question of sport has been five. question of sport has been axed by the bbc, so we're only 52 years away from being britain's longest running running panel show. and as always, i'm alongside alby and benjamin and we're also joined by the brilliant belinda de lucy . plus back after many a long week, it's ben leo, he , of week, it's ben leo, he, of course, boldly ventured somewhere very few englishmen dare to tread, and even fewer survive unscathed . and as well survive unscathed. and as well as getting married, he was also popping as getting married, he was also popping over to australia for a bit. so you know, you know the drill. >> we all get around 60s to outline an argument about a chosen topic. then everyone piles in and it goes downhill faster than your average office christmas party. ours, by the way, is immediately after this show. we're heading to ours a little bit later, so of course we want to know your views as well. get in touch by emailing gbviews@gbnews.com but before we start tearing each other apart, it's saturday night news it's your saturday night news with callahan .

with elizabeth callahan. >> good evening, i'm elizabeth callahan in the gb newsroom . the callahan in the gb newsroom. the italy, the uk and italy have agreed to finance a plan to return migrants to tunisia, as the prime minister warned that illegal migration could overwhelm european countries. rishi sunak addressed a crowd of italian conservatives in rome today after meeting italian prime minister giorgia meloni. the agreement will see the two countries assist in the voluntary return of migrants currently stuck in tunisia . the currently stuck in tunisia. the prime minister says it's now more important than ever to tackle illegal migration. >> if we do not tackle this problem, the numbers will only grow . it will overwhelm our grow. it will overwhelm our countries and our capacity to help those who actually need our help those who actually need our help the most. the cost of accommodating these people will anger our citizens , who won't anger our citizens, who won't understand why their money should have to be spent on deaung

should have to be spent on dealing with the consequences of this evil trade. it will destroy the public's faith, not just in us as politicians, but in our very systems of governance . very systems of governance. >> meanwhile, a second migrant has died after another small boat emergency in the channel it comes after a separate incident in which a sudanese national died off dunkirk this morning . died off dunkirk this morning. another two migrants are missing after that rescue were a small boat carrying more than 60 people got into difficulty . an people got into difficulty. an idf official says. israeli hostages mistake only killed in gaza had been shirtless and holding up a white flag. israeli troops opened fire on yotam haim, samir zalka and alon shamriz as after they were misidentified as a threat. they were killed in an area of intense fighting where hamas terrorists often wear civilian clothing. idf called it a tragic event that happened due to the nature of the conflict . police nature of the conflict. police in norwich say that there is no

indication of third party involvement after a body was recovered in the search for missing woman gaynor lord. that's after authorities carried out a post—mortem examination. norfolk police say the body will be formally identified tomorrow . be formally identified tomorrow. a royal navy destroyer has shot down a suspected attack drone targeting merchant shipping in the red sea. defence secretary grant shapps says hms diamond hit the target overnight with a sea viper missile. the ship recently arrived in the region as part of efforts to increase maritime security and a large copper rooster has been hoisted onto the roof of notre dame cathedral in paris. the golden weathervane was blessed by the archbishop of paris as a milestone in the race to complete the restoration of the landmark building . the cathedral landmark building. the cathedral was severely damaged by a fire in april 2019, sending the old rooster crashing to the ground

that will now be displayed as part of the new notre dame museum. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to the saturday five. >> it's saturday night on. you're with the saturday five. i'm ben leo and i made it through a month of 4 am, starts covering nigel farage exploits in the jungle include, by the way, analysing his bare backside. but can i survive an hourin backside. but can i survive an hour in the studio with these four reprobates.7 let's find out by cracking on with tonight's first debate. up first is alby. what .

has been on your mind this week? alby.7 week? alby? >> benjamin. ben, it's time to ban media for all under ban social media for all under 18. look, this week, westminster was with rumours that the was abuzz with rumours that the prime minister, rishi sunak, is considering social media considering banning social media for under seconds. this for all under 16 seconds. this is a brilliant idea, but in my opinion it doesn't go far enough. social media, like enough. so social media, like drinking smoking be drinking and smoking should be banned seconds. banned for all under 18 seconds. and why. since advent and here's why. since the advent of media the late of social media in the late noughties, have seen mental noughties, we have seen mental health in teenagers and young adults plummet. an adults plummet. we've seen an increase depression in increase in depression in teenagers of 52, child suicides have increased by 150% and self—harm among girls has tripled. this is without mentioning the death of molly russell, a young lady who took her life just aged 14 last year. a court found that social media was a factor in her death . each was a factor in her death. each yean was a factor in her death. each year, more and more studies are finding links between youth suicide and social media. social media companies don't care about the health and well—being of our

children. they care about their profits, algorithms are indoctrinating minds, indoctrinating young minds, harming making harming our children, and making them seen worrying them sick. we've seen worrying trends platforms like trends emerge on platforms like tiktok. . a trend where tiktok. we saw. a trend where teenagers were praising osama bin laden on now, could you imagine war time era teenagers praising adolf hitler? it's completely unthinkable. critics and those with vested interests will tell you that this is impossible . will tell you that this is impossible. but did you will tell you that this is impossible . but did you know impossible. but did you know that most social media outlets already have very poorly regulated age restrictions of 13 plus? this could be verified by mandating id social media mandating id for social media account is not account creation. this is not rocket . childhood should rocket science. childhood should be should be be about learning. it should be about with friends about enjoying time with friends and out who you are. and figuring out who you are. not self—harm not about suicide or self—harm and that with a and depression. all that with a dash indoctrination dash of indoctrination undermining democracy. undermining western democracy. and we've got to ban and that's why we've got to ban social media for eighteens social media for under eighteens . you're mother and . belinda, you're a mother and ben, you're a father. do you think it's practical to ban social media for under eighteens ? >> 7. >>i ? >> i think 7— >> i think it's 7 >> i think it's essential. and i think as adults we have a duty of care to protect our children and to put boundaries in this whole sort of progressive

culture removing all culture of removing all boundanes culture of removing all boundaries of every kind of progress wonderful. no, it's progress is wonderful. no, it's not for childhood. children need protection i have protection from this. i have seen around teenagers all seen i'm around teenagers all the i house full the time. i have a house full of teenagers it is teenagers most days, and it is the one thing i feel is causing more mental instability in in teenagers when their minds are not quite developed yet, they're being rewired to be addicted to the dopamine hits that social media gives. so if you have a child on on tiktok for an hour, they're going to get far more stimulus from that than going to walk their dog or playing 4040 outside, and seek or outside, or hide and seek or board games with their with their that what board games with their with theiproblem that what board games with their with theiproblem is. that what board games with their with theiproblem is. it'sthat what board games with their with theiproblem is. it's also what board games with their with theiproblem is. it's also highly the problem is. it's also highly addictive. and taking away the problem is. it's also highly addicchildhood.aking away the problem is. it's also highly addicchildhood. allg away the problem is. it's also highly addicchildhood. all for away the problem is. it's also highly addicchildhood. all for profits ay from childhood. all for profits as as all awful as well as all the awful self—harm and eating disorders you like gender you have. things like gender ideology, convincing young children in children that they're born in the wrong body, that social contagion on social media contagion now on social media and kids, and really harming our kids, i think for think absolutely ban it for under the that under 18. it's the least that adults could do in this wild, wild west of internet madness for young people. >> practical? >> ben leo is it practical? >> ben leo is it practical? >> practical. and >> yes, it is practical. and also just forget the under

eighteens completely. eighteens ban it completely. for adults. level discourse adults. the level of discourse that grown men women have on that grown men and women have on twitter or instagram, for example, is absolutely which you'd in at all. i you'd never indulge in at all. i think. the me i'm words think. i think the me i'm words of and i pump out truth of wisdom and i pump out truth bombs out. but bombs day in day out. but on a serious note, i get the train back from london to where back from from london to where i live after sometimes, and live after work sometimes, and i'm instagram i'm flicking through instagram reels after an hour. i don't know gone. i've know where the time's gone. i've been watching these stupid, inane hour plus, inane videos for an hour plus, and destination. and i'm at my destination. i'm like, where's like, oh my god, where's that last hour gone? there's so many different aspects to why it should just for should be banned, not just for kids, as well. uh, should be banned, not just for kids being as well. uh, should be banned, not just for kids being bullying nell. uh, should be banned, not just for kids being bullying at l. uh, should be banned, not just for kids being bullying at school one being bullying at school when school, you got when i was at school, if you got bullied, bullied in the bullied, you were bullied in the confines the of school confines of the of the school inside gates, the inside the school gates, in the classroom. home. classroom. you could go home. and home. and your refuge was your home. you'd forget you'd go home and you'd forget about it. until the day about it. until the next day when these and i've seen again. these days, and i've seen first hand with youngsters i know and know my niece, neighbours and whoever they're getting whoever else, they're getting bullied they're bullied 24 seven. they're on these they're bullied 24 seven. they're on theinstagram, they're bullied 24 seven. they're on theinstagram, onthey're bullied 24 seven. they're on theinstagram, on tiktok bullied 24 seven. they're on thei girls ram, on tiktok bullied 24 seven. they're on thei girls especially on tiktok and girls especially are, from what i've seen, quite nasty these when it comes to what i've seen, quite nasty therboys when it comes to what i've seen, quite nasty therboys as when it comes to what i've seen, quite nasty therboys as well, vhen it comes to what i've seen, quite nasty therboys as well, vhen itformes to the boys as well, i fear for young growing days young lads growing up these days because young boy, because when i was a young boy, the we saw was on, uh, the only porn we saw was on, uh, torn, magazines the only porn we saw was on, uh, torn, why magazines the only porn we saw was on, uh, torn, why were magazines the only porn we saw was on, uh, torn, why were mawet?as down. why were they wet? well, it's think it's down. why were they wet? well, it bit think it's down. why were they wet? well, it bit early think it's down. why were they wet? well, it bit early for think it's down. why were they wet? well, it bit early for that. :hink it's down. why were they wet? well, it bit early for that. it's( it's down. why were they wet? well, it bit early for that. it's been.

a bit early for that. it's been. it had raining. thank it had been raining. but thank you very much. but but, boys these days are sharing explicit hardcore porn on their phones. and social media, and they're view healthy view of a healthy sexual relationship is completely warped and young girls are saying now they're coming out at and telling of their first hand experiences, first experiences, or their first times i'm not times of sex, which i'm not going detail, but going to go into detail, but it's it's it's obscene, mean, it's completely graphic, and it's not representative completely graphic, and it's not representatiishould but relationship should be. but there's as to why social media aspects as to why social media should stop should be banned. full stop benjamin would it'd >> some people would argue it'd be quite draconian to ban social media,, children. media,, or even for children. ian, them? media,, or even for children. ian i them? media,, or even for children. ian i mean, them? media,, or even for children. ian i mean, country >> i do, i mean, this country loves at loves banning things at the moment and it's it would be a completely redundant way to go about completely redundant way to go abo wheel and you completely redundant way to go abowheel and you can't completely redundant way to go abo wheel and you can't pretend completely redundant way to go aborsomehow you can't pretend completely redundant way to go aborsomehow you cthey)retend13 completely redundant way to go ab18,omehow you cthey)retend13 completely redundant way to go ab18, thatiow you cthey)retend13 completely redundant way to go ab18, that that you cthey)retend13 completely redundant way to go ab18, that that socialhey)retend13 completely redundant way to go ab18, that that social media end13 or 18, that that social media is just to be there. they just not going to be there. they won't know how to deal with it. they manage won't know how to deal with it. thiit's manage won't know how to deal with it. thiit's same manage won't know how to deal with it. thiit's same whynage it. it's the same reason why i think better think france has a better attitude to alcohol when they give glass of give kids a little glass of wine, it this wine, rather than making it this sort of mysterious thing that you hammered you get to 18 and get hammered every weekend, like your typical british person still does, right? i think you'd have a similar approach now. it's absolutely true that there are problems. don't tiktok absolutely true that there are pro various don't tiktok absolutely true that there are provarious reasons, tiktok for various reasons, but one being did for various reasons, but one beirit, did for various reasons, but one beirit, couldn't did for various reasons, but one beirit, couldn't believe did use it, i couldn't believe how addictive use it, i couldn't believe how addanda use it, i couldn't believe how add ands an i a me and as an adult, i make a point dinner, point of if i go for dinner, banning like on banning phones. i like to go on holidays get holidays where i can't even get phone signal. you know, you know you but i you want to be out of it. but i think idea that you should think the idea that you should ban it is unrealistic because it's a part of our lives. it bnngs brings lots of benefits. it's i wouldn't have the career i have today without social media. i got all of my first career steps as absolutely got all of my first career steps as know, absolutely got all of my first career steps as know, little utely no, you know, from a little village in the north—west with

no connections to anyone. >> how old were you? how old were engaged? >> how old were you? how old were about engaged? >> how old were you? how old were about guess engaged? >> how old were you? how old were about guess engél ed? >> in about 16, i guess when i started to get work experience from you'd rule started to get work experience frona you'd rule started to get work experience frona ban you'd rule started to get work experience frona ban under you'd rule started to get work experience frona ban under asr'd rule started to get work experience frona ban under as well le out a ban for under 16 as well as, is the as, i think 13, which is the age that places like facebook and twitter state is the reasonable. but that but i would just point out that that's not enforced at all. exactly that's not enforced at all. exa> you've got to move on. but i c(wee for >> you've got to move on. but i c(wee but for >> you've got to move on. but i c(wee but just for a wee while, but i just don't think it's it remotely viable. i'll are i'll be i think that there are ways in which that the tech savvy can get around it. savvy people can get around it. young know the internet. young people know the internet. they've known it all their lives . they're able to around . they're able to get around these vpns and these things through vpns and all the rest it. just don't all the rest of it. i just don't think to do it. think it's possible to do it. but i would but the social media, i would ban darren grimes from , he would ban darren grimes from, he would he would. >> all right, great stuff. we'll move you talk of grimes. >> all right, great stuff. we'll movare)u talk of grimes. >> all right, great stuff. we'll movare)u what )f grimes. >> all right, great stuff. we'll movare)u what )f you1es. >> all right, great stuff. we'll movare)u what)f you got you are next. what have you got in store us tonight? you are next. what have you got in swell us tonight? you are next. what have you got in swell , us tonight? you are next. what have you got in swell , ben, tonight? you are next. what have you got in swell , ben, i'mjht? you are next. what have you got in swell , ben, i'm going to talk >> well, ben, i'm going to talk about clarkson . right? we about jeremy clarkson. right? we all jeremy , that bastion of all know jeremy, that bastion of subtlety and restraint. well, he's lobbed a verbal grenade in

the direction of london's mayor, sadiq khan , with his usual lack sadiq khan, with his usual lack of mincing words. he said people of mincing words. he said people of abroad do not come to london until we can get rid of our clown mayor. london our once proud capital under khan's rule, has transformed from a gleaming beacon of british pride to something resembling a faded postcard . of better days . i postcard. of better days. i would argue, folks, it's downfall is somewhat shakespearean. if shakespeare had race baiting had been a race baiting vertically challenged egotist with a penchant for ruining everything he touched, khan seems to have a blind spot bigger than the london eye. when it comes to crime, stabbings, muggings , the lot, the crime muggings, the lot, the crime statistics are soaring like eagles , except the plummet in eagles, except the plummet in london into a pit of despair where congestion charges low traffic neighbourhoods, ulez those damn infernal cycle lanes. it's like playing a twisted game

of monopoly, where every square you land on is a super tax space. the biggest losers? they're not the latter. and leftists in khan's city hall, but the white van man london echoes today with calls for jihad and intifada more than it does. king and country. the rapid demographic overhaul of our capital hasn't exactly been the un—british success story. some would have you believe, especially when our weekends are increasingly marred by demonstrators offering succour and support to terrorist groups . and support to terrorist groups. in some, i reckon, clarkson's hit the nail on the head under khan, london is shedding its sheen. khan, london is shedding its sheen . it's morphing into a city sheen. it's morphing into a city where personal safety is a luxury. driving a car is a sin, and living within your means. a pipe and living within your means. a pipe dream what london needs is a mayor who'll get stuck in confront these issues with gusto

and resurrect london from the ashes of this failed social experiment . well, ben lee, or do experiment. well, ben lee, or do you think, uh, actually, this is a shakespeare play of tragedy and loss . by the way, say what and loss. by the way, say what you really think. >> please don't hold back. yeah, well, look, i think london >> please don't hold back. yeah, wean look, i think london >> please don't hold back. yeah, wean look, dump< london >> please don't hold back. yeah, wean look, dump . london >> please don't hold back. yeah, wean look, dump . i'veion >> please don't hold back. yeah, wean look, dump . i've worked where? >> you don't live here? >> you don't live here? >> yeah, i've worked here for 11 years. offence to years. sorry. no offence to anyone that, um, lives in london. i, you know, i've known not got the freedom not everyone's got the freedom to choose , but i to live where they choose, but i think dirtiest think london is the dirtiest grimiest. uh, most. dysfunctional city in the world. i've been to madagascar , and i'd i've been to madagascar, and i'd probably to in probably prefer to live in madagascar probably prefer to live in madagéhere years. worked here for 11 years. my colleagues i've been worked here for 11 years. my colleagsun, i've been worked here for 11 years. my colleagsun, or i've been worked here for 11 years. my colleagsun, or anywhere en worked here for 11 years. my colleagsun, or anywhere .n at the sun, here or anywhere. else, they've always said, when are you moving to london? it's so amazing. are are you moving to london? it's so leaving? amazing. are you leaving? >> back >> i'll be come back to that. i want view. >> i'll be come back to that. i waroh, view. >> i'll be come back to that. i waroh, well, view. >> i'll be come back to that. i waroh, well, me, view. >> i'll be come back to that. i waroh, well, me, i've w. >> i'll be come back to that. i waroh, well, me, i've lived >> oh, well, for me, i've lived in years. i absolutely in london 25 years. i absolutely love the city. but i love the city for its history, its buildings, its galleries. i do feel like since sadiq khan has come into power, that he has

utterly and completely divided it into separate groups. based on this crazy political identity of the left and his disassociate . hated it, disconnected it from from england. it's like his mini kingdom now, like like a sort of capital of the whole world. and i think that's a shame for a capital city that it's not stuck to its roots because we to its roots a bit, because we can all share in the fact that it's england's capital city. and yet that really, yet we only do that really, when there's . royal event or two. there's a. royal event or two. you know, sadiq khan is not known to known for appealing to absolutely everyone to unite under one thing. it's what divides so and so from this group. celebrate the group. let's celebrate the divisions and make little separate communities. and i find that really, that's not what a capital should be about. capital city should be about. so i do think i think he's really i do think he's london. i think he's really i do think he"you london. i think he's really i do think he"you said_ondon. i think he's really i do think he"you said it'sion. i think he's really i do think he"you said it's an english >> you said it's an english city, but it doesn't feel like an english city anymore. it used to be my dream to live london to be my dream to live in london when . i used to come when i was a kid. i used to come up on saturdays for drama classes. i used to go to drama school here. drama classes. i then of arsenal. >> tell, can tell you arsenal. >> somell, can tell you arsenal. >> some ll, caiclasses,u arsenal. >> somell, caiclasses, ben, done some drama classes, ben,

because that was overdramatic because that was so overdramatic . that response to darren's monologue . look, i'm a londoner. monologue. look, i'm a londoner. i in london. i'm born i was born in london. i'm born and bred in london. i'm not going people going to have people talk down the the world. i the best city in the world. i will people will absolutely have people criticise sadiq khan. >> is the best city >> why is it the best city things have gone since things have gone wrong since bofis things have gone wrong since boris in 2016? boris left in 2016? >> he left the mayoralty of london in a great in a great position and it has fallen position and now it has fallen and that is a shame. but i'm not. i'm not going to have you talk down. is it the best london? even london? well, you're not even from here. don't, don't don't talk down. why is it the best. >> talk down. >> don't talk down. >> don't talk down. >> my place of birth the >> my place of birth and the best where best city in the world where people the world people from across the world want to come live and make their lives here and contribute to this country. >> the lifestyle as , >> the lifestyle in london as, uh, darren alluded to, you can't afford homes. nothing afford proper homes. nothing works. can't buy homes here. works. you can't buy homes here. >> than madagascar. >> worse than madagascar. >> worse than madagascar. >> well, look . i talk in jest. >> well, look. i talk in jest. the drama classes. but there are. i mean, look, white, white brits are a minority in london now. it's not an english city anymore. so. so you. so you

think community. anymore. so. so you. so you thiryou community. anymore. so. so you. so you thiryou comrijnity. anymore. so. so you. so you thiryou comri shouldn't in london? >> well, you're british, i'm saying . you're british. >> yes, but i'm not white brit. >> e! you're e you're british, >> yeah, but you're british, right? said brit right? well, you said white brit in community, there are people. >> i'm part of the community. >> i'm part of the community. >> but it's nothing to do with race, though. >> why say white brit >> so why did he say white brit successful, so let's talk about that. >> about culture and sadiq khan emphasising the differences between us all, which has been ruinous well , between us all, which has been ruinous well, hang benjamin. >> do you have any. >> i mean, do you have any. you're not from london? do you have any agreement with with jeremy clarkson? >> but i am actually from manchester. um, look , you try to manchester. um, look, you try to wear the clothes of a patriot and flaunt yourself all the time. and yet the only things you ever say are criticise this country. well, never , because country. well, never, because it's a dump. it's not a dump. and that is an insult to this country . you can never claim to country. you can never claim to be a patron. london's dump. if be a patron. london's a dump. if you're calling london a dump, you're calling london a dump, you the you know this is not just the capital of this country. london is the capital of the world. yeah. if you to succeed in yeah. if you want to succeed in so many fields work, if you so many fields of work, if you want to be an incredible lawyer,

an incredible journalist, an incredible presenter , to go incredible tv presenter, to go into millions into banking and make millions of pounds, sorts things . of pounds, all sorts of things. the world is your oyster and there is nowhere else besides a handful of cities like york, handful of cities like new york, where that is possible. we have the greatest art sector, we have the greatest art sector, we have the greatest art sector, we have the greatest financial sector. you anything in london. you can do anything in london. as somebody who grew up in a little village in another part of country , see, i came of this country, see, i came here those dreams come here to make those dreams come true. about it true. and you talk about it being a dump. you go to most other major cities. crime other major cities. the crime rates are significantly higher than in the uk. british cities are significantly dirtier than london. i tell you what, if you think this is a dump, till think this is a dump, wait till you not you see paris. london is not paris is also a dump. is paris is also a dump. london is something . all brits should something that. all brits should be proud of. and let me point something be proud of. and let me point somethinplaces this country only two places in this country that they take that pay more tax than they take out that's london the out. that's london and the southeast. you might think southeast. so you might think it's dump, tell you it's a dump, but i tell you what, we're paying for everyone else in this country, it sounds like you're just trying to justify high levels rent justify your high levels of rent and live in and mortgage payments to live in and mortgage payments to live in a box, and there are also a lot more people in london, so of

course sense that course it would make sense that there will be a lot more taxpayers london. there will be a lot more taijherefore, ondon. there will be a lot more taijherefore, ondicontribution >> therefore, the contribution of people of what you take out most people in the country actually will take they put in. take out more than they put in. >> you >> benjamin, can i ask you something kids, something? if you ever had kids, if adopted , or would you if you adopted, or would you raise children in london? raise your children in london? >> uh, i mean, i think one of the reasons i would one of the let i want let me let me ask, i want to move because let me let me ask, i want to move get because let me let me ask, i want to move get bigger because let me let me ask, i want to move get bigger beca|so you can get a bigger home. so >> so wouldn't >> okay. so you wouldn't know. >> okay. so you wouldn't know. >> that's quite >> but that's, that's quite a what a hypocrite. it's not what a hypocrite. no, it's not what a hypocrite. no, it's not what a hypocrite. no, it's not what a hypocrite. >> you london much >> also, you love london so much and amazing wouldn't and it's so amazing you wouldn't raise many times raise your kids. how many times i here. i wouldn't raise my kids here. >> understand >> i say that i understand that, you might want you know, people might want space and countryside stuff space and countryside and stuff because london's unsafe. >> get home. >> you can't get home. >> you can't get home. >> benjamin, you been >> you can't get home. >> benjton n, you been >> you can't get home. >> benjton london?'ou been mugged on london? >> once in years, and i tell >> once in 13 years, and i tell you what, you know, quite frankly, i'm willing accept you what, you know, quite franklodds willing accept you what, you know, quite franklodds willing thereept you what, you know, quite franklodds willing there .:)t you what, you know, quite franklodds willing there . are those odds because there. are a lot of places in this country, let alone the rest of the world, where you'd have a harder time. >> that where you'd have a harder time. >> newcastle. that in newcastle. >> and the fact is, you know where feel >> and the fact is, you know where more feel >> and the fact is, you know where more at feel >> and the fact is, you know where more at risk feel >> and the fact is, you know wheremore at risk because eel >> and the fact is, you know where more at risk because here more more at risk because here there's so people around, there's so many people around, there's so many people around, there's police. there's so many police. the streets well lit. i do not streets are well lit. i do not think london is an unsafe city at folks , you're at all. well, folks, you're

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>> welcome back to the saturday five, a very i think it's safe to say, fiery one in which benjamin butterworth just told me to sod off so as always, thanks very much for your emails about tonight's topic on the social media question we raised earlier, jane has written in and jane says social media is such a toxic force . i despair at how toxic force. i despair at how it's impacting my grandchildren's lives. and sam says , i'm with you, ben. it's says, i'm with you, ben. it's quite scary how easily you can fall down a hole while scrolling. well, i hope she doesn't mean literally . and on doesn't mean literally. and on london, neil has written in and he's got some advice forjeremy he's got some advice for jeremy clarkson. he says jeremy clarkson. he says jeremy clarkson should run for of clarkson should run for mayor of london. at least he's got a handle on things , neil says. and handle on things, neil says. and james i don't recognise james says, i don't recognise the london of today compared to the london of today compared to the city up in. it's the city i grew up in. it's disgraceful. well that's that then. it's time for our next debate and it's time for a beunda debate and it's time for a belinda de lucy. belinda what have you got for us today? >> are we embarking on a purge

against white men in the office? many will have heard that the chief exec of aviva has recently told mps that the appointment of all senior white men must get a final sign off from her as part of her drive to rid the financial world of sexism. you ot love you don't speak for me . ot love you don't speak for me. this neo feminist crusade to penalise the entire male sex specifically, and only white men, rather than simply offer equal opportunities based on merit is so utterly insulting to women and to non—white applicants . i certainly won't be applicants. i certainly won't be teaching my daughters that in order for them to succeed, men have to step aside. we have all the tools to get where want the tools to get where we want to go. if we work enough . to go. if we work hard enough. we all have our equal rights engraved in law. and if we face discrimination , then we can take discrimination, then we can take legal that should be it. legal action that should be it. we don't punish an we don't need to punish an entire race and to raise entire race and sex to raise anyone up. and it is . white anyone up. and it is. white working class boys that are falling behind in education and who being brought who are currently being brought

up shame . shame up in a climate of shame. shame where their role models and historic heroes their historic heroes and their nation's are nation's achievements are trashed as if they uniquely trashed as if they are uniquely to blame for all the woes in the world, anti—white rhetoric is so prevalent now that businesses and celebs feel at ease, commenting negatively on white groups of people openly. it is racist and it needs called out. if we let this go unchecked, the question is who is next? the woke stasi won't stop with white men. next it will be women and black people not being black enough.the black people not being black enough. the woke end eating enough. the woke end up eating the woke. no one is safe unless we stop sanitising the discrimination of white men. diversity at all costs will cost us all. diversity at all costs will cost us.yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so benjamin , what do you >> so benjamin, what do you think about the discrimination of white men in the office or workplace at the moment? it's not just aviva. there have been many adverts now, you know, discouraging white people from applying. do think is applying. do you think this is healthy are healthy in your woke world? are >> i mean, the idea that white men discriminated against in men are discriminated against in any is completely any meaningful way is completely absurd. they have enormous numbers of natural advantages ,

numbers of natural advantages, structural advantages in the system. and that's why things like trying to hire people from minority backgrounds or other backgrounds , like having a backgrounds, like having a disability maybe sexuality disability or maybe a sexuality that's underrepresented is important because they don't get the opportunity on a structural level that white men do. and when you talk about meritocracy , when you talk about meritocracy, kc, i really find it very hard to believe. if you look at the quality of some of the white men in parliament, that they were really , they were really there on merit, they were there because they had many there because they had so many advantages in the first place that wide that those doors were wide open for walk and for them to walk through. and the that, you know, if the fact is that, you know, if you're a muslim woman on a council going council estate, there are going to be a more in to be a lot more barriers in your than if you're a bloke your way than if you're a bloke that went to eton and is white. >> all have the opportunities >> we all have the opportunities to get what we all to work hard and get what we all get. school and get. opportunities at school and personal responsibility , personal responsibility, personal responsibility, personal responsibility, personal responsibility for the bad decisions you make in life. you know, we need to talk about that not ready to that as well, not be ready to point the blame at this. this made up structural or made up structural racism or sexism . i, as a woman, would sexism. i, as a woman, would hate to feel like got job

hate to feel like i got a job based the fact was based on the fact i was. i was female and not based on merit. >> the problem with that argument , >> the problem with that argument, belinda, the argument, belinda, is that the truth a lot of white men truth is that a lot of white men get the job because they're a white man, because the person they don't approve it says who? because much because they have so much culturally in common with the person hiring them. they get the jobs the mediocre white jobs because the mediocre white men this country, they have men run this country, they have for a long 2023 prime minister is for goodness sake. is asian for goodness sake. >> what do you mean? white people country? people run the country? suella braverman secretary braverman was home secretary kemi badenoch minister. >> the very fact that you can name that aren't name the people that aren't speaks and also speaks volumes, right? and also i would point out not with suella braverman, but often the sort of ethnic minority people suella braverman, but often the sort get thnic minority people suella braverman, but often the sort get toric minority people suella braverman, but often the sort get to those rority people suella braverman, but often the sort get to those positions,»le suella braverman, but often the sort get to those positions, the that get to those positions, the women to those positions women who get to those positions tend far . more women who get to those positions tend far. more capable tend to be far. more capable than the white men. they're replacing. >> so the only reason you're on this panel is because ticked >> so the only reason you're on tidiversity is because ticked >> so the only reason you're on tidiversity checkbox, ticked >> so the only reason you're on tidiversity checkbox, and ticked >> so the only reason you're on tidiversity checkbox, and it:ked >> so the only reason you're on tidiversity checkbox, and it was a diversity checkbox, and it was actually the checkbox we ticked was clinically insane. was being clinically insane. after that . nonsense it just after that. nonsense it just spouted, there were a few things that i would mention. >> maybe up >> so maybe to back up what benjamin do benjamin is saying, we do know that cvs that are

that when we have cvs that are sent out ethnic sounding names do not do as well in employment as english and european sounding names. that is a that is an undisputed fact. so that perhaps goesin undisputed fact. so that perhaps goes in favour of what you are saying, actually i would say saying, but actually i would say we need stop focusing on we need to stop focusing on things like race, whether or not we're talking about white people , black people, gay people , the , black people, gay people, the biggest factors that determine life outcomes are whether or not you're from a single parent household and the postcode that you are brought up in. now that has been missing from all of the discussion. week discussion. i think this week with everyone with the case at aviva, everyone has been saying anti—white racism . belinda, i'm afraid you racism. belinda, i'm afraid you did that . that is just as bad as did that. that is just as bad as people saying the reason, the reason aren't getting reason people aren't getting jobs. reason. hold reason people aren't getting jobrthat reason. hold reason people aren't getting jobrthat is reason. hold reason people aren't getting jobrthat is just reason. hold reason people aren't getting jobrthat is just asreason. hold reason people aren't getting jobrthat is just as bad>n. hold reason people aren't getting jobrthat is just as bad as hold on. that is just as bad as people saying the reason people aren't getting jobs because aren't getting jobs is because they're main factors they're black. the main factors are where you grew up and your family structure, and we need to talk those factors more talk about those factors more to be saying that be diplomatic by saying that both sides are a joke, not. >> is anti—white racism. >> there is anti—white racism. look, this week, the look, in boston, this week, the mayor of boston out an

mayor of boston sends out an email saying christmas party for all council workers barring the whites . you had aviva this week, whites. you had aviva this week, you had the raf, who apologised whites. you had aviva this week, you ha this; raf, who apologised whites. you had aviva this week, you ha this year, who apologised whites. you had aviva this week, you ha this year after apologised whites. you had aviva this week, you ha this year after an ologised earlier this year after an inquiry. they were found to have positively discriminated against white people by refusing to hire white people by refusing to hire white pilots on a training scheme. goes on and on and scheme. it goes on and on and on. to say. there's not white on. so to say. there's not white racism , the red arrows, the red racism, the red arrows, the red arrows raf just had to arrows in the raf just had to apologise having apologise for having a misogynistic and rape culture issues . issues. >> right? that's what happens when charge . when white men are in charge. >> okay. when white men are in charge. >> colour okay. when white men are in charge. >> colour if:ay. when white men are in charge. >> colour if white people are >> colour as if white people are white to blame white men are uniquely to blame for sexual predators. for being sexual predators. predators also the bad in predators also the bad apples in every race. >> benjamin. there's a lot more in white all those >> benjamin. there's a lot more in things. all those >> benjamin. there's a lot more in things. serious all those >> benjamin. there's a lot more in things. serious issues.»se other things. serious issues. well, he said mentioned white well, he said he mentioned white people having some kind of structural advantage within the system. do you say to those system. what do you say to those white in rotherham who white girls in rotherham who were ignored and were totally ignored and sidelined because of the fact that they were dismissed as, and i quote, white slags, what structural advantage did they have? >> where's the white privilege there? benjamin first of all, to

say that white exists say that white privilege exists isn't to say that there aren't say that white privilege exists isn't tpeoplerat there aren't say that white privilege exists isn't tpeople who rere aren't say that white privilege exists isn't tpeople who have,'en't say that white privilege exists isn't tpeople who have, you know, white people who have, you know, toughened significantly disadvantaged backgrounds. >> saying that if they were >> it's saying that if they were a or a black girl, a muslim girl or a black girl, that they would an even that they would have an even harder fact is that, harder fight. the fact is that, you know, edward enninful , who you know, edward enninful, who was editor of british vogue, got mistaken for a cleaner when he turned at vogue house. right? turned up at vogue house. right? if show you that if that doesn't show you that people assumptions and people make assumptions and expectations based on race, someone that had worked in that building for 20 years, they thought, . a black thought, because he's. a black man, he must be the cleaner. >> well, we're not saying there isn't racism and sexism. they're not saying subtlety. isn't racism and sexism. they're not widespread] subtlety. isn't racism and sexism. they're not widespread assumption. isn't racism and sexism. they're not benjamin,d assumption. isn't racism and sexism. they're not benjamin, the sumption. isn't racism and sexism. they're not benjamin, the anti )tion. isn't racism and sexism. they're not benjamin, the anti racism >> benjamin, the anti racism movement to if it movement is going to fail if it replaces discrimination with another form of discrimination, replaces discrimination with arwiller form of discrimination, replaces discrimination with arwill failrm of discrimination, replaces discrimination with arwill fail .n of discrimination, replaces discrimination with arwill fail . yeah. iscrimination, it will fail. yeah. >> right. still ahead folks ben leo is going to try to get down with the kids by talking about time magazine person year time magazine person of the year taylor swift. but next the government is still trying to pass the rwanda bill and prime minister rishi sunak was hailing a victory of sorts . this week, a victory of sorts. this week, benjamin butterworth will give you verdict. you with the

you his verdict. you with the saturday five live on gb news .

radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five. your emails are flying in as usual. fortunately no fists are yet to fly because actually on diversity , christine says my on diversity, christine says my pension pot is with aviva, but it won't be after christmas. are it's racism against white people. and as a mixed race person . i can't comment on this. person. i can't comment on this. the best person on merit should get a job not based on colour or sex. >> sex. >> and yet the show is hosted by darren said darren grimes and james said being a white ginger man with blue eyes and freckles on my arms, discrimination is all i've ever known. >> i bet that's true. ginger justice for ginger. that's what we need. >> justice for ginger. i mean, prince harry doesn't need.

>> right, folks? it's time for our next debate. up next, it's the britain. the wokeist man in britain. benjamin butterworth. have the wokeist man in britain. benjamifor utterworth. have the wokeist man in britain. benjamifor utt tonight have the wokeist man in britain. benjamifor utt tonight ? have you got for us tonight? >> uh, don't my gender, >> uh, don't assume my gender, darren. uh, now, this week, we saw the unedifying sight of an unelected prime minister begging his tory mps to vote for the rwanda plan . never has a pm rwanda plan. never has a pm looked so pathetic and weak. i think the leadership elections come round sooner each year, as it feels like rishi won't last much longer. but the rwanda plan to send refugees that arrive on our shores to the african country isn't just bad because it's not going to pass in the courts and is costing a fortune, but also bad policy. one but it's also bad policy. one a lot of people don't realise is that we don't just get to send refugees to rwanda. that arrive here, but their entitled to send rwandans to this country. so if we send 100 there and that's the number specified in the legislation, they can send 100 here. what a farcical excuse. it feels like this is just something the government wants to use to try and use a dividing line labour party and

line with the labour party and my god, it's backfired. this week they said on a tweet that labour had supported having foreign criminals staying in the country. if that's the case, country. now if that's the case, that's a bad thing. but there's a problem there . the rwanda a problem there. the rwanda policy says that if one of these refugees we send to rwanda commits a crime in rwanda, we have to . take them into this have to. take them into this country. so the only ones we keep are the ones break keep are the ones that break the law. it's a total farce. and for this spent £290 this farce, we've spent £290 million so far enough that if we were to send 100 of them there, were to send 100 of them there, we could educate them at eton were to send 100 of them there, we the ld educate them at eton were to send 100 of them there, we the ld edu

we need a deterrent. and actually, party's actually, the labour party's proposals just say, come one, come all and we'll process you here. idea . that the labour here. the idea. that the labour party are going to send anyone back, return them to their country even, dare back, return them to their c say:ry even, dare back, return them to their c say ,y even, dare back, return them to their c say , return even, dare back, return them to their c say , return them even, dare back, return them to their c say , return them to ven, dare back, return them to their c say , return them to the dare back, return them to their c say , return them to the land i say, return them to the land of wines and cheeses. if france . of wines and cheeses. if france. that's not going to happen because you people quite like the setup we have right now, which is mass migration in the hundreds of thousands. which is mass migration in the hundreds of thousands . that's hundreds of thousands. that's upper tier hundreds of thousands. we do need some form of deterrent. i'm not saying that actually the rwanda plan is the best thing since sliced bread. frankly, if i had my way, i would do what australia did under john i would do what australia did underjohn howard and then after that, under tony abbott, where we put people in unsinkable lifeboats and told them back to the country they came from, i would do that to france. i couldn't give two hoots about some european court turning round and saying, well, actually, that's a breach of international law or president macron saying, well, i've actually got my knickers in a

twist over this and i'm not too happy with you. i care about the security stability of this security and stability of this country. and i think that this is poses serious. threat to is poses a serious. threat to both of those things. >> if the fear of dying in the channel as sadly far too many people have, isn't a threat, doesn't put them off, why do you think the idea of being flown to an african country? really? >> because know they >> because they would know they can't would that can't stay. they would know that when here, you will when they get here, you will be ejected . and ejected from the country. and when that is brought into the equation, that allows people to actually get a sense of the fact that we're not some kind of soft touch as a nation, and we're not going over and scratch going to roll over and scratch their with boredom their belly with boredom benefits . benefits. >> the difference with australia benefits. >> thetowedznce with australia benefits. >> thetowed the with australia benefits. >> thetowed the boats australia benefits. >> thetowed the boats backilia is they towed the boats back mid—water wouldn't do that. mid—water we wouldn't do that. no, them in to the uk no, we'd allow them in to the uk first and then fly them to rwanda. and by the way, australia stopped the problem in its weeks . as soon its tracks within weeks. as soon as they doing that , we as they started doing that, we need to do the same. but actually this whole rwanda thing and is a bit

and stopping the boats is a bit of herring. anyway. of a red herring. anyway. darren, talk mass darren, you talk about mass migration of migration and hundreds of thousands a year. we've got the tories in charge. it's down to the who are the useless tories who are enabung the useless tories who are enabling this nonsense. 700,000 people a year, a city the size of birmingham every two years. and you want to talk about tens of thousands coming of thousands a year coming on small i don't small boats. i don't particularly that. particularly care about that. when we've got 700,000 people a year at the year coming in legally at the hands of the tories, the tories are a disgrace. they failed. that's your lot who have who have the last 13 have failed us for the last 13 years. get out . years. and they need to get out. >> actually . am defender of >> i, i actually. am defender of the i actually agree with you on that actually. was the that actually. and who was the person that up the person that came up with the rwanda plan and on liberalisation , on liberalising liberalisation, on liberalising immigration rules after brexit? bofis immigration rules after brexit? boris johnson and priti patel, they both came up with those ideas and implemented those policies . and i now think rwanda policies. and i now think rwanda was a distraction because they knew that net migration was going to go up. well up. >> france recently deported . >> france recently deported. a terror suspect again against a

strasbourg ruling. they stood up for their national security , for for their national security, for pubuc for their national security, for public safety, against international law. the fact that conservative party refuses to do that and continue to kneel at the altar of impressing their international friends while putting us at risk, i think is a massive betrayal of the tory party. say , oh, we've party. and you say, oh, we've got the legal got to focus on the legal migration . yes, of course, but migration. yes, of course, but having documented men in their hundreds of thousands is such a betrayal that it makes us feel safe, especially women and girls. it is right. do girls. it is not right. we do not know who's in country, not know who's in this country, especially as the terrorist threat up . what we threat is going up. what we should cap refugees at should do is cap refugees at 20,000 to resettle here. take them straight from camps. anyone who comes here because lorries are a problem to . it's not just are a problem to. it's not just the boats we straight back the boats we take straight back to france by the boats. i don't care we ruffle macron's care if we ruffle macron's feathers, he'll deal feathers, he'll have to deal with help with it and we can at least help genuine refugees, women and children who don't have tens of thousands of pounds to pay the smugglers . smugglers. >> the thing say about >> the one thing i'll say about breaking is we breaking international law is we can't, one of can't, as a country, as one of the countries that invented the

world liberal order, then, then go and break international law. >> a and also also >> it's a and also and also criticise iran, china and russia for doing the same when it's convenient for them. >> just makes me >> i just it makes me uncomfortable it uncomfortable using iran and it makes to chain makes me uncomfortable to chain us to bad international law. we can it. don't can change it. why don't we campaign to change it rather than we'll than breaking it? okay we'll have to move on there. >> still ahead folks , we've got >> still ahead folks, we've got one topic. ben, leo is one more topic. and ben, leo is going say on taylor going to have his say on taylor swift being named person of the yeah swift being named person of the year. you would could year. you would think he could just shake it off, seems . just shake it off, but it seems. we're not out of the woods quite yet. you with the saturday five live on gb news

welcome back to the saturday five as always. cheers very much for your company and your emails on rwanda. jenny's written in and jenny says i just want to see a solution to this chaos. now i mean, i'm as frustrated as jenny is, to be honest. the government's handling of rwanda

has laughable . well, that's has been laughable. well, that's something we can all agree on. i think maria says. red wall think maria says. i'm a red wall voter , and i can tell you that voter, and i can tell you that the only joke on migration is the only joke on migration is the labour party. if they get in, we can look forward to years of blame , blame and more blame. of blame, blame and more blame. the only person benjamin button both won't be blaming is the labour party. so there we are, steve, says benjamin, i've got more chance of passing my kidney stones deal . stones than the rwanda deal. well, there are. that's well, there we are. that's van—tam. i'm sorry, steve, that you're going through such a dramatic time. up next, it's ben leon. he's going to finish off the evening . ben, what are you the evening. ben, what are you talking about? >> okay , i think i'm going >> okay, i think i'm going to upset with this, upset a few people with this, but magazine but here we go. time magazine announced its coveted person of the year award this week. the prestigious previously won prestigious prize previously won by the of i don't know, by the likes of i don't know, winston churchill, our great former prime minister, or the beloved great queen beloved late great queen elizabeth ii, and even elon musk. in 2021. the man who wants to expand humanity's consciousness to mars. so who

scooped this year's prize is someone who's cracked the mystery of dark matter, perhaps cured cancer? or what about someone who simply done good in their community? well no, none of those. it's taylor swift, the one woman, man hating machine who has reached billionaire status by banging on song after song about how undateable she is something i just can't shake off. excuse the taylor pun, but she has millions of mostly young female fans who completely idolise her for the inability to hold down a relationship. when's it becoming so dysfunctional, become so . fashionable now, become so. fashionable now, look, i'm sure she's a lovely person and it's nothing personal, taylor, but you're 34 years old. you've been years old. you've never been married, you've got no kids, you've . got at least ten ex you've. got at least ten ex boyfriends, and your hit songs are called you need to down are called you need to calm down .look are called you need to calm down . look what you made me do. don't blame me. and knew don't blame me. and i knew you were . look, i don't know were trouble. look, i don't know about you , but it appears the about you, but it appears the common for trouble common denominator for trouble here appears you , taylor

here appears to be you, taylor swift. so no offence , swifties, swift. so no offence, swifties, you idolise one of society's worst role models. and i know it probably brings western women comfort to know that someone of taylor's status goes through the same turmoils as they same romantic turmoils as they do, difference is she's do, but the difference is she's laughing all the way to the bank while doing it, probably at while doing it, and probably at you as well. that time you as well. and that time person magazine of the year award should be going someone award should be going to someone who our young people, who empowers our young people, not pushes the not someone who pushes the victimhood philosophy of everyone else is to blame. but me. belinda, you're a big swiftie oh my gosh . swiftie oh my gosh. >> uh, look, i'm no fan of constant whining about men in songs. it was what put me off adele actually, in the long run. but i love taylor swift. i have adored her upbeat, fun music . adored her upbeat, fun music. look, i don't think she's worthy of a platform sharing with winston churchill or anything like that, but is only 34. like that, but she is only 34. it's much harder for women to, you know, have children and look after them while touring the world and doing all the music concerts is for guys. concerts than it is for guys. so. not married

so. so what if she's not married and settled down yet and maybe, you know, she's just waiting for her true love, and sometimes that till later. that doesn't come till later. >> that, isn't just >> i get that, but isn't it just her track record of what track record going through? >> why why is she? she's >> why is she why is she? she's a model in your opinion. >> because she's had more than one boyfriend. >> not 20. >> she's not about 20. >> she's not about 20. >> married and she >> she's not married and she doesn't have any children. >> boyfriends ? >> how many boyfriends? >> how many boyfriends? >> any >> and she doesn't have any children. the age of 34, children. at the age of 34, i mean, total arrant mean, again, total arrant nonsense. the reason why taylor swift is the time person of the yearis swift is the time person of the year is because she is about to have the world's highest grossing tour of all time. it's going to be over $1,000,000,000 billion gross on the eras tour. >> it's because she is with men. well what what do men sing about ? sorry. well, who's your favourite ? favourite singer? >> my favourite like >> my favourite singer. i like bands, blink182. >> and what they sing about? >> and what do they sing about? do about relationships do they sing about relationships ? do they about ? do they sing about relationships ? uh, yes. yes they relationships? uh, yes. yes they do. so it's all right for blink182 now and then just to sing about relationships. >> taylor >> but not taylor swift. >> but not taylor swift. >> that's. >> no. but now and then, that's. that's not they've built

>> no. but now and then, that's. that'whole they've built >> no. but now and then, that's. that'whole reputation.e built their whole reputation. >> what else they saying their whole reputation. >> theyt else they saying their whole reputation. >> theyt else hold?iey saying about they can't hold? >> way about they can't hold? >> being way about they can't hold? >> being where way about they can't hold? >> being where you way about they can't hold? >> being where you go way about they can't hold? >>being where you go throughy of being where you go through man after you can't hold man after man. you can't hold down a relationship. and she has some titles that you don't rubbish. >> the way you talk about her, you know, i'm going to to you know, i'm going to have to call told because call you. i told leo, because your of how a woman your expectations of how a woman should behave are ridiculous and controlling. that's actually controlling. that's actually controlling . you know, first of controlling. you know, first of all, you talked about how churchill had time person all, you talked about how churchyearad time person all, you talked about how churchyearad yearime person all, you talked about how churchyearad year before rson all, you talked about how churchyearad year before that of the year the year before that it and few years it was stalin, and a few years later was you know, later it was hitler. you know, time of the year is a time person of the year is a recognition person that's recognition of the person that's had impact. not had the biggest impact. it's not necessarily a compliment. right and the fact is that not only does she have the biggest grossing tour , but she's grossing tour, but she's actually now the most successful p0p actually now the most successful pop time . she's pop star of all time. she's overtaken michael jackson in terms of reach. yeah, that's great. >> and i applaud her for that. >> and i applaud her for that. >> and i applaud her for that. >> and that is an you know, i don't many don't think you'd have many people saying that. michael jackson because the worthy of it because the cultural impact is enormous . and cultural impact is enormous. and the fact is you here the fact is that, you know, here is from a very normal is a woman from a very normal middle class american background. she writes her own music. she's become globally

famous. she's never committed crime. >> i'm not saying she's not successful. >> she doesn't do the sort of uncomfortable , hyper sexualised uncomfortable, hyper sexualised behaviours that some people do. she around insulting she doesn't go around insulting and making foul mouthed comments about other pop stars. she doesn't bring down other women. she does earn a huge amount. >> , come off it. >> benjamin, come off it. >> benjamin, come off it. >> there of people and she >> there we go of people and she pays her staff properly. >> i'm saying poor. pays her staff properly. >> okay saying poor. pays her staff properly. >> okay , saying poor. pays her staff properly. >> okay , that'sg poor. pays her staff properly. >> okay , that's enough,)oor. pays her staff properly. >> okay , that's enough, that's >> okay, that's enough, that's enough. i'm saying she's not enough. i'm not saying she's not talented. that is a role model. i'm saying not i'm not saying she's not talented. she's talented. i'm not saying she's beautiful. what have she talented. i'm not saying she's bealshe l. what have she talented. i'm not saying she's bealshe and 1at have she talented. i'm not saying she's bealshe and she1ave she talented. i'm not saying she's bealshe and she could. shere and she and she could. i'm here on a saturday, five talking about kids is his argument. oh. married i've got kids. but look, i just slightly. but the fact that she's built her entire reputation on the fact that she hates men and can't hold down doesn't hate young women. doesn't hate men to young women. >> she's got a boyfriend so young. >> she's got a boyfriend so young . oh, she's going out with >> she's got a boyfriend so yotnfl oh, she's going out with >> she's got a boyfriend so yotnfl player|e's going out with >> she's got a boyfriend so yotnfl player from oing out with >> she's got a boyfriend so yotnfl player from the out with >> she's got a boyfriend so yotnfl player from the last with an nfl player from the last couple have couple of weeks. we'll have to leave there. couple of weeks. we'll have to lea'she there. couple of weeks. we'll have to lea'she lived. highbury >> she lived in highbury north. i think her i just i just think with her boyfriend to leave it there, that could go on. >> on and i she's >> and on and on. i think she's brilliant. is it. brilliant. this is it. >> i'm finally going to out

>> i'm finally going to walk out , folks. >> thank very much to our >> thank you very much to our guests tonight, wonderful guests tonight, the wonderful beunda guests tonight, the wonderful belinda deluise. and in fact, one says, great to one email, helen says, great to have belinda and ben back on reminds me of saturday nights as a kid watching the a—team. thank you very much, helen. next up, it's brilliant leo kearse it's the brilliant leo kearse with the night showdown with the saturday night showdown . cheers very much for watching. we'll see you week we'll see you next week and you're to get the weather you're going to get the weather from now . from jonathan right now. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on . gb news. hello there. >> i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . rain warnings are office. rain warnings are in force western scotland force across western scotland throughout evening and throughout this evening and overnight, potential for overnight, with potential for a month's worth of rain falling by the end the the time we reach the end of the weekend . so do take care here. weekend. so do take care here. elsewhere it will be a drier night. still, outbreaks of night. still, some outbreaks of drizzle to out and the drizzle to watch out for and the cloud thickening in cloud will also be thickening in where you hold on to few where you hold on to a few clearer might see clearer spells. you might see the odd patch temperatures, the odd mist patch temperatures, perhaps six

perhaps getting down into six seven but seven degrees celsius, but elsewhere it will be an unseasonably , not unseasonably mild night, not falling much lower than 10 or 11 c for northern ireland and scotland. that rain then ends place still for western scotland. it will persistent scotland. it will be persistent throughout the day sunday. throughout the day on sunday. potential and potential for flooding and transport , even some transport disruption, even some landslides due this amount of landslides due to this amount of rainfall. again, england and wales should stay drier, the cloud to break its way cloud wanting to break its way up afternoon , up into the afternoon, particularly to the eastern side of the country. temperatures particularly to the eastern side of th againrtry. temperatures particularly to the eastern side of th again my temperatures particularly to the eastern side of th again 11 perhapsratures particularly to the eastern side of th again 11 perhaps ranging here again 11 perhaps ranging into 13 c. as we head into monday. that frontal system that is stuck across northern scotland will slowly drift its way southwards, now spreading more into northern ireland. northern england , parts of wales northern england, parts of wales as well. we'll turn into quite a drab, dreary and damp day for many of us, the far south—east perhaps staying dry still with a fair amount of around , but fair amount of cloud around, but some brighter spells pushing their far their way into the far north—west scotland north—west of scotland with a few , but also some few showers, but also some fresher conditions, fresher and cooler conditions, so temperatures will falling so temperatures will be falling their way off northern their way off across northern areas as we head areas of the uk as we head throughout bye i

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