gb news and a very good evening. >> it's 7:00. it's farage here on gb news. yes, the great man. he's back from the jungle. he'll be back hosting the show from monday. so this is my last show. we've loads and loads to get we've got loads and loads to get through. first of all, some new data the home office data from the home office showing . just 1% of the migrant showing. just 1% of the migrant arrivals in the last three years. years have been deported .

years. years have been deported. the growing ambulance chaos we've got doctors strike another nhs, disastrous winter looms and also a huge row growing about keeping children safe online. all of that much, much more. it's a big show ahead . but first it's a big show ahead. but first of all, of course it's the news with polly middlehurst . with polly middlehurst. >> richard , thank you and good >> richard, thank you and good evening to you. well police are saying there are some indications why a woman in norwich may have left her work earlier than usual on the day she went missing . gaynor lord she went missing. gaynor lord was last spotted on cctv cameras on friday afternoon and norfolk constabulary say it is likely the 55 year old may have entered a body of water nearby . the a body of water nearby. the force is saying specialist divers are working in extraordinarily challenging environments as they search the nearby river and it will take a couple of days or longer to complete that search.

>> so there's a number of lines of inquiry that we are pursuing at the moment. everything that we know is pointing to a high probability that gaynor went into the water, and that would be from cctv, the very be from the cctv, from the very limited witnesses that we've got available to us at the moment and other lines of inquiry that we're pursuing about gaynor's behaviour in the lead her behaviour in the lead up to her disappearance. moment, disappearance. so at the moment, the a really key factor the river is a really key factor for us now. not to say that for us now. it's not to say that other specialist police teams aren't working lines of aren't working on other lines of inquiry, they are, but inquiry, because they are, but at seeing that at the moment you're seeing that intensive the intensive effort around the searching the water and the searching of the water and the parks and some of the parks around and some of the other land this area. other land around this area. >> meanwhile , a missing british >> meanwhile, a missing british boy believed to have boy who's believed to have disappeared six years ago has been in france, greater been found in france, greater manchester police say the boy , manchester police say the boy, spotted in toulouse yesterday morning , is now a teenager but morning, is now a teenager but was just 11 years old when he went missing after leaving the uk to go on holiday to spain. the force said. it's now in touch with the french authorities to put safeguarding measures in place . now as you've

measures in place. now as you've been hearing throughout today, the bank of england has held the interest rate at 5.25% for the third time in a row at parliament's treasury committee meeting last month, the bank's governor said the threat of uk inflation is being underestimated . the head of a underestimated. the head of a trade association finds says the findings against mp scott benton show the need for a form of the lobbying system in parliament. it comes as the committee on standards recommends ended, that scott benton be suspended for 35 days from the commons following a lobbying scandal. the blackpool south mp was secretly filmed by reporters from the times, offering to leak confidential information to gambling industry chiefs who had offered him between 2 and £4000 for just two days work. the mp forjust two days work. the mp says he didn't breach any rules as and today the funeral for the former minister, baroness kinnock , has been taking place.

kinnock, has been taking place. the family of the mep and wife of ex—labour leader lord kinnock says she was a proud democratic socialist who campaigned for justice and against poverty all her life . she had been diagnosed her life. she had been diagnosed with alzheimer's disease in 2017. sir keir starmer described her as a true fighter for the labour party. he was seen arriving at the ceremony earlier and he was joined by gordon brown, tony blair and sadiq khan . that's the news on gb news across the uk, on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play your smart speaker by saying play gb news this is britain's news channel . and. news channel. and. >> thank you polly and welcome to farage at gb news. it's just after 7:00. now first of all, a big thank you because this is a team effort. you may recall last night the story i exposed about the international student visa

abuse, breach of the regulations that came from one of your viewers who dug into the story and then let us know about it, came onto me. so if you've got any other scandals, abuses you think that need investigating, need looking at us by our presenters and our team, let us know that's how we can be a great team effort and hold people to account. now now first up talking of holding people to account. so some new data has come out of the home office. doesn't appear to happen very often . and when it does, it's often. and when it does, it's rarely good news. just listen to this. so we've had since 2020 across the english channel, some 111,000 people have crossed the channel. have a guess how many have actually been assessed, denied id and returned 5.7 4. keep going down, my friends . keep going down, my friends. just 1% in in three years. and here is a graph that i'll come

to in a second. but just 1% of people have been returned, of which . 0.7% have been returned which. 0.7% have been returned to albania. the prime minister's very proud of that. the fact that i broke the story last august, nothing to do with it, of course, but so that means just nought point four of 1% of non—album union migrant arrivals in the last three years have been returned from where they came. that doesn't seem to me like very strong performance, but the graph that hopefully will appear on the screen is a different graph. this is the acceptance rate. i hope you can see it over the last 20 years of asylum application , which shows asylum application, which shows extraordinary billy. back in 2004, the acceptance rate for asylum applications was less than 20. less than 1 in 5 2018 that had risen to . 33% last

that had risen to. 33% last yean that had risen to. 33% last year, 2022. right right up there, just under 80. about 76. so it's more than trebled in the last 20 years. so you might ask , last 20 years. so you might ask, what on earth is going on there? and that's what i'll be digging into with my first guest. but i've got to ask you folks, you at home, what do you think is going on? i mean, asylum seeker applications ins have trebled in 20 years. why why? who's to blame ? that is my audience blame? that is my audience question for you to dig into. you know, the email farage gbnews.com. or use the hashtag. so my first guest is richard bartram , senior immigration bartram, senior immigration solicitor , to discuss this . solicitor, to discuss this. richard, a very good evening. thanks for being with us. so i mean, this this data coming out of the home office, it's not great performance is it? let's

be honest, returning . just 1% of be honest, returning. just 1% of those who've arrived in the last three years is outside the albanians 0.4. it feels to me that the home office is not really doing the job that we're paying really doing the job that we're paying them to do . paying them to do. >> well, there are, i think there are a number of, um , there are a number of, um, answers to that. first, firstly, uh, as regards the albanians, they form 25% or their thereabouts of people returned . thereabouts of people returned. and that's because as i think you said, you perhaps broke the story of. but but anyway, we have an agreement with the albanian authorities to facilitate that. and perhaps that's what the government are trying to imitate with rwanda . trying to imitate with rwanda. but rwanda isn't room. isn't albania . so we can come on to albania. so we can come on to that in a moment. yeah. um, but i mean, why so slow ? i mean, why so slow? >> it feels to me that that is. i mean, that's just hopeless , frankly. >> um , it's the someone might >> um, it's the someone might have been told to get the

backlog down, and a way to get the backlog down is to, um, grant it. um, you came up with a figure of 80% for my little group . my little, um, company. group. my little, um, company. we would be expecting 95, 96, 97% of applications accepted on my in my office. >> yes. wow. so basically that means you're doing a fantastic job on behalf of your clients or that the home office or the home office are not competent, not fit for purpose. actually, fit for purpose. so actually, that's to the rub of it, that's got to the rub of it, because what you're really saying over the saying is that perhaps over the last years, the immigration last 20 years, the immigration lawyers have got better and better at interpreting the rules, the regulations is making an ever stronger case. essentially, you're doing a better job for your client. the asylum seekers, the arrivals and the home offices is not as competent as it was 20 years ago at resisting those those applications . and appeals. applications. and appeals. >> um, it takes great deal of, uh, of time, money and manpower

to fight a case, to refuse someone to go to court, etc. yeah. um, is there equality of arms? are there more lawyers than immigration officers? i don't know those statistics, but something significant has changed in the last 20 years to see a trebling of the rate of acceptance is or it's just simple political change. well, theyit simple political change. well, they it could be there'll be a significant impact on the war in syria and the rise of the taliban in afghanistan. those are just geopolitical factors which are going to drive refugees . um, the other factors, refugees. um, the other factors, um, may well be, are i speculate, a wish to just bring the backlog down to, um, to clear the decks for what comes next, which is inadmissibility. and that's something completely different from sending people to rwanda inadmissible city of claims for people who've come from third countries. so to free up the time to deal with the people coming and just essentially to park people essentially to park the people who arrived , um,

who have already arrived, um, i'd like to be a fly on the wall in some of those discussions within the home office and some of these significant happened this year because the beginning of the year, the prime minister said he going to get the said he was going to get the backlog down. >> backlog was over >> the backlog was well over 100,000, and i think it was near 150,000 and rising. and we've now got immigration now got two immigration ministers, one for lawful immigration unlawful immigration and one for unlawful because the job is so big that essentially one immigration minister wasn't good enough. um, but number they've reduced but the number they've reduced very proudly. tom pursglove yesterday announced the that they'd got the backlog down from 92,000 at the beginning of the yean 92,000 at the beginning of the year, sort of long stayers down to 18,000, sort of a record grant rate. but it seemed to me that it's almost like they're granting an amnesty for huge numbers just in order to meet their target . but is there any their target. but is there any or am i being a bit harsh there? >> you would never get anyone from the home office to use the word a the a word, an amnesty word. not far for many a year.

um and there was uh, there were some things called backlog clearance, which were effectively that sounds like an amnesty to it was never amnesty to me. it was never called an amnesty. >> let's be honest, amongst friends, a files were friends, a lot of files were were found in a large park. were found in a large car park. well, talking talking well, talking about talking about losing. yes, about finding and losing. yes, the office have admitted, the home office have admitted, of course, that basically they lost some over 17,000 asylum seekers who didn't turn up for their zoom interview . yeah, their zoom interview. yeah, yeah. and because they didn't turn up for the second time, they just basically wrote them off, cancelled the file, stuck it the bin. it in the bin. >> um, well, that is an increasing problem. it's increasing problem. and it's a problem for, both the asylum problem for for, both the asylum seeker and the government in the long if a letter goes long terme. um if a letter goes out and this is very realistic scenario, monday saying scenario, uh, on a monday saying you've an interview on you've got an interview on friday to an asylum seeker who may well, was likely likely may well, was likely more likely than english. than not not to speak english. and it. sent and he misses it. he's sent to a hotel with 200 rooms. um, the next thing that happens is his asylum claim is discontinued. or she's. >> you can't just you can't just ignore people at and abandon

them. and then just basically they into system they just drift into the system and illegally, and start working illegally, being housed illegally. you can it's all backlog down. >> you can if you want to get the backlog down, you've heard it here, folks. >> that's going on. it's >> that's what's going on. it's unbelievable. mean , it's just unbelievable. i mean, it's just how can this be acceptable ? how can this be acceptable? >> well, it isn't because at the end of the day, these people will be encountered and we'll be back in the system in the interim. they are, as you put it, um, sleeping in the park or working illegally. they'll have no choice until they can no other choice until they can get back in. and to say, i simply didn't receive your invitation but invitation letter, but if they've they've essentially they've if they've essentially written was what written it off, which was what sir coyte, uh, sir matthew paul coyte, uh, rycroft . rycroft. >> indicated then they >> sorry. he indicated then they don't bother again. they've got the backlog down. they don't care. me there's care. it feels to me there's a there's just a lack of a lack of umph, a lack of effort, a lack of care on behalf of british citizens. >> well , um, citizens. >> well, um, it's a matter of priorities if we are going to be dnven priorities if we are going to be driven by a sense of what i'm

going to suggest a soundbites. get the backlog down, stop the boats, rather than come to a joined up asylum seekers system deciding who are we going to protect and who are we not going to protect first? and then let's focus on the ones we are going to protect and take every action that within the power of the state, if that's what the parliament and the british people want to, to remove the people want to, to remove the people are not going to people that we are not going to protect. it was so predictable when minister said he when the prime minister said he was to the backlog down. >> we all sort of what >> we all sort of knew what would happen there would be a rush there would a rush through. there would be a sort of a back door amnesty. we've had 39,000 claims granted in september, the in the year to september, the highest began highest since records began in back in 1984. then it's the back in 1984. and then it's the whole rwanda thing to just finish on richard. it's like a sort of dead cat distraction on the side. we spent all that money just imagine if we'd spent all that money on a top quality , all that money on a top quality, world beating, processing team that processed everybody within a few weeks. >> well, £390 million so far is a fair wedge of money. 290 yeah.

uh, 290 i'm sorry. i'm sure it would be 390 before long, given that it's unbelievable . we have that it's unbelievable. we have promised to provide legal assistance and also to rwanda, and that bill is only going to go up. um i mean, you said dead cat . i would say three legged cat. i would say three legged donkey the grand national. donkey in the grand national. >> um, maybe what we should be doing actually is basically seconding a whole load of eu immigration lawyers to replace a bunch folk the home office bunch of folk in the home office to do the job properly. it seems to do the job properly. it seems to me maybe that's too much like common sense, richard. >> well, once. >> well, once. >> no, i love but no, >> no, i love that. but no, seriously , um, let's decide who seriously, um, let's decide who what kind of categories of refugees. what refugees we want or can take. if it's about society . so let's just say, um, society. so let's just say, um, the french will take 50,000 refugees from a french speaking country, and we will take 50,000 from, uh, from southern cameroon, who are anglophiles. >> but the bottom line is we've got to be competent and we've got to be competent and we've

got to be determined to do the job properly. richard bartrem, thank much indeed thank you so much indeed for your thoughts on that. there we are, friends. it seems me are, my friends. it seems to me that we've basically got a quasi amnesty program going on in this year the prime minister's year to get the prime minister's target to be achieved. my audience question to you how has that acceptance rate trebled ? that acceptance rate trebled? who's to blame? you've got the email. send us an email coming up after the break. the nhs, a winter of peril ahead. we've got ambulance delays. we've got anotherjunior ambulance delays. we've got another junior doctors strike at the worst possible time. all of that and much more on .

>> you're listening to gb news. radio. >> thank you very much. welcome back to farage at gb news. well, later in the show we're going to be talking about the huge row that's exploded between the

national crime agency and meta, who of course own facebook about keeping children safe. that is going to be worth waiting for. but the audience reaction is in to my question. so the asylum seeker application rates, the acceptance rate has trebled in the last 20 years. who's to blame? was my question, ray says . it's our fault we're a soft touch, five star hotels with benefits . maybe just some for benefits. maybe just some for four star hotels as well. and a visa after a year of disaster waiting to happen. ray, you're on the money. richard says we should drop the great from great britain. this country is a disgrace. as far as immigration is concerned. i don't want to do that. but, richard, i know what you mean. you're frustration. robert says. wow, this is strong stuff . corrupt leftist civil stuff. corrupt leftist civil servants. that's your answer , servants. that's your answer, says robert. no messing around. pretty strong feelings. well there's some pretty strong feelings going on with the nhs because we've got data coming

out about ambulance delays that have increased hugely in recent weeks. there's now some to wait 30 minutes or more when you arrive at the hospital before you are disembarked into the hospital itself, 1 in 3 patients. just imagine that 1 in 3 are waiting over half an hour from when you've arrived at a&e . from when you've arrived at a&e. doesn't sound like much of a service that , on top of the fact service that, on top of the fact that that from the 20th to the 23rd of december and then again in the new year, something to look forward to from the 3rd to the 9th of january, we we're back to the strikes. yes the bma, junior doctors are striking again. this is not encouraging news. i'm delighted to be joined on the line by doctor paul scott , who's a gp and is chair for the northern staffordshire trust. doctor scott, thank you so much forjoining me. um not great news. i guess it's always

challenging for the nhs in the winter. we know that every winter. we know that every winter is a difficult time, but some of this data is pretty shocking . a third of patients shocking. a third of patients arriving at hospital waiting half an hour in the ambulance before handing over what's what's going on there, doctor . what's going on there, doctor. >> i think , um, the issue is >> i think, um, the issue is that the government, the media, the public always seem to look at this from the point of view of , um, at this from the point of view of, um, what's visible and where. if you like the symptoms of the problems in the nhs. where. if you like the symptoms of the problems in the nhs . and of the problems in the nhs. and the most visible one is a&e and ambulances queuing outside and people having to wait as a 30 year experienced gp that actually isn't the problem. the problem ? um, um, when you look problem? um, um, when you look at it , is actually every problem? um, um, when you look at it, is actually every , at it, is actually every, everywhere else and to start with general practice , we're with general practice, we're 2200 gps down compared to 2015.

um we are we've had a huge recruitment of less skilled staff , um, who often have to see staff, um, who often have to see patients more often before patients more often before patients eventually get a diagnosis . patients eventually get a diagnosis. um, and in general practice , in spite of us practice, in spite of us operating at a 15% increase than before covid, which is still not getting through the demand. and we've also got a111 system that's really quite risk averse and piles people into hospital as well. um, a&e itself and the whole hospital sector is operating slower than it did before covid, operating only at 70 to 80. um, some of this is, is just the sheer catch up of the increasingly ill people. but it so it's relentless increase in demand. >> it sounds like there is some good news though within the data that i've just read, which is that i've just read, which is that the in the last months waiting list data for operations

and treatments actually has has basically held flat at about 7.7 7.8 million. i suppose we should be grateful for small mercies, particularly at this time of the year. yeah >> so. so what your listeners will be interested in, in what what i think are the what are the answers, the answers and i really hope this sinks in because the answer isn't just to try and pour money. poor put a bandage on a&e or get a few more ambulances. the answer is in general practice to allow the money spent on non—doctors to be spent on doctors. there are gps qualifying now who are actually unemployed because there are no jobs for them, and that just needs a relaxation of the rules . needs a relaxation of the rules. we need better medical filters on one, one one, so only the people who really need to go to hospital go to hospital, and we need a&e led by the most

experienced doctors. the other better nursing homes , the care better nursing homes, the care sector. we need investment there and much better coverage of most people. >> doctor recognise that actually it's not more money, it's reform of the processes that you've quite rightly been touching on. let's move on to the to the forthcoming doctors strikes. sorry, the junior doctors strikes before christmas and just after the new year. i mean, this really is the worst possible time for them to go on strike, regardless of the merits of the case or otherwise. it does seem that they're not exactly going to win any friends or sympathy from the general population . population. >> i think their morale , their >> i think their morale, their how they're treated by the nhs, how they're treated by the nhs, how this country treats junior doctors is they're they're almost at a level where they're, they're beyond caring . um, they they're beyond caring. um, they were offered just 3. um you know, they've lost 25, 30%

compared to a few years ago in relative income. but money isn't everything. it's how the nhs treats them . they're on treats them. they're on inflexible rota hours. there are gapsin inflexible rota hours. there are gaps in many, many gaps in their rotas where they cross covering. so are you really saying that actually they don't care? >> i mean, if they feel they've got a case, that's one thing. but to go on strike at this time to create more maximum, maximum damage, maximum angst at at literally the worst time of the year when lots of lots of other health staff are on holiday, for example , is i actually think example, is i actually think it's shocking, bordering on selfish. >> i understand that, but i think they're thinking in the medium terms. so we're getting an nhs that's wrecking its retention of junior doctors and junior doctors are leaving in droves. all most of them going, many of them going less than

full time. many of them explore ing other countries. as you're aware, the continuation in training rate two years after qualification is about 40. that this is absolutely , absolutely this is absolutely, absolutely appalling for a country like ourselves that is sure that retention rate sounds sounds woeful. >> i just think the timing of this is going to lose a lot of sympathy for the merits of their case. doctor scott , thank you so case. doctor scott, thank you so much for your thoughts this evening on farage on gb news really do appreciate that there's not much good news. i'm afraid , in and around the nhs. afraid, in and around the nhs. just huge challenges, but i just don't believe it's about the money. i think it's about the waste. i think it's about the way it's managed. i think it's about the process. aces. you go to most hospitals on a friday afternoon. there's not much happening. surely we should be using facilities , the using the facilities, the operating , friday operating theatres, friday afternoons, saturday, sunday. that's how we get through the backlog. so much to do. so much reform is essential . talking of

reform is essential. talking of reform is essential. talking of reform coming up after the break, we're going to be talking about a huge row about the way they're trying reform the use they're trying to reform the use of online safety, keeping children safe between the national crime agency . that's national crime agency. that's got a serious thing or two to say about it. and the group meta that own facebook don't go anywhere.

radio. >> welcome back, my friends. well keeping children safe onune well keeping children safe online is absolutely critical. and frankly, not very easy. it really is very challenging indeed. a massive concern for parents and grandparents and friends alike and guardians and things. but here's what's going on. there's a massive row between the national crime agency . you might wonder why agency. you might wonder why they're getting involved, and they're getting involved, and the owners of facebook, a big company called meta based in the united states, because meta have

decided to basically encrypt to sort of close off the beginning of the end of messaging us on facebook for the first time. and of course, facebook is huge, used by so many youngsters and ministers and parents are really , really anxious about this one. ministers described this decision as morally reprehensible. the national crime agency has said that it raises serious concerns for safety. they reckon that some 92% of all referrals that the national crime agency receives is from facebook. so just think about that. meta says it's okay for facebook , but the national for facebook, but the national crime agency says it's not. and of course, the risk is that the agency is saying that this move could lead to much greater abuse of children and paedophiles sharing horrific images online. well, i'm delighted to be joined by john taylor online safety for schools rep and campaigner john schools rep and campaignerjohn thanks for being with us. this is a it's so hard to know what's

right and what's wrong here. i know the online safety bill has taken ages and ages . what's your taken ages and ages. what's your taken ages and ages. what's your take on this is the situation. is it about the encryption or is it about something else that you're concerned about ? you're concerned about? >> um, i suppose a bit of both. encryption or end to end encryption has been about now for some time and actually meta and facebook are quite sort of last at the party. they've been doing it with their own whatsapp now for some years. ai messenger, they've got end to end encryption. so they're actually quite late to the party for encrypting messages on people using their messaging service on that platform . but of service on that platform. but of course, yeah, any platform that's used by predators , any that's used by predators, any paedophiles , then really they paedophiles, then really they should do what they can to assist with law enforcement. and of course here we have law enforcers saying, well, if you're going to encrypt it end to end, then we're not going to get the details that you're

actually currently sending us. now, there has to be said that meta has said we're going to continue and should we see any images that are being sent from individuals, then we will continue to report to nimiq, the national centre for missing, exploited children in america, who then forward the details on to the nca, who then forward it on to local forces. >> the numbers , john, are huge. >> the numbers, john, are huge. i mean people will be really shocked to hear that some the national crime agency arrests some 800 people a month regarding child abuse alone, safeguarding over 1200 children. i mean , these are massive i mean, these are massive numbers. these are many hundreds every single week . i was shocked every single week. i was shocked when i read this data . when i read this data. >> the funny thing is, so was i, um, the reason i say i was because i spent obviously 15 years investigating these crimes and actually going online as in and actually going online as in an undercover capacity because but then we got to look at the fact that these are 800 now, this is means it's 800 pieces of

information . regarding information. regarding individuals who have been exchanging indecent images of children using the internet . but children using the internet. but now that isn't just coming from facebook. that will be coming from the likes of the fbi, homeland security and nimiq for these individuals who are using every single platform that we can think of, including file sharing systems, which is where the crux and the main route will be. >> and john, to help parents because it's so hard. what are your have you got some top tips for christmas to help parents try and keep their own children safe ? safe? >> well, yes, if we step away from where we are with the nca and uh , meta, when you consider and uh, meta, when you consider and uh, meta, when you consider a child is going to get a device which is going to be a smartphone, a nintendo switch, playstation, xbox, we know that they're to want to go they're going to want to go roblox, minecraft , fortnite, roblox, minecraft, fortnite, instagram, etc, etc. etc. if you're going to do that, then fine. >> there are age restrictions normally around about the 1213

mark, whatsapp is 16. stick to them and be involved with your child. get to know what your child's doing. don't rely simply on a child learning for themselves. we don't do that for any other aspect of their lives. don't do it here. that's a really, really good tip. >> actually. keep a close eye on it. it's not easy. it's absolutely not easy. and often the children don't like sort of having parents looking over. they like to be secret amongst their friends. but i think john, thatis their friends. but i think john, that is great advice news in today john, that just want to today john, that i just want to tell it is my sort of what tell you it is my sort of what the farage moment, the prime minister, you think he's got better things do, but better things to do, but maybe not. actually going to have not. he's actually going to have a consultation the new year a consultation in the new year to something he's to ban something else. yes, he's actually wanting thinking about consulting over banning social media for the under 16. now some people might say, actually, that's a really good thing. based on what you've just said, what are your thoughts there, john? mean, is that actually john? i mean, is that actually heading down the right direction? possibly >> are people listened to >> are people have listened to me to schools over the last

me talk to schools over the last ten years, especially parents will know that. >> i've said, if we created this to cigarettes and alcohol, then yeah , social media. not until yeah, social media. not until i've actually said 18, but that's unrealistic. it's uncontrollable. this government doesn't control the likes of meta, doesn't control the likes of tiktok or the most popular platforms. that is not going to happen. so well, yeah, he can say that as an opinion, but as fact what we should be doing is spending far more money on actually getting more education and awareness to children and parents. >> john, that's really helpful. thank you so much. indeed, john taylor, for those thoughts and some top tips there for keeping your children safe online. it's really important. and the consequences if you get it wrong. i'm afraid are horrific . wrong. i'm afraid are horrific. now my second what the farage moment. i have to say made me a little bit frustrated. yes, workers at the public sector agency called defra that looks after farmers and things they're

running a big petition. yes they want a four day week , but they want a four day week, but they still want to be paid for five days. how does that work? how is that going to improve product jvt if you're working four days, but you're going to be paid for five days, that feels like almost like a 20% pay increase. maybe that's what the doctors want. jack kellum is the spokesman for the four day week campaign . he's down the line, campaign. he's down the line, jack, a very good evening to me and help me here. i mean, this seems like a disaster for productivity, a disaster for, for cost increases . liz. what am for cost increases. liz. what am i missing? jack >> so i think to the opposite. this is really, really exciting . this is really, really exciting. so this is a chance now for the uk to be leading the way in workplace innovation, drawing on what is really successful, growing evidence of the benefits of a shorter working week for no loss in pay. so the uk has been a real success story in this. so in 2022 we had a major trial, 60

companies, thousands of workers moved a shorter working week . moved to a shorter working week. just this petition demands just as this petition demands for loss pay. we saw , um, for no loss in pay. we saw, um, business performance. they say very similar. despite that reduction, we saw massive increases staff well—being. increases in staff well—being. we saw significant , um, we saw significant, um, decreases in levels of stress. people found it easier to combine childcare. >> so that's all very well . >> so that's all very well. where does it stop. so maybe i want a three day week and be paid for five days, and then we'll be to two days. we'll be down to two days. i mean, i've got graphic mean, i've got a graphic somewhere i think that i can show you showing public sector productivity. in the productivity. i mean, in the private up to the private sector, it's up to the boss. but here is a graph. the flat line at the bottom. surprise, surprise. this is pubuc surprise, surprise. this is public sector productivity going nowhere over many, many years. and sector and here's a public sector agency saying want to do agency saying i want to do i want to be paid for five days, but only work for four days. jack >> look, we've seen four day weeks be a massive driver of productivity, whether that's in the whether the private sector, whether that's public sector. the private sector, whether that's seen public sector. the private sector, whether that's seen southiblic sector. the private sector, whether that's seen south cambridgeshire we've seen south cambridgeshire recently , county council recently, county council making a move. they've had some a similar move. they've had some

really early really great success early on with trial of four day with their trial of a four day working and we working week. and what we find is, look, a crisis of is, look, we have a crisis of overwork in this country. we're now learning working longer hours more hours is not being more productive. people get burnt out by stress. they're not managing their time efficiently. maybe in those having that those businesses having that focus reducing working hours focus of reducing working hours could be really a powerful way of up. of driving up. >> i you what i could buy >> i tell you what i could buy jack.i >> i tell you what i could buy jack. i could buy that. if you say i want to do my five days work with the same number of hours days, that i could hours in four days, that i could buy, is that deal? buy, is that a deal? >> well, i think it's really important we keep the same level of people producing of pay if people are producing the output or the same amount of output or improving shouldn't be improving it, they shouldn't be 20% pay. >> increase productivity is >> increase your productivity is going collapse going to collapse. >> necessarily the >> that's not necessarily the case all. we've this case at all. we've seen this across businesses. now this is why this is why the private sector this. sector has led with this. >> but just showing you the >> but i'm just showing you the proof. just you the proof. i'm just showing you the proof. i'm just showing you the proof. private sector drives proof. the private sector drives up, sector is up, but the public sector is flat out. >> well, exactly. but for private sector, as moving private sector, as we moving towards the day working towards the four day working week, why it's been week, that's why it's been adopted right. we've

adopted there. right. we've seen businesses the businesses really across the world. the uk, the us, world. that's the uk, the us, new zealand as well . unilever new zealand as well. unilever recently microsoft and japan. they're making these moves because they see the effects it has on productivity. >> but talking about >> but you're talking about businesses , the private sector. businesses, the private sector. i understand that that's a choice for private sector businesses. i get all that. i'm not buying it for the public sector. but jack, good try. thank indeed . jack thank you very much indeed. jack resisted my deal to be paid the same as long as you actually do the same number of hours across four the truth is, four days. anyway, the truth is, the economy is flat. it's going nowhere. in fact, even worse , in nowhere. in fact, even worse, in the last month, it's fallen. we'll be talking about all of that straight after the break. don't go anywhere

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on the breakfast show. we've got the mother of the murdered toddler, james bulger, calling for the parole system to be completely and utterly overhauled because one of james's killers , john venables, james's killers, john venables, was denied freedom by the parole board this week after a 30 year fight to keep him behind bars. denise fergus told gb news that she has, for now at least, finally got some justice for her son. you're not want to miss that tomorrow from 6 am. with eamonn and anne now back to my show this evening and the last segment we've got to talk about what's going on in the economy because of course we had this week, just yesterday , bad news week, just yesterday, bad news on the economy. the data for october showed that the economy , october showed that the economy, it's not growing , it's not flat. it's not growing, it's not flat. no in one month it fell by 0.3. and for the last three months, it's basically flat. and this is

really serious because we've got the state spending over 45% of all economic spending, and that's paid for by taxes. all economic spending, and that's paid for by taxes . we that's paid for by taxes. we have to create some growth now, many people say, well, rely on the office for budget responsibility. what's there for forecast? let's have a look at that. forecast? let's have a look at that . well, i'm delighted to be that. well, i'm delighted to be joined in the studio by christian nemitz, who's the head of political economy at the institute of economic affairs. christian, a very good evening to you. not great news on the economy and growth is so important. far too often we hear lots of stuff from politicians, but they rarely talk about growth and actually delivering it. and what troubles troubles me? you look at this graph that i think we're going to put on the chart. now look to the right hand side, folks. we're basically where it's where the blue line , which is about 100% blue line, which is about 100% debt relative to the size of the economy. look at that black line. that is the forecast obr

debt increase over the next 3040 years, going completely through the roof to record high levels . the roof to record high levels. you might say, well, i'm not worried about that. 30 years. i'm worried about the next three months. but christian, there's no growth in the system now. and the obr's forecasting growth over or two. this over the next year or two. this is i mean, this is actually very bad news indeed . bad news indeed. >> it absolutely is. yes. and the thing is, we should actually be booming right now . we've only be booming right now. we've only just about recovered to pre—covid level. we've got a lot to make up for , and we should be to make up for, and we should be really in a booming economy. now, a lot of people are blaming the bank of england's decision to keep their rates as high as they currently are, but by historic standards, that is not such an unusual level. in the 90s, in the early 2000, those would have been completely normal levels. >> they have been. that's >> they would have been. that's right. they kept the right. but they have kept the rate at i think they've rate at 5.25. i think they've had 14 consecutive increases until last few months . but until the last few months. but it takes time for that to

trickle through you want to trickle through if you want to create growth , then create some growth, then actually reducing interest rates will of the package . but will be part of the package. but christian, we've got the highest taxes for 70 years. we've got the highest levels of regulations. spending regulations. government spending is at record levels. i've just touched on 45. we've got mass immigration that we've never had before, and we've got factor all of that , and then we've got the of that, and then we've got the costs of net zero, which we've never had before. so where's the growth going to come from ? growth going to come from? that's going to get the debt back to acceptable levels at the moment from nowhere. >> the problem is from nowhere . >> the problem is from nowhere. you know, don't see much. you know, i don't see much. i mean, it's not going to be this may not be technically a recession. it may just be a penod recession. it may just be a period of anaemic growth, but that will be bad enough. it is still, by historic standards, the economy has barely grown since about two thousand and seven. so i moved here two seven. so i moved here in two thousand seven. don't have seven. so i moved here in two th0|impression;even. don't have seven. so i moved here in two th0|impression that. don't have seven. so i moved here in two th0|impression that i don't have seven. so i moved here in two th0|impression that i live 1't have seven. so i moved here in two th0|impression that i live in have the impression that i live in a ficher the impression that i live in a richer country now than one richer country now than the one i moved then, and that i moved to back then, and that thatis

i moved to back then, and that that is a very long period of near stagnation. i think the bafic near stagnation. i think the basic problem is actually fairly simple . i basic problem is actually fairly simple. i read basic problem is actually fairly simple . i read pretty simple. i read stories pretty much every day about some group somewhere , some obstructionist somewhere, some obstructionist group blocking some form of economic activity, whether that's house building, infrastructure, business premises, retail , premises, offices, retail, energy, whatever it is, there's always someone, somewhere objecting , none of it objecting, none of it catastrophic on its own. but it adds up. >> but those on the on on the on the left, the labour party, socialists, they'll say if you invest more in public services is where, by the way, we've just proven that the productivity is completely flat. then you'll get growth you'll get growth because you'll get a higher quality of life and things with higher quality pubuc things with higher quality public what say public services. what do you say to them? public services. what do you say to twell, we would see that by >> well, we would see that by now. public spending now. a public spending in peacetime has never been higher on a consistent basis than it is now. and so this idea a lot of people on the left have this idea that, that, that , that idea that, that, that, that pubuc idea that, that, that, that public spending is exceptionally low in britain, which it really isn't . it's a

low in britain, which it really isn't. it's a fairly normal low in britain, which it really isn't . it's a fairly normal oecd isn't. it's a fairly normal oecd level. of course, you can always find some examples where they spend even more, but then they get other things right. but the truth is, taxes are at a 70 year high and public spending is i mean, 20 years ago, public spending is a relative to the size of the economy was about 35, give or take. >> it's now north of 45. so it's gone through the roof. and yet actually most people would say pubuc actually most people would say public services are worse, which surely proves that actually that graph about public sector productivity is probably actually going down. it seems the more money throw at it, the more money you throw at it, the more money you throw at it, the it gets. the worse it gets. >> yeah. exactly that >> well, yeah. exactly if that was to generate growth, was the way to generate growth, then would now in then we would now be in a booming economy because it really is at at a peace time record high. now you understand this stuff. >> so those factors we've sort of had but the two new factors, mass immigration that we're seeing in recent years, despite promises to bring it down. and then the impact of the costs of net zero, which wasn't properly

costed . and we don't know, costed. and we don't know, frankly, whether it's 2 trillion, 3 trillion or 5 trillion, 3 trillion or 5 trillion, it's in the trillions that we do know. how significant are those two separate factors being imposed on us as a nation, as a population , as communities as a population, as communities at the same time ? at the same time? >> um, i'm less bothered about what the immigration side of that because as long as immigration is immigration into the labour market, into the economy, as opposed to the welfare system that can actually boost growth or at least be neutral, um, because those people don't just work here, they also spend money. yeah, but hang on, if the economy is flatlining and there's no prospects of growth, if you divide that same size economy by another million people every yeah another million people every year, we're all worse off. >> that is okay. >> that is okay. >> but but them just being here means they will do something thatis means they will do something that is in some way, but they're doing something. that is in some way, but they're doing scthe thing. that is in some way, but they're doing scthe economy is >> and the economy is flatlining. so that's not working the way to boost the >> it's not the way to boost the economy or not on a per capita basis. but it doesn't have to be

a problem either. it can be neutral, generally neutral growth. >> christian. >> christian. >> that has to come from >> yes, that has to come from somewhere that has to come somewhere else. that has to come from taking power from from, uh, taking away power from the profession. >> now the left will say those those who are pro net pro those who are pro net zero pro renewable energy, that good renewable energy, all that good stuff will say it's green jobs. the growth coming in from the growth is coming in from net zero. party's going zero. the labour party's going to billions of to borrow tens of billions of pounds invest in that. are pounds to invest in that. are you buying that or not. you buying that stuff or not. >> no not at all. because by that could also say that logic, you could also say you could hire 100,000 people to have them dig holes and then another 100,000 people to fill up again. and then you up the holes again. and then you could say, i have created 200,000 jobs, but what we want to create isn't jobs, it's prosperity . um, of course you prosperity. um, of course you can. you can inflate the size of the green economy by subsidising it. but that money subsidies , it. but that money subsidies, subsidies comes from the taxpayer. >> yes. i don't want to do that. subsidies breeds complacency. i want to restrict it. the labour supply. i want to restrict the migration numbers so that actually either the cost of labour goes up, which forces

businesses to invest in capital. that's how you an that's how you get an improvement of productivity and growth. way to drive growth. that's the way to drive it and to out it forward. and to cut out government then you government waste. and then you can taxes. can reduce taxes. >> yeah, i mean you could just raise the salary threshold on the migration side. that would be a measure where you can. how does that help productivity . does that help productivity. well, because that would mean you have i mean raise the salary threshold. so raise the salary threshold. so raise the salary threshold for yes. yes okay. so you have to earn a certain level before you can. >> and the government talked about that. the question i guess is whether or not they actually deliver it's deliver it. but for me it's there's too much waste, too much taxes and it's catastrophic. and if don't get some growth, if we don't get some growth, christian, to christian, we are heading to a very bad kristian very bad place. kristian niemietz, much niemietz, thank you so much indeed being with us, indeed for being with us, sharing those thoughts. it's not easy. not good news. but of easy. it's not good news. but of course the next show will have all the answers because it's being hosted by sirjacob rees—mogg . good evening jacob, rees—mogg. good evening jacob, have answers to have you got the answers to create growth? mean, create some growth? i mean, yesterday's the yesterday's news was bad. the bank of england news today not

great. it. well i think the bank of england was too slow to rise to increase interest rates and been to cut the bank of been too slow to cut the bank of england's always behind . england's always behind. >> and yesterday's news will be revised. whatever happens, that will that will not be the figure that we've had a terrible track record of revisions to gdp . so record of revisions to gdp. so you really know where you you don't really know where you stand with one. >> no, but it's not great >> no, but it's not a great trend, last three trend, is it? the last three months is zero. the last month is —0.3. i mean it's heading south, not north. jacob but we've revisions. >> we keep on told >> so we keep on being told we're bottom of the list of g7 nations. two years nations. and then two years later find out actually, we later you find out actually, we were near the top. so i wouldn't worry too much about those. >> i'm anxious, you're >> i'm anxious, but you're obviously coming up obviously not. what's coming up on what i'm going to be talking >> what i'm going to be talking aboutis >> what i'm going to be talking about is extraordinary performance by the chief executive of aviva. somebody called , who called amanda blank, who appeared before a select committee yesterday if committee yesterday and said if any were to be given to any job were to be given to a white man, it had to be signed off by her personally to encourage diversity. and this seems me straightforward seems to me straightforward discrimination. can't believe discrimination. i can't believe it's legal. if it is, it's

outrageous . and it seems to me outrageous. and it seems to me she's failing in her fiduciary duty because her job is to make duty because herjob is to make money for her shareholders, not pontificate about her slightly tiresome leftie views. >> if you're a white man, you're not to have much chance not going to have much chance at aviva. jacob. aviva. it sounds like jacob. that like a fantastic that sounds like a fantastic show. you very much show. thank you very much indeed. that's last indeed. everybody that's my last show the moment. nigel is indeed. everybody that's my last showon the moment. nigel is indeed. everybody that's my last showon monday�*nent. nigel is indeed. everybody that's my last showon monday with. nigel is indeed. everybody that's my last showon monday with somel is indeed. everybody that's my last show on monday with some lots of back on monday with some lots of news and action. but first of all, it's the weather. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boiler is sponsors of weather on gbillionews . hi weather on gbillionews. hi there, it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. >> it's going to be breezy, increasingly so across northern parts of the uk over the next 24 hours. patchy cloud carried in on that breeze, but with lighter winds and clearer spells. further south, we're going to see chilly night now. high see a chilly night now. high pressure is building in from the south, but that's not going to lead to entirely fine conditions across the uk because we're going continue see going to continue to see a strong westerly breeze. in fact,

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gb news. >> hello . >> hello. >> hello. >> good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight. yet another institution in the private sector has been overrun with anti meritocrat . a overrun with anti meritocrat. a politically correct collective is not essence. the chief executive of the insurance giant aviva, amanda blank, has told the treasury committee that she has to sign off all senior white male recruits . and this is all male recruits. and this is all in the name of the modern day religion known as diversity . religion known as diversity. meanwhile, the business secretary, kemi badenoch, has been embroiled row over been embroiled in a row over transgender rights as she told the women in equalities committee that single—sex spaces must be protected because there are more predators than there are