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additional higher tax band for higher earners. additional higher tax band for higher earners . what do you make higher earners. what do you make to that one as well? good idea or not? should we perhaps follow suit and address targets within organisations? essentially opportunities basically for companies to discriminate against white men . yes, we are against white men. yes, we are going to have some robust debate on all of that. but before we get stuck in, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's latest headlines . tonight's latest headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. let's begin this bulletin with some breaking news that we're getting from south wales police. a body has been found following an explosion on an industrial estate in south wales. searches were carried out yesterday and today . today at yesterday and today. today at the site, after one person was unaccounted for. formal identification hasn't taken place. officers are, though, supporting the family of a

person who had been reported missing. police saying there were no other reports of any serious injuries and the force now adding they will begin investigating the cause of that fire and indeed the explosion . fire and indeed the explosion. on now, police are saying there are some indications of why a woman in norwich may have left her work earlier than usual on the day she went missing . gaynor the day she went missing. gaynor lord was last spotted on cctv cameras on friday afternoon. nonh cameras on friday afternoon. north suffolk constabulary say it's likely the 55 year old has entered the water and they've got underwater search teams continuing to scour a body of nearby water. the force saying specialist divers, though, are working in extraordinarily difficult conditions and they will take a couple of days or longer to complete that search. so there's a number of lines of inquiry that we are pursuing. >> but everything that we know is pointing to a high probability that gaynor went into the water, and that that would be from the cctv, from the

very limited witnesses that we've got available to us at the moment. another lines of inquiry that pursuing about that we're pursuing about gaynor's behaviour the lead gaynor's behaviour in the lead up her disappearance. so at up to her disappearance. so at the moment is a really the moment the river is a really key factor for it's not key factor for us now. it's not to say that other specialist police teams aren't working on other lines of inquiry, because police teams aren't working on othe|are,3s of inquiry, because police teams aren't working on othe|are,3s ofatiquiry, because police teams aren't working on othe|are,3s of at the y, because police teams aren't working on othe|are,3s of at the moment;e they are, but at the moment you're intensive you're seeing that intensive effort the searching effort around the searching of the parks around the water and the parks around and of the other land and some of the other land around area and greater around this area and greater manchester police have confirmed a sighting missing a possible sighting of a missing british boy who is believed to have disappeared six years ago in france . in france. >> the police said there had been a sighting of alex batty near toulouse yesterday. now a teenager , the boy was just 11 teenager, the boy was just 11 years old when he went missing in 2017 as he left for a uk. left the uk rather for a holiday in spain, greater manchester police saying it is now in touch with the french authorities and they're putting safeguarding measures in place now , as you've measures in place now, as you've been hearing today, the bank of england has held the interest

rate at 5.25% for the third time in a row, amid signs of potential economic challenges. it comes as the monetary policy committee previously raised the interest rate 14 consecutive times until it reached its 15 year high. of the current rate 5.25 at parliament's treasury committee meeting last month, the bank's governor said the threat of uk inflation is being underestimated . but the prime underestimated. but the prime minister said progress has been made. i've made a bunch of decisions making sure that we don't borrow too much money, making sure that we're responsible with the public finances can get finances so that we can get inflation down. >> it doesn't happen by accident. and, you know, they contrast clear. you've contrast is quite clear. you've got labor party saying they got the labor party saying they want borrow billion want to borrow £28 billion a year on this green spending spree. that's going to do is spree. all that's going to do is push up people's taxes, push up mortgage . we get mortgage rates. we want to get them down. and that's why in january we're starting to cut people's well. that people's taxes as well. that will help put more money in people's at people's pockets, starting at the beginning of january. so look, are making

look, i think we are making progress. there's more to do. but the economy has certainly turned but the economy has certainly turrrishi sunak speaking there. >> rishi sunak speaking there. but business and but the shadow business and trade jonathan trade secretary jonathan reynolds, said the government shouldn't taking for shouldn't be taking credit for halving inflation. >> inflation target for the united kingdom is 2% inflation coming down is really to do with some of those global pressures changing supply chains, adjusting to what we've seen. i think people will look at it and say, well, when inflation rose so significantly, government so significantly, the government said with us. it's said nothing to do with us. it's the war in ukraine. it's these global pressures. when those global pressures. and when those recede, want the credit for recede, they want the credit for it don't think it coming down. i don't think the people will be the british people will be convinced of that case. jonathan reynolds. >> now, two nurses from blackpool in lancashire are both facing prison sentences after they were found guilty of illegally sedating their patients . 54 year old kathryn patients. 54 year old kathryn hudson has been given seven years and two months for drugging patients at blackpool's victoria hospital between 2017 and 2018. her 48 year old colleague charlotte willmott , colleague charlotte willmott, was found guilty of encouraging

hudson to drug a patient and she was sentenced to three years behind bars . a second probe into behind bars. a second probe into south wales police has been launched by a watchdog following a road collision in cardiff. 16 year old kyrees sullivan and 15 year old kyrees sullivan and 15 year old kyrees sullivan and 15 year old harvey evans died after the bike they were riding crashed in ely in may. the new investigation is focussed on complaints made by the boy's families , and it's separate from families, and it's separate from another investigation into the interactions of police officers with the teenagers before their deaths . the father, stepmother deaths. the father, stepmother and uncle of ten year old sarah sharif have pleaded not guilty to her murder. the ten year old's body was discovered at her home in surrey in august, old's body was discovered at her home in surrey in august , the home in surrey in august, the day before she was discovered. the three defendants left the uk for pakistan with five other children before returning a month later. the trial of all three will be in september next year. three will be in september next year . and the funeral for former

year. and the funeral for former minister baroness kinnock has taken place . the family of the taken place. the family of the mep and wife of ex—labour leader lord kinnock , say she was a lord kinnock, say she was a proud democrat socialist who campaigned for justice and against poverty all her life . against poverty all her life. she was diagnosed with alzheimer's disease in 2017. sir keir starmer described her as a true fighter for the labour party . he was true fighter for the labour party. he was seen true fighter for the labour party . he was seen arriving at party. he was seen arriving at her funeral earlier, followed by gordon brown , tony blair and gordon brown, tony blair and sadiq khan . that's the news on sadiq khan. that's the news on gb news across the uk on tv , in gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> thanks for that polyamorous jubilee and i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside me, i've got the professor of politics and international relations at the university of kent , matt university of kent, matt goodwin, and the co—founder of nvidia and novara aaron

nvidia and novara media, aaron bastani . good evening, bastani. good evening, gentlemen, to both of you . and gentlemen, to both of you. and you know the drill, don't you, on this programme, it's not just about it is about you about austria. it is about you guys home. what on your guys at home. what is on your mind tonight? i've got a packed show. i want to get through a lot with you. i want to ask you our international our israel losing international support. biden support. that's what joe biden says. agree with that? says. do you agree with that? i also want to talk about whether or needs yet or not scotland needs yet another band, this time, uh, another tax band, this time, uh, affecting the higher earners there. get those there. we need to get those people pay money or not. people to pay more money or not. and this diversity stuff. and all of this diversity stuff. do it's to the do you reckon it's got to the point now where basically white men essentially getting men are essentially getting discriminated not? discriminated against or not? well, look into of well, let's look into all of that throughout programme. that throughout the programme. get as said, get in touch with me. as i said, all the ways . but for now, all the usual ways. but for now, let's politics, shall we? let's talk politics, shall we? because be familiar by because you might be familiar by now the fact that the now with the fact that the independent mp scott benton, he lost the tory whip, didn't he? i think he's now think back in april, he's now facing suspension from facing potential suspension from parliament. the standards committee have recommended a 35 day suspension . this, of course, day suspension. this, of course, is to do with that undercover. the meeting that he had

essentially where he was, you know , many would argue quite know, many would argue quite seriously breaching lobbying rules. i think i might have a clip of that. let me just see. i'll play you that . i'll play you that. >> he votes in the house of commons 2 or 3 times a day. the minister has to pass you, and then you've got ten minutes while you walk around to the next boat to have his ear. there's written questions as well, where we can table things on the public record and get an instant response within five working days. and thirdly , we working days. and thirdly, we have to papers and have access to papers and information which pr well, it's not great, is it? >> obviously there was more where that came from. um, and i think i've got to say, i think it was quite disappointing for his area, uh, a part of blackpool. i think it was the first time that particular area had appointed a tory mp. the fellow appointed fellow was only appointed in 2019, didn't seem to be 2019, so he didn't seem to be wasting time it comes wasting much time when it comes to involved in antics to getting involved in antics like but anyway, if we do like that. but anyway, if we do indeed a by—election, it's indeed have a by—election, it's got me thinking we've had got me thinking now. we've had quite by elections since quite a few by elections since 2019. you think there should

2019. do you think there should be whereby if we be a mechanism whereby if we keep these elections, keep having these by elections, essentially a general election needs forced ? needs to be forced? >> i don't think that would be a great idea. i think by elections always, uh, come and go . and the always, uh, come and go. and the most recent ones for rishi sunak have been terrible. we've seen these historic swings at by elections that we haven't really these historic swings at by elect before at we haven't really these historic swings at by elect before in we haven't really these historic swings at by elect before in british an't really these historic swings at by elect before in british historylly these historic swings at by elect before in british history .y seen before in british history. i think what this is going to do is pile pressure on rishi sunak to election. i think to call that election. i think another bad performance is not going to go down very well at all. among conservative mps . all. among conservative mps. they're all very anxious. they've been me this they've been telling me this week they're very anxious about losing their seats. lot of losing their seats. a lot of those as in areas like those 2019, as in areas like this seat, are currently forecast to lose their seats next year. so i think, you know, the broader picture here, michelle is a prime minister. i think that's who's basically coming undone. um, today in the papers , rishi sunak's popularity papers, rishi sunak's popularity is now at the lowest point it's ever been . he's as unpopular now ever been. he's as unpopular now as boris johnson was in his final days . as boris johnson was in his final days. he's lost every

by—election really. that's happened under his premiership and there's still 20 points adrift of labour in the national polls. so this is basically the last thing rishi sunak needed . last thing rishi sunak needed. and if anything, it's probably going to give us another heavy conservative defeat . conservative defeat. >> what do you make. so aaron. well i agree on the point with regards to by elections. >> i think as long as you've got a you can command a majority of confidence in the house, you should be able to form a government. and that's our system. um, everybody was saying, lose the saying, well, if they lose the rwanda probably rwanda vote, then we probably should election. should have a general election. i agreed with that. i would have agreed with that. however came through, he has however he came through, he has a parliament in a majority of parliament in terms of his major terms of one of his major flagship issues, which is, of course, i agree with course, rwanda. so i agree with what there. i what matt said there. what i would say well, though, is would say as well, though, is blackpool is one those parts blackpool is one of those parts of that really needs of the country that really needs top, people representing top, top people representing us. it does, and has, quite it does, and it has, quite frankly, in the shape of scott benton, as far as i benton, a charleton, as far as i can maybe somebody needs to can see. maybe somebody needs to make counterargument, make the counterargument, i don't that seems quite don't know, but that seems quite clear obviously not clear to me. obviously he's not

here and he here to defend himself, and he would say i'm not would absolutely say i'm not a shallow yes, i would argue that given we've and given given what we've seen and given that he probably that investigation, he probably isn't to public isn't that committed to public service. a great shame, service. and it's a great shame, um, of blackpool. um, for the people of blackpool. and you said, it's the and like you said, it's the first time i think they've picked to represent them picked a tory to represent them in constituency, in that particular constituency, if even in that particular constituency, if ever, very long if not ever, for a very long time. of course, that is time. and of course, that is thatis time. and of course, that is that is manna heaven for that is manna from heaven for the party because they the labour party because they can well, look, you chose can say, well, look, you chose not with us and look what not to go with us and look what happened. and look, i'm on the left. want see a one left. i don't want to see a one party state in any constituency, because taken because then people are taken for granted. it's a great, for granted. so it's a great, great and this why great shame. and this is why i support proportional representation. we need more than two in than simply two parties in politics and judy, politics of this punch and judy, between scott between the likes of scott benton on tory benches or benton on the tory benches or jared o'mara, of course, the disgraced labour mp was disgraced labour mp who was basically the house basically defrauding the house of of of commons in terms of apparently things he apparently doing things he wasn't could get wasn't doing so he could get more so we can do so more expenses. so we can do so much than people like mr much better than people like mr benton i actually do. benton and i do, i actually do. >> i used to spend a fair amount of time blackpool of time in blackpool as a teenage leave it to teenage girl. i'll leave it to the viewers imagination. what

used to go on there. it was a very night out. was very good night out. it was a very good night out. it was a very night out from the very good night out from the bits that can remember, i must bits that i can remember, i must confess. but i do. i feel confess. um, but i do. i feel quite sorry for those kind of areas, because for lot of areas, because for a lot of people, not all, but for a lot of people, it would have taken quite a perhaps a of a hold quite a perhaps a bit of a hold of the nerves to go tory, for the first time. yeah. and the first time. yeah. um and i think that are a lot of think that there are a lot of people there perhaps would have had. we? shan't we? had. or shall we? shan't we? reservations and the of reservations and all the rest of it. so when that happens it. so when that then happens to those people, it's really not acceptable. and it makes me feel when talk about the turnout acceptable. and it makes me feel wipolitics alk about the turnout acceptable. and it makes me feel wipolitics alk ehow the turnout acceptable. and it makes me feel wipolitics alk ehow the tlpeople acceptable. and it makes me feel wirpolitically ehow the tlpeople acceptable. and it makes me feel wirpolitically disengaged,)eople are politically disengaged, these kind of things, not only is it a shame for his constituents, much broadly constituents, but much broadly for uk politics. >> well, i agree with you. it's not just that got a bad mp, not just that they got a bad mp, it's also that didn't it's also that they didn't really that boris really get anything that boris johnson conservatives johnson and the conservatives promised election. promised at the last election. i am political am in a different political space but actually we space to arron, but actually we probably agree on this point that when you look at levelling up, know, revit's rising, up, you know, revit's rising, all those areas outside all of those areas outside of london it london and the big cities, it didn't happen. it wasn't

didn't really happen. it wasn't a serious sustained policy intervention . you look at intervention. you look at immigration, wanted less immigration, they wanted less immigration, they wanted less immigration in areas like blackpool. historic immigration in areas like blackofol. historic immigration in areas like blackof net historic immigration in areas like blackof net migration storic immigration in areas like blackof net migration of»ric immigration in areas like blackof net migration of the rates of net migration of the kind we've never seen before. they wanted brexit to be a big, bold, ambitious new experiment , bold, ambitious new experiment, a building a different economy , a building a different economy, one that works for areas like blackpool didn't really happen, uh, financial services once again prioritise london once again prioritise london once again put before everywhere else. so i think what we are going to see in areas like blackpool and on current polling, by the way, every red wall seat will go back to laboun wall seat will go back to labour. what we are going to labour. um, what we are going to see areas , there's a see in these areas, there's a lot of people basically saying we in 2019. it we took a punt in 2019. it didn't work out. we're going to go to labour, just get go back to labour, just get these out of number 10. we these guys out of number 10. we want somebody different and that is because is a real tragedy because i think , you know, where maybe think, you know, where maybe aaron would depart is, aaron and i would depart is, i think under a labour government to i don't think these areas are actually get much actually going to get much better tum. no better over the longer tum. no one has cracked this issue of regional inequality. no one said

no cracked the no one really has cracked the riddle of how to revitalise growth out of london and outside of the south east. so i'm i'm, you know, really sorry for the people of blackpool because i think they deserve so much better. >> yeah. and these kind of like seaside kind of places they did used to be absolutely thriving . used to be absolutely thriving. but a lot of them, they have just been kind of like just totally to and ruin. totally left to rack and ruin. i do i have great memories. the making me smile and blush simultaneously . but i have great simultaneously. but i have great memories of my teenage years in blackpool. i really do not. as blackpool. i really do not. as blackpool like skegness , blackpool places like skegness, bridlington, scarborough, whatever , all kind of whatever, all the kind of seaside places that now when you go there they're a little bit and i don't mean to offend any viewers there, but viewers that live there, but they're almost just become like a a dumping like a bit of a dumping ground, like you for the migrants, you say, for the migrants, because the cheap housing because of the cheap housing costs there, etc, and boarded up shops and neglected areas , do shops and neglected areas, do you think they would thrive better under labour? >> well, it's not just migrants , >> well, it's not just migrants, um, housing benefit, um, people on housing benefit, you basically you know, it's basically somewhere local somewhere now where local authorities parts of

authorities from other parts of the go go there because the country go go there because it's so cheap our response it's so cheap and our response to but blackpool, to that question but blackpool, i should say gorgeous beach , i should say gorgeous beach, beautiful victorian architecture. there's no reason why it shouldn't be a success story. a political failure story. it's a political failure thatis story. it's a political failure that is not inevitable. what's happening there on the labour that is not inevitable. what's happerlook,�*|ere on the labour that is not inevitable. what's happerlook, iere on the labour that is not inevitable. what's happerlook, i agree,the labour that is not inevitable. what's happerlook, i agree, placesour point? look, i agree, places like blackpool were completely taken granted by labour and taken for granted by labour and the sort of political class before brexit. and if it achieved nothing else, it made labour feel they have to now fight for every single vote in places they considered really , places they considered really, you know, they can take them for granted. will they change somewhere like blackpool? i think we need such a profound disruption in regards to how we run our economy, our society, our politics. i suspect we won't. will it be marginally better the last years? better than the last five years? look i think almost certainly given what's happened with inflation whatnot, they inflation and whatnot, they would to do a worse job would struggle to do a worse job than what we've seen really since 2019. although, to be fair , tories, partly for reasons , the tories, partly for reasons beyond their control, like ukraine and covid. >> um, are you in blackpool? um,

are you in the seats we're just discussing, um, where your mp has actually been accused of doing this. i'd love to know. how do you feel where you perhaps one of those, uh, first time tory voters did you lend your vote to the tories? and if so, how do feel when you see so, how do you feel when you see stories like this? get in touch gb at gb news. com is how gb views at gb news. com is how you hold want to you get hold of me. i want to talk to you after the break about israel. the situation will all familiar with, with about israel. the situation will all by�*niliar with, with about israel. the situation will all by now,' with, with about israel. the situation will all by now, joe h, with about israel. the situation will all by now, joe biden,nith about israel. the situation will all by now, joe biden, he's gaza. by now, joe biden, he's come out and said that israel is losing international support because their approach because of their approach when it comes to gaza. is he right? do agree with him or not? do you agree with him or not? tell why

happened. you're listening to gb news radio . news radio. >> hello there. michelle dewberry until 7:00 tonight alongside me, the professor of politics and international relations at the university of kent, matt goodwin, and the co—founder novara media, co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. we've just been talking the blackpool

talking about the blackpool south mp. of course, that's lost . the tory whip, matt said i live in blackpool and i do agree with your comments, michelle. the high street is a shadow of its former self, but it needs far more investment than it's getting. has us down getting. scott has let us down in blackpool south where live, in blackpool south where i live, margaret write margaret says don't write blackpool quickly. there blackpool off so quickly. there is going on. there's is so much going on. there's huge, um , hotel investment, she huge, um, hotel investment, she says. uh marco pierre white opening a restaurant in town, etc. that's good. i like the etc. so that's good. i like the fact that you think your town is on the up. that's what i want. but i just worry that perhaps other people, certainly people in politics, perhaps share in politics, perhaps don't share the those areas that the visions for those areas that i would say perhaps they should. anyway uh, biden, he anyway look, uh, joe biden, he has talking out about has been talking out about israel. uh, he's been suggesting that starting lose, uh, that it's starting to lose, uh, international support over its basic, uh, bombing campaign of gaza. i also noticed as well, the israeli ambassador to the uk , she was speaking out. let's just listen to what she had to say. >> i think it's about time for the world to realise the oslo

paradigm failed on the 7th of october, and we need to build a new one. and in to order build a new one. and in to order build a new one, a new one include the palestinian owns living in a state of their own. >> is that what it includes? >> is that what it includes? >> the biggest question is what type of palestinians are on the other side is what israel realises. they have a state. the answer is absolutely no. and i'll tell you why. well, because at the no . at the moment, no. >> well, rishi sunak, he was basically speaking out about the same issue. listen that a two state solution is the right outcome here. >> and more immediately , you >> and more immediately, you know, what that's going on is incredibly concerning . incredibly concerning. >> let me start out with you on this one, matt . um, let's kind this one, matt. um, let's kind of go to the top level about what joe biden was saying about israel losing international support. do you agree with that? >> sure, actually . i >> i'm not sure, actually. i think it depends firstly, on what you're talking what country you're talking about. who you're surveying. about. and who you're surveying. i look , my view on this is i look, my view on this is israel has every right to do what it needs to do in order to

secure its own safety , the secure its own safety, the safety of its citizens. and it needs to dismantle all the islamist terrorist organisation hamas. so that's a starting point. um, any discussion about two state solution as the future for, um, of gaza? so on has to come after that point. and the other thing, michel, is , you other thing, michel, is, you know, i'm struck , um, by the know, i'm struck, um, by the standard to which we hold israel because i don't recall in the aftermath of 9/11 or 7 over seven or the atrocities in paris in 2015, i don't recall us having the same discussion about international support for interventions led by the united states , or how we were dealing states, or how we were dealing with terrorists and so forth. but but when it comes to israel, they are constantly held up to this standard . we constantly this standard. we constantly talk about proportionality , uh, talk about proportionality, uh, in a way that we don't talk about it when it comes to other interventions and countries around, around the world. um,

what i am concerned about in the papers, by the way, today is how british jews feel. and they feel as the new polling has shown , as the new polling has shown, they feel less safe than they than they ever have in britain. they feel less confident in established media. their support for organisations like the bbc has declined sharply . um, and has declined sharply. um, and they feel, i think, understandably , flee as though understandably, flee as though very few people are actually on their side and defending them within this, within this , uh, within this, within this, uh, sort of public relations battle that we're all having over the conflict. so the starting point and the end point for me at least at this point, is, is israel has every right to do what it needs to do to dismantle hamas and to suck to give its own people security and safety. do you agree with that, aaron? >> no, no, not at all. i think if you look at the vote in the general assembly in terms of who supports the ceasefire and who doesn't, 153 countries voted for a ceasefire ten against, 23 abstained. obviously israel, the us voted they were us voted against. they were joined giants

joined by geopolitical giants such guatemala liberia . such as guatemala and liberia. um, we were joined by geopolitical giants in abstaining, like tonga and togo. so apart from us in germany and of course the us , there's no big of course the us, there's no big countries siding with israel at the un. now now, responding to what matt said about why are we treating israel differently , the treating israel differently, the point zionism is that israel point of zionism is that israel wants to be a normal country . wants to be a normal country. and if you're a normal country, you have to be clear about what your borders are. so where are israel's borders? and that goes back point what tzipi back to the point of what tzipi hotovely was about, do hotovely was saying about, do you a state solution or you want a two state solution or not? if israel has clearly delimited borders and there is a distinct palestinian state in the west bank or gaza, or even just the west bank or whatever, then i think we can talk about israel as a okay, it's a country responding to something as you would expect any other country to. that's makes it to. that's what makes it different. don't know different. we don't know what israel's and it's israel's borders are, and it's that which actually that ambiguity which actually gets the very heart of the of the problem. finally we look there are plenty of people in

there are plenty of people in the israeli government who actually want to basically expel 2.5 million gazans. not everyone , not netanyahu, but people in that government. and they want them go egypt. and the them to go to egypt. and the egyptians said that they egyptians have said that they would them europe . would just send them to europe. so are watching this so when people are watching this saying, this is saying, well, look, this is interesting, it's obviously bad. saying, well, look, this is irsympathise:'s obviously bad. saying, well, look, this is irsympathise:'s obisrael/ bad. saying, well, look, this is irsympathise:'s obisrael or ad. saying, well, look, this is irsympathise:'s obisrael or the i sympathise with israel or the gazans or both or whatever it also is of importance to europe because we're looking at potentially 2.5 million people because we're looking at potentieto' 2.5 million people because we're looking at potentieto europe llion people because we're looking at potentieto europe as»n people because we're looking at potentieto europe as refugees, coming to europe as refugees, maximum. that's not likely. but it's up to 2.5 million people. and if nothing else, our foreign policy in this country should be about do we minimise the about how do we minimise the number displaced people in number of displaced people in our near abroad coming into europe as refugees, because people in in europe and in the uk want more refugees and uk don't want more refugees and it's almost like our foreign policy how can we policy is about how can we create as many refugees as possible. um, and so i think common sense here really is a ceasefire, a two state solution. and i think tzipi xl bullies speaking, please. >> it's very easy, though, to say ceasefire two state solution, you know, full well,

firstly that a ceasefire, the one thing that do foremost one thing that will do foremost is hamas to regroup and to is allow hamas to regroup and to continue as a terrorist organisation. well so what do you do about the two state solution? >> what do with hamas? >> what do with hamas? >> how do we dismantle hamas? sure, that's the starting point. >> the starting point is israel needs to recognise that there is a strong case and an arguable case for two state solution. case for a two state solution. as long you have. and she's as long as you have. and she's a look, is a diplomat. this is look, she is a diplomat. this is not for a, you not some gunslinger for a, you know, an israeli newspaper. she's speaking she's a diplomat. she's speaking on the israeli on behalf of the israeli government. as long as you have people saying cannot government. as long as you have peop|a saying cannot government. as long as you have peop|a two saying cannot government. as long as you have peop|a two state aying cannot government. as long as you have peop|a two state solution, cannot government. as long as you have peop|a two state solution, lhisiol have a two state solution, this isn't going away. >> well, do want to live >> well, do you want to live next would you to next door? would you want to live literally door to live literally next door to a collection of people that are very intent on destroying your innocent civilians? >> want strong >> i would want strong international and recognised borders necessary. borders if necessary. militarised . point militarised borders. the point is, aren't borders. is, there aren't borders. we don't those palestinians don't know if those palestinians are or if they're not are in israel or if they're not in because israel won't in israel, because israel won't recognise a state of palestine. that be me, the that would for be me, the starting and you say starting point. and you can say we want demilitarised zone in we want a demilitarised zone in gaza, i think probably

gaza, that i think that probably makes sense. the west bank less so. have to accept the so. but you have to accept the necessity a two necessity of a two state solution, the fact that solution, and the fact that you've israeli you've got a senior israeli diplomat suggesting no. and look, the exact same look, biden said the exact same thing before. thing the night before. the problem with this particular government want government is they don't want a two solution. previous two state solution. previous administrations done. it's administrations have done. it's administrations have done. it's a major, major problem. you cannot solution this. cannot get a solution to this. you get a solution to this. >> without that, you can't get any solution until you completely dismantle the terrorist organisation called hamas . that's the starting hamas. that's the starting point. do you do? was the point. how do you do? was the atrocities committed on october 7th so we can have a discussion about a two state solution, but how destroy conversation how do you destroy conversation has come? well i'd say the has to come? well i'd say the idf said today hamas could can begin process by begin this process by surrendering the remaining fighters you fighters can surrender. um, you can then start to work towards some kind of organisation that is representative of palestinians that isn't committed to, um , the murder committed to, um, the murder and, um, genocide of jews. you can try and bring in other states in the region to try and ensure you know, a more

representative , uh, um, you representative, uh, um, you know, body that can oversee gaza . and, you know, we say these things like a two state solution. well, who's running the state? well, can i respond to who's running the state? because having and having a violent islamist terrorist organisation . uh, running that organisation. uh, running that state is not is simply not a proposition that israel would consider. i understand that, and that would be a very strong argument you didn't have in argument if you didn't have in the west bank the palestinian authority, recognises the authority, which recognises the state of israel running that part know, is would part of, you know, what is would be a palestinian state in the west that not run by hamas. >> and guess what? israel is still killing hundreds of people there so argument be there so that argument would be watertight were it for not israeli on west bank. israeli attacks on west bank. combine with tzipi combine that with what tzipi hotovely saying. combine that hotovely is saying. combine that with what joe saying. with what joe biden's saying. it's clear that it's quite clear to me that israel's stance means there cannot a solution here. cannot be a solution here. obviously, hamas planned for obviously, hamas has planned for october only israel's october seven not only israel's stance, course it's not. of stance, of course it's not. of course it's not. but what she is saying and that with saying and that position with regards the bank shows regards to the west bank shows that cannot a solution that there cannot be a solution that there cannot be a solution that solution. it's

that cannot be a solution. it's impossible . impossible. >> but do you think hamas want this two state solution to live peacefully, happily ever after alongside each other? well i'm sure some people in sure there are some people in hamas who do their leadership broadly. >> don't. and i think that's a really good point. but then which back west which brings us back to the west bank. they're by the bank. they're run by the palestinian the palestinian authority, the palestinian authority. for people watching they are people watching this. they are not recognised not hamas. they have recognised the israel since the the state of israel since the mid we the oslo mid 1990s. we had the oslo accords 92, 94. they said we accords in 92, 94. they said we recognise you in response. no more settlements here every single 30 single day for the last 30 years, there have new years, there have been new israeli in west israeli settlements in the west bank, people joe biden bank, and people like joe biden or the party or even the or the labour party or even the tories you have more tories say you can't have more settlements in the bank, settlements in the west bank, but go on and on and on and but they go on and on and on and on because it goes back to what joe saying for a big joe biden was saying for a big part israeli civil society part of israeli civil society and this very right wing government, want all government, they want them all out. do them out. out. they do want them all out. we honest about this. we have to be honest about this. there are awful, evil people in hamas. there are also in hamas. there are also people in the government want the israeli government who want to people. and to expel millions of people. and again, sensible, pragmatic people say, people in this country say, well, sad. our problem.

well, look sad. not our problem. it because will it is because they will eventually come to europe. >> i don't i don't think anybody in this isn't in britain is saying this isn't our i think a lot of our problem. i think a lot of people, thankfully, are very concerned has been, concerned about what has been, uh, uh atrocities uh, committed. uh the atrocities that committed against that have been committed against israel. i think if you look israel. and i think if you look at polling on, on, on this at the polling on, on, on this a lot people in britain have lot of people in britain have sympathy with israel's need to secure for its own . territory secure for its own. territory and provide security and safety for its own people. i have sympathy with it, and i think actually, no two state solution. yes, but but that, as i say, they're two separate conversations. all conversations. we can all say ceasefire. know a ceasefire ceasefire. we know a ceasefire won't resolve this issue, and we can a state can all say a two state solution. but we know that that comes after israel's response to october 7th. it was hamas that launched the attacks. it was hamas murdered in hamas that murdered and raped in the west bank and raped. this is about the conflict and about how we people the bank. we see people in the west bank. >> hamas in the west bank. >> it's not. you're turning this into a separate point. no, it's just killing people. >> and the reason i'd say the reason they're not the reason

this conflict has begun was because of the mass murder. >> um, rape and brutality committed by hamas against jews . committed by hamas against jews. >> so why kill people in the west bank? hamas aren't in the west bank? hamas aren't in the west bank. this was an attack from gaza by hamas. so why kill people? hundreds away people? hundreds of miles away in bank? in the west bank? >> one of . the beginning point >> one of. the beginning point to resolving the whole conflict. this whole issue firstly, is the removal of hamas. >> we want in the west bank, but a lot of them aren't even in gaza. >> a lot of the leaders of hamas are not even in gaza. >> quite. >> quite. >> but i mean, are we any further to getting the answer to the resolution to the situation? further to getting the answer to theyou>lution to the situation? further to getting the answer to theyou>lutiorthat:he situation? further to getting the answer to theyou )lutiorthat the ;ituation? further to getting the answer to theyou>lutiorthat the ukation? further to getting the answer to theyou>lutiorthat the uk was ? do you think that the uk was right abstain in, uh, from right to abstain in, uh, from the un? so what we was talking about, just about, aaron was just referencing general referencing the un general assembly. vote assembly. they had a vote basically about or not basically about whether or not essentially a ceasefire. essentially to have a ceasefire. the from do the uk abstained from that. do you they should have done? you think they should have done? i think so, yes. >> i think it's very to easy say, have a ceasefire say, let's have a ceasefire without thinking what say, let's have a ceasefire with actually ing what say, let's have a ceasefire with�*actually means, what that actually means, a ceasefire. look, nobody, nobody in or elsewhere is

in britain or elsewhere is condoning , in britain or elsewhere is condoning, um, and you're cheering on what is happening in gaza. everybody i think of sound mind thinks it's absolutely horrific. and the loss of life. um is beyond words . and what um is beyond words. and what we've seen coming out of gaza. but at the same time, it's very easy for people to say, let's have a ceasefire without thinking through the practical implications of that. the most important of which is you essentially allow the organisation which committed the atrocities on october 7th to regroup, and you make it less likely that israel will be able to secure its own, uh, its own territory and provide safety to its own people. so, you know, it's easy to, to throw these words around. it's less easy to think through the consequences and what that will entail for israel. >> what do you guys make to it at home? i mean , one thing is at home? i mean, one thing is for certain, it? uh for certain, isn't it? uh there's just more and more people getting killed every single most of whom of single day, most of whom are, of course, innocent people . what is course, innocent people. what is the answer to it, then? uh, do

you have one in mind? do you know what's what on earth would you one viewers here, you do? one of my viewers here, uh, brian. ian. sorry. cynthia says a two state solution is nonsense and absolute nonsense and an absolute non—starter . nonsense and an absolute non—starter. brian says we should support israel 100. keep your thoughts. uh, coming in on that one after the break. i want to talk to you about taxes. do you think that the higher earners should be made to pay even more income tax? that's an idea being floated in scotland. should we follow suit

radio. >> hi there. >> hi there. >> michelle dewberry with you till seven. mark goodwin and aaron bastani remain alongside me. there's really, uh , mixed me. there's really, uh, mixed opinions on the israel topic that we were just discussing . that we were just discussing. really, honestly, really mixed and mixed. some people say continue to support israel. come

what may. other people saying things like, if anyone says , uh, things like, if anyone says, uh, support israel, come what may, would they sit down with a mother who's just lost all of their children , who are all their children, who are all innocent, and explain why that was all about justified self defence? again, you really are divided on that one at home. should we talk tax? uh, over in scotland , they perhaps are scotland, they perhaps are planning to introduce a new tax band for high earners. this is because they reckon there's a black hole basically in scotland's finances. some have put a figure on it at about £500 million over in scotland they've already got a tax system that's more complicated than the one in england. they've got additional bands already, but as a principle, where are you on this? matt >> think it's the right >> i don't think it's the right move and don't think it's the move and i don't think it's the right for scotland. by the right move for scotland. by the way, the underlying story is, is basically, government basically, i think, a government that's run that's been struggling to run scotland and, and pay for public services , as we've seen over the services, as we've seen over the last week , a number of big last week, a number of big business organisations rightfully , in my view, come out

rightfully, in my view, come out and firstly , we the numbers and say firstly, we the numbers don't this . it's not don't add up on this. it's not going generate as much going to generate as much revenue as, as, uh , as the, um, revenue as, as, uh, as the, um, scottish first minister has claimed . and secondly, it's claimed. and secondly, it's going to encourage a lot of people to move south into england, where already were they living in england ? they'd be living in england? they'd be paying living in england? they'd be paying less tax. now, this is actually what we saw ahead of the 2019 general election, with a lot of people were getting ready for what they feared would be a jeremy corbyn government. we of, um, uh, high we saw a lot of, um, uh, high earners, a lot of more affluent individuals planning to essentially relocate their assets elsewhere or leave the country. so, no, i don't think this is a right move. uh, for scotland at all, do you, aaron, as a point of principle , i think as a point of principle, i think basically anybody earning less than £100,000 be than £100,000 shouldn't be paying than £100,000 shouldn't be paying income tax. paying more in income tax. >> think there are so many >> i think there are so many places collect more places you can collect more money. you know, capital money. um, you know, capital gains think higher. gains i think should be higher. you equalise it with you want to equalise it with wealth course, the wealth because of course, the very wealthiest people make money and

money through capital. um, and so i think, you know, taxing incomes is not necessarily the smartest thing to do. i actually think labour in the last election made big mistake election made a big mistake there. should have just election made a big mistake there look, should have just election made a big mistake there look, ifhould have just election made a big mistake there look, if you're1ave just election made a big mistake there look, if you're one just election made a big mistake there look, if you're on lesst said, look, if you're on less than 100 you won't be paying than 100 k, you won't be paying a penny more. i think somebody on k having to pay more. on say 75 k having to pay more. >> 100 k magic >> why is 100 k your magic figure an arbitrary number? figure just an arbitrary number? >> a lot of money, >> it's quite a lot of money, isn't it? realistically, um, i think on 75,000 having isn't it? realistically, um, i thipay on 75,000 having isn't it? realistically, um, i thipay more on 75,000 having isn't it? realistically, um, i thipay more income75,000 having isn't it? realistically, um, i thipay more income tax00 having isn't it? realistically, um, i thipay more income tax that aving to pay more income tax that person has probably seen their mortgage up. energy bills, mortgage go up. energy bills, food council tax. although food ad, council tax. although i should in the snp's defence, should say in the snp's defence, um, are doing this partly um, they are doing this partly because they want to freeze council tax. and of course in england tax went up last england council tax went up last year and in addition to that, of course scotland don't course in scotland they don't have university tuition fees. and paycheque you know and in my paycheque you know quite a lot goes out actually. and that and what's catastrophic with regards to this. and this is probably something maybe is probably something that maybe if bit older, if you're a little bit older, you're aware of post 2012 you're not aware of post 2012 student loans were rpi plus 3. of course, rpi last year was about 13. it's such a daft way of financing student loans. so people looking basically

people were looking at basically credit interest credit card debt style interest rates. of course, the government had cap about 7 or 8. had to cap it at about 7 or 8. so that isn't in scotland so so that isn't in scotland ehhen so so that isn't in scotland either. however on principle, i think raising income tax is not the smartest thing to do. they would respond well where else are going to get the money are we going to get the money from? you say capital gains. from? and you say capital gains. >> would. >> yeah, but they would. >> yeah, but they would. >> they can't. that >> i suppose they can't. that probably a competence. probably isn't a competence. they you let me they have, uh, you know, let me ask this. ask you this. >> everyone don't get >> and everyone don't get offended ask this offended when i ask this question home because you question at home because you are. michelle, are you are. michelle, what are you doing? you putting ideas doing? why are you putting ideas into heads? that's it. into people's heads? that's it. i'm never going to watch a programme a programme ever again, but a lot of people's primary residents have of have increased massively. and of course, gain there course, the capital gain there is tax free. should is completely tax free. should it be? >> it's such a hard one. i think again, in principle you think it should be. it's a home, i get that. but then sometimes the numbers are so astronomical and people are being hit in so many other places. as i see the argument for it. think we argument for it. i think we really need a big rethink on capital gains. if was me, i'd capital gains. if it was me, i'd reduce vat to about 15. i'd probably of a bunch of probably get rid of a bunch of

exemptions, food and i'd, exemptions, except food and i'd, yeah, capital gains. yeah, bring up capital gains. i know, know, would you know, you know, but would you apply primary residence? apply it to primary residence? >> question. >> that's my question. >> that's my question. >> i think. you at some of >> i think. you look at some of the sold in places the homes being sold in places like you think like london, and you think there's a strong argument there's a really strong argument for then you've got for it, and then you've got places like blackpool really struggling. it struggling. we talked about it earlier on. so that an earlier on. so that is an important redistribution earlier on. so that is an importtfrom distribution earlier on. so that is an importtfrom london:ion earlier on. so that is an importtfrom london tor earlier on. so that is an importtfrom london to parts of wealth from london to parts of the really need it. the country that really need it. but it's one of those i but again, it's one of those i can understand it's your home. i totally, totally it this totally, totally get it on this though. it's to finish. though. it's just to finish. i've a lot. it'sjust though. it's just to finish. i've a lot. it's just like i've said a lot. it's just like inheritance you know, the inheritance tax. you know, the very people, they very wealthiest people, they don't it. so the idea that, don't pay it. so the idea that, oh well tax the rich, it's oh well will tax the rich, it's a complicated a little bit more complicated than that's why i'd rather than that. that's why i'd rather increase gains. increase capital gains. >> there is just briefly on that. there interesting that. there is an interesting broader point here, which is which scotland is which is how scotland is governed. right. look governed. right. and if you look at you look at the at the polling, you look at the what's going to happen at the election year, which election next year, which i think see big labour think we'll see a big labour resurgence scotland. i think resurgence in scotland. i think the are clearly struggling. the snp are clearly struggling. i humza yousaf is, is, i think humza yousaf is, is, is clearly polls. i think humza yousaf is, is, is clea but polls. i think humza yousaf is, is, is clea but the polls. i think humza yousaf is, is, is clea but the proposition polls. i think humza yousaf is, is, is clea but the proposition thatls. but but the proposition that scotland can thrive and prosper

independent from the rest of the uk , i don't think is plausible uk, i don't think is plausible anymore. um, i firstly it just doesn't have enough money. it's too reliant on on on the rest of the uk for fiscal transfers. it doesn't have the growth, it doesn't have the growth, it doesn't have the dynamism . um, doesn't have the dynamism. um, it to be honest, it doesn't really have the leadership that it needs. um, and i think in this post—brexit era where you know, we've seen lots of voters, have you know, rightly or wrongly, concluded that, you know, whether you voted leave or remain, was remain, the process was prolonged difficult. think prolonged and difficult. i think this is just going to add to this is just going to add to this sense in scotland that the independence is just not really a serious, viable proposition , a serious, viable proposition, but a lot of supporters of independent scotland will say, well, actually, yes , we want to well, actually, yes, we want to be independent from the uk, but we want to be part of the eu again. yeah, but i mean , again. yeah, but i mean, firstly, you know, whether the eu is even going to allow that to happen given other tensions in, uh, you know, spain and

other parts of europe giving a green light to, to separatists, i don't think is in the eu's interest. i think secondly, um, there's, you know, that's a long process. so i think you've adjusting scotland, presumably to adopt euro and all the to adopt the euro and all the rest of it, i think is going to be a very difficult, um, situation. but fundamentally in terms is scotland situation. but fundamentally in teviable is scotland situation. but fundamentally in teviable economic is scotland situation. but fundamentally in teviable economic proposition d situation. but fundamentally in teviable economic proposition in a viable economic proposition in an independent scotland? i think this is another example of, of why it isn't actually snp why it isn't actually the snp have been struggling not just with tax , michel, but just to with tax, michel, but just to run schools , run the nhs. this run schools, run the nhs. this is run basic public services. if you compare the quality of pubuc you compare the quality of public services in places like scotland, wales versus england , scotland, wales versus england, you know people living there are having a very different, um, often worse experience than their counterparts in england. >> well, yeah, they've been struggling with a lot of stuff, not least define clearly what not least to define clearly what a is. but don't me a woman is. but don't get me started one. anyway. started on that one. anyway. what to linda what do you make to this? linda said, about creating said, talk about creating a brain drain. uh and completely relaxed thing. the amount of investment into the investment that goes into the country. you know what? i a

country. you know what? i have a little theory. don't think little theory. i don't think anyone able to anyone should be able to raise taxes without taxes any more without demonstrating that demonstrating to us already that the you've already the money that you've already got, are spending got, you are spending effectively efficiently , and effectively and efficiently, and you've of much waste you've got rid of as much waste as possible. then should as possible. only then should we should looking us should you be looking at us taxpayers help fund your taxpayers to help fund your coffers. you say to that coffers. what do you say to that anyway? let's talk discrimination the break. discrimination after the break. this for equality this whole drive for equality and and the rest this whole drive for equality anit. and the rest this whole drive for equality anit. do and the rest this whole drive for equality anit. do you and the rest this whole drive for equality anit. do you think the rest this whole drive for equality anit. do you think it's1e rest of it. do you think it's actually now reached the point where it's discriminating against the white man? you tell me

hi there, michelle dewberry excel centre aaron bastani matt goodwin remain alongside me, lindsey said. i'm absolutely against the tax raising in scotland. she lives in scotland. she's basically saying what? i pay a she's basically saying what? i pay a fortune in tax. what do i get? a broken nhs? we have to turn privately. she's saying that the government mismanages the funds that it's already got. so she's asking why on earth should she have to pay more ? uh,

should she have to pay more? uh, lots of lots of people are offended by my. it was just a message on stimulating debates asking the question about whether or not, um, capital gains should be applied to primary residents. i've got to say, most of you say no, and you say, most of you say no, and you say a few other things as well, and i can take don't worry. say a few other things as well, and let's] take don't worry. say a few other things as well, and let's let'se don't worry. say a few other things as well, and let's let's talk)on't worry. say a few other things as well, and let's let's talk aboutvorry. uh, let's let's talk about diversity next, shall we? because, aviva , are they because, uh, aviva, are they basically an insurance company, as you'll familiar now? as you'll be familiar with now? they're what say they're trying to what they say is out sexism from the is stamp out sexism from the financial services industry . financial services industry. they've appointed new ceo and they've appointed a new ceo and now what she's suggesting is for all senior hires that are non—white. she basically wants to be able to or non—diverse should i say she wants to be able to sign off, make sure able to sign them off, make sure no one's ringing mate no one's ringing up the mate saying, listen, i can no one's ringing up the mate sayiyou listen, i can no one's ringing up the mate sayiyou this listen, i can no one's ringing up the mate sayiyou this job listen, i can no one's ringing up the mate sayiyou this job and sten, i can no one's ringing up the mate sayiyou this job and all|, i can no one's ringing up the mate sayiyou this job and all the :an get you this job and all the rest of it. it sounds good on papen rest of it. it sounds good on paper, but do you worry, aaron, that this whole kind of equality, diversity, and equality, diversity, drive and all the of it is all the rest of it is essentially just going to mean that white men are going to be pushed of opportunities or pushed out of opportunities or miss them . miss out on them. >> i love the idea

>> yeah, well, i love the idea that, you know, or black that, you know, brown or black people or women aren't ever given call, say, you fancy people or women aren't ever givejob?:all, say, you fancy people or women aren't ever givejob? and say, you fancy people or women aren't ever givejob? and it's you fancy people or women aren't ever givejob? and it's not you fancy people or women aren't ever givejob? and it's not given ncy people or women aren't ever givejob? and it's not given out the job? and it's not given out that only ever happens to white men. um i find it strange for a few reasons. firstly, because she's by the she's the ceo, this only, by the way, about senior hires. so way, is about senior hires. so they have about 22,000 employees at aviva. she's not every at aviva. she's not doing every single ceo single applicant, but a ceo broadly on top of broadly should be on top of every senior person that every single senior person that joins the organisation. fact joins the organisation. the fact that on top white that she's only on top of white men joining, rather men joining, i find rather strange. however i went into this lady's biography little this lady's biography a little bit, blank , um, and bit, um, amanda blank, um, and she is from a comp. she's from wales. i was expecting, you know, very affluent. you know, she comes from well off she comes from a well off background. good her, you background. good on her, you know. exactly right. there's know. exactly right. so there's that because often these that to it because often these kinds initiatives, they're kinds of initiatives, if they're dnven kinds of initiatives, if they're driven by people from very affluent , privileged affluent, privileged backgrounds, thing they backgrounds, the one thing they don't talk about is don't want to talk about is economics class . however, economics and class. however, she from a working class economics and class. however, she in from a working class economics and class. however, she in wales. a working class economics and class. however, she in wales. a 1111 rking class economics and class. however, she in wales. a 1111 think class family in wales. so i think that's commendable . well, that's that's commendable. well, look, there are look, of course there are problems sexism problems with regards to sexism and au problems with regards to sexism and all manner of and racism in all manner of places, but you need to address those intelligent those through intelligent

systems . the idea that somebody systems. the idea that somebody is just asked whether or not you should hire somebody because they're white it's they're a white male, it's borderline illegal, by the way, because discriminate because you cannot discriminate unless equally unless you have two equally qualified , then you qualified candidates, then you can do it. you know, you can do quote unquote positive discrimination, you cannot discrimination, but you cannot say hiring say we are only hiring a non—white person. you cannot do that recruitment process. that in a recruitment process. >> well in a near me, >> so well in a museum near me, which won't name. but they which i won't name. but they were hiring and they said it was for this museum and they wanted, um, curator or whatever it um, a curator or whatever it was. and they said they want to recruit someone who get this identifies as black. yeah >> i don't know if that's. yeah. i don't know if that's legal. >> i don't mean to be funny, but, um, i'll leave it to your imagination. what? i thought about that anyway. matt. yeah? >> know i you >> do you know what i do? you know what think is know what i think is interesting, um, about aaron on this is even now a lot a growing number of people on the left this is even now a lot a growing numlrealised ople on the left this is even now a lot a growing numlrealised that on the left this is even now a lot a growing numlrealised that the :he left this is even now a lot a growing numlrealised that the identity have realised that the identity politics is, um, insanity that is being pushed by the cultural

left has just gone way too far. and what we're seeing here, this is a nice example of what's called woke capitalism , which is called woke capitalism, which is the way in which organisations and companies have embraced this di religion, diverse city equity, inclusion and have essentially rewired their organisations around this very divisive identity politics. and what's fascinating for me , what's fascinating for me, michel, is now people on the right and the left are coming together and saying, this is just bananas. it's gone way too far on the right. just bananas. it's gone way too far on the right . people far on the right. people struggle with it because they say , we just want the most say, we just want the most competent people in the top jobs, and we want the values of capitalism defended and capitalism to be defended and upheld. but now people on the left saying, we think this left are saying, we think this is basically being used to distract attention from class inequality , from economic inequality, from economic inequality, from economic inequality , from what's going inequality, from what's going wrong in the financial and economic system. so the bosses, as we saw, by the way, as well, with the natwest banking scandal and how nigel farage was treated, the bosses, i think ,

treated, the bosses, i think, are actually out of touch with where the country is on this issue, on both the left and the right. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> i think the biggest diversity that you need in organisations is diversity of thought. i think there's so many people that actually just have same actually just have the same thought process, and you can do what want it comes to what you want when it comes to skin who with skin colour and who sleeps with who whatever. if who and whatever. but if everyone thinks the exact same way, you're not going to way, then you're not going to get . you're just not. get diversity. you're just not. yeah, and actually what you get is of people being is a lot of people being discriminated against because they the same way as they don't think the same way as this. now organised collective say that you should. anyway. final words. >> yeah. mean, i'll >> yeah. i mean, look, i'll bnng >> yeah. i mean, look, i'll bring the labour party in on this of course this because of course the labour party to talk about labour party loves to talk about diversity and we have lots of brown and black and brown and black mps and candidates, do. but candidates, which they do. but the they tend to the point is, they tend not to be people who disagree with the leader. i that's leader. and like i say, that's key. say, look, we're key. you can't say, look, we're open diversity, but you have open to diversity, but you have to agree with us. you can't disagree because of course, that undermines of undermines the whole point of diversity, isn't just diversity, which isn't just a good h diversity, which isn't just a good it actually makes, good thing. it actually makes, let's organisation let's say, organisation stronger. this

stronger. i'll finish with this very quickly. michelle the i think the major point of privilege in this country is whether or not you live inside the m25 and people really, the m25 and people are really, really being left behind because of live, their of where they live, their economic background, and particularly of particularly their lack of proximity city, proximity to a major city, particularly london. this doesn't capture any of that. um and, you know, i think politics has begun to catch up post brexit. it's so important. i think finance and business needs to do the same. >> you see, i just think you can't be what you can't see. i never even knew that the city as it's called, was even a thing when i was growing up in hull. i wish that i did. have been wish that i did. i'd have been right in there with the men, right in there with all the men, and been smashing it as and i'd have been smashing it as and i'd have been smashing it as a trader. but all of these young kids that are growing up, if you don't that those don't know that those opportunities indeed opportunities are indeed available how available to you, then how do you go about trying to get you even go about trying to get yourself in there? one my yourself in there? one of my viewers, i've lost your viewers, i've just lost your name. which a real shame name. which is a real shame because and because you've made me laugh and i to have given you i would like to have given you credit. i think was pete, but credit. i think it was pete, but i might be wrong. you've just

said michelle, this country has gone van, a gone from white van, man to a white man. ban and i quite like what there. uh suella what you did there. uh suella says, i hope i've pronounced says, and i hope i've pronounced that was peter that right. yeah, it was peter that right. yeah, it was peter that said that. i like peter that said that. i like it. peter suella says michelle, please, can two guests? can you thank your two guests? they extremely polite they are extremely polite and they other clearly they debate each other clearly and articulately and respectfully. fantastic viewing, and articulately and resp says. .ly. fantastic viewing, and articulately and resp says. please:astic viewing, and articulately and resp says. please sayc viewing, and articulately and resp says. please sayc viewiyou she says. please say thank you from well, there you go. from me. well, there you go. thanks, did, uh. yeah. thanks, man. did, uh. yeah. thanks. thanks. goodwin. thanks. thanks. mrs. goodwin. uh, all uh, anyway, listen, that's all i've for. thank you, i've got time for. thank you, gents, your thank gents, for your debate. thank you at home. dirk you to you guys at home. dirk anywhere. and i'll see you tomorrow night. a brighter outlook solar, outlook with boxt solar, sponsors on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast . it's going the gb news forecast. it's going to be breezy. increasingly so across northern parts of the uk over the next 24 hours. patchy cloud carried in on that breeze, but but with lighter winds and clearer spells. further south, we're see a chilly we're going to see a chilly night . now we're going to see a chilly night. now high we're going to see a chilly night . now high pressure is night. now high pressure is building in from the south, but that's going to lead to that's not going to lead to entirely fine conditions across the uk we're going to

the uk because we're going to continue see a strong continue to see a strong westerly breeze. in fact, it's going increase over the next going to increase over the next few and during the early few days. and during the early hours of friday, will bring hours of friday, it will bring some of especially some areas of cloud, especially across of the uk. across northern parts of the uk. so the cloud and the breeze so with the cloud and the breeze increasing in the north, generally frost free further south, lighter winds and some clear will lead to a few clear spells will lead to a few fog patches by dawn and temperatures close to, if not a touch below freezing . so touch below freezing. so a chilly, but for many bright start across england and wales , start across england and wales, eastern scotland as well. however through the afternoon we're going to see the cloud thicken once again across northern and western parts of the country. spells of rain increasing as well over western hills . it stays bright towards hills. it stays bright towards the east and south—east of england . 8 or 9 celsius here, england. 8 or 9 celsius here, whilst despite the cloud further west, we'll see mild air carried through and that will continue into the start of the weekend. a very mild start to saturday. a lot of cloud though, and an increasingly strong wind. gales for northwestern scotland, heavy rain for the northwest highland and that's really going to mount

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gb news and a very good evening. >> it's 7:00. it's farage here on gb news. yes, the great man. he's back from the jungle. he'll be back hosting the show from monday. so this is my last show. we've loads and loads to get we've got loads and loads to get through. first of all, some new data the home office data from the home office showing . just 1% of the migrant showing. just 1% of the migrant arrivals in the last three years. years have been deported .

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