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next stage of the rwanda bill, as tory mps remain in decisive of rishi sunaks emergency . of rishi sunaks emergency. legislation won a vote in the commons only after 38 tory mps abstained . some mps called for abstained. some mps called for the to bill be tightened, asking to deny asylum seekers individual appeals. to deny asylum seekers individual appeals . but the individual appeals. but the government says it must remain within international law and assures his concerned peers rwanda will not take deportees who have no legal recourse to strasbourg . the uk has signed an strasbourg. the uk has signed an international treaty with japan and italy to develop a new generation of stealth fighter jets . the deal will aim to build jets. the deal will aim to build military planes with supersonic capability, include being able to provide 10,000 times more data than current systems . the data than current systems. the headquarters for the global combat air program will be based in the uk . the planes will take in the uk. the planes will take the to the skies in 2035 and serve as the successor to the raf. typhoon . and you can get

raf. typhoon. and you can get more on all those stories is by visiting our website at gbnews.com . gbnews.com. >> very good morning. it's 934. well rishi sunak has dismissed the centre rwanda bill by tory mps as mere debating society. >> he nearly called it a dating society. make it more interesting and said he's working tirelessly to get the planes off the ground. >> that's right. so could the rebels cause trouble for sunak in the new year ? in the new year? >> well, joining us now is one of those he's the conservative mp for bournemouth east tobias ellwood. tobias. morning. it's not the first time you've been not the first time you've been not supporting your government in the division lobbies . what's in the division lobbies. what's your the rwanda your problem with the rwanda scheme stands ? scheme as it stands? >> well, thanks for letting me on. um firstly, let's see. start from the top. rishi sunak has never voted the party into far calmer political waters and developed a really comprehensive migration strategy, which i

think has been overlooked in the last couple of days . it's really last couple of days. it's really reaping dividends. we've got those returns to albania and georgia , uh, greater georgia, uh, greater collaboration with france. there's we're tackling the criminal gangs and there's new legal migration rules, which i wish it had come in a long time ago, that will see a reduction of about 300,000 in net migration. these are all good things. i'm really sorry to see how the flight to rwanda have become so totemic. an issue to become so totemic. an issue to be achieved under almost any cost. uh, you know , and the cost. uh, you know, and the reason why i stress is this is always been one part of a wider strategy to absolutely tackle illegal immigration. that's what people want to actually see. but it's been elevated to this utopian solution. we've got to get that that flight out there. um, you know, that we're going to tackle the small boat problem. it's the to hill die on.and problem. it's the to hill die on. and i'm very sorry that that is the case, because that shouldn't be we we're job legislators is to scrutinise. and there's some real, real problems with this bill. that's

why i abstained. i can't support any policy that then actually dictates parliament determining if a country is safe . and that's if a country is safe. and that's actually in clause two of the bill. every decision maker must conclusively treat the republic of rwanda as a safe country . it of rwanda as a safe country. it is not up to parliament to make that judgement. and then there's this issue to do with disapplying the human rights act and then, of course, it puts us in, uh, a challenge with the echr as well on interim solutions . for these reasons, solutions. for these reasons, i couldn't support this particular bill. and i stress , i'm really, bill. and i stress, i'm really, really sorry that it's over shadowing all the other good things that we're doing, not just in this area , but in the just in this area, but in the other aspects of british policy given, you know, tackling inflation, um, dealing with the cost of living crisis, our work in ukraine and so forth , much in ukraine and so forth, much bigger stuff overshadowed by flights to rwanda . flights to rwanda. >> the thing is, tobias, it's in the paper today to say that 1%

of people who arrive on the small boats get sent home again , small boats get sent home again, 1. and we're spending £1 billion every 100 days on taxpayers money to house people who arrive by these means. so money to house people who arrive by these means . so the by these means. so the frustration of the british pubucis frustration of the british public is surely what rishi sunakis public is surely what rishi sunak is trying to overcome by by what you would see as usurping our democratic or our jurist jurisdiction. jurisdiction the what's the word jurisdiction ? jurisdiction. jurisdiction? jurisdiction. thank you. andrew jurisdiction. uh, our legal process and our democratic process . but what do democratic process. but what do we do then? if you aren't happy for parliament to make that decision ? decision? >> i'm sorry, but, you know, we're mixing things up here. i just read a list out of things that are actually impacting the numbers. they've dropped by one third. we're moving in the right direction. there is no data, no data anywhere that's been accumulated to say that this would act as a deterrent . the would act as a deterrent. the flights themselves, the people

that you're speaking about that are stuck here, that's a processing issue. many of them have there for over have been stuck there for over 400 days. that's nothing to do with flights to rwanda. they wouldn't get on a flight wouldn't even get on a flight yet they'd been processed. yet until they'd been processed. and we're now looking at that. the office got more the home office has got more people working on that, but the bigger question here, which we're on, which we're not focusing on, which we're not focusing on, which we're denial is we're almost in denial of, is why are these individuals leaving the countries in the first place? it's because governance has collapsed. security has disappeared completely . countries that we've completely. countries that we've wandered into over the last decade or so libya, somalia, yemen , afghanistan, iraq, syria yemen, afghanistan, iraq, syria and so forth. and then we've lost strategic patience to be involved. and then we wonder why those countries collapsed, and then those individuals then want to come to europe. the challenge we have the uk is actually we have in the uk is actually bigger. in germany it's bigger in france, it's bigger in italy , in france, it's bigger in italy, it's bigger in greece. we need to be working with our, um, continental partners to look at the problem at source . climate

the problem at source. climate change to see these change is going to see these numbers that we have at the moment. know, they be moment. you know, they will be a walk the park compared with walk in the park compared with the biblical scale of migration . the biblical scale of migration. we're see over the next we're going to see over the next couple of decades. >> do know it's >> tobias, how do you know it's not to be a deterrent? not going to be a deterrent? >> i'm i'm happy to be proved wrong. i'm saying that. but why not give it a chance at the moment, tobias? >> not give it a chance? >> why not give it a chance? >> why not give it a chance? >> it would deal with 1% of those that are coming this way. but looking at bill, but again, looking at the bill, any individual that feels that claims, example , that they claims, for example, that they are homosexual or have are a homosexual or have political issues and so forth, then their their considerations would then move to the courts. so our courts will be clogged up if they've taken the risk, paid a lot of money to a criminal gang to get across the channel, then they'll be told and instructed, make sure that you make a claim to say that you're not sure your sexuality, for example, they will do whatever they avoid going to they can to avoid going to rwanda. and even there's rwanda. and even if there's a rwanda. and even if there's a rwanda flights did get going, they actually able to

they would actually be able to cater , uh, because of the cater, uh, because of the timetabling for 1% of those making journey . so you tell making the journey. so you tell me whether that's a deterrent . me whether that's a deterrent. i'm be proved wrong. i'm happy to be proved wrong. no, i'm happy to be proved wrong. n0, , i'm happy to be proved wrong. no, , i'm happy to be proved no, no, i'm happy to be proved wrong analysis. but you're not going anywhere to say, is this going anywhere to say, is this going to deter you from going to britain anywhere else ? britain or going anywhere else? >> you're not happy, >> tobias? you're not happy, tobias. happy tobias. you're not happy to be proved wrong because you're not supporting the bill. you're not prepared chance . prepared to give it a chance. >> i'm not giving it a chance because it breaches international law . it's nothing international law. it's nothing to do with it. i'm happy with the concept of us taking people to another place . even the to another place. even the supreme court said that is okay. i'm not happy with supporting a bill that sees the united kingdom that helped write and define international law. we uphold and craft international law. this bill says no , we're law. this bill says no, we're going to rip up international law. that's not a good look. when our world is getting more dangerous, not less. when other countries are choosing to ignore international law and we're turning around and saying, absolutely let us

absolutely sure, let's let us bnngin absolutely sure, let's let us bring in your colleague philip davis, who is with us here. >> and philip, you voted for the bill. so what is tobias wrong about ? about? >> pretty much everything, i think from what i've heard there, to be perfectly honest . i there, to be perfectly honest. i mean, i don't understand why he says that parliament shouldn't be determining which countries are safe or countries are safe or which countries aren't. uk aren't. i mean, the uk government has always done that in the labour government. today we used to have a white list of countries that were considered we used to have a white list of counand that were considered we used to have a white list of counand that vypeopleisidered we used to have a white list of counand that vypeople couldn't we used to have a white list of counaasylum vypeople couldn't we used to have a white list of counaasylum fromyple couldn't we used to have a white list of counaasylum from because dn't we used to have a white list of counaasylum from because they claim asylum from because they were safe. were considered safe. >> has always happened in >> this has always happened in the uk. i don't know why. tobias seems fine for the seems to think it's fine for the government that government to make that decision, terrible decision, but terrible for parliament that parliament to make that decision. um, so i've no idea where he's coming from. there to be honest. look, be perfectly honest. and look, at the day, i mean, at the end of the day, i mean, i think tobias probably shows the problem the prime minister think tobias probably shows the protgoti the prime minister think tobias probably shows the protgot he's the prime minister think tobias probably shows the protgot he's battling ne minister think tobias probably shows the protgot he's battling to minister think tobias probably shows the protgot he's battling to tryiister think tobias probably shows the protgot he's battling to try and' has got he's battling to try and find with all find a solution with all of these noises off to knock these noises off trying to knock him track, but at the end of him off track, but at the end of the day, the public are to the day, the public are sick to the day, the public are sick to the teeth of this, and the back teeth of this, and tobias might not want uk tobias might not want the uk parliament to make these

decisions instead rely on decisions and instead rely on the of human decisions and instead rely on the to of human decisions and instead rely on the to make of human decisions and instead rely on the to make these human decisions and instead rely on the to make these decisions. rights to make these decisions. but that the but i'm pretty sure that the overwhelming majority of people in would the in this country would want the uk parliament we're uk parliament to say, we're going to what's right for the going to do what's right for the uk, and if that upsets uk, and if that if that upsets the european of human the european court of human rights, frankly , is rights, which frankly, is largely court anyway , uh, largely a joke court anyway, uh, so it. and but doesn't, so be it. and but doesn't, doesn't, doesn't tobias have a point, though, philip, about setting a dangerous precedent whereby we're putting too much power in the hands of a government to make such a decision, and you might be quite happy when it's a conservative government, but those powers will in the hands the will remain in the hands of the labour will remain in the hands of the laband it not be >> and then it might not be something that you'd be quite so keen on. >> i don't agree with that >> no, i don't agree with that at all. i think that the parliament makes makes these decisions. end the decisions. at the end of the day, if a labour government has a majority in parliament, it'll be those decisions be able to make those decisions anyway. think this really anyway. i think this is really important the statute important to have on the statute book say that actually the uk book to say that actually the uk parliament is going to be sovereign is going decide sovereign and is going to decide what best interests of what is in the best interests of the uk, and if that upsets people european court

people at the european court of human couldn't human rights, i really couldn't care human rights, i really couldn't car> go on. tobias >> go on. tobias >> i mean, it's only things there. there's actually more that we agree with than disagree. biggest concern disagree. my biggest concern is that a defining that this is becoming a defining manifesto . get the manifesto commitment. we get the flights somehow hooray i flights and somehow hooray! we've we don't . and we've done it all. we don't. and i'm about that because i'm saddened about that because the list of success stories that we've migration we've had in tackling migration is now being overshadowed by by this focus on rwanda and the flights themselves. i go back and say parliament has never legislated to make a country safe. it doesn't work that way. it has to be the courts that does that. and he dismisses the echr that was crafted by churchill and if there is an international court that needs to be updating, many of these were laws and international were the laws and international rules were created after the second world war. then it's in britain's interest work with britain's interest to work with our to update them. our partners to update them. let's do it that way. if your car breaks down or has a problem, you don't throw it away and then another one. what and then buy another one. what you do it. it you actually do is fix it. it needs fixing . i agree with needs fixing. i agree with philip. with that, philip. absolutely. with that, some were

some of these measures were written the world was written in when the world was looking very, very different. but world is getting more but our world is getting more angry. it's getting more complicated and we want people to actually, um, uphold and honour international law. when britain starts to breach it, rather than actually mending it or drafting it, updating it. we're in a very, very dangerous place indeed . and i'm sorry, but place indeed. and i'm sorry, but we are overshadowing what britain, what rishi sunak has done. okay. becoming such a distraction and has actually as i say, tobias, i want to bring philip. >> philip davies back in. philip davies, mp for shipley. philip, i'm just checking between september 2019 and march 2023, 1600 refugees asylum seekers 1600 refugees and asylum seekers were evacuated from libya to rwanda by the united nations high commission for refugees, no less a body. so it can't be that unsafe, can it? >> exactly , absolutely. and the >> exactly, absolutely. and the other thing, i mean, if tobias had his way, by the sounds of it, prisoners would have the vote the kingdom vote in the united kingdom because court of because the european court of human rights ruled that prisoners, the prisoners should have uk have the vote and the uk parliament completely ignored

that, and the uk government ignored that because thought that, and the uk government igwasd that because thought that, and the uk government igwas completelyise thought that, and the uk government igwas completely unfair thought that, and the uk government igwas completely unfair that ght it was completely unfair that was using parliamentary was the uk using parliamentary sovereignty to say, actually, we disagree with verdict of disagree with the verdict of a european court and that's that's exactly what we're doing here. we're that we don't we're saying that we don't accept the decision the accept the decision of the european of human rights, european court of human rights, and actually other countries in the following the eu are actually following the eu are actually following the lead. they're looking the uk's lead. they're looking at third countries now to send people to because they actually see it is actually the see that it is actually the right to this right solution to this particular problem. and we're actually it's actually leading the way. it's not that we're going against what other countries internationally, we're actually leading they're leading the way than they're following. the problem is, is that people come this that if people come to this country throw away country and they throw away their documentation and you've got idea where came got no idea where they came from, only solution if from, the only solution if they've you don't want to they've if you don't want to keep them in this country, which we is send them to we don't, is to send them to a third country because you can't return them to their original country because you don't know what original country was. what the original country was. this actually the only this is actually the only solution that and solution to that problem. and the parliament has the the uk parliament has the absolute say , this is absolute right to say, this is what going to in the uk

what we're going to do in the uk , of what a foreign , irrespective of what a foreign court determines. >> what are going to >> tobias, what are you going to do are the next do next? what are the next stages terms of bill and stages in terms of this bill and the people who abstained, such as yourself? what happens next? >> i need to come back and >> well, i need to come back and correct couple of things there. >> there's absolutely nothing wrong with the concept. the supreme court made this very clear being, um , you clear with people being, um, you know, deported to another country an arrangement. know, deported to another couryes, an arrangement. know, deported to another couryes, the an arrangement. know, deported to another couryes, the unitedarrangement. know, deported to another couryes, the united nationsient. know, deported to another couryes, the united nations has and yes, the united nations has done well. and if there's done it as well. and if there's a problem with the echr, let's repair it fix it. let's work repair it and fix it. let's work with our intercontinental allies who are pursuing this as well. but as a deterrent, i'm saying, firstly, i don't think it will actually work. israel and australia tried it and without success. they've dropped these programs themselves and it's overshadowing the good things that we're actually doing in these other areas that i began at the very itself. i'm at the very front itself. i'm really sorry that this has now dominating the headlines that we're discussing this as we're now discussing this as well, rather than the wider package of measures which actually are reaping dividends. we seeing those numbers go we are seeing those numbers go down, tackling the criminal

gangs, changing the legal migration rules, working with france as well and getting those returns back with other countries economic countries where economic migrants are heading this way as well . if we can get the well. if we can get the deportations to another country, which is legal, i'm more than happy support that. right happy to support that. but right now the bill itself is getting tied up in complexities and is tearing our party apart. that is not a good look as we head towards the next general election. >> do you think should just >> do you think it should just be completely? if be ditched completely? if i could you just one. could just ask you just one. both of individually, both of you individually, philip, to see philip, would you want to see the bill? just. just scrap the plan. scraps for rwanda? >> absolutely not. no everybody agrees. right agrees. tobias. the right solution. >> scrap now. solution. >> you p now. solution. >> you p ncwell, have to >> you can't. well, you have to caveat the answer to say that as the bill stands as my side of the bill stands as my side of the of the party, like the one nafion the of the party, like the one nation groups are very concerned about our status on the international stage, breaching international stage, breaching international law. the other side of the argument is that this does not go far enough that they're to to put they're going to want to put amendments to say, let's make amendments to in say, let's make it this all

it stronger, let's this is all about sovereignty. this is all about sovereignty. this is all about ditching the echr. so from that alone, if can't that reason alone, if we can't get form of compromise get any form of compromise whatsoever then then, you whatsoever, then yes, then, you know, drop the actual prospect of doing for the moment, lean of doing it for the moment, lean on the other activities that we're doing on the wider migration stat strategy, which i stress again, are actually working . but we lost sight of working. but we lost sight of all that because we're obsessed, obsessed about getting one single flight, flying to rwanda . single flight, flying to rwanda. >> okay. thank you gentlemen. really interesting. tobias ellwood there. and philip davis i just want to say it's philip davis. >> we're in the studio. it's not a great look for the tory party, is it? knocking spots off each other a few months from an election. >> the thing is, every every political party, the main political party, the main political parties are broad churches that's, that's churches and that's, that's that's matter. and that's a fact of the matter. and the is in the the fact is, is that in the labour party, they have people with a range of different opinions, the conservative opinions, as in the conservative party a range party or people with a range of different and that's different opinions and that's that not an unhealthy that is not an unhealthy situation. yeah. >> i and i sorry we've got >> and i and i sorry we've got to move on philip. but and i

also quite like the fact that you're having debate you're having the honest debate about i love that that's about it. i love that that's what right. what politics is about. right. moving the bank of england moving on. the bank of england are their interest rate are making their interest rate decision afternoon decision this afternoon at midday the last moments, midday in the last few moments, rishi speaking to rishi sunak has been speaking to reporters academy rishi sunak has been speaking to re|finchley. academy in finchley. >> and because i think >> and that's because i think education is the best way we have to transform people's lives. very lives. something i'm very passionate fact, the passionate about. in fact, the reason politics. the reason i got into politics. the great we're making real great news is we're making real progress now. almost 90% of schools are rated good or outstanding. got record outstanding. we've got record numbers and we saw numbers of teachers, and we saw just last week in the international tables, international league tables, the uk, marching those uk, england marching up those tables of reforms tables because of the reforms that we've made, which is very positive. building on that positive. we're building on that progress launching progress today, launching a consultation for something called advanced called the advanced british standard, a new standard, which will be a new qualification that brings together technical and academic education increases the amount of children get in the of time children get in the classroom with great teachers, and everybody and make sure that everybody studies some maths english, studies some maths in english, not level, some and not a level, but some maths and english. every english. up to 18. like every other country , we've got to make other country, we've got to make sure that education system sure that our education system is world class, that our children being for

children are being prepared for the future, and the jobs of the future, and that's our reforms are that's what our reforms are going to do on the nhs now. >> ambulance service leaders are warning winter delays are warning that winter delays are already putting at already putting patients at risk. to get ? >> well, 7- >> well, we 7 >> well, we know that winter is always a challenging time for the and that's why this the nhs and that's why this yean the nhs and that's why this year, as minister, i made year, as prime minister, i made sure that we started planning with winter earlier with the nhs for winter earlier than ever done and than we've ever done it. and together with £1 billion of extra now that's going extra funding now that's going on. like expanding a&e on. things like expanding a&e departments, putting more ambulances and ambulances on the road and crucially, discharge in social care sector. so that people can go back to their homes, back to their local communities once they've finished in they've finished being in hospital. and can free up hospital. and we can free up that capacity to urgent that capacity to treat urgent patients. of that is patients. now, all of that is making we've seen making a difference. we've seen considerable since making a difference. we've seen constime ble since making a difference. we've seen constime last since making a difference. we've seen constime last year, since making a difference. we've seen constime last year, but since making a difference. we've seen constime last year, but we since this time last year, but we obviously will keep a close eye on and work very closely with on it and work very closely with nhs everyone care nhs to deliver everyone the care that we're expecting that they need. we're expecting long waiting list statistics today. long waiting list statistics today . so we've got these today. so we've got these interest rate decisions at midday today. >> liam halligan is here to tell us what to expect. >> well, well, the bank of

england meets eight times a year to decide interest rates. today is 2023. is its last meeting of 2023. obviously we've had 14 interest rate rises since december 2021. blimey, all the way from 0.1. those emergency levels post lockdown and we're now at 5.25. look, the smart money is that the bank of england is going to hold interest rates at 5.25. they've been there since august, but almost certainly the next move will be down. when will interest rates fall ? the bank of interest rates fall? the bank of england itself thinks that won't happen until mid to late 2024. the futures markets though, they're saying actually inflation is coming down more quickly than we thought. wage data out earlier this week was lower growth than people thought. so there's a sense now that there's some momentum and interest rates will actually be cut sooner. maybe in the spring. and by the end of next year, the futures markets, people are placing bets that interest rates will be 4.25% by december 2024, as opposed to 5.25% now. that's

as opposed to 5.25% now. that's a big difference. >> after those rotten economic figures yesterday where the economy went backwards, shouldn't they be cutting them today? >> well , some today? >> well, some people would say that, but i don't think they will. >> the reason we had a gdp contraction yesterday is because when you raise interest rates, it takes a long time for those impacts to come through those 14 rate rises. i'd say at least half the impact of that , the half the impact of that, the squeezing impact on the economy, on credit markets, on borrowing, on credit markets, on borrowing, on lending has yet to come through. so even though interest rates are going to stay put, there's still lots of tightening in the tank. and to confuse these issues even more, we are at this turning point. even though interest rates are likely to stay put today, mortgage rates, the commercial interest rates, the commercial interest rates that you're offered when you borrow money to buy you try and borrow money to buy a they're coming down a home, they're coming down quite you're quite rapidly. now. you're seeing in mortgage seeing big falls in mortgage rates because the rates because because the mortgage providers are betting that when i say interest rates are to drop sooner than are going to drop sooner than the bank of england thinks that i'm and so that's why

i'm right. and so that's why you're getting competition in the markets suddenly. you're getting competition in the that's markets suddenly. you're getting competition in the that's nhome; suddenly. you're getting competition in the that's nhome loansenly. you're getting competition in the that's nhome loans are. and that's why home loans are becoming cheaper. so if you if you if you are coming off you are if you are coming off a fixed rate mortgage, stick with it for as long as you can because those let borrowing costs are likely to get lower soonen sooner. >> soonen >> we've run out of time, liam. don't anywhere. be back don't go anywhere. we'll be back in a moment. talk in just a moment. we'll talk about whether about gary lineker and whether he's red card this is he's got a red card this is britain's newsroom on gb news the people's channel. a brighter outlook , outlook with boxt solar, sponsors on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> good morning. i'm greg dewhurst. welcome to your latest gb news forecast . a cloudy, damp gb news forecast. a cloudy, damp start this morning but it will brighten up from the northwest as we move through the day and mild across western areas and you can see that cloud and rain across england and wales. first thing, it slowly sinks its way southeast outwards as go southeast outwards as we go through day, allowing through the day, allowing sunniest across northern through the day, allowing sunniesand across northern through the day, allowing sunniesand scotland northern through the day, allowing sunnies and scotland to rthern through the day, allowing sunniesand scotland to slowly ireland and scotland to slowly push southward. so a push its way southward. so a dry picture saw some blustery picture here saw some blustery showers, though across northwest

scotland. 1 or of these heavy, scotland. 1 or 2 of these heavy, but you can see the cloud holding on right through the day across southeast east. cool across the southeast east. cool here. celsius, but in the here. 6 or 7 celsius, but in the west or 12. so west rising to 11 or 12. so above average for the time of yean above average for the time of year, with generally light wind. so feel too in that so it won't feel too bad in that sunshine into the evening sunshine and into the evening time. turning quite and time. turning quite chilly. and overnight mist time. turning quite chilly. and overfogit mist time. turning quite chilly. and overfog patches mist time. turning quite chilly. and overfog patches forming mist time. turning quite chilly. and overfog patches forming across and fog patches forming across parts of england and wales, and under the clear skies. perhaps a touch frost and a little bit touch of frost and a little bit more of a breeze and cloud across the northern half the across the northern half of the uk will keep it frost free here. 1 or 2 spots of light rain and drizzle and still quite breezy here. 6 celsius in the here. 5 or 6 celsius in the south, close to freezing in the countryside . mist and fog countryside. mist and fog patches to clear. first patches slow to clear. first thing, plenty of thing, but then plenty of sunshine across sunshine first thing across england wales just cloud england and wales just cloud amount slowly increasing . amount slowly increasing. cloudier skies though across northern ireland and scotland through friday and increasing risk of rain across the highlands pushing its way eastwards day . some eastwards through the day. some of be heavy times. of this could be heavy at times. the staying quite blustery the wind staying quite blustery here in a mild day. generally for still a little chilly

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i >> -- >> it's 10:00 >> it's10:00 on >> it's 10:00 on thursday, the 14th of december. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with me, bev turner and andrew pierce missing mum. >> search . police are appealing >> search. police are appealing for in hunt for for help in the hunt for a norwich mother of three, who's been missing for five days. our reporter chikomba has the reporter theo chikomba has the latest . latest. >> it's coming up. it's coming up to six days now since the mother of three has been reported as missing here in norwich. we'll have the latest and rwanda rebels headache. >> rishi sunak says that he's working tirelessly to get his rwanda plan off the ground, despite opposition from tory mps interest rates up or down, or staying where they are. >> rishi sunak has pledged to grow the economy under intense scrutiny today our political edhon scrutiny today our political editor, chris hope, joins us. >> mps wait for the results from the bank of england because it could give us a real clue for

the timing of the next general election , and another story. election, and another story. >> sainsbury's, tesco's and lots of other supermarkets now are making a huge amount of money. millions from your data in those very attractive loyalty schemes . very attractive loyalty schemes. and gary . lineker. and gary. lineker. >> oh and gary lineker, we're talking to a couple of bbc heavyweights about whether you can or can't survive the latest row over his inflammatory, uh, messages on social media. but that's supermarket story, my little local tesco's. you can see the huge difference in price if you have a loyalty card and if you have a loyalty card and if you have a loyalty card and if you don't. but i've never been tempted to have one. no. well, i know they're flogging all your material all around. all place. all around the place. >> thing the price >> the thing is, the price differences are so enormous now that almost choice. that it's almost not a choice. it could be 50% nearly off your shopping mother says, shopping bill as my mother says, there's such thing as a free

there's no such thing as a free lunch, beverly. and she's right. and it's quite literally the case in the truth in this case. right. get touch us. right. get in touch with us. this morning. vaiews@gbnews.com is address. first, is the email address. first, though, latest though, here's your very latest news sophia wenzler . news with sophia wenzler. >> good morning. it's 10:01. news with sophia wenzler. >> good morning. it's10:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . committee on standards newsroom. committee on standards is recommending scott benton be suspended for 35 days from the commons following a lobbying scandal in investigation was launched after the blackpool south mp was filmed offering to leak confidential information on to gambling industry chiefs . mr to gambling industry chiefs. mr benton was secretly being filmed by reporters for the times , who by reporters for the times, who offered him between 2000 and £4000 for two days work. the parliamentary committee has been looking into allegations that his actions caused significant damage to the reputation of the house. the prime minister prepares to double down for the next stage of the rwanda bill,

as tory mps remain indecisive. rishi sunak's emergency legislation won a vote in the commons only after 38 tory mps abstained , and some mps call for abstained, and some mps call for the bill to be tightened, asking to deny asylum seekers an individual appeals. but the government says it must remain within international law and assured concerned peers rwanda will not take deportees who have no legal recourse to strasbourg . no legal recourse to strasbourg. meanwhile, the prime minister says labour prevents in stopping the boats. >> legal expert former judges have also said that the legislation is incredibly strong. it is effective, it will work. the key now is to get it on the statute book so we can get the scheme up and running. the question really, actually is for everyone who's trying to block that from happening. and first labour first and foremost, the labour party, very clear. want party, we're very clear. we want to the boats. i want to to stop the boats. i want to tackle this problem. they're already third. we've already down by a third. we've got do. you the got more to do. you know, the conservative party united in conservative party is united in wanting stopping the boats.

conservative party is united in wan'labour stopping the boats. conservative party is united in wan'labour party,�*ig the boats. conservative party is united in wan'labour party, to the boats. conservative party is united in wan'labour party, to a e boats. conservative party is united in wan'labour party, to a person. the labour party, to a person voted against this legislation. and the question for and so really the question for them they want to them is why don't they want to stop the boats? >> the has signed an >> the uk has signed an international treaty with japan and italy to develop a new generation fighter generation of stealth fighter jets. build jets. the deal will aim to build military supersonic military planes with supersonic capability, being able capability, include being able to provide 10,000 times more data than current systems . the data than current systems. the headquarters for the global combat air program will be based in the uk. the planes will take to the skies in 2035 and serve as a successor to the raf. typhoon it's the sixth day in the search for a missing woman, who was last seen in norwich city centre. gaynor lord was last spotted on cctv cameras on friday afternoon. norfolk constabulary says it is likely the 55 year old may have entered the 55 year old may have entered the water, and underwater search teams have scoured the river miss lord's belongings , miss lord's belongings, including clothing and a mobile phone , were found in a park near phone, were found in a park near her workplace . this former her workplace. this former siemens uk boss will lead a

labour backed review into how the delivery of major rail projects can be improved . jurgen projects can be improved. jurgen mayer will oversee a panel of transport experts and investigate how infrastructure schemes can be completed better, faster and more cost effectively .labour faster and more cost effectively . labour say the review is necessary because many projects like hs2 have suffered severe difficulties and delays. shadow transport secretary louise haigh said britain had immense potential but has been held back by 13 years of failure under the conservatives troubled supplier thames water has named chris weston as its new ceo . mr weston weston as its new ceo. mr weston is the former boss of power specialist aggreko and will take on the post at the water firm from january. it's hoped he will help secure the company's financial future. it's after the uk's biggest water supplier has more than £1 billion of external debt, with the first £190 million due to be repaid in april next year. one person is

unaccounted for in at least one building has been destroyed following an explosion in south wales . a fire broke out at a two wales. a fire broke out at a two storey building in treforest industrial estate last night . industrial estate last night. three people were treated at the scene before being discharged . scene before being discharged. emergency services are still at the scene and significant road closures remain in place in the area. a local tattoo studio has been destroyed by the fire, with the cause of the explosion still unknown . the prime minister says unknown. the prime minister says he wants the uk to have a world class education system, as the government launches a consultation on how to develop a new post 16 qualification in pairs . teachers and students are pairs. teachers and students are being asked to share their views on the advanced british standard, which will eventually replace a—levels and t levels under new plans. students in england will typically study five subjects rather than three. all pupils will also need to study some form of english and maths until the age of 18. this

is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to andrew and . bev. back to andrew and. bev. >> you've been very busy at home emailing us on gb views at gb news.com. a lot of you actually getting in touch about this supermarket story. >> i thought you might these loyalty schemes, you'd have seen them at various supermarkets . them at various supermarkets. >> you in and you notice >> you walk in and you notice the price is spectacularly different. if you're a member of their loyalty card scheme and dulcia says, funnily enough, i was in sainsbury's days was in sainsbury's a few days ago. don't usually shop there ago. i don't usually shop there as not store near me, and as it's not a store near me, and i shocked by difference i was shocked by the difference in i had a nectar in price. if i had a nectar card. as a result, i spent the entirety of my shop choosing items impacted by items that were not impacted by the refusing pay the the scheme, refusing to pay the considerable in considerable difference in price. that's one way of doing it. dulcy like your style. it. dulcy i like your style. >> and says everyone knows >> and joan says everyone knows that share your that these businesses share your data do internet data and so do internet companies. seem companies. and they don't seem to mind.

>> has said clearly >> jeff has said clearly something was being earned from these schemes somewhere, something was being earned from these the schemes somewhere, something was being earned from these the savings somewhere, something was being earned from these the savings somevnote, otherwise the savings would not be worth time to pull the be worth the time to pull the card no card out. i understand no personal details as name personal details such as name and are included in and addresses are included in the sole data, with that being the sole data, with that being the having my the case, i'm fine having my data it's reasonable data sold. it's a reasonable trade in to get the trade off in order to get the savings each shop. the savings on each shop. the problem for is that it problem though for me is that it is discriminatory. the differences in the are so differences in the prices are so enormous that if you're not part of their scheme, of got of their scheme, you kind of got you barrel, haven't they? you over a barrel, haven't they? >> sue, who >> fascinating. from sue, who says, i saved quite a bit when using my loyalty i'm using my loyalty card. so i'm going to on. everyone's going to carry on. everyone's data all the i'm data gets used all the time. i'm sure social media is at it too. example of £6 off a litre of gin. what's not to like? you know what? maybe . my objections know what? maybe. my objections to the loyalty card have evaporated. £6 off a bottle of gin and you get two and you've got a free bottle on rest. got a free bottle on the rest. >> there's one at sainsbury's where of bailey fizz where a bottle of bailey fizz and it is. christmas was about £23 card, and £23 without your card, and something £14 with the something like £14 with the card. it was spectacular. savings on it. and is it a

saving or can you just sell us the products that they have for the products that they have for the right price, please? >> i bet you once they've wooed far more people over to the loyalty card, then the price differential will start to erode. >> exactly. always erode. >> exactly. so always watch out for you're right. david says for you're so right. david says my waitrose card has been one of the meanest of all, about £1 to £1.50 a week. i get a free £1.50 a week. and i get a free paper. £1.50 a week. and i get a free paper . but £1.50 a week. and i get a free paper. but you have to use your phone well as card. so phone as well as the card. so any it literate. so anyone not it literate takes forever. so true. if item exactly true. if the item is not exactly the same will be the same a voucher will be reject and i would vote waitrose as being the scourge of christmas. >> but to use your phone? >> but to use your phone? >> yes. so i have mine on my phone now. >> i've never paid for anything on phone. on my phone. >> well, you don't have to pay for but if you for it on your phone, but if you don't the plastic in don't want the plastic card in your wallet, sign up to the your wallet, you sign up to the loyalty scheme and then you open their to find the app and their app to find the app and then you. >> and that's why takes so >> and that's why it takes so long the queue. that's long in the queue. then that's why takes. long in the queue. then that's wthnd akes. long in the queue. then that's wthnd that is a good point. >> and that is a good point. yeah i yeah. and because the savings enormous, i'm not savings are so enormous, i'm not saying i opt out of these, i don't i'm them but i do

don't i'm in them but i do object to feeling pretty manipulated. and then do feel manipulated. and then i do feel especially for elderly especially again for elderly people not know how to people who may not know how to sign up a loyalty scheme. and sign up to a loyalty scheme. and they're can buy they're going, well, i can buy my of gin for £20. i can my bottle of gin for £20. i can have for ten, but i don't have it for ten, but i don't know how to have it for ten. so so yeah, we were not going to repeat the suggestion was repeat the suggestion that was made very helpful gallery. >> certainly not going to we're not going to we're going not going to we're not going to steal booths if we are not going to booths. steal booths if we are not going to thank ooths. steal booths if we are not going to thank you.. steal booths if we are not going to thank you. tom. >> thank you. tom. >> thank you. tom. >> the bank england making >> the bank of england is making its interest rate decision this afternoon at midday. the last afternoon at midday. in the last few minutes, sunak few minutes, rishi sunak has been reporters been speaking to reporters all about been speaking to reporters all abowell, into this year, >> well, coming into this year, the first priority i set out was to inflation. you know to halve inflation. you know why? inflation why? because it's inflation that's impact on that's having an impact on people's budgets. the household cost everyone is cost of living that everyone is grappling with, also because cost of living that everyone is gra|pushingith, also because cost of living that everyone is gra|pushingith, interest» because cost of living that everyone is gra|pushingith, interest ratesiuse cost of living that everyone is gra|jmortgagei, interest ratesiuse cost of living that everyone is gra|jmortgage rates.est ratesiuse cost of living that everyone is gra|jmortgage rates. so ratesiuse cost of living that everyone is gra|jmortgage rates. so i'm siuse and mortgage rates. so i'm really pleased have really pleased that we have halved from close to halved inflation from close to 11% down to, you know, just over four and a half in the most recent numbers. so that's real progress year. that's progress over this year. that's already difference . i already making a difference. i hope people's weekly hope to many people's weekly shop but will mean that

shop, but also will mean that there's more upward pressure, there's no more upward pressure, hopefully on interest rates, and people looking forward people can start looking forward to rates coming to their mortgage rates coming down time. that's really down over time. that's really important and that's why i've made a bunch of decisions, making sure that we don't borrow too making that too much money, making sure that we're with the we're responsible with the pubuc we're responsible with the public that we can public finances so that we can get inflation down. it doesn't happen accident. you happen by accident. and, you know, is quite know, they contrast is quite clear. got the labor clear. you've got the labor party to borrow party saying they want to borrow £28 billion a year on this green spending spree. all that's going to push up people's taxes, to do is push up people's taxes, push mortgage rates. want to do is push up people's taxes, puget mortgage rates. want to do is push up people's taxes, puget them �*tgage rates. want to do is push up people's taxes, puget them down. rates. want to do is push up people's taxes, puget them down. and.. want to do is push up people's taxes, puget them down. and that's/ant to do is push up people's taxes, puget them down. and that's why to get them down. and that's why in we're starting to cut in january we're starting to cut people's taxes as well. that will money in will help put more money in people's starting at people's pockets, starting at the of january. so the beginning of january. so look, think we are making look, i think we are making progress. there's more to do. but has certainly but the economy has certainly turned thanks to all turned a corner thanks to all the this year. the hard work this year. >> shrank . so we're not >> growth shrank. so we're not going to go to chris hope, our political editor, to react on the back of the prime minister, chris, the pm there saying that he's the measures he's taking with the economy are slowly

working. >> we're looking at this midday decision by the bank of england because i think it will determine where, when, well, when the government is more likely to the country in likely to go to the country in the election next year, it's likely halligan was likely, as liam halligan was telling viewers earlier, telling gb news viewers earlier, they're hold interest they're going to hold interest rates at about 5.25. um, and that will mean, i think, that the prospect of an early election early next year is less likely because they want to try and get the number down. i think the government wants to try and ride the back of lower ride off the back of lower interest rates, 4.25, possibly this time next year, and the this time next year, and use the fact the rates fact that the mortgage rates have quite lot since have fallen quite a lot since that chaotic time truss's that chaotic time of liz truss's administration to try and get some help in the polls and show how the is taking the right how the uk is taking the right choices. and they would say to voters it with labour voters don't risk it with labour and that's why i think today's decision a long way decision will go to a long way to deciding what tory mps want to deciding what tory mps want to do about the election. i think the vote on tuesday, this huge vote on the small boats , huge vote on the small boats, while obviously ostensibly about small boats policy, was also about trying to shore up rishi

sunak tory mps don't want an election early. they know that had they defeated the pm on tuesday, will be facing a no confidence vote in parliament today and that could have jeopardised and enforced the forced to act together the country in february. that was the that was the bubbling undercurrent below the vote on tuesday . let's not ruin it for tuesday. let's not ruin it for sunak have an election where we're 20 points behind in the polls. let's try and stick it out for of next year and out for most of next year and then go to country . and then go to the country. and therefore you have to support therefore you have to support the pm, even though you may not want to. on parts of that rwanda plan, thinks plan, which not everyone thinks will . will work. >> headache for rishi >> another headache for rishi sunak. morning. sunak. this morning. christopher, shape of christopher, in the shape of scott benton, the mp for blackpool, just bring our viewers up to speed with what's happened to him . happened to him. >> yeah, very briefly, scott benton, mp for blackpool south, 36, elected in 2019 with the majority of 3690. clearly a red wall seat for that was won

really on the on the leadership of boris johnson. he has been found today by a independent inquiry in house of commons to have breached lobbying rules. he's been he's been given a 35 day suspension from the commons. that's three times more than required to trigger a recall by—election he declined to say there was no wrongdoing. he was. the inquiry was into an investigation by the times newspaper when the accusation was that he had offered to lobby for a fake gambling company. this is a disaster for mr sunak. it's another probably unwanted by—election in an election year he's already facing a probable by—election in wellingborough , by—election in wellingborough, northamptonshire, a very safe seat held by peter bone, with a 19,000 majority and then we are now looking at probably a recall by—election if more than 10% of voters want it within a six week period, there will be a by—election that will be a red wall test for sunak, probably in around april or may. time in

what will be a very, very tense yeah what will be a very, very tense year. by elections are year. all these by elections are racking the defeats we saw racking up the defeats we saw this year in selby and anstey and others. i mean, it is a drumbeat here of by—election defeats. it looks like more be coming our way. i mean, to be fair to scott benton, with a majority of just over three and 3500, he may not have been expecting to hold that seat at the next general election, but what sunak doesn't want is probably that to be highlighted as wall. so as a failure in the red wall. so near probably a general near to probably a big general election, looks like election, and that looks like what we may be coming down the track rishi okay track for rishi sunak. okay chris hope, thanks for joining madeleine grant's with us. >> you get the sense madam >> do you get the sense madam this government that's this is a government that's falling apart. >> yeah, does feel like that >> yeah, it does feel like that doesn't i mean, i think doesn't it? i mean, i think i wouldn't completely wouldn't say it's completely falling apart in a kind of sort of it's more of explosive sense. it's more like decline, just like managed decline, just getting successively worse. and like managed decline, just ge'christophersively worse. and like managed decline, just ge'christopher hope worse. and like managed decline, just ge'christopher hope pointedind like managed decline, just ge'christopher hope pointed out, as christopher hope pointed out, so. well there it's that kind of trickle of, of bad news every so often. just dampens the often. it just dampens the morale you more and morale. and you hear more and more mps who decide that even if

they quite a what would they have quite a what would normally be quite a safe majority 10,000, that majority of, say, 10,000, that they're going risk it they're not going to risk it again and they're to step again and they're going to step down at the next general election. all it this election. it's all it has this dampening effect morale, dampening effect on morale, but equally in a, in a way that that sense of general despair has actually slightly played into rishi sunak's hands in a way, because even the most anti sunak, ian um mp, knows that this is their last chance and they can't start rolling the dice again and having another tory leadership race. >> part of the problem as well, i think, in imposing discipline on the party is the fact that so many mps, madeleine, are standing down next time. so what power who are in power do the whips who are in charge discipline, power charge of discipline, what power do over them? they do they have over them? they can't say, okay, um, we're you're you'll be a you're going to you'll be a backbencher for the rest of your life. they're standing there. i mean, i suppose they can say, we'll get you a knighthood, old boy, you go. but it's not boy, when you go. but it's not so easy. that's a very good so easy. now, that's a very good point. so easy. now, that's a very good poiiand one another, another, >> and one another, another, another thing i've seen a bit recently was, um, the for

recently was, um, the mp for northampton, it northampton, i think, um, is it northampton? um, peterborough . northampton? um, peterborough. sorry. peterborough. he sorry. it's peterborough. he stepped down, um, because many of his constituents disagreed with government's position with the government's position on israel. gaza from a junior ministerial position. yeah, that's suggests to me there is someone who actually cares much more being in the more about being in the constituency campaigning for constituency and campaigning for the next general election. so there are quite people there are quite a few people that actually want to that actually wouldn't want to be ministers. right now, because it away time and it would take away time and energy that need ensure energy that they need to ensure their survival, basically. energy that they need to ensure their survi'al, basically. energy that they need to ensure their survi mean, ically. energy that they need to ensure their survi mean, ifally. if >> yeah. i mean, if you if you've got a marginal seat, you don't want to be westminster, don't want to be in westminster, you've the you've got to be in the constituency morning, noon and night. >> what does all of this tell us about when a general election might it like one might be? it feels like one week. come on. and we week. we'll come on. and we think it's may, the next think it's may, and the next week felt more like week it's felt more like october. and more recently, october. and then more recently, they're before they're starting to think before they're starting to think before the i've been made man for >> i've been a made man for quite a while. >> there may not be enough good news surely, but i think news by may, surely, but i think if hasn't fixed the boats and if he hasn't fixed the boats and it doesn't look like he's going to, though giving it to, even though he's giving it his best effort.

>> yeah, the idea of hundreds of boats channel every >> yeah, the idea of hundreds of boats if channel every >> yeah, the idea of hundreds of boats if a channel every >> yeah, the idea of hundreds of boats if a mild zhannel every >> yeah, the idea of hundreds of boats if a mild summerzvery week, if it's a mild summer in the summer, would be catastrophic. >> that's a very point. >> that's a very good point. and also will try to, you also that they will try to, you know, in the budget in the spring, they will probably be some of good news. yeah. some kind of good news. yeah. and they use that to and then they will use that to kind of bounce general kind of bounce into the general election with a, with a bit of high morale. i used to be of that opinion, but equally i still there many mps still think there are many mps who that the government, who believe that the government, there's they could do there's something they could do to this around. there to turn all this around. there might some lever haven't might be some lever they haven't pulled switch that can pulled yet or a switch that can be pressed, and not sure be pressed, and i'm not sure what but i still think what that is, but i still think there is this slightly kind of micawberish feeling that things might get better. um, and might just get better. um, and things around. things will turn around. >> maybe it's >> i'm not. and maybe it's a case of also waiting to case of also waiting for to labour up spectacularly labour slip up spectacularly because at the moment they're just playing with a very straight being straight bat and being very quiet most of the time, aren't they? and not making any. they don't have anything, just don't have to do anything, just have not lose. have to not lose. >> and actually, such is >> yeah. and actually, such is the level dysfunction the the level of dysfunction in the conservative the level of dysfunction in the con beingive the level of dysfunction in the conbeing allowed to say things are being allowed to say things that are genuinely, totally shameless. quite shameless. like i was quite i was sort of gasped, um,

was sort of sort of gasped, um, a couple of weeks ago in the chamber when keir starmer said to sunak, like, how's that to rishi sunak, like, how's that going migration policy? going on migration policy? and i just god, we've just thought, oh my god, we've got labour getting yes. got labour now getting to yes. >> to be a tory >> and this used to be a tory strong card, absolutely tough on immigration and quite a lot of the um, for example, human the um, for example, the human rights um, quite lot rights act um, it's quite a lot of, just initially of, and also just initially having level of mass having that level of mass migration that was unheard of before the 90s. migration that was unheard of befithatie 90s. migration that was unheard of befithat was)s. migration that was unheard of befithat was blair era stuff >> that was blair era stuff then. really have then. they don't really have a leg have a leg leg or they shouldn't have a leg to stand on, but that that is the way that the such is the conservative of this conservative management of this issue that they're actually being outflanked by the migrate the movement party the free movement party basically. writing >> um, i've seen your writing recently a bit about the recently a little bit about the covid inquiry of course, covid inquiry and of course, that lingers over this that shadow lingers over this government well . so, um, do government as well. so, um, do you think it's going to make any beanng you think it's going to make any bearing on how people feel about what happened in the last three years when comes to an years when it comes to an election people are election or people are entrenched in how they feel that was handled, that's was handled, maybe that's a really question. was handled, maybe that's a reaii'm question. was handled, maybe that's a reaii'm sure question. was handled, maybe that's a reaii'm sure thatestion. was handled, maybe that's a reaii'm sure that ition. was handled, maybe that's a reaii'm sure that it will >> i'm not sure that it will make that difference, make that much difference, because i don't know how much

sort of ordinary voters are aware the covid inquiry it aware of the covid inquiry as it trundles mean, obviously trundles on. i mean, obviously every often they have someone every so often they have someone a big name like boris johnson or the appearing the prime minister appearing in front there's front of it, and then there's a great deal of media interest, but then you go into another module, let's say, and it becomes more technical. people start to switch off a bit. i mean, frankly, i mean, i'm sure we agree on we, we have a lot in common when it comes to our view of but i'm sure most of lockdown, but i'm sure most people believe was people still believe that it was the right thing to do and actually part of the reason that rishi he came in, rishi sunak, when he came in, was much than was polling so much higher than his party was that he was associated furlough and associated with furlough and people personally associated with furlough and peop saving personally associated with furlough and peop saving businesses. ly with saving their businesses. yeah all the and people have yeah and all the and people have so not really made the so far not really made the connection between of connection between the state of the right now or the the economy right now or the state of the nhs waiting lists . state of the nhs waiting lists. i government gets i think the government gets blamed dysfunction, blamed for the dysfunction, often lockdown decisions often not the lockdown decisions . yeah, and not the legacy of lockdown , if that makes sense. lockdown, if that makes sense. >> people short memories. >> people have short memories. >> people have short memories. >> and course. and of >> yeah. and of course. and of course the labour party course also the labour party gets with it again too, gets away with it again too, because they were even more

evangelical lockdowns than evangelical about lockdowns than the wanted it the tories. they wanted it soonen the tories. they wanted it sooner. longer. sooner. yeah. and longer. >> yeah. i mean they do. and this is just part politics this is just part of politics that charge that whoever's in charge gets the blame it. i mean, the blame for it. i mean, there's no way that gordon brown was not responsible for the financial 2008, but financial crash of 2008, but they punished for it. they still got punished for it. you them's you know, sometimes you them's the as boris said, the breaks. but as boris said, yeah, you know, and now , yeah, you know, and even now, now still not calling now labour are still not calling for the covid inquiry to be a different shape, a different format, different costing, not to have limits on it. >> and i presume if they come in they can't really change it now anyway because all the terms of references, decided references, oh yeah, are decided for few. let's say we'd for the next few. let's say we'd sit tortuously through it for the next three years. >> really like the shape the next three years. >>the ally like the shape the next three years. >>the questions.ike the shape the next three years. >>the questions are the shape the next three years. >>the questions are arriving)e the next three years. >>the questions are arriving at of the questions are arriving at a predetermined conclusion that we down early we didn't lock down early enough. didn't down hard enough. we didn't lock down hard enough, actually , so enough, and then actually, so many have saved many lives could have been saved if listened and if only they had listened and locked earlier. at the locked down earlier. at the beginning. there's actually beginning. and there's actually lots evidence that you know, lots of evidence that you know, that would simply that would have simply been deferring and deferring. of course, mortality and the course, this mortality and the data from sweden shows that now ,

data from sweden shows that now, if you're looking at all excess deaths are at the deaths, they are right at the bottom the league table in bottom of the league table in terms of excess mortality taken as a as a whole, suggesting that they were definitely onto something. these kinds of issues are just even being they're are just not even being they're not being asked, are they ? not even being asked, are they? >> grant of the >> yeah. madeline grant of the daily great to see daily telegraph great to see you. right. still to come this morning gary lineker finally morning is gary lineker finally going get card from the going to get a red card from the bbc director—general davie. bbc director—general tim davie. well, now that there's a well, perhaps now that there's a new chairman of the bbc, this is britain's newsroom on .

the camilla tominey show sunday mornings from 930 on gbillionews . defined you as britain's newsroom on gbillionews, with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> now pressure is growing on the bbc to take action and finally remove gary lineker from their presenting line—up. after repeatedly making political posts on social media. >> so we're joined now by former bbc roger bolton and bbc presenter roger bolton and the journalist and the former bbc journalist and royal michael royal correspondent michael cole. morning to cole. gentlemen, good morning to you, if we could go to you, roger. if we could go to you, roger. if we could go to you first, he appears to have lineker gone too far. according to the new chairman of the bbc, samir shah, because he criticised personally a member of parliament. is that fair ? a of parliament. is that fair? a fair assessment of why he could be in difficulties now ? be in difficulties now? >> i think that's right. although the bbc's own media edhon although the bbc's own media editor, when these latest guidelines were introduced , said guidelines were introduced, said they were as clear as mud . i they were as clear as mud. i mean, there's a question of whether you think he crossed the

guidelines and whether they can be proven clearly in a legal context to have done so . but i context to have done so. but i think he has the incoming chairman thinks has , although chairman thinks he has, although the incoming chairman, if he's approved by parliament, samir shah, did say it's a question of how egregious it is. but the plain fact is, if you're focussed on the future of the bbc, like the director general, you're faced with the pressures you've got under the cuts that have just been made effectively , have just been made effectively, large cuts bbc spending with large cuts in bbc spending with all other problems face, all the other problems you face, middle east, the last thing in the world you want is this story . running and running and running and if gary, you know, had really put the bbc in public service broadcasting first, he would have shut up. but he clearly won't. i mean, he believes these things genuinely. he's not he's a genuine guy. um, but this is crazy. >> um, let's have a look at one of his tweets. this is, um, one of his tweets. this is, um, one of the many tweets that gary lineker has sent out now on x. uh, the quotes here, there's four pictures of grant shapps.

it says a bit rich coming from someone who can't even stick to one name for shapps shapps. um, and so he's, he's suggesting putting that grant shapps has four different identities. i don't know whether that's true or not. um, the tweet that i saw go on. roger >> sorry. sorry to interrupt you. what he's referring to there is the fact that , um, in there is the fact that, um, in his previous business dealings, mr shapps used three names which were not his own . now, you can were not his own. now, you can either say that us or whatever, but that is a reference to the fact that mr shapps, as a result of mr shapps using these three names, people may have thought there were three real people behind it. in fact, only only mr shapps was behind it. but the point about that, you point about that is that, you know , this is pretty much an know, this is pretty much an attack on an individual, which i think the guidelines say, yeah , think the guidelines say, yeah, that's where i think. >> and also the other one was jonathan gullis mp , who jonathan gullis mp, who basically tweeted to say that gary lineker, another breach of

the bbc's impartiality rules. sadly, spineless tim davie will do nothing about it, having surrendered, surrendered to link lineker previously and gary lineker previously and gary lineker retweeted that michael cole and he said jonathan hasn't read the new guidelines or should i say had someone read them him? they're just sort them to him? they're just sort of , insulting spats, of childless, insulting spats, aren't they? and of course, um, the bbc social media rules just just to just to just to bottom this out, michael, as to what he might have done, the bbc social media rules say, uh, don't you are not allowed to criticise the character of individual politicians in the uk. that's precisely what he did do. michael >> good morning beverley. good morning andrew. good morning rogen morning andrew. good morning roger. uh, the bbc needs to get a grip. it is a adopted a completely craven posture in the face of mr lineker. now now and before. quite clearly, he has transcended the guidelines by making personal attacks on mps. and it's more than that. he is

the highest paid person at the bbc. on the screen or anywhere else , and that comes with it. a else, and that comes with it. a responsibility to act in a way that does not compromise the bbc's political neutrality . bbc's political neutrality. because without that , uh, its because without that, uh, its reasons for being , uh, cease to reasons for being, uh, cease to exist . but, reasons for being, uh, cease to exist. but, um, it is quite , uh, exist. but, um, it is quite, uh, abject the way the bbc has behaved in this situation . they behaved in this situation. they should take action. they made gary lineker, he was . gary lineker, he was. a loquacious footballer. they made him into a star in the old days, when roger was there, they used to make stars . if you didn't to make stars. if you didn't kill people , people moved on. go on. >> somebody else go on. roger bolton, let's bring you in one second. michael >> i i'm sorry to interrupt you, but to be honest, gary lineker made himself a star by being the most wonderful footballer who

could spoil the most fabulous goals and also , he's an goals and also, he's an excellent presenter and he does work . work. >> look for other channels. there's a real principle here, which the collision of which is the collision of principles, there? there's principles, isn't there? there's the freedom of speech, the right to freedom of speech, which you champion you, champion properly, and you, you, you your programme. and you use on your programme. and then the obligation of the then it's the obligation of the bbc to be impartial and the there's difficulty with news there's no difficulty with news and current rules and current affairs. the rules are clear . you don't are very clear. you don't comment if you do in this way, you're out. that's the way it should be. >> bit, roger. just >> here's the bit, roger. just just just help me understand. this worth the this is gary lineker worth the stress to the bbc and the money. all he is now is a footballer for many years ago. who can read a piece of camera and have a little about football. little chat about football. it's not that complicated, roger. what still bring to the channel >> oh well , dudley, you say >> oh well, dudley, you say anybody could do your job. >> anyone could do this job. oh, i tell you what, i've. >> roger, i'm offering to do it for a third of the money. >> but but but why him? >> but but but why him? >> but but but why him? >> but i mean, listen, the premier league comes through

dozens, hundreds of footballers every year. there's got to be someone that. every year. there's got to be sonthe e that. every year. there's got to be sonthe answert. every year. there's got to be sonthe answer your question. the >> the answer your question. the separate whether separate question about whether he's much. agree with separate question about whether he's he much. agree with separate question about whether he's he is. much. agree with separate question about whether he's he is. butiuch. agree with separate question about whether he's he is. but in:h. agree with separate question about whether he's he is. but in terms|ree with separate question about whether he's he is. but in terms of; with separate question about whether he's he is. but in terms of histh you. he is. but in terms of his abilities, he's a brilliant footballer. he really understands football. he's a very analyst, he's charming very good analyst, he's charming and a excellent and he's a very excellent presenter. must one of the presenter. he must be one of the best presenters now. still best presenters now. i still don't he's the don't think he's worth the money, why he's in money, but that's why he's in the and do you want the the job. and do you want the best presenters on the bbc? on the do, but there's the whole you do, but there's a price the price too high price and the price is too high in of what he's paid and in terms of what he's paid and the price is too high now in what he's saying air. so i what he's saying on air. so i think it's unfortunate in the case that he will, he and the bbc will have to part. now, i think it's sad. and i say gary's genuine in his beliefs, but he's actually, i think, let the bbc down. >> yeah. and michael last >> yeah. and michael just last just quick to you just last quick word to you michael he's just acts michael cole. he's just acts with impunity. how much longer can carry can he carry on. >> well, it depends whether the bbc got any backbone, bbc has got any backbone, whether shah is confirmed whether samir shah is confirmed as chairman. seems to as the chairman. he seems to have a dim view of all this. you know, the bbc used to make its own stars, and it used to act

accordingly. if gary lineker has political views, there's always speaker's corner. he can buy a placard, he can take part in a demonstration , he mustn't demonstration, but he mustn't use prestige of the bbc use the prestige of the bbc to forward his political views. it's quite as simple as that. if it's quite as simple as that. if i just say very, very i can just say very, very briefly. i worked for the bbc for years, more than a fifth for 20 years, more than a fifth of existence. i i, i filed of its existence. i i, i filed thousands of reports, thousands , thousands of reports, thousands, and i never expressed one political opinion or a personal opinion. and in all that time. >> but you work in news and current affairs, and that's the distinction. except gary does not correct. which correct . more difficult. >> roger and i, i was the most i was ever paid in a year. 1987 was ever paid in a year. 1987 was £47,000, i believe in what i was £47,000, i believe in what i was doing. i was beaten up in belfast. i was fired out. >> okay, gentlemen . >> okay, gentlemen. >> okay, gentlemen. >> right, gentlemen. round three. another time, another time. gentlemen we can't go into overtime. >> we've already gone into overtime. we can't have a penalty shoot off as well. thanks so much, roger bolton and

michael michael right. michael and michael cole. right. still to come morning. still to come this morning. missing norwich the search missing norwich mum. the search for mother of three. gaynor for the mother of three. gaynor lord she's lord resumed this morning. she's been five days. been missing for five days. we'll any news about we'll bring you any news about that. very story. it must be that. very sad story. it must be extremely the extremely stressful for the family first, though. your morning news with sophia wenzler . a good debate . . that's a good debate. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> bev, it's 1033. i'm >> thank you. >> bev, it's1033. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . the wenzler in the gb newsroom. the father, stepmother and uncle of ten year old sarah sharif have pleaded not guilty to her murder . the ten year old's body was discovered at her home in surrey in august , the day before sarah in august, the day before sarah was discovered . the three was discovered. the three defendants left the uk for pakistan on with five children before returning a month later. all three are due to appear at the old bailey ahead of a trial in september. next year. committee on standards is recommending scott benton be suspended for 35 days from the

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that i knew had dewbs & co that i knew had dewbs& co weeknights from six. >> it's 1040. you're with britain's newsroom on gb news with amte power sam bev turner, and now we're talking about the missing mum, mother of three, whose belongings were discovered in locations. she's in various locations. she's gained went missing gained a lord who went missing near river wensum in norwich near the river wensum in norwich on afternoon . on friday afternoon. >> that's right. it was about 235. it's prompted search 235. it's prompted a huge search by police divers , fire crews and

by police divers, fire crews and also the coastguard we're joined live now in norwich by our national reporter, theo chikomba . morning. theo um, it's . good morning. theo um, it's got, um , eerie echoes of the got, um, eerie echoes of the nicola bulley story. of course. this, um, what are you hearing there? uh, on the ground in norwich ? yes norwich? yes >> well, a very good morning to you.so >> well, a very good morning to you. so in the last hour or so, we've seen some of those specialist dive team colleagues arrive back on the scene here at wensum park in norwich . wensum park in norwich. >> now, we understand that the police were able to find some of those items last week . and those items last week. and indeed a member of the public also alerted the police after having seen some of those items in this area. so just over my right shoulder there is a white tent just over there, and the specialist teams have just begun to arrive and they were here into the evening yesterday, working into the water. their searches in the water and on the land just over my left shoulder. and some officers have been here in the last hour or so going

through some of the rubble , through some of the rubble, which is just behind me , next to which is just behind me, next to the water. but in terms of the investigation , we understand investigation, we understand that norfolk police are also in conversation with, uh , conversation with, uh, lancashire police, particularly . lancashire police, particularly. we saw that case earlier this year with nicola burley, who was missing for several weeks and they are looking to learn some lessons from that incident, which took place earlier this yeah which took place earlier this year. but here, though, they are working with lincolnshire police as well . some specialist as well. some specialist officers have come to assist them as part of their investigation. of course . investigation. of course. yesterday we saw that cctv footage of gain and lord um, after having left work just after having left work just after 2 pm, just over an hour before she was due to finish her shift, and she was seen rushing through town . and of course, through town. and of course, it's raised more questions as to why that is the case. and then of course, she was last seen in

this area. but at the moment it's not quite clear what has happened.the it's not quite clear what has happened. the police are still working on that working hypothesis that she may be in the water, and they're continuing to search this area to establish what has happened. okay >> thank you. >> thank you. >> theo theo chikomba. yeah, we've got in studio with us. is karen maloney and sam lister. sam lister pollard of the express and karen maloney, writer and broadcaster. currently, it's right there are echoes here of nicola burley, aren't there? >> chilling. >> it's chilling. it's absolutely and what absolutely chilling. and what your didn't say there was your report didn't say there was that you know she was she came out of work at 244 and seemed perfectly happy . but then she perfectly happy. but then she was seen running through the grounds of the cathedral and, and the thought is that she may have met someone and talked to someone in there, because when she work, she was smiling. she left work, she was smiling. when she when she emerged from the grounds of the cathedral, she was not. she looked distressed. and then she wasn't seen was running and seen and she was running and then wasn't seen after that. then she wasn't seen after that. now found some of her now they have found some of her

clothes in, in a pile. they now they have found some of her clothe her, in a pile. they now they have found some of her clothe her phone. le. they now they have found some of her clothe her phone. theyiey now they have found some of her clothe her phone. they found her found her phone. they found her handbag. found her phone. they found her handbag . all chilling echoes handbag. all chilling echoes again because they again of the body because they found her phone on a bench near where she'd been sitting. but it just seems incredible, doesn't it? in this day and age that you can just disappear off the face of the earth with all the cameras that we have, all the cctv everywhere, how can you just off face of just disappear off the face of the what the hell the earth? and what the hell happened between 4:00? happened between 244 and 4:00? >> police are saying >> and the police are saying if anybody saw her in the cathedral grounds, if they could come forward they're forward because they're obviously what obviously concerned about what went you went on in those grounds, you know as well? know what worries me as well? >> cops that are handling >> the cops that are handling this same cops that this are the same cops that handled nicola burley case handled the nicola burley case and chief superintendent and the chief superintendent is saying, know, are aware saying, you know, we are aware of report, we're aware of of the report, we're aware of the that, know, you the lessons that, you know, you know, have well, know, we have learned. well, let's and let's let's hope they are and let's hope they they find she's um she's rushing sam. >> mean , she nearly hit >> i mean, she nearly gets hit by there, doesn't she? by cars there, doesn't she? there's as clearly there's something as clearly alerted her get across there, alerted her to get across there, almost as if she's running from something or someone. >> yeah . i mean, clearly it's >> yeah. i mean, clearly it's all, um, incredibly worrying and

tragic and, um . i think the tragic and, um. i think the important thing is to learn the lessons from the nicola case, though, isn't it? that we know that the police handled that badly? they've been criticised for obviously we would for that. and obviously we would hope the police in this hope that the police in this scenario would, respect scenario would, um, respect that, the privacy of that, um, respect the privacy of the family and respect, you know, we what we don't want to see um, erroneous facts see is, um, erroneous facts being out on fact that being put out on the fact that she allegedly drank too much she was allegedly drank too much or mental health issues. or had mental health issues. >> was terribly >> yeah. which was terribly unfair for the family to have to read all that. >> absolutely. i i hope >> absolutely. so i hope i hope the have i know they have the police have i know they have beenin the police have i know they have been in contact, haven't they, with police too. and with lancashire police too. and find you know, lessons find out, um, you know, lessons on how to this case. but on how to handle this case. but it is a sort of case that does people interested because it is a sort of case that does pe0|look interested because it is a sort of case that does pe0|look at nterested because it is a sort of case that does pe0|look at thatested because it is a sort of case that does pe0|look at that footage :ause it is a sort of case that does pe0|look at that footage and, you look at that footage and, and want to know, like and people do want to know, like how disappear? there is how can you disappear? there is so there are so many so many there are so many cameras. understand cameras. people can't understand and be here. and and how you can be here. and then and then there's no trace. >> so i think, of course, it doesn't matter what time of year these things happen, but when it happens to christmas,

happens close to christmas, yeah, almost, almost yeah, it seems almost, almost all poignant. all the more poignant. >> yeah. >> exactly. yeah. >> exactly. yeah. >> because it's a time for family. we're counting family. you know, we're counting down, family. you know, we're counting dovall the times. every day. >> all the times. every day. >> all the times. every day. >> and she's got daughters. >> and she's got daughters. >> their daughters. yeah >> their daughters. yeah >> strange. >> three kids. very strange. desperate for them. >> makes think >> and that makes you think something hellish has happened because no one was going to walk away from three any time. >> of the year. >> of the year. >> very rare. not. >> of the year. >> no.i rare. not. >> of the year. >> no. sore. not. >> of the year. >> no. so so not. it is >> no. so so it is it is worrying in the extreme. now on. >> no, no, i should say before the break i did ask our audience what percentage of boats they thought would be removed, the percentage people the percentage of people on the small would removed small boats would be removed from is the from britain. carol, what is the enormous ? enormous percentage? >> 1? >> 1? >> i mean , it is astonishing. >> i mean, it is astonishing. >> i mean, it is astonishing. >> is it not 1? >>— >> is it not 1? >> it's terrible . >> it's terrible. >> it's terrible. >> you know, of the 118,000 or something that are that have come since 2018 or 20. i can't remember . come since 2018 or 20. i can't remember. um, only 1% of that accounts of 1182 migrants have been removed . been removed. >> they've probably come back already. >> well, they probably have, and that's what they do. but but you know, this will further i mean, we're probably going to talk

know, this will further i mean, we're itobably going to talk know, this will further i mean, we're it aftery going to talk know, this will further i mean, we're it after the ing to talk know, this will further i mean, we're it after the break,talk know, this will further i mean, we're it after the break, but about it after the break, but this will this will further inflame the right that allowed rishi's through by rishi's to bill go through by a whisker week. by 44 votes. whisker this week. by 44 votes. um saying that policy had to um saying that the policy had to toughen well, will this toughen up. well, this will this will say you've got to will make them say you've got to toughen more. yeah toughen up even more. yeah >> astonishing. although sam >> astonishing. and although sam a people will argue we a lot of people will argue we had tobias on earlier had tobias ellwood on earlier saying it's distracting from had tobias ellwood on earlier sayinthe s distracting from had tobias ellwood on earlier sayinthe otherracting from had tobias ellwood on earlier sayinthe otherracting andi from the other issues and distracting the number of distracting from the number of people coming legally, people coming here legally, which well over a which we know is well over a million. uh, because we million. yeah uh, because we only figure. but only get the net figure. but this they've really got to this shows they've really got to do something because it just shows a week. knock kneed government that can't stop these people coming and then can't flip and get rid of them and can't deport people. flip and get rid of them and can't de and people. flip and get rid of them and can't de and also le. flip and get rid of them and can't de and also the numbers of >> um, and also the numbers of albanians who were actually deported was staggeringly low . deported was staggeringly low. and obviously we have this agreement with albania, but they keep going on about how successful it's been. yeah and albania obviously a safe albania is obviously a safe country. um, you know , a country. it's um, you know, a part of, uh, europe. so um, so, so that is it shows how difficult it is to, to actually do this. but also i think the

bigger issue is it's the home office. the home office for decades has been unfit for purpose. we know this under laboun purpose. we know this under labour. they don't return in 2006, when he was labour home secretary. >> this department is not fit for purpose. never has been since. no. >> and they it into two >> and they split it into two departments. ministry of justice. take care of the courts. prisons all that courts. the prisons and all that side it. and that was side of it. and that was supposed to make a viable supposed to make it a viable department. it never has been. it cannot , um, it cannot it clearly cannot, um, it cannot carry out the basic functions it's supposed, it seems to be it seems to be worse than that. >> it seems to be actually actively stopping people from being deported . and, you know, being deported. and, you know, how can it take 18 months to process one application? it's beyond stupid. and you were talking about number talking about the number of albanians only 423 have albanians there, only 423 have been returned. i mean , there has been returned. i mean, there has never been here in the. so do you think they've been misleading this because misleading us about this because they've us what they've been telling us what a great success the returns policy has been sending record has been for sending record numbers has been for sending record nur nothing. has been for sending record nurit's hing. has been for sending record nurit's absolutely it's >> it's absolutely it's absolutely tosh. and know, absolutely tosh. and you know, this just shows anything this just shows that if anything shows have to do something

shows we have to do something now, uh, is it. because we now, uh, this is it. because we have totally lost control of our borders. you know, we are. so you know, the of europe now you know, the rest of europe now is actually , i was thinking the is actually, i was thinking the other day labour and some of the tory are so far in tory party are so far behind in immigration policy. they're so out what europe out of touch with what europe thinks. know, think thinks. you know, they think europe big i am. and you europe is the big i am. and you know, the of migrants know, the kind of migrants they're almost every country they're not almost every country in trying get in europe is now trying to get a rwanda policy in place. italy already has. it's got a deal with with albania, you know, germany got every every germany has got every every i think it was matthew goodwin did a piece in the sun. a great piece today in the sun. every that has a pro every country that has a pro national all party saying control immigration is soaring in the post. yeah. europe is sick to the back teeth. so you know something's got to be done or there's going to be anarchy. there just is. yeah. >> and prime minister is off to see the italian prime minister weekend. she's incredibly hardline , hardline. hardline, very hardline. >> interesting she >> and it's interesting that she seems his pal in seems to be his biggest pal in europe. um, and we asked europe. yeah. um, and we asked number 10 about this yesterday. why why is he so to

why why is he so close to giorgio meloni? and number 10 say because they've got say it's because they've got very views tackling very similar views on tackling this issue, it is crucial this issue, that it is crucial for both of them. >> they might he might >> well, they might he might have similar views, but he's not doing much about it. >> is trying with rwanda . yeah. >> i mean, to be fairto be yeah. >> i mean, to be fair to be fair to him, i think he is absolutely committed the rwanda to him, i think he is absolutely commioff! the rwanda to him, i think he is absolutely commioff the the rwanda to him, i think he is absolutely commioff the ground the rwanda to him, i think he is absolutely commioff the ground and rwanda policy off the ground and getting a flight the ground. getting a flight off the ground. um, he because he knows um, because he because he knows how that to voters. how important that is to voters. that and unless that is symbolic. and unless he delivers that, he's really delivers that, he's he's really toast . toast. >> toast, don't you think? >> toast, don't you think? >> simon, you guys have seen it this week parliament that this week in parliament that i fear for the future of the tory party in this. and this is one of the greatest democratic parties been parties in history. it's been around the 1700s. and it's around since the 1700s. and it's going be torn apart. it's going to be torn apart. it's tearing itself apart over one policy that probably isn't going to work. i mean, god, i wanted to work. i mean, god, i wanted to work, but it probably isn't going to work in its current form. they're tearing form. and they're tearing themselves a before themselves apart a year before an yeah. the hell an election. yeah. what the hell is happen? is going to happen? >> do know what >> i know, do you know what astonished this week? astonished me? this week? because a lot of time because i've spent a lot of time talking to lots of different mps

on bits of the party, on different bits of the party, and obviously right itself and obviously the right itself is five, five is split into five, five families. um some of those are absolutely destroying absolutely intent on destroying the other wing of the party. it's and say, do you not it's not. and i say, do you not forget that you actually supposed taking the fight supposed to be taking the fight to they're not to labour? yeah, they're not bothered. each other. >> i mean, that's what's so maddening. and to see times maddening. and to see at times this questions yesterday. uh rishi sunak. being taunted and teased kirsten teased and mocked by kirsten who's got no flipping policy on immigration all. this used to immigration at all. this used to be the great strong issue for the tories. >> what's starmer's policy is, oh, let's the gangs oh, let's smash the gangs like no of that. no one's ever thought of that. >> does he really imagine if >> and does he really imagine if he gets some of the gangs, it's going wanting to going to stop people wanting to come. not coming because come. they're not coming because they're persecution. come. they're not coming because they're coming 3ersecution. come. they're not coming because they're coming because on. come. they're not coming because they're coming because they're they're coming because they're fleeing to fleeing poverty. we've got to keep vote keep telling people, if you vote laboun keep telling people, if you vote labour, fine, that's what you're going to let even more people in. >> right. let's in. right. let's talk about >> um, right. let's talk about gary shall we? are his gary lineker, shall we? are his days number going to be days number is going to be a very this is going to be a very positive constructive conversation positive constructive con i arsation positive constructive coni think in positive constructive coni thinkyn might be four >> i think there might be four agreements here. >> very possibly i mean

>> i think very possibly i mean look the chances are that the bbc's new chairman incoming sammy. >> sammy shah might be the one to say enough and have a word with tim davie and say, gary lineker is not worth the aggro . lineker is not worth the aggro. >> i mean, he's clearly, clearly frustrated . he's not even frustrated. he's not even starting the job. he's already frustrated man. we've frustrated by this man. we've got, um, grant shapps on the front of our paper today. uh, exclusive. he's he's basically he's that people he's saying that people would welcome silence from welcome a period of silence from gary christmas um, think gary over christmas. um, i think what strikes me is this is all about gary lineker. it's all about gary lineker. it's all about his own profile. if he cared about the bbc so much, he would not keep making these fights . all he does is put the fights. all he does is put the bbc and the licence fee back into the middle of the discussion that back on the front pages, back on um, he's not in the tories. >> he's actually hurt the bbc. yeah. you know, and i feel like the tide might be turning. there's a former bbc director called danny cohen. he he called for him to be sacked and he said, he said it's like a footballer with an out—of—control ego. he said he's

behaving bigger behaving like he's much bigger than case a than his club, in this case a bbc. with his insulin inference. he said. he said and he said there's like. davie, the there's a like. tim davie, the director he said can't director general, he said can't or anything to stop or won't do anything to stop him. the tide is him. so i think the tide is turning. i think guns are turning. i think the guns are gathering against yeah and gathering against him. yeah and when guy sammy shaw gets when this guy sammy shaw gets in, think do. he's already in, i think i do. he's already said he disagrees with what lineker saying about lineker is actually saying about about policy and about the rwanda policy and about the rwanda policy and about boats. but about stopping the boats. but what he's really upset is what he's really upset about is the insulting and he's what he's really upset about is timean, insulting and he's what he's really upset about is timean, who insulting and he's what he's really upset about is timean, who waslting and he's what he's really upset about is timean, who was the] and he's what he's really upset about is timean, who was the guy! he's what he's really upset about is timean, who was the guy hez's what he's really upset about is timean, who was the guy he said i mean, who was the guy he said he he suggested he couldn't read. suggest read. jonathan gullies suggest that he couldn't read. >> i mean, it's >> how dare he? i mean, it's just but also a of people just but also a lot of people watching listening thinking, just but also a lot of people watcam] listening thinking, just but also a lot of people watcam i listening thinking, just but also a lot of people watcam i paying ening thinking, just but also a lot of people watcam i paying my|g thinking, just but also a lot of people watcam i paying my licenceing, just but also a lot of people watc am i paying my licence fee, why am i paying my licence fee, which nearly, to listen which is £170, nearly, to listen to pontificating politically? >> yeah. and i think a lot of people on the side say, people on the other side say, well, he's a football well, look, he's a football presenter . presenter. >> you know, he's not presenting the news. it the 6:00 news. yeah. does it matter? yeah. but then i think you to think, what if you have to think, what if claudia winkleman saying, claudia winkleman was saying, let's, deport people let's, uh, let's deport people to rwanda? would the left be happy about that? i'm not sure they would know or, you know, they'd be marching on broadcast

house you flip it and do house if you flip it and you do it on other side. i'm not it on the other side. i'm not sure these people would be making the same argument. >> just trying to >> you think he's just trying to get sacked and go down in a blaze of glory? carol, because you could he could work for an international channel and international sports channel and get amount get three times the amount he gets the bbc. gets from the bbc. >> yeah, the bbc, he thinks there's kudos being attached to there's kudos being attached to the don't think the bbc. and no, i don't think he wants to be sacked all. he wants to be sacked at all. he's he's i know he's on 1.3 but he still gets a load of money from walkers. yeah. for working he still gets a load of money frorotherkers. yeah. for working he still gets a load of money frorother channelsi. for working he still gets a load of money frorother channelsi. f> brighter outlook with boxt >> a brighter outlook with boxt

solar of weather on . gb news. >> good morning. i'm greg dewhurst. welcome to your latest gb news news forecast. a cloudy, damp start this morning, but it will brighten up from the northwest as we move through the day. and mild across western areas. and you can see that cloud rain across england cloud and rain across england and first thing, it and wales. first thing, it slowly way slowly sinks its way southeastwards go through southeastwards as we go through the sunnier skies the day, allowing sunnier skies across northern ireland and scotland to slowly push its way southward. so a dry picture here saw blustery showers, saw some blustery showers, though northwest though across northwest scotland, 2 of these heavy, scotland, 1 or 2 of these heavy, but you can the cloud but you can see the cloud holding on right through the day across cool here. across the southeast. cool here. 6 celsius, but in the west 6 or 7 celsius, but in the west rising to or 12. so above rising to 11 or 12. so above average for the time of year, with generally light wind. so it won't feel too bad in that sunshine on into the evening time quite chilly. and time turning quite chilly. and overnight some mist overnight we'll see some mist and patches forming across and fog patches forming across parts and and parts of england and wales and under clear skies . perhaps parts of england and wales and under clear skies. perhaps a under the clear skies. perhaps a touch frost a little bit more touch of frost a little bit more of and cloud the

of a breeze and cloud across the northern half of the uk. we'll keep it frost free here. 1 2 keep it frost free here. 1 or 2 spots of light and drizzle spots of light rain and drizzle and still quite breezy here. 5 or 6 celsius in the south, close to freezing in the countryside and mist and fog patches slow to clear. first thing, but then plenty sunshine first thing plenty of sunshine first thing across england and wales, just cloud slowly increasing . cloud amounts slowly increasing. cloudier across cloudier skies, though across northern ireland and scotland through friday and increasing risk of rain across the highlands pushing its way eastwards day . some eastwards through the day. some of this could be heavy at times. the wind staying blustery the wind staying quite blustery here day. generally here in a mild day. generally for still a little chilly for most still a little chilly across some eastern coast. see you soon. you 500“. >> you soon. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> good morning. it's 11 am. on wednesday. the 14th of december. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with me, andrew pierce and bev turner. >> interest rates decision. rishi sunak has pledged to grow. the economy under scrutiny. rishi sunak has pledged to grow. the political' under scrutiny. rishi sunak has pledged to grow. the political editorder scrutiny. rishi sunak has pledged to grow. the political editor christopher our political editor christopher hope, has latest at. hope, has the very latest at. all eyes on midday for the interest rate decision and what it might mean for the timing of the next general election and the next general election and the missing man. >> search. police are appealing for help in their hunt for a norwich mother of three who's been not been sighted for five days. we'll bring you any

updates as they happen. updates as soon as they happen. >> miranda rebels headache rishi sunak says he's working tirelessly to get his rwanda plan off the ground, despite opposition from tory mps. plan off the ground, despite opposition from tory mps . we're opposition from tory mps. we're going to be talking to one of those mps in just a moment and another story that's got you talking. >> it certainly has. sainsbury's and tesco's make £300 million from your private data . if you from your private data. if you sign up to those loyalty card schemes. >> and now you might say, well, that's okay. like i know what i'm signing up to, but do you really know what you're signing up? so i think the bit that bothers me is the price differences. now massive price differences. now massive price differences in the you'll differences in the shops. you'll have it. we're all, you have seen it. we're all, you know, are watering. know, our eyes are watering. aren't doing the christmas aren't we doing the christmas shopping. expensive? everything. >> know they'll suck >> and i just know they'll suck you with lower prices. you in with the lower prices. and after six months, the difference be eroded. yeah,

difference will be eroded. yeah, you're you you're absolutely right. you know they're like. you're absolutely right. you kno let they're like. you're absolutely right. you kno let us they're like. you're absolutely right. you kno let us know're like. you're absolutely right. you kno let us know're liithoughts >> let us know your thoughts this morning. you've certainly been on emails been very busy on our emails about story. views at gb about that story. gb views at gb news. is email address. news. com is the email address. first latest first though, the very latest news wenzler . news from sophia wenzler. >> thank you beth. good morning. it's 11:01. i'm >> thank you beth. good morning. it's11:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . the father, in the gb newsroom. the father, stepmother and uncle of ten year old sara sharif have pleaded not guilty to her murder. the ten year old's body was discovered at her home in surrey in august, the sara was the day before sara was discovered . the three defendants discovered. the three defendants left pakistan with left the uk for pakistan with five before returning five children before returning a month later. the trial of all three will be in september next year. three will be in september next year . committee three will be in september next year. committee on standards is recommending scott benton be suspended for 35 days from the commons following a lobbying scandal. an investigation was launched after the blackpool south mp was filmed offering to leak confidential information to gambling industry chiefs. mr

benton was secretly being filmed by a reporters for the times, who offered him between 2000 and £4000 for two days work. the parliamentary committee has been looking into the allegations that his actions caused significant damage to the reputation of the house. the prime minister prepares to double down for the next stage of the rwanda bill, as tory mps remain indecisive of rishi sunaks emergency . legislation sunaks emergency. legislation won a vote in the commons only after 38 tory mps abstained . after 38 tory mps abstained. some mps called for the bill to be tightened, asking to deny asylum seekers individual appeals. but the government says it will must remain within international law and assured concerned peers . rwanda will not concerned peers. rwanda will not take deportees who have no legal recourse to strasbourg . recourse to strasbourg. meanwhile, the prime minister accuses labour of sabotaging his bill. legal experts, former judges have all said that the legislation is incredibly strong. >> it is effective , it will >> it is effective, it will work. the key now is to get it

on the statute book so we can get the scheme up and running. the question really, actually is for everyone who's trying to block that from happening. and first and foremost, the labour party, clear. we want party, we're very clear. we want to stop the boats. i want to tackle this problem. they're already a third. we've already down by a third. we've got to do. and you know, got more to do. and you know, the party is united the conservative party is united in to stopping the in wanting to stopping the boats. to boats. the labour party, to a person against this person voted against this legislation. the legislation. so really the question them is don't question for them is why don't they the boats? they want to stop the boats? >> the uk has signed an international treaty with japan and to a new and italy to develop a new generation of stealth fighter jets. deal will aim build jets. the deal will aim to build military planes supersonic military planes with supersonic capability, being able capability, including being able to provide 10,000 times more data systems . as data than current systems. as the headquarters for the global combat air program will be based in the uk, the planes will take to the skies in 2035 and serve as a successor to the raf typhoon defence defence secretary grant shapps says the uk is deeply invested in global security . security. >> the important time for the uk and japan to work closely together for the world is much

more contested now and we're seeing that with the various different conflicts . but it's different conflicts. but it's important that with the conflict in europe and a conflict in the middle east, that we don't forget that the indo—pacific also needs protection as well . also needs protection as well. and the united kingdom takes those responsibilities incredibly seriously . incredibly seriously. >> it's the sixth day in the search for a missing woman who was last seen in norwich city centre. gaynor lord was last spotted on cctv cameras on friday afternoon. norfolk and sabari says it is likely the 55 year old may have entered the water for an underwater search. teams have scoured the river miss lord's belongings, including clothing and a mobile phone, were found in a park near her workplace . former siemens uk her workplace. former siemens uk boss will lead a labour backed review into how the delivery of major rail projects can be improved .jurgen mayer will improved. jurgen mayer will oversee a panel of transport experts and investigate how infrastructure schemes can be completed better, faster and

more cost effectively. labour say the review is necessary because many projects like hs2 have suffered severe difficulties and delays. shadow transport secretary louise haigh said britain had immense potential but has been held back by 13 years of failure under the conservatives as troubled suppuer conservatives as troubled supplier thames water has named chris weston as its new ceo . mr chris weston as its new ceo. mr weston is the former boss of power specialist aggreko and will take on the post at the water firm from january. it's hoped he will help secure the company's financial future , for company's financial future, for it's after the uk's biggest water supplier has more than £1 billion of external debt, with the first £190 million due to be repaid in april next year. the first £190 million due to be repaid in april next year . this repaid in april next year. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to andrew and . bev.

back to andrew and. bev. >> good morning . it's 1106 back to andrew and. bev. >> good morning . it's1106 on >> good morning. it's1106 on thursday morning. this is my last britain's newsroom before christmas. andrew, i hate to tell you that she's. >> and she's been spending so much time choosing my christmas present , but you know what? she present, but you know what? she forgot bring it. forgot to bring it. >> he's devastated. actually >> he's devastated. i'm actually going on new year's going to be back on new year's day where will you be day morning. where will you be sleeping off hangover sleeping off your hangover somewhere. sleeping off your hangover son hangover certain . >> hangover for certain. >> hangover for certain. >> have you been saying >> um. what have you been saying at what's more at home? that's what's more important, barbara important, right? barbara has said unbelievable. said the bbc are unbelievable. they're money. said the bbc are unbelievable. they' seem money. said the bbc are unbelievable. they' seem to money. said the bbc are unbelievable. they' seem to be money. said the bbc are unbelievable. they' seem to be afraid money. said the bbc are unbelievable. they' seem to be afraid of|oney. said the bbc are unbelievable. they' seem to be afraid of the y. they seem to be afraid of the so—called stars like lineker. they are. poor i not they are. poor me. i could not pay they are. poor me. i could not pay bbc if i could not pay for the bbc if i could not pay pay for the bbc if i could not pay for the bbc if i could not pay for the bbc if i could not pay for the bbc, i would be glad i watched so little. >> yeah, and they said. audrey says they say no such says they say there's no such thing publicity. while thing as bad publicity. while people back forth. people debate back and forth. gary keeps airtime in gary lineker keeps airtime in the laughing all gary lineker keeps airtime in the way laughing all gary lineker keeps airtime in the way to laughing all gary lineker keeps airtime in the way to the laughing all gary lineker keeps airtime in the way to the bank.ughing all the way to the bank. >> and john says the bbc don't need or anyone presenting need him or anyone presenting their with stupid their programme with his stupid jokes you can jokes and opinions. run! you can come for those. run the come here for those. run the programme with more actual football millions of football and save millions of taxpayers fact, when taxpayers money. in fact, when he suspended, you he was suspended, do you remember? and nobody would stand

in they just showed in for him and they just showed the footage of the match up. exactly. >> it was the first time i had watched match of the day 38 watched match of the day in 38 years. i just turned just years. i just turned it on just to what was like and to see what it was like and i thought, no inane wittering from gary still didn't gary lineker. i still didn't watch to the because i'm watch it to the end because i'm not football. not really into football. >> other people in the team, >> no other people in the team, 11 players in team. 11 players in a team. >> you at least know that >> you must at least know that andrew and peter has andrew pierce and also peter has said miss lineker is the highest paid of all those on the bbc. as far as i'm aware, entitled far as i'm aware, he's entitled his course, but his opinion, of course, but not to use this huge platform that is bbc to spout forth his is the bbc to spout forth his political agenda. this brings the bbc into disrepute as the national they national broadcaster, and they should before out of should act before it gets out of hand. lot of are agreeing hand. a lot of you are agreeing that time for him that it's time for him to go, and he's not the hassle or and he's not worth the hassle or the money. >> we'll see what happens. now the bank of england going to the bank of england is going to announce latest interest announce its latest interest rate in the hour. rate decision in the next hour. let's our political let's go live to our political edhoh let's go live to our political editor, christopher our editor, christopher hope, in our shiny in westminster. shiny new studio in westminster. >> morning chris, in our >> good morning chris, in our lovely studio. we haven't even been to visit it yet. i must say

to this. no, this is true, right? uh, interest rates this afternoon. what are we expecting, chris? >> well, we're likely to see the bank of england holding them at 5.25. i think that's an indication. i think , of where indication. i think, of where the politics is. and it's this decision where i sit. i'm viewing it all through that kind of westminster type lens that vote this week by the tory mps by majority of 44, larger than you might expect, was as much about small boats as ensuring that mr sunak doesn't isn't forced into an early election early next year. i think he's going to go long into the back end of next year because rates are forecast to fall to about 4.25% as a liam halligan, our economics editor was saying earlier today, i think that's where it's going. and i think that's why the government is keen to get past this, this freezing today that we we freezing today that we are we are course, um, the are seeing, of course, um, the economy shrinking by 0.3. most recent numbers . but that's recent numbers. but that's a reaction , i think, to higher reaction, i think, to higher interest rates . and they're interest rates. and they're hoping it might come down and

then that might make everyone's mortgages feel a lot better and more affordable. this time next year ahead of an election. that's where i think that's going. there's all going. and i think there's all eyes there. on midday. >> mhm. um, another headache for rishi morning chris rishi sunak this morning chris scott benton mp for blackpool south in trouble and is suspended. and we think that will trigger a by—election >> yeah tory mp for blackpool south won his seat in 2019. um yeah. his majority is around 3600. was expecting to lose that seat in the general election. if the polls are anything to go by, he has been found to have well breached, uh, house of commons rule by an inquiry. um, he was, uh, caught out , um, offering uh, caught out, um, offering some advice and, and, um, offering to lobby for a gambling company . um, offering to lobby for a gambling company. um, mr offering to lobby for a gambling company . um, mr benton, um , offering to lobby for a gambling company. um, mr benton, um , he's company. um, mr benton, um, he's been given a 35 day suspension from the house of commons. that's three times more than you need to have in order to trigger what's so—called what's called a

recall by—election. what will recall by—election. so what will be happening now is in blackpool south, local people, will south, local people, they will have six weeks to say if they want to have a recall by—election, than 10% do by—election, if more than 10% do want one, then there want to have one, then there will a red wall will be one. a red wall by—election probably. i expect in or may into into his in april or may into into his being an mp coming on top of the peter bone expected by—election in wellingborough. so you're going to see these big tests early next year, which will be very difficult for mr sunak. he's expecting to lose both, one would have thought. certainly the blackpool south labour the blackpool south to labour and probably the wellingborough by—election. so easy. by—election. two so not easy. but it never rains. but it pours for the pm. but he is. he's on good form the moment. andrew good form at the moment. andrew and bev he's a party last and bev he's at a party last night with tory mps making jokes about mafia and about about about the mafia and about the families and mark the five families and mark francois he in francois and the like. he in private, he's quite chipper. you might be surprised to hear i am surprised hear. surprised to hear. >> we've got a tory mp >> well, we've got a tory mp with us, chris. >> thanks for that, tom hunt, mp for ipswich, is here. you for ipswich, is here. were you at the christmas party last

night 10? i was night in number 10? i was briefly, yeah. you're never out of 10 because you of number 10 because i saw you going breakfast the other going in for breakfast the other day. you, what were day. yeah were you, what were you um so when i went you fed with? um so when i went on tuesday morning, will geddes bacon rolls, fruit salad. uh, you know, but, you know, >> uh, you know, but, you know, obviously quickly had i had obviously i quickly had i had a bacon roll before the meeting started and then crept onto why is why rishi sunak so is why is rishi sunak so chipper? well, i mean, he was, you spoke to him last you know, i spoke to him last night, uh, started off night, um, uh, we started off actually talking our actually by talking about our respective football clubs because southampton respective football clubs bec and southampton respective football clubs bec and ipswich southampton respective football clubs bec and ipswich have uthampton respective football clubs bec and ipswich have currentlyin fan and ipswich have currently got a 12 point cushion over southampton. so had a quick southampton. so he had a quick chat about that. >> you in right. >> are you in right. >> are you in right. >> championship. it looks >> i'm championship. so it looks like get promoted like ipswich should get promoted to premier league. but but we went to business and went straight to business and um i i really want to be i mean i, i really want to be able to get behind this bill. i really want it to work. >> just so people know, you >> so just so people know, you abstained, abstained 29 abstained, i, i abstained 29 abstained. yeah >> which unusual. >> which is pretty unusual. a second yeah. last time >> which is pretty unusual. a segovernment yeah. last time >> which is pretty unusual. a segovernment was ah. last time >> which is pretty unusual. a segovernment was defeated ime a government was defeated at second reading yeah. second reading was 1986. yeah. um, but, you know, i voted for two previous bills, but i hoped would, would nip this would, would, would nip this problem bud terms of

problem in the bud in terms of the boats. and yes, there the small boats. and yes, there has been a you know, 30% reduction, are still reduction, but we are still in this position where got to this position where we've got to do crisis. do with the crisis. >> that to with the weather? >> i don't know what it's to do with, but, you know, we've still got this major problem, and that's don't have a that's because we don't have a deterrent until we get a workable deterrent. this is still be a major. still going to be a major. >> you want bill >> so you want the bill toughened how? toughened up? yeah how? >> want it to have any >> i don't want it to have any chinks in the armour. i think if that bill has any chinks in the armour, it would be armour, i think it would be ruthlessly exploited by left wing it be wing lawyers and it would be stuck like it has stuck in the courts like it has been there are some been previously. there are some issues individual claims. issues around individual claims. yeah. section orders yeah. and also section 39 orders from the european court. >> so are going to would you >> so are you going to would you in dream world, take away in your dream world, take away any right to appeal. >> i think we've got >> no, i mean i think we've got to cut off all avenues. i think you've no appeals. no, you've got so no appeals. no, no, at all. no, i think that no, not at all. no, i think that our parliament, our elected parliament should rule supreme. uh, not international law and not courts. this not international courts. this has on for long. we has gone on for too long. we need have robust policy need to have a robust policy bill with chinks the bill with no chinks in the armour. i'm armour. so that's what i'm pushing that's what pushing for. and that's what colleagues are pushing for. >> so somebody who's seven

months pregnant and feeling months pregnant and not feeling very she very well, you don't think she would right appeal to would have a right to appeal to not to rwanda? not to be deported to rwanda? >> you have come our >> if you have come to our country broken country illegally and you broken into illegally . um, into our country illegally. um, i'm know, think i'm sorry. you know, i think you should deported. but we but should be deported. but we but we long, a proud we have a long, a proud tradition of allowing some people who are very much in need, who are fleeing death, persecution, women and children of being allowed to settle here and build a life here. >> so you're saying none at all? >> so you're saying none at all? >> well, i mean, i must say that sort of 85% of these people coming from france, which, by the way, is a very safe country, right, are single, single men do you they're economic right, are single, single men do you i|ey're economic right, are single, single men do you i mean economic right, are single, single men do you i mean ,:onomic right, are single, single men do you i mean , maynic right, are single, single men do you i mean , may have come migrants? i mean, may have come from be from france, so it must be because a refugee, you from france, so it must be becau for a refugee, you from france, so it must be becau for asylum a refugee, you from france, so it must be becau for asylum inrefugee, you from france, so it must be becau for asylum in the gee, you from france, so it must be becau for asylum in the first you apply for asylum in the first safe country. i certainly would, yeah. go through yeah. i mean, they go through multiple so by multiple safe countries. so by that they refugees. that they are not refugees. but ultimately, want us ultimately, you know, i want us to to have to continue to have a compassionate approach to the most genuine refugees, but most genuine of refugees, but that is only going to be possible if we the capacity possible if we have the capacity to these people coming to do so. these people coming illegally under illegally from france are under mining working mining that capacity and working directly against interests directly against the interests of of the most vulnerable

of some of the most vulnerable people in the world. >> get it tightened >> if you can't get it tightened up because can't the up because i can't see that the lawyers are going to allow a system of no appeal whatsoever . system of no appeal whatsoever. are you going to vote against the bill? >> look, i mean, ultimately, there's colleagues who there's a lot of colleagues who i've been working with. bill cash i'm cash is one of them. so i'm colleagues respect colleagues who who i respect enormously. frankly, enormously. and frankly, particularly for somebody like bill more legal bill cash, he's got more legal knowledge and expertise than i do. so, you know, i'll be do. um so, you know, i'll be listening to what he's got to say. be listening what say. i'll be listening to, what some have got some other colleagues have got to ultimately, to say. and ultimately, you know, that meeting know, we did have that meeting with minister on with the prime minister on tuesday. did make tuesday. he did make undertakings to us. uh, and i you know, think it's right you know, i think it's right that we give them that opportunity, but some big legal brains this bill. brains are backing this bill. >> thinking of geoffrey >> i'm thinking of geoffrey cox, the general, the former attorney general, lord no, no, no. lord sumption. no no, no, no. patsy at all. former supreme court judge. he says it'll be fine. and i, lord pannick, probably one of the most high, highly paid lawyers the highly paid lawyers in the country. if not europe. he country. yeah, if not europe. he says this is going work. says this is going to work. well, why don't you trust their judgement? >> well, we've had a range of different i mean, different legal opinion. i mean, we've star chamber , we've also had the star chamber,

which raised significant concerns the bill. concerns about the bill. >> they not in the same >> are they not in the same league as lawyers the star league as lawyers, the star chamber, are they? bill is league as lawyers, the star cigreater, are they? bill is league as lawyers, the star cigreat man, they? bill is league as lawyers, the star cigreat man, buty? bill is league as lawyers, the star cigreat man, but he'sll is league as lawyers, the star cigreat man, but he'sll a is a great man, but he's not a lawyer. i think what it's not just mark, i'm bill cash on the star chamber. just mark, i'm bill cash on the sta we'veiber. just mark, i'm bill cash on the sta we've also got people like >> we've also got people like martin, on martin, martin howell who's on kc. some kc. you know, you've got some top lawyers on that. um, um, assumptions. wasn't an assumptions. it wasn't an in—depth opinion gave. it was in—depth opinion he gave. it was it a very shortly after the it was a very shortly after the bill was published, he put out a few yeah. um, we've tried few lines. yeah. um, we've tried to get him here, so. so to get him on here, so. so on. yeah it wasn't thorough yeah it wasn't a thorough response happening. yeah it wasn't a thorough resjlook, happening. yeah it wasn't a thorough resjlook,there's happening. yeah it wasn't a thorough resjlook, there's a happening. yeah it wasn't a thorough resjlook, there's a rangezning. yeah it wasn't a thorough resjlook, there's a range of�*ig. so, look, there's a range of different views there. different legal views out there. and us who aren't and for those of us who aren't lawyers, it does make it slightly challenging. but, you know, into know, taking everything into account and under previous history of the way in which these things had gone and any being exploited, being ruthlessly exploited, i just it needs further toughening. >> why did abstain tum >> why did you abstain tum rather against it ? rather than vote against it? >> it's very unusual to have >> so it's very unusual to have massive rebellions at second reading. at second reading. generally at second reading, it's about broad reading, it's about a broad principles , right? and the broad principles, right? and the broad principles, right? and the broad principle stopping around the scheme. so i, scheme. yeah, i support so i, i therefore didn't feel like it would have been appropriate to

have voted against at same have voted against at the same time i think it's quite time, i don't think it's quite where to be. so when it where it needs to be. so when it comes back third reading, comes back to third reading, that's when we're going to be talking potential talking about potential amendments, and that's when we're talking about we're going to be talking about strengthening the bill. and i have we all have a have obviously, we all have a decision end of decision to make at the end of that and will you that process. and will you abstain then? >> sorry, yeah. abstain then? >> well, yeah. abstain then? >> well, mean, yeah. abstain then? >> well, mean, i’eah. abstain then? >> well, mean, i think it's >> well, i mean, i think it's um, will not be abstaining at um, i will not be abstaining at third um, vote for third reading. um, your vote for or against. >> yeah. or against. >> ye at third reading i would >> at at third reading i would that is, that is that is what i'll do. >> p— p you think of the >> what do you think of the truly shocking headline in the papers today many the papers today of how many of the people who've come across on boats been deported? one boats have been deported? one measly think the only >> yeah. and i think the only the sort of occasion where the only sort of occasion where it's different is with albania. but that's only 5, 5% in albania. >> it's pathetic. >> it's pathetic. >> look , i just i find all of >> look, i just i find all of this and that's why i've taken the position that i've taken on this, this, this, this bill, you know, that's why you know, that's why i've, you know, i've, i've myself a few i've, i've myself and a few other colleagues taken other colleagues have taken the position we've position we've taken. we've strongly that enough strongly feel that enough is enough feel as though enough and we feel as though immigration an issue and immigration is an issue and actually illegal. actually not just the illegal. illegal. there people who are

>> are there people who are processing the applications deliberately sabotaging it? >> i think that so >> well, i mean, i think that so it's interesting that the labour party the to party say that the response to this should be this thing should just be to process more quickly. process claims more quickly. well, that means well, if that if that means rubber people's claims rubber stamping people's claims for who shouldn't for people who shouldn't be here, the right here, then that is not the right approach. um , look, mean, here, then that is not the right athink:h. um , look, mean, here, then that is not the right athink every um , look, mean, here, then that is not the right athink every single look, mean, here, then that is not the right athink every single person mean, here, then that is not the right athink every single person who n, i think every single person who comes here illegally from france should no circumstances should under no circumstances stay . not a single none of stay. not a single one. none of them , you know, they have come them, you know, they have come illegally france, which illegally from france, which is a european they a safe european country. they have they've broken a safe european country. they havimmigrationthey've broken a safe european country. they havimmigrationthey' which (en our immigration law, which i think same as breaking our immigration law, which i thin other same as breaking our immigration law, which i thin other law,me as breaking our immigration law, which i thin other law, andis breaking our immigration law, which i thin other law, and theyiaking our immigration law, which i thin other law, and they should any other law, and they should be such , tobias, to be treated as such, tobias, to by your your colleague tobias ellwood on the this ellwood was on the show this morning made i thought morning and he made a i thought a convincing defence of the a very convincing defence of the fact numbers on the fact that the numbers on the boats effectively what he was saying are small that it's an saying are so small that it's an irrelevant distraction mission for the mass migration for from the mass migration effectively of a 1.2 million people who came here last year, and it means that you, as the conservative party, are overshadowing the successes that actually rishi sunak is having on reducing numbers via student

visas or families of people who want to come and work here. let's let's get this right. you know, the latest net migration figures are like, you know, 670 odd correct. last odd thousand, correct. last yeah odd thousand, correct. last year, that's not year, 700,000. that's not a that's one that's that's not where it ought to be. >> but tom, 1.2 million. yeah >> but tom, 1.2 million. yeah >> no, i'm not you know, this >> no, no i'm not you know, this is a this is deeply concerning. this is deeply alarming. so i don't see as don't i don't see that as a great success story. um, but but yeah. but see that matters yeah. but see if that matters hugely. paper on hugely. i published a paper on it. legal migration. i it. net legal migration. i published it. mean, published a paper on it. i mean, i obviously it matters, i obviously think it matters, but um, there is but but illegal. um, there is something particularly but but illegal. um, there is something aboutularly but but illegal. um, there is something about illegal pernicious about illegal migration and unfair about it as well. the sense that we do not have control of our borders, the fact that we don't have the ability to reject people who we don't want to allow in, uh, and there's fundamental questions here about international law, international courts for me are elected parliament should rule supreme. that's what people wanted in brexit. and that's what we ought to get. >> don't we want would you want to see the ability for people to

apply to see the ability for people to apply for asylum from apply for asylum here from a safe country online and make that application fair plea to our government? >> and we can then say yes or no based their personal based on their personal circumstances . they or circumstances. are they male or female? they have children? female? do they have children? are andrew are they pregnant? like andrew says, do they genuinely need hard wiring from a murderous regime? do you want to see that ? regime? do you want to see that? >> well, i mean, it's an interesting question about, you know, people who are already in a country who have a safe country who have therefore, you know, are there in safe country. um, they've in a safe country. um, they've refused claim asylum in that in a safe country. um, they've refuscountry.3im asylum in that in a safe country. um, they've refuscountry. you asylum in that in a safe country. um, they've refuscountry. you known in that in a safe country. um, they've refuscountry. you know , in that in a safe country. um, they've refuscountry. you know , there's safe country. you know, there's an interesting question about whether have right whether they should have a right to apply to between to to apply to choose between to pick, different pick, to shop between different safe think that's safe countries. i think that's an interesting question. but frankly, did that, frankly, even if you did that, you'd a cap in you'd have to put a cap in because the current looseness because of the current looseness of definition around refugee. of a definition around refugee. if every single person who thought around thought a refugee around the world apply directly to world could apply directly to the and there wasn't a cap, the uk and there wasn't a cap, you would be looking at, that's when i think we could be safe. >> just very briefly . so when i think we could be safe. >> just very briefly. so i'll ask you about gary lineker if we had rights lawyer on, had a human rights lawyer on, they'd say no, they're not

breaking law they cross breaking the law when they cross the here. that the channel to come here. that because asylum because of all the asylum conventions signed up conventions that were signed up to, women change the law. to, well, women change the law. >> mean, ultimately, >> i mean, ultimately, no, but you breaking >> i mean, ultimately, no, but you law. breaking the law. >> they are they are or they're not. >> um, well, they are breaking the law. are breaking the the law. they are breaking the law. every person law. every single person who illegally enters our country from is breaking the law. from france is breaking the law. um, look, but um, but look, but but ultimately, um, you talk ultimately, um, when you talk about refugee about the asylum refugee convention, very convention, i think it's very outdated. i think it needs to be dramatically changed. the european of human, human european court of human, human human is overreached human rights is overreached itself time and time again . all itself time and time again. all of these we cannot allow these these conventions and rules to stymie our elected parliament. people have had enough, and we've got to get it. we've got to get action. >> should the bbc sack gary lineker, you saw what the incoming chairman, shah, incoming chairman, samir shah, said. social said. he's breached the social guidelines with his attack guidelines rules with his attack on one colleagues. on one of your colleagues. >> should have. he >> i mean, he should have. he should time should have gone a long time ago, ? but don't believe ago, right? but i don't believe him. fee either. him. the bbc licence fee either. i i mean, the shame is i i mean, i mean, the shame is i actually gary lineker is actually think gary lineker is quite actually think gary lineker is quhe he actually think gary lineker is quite he sticks to his quite good when he sticks to his actual mean, i love actual job. i mean, i love football, quite

football, he's actually quite good at match of the day. it's just that he can't just such a shame that he can't just such a shame that he can't just to his job, he just stick to his job, so he should i mean, i think should be fired. i mean, i think he been long he should have been fired a long time so yes. time ago. so yes. >> all right. interesting. >> all right. very interesting. >> all right. very interesting. >> right. thanks, tom. >> all right. thanks, tom. tom. >> all right. thanks, tom. tom. >> mp ipswich, who >> tom hunt, mp for ipswich, who apparently going to be promoted to league. there's to the premier league. there's some i never some football knowledge i never thought share thought i'd be able to share with still to come this >> right. still to come this morning. warning. there morning. just a warning. there are violent pictures are some violent pictures we're about and is football. >> turkish leagues have >> turkish football leagues have been indefinitely been suspended indefinitely after the football, after a football attacked a football president attacked a referee who gave him a right a right hook there. >> we're going to be speaking to a referee a little closer a former referee a little closer to home about the dangers of risks wearing black and white risks of wearing black and white stripes a saturday afternoon stripes on a saturday afternoon in this country. don't go anywhere .

monday to thursdays from 6:00 till 930. >> 1125 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner okay, just a warning. >> there are a few violent images coming up here. you might have seen this story. it's the president of a turkish president of a top turkish football resigned football club. uh, he's resigned after punching a referee at the end of a match. the president runs the he runs onto the pitch. he literally rights hooks the referee , gives him a heck of a referee, gives him a heck of a black eye. uh, faruk koca, he's been arrested now. he said he was embarrassed and saddened by the incident , was embarrassed and saddened by the incident, and someone kicked him while he was down on the ground. >> and the referee who was assaulted is now quit refereeing in football. we're joined now by

the premier the former premier league referee mark halsey to get his take on the risk refs face on the pitch every day. mark morning you. um, that was morning to you. um, that was that was savage and unprovoked and brutality and i mean apart from that, he should be banned from that, he should be banned from football. that bloke should be locked up, in my view. >> yeah. morning, guys . yeah. >> yeah. morning, guys. yeah. absolutely. agree. i mean, it's utter appalling just to see that in any . uh, league in especially in any. uh, league in especially in any. uh, league in any, any foot, whether it's grassroots or it's professional game . and, um, it's so sad that game. and, um, it's so sad that the referee has, has, has resigned because , you know, he resigned because, you know, he needs he needs to help and support and, and even in turkish football, good football, they need good referees at any level. and so i'm hoping that someone is supporting him. we're hoping supporting him. and we're hoping we get him back on on the field of play because i've seen i've seen in champions seen him referee in champions league europa league league and europa league games and referee. and he's a very good referee. and an absolutely and as i say, it's an absolutely appalling. he should appalling. and he should the club feel the full weight club should feel the full weight of the turkish federation and the concerned . and i the president concerned. and i know he's resigned but he

should. should face a jail should. he should face a jail tum opinion . tum in my opinion. >> look, you know, >> i mean, look, you know, emotions in football. emotions run high in football. let's say there's an understatement. people get very passionate about the results. it's that this it's almost a surprise that this doesn't more often in a doesn't happen more often in a way. are we seeing this kind way. but are we seeing this kind of thing? mark happen on more of thing? mark happen on a more regular basis football, regular basis now in football, across all levels ? across the world at all levels? and why do you think that is? >> i think society today. >> i think it's society today. um, got to look at, um, you've just got to look at, you social media, all the you know, social media, all the stars and on social media, the abuse they get. and it's just seems to become part of the norm because we're not we're not tough enough. you know, our policing, um, our social media sites have got to get a lot tougher these people that tougher with these people that that dish out all these, that dish out all this, these, these um, these keyboard warriors and, um, it it's, it's grassroots football . i'm concerned about football. i'm concerned about you don't you don't tend to see it in professional football. um, because obviously the security is so great and they have and we have lots of respect for our officials, but it's grassroots and the young referees that that i worry about that are not getting that protection. um, so

what can i interrupt you now are you saying that grassroots football, which is really important, that's the, um, important, that's where the, um, the david beckham's and the like are going to be discovered. >> are you saying that the referees games are referees in those games are being hard time? what? being given a hard time? what? by being given a hard time? what? by spectators or by the by by the spectators or by the players ? players? >> the spectators and parents? you know, we see we often see under 14, under 15 referees refereeing these games and they're receiving abuse weekly from the parents and the coaches . we see it all the time and the county fa have got to step up their protection of these young referees. we've got to employ or the clubs have to employ the clubs have got to employ more mentors to look after these referees. arrive referees. as soon as they arrive at at the ground where at the at the ground where they're refereeing. and as i said, fa's have got said, the county fa's have got to up and sort these, to step up and sort these, these, these clubs and these spectators and the parents out. what a shame, mark, because ultimately those sorts of sports leagues rely on volunteers . leagues rely on volunteers. >> and how much would a ref get paid to do a, you know, a minor league football on a weekend? what are they going out, running

around in the cold? what are they getting paid for that i think they're looking at £25, £30 for, for. >> yeah . it's not a lot. >> yeah. it's not a lot. >>— >> yeah. it's not a lot. >> they're not doing it for the money. are they. >> no they're not. this is the future game. game future of our game. the game needs referees and these young referees that starting out needs referees and these young ref14ees that starting out needs referees and these young rei14 and hat starting out needs referees and these young rei14 and 15. starting out needs referees and these young rei14 and 15. they're'ting out needs referees and these young rei14 and 15. they're tingfuture at 14 and 15. they're our future to go and be the next howard to go on and be the next howard webb michael because webb michael oliver, because there's michael there's no doubt about michael oliver by far our best oliver is by far our best referee in in english football. and these these guys look up to these. and i think it's down to these. and i think it's down to the professional the the professional players the managers the right managers to set the right example them on tv example when we see them on tv at the weekend. and at the moment think they are moment i don't think they are setting right example. moment i don't think they are settmark, right example. moment i don't think they are settmark, right exewere . moment i don't think they are settmark, right exewere in your >> mark, when you were in your pomp of pomp refereeing some of our famous who the famous footballers, who was the most you either red most famous one, you either red carded or gave a yellow card to? oh i mean, i was renowned not to give too many yellows and reds out, but i think one was, um, was terry and, uh, at was john terry and, uh, at manchester and we manchester city v chelsea and we after game wasn't happy after the game he wasn't happy and we had a good 15, 20 minute chatin and we had a good 15, 20 minute chat in dressing room after chat in my dressing room after the regarding his sending off. >> obviously i can't divulge

what was said because i couldn't say that on air, but what went on in our dressing room stayed in dressing so yeah, in our dressing room. so yeah, listen, i think he won the appeal anyway, i have appeal anyway, so i must have been wrong and correct. >> they swore at you, been wrong and correct. >> when they swore at you, been wrong and correct. >> when thewhen re at you, been wrong and correct. >> when thewhen re at swore mark, when they when they swore at all know at you. because we all know there a bit of swearing there is a bit of swearing goes on the pitch. did you turn a blind to that? blind ear to that? >> i gave him some back. oh >> no, i gave him some back. oh >> no, i gave him some back. oh >> brilliant. >> brilliant. >> it's any walk of life. it's shop floor language in it. it's on. you're working on the shop floor and as long as it's not directed you're, you directed at you, you're, you know, to referee today know, going out to referee today is managing event, is about managing event, managing and getting is about managing event, manearning and getting is about managing event, manearning that and getting is about managing event, manearning that respect.! getting is about managing event, manearning that respect. just ting and earning that respect. just walking on the of play walking on the field of play don't mean to say you get the respect from the players. you've got to earn respect with got to earn that respect with your accuracy and your decision making way you approach making and the way you approach the players, that makes a massive in massive difference to referee in a match. a football match. >> me ask you about >> um, let me just ask you about women's football because we are obviously we do very, very well in our in this country. now, our women's team is one of the best in the world. do we get this same of aggression with the same sort of aggression with the refs in refs and with the crowd in women's football? i think you

do. >> i mean, listen, it's fantastic to see women's football the way it's progressing over the i progressing over the years. i think brilliant. yeah , think it's brilliant. and yeah, of mean, once they of course, i mean, once they become it's become professionals, like it's like once they become like rugby, once they become professional, different professional, there's different attitudes referees. attitudes towards the referees. and that's to be and i think that's going to be the women's the same with with women's football, they want to the same with with women's footlthey they want to the same with with women's footlthey want they want to the same with with women's footlthey want they've want to the same with with women's footlthey want they've gott to the same with with women's footlthey want they've got that win, they want they've got that desire go out and win desire to win and go out and win things. so you're right before it's all emotions and it's all about emotions and frustrations. as as a frustrations. and as as a referee, got to referee, you've got to understand that that frustrations about frustrations and emotions about with with players. and that's why about not about why it's about not about refereeing laws of the game. refereeing the laws of the game. it's about understanding the game. and knowing game. yeah. and knowing knowing the i think the game. so yeah i think i think it's fabulous. the way whatsapp the women have done. >> ee- ? thank you mark. >> all right. thank you mark. mark there. former >> all right. thank you mark. mark leaguezre. former >> all right. thank you mark. mark league referee ner >> all right. thank you mark. mark league referee .er >> all right. thank you mark. mark league referee . gee what premier league referee. gee what a nice bloke. we did quite well on an interview about football. >> we lost. >> we lost. >> no anything. >> no anything. >> was it you know i had heard of john terry. >> no had he was england >> no i had he was england captain wasn't he. >> terry even i know that. >> john terry even i know that. yeah. right. still come yeah. right. still to come this morning. for morning. we're late for the news. and make news. sainsbury's and tesco make £300 him. you're £300 million for him. you're personal those very

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that i knew had dewbs& co week nights from six. >> 1138 you're with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew booths and bev turner. the noise you could hear off was karen maloney, course, who came maloney, of course, who came back talking through all the back in talking through all the breaks, as usual, talking not me. suggests breaks, as usual, talking not me. working suggests breaks, as usual, talking not me. working homeiuggests breaks, as usual, talking not me. working home durings that working from home during the may have stopped the pandemic may have stopped people smoking. that's right. another, more news >> another, more good news about the the the lockdowns, though, is the number in from number of brits logging in from home has skyrocketed. working number of brits logging in from homehomeikyrocketed. working number of brits logging in from homehome theicketed. working number of brits logging in from homehome the future. working number of brits logging in from homehome the future. britain; from home the future for britain 7 from home the future for britain ? joining discuss ? well, joining us to discuss this former tory mp neil this is former tory mp neil pansh this is former tory mp neil parish and author and journalist rebecca reid . hello both. now we rebecca reid. hello both. now we think there at some point we might stop talking about the working from home culture, but this going to part of our

this is going to be part of our working now, isn't it? working landscape now, isn't it? rebecca reid i imagine you, rebecca reid and i imagine you, for applaud this. for one, would applaud this. >> . i think it's here to >> yeah. i think it's here to stay. and i think it's here to stay. and i think it's here to stay because people like it. and also the majority of the research almost actually universally people universally says that people don't hard from home. >> they're not less productive. so people might put wash so yes, people might put a wash on maybe take a on at lunchtime or maybe take a shower in middle the shower in the middle of the afternoon between meetings, but they're work they're still getting their work done. it with they're still getting their work d> you're you're >> i mean, you're you're a novelist, so it suits novelist, rebecca. so it suits you, i to from home. you, i guess, to work from home. you're of young you're also the mum of a young child. that will also suit you. do think it's also good if do you think it's also good if you're a, you know, a young person in their 20s? you've not yet met the person you might have a child with and actually spending all day at your kitchen table is probably not very good for your mind. >> i'm, i'm 31 and i've >> i mean, i'm, i'm 31 and i've beenin >> i mean, i'm, i'm 31 and i've been in a journalist and writer since i was 22, so i've worked from for much my from home for pretty much my whole and it did not whole career, and it did not stop out snogging

stop me from going out snogging boys really supposed boys. you're not really supposed to work to find people to to be at work to find people to get or with, and get with or flirt with, and you're not really supposed be get with or flirt with, and yo workiot really supposed be get with or flirt with, and yo work to really supposed be get with or flirt with, and yo work to belly supposed be get with or flirt with, and yo work to be having)osed be get with or flirt with, and yo work to be having ased be get with or flirt with, and yo work to be having a long be get with or flirt with, and yo work to be having a long chat at work to be having a long chat about kardashians. it's about the kardashians. so it's not necessarily a problem. i think hybrid working is generally be the generally regarded to be the best outcome for best possible outcome for everybody . people like to be everybody. people like to be able to go in a of able to go in for a couple of days have that days when you have all that really to face really face to face brainstorming, communication, time. also time. but people also really like to have some like to be able to have some music the background music on in the background or have complete silence. the only time it's not a good thing is when to when people are trying to do childcare the same when people are trying to do childcthat the same when people are trying to do childcthat doesn't the same when people are trying to do childcthat doesn't work; same when people are trying to do childcthat doesn't work. you ne when people are trying to do childcthat doesn't work. you do time. that doesn't work. you do have still . have to still. >> okay, let's bring the former tory mp neil parish in. neil, we all had to lock down during the first lockdown, the whys and wherefores, whether we should is an argument for another time. but be very difficult but it would be very difficult as work home full as an mp to work from home full time . time. >> yes. i mean, i think it depends on your character really, because i mean, actually being an mp , being i'm a social being an mp, being i'm a social animal and so therefore i like to socialise asian, of course, you know, the house of commons is a gossip shop. let's pay, you

know, face it. and so know, let's face it. and so you're really pick up you're there to really pick up on the information that's going around. you wouldn't pick around. and you wouldn't pick that know , remotely. so that up. you know, remotely. so i it's flexibility is the i think it's flexibility is the answer . i i think it's flexibility is the answer. i do actually worry a bit with some people working from home for too long, because i think socialisation is a good thing. and i also think , you thing. and i also think, you know, both for the employee and the , you're sometimes the employer, you're sometimes i know can each other, know you can email each other, you know , thing ideas that you know, thing ideas that you've but i think there's you've got, but i think there's nothing better than sitting down over a coffee and having a chinwag. all right. some of it might be social stuff, some of it might be a bit of flirting. who knows? but in the end, i think it's right. just think it's right. and i just feel we are social feel that that we are social animals and we, we need that interaction. so i think the hybnd interaction. so i think the hybrid i would agree you know, the hybrid would be it works. but i think some people definitely work too long from home and don't socialise enough. so i think we've got to be careful, both from an employee point of view and from an

employer point of view. >> and actually i know rebecca. >> and actually i know rebecca. >> rebecca also from, from, from a health point of view because this story is about the fact that people have that people who might have ordinarily quit smoking, which in lockdown were puffing in lockdown they were puffing away , having fabulous in away, having a fabulous time in the i don't know the back garden. i don't know about you, but drank myself the back garden. i don't know about stupor.t drank myself the back garden. i don't know about stupor.t thatk myself the back garden. i don't know about stupor.t that first self into a stupor. in that first lockdown. my had never lockdown. my liver had never known such abuse during the that sunny it's not sunny few first weeks. it's not good for our health, is it? to be home? i think for be sat at home? i think for a lot of people it's better for your health because it enables you. >> you don't have that commute either of day and you either side of the day and you have your lunch break. so a lot of will take of people will walk, will take a dog walk. we'll go and dog for a walk. we'll go and pick their children on foot. pick up their children on foot. it back of that it gives you back some of that time. definitely during the time. i definitely during the breaks found that breaks in lockdown, found that i would the gym way more would go to the gym way more because wanted an outlet to go because i wanted an outlet to go and physical. um and do something physical. um i think thing is a think the smoking thing is a little think a little bit. i think it's a little bit. i think it's a little bit. i think it's a little bit a shot in the little bit of a shot in the dark. i was a during all dark. i was a smoker during all of pandemics , and i smoked of the pandemics, and i smoked more ever my entire more than i ever had my entire life because bored, life because i was bored, because treat, and because it was a treat, and because it was a treat, and because someone told me that smokers likely to get

covid. >> so i got. >> so i got. >> there it was a bit of data about that. she's absolutely right. there was a bit of data, but i think it was it was a bit complicated reasoning for that. uh, neil, word to you uh, neil, neil, last word to you then ? um, you think this is then? um, you think this is something going something we're just going to have out and employers something we're just going to havgoing out and employers something we're just going to havgoing to out and employers something we're just going to havgoing to haveand employers something we're just going to havgoing to have to! employers something we're just going to hav going to have to workyloyers something we're just going to hav going to have to work with's are going to have to work with it, not let the lazy take it, but not let the lazy take the mickey. >> not. and like >> definitely not. and like i said, also make sure we said, let's also make sure we mix enough and get together because there is too because otherwise there is too much drinking. if you're not careful home. um, careful when you're at home. um, and smoking, dare i say it? and karen, i don't think smoking does do of good. uh, does do a lot of good. uh, seeing off covid, uh, quite the reverse . so i think you're a reverse. so i think you're a little bit of misinformation there, but but this happens. uh, but no, seriously, i think, you know, let's have a good mix and let's and get people out of let's try and get people out of mixing they mixing together when they can. uh, i think we uh, because otherwise i think we will sort two insular will become sort of two insular and some people will, you know, become recluse if you're not careful . reclusive. and i know careful. reclusive. and i know i may be exaggerating , but i careful. reclusive. and i know i may be exaggerating, but i think it have, you know , a social it does have, you know, a social effect on your well—being. and

so let's let's look at it all really. okay. >> all right. thank you both so much, rebecca. read novelist and former . uh, neil parish former mp. uh, neil parish there. >> caramel owner sam lister are back with us. sam, i couldn't bear that first lockdown work. we brought the daily mail out from home. us. one person from home. all of us. one person was the building, to was in the building, had to press buttons to press the buttons literally to let go. did you struggle? >> yeah. the same for us. >> yeah. it was the same for us. and as we had the and as soon as we had the ability to go back and work in the office, uh, me and the rest of i couldn't wait of the team, i couldn't wait to get back. back in? >> well, all deemed. >> well, you were all deemed. what essential? >> well, you were all deemed. wh essential essential? >> essential work? >> essential work? >> yeah. i was absolutely >> yeah. which i was absolutely relieved about because the thought working from home the thought of working from home the whole time would have just been. yeah. to depressing. yeah. i couldn't we couldn't bear it. and we certainly got certainly only really got through we were through that because we were actually office and we actually in the office and we had that permission. >> full >> and as everybody back full time office. time now in the office. >> god. yeah, yeah, yeah >> oh, god. yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. i mean, this is, you know, some jobs you can do from home, but certainly can't do home, but you certainly can't do the i do from sitting the job i do from sitting from home. to home. you need to talk to people. about communicating people. it's about communicating often. and you cannot just do

that. sat messaging people on your >> yeah. >> em.- e from home a bit? >> i do, yeah, yeah, but but you know, rebecca just said there there's support the there's no data to support the fact that working from home is detrimental results. detrimental or results. >> is. there two >> yes there is. there were two councils months. councils in the last few months. um, to investigate um, put it out to investigate and the results came back and the councils fiddled with the results that it worked results to say that it worked because them say because it suited them to say it worked . yeah. you look at the worked. yeah. you look at the look at our civil service now. oh, yeah. don't tell me that hasn't suffered. you know, you try license try to get a driving license now truckers to get license. truckers try to get a license. they can't the pandemic they can't since the pandemic because actually in because no one is actually in the jacob the building. you know, jacob rees—mogg, it rees—mogg, you know, works on it . he had had a big rail . he had a he had a big rail against civil service against the civil service because were empty. because the offices were empty. and services are and he said the services are suffering. that every day suffering. we see that every day . this but i think people . so this but i think people like from home. i don't like working from home. i don't believe for a second that you get more work done at home because everyone needs a boss. i certainly need a boss. yeah, i need someone to say to me, get that done right yeah, that done right now. yeah, yeah, don't . and you need don't mess about. and you need telling and you need to. you need you need the need creativity. you need the creativity with other creativity of being with other people. know,

people. yeah. you know, especially in our job, you know, you're sitting in a with you're sitting in a room with people discussing people and you're discussing stories. you need input from other people . and yes, you can other people. and yes, you can do it on zoom, but it's not the same. >> no, no, no, i think i think honestly, i think it makes a massive difference as well. if you've or you've got young children or even and you want even just children and you want to be able to get a little bit of balance and you want just 1 or week where you don't or 2 days a week where you don't have the commute, you can have to do the commute, you can actually lot in those actually pack a lot in those days. get lot of work days. you can get a lot of work done home when you're not done from home when you're not managing on a tube managing kids, you're on a tube or school. or they're at school. >> you can work on tube or >> you can work on the tube or on train. normally on the train. normally too. >> yeah, the tube. >> yeah, the tube. >> much the train. >> not so much the train. >> not so much the train. >> sympathy with with the >> some sympathy with with the point you make, bev, because actually particularly point you make, bev, because act women, particularly point you make, bev, because act women, know, ilarly point you make, bev, because act women, know, ilayou do for women, you know, if you do have responsibilities, for women, you know, if you do have it,responsibilities, for women, you know, if you do have it, they nsibilities, for women, you know, if you do have it, they do jilities, for women, you know, if you do have it, they do generally let's face it, they do generally fall so it's fall on women. so whether it's looking after children looking after small children or elderly parents, 100% um, you know, you spend know, the hours you spend commuting seem wasted commuting seem like wasted hours. commuting seem like wasted howcan do from home combine you can do from home and combine with know , i think we with those, you know, i think we ought be that . but i ought to be open to that. but i think default, um, setting think the default, um, setting of let's just let everybody work from work . from home, that doesn't work.

>> have to think about >> and we have to think about the on humanity. mean, it the cost on humanity. i mean, it sounds like a grand claim , but sounds like a grand claim, but actually what we were saying then about where do you the then about where do you meet the person you might eventually have your families with don't your families with if you don't get know, your families with if you don't getthis know, your families with if you don't getthis from know, your families with if you don't getthis from home now, on this working from home ministers saying, get back ministers keep saying, get back to why don't they make the civil >> why don't they make the civil servants who servants get back to it? who report ministers completely. report to ministers completely. >> but i sorry for if i was >> but i feel sorry for if i was an employer workforce was an employer and my workforce was refusing and i'm refusing to come in and i'm still paying the same money still paying them the same money as i was paying them and as i was paying them before. and as i was paying them before. and a those wages include a lot of those wages include allowances for travelling. i would want the would go nuts. i would want the workforce paying in the workforce i was paying in the office me. bev's office with me. yes, bev's right. can probably do right. you can probably do a couple a week, but couple of days a week, but i think generally be in think generally you should be in the and i think what the office. and i think what the pandemic it's fed pandemic has done, it's fed people this that they people this belief that they have a divine right to work from home. they you know, have a divine right to work from hcane. they you know, have a divine right to work from hcan employery you know, have a divine right to work from hcan employer says, you know, have a divine right to work from hcan employer says, i'm)u know, have a divine right to work from hcan employer says, i'm payingi, if an employer says, i'm paying you come in, come in and it you to come in, come in and it also right also should go to divine right for to pay for for the state to pay for everything completely. >> we created dependency >> we created a dependency culture didn't exist before. >> the pandemic has changed the culture in culture of this country in terms, the work ethic terms, you know, the work ethic of think it's of this country. i think it's changed the

changed entirely since the pandemic. think that's a shame. >> should talk about >> um, should we talk about david of the show? david davis, friend of the show? friend us. all friend of all of us. we're all a big his. um, he has done big fan of his. um, he has done a remarkable thing, sam. what happened? >> heroic. i mean, let'sjust >> heroic. i mean, let's just start by saying that david davis, although he's a certain vintage he a man who vintage now, he was a man who trained sas reservist , so trained as an sas reservist, so he is not. i didn't know that . he is not. i didn't know that. not a who shies away from not a man who shies away from a tncky not a man who shies away from a tricky situation , let's say. but tricky situation, let's say. but he was walking out of parliament the other night, um, witnessed a homeless man being attacked by two other men. terrible um, he says they were taking seven bells out of him. you know, they were really, really going for this man who was not defending himself in way. um, and so himself in any way. um, and so he and gisele harry, who used to be boris johnson's communications director, intervened. um, and so david davis waded in there, stopped this attack, took the homeless man home, put him on his, uh, his spare room overnight. good on him. and looked after him and, uh, think he was still and, uh, i think he was still bleeding the morning. that's bleeding in the morning. that's how he went how bad this attack was. he went to um he is recovering

to hospital. um he is recovering now, but what an amazing thing to do. >> yeah, davis actually, davis took to hospital next took him to hospital the next day, and what day, which is amazing. and what i was he said i haven't realised was he said when was younger, he had seen i haven't realised was he said wman was younger, he had seen i haven't realised was he said wman being younger, he had seen i haven't realised was he said wman being kickeder, he had seen i haven't realised was he said wman being kicked to he had seen i haven't realised was he said wman being kicked to death. seen i haven't realised was he said wman being kicked to death. andi a man being kicked to death. and so he intervenes all the time. and says that past and he says that in the past he's teeth. he's he's been he's lost teeth. he's he's been punched, his nose. punched, he's got his nose. >> that nose been broken >> that nose has been broken five times. yeah >> him. >> by by him. >> by by him. >> it is boxer's nose. >> it is a boxer's nose. >>— >> it is a boxer's nose. >> i've had him in an entirely different light. yeah. i'm looking of looking at and sort of a fancying light. i'm thinking, oh, big strong. >> yeah yeah yeah . >> yeah yeah yeah yeah. >> yeah yeah yeah yeah. >> made him little bit more >> made him a little bit more attractive august attractive and, and in in august , every august goes munro walking. >> so these are like mini mountains mini scottish mountains like mini scottish mountains. yeah. do a do one mountains. yeah. and do a do one a day. and it would somebody of our age we'd probably get through one. >> he'll do 40 even more attractive. and the second. >> carol, can i just remind you chasing up those munros . chasing him up those munros. >> i just had to remind caroline she is married. >> i am a gorgeous man and so is david davis. >> younger. david davis. >> and younger. david davis. >> and we'veiger. david davis. >> and we've been talking about this really want this all morning. i really want us it. this the us to discuss it. this is the superman data. loyalty

superman market data. loyalty scheme. sam. customers know scheme. sam. do customers know what signing what they're signing up to? do you think with massive you think with these massive bargains care? bargains they don't care? >> think you should >> but i think you should always. in life, always. you know, in life, there's such thing free there's no such thing as a free lunch, and the fact lunch, is there? and the fact that you are signing up for these loyalty you surely these loyalty cards, you surely when must know when you sign that you must know that is that you are there is a condition attached that. condition attached to that. and i've resist signing up i've tried to resist signing up to some these, but actually to some of these, but actually they it absolutely impossible. >> that's bothers >> that's what bothers me. >> that's what bothers me. >> £6 off bottle of gin. >> £6 off a bottle of gin. apparently more than re st. rest. >> i a shop on, uh, last >> i did a shop on, uh, last saturday, 120 quid's worth of booze and i it for £50 less booze and i got it for £50 less because of the size of the card. and because they had a little offer on and what she won't tell? >> she's already drunk it. >> she's already drunk it. >> we know that. no and on that note, i will be back tomorrow evening doing jobs, and i'll be back then on new year's day morning. have a wonderful christmas from me. if you don't see me before then. >> but you're stuck with me next week, i look forward to it. week, so i look forward to it. see you then. >> here's emily tom. >> here's emily and tom. >> here's emily and tom. >> well, coming to us a >> well, we're coming to us a little early today because little bit early today because there's some big news breaking

at 12. but also we're talking about of how few about the scandal of how few people have been deported after small boat journeys. we'll be to talking the home talking two members of the home affairs committee on that. >> yes, we will will your >> yes, we will and will your mortgage or down? mortgage go up or down? >> find that out midday >> we'll find that out at midday from the bank of england. so stay us. good afternoon stay with us. good afternoon britain. first let's get the weather. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers . as sponsors of up. boxt boilers. as sponsors of weather on gbillionews . hi there i >> -- >> it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. another dull and damp afternoon for the south—east of england. brighter skies elsewhere, but with blustery showers towards the northwest . showers towards the northwest. we've got a weak weather front moving through that's bringing a lot of low cloud and some outbreaks of mostly light rain and drizzle, that will and drizzle, and that will settle upon east anglia and the south—east the afternoon. so south—east for the afternoon. so largely cloudy. some outbreaks of rain here elsewhere brightening skies after a grey start, some sunny spells coming

through but it for the north and west of scotland and for parts of northern ireland. it will be windy with showers moving in now where we've got the sunny spells in the west. temperatures reaching the double figures but it will feel on the chilly side towards the south—east where we keep the low cloud and that lingers time into the lingers for a time into the evening. on it does clear evening. later on it does clear and there will be some mist and fog forming across southern and eastern parts of south eastern parts of england, south wales a touch in places wales a touch of frost in places here as well, with lighter winds, but with more of a wind further north and thicker cloud moving in. i it will moving in. i think it will largely be and fog free to largely be frost and fog free to begin things on friday. a bright start for many, but increasingly cloudy across northern ireland, much of scotland and some high cloud moving in across england and wales as well. so not entirely sunny. the best of the bright weather this time will be in the southeast . increasingly in the southeast. increasingly wet and windy towards the north—west that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers

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gb news good. almost afternoon britain. >> yes, it's nearly 12:00 on thursday the 12th of december. >> we're a little early today on the 14th of december. sorry, we're a little early because we're a little early because we're expecting big interest rate news at 12.

>> also a home office failure, less than 1% of those arriving on small boats since 2020 have been deported . been deported. >> and that's according to new government figures . all the government figures. all the while, many of the rest language inexpensive accommodation. the cost of the bibby stockholm barge has been revealed for the first at an astonishing first time at an astonishing £41,000 a day. the search continues. >> it's been nearly a week since 55 year old mum gaynor lord vanished after leaving work in norwich . norwich. >> fresh cctv footage . has been >> fresh cctv footage. has been released showing a frantic gaynor rushing through the city centre and dodging traffic. we're on the scene as she as the search operation enters its sixth day. >> not another one. rishi sunak is braced for yet another by—election as the parliamentary standards committee recommends an extraordinary 35 day suspension for former tory mp scott benton. if approved by the house, that's grounds for a recall petition.

>> and it's just 1.5 minutes until we hear from the bank of england over their latest interest rate. interest rate decision. this is , of course, decision. this is, of course, big, big news for many people with mortgages . for many people with mortgages. for many people looking to get mortgages , might looking to get mortgages, might payments as a result of today's decision go up or down? >> yes. we're expected fighting for that rate to remain as it is for that rate to remain as it is for the time being. but of course we never know what might happen. you never know with these things. but the bank of england is expected to hold it. we're to be talking to we're going to be talking to liam halligan, economics liam halligan, our economics and business editor editor, about this, from the bank this, who joins us from the bank of england . is he there? yes, he of england. is he there? yes, he is. liam, what are we expecting . is. liam, what are we expecting. >> you know, emily, i'd love to be able to give you and gp new viewers and listeners and maybe to tom some good news that

there's going to be a pre—christmas interest rate cut. ihave pre—christmas interest rate cut. i have to say, though , the i have to say, though, the balance of probabilities is that there won't be interest rates have gone up very, very steeply in recent years in the uk, of course , from 0.1% all the way up course, from 0.1% all the way up to 5.25% where they are now. they've been there since august and in just a minute's time we're going to hear what the monetary policy committee that sits in the building behind me, the bank of england, nine economists who set interest rates, what they've decided , i rates, what they've decided, i think it's pretty nailed on. they're going to keep interest rates at 5.25. inflation is coming down. it's come down all the way from 11.1% this time . the way from 11.1% this time. last or at least last autumn . last or at least last autumn. and now it's 4.6. but it's still pretty high. and so i think they're going to keep interest rates where they are. but very interestingly very interesting mortgage rates. the commercial interest rates where we get mortgages, where we get business loans, personal loans, they are coming down quite steeply now

because financial markets reckon that inflation is going to start really tumbling. it's been held well. there you go santa didn't quite come a lot of people wanted an interest rate cut because a lot of families are suffering from much, much higher mortgage payments than they previously had because 3 or 2 year fixes, five year fixes have expired . you can see their expired. you can see their interest rates have gone up all the way from those emergency levels back in 2020 2021. the levels back in 2020 2021. in the aftermath during aftermath of lockdown, during the of course, the covid pandemic, of course, they the staircase to they were low. the staircase to they were low. the staircase to the right, interest rate the right, the 14 interest rate rises 5.25. the question now, rises to 5.25. the question now, tom and emily is when will interest rates fall? i reckon we're going to see an interest rate cut if inflation continues to fall by march , maybe april, to fall by march, maybe april, from five and a 4:45. but for now , no surprises, no surprise. now, no surprises, no surprise. also that it's raining here at the bank of england. this is england. no surprise that the bank of england has held