financial markets reckon because financial markets reckon that inflation is going to start really tumbling. it's been held well. there you go santa didn't quite come a lot of people wanted an interest rate cut because a lot of families are suffering from much, much higher mortgage payments than they previously had because 3 or 2 year fixes, five year fixes have expired . you can see their expired. you can see their interest rates have gone up all the way from those emergency levels back in 2020 2021. the levels back in 2020 2021. in the aftermath during aftermath of lockdown, during the of course, the covid pandemic, of course, they the staircase to they were low. the staircase to they were low. the staircase to the right, interest rate the right, the 14 interest rate rises 5.25. the question now, rises to 5.25. the question now, tom and emily is when will interest rates fall.7 i reckon we're going to see an interest rate cut if inflation continues to fall by march , maybe april, to fall by march, maybe april, from five and a 4:45. but for now , no surprises, no surprise. now, no surprises, no surprise. also that it's raining here at the bank of england. this is england. no surprise that the bank of england has held

interest rates , as we all interest rates, as we all expected, liam expected, at 5.25. liam >> of course, yesterday we heard some pretty gloomy news about the state of growth in the economy. >> many people blaming those interest rate rises as well for doing their job really for depressing consumer demand . and depressing consumer demand. and does that is that going to feed into future decisions from the bank of england? >> perhaps now's the time to take that sort of squash off consumer demand . consumer demand. >> well, you're right, we did see the economy contract . see the economy contract. according to figures out yesterday , contracted by 0.3. yesterday, contracted by 0.3. the uk still being growing recently it's been doing pretty, you know, better than a lot of the countries in the european union. not as fast as the us . union. not as fast as the us. the economy has been quite resilient . but look, tom, when resilient. but look, tom, when you raise interest rates 14 times in a row , which is what times in a row, which is what we've done, that does squeeze borrowing, that does squeeze lending, that does mean businesses invest less. it does

mean consumers buy less because of their mortgage payments and their other debts that they have to service, and that slows down growth. and those interest rate rises. they often work with a lag, and they've been squeezing economic activity and that was reflected in the figures , the reflected in the figures, the gdp figures we saw yesterday , gdp figures we saw yesterday, which showed the overall size of the uk economy contracting. but you're right, this is what interest rate rises are for. they squeeze out activity so they squeeze out price rises and inflation. and we've seen that we've seen inflation come down from over 11% to just over 4. now still too high. the bank of england's target set for it by the government is 2% inflation. but the bank of england now you know, as the months go by they're not really meant to worry about growth. they're not really meant to worry about interest rates crushed economic activity. they're meant to be focussed on inflation. that's why they're independen , because why they're independen, because politicians always they're going to want growth, aren't they? but

i think that the fact that the uk economy has contracted quite sharply, that will play into their decision making over the coming months. but it all really depends on the headline inflation figure that comes out on the 20th of december. if that figure starts with a three, then i think people will start to believe that an interest rate cut is coming sooner than the bank of england thinks. the bank of england has been talking about interest rates maybe being cut in late summer or autumn next year . cut in late summer or autumn next year. financial markets think the cut will come much quicker , but if inflation comes quicker, but if inflation comes down sharply , tom and emily, down sharply, tom and emily, then i think expectations will shift and people will start looking for a mortgage, an interest rate cut in the early spring. and that means mortgage rates will come down. so if you are on a fixed rate deal and you have to get a new deal, wait if you can, because i think mortgage rates in the market will start to carry on heading

down increasingly. so particularly if the inflation number out on the 20th of december is a number that's pleasing, a number that's falling rapidly . see, liam, falling rapidly. see, liam, i apologise to our viewers for that construction noise that is , that construction noise that is, uh, battling against you. >> but liam , could you break >> but liam, could you break down any of economic activity there is. that's good to see. >> plenty of economic activity. there's no gdp contraction in the construction industry, that's for sure. here >> that's good. liam could you break down for us again ? why break down for us again? why exactly? if the interest rate is held at 5.25, why are mortgage rates coming . down that's rates coming. down that's a really, really good question. >> yeah . why is that bloke on >> yeah. why is that bloke on the telly talking about mortgage rates coming down when the bank of england has just held interest rates? that's because mortgage rates are set by banks and lenders that compete with each other, and they charge more than the bank of england base

rate . of course they do. that's rate. of course they do. that's how they make their money. but the margin between the bank of england and the england base rate and the mortgage rate that they offer us, they're playing with that. they're competing on the size of that it's because the that margin. it's because the banks think that the bank of england will start to lower interest rates quite soon, and that means that they can they will be able to service fund the mortgages that we need in the future for less money. so they can offer us lower rates. now in order to get our business so their competitors don't get our business. we're seeing mortgage rates coming down quite sharply. the average two year fixed now just went below 6% for the first time in a long time, because financial markets are betting that the bank of england is being too gloomy and the interest rates will start to fall soon. other than the bank of england is saying i agree. i've been saying this for quite a few months as have some other people who cover financial markets closely . and that's why markets closely. and that's why i say, again, if you are a fixed

rate mortgage and you're your dealis rate mortgage and you're your deal is going to expire and you need to do a new deal, wait as long as you can, because the outlook for interest rates, the consensus view about where interest rates are going to go , interest rates are going to go, which drive financial markets , which drive financial markets, which drive financial markets, which drive financial markets, which drive money markets , which which drive money markets, which drive how much our mortgage lenders borrow money for before they lend it to us. the view is that inflation is going to fall sooner than the bank of england thinks. those interest rates are going to come down sooner, which means deal for means a better deal for consumers. called consumers. it's called competition, emily. it still exists parts, at least exists in some parts, at least of the british economy, for the benefit of consumers. >> liam, just finally , what >> and liam, just finally, what does then that mean in terms of the politics of all of this? of course, it was the case rightly or wrongly, perhaps slightly unfairly , that liz truss was unfairly, that liz truss was blamed those interest rates blamed for those interest rates going up in the first place, when, course, they went up in when, of course, they went up in in countries, uh, does that in many countries, uh, does that mean that if mortgage rates are starting and starting to come down and perhaps down more perhaps going to come down more over months, the

over the next 12 months, the government might get some credit i >> -- >> look, we discuss that mini—budget endlessly. tom you and i on telly, off telly . the and i on telly, off telly. the reality is that interest rates are now higher than they were at the height of the mini—budget. they're higher in the money markets at the height of the mini—budget. many mini—budget. there are many things truss wrong, but things liz truss got wrong, but i she can be blamed i don't think she can be blamed for rising interest rates. interest have been rising interest rates have been rising around the but look, around the world. but look, here's thing , around the world. but look, here's thing, tom. a lot of here's the thing, tom. a lot of people are saying, oh, rishi sunak, have no sunak, he may have a no confidence be an confidence vote. there may be an election soon. and i agree with that. saying that for that. i've been saying that for many but if rishi sunak many weeks, but if rishi sunak can avoid a no confidence vote, if he's not forced to go to the country combination of the country by a combination of the labour party and some of his own party mps voting against him, i personally think that the tories will play the long game . why? will play the long game. why? the reason they'll play the long game is that they want to drill into drill. drill into the heads

of the electorate . the fact that of the electorate. the fact that the economy is improving , if we the economy is improving, if we all start talking about the fact that inflation isn't coming down, but now inflation is low , down, but now inflation is low, it's approaching the 2% target. interest rates are coming down. they start with a three or even a two mortgage. rates will start coming down and consumer spending will pick up . borrowing spending will pick up. borrowing will pick up well you're talking about drilling down. >> i think we're going to have to leave it there just because of loud, loud drill . to leave it there just because of loud, loud drill. but i of that loud, loud drill. but i know you can barely hear us, but we've got the gist what we've got the gist of what you're saying over the drill. >> and apologies again for the construction >> and apologies again for the conliam ion >> and apologies again for the conliam ,)n >> and apologies again for the conliam , thank you so much for >> liam, thank you so much for bringing all of that bringing us all of that outside the bank of england. >> we see? sorry >> yes. so shall we see? sorry about that construction noise. but what? liam, needed to about that construction noise. but that?iam, needed to about that construction noise. but that?iam, wasaeded to about that construction noise. but that?iam, was wasd to about that construction noise. but that?iam, was was saying. hear. what? liam was was saying. and you did at home. and i hope you did at home. let's see what the feeling is out our high streets our out on our high streets and our markets, though. will hollis is out on our high streets and our m'the ts, though. will hollis is out on our high streets and our m'the medieval. will hollis is out on our high streets and our m'the medieval christmasis is out on our high streets and our m'the medieval christmas market out on our high streets and our m'lincoln dieval christmas market out on our high streets and our m'lincoln .eval christmas market out on our high streets and our m'lincoln . well,zhristmas market out on our high streets and our m'lincoln . well, you'veas market out on our high streets and our m'lincoln . well, you've been rket in lincoln. well, you've been speaking to people there at this christmas market. what have they got to say about interest rates and the state of the economy ?

and the state of the economy? >> yes. well, i guess it can't be described as a christmas miracle . all the interest rates miracle. all the interest rates are going to be staying the same, but it's certainly the kind thing that people would kind of thing that people would prefer to see than a rate rise. we're here right now at saint mary's le wigford in lincoln, where the medieval market has literally just got up . so people literally just got up. so people in here, let's see if we can find somebody that might be able to speak to us about that reaction. for interest rates just really quickly. so just really quickly, we're live on gb news interest rates have stayed the same. the bank rate has stayed at 5.25. what might that mean for you and your finances this christmas ? this christmas? >> very little to be. >> it's, uh, very little to be. >> it's, uh, very little to be. >> to be truthful, we bumble along just as we are whenever they do. >> and then because of high prices, christmas, you prices, this christmas, are you still be spending money still going to be spending money buying that sort of buying presents, that sort of thing? you watching your thing? or are you watching your pennies little more? um, pennies a little bit more? um, a little bit more perhaps, but it's we do . it's not changing what we do. fantastic, sir. enjoy the rest of your shopping. let's find somebody um guys, we're

somebody else. um guys, we're just getting some reaction to interest rates just getting some reaction to inte staying rates just getting some reaction to inte staying exactly rates just getting some reaction to inte staying exactly the rates just getting some reaction to inte staying exactly the same. are staying exactly the same. 5.25. how is that going to affect your christmas? are you going to be spending much going to be spending as much money might in money as you might have in previous christmases? no no. what are you going to be doing this christmas around money? >> , really spending as little >> um, really spending as little as possible? >> um , there's only two of us in >> um, there's only two of us in the house at the moment. anyway so we're just going to treat it as a normal day treat treaters , as a normal day treat treaters, as a normal day treat treaters, a normal day, maybe cutting back on of luxuries on some of the luxuries you enjoyed past. enjoyed in the past. >> oh, yeah. definitely enjoyed in the past. >> yeah.aah. definitely >> yeah. >> yeah. >> what sort of things are going to be cut back what of treats? >> um , fancy food, drink ? >> um, fancy food, drink? >> um, fancy food, drink? >> um, fancy food, drink? >> um , going out, just staying >> um, going out, just staying at home, watching tv, basically . at home, watching tv, basically. >> fantastic. i'll let you carry on with your shopping. let's find some other. on with your shopping. let's find some other . also, find some other. also, considering the interest rates excuse me, madam, no, not to interest rates. the bank is keeping them exactly the same. 5.25. so mortgages won't be going up. but it's not necessarily a good thing. how

might that affect your christmas? do you have a mortgage or do have a little mortgage or do you have a little bit that you've bit of debt that you've considering going considering at the moment going into christmas? >> we do have mortgage? >> and we do have a mortgage? >> and we do have a mortgage? >> but not interested at >> yes, but not interested at the moment. >> not interested at >> sorry mate. not interested at the moment. >> carry on shopping. it's because they've got a big list that guys, that they need to fill. guys, we're just talking about interest rates here because we've the interest rates we've got the interest rates that they're going to be staying exactly 5.25. so exactly the same 5.25. so they're going but they're not going up, but they're not going up, but they're not going down. the bank is them exactly is keeping them exactly the same. that mean. what same. what that might mean. what might for guys might that mean for you guys at christmas. have . christmas. do you have. >> have a mortgage. and >> yes, i have a mortgage. and the, the, the wages are not going up it's level, but the wages aren't going up . and i'm a wages aren't going up. and i'm a low earner compared to the country because it's just the money is rubbish. the government needs to get some money together for the working people . for the working people. >> and then what does it mean for you guys at christmas? did you say you have a mortgage at the no no no mortgage. the moment? no no no mortgage. >> i the interest rate is >> i have the interest rate is pretty moment. pretty good at the moment. >> i'm pleased with

>> so i'm quite pleased with that. interest on like that. the interest rates on like the and things is very the isas and things is very good. >> so good. » so good. >> so pleased with >> so i'm quite pleased with that. at the moment. >> not, i'm not think >> no i'm not, i'm not i think the people today with the working people today with children children , children and without children, the i can't the money isn't there. i can't spend what i used to spend ten years i haven't the years ago. i haven't got the money. i haven't got it as simple and i work. simple as that. and i work. >> and then so you're talking about you're spending. about how much you're spending. what going about how much you're spending. wibe going about how much you're spending. wibe maybe going about how much you're spending. wibe maybe less going about how much you're spending. wibe maybe less than] to be maybe spending less than you would usually when you visit a christmas exactly, a christmas market? exactly, exactly have budget exactly that i have to budget i have budget everything now. have to budget everything now. >> if you don't me asking >> if you don't mind me asking what is that you do for a what is it that you do for a living? and then how is that? >> i'm a residential home. >> i'm in a residential home. >> i'm in a residential home. >> you cracking >> i bet you make a cracking christmas though, don't you? >> w- you? >> my residents love it. but >> and my residents love it. but the is, i just can't. the thing is, i just can't. i haven't got the money. what i had 20 years ago. the money isn't they haven't isn't there. they haven't kept up with inflation, with money. i think wages are terrible. the minimum think wages are terrible. the m is mum think wages are terrible. the mis disgusting. and yet people it is disgusting. and yet people on the dole social security, on the dole and social security, ihave on the dole and social security, i have to go up at 4:00 in the morning to go to work. these people are laid in bed till 2:00. it's not right. so you'd

like more support people like more support for people that working? like more support for people that exactly. working? >> yes, exactly. >> yes, exactly. >> because it's always about >> because it's always on about children. >> because it's always on about childrepensioners. what about us about pensioners. what about us that and we keep that work and we keep this country going . the workers, the country going. the workers, the work, the low class workers, we keep it going. >> and then just finally, what is it you're going to be cutting out of? what is it that you won't have on your christmas dinner or what? presents? >> it's not food because i budget my money wisely, but it's presents i give to presents you cannot i give to charity. had to cut that in charity. i've had to cut that in this year. cannot do it. this year. i cannot do it. i just can't do it. i feel terrible. >> thank you so much for chatting to us today guys on gb news. got a trader in the news. we've got a trader in the back that we're going to speak to the rest your to enjoy the rest of your shopping. following shopping. just keep following me there. because there. um, guys, just because we're the back right we're going to the back right now the medieval christmas now at the medieval christmas market. merry market. hello, sir. merry christmas. loads christmas. we've got loads of fantastic that being fantastic things that are being sold, gems. sold, including gems. chip. hello you over hello how are you doing over there in the background? goes hello how are you doing over thethe1 the background? goes hello how are you doing over thethe way background? goes hello how are you doing over thethe way to ickground? goes hello how are you doing over the the way to ickg back ? goes hello how are you doing over thethe way to ickg back of goes hello how are you doing over thethe way to ickg back of thiszs all the way to the back of this one. wigford . but one. merry le wigford. but there's somebody that we wanted to to because in the back to speak to because in the back here, nick is one of the traders that travels all across the country, going to

country, sometimes going to europe well. and he makes europe as well. and he makes a living relying on people that living by relying on people that have money to spend at christmas. and if we can just go over here. nick, how are you doing? just live on gb doing? we're just live on gb news now. the bank rate news right now. the bank rate has stayed exactly the same , so has stayed exactly the same, so interest going down are . interest rates going down are. but that must be good in some way for you that they're not rising. it >> yeah, i think it probably is. um we i mean, we were slaves to the rises and things. >> i mean, we have seen prices go >> i mean, we have seen prices 9° up >> i mean, we have seen prices go up on a lot of things. >> some surprising things. i mean, spices, some of my spices have more than doubled in price over the last few years. so anything that keeps a certain amount of stability is probably amount of stability is probably a thing for us. what do you a good thing for us. what do you think in the reaction to customers, people that would come to your shop will be this year because of high costs that have been going on for a number of years, but right now are particularly by particularly being driven by those particularly being driven by tho yeah. >> yeah. >> em- >> well, we've had an interesting few years with interesting last few years with with sort of financial with the sort of financial side of things. whether it's

of things. i mean, whether it's the it's brexit or the war or it's brexit or whatever. um, there's been an enormous amount uncertainty enormous amount of uncertainty and gone up . we are and prices have gone up. we are still we're still selling. i mean, we're we're a luxury, but i think people are still spending they want something for themselves. they want a little bit of luxury, a little bit of a treat for themselves. they may be spending less on some of the big things, perhaps, but thankfully we're still thankfully we are. we're still in the market. >> good market to sell >> it's a good market to sell sweet treats. lots of chocolate, all made to recipes that they were making chocolate with a thousand years ago. nick don't go because i know go anywhere because i know you've about 100 customers you've got about 100 customers coming we're going coming this way. we're not going anywhere. the top anywhere. we're here at the top of every hour, we're going of every hour, and we're going to speaking people from to be speaking to people from across coming across lincoln that are coming to medieval to talk to this medieval market to talk about rates, about those interest rates, inflation to do inflation and everything to do with the cost of living. >> thank >> oh, well, will hollis, thank you bringing us that you so much for bringing us that and the reactions people, and the reactions from people, of course, lincoln . of course, in lincoln. >> and just a couple of apologies there. clearly the thick of lincoln, thick medieval walls of lincoln, uh , wherever it was, was it the uh, wherever it was, was it the lincoln cathedral perhaps, or

medieval markets, uh, clearly signal had issues getting through those. >> that was brilliant though. really got a cross section of views . some people who are quite views. some people who are quite happy with the savings that they're getting on their on their savings, interest their savings, the interest they're getting on their savings, and others very concerned of concerned about the cost of living. joining now in living. but joining us now in the studio is mark bogard, chief executive the building executive of the family building society dodi. so, we've society dodi. so, mark, we've just received this news that the bank england has decided to bank of england has decided to keep base rate, as it is keep that base rate, as it is 5.25, still the highest in 15 years. i believe. what impact is that having ? that having? >> well, coming off low interest rates is like coming off a drug. so it was always going to hurt. but it's really interesting because like everything, there are two points of view. so in a really now your really unusual place now your interest rates are 5.25% and inflation is 4.6. so if you're a saver, which more of your viewers will be savers at lunchtime than will have a mortgage, they're getting a really good deal, which is what the penultimate lady was saying

last time that was true was 1948. so wow. personally, i think the banks got interest rates too high. so if you're a mortgage holder , it's lousy. but mortgage holder, it's lousy. but if you're a saver, you haven't beenin if you're a saver, you haven't been in this position since 1948. >> that is so interesting . and >> that is so interesting. and it was fascinating seeing those two women side by side, one saying, well, i've got savings. >> this is great. >> this is great. >> the other saying, i've got a mortgage. is bad. and mortgage. this is bad. and i suppose one of the issues suppose one of the big issues here is that, yes, in terms of historical levels, this is not a particularly high rate in the early 90s, we saw rates going up to almost 15. but i suppose it's the speed at which things have changed. people made decisions made borrowing decisions based on rates that were very, very low . and now suddenly those low. and now suddenly those rates are, well, five times higher, more than five times higher. and that's going to affect. but what people have borrowed. and it could feel like a bigger rise, even though in reality we it hasn't been so the really interesting thing at the moment is although interest

rates have gone up 14 times, and if most people have fixed rate mortgages as you come off, that's going hurt that's really going to hurt because your mortgage rate is probably tripled and, um, actually bad debts and arrears and repossession loans are really low at the moment. >> and the reason for that , you >> and the reason for that, you know, as a building society, if you came to us for a mortgage to relatively recently, we had to stress the rate to 7.3. so you had to prove to us that you could afford the mortgage at 7.3. mortgage rates have not got to 7.3. so although it's really hurting and it's sucking money out of the economy, people can still pay their mortgage because they were stressed. so nobody listens. and everyone said, oh, it's really low rates and they'll go up, which is what's happened now, but it's not there aren't repossessions, there aren't repossessions, there aren't bad debts. we're not seeing people because you did this of affordability, this sort of affordability, rigorous affordability checks when mortgages were handed when these mortgages were handed out. that came a of out. that came as a result of the financial crash. and the last financial crash. and that been huge success,

that has been a huge success, which no one talks about. so you're seeing and you're not seeing arrears and repossessions, which is what you saw the crash in 2008. yeah. >> it's interesting you point that out because a lot of people looking at the interest rate go up why will have up so quickly. why will have been deeply concerned at people not being able to afford their mortgage. but you're saying we're not seeing those repossessions that some might have expected. repossessions that some might hav now, ected. repossessions that some might hav now, repossession is are >> now, repossession is are still effectively at historic low rates. and sometimes you see headlines, you know, they've gone up x percent. but that's only because they're coming from such a low level to what extent is that also to do with the phenomena now so many more phenomena now of so many more people fixed rate mortgages? >> very, very people have >> very, very few people have variable . variable rates. >> well, the bank of england sees this as a sort of academic exercise. it's really interesting . so last time this interesting. so last time this happened it wasn't like this at all. the vast majority of people take fixed rate mortgages often for five years. so this comes through very gradually over five years. they've never had to deal with that before. and so

academically they find that really interesting. when i started, when i got my first mortgage, almost everyone had a variable mortgage. if variable rate mortgage. so if mortgage rates went up that month, sucked money out of month, it sucked money out of the economy. now now if you're lucky, rates will have gone up and down with your five year mortgage. you won't contribute to the pain at all. so what's happening is really unfair because it's just a matter of luck. some people, it's really going other going to hurt. yeah, other people will get through and people will get through it and they'll slightly higher they'll have a slightly higher mortgage they won't mortgage rate, but they won't have with a really have got stuck with a really high. so and the bank of england's really interested in that had that because they've never had to in that environment. to do this in that environment. >> unlucky of all >> and the most unlucky of all will be those who perhaps three or so months ago , who took out a or so months ago, who took out a fixed at very fixed rate mortgage at a very high level . high level. >> it's why our economics and business liam halligan, business editor, liam halligan, perhaps was saying, don't take out mortgage. now expectations out a mortgage. now expectations are rates will are that interest rates will probably fall in the coming months. well, that's a really hard i've got a mortgage that >> so i've got a mortgage that comes 31st of comes up on the 31st of december. so you have a choice. you can a variable rate

you can take a variable rate mortgage if you think rates are going or you can going to come down or you can take fixed rate take a shorter fixed rate mortgage for say, two years. but that really are you going that is a really are you going to go take? think i will to go for take? i think i will take a two year fixed. but because the rates have come down below 5% again, if you go variable, it's a bit more. but that decision is really hard in a in a falling environment , a in a falling environment, which is exactly what's happening at the moment. >> and it depends on your personality a bit. doesn't it? whether you want a risk, a risk or prefer to know or whether you'd prefer to know exactly going to be exactly what you're going to be paying, exactly what you're going to be paying, higher paying, even if it is higher than it would be if than perhaps it it would be if you took a two. >> there are two views about rates the one is rates at the moment. one is called mountain, which called table top mountain, which is be is people think rates will be quite a long quite for high quite a long time. is the time. the other is the matterhorn. one is that because of in economy, of the pain in the economy, actually and go actually they'll go up and go down quite quickly. so if you take then take the matterhorn view, then you rate you should take variable rate and then afterwards. well and then fix afterwards. well i hope right decision hope you make the right decision to come the 31st. >> just just quickly. if we're seeing this sort of delayed effect of the pain because of all these fixed rate mortgages, might also mean there's a

might that also mean there's a delayed effect on of the benefit of rates coming down? might it not be the sugar rush that perhaps some people in government might be hoping for? maybe people won't feel that much better off. >> that's true, but a lot of people over the recent period have taken variable rate mortgages. so the people that have taken variable rate mortgages will then their rate will come down, and then they'll be able to fix. so it's not like it was because if you're a safety first kind of person , safety first kind of person, then you think, oh, i can afford that. then you think, oh, i can afford that . so i'll then you think, oh, i can afford that. so i'll fix it then you think, oh, i can afford that . so i'll fix it because that. so i'll fix it because then i can sleep at night. yeah, but look, the percentage of variable rates has gone up dramatically over the last 12 or 18 months. >> that's very interesting . >> that's very interesting. thank you very much for your time. you for coming to in time. thank you for coming to in the studio. mark bogart there, chief executive of the family building to think interesting indeed to think about different it about the different impact it will different people will have on different people depending yourfinancial depending on your financial circumstances. absolutely >> the search >> well, coming up, the search continues for mother of three gaynor who's been missing

gaynor lord, who's been missing since friday. live on the since friday. we're live on the scene in norwich after this very short .

isabel monday to thursdays from. six till 930. good afternoon britain . britain. >> now, a witness has claimed that missing mother of three gaynor lord was doing yoga, poses in a park moments before she disappeared .

she disappeared. >> norfolk constabulary have appealed for information, releasing cctv footage of the last time the 55 year old was seen before her disappearance on friday afternoon. >> well, the police continue their search link in with the detectives that worked on the nicola bully to case learn lessons from that investigation . lessons from that investigation. >> we can now cross to norwich and speak to gb news national reporter theo jacumba, who's been following the investigation. theo since we last spoke yesterday. we've received we've seen this cctv footage which shows gaynor appear to be in a rush leaving work and then she was found through the streets of the city centre looking like she was in a rush, certainly in a bit of a jog - rush, certainly in a bit of a jog . um, we also know that her jog. um, we also know that her clothing has been found in various locations. what's the very latest ? just . uh it seems very latest? just. uh it seems like we might have a little problem there.

>> connecting to the audio. we'll if we can get that set we'll see if we can get that set up, but i think it is worth revisiting this cctv footage. and we can play this on our and if we can play this on our screens those watching screens for those watching on television, is the most television, it is the most remarkable scene where you see, uh, this woman sort of rushing almost through the streets there are cobbled streets in norwich, and she's running through the streets. i don't think that's, uh, an inaccurate description of what's going on running through that street. and then crossing behind and sort of darting through the oncoming traffic , through the oncoming traffic, clearly in a rush in this footage . um, and also sort of footage. um, and also sort of continuing to run toward the park. but now this, this most, this new piece of information of, of you yoga poses in the park. it's not something that someone was you would assume someone was you would assume someone rushing. why would they then stop and do yoga ? it's all then stop and do yoga? it's all very curious. >> so as we understand, an eyewitness saw the missing

mother saw gaynor, lord take off her coat and start to practice some yoga poses in the park. and i believe as it stands, that was the last time she was spotted from an eyewitness. but of course the police are appealing to the public. anyone who might have any information, anyone who may have seen her in the hours after she left her place of work, which of course, was a department store, but very interesting that they're getting the police who were involved in the police who were involved in the nicola burley case involved to see if they can learn from anything that happened there. >> believe have , >> well, i believe we now have, uh, with theo uh, audio connection with theo chikomba live from scene in chikomba live from the scene in norwich and theo, what's the latest from police ? latest from the police? >> yes, well, a very good afternoon to you both. so since we last spoke yesterday, we of course saw that cctv footage which was released of her leaving the city centre after she had left work around an just over an hour before she was due to finish at 4 pm. and there isn't quite an explanation at

the moment as to why that is the case. but subsequently some of her items , some of her clothes her items, some of her clothes were seen in wensum park, where i am at the moment, and police are particularly focusing on this area as they're working on a hypothesis, believing she may have entered the water. and now just behind me, we've got the river wensum here and police have been going up and down in boats and some have been working on the as well, just to try on the land as well, just to try and see if they can find any further items. they've been doing since the early hours doing that since the early hours of and of course of this morning, and of course we see specialist dive we did see that specialist dive team, which arrived here yesterday . they are now back yesterday. they are now back here again going into the water to see if they can find anything from there. as part of their investigation . and as you investigation. and as you mentioned, they are working alongside lincolnshire police as some of those specialists are working with them here on the scene. and on top of that , they scene. and on top of that, they have been in conversation with lancashire police as we saw earlier this year, the missing

mother of three, nicola burley, was missing for several weeks and the police were under some sort of criticism, particularly when it came to releasing some of those personal details. but of those personal details. but of course, their working together to see what they learned from their experience . learned from their experience. earlier this year. now. but for now, though, police are still appealing for anyone who may have any footage. perhaps dash cam footage or doorbell footage that may help them as part of their investigation . we've also their investigation. we've also heard from some of garner's relatives, particularly her stepbrother , who said this is stepbrother, who said this is something they didn't expect to see. it's a extraordinary, which is been described by one of the family members, and they're hoping just to get some news from the police as they continue their investigations here in norwich . norwich. >> well, theo, thank you so very much for bringing us the very latest there. we know we'll be back to you if see more back to you if we see any more developments in this ongoing investigation. yes. thank you

theo. >> now coming up, theo. >> now coming up , the hit >> now coming up, the hit netflix series the crown has released its final series. but is it really worth a watch? we'll pose that question to our royal correspondent after your latest headlines with sophia . latest headlines with sophia. >> thank you. emily it's 1232. >> thank you. emily it's1232. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. the bank of england has held the interest rate at 5.25% for the third time in a row, amid signs of potential economic challenges . it comes as economic challenges. it comes as the monetary policy committee have previously raised the interest rate for 14 consecutive meetings until it reached a 15 year high of 5.25% at parliament's treasury committee last month. the bank's governor said the threat of uk inflation is being underestimated, but the government says it will keep driving inflation out of the economy to reach the 2% target. the prime minister prepares to double down for the next stage

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gbillionews news. >> good afternoon britain. some breaking news now in the last few minutes a nurse has been sentenced at preston crown court to seven years and two months in jail over the ill treatment of stroke patients at blackpool victoria hospital . victoria hospital. >> our reporter sophie reaper joins us now in the studio with the latest . can you explain this the latest. can you explain this case? absolutely. so back in october, we found that catherine hudson was guilty of these offences , as today was the offences, as today was the sentencing at preston crown court. she basically had been sedating some of the patients at blackpool victoria hospital , blackpool victoria hospital, essentially, to quote the case, because she didn't want to have to deal with them and because she wanted an easy life. now, that is, course , horrendous. that is, of course, horrendous. and it's been the judge has said that this is highly unusual that this is a highly unusual case and that it's damaged pubuc case and that it's damaged public trust in the health system, as, of course it would. so she's received seven years and two months in prison . that and two months in prison. that will half of that will be served in and then the rest in jail. and then the rest she'll allowed to on she'll be allowed to do on licence. there's also

licence. but there's also another , charlotte wilmot. another nurse, charlotte wilmot. she's received jail time she's also received jail time today. she's had three years in prison for partaking in this, but also both of them have been charged with theft . they were charged with theft. they were also stealing drugs from the ward. catherine hudson, we heard today was stealing drugs from a terminally ill patient. so that has on to her sentence. so has added on to her sentence. so it's really quite a horrific thing. and i think in the wake of lucy letby, obviously that damaged public lot. damaged public trust a lot. we're seeing more nurses in we're now seeing more nurses in the west. it is really the north west. it is really just quite horrendous. >> deeply unfortunate that >> it is deeply unfortunate that these two cases that have these are two cases that have affected the north that are affected the north west that are in the west to do with in the north west to do with deep , deep malpractice in the deep, deep malpractice in the health care sector . health care sector. >> i wonder, is this just the tip of the iceberg, or is there more going on across the country? possibly. absolutely >> i mean, this isn't the first nursing scandal we've seen. they've happened all over the country. seems country. it just seems that these have so close these two have come so close together spotlight together that the spotlight really north—west really is on the north—west obviously, know that obviously, we know that statutory is taking statutory inquiry is taking place regarding lucy letby, and

that has asked trusts all over the uk about potential cctv on our wards, whether that's necessary now. it's also asked about the culture in our trusts that that toxic culture, i mean, the fact that these two nurses have been sedating patients who have been sedating patients who have had strokes, things like that, just so that they can have an easy life. how is this found out? initially do you know, was there whistleblower ? yes, yes. out? initially do you know, was therwasvhistleblower ? yes, yes. out? initially do you know, was therwas workingower ? yes, yes. out? initially do you know, was therwas working alongside , yes. she was working alongside a young nurse, a young nurse, and the whistle was blown against her. and that launched a full investigation to find out more about this. and obviously, thank heavens these heavens for that, because these families out and of families have come out and of course, going course, they're going to be troubled this the rest of troubled by this for the rest of their lives, that their family members who they we should be able the staff at able to trust our the staff at our hospitals and evidently that's not always the case. absolutely. and this might a culture of suspicion an and of concern although although better a culture of whistleblowing than a culture of whistleblowing than a culture of cover up and i suppose that that was also a

case in the lucy letby scandal. absolutely i think that we knew that from the very beginning. some of colleagues had blown some of her colleagues had blown the on her, and nothing the whistle on her, and nothing was done. there was a full year where was allowed to get where she was allowed to get away crimes. and away with those crimes. and that's that's now that's another thing that's now been cheshire been investigated by cheshire police. there's a corporate manslaughter investigation going on the senior members of on about the senior members of staff at the countess chester on about the senior members of stifind: the countess chester on about the senior members of stifind outs countess chester on about the senior members of stifind out exactly ss chester on about the senior members of stifind out exactly why chester on about the senior members of stifind out exactly why people r to find out exactly why people were blowing the whistle , and were blowing the whistle, and yet was done. and that's yet nothing was done. and that's something is now something that i think is now going happening going to be happening at trusts all country make all over the country to make sure someone does sure that when someone does raise like this, that raise an issue like this, that it's taken seriously . well, it's taken seriously. well, thank you very much for bringing us breaking news. our us that breaking news. our reporter reaper reporter sophie reaper in the studio yes studio with us. yes >> well, in other news, the popular net flicks series the crown comes to an end today, split into two parts. the final six episodes of season six have premiered on the streaming service today. >> you're gutted, aren't you, that it's coming to an end? >> i it's a bit of a guilty pleasure of mine. i mean, i know it's all i know, a lot of it is nonsense, of course. and you have you to the have to you have to put the health on but it's

health warning on it. but it's good telly. >> yes. well, seven years, six seasons, casts you seasons, three casts later, you either you it. either love it or you loathe it. i haven't tried it, but these final look at the final episodes will look at the penod final episodes will look at the period princess period following princess diana's ahead to diana's death, looking ahead to the next generation of royals, including of prince including the meeting of prince william catherine. william and princess catherine. shall glimpse at the shall we take a glimpse at the trailer ? trailer? >> thank you . three. two one. >> thank you. three. two one. sir >> thank you. three. two one. >> thank you. three. two one. >> william. keep smiling darling. we . two one. darling. we. two one. >> having reviewed the data, the pollsters have now presented their findings. >> asked if the royal family were out of touch with ordinary people, 53% said yes . people, 53% said yes. >> well, joining us now to tell us more is our royal correspondent , us more is our royal correspondent, cameron walker. and cameron, this has been a very controversial series , very controversial series, particularly because i think

looking back to the 1950s, everyone can see that sort of right to be dramatised. we're getting very close to the present day now, big questions about people who are still in the roles, still in senior roles in the royal family. >> yeah, i mean, this series is very much still in living memory . and i think even for our age group in particular, this new six episodes are really going to be in living memory because we're going to have , um, we're going to have, um, incidents like prince william meeting middleton at at meeting kate middleton at at saint andrew's university, the queen's golden jubilee. i remember getting a teaspoon in primary school for her jubilee in 2002. and then of course, very sadly, we are also going to be covering the death of the queen mother and princess margaret's. the queen elizabeth's sister, as well . and elizabeth's sister, as well. and of course, we have to talk about prince harry, don't we? in the controversies of the early noughfies controversies of the early noughties with him, including wearing, wearing a nazi uniform, arguments with prince charles about drug taking . this is about drug taking. this is what's in the series by the way,

and harry complaining that william is always, well , he's william is always, well, he's always in william's shadow. so there are some controversies. i don't think it's going to be as bad as last. the last bit where we had the death of diana, princess of wales, but nonetheless very entertaining. but take it with pinch of salt. >> it all sounds a little bit too close for comfort. um, the university days and the controversies over prince harry and his departure from the working from the royal working family. i mean , eix controversial. >> it is controversial, but i think what we have to remember and i think perhaps there's a dangen and i think perhaps there's a danger, particularly with international audience when it comes to the crown, because it has a huge audience around the world. >> remember that they're going to this series think to watch this series and think every conversations, every single conversations, which see dramatised on which we see dramatised on netflix actually happens, which clearly not case. we do clearly is not the case. we do not is said behind not know what is said behind closed doors, there is closed doors, and there is a danger people will perceive danger that people will perceive real . members of the royal real life. members of the royal family and form an opinion on them based on what they see on netflix . so it's a brilliant

netflix. so it's a brilliant piece of entertainment, but it's very much a drama based on his historical facts than a documentary . he. documentary. he. >> one of the issues i was reading about in this most recent slew of episodes is that the queen starts to plan her own funeral . the queen in the series funeral. the queen in the series starts to look at her own life and think about her own mortality , which so , so close to mortality, which so, so close to the queen's actual death in real life . life. >> really must be done very carefully. i think it will be done sensitively. >> if we look at how they covered the death of diana, princess of wales. they were actually filming season six of the crown in london the day the crown in london on the day queen ii passed away queen elizabeth ii passed away in 2022, and they in september 2022, and they actually ceased filming a actually ceased filming for a short amount time . out of short amount of time. out of respect, it will be done respect, i think it will be done respectfully as i said, but of course you have to remember that it was already written , i think, it was already written, i think, at that they decided to at the time that they decided to do this. i think what's more

contrary , herschel, is there's contrary, herschel, is there's a scene in it. it's a bit of a spoiler alert, i'm afraid if you if you haven't, if you haven't seen it yet, the queen seen it yet, where the queen dreams is now dreams that tony blair is now king because he sees the opinion polls , i know, i know, i know polls, i know, i know, i know because he sees the opinion polls of tony blair being very popular and it panics her a bit. so that's probably the most controversial bit of this part of the series. >> me bringing in the politics. >> me bringing in the politics. >> this is really tony blair's wildest dreams. he dreamed about being president blair of the european commission and all the rest but my goodness, rest of it. but my goodness, i suppose this is to some extent this is the argument against republicanism. you know, if we ditch the royal family, you're going to end up with someone like king tony or president tony. >> well, my what % what the crown >> well, i think what the crown does well is that series is does well is that each series is based on the relationship between the queen her prime between the queen and her prime minister first minister of the times, the first season queen and winston season was queen and winston churchill. of course, this final season and tony blair and season is her and tony blair and i think it's really interesting seeing that change in opinion

polls and how everything reverts back to perhaps a slightly more popular royal family because the series with series ends very happily with the wedding of the then duchess of cornwall, camilla and prince charles. >> it will be interesting to see, or perhaps amusing entertaining at least to see their depiction of the of the romance between prince william and kate middleton on on campus and kate middleton on on campus and the catwalk as well. >> so they do that catwalk scene where william says, wow, kate's hot because she's not wearing lot goodness me. oh, we're getting a oh, here we go. >> a little glimpse there of the of a raunchy catwalk scene. >> countries if you're watching on radio. this was a charity fashion event at saint andrews university. this actually happens prince william was happens where prince william was a and kate middleton then a guest and kate middleton then was one of the models wearing, um, an an interesting outfit, let's put it that way. and prince william is pretty taken by the oh gosh, it's like an awful rom com, isn't it? >> thank you very much, cameron. cameron walker, our royal correspondent. so there you go.

the finale of the crown is out a bit much for a for a 12:00 hour of a of afternoon . much for good of a of afternoon. much for good afternoon. britain. goodness me more. good evening britain . more. good evening britain. >> anyway, in other news, uh, blackpool south mp scott benton should be suspended from the commons for 35 days after being caughtin commons for 35 days after being caught in a lobbying scandal. that's what the committee on standards has recommended . standards has recommended. >> now, a standards committee report said the mp had given the message he was corrupt and for sale. mps approved the sale. if mps approved the suspension, could to suspension, it could lead to a by—election. in his blackpool south constituency and another possible headache for the prime minister. >> well , joining us now is the >> well, joining us now is the chief political correspondent at the times, aubrey allegretti and aubrey, uh , let's just go aubrey, uh, let's just go through the details of what mr benton was accused of. and and what this, uh, standards committee has found him, frankly , to be guilty of. committee has found him, frankly , to be guilty of . so scott , to be guilty of. so scott benson has been under investigation , really for about investigation, really for about seven months.

>> ever since some undercover times journalists went to meet him posing as a fictitious company looking to expand in the uk and offering up to £4,000 a month to an mp for their services . now, month to an mp for their services. now, during month to an mp for their services . now, during the course services. now, during the course of that meeting, mr benton described how he could get access to privileged information , including things like a key government policy paper 48 hours before it was being published . before it was being published. he talked about being able to fix minister meetings with ministers, waiting outside division lobbies in his role as an mp, to be able to sort of corner them and try and bend their ear about things and even talked about ways that potentially could potentially you could circumnavigate around circumnavigate the rules around knowing mps themselves knowing how much mps themselves have been lobbied. scott benton was the chair of the all party group on betting and gambling, and he said that the threshold , and he said that the threshold, if you like, for which you have to declare hospitality is £300, he said with a laugh. how funny it was that sometimes it would come to £295, and therefore you wouldn't need to declare it. the

committee of standards looked at this as a recommended a very hefty suspension and has said that he has created a sort of toxic image of parliament, a 35 day suspension in the history of suspensions . suspensions. >> how tough is that ? is that >> how tough is that? is that quite an extraordinary number of days to be suspended ? days to be suspended? >> it certainly towards the significantly higher end. i mean , most people look at the sort of threshold of ten days, if you like, that is the number that has to be passed in order for an mp to potentially face a recall petition and therefore a by—election. so if you sort of pass that benchmark , you're pass that benchmark, you're certainly in the significant , certainly in the significant, uh, suspension territory . so uh, suspension territory. so going up to 35 days, i think , going up to 35 days, i think, suggests that the committee that looked at this, which is a cross party committee with a conservative majority, really were deeply unimpressed with not just scott benson's behaviour at the , but also his conduct the time, but also his conduct dunng the time, but also his conduct during of the seven during the course of the seven months this investigation and months of this investigation and just at what the next just looking at what the next steps

just looking at what the next ste|of course, is just a >> of course, this is just a recommendation from the standards committee. then there, of , needs be, of course, needs to be, uh, endorsement from the house and then potentially that recall petition walk us through that timeline . timeline. >> of course. so the way it works is that mps on this committee only make a recommendation. the whole house has to approve it. now there hasn't been a vote in terms of, uh , a recommendation like this uh, a recommendation like this being struck down for over a year now. the last time that happened was with owen paterson when boris johnson's government whipped mps to vote against the suspension. normally it's suspension. but normally it's sort as a matter of sort of done as a matter of course, mps understand that course, that mps understand that their colleagues are delegated to issue very, very to look at this issue very, very closely, long time do so. 50. >> so. >> they trust their so. they trust their final verdict. >> i've not met any mps that sort of quibble with it yet. and sort of quibble with it yet. and so the next process will for be the government table motion the government to table a motion . probably this of . probably not this side of christmas . and if the motion christmas. and if the motion passes, then there'll be a recall petition set up for a month. constituents in his

blackpool south constituency , blackpool south constituency, only 10% of them need to sign it in to order trigger a by—election. the whole process could be expedited, though, if scott decides to step could be expedited, though, if scott immediately es to step could be expedited, though, if scott immediately and» step could be expedited, though, if scott immediately and of:ep could be expedited, though, if scott immediately and of his own down immediately and of his own accord. so we're still waiting to hear whether or not he would like do that. like to do that. >> blackpool south, if rishi >> and blackpool south, if rishi sunak does face yet another by—election in that constituency, what's it looking like in terms of support for laboun like in terms of support for labour, the conservatives? is it close ? is close? is >> so i've spoken to both the conservatives and labour and they agree that there should be enough numbers both to trigger the recall petition the the recall petition and the by—election and for labour to take it . mr by—election and for labour to take it. mr benton won by—election and for labour to take it . mr benton won with only take it. mr benton won with only a majority , just shy 4000. in a majority, just shy of 4000. in 2019. it had traditionally been a sort of labour held seat, so labour are fully confident that they think they stand a very good chance of retaking it. it is, of course, a totemic part of signalling labour's march back to power in its former heartlands, and keir starmer will be keen to give rishi sunak

a bloody nose, if you like, in the new year, as the prime minister sort of struggles to draw under his sort of draw a line under his sort of difficult premiership. i should add that there might be one other by—election into other by—election to throw into the we are going to get the the mix. we are going to get the result next week of the wellingborough recall petition, which peter bone is. wellingborough recall petition, whi(mp peter bone is. wellingborough recall petition, whi(mp . peter bone is. wellingborough recall petition, whi(mp . if peter bone is. wellingborough recall petition, whi(mp . if 10%’eter bone is. wellingborough recall petition, whi(mp . if 10% ofer bone is. wellingborough recall petition, whi(mp . if 10% of voterse is. wellingborough recall petition, whi(mp . if 10% of voters there the mp. if 10% of voters there have signed recall petition have signed the recall petition as we could be as well, then we could be looking new year's looking at a double new year's headache prime minister. headache for the prime minister. goodness me, it feels like we've headache for the prime minister. gooimore me, it feels like we've headache for the prime minister. gommore bye, it feels like we've headache for the prime minister. gooimore by electionslike we've headache for the prime minister. gooimore by elections this we've had more by elections this parliament uh, than . parliament than, uh, than. >> been quite a long >> well, it's been quite a long time . aubrey allegretti, thank time. aubrey allegretti, thank you for bringing you so much for bringing us the very potentially very latest there, potentially two elections, in the two by elections, maybe in the spring. yes. >> goodness me , what a headache >> goodness me, what a headache for rishi sunak. that was chief political correspondent the political correspondent for the times, way. aubrey times, by the way. aubrey allegretti, uh, nightmare territory. see territory. really? we'll see what . what happens. >> although it could be spun. i mean likely blackpool. mean, likely to lose blackpool. could wellingborough? could he hold wellingborough? potentially. have been potentially. there have been by—election holds before, but, uh, much more to come on. good afternoon britain. uh after this looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boiler oilers sponsors

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good afternoon britain. >> it is 1:00 on thursday the 14th of december. coming up , 14th of december. coming up, home office failure less than 1% of those arriving on small boats since 2020 have been deported. >> and that's according to new government figures. all the while , many of the rest languish while, many of the rest languish in expensive of accommodation. the cost of the bibby stockholm barge has, for the first time been revealed at an astonishing £41,000 a day. >> wow. and the search continues. it's been nearly a week since 55 year old mum gaynor lord vanished after leaving work in norwich . fresh leaving work in norwich. fresh cctv footage has been released

showing a frantic gaynor rushing through the city centre dodging traffic. we're on the scene as the search operation enters its sixth day. not another one. >> rishi sunak is braced for yet another by—election as the parliamentary standards committee recommends an extraordinary 35 day suspension for former tory mp scott benton. that is, of course, more than three times the amount needed for a recall petition . for a recall petition. >> that statistic only 1% of those who have arrived on small boats since 2020 have been deported. >> less than 1. >> less than 1. that >> less than 1. that is >> less than 1. that is quite incredible, isn't it ? incredible, isn't it? >> no. absolutely new numbers that have come out that really put into scale, that put into context the problems on our

borders and it is extraordinary given the that comparable countries seem to be able to deport so many more people seem to be able to refuse so many more applications , means we're more applications, means we're going to try and get to the bottom of what is really going on with our asylum seeker. we'll be speaking to a member of the home select committee, be speaking to a member of the homlawton. select committee, be speaking to a member of the homlawton. uh, ect committee, be speaking to a member of the homlawton. uh, on committee, be speaking to a member of the homlawton. uh, on on mmittee, be speaking to a member of the homlawton. uh, on on precisely tim lawton. uh, on on precisely why this is happening. >> yeah, we'll put that question to him for you. why have less than 1% been deported ? that than 1% been deported? that seems incredibly, incredibly low. laughably low . really? the low. laughably low. really? the government says they are illegal immigrants. so why has only less than 1? and also the cost of the bibby stockholm barge £41,000 per day from the taxpayer? that is quite incredible too . so is quite incredible too. so we'll put that to tim when we get him. but let's get the headlines. >> thank you emily. good afternoon. it's 1:01. >> thank you emily. good afternoon. it's1:01. i'm sophia

wenzler and the gbillionews room . the bank of england has held the interest rate at 5.25. for the interest rate at 5.25. for the third time in a row, amid signs of potential economic challenges . it comes signs of potential economic challenges. it comes as the monetary policy committee have previously raised the interest rate for 14 consecutive meetings until it reached a 15 year high of 5.25% at parliament's treasury committee last month. the bank's governor said the threat of uk inflation is being underestimated, but the prime minister says progress has been made. >> i've made a bunch of decisions making sure that we don't borrow too much money, making sure that we're responsible with the public finances so we can get finances so that we can get inflation down. it doesn't happen by accident. and, you know, contrast is quite know, the contrast is quite clear. labour clear. you've got the labour party want to borrow party saying they want to borrow £28 billion a year on green £28 billion a year on this green spending spree. all that's going to push up people's taxes, to do is push up people's taxes, push mortgage rates . we want push up mortgage rates. we want to get them down. and that's why in january we're starting to cut people's well. that people's taxes as well. that will help put money in will help put more money in people's at people's pockets. starting at

the beginning of january. so i think making progress. think we are making progress. there's to do, but the there's more to do, but the economy has certainly a economy has certainly turned a corner . corner. >> two nurses corner. >> two nurses from corner. >> two nurses from blackpool are facing prison sentences after they were found guilty for sedating patients . s 54 year old sedating patients. s 54 year old catherine hudson has been given seven years and two months for drugging patients during work shifts at blackpool victoria hosphal shifts at blackpool victoria hospital. incidents occurred hospital. the incidents occurred between 2017 and 2018. her 48 year old colleague charlotte wilmot , was found guilty of wilmot, was found guilty of encouraging hudson to drug a patient and sentenced to three years sentencing , judge years sentencing, judge described the health care workers as wicked and pure evil . workers as wicked and pure evil. a second probe into south wales police has been launched by a watchdog following a crash in cardiff. 16 year old kyrees sullivan and 15 year old harvey evans died after the bike they were riding crashed in ely in may. the new investigation is focussed on complaints made by the boy's families. it's separate from another investigation into the interaction of officers with the teenagers before their deaths .

teenagers before their deaths. it's the sixth day in the search for a missing woman who was last seen in norwich city centre. gaynor lord was last spotted on cctv cameras on friday afternoon. norfolk constabulary says it is likely the 55 year old may have entered the water for an underwater search. teams have scoured the river. miss lord's belongings , including lord's belongings, including clothing and a mobile phone , clothing and a mobile phone, were found in a park near her workplace . the head of a workplace. the head of a lobbying trade association says the findings against scott benton show the need for reform of the lobbying system . it comes of the lobbying system. it comes as the committee on standards recommended scott benton be suspended for 35 days from the commons following a lobbying scandal . the blackpool south mp scandal. the blackpool south mp was filmed offering to leak confidential information to gambling industry chiefs . mr gambling industry chiefs. mr benton was secretly being filmed by reporters for the times , who by reporters for the times, who offered him between 2000 and £4000 for two days work. the mp says he didn't breach any rules .

says he didn't breach any rules. the father, stepmother and uncle of ten year old saira sharif have pleaded not guilty to her murder. the ten year old's body was discovered at her home in surrey august , the day before surrey in august, the day before saira was discovered . the three saira was discovered. the three defendants uk for defendants left the uk for pakistan with five children before returning a month later. the trial of all three will be in september of next year. the trial of all three will be in september of next year . the in september of next year. the uk is banning entry for those responsible for settler violence against palestinians . foreign against palestinians. foreign secretary david cameron says the ban follows similar measures introduced by the eu. it comes as un figures show settler attacks in the israeli occupied west bank have more than doubled since hamas's attacked israel in . october the uk has signed an international treaty with japan and italy to develop a new generation of stealth fighter jets. the deal will aim to build military planes with supersonic capability , be the headquarters capability, be the headquarters for the global combat air programme, will be based in the uk. the planes will take to the

skies in 2035. defence secretary grant shapps says the uk is deeply invested in global security . security. >> it's a really important time for the uk and japan to work closely together. >> the world is much more contested now and we're seeing that with various different conflicts . but it's important conflicts. but it's important that with the conflict in europe and a conflict in the middle east, that we don't forget that the indo—pacific also needs protection well. and the protection as well. and the united kingdom takes those responsibilities incredibly seriously . seriously. >> and a christmassy challenge from the uk spy agency will see schoolchildren across the country put their puzzle solving skills to the test. gchq has launched its annual festive conundrum by sending a snow covered bletchley park christmas card to more than 1000 secondary schools. the card includes seven increasingly complex puzzles and encourages pupils to work as a team to reveal the final festive message . this is gb news across message. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on

your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to tom and . emily. >> good afternoon britain . now >> good afternoon britain. now we'll be getting to that big migration story in just a moment. but for now, the bank of england has announced it's holding interest rates at 5.25, a 15 year high. yes, the bank has kept the rate the same for the past three decisions. >> now, as governor of the bank, andrew bailey stressed that there is still way to go in there is still some way to go in policymakers drag policymakers efforts to drag inflation down, and that policy is remain restrictive is likely to remain restrictive for extended period of time. for an extended period of time. well let's see what the feeling is out on our high streets. >> and indeed, christmas markets. will hollis is at the medieval christmas market in lincoln. and will, what's the feeling on the ground ? feeling on the ground? >> yes. well, i suppose the aim of the bank of england is to

crush that high inflation, not as high as it was a year ago, not as high as it was six months ago, but they still want to bnng ago, but they still want to bring it down from where it's at, at around 4, down to 2. and how they're doing that is by keeping rates high. but keeping interest rates high. but as just said, they're not as i've just said, they're not going up, which is good. it's not necessarily a christmas miracle . let's some miracle. so let's get some reaction from the people reaction to that from the people here the fantastic saint here at the fantastic saint mary's wigford church in mary's le wigford church in lincoln. let's find somebody to speak to . let's see if this speak to. let's see if this gentleman excuse we're gentleman excuse me, sir, we're just check. no, just having a quick check. no, no, all right. well, no, that's all right. well, listen , you have a fantastic you listen, you have a fantastic you have fantastic christmas. so have a fantastic christmas. so i'm sure you've got big i'm sure you've got a big shopping fantastic martin. shopping list. fantastic martin. martin jo—anne nadler. we have a quick chat to you. we're just talking about the interest rates. rates have not rates. interest rates have not gone but that doesn't gone up. um, but that doesn't mean that they're going down fast. it mean for fast. so what does it mean for you a trader here the you as a trader here at the christmas market? >> honest. >> i'll be really honest. >> i'll be really honest. >> i'm really making >> i'm really good at making things i've got things to eat, but i've got literally idea finances literally no idea about finances at to be honest. at all in any way, to be honest. >> about people >> well, what about people spending then? are they? spending money then? are they?

are expecting it to a are you expecting it to be a busy for you as trader? are you expecting it to be a busi for you as trader? are you expecting it to be a busi foundor you as trader? are you expecting it to be a busi found thatu as trader? are you expecting it to be a busi found that people :rader? are you expecting it to be a busi found that people have? are you expecting it to be a busi found that people have been >> i found that people have been saving the money what saving the money for what makes them markets like them happy. so markets like this, you get people who are hobbyists. they'll come and they'll for the they'll save the money for the hobby or something that keeps them throughout year. hobby or something that keeps then um, throughout year. hobby or something that keeps thenum, it'sthroughout year. hobby or something that keeps thenum, it's been|hout year. hobby or something that keeps thenum, it's been|h

and yeah, it's a struggle . but, and yeah, it's a struggle. but, you know, it's our passion . it's you know, it's our passion. it's our love. so we just keep keep going. >> we've only been open for about an hour, but it's been incredibly busy here. are people buy in today or do you feel that there may be a bit hesitant to spend their money this christmas? >> no, no. the thing the difference with our market compared to other markets, we do bnng compared to other markets, we do bring a difference and a bit of history . uh, bring a difference and a bit of history. uh, so bring a difference and a bit of history . uh, so people, what history. uh, so people, what they'll do today is they'll come in, look and see what we've got available because we're open till sunday. so it's not like a panic rush to buy things . and panic rush to buy things. and i've had a few customers. obviously i run that stall over there , but they come in, browse there, but they come in, browse andifs there, but they come in, browse and it's like , yeah, i'm and it's like, yeah, i'm interested in that. so i maybe i'll be back tomorrow. so you are open for four days. >> let's see if we can find some of your customers. tell them where the stuff where where the good stuff is, where the thank you very the honey is. thank you very much. there let's who much. over there. let's see who else find. lots else we can find. there's lots of customers here. about 100 or so inside right now. so people inside right now. guys, can we just borrow you for

two moments quickly? interest rates just announced. rates have just been announced. they're the they're staying exactly the same. they're staying same. that's how they're staying on rate. are you going on the bank rate. are you going to money to be spending more money or less christmas less money this christmas compared christmases in compared to other christmases in the few years? the last few years? >> probably about the same . >> uh, probably about the same. >> uh, probably about the same. >> i'm probably the same. >> i'm probably about the same. i . i think. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> not cutting back anything >> not cutting back on anything this christmas. cutting back on certain chocolatey treats or anything the certain chocolatey treats or anytithings the certain chocolatey treats or anytithings we'd the certain chocolatey treats or anytithings we'd be the certain chocolatey treats or anytithings we'd be cutting back only things we'd be cutting back only things we'd be cutting back on is things for ourselves lives. >> so yeah, treats for ourselves. >> we'd probably cut back on in order to be able to still give. but i've always been one for thinking that christmas is about a lot more than lots of expensive presents. so so therefore you know, i've always been just give what you can and, and really christmas , the and really christmas, the greatest present of all. >> and so what you're saying is essentially that merriment that christmas cheer that could actually be boosted by having high costs because it brings us back around the table for

families. um, possibly. >> yes . yeah. in, in from for me >> yes. yeah. in, in from for me . yeah. i think i think it sometimes the spirit of christmas can be lost to a degree and, and, um, the spirit of christmas originally was always about a baby being born in a stable with nothing . yeah. in a stable with nothing. yeah. so therefore , um, that spirit is so therefore, um, that spirit is what goes through. so you can be for me personally, you can be as merry with very little, which i have been as you can with, with more . so it wouldn't really only more. so it wouldn't really only affect me personally in any other way than that. >> i really fantastically positive way of thinking about what's going on. thank you so much for chatting to us guys. have a good christmas. fantastic. um loads of people here, loads of people celebrating. do you want us to find a few more for you guys, or do you want to, uh, see what else is going on? >> brilliant. very heartwarming stuff from that last in stuff from that last lady in particular. thank you very much

indeed. will hollis has been bringing what people actually bringing us what people actually think there in the real think out there in the real world, from the medieval christmas in lincoln. it christmas market in lincoln. it looks like people scrimped looks like people are scrimped thing, they buy for thing, and what they buy for themselves order able themselves in order to be able to give their relatives and to give to their relatives and friends. isn't that rather nice message and we'll be back with will, the next will, of course, in the next hour so rishi sunak hour as well. yes so rishi sunak says work to do, says there's more work to do, but has certainly but the economy has certainly turned a corner. that's what he's saying. >> well, has it our political correspondent at olivia utley joins now from westminster. joins us now from westminster. and suppose olivia , at least and i suppose olivia, at least these didn't up . these rates didn't go up. >> well, absolutely. at least the rates didn't go up. they stayed the same. but of course, it's still at 50 year high at 5.25. and that just shows how stubborn inflation is being. yes, it's halved. that's what rishi sunak wanted to achieve. and he has managed to. it's gone from 10.7% last . october to from 10.7% last. october to around 4% now. so it's actually more than halved. but of course

the bank of england's target is 2. so it's keeping those interest rates high in order to try and push inflation down even further . now, try and push inflation down even further. now, as for the economy turning a corner, jeremy hunt managed to put a very positive spin on yesterday's economic figures. essentially the figures show that the economy has actually contracted by nought point 3, which is more than economists predicted. they expected a small rise in october, and actually the economy got smaller. but but jeremy hunt says that we are now ready for the economy to grow . ready for the economy to grow. the tax cuts that he put in place in the autumn statement, which come into effect in january, mean that before too long will be in a good place for the economy to start growing again . now, i'm exactly sure again. now, i'm not exactly sure that's what rishi sunak meant when that when he promised that the economy grow at the economy was going to grow at the beginning of year. we are, beginning of this year. we are, in the whole year in fact, for the whole year we've been teetering on the edge of a recession. perhaps next yean of a recession. perhaps next year, interest rates year, when interest rates hopefully at some point begin to go down, inflation continues to fall, and those tax cuts mean a

boost to the economy , then maybe boost to the economy, then maybe we can say that he he will be achieving that , that one of his achieving that, that one of his five pledges. but at the moment isn't it. it's taking quite a lot of spin from the prime minister and the chancellor to persuade us that he has fulfilled that very important pledge of getting the economy growing again . growing again. >> jvt, yes. and inflation has halved, but it is still quite stubborn , actually, compared to stubborn, actually, compared to some our european neighbours. some of our european neighbours. although growth has been stronger in this country, even though it's been pretty poor, but it has been stronger than quite a lot of other countries in where they have in europe where they have actually had a recession amongst the best of a very low base. >> mean, if you look at >> but i mean, if you look at all these european economies all of these european economies together, britain included incredibly, incredibly low growth is teetering on growth germany is teetering on recession. are we contracted last quarter? probably not going to technical recession. but to be a technical recession. but i thing in is i mean, every thing in europe is terrible. meanwhile the americans 5% growth. >> well, absolutely. and the

argument that conservatives on rishi sunak's backbenches are making is that america is growing , while other european growing, while other european economies are shrinking, is because america has much, much lower tax than pretty much any country in europe. there are those on the left who say that if you try and cut taxes, then you'll just see inflation rise. but there are plenty on the right who say that cutting taxes is actually the only way to get the economy growing again. jeremy hunt obviously announced some some big swathing cuts to, uh, a few types of business tax in the autumn statement. and of course, that all important cut to national insurance. so maybe that'll mean that the economy gets moving again. but as you say , it's a bad picture all say, it's a bad picture all across europe. and as rishi sunak reminded us at the covid inquiry earlier this week, one of the big reasons for that is because we are just living through the after effects of locking down the entire economy , locking down the entire economy, essentially shutting down the whole economy for the best part of two and a half years.

>> well, there is that. thank you very much indeed. olivia utley. our political correspondent live from westminster. you know, i have a theory, rishi sunak and theory, um, that rishi sunak and jeremy hunt were spooked by liz truss and her mini—budget and the way that went with kwasi kwarteng at the helm of the treasury . and they're fearful of treasury. and they're fearful of acting in a bold way. but i'm thinking this is my theory. i'm thinking this is my theory. i'm thinking this is what i would like to see. we've got a general election coming quite quickly. the clock is ticking . they may the clock is ticking. they may as well throw the kitchen sink at growth and just make some bold now now see what bold reforms. now now see what happens, because we need growth andifs happens, because we need growth and it's been stagnant for far too long. >> you know, you're completely right, emily, to say reforms because it's not just about tax and growth commission that and the growth commission that was convened truss after was convened by liz truss after she did this big she left office did this big report the time the report at the time of the budget, which yes, there budget, which said, yes, there are that need budget, which said, yes, there arecut, that need budget, which said, yes, there arecut, but that need budget, which said, yes, there arecut, but some that need budget, which said, yes, there arecut, but some of it need budget, which said, yes, there arecut, but some of the need budget, which said, yes, there arecut, but some of the biggest to cut, but some of the biggest roadblocks to growth are regulatory and particularly refer to how hard it is to build stuff in this country. so so, so

changing how we get building and changing how we get building and changing how we regulate our own companies as well could be the key. >> but yes, it would help if it didn't take decades to build a train line or decades to get a housing development off the off the ground. >> yeah . so all the most >> yeah. so all the most remarkable thing that i saw recently, there's a proposed tunnel to go underneath the river thames. i'm out, out, out east. the planning application alone for that tunnel is into the hundreds of millions of pounds before a single spade has hit the ground . the planning hit the ground. the planning application, all the lawyers , application, all the lawyers, all the paperwork, all of the invoices , mental assessments has invoices, mental assessments has run into over £100 million. >> you can make a killing being a lawyer in this country, there is so much work , particularly is so much work, particularly when it comes to local government as well. >> and of course, immigration policy too, which we're going to get to on very shortly. but coming up, because we've seen that small boat that only 1% of small boat arrivals have been deported since 2020, is a crazy

since 2020, that is a crazy figure. we're going to put that to an mp very shortly, but we have the latest next on the missing norfolk mum gaynor. lord, this is good afternoon britain.

sunday mornings from 930 on gbillionews is . gbillionews is. >> it's 123 gbillionews is. >> it's123 on. good gbillionews is. >> it's 123 on. good afternoon britain. very shortly we'll be discussing our lead story that less than 1% of those arriving on small boats since 2020 have been deported, and we're going

to be joined by tim loughton mp in the next half hour. and i just want to put the question why? why less than 1? it seems incredible to me, especially when you compare it to many european countries that manage to actually deport a significant proportion of their own illegal migrants . migrants. >> there's clearly something going wrong , something getting going wrong, something getting bunged up in the whole process, and clearly quite a lot of lawyers making quite a lot of money in the process. well, yes. >> what's going on in the home office? what we want to office? that's what we want to know. also £41,000. that's know. but also £41,000. that's the cost per day for the bibby stockholm barge, which is only currently at 60% capacity. we had the tragic news of someone dying on a barge as well . and dying on a barge as well. and that's 22.5 million, i believe the contract is it's a huge amount of money. is it worth it? we'll also put that to tim in the next half hour. >> but in the meantime , a >> but in the meantime, a witness has claimed that missing mother of three gaynor was

mother of three gaynor lord was doing yoga poses in the park moments before she disappeared . moments before she disappeared. >> yes, norfolk constabulary have appealed for information. they've released cctv footage of the last time the 55 year old was seen before her disappearance on friday afternoon. there she is running through the city centre. >> cameras in the shop where gaynor was working show her shortly before she left, appearing to be smiling. >> the police continue their search, linking in with a detectives that worked on the nicola bully case learn nicola bully case to learn lessons that investigation. lessons from that investigation. >> well , we lessons from that investigation. >> well, we can lessons from that investigation. >> well , we can now cross to >> well, we can now cross to norwich and speak to the gb news national theo theo national reporter theo theo chikomba and theo, what's the very latest from the police? >> yes. well, a very good afternoon to you. so at the moment, investigations are still ongoing . so just to my left, ongoing. so just to my left, just off camera, there are several police officers who've been going through the bushes. they've been going through various areas of the park and they've been doing that since they've been doing that since the early hours of the morning. and just over my left shoulder,

you may be able to see an orange boat , which some officers have boat, which some officers have been using to go up and down the river since the early hours of this morning. but at the moment there seems to be no signs of any updates at the moment. but the police and norfolk police are appealing to anybody in the area who might have been around on friday. and of course the following days they are asking if people can share with them any footage they may have, which might help them in their investigation. and of course, that cctv footage, okay, unfortunately, theo's line isn't so good. >> they're very quiet indeed . i >> they're very quiet indeed. i think we can't really hear him very well, but we're looking at the cctv , the cctv footage from the cctv, the cctv footage from norwich, as you can see in the corner there going, oh, lord, the 55 year old woman who has gone missing since last friday. she seems to be walking up a hill there. previously she was crossing roads quickly, dodging traffic, rushing about , crossing roads quickly, dodging traffic, rushing about, but crossing roads quickly, dodging traffic, rushing about , but she traffic, rushing about, but she seems to be walking with quite

some purpose and quite some speed. >> and there is this cobbled street in norwich where she's running , running through the running, running through the streets to the direction of the park. it's all very curious , park. it's all very curious, because one moment she's running . another moment she's sort of in a rush across the road, dodging traffic as she goes, not waiting for those lights. but then this witness saying she was doing yoga . doing yoga. >> and the one theory by the police was that she may be in the in the river. of course, they've been looking for her since friday. i believe. or at least that is when she did appeared. how long it will take to find her? we don't know. but the police are , of course, the police are, of course, appealing to anyone who may have any footage , who may be an any footage, who may be an eyewitness, who may have seen gaynor lord at some point on that friday. so they can try and find some more leads, some more clues to where she may be. but a very curious case. >> we've re—established this line to theo. now let's just get

a bit more detail on what the police are up to and what they perhaps have in in what they're what their suspicions are as to what their suspicions are as to what has happened in this mysterious case. so their working hypothesis remains that she may be in the water, hence why they're continuing to search this area. >> so this park, wensum park, just on the edge of the city centre here in norwich, has been closed off to the public since last week and it remains the case as they continue their investigation , as they've been investigation, as they've been searching all through this area in the park are taking anything they find which may help them as part of their investing mission, but we are potentially going to hear from the police this afternoon who may have further updates. but from this morning they have been back in the water. that specialist team, they've been working with lincolnshire as well, are lincolnshire police as well, are back in the water. they've just left the water a few moments

ago. i think just to get some kit which they've left in the van, which is in the middle of the park, but they have been working throughout morning working throughout the morning and may see and indeed, like we may see similar scenes like yesterday, they were working into the night. but for now, though, it seems as though the investigation isn't over and they'll continuing until they they'll be continuing until they find answers. >> say the police >> theo, did you say the police were be to the were going to be speaking to the press later this afternoon? is that said? yes yes. that what you said? yes yes. >> so potentially there'll be speaking to the press this afternoon . we have been told and afternoon. we have been told and we've been issued potentially at time this afternoon. so we may be hearing from the police. but what they will say , they haven't what they will say, they haven't given any heads up on, on that at the moment. >> well there will be right back to they make that to you when they do make that statement. very statement. and thank you very much the updates much for providing the updates in yes thank you in the meantime. yes thank you very much. >> today is the seventh day >> now, today is the seventh day of hanukkah, and in communities across the people been across the uk, people have been coming together for the celebration. >> but with the israel—hamas war ongoing increased ongoing and increased anti—semitism reported across the uk, how are communities

feeling? well, our west midlands reporter jack carson has gone to find out more . all across the uk find out more. all across the uk and around the world, jewish community are celebrating hanukkah. whether it's the nightly lighting of the menorah or special prayers and fried foods , the festival of lights is foods, the festival of lights is a chance for people to come together here in the west midlands. members of the chabad solihull and solihull shul gathered on the first night of the celebration, watching on and protecting event were protecting the event were members of the police, a reminder of the increased hostility towards jews in the uk in the 60 days after the hamas terror attack on israel, the community security trust recorded at least 1890 anti—semitic incidents across the uk. that's the highest ever total reported across a period of that length since the start of that length since the start of records in 1984. organiser of this event, rabbi pink, says it's heartening to see a community proud to identify with their heritage at a time when so many people are terrified due to

the ramp anti—semitism that's going on around the world. >> it's extremely heartening to see so many people come out, stand proud to identify as jews and be proud of their heritage. when people come to you with irrational hatred and hiding your identity isn't the answer, because they're not going to hate you any less. let's be proud of our identity . let's proud of our identity. let's demonstrate that we're not going to be cowed by intolerance . to be cowed by intolerance. we're going to stand proud and share our message of love and kindness with the entire world. >> the story of hanukkah is that after the jews defeated the syrian greeks, persecuting them in the century bce and in the second century bce and reclaimed the holy temple in jerusalem , they lit the temple's jerusalem, they lit the temple's menorah and a one day supply of oil lasted eight days. but as people gather here to watch the ritual, the situation in israel today brings a different meaning today brings a different meaning to hanukkah. >> this year, i've got lot >> this year, i've got a lot of friends family israel, friends and family in israel, and one of friends posted and one of my friends posted today that in her house they are

lighting . lighting. >> they have two menorahs. >> they have two menorahs. >> have one that they're >> they have one that they're lighting they're not. >> all the hostages . and >> for all the hostages. and it's a time to remember , you it's a time to remember, you know, there are people that know, that there are people that can't light their menorahs this year be with their year and can't be with their families. important . families. it's very important. >> bringing people who families. it's very important. >> religiousinging people who families. it's very important. >> religious ,1ging people who families. it's very important. >> religious , not; people who families. it's very important. >> religious , not religious,vho are religious, not religious, whatever this, this, this symbolism survival , of giving symbolism of survival, of giving light to everybody and receiving light to everybody and receiving light is a feel good factor. >> and it brings everybody together, strangers in the street, not just family. >> it's not like a sit down christmas lunch. it's eight days. not even the week, which is seven days. it's one extra day to go that extra mile for many jewish families across the world, this hanukkah will be one for remembrance, with the hope that the candles on their menorah bring into menorah can bring light into their darkness. jack carson gb news, solihull . well a happy news, solihull. well a happy hanukkah if you're celebrating the religious holiday, but coming up, only 1% of migrants who have arrived on boats have been removed from the uk . been removed from the uk. >> we'll be discussing that with

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>> good afternoon britain. let's talk now about those shocking figures released today that less than 1% of those arriving on small boats since 2020 have been deported from the united kingdom . is this a major home office failure, or is this what the system is designed to deliver? well joining us now to discuss this and more is the author and broadcaster emma wolf and novara media's contributing editor, michael walker . michael walker. >> well, yes , it's been revealed >> well, yes, it's been revealed to the home affairs committee that the home office hasn't particularly been doing a good job across a number of different metrics. emma we've got this news that only 1% of migrants who have arrived in small boats since 2020 have actually been deported . and, um, there's also deported. and, um, there's also the cost of the bibby stockholm barge has been revealed, and it is quite astonishing. £41,000 per day is what it's costing the taxpayer. £22.5 million contract. um what's going on in

the home office? emma >> what's not going on in the home office ? home office? >> i mean, you can't really. >> i mean, you can't really. >> i mean, you can't really. >> i see sunak trying to spin this, but there's really no way to spin it. there's just the record speaks for itself. less than 1% of people removed from those small boats. and when you take out non—albanian , uh, small take out non—albanian, uh, small boat crossings that's 99.6% of migrants crossing on small boats across the channel who haven't been removed . been removed. >> it's interesting, isn't it, because we get over a thousand of the 112,000 people, we get harsh rhetoric from the government, don't we, michael? but it seems like they're far better at the home office anyway. it's far better at dishing out the visas than it is about, uh deporting anyone about, uh, deporting anyone who arrives illegally . arrives illegally. >> well, think the rhetoric is >> well, i think the rhetoric is the on here. >> i mean, this is the issue, not the stats. well, no, i mean the rhetoric in terms of the difference between what we're seeing what seeing them saying and what they're think they're doing. so i think whether right, whether whether left, right, whether pro—migrant anti—migrant, the thing is thing that everyone agrees on is that isn't fit

that the home office isn't fit for purpose and doesn't work very is very well. and i think this is potentially about potentially a story about austerity, because you had cuts to of 25. to the home office of 25. >> happened? it much, >> what happened? it took much, much to people's claims. >> so i looked it up earlier. so 20,000 people, the 20,000 people, that was the backlog by 2022, was backlog in 2010. by 2022, it was 170,000 that's the 170,000 people. so that's the people waiting for their people who are waiting for their claims processed. claims to be processed. now, that's not just because of an increase so actually increase in numbers. so actually the people the record number of people who came asylum came in a single year as asylum seekers was in 2002. and we didn't get this crisis then because we had a state that actually worked a little bit better because been better because it hadn't been cut so i think this cut to the bone. so i think this is about is a story really about inefficiency and how we a inefficiency and how we have a tory government that a very, very time liked very long time has liked to sound if very tough on sound as if it's very tough on migration, but actually its policies make sense. migration, but actually its pol it's; make sense. migration, but actually its pol it's just make sense. migration, but actually its pol it's just austerity. sense. >> it's just austerity. >> it's just austerity. >> think it's also ideology. >> i think it's also ideology. we we've leaks from the we know we've had leaks from the home office, people saying we've had intention of really had no intention of really taking migration seriously. had no intention of really taking had ration seriously. had no intention of really taking had ration never|sly. to we've had we're never going to put into action. put these policies into action. >> so why would that have changed because i suppose changed since? because i suppose what saying there's what i'm i'm saying is there's been what i'm i'm saying is there's beeand the new labour the >> and the new labour and the tories don't think it was tories and i don't think it was that people more liberal. that people got more liberal. >> that the system

>> i think it's that the system stopped >> i think it's that the system st0|might that there is a >> might it be that there is a deliberate policy here? there was fascinating with was a fascinating interview with robert when he robert jenrick when he was migration minister about six months ago, where he was asked , months ago, where he was asked, why don't you speed up processing? and he says, well, you might not want to speed up processing because it would encourage it encourage more to come. might it be that the government has actually , actually perhaps delayed, deliberately down process deliberately slowed down process , being deliberately had lots of people uh in those people languishing? uh in those backlog queues is simply because if they ran too efficient a system, they believe that's a magnet. >> but it depends on what kind of what kind of situation you put people in when they're in a backlog. if they're able just to live in this country and live their lives, that's one thing, then it would encourage people just sit in just to come over and sit in that backlog forever. if that backlog forever. but if people actually kind people are actually being kind of put on of detained forcibly or put on the stockholm whatever, the bibby stockholm or whatever, it what you do, what it depends what you do, what your what your whole setup is, it does seem that there is this odd sort of thing, though, michael, that the united kingdom has signed up to all of these treaties that in many the treaties that in many ways, the

united up in united kingdom helped set up in the wake of the second world war at a time when international migration was much , much lower migration was much, much lower than i think it could even ever be now. be thought to be now. >> , and, uh, according to >> and, and, uh, according to those treaties, millions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of people around the world have right to move to world have the right to move to the uk. now, the uk doesn't want to withdraw from those treaties. so it just wants to frustrate the process of that moving. and it like there's this sort it seems like there's this sort of one hand, there's of odd. on the one hand, there's these obligations, but on these legal obligations, but on these legal obligations, but on the the to try and the other, the way to try and prevent moving to the other, the way to try and preve the moving to the other, the way to try and prevethe legal moving to the other, the way to try and prevethe legal obligation to the other, the way to try and prevethe legal obligation is to ditch the legal obligation is it's to things awful it's just to make things awful and tricky. >> i think you're on to >> well, i think you're on to something. when you were something. before, when you were talking about there being a vested in not getting vested interest in not getting rid not rid of these backlogs, in not making these decisions quicker, and don't that's a and i don't think that's as a deterrent quite deterrent because it's quite difficult people from, difficult to deter people from, from i think way to from coming. i think the way to deter would to deter people would to essentially back deter people would to esserthere's back deter people would to esserthere's massive back deter people would to esserthere's massive legalack now, there's massive legal problems massive problems with that, massive moral problems with that. sending a few to rwanda sending a few people to rwanda isn't to do anything . and isn't going to do anything. and holding people years or holding up people for years or two a time also isn't

two years at a time also isn't going to deter people, because people are leaving desperate situations. they've people are leaving desperate situationcreated they've people are leaving desperate situationcreated crisis ve actually created this crisis because want us to be because they want us to be talking i talking about migration. i people why rishi people keep saying, why is rishi sunak talking stopping the sunak talking about stopping the boats can't do it's boats when he can't do it? it's because doesn't talk because he doesn't want to talk about he doesn't want about the nhs. he doesn't want to he to talk about interest rates. he doesn't about doesn't want to talk about anything else because he knows that really him. anything else because he knows tha i really him. anything else because he knows tha i agree' him. anything else because he knows thai agree with him. anything else because he knows thai agree with hinon >> i might agree with you on that. it for the fact that. were it not for the fact that. were it not for the fact that we've heard the home office consider amnesty those consider an amnesty to those who've come from certain countries we've heard countries, we've also heard of interviews at the home office for asylum claims being cut drastically to hasten the process. so where does that fit in with that theory? well you could say it's now got to its limit, right? >> so they need to be seen to be getting down the backlog. so we're getting backlog. we're getting down the backlog. you backlog right. you created the backlog right. so think they have and this is so i think they have and this is where i get very cynical about the government, almost conspiratorial where i think they've concocted this they've almost concocted this crisis prefer crisis because they would prefer to next election on migration. >> imagine their competency. >> imagine their competency. >> no, the reason talking >> no, the reason he's talking about an argument about it is, is an argument against it's easy against that, because it's easy to make pledges. you can make

five little neat pledges, put them on headstone, put them on them on a headstone, put them on a it out. whatever a card, hand it out. whatever you and then you make the pledges, and then you make the pledges, and then you oh. haven't met any you go, uh oh. haven't met any of them or oh, they weren't pledges. of pledges. they were kind of aspirations. pledges. they were kind of aspirati�*about because it's talking about it because it's a massive issue, i think. i massive voters issue, i think. i think going to be an think it's going to be an election. what people election. this is what people care he responds to it care about. so he responds to it and then can't follow through. and and yet into in 2015, >> and yet and yet into in 2015, the conservative party, the conservative party started talking migration. talking a lot about migration. in they then had in 2013, 2014. they then had advisers come in as the long campaign for that 2015 election took off that advised them to stop talking about migration because it was driving voters, not to the conservative party, but it was driving conservative voters to then ukip. and i wonder if the same thing is happening now. the more rishi talks about stopping the boats, it's people think, it's not making people think, oh, is the guy that we need oh, this is the guy that we need to boats. it's making to stop the boats. it's making conservatives think these boats are they're are a real problem and they're finding parties on the right. >> f- f i don't know. right. >> i don't know. think >> well, i don't know. i think people know an issue, people know it is an issue, don't you? do. don't you? they do. >> and really care. people >> and they really care. people really now. really do care about this now. and have sort of

and yeah, they've have sort of it's and egg isn't it. it's chicken and egg isn't it. they're the kind they're feeding the kind of immigration it's very immigration beast. it's very visible. we talk about small boats visible boats because that's the visible problem. on the problem. you can stand on the cliffs talk about boats cliffs and talk about the boats coming in, whereas know, coming in, whereas you know, you don't talk. we can't see the 600, 700,000 net migration. people coming in. we just feel it all around us. >> but is it interesting that we don't feel loads of ukrainians? we don't feel loads of people from kong. don't of from hong kong. i don't sort of walk the street and see walk down the street and see loads of people of, of, of chinese origin. i mean, it doesn't like there's been doesn't feel like there's been hundreds of hong hundreds of thousands of hong kongers, have some kongers, but there have in some areas you were in areas say if you were in a university town, you might nofice university town, you might notice know, a lot of notice you know, a lot of students, for example , or if students, for example, or if you're on the coast, have you're down on the coast, i have friends who live down in sort of kent they talk kent coast, and they do talk about immigrants coming about a lot of immigrants coming to areas. to those areas. >> think it depends where >> so i think it depends where you know, is you are. you know, london is maybe bit more dispersed. maybe more a bit more dispersed. >> stevens written in >> michael stevens written in and there's one reason and he says there's one reason why so long. why the backlog is so long. decisions are made regularly enough. problem enough. but the problem is lawyers, the appeal process is used used and used until used and used and used until it's exhausted. is it that it's exhausted. so is it that once in the system , it's

once they're in the system, it's very hard to actually deport someone, even if they don't really have a genuine asylum claim? because there are just so many legal hurdles to go through. and that's what the government at least government is trying to at least curtail in one way or another. i mean, i think this is one of those where, those situations where, again, we what's changed. >> so as far as i there >> so as far as i know, there aren't any significant laws that have were have come in since labour were last government. what's last in government. what's happened that defunded last in government. what's hap home that defunded last in government. what's hap home office defunded last in government. what's hap home office and defunded the home office and so everything is completely dysfunctional obviously, if dysfunctional and obviously, if you're what want you're a lawyer, what you want to find is a hole in the case of the office official. and if the home office official. and if you've of i mean, you've got a bunch of i mean, i think one of the big problems in the home office was that in basically all departments, their initial cuts was by giving people redundancy. so people voluntary redundancy. so they say, do you want to go or give leaving package? what give you a leaving package? what does means that does that do? it means that anyone experience anyone with any experience in every leaves and then every department leaves and then five or or five years later, or 6 or 7 years later, they realise, oh god, to hire a load god, we've got to hire a load more suddenly more people. because suddenly this and this backlog has built up and then in the department then everyone in the department is i you've is new. so i think you've probably got a lot of home office, home office officials. sorry. bad office, home office officials. sorry. which bad

office, home office officials. sorry. which are bad office, home office officials. sorry. which are full bad office, home office officials. sorry. which are full of bad office, home office officials. sorry. which are full of holes.ad cases which are full of holes. and that's why it gets of and that's why it gets sort of tied up in the courts for years. >> pause one >> well, let's pause this one here are more here because there are more stories through, notably stories to get through, notably a very concerning story a very, very concerning story that nation's that we've seen in the nation's caphal that we've seen in the nation's capital. on the capital. and that is on the london underground . and there london underground. and there was a horrific sexual assault, a rape . that took place in front rape. that took place in front of a crowded tube train. there's an article here about it that says, man who raped woman in front of other passengers on london underground, jailed. but the most astonishing thing, perhaps that it perhaps here, emma, is that it took a french tourist to be the only person to report this, didn't intervene , reported it. didn't intervene, reported it. >> but that's better than nothing . there are a few things nothing. there are a few things here i can't believe it's taken three years. this happened in february 2020. i can't even believe this is this man has now been sentenced. now last friday, last friday i think was that last friday i think it was that jailed. he was actually in jailed. um, he was actually in jailed. um, he was actually in jail burglary. jail already for burglary. this the ? um, what does the perpetrator? um, what does it say about us? well, firstly, let's think about what that 20

year has gone through . year old woman has gone through. it's taken three years for this guy to be put in jail for this crime. what does it say about our society that are we too scared or are we too just uncaring? i hope it's that we're too to intervene and that too scared to intervene and that not that we're that uncaring. i don't know what you think, emily, astonished emily, but i've been astonished in years by how short in recent years by how short sentences are michael for severe sexual assault, like in this case, nine years in prison with a further five on licence . a further five on licence. >> clearly, if you were brazier ian enough and evil in my view, to rape a young woman on on a train in a train carriage , uh, train in a train carriage, uh, surely that should be a longer sentence. is sentencing too weak when it comes to sexual assault? >> um, i'm not an expert on this. >> i mean, i think we need to. i suppose what i can say is, is what are we talking about when we say we want a sentence to be long? now, i think what is shown is that sentences aren't is that longer sentences aren't a deterrent. no one

a good deterrent. so no one says, not going to says, i'm not going to commit a crime because i might be in for 12 nine years. 12 years instead of nine years. what is what longer sentences do do is they off the streets they keep people off the streets for then you've got the for longer. then you've got the issue of age. obviously it is issue of age. so obviously it is the are the case that people are most likely commit when likely to commit crimes when they're, know, young adult they're, you know, a young adult essentially. is there essentially. so is there any point into point in keeping people into jail into their 50s and jail into their late 50s and 60s? are there are 60s? i think there are there are lots discussions to have 60s? i think there are there are lots but scussions to have 60s? i think there are there are lots but i:ussions to have 60s? i think there are there are lots but i think1s to have 60s? i think there are there are lots but i think it to have 60s? i think there are there are lots but i think it shoulde 60s? i think there are there are lots but i think it should be here, but i think it should be evidence based. i think it is a concern when sort of we make minimum sentences based on single stories and then a political then political outrage, because then we people. we end up putting people. >> take your point, but why >> i take your point, but why didn't need be sorry? didn't they need to be sorry? >> why can go to my >> why can we just go back to my point? didn't anyone stop >> why can we just go back to my poinman? didn't anyone stop >> why can we just go back to my poin man? why?'t anyone stop >> why can we just go back to my poin man? why? why/one stop >> why can we just go back to my poin man? why? why didn't:op >> why can we just go back to my poin man? why? why didn't anyone this man? why? why didn't anyone just like, the just think about, like, the older generations? father, older generations? my father, if he a woman hurt, he saw a woman being hurt, he would can. would have intervened. how can. how here and talk how can we sit here and talk about a woman being raped in a tube what's it got to do tube train? what's it got to do with sentencing ing? the woman was being raped attacker. was being raped by an attacker. i one can only imagine . >> no one can only imagine. people felt petrified, frozen in. but that is the most generous interpretation. >> do we know how many people were on the train? did they

know? train it an know? busy train or was it an empty train? know? busy train or was it an em i've:rain? know? busy train or was it an em i've seen reports that it was >> i've seen reports that it was a carriage, which makes it a busy carriage, which makes it even well, i don't know, even more. well, i don't know, but we know there was no cctv even more. well, i don't know, bwhich know there was no cctv even more. well, i don't know, bwhich is know there was no cctv even more. well, i don't know, bwhich is onew there was no cctv even more. well, i don't know, bwhich is one ofthere was no cctv even more. well, i don't know, bwhich is one of the; was no cctv even more. well, i don't know, bwhich is one of the big,; no cctv even more. well, i don't know, bwhich is one of the big, big cctv , which is one of the big, big problems here. , which is one of the big, big pro andis here. , which is one of the big, big pro and perhaps argument for >> and perhaps an argument for cctv every tube, carriage cctv on every tube, carriage train . train. >> but this does also lead to. so i think the evidence on sentences deterrence is very sentences and deterrence is very weak. on chances of weak. the evidence on chances of getting is getting caught and deterrence is very strong. so if you think you're caught you're going to get caught immediately, that reduce immediately, that does reduce crime significant degree. >> yeah. but it is rather frightening for, uh, women , frightening for, uh, women, women using public transport to hear stories like this. absolutely horrifying . but shall absolutely horrifying. but shall we move on? >> i suppose there'sjust we move on? >> i suppose there's just one further thing. i'd add that on the flip side, of course, last night, member of night, uh, the member of parliament, did parliament, david davies, did intervene in a case not of sexual assault, but of assault, where two men were were , uh, where two men were were, uh, beating up a homeless man on the floor who wasn't fighting back, who was defenceless and, uh, guto harri, the former director of communications for number 10, and david davis of course, former brexit secretary, former

member of the sas, which i suppose helps when comes to suppose helps when it comes to intervening into vened are i'd like to think i would have intervened, but i just thinking, thinking, thinking to myself, i don't know if i would have done in walking down a street in like walking down a street night. two men beating someone up. would i have tried to cross the road? or would i have intervened? it's such a difficult position to put myself in, and a man on in, of course, and as a man on your own, why would you? >> necessarily >> why would you necessarily feel two other feel able to take on two other men up something? you feel able to take on two other men i up something? you feel able to take on two other men i mean,p something? you feel able to take on two other men i mean, the�*mething? you feel able to take on two other men i mean, the dynamics you know, i mean, the dynamics of that, just feel so that, i just i just feel so appalled about a woman being attacked and raped in public and no intervening. deal no one intervening. i deal something's gone very wrong. yeah yeah, well, it would appear that way. >> we time for one last story? >> gosh, it feels like a bit of a gear change. >> gosh, it feels like a bit of a gea does1ge. >> gosh, it feels like a bit of a gea does feel like a of >> it does feel like a bit of a gear change, but still a very important the to important issue. the right to work home. it is creeping work from home. it is creeping up upon you'll be able to up upon us. you'll be able to ask your employer very um, ask your employer very soon, um, for . what do you for flexibility. what do you think of this, emma? do you think of this, emma? do you think we've become a little bit too reclusive? we all want to work at home.

>> look, i think we need to work work at home. >> ask, i think we need to work work at home. >> as a i think we need to work work at home. >> as a society we need to work work at home. >> as a society where ed to work work at home. >> as a society where we to work work at home. >> as a society where we standk out as a society where we stand on working from home because we're building loads of we're still building loads of offices, mostly offices, which are mostly sort offices, which are mostly sort of being sold of empty and not being sold people. some people say it's far more . get loads more productive. you get loads done. say you're done. some people say you're absolute skivers. you know, civil wanted skype civil servants wanted to skype off, days, pay for four off, get five days, pay for four days worth, that kind of thing. um, jobs. you um, loads of jobs. you can't manual work, low manual jobs, menial work, low skilled work. you can't. you have to work, television. have to go to work, television. you have to to i think you have to go to her. i think i think we work out. is it think we need to work out. is it more is it not? more productive? is it not? and then michael then go with that. michael >> should be a right? >> why should there be a right? surely companies, if they think it's give right it's good, will give the right and others that think it's bad won't? know what? the won't? and you know what? the one productive. one that's most productive. those companies. are we the successful those companies. are we the successfuit's the right to ask >> well, it's the right to ask for it, isn't it? so i presume what that means that the what that means is, is that the company, if they're not going to give at give you some of the week at home, have explain so home, have to explain why so clearly in clearly if you're in the construction they'll construction industry, they'll say, good reasons, say, no, we've got good reasons, but if you work in admin and they say, we want you in they say, well, we want you in two meetings, right? >> walker emma woolf, >> michael walker emma woolf, thank very much. stay with thank you very much. stay with us. is good afternoon.

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gb news. >> good afternoon britain . it's >> good afternoon britain. it's 2:00 on thursday. the 14 of december coming up this hour. >> home office failure. less than 1% of those arriving on small boats since 2020 have been deported. and that's according to new government figures. all the while , many of the restless the while, many of the restless languish in expensive accommodation. the cost of the bibby stockholm barge has been revealed for the first time at an astonishing £41,000 a day. >> the search continues. it's been nearly a week since 55 year old mum gaynor lord vanished after leaving work in norwich. fresh cctv footage has been released showing a frantic

gaynor rushing through the city centre and dodging traffic . centre and dodging traffic. we're on the scene as the search operation enters its sixth day, not another one. >> rishi sunak is braced for yet another by—election as the parliamentary standards committee recommends an extraordinary 35 day suspension for former tory mp scott benton . for former tory mp scott benton. if approved by the house, that is grounds for a recall petition . now we'll get to all of that, including getting to the bottom of that show achingly low deportation figure. >> after we get to the headlines with sophia i >> -- >> thank 5mm >> thank you tom. it's 2:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . the bank of england newsroom. the bank of england has held the interest rate at

5.25% for the third time in a row, amid signs of potential economic challenges as it comes as a monetary policy committee have previously raised the interest rate for 14 consecutive meetings until it reached a 15 year high of 5.25% at parliament's treasury committee last month. the bank's governor said the threat of uk inflation is being underestimated, but the prime minister says progress has been made. >> i've made a bunch of decisions and is making sure that we don't borrow too much money, making sure that we're responsible with the public finances we can get finances so that we can get inflation down. it doesn't happen by accident. you happen by accident. and, you know, contrast is quite know, the contrast is quite clear. got the labour know, the contrast is quite clear. saying got the labour know, the contrast is quite clear. saying got �*wantabour know, the contrast is quite clear. saying got �*want to ur know, the contrast is quite clear. saying got �*want to borrow party saying they want to borrow £28 billion a year on this green spending spree. all that's going to push up people's taxes, to do is push up people's taxes, push mortgage we want push up mortgage rates. we want to them down. and that's why to get them down. and that's why in january starting cut in january we're starting to cut people's well. people's taxes as well. that will put more money in will help put more money in people's pockets. starting at the beginning january . so the beginning of january. so look, are making look, i think we are making progress. more to do. progress. there's more to do. but the economy has certainly

turned . turned a corner. >> shadow and trade >> but shadow business and trade secretary jonathan reynolds says the should take the government should not take credit halving inflation. credit for halving inflation. >> the inflation target for the united is 2% inflation united kingdom is 2% inflation coming down is really to do with some of those global pressures changing supply chains , changing supply chains, adjusting to what we've seen. i think people will look at and think people will look at it and say, when inflation rose say, well, when inflation rose so significantly, the government said with us. said nothing to do with us. >> war in ukraine. it's >> it's the war in ukraine. it's these global pressures . these global pressures. >> when recede, they >> and when those recede, they want for it coming down. >> i don't think the british people be convinced of that case. >> two nurses case. >> two nurses from case. >> two nurses from blackpool are are facing prison sentences after they were found guilty for sedating patients . it's 54 year sedating patients. it's 54 year old catherine hudson has been given seven years in two months for drugging patients during work blackpool work shifts at blackpool victoria . all the victoria hospital. all the incidents occurred between 2017 and 2018. her 48 year old colleague charlotte wilmot, was found guilty of encouraging hudson to drug a patient and sentenced to three years sentencing , judge described the sentencing, judge described the health care workers as wicked

and pure evil . a second probe and pure evil. a second probe into south wales police has been launched by a watchdog following a crash in cardiff city . 18 year a crash in cardiff city. 18 year old kyrees sullivan and 15 year old kyrees sullivan and 15 year old harvey evans died after the bike they were riding crashed in ely in may. the new investigation is focussed on complaints made by the boy's families . complaints made by the boy's families. it's separate complaints made by the boy's families . it's separate from families. it's separate from another investigation into the interactions of officers with the teenagers before their deaths. it's . the teenagers before their deaths. it's. it's the teenagers before their deaths. it's . it's the sixth day deaths. it's. it's the sixth day in the search for a missing woman who was last seen in norwich city centre. gaynor lord was last spotted on cctv cameras on friday afternoon. norfolk constabulary says it is likely the 55 year old may have entered the 55 year old may have entered the water and underwater search teams have scoured the river miss lord's belongings, including clothing and a mobile phone, were found in a park near her workplace . the head of a her workplace. the head of a lobbying trade association says the findings against scott benton show the need for reform of the lobbying system . it comes

of the lobbying system. it comes as the committee on standards recommended scott benton be suspended for 35 days from the commons following a lobbying scandal . the blackpool south mp scandal. the blackpool south mp was filmed offering to leak confidential information to gambling industry chiefs. mr benton was secretly being filmed by reporters for the times, who offered him between 2000 and £4,000 for two days work. the mp says he didn't breach any rules as the father , stepmother and as the father, stepmother and uncle of ten year old saira sharif have pleaded not guilty to her murder. the ten year old's body was discovered at her home in surrey in august, old's body was discovered at her home in surrey in august , the home in surrey in august, the day before saira was discovered . day before saira was discovered. the three defendants left the uk for pakistan with five children before returning a month later. the trial of all three will be in september next year. the trial of all three will be in september next year . the uk in september next year. the uk is banning entry. in september next year. the uk is banning entry . for those is banning entry. for those responsible for settler violence against palestinians. foreign secretary david cameron says the ban follows similar measures

introduced it comes introduced by the eu. it comes as show settler as un figures show settler attacks israeli occupied as un figures show settler attacibank israeli occupied as un figures show settler attacibank have raeli occupied as un figures show settler attacibank have more)ccupied as un figures show settler attacibank have more thanied as un figures show settler attacibank have more than doubled west bank have more than doubled since hamas's are attacked israel in october over. since hamas's are attacked israel in october over . the since hamas's are attacked israel in october over. the uk has signed an international treaty with japan and italy to develop a new generation of stealth fighter jets. the deal stealth fighterjets. the deal will aim to build military planes with supersonic capability . the headquarters for capability. the headquarters for the global combat air programme will be based in the uk. the planes will take to the skies in 2035. the funeral for the former minister, baroness kinnock is taking place . this the family of taking place. this the family of the mep and wife of ex—labour leader lord kinnock , says she leader lord kinnock, says she was a proud democratic socialist who campaigned for justice was a proud democratic socialist who campaigned forjustice and who campaigned for justice and against poverty . she was against poverty. she was diagnosed with alzheimer's in 2017. sir keir starmer described her as a true fighter for the labour party . he was seen labour party. he was seen arriving at the funeral earlier, followed by gordon brown, tony blair and sadiq khan.

followed by gordon brown, tony blair and sadiq khan . this is gb blair and sadiq khan. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to tom and . emily. now to the tom and. emily. now to the appalling state of our asylum system. >> only 1% of migrants who have arrived in small boats. >> small boats. sorry i think your mic is down. small boats since 2020 have been deported. only 1% migrants who arrive only 1% of migrants who arrive in boats since 2020 have in small boats since 2020 have been . that's according been deported. that's according to new figures. and just 95% of albanian migrants have been sent back. despite the uk having a separate returns agreement with the country, which is rather cunous the country, which is rather curious because the government often talks about how many albanians have been sent back to albanians have been sent back to albania . now. the shadow home albania. now. the shadow home secretary, yvette cooper, says

the figures show more truly shocking tory asylum failure. so the conservative mp and home affairs select committee member tim loughton, joins us now . so, tim loughton, joins us now. so, tim, thank you very much indeed for joining us. hi, tim. are you forjoining us. hi, tim. are you as shocked as we are to find out that less than 1% of small boat arrivals have been deported since 2020? i don't think shocked is the right word. >> i think aspirated, we had just last in the last couple of weeks when we interviewed the senior civil servants from the home find that in the home office to find that in the last year, more than 17,000 applications by asylum seekers had withdrawn and they had been withdrawn and they didn't know where they are. >> so we've got a problem about a shortage of those who failed their asylum claims or are not pursuing them, actually leaving the country. and they were not really sure where those who don't have a claim for asylum pending or have had it rejected are still in the country, but we don't know exactly where they

are and what they're what they're doing. the only bit of good news is that the rate at which the asylum applications are now being processed, and the backlog being dealt with, has risen considerably, which is great. but those people who failed to have a credible asylum claim then need to leave the country and clearly that is not happening at nearly pace happening at nearly the pace it needs happen. happening at nearly the pace it neewhy happen. happening at nearly the pace it neewhy hit pen. happening at nearly the pace it neewhy hit happening happening at nearly the pace it neewhy h it happening such >> why is it happening at such a low rate compared to comparable countries in europe? is it that we don't have a place to send these people to? or frankly, is it that the cases that we build are far too shoddy in the first place? well to be fair, there are many other european countries faced with even larger figures who are really struggling to deport those people who don't have a claim thatis people who don't have a claim that is upheld . that is upheld. >> and this is why the rwanda deal >> and this is why the rwanda deal, which is a part , not the deal, which is a part, not the be all and end all, but a part of the government's migration strategy is so important because in many cases, those people that

we are struggling to deport are from countries where they are virtually. it's virtually impossible to return them to. so hence having a third country, rwanda , so that they will rwanda, so that they will hopefully be deterred from coming across the channel in the in the first place is an important way of making sure those people who do not have a credible claim and know credible asylum claim and know that they make it into that once they make it into british territorial waters, they could here the could be here for the foreseeable, that there's an alternative with alternative way of dealing with them that deter them from them that will deter them from coming across the channel all coming across the channel at all in place. coming across the channel at all in tim, place. coming across the channel at all in tim, i'mylace. coming across the channel at all in tim, i'm a|ce. coming across the channel at all in tim, i'm a bit confused. here >> tim, i'm a bit confused. here is is it that the home office is it is it that the home office is it is it that the home office is failing make decisions is failing to make decisions quickly claims ? or is quickly on asylum claims? or is it because those who aren't deemed to have a legitimate asylum claim are not being deported because of legal appeals through the court system? what is holding it up? because it's quite extraordinary that only 1182 out of over 110,000 have actually been deported . the government has deported. the government has such strong rhetoric when it comes to illegal migration, and

yet we seem to be far better at dishing out visas than we are about deporting those who don't have legitimate claim to be here. >> well, it's a combination of all of those those those things . all of those those those things. as i said earlier, actually, the government has speeded up and got much more effective at processing those claims of those claims, though there are this year a much larger amount who seem to have had their claims upheld, a much larger amount, who have then withdrawn their claims or had them withdrawn. but then we don't know where they are , and then only a small they are, and then only a small amount who have been returned. the real problem at the end of the day , emily, is that it is the day, emily, is that it is quite difficult to return people to certain countries, and particularly those countries from which the major nationality is are coming across the channel at the moment, which is why you have got to do something that diverts them from coming across the channel and then being able to claims in the uk to pursue their claims in the uk if they do not have a credible claim. are bringing in these

claim. we are bringing in these safe and legal route options next year, is right for next year, which is right for those genuine asylum seekers genuinely danger and genuinely fleeing danger and persecution who have a credible case of coming to the uk. it's right that we do that which means is no excuse then to means there is no excuse then to pay means there is no excuse then to pay people smugglers to come across the channel in the most dangerous way possible. when you don't any credible don't really have any credible claim be in the uk. and it's claim to be in the uk. and it's the small amount of people and those numbers have reduced, fortunately. we need to fortunately. but we need to reduce them far, far more. and that's why p&o is that's why the p&o scheme is important. deterrent. >> yet rwanda scheme, >> and yet the rwanda scheme, critics of it would say that it will only take a few hundred thousand potential people who cross in small boats . that could cross in small boats. that could be one day's arrival fills up the entire scheme. is it your understanding, having scrutinised those who work in the home office yesterday , that the home office yesterday, that this scheme is perhaps larger than we than we're being told? or is it really only a hundred couple of places ?

couple of places? >> let's be clear . the rwanda >> let's be clear. the rwanda scheme is uncapped , but the scheme is uncapped, but the grander scheme is there and won't be judged on the basis of how many hundreds of thousands of people we send to rwanda for where it's successful. it will be judged on how fewer the numbers are coming across the channel because it's become a lottery. as to whether you end up in a hotel in kent or on a plane back to rwanda. and why do i think that that will be a deterrent? well, when the home affairs select committee to affairs select committee went to calais we saw calais earlier this year, we saw all people in the all the people involved in the operation stopping the boats operation of stopping the boats and migration system over and the migration system over there. what they told us there. and what they told us very was when the very clearly was when the government announced rwanda government announced the rwanda scheme, all, in may, i scheme, first of all, in may, i think it was of last year. they saw a surge of migrants from calais approaching the french authorities about trying to regularise their status in france , because they didn't want france, because they didn't want to risk being sent to rwanda. the trouble is, of course, the scheme literally hasn't got off the ground yet. so that deterrent has evaporated. if we can start this, this scheme, a

very clear message will go out is that don't even bother to come across the channel because you're going to end up on a plane to rwanda that will cut the numbers. very considered . the numbers. very considered. i've no doubt about about that. and then we can really work on looking after those people with a genuine assignment claim and absolutely down absolutely clamping down on those the boats those still using the boats who don't credible claim to don't have any credible claim to come to the uk and are gaming the and the and the the system and the and the generosity of the british taxpayer. >> and tim, just very quickly, while you, it's been while we've got you, it's been revealed bibby revealed the cost of the bibby stockholm barge £22.5 million. that's effectively £41,000 a day that the taxpayer is expected to stump up for this. do you get the impression that the home office, the government, may give up on the policy of barges simply because the costs are out of and have been of control and there have been so issues? well i don't so many issues? well i don't know, but the reason they've looked at barges and they are looking and bringing on online in former military bases, ex detention centres and others, is

because cramming more and more people into hotels around the country is not a sustainable option. >> it's completely wrecking the tourist market. you've got several towns that have got a real concentration of these hotel bills, and it's not the most appropriate long tum accommodation, particularly when you've got children and families as as well. so it's not that they to do this. they've they want to do this. they've got other got to look at other alternatives. now the numbers of hotels are coming hotels being used are coming down. we need absolutely to scrutinise the amount of money that the bibby stockholm is going to going to cost. but barges are used in in other countries . we were in belgium countries. we were in belgium a few weeks ago. they're using barges there. other barges over there. other countries do well. a countries do as well. it's a question of you have to accommodate people somewhere once come across the once they come across the channel. solution is make channel. so the solution is make sure every deterrent is in is in force to prevent them coming across the channel in the first place. on top of working with the french police to intercept more of them on french beaches . more of them on french beaches. the trouble the french, when the trouble is the french, when they then

they intercept them, don't then arrest them or they won't intercept the boats once in the water and bring the passengers back french shores when back to french shores when they'll paid 3 ,4000 for they'll have paid 3 or ,4000 for a round trip to people smugglers. that would smugglers. and that would absolutely kill that trade. if the french to change their the french were to change their practice, have this practice, we wouldn't have this problem at all. >> well , tim problem at all. >> well, tim loughton, thank you so bringing us the very so much for bringing us the very latest interesting that latest there. interesting that so of this problem of not so much of this problem of not being able to deport people is about where they from in about where they come from in the perhaps being the first place, perhaps being difficult to deport to those specific countries. it does make the case in a pretty powerful way for having a third country like option. like rwanda as an option. hmm'hmm not enough answers in my view . view. >> but anyway, in the last few minutes, police in norwich gave an update on the search for missing mother of three gaynor lord, almost lord, who went missing almost one let's have a one week ago. let's have a listen to chief listen to what chief superintendent had superintendent dave buckley had to on on the investigation to say on on the investigation so far. >> okay, so the investigation at the moment is still focussed very much on the river. >> um, we asked our working hypothesis remains is that

gaynoris hypothesis remains is that gaynor is in the river, even though we're exploring other lines, as you'd expect us to keep a very open mind. >> you've seen quite >> that's why you've seen quite considerable searches >> that's why you've seen quite co the erable searches >> that's why you've seen quite co the erabl> that's why you've seen quite co the erabl> makes you so convinced >> what makes you so convinced that she's the water? that she's in the water? >> at moment, we'll look >> so at the moment, we'll look at obviously, like i said, an open mind. there's number open mind. so there's a number of of inquiry that we are of lines of inquiry that we are pursuing. everything that we pursuing. but everything that we know a high know is pointing to a high probability that gaynor went into and that would into the water and that would be from cctv, very from the cctv, from the very limited we've got

limited witnesses that we've got available to us at the moment. and other lines require that we're about gaynor's we're pursuing about gaynor's behaviour in the lead up to her disappearance. so the moment, disappearance. so at the moment, the river is a really key factor for now. it's not to say that for us now. it's not to say that other specialist police teams aren't working on lines aren't working on other lines of inquiry, they are, but aren't working on other lines of inrthey, they are, but aren't working on other lines of inrthey, you're are, but aren't working on other lines of inrthey, you're seeingt aren't working on other lines of inrthey, you're seeing that at the moment you're seeing that intensive effort around the searching and the searching of the water and the parks and of the parks around and some of the other this area. other land around this area. i was going to say we saw some of your search teams today across the they'd actually the park >> they'd actually left the park across gone some >> they'd actually left the park ac some gone some >> they'd actually left the park ac some sort gone some >> they'd actually left the park ac some sort of gone some >> they'd actually left the park ac some sort of scrubland some to some sort of scrubland wasteland near some houses. to some sort of scrubland waswhyid near some houses. to some sort of scrubland waswhy havear some houses. to some sort of scrubland waswhy have you me houses. to some sort of scrubland waswhy have you decided es. to some sort of scrubland waswhy have you decided to go >> why have you decided to go over there? >> specialist search >> so the specialist search police teams here. they're police teams are here. they're norfolk xl bullies own teams and we're being really, really we're just being really, really thorough. day we look at thorough. so each day we look at what we've undertaken and then there's certain areas we there's certain areas that we would research again, depending on what we might have found and just want to be absolutely sure that we're missing nothing in terms not terms of evidence, not not just for gaynor herself, but any evidence that may been evidence that may have been dropped, lost, whatever. just dropped, lost, whatever. we just need that we've need to be sure that we've covered all the ground. >> you released some cctv footage from gaynor >> you released some cctv footage work. from gaynor leaving work. >> can her cctv

>> you can see her on cctv leaving work and she looks like she's smiling. then you see her going various in going through various roads in norwich centre. looks norwich city centre. she looks like she's bit of a hurry. like she's in a bit of a hurry. >> what is that? >> what is that? >> cctv telling you? >> cctv telling you? >> all. >> cctv telling you? >> there's also a half hour penod you >> there's also a half hour period you she went period where you think she went into the cathedral grounds. so what cctv telling you at what is the cctv telling you at the moment? >> the cctv is telling us that she work she made >> the cctv is telling us that she over work she made >> the cctv is telling us that she over arvork she made >> the cctv is telling us that she over a period she made >> the cctv is telling us that she over a period ofshe made >> the cctv is telling us that she over a period of time|ade >> the cctv is telling us that she over a period of time to e her way over a period of time to the river she was seen. the river where she was seen. nobody's seen her into nobody's seen her go into the river. nobody's seen it into the water. we that she water. but we know that she ended in the at the ended up in the park at the moment. nothing else moment. there's nothing else that showing us that the cctv is showing us about she may spoken about who she may have spoken to, interactions might to, any interactions she might have literally have had, it is literally the journey that you've seen so far that we've put out. >> that's release of cctv. >> that's release of cctv. >> it yielded any lines >> v has it yielded any lines that following? >> v has it yielded any lines tha no, following? >> v has it yielded any lines tha no, at lowing? >> v has it yielded any lines tha no, at the ng? >> v has it yielded any lines tha no, at the moment, no, >> no, not at the moment, no, but she left work early. >> reason for that. >> no, we don't know. i mean, this is this is some of this behaviour is out of character. we of her we can't explain some of her behaviour day. and behaviour that day. and we're working with working really closely with the family, friends, family, with friends, with anybody we that anybody else that we know that may with her in may have had contact with her in recent weeks to and recent days and weeks to try and understand why may have

understand why this may have happened and what of her family and about said happened and what of her family and her. about said about her. >> i think we're supporting the friends as close as friends and family as close as we can. >> think people very >> i think people are very shocked happened. >> i think people are very shocked knows happened. >> i think people are very shocked knows why1appened. >> i think people are very shocked knows why she's1ed. >> i think people are very shocked knows why she's done what nobody knows why she's done what she's done. um, and we will just have if we can have to work and see if we can find out some parallels are find it out some parallels are being tragic case being drawn to the tragic case of bulley up in lancashire. >> are there any that >> are there any lessons that have been learnt that case have been learnt from that case that applying to this that you're now applying to this investigation norfolk? investigation here in norfolk? >> in the case of >> i think so, so in the case of lancashire, course, we'll lancashire, of course, we'll always from jobs lancashire, of course, we'll alwa have from jobs lancashire, of course, we'll alwa have happenedrom jobs lancashire, of course, we'll alwahave happened before.s lancashire, of course, we'll alwahave happened before. in that have happened before. in terms lancashire. terms of lancashire. we've reached to, on terms of lancashire. we've rea(investigators to, on terms of lancashire. we've rea(investigators that 0, on terms of lancashire. we've rea(investigators that worked the investigators that worked on, on, that case found out on, on, on that case found out anything and anything that we can learn and we but at the we will apply it. but at the moment not concerned. i moment i'm not concerned. i think we're doing everything we can inquiry and can to progress this inquiry and are with the are you in contact with the force the force up there who led the investigation into nicola? yes we are, yes are. are they we are, yes we are. are they helping you? yes, they are helping you? yes, they are helping when helping you? yes, they are help case when helping you? yes, they are help case concluded, when helping you? yes, they are help case concluded, theen that case was concluded, the college policing, with college of policing, along with the crime agencies, the national crime agencies, have do awful lot of to have do an awful lot of work to then be then look at what can be learned, can be applied. learned, what can be applied. and it may be in terms of search tactics, may be in terms tactics, it may be in terms of even interact even how the police interact with the

with and deal with asking the pubuc with and deal with asking the public for help, you know, and all of that. we then reapply in our own inquiries. our in our own inquiries. >> for me, is >> and finally, for me, this is still a missing inquiry. still a missing persons inquiry. >> missing persons inquiry. >> yes. >> yes. >> what is message to >> what is your message to anybody? might have >> what is your message to anyiinformation might have >> what is your message to anyiinformation about might have >> what is your message to anyiinformation about wherejht have any information about where gaynoris? gaynor is? >> well, we've had members gaynor is? >> public/e've had members gaynor is? >> public come1ad members gaynor is? >> public come1ad merfar rs the public come forward so far as a result of all the work and press we've i press that we've put out. i would just encourage anybody who's seen anything, however insignificant call insignificant it may be, to call into the police and tell us what you know, because every of you know, because every piece of information you know, because every piece of informivery much. thanks very much. >> others have >> thank you. others might have questions. >> well, there we chief >> well, there we go. chief superinten giving superinten dave buckley giving updates investigation . updates on that investigation. still being treated as a missing person investigation with a high probability that gaynor went into the water. let's reflect on all that now with theo chikomba, our national news reporter on the scene . theo, what did you the scene. theo, what did you make of what the detective had to say ? to say? >> yes . well, interestingly, he >> yes. well, interestingly, he mentioned that 30 people have come forward. members of the pubuc come forward. members of the public with some evidence over the last couple of days. and

that will help them to continue what they are investigating here at the moment. but he did confirm that underwater investigations are continuing. we've seen some of those specialist officers who are working with norfolk police and some of that team from lincolnshire police have been here since he yesterday. and of course, those efforts are continuing just to my left here, officers are working on the ground as well, going through some of the bushes, going through grass and through some of the grass and area in this area and they're continued to look for anything that might help them in this investigation . and of course, it investigation. and of course, it remains to be seen what happened . and since last week, it's been almost six days now since she was reported missing on friday evening after she had finished her shift at work. she left early just over an hour early when she was due to finish at 4 pm. but of course they're working. hypothesis remains that she may have gone into the water. >> um, thank you very much

indeed.theo >> um, thank you very much indeed. theo chikomba there, our national reporter who is at the scene now, the bank of england , scene now, the bank of england, has held the base rate of interest for a third consecutive time. it's remaining at 5.25. >> yes , but andrew bailey, the >> yes, but andrew bailey, the bank's governor has indicated that cuts are still unlikely in the coming months, as there's still a way to go in efforts to get down inflation. >> so joining us now in the studio is liam halligan our economics and business editor, who is no longer in front. he's with on the money reporter . with on the money reporter. there we go . liam. no there we go. liam. no construction site behind you this time. you've got the air. is it true that we're likely to see interest rates hold for the foreseeable ? foreseeable? >> well, that's certainly the impression the bank of england wants to give. unlike the federal reserve , the us central federal reserve, the us central bank that's signalling . bank that's signalling. yesterday it held rates, but signalling that rates will be coming down soon. inflation in the us , though, is lower than

the us, though, is lower than here. it's 3.1% on the latest numbers and it's 4.6% here in the uk. look financial markets don't actually believe that the bank of england financial markets, if you look at the weight of money on money markets in the futures market, traders making bets on where interest rates are going to go, find markets, think that interest rates will fall from their current rate of 5.25, where they've been since august . uh, they've been since august. uh, some time in the spring or early summer there. if you look at the futures markets, we're looking at interest rates of 4.25% from the bank of england . by this the bank of england. by this time next year , which is much, time next year, which is much, much lower than the bank of england is signalling . i much lower than the bank of england is signalling. i think what's going on here is there's a credibility issue because the bank england and allowed in bank of england and allowed in inflation to go so high inflation to go so high inflation peaked at over 11% back in october last year. they have a bit of a credibility problem. they were slow to really get moving with raising

interest rates to tackle inflation. so now maybe they're overdoing it looking like kind of hard nuts on inflation. and unbelievably, i didn't get to tell you last time because as you say, there were pneumatic drills surrounding me outside the bank england. emily, even the bank of england. emily, even with my big booming voice, i couldn't speak them, could couldn't speak over them, could i? but if you look at the minutes of the monetary policy committee, the nine economists at the bank of england who set interest rates eight times a year , the minutes are split six year, the minutes are split six three in terms of voting , what three in terms of voting, what does that mean? it means six of the economists on the committee, including the governor, voted for rates stay , say at 5.25. for rates to stay, say at 5.25. there was some speculation that rates may actually fall because the economy has been contracting, but guess what? the other three members of the monetary policy committee, they voted for rates to go up even more . and really, they voted. more. and really, they voted. i mean, unbelievably, they're sort of really posturing. we're really hard . we're the bank of really hard. we're the bank of england, and we may raise

interest rates again because we were so useless at doing it before, inflation were so useless at doing it before so inflation were so useless at doing it before so much inflation were so useless at doing it beforeso much higher inflation were so useless at doing it beforeso much higher than tion to go so much higher than elsewhere. look it's a game central . central banking is a central. central banking is a very, very, very, very important game. it's a game of credibility. it's a game of fate. if you if you like . and fate. if you if you like. and because the bank of england was slow to get going raising rates and because inflation in the uk was higher than many other major economies, largely because of high prices. by the way , high energy prices. by the way, but because, in my view, but also because, in my view, the bank of england fell asleep at wheel for a while. the at the wheel for a while. the bank england posturing bank of england is now posturing and saying we yet raise and saying we could yet raise rates again . so watch out . rates again. so watch out. >> and it's interesting that that those, those three key economists who wanted to raise rates, did they miss the news that the economy contracted in the last quarter? i mean, i would have thought that that would have thought that that would be a pretty, pretty big wake up call that perhaps some time to time to sort of ease off a little bit. time to time to sort of ease off a liyou'd t. time to time to sort of ease off a liyou'd think so, wouldn't you, >> you'd think so, wouldn't you, tom? of course, the news

yesterday, gdp was contracting, the contracting . so the economy was contracting. so you'd think if you lower interest rates, it's easier to borrow, it's easier for consumers with big mortgages . consumers with big mortgages. his get the economy moving again. but no they want to raise rates which makes life even more difficult for hard pressed firms and households. this is what i was talking about. it's about credibility . was talking about. it's about credibility. bank england credibility. the bank of england is target is only meant to target inflation. it's meant to inflation. it's not meant to worry growth . and those worry about growth. and those three signalling three economists were signalling we are not worried about we really are not worried about growth. we're only worried about getting inflation down. but look, the situation is this the way the bank of england, what it's done today sort of meshes into politics. it's clear that the economy, while resilient, is going through a tough patch. but as interest rates come down and i personally think the first move down will be in either april or may, rather than, uh, on on current evidence, as interest rates come down, as inflation comes down, there should be a feel good factor.

consumers with mortgages should feel a little bit of easing. firms with big debts should feel a little bit of easing . they may a little bit of easing. they may take on more debts and invest some more. the economy should get as inflation falls get moving as inflation falls and rates come down. and interest rates come down. that months that will take months and months and the longer the and months. but the longer the tories can wait, long as tories can wait, as long as rishi sunak doesn't get blown up by own backbench mps some by his own backbench mps in some kind of confidence vote about immigration something else. immigration or something else. if he can hang there , i think if he can hang in there, i think they're play the long they're going to play the long game an election in, game and go for an election in, in, in the autumn or even, you know , sort of december next year know, sort of december next year or something that. because or something like that. because on evidence , tom and on current evidence, tom and emily, will emily, the economy will gradually pull out of the current situation that it's in. the feel good factor will gradually take hold, at least if you're a tory. fingers and toes crossed that that will happen. >> and yet, liam, of course, you've worked as a as a economic and political reporter as well. back in 1997, the tories went into that election with growth

at 4, with inflation at decades long lows , the economy was going long lows, the economy was going gangbusters and they lost by a huge degree. >> anyway, tom, you keep telling me things that happen. but when you were a sort of foetus or you weren't even born, it's quite it's quite incredible . you it's quite incredible. you should have out more as should have got out more as a toddler stage rather than reading my copy in financial reading my copy in the financial times. no look, you're completely what happened completely right. what happened in 1997? there was a labour landslide. tony blair swept all before him . the tories were before him. the tories were reduced to 164 seats. a lot of people think they could be reduced to 120 or even 100 seats these days from currently , uh, these days from currently, uh, 350 or so. that is that was tony blair's inherit science, the legacy of the conservatives was to leave new labour. tony blair and gordon brown with an economy that was recovering a an economy where a lot of the tough stuff in terms of fiscal consolidation and getting the public finances back in order, had been done. a

new labour and the country as a whole were able to benefit from that. but certainly wasn't that. but it certainly wasn't the tories who took the credit. look, think we're in a look, i think we're in a different position. i'm not saying lose saying the tories may not lose to extent that to the same extent that john major's did 1997. i'm major's tories did in 1997. i'm not saying that at all that could happen, but i do think there differences. don't there are differences. i don't think as much think starmer is has as much electoral appeal as blair did back in the day. so i don't think the tories are going to go to quite kind of low depths that they did after 1997. and also i would say, and i say this with regret, the public finances are in much, much worse shape now than they were in the mid to late 1990s. national debt is far, far higher. the national debt was 30 odd percent of gdp at the turn of this century. it's now 100% of gdp, bar the shouting and on many estimates in the medium terms. certainly it's s trending upward. so i think whoever comes to in office

after the next general election, there will not be a lot of money to spend . and that's why i think to spend. and that's why i think politics is going to continue to get more combative. there's going to be kind of less, uh, light , but, going to be kind of less, uh, light, but, uh, a lot more noise and venom, if you like, in politics, because the public finances for the foreseeable future will be tight. well that's, uh, dampened my, uh, my christmas spirit a tad. >> uh, the debt that we've accrued. but thank you very much. liam halligan with on the money now, in just one moment, we'll be speaking to the former head of the british army , as he head of the british army, as he calls on the government to scrap its rwanda we'll why calls on the government to scrap itfirst, nda we'll why calls on the government to scrap itfirst, nda headlinesve'll why calls on the government to scrap itfirst, nda headlines with why . first, the headlines with sophia . sophia. >> thank you. emily, it's 231. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . it's sixth day in the newsroom. it's sixth day in the search for a missing woman who was last seen in norwich city centre. gaynor lord was last spotted on cctv cameras on

friday afternoon. norfolk constabulary says it's likely the 55 year old may have entered the 55 year old may have entered the water and underwater search teams have scoured the river. miss lord's belongings, including clothing and a mobile phone, were found in a park near her workplace . chief her workplace. chief superintendent dave buckley , superintendent dave buckley, from norfolk constabulary, says the focus is on the river, so there's a number of lines of inquiry that we are pursuing, but everything that we know is pointing to a high probability that went into the water that gaynor went into the water and that that would be from the cctv, from the very limited witnesses that we've got available to us at the moment. >> other lines of inquiry >> and other lines of inquiry that we're pursuing about gaynor's in the lead gaynor's behaviour in the lead up to her disappearance. so at the the river is a the moment, the river is a really factor for us now. the moment, the river is a realnot factor for us now. the moment, the river is a realnot to factor for us now. the moment, the river is a realnot to sayor for us now. the moment, the river is a realnot to say that' us now. the moment, the river is a realnot to say that other)w. it's not to say that other specialist police teams aren't working on other lines of inquiry because are, but at inquiry because they are, but at the that the moment you're seeing that intensive around the intensive effort around the searching of the water and the parks of the parks around and some of the other land around this area. >> two nurses from blackpool are facing prison sentences after

they were found guilty for sedating patients. 54 year old kathryn hudson has been given seven years and two months for drugging patients during work shifts at blackpool victoria hosphal shifts at blackpool victoria hospital. the incidents occurred between 2017 and 2018. her 48 year old colleague charlotte wilmot, was found guilty of encouraging hudson to drug a patient and sentenced to three years. the funeral for the former minister, baroness kinnock is taking place. the family of the mep and wife of ex—labour leader lord kinnock, says she was a proud democratic socialist who campaigned for justice and against poverty. she was diagnosed with alzheimer's in 2017. sir keir starmer described her as a true fighter for the labour party. he was seen arriving at the funeral earlier , followed by gordon earlier, followed by gordon brown, tony blair and sadiq khan and you can get more on all those stories by visiting our website at gb news.com .

website at gb news.com. >> now the former head of the british army has joined gary lineker and the actor brian cox among the celebrities and high profile public figures who decided to sign a letter calling for the uk government to scrap its rwanda scheme. >> yes, lord richard dannatt said that the government's dogged pursuit of the unpopular plan to send people seeking protection to rwanda is astonishing , and described a astonishing, and described a failure to fully support afghans fleeing the taliban as shameful. >> hmm'hmm. >> hmm'hmm. >> well, we're delighted to say that lord richard dannatt is with us now and i suppose there's one big question that sits across all of this, as we're seeing . how hard it is for we're seeing. how hard it is for the government to stop the boats and even to deport people who are here, who are here illegally without a third country to send people to . so how does it people to. so how does it control british borders ? well

control british borders? well there's a whole range of ways that they can control the border. >> if they put their mind to it. >> if they put their mind to it. >> and the focus on rwanda is totally distorting the whole debate. >> um , look at rwanda as a >> um, look at rwanda as a country on its own . country on its own. >> um, it's a country that's had a president who has been there for many years. some could call it a dictatorship. it's a country that is still in the aftermath of the terrible genocide of the 1990s. >> um , it's a country that i've visited. >> it's not a country i would wish to spend much more time in. >> i have a number of rwandan friends, and they are appalled at prospect this. now, if friends, and they are appalled at government this. now, if friends, and they are appalled at government really. now, if friends, and they are appalled at government really wants if friends, and they are appalled at government really wants to the government really wants to crack down on the migration, illegal migration and stop the boats , there's a whole raft of boats, there's a whole raft of things it could be doing. and not just focusing on this. um abjectly awful policy of focusing on on rwanda. >> um, there's a much wider number of , >> um, there's a much wider number of, uh, initiatives >> um, there's a much wider number of , uh, initiatives that

number of, uh, initiatives that could be followed . could be followed. >> lord dannatt, do you agree with the government that those crossing by small boats are illegal immigrants ? illegal immigrants? >> yes they are. i mean, there are many ways that you can come to this country legally and crossing in a small boat is an illegal way of doing it. um now we're talking about the boats. i think we should be having a much more robust conversation with the french . the french could be the french. the french could be doing much more to stop the boats taking to the water in the first place. they could be patrolling their beaches. they could be patrolling their shoreline far more and turning boats back and stop boats getting into the water. um, furthermore, our own government should be increasing massively the resources that it puts into processing , uh, asylum processing, uh, asylum applications , making much applications, making much swifter decisions on who should stay and who should not stay . stay and who should not stay. it's not to say that all immigration is bad. of course it's not. we know that there are many gaps in our own labour market, but deciding more

quickly should be and quickly who should be here and who be here, and who should not be here, and closing down the illegal routes , closing down the illegal routes, cracking down on the people smuggling gangs. this is where our government, with our european friends, should be really bearing down on and not on this frankly unpleasant and highly dubious policy of sending what will be just a small number of people to rwanda should we not take into account the words of the supreme court, which found, of course, that the policy was unlawful? >> but in the detail of that decision , they didn't say it was decision, they didn't say it was unlawful because paul kagame has beenin unlawful because paul kagame has been in power for 20 years. they didn't say it was unlawful because 30 years ago there was an awful genocide in the country. they said it was unlawful on the grounds of one specific issue, which was rife ailment refoulement. however, we want to pronounce it, the idea that people might be then deported from rwanda to the country, from which they fled in the first place. the new treaty the first place. the new treaty the government has signed with

rwanda makes that illegal. well, uh, is that not addressing the supreme court's concern is and therefore, does it not to some extent address yours ? extent address yours? >> uh, to an extent it does. i mean, when you've got obstacles in your way, you've got to problems to be solved. the government has has found a way to try and get around the issue of starting their rwanda policy. um, i put it back in the wider context and asked the question, is this really the best the government can do to set up a deportation scheme to a country like rwanda ? go back to what like rwanda? go back to what i was saying a few minutes ago . was saying a few minutes ago. are there not many more ways that effort and money and resources could be put into to more legally stop the illegal migration into this country ? migration into this country? >> lord dannatt do you accept that we need a form of deterrent 7 that we need a form of deterrent ? you say rwanda is not the country . would there be another country. would there be another country. would there be another country potentially that might ,

country potentially that might, uh, suit you more ? your with uh, suit you more? your with your arguments ? your arguments? >> well, just think about a robust conversation with the french government. if on one day we returned to france, all those who had come across in small boats, that would ruin the business plan of the traffic smugglers at a stroke. um, why don't we consider that much , um, don't we consider that much, um, much less controversial than taking people reluctantly to a country in africa and leaving them there to the french? >> the french say they won't sign with us. doesn't that sound a bit like wishful thinking? i was over at the elysee palace in february with the prime minister um, when he had the british french uh, conference, the first one in several years, they signed agreements on beach patrols , signed agreements on patrols, signed agreements on a new centre being built with british money in northern france. but the one thing the french would not agree to was a returns agreement. um well, in which case that's something that we should continue talking to our french friends about. >> um, why should we just

blithely accept those who have been allowed to come across the channel been allowed to come across the channel, go back to something i was saying before? why are the french not being more vigorous in patrolling the dunes leading up to the beaches? the beaches themselves patrolling their own water? um, frankly , there is water? um, frankly, there is a view that actually it's quite convenient to the french to offload all these people on their beaches coming to, to this country. so a more robust conversation with the french would be one of the things that certainly i would be pressing much more hard that we should be doing rwanda issue is going doing the rwanda issue is going to small scale issue. it's to be a small scale issue. it's supposed to be a deterrent. i'm not sure how much of a deterrent it will be, and it's , um, it's it will be, and it's, um, it's completely muddling the whole issue, which is a really important issue of controlling total migration into this country. >> yeah . i mean, it would be it >> yeah. i mean, it would be it would be ideal if we had an agreement in place with the french, but it doesn't seem like any of our governments are attempts have have borne fruit yet. but thank you very much

indeed for your time, lord richard dannatt, who has co—signed , signed letter co—signed, signed this letter to the asking them to the government asking them to ditch the rwanda plan altogether. >> what if we promised to just buy loads of cheese ? buy loads of cheese? >> it's not going to happen, is it? what if we promised to wear berets? i mean, we've sent hundreds of millions to have onions round our necks and change national dress to change our national dress to stripey white shirts? >> mean, would that. >> i mean, would that. >> i mean, would that. >> that's not pc >> tom, that's not very pc to make such stereotypes of the french anyway , coming up, french. but anyway, coming up, let us know what you think about that. would you have signed that letter to the government saying scrap the rwanda plan altogether? it is coming up against but against many an obstacle, but southwest airlines this is southwest airlines get this is to grant plus sized passengers extra seats for free. do we as a society award obesity reward obesity ? we'll be posing that obesity? we'll be posing that question to our panel after the

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news . news. >> so what's the state of the economy? the bank of england has decided to hold that interest rate at 5.25, but i'm joined by the economist justin urquhart stewart and novara media's contributing editor michael walker, to discuss this. justin you're an economist. tell us what this means for the state of the economy. are we going to be having a miserable christmas? >> you're going to have a slightly more optimistic view. >> in a bad >> the economy is still in a bad position. however, the very fact that the bank of england says, right, we're at the right, that's it. we're at the top with precisely that,

right, that's it. we're at the top they with precisely that, right, that's it. we're at the top they gfei precisely that, right, that's it. we're at the top they are in'ecisely that, right, that's it. we're at the top they are in a:isely that, right, that's it. we're at the top they are in a position that, right, that's it. we're at the top they are in a position where but they are in a position where they haven't put it up any further. but this actually goes against actually the whole idea of rates going of having interest rates going up. that to slow down, up. you do that to slow down, particularly say, consumer particularly, say, consumer spending, rather hot. spending, which is rather hot. well, on a second. excuse well, hang on a second. excuse me. spend is being incredibly weak. this whole idea of putting me. spend is being incredibly weyinterestwhole idea of putting me. spend is being incredibly weyinterest rates. idea of putting me. spend is being incredibly weyinterest rates. well of putting me. spend is being incredibly weyinterest rates. well actuallyig up interest rates. well actually then actually bring down inflation. well, only when it gets into the into the pay levels, which it is now , because levels, which it is now, because you now understand why you would put rates up. but also this rush to putting rates so to actually putting rates up so quickly takes a year to 18 quickly, it takes a year to 18 months actually a real months to actually have a real effect of that. so in my view, i'm afraid they've had the wrong policy for all of this. as a phrase, nicked off liam, phrase, i nicked off liam, actually, with regard anybody phrase, i nicked off liam, ac'thely, with regard anybody phrase, i nicked off liam, ac'the moment,gard anybody phrase, i nicked off liam, ac'the moment, buti anybody phrase, i nicked off liam, ac'the moment, but it's anybody phrase, i nicked off liam, ac'the moment, but it's a|ybody phrase, i nicked off liam, ac'the moment, but it's a bitydy at the moment, but it's a bit like man who owns a hammer. like a man who owns a hammer. everything looks like a nail. yeah. so far as the bank is yeah. so as far as the bank is concerned, inflation are well put up. but one put interest rates up. but one of problems that's not there of the problems that's not there are other tools they could use. so unfortunately well did so unfortunately our well we did we try some other tools from we did try some other tools from for a time for 49 days. >> we had a different prime

minister who tried use the minister who tried to use the tool supply side tool of boosting the supply side of economy. yeah. which is of the economy. yeah. which is another way in which you can bnng another way in which you can bring inflation. obviously, another way in which you can brinwasn't inflation. obviously, another way in which you can brinwasn't given ion. obviously, another way in which you can brinwasn't given muchbviously, another way in which you can brinwasn't given much of ously, she wasn't given much of a chance to do so, but might that have been a better path? well if it had been actually carried out in the right way, possibly. >> we all want growth, but you've bring you've got to do is bring out a credible which people credible policy which people will believe and probably checked make checked by the checkers to make sure and then you'll checked by the checkers to make sure some and then you'll checked by the checkers to make sure some credibility. 1en you'll checked by the checkers to make sure some credibility. the/ou'll checked by the checkers to make suresome credibility. the damage get some credibility. the damage of so in terms of that wasn't so much in terms of that wasn't so much in terms of it was our of inflation. it was our international yeah international reputation. yeah what's this country doing? >> michael , uh, now , what's this country doing? >> michael, uh, now , i >> i mean, michael, uh, now, i don't imagine that you're a fan of , uh, liz truss, don't imagine that you're a fan of, uh, liz truss, but i was thinking with tom earlier in the show, i was thinking, you know, the government, they're 20 points behind labour in an election. too far off. why election. isn't too far off. why don't just throw the don't they just throw the kitchen sink at economic growth and bold moves? i and just make some bold moves? i think they're a bit scared following what happened the following what happened with the liz well, i suppose what would >> well, i suppose what would those growth those moves for economic growth look seem like look like? it doesn't seem like they've coalition that can they've got a coalition that can let happen. think let that happen. and i think this actually this this links actually to this

discussion going to discussion of are we going to have christmas? have a terrible christmas? because really who because it really depends on who you are. so if you are a homeowner and you've paid off your mortgage, then the fact that rates are high that interest rates are high doesn't so the doesn't matter so much. the fact that are stagnant doesn't that wages are stagnant doesn't matter so much. there are also 140,000 in temporary 140,000 kids in temporary accommodation, those accommodation, so for those people, accommodation, so for those peope, accommodation, so for those peop think that's where this and i think that's where this liz truss issue comes in, because, also used because, i mean, she also used a very blunt instrument, was very blunt instrument, which was tax cuts, especially to businesses. bring businesses. and that will bring about productivity and regulation . well well, well regulation. well some well, well isuppose regulation. well some well, well i suppose although suppose regulation. well some well, well i su didn't although suppose regulation. well some well, well i su didn't haveough suppose regulation. well some well, well i su didn't have the] suppose regulation. well some well, well i su didn't have the time.)pose regulation. well some well, well i su didn't have the time. we ;e she didn't have the time. we didn't to see didn't have the time to see that. all favour of that. so i'm all in favour of sort of planning reform that sort of the planning reform that i think actually the labour party the vanguard party are now at the vanguard of. weren't able to of. the tories weren't able to do because they had too many do it because they had too many nimbys so nimbys on the backbenches. so so i'm properly i'm in favour of properly funding services while funding public services while going i wouldn't going for growth. so i wouldn't going for growth. so i wouldn't 9° 9° going for growth. so i wouldn't go go for go for tax cuts, i would go for deregulation very certain deregulation in very certain sectors economy and then sectors of the economy and then investment green industrial strategy. >> novara media here calling for deregulation only very deregulation only in very certain of the economy, certain sectors of the economy, created for growth here. >> you know, michael, i'm a i'm a left yimby. you're brushing off on him isn't one of the problems here that the

conservative party has on three occasions in the last 12, 13 years, tried to deliver planning reform. >> first, nick boles under the coalition, then , of course, you coalition, then, of course, you had the robert jenrick reforms that were beaten back by theresa may and that rebellion. and then even liz truss tried to do this enterprise zone deregulation, planning rules being, uh , planning rules being, uh, deregulated in those areas and on every occasion, this sort of coalition of groups came to, to shoot it down. so might might the labour party run into the same issue because there are plenty of people on the labour party backbenches who oppose developments for many different reasons, because the other ways of trying of actually doing this, trying to a national, uh, reform to create a national, uh, reform of planning, great. >> we love it. it >> we all love to do it. it ain't going to happen. you ain't going to happen. as you said, these different ain't going to happen. as you said, twhatiifferent ain't going to happen. as you said, twhat you�*ent ain't going to happen. as you said, twhat you do: ain't going to happen. as you said, twhat you do is make it attempts. what you do is make it locally, make it regionally . so locally, make it regionally. so actually push actually that you push that down, more, uh, down, you want to get more, uh, more planning operations successfully. give it to those local areas. they know their area . they know the right area. they know the right places. they want to try and develop, do it on a nationwide basis. it's incredibly

difficult. and the other issue then with tax cuts, this is where mr truss where i argue with mr truss about that, is that we can't afford cuts. want afford tax cuts. what you want to do is to source of new to do is go to the source of new businesses generated, businesses being generated, smaller . we set smaller businesses. we set up more companies, small businesses in country than france. and in this country than france. and germany put together. so we've got entrepreneurial spirit. got the entrepreneurial spirit. we got the funding we haven't got the funding necessarily, lot of necessarily, because a lot of that, if you create that, you know, if you create more incentives like more tax incentives like enterprise investment scheme doesn't government doesn't cost the government anything, it's more anything, but it's more incentive out incentive for people to go out and invest in businesses, even attract external investment coming britain. so again, coming into britain. so again, it's looking though they're it's looking as though they're still old toolbox, rather still in the old toolbox, rather than some imagination. >> we know jeremy hunt is >> and we know jeremy hunt is quite cautious by nature. i feel oh, apart from when he was running for tory party leader and promised to slash corporation tax in half. yes well, he was speaking to, uh , well, he was speaking to, uh, you know, the crowd , um, trying you know, the crowd, um, trying to speak their language , but to speak their language, but michael rachel reeves. sorry. what >> well, i was gonna say, i think this is where i think this is where an overly ideological approach doesn't actually help us that much. >> so, as i say, i think

deregulation to deregulation in some areas to stop the same stop the nimbys. but at the same time, do need a very time, you do need a very proactive state. used proactive state. so when we used to build of houses, it to build shedload of houses, it was built hundreds of was when we built hundreds of thousands of council homes a yeah thousands of council homes a year. obviously lots year. there are obviously lots of europe that of countries in europe that manage loads of houses manage to build loads of houses without council without loads of council homes, but tend do is have but what they tend to do is have the package up the land, the state package up the land, and very proactive and you've got a very proactive state work, state that's making it all work, instead we do in instead of what we seem to do in this country, which is just beg the house builders more the house builders to build more as house as a proportion of house building, had so building, we've never had so much as before. >> second world war, the >> the second world war, the penod had >> the second world war, the period had the most period where we had the most house building was entirely privately was in the privately driven and was in the 19305, privately driven and was in the 1930s, accounted for 1930s, and it accounted for almost growth at 1930s, and it accounted for alm start growth at 1930s, and it accounted for alm start of growth at 1930s, and it accounted for alm start of the growth at 1930s, and it accounted for alm start of the 1930s. rowth at 1930s, and it accounted for alm start of the 1930s. in/th at 1930s, and it accounted for alm start of the 1930s. in the it the start of the 1930s. in the uk. it's why so many houses, if you outskirts of any you go to the outskirts of any big you see loads of big city, you see loads of streets houses. it's streets of 1930s houses. it's when we had the most house building was all done building and it was all done privately and all pretty good quality have quality stuff. then you have attlee come who makes it to attlee come in. who makes it to illegal build anything? unless you're have to you're the state and you have to humbly petition your local politicians allowed to politicians to be allowed to build something that you build something on land that you own and after that point, it's

been never that high proportion . been never that high proportion. >> i think you've got a big problem, though, and i mean, it's unfortunate we can't put up the graph here. if look the graph here. but if you look at building was very, at when house building was very, very as you it was very high, so as you say, it was quite high the war as quite high before the war as well. after the war, very, well. but after the war, very, very high 50s 60s first half very high at 50s 60s first half of 70s then it craters. and of the 70s then it craters. and the craters is the big reason it craters is basically private sector building the same building stays at about the same level, 200,000 level, sort of 200,000 a year. but that was topped up but before that was topped up with council homes with 200,000 council homes a yeah of with 200,000 council homes a year. of exited the year. that sort of exited the scene. the idea from thatcher year. that sort of exited the scerthatie idea from thatcher year. that sort of exited the scerthat if idea from thatcher year. that sort of exited the scerthat if wea from thatcher year. that sort of exited the scerthat if we stopn thatcher year. that sort of exited the scerthat if we stop buildinger year. that sort of exited the scerthat if we stop building the was that if we stop building the council homes and private council homes and the private sector in the private sector will step in the private sector will step in the private sector you might sector didn't step in. you might say because were too many say, because there were too many regulations, we regulations, but i would say we probably have the worst of both worlds. probably have the worst of both worproperty wanted to >> property people wanted to build. it'sjust >> property people wanted to build. it's just governments have from so. build. it's just governments havel from so. build. it's just governments havel do from so. build. it's just governments havel do think from so. build. it's just governments havel do think that from so. build. it's just governments havel do think that there so. build. it's just governments havel do think that there is so. and i do think that there is this about council this odd thing about council housing uk has one of the housing the uk has one of the highest levels of council housing developed country housing of any developed country . the oecd, we're fourth housing of any developed country . the inecd, we're fourth housing of any developed country . the in termsa're fourth housing of any developed country . the in terms of! fourth housing of any developed country . the in terms of the|rth housing of any developed country . the in terms of the amount highest in terms of the amount of council housing we have . the of council housing we have. the problem the reason it feels problem and the reason it feels like we've got such a shortage of housing is there of council housing is there isn't market isn't enough market rate housing. people to housing. so more people need to

use council housing. use the council housing. >> is a question that >> this is a question that i have. justin is one of the problems in our country that our population spread population is isn't spread out very . so you have a high very evenly. so you have a high density of demand, a high rate of demand in certain areas, not least the south—east for example. >> yes. so it's actually quite difficult to get planning permission because so permission because there is so much housing and there's claims for what little green land is left. so let manchester there. manchester a good idea of manchester have a good idea of where they need to put their their planning and their planning regime. and same also newcastle, just also in newcastle, not just houses but infrastructure as well . you it all to well. if you leave it all to westminster, i'm afraid it doesn't right attention , doesn't get the right attention, it verve and it doesn't get the verve and excitement. people do that excitement. let people do that locally, but you magic up locally, but you can't magic up nhs hospitals or schools. >> no, but what you can do, though, is encourage more people to there to invest to actually be there to invest and build. >> and you can fund it through land uplift. land value uplift. >> you if you were able to, >> if you if you were able to, um, say, we're going to grant permission to this land, suddenly worth suddenly the land isn't worth tuppence suddenly tuppence ha'penny, it's suddenly worth which you worth loads of money, which you can then take some of the money and that. and put that into

and fund that. and put that into infrastructure. but we don't have so. currently >> but the good news is we've currently >> but tfargood news is we've currently >> but tfar betteriews is we've currently >> but tfar better technologye got now far better technology than ever before. so it doesn't matter are . you matter really where you are. you look the technology look at all the technology businesses, most of them aren't in the south east. they're spread all over the place. >> i mean, take maidenhead for example. >> i mean, take maidenhead for exampl> really haven't built >> they really haven't built that much. >> i think also got to >> i think you've also got to build houses people want build houses where people want to houses, to live, not build the houses, and move and then persuade them to move there also. >> and we've actually >> and we've seen actually around as well, around in west london as well, property built up. and property is being built up. and then being by then actually being bought by actually indonesians actually found the indonesians and singaporeans. >> it's been such a fascinating conversation. we haven't even got to on campus culture. we haven't to airline haven't got on to airline charging. they charging. well, should they charge overweight more? charge overweight people more? we've to the of the we've run to the end of the programme, but thank you both. justin for joining justin and michael forjoining us. been good afternoon us. this has been good afternoon britain. tomorrow . britain. see you tomorrow. >> a brighter outlook with boxt

solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. another dull and damp afternoon for the south—east of england. brighter skies elsewhere but with blustery showers towards the northwest. we've got a weak weather front moving through that's bringing a lot of low cloud and some outbreaks of mostly light rain and drizzle and settle upon east and that will settle upon east anglia the southeast for the anglia and the southeast for the afternoon . so largely cloudy . afternoon. so largely cloudy. some outbreaks of rain here elsewhere brightening skies after a grey start. some sunny spells coming through. but for the north and west of scotland and for parts of northern ireland, it will be windy with showers moving in. now where we've got the sunny spells in the west, temperatures reaching the west, temperatures reaching the double figures but it will feel on the chilly side towards the south—east, where we keep the south—east, where we keep the cloud lingers the low cloud and that lingers for into the evening. for a time into the evening. later it does clear and there later on it does clear and there

will be some mist and fog forming and forming across southern and eastern parts of england. south wales touch of frost in places here as well, with lighter winds, but with more of a wind further north and thicker cloud moving in. i think it will largely be frost and fog free to begin things on friday. a bright start for many, but it's increasingly cloudy across northern ireland. much of scotland and some high cloud moving in across england and wales as well. so not entirely sunny. the best of the bright weather this time will be in the south—east, increasingly wet and windy towards the north—west. looks like things are heating up boxt boilers spotty hours of weather on .

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