gb news. okay hello and welcome to gb news sunday. >> thank you forjoining us this >> thank you for joining us this lunchtime. i'm dawn neesom and for the next two hours i'll be keeping you company on tv, onune keeping you company on tv, online and on digital radio. a cracking show coming up sparkling even. uh, right. okay. coming up in the first hour, rishi sunak has blamed hostile states for britain's migration crisis. the prime minister also said international law was an obstacle. his comments came as a visitor, a far right festival in italy, where he reiterated , italy, where he reiterated, reiterated his pledge to stop those boats. he does mention it a bit, doesn't he doesn't do anything, though. meanwhile, steve coogan says prince harry's victory against the mirror newspaper group is a start of something. what could he possibly mean? the comedian, who was phone hacking was a victim of phone hacking himself, the press needs to

himself, says the press needs to be accountable and the be accountable and that the industry proper regulation industry needs proper regulation and the doctor won't see you. now, obviously not talking doctor who, the real doctor, according to the times, millions more members of the public are now waiting over a month to see a gp resulting in a surge of private health insurance . well, private health insurance. well, we'll be asking what can be done to resolve resolve this crisis. and this is all about you, not me . even though i'm wearing me. even though i'm wearing sparkles. and i bet you're not. uh do get in touch. send us your thoughts on gb views at gb news. com or send us a message on socials. really just gb socials. really easy just at gb news. let's out news. but first let's find out what is with sam what the news is with sam francis . francis. >> dawn. thank you. good afternoon. i'm sam francis. the headunes afternoon. i'm sam francis. the headlines at one. there's been growing pressure on israel this morning with david cameron joining germany's foreign affairs minister in calling for affairs minister in calling for a ceasefire in gaza in a joint article for the sunday times, the foreign secretary warned

that too many civilians have been killed and that it's time for a sustainable ceasefire. the intervention is a significant shift in the government's tone on israel's war against hamas terrorists . however, lord terrorists. however, lord cameron stopped short of calling for immediate ceasefire his for an immediate ceasefire his comments a day after israel comments come a day after israel admitted it had mistakenly shot and killed three hostages as they attempted to flee captivity. mean while israel's prime minister has suggested that fresh talks may be underway aimed at securing the release of more hostages , benjamin more hostages, benjamin netanyahu told reporters that the offensive in gaza had been key to the release of hostages. in november , rishi sunak says in november, rishi sunak says that hostile states are to blame for britain's migration crisis. that's as he works to rally more support for what he's called radical measures to prevent illegal migration. the prime minister said opposing nations would drive people to our shores here in the uk and destabilise the west. that's unless leaders crack down on small boat crossings. it comes after rishi sunak travelled to rome to meet

italy's italy's right wing prime minister he told giorgia meloni that growing migration numbers are overwhelming. the ability for international governments to help those who need it most , and help those who need it most, and the man who led a rebellion against the government's rwanda migration bill, told gb news this morning that an amendment could be on the way as soon as january. speaking to camilla tominey mark francois said that opposition to rwanda's plan risked making perfect the enemy of good. but he insisted that the bill must be workable and that the amendment would bolster its effectiveness if the good doesn't work, then it's not good enough. >> it needs it needs to be good enough . now, on a positive note , enough. now, on a positive note, sir, bill cash is already talking to government lawyers about trying to come up with an amendment that actually , if you amendment that actually, if you like, would fill those holes . like, would fill those holes. that would be a very positive thing. so if anybody can draft that amendment, it's bill. yes. so he and others are talking to

the government in a positive way about trying to draft something to make sure that the bill is fit for purpose and that amendment will be tabled in time for the committee stage, which is probably going to be in the second half of january . second half of january. >> labour has accused the government of sending the nhs into the colder months naked, amid warnings of a winter crisis . the shadow health secretary told gb news that part of the funding crisis facing the health system was due to excessive red tape. streeting promised tape. wes streeting promised that a labour government would work to make gps more accessible i >> -- >> i'm just trying to send a message to everyone that the pubuc message to everyone that the public finances are in a mess thanks to this shower of a government money is going to be tight and we've got to make sure that every penny of taxpayers money is well spent and the argument on the nhs can't just be more money, it has to be reform and modernisation. otherwise i fear that our nhs, as it has been for 75 years, a pubuc as it has been for 75 years, a public service free at the point of use, something i

fundamentally believe in will be at risk . at risk. >> well, a teenager who disappeared six years ago has been reunited with his family here in the uk. been reunited with his family here in the uk . alex batty was here in the uk. alex batty was 11 when he went missing on ii when he went missing on houdayin ii when he went missing on holiday in spain. it's thought he was taken by his mother and grandfather, who aren't his legal guardians, to live an alternative lifestyle abroad . he alternative lifestyle abroad. he was found walking alone on a remote stretch of road in the south of france in the early hours of wednesday morning. law was on drink spiking are to be modernised as calls are growing for more action to protect women. more than 5000 cases of needle and drink spiking were reported to police in england and wales in 2022, and there are now calls to make it a specific offence with the government due to set out its plans next week. and for the first time, same sex couples will be able to kneel together to receive a blessing as part of church of england's services. the prayers of love and faith are now allowed to be used in general services from today. for those in civil partnerships marriages,

partnerships and marriages, there's not been any official changes to the rules , and the changes to the rules, and the church england does carry church of england does not carry out marriages well , out same sex marriages well, that's the latest from the gb newsroom. for more, we're across the uk on tv , on digital radio the uk on tv, on digital radio and on our website , gb news.com. and on our website, gb news.com. now though, more from dawn . now though, more from dawn. >> thank you very much sam and happy sunday everybody. so let's get straight into today's topic , get straight into today's topic, shall we? prime minister rishi sunak has said that hostile states will drive people to our shores to destabilise western nafions shores to destabilise western nations unless leaders crack down on illegal migration. on a visit to meet italian premier giorgia meloni, the prime minister said that asylum conventions must be revamped, adding that the growing numbers are, quote, overwhelming. our capacity to help those who genuinely need our help most. so um, now let's see what my panel make of this one. i'm thrilled

to say on this sunday afternoon, i'm joined by the very lovely emma webb, director of the common sense society, and the equally lovely denis macshane, former labour minister, who has just confessed to me, he's come here hot foot from soho, where here hot foot from soho, where he was working, i believe you said. yes. yes. working. yes soho. he was working. right. okay not that way in any case. so um, now what do we make of this story? this is obviously rishi sunak, who was in italy yesterday, a right wing festival in rome, meeting giorgia meloni, the italian leader . and edi the italian leader. and edi rama, the albanian leader. elon musk was also present. for some random reason. i can't quite work out, but he did advise everybody to have more children, which the which would sort out the immigration possible. in any case. now at front page of case. now at the front page of today's on today's daily mail. mail on sunday, telegraph have sunday, avon and telegraph have done strong headlines done very, very strong headlines on rhetoric rishi done very, very strong headlines on used rhetoric rishi done very, very strong headlines on used umtoric rishi done very, very strong headlines on used um rishieishi done very, very strong headlines on used um rishi illegal sunak used um rishi illegal migrants will overwhelm the uk and mp hostile states using migration to destabilise the

west. dennis, i'm going to come to you first on this one. um, what do you make of the language? rishi was using at this, at this , um, conference in italy? >> well, it's appropriate for the conference because it was very, very right wing steve bannon. i mean, a complete wingnut on immigration who even trump sacked because he was . oh, right. >> i'm sorry. i think we've got a slight sound problem with you. sorry. it's like technical issues. so i'm sorry i haven't cancelled you. i'm just going to go to you first. emma, all go to you first. emma, it's all that stuff, know ? um, that soho stuff, you know? um, emma, hanging around emma, you weren't hanging around soho now before, you know . soho just now before, you know. well, so good. we can well, you know, so good. we can talk so what do you talk to you. um, so what do you make story? what do you make of this story? what do you think rishi's language? think of rishi's language? it's very braverman, it? very suella braverman, isn't it? >> i think in any context, he's. he's right. it's. i mean, it's obvious, right, that this is this security risk. a lot this is a security risk. a lot of people have been saying this for a long time. and he is in a way, is aping suella way, he is aping suella braverman because the braverman because in the comments that she made to him in that, robust

that, um, very robust letter after pages of it weren't after he pages of it weren't there. and she was she was literally a book. she was she was very, very robust as you would expect. and sort of would expect. and he's sort of mimicking and one mimicking her language. and one of actually of the papers has actually pointed well this pointed out as well that this language of overwhelming is actually reminiscent of something that said something that thatcher said back the about the way back in the 1970s about the way that , um, back in the 1970s about the way that, um, that people in this country would be sort of culturally overwhelmed or swamped. can't remember swamped. i can't remember exactly the phrasing exactly what the phrasing was, but absolutely and but he's absolutely right. and of course, this is going to be used other countries used by other countries to destabilise the west. it's completely obvious. but of course, we've had a conservative government now for, for, um, effectively for 15 years. there's no excuse as to why this is being dealt with at the final hour right before the general election. so i think that probably his use of language here is cynical. i don't necessarily think that he really believes this, because i think that bit wet on that he's a bit wet on immigration. um, but it's good news aping suella news that he is aping suella braverman way . news that he is aping suella braverman way. um, and braverman in this way. um, and of course, it is completely obvious. giorgia meloni of course , will agree with that,

course, will agree with that, because she's much further to the right than rishi sunak is. but we to deal with it but we need to deal with it because national security because it's a national security issue. >> dennis. >> dennis. >> we can, we can we can talk to you now. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> uncanceled you're back >> you're uncanceled you're back in as it were, away in the room as it were, away from soho. away from soho. right okay. was working people, okay. he was working people, honestly. you make of honestly. so what do you make of initial volley language. initial volley the language. rishi using, which rishi was using, which obviously, know, the mail obviously, you know, the mail and sunday telegraph have and the sunday telegraph have picked their picked up and used on their headunes picked up and used on their headlines today , but also headlines today, but also the fact he was there in the fact that he was there in the first he seem very, first place. he does seem very, very good friends with giorgia meloni, doesn't he? >> an odd one. she is >> it's an odd one. she is directly descended from mussolini politics. i'm not herself, but the party she belongs to was founded just after the war to commemorate to keep alive the spirit of mussolini. she she was changed enormously since she became prime minister. for example, she's completely now pro—europe ian because, of course, she likes the money that comes from europe. she is no longer pro—putin . she's supporting all pro—putin. she's supporting all of us, or most of us on the war

in ukraine. and she's taken up some very odd ideas. for example, she's a fanatical anti vegan, an anti—vegf aryan and food meat made from plant based products is now. it's now illegal to sell them in in in italy. i didn't know what this has got to do with mussolini or fascism or immigration. i really don't know. >> she made it illegal to sell. >> she made it illegal to sell. >> so. so vegans like you, dawn, don't go to italy on your houdayin don't go to italy on your holiday in the future. >> well, obviously not. >> well, obviously not. >> and other is a >> and the other thing is a really nasty , uh, anti gay really nasty, uh, anti gay stuff. effectively saying that gay couples who adopt children , gay couples who adopt children, those children are denied all civic rights to go to school, access to health care. and it's just pandering to really quite wacko elements in italian society . why rishi is so keen on society. why rishi is so keen on it? she's also invited 425,000 non eu immigrants to enter italy because there's such labour

shortages is the problem that's driving this isn't his wacko silly idea that somewhere there's a there are evil wizards of oz who are driving immigrants into england. it's just as a huge demand factor from business here, partly because we don't trade. we don't pay. we know all those arguments and how this plays into the broader debate . i plays into the broader debate. i just think for rishi to go bad, bad, bad on on against immigrants from his own family background is a bit silly, right? >> and coming back to you, our emma now last month, italy struck a deal with albania that will see that builds to asylum centres for processing 36,000 migrants a year. and we know that 153,000 migrants made landfall in italy last year. they have a far, far worse illegal immigration problem than we do . there is some debate we do. there is some debate about this will actually go ahead. there's obviously legal challenges, as is always the case with these things. but how do you think that rishi sunaks rhetoric and the fact he was out

there and it's quite clearly very friends giorgia very good friends with giorgia meloni, they both became meloni, i mean, they both became leader roughly time leader at roughly the same time in respective countries. leader at roughly the same time in do respective countries. leader at roughly the same time in do respthink countries. leader at roughly the same time in do resp think that'sries. leader at roughly the same time in do respthink that's going to how do you think that's going to go down with red wall in go down with the red wall in this country ? this country? >> well , i this country? >> well, i think that this country? >> well , i think that the >> um, well, i think that the like you were saying , you like you were saying, you described it as rhetoric. i think he's actually just saying something that's very obvious to many people. i think that will go down well with red wall voters, because there's a lot of common sense up in the north. um, italy, from strategic um, italy, from a strategic perspective, comes to perspective, when it comes to deaung perspective, when it comes to dealing migrant crisis, dealing with the migrant crisis, italy important italy is strategically important because one of the main because that is one of the main access points. it's close to nonh access points. it's close to north africa, as you said. we've seen footage huge numbers of seen footage of huge numbers of nonh seen footage of huge numbers of north african migrants coming into the south of italy. they have a really serious problem with this. it's dangerous to italy's national security, but it also has an impact on us. so, um, the point of this is that rishi needs to work with the italian government in order to break the model of people trafficking that eventually ends up in calais and ends up with the small boats crossing the

channel but the point is that as he's specifically referring to here, that in in countries like belarus have been known to send people over the border, potentially with the aim of destabilising the european union, finland is now accusing russia of doing the same thing, sending migrants into finland and into the european union to destabilise us. of course, we you know, it's naive to think that the that western countries don't have enemies out there in the world and migration is an obvious way of leveraging disruption in order to get a strategic geopolitical advantage . so it would be naive of to us think that this is not something that either is happening or could happen. so i would i would steer away from describing this as because of course, as rhetoric, because of course, in some is because he is in some ways it is because he is mimicking the robustness of suella. bravalla. yeah, but but this is also common sense. this is obvious . and it's as i say, is obvious. and it's as i say, it's naive to think that this is not happening. >> then it's coming back to you.

do think this is demonising do you think this is demonising migrants, though? obviously migrants, though? oh, obviously it time. it happens all the time. >> very unpleasant. we're >> it's very unpleasant. we're getting astonishing >> it's very unpleasant. we're getting on astonishing >> it's very unpleasant. we're getting on british nishing >> it's very unpleasant. we're getting on british jews 1g >> it's very unpleasant. we're getting on british jews now, attacks on british jews now, which unacceptable. but we've which is unacceptable. but we've had live with all my had to live with all my political life slightly lower level, equally unpleasant level, one equally unpleasant attack on anybody an attack on anybody who's an immigrant generally defined by the their skin . and the colour of their skin. and nobody made much of a fuss about it then, and it's getting worse all the time, actually , i all the time, actually, i completely agree. uh, there , completely agree. uh, there, that countries do use immigration to destabilise the turks tried to push people for, uh, syrian refugees into greece to undermine the greek government. why do they come from north africa? because david cameron, as prime minister for foolishly not learning any of the lessons of iraq , supported the lessons of iraq, supported massive intervention to destroy the libyan state. so you have a failed state there. and when you have a failed state, all the borders are open and everybody comes flooding through. that is one area we might look at and

i'm very pleased, if i may say so. kept saying he's trying so. you kept saying he's trying to destabilise the eu. to destabilise us in the eu. this is great news. or gb news that people are talking about us in the eu. things are changing. >> the european union i know you did not. >> it's not don't try to make me look like a europhile. >> dennis. >> dennis. >> i know it's nearly christmas. i a christmas present. >> to be fair, but but i mean, it's actually dividual countries. >> the belarus want to destabilise belarusian . sorry, destabilise belarusian. sorry, want to destabilise rpl poland. uh erdogan wants to destabilise greece. uh, france briefly shut its borders with italy, but it's good that british government and italian government are talking. uh, i'm not sure going to real you know, real sort of weirdo assembly in rome of right wing wackos is quite the thing i expected of a british prime minister but who knows, all's changing. but the other thing is good. we should be working with france with all of the european countries, europe's actually getting really getting in the neck from liberals and left

wingers, because it's being very, very tough on immigration at the borders with europe . and at the borders with europe. and certainly if we were, we were more friendly with europe instead of the posturing of the last few years, perhaps we could get more french cops, british cops. get more french cops, british cops . all you need is a nice cops. all you need is a nice stanley knife. every time you see a rubber digger , you you see a rubber digger, you you slit it. it sinks. it can't sail. that's that's terribly right wing. >> dennis. >> dennis. >> i'm sorry . i >> dennis. >> i'm sorry. i mean, immigration frightens me . i've immigration frightens me. i've seen it all my life. how disturbed, how awful. enoch powell was. he also said we're being swamped by immigrants . being swamped by immigrants. invaded by immigrants. it's funny that, rishi, if i may, a historical illusion was on a photo call with giorgia meloni on the banks of the tiber , and on the banks of the tiber, and enoch referred to a river foaming with blood that was the tiber . uh, now, it foaming with blood that was the tiber. uh, now, it didn't happen. he wanted to send home rishi parents. >> do you think rishi thought that deeply about this? >> oh, he's a very educated.

went to the poshest private schools in the country. >> so i somehow don't think that rishi making an intentional, rishi was making an intentional, intentional here, but intentional reference here, but i do. i do think it's worth saying that we culturally in the west, we get the heebie jeebies about power. we think that power is a dangerous thing that leads to war. but the reality is that power is also the thing that sustains peace. and i think that when to the way that when it comes to the way that other countries behave, to, like i say, it's naive not think i say, it's naive not to think this happening. it's this is what's happening. it's just there are just common sense. there are countries there who have countries out there who have strategic interests in undermining countries, undermining western countries, um, we cannot allow um, that we cannot allow a situation in to continue where it's possible for countries like turkey, belarus, russia or even china to hold us hostage , to china to hold us hostage, to hold a gun against our head and use migration often, which is something that is very difficult for us to control because of the weaknesses in our legal weaknesses in our own legal systems that come from the fact that we're liberal democracies systems that come from the fact that those liberal democracies systems that come from the fact that those other|l democracies systems that come from the fact that those other countriesacies systems that come from the fact that those other countries are; and those other countries are not. we have to be very sensible about this. we have to have a

kind of bit of real politic when we approach this, and we have to recognise that we do have to exert power, and i have to say, i think that i actually think that the european union, very european union, in its very foundations, has had the effect of western countries of making western countries impotent in and i think that we would be stronger as independent countries together. but that's a whole debate about the. it whole other debate about the. it certainly is. think we need to certainly is. i think we need to get rid of this heebie jeebie feeling comes the feeling when it comes to the assertion of power. >> almost on the same page, >> so almost on the same page, are sure you're starting are you sure you're starting to worry me? >> is i mean, this >> this is i mean, this taoiseach with a stanley knife, which the right, which you expect from the right, and got sort of. and we've got you sort of. >> and i'm talking to labour friends about the need for labour much more labour to take much more seriously. view, the seriously. in my view, the question of immigration, i mean, the rwanda thing is just such a red herring absorbing red herring and is absorbing so much that could much taxpayer money that could be strengthen britain. be used to strengthen britain. but immigration should but i think immigration should worry keir starmer it's worry sir keir starmer it's worrying every government leader in europe. i don't think going to right wing jamborees is a way to right wing jamborees is a way to solve it, but it's perfectly reasonable for sunak pm reasonable for rishi sunak as pm of britain to make some strong

points. >> we have to do something. obviously, rwanda is costing british taxpayers £170,000 per person who managed to get anyone out there other than home secretary is obviously which we're successful doing, we're quite successful at doing, and are costing and the hotels are costing millions year. so millions every year. so there you but i'm leaving you with you go. but i'm leaving you with the image of denis macshane on a beach a stanley beach in france with a stanley knife. that one. knife. good luck with that one. now the best analysis now for all the best analysis and opinion on that story and much go to our much more, you can go to our website gb news news.com. you're watching and listening to gb news with me dawn neesom. news sunday with me dawn neesom. so much more coming up on today's don't where today's show. i don't know where it's to go, to be honest it's going to go, to be honest with you, after this start. uh oh yeah, comedian steve oh yeah, the comedian steve coogan says prince harry's victory mirror victory against the mirror newspaper is the start of newspaper group is the start of something, press something, and that the press needs independent regulation. all that and much more to all of that and much more to come. you're watching and listening. news britain's listening. gb news britain's news go too far

that i knew had dewbs& co weeknights from six. >> welcome back. >> welcome back. >> you're still there gb news sunday with me dawn neesom on your tv online and on digital radio. now, a high court ruling that prince harry's phone has been hacked by mirror group newspapers is the start of something , according to actor something, according to actor steve coogan. coogan says . the steve coogan. coogan says. the ruling exposes flag waving plastic attempt . oh, sorry, plastic attempt. oh, sorry, coogan said. the ruling exposed widespread contempt by high

newspaper editors for the leveson inquiry, which looked at the ethics of the press. coogan himself was a victim of phone hacking by the mirror group and settled in 2017. now this is a huge story. it broke on friday when the judgement was read out. joining me now is jonathan code, a media lawyer, to explain what exactly has happened in this story. jonathan thank you very much for joining story. jonathan thank you very much forjoining me this much for joining me this afternoon. and happy pre—christmas you. pre—christmas sunday to you. now, jonathan, this prince harry sued mirror group newspapers over 148 articles he alleged been illegally obtained. the judge found that 15 of those 33 articles were the product of unlawful information gathering or phone hacking. is this actually a victory for prince harry? is it a legal victory for prince harry? >> well, it's both it's both a legal victory and a moral victory . it's a massive legal victory. it's a massive legal victory. it's a massive legal victory . i was privileged to sit victory. i was privileged to sit in at the trial and all. i can't

i can't tell you what an army of expensive lawyers the mirror sent in to try and make sure this outcome didn't happen . but this outcome didn't happen. but harry's lawyers were relatively there were fewer of them. and i know they were on a different budget. but despite all sorts of things, including a lot of information, a lot of documents being destroyed by the mirror, this is an emphatic win. this is a 360 odd page judgement, which is the most damning indictment possibly possible of a newspaper group. and that's what harry set out to do. it was never about the money, what he wanted to do is to say, look, guys , the is to say, look, guys, the newspaper that you're reading is run by people who you can't trust, and what that means is that we should have a properly regulated press, which, of course, is what steve coogan says. and me, i completely agree. >> i was i was coming on to steve. steve coogan said in an interview overnight. i think it was that this demonstrates widespread contempt by newspaper editors who need to be more

accountable and is calling for a leveson two now. leveson was the inquiry into press ethics that took place in 2012. i think , um, took place in 2012. i think, um, leveson two was always meant to be about the relationship between press and the between the press and the police. whether it will be police. so whether it will be the case again, if there is another one, but you think maybe that harry's case has proved that harry's case has proved that the press are still basically doing what they want ? basically doing what they want? >> well, dawn, it's complicated . >> well, dawn, it's complicated. i mean, the first thing we must remember is that rather than admitting all of this, the mirror has invested staggering sums of money on lawyers to try and cover it up. the second thing that cover up has carried on right until the present. you know, they they did their best for this, not to happen, but thirdly, um, what you may or may not know , and it's clear from not know, and it's clear from the judgement that even during leveson, one, the mirror was still hacking phones . and what still hacking phones. and what that tells you is the complete sense of invulnerability, which

the mirror leadership has ed an absolute sense that whatever they were going to do, they were never going to be held account. now listen, let me tell you one personal anecdote about the relationship the press relationship between the press and the police. there's a good friend of mine who's an ex senior met officer and it was herjob senior met officer and it was her job to senior met officer and it was herjob to search rebekah brooks office. now she was given an a diagram . and in that diagram she diagram. and in that diagram she was shown where in rebekah brooks office, she could search and where she couldn't. now that isn't a scary proposition . i isn't a scary proposition. i don't know what is now . the don't know what is now. the government has been browbeaten into dropping leveson two. leveson himself said it was the wrong thing to do. they absolutely needed to go ahead. it does absolutely need to go ahead. >> okay. and the other thing i wanted to talk to you about, jonathan, is david sherborne, who is harry's barrister, suggested that various mirror group executives therefore lied

under oath at the leveson inquiry. as you've alluded inquiry. as you've also alluded to so could there to yourself. so could there actually a criminal actually be a criminal investigation into mirror group executives, including , i executives, including, i believe, the editor at the time, piers morgan ? piers morgan? >> well, that goes back to my previous point. should there be? absolutely there should be. you know, in the same way andy coulson and rebekah brooks were both held to account in the sense of there being criminal trial. so sly bailey and paul vickers , who are named in the in vickers, who are named in the in the judgement, who were mirror board members at the time. yes they should be the subject of criminal charges. marcus partington, the in—house lawyer who i thought many, many times again repeatedly named as as knowing all about this . should knowing all about this. should he be the subject of police investigation. and piers morgan obviously he should. obviously he should be. you know, whether the police will have the courage to take take him on. and you can imagine the squawking that's going to come from morgan. you

know, if it happens, will they have the courage to take him on? i fear not. should they take him on? absolutely. they should. >> we have to leave >> jonathan, we have to leave it there. much. there. thank you very much. that's covid, media that's jonathan covid, media lawyer talking about lawyer there talking about prince in the prince harry's victory in the courts mirror group courts and against mirror group newspapers. we are newspapers. now, i think we are just time to talk to the just got time to talk to the panel this one. i'm going panel about this one. i'm going to to you first very to come to you first very briefly. we are running out of time , emma, on this one. what do time, emma, on this one. what do you make of what you've just heard, jonathan say? um, and the fact there should now fact that there should be now criminal investigation happened. >> think there two very >> i think there are two very important things to say. the first that obviously phone first is that obviously phone hacking they shouldn't have hacking bad. they shouldn't have done it. and there should be a criminal investigation into where has broken. where the law has been broken. but other hand, i'm also but on the other hand, i'm also worried about the in which worried about the way in which this going be used, this is going to be used, because that really, because we know that really, harry friend of the free harry is no friend of the free press when it comes to freedom of speech, and i think this of speech, and i think that this could be used in a way to regulate press a way that regulate the press in a way that is in free is unacceptable in a free society. so that's something that concerns me. >> so would you i mean,

>> so would you say, i mean, sorry to interrupt, but piers morgan actually claim said in a statement he gave after the heanng statement he gave after the hearing harry is out to hearing that harry is out to join, not just british join, not just the british media, but the royal family media, but also the royal family would agree what he would you agree with what he said could you repeat that? >> so could you repeat that? >> so could you repeat that? >> claimed that >> piers morgan claimed that harry not out to destroy just harry is not out to destroy just the british media, which is what you've to, but also the you've alluded to, but also the royal agree royal family. would you agree to that? >> @ yeah, that? >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah. yeah, absolutely. i mean, obvious that mean, it's almost obvious that he's, he's got he's a he's, he's got he's got a vendetta and think that he's vendetta and i think that he's got serious issues that he got some serious issues that he needs to address personally, i think that should be dealing think that he should be dealing with these things. um, with a lot of these things. um, between family. between him and his family. and it's that he's it's inappropriate that he's doing playing of this doing playing so much of this out the public square. um, out in the public square. um, so, i i'm in some so, yeah, i mean, i'm in some ways, i'm concerned for him, but i also think that he's, he's i also think that he's, um, he's off bit . off the rails a bit. >> dennis, can i come to you briefly off the rails a bit? it's . i mean, it's a vendetta. i mean, obviously phone hacking is wrong. illegal. a lot wrong. it is illegal. um, a lot of what the mirror has done has been proven to be illegal. so should there now a criminal should there be now a criminal case the mirror group case against the mirror group newspapers and those involved ? newspapers and those involved? and do you think harry's off the

rails a bit? and do you think harry's off the railthat's? and do you think harry's off the railthat's up for the director of >> that's up for the director of pubuc >> that's up for the director of public prosecutions. the evidence seems pretty clear that it should. i got £30,000 from news international 12 years ago because they hacked my phone. i was conducting confident was conducting very confident ministerial negotiations with the government of spain on access to gibraltar. terrified thing. i saw the actual transcripts and this was just in case they could put it into the papers. now now we have the weakest regulation of the press. it's nothing to do with prince harry at all. it's actually completely unknown. people to any of us who get destroyed regularly by the newspapers and often weekly paper evening papers out in the provinces. not the big cheeses like the daily mail or the sun or the daily mirror. and yes , it would be mirror. and yes, it would be nice if it was going to happen. the leveson thing was just a no. it was a whitewash . he's it was a whitewash. he's a decent guy. he just couldn't take it on and actually it was parliamentarians who stopped it because we've got this culture

that britain has got the freest press in the world. i can only say if only thank you very much. >> strong opinions there. right. we have to move on. we're running out of time. unfortunately, you are watching and listening to gb news sunday with me. neesom plenty more with me. dawn neesom plenty more coming today's but coming up on today's show, but first the news first let's have the news headunes first let's have the news headlines with sam francis . headlines with sam francis. >> dawn thank you. good afternoon, i'm sam francis. the top story this hour. pressure is mounting on israel to call a ceasefire in gaza. in a joint article published today, david cameron and germany's foreign affairs minister have warned that too many civilians have been killed and it's now time for a sustainable ceasefire the intervention is a significant shift in the government's tone on israel's war against hamas terrorists . but the foreign terrorists. but the foreign secretary stopped short of calling for an immediate ceasefire . lord cameron's ceasefire. lord cameron's comments come as two women at a

church in gaza were killed. that's after israeli snipers opened fire. the head of the roman catholic church here in england and wales condemned what he's called the seemingly deliberate and callous killing of the woman and her daughter. it's understood the family of liberal democrat mp layla moran are among hundreds of civilians trapped in the church. she says they could be days away from dying without access to food or water. we're here in the uk. labour has accused the government of sending the nhs into winter naked amid warnings of a crisis. the shadow health secretary told gb news that part of the funding crisis facing the health system was due to excessive red tape. wes streeting promised that a labour government government would work to make gps more accessible . and to make gps more accessible. and the man who led a rebellion against the government's rwanda migration bill says an amendment could be on its way as soon as january. mark francois was asked if his opposition to the rwanda plan risked undermining the prime minister and the bill's broader aims. he insisted that

the bill must be workable, and that amendment would bolster that an amendment would bolster its effectiveness . meanwhile, its effectiveness. meanwhile, rishi sunak says hostile states are to blame for britain's migration crisis as he works to bolster more support for what he's called radical measures to prevent illegal migration. it comes after rishi sunak travelled to rome to secure cooperation with italy's right wing prime minister and you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com . gbnews.com. >> thank you very much, sam. loads more coming up on today's show as millions of brits wait over a month to see their gp. is the health care system on the bnnk the health care system on the brink of collapse? but first, let's take a look what the weather's doing, shall we? the very important weekend. if you're out shopping with jonathan. >> hello there. good afternoon . >> hello there. good afternoon. i'm jonathan vautrey here of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. it's

quite a windy day out there for many of us. we've seen gusts of 50 60mph in places. so do 50 to 60mph in places. so do take care, because some travel disruption the disruption is possible. the persistent have persistent rain that we have seen across western scotland this is slowly going this weekend is slowly going to be we head into be easing out as we head into this evening and overnight, but it it's going it does mean it's going to be pushing way southwards pushing its way southwards into northern ireland, northwest england, wales. quite england, western wales. quite a damp night here, far southeast of holding some of england, holding on to some dner of england, holding on to some drier still drier conditions but still fairly and here. fairly mild and cloudy here. temperatures us, temperatures for most of us, only up between 9 and 11 c as we head into monday. then it's looking like quite a grey drab, damp day for the vast majority of us, particularly western areas. we'll see outbreaks of rain east. rain further towards the east. it slightly lighter and it will be slightly lighter and patchier, and actually some brighter conditions push brighter conditions should push their and their way into scotland and northern ireland. we head their way into scotland and nortthe| ireland. we head their way into scotland and nortthe afternoon we head their way into scotland and nortthe afternoon and; head their way into scotland and nortthe afternoon and the ad their way into scotland and nortthe afternoon and the winds into the afternoon and the winds will a touch, but will ease down here a touch, but further showers pushing into the far northwest of scotland later on temperatures again on as well. temperatures again fairly for fairly above average for the time year, ranging between time of year, ranging between ten and 13 c into tuesday. we've got this next set of fronts that are going to start pushing their

way in across the south of the uk, and so it's england and wales going bear the wales are going to bear the brunt rainfall as we head brunt of the rainfall as we head into the day quite a wet into the day here. quite a wet rush hour period start off the day. lot of spray day. quite a lot of spray on roads certainly possible. it roads is certainly possible. it will very blustery as will still be very blustery as all this rain pushes its way all of this rain pushes its way off brighter spells for off some brighter spells for scotland. northern ireland, still scattering of still with a scattering of showers, though some of those will wintry the higher will be wintry over the higher ground. it's that theme of ground. and it's that theme of showers persist as showers that will persist as we head rest of head throughout the rest of the week. by >> is it? we're here for the >> who is it? we're here for the show. well come to the dinosaur hour with me. john cleese haha i was married to a therapist and you survived. i thought we were getting hugh laurie second best marble estima you interviewed saddam hussein? what's that like ? i was terrified i'm playing strip poker with these three. >> oh , no. thank you. my cds >> oh, no. thank you. my cds need to be put in alphabetical order. >> ah. >> ah. >> are you going to be problematic again? ah, the dinosaur. >> our sundays on .

>> our sundays on. gb news. >> our sundays on. gb news. >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me. dawn neesom on your tv, online and on digital radio. now millions of brits are having to wait over a month to see their gp as delays hit record highs. according to a new report in the first ten months of the year, it took more than 28 days to hold 14.9 million appointments, according to investigate by the times. the figure reveals a significant increase compared to last year's 12.8 million waits, so i was horrified by this story. i can't actually remember the last time i saw my gp. it was definitely pre—pandemic and i've just luckily not needed to see them for anything urgent . luckily not needed to see them for anything urgent. but this is just terrifying thing. i'm going to come to you first on this one. dennis i mean, the waiting list, we all know. i mean, it's, you know, the health nhs is in crisis every year, but this is

the waiting times just to see gp. >> yeah . and no, i don't want to >> yeah. and no, i don't want to go into too many personal details, but i had a little health scare 2 or 3 months ago, you know, and nervous about possible cancer . you know, and nervous about possible cancer. and i just walked into my gp and i was see my doctor instantly referred to the royal marsden instantly, and before i knew it, they were all inside me and gave me the all clear. so that's the good news. but it was so fast. i talked to my brother who has been on the nhs executive, senior doctor and he said yes on cancer and some things are very fast. i think a lot of the difficulty is more remote parts of the country where you had one sort of doctor findlay, a sort of old fashioned male doctor who trundled round and they've just disappeared now. plus, of course , we've cut now. plus, of course, we've cut all the brilliant young european doctors and medical staff coming into as part of the brexit ideology and so we're not getting we're not getting the service we need a huge challenge

for west streeting. i wish it was simply click your fingers and have better management or better computers that will be a giant challenge for him. but everywhere where you have non nhs systems like in australia or singapore, it's about ten, 12, £15,000 a year for health insurance that either you have to pay for or your employer does so be careful. we just don't dismantle something that in economic terms , benefits all of economic terms, benefits all of the nation. at an equal level because we're all paid the same when we go to the nhs. nothing >> we're paying the same, emma, but we're paying the same to not see gps, to have a waiting list. to be fair, it has shrunk slightly, but it's 7.71 million still. it's still huge, so we're all paying the same , but we're all paying the same, but we're not actually getting the service. >> yeah. and as these stats show, many of us are paying double, myself included, because i recently paid a small fortune to avoid an 18 month waiting list. i'm also one of these

list. and i'm also one of these statistics. someone who's willing pay. what is willing to, um, pay. what is quite lot of money if i need quite a lot of money if i need to because i know to see a gp, because i know there's of, um, of there's no chance of, um, of seeing otherwise. and seeing one otherwise. and i think, you were saying, for think, like you were saying, for you it was quite quick. but it's sort of a postcode lottery. it depends are. um, it depends where you are. um, it depends where you are. um, it depends how many are in depends how many people are in the versus the gp. and the area versus the gp. and let's honest, it's not let's be honest, it's not a sustainable to be draining sustainable model to be draining talent from other countries . we talent from other countries. we should be training up our own doctors here and having a sustainable system that allows them a reasonable them to live a reasonable quality of life and stay in this country so that we're not losing them like australia. them to places like australia. um, i do think that so on the one hand, yes, i think it's those people who can afford private health care. um, that's a good thing. it eases up some capacity in the nhs because the nhs , i think, should be there to nhs, i think, should be there to deal with those who can't afford private health care. so i do think need something. not think we need something. i'm not sort of these sort of sort of one of these sort of i don't i'm not suggesting we have an american model, but actually and i am to

and it's loathed as i am to praise the labour or to praise the labour party or to praise the labour party or to praise wes streeting who otherwise do not agree with on otherwise i do not agree with on anything all. he recently anything at all. he recently went this to at the went on this trip to look at the way that other health care systems are working , way that other health care systems are working, and i do think that we need to be radically reforming the nhs because the problem is that the model itself just simply doesn't work. if we to have , work. and if we want to have, um, a universal health care rather than a universal lack of health care, that puts people at risk. i mean, i've got some of the statistics in front of me here, um, saying that a separate analysis of official statistics showed that 28,000 deaths showed that 28,000 excess deaths across in the first six across the uk in the first six months of this year, um, with the rise between those the biggest rise between those aged 60 to 64. and many of these were from preventable conditions such as heart disease and diabetes . it's a national death diabetes. it's a national death service. we are unnecessarily killing people and also at the, at the, at the very first point of access, it's the diagnose sticks that is a real issue because people just simply can't get to see gps face to face. and

it's also a problem with dental care because there are many parts country that just parts of the country that just simply not have access. you simply do not have access. you can't absolutely but can't absolutely get one, but dennis, it's, you know, dennis, i mean, it's, you know, doesit dennis, i mean, it's, you know, does it need more money or does it organisation ? it need organisation? >> both. i think i mean, when emma says, let's train more, you should ask some very hard questions of the royal colleges. why they have what's called a numerous clauses, a limit on the number of people trained to be doctors is partly to keep their own pay up, because when you deny, deny the access into the labour market, then those who are lucky enough to be in it, on the whole, economically speaking, their wages . go the whole, economically speaking, their wages. go up and uh , i, i, i mean, the biggest uh, i, i, i mean, the biggest national health service probably we all use is, is boots . national health service probably we all use is, is boots. uh, and i'm very pleased now that the government , this government is government, this government is copying europe and allowing chemists or pharmacists to do

diagnoses to do injections, do a lot of things that before you always had to go to try and negotiate with a gp to get done. we did a lot more of that. i'm very glad i was praising up wes streeting. i think he's one of the stars of contemporary politics. i can't actually name the current health secretary because frankly, had so because frankly, we've had so many of them . have made many and none of them. have made much difference. to be fair, they do seem to change on a weekly basis. >> i think you do. labour. labour has some political advantage in that the tories will painted as if will always be painted as if they're trying to destroy the nhs. want to privatise the nhs. they want to privatise the whole, that's not the whole, even if that's not the case. it's politically case. and so it's politically it's difficult and we it's been very difficult and we need change that. we need to need to change that. we need to make politically make it less politically difficult nhs difficult to reform the nhs because it really has got the because it really has got to the point now where we just simply have something, because have to do something, because the a soviet bureaucracy. >> oh no really. sorry. that's that's silly. and you don't you do your cause and no good do your cause and case no good at all with wild exaggeration . i

at all with wild exaggeration. i had a cataract operation last year and it was done in a clinic. it's completely private, but serving the nhs . so what but serving the nhs. so what they've done is simply hand over specialities like cataracts. you've got to be a very good eye surgeon to do it, but you don't need to do it in a general hospital and got it rolling forward on dental care. dental care , dental care. i completely care, dental care. i completely agree with you. and there i think there is a case, frankly , think there is a case, frankly, for forms of dental health insurance because we've got the worst teeth . our children have worst teeth. our children have got the worst teeth. i don't want to show you my teeth in, in, in europe, uh, going the european country, they have socially compulsory , uh, health socially compulsory, uh, health insurance . so everybody has to insurance. so everybody has to pay insurance. so everybody has to pay and it's within the reach of individuals or firms. pay and it's within the reach of individuals or firms . and as individuals or firms. and as a result , um, when europeans, result, um, when europeans, violinists say, got nice white teeth , unfortunately, we're teeth, unfortunately, we're going to have to come back to this and you have fair right of

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monday to thursdays from six till 930. >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me dawn neesom on your tv, online and on digital radio. uh, pressure is growing on the bbc to take action on finally remove gary lineker from the presenting line—up after he repeatedly making political posts on social media. only this week , the incoming chair of the week, the incoming chair of the corporation suggested that the match of the day presenter broke their guidelines , as many wonder

their guidelines, as many wonder if lineker's time at the beeb is coming to an end. so no, emma, i'm going to come to this one. you know, gary lineker has said some very controversial things personal, criticising mps now evidently you're okay to in general criticise politics, but as soon as you start making it personal and political, that's when there is an issue. i mean, you said that tory mp jonathan gullis could not read lee anderson was needs to get a job with walkers crisps . so i think with walkers crisps. so i think gary lineker is like a playground bully. yeah, absolutely. and also mocked defence shapps . defence secretary grant shapps. now gone too far hasn't he? >> i did, i have to say, i did think it was quite funny when lee anderson said that he was an overpaid crisps salesman, but then he offered lee anderson a job at the. it presuming he'll lose at the next lose his seat at the next election. offered to him in election. offered to get him in there with crisp if he's there with walkers crisp if he's looking for job. it's looking for a job. um it's inappropriate, obviously he knows breaking the knows that he's breaking the guidelines , as his guidelines, as his his colleagues the bbc know that colleagues at the bbc know that he's breaking guidelines. i he's breaking the guidelines. i obviously in i'm

obviously believe that in i'm sort of a free speech absolutist , but, um, but this is obviously unprofessional behaviour from him. knows very well that him. and he knows very well that he's taking the mic. i think one of the, his bbc colleagues is, um, think way that they um, i think the way that they phrased it was twisting, twisting or something. twisting the tail or something. he he's pushing luck. he knows he's pushing his luck. um but of course he thinks that he's god's gift and above everything . everything. >> dennis, one quick answer. i mean, they sacked carol vorderman, sacked gary lineker, i think. >> yes or no? yes or no? >> all right. i'd say no because otherwise i haven't got a single good football presenter. we've just lost wright. and just lost ian wright. uh, and match day i can't watch it match the day i can't watch it now because of how badly chelsea is and gary has actually is playing and gary has actually produced it in a professionalism . i produced it in a professionalism .i used produced it in a professionalism . i used to be a bbc sports producer . . i used to be a bbc sports producer. he's magnificent. sorry he occasionally expresses . sorry he occasionally expresses. he believes in freedom of expression . let's all shut expression. let's all shut everybody with well , we're not everybody with well, we're not saying that, but we pay for him. >> remember, that's the point here. you're watching and listening to gb news p&o with

me. dawn neesom lots more coming up today's show, first, up on today's show, but first, shall look at what the shall we take a look at what the weather's doing brighter weather's doing a brighter outlook solar sponsors outlook with boxt solar sponsors of on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello there. good afternoon, i'm jonathan vautrey here of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. it's quite a windy day out there for many of us. we've seen gusts of 50 to 60mph in places. so do take because some travel take care because some travel disruption the disruption is possible. the persistent have persistent rain that we have seen western scotland seen across western scotland this slowly going to this weekend is slowly going to be as we into be easing out as we head into this evening overnight, but this evening and overnight, but it does mean it's going to be pushing its way southwards into northern northwest northern ireland, northwest england, western wales. quite a damp southeast damp night here, far southeast of holding on to some of england, holding on to some dner of england, holding on to some drier but still drier conditions but still fairly cloudy here. fairly mild and cloudy here. temperatures most of only temperatures for most of us only up 11 c as we head up between 9 and 11 c as we head into monday . then looking into monday. then it's looking like drab , damp day like quite a grey drab, damp day for vast majority of us, for the vast majority of us, particularly western areas. we'll see outbreaks of rain further east. it further towards the east. it will slightly lighter and will be slightly lighter and patchier and actually some

brighter conditions should push their way into scotland and northern ireland as we head into the afternoon, and winds the afternoon, and the winds will ease down here touch, will ease down here a touch, but further pushing the further showers pushing into the far northwest of scotland later on temperatures again on as well. temperatures again fairly average for the fairly above average for the time year, ranging between 10 time of year, ranging between 10 and into tuesday. we've got and 13 c into tuesday. we've got this next set of fronts. they're going pushing their way going to start pushing their way in south uk. in across the south of the uk. and so england and wales in across the south of the uk. ancgoing england and wales in across the south of the uk. ancgoing to ngland and wales in across the south of the uk. ancgoing to beard and wales in across the south of the uk. ancgoing to bear the nd wales in across the south of the uk. ancgoing to bear the bruntles in across the south of the uk. ancgoing to bear the brunt of are going to bear the brunt of the rainfall as we head into the day here. quite a wet rush hour period. start off the day. quite a of spray on roads is a lot of spray on roads is certainly possible. will certainly possible. it will still blustery all still be very blustery as all of this rain pushes way off this rain pushes its way off some spells for some brighter spells for scotland. northern ireland still with a scattering of showers, though will be though some of those will be wintry over the higher ground. and that theme of showers and it's that theme of showers that persist we head that will persist as we head throughout rest of the week. throughout the rest of the week. by >> boxt things heating by >> boxt boilersings heating by >> boxt boilers sponsors|eating by >> boxt boilers sponsors ofting up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> thank you very much, jonathan. lots more coming up on today's show. we'll be debating and discussing the pm's use of private helicopters for his

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>> hello and welcome to gb news sunday. we were distracted by talking about fairy lights . we talking about fairy lights. we don't want to know. uh, thank you for joining don't want to know. uh, thank you forjoining us don't want to know. uh, thank you for joining us this lunchtime. i'm dawn neesom , and lunchtime. i'm dawn neesom, and for next i'll for the next hour, i'll be keeping you company tv, keeping you company on tv, online, digital radio. online, and on digital radio. coming hour. reports coming up this hour. reports suggest the prime minister personally intervened to stop his helicopter rides from being axed. okay, the sunday times claims rishi sunak stepped in when the ministry of defence was set to cut the £40 million a year contract for his vip flight when be asking was this the right decision and cost of living crisis and vandals have smashed public memorials in north london during the jewish festival of hanukkah . it's the festival of hanukkah. it's the latest in a rise of anti—semitic attacks in the country . is such attacks in the country. is such action being normalised in the

uk and it's one week to go until christmas eve and you're not ready because i'm not either. however, despite the fun and frolics, it appears that sending christmas cards and eating turkey is becoming a thing of the past . our christmas the past. our christmas traditions are dying out though, so do get in touch. send us your thoughts on gb views at gbnews.com or send us a message on the socials. really easy, just at gb news. but first let's find out what the news headlines are for saint francis . are for saint francis. >> dawn. thank you. good afternoon, i'm sam francis. the headunes afternoon, i'm sam francis. the headlines are two. well as we've been hearing, there is growing pressure on israel with david cameron germany's pressure on israel with david cameroaffairs germany's pressure on israel with david camero affairs minister ny's pressure on israel with david camero affairs minister in's foreign affairs minister in calling for a ceasefire in gaza. in a joint article in the sunday times, the foreign secretary warned that too many civilians . warned that too many civilians. too many civilians have been

killed and it's a time for sustained ceasefire. however david cameron continued to say that he will not agree to a permanent ceasefire immediately. his comments come a day after israel admitted it had mistakenly shot and killed three hostages as they attempted to flee captivity . well, meanwhile, flee captivity. well, meanwhile, israel's prime minister has suggested that fresh talks may be underway aimed at securing the release of more hostages. benjamin netanyahu told reporters that the offensive in gaza had been key to the release of hostages. in november. labour has accused the government here in the uk of sending the nhs into the colder months, naked, amid warnings of a winter crisis. the shadow health secretary told gb news that some of the funding problems facing the health system are due to excessive red tape. wes streeting promised that a labour government would work to make gps more accessible . gps more accessible. >> well, i'm just trying to send

a message to everyone that the pubuc a message to everyone that the public finances are in a mess thanks to this shower of a government, money is going to be tight and we've got to make sure that every penny of taxpayers money is well spent . and the money is well spent. and the argument on the nhs can't just be money, it has to be be more money, it has to be reform and modernisation . reform and modernisation. otherwise, i fear that our nhs , otherwise, i fear that our nhs, as it has been for 75 years, a pubuc as it has been for 75 years, a public service free at the point of use, something i fundamentally believe in will be at risk. >> the man who led a rebellion against the government's rwanda migration bill says an amendment could be on the way as soon as january gb news presenter camilla tominey asked mark francois if his opposition to the rwanda plan risked making perfect the enemy of the good. but he insisted that the bill must be workable and that an amendment bolster its effectiveness. >> if the good doesn't work , >> if the good doesn't work, then it's not good enough . it then it's not good enough. it needsit then it's not good enough. it needs it needs to be good enough. now, on a positive note , enough. now, on a positive note, sir, bill cash is already talking to government lawyers about trying to come up with an

amendment that actually , if you amendment that actually, if you like, would fill those holes . like, would fill those holes. that would be a very positive thing. so if anybody can draft that amendment, it's bill. yes. so he and others are talking to the government in a positive way about trying to draft something to make sure that the bill is fit for purpose and that amendment will be tabled in time for the committee stage, which is probably going to be in the second half of january. baron michel eamonn has admitted that she failed to reveal her links to a company that supplied ppe gowns to the nhs. >> medpro is currently being investigated by the national crime agency, while the department of health is taking action over a breach of contract. she told the bbc that she made an error by not revealing her links to the company, which to led her husband's trust receiving around £60 million. but she insisted that lying to the media is not a crime and a couple have become one of the first same sex partnerships to receive a blessing at a church of england

service. the prayers of love and faith, now allowed to be used in general services were given to catherine bond and jane pearce this morning. the house of bishops had sanctioned the blessings but blessings just days ago, but there's legislative there's been no legislative change. it remains a voluntary decision for ministers and wet weather is on the way in scotland, with another met office amber warning, which could cause danger to life in the north west. up to eight inches of rain was forecast this weekend, with more still to come . experts say it's likely to cause travel chaos, floods and possible landslides . roads possible landslides. roads people being urged to take people are being urged to take precautions and avoid floodwaters . this is gb news floodwaters. this is gb news weather across the uk on tv, in your car, digital radio and on your car, digital radio and on your smart speaker. now, though, more from dawn . more from dawn. >> thank you very much . hold on >> thank you very much. hold on a minute. we need to be told to avoid flood water. thank you for that. i would never have known

if i hadn't been told by the met office. right. okay, let's get straight into today's topic, shall we? um, been reported shall we? um, it's been reported that rishi sunak has personally intervened to stop officials from scrapping a contract worth around 40 million to provide him with private helicopter rides, according to the sunday times. the ministry of defence announced it would stop renting two helicopters used for vip flights for the prime minister. it's believed the defence secretary, grant shapps , secretary, grant shapps, reversed the decision at sunak's request. now joining me is the lovely gb news political correspondent katherine forster to tell us more about this story. catherine, what's going on here? >> ah, yes, the prime minister, rishi sunak, getting into some hot water over his helicopter habit. this is something that he's come in for quite a lot of criticism for over the last year as, um, it was worked out that in a period of six months he'd taken 23 domestic flights by private jet or helicopter, working out at nearly one a

week. and last may, he took a helicopter from london to . south helicopter from london to. south hampton to a pharmacy , now hampton to a pharmacy, now london to southampton, a fairly short journey by car or by train, a lot less money, a lot less emissions. so perhaps stung by criticism from, um, the mod announced in the summer that it was going to get rid of the contract it has with a private company, um, worth about 40 million over five years. so 8 million over five years. so 8 million a year to , um, basically million a year to, um, basically lease two helicopters to the mod for the use of the prime minister. so that was announced that was happening . and now it's that was happening. and now it's emerged via , um, the chap who emerged via, um, the chap who who was in charge of the helicopter was on behalf of the mod in a, in a house magazine that in fact, in mid uh, mid—september , the new defence mid—september, the new defence secretary, grant shapps reversed that decision and that came down

correctly at the request of rishi sunak. now plenty of people will say, well, he's a very busy man. he used to he needs to use his time wisely . needs to use his time wisely. but i do think, given that he's very, very rich, we know he's worth about 550 million elianne given the focus on net zero, getting emissions down and given the looming election , it will the looming election, it will rather play into labour's the prime minister's out of touch. he doesn't understand what ordinary people are going through. narrative >> catherine, thank you very much for that. and that's our katherine forster gb news political correspondent. i'm staggered by this story, to be honest with you, because the flight catherine was to talking there said, to there was, as she said, down to southampton, a pharmacy to make an about saving an announcement about saving money nhs while spending money on the nhs while spending god knows how much on a helicopter and he sent his team down by train . now, why couldn't down by train. now, why couldn't he just get on the train ?

he just get on the train? dennis, i want to come to you first on this one. this is just playing straight into the hands of labour and everyone else that thinks rishi sunak, who is married to multimillionaire married to a multimillionaire billionaire billionaire, is billionaire wife billionaire, is completely out of with completely out of touch with what it's in the real what it's like in the real world. sure. >> i mean, he's got enough money to himself, not even to pay for himself, not even notice. find it astonishing. notice. i find it astonishing. lack of judgement. like lack of judgement. it's like that row with the greek prime minister the other week when he set the meeting. then set up the meeting. then cancelled last moment, cancelled at the last moment, caused diplomatic storm. caused a huge diplomatic storm. he's just got no no political , he's just got no no political, no normal judgement . margaret no normal judgement. margaret thatcher used to get the early warning ba flight. if she's going up to glasgow or edinburgh or down to cardiff, just like anybody else. i used to bump into tony blair on the lner train coming down from the north when i was in mp, we were in incredibly careful when i was a minister at the foreign office, we could take easyjet, we'd take ryanair. it wasn't a problem, but rishi just lives in planet rishi, which is utterly disconnect from anybody else in

the country . the country. >> while i don't expect the prime minister to literally, you know , get trains all over the know, get trains all over the place, i expect he is a prime minister. he's obviously got a very important job to do. he's very important job to do. he's very busy. but this is a bit ridiculous, mean, it ridiculous, isn't it? i mean, it is completely out of touch. >> don't care very much if he >> i don't care very much if he wants to use a helicopter and there emissions that. there are emissions from that. if that is if it's something that is necessary, something that necessary, it's something that is you know, is required by, you know, the necessity of his schedule. and so it makes sense. obviously, this is a lot of flights. so it makes sense. obviously, this is a lot of flights . um, this is a lot of flights. um, probably not all of these were essential, especially if his team is going down on the train. then they have to be there at the same time. so he could take the same time. so he could take the train and one of the trips was down to clacton on seats, actually very quick on the train, essex. not very far. >> hold on, hold on. he actually took a helicopter to clacton. >> um, but i do. i do think it's important that important to mention that according report on this, according to the report on this, it say that in some cases it does say that in some cases he privately met cost. he privately met the cost. so um, on two helicopter trips, £16,000, it looks as if he paid that himself. so yes, i think

that himself. so yes, i think that it that himself. so yes, i think thatitis that himself. so yes, i think that it is important that the prime minister does have access to these sorts of things. when there's necessity. but you do there's a necessity. but you do have to . like you were saying, have to. like you were saying, you do have to use your judgement. you still does have it. >> i mean, and it.— >> i mean, and it's it. >> i mean, and it's wasteful. >> i mean, and it's wasteful. >> but then i think actually within the civil service and within the civil service and within politics and particularly within politics and particularly within politics, there is within local politics, there is a when a culture of wastefulness when it money and it comes to taxpayer money and a lot of, you know, they're handung lot of, you know, they're handling huge , huge, huge sums handling huge, huge, huge sums of money and when put against that, actually this is a big amount to us as individuals. but in terms of government budget, it's actually much . so it's actually not very much. so i think it's a problem with the culture within culture of wastefulness within the a lack of the government and a lack of perspective . but i don't really perspective. but i don't really have so much of a problem. if he needs to take a helicopter. i get that. >> as i said, i don't expect him to the you know, the bus to get the you know, the bus down the road, but i mean, it's the fact that you know, the the fact that he, you know, the ministry defence made ministry of defence made a sensible decision to will stop doing this. wasting too sensible decision to will stop doing money. wasting too sensible decision to will stop doing money. and;ting too sensible decision to will stop doing money. and the| too sensible decision to will stop doing money. and the mod doesn't much money. and the mod doesn't disclose cost of

disclose the precise cost of every flight. but the fuel is thought to cost £1,200 alone. so it's to expensive. it's going to be very expensive. so ministry of tonight's so the ministry of tonight's sensibly decided to this. sensibly decided to stop this. and rishi sunak appears to and then rishi sunak appears to have intervened. personal plea. >> that's that's that's the sickening thing about it. i use that word sickening quite deliberately . of course, a prime deliberately. of course, a prime minister can take a helicopter or a private jet. i mean, i've been on them with blair years ago. it's absolutely normal . but ago. it's absolutely normal. but there's some sense of proportion that rishi just doesn't have an and it's, it's sad really for him because i mean, compared to the previous guy's clowns, we had in number 10 since 2016, he does seem to have some some feet on the ground. and this is the kind of story that is just going to cost him so many more votes. why is he making these mistakes? well, you pointed out that he's he and his wife are very independently wealthy, and i do wonder it has something wonder whether it has something to do with own personal to do with his own personal experience what used experience and what he's used to. maybe he doesn't

>> and so maybe he doesn't realise that this is something thatis realise that this is something that is going to play. so maybe his is off slightly, his instinct is off slightly, but sat beside prince, uh, but i sat beside prince, uh, prince andrew once did a study on no, no for the for the swiss president, which is having a little chat and he said that prince charles was going to fly out to davos, where charles took all the boys, the children in klosters, next door to davos . klosters, next door to davos. >> and he was going to take a ba flight . and andrew said he flight. and andrew said he phoned me up and said, what's it like? because the last time he took a ba.2 flight in so many pieces of luggage, it wouldn't fit into the hold . and then and fit into the hold. and then and he's a helicopter pilot said that the mod had changed the rules for royal flights , so they rules for royal flights, so they all had to be much more heavily financed by the palace. it was techie accounting i mean, financed by the palace. it was teciqueen»unting i mean, financed by the palace. it was teciqueen could] i mean, financed by the palace. it was teciqueen could suck i mean, financed by the palace. it was teciqueen could suck thisnean, financed by the palace. it was teciqueen could suck this up], the queen could suck this up. what's wrong with rishi sunak? >> i do think it is important to point out that sometimes in terms of for value money, it is

actually more cost efficient to charter sure if it is charter a plane. sure if it is between certain locations and to fit. yes, of course , if you were fit. yes, of course, if you were to book all of those people who need go on trip onto a need to go on that trip onto a commercial jet, it would actually cost more money. so sometimes cost sometimes it is more cost efficient. so i think but all setting, all of that aside, obviously judgement this obviously his judgement on this is it is. is off target. it is. >> astonishing that the >> it is astonishing that the prime minister of this country, country see that country just didn't see that that might play out badly. >> he doesn't see so many obvious goofs. i would go back to snubbing the greek prime minister, whose pro—british he's a friend of britain. same political family mentioned the elgin marbles. >> that was, wasn't it? >> that was, wasn't it? >> it was part of marbles. no, i mean, that was all set up beforehand. and he mentions it every time he comes here. nobody knows. i think rishi thought that there's anybody in the red wall that's panting there to keep parthenon they keep the parthenon marbles. they were 200 years ago by horrible. >> they weren't looted. they were legitimately illegally . were legitimately illegally. >> were not.

>> they were not. >> they were not. >> but let's not go down that rabbit no, no, we're rabbit hole. no, no, no, we're not about. not talking about. >> want to talk about >> i don't want to talk about the elgin marbles. >> i don't want to talk about the n0|in marbles. >> i don't want to talk about the no way. arbles. >> i don't want to talk about the no way. so. es. >> i don't want to talk about the no way. so. but in general, >> no way. so. but in general, he makes little mistake he just makes little mistake after mistake. i mean, a after little mistake. i mean, a lot people in europe will be lot of people in europe will be saying, doing ? uh, saying, what is he doing? uh, not meeting mrs. mrs. maloney saying, what is he doing? uh, not nyou're mrs. mrs. maloney saying, what is he doing? uh, not nyou're a/irs. mrs. maloney saying, what is he doing? uh, not nyou're a maloney.vialoney saying, what is he doing? uh, not nyou're a maloney. that'sy said, you're a maloney. that's quite normal. she's a prime minister and italy is minister of italy. and italy is a important country, and a very important country, and she's completely coming to embrace eu, having been very embrace the eu, having been very anti—european. good but going to this weird cult festival of wacko right wingers from all over the world. it's a description of it. what steve bannon, viktor orban, now i'm going to have to accuse you of being silly. >> come on, you know, you can have the silly debate. now go on, we've got time. go on. he called you two. now you call him silly. on, go for it. silly. go on, go for it. >> i just don't i don't think it's silly or an exaggeration. going back to our earlier conversation about nhs to conversation about the nhs to suggest bureaucracy of suggest that the bureaucracy of the um, the nhs, i agree, is, um, somewhat not overindulge when we have paid have people who are being paid over £100,000 for jobs that probably shouldn't exist, while

nurses and doctors on the front line aren't being as much . line aren't being paid as much. so think it's an so i don't think it's an exaggeration to point exaggeration or silly to point out many ways, the out that in many ways, the way that nhs works as that the nhs works as a bureaucracy is comparable . bureaucracy is comparable. >> so i agree completely and that's what wes streeting has been saying non—stop since he was named as shadow health secretary. and his music to secretary. and in his music to my ears, blair, tony blair tried a lot of that. he got scars on the back, he said from trying to reform the nhs and public services, it is the huge challenge for every government. but let's be honest , the biggest but let's be honest, the biggest expansion of the civil service and public employees in british history has happened in the last 13 years under a tory government. well absolutely. >> they've used more helicopters as well. what more can we say? we're not going down the we're just not going down the elgin route. that's elgin marbles route. that's another day. okay. uh, right now, the best analysis now, for all the best analysis and opinion on that and potentially even the elgin marbles, go to the website gbnews.com. you're watching and

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>> welcome back to gb news sunday with me dawn neesom on tv onune sunday with me dawn neesom on tv online and on digital radio. now vandals have smashed at a public memorials in north london during the jewish festival of hanukkah. this is to according the daily mail, the bulbs of one of the queen's park were stolen and plastered with pro—palestinian stickers and if you. these are the candles that celebrate hanukkah and that they're lit on a daily basis, this was targeted again on thursday and this time it was completely destroyed. so is anti—semitism being normalised in the united kingdom 7 normalised in the united kingdom ? um, um, let's see what my panel maker, this is such a toxic debate. we were chatting dunng toxic debate. we were chatting during the break just now, and some of the stories you hear just make your blood run cold. i was telling the story of my, um, a friend's granddaughter daughter who goes to a jewish school , not particularly strict school, not particularly strict jewish school, but uniform jewish school, but the uniform identifies it as a jewish school. and this little girl

school. um, and this little girl , five, five years , she's five, just five years old. she was told she was unclean on the tube because she went to a jewish school and said, just it seems to me said, it's just it seems to me i'm coming to you first on this one. emma it seems to me that anti semitism is almost an acceptable form of racism in this country now. yeah i and i mean what you just described there and also this hanukkah candles being knocked down, i just it makes my blood boil. >> i can't even express how angry it makes me that what you have is very often the same people who bang on day and night about fascism and calling everything under the sun fascist , defending fascism when they see it. the fact that this is something that has as as been as pushed by what's happening in in israel between israel and hamas, that it's taken just that to, to release this from wherever it was underneath the surface. this

ancient hatred that hasn't gone away . and like we were saying in away. and like we were saying in the break dawn, i think it's remarkable that all of these people who want jews to get out of they're making it so of israel, they're making it so intolerable them to be in intolerable for them to be in europe. say, go back to europe. and they say, go back to europe, before europe, where as fascists before said, know, leave europe, said, you know, leave europe, leave that they're leave europe, that they're making be making it so intolerable to be jewish european countries jewish in european countries that they are proving the need for the state of israel . i think for the state of israel. i think it is absolutely disgusting. and i think the way that the police have been policing protests, particularly the way that they have, i'm using the word target , have, i'm using the word target, um, here targeted the campaign for anti—semite ism, getting them to do things like turning off their billboards showing israeli hostages as instead of preventing them from being attacked apro—palestinian attacked by a pro—palestinian protesters. anti—semitism protesters. the anti—semitism that we've seen on our streets, not being , um, you know, people not being, um, you know, people who are are and it's not just here in, in the uk , in the here in, in the uk, in the states recently there was a jewish woman who was an and she seemed like an olderjewish

woman refused to use a bathroom . woman refused to use a bathroom. um, they wouldn't let her in. use a bathroom. um, in a public cafe or something like that. um, it's her rendus, and i have to say to any jewish people who are watching today , hey, am israel watching today, hey, am israel chaihug watching today, hey, am israel chai hug hanukkah because i, i just think that those who are not jewish need to stand by the jewish community and say, we are not letting this happen in our country. and if jewish schools are under threat, then should are under threat, then we should be around schools be standing around those schools holding making sure holding hands and making sure that one can get them. that no one can get to them. i must say brendan cox, jo cox is widower, has organised peace gatherings of all faiths and i and absolutely brilliant. >> fair play to that. but we need more of that. what do you make of this, dennis? i mean, look at record number of look at the record number of hate incidents against british jews. thousand jews. well over a thousand recorded after the hamas massacres. um, it's obviously islamophobia is also on the rise, but nowhere near as much. um, what do you make of this? i mean, is antisemite ism an acceptable form of racism ?

acceptable form of racism? >> no, it isn't racism is an unacceptable form of racism . but unacceptable form of racism. but there is an awful lot of racism around against people of different colours and ethnic backgrounds, not jewish people. until we see the this horrible incident and others that you mentioned. i was asked, uh, before going on a tv show a couple of 2 or 3 weeks ago to stop using the terms jew killers to describe hamas, but it is a perfectly accurate , because what perfectly accurate, because what happened on october 7 was the worst single slaughter of innocent jewish men , men, women, innocent jewish men, men, women, kids. so since 1945, the end of the holocaust, that should be there. now. i think there's a difficulty because i wrote a book about globalising hatred and anti—semitism about ten, 15 years ago. it's changed considerably then, but one of the big changes is that you have a great deal of hostility to the

israeli government, not the israeli government, not the israeli people, but this particular government headed by this particular prime minister who has done everything thing to sabotage any hopes of peace. actually traded with hamas to try and build them up against the palestinian authority . these the palestinian authority. these are the nasty people . critics of are the nasty people. critics of israel . but beyond that, the israel. but beyond that, the examples i ever gave are utterly , utterly unacceptable . i was , utterly unacceptable. i was very pleased to take part in the march about 3 or 4 sundays ago, of both jews and palestinians against anti—semitism in france, that march was headed by a former president, that march was headed by a former president , two former former president, two former presidents and the prime minister for i think we had tom tugendhat there, which is very nice. good. bravo tom. where was our prime minister? where was the leader of the opposition, former prime minister boris johnson went to the march against, well, fine , fine. i'm against, well, fine, fine. i'm glad i'm not. i'm not. >> no i agree with you. i think every minister should have been

there that that is the difficulty when i was a member of the house of commons, when israel came up and it came up every day and then i tell you something, the who dumped something, the people who dumped on , not jews israel on israel, not jews on israel very virulently, would generally conservative mps . conservative mps. >> i don't know if it's going back to the old days when the palestine mandate or the hanging of the sergeants and so on. but right now, the idea that any body of faith cannot celebrate their faith because of this new hate. we've we've a country that's generated so much hate in our media in the last ten years. i think. >> dawn, going back to your original question, that it is something that has become anti—semitism has become acceptable on certain parts of the left. and like we were discussing break, you discussing during the break, you know, i think it's because of the around the narrative around colonialism. jews viewed the narrative around colbeing;m. jews viewed the narrative around colbeing and jews viewed the narrative around colbeing and the |ews viewed the narrative around colbeing and the oppressoriewed as being and the oppressor category rather than the category rather than in the oppressed what oppressed category. and so what you see are these you actually do see are these inexplicable scenes of who

inexplicable scenes of those who would identify themselves as being wing , very clearly being left wing, very clearly defined wing hamas, which is and i'm and i'm willing to condemn hamas and i'm willing to call them a terrorist organisation when hamas is an islamo fascist organisation . that is very clear organisation. that is very clear and i think it's become very acceptable because it's mixed in with all of these highly ideological, um, left wing movements that we've seen over the last five years or more starting to gain more and more traction . and so you end up with traction. and so you end up with this strange situation where you do see left wing activists being very straightforwardly anti—semitic . anti—semitic. >> yeah. i mean, we still have in this country as well, you know, the teacher in batley in yorkshire, do you remember that where he was, his religious education and he showed the, the pupils a cartoon of the prophet muhammad during our lesson. this is two years ago. he's still in hiding over that. and yet people

don't seem to get so worked up about it. the destruction of anything that is related to the jewish faith . jewish faith. >> there's something in that . i >> there's something in that. i mean, the cartoonists on the french equivalent of, uh, private eye cannot deny people had done similar cartoons . and had done similar cartoons. and the islamist militants burst in and shot several of them dead, and shot several of them dead, and there wasn't. i went there to paris to show my solidarity, but there wasn't anybody else from britain that had in turn up.and from britain that had in turn up. and this is the trouble. >> it's because you get treated differently depending on how intimidating your community can be. so if you do have a situation where someone shows an offensive cartoon and then the community kick off and then people are sent death threats, then there's a very sort of like hands off approach . whereas when hands off approach. whereas when it comes to the jewish and christian community, people christian community, his people know they're not to know that they're not going to kick fuss. and so there is kick up a fuss. and so there is it to be a sort of two it seems to be a sort of two tier approach, not just in sort

of the way that, you know, there policed, also just in the policed, but also just in the way that they are viewed in pubuc way that they are viewed in public discussion. >> well, except except ever. i mean, we actually have a blasphemy law on the statute books. the vatican used to campaign. i don't know if it's still does under this pope for catholic phobia to be made a un crime against humanity. >> very hard pressed to find any christians who would be in favour of blasphemy laws. >> well, i dare i challenge, you know, i do a poll. i'm happy, i'm happy . i know, i do a poll. i'm happy, i'm happy. i take your know, i do a poll. i'm happy, i'm happy . i take your word for i'm happy. i take your word for it. but we need actually a we still put religious men dressed in long frocks into the house of lords to make laws. we need to get religion out of politics and britain . britain. >> i completely disagree with you, but that's another whole, another debate. >> but until we start doing it. but going back to anti—semitism, you're i mean, you're so right. there's a sense i mean, if i was jewish, i would campaign against netanya , who i hope i would have netanya, who i hope i would have

campaigned for respect for the palestinians. many jews would . palestinians. many jews would. and of course they would. of course. of course. but if i were you, i'd just a little corner of me would have said , just in case me would have said, just in case this tiny patch of land i don't know how big it is that safe for jews? it's a place worth having and keeping alive. >> you mentioned you mentioned the israeli government just very quickly. um, the, the biggest argument actually , against a two argument actually, against a two state solution or the biggest threat to the two state solution is actually what hamas have done, because the whole premise of land for peace has been completely undermined by their behaviour, what has behaviour, because what has happened that in giving gaza happened is that in giving gaza the territory of gaza, over to the territory of gaza, over to the palestinian control, it's resulted in terrorism. so i for from a purely security based perspective, who could possibly blame israel for thinking that a two state solution is a danger ? two state solution is a danger? >> i agree, but ever but when israel thought it could guarantee its security by occupying lebanon and killing an

awful lot of lebanese who are very a lot of my friends locally in pimlico are lebanese, run some of the best food shops. it didn't produce peace . didn't produce peace. >> they didn't start that war ehhen >> it either. >> it start. it doesn't . >> it didn't start. it doesn't. it's not going to stop until you actually accept that most powerful right in the world to live on the land of your fathers and again, israeli settlers backed by the israeli army charging into palestinian land that they , israel, doesn't claim that they, israel, doesn't claim it's not part of israel. >> unfortunately , we are we are >> unfortunately, we are we are running out of time and to try and solve a problem that has been going on for millennia is we are not going to solve this afternoon, but we were close. afternoon, but we were so close. i wish we could. i really wish we could. um, but let's move on to pleasant, shall we? to something pleasant, shall we? how to win how would you like to win £10,000 cash? brand new tech £10,000 in cash? brand new tech and shopping well, you and shopping vouchers. well, you could winner of our very could be the winner of our very first british giveaway. first great british giveaway. here's details of how here's all the details of how you make those prizes. all yours. >> it's the great british

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the release of more hostages. benjamin netanyahu , who told benjamin netanyahu, who told reporters that the offensive in gaza been key to the release gaza had been key to the release of hostages november. here in of hostages in november. here in the uk, labour has accused the government of sending the nhs into the colder months naked amid warnings of a winter crisis. the shadow health secretary told gb news that some of the funding problems facing the health system are due to excessive red tape . the man, who excessive red tape. the man, who led a rebellion against the government's rwanda migration bill, says an amendment could be on its way as soon as january. gb news presenter camilla tominey asked mark francois if his opposition to the rwanda plan risked making perfect the enemy of the good. he insisted the bill must be workable and that an amendment would be would bolster its effectiveness. yes, and you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gb news .com . website, gb news .com. >> thank you very much, sam.

lots more coming up on today's show, including eating turkey and sending christmas cards. could be a thing of the past. oh my god, hold on. we'll be discussing some if of our discussing some if some of our favourite festive traditions are indeed making like that turkey and getting stuffed . but first and getting stuffed. but first let's take a look the weather let's take a look at the weather with jonathan. >> hello there. good afternoon, i'm jonathan vautrey here of your news weather forecast your gb news weather forecast provided the office. it provided by the met office. it was a windy day there was quite a windy day out there for of us. we've seen gusts for many of us. we've seen gusts of 50 60mph in places. so do of 50 to 60mph in places. so do take care, some travel take care, cause some travel disruption possible . the disruption is possible. the persistent that we have persistent rain that we have seen scotland seen across western scotland this slowly to this weekend is slowly going to be we head into be easing out as we head into this and overnight, but this evening and overnight, but it mean it's going be it does mean it's going to be pushing way southwards into pushing its way southwards into northern northwest northern ireland, northwest england, a england, western wales. quite a damp far southeast damp night here, far southeast of holding on to some of england, holding on to some dner of england, holding on to some drier conditions still drier conditions but still fairly cloudy here. fairly mild and cloudy here. temperatures of temperatures for most of us, only between 9 and 11 c as we only up between 9 and 11 c as we head into monday. then it's looking like quite a grey, drab, damp day for the vast majority of particularly of us, particularly western areas. outbreaks of

areas. we'll see outbreaks of rain further towards the east. it slightly and it will be slightly lighter and patchier actually some patchier and actually some brighter conditions should push their and their way into scotland and northern ireland. as we head into the afternoon, and the winds will ease down here a touch, but further showers pushing into the far north—west of scotland later on as well. temperatures fairly above temperatures again fairly above average year, average for the time of year, ranging between 10 and 13 c into tuesday. we've got this next set of fronts that are going to start their way and start pushing their way in and across south the uk, and across the south of the uk, and so it's england and wales are going the brunt the going to bear the brunt of the rainfall head into the day rainfall as we head into the day here. a wet rush hour here. quite a wet rush hour penod here. quite a wet rush hour period start off the day, quite a lot of spray on roads is certainly possible. it will still very blustery all of still be very blustery as all of this rain pushes its way off some spells for some brighter spells for scotland. still some brighter spells for scotla1d. still some brighter spells for scotla scattering still some brighter spells for scotla scattering of still some brighter spells for scotla scattering of showers,ill with a scattering of showers, though will be though some of those will be wintry the higher ground. wintry over the higher ground. and theme showers and it's that theme of showers that persist as we head that will persist as we head throughout the rest of the week. by every night gb by join us every night on gb news p.m. by join us every night on gb news pm. for headliners, news at 11 pm. for headliners, which is three top comedians going through next going through the next day's news is exactly news stories, which is exactly what you need, because when the

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anglican bishop and associate editor of the catholic herald . editor of the catholic herald. uh, hello. thank you very much for joining us this afternoon . for joining us this afternoon. um, doctor gavin, now, what do you make? is christmas dying ? you make? is christmas dying? >> oh, no. »- >> oh, no. >> no, the wonderful thing about christmas is that it comes with a message that human beings need, which is that we were we were made for a purpose. >> we're loved . and, uh, god >> we're loved. and, uh, god wants to remake us spiritually and offers us forgiveness. uh, it will never die . it's one of it will never die. it's one of the most powerful messages that's been. found in that's ever been. it's found in the of western culture. we the whole of western culture. we do, however, have a particular way expressing it culturally, way of expressing it culturally, which is largely victorian. um, and if you're slightly nostalgic, like i am, then i enjoy the victorian trappings of it because they, they augment it, but they're not the heart of it. they're an accompaniment. so ihope it. they're an accompaniment. so i hope they stay. but the most important thing is that people discover that jesus is real, alive and looking to change their lives for them. >> why? why do you think in

some, in some areas now, even the word christmas itself is, is deemed to be offensive to some people. all >> well, that's a quite a profound question and it's not easy to answer, but i think it's got to do with the fact that human beings are involved in a struggle between good and evil. um, we know that in our daily lives, we see it on the news every single day. um, but it's a personal and a social struggle and evil doesn't like good. uh and evil doesn't like good. uh and i think i think in the same way that evil has somehow managed to, to, to find its insidious way into so many of the things that we do. it doesn't like christmas and it doesn't like christmas and it doesn't like christmas and it doesn't like christianity. christianity, surprisingly , a christianity, surprisingly, a religion that turns the other cheek and invites you simply to love god and your neighbour as yourself is the most persecuted religion the the religion without the world. the only explanation for that is that evil doesn't like it, and i think gets our own think it gets into our own social reflexes well. i'm social reflexes as well. i'm afraid so. >> mean, is christmas too >> i mean, is christmas too commercialised? is the other

question then, if we are trying to celebrate it in a traditional way , but it seems to be way, but it seems to be overtaken by, you know, we spend more time talking about, you know, the john lewis and the marks and spencers adverts than talking about, as you've been saying, the meaning what saying, the real meaning of what christmas about . christmas should be about. >> human beings are open >> well, human beings are open to a number of different, um, appetites and money. sex and power are quite as important as love to many people. so the commercialisation of christmas is people trying to make money out of it. and often using sex to do it. so we shouldn't be surprised that the integrity of christmas , uh, gets diverted by christmas, uh, gets diverted by other things. but what we should do is, is not accept it , other things. but what we should do is, is not accept it, or in the sense that we go on looking to celebrate christmas in its real terms, which is the encounter with the god who loves us, to whom we want to say thank you for making us matter and for giving us some significance. we can cope with a bit of commercialisation. um, if people want to make money out of it. so long we don't lose sight of

long as we don't lose sight of the real thing. >> and how important are these traditions? 6 in of traditions? i mean, 6 in 10 of us would rather a takeaway traditions? i mean, 6 in 10 of us christmas er a takeaway traditions? i mean, 6 in 10 of us christmas dinner a takeaway traditions? i mean, 6 in 10 of us christmas dinner thisakeaway traditions? i mean, 6 in 10 of us christmas dinner this yearvay for christmas dinner this year with with chinese being the favourite. by the way, if you're interested. recent poll interested. um and a recent poll found a third of people intend to send fewer christmas cards this are important this year. are these important traditions is it? we traditions or is it? we shouldn't worry about these things ? it's sort of like going. things? it's sort of like going. >> i think i think there is something to worry about. the traditions themselves are not absolutely essential, but i think one of the things we can worry about is the loss of the loss of western memory . so the loss of western memory. so the whole multiculturalism thing has failed very badly. and what it's done unglue society . some done is to unglue society. some of the traditions you talk about , christmas cards, may not , like christmas cards, may not seem important, they seem very important, but they were kind that was were a kind of glue. that was something we did together and gave coherence , a sense of gave us coherence, a sense of belonging, and actually out of that belonging, mutual responsibility . one level, responsibility. so at one level, they may not seem very important, but to lose them is a symptom of western amnesia and the loss of our culture, which i

think probably oh, i think we've lost you there. >> oh, doctor gavin ashenden, thank you very much . thank you thank you very much. thank you very much. if you can still hear us and we would like to wish you a very merry christmas. thank you very much. >> hear you. yes. sorry about that. merry christmas. thank you very much for joining that. merry christmas. thank you very much forjoining us. >> um, right. basically we're talking about multicoloured tourism. not working. and tourism. it's not working. and that's on the that's why christmas is on the way out. >> i don't think christmas is on the out. i spent many the way out. i spent many christmases when working abroad and travelling that and travelling in countries that have christian have got no christian traditions, and everybody loved christmas, and probably at the same kind of food . we had same kind of food. we had a great family christmas yesterday because two of my daughters are going off to join other parents in law, and there were the three grandchildren and, uh, my ex—wife and my partner and everybody sang songs. we did all those things. we shouldn't forget that probably the biggest christian christmas moment was,

of course, in the first world war. and the trenches when the british and german soldiers got up to play football. every german soldier, both in the first and second world war, had on his belt buckle the slogan gott mit uns , god is with us and gott mit uns, god is with us and every british padre went and gave sermons about going off and killing the hun and killing germans. so i'm not quite in line with the good doctor , uh, line with the good doctor, uh, anglican bishop, catholic herald edhofs anglican bishop, catholic herald editor's line that christianity is just the most, you editor's line that christianity is just the most , you know, is just the most, you know, unprosecuted , uh, faith in the unprosecuted, uh, faith in the world. i mean, christians did an awful lot of persecuting in their time, but actually, no, i'm receiving christmas cards. i'm receiving christmas cards. i'm sending christmas cards. uh, i'm sending christmas cards. uh, i think it's in great shape. christmas. >> emma . christmas. >> emma. emma's actually got chris. uh, writer's cramp from writing so many christmas cards. oh, well, i admire the efficiency . do you feel a bit efficiency. do you feel a bit sad, though , that, you know, sad, though, that, you know, 6 in 10 are having a chinese takeaway and a third of us are sending less cards you couldn't

see because the camera wasn't on me. >> but i actually threw my head back at that because i just think it's so unfathomable to me. um, there's no of me. um, there's no sense of sanctity think so sanctity anymore. i think in so many areas of life, we've lost that sense of sort of enchantment . and i think that enchantment. and i think that the that's just for the idea that that's just for children wrong . i think that children is wrong. i think that gavin, ash and i agree with him 100% on what he said. you know , 100% on what he said. you know, the birth of christ and the crucifixion are the two most important moments in human history. as far as i'm concerned . the only way to keep traditions is to do them. traditions alive is to do them. if you care about them and you want to preserve them, you have to them. i'll damned to do them. and i'll be damned if letting any of these. if i'm letting any of these. even victorian christmas even the victorian christmas traditions, i like them traditions, because i like them very much. die out. i'll very much. um, to die out. i'll keep doing it until the day that i die. but i do think that he's right, that the important right, that the most important part these, part of christmas isn't these, um, i think um, the trappings that i think are culturally very important for us to preserve. the for us to preserve. but the heart of christmas is the story of birth of christ. and so of the birth of christ. and so i would to anybody, you are would say to anybody, if you are really, interested in, in really, really interested in, in preserving the christian

traditions of this country, i'm going a carol service this going to a carol service this evening. i will be going to midnight mass, um, on christmas eve, go to church , keep those eve, go to church, keep those traditions alive , because if we traditions alive, because if we don't keep them alive, they will die out. and you will be eating chinese food on christmas day. and that is definitely not the ideal and that is definitely not the ideal. not thing wrong with chinese food, by the way. >> it's very lovely. our takeaways are available and indeed are included on this list. uh, right. but lots more coming up today's show. uh, coming up on today's show. uh, as for as we're in the mood for festivities with just seven days to be asking my panel to go, i'll be asking my panel if all set for if they are all set for christmas. i think a certain young might all of that young lady might be all of that and more to come. i'm dawn and much more to come. i'm dawn neesom and you're watching and listening

>> i'm michel jubrey and i'm keeping you company right through until 7:00 this evening. >> gb news the people's . channel. >> welcome back to gb news thunder with me. dawn neesom on your tv, online and on digital radio. now, as we mentioned earlier , you might not have earlier, you might not have noficed earlier, you might not have noticed it been a bit quiet about it. it's one week until christmas, so my question is, are you ready? it's that simple. do you have your dinner sorted? have you wrapped all those presents, wrap them and brought them? need to play them? do you need to play referee with your other relatives ? the time is ticking relatives? the time is ticking now. i have little miss christmas with me here. um, who is so organised i can't tell you. i actually almost want to punch her, which isn't very festive. so i mean , a festive. so i mean, a traditional christmas we've already discussed. you're going

to do that? i mean, are you all set? have you literally got nothing to do now? nothing else to do now? >> few presents >> um, there are a few presents left wrap. okay, but i was left to wrap. okay, but i was less organised year. less organised this year. i liked used to be a christmas liked i used to be a christmas eve shopper. okay. and in recent years tried get years i've tried to get everything done by the beginning of december. this year, of december. and this year, i didn't that. so didn't succeed in doing that. so i've bit disorganised i've been a bit disorganised this year, but pretty much this year, but it's pretty much all all of our presents all done. all of our presents are wrapped pretty much, and underneath tree, and underneath under the tree, and it's be a very it's going to be a very traditional christmas. >> having a lunch. are >> you'll be having a lunch. are you cooking this lunch? no no, we're to my parents for we're going to my parents for christmas we'll be christmas day and then we'll be going my other half's for, going to my other half's for, parents um, between christmas and lovely. and and new year. lovely. and obviously to obviously you're going to a carol tonight. we know. carol service tonight. we know. and going to church and you're going to church service. >> and came here instead of >> and i came here instead of going church morning, going to church this morning, though, so putting gb news though, so i'm putting gb news very grateful. >> grateful. how about very grateful. >> dennis?grateful. how about very grateful. >> dennis? what's. how about very grateful. >> dennis? what's your/ about you, dennis? what's your christmas looking like? >> as i say, the big one >> as i say, the big family one was yesterday. one will was yesterday. the next one will be christmas day with my be on christmas day with my partner. my son will be coming with 12 with us. she has 12 grandchildren. we children, grandchildren. so we children, grandchildren, she'll totally

grandchildren. so we children, granutterlyen,she'll totally grandchildren. so we children, granutterly children. totally grandchildren. so we children, gran utterly children dominated grandchildren. so we children, granutterly children dominated . and utterly children dominated. and uh, which is fabulous because children make christmas . because children make christmas. but i tell you a thing, i welcomed is the invention in, what, ten years ago? when was it of secret santa? oh, so that just stops you fussing and worrying yourself to death on a on a maiden present? i mean, close family. what? you should get. and so everybody gets a draw. you get the person you have to buy the present for, and then the person is allowed to put up what they want. i put up what i want, i didn't get anything. >> well, what did you want ? what >> well, what did you want? what did you get? >> well , did you get? >> well, originally i thought i would like a subscription to the royal court theatre, but i went to their last big show and walked out at half time. >> it was so right. >> it was so right. >> okay, so then i said a i said i'd like a, um, a red cashmere beanie. so just to scratch my head and a nice cashmere scarf, i got a bright, beautiful yellow cashmere scarf yesterday, but i

just thought, me, i'm so messy. i'll drop it off all over on the rain. so it was possibly a lovely, cheerful colour though. >> yellow. oh, it's a great your cheerful personality. i've got, i've got. >> i was wearing a yellow cashmere sweater yesterday and everybody immediately looked up and for the first time in my life, everybody smiled at daddy without having a moan. >> yellow must >> it's the yellow thing. i must admit. my, i hate telling admit. my, my, i hate telling this story because it sounds mean. it's i don't mean it mean. it's not. i don't mean it in a mean way. i love him to bits, but my brother in law once brought our, um, a pair of brought me our, um, a pair of curling for christmas. my curling tongs for christmas. my hair was actually shorter than it is now, he saw it is now, and he saw me on a weekly basis, so quite what he thought was going do with thought i was going to do with these tongs. that's the these curling tongs. that's the golden. i have no idea. >> never buy someone present >> never buy someone a present that plug. that has a plug. >> okay that's good >> right? okay that's a good point. >> that's very fair point. >> that's a very fair point. >> that's a very fair point. >> i'm not going lie. okay. >> i'm not going to lie. okay. so kitchen implements, kitchen implements probably implements are really probably not thing. implements are really probably not irons, thing. implements are really probably not irons, ice1ing. implements are really probably not irons, ice irons, bread makers. >> no. right okay. >> no. right okay. >> my dad's bought for my mum

over the years. >> um, well, i mean, i think we're going out of time we're going to run out of time again this one. again on this one. unfortunately. but you're unfortunately. um but you're watching listening to gb watching and listening to gb news with me. neesom. news under with me. dawn neesom. thank you so much for joining news under with me. dawn neesom. thank you so much forjoining me this and ready this afternoon. and get ready for don't go for that christmas. don't go anywhere, because nana anywhere, though, because nana is she's taking is up next and she's taking a look at weather with look at the weather with jonathan first, though, thank you very much. >> looks things are heating >> looks like things are heating up boiler was sponsors up boxt boiler was sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. good afternoon. i'm jonathan vautrey here of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. it's quite a windy day out there for many us. we've seen gusts of many of us. we've seen gusts of 50 to 60mph in places, so do take care because some travel disruption possible . all disruption is possible. all the persistent we persistent rain that we have seen across western scotland this going to this weekend is slowly going to be out as we head into be easing out as we head into this evening and overnight, but it it's going be it does mean it's going to be pushing its southwards into pushing its way southwards into northern northwest northern ireland, northwest england, quite england, western wales. quite a damp the far damp night here, the far southeast england holding on southeast of england holding on to some drier but to some drier conditions but still fairly and cloudy still fairly mild and cloudy here. for most of here. temperatures for most of us between and 11

us only up between 9 and 11 degrees, celsius as we head degrees, so celsius as we head into then looking into monday. then it's looking like grey, drab, damp like quite a grey, drab, damp day the vast majority of us, day for the vast majority of us, particularly areas. particularly western areas. we'll of rain we'll see outbreaks of rain further the east. it further towards the east. it will slightly and will be slightly lighter and patchier , and actually some patchier, and actually some brighter should brighter conditions should push their way scotland and their way into scotland and northern head northern ireland. as we head into and the winds into the afternoon and the winds will here a touch. but will ease down here a touch. but further showers pushing into the far northwest of scotland later on temperatures again on as well. temperatures again fairly for the fairly above average for the time year, ranging 10 time of year, ranging between 10 and into tuesday . we've got and 13 c into tuesday. we've got this next set of fronts that are going to start pushing their way in and across the south of the uk, and so it's england and wales are going to bear the brunt of the rainfall as we head into day here. quite a wet into the day here. quite a wet rush hour period. start the rush hour period. start off the day. spray on day. quite a lot of spray on roads certainly possible. it roads is certainly possible. it will be very blustery as will still be very blustery as all rain pushes its way all of this rain pushes its way off some brighter spells for scotland. northern ireland still with showers, scotland. northern ireland still with some showers, scotland. northern ireland still with some of showers, scotland. northern ireland still with some of those |owers, scotland. northern ireland still with some of those |owe|be though some of those will be wintry higher ground. wintry over the higher ground. and theme of showers and it's that theme of showers that persist as we head that will persist as we head throughout the rest of the week.

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>> good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv online and on digital radio i'm nana akua. and for the next few hours me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines. right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. and of course it's yours. we'll debating , yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times will discussing and at times we will disagree. will be disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining in the cancelled. so joining me in the next broadcasting next hour, broadcasting journalist danny also journalist danny kelly also broadcaster and author christine hamilton in in a few moments time, we'll be going head to headin time, we'll be going head to head in a clash of minds with the former ukip deputy chair and political commentator suzanne evans, and also former labour mp stephen before we get stephen pound. but before we get started, let's get your latest news sam . news with sam. >> nana thank you very much.