfriend, chelsea grant , then girlfriend, chelsea grant, then spent £13,000 of her money. just hours later on luxury goods . hours later on luxury goods. grant has been jailed for 15 years . greater manchester has years. greater manchester has scrapped a controversial scheme for a clean air zone . the mayor, for a clean air zone. the mayor, andy burnham, is promising drivers won't have to pay to use roads as he unveils alternative plans to control air pollution in the city. instead, leaders say investment in buses and taxis will bring clean air to the region much faster than charging drivers . just over £50 charging drivers. just over £50 million is earmarked for electric buses and 30 million in

grants for cleaner taxis . city grants for cleaner taxis. city leaders have pledged to achieve of air pollution targets by 2025. that's a full year earlier than planned . that's the news than planned. that's the news from gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> good evening. welcome to dewbs& co. it's me, bev turner. tonight, my panel are here with me, which is just as well because i've been talking for 2.5 hours this morning and i might have dried up with what to say tonight. conservative life peer mep jacqueline peer and former mep jacqueline foster here and former editor foster is here and former editor of i of labourlist peter edwards. i want you as well. want to hear from you as well. this evening. get in touch with me gbviews@gbnews.com me on email, gbviews@gbnews.com or now known as x. or on twitter, now known as x. but i think for me it will always be twitter at gb news. okay. first up, have you got a nectar card ? well, if you do

nectar card? well, if you do sainsburys have just sold your data to the tune of £300 million and tesco. well they do the same thing. so you might have noticed these mega deals for clubcard members . now these mega deals for clubcard members. now none of this is against but should it against the law, but should it be? your data be? are you okay with your data being in this do you being sold in this way? do you think need new data think we need new data protection laws ? peter, let me protection laws? peter, let me come to you. look like man come to you. you look like a man who a card . who enjoys a club card. >> i have to take that . a >> i didn't have to take that. a man enjoys a club card . man who enjoys a club card. >> maybe like a discount. we >> maybe you like a discount. we all like a discount, doesn't everyone? all love everyone? we all love a discount. isn't it the case discount. and isn't it the case at the moment? will have at the moment? you will have seen as well. the price seen it as well. the price differences in supermarkets at the phenomenal like differences in supermarkets at the example phenomenal like differences in supermarkets at the example thatihenomenal like differences in supermarkets at the example that ienomenal like differences in supermarkets at the example that i used enal like differences in supermarkets at the example that i used just like the example that i used just before news is the fact that before the news is the fact that you get of baileys. you can get a bottle of baileys. i think it was for about £33 and without the card and it was nearly half that price with a card. we go. let me find my card. here we go. let me find my figures. £13. if you've got a nectar card or £22, if you didn't have one at sainsbury's. now do people know why these discounts are so huge and do we

need more awareness of what what these companies then do with our data once we've registered? >> well, the data is another point we'll come to. but i think on pricing, just you know, on the pricing, just you know, we're shoppers, all we're all shoppers, we're all consumers form. we can consumers in one form. we can see why they're doing it, which is if the face of it, there's is if on the face of it, there's a big quote unquote discount, then the customer, is then on the customer, which is us, feels like it's a good deal. now, i understand there now, as i understand it, there are strict rules about how are quite strict rules about how you a you define a discount. so a product has to be available at the rate for x number of the higher rate for x number of days. be 28 days or so days. it may be 28 days or so before the discount kicks in, le. can't double price i.e. you can't double the price for a tin of beans yesterday and then halve it today and claim that's so are that's a discount. so there are already rules that, already some rules against that, but and as you said in but we know and as you said in your intro, supermarkets are acting there's now acting legally, but there's now acting legally, but there's now a differential a much bigger differential between ordinary and between the ordinary price and the loyalty card price like like nectar or tesco, clubcard on the data, which again , i think will data, which again, i think will be a bit controversial . michael be a bit controversial. michael again, there's no suggestion that sainsbury have broken the law, but and i've got a lot of sympathy for sainsbury in some

respects, and i think they generally have good customer service. people try help you, service. people try to help you, they're quite transparent with their certainly we've their pricing. certainly we've all experiences in all had bad experiences in supermarkets i haven't had supermarkets and i haven't had those in sainsbury, those particularly in sainsbury, but think a lot of folk will but i think a lot of folk will feel uncomfortable at data being sold because if it's being sold for 300 million, then even if it's anonymized, it implies that it's anonymized, it implies that it's quite valuable to someone. >> but we don't know enough about it though, peter do we? don't know that this is happening. when we sign up to these loyalty schemes. do you think explicitly says in big think it explicitly says in big enough letters reason enough letters the reason we're giving massive discount giving you this massive discount and manipulating and effectively manipulating you into our clubcard scheme into joining our clubcard scheme is because we're then going to take your data. we're going to sell to advertisers, you're sell it to advertisers, you're going bombarded with stuff going to be bombarded with stuff that might not want. that you might not want. >> i don't think that manipulating is a fair word. it's all whether it's up to all of us whether we're moving a big expense we're moving house a big expense or a smaller contractual arrangement, for arrangement, like signing up for arrangement, like signing up for a read the small a clubcard to read the small print. i suspect like, have print. and i suspect like, have you seen how the small you seen how long the small print is?

>> jacqueline i mean, when you get the terms conditions, we get the terms and conditions, we just the box, don't we? and just tick the box, don't we? and they just presume that just tick the box, don't we? and they going just presume that just tick the box, don't we? and they going to ;t presume that just tick the box, don't we? and they going to be resume that just tick the box, don't we? and they going to be resltrust hat them. >> yeah. i mean i think sainsbury is one of the brands i've got a bit more trust in. there are others and i'm not going to list them all. others who extremely negative who i have extremely negative view but ultimately is view on. but ultimately it is down because it's a trade down to us because it's a trade off between saving a little bit off between saving a little bit of money, which kind of compared to ago, our weekly to ten years ago, all our weekly shopping is much more painful financially saving a little bit of money what we're of money versus what we're signing away. >> jacqueline find it >> jacqueline i always find it fascinating when hear people fascinating when i hear people who themselves to who would deem themselves to be on left what that on the political left what that even anymore kind even means anymore, kind of trusting in huge trusting and in huge corporations and advocating for this sort of system . this sort of system. >> well, i'm not advocating for it , but i'm >> well, i'm not advocating for it, but i'm saying. >> but you're defending sainsbury's for pulling the wool over our or the. over our eyes or the. >> well, why do you why do you use that phrase pulling the wool over our eyes if they're acting within the law because well, maybe is this the point maybe this is this is the point isn't it. >> maybe as consumer owners, we need that we are making

need to feel that we are making these decisions absolute these decisions with absolute informed our informed consent about where our data informed consent about where our datjacqueline think this >> jacqueline well, i think this is you can't put genie is now you can't put the genie genie in the bottle. this genie back in the bottle. this isn't just about supermarkets. if travel insurance if you've got travel insurance and you've got health insurance and you've got health insurance and you've got health insurance and you've insurance, and you've got home insurance, you that all of these you will find that all of these companies and building societies two the tax , very often it two in the tax, very often it will say by the time you find it that some of the information, not all of it will be sold to third parties. they will have access to it. so it's been around for a long time in terms of when you look at the loyalty cards, i have no issue at all. i am a free marketeer and i'm going to choose if i've got a sainsbury's or whoever it might be near me. then as a shopper, if i want to get the best deal i can, if i want a loyalty card and i accept that there will be again some information that will go towards a third party, but there's not a great deal of personal information that they take off. you to get that card, actually, because funnily enough, recently got one. enough, i only recently got one. probably should have got it years because. but that's

so. 50. >> so. >> but presumably you got that because shopping and because you're shopping and seeing massive difference in prices. >> yeah i so on some on some items i saw that there was quite considerable discount . well considerable discount. well that's fine. i mean people go to wholesale fairs and they get cards to go to wholesalers because they know that they'll get a discount. so i haven't got a huge issue with this at all. it's widespread. it's not just the markets. what the supermarket markets. what i do believe where the responsibility lies with companies is to ensure the companies is to ensure in the t and c's in those terms and conditions that at the top of the page it does say to people, you know, you have choice, you you know, you have a choice, you can for this, but do be can sign up for this, but do be aware some of the aware that some of the information you give us, information that you give us, you will be sold on to you you know, will be sold on to you see, those differences in see, with those differences in prices, people can't afford not to up. to sign up. >> i mean, another example i gave you the bottle of baileys, but the other example, a kilo of beef sold at £41, 88, a £15 for a joint of beef or £7 with a loyalty card. so there is no

choice. that's not a choice you have because you give your data. >> well, i'm sorry, but you might be able to go to the supermarket next door and get it for £7. anyway, i think it's about consumer choice and it's about consumer choice and it's about looking and i think about looking around and i think people quite think people do shop quite i think people do shop quite i think people savvy , actually. >> but if they but if they can sell it next door for £7, why can't sainsbury's it for £7 can't sainsbury's sell it for £7 and buy your data. and not buy your data. >> i don't know. i mean, you know, i'm not an expert in the in the retail trade market, but as shopper, you know, as a shopper, you know, sometimes somewhere sometimes you'll go somewhere and a bit more and it may be a bit more expensive, you that you expensive, but you know that you can the quality. can guarantee the quality. so it's just that price it's not always just that price that's that's on something for a shoppen that's that's on something for a shopper. what you want to do if i'm buying food, for example, i want to make sure i can eat all of that food. i don't want to really go and pay and buy something and then find you cook this food. and it's actually pretty awful or pretty hit and miss. yeah. so it's not then good for money. i think good value for money. i think this of issue. this this sort of this issue. >> though how >> peter though about how beholden to tech now it

beholden we are to tech now it ties into this other story recently about this uk recently which was about this uk government said that we're government has said that we're at high of a catastrophic at a high risk of a catastrophic ransomware that could ransomware attack that could bnng ransomware attack that could bring the country to a standstill. this damning report , standstill. this damning report, joint committee, national security strategy , has said security strategy, has said that, and i will predict now and i don't mind saying the tv i don't mind saying on the tv that 2024, i think the next that in 2024, i think the next pandemic is to be pandemic is going to be a massive cyber attack that will probably bring of our probably bring down most of our services that we are now relying on. we rely on them. and i think the way out of that is going to be, you have to load up your biometric digital id and then you can get back on the internet. but i feel like the british public don't have enough awareness of this. are you frightened by the idea of a catastrophic ransomware attack, the virus to be all viruses? >> we've got to speak responsibly and we've got to be ensure that everyone watching and all of us as individuals are resilient and aware of the risks without triggering alarm. so of

course, there are attempted cyber attacks on britain all the time , whether they're small time, whether they're small companies and charities, because they're seen as easy big companies, because they're seen as rich, or the nhs in recent years as well. i think what we're hearing and is not going to be a top three issue on the doorstep going into the general election. what we heard a lot more from the government in the last weeks is about last couple of weeks is about resilience. and oliver dowden, the de facto deputy prime minister, statement minister, gave a statement a week or ago a week or two ago on a very similar point. struck by similar point. i was struck by this report because we know that there's a major economy and we're a very good we're not in a very good relationship with russia because we're not in a very good reltheirship with russia because we're not in a very good reltheir evil with russia because we're not in a very good reltheir evil actionsssia because we're not in a very good reltheir evil actions ofa because of their evil actions of vladimir putin that going vladimir putin that we're going to target. was very to be a target. i was very struck this by an struck in this report by an independent house of commons committee saying they're not from right from the left right debate. jackie i said the former jackie and i it said the former home suella home secretary, suella braverman, made cyber braverman, had not made cyber attacks a priority . now we hope attacks a priority. now we hope nothing bad happens , but that nothing bad happens, but that that does look like a pretty big misstep. >> but when you say we've got to be resilient, i mean, oliver dowden was saying we might you

should really have candles in your house because of a cyber attack. and jacqueline, i just thought what we become in thought, what have we become in this strive towards a this move to strive towards a technological this move to strive towards a technolo been risking this move to strive towards a technolobeen risking being actually been risking being a medieval country where our houses are and you can't houses are cold and you can't turn the on. it make turn the lights on. make it make sense jacqueline sense to me. jacqueline >> i can't stand knee jerk and messy edges that go out that alarm the public and they do not need to be alarmed. and of course we need to be aware. and in recent years, actually, i think government, to be fair and i criticise my own government from time to time. people know this watching this show, you know, about 2.5 know, they've invested about 2.5 billion trying to deal with billion on trying to deal with this a couple of this. we have had a couple of examples of this and this was a local authority, i think four years ago. and there were attacked. and know that the attacked. and we know that the nhs times under nhs data at times is under attack, right? do not believe attack, right? i do not believe that we totally unprepared. that we are totally unprepared. we invest heavily this. we're we invest heavily in this. we're extremely good in this. i mean, we're quite world leading in certain areas on cyber i certain areas on cyber attack. i mean, have gchq and we have mean, we have gchq and we have other bodies in this country.

and don't forget, we're part of the which is the five eyes, which is obviously with with america new zealand, australia, canada and we are pre—eminent in intelligence . so i think we do intelligence. so i think we do everything that we can to try and mitigate it. that does not mean to say something can't happen, but then you look at the number of times that they will have managed to block this and we don't hear about that, but they are very successful at doing it. so you're quite right. of course, you've always got to be aware and we ourselves , i be aware and we ourselves, i think the banks have done rather well in recent years and some other organisations where they are trying to say, don't get caughtin are trying to say, don't get caught in with an email here or because it's all it all boils into fraud and all of this sort of stuff and people being caught out. so no, i'm not a knee jerker. we will obviously do everything we can and we have to take personal responses, ability to make sure that we don't get caught out. but i do think government, you know, party politics aside, i think government, they are on it doesn't mean to say something

can't through it. it's not can't get through it. it's not just it's also china. just russia. it's also china. it's also other countries as well. we know that we are targeted. and so is the west generally. and so i just think we just need to be aware that and then carry on and enjoy our lives. >> well, look what you've been saying at home, trevor said, i've got nectar card. got i've got a nectar card. i got £137 since last christmas. i don't care who gets my i don't care who gets my data, i just where what i want . just buy where and what i want. and simon says tesco started all this off. first, their television advert showed a lady going round zapping different products with clubcard products with a clubcard and they inflated cost they grossly inflated the cost of all their products. but if you happen to have you just happen to have a clubcard, you buy the clubcard, you can buy the product at the original price and then they call it a discount. point discount. that's my point exactly. and beautiful . it exactly. and carl, beautiful. it is discrimination against anyone who doesn't want to have a card like me . exactly. and sharon has like me. exactly. and sharon has said the small print have about 20 conditions plus you need a magnifying glass to read the terms and conditions. so tick that box to say, no, you cannot sell my data . keep your emails

sell my data. keep your emails coming in. vaiews@gbnews.com. okay moving on. a parliamentary report has said that the uk is at high risk of a catastrophic ransomware attack . just mention ransomware attack. just mention that we're going to be discussing it a little bit more in just a moment. are we prepared for a 21st century warfare

successful. they don't like the idea of deporting people from here to protest in rwanda . okay. here to protest in rwanda. okay. >> good evening, here to protest in rwanda. okay. >> good evening , dewbs& co with >> good evening, dewbs& co with me bev turner this evening keeping me company until 7:00. conservative life peer and former mep jacqueline foster and former mep jacqueline foster and former editor of labourlist peter edwards . now we discussed peter edwards. now we discussed this a little bit. we touched uponit this a little bit. we touched upon it before the break, but i am interested to dig into it a little bit more because a parliamentary committee said that britain is vulnerable to cyber attacks cyber and ransomware attacks because planning and because of poor planning and a lack of investment. do you think most people even know what a ransomware is? jacqueline ransomware attack is? jacqueline i'm not sure. i'm entirely sure what a ransomware attack is . what a ransomware attack is. >> no, i don't think people do.

people are that we are people are aware that we are having things like cyber attacks where we hear things like , for where we hear things like, for example, you know, somebody has infiltrated somebody's computer system. and particularly if it's a particularly if it's a government organisation , we'll government organisation, we'll tend to hear about it on the news and stuff. and of course, i think as far as this has become far more sophisticated and we know where the sort of enemies are, i do think that they're having to ratchet it up. they've had to ratchet this up really, i think over the last 2 or 3 years because it's become more apparent. >> i'm just looking at some of those examples, peter. so we had the sellafield nuclear was the sellafield nuclear site was hacked by groups linked to russia and china , and there was russia and china, and there was also an nhs . nearly a million also an nhs. nearly a million nhs patients details compromised after a cyber attack and ransomware on the university of manchester affected nhs patient data set . now manchester affected nhs patient data set. now this is this is

what worries me and i understand and i'm not a complete luddite and i'm not a complete luddite and i'm not a complete luddite and i know we have to move with the times and i understand there are ways in which the are many ways in which the digital world helps organise humanity that. but humanity. see, i get that. but i also think it renders us incredibly vulnerable and that that kind of keeps me awake at night. >> well, i think there are a couple of changes. and by the way, i've been to sellafield and there aren't great tubs of green goo to stare into it feels relatively secure. i went as a trainee reporter, but obviously there was an issue alluded to, obviously completely obviously that's completely different to again, we different to a leak. again, we don't up don't want to put the wind up people, think first of people, but i think first of all, it used to be in the 70s 80s, all, it used to be in the 70s 805, it all, it used to be in the 70s 80s, it was it was just criminals that wanted do criminals that wanted to do nasty things us. we've all nasty things to us. we've all heard of brink's—mat robberies or they'd into bank try heard of brink's—mat robberies or tisteal into bank try heard of brink's—mat robberies or tisteal yourto bank try heard of brink's—mat robberies or tisteal your money.|k try heard of brink's—mat robberies or tisteal your money. it's try heard of brink's—mat robberies or tisteal your money. it's notry and steal your money. it's not just criminals. days. it's just criminals. these days. it's what they call foreign nation states, hostile states or might be russian hackers allied to the state where the state turns a blind eye and consequently, they've got much more power and

incentive to kind of do nasty things to british corporations or public bodies. and i think the other one is you alluded to earlier is all our kind of reliance on technology as part of our lives. and i'll give you one example, which, you know, again, is there's nothing sinister. but i was on a train the other day and it stopped immediately in a station in waterloo. get waterloo. it didn't get anywhere. the announcement said waterloo. it didn't get any driver the announcement said waterloo. it didn't get any driver tigoing ouncement said waterloo. it didn't get any driver tigoing to 1cement said waterloo. it didn't get any driver tigoing to rebootit said the driver is going to reboot the driver is going to reboot the . and i the driver is going to reboot the .and i didn't the driver is going to reboot the . and i didn't know you the train. and i didn't know you could reboot a train. >> on and off again, i do >> so on and off again, i do that my computer. that to my computer. >> but, you know, the lights went off and the digital display went off and the digital display went you a kind went black and you heard a kind of rumbling noise, which i and then was rebooted. and then the train was rebooted. and i mean, we still got kicked off anyway, it shows to lay anyway, but it shows to lay people me how parts of people like me how key parts of british rely on british infrastructure rely on it. security. it. and internet security. >> you're on an armed >> when you're on an armed forces committee, aren't you, jacqueline? probably hear jacqueline? so you probably hear the other side of this and should i be able to sleep at night and think that this country has got us protected in this area ? this area? >> yes, i think you should. i am. and i'm not blase about

these things . sellafield these things. sellafield actually was in my region when i was a member of the european parliament. and we know, of course, that these sorts of places are going to be targets for foreign hostile country . places are going to be targets for foreign hostile country. his but no, we are very we're very fortunate actually , because we fortunate actually, because we do meet the heads, the chiefs of staff in all the forces and so we do get information which is not really viable really to put out into the public arena . but out into the public arena. but we are very good at what we do. and i mean , there are those in and i mean, there are those in all of the forces, whether it's the raf or the royal navy or the or the army actually , and the or the army actually, and the way they all work together for certainly to deal with these sort of hostile forces and these, you know, attacks that they try and deal with with cyberis they try and deal with with cyber is phenomenal. so i'm not i don't lose any sleep at all.

as i said, i'd never take anything for granted, but i certainly think we have the personnel and i think we have the wherewithal and i think that they are the top of their game. >> so, um, peter, i'm not sure we'd be any safer hands if keir starmer was in number 10. >> do you think he understands enough about this sort of digital landscape? >> well, look, i don't make anything party political. i think keir starmer is a serious quy- think keir starmer is a serious guy. he was a barrister. he showed. whether you agree with his policies or not, he showed his policies or not, he showed his hard working on top of the detail and he's truthful and he's rigorous. so i think all those things really matter. but let's and put party politics let's try and put party politics aside work in aside and this work in government, obviously it would be led by ministers, but lots of the detail and this is one of the detail and this is one of the most complex areas will be delivered by civil servants and maybe specialists who are hired from the private sector to work as part of government. from the private sector to work as part of government . and of as part of government. and of all the things that come up, you know, in the back and forth of politics, this is one of the

most sensitive and specialist areas. and i think it's about supporting the civil service rather undermining them and rather than undermining them and getting set in. we getting the skill set in. we know when civil servants have taken a bit of a battering from some politicians. >> you think maybe i mean, >> do you think maybe i mean, one criticisms from this one of the criticisms from this committee suella committee was that suella braverman spent a lot of time worrying about she says she's she's showed no interest in ransomware, clear political priorities, given instead to other issues, such as illegal migration and small boats. >> a great point. >> well, that's a great point. and i think, you people and i think, you know, people like or the public, we don't like me or the public, we don't feel outrage suella braverman feel outrage at suella braverman has views us has different views to us because, know , we're we're because, you know, we're we're all a mix of different views. the concern about suella braverman pursuing braverman that she was pursuing pet projects and particularly dreadful one in my mind, like rwanda, where we might deal with 28,000 illegal crossings by sending 1 to 200 to rwanda. so it comes back to that question, same of david cameron seven, eight, nine years ago, pre covid. are we dealing with the stuff that really matters and

keeps us secure or are we deaung keeps us secure or are we dealing with the stuff that will titillate and excite certain newspapers? >> so you might say, jacqueline, we've got that covered. the security, the cyber warfare. >> i believe it's covered, frankly . and also then to frankly. and also then to actually then target suella braverman if you're looking at national security and you have thousands of people coming into this country with no paperwork arriving on the beach at certain times and we have no idea who they are, where they're from, half of the time. i mean, that is national security and the primary purpose of the government is to clearly try and make sure that, you know, actually who's coming in, because that is also a massive threat. of course, you've got cyber security on one side, but you also have to have that physical security as well . and physical security as well. and that's why i don't believe that suella was not focusing on the right things. i think she was focusing on the right things and were trying to focus on the right and spent an right things. and we spent an awful lot time trying to get awful lot of time trying to get through legislation that can try and protect the public, which

has nightmare. and protect the public, which has nevertheless nightmare. and protect the public, which has nevertheless , nightmare. and protect the public, which has nevertheless , no, nightmare. and protect the public, which has nevertheless , no, i ghtmare. and protect the public, which has nevertheless , no, i thinkare. but nevertheless, no, i think that was a bit of a cheap shot really to accuse her of that, because i not my view , the because i not my view, the independent committee, if i may say even had been a labour say even it had been a labour home secretary i believe home secretary i do not believe then they would be then that they would be favouring one thing over another thing. i just don't believe that's think any that's the case. i think any home secretary, whatever party, that's the case. i think any homevery'etary, whatever party, that's the case. i think any homevery seriously atever party, that's the case. i think any homevery seriously nationalrty, takes very seriously national security and obviously the threats that are now here today that probably weren't here, you know, 20 or 30 years ago, is it just public can see it just that the public can see it and feel a tangible sense of fear of immigrants , asylum fear of immigrants, asylum seekers, immigrants ? seekers, immigrants? >> and yet the idea of cyber warfare is just we can't picture it. >> peter yeah, well, i don't have a tangible fear of asylum seekers. >> that's not irreconcilable with wanting safe and secure borders and a functioning system without backlogs. but i'm not terrified of asylum seekers. i'd imagine the, the man or woman on the street, we're all worried about crime. um, so , okay, well,

about crime. um, so, okay, well, let's, let's just take it in that, in that direction then, because i think a lot i think a lot of people well, we know for a fact that a lot of people are worried about. >> what about that, jacqueline? you know, particularly the protests we've seen about having asylum in asylum seeker hotels in in people's towns. >> well, because is the >> well, because this is the whole the primary purpose whole point. the primary purpose . so i'll repeat again of a government is to secure make sure that you are safe and secure, whether it's bev or whether peter or whether whether it's peter or whether it's primary it's me. that's their primary purpose. you then have purpose. and if you then have thousands of people coming into this country , lee, who are not this country, lee, who are not coming through a legal route, who have not applied for a visa, who've not applied, who are not legitimate, are coming legitimate, but who are coming through with, you know, we've gone over all of this with these people making millions as i've said, the back of misery, said, on the back of misery, because what it because that's actually what it is. in the country, is. and coming in the country, there's paperwork. have no there's no paperwork. we have no idea who they are . and then we idea who they are. and then we know that there have been instances across the country and it's of trying to, you it's not sort of trying to, you know, knee into this. there know, knee jerk into this. there have instances across

have been instances across the country people who country and we have people who have you know, they're have been, you know, they're criminals in country that criminals in the country that they from. then they they have come from. then they disappear wherever. and disappear from wherever. and it's just not good enough. so, of course , not everybody, not of course, not everybody, not everybody that's coming here is going to be a bad person. but what we do know is that many people have been coming here and they've been convicted of other things in countries that things in the countries that they've come from. >> right. well, move >> okay. right. well, we'll move on. looking at some of on. i'm just looking at some of your messages coming in here. i'm going to have a look at a few more than we few more than while we take a quick because coming up quick break, because coming up next, councils will no next, as local councils will no longer forced to set aside longer be forced to set aside greenfield land to meet future housing nation housing needs, are we a nation of nimbys, my back yard. of nimbys, not in my back yard. so go anywhere

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future housing needs under a new planning to be announced planning system to be announced by the by ministers according to the centre of cities, the uk has a backlog of 4.3 million homes and maybe we are a bit too sentimental about greenbelt land. are we a nation of nimbys? jacqueline let me come to you 2019. the conservatives promised that they would build 300,000 houses a year is i think actually they've not done too badly. i have to say. i mean, in 22 to 23, they built 234,000 houses, which is not that shy of their 300,000. but now apparently the councils are being told you're not going to have to push these houses through. you can leave it up to the you make the decisions for yourself. we're not going to hold you. these targets, the cynic in me says that this is because, as they're hoping that there the local there won't be the local controversies which might stop conservative seats conservative mps winning seats in the next election. well genuinely, i don't think it's just about conservative members

of parliament at all. >> it is a nimby situation because councillors are elected whatever party and you know they'll have constituents who'll come and see them and they'll say, you know, we need more housing, we need, you know, we've got families and this village this town's grown. village and this town's grown. and course the councils and then, of course the councils turn around and go, okay, then we've now got a proposition to build 3000 houses wherever, and the people who've the same people who've been lobbying turn lobbying actually will turn around say, oh no, you can't around and say, oh no, you can't build and i think build them here. and i think it's sometimes just a bit between a rock and a hard place. we don't have the same laws in place, a sort of napoleon clause that they have in france where they just basically say, well, we're build houses we're going to build 3000 houses there. tough or we're going we're going to build 3000 houses th

building. but we do need actually the councils to take, i think they can't keep fobbing off saying, well it's, you know, it's central government. it's central government, it's central government can only do so much. but when you get into the whole legal challenges that go on, they're often down at local level. okay, the secretary of state to make a final state might have to make a final decision, it's those on the decision, but it's those on the ground. and think they've ground. and i think they've just got pretty with the got to be pretty tough with the pubuc got to be pretty tough with the public look, we need public to say, look, we need more housing and that's the end of it . of it. >> your e— e your position on this , >> what's your position on this, peter? because we do need more housing does feel like housing and it does feel like every time there is a proposal to build a big new housing estate in a lovely area outside of our major cities, suddenly it gets pulled at the last minute because the locals don't want it. >> sometimes that's the case, but we're in a situation where labour say we should build more houses. are the houses. the tories who are the government should build government say we should build more houses. all of us, all of you.so more houses. all of us, all of you. so we should build more houses. and then so the charities well. charities like shelter as well. this charter for not this is a charter for not building so that will building houses. so that will create a problem in

create a further problem in terms others dispute terms of supply. others dispute it. absolutely think supply it. i absolutely think supply and affects and and demand affects the price and i it's daft to deny that. i think it's daft to deny that. where live in london, the where i live in london, the average price of a starter home is over 400 k, a starter home. yeah well, that used to be someone aged 25. now people like to get their starter home. think they'd be lucky to get one for they'd be lucky to get one for the age of 40. imagine if you're a single person trying to buy your home for over 400 k. your first home for over 400 k. this is a charter for not building houses. course, it's building houses. of course, it's down to the electoral politics. it's nimbyism to a certain extent, although that glosses over a range of issues and sticky moments with 1 or 2 conservative backbenchers. as of course, this is being said now because we're 12 months or fewer off a general election. >> and so go on, elaborate on that a little bit more. what do you that? well i think you mean by that? well i think it's this issue that, as you and jacqueline alluded to, that you can can can have local development can be very unpopular. >> who is >> and michael gove, who is a housing has at times housing secretary has at times objected to housing developments

within constituency . there's within his constituency. there's nothing wrong nothing inherently wrong with that. nothing inherently wrong with that . but because have that. but because mps have a local role and i think that's a good thing that mps have an eye on what's going on in their patch, whether they're red, blue, yellow or snp. but the point is we're not building enough houses and that's consistently been case under consistently been the case under conservative are conservative is there are particular around particular issues around backbenchers trade off backbenchers in a trade off between holding their seat and building housing developments and presiding over and then overall presiding over all this is we reshuffle the all of this is we reshuffle the housing minister on average once every year. so in 13 years of government we've had i can't remember, 13 or 14 remember, it's about 13 or 14 housing ministers over 13 years. crazy >> so how do they get a handle on such a difficult issue when they're only in the job for five minutes and there's also, of course, i just wonder , course, i just wonder, jacqueline, whether there's enough creativity to this issue as we've got so many as well. we've now got so many offices around our offices sitting empty around our cities . do you offices sitting empty around our cities. do you think offices sitting empty around our cities . do you think the will offices sitting empty around our cities. do you think the will is there , whether that is private there, whether that is private or public will to get those properties working for people to

live in them ? live in them? >> i think there's a couple of issues. first of all, the elephant in the room is we have probably had 2 or 3 million people come to this country in the last 3 or 4 years, and it's a complete oxymoron on the one hand, everybody's going, but there's not enough accommodation for anybody that's already here. and same time , the left and at the same time, the left or the labour party go , well, or the labour party go, well, no, we don't want the rwanda scheme don't want this scheme and we don't want this scheme and we don't want this scheme we don't want to try scheme and we don't want to try and tighten up illegal immigration. cetera. et immigration. et cetera. et cetera. sort of cetera. and then you sort of sitting there saying, well, sitting there and saying, well, what do you want? because you need start looking at the need to start looking at the reality. there isn't if there reality. if there isn't if there isn't enough housing people isn't enough housing for people who in this country who are already in this country that to obviously that we're trying to obviously deal with, with all the restrictions that with restrictions that go with that, how you have this open how can you then have this open door policy, which what the door policy, which is what the left's so even more left's policy is? so even more and people in. but if and more people come in. but if you just come to point, you can just come to this point, it's not about house it's not just about house buying, a lot of people buying, because a lot of people when young, we couldn't when i was young, we couldn't buy initially we were buy something initially we were a older and then you're

a bit older and then you're having up. i think there having to save up. i think there are couple things the local are a couple of things the local authorities have a authorities do have a responsibility if you're looking at housing associations. at and housing associations. so we social housing we need more social housing stock. so needs to be more stock. so there needs to be more of that from obviously the of that apart from obviously the private because as private developers, because as peter quite rightly says, if you want be london or want to be around london or greater london area, the costs are huge. but you know, in the north and in other parts of the country, there are quite reasonable places that you can buy. and i also behoves building societies and banks who are the folk that lend the money to come up with much more adventurous schemes. so they can encourage people onto the. >> well, let me answer that point then. i think about all those points. >> so the left wants secure borders, and i'll give you one quick example. more than ten years ago, labour party years ago, the labour party called based called for a points based immigration the immigration system. now the government adopted government have adopted that policy on not really working there, is it? >> jacqueline is. >> jacqueline is. >> you've just forgotten one point because when we when we had enlargement in 2004 and ten

countries joined the european union in all the other countries in the european union, like germany, put a seven year, they put a seven year hold on anybody that came into their countries , that came into their countries, then accessing immediate benefits, housing and all of those things. tony blair's government at that time didn't put the restriction in, and that was what started the ball rolling. >> she's right about give me a right to reply. we won't say jacqueline is not won't take any lectures there. >> i haven't given any lectures, but i think jacqueline jacqueline's on a sticky wicket. if not, first of all, she's going back to events of ten years ago and then going back to events of 20 years ago. lots of data showed that when the eu was enlarged and people came here, data showed that when the eu was enlargto and people came here, data showed that when the eu was enlargto work. )eople came here, data showed that when the eu was enlargto work. the le came here, data showed that when the eu was enlargto work. the reason; here, data showed that when the eu was enlargto work. the reason ihere, data showed that when the eu was enlargto work. the reason i say, came to work. the reason i say jacqueline, is very clever because she knows in her country of people sending of 60 million people sending 100, not a million sending 100 people rwanda has literally people to rwanda has literally no impact on on housing at all. and jacqueline , a bit of myth and jacqueline, a bit of myth making but did challenge me to come up with one solution. so

labour had a policy 7 or 8 years ago called help to build. so george osborne had helped to buy, which up the housing buy, which pumped up the housing market forced up prices and market and forced up prices and allowed for a consumer led boom which supported them to win the 2015 general election. it did nothing to tackle supply or house building . at the same house building. at the same time, labour called for help to build, would be zero build, which would be zero borrowing, repeat zero borrowing. but incentives for banks to lend to individual companies backed by government guarantees. so it's a guarantee system. zero borrowing. build more houses right. >> we've got to take another quick break. i'm afraid you've sent some brilliant emails in. i promise will get to them promise you i will get to them before end of the show. but before the end of the show. but coming as cambridge coming up next, as cambridge university adding university considers adding a reading week in the middle of term oxford university term and oxford university tells their essays their students to write essays via we lowering via ai, are we lowering standards our universities? standards at our universities? and wrong with this and what's wrong with this generation a generation that they can't do a proper undergraduate degree without a week off? without needing a week off? don't anywhere .

tis dewbs& co with me. bev turner this evening. jacqueline foster is still with me and peter edwards. now you've been getting in touch at home. richard has alex said we haven't got a housing crisis. we have an immigration crisis. there's a lot of you saying that. jeff says in basingstoke were being buned says in basingstoke were being buried houses, buried under new houses, uncontrolled development is everywhere. paul , i love everywhere. and paul, i love this point. i don't care if there's housing near me, there's more housing near me, but where are the new roads so that i don't have to sit in the traffic that it generates just because the cities ruined? because the cities are ruined? why countryside be why should the countryside be next? very point. right our next? very good point. right our our final topic of the evening. we producing, it seems, a we are producing, it seems, a generation university student generation of university student snowfall acas cambridge university. that's right. cambridge is considering adding a reading week in the middle of term after campaigners in the student union cited mental health problems associated with weak five blues. meanwhile

students at their rival oxford university have been told that they can use i like a chatgpt tech to help them write the first draft of their essays . first draft of their essays. peter edwards i don't really know where to begin with this story because it makes me worried about the next generation. so tell me why i'm wrong. tell me why this is all okay. >> i had a reading week when i was at university, so in a ten week term and i studied literature. so, you know, if you've got a chunky 6 or 800 page novel to get through having a reading middle is a reading week in the middle is actually ordinary . it's actually pretty ordinary. it's not because they not contentious because they never needed it in cambridge until, as i understand it, it's not necessarily the word need because understand it, because as i understand it, oxford cambridge have because as i understand it, oxford terms.�*nbridge have because as i understand it, oxford terms. they ge have be shorter terms. they used to be eight weeks, most other eight weeks, whereas most other universities i went to universities and i went to a redbrick university where ten weeks. one week out weeks. so knocking one week out of a different and of it has a different impact and they tend not to be classes in week as well. i think it week one as well. i think it also, and i only studied english literature, depends literature, but it also depends on of degree doing. if on the type of degree doing. if you're doing a science degree

and lab all the and you're in a lab all the time, a reading week means something very different. i think other other point, think the other the other point, which in the first year which is in the first year university tough and university life can be tough and it's tougher 20 it's probably tougher than 20 years despite face. years ago. despite my baby face. i'm 40s because for a lot i'm in my 40s because for a lot of people they'll be living away from home for first time. from home for the first time. you always have been at uni anyway. get anyway. people will often get sick in their first year and i had a few help always did anyway, and think the anyway, and i think the financial impact of going to university much painful university is much more painful than 20 years ago. than it was 20 years ago. >> that get. >> that i get. >> that i get. >> i do think, yeah, absolutely . >> i do think, yeah, absolutely. and tuition fees i think are an absolute in terms of absolute disgrace in terms of social , i think it's social mobility, i think it's outrageous now that only the rich primarily to rich kids primarily get to go to university, none of those university, but none of those things you've just cited apart from money, are new. so from the money, are new. so what's wrong with reading? >> aren't new either. >> weeks aren't new either. that's my point. they've never needed cambridge. that's my point. they've never neethey've cambridge. that's my point. they've never neethey've never)ridge. that's my point. they've never neethey've never needed at >> they've never needed it at cambridge. they've always had those so why those length of terms. so why now they i can't now are they saying i can't cope? my health is cope? my mental health is suffering? well i don't know. >> university. >> i didn't go to university. i mean, have to ask oxford and

mean, you have to ask oxford and cambridge they do. no, i'm cambridge why they do. no, i'm asking you, peter, you're here too. >> i'll give you 30s to think about while talk to about it while i talk to jacqueline. why now? jacqueline, can't generation with jacqueline. why now? jacqueline, can normaleneration with jacqueline. why now? jacqueline, can normal workload with jacqueline. why now? jacqueline, can normal workload that with jacqueline. why now? jacqueline, can normal workload that has1 the normal workload that has always been that way? well always been that that way? well i they can. i think they can. >> if were the >> if they were given the opportunity. think opportunity. and i just think that i don't know what's happened to them. i know happened to them. i don't know what's happened. i what's happened. generally, i feel living in feel as though i'm living in a parallel and so. okay, parallel universe. and so. okay, so you've got eight weeks for term yes, you can use term time. and yes, you can use i should they be using i i why should they be using i we've of the world's we've got some of the world's best universities in this country. some of country. we've got some of the top along with top universities along with america. mean, you look at america. i mean, if you look at the europe and you know the whole point of university is to challenge you. it's to challenge the mind . and then we've got all the mind. and then we've got all of these other things going on where the then are where the students then are having to stick to a certain narrative . and want to narrative. and if they want to challenge whatever, then they're narrative. and if they want to challetoe whatever, then they're narrative. and if they want to challeto get1atever, then they're narrative. and if they want to challeto get trigger then they're narrative. and if they want to challeto get trigger warnings. 're going to get trigger warnings. if they're you the tutors if they're, you know, the tutors say, looked these say, well, we've looked at these books know, they're books and, you know, they're going to be having of going to be having a sort of a breakdown something if they breakdown or something if they read so we're going to read this. so we're going to have to change it. this is

nonsense. once you get to university, you're an university, you're actually an aduu university, you're actually an adult the whole of it adult and the whole point of it is a body of learning and is it's a body of learning and the learning is about challenging and it's about looking sides of what looking at both sides of what is going on. and they're doing the students know favours. >> it that the teachers >> so is it that the teachers then frightened and to put then are frightened and to put these under pressure. peter these kids under pressure. peter whereas teachers in our generation i did english literature and language like you did again, it a while ago, did again, it was a while ago, but the teachers didn't mind putting us pressure. they putting us under pressure. they knew that if we were to knew that if we were going to cope adult, we cope with life as an adult, we needed it's good needed challenges. it's good for you. >> itself is not >> pressure in itself is not a bad thing. just like we all have a range of emotions and just, you know, like we all feel sadness grief at times. so sadness and grief at times. so there will pressure at there will be pressure at university because there's always if always pressure in a job. and if you're enough have one. you're lucky enough to have one. but got no great problem but i've got no great problem with reading because with reading weeks because people often you know, in people would often you know, in your year university your first year at university can with your can be really tough with your acclimatise go home acclimatise chance to go home and family . i acclimatise chance to go home and family. i don't buy and see the family. i don't buy this narrative more broadly that, you know, all kids are snowflakes everything else. snowflakes and everything else.

and what is life like as and again, what is life like as an 18 year old student now? well, imagine it well, i'd imagine that it doesn't the luxury doesn't have the luxury that i had because i imagine a lot of people are doing degree people are doing their degree three to work part three while having to work part time well. so they don't have time as well. so they don't have why they work part time? >> yeah, lot of the kids going >> yeah, a lot of the kids going through universities in the states obviously states do two jobs. obviously there's a section of children who've probably wealthy who've probably got very wealthy parents all crippled with debt in us. expect to. but in the us. they expect to. but if we're looking now at you mentioned obviously the 9000 if we're looking now at you menti�*ned obviously the 9000 if we're looking now at you menti mean, viously the 9000 if we're looking now at you menti mean, there y the 9000 if we're looking now at you menti mean, there was; 9000 if we're looking now at you menti mean, there was there? year. i mean, there was there was a, you know, very few people went to university and the state could afford fund all of the could afford to fund all of the when i was certainly when i was growing up and tony blair, to be fair to say, tony blair came along and said, we want, you know, half the kids to go to uni. well, the state couldn't afford to sustain that where i have beef is from covid and it have a beef is from covid and it really started with covid and everybody. were everybody. there were no tutorials then lectures tutorials and then the lectures were this has were online. and this has carried over. and i think that the students at our universities are still being sold short. i agree. i think the students are

not getting enough tutors time, they're not getting enough face to and so, you know, if to face. and so, you know, if these universities and they're taking load of revenue from taking a load of revenue in from the foreign students and everybody else and if they want to stay in onto the level that they wish to be, they need to start giving back to the students and doing the job that they're supposed to come to the students and doing the job that theyof supposed to come to the students and doing the job that theyof the posed to come to the students and doing the job that theyof the show. to come to the end of the show. >> great to meet >> jacqueline, great to meet you. lovely to see you you. peter lovely to see you again. right. thank you, everybody. up next, of course, richard in nigel richard tice in for nigel farage, also the farage, but he's also in the building outlook with building a brighter outlook with boxt , the sponsors of boxt solar, the sponsors of whether on . gb news. whether on. gb news. >> hello there. >> hello there. >> i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest news forecast. turning chilly for a time this evening, but then mild air spreads back in overnight as cloud and rain moves in from the atlantic . this weather front atlantic. this weather front pushes southeastwards as we head through tonight and into thursday. and then a north—south split into the weekend. high pressure keeping it dry in the south evening turning quite

south this evening turning quite chilly. some frost out there. but overnight we see cloud and rain moving in from the atlantic. this slowly pushing its southeastward. so its way southeastward. so temperatures the night temperatures rising as the night goes on. taking us into thursday morning. most places frost free generally between 2 and 8 celsius, but it does mean a cloudy, damp start for many, particularly across england and wales, where we do have outbreaks rain slowly pushing outbreaks of rain slowly pushing south eastwards, brighter northern ireland and scotland with blustery showers in the far north through the day north and then through the day the and the slowly the cloud and the rain slowly pushes south eastwards, becoming confined far south—east confined to the far south—east for afternoon. most places for the afternoon. most places becoming dry and bright, plenty of sunny spells, still some blustery showers across scotland. temperatures near average for the of year, average for the time of year, 7 to 11 celsius, maybe just slightly above for some western parts on friday itself, some mist and fog and frost to start the morning. and then plenty of dry weather across england and wales. amounts of cloud wales. variable amounts of cloud cloudy skies, though, for northern ireland, scotland, the risk as we move risk of some rain as we move through the in a mild through the day here in a mild

day for everyone into the weekend, it generally stays quite cloudy temperatures quite cloudy and temperatures remain average for the remain above average for the time of year. see you soon. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boiler dollars. sponsors of weather here on .

gb news. >> well . >> well. and a very good evening. >> welcome to farage on gb news. it's 7:00 and good news, folks. he's land id and i've persuaded nigel not to go home but to come straight to the studio to give his latest thoughts on, in particular the rwanda vote and much, much more. the lawful

immigration numbers besides also we're going to be talking about international student numbers. i've got a big expose on that and the latest news on cop 28. all of that, lots to discuss. but first of all, it's the news with polly middlehurst . with polly middlehurst. >> richard, thank you and good evening. well, the top story tonight, police are still appealing for help in finding a missing mother of three who's gone missing in norfolk . footage gone missing in norfolk. footage has been released of gaynor lord, who was last seen on cctv in norwich town centre on friday. police are hoping this video, if you're watching on television, of the 55 year old run home, may jog the memory of passers by. her coat has been discovered in the river wensum, which runs through the park, and police are saying it's likely she may have entered the water. underwater teams have been searching the area today .

searching the area today. >> we are