phone hacking . about extensive phone hacking. between 2006 and 2011. the judge also accepted that piers morgan knew that journalists were involved in phone hacking while he worked at the daily mirror, but the former editor claims he has never hacked a phone or told anyone else to hack a phone. >> as for him saying this is a good day for truth, the duke has been repeatedly exposed in recent years as someone who wouldn't know the truth if it slapped him around his california face, he california tanned face, he demands accountability for the press, but refuses to accept any for himself. for smearing the royal family. his own family, as a bunch of callous racists without producing a shred of proof to support those disgraceful claims . disgraceful claims. >> the death of hollywood actor matthew perry has been ruled an accident from the effects of ketamine. medical officials in los angeles have confirmed tonight that drowning was also a factor in his death . police were factor in his death. police were called to the sitcom star's home in la in october, where he was

found unresponsive in his pool. he died at the age of 54, three israeli hostages have been killed by mistake after troops opened fire during combat in gaza. the military there say that three kidnapped men had been missing, that three kidnapped men had been missing , identified as a been missing, identified as a threat in a statement, the idf said that it had deep remorse for the tragic incident and that it was under investigation. meanwhile, israel has said it will allow up to 200 trucks of aid per day into gaza through kerem crossing . a move kerem shalom crossing. a move that's been praised by the foreign secretary, david cameron , and the grandmother of british teenager, a british teenager who was believed to have been abducted six years ago, has said she cannot express how relieved she cannot express how relieved she is that he's been found safe and well. alex bhatti now 17 years old, is expected to fly back to the uk over the weekend . back to the uk over the weekend. he disappeared with his mother and grandfather in 2017 after going family to going on family holiday to spain. detectives believe alex was taken by his mother to live an alternative lifestyle in a

spiritual community abroad . well spiritual community abroad. well that's it from me. for more you can find us on your tv, in your car, on digital radio and on our website. this is . website. this is. gb news. hello and welcome to headliners. >> i'm andrew doyle. >> i'm andrew doyle. >> tonight i'm joined by pro—life comedian nicholas de santo and pro slaughter comedian louis schaffer. how are you both.7 >> i accept that . >> i accept that. >> i accept that. >> well, i think it's accurate. yeah yeah. >> slaughter of, uh, red meat. >> slaughter of, uh, red meat. >> certainly red meat for him. >> certainly red meat for him. >> and for me. >> and for me. >> unborn baby. you are a carnivore in the true sense of the word. >> but you know what.7 >> but you know what.7 >> also my fantasy >> i'm also my fantasy is death and murder and killing anyway. well i didn't say that because i know i come across as a nice guy, but i'm. >> i just want death. >> i just want death. >> no, you are a horror >> no, no, no, you are a horror show. if i'm honest, i just said

that. >> you're supposed to disagree. okay >> you're supposed to disagree. okeno, a lovely human being. >> okay, going start by >> okay, we're going to start by looking front pages. looking through the front pages. so daily mail leading with so the daily mail leading with half . they're half price christmas. they're worried about sales in the high street sadiq khan street. telegraph has sadiq khan blocks cars ukraine scheme . blocks cars for ukraine scheme. we'll be getting to that in a moment. the times has rise of the month long wait just to see your a familiar your gp. that's a familiar story. if ever i saw it, the guardian great day for truth . guardian great day for truth. prince harry hacking case prince harry wins hacking case and the mirror has question of sport axed . that favourite is to sport axed. that favourite is to be axed after 53 years and daily star what a spuddy outrage. something to do with mr potato head? those were your front pages. head? those were your front pages . right head? those were your front pages. right we're going to begin with saturday's guardian . begin with saturday's guardian. lewis, you've got this. what are they leading with? >> a great day truth . prince >> a great day for truth. prince harry case and harry wins hacking case and prince harry, who was is related to some other. i think he's in the royal family or something . the royal family or something. yeah he's a celebrity here. he's

a celebrity here. i mean, he's changing name . he's no changing his name. he's no longer going to be a prince. changing his name. he's no longigoinglg to be a prince. changing his name. he's no longigoing to to be a prince. changing his name. he's no longigoing to be )e a prince. changing his name. he's no longigoing to be called nce. changing his name. he's no longigoing to be called harry he's going to be called harry markle. new name. markle. that's his new name. >> going to do that. >> somebody is going to do that. >> somebody is going to do that. >> yeah, well, prince that >> yeah, well, prince did that many years ago. >> why resemble >> yeah. why not resemble and meghan markle is going to change her marry b.b. meghan markle is going to change her marry bb. king her is going to marry bb. king so could change her name. so she could change her name. >> that right? okay >> is that is that right? okay princess markle would princess markle king that would be impressive. >> now what's going on now, i know that prince took the know that prince harry took the mirror group to court right over allegations yeah allegations of hacking. yeah outcome. it's gone his way. >> it's gone his way. and he's been. he's been awarded £140,000. well, he needs the money. well he does. he might need the money. who's going to give him money then. go to you. don't what you don't you know what it is you don't know who has money, who doesn't have money? >> got that >> well, they got that big netflix didn't netflix show, didn't they? >> do. and eventually >> they do. and eventually that runs out. there's mansion runs out. there's a big mansion that for. the gas that they're paying for. the gas and expensive. that they're paying for. the gas and the expensive. that they're paying for. the gas and the fact expensive. that they're paying for. the gas and the fact is, expensive. that they're paying for. the gas and the fact is, is expensive. that they're paying for. the gas and the fact is, is that xpensive. that they're paying for. the gas and the fact is, is that he nsive. that they're paying for. the gas and the fact is, is that he he le. but the fact is, is that he he won a lot of the cases and a lot of the incidents that he was he cited, i think 33 out of out of 23 out of 33 or 33 out of four,

whatever it was, it was a number. but it wasn't all of them. so some people are spinning it like he was wrong about some of the but about some of the things, but basically followed basically they followed him around. him . around. they they hassled him. >> it's not just >> well, i mean, it's not just about thought this about him, is it? i thought this case hacking more case was about hacking more broadly . there are some broadly. there are some concerns, though. nicholas about press freedom. you know, i think everyone agrees that hacking is wrong. so, wrong. it's also illegal. so, you have to apply you know, you just have to apply the there is a the law. um, but there is a concern that this kind of, this kind of move against the papers is silencing is really about silencing criticism of the wealthy and powerful. do you think that's part could of it. >> i mean, it.— >> i mean, it's it. >> i mean, it's quite telling that prince harry, despite scoring is not as scoring this victory, is not as it . he's not going to it seems. he's not going to gather a lot of sympathy for that. >> right? >> right? >> because ultimately people associate him with his own campaigns against the royal family. and as piers morgan put it, i mean, it's quite telling that you, you, you win such a victory against tabloids which are not international or even domestic, they're always very

popular . but domestic, they're always very popular. but still domestic, they're always very popular . but still people are popular. but still people are going to say , well, look what going to say, well, look what you did to rest of your you did to the rest of your royal family. >> yeah. why is it that you know that he's reached a point where he is so unpopular? what do you think going there? mean, he is so unpopular? what do you tiknow going there? mean, he is so unpopular? what do you tiknow your|g there? mean, he is so unpopular? what do you tiknow your reason,ere? mean, he is so unpopular? what do you tiknow your reason, louis. mean, he is so unpopular? what do you tiknow your reason, louis. you n, i know your reason, louis. you don't but it's don't like the royals. but it's his attack on the royals that people take particular people are. take particular objection the reason they're >> i think the reason they're people don't like him is people people don't like him is for the same reason. he's a for the same old reason. he's a striver . wants more and he striver. he wants more and he marries somebody who wants more . marries somebody who wants more. and he doesn't want to be the second in charge. and every single he lives, single day that he lives, they're more more they're having more and more kids going in kids. he's like going down in the pecking order. and he the pecking order. but. and he wants relevance to wants relevance. he wants to be a man. bit dim . he a man. he's a bit dim. he strikes i shouldn't say strikes me as i shouldn't say that, wants have that, but he wants to have relevance and in this country, he's to place he's supposed to know his place and meghan markle is supposed to know her place . and his place know her place. and his place was just to sit there and have his arms folded and be nice. >> you don't like the royals anyway you want. you think the royal be royal family should be abolished? royal family should be aboi shed?they be. >> i think they should be. i think it's one of the worst things about this country. that's because you're an

american. american. american. well, i'm an american. the it's the the reason i think it's the worst because i can worst thing is because i can see it an outsider's point of it from an outsider's point of view. basically the view. it basically crushes the idea of meritocracy and amongst view. it basically crushes the idea of iteritocracy and amongst view. it basically crushes the idea of it meanscy and amongst view. it basically crushes the idea of it means there'samongst view. it basically crushes the idea of it means there's the ngst people, it means there's the top, top person in this country is unelected. >> maybe on philosophical >> maybe on a philosophical level, i would agree with because me and louis are are struggling grounds struggling to find some grounds for were for disagreement because we were afraid won't invite us afraid producers won't invite us together because we agree on. >> yeah, i want to see you squabble more. >> speaking, >> philosophically speaking, maybe that maybe, maybe maybe i agree that maybe, maybe monarchy outdated, but monarchy is a bit outdated, but sadly, sad, sad state of sadly, the sad, sad state of affairs this country in affairs in this country and in the that there the west is that there is nothing for the british nothing else for the british people cling on as part of people to cling on as part of their identity, because everything else has been dismantled, because , you know, dismantled, because, you know, the was not carbon the empire was not carbon neutral. and the industrial revolution was not carbon neutral . and this guy was neutral. and this guy was sexist. that guy had slaves. sexist. and that guy had slaves. and that other guy didn't help his wife in the kitchen. so ultimately the monarchy. ultimately we have the monarchy. and loyalty is also important . and loyalty is also important. so when he went after his family without a shred evidence, as without a shred of evidence, as piers morgan again reiterated tonight, , people see that

tonight, people, people see that a war hero who served in afghanistan turned into some some, you know , uh, batum male, some, you know, uh, batum male, uh , person under the thumb of uh, person under the thumb of his wife. okay. >> this is where this is where he's wrong. can i just say very quickly, louis, because we do have to move on. you're wrong. because monarchy, he was because if the monarchy, he was what was the only what you said it was the only thing we have left . that would thing we have left. that would be fine. but it's not. the monarchy is completely taken over by the world economic forum . they're part of team world. oh, for goodness sake. >> moving on now . okay, i've >> i'm moving on now. okay, i've had enough. >> that. >> sorry about that. >> sorry about that. >> it's . well, spoke to. >> it's. well, he spoke to. typical louis. we're >> it's. well, he spoke to. typicaon louis. we're >> it's. well, he spoke to. typicaon to louis. we're >> it's. well, he spoke to. typicaon to saturday'siie're >> it's. well, he spoke to. typicaon to saturday's telegraph going on to saturday's telegraph now. nicholas. what? are now. nicholas. what? what are the with? the telegraph leading with? >> uh, well, before going to what they are leading with, i want pay attention want to pay attention to this little cartoon at the bottom by the inimitable one and only matt. says, the kid says in matt. it says, the kid says in the nativity play, the kid is telling his mom in the nativity play telling his mom in the nativity play this year, i'm playing the journalist hacked into the journalist who hacked into the phones three kings. the phones of the three kings. the wise yeah, presumably

wise kings? yeah, presumably links nicely to the story we were just discussing, and presumably they hacked into the wise king's phones to see their carbon footprint as they, you know did arduous journey. know, did that arduous journey. but the title we've chosen is sadiq khan blocks cars for ukraine scheme. this is when obsession on, uh, and you know how, uh, religious like devotion to enviro fanaticism. take a bizarre turn. but what was the idea here? the idea is , if your idea here? the idea is, if your car is not ulez compatible , car is not ulez compatible, well, you can scrap it. >> you can scrap it, and you will be rewarded for that for £2,000. >> in some cases . yeah. cars >> in some cases. yeah. cars which qualify, of course. now the vitali klitschko famous mayor of kyiv, says we need a lot of four by fours who are perfectly good cars. maybe you allow londoners to donate that to us and there are other british associations who are already doing that. but in this case, sadiq khan , the labour case, sadiq khan, the labour mayor of london, says no, no. and we were struggling to see

why he says no and no wonder title is khan's decision to block cars for ukraine scheme has been described as gobsmacking, as baffling . he gobsmacking, as baffling. he says it does not. the decision to donate them does not meet the legal threshold that requires the ulez scrappage scheme to benefit londoners. it's as if he needs to reach a certain number of cars to be scrapped . yes, of cars to be scrapped. yes, okay. otherwise, what do you think , lewis? think, lewis? >> what do you think the reason for saying no. um, i'm. >> we just were discussing this beforehand. i don't i think the reason he's saying no is because it's possible . highly polluting, it's possible. highly polluting, and he's . so he believes this and he's. so he believes this whole pollution thing and this carbon neutral thing , this whole carbon. >> a country at war really cares about whether whether it's vehicles, ukrainians die vehicles, whether ukrainians die than pollute air above you. than pollute the air above you. >> that's what's insane. yes the answer ukraine doesn't care answer is ukraine doesn't care about these cars sputtering . about these cars sputtering. yeah, but sadiq khan on because he's so far up the butt of the eco warriors as well. >> we don't know, because no

reason is given. well, a reason is given, but it's a bit wishy washy. >> was designed to ensure that these vehicles most polluting vehicles would, uh , are vehicles would, uh, are permanently removed from london's roads. as if these cars, these cars , by the way, cars, these cars, by the way, once they go to ukraine, they're going to be painted in camouflage with bazookas or mortar it's bad for mortar launchers. it's bad for the environment. it's very unlikely for these cars to make their way back into the london streets after the war is over. >> okay, but let's on to streets after the war is over. >> times but let's on to streets after the war is over. >> times now. 3t's on to streets after the war is over. >> times now. lewis. on to streets after the war is over. >> times now. lewis. uh, n to streets after the war is over. >> times now. lewis. uh, soo the times now. lewis. uh, so they are leading an nhs they are leading with an nhs story. one of my favourites. well, this is this. >> how many stories are these? every week there's >> how many stories are these? every one week there's >> how many stories are these? every one ofzek there's >> how many stories are these? every one of these are's >> how many stories are these? every one of these stories. another one of these stories. rise wait. rise of the month long wait. just to see your gp. something is going wrong. >> i mean, you know, i've had limited experience with gps over the past year, but when i have, it's very difficult it's been very, very difficult to phone just the to you have to phone just the right the morning to get right time in the morning to get an appointment. there's always a right time in the morning to get an twait.1tment. there's always a right time in the morning to get an twait. anent. there's always a right time in the morning to get an twait. a lott. there's always a right time in the morning to get an twait. a lott. 'gp'e's always a right time in the morning to get an twait. a lott. 'gp surgeriess a big wait. a lot of gp surgeries are triaged . seeing are now triaged. seeing patients, the patients, you get the receptionist having to ask you about your symptoms, which can be embarrassing. um, what be very embarrassing. um, what is going with the with the

be very embarrassing. um, what is goparticularly the with the be very embarrassing. um, what is goparticularly with vith the be very embarrassing. um, what is goparticularly with gps?|e nhs particularly with gps? >> number one, my guess >> okay. number one, my guess is, is that people are calling pre—emptively because they know they're sick they're going to be sick and they're going to be sick and they to they know they're not going to be an appointment. be able to get an appointment. so they think, you know what, maybe get cancer. maybe i might get cancer. >> though. >> that's idea. yeah. so >> that's a good idea. yeah. so you get an appointment booked in for months line. for a few months down the line. something's wrong. something's going to go wrong. >> you something's going to go wrong. >> diabetes, you something's going to go wrong. >> diabetes, you you something's going to go wrong. >> diabetes, you get you something's going to go wrong. >> diabetes, you get cancer. u get diabetes, you get cancer. something's going happen. get diabetes, you get cancer. sometareg's going happen. get diabetes, you get cancer. sometare g's gmillion happen. there are 4.9 million appointments, 28 days after 28 days. right there are only 60 something in the something million people in the country, 14.9 how sick we are. a sickly nation. exactly. because you're on a vegan plant based diet, which you promote. andrew, i don't promote it. >> i say eat whatever you want. >> i say eat whatever you want. >> no . don't eat. these people >> no. don't eat. these people shouldn't eat whatever they want . that's they're so sick. . that's why they're so sick. look. louis schaefer. look. look at louis schaefer. look. look at louis schaefer. look at great i look. look at how great i look. nicholas a vegan nicholas do you have a vegan diet ? diet? >> i w n imagine that you do. >> i have a vegan korean wife with with a strong vegan. sympathies and that's lost sympathies and that's how i lost a lot of louis respect. actually >> yeah. i'm sure. >> yes. yeah. i'm not. i'm not vegan or vegetarian myself. well

louis takes a very militant view of we're all sick because we >> we're all sick because we don't what or don't eat what raw cows or whatever. well, had a whatever. well, i just had a full body scan , full body, a full body scan, that which basically said that i am doing. >> i'm above average in bone density compared against athletes who take this test. it's got a dexa scan. well if any ladies are watching, i know they take my shirt off. >> don't take your shirt off, louis. but, you know, i'm sure bone is the thing that bone density is the thing that most seek end of most women seek at the end of the levels. the day. different levels. >> all the chickens have >> when all the chickens have been plucked, what this story is about basically plea from about is basically a plea from the times to let in more immigrant s. no not. yes it immigrant s. no it's not. yes it is. says it right here. it is. it says it right here. it says they they need says it says that they they need more fully qualified . more fully qualified. >> and what is true, i mean, in a sense the nhs is struggling to recruit the sufficient numbers of qualified people that where are they going to get people from, provide home grown home, educate doctors and nurses and not just go and buy that? >> we do a disservice to our own nation. also we deplete the resources those other resources of those other countries who desperately. that

is okay, let's to >> okay, well, let's move on to the now, this is a story the mail. now, this is a story about a shopping. nicholas, half price christmas bonanza for bargain hunters. >> as a struggling retailers launch. so sales now, um, this is an old story in terms of, you know , high street dying and know, high street dying and a lot of even on the iconic world famous oxford street, a lot of complaints because all these american style candy shops, no disrespect, but those shops are really awful have been emerging. and those who are still in the market, even big names like house of fraser and, uh, john lewis and so on, they are offering maybe in a panic move. they are offering substantial sales because apparently people's christmas shopping has fallen short of expectations . fallen short of expectations. well, what do we expect? >> cost of living crisis. lewis isn't that. yeah. well, it's either one or the other. isn't that. yeah. well, it's eitiit's)ne or the other. isn't that. yeah. well, it's eitiit's eitherthe other. isn't that. yeah. well, it's eiti it's either the other. isn't that. yeah. well, it's eitiit's either the it'szr. isn't that. yeah. well, it's eitiit's either the it's either >> it's either the it's either half christmas they're >> it's either the it's either hathey're christmas they're >> it's either the it's either hathey're complaining they're >> it's either the it's either hathey're complaining that 're or they're complaining that pnces or they're complaining that prices through or they're complaining that pricebecause through or they're complaining that pricebecause there's�*ugh or they're complaining that pricebecause there's incredible roof because there's incredible demand . you see article demand. you never see an article that things are just the that says things are just the same as last year. and every yeah well, wouldn't be very >> well, it wouldn't be very

interesting, for interesting, particularly for the pages. interesting, particularly for the so pages. interesting, particularly for the so this ages. interesting, particularly for the so this ises. interesting, particularly for the so this is like basically >> so this is like basically panic, really panic. panic, but not really panic. >> we like a bit of panic on the show, but those are the front pages with. please don't pages dealt with. please don't go though, because go anywhere though, because coming up part find coming up in part two we'll find out why. just stop oil have been stopped search is stopped while stop and search is still

radio. >> welcome back to headliners. it's your first look at saturday's newspapers. i'm andrew doyle still here with louis schaefer and nicholas de santo . we're going to continue santo. we're going to continue with the stories. let's move to the garden. now. a climate activist has been jailed for six months pleading guilty. months after pleading guilty. nicholas. what happened? just months after pleading guilty. nicistop what happened? just months after pleading guilty. nicr stop wh activists ned? just months after pleading guilty. nicr stop wh activists jailed ust just stop oil activists jailed for six months for taking part in a slow march in slow march. >> so this is stephen jingle . if >> so this is stephen jingle. if i'm pronouncing it correctly, the jingle jingle probably. >> or jingle, um, a 57 year old >> orjingle, um, a 57 year old father from manchester. >> and he participated in this slow march in holloway road .

slow march in holloway road. what does that mean? >> disrupting the traffic ? >> disrupting the traffic? >> disrupting the traffic? >> exactly. obviously not the worst thing they've but >> exactly. obviously not the worswe iing they've but >> exactly. obviously not the worswe have1ey've but >> exactly. obviously not the worswe have this e but >> exactly. obviously not the worswe have this relatively jt >> exactly. obviously not the worswe have this relatively new, now we have this relatively new, um, law called public order act. and under section seven of this, which is the controversial part, the police have made the most number of, uh , arrests basically number of, uh, arrests basically over , over the arch of a few over, over the arch of a few months. they have made, uh, 630 times, uh, 630, uh, arrests and almost half of them , uh, or almost half of them, uh, or more, more than half of them were due to this , um, public were due to this, um, public order act. now, the controversy is that, again, we have the lefties to thank for because when they open the floodgates of mass immigration, some people react and the government intervenes. and then we have hate speech laws and censorship and surveillance and all that. and when they do all these disruptive , extremely unpopular disruptive, extremely unpopular protests by defacing monuments or throwing tomato ketchup or whatever paint at a works of

art, or, uh, stopping people consistently from going about their work, what happens ? public their work, what happens? public order act comes in and now critics, not just environmentalists , but others environmentalists, but others say, look, this law has been formulated in a way that essentially it says you cannot stop infrastructure, including roads, from functioning or losing their function by any degree . which means essentially, degree. which means essentially, if the government wanted , they if the government wanted, they could interpret it in a way that you can't walk on the street. well, that's the point. >> any sort of protest, all of these laws that are being enacted effectively kind of enacted are effectively kind of authoritarian, they? authoritarian, aren't they? louis point is louis i mean, the point is that we sick of just stop oil we all get sick of just stop oil and they behave, and the way that they behave, you know, but punish criminality , the so , don't expand the laws so that you people for just you can arrest people for just any reason. but you could always arrest for reason , arrest anybody for any reason, and you don't need a million laws. >> there are so many laws the >> there are so many laws on the books. a law. books. there's probably a law. well, there's too many, right? >> what is >> yeah. well, you know what is not it's too many. if they're >> it's too many. if they're enforced, um, think miss enforced, um, i think you miss the of story . this the point of this story. this story horrific story . why? story is a horrific story. why? because guy who was who was

because the guy who was who was put jail , his because the guy who was who was put jail, his name. put in jail, his name. >> we've had this stephen jingle. yeah yeah, 57 years old. >> we're not going to do with anything. he's old. he's an old white guy . white guy. >> we don't know his ethnicity. well we pretty much do know he's an old white guy. >> and they're putting an old white man in jail. they're not putting anybody. sexepil greta thunberg is not being put in jail. nobody young. part of just what happened here, i think it is. why did they pick to make to this is the first guy. why did they pick him? you know what i mean? >> they should really. if i was to my way, have the to have my way, i'd have the ones locked up who threw paint at the painting. yeah, at the, um. the painting. yeah, but whatever at the, um. the painting. yeah, blwas whatever at the, um. the painting. yeah, blwas . whatever it was. >> but were young, >> but they were young, beautiful you know, maybe. >> so you saying this is prejudice? yes. this is institutionalised white man, old man prejudice. are you not reading in your own concerns? no it's not. >> mean , if they arrested, it's not. >> mif|n , if they arrested, it's not. >> mif they they arrested, it's not. >> mif they were arrested, it's not. >> mif they were 30 ested, it's not. >> mif they were 30 people maybe if they were 30 people arrested and we were concerned, concerned about the freedom of speech. >> yeah. we versions of this. >> yeah. we versions of this.

>> yeah. we versions of this. >> yeah . silly us. anyway, we're >> yeah. silly us. anyway, we're going to the guardian going to move on to the guardian now. finds forces cannot now. hmmis finds forces cannot explain disproportional stops of black so the stop and black people. so the stop and search story rolling louis. search story rolling on louis. >> , there's always >> yeah, well, there's always been stop and search historically . i been stop and search historically. i know been stop and search historically . i know you historically. i know you probably think there probably don't think there was, but this but there's always was. but this is majesty's spectre of the is her majesty's spectre of the consular police watchdog refuses to back up to back use of stop and search without suspicion. so they've been stopping thousands and thousands of people without suspicion. it happens be. suspicion. it happens to be. they're stopping a lot of black people, like 13 times more likely to stop black people . and likely to stop black people. and even me, who is like , i'm in even me, who is like, i'm in favour of draconian measures. i think it's wrong. >> so this is interesting because critics are saying that stop and search causes harm stop and search causes more harm than good. yeah, but then knife crime appears to have risen as stop and search has gone down, hasn't it? am i wrong about that? >> no, you're not. and statistically speaking , it's statistically speaking, it's mostly black people stabbing , mostly black people stabbing, stabbing each other. if london a couple of years ago overtook new york in terms murders, york in terms of the murders, that's mostly down to these

stabbings and the perpetrators and the victims are black. so this reminds me just to add this reminds me of, just to add the funny to this very solemn, sombre story . you know, dave sombre story. you know, dave chappelle's one of dave chappelle's one of dave chappelle's very famous , uh, chappelle's very famous, uh, 9395 chappelle's very famous, uh, gags talking about. chappelle's very famous, uh, gags talking about . and that's gags talking about. and that's the key sentence also mentioned here. you fit a description. so dave chappelle says, i wouldn't go to the police station to bail my friend out because they would say, while you're here, stay here because you fit a description and this is a problem of black community. problem of the black community. so to extent, it is so to some extent, well, it is acceptable, is predictable. i mean , you can imagine that if, mean, you can imagine that if, you know, you are a law abiding young man in london who young black man in london who gets aside by the police, gets pulled aside by the police, thatis gets pulled aside by the police, that is going to really annoy you and justifiably so. >> but as nicholas points out, louis, there is a problem because young black men are disproportionately represented in statistics . at in violent crime statistics. at the same time, they are also disproportionately the victims. right? it not serve that right? so does it not serve that community as well to implement it? >> serves it. but ever so slightly because it says out of every 100 stop and search, only

three of the people are found to have other have committed some other illegal action. that's not illegal action. so that's not even 10% the people. so it's even 10% of the people. so it's a very low level. the truth is, people do bad things white and black. i'm i'm defending black people. this goes against my trope . but they they do they trope. but they they do they they they it's like in new york they they it's like in new york they did this in new york where people were jumping over the turnstiles. yes. which is an illegal act. so they would arrest somebody for doing an illegal act. and when they arrested them, they found out that a large percentage of them had had, you know, warrants issued on them, had guns on them, had knives. right. this is they're just stopping innocent people hoping to find you don't know if he's innocent or not until a knife on them. until you find a knife on them. >> that's true. >> yeah, but that's true. >> yeah, but that's true. >> it's feels like >> i mean, it's it feels like presumed innocent. it's presuming a guy who the law. >> if they stopped people for breaking legitimate law, and they just found that they had been responsible for other laws. >> well, that's one thing. >> but. >> em— approach. >> that's the new york approach.

okay. guardian. >> president of 28 >> the president of cop 28 climate . uh, what's this climate summit. uh, what's this about, nicholas? what's going on? cop or standing for on? so cop or standing for conference of the parties? >> cop 28 president says his firm keep investing oil . firm will keep investing in oil. so just, uh, on wednesday this , so just, uh, on wednesday this, um, massive summit of world leaders and companies and activists and different parties as the cop stands for party gathered in dubai to work and deliberate, deliberate on the outcome . um, or towards outcome. um, or towards basically , uh, tackling the basically, uh, tackling the effects of climate change. okay. this all started in earnest from paris agreement in 2015. uh, and of course, it was a massive event. there were so many hopes and eventually they came up with this, um , agreement described as this, um, agreement described as historic and groundbreaking by also john kerry, us special envoy on, on, on the issue and so on. uh, because it, uh ,

so on. uh, because it, uh, encourages everyone to transition from fossil fuels to transition. >> they want from fossil. they want to get to net zero by 2050. >> yeah, they want to get to net zero by 2050, which is debateable and controversial, but critically , they want to but critically, they want to keep the so—called 1.5 c. but what is the point alive is the guy is the guy is an oil producer and he's at a conference which is trying to get rid of oil , and he's saying, get rid of oil, and he's saying, maybe we shouldn't get rid of it so fast. >> what are they saying? they're going to to retain some going to have to retain some fossil by the 2050. going to have to retain some fosrthe by the 2050. going to have to retain some fosrthe irony by the 2050. going to have to retain some fosrthe irony by tilost)50. going to have to retain some fosrthe irony by tilost on. >> the irony was not lost on people he uae depends on people because he uae depends on oil and obviously he has been credited as a very good president because he could sort of , uh, um, president because he could sort of, uh, um, basically play the bndge of, uh, um, basically play the bridge between those developing countries who are not so happy with this and those oil dependent countries whose only basically the green agenda. what is it about? let's take away from arabs their only source of

sustenance and well—being? what can go wrong with that? if you think arabs are angry now, imagine what will happen . imagine what will happen. >> do you know what? that's absolutely brilliant . absolutely brilliant. >> okay, let's not >> okay, louis, let's not thought of that. let's move on now. tony blair, back in the news again in the times. >> what's going here in the >> what's going on here in the times? blair accepted £1 times? tony blair accepted a £1 million before fox hunt ban. >> according to peter mandelson. >> according to peter mandelson. >> peter mandelson . >> according to peter mandelson. and actually, people about . and actually, people knew about. this before. i think it was listed in the documents or something. it wasn't like it wasn't, it wasn't i think i think the point here is that everyone knows that the political these everyone knows that the polidonations these everyone knows that the polidonations groups. se everyone knows that the pol the ations groups. se everyone knows that the poltheatiorthing groups. se everyone knows that the polthe atiorthing isgroups. se everyone knows that the polthe atiorthing is whether; >> the key thing is whether those donations are influencing decision making, making decision making, policy making and what peter said and what peter mandelson said here got pretty here is that this got pretty transactional. that was the phrase . so that is bad. >> but the is , i think if >> but the truth is, i think if i remember correctly at the time , against fox hunting , labour was against fox hunting because they care less because they could care less about the people in the countryside they were about the people in the countryzit. a they were about the people in the countryzit. so they were about the people in the countryzit. so is they were about the people in the countryzit. so is it ey were about the people in the countryzit. so is it is were about the people in the countryzit. so is it is it ere about the people in the countryzit. so is it is it kind against it. so is it is it kind of criminal to pay somebody money to go the direction you

money to go in the direction you want them to go? i think it is. >> don't if it's >> well, i don't know if it's criminal or not public, but ethical. nicholas, ethical. i mean, nicholas, i think is a problem if you think this is a problem if you change the change your manifesto on the bafis change your manifesto on the basis you the most basis of who gives you the most money, wedded to money, are you really wedded to your money, are you really wedded to you exactly as peter mandelson >> exactly as peter mandelson says, they they overdid this. they put it in their manifesto. and but they were they were going to do it anyway . well i'm going to do it anyway. well i'm not we don't know. >> i mean he's implying they weren't. >> well he said they overdid it. >> well he said they overdid it. >> they overdid it. yes. >> they overdid it. yes. >> they overdid it. so >> he said they overdid it. so they to do anyway. they were going to do it anyway. and £1 million. that's and you get £1 million. that's how. politics works . how. that's how politics works. >> people donate and carry politics. >> case. the campaigners were were on a loss. do you know what they shouldn't have? they should have kept their money. they shouldn't have? they should have ke see, ieir money. they shouldn't have? they should have ke see, lewis, ney. should >> you see, lewis, you should know about this because in america even worse. america it's even worse. in america, these big america, you have these big corporations donating to corporations donating money to the republicans. and the democrats, gets the republicans. and the de|theyits, gets the republicans. and the de|they want gets the republicans. and the de|they want to gets the republicans. and the de|they want to have gets the republicans. and the de|they want to have some gets the republicans. and the de|they want to have some kinds in, they want to have some kind of government. but in, they want to have some kind of least government. but in, they want to have some kind of least it's government. but in, they want to have some kind of least it's if|overnment. but in, they want to have some kind of least it's if it'srnment. but in, they want to have some kind of least it's if it's open1t. but in, they want to have some kind of least it's if it's open ,. but at least if it's if it's open, that's better. >> and this was open . here's the >> and this was open. here's the difference corruption . difference between corruption. they're paint this as they're trying to paint this as corruption, in a, corruption, corrupt in in a, in a, in an underdeveloped country is paying somebody to do their

job in a developed country . it's job in a developed country. it's paying job in a developed country. it's paying somebody not to do their job. and you're saying that they gave tony blair was given money to not know tony blair was given money he was going to do it anyway. >> okay. well, tony blair, to be fair, has not commented on peter mandelson's claim. we should make that clear. that is the end of join us part of part two. join us in part three when be discussing three when we'll be discussing natwest's independent review. the on diversity, equity the latest on diversity, equity and inclusion , and the political and inclusion, and the political impact chicken run. don't go

radio. >> welcome back to headliners. your first look at saturday's newspapers , the telegraph. now newspapers, the telegraph. now nigel farage has described the latest findings of a review into coote's decision to close his bank account as a work of fiction. nicholas natwest, de—banking findings, a work of fiction, says nigel farage. >> so all of us are familiar with the story. when nigel

farage lost his bank account with, uh, coutts, uh , which is with, uh, coutts, uh, which is a subsidiary of natwest. with, uh, coutts, uh, which is a subsidiary of natwest . um, and subsidiary of natwest. um, and then they have launched it. obviously it was a big national story because as farage rightly pointed out, if they can do this to me, a very prominent figure in british politics, imagine how and what they can do . well, and what they can do. well, worse than that. >> i mean, he had a subject access request which confirmed that was politically that this was politically motivated. was there were motivated. there was there were internal documents that pointed to that. but this finding has suggested that actually this isn't the case. yeah. what's going on? >> hence the a work of fiction. so i don't know they have so i don't know how they have come to this. they have come up to this. they have examined a certain number of, uh, 84 cases or actually 84 customers and 65 cases of closure . and they have found out closure. and they have found out that in none of these, this independent, uh, company that has been , uh, put in charge to has been, uh, put in charge to carry out this investigation has, has, has basically found

that, uh, in none of these cases, anybody's account has been shut down for political reasons or nigel farage is rightly sceptical about. >> i mean, the part of the problem with this, louis, surely, is that a lot of the times when this kind of thing goes on, not going to goes on, they're not going to leave trail. they're leave a paper trail. they're not going these going to leave these notes saying, let's blitz saying, oh, let's, let's blitz his because votes the his account because he votes the wrong farage wrong way with nigel farage slightly he's slightly different because he's a you can a public figure, and you can imagine talk imagine them wanting to talk more about it's more and more about it, but it's quite obvious, isn't it, that more and more these banks and more and more of these banks and corporations implementing corporations are implementing policies basis? corporations are implementing polwell, basis? corporations are implementing polwell, totally basis? corporations are implementing polwell, totally true, basis? corporations are implementing polwell, totally true, but.is? corporations are implementing polwell, totally true, but it's >> well, totally true, but it's not just that . it's and they are not just that. it's and they are they are the banks are bad. but who do they hire to do this? independent to get this independent report? >> well, who's >> well, someone who's independent presumably presumably . presumably. >> but not because i've >> but it's not because i've deau >> but it's not because i've dealt with i've dealt with these kind like the kind of situations like like the council in southwark hires a law firm does business with firm that does business with other councils, and they want more . so this this law more work. so this so this law firm, fox and whatever it is, they're, they're looking for more work. they're not going to bite know, they would say that

>> you know, they would say that they impartially they they did this impartially and couldn't and this they just couldn't reflect on because reflect poorly on them because they the same they haven't even got the same document that was presented to farage. >> what strange is that? >> what strange is that? >> those documents haven't featured this report. mean, featured in this report. i mean, that's that's that's quite that's quite damning, this is the damning, isn't it? this is the this those things this is one of those things that's , horrible about it's that's hard, horrible about it's a great country. >> louis shapovalov is this country who this country by kids who live in this country. but the fact is, is they hire these independent reporter an independent reporter to get an independent report. not report. and that guys, it's not independent and you can't trust them. >> you should get used to it. you would it shouldn't be anything. >> should just there >> this should just be there should of information should be freedom of information requests and there should be lawsuits and you should just go straight straight court. lawsuits and you should just go stréokay. straight court. lawsuits and you should just go stréokay.wellight court. lawsuits and you should just go stréokay. well there court. lawsuits and you should just go stréokay. well there we�*urt. lawsuits and you should just go stré okay. well there we rurt. so >> okay. well there we go. so uh, louis litigious schaefer there with his. >> and there should be the death penalty. >> the death penalty? thanks for that, louis. the telegraph that, louis. okay, the telegraph now and the commons culture select committee. what's this now and the commons culture selec'about? ittee. what's this now and the commons culture selec'about? yeah. what's this now and the commons culture selec'about? yeah. new's this now and the commons culture selec'about? yeah. new bbc s story about? yeah. new bbc chairman the strength to chairman lacks the strength to stand up to the bosses. >> says says mps. and it's sort of. >> this is samir shah who's been appointed . appointed. >> he's been appointed the head

of the bbc. and the other guy was was named sharp. whatever the guy's name, richard sharp . the guy's name, richard sharp. and this the parliament and this is the parliament basically giving basically approving of the new bbc. it's sort of like layers of independence . but the truth is independence. but the truth is the bbc guy is a point. well, we don't know. >> do it like he's just been appointed chairman . we don't appointed chairman. we don't know. it seems a bit know. like it seems a bit premature doesn't it, to start making his making judgements about his performance making judgements about his performan> it isn't because they asked him they what him questions. they said what do you about he you think about this? and he said, how do said, i can't say. so how do you. he's basically they're you. yeah he's basically they're saying he's basically being a worm, he's maybe not being a worm, but he's maybe not being a worm. he's just i just think it's all a bit early to say , you it's all a bit early to say, you know, know. know, we don't know. >> know how he's going >> we don't know how he's going to it is you ask, try to to it is you ask, you try to find out the guy the find out what the guy the fact is the state. find out what the guy the fact is well,e state. find out what the guy the fact is well, states. find out what the guy the fact is well, state media company. >> well, state media company. >> well, state media company. >> said he has suggested >> he has said he has suggested that may have that gary lineker has may have breached bbc guidelines, may have the whole world agrees on that. >> well right. >> well right. >> okay. but he's saying something least you know. but something at least you know. but but nicholas, it not but but but nicholas, is it not fair give him fair that we should give him some time first? >> yes and no, because he

>> um, yes and no, because he has given time in this has been given some time in this interview and these mps of the culture select committee has have have been quite disappointed to say, quote, he's been unwilling to express his view on important issues such as board interference and board level interference and political impartiality. if political impartiality. so if you don't want if you go to this interview and know kind interview and you know what kind of going be of questions you're going to be asked to asked and you're reluctant to give an idea of what you give them an idea of what you think on such a core stone issues . issues. >> well, okay. fair enough. well, we'll we'll see how that develops. move on develops. we're going to move on to now. and women in to the times now. and women in law, nicholas, women still struggle to get seats at top table of law firms. >> so again , uh, that's right >> so again, uh, that's right isn't it. >> there are fewer fewer top lawyers in the country are female . and that's. female. and that's. >> but the question is who's fault? is that the patriarchy? or maybe choices and decisions. so we live this era of so we live in a this era of eqtu so we live in a this era of equity instead of equality and equality of opportunities. uh excuse me, equality of outcome is more important for the left

and the woke rather than equality of opportunity. >> so you put this down to a woke idea. >> exactly. so. so who is to say that women are , are are not that women are, are are not sitting at the top level? we were talking about law firms and the big law firms and the so—called top tier or full eqtu so—called top tier or full equity partners. these are partners on top of big law firms in london, especially where they have which means they have equity, which means they are also owners or part owners of the firms as opposed to salaried and salaried employees and solicitors or and the point is being a top , top lawyer is such being a top, top lawyer is such a time consuming thing. >> you don't have time for your family and your friends. i know about because about the law thing because my son about to son was thinking about going to law . law school. >> you saying, >> so what are you saying, lewis? are just lewis? that women are just choosing not to pursue careers? >> i say that >> probably. i would say that that's that's what it is. it's >> it's either that or >> well, it's either that or there a sexism the there is a sexism within the appointment want assume >> well, they want to assume that in the that there's sexism in the appointment but the appointment position, but the truth is, there's so much truth is, is there's so much work that be done to be work that needs to be done to be a l work that needs to be done to be a , especially from a lawyer, especially from america, that work hours

america, that they work 84 hours a you saying a week. are you saying that women are lazy? >> i'm saying that women would rather, they have kids, rather, if they have kids, they'd be home some more they'd rather be home some more often . often. >> they'd rather be home with their kids. irony is that their kids. the irony is that in jordan says this as well. >> the irony is that if you look at the countries that give the highest level choice to women highest level of choice to women like scandinavian countries, ironically women tend to go more into the so—called traditional or womanly jobs, such as nursing or womanly jobs, such as nursing or teaching or taking care of their kids. and nowadays , their kids. and nowadays, harvard has been in the vortex of this whole scandal over the, you know, the anti—semitic chants and genocide and all that . and 1 or 2 of their presidents , uh, have had to resign . , uh, have had to resign. interestingly enough, the first ever president of harvard university who had to resign was a gentleman named lawrence summers, who had to resign because he dared to say, look, if in some tough science or pure scientific branches programs, we don't have enough women or they are not equal, it's because of

choice. >> careful . are we going to have >> careful. are we going to have to resign? >> i think you might, louis. i think we need women on this think we need more women on this panel particularly panel anyway. well, particularly when you're on. the when you're on. okay, the telegraph now, enough, uh, revelations about aviva louis. we covered this last night, but you had quite a few things to say about aviva. what's the development here? >> well, the development is, is that people are working that people who are working in the i don't the city where aviva is, i don't know where even they're headquartered. know where even they're he norwich,'ed. there's an in norwich, because there's an insurance company. it's an insurance company. it's an insurance i have insurance company, which i have a is the woman who was a policy is the woman who was head of insurance policy. head of the insurance policy. she said that men she said that any time a white man is up for a big position, she wants to know about it. >> this was amanda blanc, the chief executive of aviva. she had effectively had to sign off, effectively sign off any appointment of a white male. and i said last night that she that she should be fired from her job. >> you did. it's so, so racist. and the company should be boycotted and i don't and i'm not sure that i'm going to stand by that. i'm going to change my mind on that. is that is that you were so strident last night.

>> i was strident, and now you're you wrong. you're saying you were wrong. >> because it's >> i was wrong because it's a private if i think it's private company. if i think it's a company and they have a private company and they have and she's just an employee, she's head , she's the ceo. >> if you're going to do this ceo. >> ifof)u're going to do this ceo. >> ifof)u're gface to do this ceo. >> ifof)u're gface from» this ceo. >> ifof)u're gface from one; kind of about face from one night to the next, how can anyone opinions? >> they trust anything >> they can't trust anything that i say. i don't trust what i say. shouldn't trust say. you shouldn't trust anything says. say. you shouldn't trust anythirgot says. say. you shouldn't trust anythirgot trust says. say. you shouldn't trust anythirgot trust sown thing. that's the sensible >> that's the only sensible thing said, i think. thing you've said, i think. >> that should not >> i think that she should not be fired today, but tomorrow you'll probably say she should be no, because i think the company be boycotted and company should be boycotted and put business. so that put out of business. so that 22,000 employees are have lose their jobs. and every , every. their jobs. and every, every. that's too much . okay. that's too much. okay. >> you're stopping yourself now . >> you're stopping yourself now. well, that'll. well that's fine. nicholas what do you think make of all this. >> does that make sense? >> does that make sense? >> complements our previous story very well. not about story very well. it's not about equality of opportunity. it's not even about women. sometimes it's out war on it's just about all out war on men especially white men. men and especially white men. so. and this is quite telling . so. and this is quite telling. and of course, she ignores , um,

and of course, she ignores, um, a lot of other because when you, when you forget about the colour of skin and gender, the socioeconomic factors come in and no less than the mr paul johnson, director of the institute for fiscal studies, funnily and poignantly once said, choosing your parents is becoming ever more important . becoming ever more important. and obviously you can't choose your parents. but the irony, the point is that it's not about being white or male or female in this business, among other ones. it's about what background you come from. so you can why can't it just be a meritocracy? >> why can't it just be? who is the best for the job? >> if i were about equality >> if i were all about equality of but if i were of outcome, but if i were a white person, wouldn't want to white person, i wouldn't want to give any money aviva because give any money to aviva because they wouldn't hire me. they wouldn't hire my son. if i was a white person, they wouldn't hire my brother. they might do. why would anyone in their right mind who who is? and you know who is who is? and you know something? if they didn't do this with black people , i'm sure this with black people, i'm sure white would go, i don't white people would go, i don't

like way they treat black like the way they treat black people. racist . i'm people. this is a racist. i'm not saying it's a racist company, but you just said it was company . company, but you just said it was company. did i say that? >> yeah. so no, you're saying this policy was racist. >> policy racist, right? this policy was racist. >> but policy racist, right? this policy was racist. >> but it's.icy racist, right? this policy was racist. >> but it's not racist, right? this policy was racist. >> but it's not racist right? this policy was racist. >> but it's not racist company >> but it's not a racist company . well, but she should be fired and fired. and she shouldn't be fired. >> saying it's racist >> but i'm saying it's a racist policy. if a company has policy. and if a company has racist policy is that means you should not do business with companies. >> that's fair enough. we got there in the end. >> wallets. they should vote there in the end. >> vtheir s. they should vote there in the end. >> vtheir writing.;hould vote there in the end. >> vtheir writing. byuld vote there in the end. >> vtheir writing. by louis te with their writing. by louis schaefer's calendar and cancel your schaefer's calendar and cancel youthat's bad advice by michael . >> that's bad advice by michael. >> that's bad advice by michael. >> okay, we're we're going to finish daily finish this section with a daily mail chicken run story. i mail now a chicken run story. i saw when it first saw chicken run when it first came out. this is the sequel though, nicholas. >> the sequel. >> right. this is the sequel. dawn the nuggets. dawn of the nuggets. >> the nuggets . >> dawn of the nuggets. >> dawn of the nuggets. >> olds watching >> ten year olds watching chicken or dawn of the chicken run two or dawn of the nuggets . um, insist won't nuggets. um, insist it won't make them give up chicken nuggets , despite vegan activists nuggets, despite vegan activists claiming the film would turn audiences . audiences. >> but apparently the plot of this is about chickens locked up who are going to be turned into

nuggets . nuggets. >> and most of them do. um, apparently some of them break away, escape. apparently some of them break awethere's escape. apparently some of them break awethere's an escape. apparently some of them break awethere's an escape scene, so >> there's an escape scene, so this is i mean, louis, how could this is i mean, louis, how could this could kids watch this this how could kids watch this and eat and think, oh, i want to eat these delightful, cute plasticine chickens? >> interesting when >> well, it's interesting when i was there was was a child, there was a programme which had a character who chops. who was called lamb chops. yes. and a cute little and it was a lamb, a cute little lamb called chops, is lamb called lamb chops, which is like , which is what you do to like, which is what you do to a lamb. you it. lamb. you kill it. >> this make you upset? >> doesn't this make you upset? i a you're a big i mean, you're a you're a big carnivore. like, know, carnivore. it's like, you know, there's there's a bacon there's a there's a bacon product there's a pig product where there's a pig cartoon pig selling it on like a, like a mascot. you think i don't trust that pig? why is that pig telling you to eat other pigs? i mean, kind of other pigs? i mean, what kind of psychopathic monster is this? >> well, do you wonder something that's western world that's the way the western world is. with loaded with is. it's filled with loaded with self—hate. themselves. is. it's filled with loaded with self hate e. themselves. is. it's filled with loaded with selihate our. themselves. is. it's filled with loaded with selihate our. hate hemselves. is. it's filled with loaded with selihate our. hate hemwestern we hate our. we hate the western world. own country. world. we hate our own country. >> pigs. pigs sell >> yeah, pigs. pigs who sell bacon or like, you know, men who sell out fellow men to suck up to feminists. know, we all to feminists. you know, we all have . well, workplace. have them. well, workplace. >> that what okay, >> is that what it is? okay, interesting . chicken two. interesting. chicken run two. >> say glad we got

>> i didn't say glad we got there anyway. >> you didn't say that. >> no, you didn't say that. lewis wasn't your lewis that one wasn't your fault. for what? but coming up in final section, in the final section, we're going discussing going to be discussing the luckiest the world. luckiest gardener in the world. how christmas veggies are bad for and why the for the planet, and why the black death led to our love of junk food. don't go

welcome back to headliners your first look at saturday's newspapers , the sun now and newspapers, the sun now and a story about handbags. louis >> yeah, billionaire hermes boss hermes. hermes boss adopting his 51 year old gardener to leave him $5 billion handbag fortune after row with family. >> oh that's brutal. >> oh that's brutal. >> so this is a company called you say it's hermes. >> i thought it was hermes. >> i thought it was hermes. >> no, i don't think it's not hermes. >> is this like you americans with herbal tea? it be with herbal tea? it should be herbal with herbal tea? it should be her here , here. here's his, uh, >> here, here. here's his, uh, his louis schaefer, a twitter and let him let him know.

>> okay, so he's basically this guy 9°t >> okay, so he's basically this guy got massive guy who's got this massive multi—million dollar corporation. left it all to corporation. he's left it all to a gardener, to a to a gardener who's moroccan origin. >> the moroccan guy >> he's got a the moroccan guy has spanish wife kids, has a spanish wife and kids, and he's been fooling around or something. it must be some kind of gay stuff going on. it's very similar. >> know that don't just >> know that louis, don't just assume there's some sort of gaming. >> probably very to gaming. >> way)robably very to gaming. >> way iobably very to gaming. >> way i treaty very to gaming. >> way i treat you.y to gaming. >> way i treat you. hoping too get. >> you want legacy ? >> you want my legacy? >> you want my legacy? >> i want to be your your adopted child. >> well, already in my >> well, you're already in my will, don't worry about that. >> well, you're already in my wiliand don't worry about that. >> well, you're already in my wiliand he'st worry about that. >> well, you're already in my wiliand he's going' about that. >> well, you're already in my wiliand he's going to )0ul that. >> well, you're already in my wiliand he's going to get that. >> well, you're already in my wiliand he's going to get $4.5. >> and he's going to get $4.5 billion billion. >> what a lucky gardener nicholas. >> it's a it's a fascinating story. it reminds me of a 2019 movie called knives out with daniel craig. and i. i remember that movie very well because in daniel craig plays an american detective from the south with a tags , an accent. right. so it's tags, an accent. right. so it's a story of a very famous, very successful author who has a feud going on. he doesn't like any of his family , so he bequeaths all his family, so he bequeaths all his family, so he bequeaths all his legacy to his carer.

>> yes, that's right. >> yes, that's right. >> again, an american or south american. >> i think this happens a lot, nicholas. i think a lot of people sometimes rich people, they annoyed, they say, i'll they get annoyed, they say, i'll leave the local cattery. leave it to the local cattery. you as a way to get you know, as a way to get revenge on family. i think revenge on the family. i think that's reasonable thing. that's a reasonable thing. >> should. no, >> yeah. which should. no, it should illegal. illegal? should be illegal. illegal? yeah. do what you want yeah. actually. do what you want with your can't with your money, can't you? >> you should >> no, i don't think you should because kids and because you have kids and you the get them. the kids should get them. >> to put up with that with. >> are you going to leave your money favourite child money to your favourite child and one out? and then cut the other one out? >> no. because >> no, no, no no. because because alternate who my because i alternate who my favourite is. you favourite child is. you do, don't i don't any of don't you? i don't like any of you a gardener. don't you? i don't like any of youi a gardener. don't you? i don't like any of youi a andieneh don't you? i don't like any of youi a andie don't have a gardener. >> and you say it's so easy to get billion. who what get 4.5 billion. who knows what this had to get the this guy had to do to get the 4.5 billion? he had sex 4.5 billion? he had to have sex with i mean, you with an 80 year old. i mean, you have us gay guys, it means have to us gay guys, it means nothing. it means nothing to maybe cut a deal. an 80 year old guy, because we like guys . but guy, because we like guys. but if don't like guys cuddling if you don't like guys cuddling an 80 year old guy, that's lot. >> so. so he earned his money. is what you're suggesting probably earned. we know

probably earned. we don't know how money. let's not how he got that money. let's not speculate. okay? move on speculate. okay? let's move on to now. the black to the daily mail now. the black death, upbeat death, what a lovely, upbeat story. what's about? nicholas >> um . is this. >> um. is this. >> um. is this. >> yeah, i think it says louis el tel. oh, no. louis has got this one. sorry, i apologise, i'll tell it. yeah you tell it, louis. >> it's a love junk food. blame the black death. black death? scientists claim plague that killed 60% european europeans killed 60% of european europeans changed our mouth. bacteria. this is one of those stories. >> what do you mean, one of those stories? >> it's one of those stories thatis >> it's one of those stories that is bound bliss and boundless in the emptiness of fact. >> it's. you mean it's just useless? >> it's totally. >> it's totally. >> it's totally. >> i mean, what are they saying? that basically death that basically the black death generated conditions whereby generated the conditions whereby we appetite for we developed an appetite for mcdonald's. how does this work? >> it's it's. it says >> it's saying it's. but it says basically is modern microbiomes in the mouth. yes. right. are unked in the mouth. yes. right. are linked to a wide range of chronic diseases, including obesity, cardiovasc , ocular obesity, cardiovasc, ocular disease and poor mental health. >> yep. it's got nothing to do with black death, but it does because it says it says the

survivors the second plague survivors of the second plague pandemic incomes pandemic earned higher incomes and afforded higher calorie foods. >> right, right. so that they don't have the same germs that the people who died from it. and because they were able to eat different foods which are higher in fat or whatever, it's total bull. >> this is a non—story , as you >> this is a non—story, as you would put it, a nicholas. would you agree? this is just silly? yeah >>i yeah >> i yield my time to the chair. >> i yield my time to the chair. >> yeah. yeah, absolutely. no, let's move on. because i don't like this story. i'm going to go on star. on to the daily star. >> now, hear, hear >> now, you hear, you hear microbiome, should zone vegetables. >> who's got story for >> who's got this story for christmas >> who's got this story for ctheah s >> who's got this story for ctheah , it's my turn now. 1 in >> yeah, it's my turn now. 1 in 5 brits don't realise environmental impact. their christmas day veggies can have so basically they just want us to eat insects . it's so so basically they just want us to eat insects. it's so bad. is that what it is? they just want arabs to lose their only source of income. that's brilliant. and they us to eat grasshoppers they want us to eat grasshoppers and cricket. i mean, no, but they're saying that it's for

dunng they're saying that it's for during farming and during the farming and distribution during the farming and distvegetables particularly >> vegetables are particularly guilty producing. guilty of producing. >> yeah, well, life is guilty of having a carbon footprint eventually . i mean, they just eventually. i mean, they just want to feel as guilty in this houday want to feel as guilty in this holiday as well. and holiday season as well. and grinches, that's what it is . grinches, that's what it is. >> bah humbug. it's not good enough. well, look, the show is almost over. but we do have time to take another look at to take another quick look at saturday's pages. the saturday's front pages. so the daily leading with half saturday's front pages. so the daily christmas ading with half saturday's front pages. so the daily christmas .iing with half saturday's front pages. so the daily christmas . high vith half saturday's front pages. so the daily christmas . high street lf price christmas. high street stores are struggling to get people to buy. telegraph has sadiq khan blocks cars for ukraine scheme. the times is leading with rise of the month long wait just to see your gp. the guardian is running with great day for truth. prince harry has won his hacking case against the mirror group to great fanfare . the mirror has great fanfare. the mirror has a question of sport axe. they're saying goodbye to that famous sporting show on bbc and the daily star. what a spuddy outrage! which some nonsense about mr potato head. so that's all we've got time for. thank

you ever so much to my guests, louis schaefer and nicholas de santo. i'm going back santo. i'm going to be back tomorrow with louis and cressida. watching tomorrow with louis and cr

slightly cooler start. but elsewhere it's likely to be a very mild start to the weekend, particularly areas very mild start to the weekend, pa scotland. areas very mild start to the weekend, pascotland. however areas very mild start to the weekend, pascotland. however hereeas very mild start to the weekend, pascotland. however here it; of scotland. however here it will be quite a windy and wet day throughout saturday we'll see the rain really start to persist into the afternoon. further south, still staying largely dry but cloudy and i think it will be a windier day than today out there. tomorrow and temperatures again around 11 or 12 degrees. so on the milder side of things for this time of yearin side of things for this time of year in the far north of scotland through sunday, the rain will continue. it turns particularly heavy from saturday night and will persist all the way through sunday monday way through sunday into monday as well. so there is an amber warning force . we could warning in force. we could see as rain, which as much as 200mm of rain, which does bring a risk of landslides. that rain will sink southwards through monday and that will allow some cooler air to arrive from north. from the north. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on .

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latest news headlines . latest news headlines. >> you're with gb news. i'm sam francis in the gb newsroom. the headunes francis in the gb newsroom. the headlines at seven. prince harry has said it's a great day for truth and accountability. that's as he was awarded more than £140,000 in damages over phone hacking claims against a tabloid newspaper group, the high court has ruled that there was extensive phone hacking by the mirror group newspapers between 2006 and 2011. in response , the 2006 and 2011. in response, the publisher says they apologise unreservedly for any historical wrongdoing . the judge also said wrongdoing. the judge also said journalists were involved in phone hacking at the time. piers morgan worked for the daily mirror, but the former editor claims he has never hacked a phone or told anyone else to hack phone. as for him saying hack a phone. as for him saying this is a good day truth , this is a good day for truth, the has repeatedly the duke has been repeatedly exposed in recent years as someone who wouldn't know the truth if it slapped him around