headunes. latest news headlines. >> you're with gb news. i'm sam francis in the gb newsroom. the headunes francis in the gb newsroom. the headlines at seven. prince harry has said it's a great day for truth and accountability. that's as he was awarded more than £140,000 in damages over phone hacking claims against a tabloid newspaper group, the high court has ruled that there was extensive phone hacking by the mirror group newspapers between 2006 and 2011. in response , the 2006 and 2011. in response, the publisher says they apologise unreservedly for any historical wrongdoing . the judge also said wrongdoing. the judge also said journalists were involved in phone hacking at the time. piers morgan worked for the daily mirror, but the former editor claims he has never hacked a phone or told anyone else to hack phone. as for him saying hack a phone. as for him saying this is a good day truth , this is a good day for truth, the has repeatedly the duke has been repeatedly exposed in recent years as someone who wouldn't know the truth if it slapped him around

his california tanned face, he demands accountability for the press, but to accept any press, but refuses to accept any for himself for smearing the royal family, his own family , as royal family, his own family, as a bunch of callous racists without producing a shred of proof to support those disgraceful claims . as 1 million disgraceful claims. as 1 million homes here in the uk could face significant council tax rises as more local authorities face serious gaps in their funding, bradford , cheshire and bradford, cheshire and middlesbrough councils have all announced that they're at risk of effective bankruptcy. it comes a group of six labour comes as a group of six labour mayors called for more emergency funding. they say the government's plan to give £64 billion to councils over the next year won't cover rising costs or demand, but rishi sunak has said that he's put record funding into local areas like middlesbrough over the past yeah middlesbrough over the past year. on average, councils are having about 10% more money to spend this year than they had the year before . the year before. >> and actually, middlesbrough council has even more than that, more national average. more than the national average. and is just and unfortunately, this is just another of a labour run

another example of a labour run council that's doing a bad job for residents. for its residents. >> mismanaging >> it's mismanaging its finances. you know finances. and actually, you know , that's example of what you finances. and actually, you know , th when example of what you finances. and actually, you know , th when labour)le of what you finances. and actually, you know , th when labour in of what you finances. and actually, you know , th when labour in charget you finances. and actually, you know , th when labour in charge andj get when labour in charge and police have said that there's no evidence of third party involvement after a body was found in a river during their search for a missing mother of three, lord went missing three, gaynor lord went missing in norwich last friday. >> say that the body hasn't >> they say that the body hasn't been formally identified , but been formally identified, but her been informed . her family have been informed. the police force say that they remain open minded about the circumstances her circumstances of her disappearance and will pursue all lines of inquiry. this disappearance and will pursue all lines of inquiry . this is gb all lines of inquiry. this is gb news. we're across the uk on your tv in your car, digital radio and on your smart speaker. now though , back to lee anderson i >> welcome to lee anderson's real world. and tonight i'm joined by former conservative mp jonathan aitken. jonathan, thanks for coming on the show tonight. great to see you my friend. look author, priest,

former conservative mp, festive time of the year. please explain to me how important the nativity plays are that we're going to see throughout the schools in this country at this particular time. >> i think the nativity plays are important. they tell a wonderful story . a story wonderful story. a story originates in luke's gospel, but all these shepherds , angels, the all these shepherds, angels, the birth of a child, wise men , its birth of a child, wise men, its marvellous sort of theatrical stuff, but it's also got a deep spiritual message . i wonder how spiritual message. i wonder how many five year olds actually absorb the spiritual message, but still , it's all absorb the spiritual message, but still, it's all part of the christian faith. it's all part of the historical tradition . so of the historical tradition. so i think we should encourage nativity plays. >> please tell me, jonathan, how you get the faith, because i don't got the faith. i class myself as an atheist. i would love to have the faith . i would love to have the faith. i would love to have the faith. i would love to have the faith. i would love to think that there is a better place awaiting us when we when we leave this earth. how do you get that faith? >> well, i got it sort of by

accident , and it's very accident, and it's very difficult to explain , john. but difficult to explain, john. but first of all, the message is of faith and hope are all around us, and they're like wavelengths. do you tune in and do they mean something to you or not? if they do, in my case, i came to faith really through failure . um, i once , like you, failure. um, i once, like you, had a good, promising political career. i was in the cabinet and so on, and then my world fell apart because of my own mistakes. yep. went to prison and while in prison, i am didn't sort of have any instant conversion . but i did go back to conversion. but i did go back to some of those old messages , like some of those old messages, like the nativity plays and started to think and read the bible and started to believe that maybe there was something in all this. and then i said, no, no, this is a foxhole conversion. i'm just in trouble. i'm just praying. but gradually, gradually . see, but gradually, gradually. see, god calls , god speaks, and how god calls, god speaks, and how he does. >> when you say he speaks,

jonathan, does he just pop up on your and have a quick your shoulder and have a quick word or are imagining things word or are you imagining things because , um, i want him to speak because, um, i want him to speak to me, and i guess there's people watching this show want god to speak to them. how does he speak to you? >> it's different in >> well, it's different in different cases, but a familiar way that he speaks to you is often either a time everything's going rather wrong in your life, and maybe you're suffering from and maybe you're suffering from a bereavement or something like that, and god is a god of compassion, and he often speaks in moments when we need compassion and now how does he speak ? perfectly. good question . speak? perfectly. good question. um, which there isn't a need speak english. well, he talks in the language we understand , the language we understand, which may not be necessarily through linguistics . it may be through linguistics. it may be through linguistics. it may be through feelings, it may be through feelings, it may be through emotions. yeah, but, um, i mean, the most astonishing time god ever spoke to me long after i'd come out of prison, i

was quite successful again as an author and all kinds of things. and suddenly i started to hear this whisper in my ear. i want you to be an ordained priest. and i said back , if it's you and i said back, if it's you speaking god , please stop speaking god, please stop talking such rubbish. i'd be a very bad priest. um, and then he nagged away through sort of murmurs and then changed it and said, actually, i meant i wanted you to be a prison chaplain . you to be a prison chaplain. now, that actually made me wake up, because, you know, most people well, not most people. >> jonathan, i want to be fair here. a lot of people listen to this, but would say that if you're hearing things in your voices, yes, your head, then voices, yes, in your head, then probably should see probably should go and see somebody. they're talking somebody. well they're talking rubbish there are rubbish because there are different of voices. different kinds of voices. >> um, i mean, we all have >> yeah. um, i mean, we all have the of love. for example. the voices of love. for example. well, shouldn't we hear well, um, why shouldn't we hear the a spiritual murmur the voices of a spiritual murmur 7 the voices of a spiritual murmur ? and it's not quite as similar. i mean, i wasn't sort of on the telephone god, but i heard

telephone to god, but i heard things sort of saying mysterious murmurs saying, i want you to a priest. i said, rubbish. yeah theni priest. i said, rubbish. yeah then i heard murmurs . it's sort then i heard murmurs. it's sort of in the heart saying, i actually think you should be a prison. >> is it god, though, or is it just your conscience or or is it the same thing ? the same thing? >> um, you know, i think, well, it's a very good question. who put conscience into us? nobody can answer that question . that's can answer that question. that's true. um, and maybe it's god. and there are all kinds of ways the voice of god is heard. and i'm actually amazed now to be a prison chaplain wearing a dog collar. incredible can't tell you how much of a surprise that is to me. but poacher turned gamekeeper sort of thing, isn't it? if i can say it? well, yeah, if i can say that, um , jesus christ, if he that, um, jesus christ, if he was roaming the planet today and he was standing for re—election , he was standing for re—election, would he be in the tory party or the labour party? neither he was clever enough when he was around to avoid political questions.

rather skilfully, he was asked once a complicated question about taxation . when shown about taxation. when shown a coin , and asked a question about coin, and asked a question about tax and he replied famous words from the gospels render unto caesar the things that are caesar's. render unto god the things that are god's meaning. he wasn't going to get into the business of politics or taxation i >> -- >> what does that mean? well you can probably well have a view without having a vote or a political voice. >> yeah, and his calling was at a higher calling than , uh, the a higher calling than, uh, the traidcraft of politics. so he wasn't going to have anything to do with it, and rightly so. >> so you think you keep firmly away from politics? and away from politics? yes. and what about the, uh, when he when he cleared the moneylenders what about the, uh, when he when hethe ared the moneylenders what about the, uh, when he when hethe out the moneylenders what about the, uh, when he when hethe out ofe moneylenders what about the, uh, when he when hethe out of the oneylenders what about the, uh, when he when hethe out of the house nders what about the, uh, when he when hethe out of the house ofars what about the, uh, when he when hethe out of the house of god? of the out of the house of god? what was all that about? >> course , because >> well, of course, because let's let's be honest, the church are pretty quick now on sunday. >> but not that. yeah. and, um, taking in thousands of pounds every sunday. >> well, i don't think that's money changing, but what he was

objecting to was, um , really objecting to was, um, really sin? i mean , god hates sin. sin? i mean, god hates sin. whatever kind it is. and the money changers and the temple were. yeah um, what i think might be regarded now as extremely dodgy and corrupt market traders. they were selling doves to be sacrificed or higher priced things . and he or higher priced things. and he just said, this has no place in my father's house, the temple. so he he lost his his own temper for the first and only time in the gospels. and cleared them out. um, but he's against sin in the sin of sort of corrupt extortion by selling things in the temple was wrong in his view. >> so christmas morning people will be getting up, children will be getting up, children will be getting up, children will be getting up very, very early because they're going to be excited . and for would say be excited. and for i would say we christian country we live in a christian country still, probably one of the still, but probably one of the last things on people's minds , last things on people's minds, most people's minds, jonathan, when they get up christmas morning , how can we morning is christ, how can we change that ?

change that? >> well, first of all, that's not necessarily true. for example, first thing on christmas morning, what i'm doing at 9:00 is being in pentonville prison, taking the service and preaching or giving a talk. now, i assure you, the guys who come along to that service strange though it may seem, some of them at least are highly receptive to a christian message there. whatever the bad things they've done, they're often deeply unhappy to be separated from their families . separated from their families. some of them may have remorse , some of them may have remorse, some of them may not, of course, but still there is a place, even on early christmas morning, for reflecting and thinking. we see some of these, these especially the violent criminals and the horrible criminals, the ones that do long jail terms. >> all of a sudden they go into prison after committing these horrible crimes, sometimes come out in and out and go back in again and commit horrible commit these horrible crimes again in and then find god again in and then they find god isn't that little bit isn't that a little bit convenient? jonathan yes, for some of these people, it would be true. be if that was true.

>> actually a lot of people >> and actually a lot of people said it. i think about me at the time how very convenient. so and i don't think that's still saying it some 25 years later, but maybe they are , but it but maybe they are, but it doesn't matter at all. um, because, uh , first of all, god because, uh, first of all, god knows the secrets of all our hearts. think of the worst criminal you can imagine, even that person. no one has fallen so low and so bad that they fall beneath the reach of god's grace . so even those people who have done. >> i struggle with that one. jonathan. we're going to leave it there for the being, it there for the time being, because been a outbreak because there's been a outbreak of socialism in the we've of socialism in the room. we've got danchuk. going to got simon danchuk. he's going to join a moment the yes join us in a moment for the yes or quiz . so now it's time for or no quiz. so now it's time for the yes or no quiz. we've got simon danczuk a firm favourite on show. welcome back on this show. welcome back simon. got jonathan. simon. and we've got jonathan. he's with dead he's still with us. dead easy. you rules . it's he's still with us. dead easy. you rules. it's a yes you know the rules. it's a yes or no answer. no slippery or evasive it's got to be evasive answers. it's got to be yes so we're coming up to yes or no. so we're coming up to christmas, gents, for the first question. christmas day , will

question. christmas day, will you pray? yes definitely yes. okay for you, jonathan, a political question should we introduce pr voting ? no no, no, introduce pr voting? no no, no, i like that answer. simon christmas is a time when people eat a little bit too much. i'm looking at me and you. we probably had a little bit too much. we're going to get much. and we're going to get fatter. and on althaea, fatter. yeah. and on althaea, should have a tax on junk should we have a tax on junk food? no, no . that's it. food? no, no. that's it. >> and number four, jonathan, have you been a good little boy this year? >> try and see. >> try and see. >> slipped up. >> slipped up. >> yes , absolutely. >> yes, absolutely. >> yes, absolutely. >> oh you've slipped up as well. so yes. absolutely. is not a correct answer. it's got to be a yes or no. this is quite pathetic . um, yes or no. this is quite pathetic. um, and yes or no. this is quite pathetic . um, and fifth and pathetic. um, and fifth and final question , simon, can we final question, simon, can we get the rwanda plan to work? >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> no . >> no. >> no. >> so i make that actually free for all. >> so that's not bad.

>> so that's not bad. >> actually, you've got four out of five. >> i say it's not bad. it's actually not very good at all because i mean, the quiz is dead easy. there's easy. yes or no? yes. there's no right wrong answers. it's. right or wrong answers. so it's. yeah. so do want to go back yeah. so do you want to go back on jonathan. one of the on one jonathan. one of the questions. guess as a vicar >> well i guess as a vicar i better go to question and better go to question one and say christmas day. wonderful day . for anybody who's got a faith to thank god for coming to this world and to say a few prayers for those who love, those who are in trouble, those who a need . and i will do that happily and joyfully. >> will you pray for me ? yes, we >> will you pray for me? yes, we pray for simon. yes, simon. >> thank you. well, i'll come back on number five. the rwanda, rwanda plan has to be made to work. i mean , your government work. i mean, your government has to get it through and make it happen, you know, so we've seen this week in the house of commons the vote actually went through the, the new bill. through for the, the new bill. >> now my, my, um, theory if you like or my reasoning to support

the second reading was yeah, the bill's not there in in in total. and we need to strengthen it to, and to vote against the second reading. but he just kicked it out straight we to out straight away. we need to take what we've got and then go through debate now through a proper debate now and try strengthen try and strengthen and strengthen to make strengthen the bill to make sure that because that it does work, because there's point at all, simon, there's no point at all, simon, is voting for something is there voting for something that work? that doesn't work? >> absolutely . we've >> no, absolutely. and we've been but the been there before, but the public, the majority of the pubuc public, the majority of the public to work and public want this to work and want to happen. so it's the want it to happen. so it's the will of the people. parliament has sovereignty. got to has sovereignty. you've got to make , i think. make it happen, i think. >> is it a non—christian thing? jonathan no no, i don't think rwanda? no no, i don't think it's unchristian . it's unchristian. >> um, if i'd been still in the house of commons, i'd have had exactly the same attitude as you. just voiced. i'd have voted for second reading. i'd have tried to improve it. the reason i think it's going to have great difficulty working is because of the legal challenges, are the legal challenges, which are likely still to tie it up, but i likely still to tie it up, but i like to be proved wrong . like to be proved wrong. >> well, there you go, gents.

for all in the quiz. that's. i think you've done better than that before, simon. >> i'll try. >> em- em— e was getting the >> i thought he was getting the hang this, but a good first hang of this, but a good first effort from jonathan. do effort from jonathan. look, do not coming up not go away because coming up after we've got the after the break, we've got the award winning songwriter and singer .

gb news radio. >> welcome back to lee anderson's real world. we've got a bit of a legend in the building today. jonah. louis, you wrote a song. jonah, back in the day. um which is still played today. was it 40 odd years ago? this song, stop the cavalry . how did that come about ? >> ?- >> how ? >> how did 7 >> how did what come about the song? um. well well, there was a melody first and then , i think, melody first and then, i think, thought about the lyrics and the first thing i thought was, um , first thing i thought was, um, that came into my mind . can you. that came into my mind. can you. and the gallantry would scan nicely with da da da da da da

da, which is the last bit of part of the song . so i had can part of the song. so i had can you end the gallantry so that was my starting point. and then i changed it to can you stop the cavalry? and then that led cavalry? okay. and then that led to, um, thoughts about the crimean war, because people , you crimean war, because people, you know, were on the cavalry charging. yep, yep. and they charged to their deaths. they did. so i thought, oh my god, that's terrible. >> was like, astounded at >> was you, like, astounded at the success the record? the success of the record? >> um , oh yeah. i always >> um, oh yeah. i always astounded if it's successful, but we always hope it's successful. and if it actually becomes successful, you think , crikey. >> and how many copies do you think it sold around the world under what banner? >> under vinyl or. >> under vinyl or. >> well, that's a good point. actually. vinyl because it was probably a77 inch single. >> well, it virtually sold 1,000,045 rpms in this country. yeah and about 600,000 in france and in various other countries. you know, in terms of hundreds of thousands was never really released in america . yeah. but released in america. yeah. but of course, you've got streaming

now and all the different ways of computing these things. i suppose a good pension fund for you. well um, luckily something's coming in because i don't have a pension. >> so the melody is very upbeat. i think it's an upbeat melody. it's nice, it's christmassy, but the story is incredibly sad. how do you those two to work? do you get those two to work? work together? >> yeah, i mean, i you know, it's, i suppose the sadness comes about because you've got , comes about because you've got, you know, this poor guy in the trenches is fighting his guts out and he's and he's, you know , out and he's and he's, you know, cold and hungry and he's not at home in front of the coal fire on christmas day, having christmas dinner. yeah. and it's a terrible situation to be in. but the one ray of hope is that, you know, if he gets out of this mess and gets home and there's peace, he will decide to stand for the president of the united states of the world. and if he wins the election, he will stop the cavalry because he's fed up

with all these people, with chivalrous cavalry notions of going to war. yeah, honour. yeah. you know, and all the rest of it. >> so what motivates . >> so what motivates. >> so what motivates. >> so what motivates. >> so although it's sad, there's a kind of a yeah, yeah, i get that. >> there's a message there. there's hope. there's hope there. what motivated there. so what motivated you personally this song? personally to write this song? >> it was an accident in >> well, it was an accident in terms of the lyric because it just was step by step. can you end the gallantry led to those lyrics ? it was. and apart from lyrics? it was. and apart from that, it just a melody on that, it was just a melody on a piano. okay you know, i mean, it's a song that's every time it comes on the radio in the car, we singing it if we all, we're all singing it if we all, we're all singing it if we can remember the words. >> it's, it reminds of >> but it's, it reminds you of what it is because what time of year it is because it plays played normally at it just plays played normally at christmas. another christmas. but you wrote another really something really famous song, something about always in about you'll always find me in the kitchen at parties. and i think that out when i was think that came out when i was at and, um, what what at school. and, um, what what inspired you to write that? because there always is that person that's the at person that's in the kitchen at parties, there? parties, isn't there? >> yeah. the idea behind that really is that, you know, you go into the kitchen to get some,

some more wine or to have a natter in the kitchen. there's all the people in the party. yeah. and, and then you go back out to the dining room and, and where you're going to have a dance and try again to meet someone . someone. >> so i guess, i mean, some people might just hang around the kitchen because they've got not comfortable in, in the party. they want to be there and be seen, but not actually in the party drunk party dancing and getting drunk and stuff . and yeah, all that stuff. >> and the of you'll always >> and the idea of you'll always find the kitchen find me in the kitchen at parties that bit of parties is that you're a bit of a loser. you know, you're not getting woman the getting the woman or getting the woman or, woman you know, or the man or, well, the men in in turn. well, all the men in in turn. but now that it's legal, you can you can do that with men too, can't you? yes. >> well you can. yeah. that's been a long time, actually. um musical heroes. jonah who? when he was a kid growing up, they must have been who. who must have been somebody who. who made and sing made you learn music and sing and write songs. was it? and write songs. who was it? it's for not elvis presley, fats domino, little richard chuck domino, little richard and chuck berry. although listen, i mean, they're four of my favourites. i

mean, i'd probably i couldn't swap any of them . um, i'd like swap any of them. um, i'd like to see jerry lee lewis in there somewhere. yeah, sure . roy orbison. >> yeah. great singer, everly brothers. oh they were brilliant. bird dog and yeah, i mean great little suzy harmonies because she the beatles and, you know, and great harmonies . and know, and great harmonies. and you can't help but love the beatles and the stones, you know, don't get me wrong, but the beatles would copied the beatles would have copied chuck berry. >> they copied the everly brothers. roy orbison mixed brothers. roy orbison and mixed it all together. >> before elvis, there was nothing , john lennon said. nothing, john lennon said. >> he did say and think >> he did say that, and i think he's elvis was actually he's i think elvis was actually he's i think elvis was actually he's one my fave he he's one of my fave brits. he was he didn't write was the one. he didn't write songs. was the one. he didn't write songs . it wasn't particularly songs. it wasn't particularly good a i could good on on a guitar. i could play, he could a guitar, play, he could play a guitar, but could take song but he could take any song and own it. >> started he was out >> he started it. he was out front. he was the first one to be punk, you like. you be a punk, if you like. you know, a rebel . know, he was a rebel. >> it a rebel, weren't you? >> it was a rebel, weren't you? i more of a rebel than i suppose more of a rebel than the sex in the 70s. the sex pistols in the 70s. >> ironically, years >> yeah. ironically, 21 years afterwards, pistols afterwards, the sex pistols arrived yeah, they arrived and. yeah, and they booed when they heard that elvis

presley had died and then sniffing glue guy mark perry got up on stage and said, hey, guys, you got it wrong. he was one of us. >> us. >> it was he was he was just 20 years earlier. now i mean, you talk about the sex pistols, that sort of not my era. i was probably about 13 when the sex pistols out in the late pistols come out in the late 70s. and then there was the film the great rock roll swindle, the great rock and roll swindle, and it a swindle , weren't and it was a swindle, weren't it? , um, bambi or something. >> it was . >> it was. >> it was. >> who killed bambi. yeah. um and there was the i think the worst thing the bbc did was it was worse or not, but they banned the song that the sex pistols wrote. i think it was god save the queen. >> almost did them a favour. he did? yeah. so increased the notoriety, it? notoriety, didn't it? >> jonah , um, >> so present day jonah, um, you're man . what are you're a music man. what are you doing life musically you're a music man. what are you dothe life musically you're a music man. what are you dothe moment?life musically you're a music man. what are you dotwell,)ment?life musically you're a music man. what are you dotwell,)merbeenz musically you're a music man. what are you dotwell,)merbeen workinglly you're a music man. what are you dotwell,)merbeen working in >> well, i've been working in the studio some years as the studio for some years as a hobby. really? yeah. and i've got enough for an album and it's coming out in the end of january. i think it is. i had to ask the people all. and so

that's coming out and so that's what i'm doing. >> so i'll do people how do people get hold of that album . people get hold of that album. because it's all different now isn't it? you don't went to record. >> absolutely. totally >> absolutely. it's totally different. i don't understand the all. you have the business at all. you have to ask it works. ask them how it works. >> but when were kids, we >> but when we were kids, we used go in record of used to go in the record shop of a weekend saturday morning a weekend on a saturday morning maybe. just rifle maybe. yeah, and just rifle through the it great through all the wasn't it great lps and the singles and then see one save up for it, go and buy it. but now they've all got sort of spotify. >> i suppose you dial it up so, so easier and quicker than so much easier and quicker than putting so much easier and quicker than puttinso it's advantages and yeah. so it's advantages and disadvantages . disadvantages. >> it is. look, i mean >> it is, it is. look, i mean this is absolutely brilliant, mate. song , this is absolutely brilliant, mate. song, um, that mate. um that song, um, that christmas song has probably been listened to by millions and millions of people around the world. it's, um, i will definitely listen to it in a slightly different light. now, next time it comes on, on my radio. it's it's been radio. but it's been it's been great you . thanks. nice great to meet you. thanks. nice to speak to you. do go to speak to you. look, do not go away. coming we've got away. coming up next, we've got

simon got paolo simon danchuk. we've got paolo diana, they're going have tatchell. they're going to have a on the a good debate on on the trans issue

listening to gb news radio. >> joining me now for the roundtable discussion is human rights activist peter tatchell. we've got simon danczuk, who's back on the show again. we've also got paola , paola, diana , also got paola, paola, diana, who's a podcaster and author. welcome to the show . for the welcome to the show. for the very first time, look , um, i go very first time, look, um, i go to you first, peter , we saw to you first, peter, we saw earlier this week, a colleague of mine, rachel mclean, made a comment about a, um , a political comment about a, um, a political candidate who was or is a man, but he's now identifying as a woman . and i think the comment woman. and i think the comment was something like , it's a man was something like, it's a man in a wig . is that an acceptable in a wig. is that an acceptable comment ? comment? >> i think it's a pretty outrageous and offensive comment, particularly because she was attacking the green

party candidate, mr poulton , who party candidate, mr poulton, who had on social media supported the 5050 campaign to get more women mps in parliament. she was encouraging women to stand for parliament and that's a very important good cause because although women constitute 52% of our population, often . only 35% our population, often. only 35% of mps are women. so what melissa poulton was doing was really good and really positive . really good and really positive. and i think to make that cheap jibe by rachel mclean again , jibe by rachel mclean again, lost her because of who she is and the way she looks. i think that was really offensive and uncalled for. >> paula, is it a cheap jibe or is there some merit in what? >> rachel afraid i disagree completely with what peter says because . because we all know because. because we all know that that men who identify as women. because i don't use gendered language at all. well, this men are actually stealing the seats from other women in 2023, in the united states, the

best female cyclist is a man . best female cyclist is a man. the best female runner is a man. the best female runner is a man. the best female swimmer is a man , and the woman of the year a man. tampax nike. maybelline they all used men to promote female products . but why they all used men to promote female products. but why is a women's rights problem ? so these women's rights problem? so these men who is now, uh, you know , i men who is now, uh, you know, i drew something for you to explain . why prepared gender is explain. why prepared gender is a problem for women's rights . a problem for women's rights. first of all, we have to identify the gender is a gender ideology is different based on age and based on sex. so biological sex here are older men. old men are affected by this ideology, but it's mainly a sexual fetish for them . they're sexual fetish for them. they're called agp because they're affected by autogynephilia. why while old women you can also see

here they're not affected at all. no older woman . all. no older woman. >> hang on. with respect, we're getting away from the core issue. which is better women's representation in parliament. that's that's why we that's that's why that's why we that's why this issue just calm things down a bit. >> important . it's >> it's very important. it's very important we talk also >> it's very important. it's very irchildren we talk also >> it's very important. it's very irchildren and we talk also >> it's very important. it's very irchildren and young.k also >> it's very important. it's very irchildren and young adults, about children and young adults, because gender ideology is because the gender ideology is affecting rights as well. >> yes. but simons simons looking is looking very lonely there in the middle. simon, you're not chipping with it. >> and these two. yeah, >> and between these two. yeah, i is really i think this is a really interesting terms of interesting analysis in terms of rachel i think she has rachel mclean. i think she has the right to say what she wants. there a clearly a distinction there is a clearly a distinction between, women and between, uh, trans women and women. and it's right and proper to draw a distinction between the two. uh, you can't just, uh, this melissa person can't you can't just put an ill fitting wig on some lipstick. uh, call yourself melissa and then expect every body to buy into you being a woman . i'm sorry. it'sjust a woman. i'm sorry. it'sjust not, you know, you're away with the fairies. if you think the

general public buy into that, they just don't. >> that's an interesting away with the fairies or fitting wig. is simon right, peter? >> but why move away from the issue that melissa was rightly highlighting the under—representation of women in parliament? she was making the for case more women mps and instead of addressing that issue , rachel mclean chose to make a mockery of the way she looks and her gender identity . now, simon her gender identity. now, simon is absolutely right . there her gender identity. now, simon is absolutely right. there is an absolute distinction between women and trans women. they're not the same. one is based on chromosomal sex, the other is based on gender identity. they are different but equally valid. and i think we need to not confuse the two sex and gender identity are two different things, and my view is live and let live. >> paola, the kc , the cogs, um, >> paola, the kc, the cogs, um, rolling around . you want to come rolling around. you want to come back on that? >> it's a huge women's rights problem. >> yeah. and we have to address it as it is. so this type of men

, they're stealing women's seat . , they're stealing women's seat. so it's a mockery that this melissa man who is a he is talking about women's rights because he if he eventually will because he if he eventually will be elected, he's stealing a woman's place . yes. okay. so it woman's place. yes. okay. so it has to be very clear that gender ideology , that is the ideology ideology, that is the ideology behind this behaviour , is behind this behaviour, is promoting sexual fetish . okay. promoting sexual fetish. okay. and is harming children because they need a young people and children to believe in gender ideology. that is a fantasy in order to validate their sexual fetish. so a mother like me wants to be called a mother , not wants to be called a mother, not a birthing person, because these people use this language. okay they use chess breeder. no i'm a mother. i feed my babies. okay i'm a woman. i'm not an uterus haver a cervix haver, or all this language. sorry for the word , but this is the reality.

word, but this is the reality. it's a nonsense language and i urge each one of you, particularly if you're a father or of a mother or a mother, to don't use gender language. >> so if you use it, you're validating there. >> you're validating these ideologies. that is highly dangerous. >> erasure of female identity . >> erasure of female identity. >> erasure of female identity. >> paola's got a point that this man and let's be clear , most man and let's be clear, most people will think he is a man with a wig on. whether it's all fitting or not, i don't know, but it is a man with a wig on. i identify as a woman. is he stealing women's jobs and women's rights ? women's rights? >> this is a storm in a teacup, okay? there are no trans women in parliament, but the idea that somehow women mps are under threat, that is a nonsense . it's threat, that is a nonsense. it's a scaremongering tactic and i think it does not befit a democratic parliament and a democratic parliament and a democratic people to demonise trans people when there is no threat to women's seats. but is it? >> well, it's becoming increasingly serious because of labour's proposals. what they

are contemplating, contemplating is making it an offence and aggravating offence to label somebody incorrectly, and that is a serious issue. i would be totally opposed to such legislation , but they are legislation, but they are contemplating if they get into power, making it an aggravating offence to misgender somebody and that's where rachel mclean would then have a serious problem. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> and that's totally wrong. thank you. >> i'm also against criminalisation , but i think criminalisation, but i think it's just common decency to be respectful of other people, even if we disagree with them. just show respect and kindness . yeah, show respect and kindness. yeah, there's too much hate and prejudice in the world. >> no, this is an excuse. >> no, this is an excuse. >> you're a woman. >> you're a woman. >> i reject gender, language . >> i reject gender, language. >> i reject gender, language. >> okay, so put me in prison. >> okay, so put me in prison. >> it's hard for us. it's difficult for me to know how how furious you are being a woman. you can have babies. you can feed babies. you can do all that. how difficult is it to accept this? well, you can't accept this? well, you can't accept this? well, you can't accept this nonsense. i can't, it's nonsense.

>> and many women like me and also men are opposing this nonsense . the labour party nonsense. the labour party doesn't know still. but he will see that we are fighting back. we will fight back in the streets, in the toilets , in the streets, in the toilets, in the single—sex spaces. we will not let this sounds like churchill sounds like a churchill speech that never peter. >> i mean, we see this . um, >> i mean, we see this. um, melissa, you know, back in the day, years and years ago, if people had been hanging around with men, especially with, with wigs on and going into to women's changing rooms and women's changing rooms and women's safe spaces, they'd have been they'd have been locked up. yeah. well hang on, women have been going into trans women have been going into trans women have been going into women's spaces for decades without a problem . for decades without a problem. >> i've got a friend who works in a women's centre in the north of england that centre, with the agreement of both the staff and the has accepted the women users, has accepted trans women for seven years. there's never been a problem to do this, to demonise people. you think of someone great like jan

morris , the great trans explorer morris, the great trans explorer or journalist morris, the great trans explorer orjournalist and so to on inqu orjournalist and so to on insult her in this way and the memory of so many other trans women who've done amazing, wonderful things . i think it's wonderful things. i think it's just it's just wrong . and it's just it's just wrong. and it's not not compatible with the kind, generous, compassionate society. >> there's a firm shake of the head here. >> yes, this is an excuse . >> yes, this is an excuse. >> this is a way to silence women. they used to burn us to the stake. now they're trying to cancel on social media. they cancel us on social media. they tried silence us using this tried to silence us using this be kind tactic . you know what? be kind tactic. you know what? i'm very kind and i'm very compassionate. and that's why i care for these children who are castrated. i care for these children who have their breasts mutilated. okay healthy breasts. and they're sterilised in the name of an ideology that will never affected children and young adults ever. in history, when they tell you that there were many trans people in history, they are lying to you. you what was affecting you know what was affecting this? was affecting this this? who was affecting this ideology? to old men ,

ideology? only few to old men, and they were called transvestites . that's it. it's transvestites. that's it. it's only because of pornography onune only because of pornography online and social media that now in the western countries we have these social contagion and we have to address it before it will destroy our society , our will destroy our society, our family values and women's rights. awful stuff. >> paul simon, you want to come back on that? >> yeah. well, agree with >> yeah. well, i agree with paula. in terms of young people, it's far the it's it's gone far too far. the it's it's gone far too far. the it's it is child abuse. i mean the, the ability for children to have, uh, medical intervention is, is wholly inappropriate and i think we'll look back in years to come . we'll look back in to come. we'll look back in years to come think that's years to come and think that's been mistake. so a bit one been a big mistake. so a bit one sided. uh , peter on his own on >> this, uh, peter on his own on this one. final 20s this one. peter. final 20s children not being, uh, children are not being, uh, medically and surgically changed. >> there's no surgical abuse of removal of breasts or hormonal therapy and so on. that is not happening. it's illegal in this country. plus some young people are small number are receiving

hormone therapy. but it's reversible and it's not. it is done with parental in 99% of cases, it's done with parental consent. after many years of counselling and support. >> these are dangerous times. we live in. peter, this debate . it live in. peter, this debate. it scares the hell out of me, especially for our young people. well, look, you know, still to come, we've reality star come, we've got reality tv star nicola not go away .

there's the bell, nicola. that's last door to the bar. delighted to be joined by nicola mclean, former glamour model . um, tv former glamour model. um, tv celebrity celebrity jungle. did you do that? >> i did, yeah, i did the jungle and big brother three times, right. >> glamour model . yeah. page >> glamour model. yeah. page three model. yeah. we don't see page three anymore. nicola. i mean, is that a good thing or a bad thing? >> i think it's a bad thing. personally because i think that

women right to do women should have a right to do it to or not if it if they want to or not if they don't, obviously. and i think is think that what we forget is when feminist campaign to when the feminist campaign to stop three, there was lots stop page three, there was lots of girls doing it. so you put lots girls a and lots of girls out of a job, and then unfortunately , they then then unfortunately, they then had find another job, which had to find another job, which went loads of went on to onlyfans. loads of people joining onlyfans , people joining onlyfans, onlyfans, just for the more ignorant amongst us. >> is onlyfans ? >> what is onlyfans? >> what is onlyfans? >> so it's a social media platform that people have to pay for. so if you want to look at, i don't have an onlyfans, but if you wanted to look at my onlyfans, you'd have pay an onlyfans, you'd have to pay an amount . so girls amount that i set. so girls are sort of £20 a month you can sort of £20 a month and you can see exclusive content, but it is, it is more on the pornographic side. it's not just girls. you know, doing an outfit change. it's like on instagram. it's more sort of pornographic. >> there's easy money. >> there's easy money. >> i think that, you know , say >> i think that, you know, say for me with my following, if i did it, i think, you know, it would. i'd probably the first month then like about 80 grand, really. then once 80 grand. really. and then once 80 grand. yeah

>> and how much would somebody like me earn there? >> and how much would somebody likel�*ne earn there? >> and how much would somebody likei think rn there? >> and how much would somebody likei think .1 there? >> and how much would somebody likei think . really?re? >> and how much would somebody likei think . really? yeah >> i think. really? yeah >> i think. really? yeah >> okay. so it's a dangerous place. it's a dark place for me. >> i think that, you know, you get addicted to the money. i say i've never done it, but i know loads of girls that have. you get to the money. but get addicted to the money. but to punters interested, to keep the punters interested, you to do more. and more you have to do more. and more and know, you and more. you know, if you do just on it, that gets just topless on it, that gets boring, it? so then you boring, doesn't it? so then you go then you to go to new, then you start to do other i think other things. so i think with, you the feminist stop you know, with the feminist stop in three lads mags, in page three and lads mags, they've girls to even they've driven girls to go even further would do . further than they would do. >> that's dangerous place, >> that's a dangerous place, especially you especially for young girls. you see. money. especially for young girls. you seei money. especially for young girls. you seei rit'sey. i think >> i think it's been i think it's really i think it's been really bad. i think even for, like the normal girl who have even who would never have even thought page three, thought to do page three, they see earning see these girls earning extraordinary money and they want they want to be part of it, but they don't realise what these girls actually doing these girls are actually doing on money. on for the money. >> and think sort of, on for the money. >> lwell, think sort of, on for the money. >> lwell, it's1ink sort of, on for the money. >> well, it's a1k sort of, on for the money. >> well, it's a job sort of, on for the money. >> well, it's a job in sort of, on for the money. >> well, it's a job in effectf, um, well, it's a job in effect can come back to haunt them in later life. >> yeah. i mean, i think that what we've got to be teaching young you young people that even when you delete something , once you've

delete something, once you've put something online, it's there forever. you have to, you know, young kids need to know that i've got 17 and a 13 year old. i'm always telling them this. and, me, and, you know, it's like me, isn't it? you when i did isn't it? you know, when i did page 18. absolutely page three, i was 18. absolutely fine. i thought about when fine. i never thought about when i was a 42 year old mum of teenage boys and the fact that when google me, when their friends google me, they see things that my kids probably want them probably wouldn't want them to or want them to see. and or don't want them to see. and you to navigate you know, you've got to navigate that know , yeah, things that so you know, yeah, things come haunt you, don't come back to haunt you, don't they? definitely. so there's another side to you, nicole. >> apart from the glamorous side and and the tv and the modelling and the tv stuff, a condition stuff, which is a condition you've adhd. yeah. you've got called adhd. yeah. now that now some people scoff at that word condition, but it word or that condition, but it is condition . how does is a serious condition. how does it affect you and what age was you when you discovered you'd actually got adhd? >> so i, i had a child diagnosis , yes, but never medicated . and , yes, but never medicated. and then, you know, once i got to sort of 16 and you move on to being an adult, just never really thought about it. but it's affected. like if i look

back now and i watch myself in big brother and i think i feel sorry myself , like i was sorry for myself, like i was really . you know, i really struggling. you know, i it affected . i found my driving it affected. i found my driving test nine times because i could not concentrate , as you know, um not concentrate, as you know, um , now i'm medicated. life is much easier. you know, i was bulimic . i much easier. you know, i was bulimic. i made much easier. you know, i was bulimic . i made myself sick bulimic. i made myself sick every single day from 11 until i was medicated a year ago. so, you know , it presents in such you know, it presents in such different ways, and especially for women who mask so much. so you know, i might sit appear normal to people, but actually inside , you know, the adhd, the inside, you know, the adhd, the hyperactive ness. i mean, i am quite hyper anyway, but my brain is so hyper before i take the medication. do you know what i mean ? so i totally agree that mean? so i totally agree that people oh, adhd because people do go, oh, adhd because i think it's being thrown around too much. it's become trendy. think it's being thrown around too iliuch. it's become trendy. think it's being thrown around too it is h. it's become trendy. think it's being thrown around too it is an t's become trendy. think it's being thrown around too it is an and ecome trendy. think it's being thrown around too it is an and saying trendy. think it's being thrown around too it is an and saying thatiy. >> it is an and saying that nicola a few months back i made a comment about adhd with some of the families, especially the children, because i've dealt with families, with with loads of families, with children genuine adhd . children who's got genuine adhd. um, made a comment that

um, but i made a comment that some, some parents, not all parents, some i think are abusing the system and labelling . they're labelling their own children as adhd to make excuses for their behaviour and get extra benefits . is that fair? extra benefits. is that fair? >> i think it's really fair. and i also think that it's a lot of it is lazy parenting. i think that as soon as a child is naughty rather than parenting and teaching correct behaviours , and teaching correct behaviours, it's like, oh, they've got adhd, it's like, oh, they've got adhd, it's like, oh, they've got adhd, it's like, no, they haven't got adhd, adhd doesn't always present as naughty. it doesn't, you know, and i completely agree with you. and i think why have we lost the right to be able to say think without being, say what we think without being, you chastised saying you know, chastised for saying what is the truth? people are using adhd, celebrities are using adhd, celebrities are using adhd, celebrities are using adhd because it's become like a cool thing to talk about. it's like actually live with adhd. it is not fun. it is really not fun. >> but when you when you, nicola, when you, when you label a child as having adhd, that's sort of a disability. they then grow up thinking they're different . they're not normal,

different. they're not normal, they're disabled get they're disabled when they get 16, they're to 16, 17, 18, they're going to feel pretty poor about themselves, aren't they? listen i genuinely believe if a child has got if you think your child really has adhd , they need a really has adhd, they need a diagnosis because it helps with everything. >> even if you're not going to medicate, which i the medication can bring, you know, it stops growth, it stops people eating a lot so it can bring a lot of a lot so it can bring a lot of a lot of problems . but so even if lot of problems. but so even if you're not going medicate, you're not going to medicate, you're not going to medicate, you diagnosis. you have to get the diagnosis. advocate diagnosis advocate for the diagnosis because school , you know, because it's school, you know, rather than being on report all the teachers might the time, teachers might understand that it's a bit understand that it's just a bit trickier sit for that trickier to sit still for that long. you know, i blurt long. or, you know, i blurt things excited if things out. i get so excited if i know if i'm sitting in a conversation and i know the answer, i'm like, ooh, pick me. you if a kid you know? because. so if a kid is that in school, they're is doing that in school, they're just so just naughty, disruptive. so i think it's really important to get your kid get a diagnosis. but if your kid is naughty and you're is just naughty and you're fighting for that diagnosis so that don't look like a bad that you don't look like a bad parent you want, know, parent or you want, you know, more benefits, then more money for benefits, then you're should know you're really so you should know you've got adhd, you've been

medicated. >> that's changed your life. you've two. you've got two you've got two. you've got two boys as well. i think what we're going to now, because going to do now, because we're behind the bar. nicola. yeah, it's for on the paw. we're it's time for on the paw. we're going to bring back one of our previous guests, which paul. going to bring back one of our pre\diana.jests, which paul. going to bring back one of our pre\diana.hello.nhich paul. going to bring back one of our pre\diana. hello.nhich goingl. oh, diana. hello. she's going to come um, fighting come back. she was, um, fighting it earlier the debate. it out earlier in the debate. she very good. the task she was very good. so the task is a pot each. you is simple. a pint pot each. you both pump a san miguel and both got pump a san miguel and i think a heineken . i both got pump a san miguel and i think a heineken. i think think that's a heineken. i think it is. so if you go for it, you do the end one. uh, the san miguel. and this one. miguel. paolo and i do this one. okay. together for okay. go together. go for it, ladies well i can see you've ladies. well i can see you've done this before. nicola i have i use looking in a very good paola. is that a an italian lager ? is that how they're lager? is that how they're drinking it in, in italy? >> i have no idea. it's shocker. >> uh, if you just slap it on the bar. ladies and esme are you there, darling? >> hi, i'm lee, do you want to come in and judge? >> wow, a pint and. oh complete opposite. what do you think? got it for? for nicola. out of out of nicola. >> definitely ten out of ten. it's obviously done it before.

>> paolo. >> and paolo. >> and paolo. >> i think we'll go for >> paolo i think we'll go for a five out of ten. and that's your blind. you're lying kind judge it correctly. that's right. yeah. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> it's a learning curve. learned. >> so i've got a ten and a five. i think that's pretty straightforward. obviously we spoke earlier paolo, about women's rights being a road in this you're two women. this country. you're two women. how does it make you feel when you men, you see this nonsense of men, you see this nonsense of men, you know, just slapping a wig on, putting a skirt on and then, you know, masquerading as a woman in sporting events, in changing rooms , in swimming changing rooms, in swimming baths. i'll start with you, nicola first and then so i feel like i'm a massive of like i'm a massive supporter of the lgbt, q plus community. >> i really am. um, and i think that everyone should have a right to be who they want to be and live without judgement. i feel like when we're we're getting men who have raped women, then deciding they're going to be female and going women, then deciding they're goinfemale female and going women, then deciding they're goinfemale prisons,and going women, then deciding they're goinfemale prisons, it's going women, then deciding they're goinfemale prisons, it's justg into female prisons, it's just not okay. women are we're not okay. women are not we're still putting so much danger as women. i feel like i don't want to go in a changing room with a

man. i don't want to, you know, i want to be able to change and feel comfortable and not feel like i'm living, you know, with, with anxiety about what could happen. so yeah, it's tricky. women uh , if you ask past a women uh, if you ask past a certain age when you transition, you shouldn't be in sporting events because the tests eamonn for men and women are different. so you're at a you're at a disadvantage and that isn't me, uh, slamming people for doing . uh, slamming people for doing. >> you've got to take quite a strong opinion on this, haven't you. >> absolutely. but you see, she agrees with me at the end. you can't change sex, gender, ideology. you know what it is , ideology. you know what it is, lily? what is it? it is a deeply misogynistic and homophobic, illiberal , retrograde movement . illiberal, retrograde movement. it's a male supremacy move . it. it's a male supremacy move. it. >> don't sit on the fence, pal. just, just just get it out there. i'm listening. >> good. but it's important that people feel it. the urgency. it's dangerous . it's a dangerous it's dangerous. it's a dangerous movement because they want to

take off freedom of speech. they want to take off children's rights and women's rights, and they want to win because this is a democracy. we want to be free to say that a man with a wig is a man with a wig. to say that a man with a wig is a man with a wig . i don't want a man with a wig. i don't want anyone to tell me how i should talk, but there's nothing wrong with his life as with that man living his life as a woman. >> but he's not a woman. >> but he's not a woman. >> it's not. but the ideology behind that is harming women. and we don't want this type of person who are clearly pornography addicted in parliament to make laws for us women , we are already women, we are already underrepresented. we need more women, not men with a weak there you go. >> we need more women, not men. wear the wig. listen. thank you. nicholas been lovely to meet you.thank nicholas been lovely to meet you. thank you. paola. thank you again. uh, again. thank you. look, uh, next week ashfield , which week we. we in ashfield, which is my neck of the woods. we're filming the the filming there for the for the christmas so please join christmas show. so please join us on gb news. next us next week on gb news. next friday p.m. but coming up friday at 7 pm. but coming up now, we've got mark dolan friday night that warm feeling night live that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers

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persist into the afternoon. further south, still staying largely dry but cloudy and i think it will be a windier day than today out there. tomorrow and temperatures again around 11 or 12 degrees. so on the milder side of things for this time of yearin side of things for this time of year in the far north of scotland, through sunday, the rain will continue . it turns rain will continue. it turns particularly from saturday particularly heavy from saturday night and persist all the night and will persist all the way through sunday into monday as well. there is an amber as well. so there is an amber warning force. could warning in force. we could see as much 200mm rain, which as much as 200mm of rain, which does bring a risk of landslides. that rain will sink southwards through monday and that will allow some cooler arrive allow some cooler air to arrive from the north. >> looks like things are heating up. box spoilers, sponsors of weather on .

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