it's 9:00 on television, on radio and online in the united kingdom and across the world. >> this is mark dolan tonight, the last mark dolan tonight of 2023. in my opinion. rishi sunak speaks out on the threat of illegal migration and finally shows a political backbone. meanwhile, labour have no interest in stopping the boats. next year will be the immigration election and it's all to play for. immigration election and it's all to play for . this is very all to play for. this is very special . my mark meets guest is special. my mark meets guest is the most famous man in the world. father christmas live in the studio . keep the kids up. we the studio. keep the kids up. we have given him a brandy and a mince pie. father christmas at 945 and he'll be telling me whether you've been good boys or good girls this year in the big story, as ireland's voting on

erasing women's status as homemakers and a top labour mp complains that parents should stops her partying, is society forgetting the importance of the role of the mother? i'll be asking former government minister and nurturing mother herself edwina currie . i'm herself edwina currie. i'm looking forward . to this in my looking forward. to this in my take at ten, gary lineker is destroying the bbc and he doesn't care . i'll be dealing doesn't care. i'll be dealing with saint gary in no uncertain terms . that's with saint gary in no uncertain terms. that's a ten. you want to miss it . yes, indeed. two hours miss it. yes, indeed. two hours of big debates, big entertainment and big opinion are very , very last mark dolan are very, very last mark dolan tonight of the year. it's going to be a really busy one. lots to get through. first, the news headunes get through. first, the news headlines polly middlehurst . headlines and polly middlehurst. mark thank you. >> good evening to you. let's start this bulletin with a little bit of breaking news.

we're coming we're seeing coming from scotland. crews responding scotland. fire crews responding to reports of several cars on fire at an industrial estate in west lothian . the scottish fire west lothian. the scottish fire and rescue service are on scene. we understand that blaze of those fires taking place at the red mill industrial estate in whitburn . that news just coming whitburn. that news just coming through to us and as i say, fire crews are on the scene, not clear at this stage how that fire or indeed how it fire is started or indeed how it is progressing. we will keep you up on that one. now up to date on that one. now there was growing pressure today on israel with david on israel with lord david cameron joining germany's foreign minister in foreign affairs minister in calling for a ceasefire in gaza. in a joint article for the sunday times newspaper. here, the new foreign secretary warned too many civilians have been killed and it was time for what he called a sustainable ceasefire. significant ceasefire. the significant intervention is a shift in government tone on israel's war against hamas terrorists . this against hamas terrorists. this warehouse workers who supply goods to northern ireland's

hospitals are set to go on strike in one of the busiest weeks of the year for the health service, 50 northern ireland pubuc service, 50 northern ireland public service alliance workers in belfast and lisburn will begin a week long strike tomorrow. three quarters of workers engaging in strike action are paid an hourly rate of £10.92 or below . meanwhile, of £10.92 or below. meanwhile, labour has accused the government of sending the nhs into the cooler months of the year naked amid warnings of a winter crisis. the shadow health secretary told gb news that some of the funding problems facing the health service are due to excessive red tape. where's streeting promised that a labour government would work to make gps more accessible . gps more accessible. >> i'm just trying to send a message to everyone that the pubuc message to everyone that the public finances are in a mess thanks to this shower of a government, that money is going to be tight and we've got to make sure that every penny of taxpayers money well spent .

taxpayers money is well spent. >> argument on the nhs >> and the argument on the nhs can't more money, it has can't just be more money, it has to be reform and modernisation . to be reform and modernisation. otherwise, i fear that our nhs , otherwise, i fear that our nhs, as it has been for 75 years, a pubuc as it has been for 75 years, a public service free at the point of use, something i fundamentally believe in will be at risk. west streeting now wet weather is on the way for scotland. >> the met office issuing an amber weather warning that means there could be a danger to life . there could be a danger to life. up there could be a danger to life. up to eight inches of rain was forecast for this weekend and more is on the way. experts are saying it is likely to cause travel disruption, flooding and even landslides. people are being urged to take precautions and avoid flooded areas. of course , the northernmost point course, the northernmost point of the shetland islands is to become home to the uk's first licensed spaceport , ready for licensed spaceport, ready for vertical rocket launches. the first take offs from saxavord are due next year after the civil aviation authority gave the go ahead . the privately the go ahead. the privately owned site will host up to 30

launches every year, and it's for companies looking to send satellites into space. the transport secretary saying it will help put the uk at the forefront of space innovation . forefront of space innovation. that's the news on gb news across the uk , on tv, in your across the uk, on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> isn't it lovely to have polly with us on a sunday night? she returns in an hour's time. welcome to the last mark dolan tonight of 2023. in my big opinion, rishi sunak speaks out on the threat of illegal immigration. my reaction shortly in the big story as ireland votes on erasing women's status as homemakers and a top labour mp . complains that parenthood mp. complains that parenthood stops her partying . is society stops her partying. is society forgetting the importance of the role of the mother ? i'll be

role of the mother? i'll be asking former government minister and nurturing mother herself, now this herself, edwina currie, now this is very special. my mark meets guest is the most man in guest is the most famous man in the world. father christmas live in the studio. so keep the kids up right ? are the in the studio. so keep the kids up right? are the kids still awake? if not, get out of awake? if not, get them out of bed because they need to see father he's here in father christmas. he's here in the given him the studio. we've given him a mince and a brandy and he's mince pie and a brandy and he's live. just after 940. and he'll be telling me whether you've been good boys and good girls this year. that is father christmas in half an hour's time. keep the kids up in my take at ten, gary lineker is destroying the bbc and he doesn't care . i'll be dealing doesn't care. i'll be dealing with saint gary in no uncertain terms. you won't want to miss it all. ipso. the prime minister has said we need to take a thatcherite approach to tackling illegal immigration. so would margaret thatcher have stopped the boats ? i'll be asking the boats? i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker , mrs. tonight's newsmaker, mrs. thatcher's top adviser , thatcher's former top adviser, nigel gardiner. thatcher's former top adviser, nigel gardiner . we've also got nigel gardiner. we've also got tomorrow's front pages. at 1030,

with three top pundits who are fearless, who are brave, who are bold. they haven't been told what to say, and they don't follow the script. former brexit party mep annunziata rees—mogg, journalist and political consultant emma burnell . and consultant emma burnell. and conservative peer and former adviser to boris johnson, lord that's right, lord kulveer, ranger. that's right, lord kulveer, ranger . i'll that's right, lord kulveer, ranger. i'll be asking the punst ranger. i'll be asking the pundits can the new foreign secretary, david cameron, be trusted with brexit? we'll also include tory mp, former tory mp neil parish in that conversation . plus, the most important part of the show , your emails, they of the show, your emails, they come straight to my laptop mark at gbnews.com. now let me tell you that mark dolan tonight it's our last show of the year. this show would be nothing without you and we have a strict golden rule and it will get tougher next year. we don't do boring , next year. we don't do boring, not on my watch . i just won't not on my watch. i just won't have it a big two hours to come. we're going out with a bang and we start with my big opinion .

we start with my big opinion. better late than never. rishi sunak. our pint sized premier seems to have found his political voice. take a listen if we do not tackle this problem , the numbers will only grow. >> it will overwhelm our countries and our capacity to help those who actually need our help those who actually need our help the most. >> the cost of accommodating these people will anger our citizens, who won't understand why their money should have to be spent on dealing with the consequences of this evil trade. it will destroy the public's faith, not just in us as politicians, but in our very systems of government. praise the lord! >> he's grown a pair of balls. and who could disagree with what he said? this is honest. and who could disagree with what he said? this is honest . this is he said? this is honest. this is common sense and this is true. and it makes a refreshing change to hear it from a mainstream politician. now, as always , next politician. now, as always, next year's election will be about

the economy , the nhs, schools the economy, the nhs, schools and crime . but i think there's and crime. but i think there's every chance that whilst getting brexit done was the prevailing impostor in 2019, now next year will likely be britain's first ever immigration election. now i've spoken to commentators on the left, good friends of mine who have said they think this is desperate stuff from rishi, that it's dog whistle politics, that it's dog whistle politics, that it's a distraction from the real issues facing the country . well, issues facing the country. well, i beg to differ. first of all, i think that the illegal crossings are a humanitarian , economic and are a humanitarian, economic and national security disaster matter. and also rishi sunak has consistently backed the rwanda plan as prime minister and remember, his five pledges, one of them was stop the boats. sunak's not stupid . as a former sunak's not stupid. as a former incumbent at number 11, he knows that britain cannot afford porous borders and as prime minister, he knows that people are angry. of course, his position has been attacked by all the usual suspects, including 1 or 2 bbc sports

personalities who i'll be deaung personalities who i'll be dealing with in my take at ten. but from where i'm standing, sunaks great crime is simply listening to the public, not a bad basis on which to fight an election, which takes me to sir keir starmer , the cervix free keir starmer, the cervix free leader of the opposition , is leader of the opposition, is a walking political algorithm . i'm walking political algorithm. i'm a human manifestation of gtp software gone wrong. the copycat robot that he is followed sunak with his own five missions, most of which look like mission impossible . tellingly, absent impossible. tellingly, absent from his list was illegal immigration, which tells you everything you need to know. stop the boats was not on his list of five priorities. it's my view that labour are not serious at all about stopping the boats or tackling legal net migration , or tackling legal net migration, which was close to 700,000 last yeah which was close to 700,000 last year. why well, because deep down, philosophically , many in down, philosophically, many in the labour movement see borders as cruel as unfair, as unjust

and a bit colonial. why do you think that some lefty lawyers has stuck when it comes to policy ? keir starmer is a bit policy? keir starmer is a bit like kate moss or victoria beckham . he's all right until he beckham. he's all right until he opens his mouth showing his political tin ear. he suggested a possible migrant deal with the eu, which would see brussels in the driving seat, with britain potentially accepting 100,000 people a year. and he proudly declared that as prime minister he would scrap the rwanda plan even if it worked. just let that sink in for a moment, even if it worked . but labour want to stop worked. but labour want to stop the boats. do they? okay, i won't hold my breath. i'll be honest. labour are sending very mixed messages about rwanda. the plot thickens. the mail newspaper reports sam rushworth, labour's candidate for the target seat of bishop auckland in county durham, is the owner of a travel company called african dreams, which specialise in sending children as young as

13 to rwanda , describing the 13 to rwanda, describing the country as safe and a supporting environment for children. it promises to give your kids an unforgettable summer of action and adventure , but i'm so and adventure, but i'm so confused because he also said that sending illegal migrants to rwanda is against core british values, so . send your teenagers values, so. send your teenagers there. but not people who have entered the country illegally. make it. make sense when . it make it. make sense when. it comes to the policing of our borders, the integrity of our national political geography, there a clear blue line there is now a clear blue line between starmer and sunak. i'll between starmer and sunak. i'll be honest, i don't understand why the left are not tackling this issue of legal and illegal immigration, given the fact that huge numbers of people entering the country every year has a disproportionate impact on the working class of this country, a group that labour are supposed to represent . so here's the to represent. so here's the thing. if you're comfortable with current levels of illegal

immigration, which we can all agree is only going to grow, i've got a simple question for you with the cost of accommodating these individuals is now upwards of £8 million a day, which of the departmental budgets will you take that out of? we can't tax any higher, can we? we can't borrow any more money. so would you take it out of schools ? would you take it of schools? would you take it out of policing? would you take it out of the nhs? of course they have no answer because there is no answer. let me just give you a sense of how much this issue is costing the country. the apprentice star and brilliant entrepreneur lord sugar recently tweeted out a photo of the massive check that he had to write to hmrc to cover his tax bill for this year , £186 his tax bill for this year, £186 million. you heard me right £186 million. you heard me right £186 million for one year. that's quite a sum. but as the very smart barrister molly gyles pointed out on twitter , that

pointed out on twitter, that huge figure amounts to just 23 days of hotel accommodation for migrants who have entered the country illegally . 23 days and country illegally. 23 days and you're telling me this isn't a problem ? post—brexit immigration problem? post—brexit immigration is now the defining political issue of our time, and the tories can avert disaster if they grasp the nettle and tackle this crisis. it's all about getting planes in the sky before the next election and mark my words, if the rwanda plan is successful, other european nafions successful, other european nations will follow . i don't nations will follow. i don't think the outcome of the next election is anywhere near decided . if rishi sunak can stop decided. if rishi sunak can stop the boats, there will be no stopping him. your reaction? if you're happy

with current levels of legal and illegal migration, do drop me a line mark at gb news. com many would argue that when immigration goes up, you have a more productive economy. you have economic growth and of course people willing to do the work that us brits won't do. so it's all about opinions. let me have yours, mark, at gbnews.com. let's reaction now from my let's get reaction now from my top pundits. former brexit party mep german mep annunziata rees—mogg, german . ist and political consultant emma burnell conservative peer and former advisor to boris johnson, lord kulveer, ranger. great to have all three of you with me and on theatre. let me start with you, labour. don't want to stop the boats. do they know it suits them that people keep coming? >> a very confused >> um, it's a very confused losing them to take losing position for them to take because it depresses wages of the workers they're supposed to represent but keeps the represent, but it keeps the economy going without doing anything new by just filling back, filling the place . his. back, filling the place. his. but that fundamental over the long terme diminishes the well—being of everyone here. >> well, yes. i mean, you're an

economist yourself. and the issue is it's fool's gold, isn't it? the fact that sort of higher net migration boosts the economy only short terme and doesn't take into account the impact on our infrastructure , our school our infrastructure, our school places, you know , trying to get places, you know, trying to get a appointment, the roads full a gp appointment, the roads full of traffic and so on, and housing. >> absolutely . it boosts the >> absolutely. it boosts the national gdp. but but artificially , but not the gdp artificially, but not the gdp per capita, right that it lowers and that is what we are suffering from. >> now. what do you mean by that for us. so gdp is the national level of wealth. >> the rate at which that >> and the rate at which that grows is measured. then you grows is measured. but then you can divide it by the number of people the country how people in the country and how much benefits, and we much each of us benefits, and we lose those through immigration on an individual basis. lose those through immigration on an individual basis . although on an individual basis. although the country as a whole grows because there are more people, the bottom line is that we obviously require, don't we emit a certain level of migration into the country? >> britain is a successful, diverse country and my parents

are immigrants themselves. irish fantastic . but it's got to be fantastic. but it's got to be manageable. it's got to be controlled. it's not being controlled. it's not being controlled. under the tories. it'll be worse under labour. >> i don't think that's true. i think the what the labour party are trying to say is that you don't deal with this at the end of the process, the end of the process is vulnerable. >> people on boats crossing the worst shipping channel in the world. mhm. um, if you go in earlier, if you try to dismantle the gangs that are making this happen , if you actually get a, a happen, if you actually get a, a deal with other countries to try to make that happen, that's where you are much more likely to have an impact in stopping stopping the boats. >> but if all the nations of the eu weren't able to break up the gangs, how can britain ? gangs, how can britain? >> but because we are not able to do it on our own , we've seen to do it on our own, we've seen that. we've seen that over the last five years.

>> we weren't able to do it with them. they're not able to do it on their own. countries like niger have just legalised, uh, people . um, you've got people smuggling. um, you've got to go back right to the beginning, not via the middlemen of europe who are being totally ineffectual and solving their own problems , let alone helping own problems, let alone helping solve us. i would say that, yes, we do need to go back to the very beginning , but that doesn't very beginning, but that doesn't mean we don't also deal mean that we don't also deal with every other part of the route and every part of that route and every part of that route is important and needs to be dealt with. >> and at the moment we are solely focussed on on not even the route, but the end result for a very few people. and let's face it, of the thousands and thousands of people who do arrive by boat, it's quite possible that maybe 1% of them might end up on a plane to rwanda. they are not scared of that. they are not scared. >> the idea of rwanda, it's not that 30 40,000 people will see

their asylum applications processed in rwanda every year. it's the disincentive. and that's what breaks the business model for these people traffickers. that's absolutely right. >> and i said that actually in the debate recently in the house of there lots of lords, because there was lots of lords, because there was lots of being around of questions being asked around how numbers , how many will how many numbers, how many will get planes. but is the get on planes. but it is the decent to destroy that decent attentive to destroy that disgraceful people smuggling, um, organised ones and the incentive to get people through there. also i don't to there. but also i don't want to see any more drowning in see any more people drowning in the channel. children, the english channel. children, wives , daughters, mothers, wives, daughters, mothers, husbands. but wives, daughters, mothers, husbands . but actually wives, daughters, mothers, husbands. but actually this conversation demonstrates you are highlighting next year breaking news. the prime minister told me this week there will be an election next year. he say that he's been he got he did say that he's been he got that on on record. but yes, but but the key thing is january 2025.then but the key thing is january 2025. then it'll be at some point next year. by the way, may may, october or november. >> well , take your pick, but, >> well, take your pick, but, uh, but i think this conversation demonstrates this conversation demonstrates this conversation demonstrates this conversation demonstrates the immigration debate.

>> we're going to see in that general election, because immigration is such broad immigration is such a broad conversation, illegal immigration, economic immigration, economic immigration, on which services do we need support? how do we get people back into work? get our people back into work? briefly, a complex. briefly, this will be a complex. >> difficult go. for >> it's a difficult go. go for it. >> emma isn't it important to say labour saying say that labour is not saying that we should, uh, have lots of people arriving on our shores illegally? yeah, that's not what labouris illegally? yeah, that's not what labour is saying. no, at all. so it would be good if we had that debate properly. >> we will. but let me just tell you, immigration an you, immigration has been an issue new labour issue because we had new labour and uncontrolled immigration when thought it would when they thought it would be in the and the tens of thousands and hundreds of freedom hundreds of thousands of freedom of one of of movement. that's one wave of uncontrolled of movement. that's one wave of uncontrolyou mean is that we >> what you mean is that we opened our borders as people joined the eu . yes. joined the eu. yes. >> and we're unaware of . how >> and we're unaware of. how many people would be coming in. >> totally. and we didn't have to. we didn't know. >> but that was one. and the >> but that was one. and ah, the european nations did not, did not. various ways european nations did not, did no different various ways european nations did not, did no different governments, ways european nations did not, did no different governments, of ays of different governments, of different dealt different hues who have dealt with and to with immigration in and led to

this are this place where we are now, where? mark. year where? yes, mark. next year the country will be focusing on immigration. country will be focusing on immigratiorlike . to part of this >> i would like. to part of this as a conservative. look, where are we now on immigration? because as i as i understand it, we have highest levels of we have the highest levels of legal immigration in in the last ten years under. the legal immigration in in the last ten years under . the tories. ten years under. the tories. >> yes. but i think what we're trying to do is understand how we get right level of immigration. >> let kulveer answer. >> let kulveer answer. >> well, i was about say >> well, i was about to say we have have the right level of have to have the right level of immigration. the targeted immigration, to support the economic immigration, to support the economi that's supporting whether that's supporting adult social care, whether that's supporting certain industries. so . i'm sorry, what we're going so. i'm sorry, what we're going to do. like the short answer, we didn't we didn't track who was coming from. >> let me tell you, my pundits are coming in hot tonight. they know that it's the last mark dolan tonight of the year. they're bringing their a game. we're going to pick up this conversation at 1030 with the papers. emma have a papers. but does emma have a point? have the tories made a horlicks of this and could labour stop the boats? let me know your thoughts mark at

gbnews.com. lots more on that with stop them in their tracks. but will shortly. but they will return shortly. next story as next up in the big story as ireland votes on erasing women status as homemakers, and top status as homemakers, and a top labour that labour mp complains that parenthood stops partying . parenthood stops her partying. is society forgetting . the is society forgetting. the importance of the role of a mother? i'll be asking former government minister and nurturing mother herself, edwina currie, moment .

i always think is vegans often have an optics problem. >> earlier on gb news radio . >> earlier on gb news radio. >> earlier on gb news radio. >> look, a very busy show. the last mark dolan tonight of the year. last mark dolan tonight of the year . thank last mark dolan tonight of the year. thank you so much for being amazing listeners, amazing viewers . we're going to come viewers. we're going to come back bigger and stronger in 2024. uh, now look , it's time 2024. uh, now look, it's time for the big story and ireland is due to hold a referendum next year on whether to erase the word women from their constitution. another vote will be held on the status of the family as a politician felt that article 40 or 41.1 of the irish constitution implies that a

woman's place is in the home. um, it reads. the state recognises that by her life within the home, a woman gives it to the state, a support without which the common good cannot be achieved. meanwhile, labour mp stella creasy took to twitter this week to lament missing out on christmas parties because she's got to look after her children, calling it the motherhood penalty. so does modern society underplay the role of importance of mothers? let's have a look at the tweets as i walk past everyone going to christmas parties and drinks. on my way to get the kids from nursery yet again, acutely aware that the motherhood penalty is just the that keeps on just the gift that keeps on giving, just flexible giving, not just flexible working need, flexible working we need, but flexible networking too. now i'll bring in my brilliant pundits and ba.2 rees—mogg in just a moment. who isindeed rees—mogg in just a moment. who is indeed a mother herself. but let's now speak to edwina currie, former government minister parent edwina. minister and parent edwina. lovely to have you back. your reaction to this story ? reaction to this story? >> oh my goodness . isn't stella

>> oh my goodness. isn't stella creasy a winger , a winger? i creasy a winger, a winger? i mean, she's chosen to have the kids. >> she should be walking away watching people going to their city parties thinking, oh , city parties thinking, oh, great, i'm going to get my kids. >> i'm going to have some quality time with them. i'm luckier than they are. >> luckier than all the >> i'm luckier than all the people who are busy going to these parties and getting , um, these parties and getting, um, um, well, whatever people get when they go to parties, i mean , when they go to parties, i mean, goodness me, there's something weird about a lot of this, actually , mark, it seems to me actually, mark, it seems to me the feminists seem to want to have it both ways . have it both ways. >> they want have women to >> they want to have women to have treatment and to be have special treatment and to be treated in a way that recognises their role or whatever . but they their role or whatever. but they also want equality and you don't have a great you don't need to have a great you don't need to have a great brain to figure out that actually, those things have a great brain to figure out tha'aictually, those things have a great brain to figure out tha'a little ly, those things have a great brain to figure out tha'a little incomplete things are a little incomplete possible. and i think , in fact, possible. and i think, in fact, that what we do and we're lucky to do that is we choose, uh, if you're going to have kids, think

hard about how you're going to look after them. think hard about, uh, going do the about, uh, who's going to do the picking up of school and all that sort of thing and then just enjoy it, make the most of it. because you know what? won't because you know what? it won't last around one last long. you turn around one day they're looking after day and they're looking after you with a bit of luck . excuse you with a bit of luck. excuse me . there you go. me. there you go. >> bless you. uh poor edwina, you sound like you're, uh, rather full of flu. thank you for joining us in your, uh, you forjoining us in your, uh, you know, rather challenged physical state. back state. lovely to have you back on the show. merry on the show. and merry christmas, way. loving christmas, by the way. loving that christmas jumper. um, let's bnng that christmas jumper. um, let's bring into bring annunziata rees—mogg into this , if can. edwina this as well, if i can. edwina and let's take a look at this. uh proposed change to irish uh proposed change to the irish constitution in, uh, here is the offending clause , which some offending clause, which some feminists in ireland feel is sexist . the state recognises sexist. the state recognises that by her life within the home, um, a woman gives to the state a support without which the common good cannot be achieved . are you offended? are achieved. are you offended? are you triggered by that statement or nunziata .

or nunziata. >> no. i think that women and mothers who look after their children clearly give a great deal of support to the state and as edwina said , quite often as edwina said, quite often people, women who are looking after their own young children are also looking after the older generation as well . and a generation as well. and it is a very giving necessary very giving and very necessary role continuity of our role for the continuity of our society. without adding extra burdens . but society. without adding extra burdens. but i think it comes to down it is a choice to become a parent, and with it comes a responsibility and you can't have it all. you can't be out drinking all night and partying all christmas and having a top flying job and being a good mother who's keeping a safe environment for their children and women . have to make choices and women. have to make choices and women. have to make choices and sometimes they might not be the choices they want to make . the choices they want to make. but you do make sacrifices for your children. >> i'm going to be >> edwina, i'm going to be deadly. on. deadly. go on. >> a temporary thing. it really is. it'sjust >> a temporary thing. it really is. it's just a temporary thing. just like my little cough was a moment apologise . um, it.

moment ago. i apologise. um, it. you'll start off with tiny babies who you can actually transport anywhere and i used to take mine to birmingham city council meetings when mine were little ones. and they're now heading up to 50. goodness me. um but one day you turn around and they're teenagers and they need to talk you seriously need to talk to you seriously about or not tell you about something. or not tell you anything . uh, and then next anything. uh, and then next thing you go, they they're off. and that all happens in absolute bliss of an eye. so make the most of it while you can. and i tell you what, um, i don't envy any man because we have the children. you know, we are the mother goddesses, and we are the strongest and the majority . strongest and the majority. party. why on earth women should think of themselves as weak heaven only knows. >> edwina, i edwina. >> edwina, i edwina. >> edwina. um. i'm being deadly serious here. i, i consider you to be a feminist icon because you've had a family and a high flying political and broadcasting career, and you beat me in mastermind, by the

way, because you're dangerously clever. but is there a tension between feminism and motherhood ? between feminism and motherhood? >> well , they seem to think so. >> well, they seem to think so. the feminists seem to think so. and yet the strongest woman around is a mother. uh that's the one person that you're not going to challenge. if the safety or interests of her child are at risk and it seems to me that quite a lot of the feminists, and i've always thought this for 50 odd years since i was student , thought this for 50 odd years since i was student, quite a since i was a student, quite a lot of the feminists really wish that they were men, and that they , uh, go to work and they could, uh, go to work and leave the all domestic work leave the all the domestic work to somebody else. well, can to somebody else. well, you can do but basically you have do that. but basically you have to do it by paying someone. i mean, done housework mean, i've never done housework in my life. i wouldn't know where the hoover is. i pay someone to do that. i'm glad to do that. uh, she's good at doing the housework, i'm at the housework, and i'm good at doing other things, as you have. just mentioned . just so kindly mentioned. >> uh, what do you think about this, ? do you agree this, annunziata? do you agree with stella creasy , the labour with stella creasy, the labour mp, there is a motherhood mp, that there is a motherhood penalty? have you paid that

penalty? >> it's not a penalty. it's a choice you make. and if you choose to have children , it is choose to have children, it is your duty to put them first. and i think stella creasy is showing an extraordinary level of selfishness where why become a mother if you're not trying to give your children the most wonderful life? and that is surely the reason for wanting to have children is to look after them, nurture them, care for them, nurture them, care for them, and be there for them . not them, and be there for them. not to be going out pursuing your own selfish interests. but i do object to one thing, edwina said, which is that it is a short period . it might be for short period. it might be for when they really are little, and that kind of level of need, but i still need my mother now. she's a wonder woman and a hugely influence my hugely positive influence on my life. you don't to life. and you don't get to retire. life. and you don't get to reti yeah, definitely don't . >> yeah, you definitely don't. >> yeah, you definitely don't. >> there is another way of putting you really want putting it. if you really want to spend your time going to parties at christmas , then why parties at christmas, then why have kids ? why are you so

have kids? why are you so precious about the party? party thatis precious about the party? party that is more precious than spending time with your kids ? i spending time with your kids? i mean, i love spending time with my kids even now, when they're busy telling me usually what to do. don't do that , mum. act your do. don't do that, mum. act your age. i >> i tell you, edwina , we've >> i tell you, edwina, we've loved having you on the show this year . this year. >> i'm your number one fan. i look forward to many on air adventures in 2024. merry christmas and new year! christmas and happy new year! you too, the brilliant edwina currie. that's the kind of quality i'm talking about. not just an experienced former government minister and broadcaster, there she is, broadcaster, but there she is, probably full of covid or the flu, but she soldiers on and she did a brilliant performance. i think you'll agree. earlier we asked society . asked you, does modern society. underplay the role and importance of mothers? well the results are in and 86.4% say yes. whilst . 13.6% say no. and yes. whilst. 13.6% say no. and on theatre and my top pundits are back in just a couple of minutes alongside former tory mp neil parish , we'll be asking can

neil parish, we'll be asking can the new foreign secretary, david cameron, be trusted with brexit? and don't forget , i'll be and don't forget, i'll be deaung and don't forget, i'll be dealing with gary lineker at 10:00 in my take at

devices earlier on gb news radio i >> -- >> look, a really busy show. >> look, a really busy show. >> apologies will get to your emails shortly , but the new emails shortly, but the new foreign secretary, lord david cameron, has again raised eyebrows this week after telling the lords eu committee that the heat and anger has now gone from the uk's relationship with europe. the former prime minister appeared to have softened his initial disdain for brexit, and not for the first time in 2018, he was caught in a mic slip saying it's turned out less badly than first thought and was not disaster. but and was not a disaster. but given that he was the face and force the remain campaign, force of the remain campaign, many still their many still have their reservations lord reservations about lord cameron's commitment to honounng cameron's commitment to honouring result of the 2016 honouring the result of the 2016 referendum. um, so is brexit safe in david cameron's hands?

let's get reaction from my pundits. but first, former conservative mp, a man who's not shy about making his views known neil parish, neil do . you think neil parish, neil do. you think brexit is safe in the hands of our new foreign secretary ? our new foreign secretary? >> uh, good evening mark. yes, i do actually think it's safe in his hands because i think , um, his hands because i think, um, for leaving europe , um, and for me, leaving europe, um, and leaving the european union , uh, leaving the european union, uh, was really not about giving up on european trade and so therefore, with somebody with therefore, with somebody with the experience of david cameron , the experience of david cameron, um, i think actually we can build up the european trade, keep as much of that as possible. you know, a trade deal now coming on with india for all of these things have freed us up by leaving the european union. uh, but i now we've just lost the line to neil. >> uh, we're going to reconnect with him. i think it's very interesting. what lord cameron has said, because the narrative is that brexit has been a disaster. now i'll be honest, i voted remain, but i immediately accepted the result. i'd argue

it's been a roaring success. the bottom line is that britain avoided recession this year. unlike germany and the eurozone, and exports to the eu and the rest of the world are at a record high. i mean, i could continue the list goes on, but let's bring in my top pundits. we've got, uh, former brexit party mep annunziata rees—mogg , party mep annunziata rees—mogg, journalist political journalist and political consultant and consultant emma burnell and former adviser to boris johnson, lord colvey arrangement . i think lord colvey arrangement. i think we got the line back to you as well, neil. neil, do you want to finish your point? finish making your point? because you just there because you were just there pretty much defending david cameron's . cameron's position. >> sorry, sorry, mark. i didn't catch what you said. >> yeah. do you want to finish your point about cameron ? your point about david cameron? you he's you don't think that he's a threat brexit at. threat to brexit at. >> no, i don't, because i believe he is there . um to he believe he is there. um to he will fight the corner for britain. he's got a huge amount of experience and he'll be able to that in order to get a to use that in order to get a have a good relationship with the union while the european union while

building trade deals building on these trade deals across the world with india and others. so i think we've got the best of all world. and i think we need to use his experience and i don't think we need to be too about that too worried about the fact that he he can pained for remain he yes, he can pained for remain as did i. but we accept the fact that we brexited and i think actually the country is doing well out of brexit, but . i still well out of brexit, but. i still want to maintain, you know , want to maintain, you know, still over 40% of our trade is with the european union, even if we buy german cars. all right. they are made in germany, but we make on selling them in this country as well. make all country as well. so we make all imports as well exports. all imports as well as exports. all of good stuff. and of this is good stuff. and therefore i welcome david cameron . and don't we cameron. and i don't think we should quite so paranoid. should be quite so paranoid. dare i say it, on which side you were over the argument. over well, let's get on and get the country trading. >> yes. i mean, i think there's a changing mood. kulveer ranger i think many former remainers are actually beginning to warm

to brexit. we've got control of our currency, control of our borders, control of our courts and our laws. sounds pretty good to me. >> i think you're right, mark. and i think the same thing could probably be said about most of the british people as well. i think that people have accepted and saw some of the and obviously we saw some of the successes that we also had in terms of how we had to handle the vaccine rollout in this country freedom country because of the freedom we had from, uh, being in engagedin we had from, uh, being in engaged in the european way of the vaccine trials . the vaccine trials. >> we've got the aukus defence deal >> we've got the aukus defence deal. yes >> aukus and the other deals that are being signed across the world. but what i think is critical here, as you're highlighting, critical here, as you're highligisecretary come in foreign secretary has come in with this prime with supporting this prime minister, who was a very much a brexiteer and this government. and so he knows what, and he's accepted the role on that basis. and i think that's where you are. highlighting his view on brexit has changed. it has changed. he sees opportunity changed. he sees the opportunity as he sees where the direction of the country is. he sees that

the british people have accepted this moving this and i think we're moving on. i think there are still, though, who do have though, people who do have concerns see in concerns and you see them in and around whitehall, and i think we have to keep our eyes focussed on how we look divergence on how we look at divergence across various things , um, across various things, um, legislation, because there is various things around data , various things around data, technology and other things that i see the word divergence i see that the word divergence comes in. think we have comes up in. and i think we have to cautious and careful that comes up in. and i think we have to don't|tious and careful that comes up in. and i think we have to don't tie 15 and careful that comes up in. and i think we have to don't tie ourselveseful that comes up in. and i think we have to don't tie ourselves back hat comes up in. and i think we have to don't tie ourselves back into we don't tie ourselves back into . the eu. but if we need to, we are explicit why and what the benefits. right. don't slide back into the eu orbit. >> let me tell you, father christmas is in the building. he's my mark meets guest. keep the up. he'll here in a the kids up. he'll be here in a couple emma just couple of minutes. emma just a couple of minutes. emma just a couple cameron couple of minutes. emma just a coanot cameron couple of minutes. emma just a coanot undo cameron couple of minutes. emma just a coanot undo brexit, cameron will not undo brexit, but a labour government will not undo brexit, but a labyou government will not undo brexit, but a labyou can't1ment will not undo brexit, but a labyou can't undo: will not undo brexit, but a labyou can't undo brexit. it's >> you can't undo brexit. it's a stupid proposition . we have left stupid proposition. we have left the eu . uh, there may well be in the eu. uh, there may well be in frankly 30, 40, 50 years time. i don't think it's going to happen any sooner than that. uh deal.

where we re—enter some sort of, uh, european trading group. but at that point, frankly, the way that europe is going, i think it's going to be the right pushing it rather than the left. um, what we are looking at is to how be the best partner and the least antagonistic partner to the eu that we can be. and that is where i think labour is trying to land itself . trying to land itself. >> okay, okay. >> okay, okay. >> anunciata , give me 10s if you >> anunciata, give me 10s if you can. your closing thoughts on this. >> i'm going to go with cameron's own words is that we're not going to suddenly see reopen free movement or go back to customs union. >> and those things i am going to have to take him at his word. >> and those things i am going to iknewo take him at his word. >> and those things i am going to iknew heake him at his word. >> and those things i am going to iknew he wasn't! at his word. >> and those things i am going to iknew he wasn't the his word. >> and those things i am going to iknew he wasn't the man ord. >> and those things i am going to iknew he wasn't the man toi. he knew he wasn't the man to take of the eu having take us out of the eu having lost referendum, but he lost the referendum, but he might well be the one to us might well be the one to help us make in the wider world. make our way in the wider world. >> fascinating response, sir neil. another highly neil. you are another highly regarded and much loved friend of mark dolan tonight. i'll . see of mark dolan tonight. i'll. see you in 2024. not only will you

be back in the studio, but i'm visiting your farm and i can't wait to get my hands on your udders or the others of your cow of daisy and that heifer that or that mine. >> how you refer to that? yeah. >> how you refer to that? yeah. >> that's the bull with the >> that's it. the bull with the ring. mean, i'm all over it. >> that's it. the bull with the ringneil,ean, i'm all over it. >> that's it. the bull with the ringneil, listen,n all over it. >> that's it. the bull with the ringneil, listen, happyver it. >> that's it. the bull with the ringneil, listen, happy new. >> that's it. the bull with the ringneil, listen, happy new year >> neil, listen, happy new year to you when it comes. and we'll see year. to see you next year. lots more to come. dealing with. come. i'll be dealing with. thank thank you. in thank you neil. thank you. in just time, the just 15 minutes time, the countdown is on. i'll be dealing with gary lineker . but first up, with gary lineker. but first up, how would you to win how would you like to win £10,000 cash? brand new tech and shopping vouchers. well, you could winner of our very could be the winner of our very first british giveaway. first great british giveaway. here's of how here's all the details of how you could make those prizes. yours >> this we're launching the >> this week we're launching the great british giveaway , your great british giveaway, your chance to grab some amazing pnzes chance to grab some amazing prizes and start your new year the right way. you could win an incredible £10,000 in tax free cash to spend on anything you like . cash to spend on anything you like. imagine having all of cash to spend on anything you like . imagine having all of that like. imagine having all of that extra cash in your bank account. we'll also bring you bang up to

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okay. are the kids up ? it is okay. are the kids up? it is time now for mark meets .

time now for mark meets. >> yes , and tonight's quite >> yes, and tonight's quite simply can you hear him? >> the most famous man in the world. and that rare thing a pubuc world. and that rare thing a public figure liked by everyone . public figure liked by everyone. father christmas. so have you all been good girls and good boys this year? we're about to find christmas, boys this year? we're about to find to christmas, boys this year? we're about to find to mark hristmas, boys this year? we're about to find to mark hristm tonight. welcome to mark dolan tonight. thank you. mark. privileged to have here. now, listen, have you here. now, listen, there's a lot of issues there's been a lot of issues with trains at the moment. the weather's rough. it's very windy i >> -- >> it was lam >> it was very rough in actual fact, i left greenland about four hours ago. >> yeah. and i looked at the sky was clear, but there was a black line in the distance and i said to the wife, hmm. >> snow. she no >> snow. and she said, no reindeer . reindeer. >> well, glad to hear that. >> well, glad to hear that. >> i'm glad she's got a good sense of humour, much like your good self, spite of the good self, in spite of the weather, the wind, the rain, the snow going able to snow are you going to be able to deliver this deliver those presents this year? . year? of course. >> every year without fail, because you've obviously got you've haven't

you? >> because it's not just the reindeer, it. but you're, reindeer, is it. but you're, it's planes trains, it's planes, trains, automobiles, everything. yeah. any now listen, we any which way. now listen, we know that you're always very generous every year to the boys and girls out there, but has inflation been a problem this year? has father christmas been impacted prices ? impacted by rising prices? >> it's impacted everyone . it's >> it's impacted everyone. it's not a family in the land. it has an impact, i'm sure. yeah um, we've. but there are some benefits. we've we've cut back the feed for the reindeer. they're slimmer and quicker. i've got a new sleigh. >> really? is it is it electric? >> really? is it is it electric? >> is it like a tesla? >> is it like a tesla? >> no, it was, it's the old fashioned way, but it was very cheap. >> it was on the house. >> it was on the house. >> oh, perfect. what more do you want? >> father christmas ? um, what do >> father christmas? um, what do you like to have left out for you? because i've had lots of questions about. do you like a brandy? do you want mince pies? what they leave on the what should they leave on the table come in portland? table when you come in portland? >> pies are very welcome. >> mince pies are very welcome. but spoken but i've spoke to the spoken to the and said just

the doctor and he said just leave out either a mince pie or port because they can't do both in every house. >> oh well, i'm pleased to hear that. >> well, that brings me on to my next question. >> actually, you've been around next question. >.long ually, you've been around a long time. >> can say look fabulous >> can i say you look fabulous for father christmas ? for your age? father christmas? yes, but can honest yes, but you can be honest with me. harder to me. is it getting harder to navigate your way down that chimney? >> it slightly. that's why >> it is slightly. that's why the words with me to the doctors had words with me to try and lose more weight. try and lose a bit more weight. because i'm. i'm fairly corpulent, but we can't have a skinny father. >> no no no, that won't happen. >> that won't happen. but i might lose inch might like to lose an inch or so. you. >> how do you. >> how do you. >> how do you. >> how get down that >> how do you get down that chimney? have to wiggle? chimney? do you have to wiggle? well rudolph help? well does rudolph help? >> , no, i don't need to wiggle. >> there are some houses, of course, chimneys. course, without chimneys. >> you do then? >> yeah. so what do you do then? i cut my and the doors i cut my hands and the doors open and we leave the presents . open and we leave the presents. >> that's why children without chimneys needn't worry. >> they don't have worry. i'm >> they don't have to worry. i'm so hear that. how is so pleased to hear that. how is rudolph this is rudolph doing this year? is he fighting fit? >> fit. we've cut his >> he's very fit. we've cut his food down a little bit and he's leading the other eight very well. >> and has he got a red nose?

>> and has he got a red nose? >> yes. pleased to hear that. yeah >> and he's not still being bullied by the other reindeer, is he. >> no no no no , we've got a >> no no no no, we've got a tight rein on them. well nicely done, father christmas . done, father christmas. >> do you get presents as well? >> do you get presents as well? >> the presents i get is watching the faces of children and parents. and you, you, you are a wonderful dad as well. i've watched you and your family over the years . and you shall. over the years. and you shall. you shall feel very, very proud. >> oh my goodness, you've done some wonderful things. oh father christmas. well, that's nice you >> well, that's very nice of you to . say. i do my best, mrs. to. say. i do my best, mrs. dolan should take all the credit. >> well, half the credit. >> well, half the credit. >> now, i've got lots of brilliant children watching and listening tonight. so shall we give them a wave? first of all, there we are, father christmas giving you a wave. and he said the presents are coming. so fear not. um, will they? the children watching and listening now? will they you the they be able to see you in the sky eve? don't sky on christmas eve? i don't mean news. mean in the sky. >> no they will. >> no they will. >> some people will get confused

because an astronaut a while ago . yeah. dropped their bag and thatis . yeah. dropped their bag and that is going across the sky as well . but not far that is going across the sky as well. but not far behind that bright light of the bag. you'll see us providing there's no cloud . cloud. >> oh, i see, well, that's so exciting. >> well, i'll definitely be there with my binoculars on christmas eve. looking out the window, but i guess you still want the children to go to bed on christmas you don't want on christmas eve. you don't want them right? them up all night, right? >> no, it won't work if you >> no, no, it won't work if you stay up. >> is that it? and you always fall asleep anyway, even if you try staying up. >> yes. you know, i know what happens. they'll stay up and stay up, and then they fall asleep. and then i've been all right. >> so you won't. >> so you won't. >> actually, presents don't >> actually, the presents don't arrive those eyelids >> actually, the presents don't arri shut those eyelids >> actually, the presents don't arri shut . those eyelids are shut. >> i'm not coming in until they're >> i'm not coming in until the oh , imagine that now, what >> oh, imagine that now, what happens the year? >> do you go to barbados in january? >> no. we've so january? >> no. we've got so much to do. when how children when you think how many children there millions there are in the world, millions . all presents we need . and all the presents we need to getit . and all the presents we need to get it together, to wrap and get it all together, we after the we need to look after the sleigh. course, know the sleigh. of course, you know the workshops .

workshops need refitting. >> well, look, speaking of which , always splendid. , you always look splendid. >> makes your lovely outfit? >> who makes your lovely outfit? >> who makes your lovely outfit? >> my wife. >> my wife. >> oh, mrs. christmas, how is mrs. christmas, by the way? >> she's very well. >> she's very well. >> i mean, is she. >> yeah. i mean, is she. >> what's it like santa >> well, what's it like santa clause her contract she >> well, what's it like santa clalto her contract she >> well, what's it like santa clalto iter contract she >> well, what's it like santa clalto it ? contract she >> well, what's it like santa clalto it ? um,'act she >> well, what's it like santa clalto it ? um, what's she >> well, what's it like santa clalto it? um, what's shes has to do it? um, what's she like? i mean, being married to father christmas, she must be pinching herself every day. >> great presents. >> course it does. >> course it does. >> great presents. >> great presents. >> the gift of your company , >> the gift of your company, father christmas. a true privilege to have you in the studio. you are the most famous man world. and i should studio. you are the most famous mayou world. and i should studio. you are the most famous mayou get world. and i should studio. you are the most famous mayou get on. ld. and i should studio. you are the most famous mayou get on. because should studio. you are the most famous mayou get on. because you've! let you get on. because you've got presents to deliver a lot to do next week. do in the next week. >> a lot. >> a lot. >> there you go, folks. father christmas, tell that christmas, don't tell me that we don't the names here on don't get the big names here on mark tonight . lots mark dolan tonight. uh, lots more keep emails more to come. keep those emails coming. at . gbnews.com. coming. marc at. gbnews.com. we've got tomorrow's papers with full pundit reaction, but it might take a ten. gary lineker is destroying the bbc and he doesn't care. i'll be dealing with saint gary in no uncertain terms. he's been a naughty boy. i'm not sure he's getting any

presents this year. don't miss my ten. it'sjust in my take at ten. it's just in five minutes time. see you in two. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. there plenty of weather to there is plenty of weather to keep occupied over the course there is plenty of weather to ke this occupied over the course there is plenty of weather to ke this coming ed over the course there is plenty of weather to ke this coming week, r the course there is plenty of weather to ke this coming week, ands course there is plenty of weather to ke this coming week, and that rse of this coming week, and that starts off even on sunday evening and night. this band of rain spreading its way across parts of northern ireland, northern england, southwest scotland, northern england, southwest scotlai as the northern england, southwest scotlaias the southeastern wales as well. the southeastern areas of england will hold on to areas of england will hold on to a clearer spells, and also a few clearer spells, and also in the northwest scotland in the northwest of scotland will spells will see some clear spells overnight allow overnight that will allow temperatures to drop off down into figures also. into mid single figures also. but where you are stuck underneath cloud underneath all that cloud and rain another night, rain will be another mild night, not seeing much than 10 to not seeing much lower than 10 to 12 c. that rain will push 12 c. that rain will slowly push its southwards as we head its way southwards as we head throughout there throughout the day, so there will be some brightness in will be some early brightness in the cloud the southeast, but the cloud will up its way will tend to thicken up its way in and into the afternoon. in here and into the afternoon.

it's of it's going to be parts of northern central northern ireland, into central areas to areas of scotland that start to see poke its way in, and see the sun poke its way in, and the winds will also easing the winds will also be easing out in the north, but still quite blustery for england and wales once again. generally, temperatures above average for the 10 and the time of year between 10 and 13 c, and tuesday. our attention to frontal to this next area of frontal systems going . to push systems that are going. to push their way in from the southwest, so it's looking like wales and england that are going to bear the brunt of the rainfall on tuesday be a very rush tuesday could be a very wet rush hour period thing on the hour period first thing on the day. on the roads day. lots of spray on the roads when that day. lots of spray on the roads wheieventually that day. lots of spray on the roads wheieventually clear that day. lots of spray on the roads wheieventually clear its that day. lots of spray on the roads wheieventually clear its way day. lots of spray on the roads wh

>> it's 10:00 >> it's10:00 on television, on radio and online in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight, right? the last one of 2023. it might take a ten. gary lineker is destroying the bbc and he doesn't care. i'll be dealing with saint gary in no uncertain terms . you won't want to miss terms. you won't want to miss it. that's in two minutes time. rishi sunak has said we need to take a thatcherite approach to tackling illegal . take a thatcherite approach to tackling illegal. immigration so would margaret thatcher have stopped the boats? i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker , the asking tonight's newsmaker, the iron lady's former top adviser , iron lady's former top adviser, nigel gardiner. plus tomorrow's newspaper front pages and live reaction in the studio from my top pundits who, let me tell you , are in the christmas spirit. lord kulveer ranger emma burnell and annunziata rees—mogg . a and annunziata rees—mogg. a packed show i'll be dealing with gary lineker in just a second. you won't want to miss it. but first, the headlines and first, the news headlines and polly middlehurst .

polly middlehurst. >> mark, thank you. good evening. well, the top story tonight is that michael gove is now facing calls to appear before mps to answer questions over ppe firm medpro , after over ppe firm medpro, after baroness mone admitted she'd failed to declare that her husband's company would benefit to the tune of £60 million of taxpayers money after the deal, the cabinet minister, who was chancellor of the duchy of lancaster during the pandemic , lancaster during the pandemic, was named by the baroness in her first interview since the scandal emerged . medpro is scandal emerged. medpro is currently being investigated by the national crime agency , while the national crime agency, while the national crime agency, while the department of health is taking action over a breach of contract . michelle mone conceded contract. michelle mone conceded to the bbc that she had made an error by not revealing her links to the company, but then insisted misleading the media was not a crime . the deputy was not a crime. the deputy prime minister. has said the government does have robust

plans in place for illegal migrants to be flown to rwanda . migrants to be flown to rwanda. it follows reports that some airlines may refuse to sign contracts to take part in the government's illegal immigration policy . it's reported that policy. it's reported that ministers have since appointed an agent to source a commercial aircraft supplier , which is aircraft supplier, which is willing to ferry illegal migrants to the african nation when the scheme becomes operational . oliver dowden says operational. oliver dowden says the government is committed to getting flights to rwanda off the ground as soon as possible . the ground as soon as possible. now the government has added to the growing international pressure on israel by calling for a sustainable ceasefire in gaza. the new foreign secretary, lord david cameron, said too many civilians have been killed , many civilians have been killed, which is a significant shift in the government's tone on the conflict . but both lord cameron conflict. but both lord cameron and his german counterpart stopped short of calling for an immediate ceasefire. a recurring demand by pro—palestine line campaigners . now, warehouse

campaigners. now, warehouse workers who supply goods to northern ireland's hospitals are set to go on strike in one of the biggest week's busiest weeks, rather of the year for the health service . 50 northern the health service. 50 northern ireland public service alliance workers in belfast and in lisburn will begin a week long strike. it starts tomorrow, three quarters of the workers engaging in that strike are paid an hourly rate of £10.92, or below . a senior network rail below. a senior network rail manager has resigned after hundreds of passengers were left stranded . for more than three stranded. for more than three hours on a stationary train outside of london. michelle handforth had been managing director for the wales and western region since 2021. her departure comes after hundreds of passengers were stuck in darkened carriages after a fault with an overhead cable meant all trains were held without power or explanation. outside paddington in west london earlier this month , passengers

earlier this month, passengers complained they were given virtually no information and, more critically, no access to toilet facilities . football . toilet facilities. football. player tom lockyer remains in hospital tonight. he's awaiting the results of tests and scans after suffering a cardiac arrest on the pitch during a game yesterday . the luton town fc yesterday. the luton town fc captain will hold is in a stable condition and has undergone a raft of scans. the second half of yesterday's premier league match in bournemouth was abandoned after the player collapsed on the field and he was responsive before being taken to hospital . and lastly , a taken to hospital. and lastly, a cheese that's been dubbed brutal for its smell is proving very popular. this christmas. it's called the minger. it's made in the highlands of scotland , and the highlands of scotland, and it's now on sale in british supermarkets for the first time. despite its extreme smell . while despite its extreme smell. while the maker of the cheese agrees there's no real way to know if there's no real way to know if the minger is indeed the punchiest cheese ever. there are

clearly many who think it could be. that's the news on gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> red leicester, eat your heart out. >> my thanks to polly middlehurst, who returns in an hours middlehurst, who returns in an hour's time. welcome to mark dolan tonight, our last one of 2023. rishi sunak has said we need to take a thatcherite approach to tackling illegal immigration. so would margaret thatcher have stopped the boats? i'll be asking . tonight's i'll be asking. tonight's newsmaker, the iron lady's former top adviser, nigel gardiner. plus tomorrow's newspaper front pages and live reaction in the studio from tonight's pundits are, tonight's top pundits who are, let tell you , in a festive let me tell you, in a festive spirit, former brexit party mep annunziata rees—mogg, journalist and political consultant emma burnell and conservative peer, former adviser to boris johnson,

lord kulveer ranger. plus they'll be nominating their headune they'll be nominating their headline heroes and back page zeroes are packed. hour to come. those papers are on the way. it's our last hour of the year. let's make it one to remember and we start with my take at ten. ex—footballer and fried potato salesman gary lineker is nakedly using his platform to influence the political debate influence the political debate in this country. influence the political debate in this country . well, forgive in this country. well, forgive me if i do the same . saint gary, me if i do the same. saint gary, the spiritual . leader of the be the spiritual. leader of the be kind cult and a professionally nice human being, kind cult and a professionally nice human being , is now openly nice human being, is now openly mocking his bbc employers with a signed condemning the signed letter condemning the rwanda plan to process migration claims abroad. that must have taken a huge effort, mustn't it? signing letter ? where does he signing a letter? where does he get the time or energy? i do hope he took the rest of the day off, but i'll be honest, gary lineker's ongoing pronouncements , even though he's effectively a

civil servant in the employ of the national state broadcaster, these pronouncements, pronouncements to all of us a big favour because it shows the true colours of the media and political elite in this country. i see no appetite from gary lineker or others to bring the illegal migrant crossings down to zero. a figure i suggested in yesterday's big opinion . perhaps yesterday's big opinion. perhaps that's because gary is insulated from the consequences of his virtue signalling. i doubt gary lives near a migrant hotel. i doubt he struggles to get a gp appointment or a school place for his kids. now, of course, as an individual, he's entitled to his view. but to work for the bbc requires due impartiality. the incoming bbc chairman has suggested that gary's recent activities have been in breach of bbc guidelines. but gary doesn't care. just as he used to run rings around defences as a top footballer, he's now running fings top footballer, he's now running rings around his own employers . rings around his own employers. his posturing would not be an issue if he worked for itv or

sky. just as i'm allowed an opinion here. but as one of the faces of our state broadcast are funded by an effective tax on the british people and punishable by jail if not paid, gary lineker is doing untold damage to the reputation of the bbc, the mail newspaper reported that many of gary's colleagues are completely fed up with his relentless campaign . one relentless campaign. one employee speaking to the paper , employee speaking to the paper, said that gary is tweaking the tale all the time . people are tale all the time. people are frustrated and feel as if they've been through it all before . now they're saying it before. now they're saying it makes us look daft when everyone else is obeying the rules. i don't think gary lineker cares about the bbc. i think he cares about the bbc. i think he cares about gary lineker. about the bbc. i think he cares about gary lineker . and let's be about gary lineker. and let's be honest, it's been a tough couple of weeks for the beeb with the organisation handed a lower than expected rise and expected licence fee rise and with anger and disbelief with public anger and disbelief at the axing of a question of sport, a programme that used to be brilliant and watched by

millions when it hosted by millions when it was hosted by sue barker, who the organisation is obsessed with. younger viewers he thought was viewers presumed he thought was over the hill. more evidence that the organisation couldn't give two figs about the largest part of its audience. older viewers and listeners. i say bnng viewers and listeners. i say bring sue back, bring her back . bring sue back, bring her back. so lineker is damaging the bbc and the amount of damage is unwanted . fireball. how did the unwanted. fireball. how did the 300,000 jewish people living in this country who also pay the licence fee, feel when he effectively compared the horrors of the holocaust with the government's rwanda plan, he talked about 1930s germany, thus trivialise causing the worst act of murderous human cruelty in history and how did jewish people feel? just a couple of months later, when he stayed so silent on actual nazism? in the aftermath of the hamas attack on israel on october the 7th, in the end, it's my view that gary lineker was a talented

footballer and is a gifted and charismatic sports host, but he's also my view that he's a preening narcissist whose every pronouncement is . there to pronouncement is. there to perpetuate the myth that he's a wonderful human being . the wonderful human being. the brilliant journalist carole malone begs to differ and has described gary lineker as a dangerous man. that's very strong language, but she may have a point because the ideas that he's peddling would ultimately be damaging to the country . the bbc is there to country. the bbc is there to unite the nation , so its biggest unite the nation, so its biggest stars should not be dividing it. the truth is, i was always taught that you judge a person by their actions , not their by their actions, not their words. and lineker's mr nice guy image doesn't stand up to scrutiny. this is a man who sells junk food to kids. crisps are delicious, but they're not good for you, especially youngsters . he presumably would youngsters. he presumably would like the government to spend more money on public services , more money on public services, given that he's identifiable on

the political left and yet he successfully battled . hmrc in successfully battled. hmrc in court to reduce his tax bill by millions . just think how many millions. just think how many school teachers or nurses that would pay for , or how much would pay for, or how much refugee accommodation that would provide . he's picked up lgbtq+ provide. he's picked up lgbtq+ rights whilst broadcasting in qatar, where being gay is illegal. he's worried about the environment but happily fronts a football tournament in the burningly hot desert , where air burningly hot desert, where air conditioned skyscrapers guzzle the earth's resources faster than you can say net zero. whatever his worldview is, rest assured gary lineker won't be impacted as he tweets from the luxury of his london mansion. he might have the money, but the rest of britain can't afford gary's luxury opinions. gary lineker is no mastermind. in fact , this pointless celebrity fact, this pointless celebrity is now the bbc's weakest link .

is now the bbc's weakest link. your reaction mark at gb news.com. listen, gary lineker has been very outspoken about issues around migration . in this issues around migration. in this country. i understand he's taken in a couple of refugees himself and of course in regards to that hmrc battle , he successfully hmrc battle, he successfully argued that he was a freelancer, not a member of staff at the beeb. not a member of staff at the beeb . the bottom line is he may beeb. the bottom line is he may have a line of defence but i'm not buying it. what's your view mark at gb news? dot com? let's hear my top pundits hear from my top pundits tonight. former brexit party mep annunziata rees—mogg, journalist and political consultant emma burnell and former adviser to bofis burnell and former adviser to boris johnson , lord kulveer, boris johnson, lord kulveer, ranger kulveer let me start with you. do you think that gary lineker is causing untold damage to the bbc? >> i think he is. look, i have to fess up to being a gary lineker fan. when he played for my club, tottenham hotspur, every goal he scored, i cheered on. when i do watch on. but nowadays when i do watch match the day, i struggle to match of the day, i struggle to

now between the now differentiate between the presenter and all his opinions that i'm seeing floating through social media now. everyone is entitled to their opinion and i think lineker should hang think gary lineker should hang up his match of the day boots and in and really get involved in politics, become elected, do something about the things he seems to be extremely passionate about by not just firing off tweets into the ethernet , by tweets into the ethernet, by actually saying what he's going to do about it, and putting himself on the line, because at the moment feels like he's the moment it feels like he's having his cake and eating it. and think that's unfair. as and i think that's unfair. as you highlighting to the you were highlighting to the organisation that employs him and also all colleagues and also all his colleagues who have by the rules and play have to go by the rules and play fair . emma have to go by the rules and play fair. emma burnell my two key points are that his pronouncements are our problem, because he's of faces of because he's one of the faces of our state funded broadcaster . our state funded broadcaster. and also, i happen to think that he's an example of the media elite who make these pronouncements they lovely. >> but actually insulated >> but actually are insulated from consequence of what from the consequence of what they're saying . they're saying. >> gary says things that some people don't agree and people don't agree with and that's their absolute right.

gary says some things that people do agree with and that is also their absolute right. there are things on the bbc i don't like . and you know what? i'm like. and you know what? i'm happy to fund that because the point of funding the bbc is funding something that works for everybody and ultimately what we're looking at is something that has to has to work for everybody . so of course, what everybody. so of course, what gary says is not going to work for everybody, but there will be other people on the bbc who say things that are completely the antithetical to what gary is saying. >> indeed. but do you not think that, like so many in the public eye, he is very insulated from the reality of what he's saying? i mean , he seems to be quite i mean, he seems to be quite keen to have a rather sort of looser, friendlier, uh, immigration policy. well, he doesn't live near a migrant hotel , does he? doesn't live near a migrant hotel, does he? he's doesn't live near a migrant hotel , does he? he's not hotel, does he? he's not struggling to get a gp appointment place in the appointment or a place in the local school for his kid. well

all he has taken migrants into his home. >> so i think that's an unfair criticism of him. yeah yes. obviously migration is going to put pressure on local services , put pressure on local services, but it's also helping to, uh, staff local services as far more than the pressures that we're seeing to be honest, if we were to cut off all migration tomorrow, what we would see is an absolute collapse of the services we all rely on. okay. >> annunciator are we being a little hard on gary lineker tonight? >> no, not in the slightest. if anything, you're being incredibly gentle. that we are forced to pay the licence fee. as you mentioned, it can end up with you going to having a criminal record, going to prison if you don't , it's going up from if you don't, it's going up from 159 to £169. that is a huge amount of money that people are compelled to pay every year for a service . in return for that,

a service. in return for that, they are meant to have a non political, unbiased access to tv from the bbc, whilst private broadcasters can have their own views as gb news does, as sky news does it . takes 8490 anti news does it. takes 8490 anti life science fee payers to pay for gary lineker and they shouldn't be being made to pay for his own personal, very political views . political views. >> okay well has gary lineker overstepped the mark? is his position as the host of match of the day still tenable? let me know your thoughts mark@gbillionews.com, particularly keen to hear from you. if you'd like to defend old jugs you. if you'd like to defend old jugs as piers morgan likes to refer to him. listen, looking forward to our next part. we're going to really have a great debate. rishi sunak has said that we need to take a thatcherite approach tackling that we need to take a thatch

the boats? i'll be asking tonight's , the iron tonight's newsmaker, the iron lady's adviser , nigel lady's former adviser, nigel gardiner. plus tomorrow's papers on the way. see

i always think is vegans often have an optics problem , right? have an optics problem, right? >> earlier on, gb news radio . >> earlier on, gb news radio. >> earlier on, gb news radio. >> okay, well, a big reaction to my take at ten. uh, listen , my take at ten. uh, listen, let's talk about gary lineker . let's talk about gary lineker. has he overstepped the mark? is his position as the host of match of the day untenable? dear mark, i agree with your thoughts on says graham. on gary lineker, says graham. um, i reckon he wants to be a labour mp. um, interesting stuff . uh, listen, let's have a look. what else do we have? um oh, dean! what else do we have? um oh, dear. i can't see sir gary of crossville giving up £1.35 million to be an mp on atk. his mouth is currently running faster than he did in a spurs shirt, says mick. i'm having to have a quick look at these emails before . i read them out, emails before. i read them out, just in case they're a little too spicy. uh oh dear. no. well that is. it's, you know why that one is. it's, you know why it's word in it, and it's got a rude word in it, and it's got a rude word in it, and it's a family show in um

it's a family show in it. um i wouldn't pay like. sorry, i wouldn't pay a like. sorry, i don't to don't pay a license fee to listen political listen to his political views. he to football. he should stick to football. says there go. says trisha. there you go. i think trisha speaks for many. i'll of your emails i'll get to more of your emails shortly. italy, i'll get to more of your emails sho prime italy, i'll get to more of your emails sho prime minister, italy, i'll get to more of your emails sho prime minister, isunak, the prime minister, rishi sunak, has of has invoked the memory of margaret thatcher, saying that her and vision is her radicalism and vision is needed to tackle illegal immigration across europe. of course, the iron lady herself was outspoken on the issue way back in the late 1970s. take listen. >> renee rather afraid that this country might be rather swamped by people with a different culture. >> but if there's any fear that it might be swamped, people are going to react and be rather hostile to coming with hostile to those coming in with a big political parties. if we don't people to go don't want people to go to extremes i don't, we extremes and i don't, we ourselves must talk about this problem and we must show that we're prepared to deal with. >> well, there you go. what she said there very much echoes what rishi sunak has said decades later. so would margaret thatcher have stopped the boats? i'm delighted to welcome her former adviser , journalist, former adviser, journalist, broadcaster and political

commentator. nigel gardiner. nigel merry christmas to you. why do you think rishi sunak has invoked the memory of mrs. thatcher at this moment ? thatcher at this moment? >> well, it's great to be here on the show . on the show. >> thanks. thanks very much. and, uh, it's good to see, of course, rishi sunak praising, and, uh, it's good to see, of cou margaret sunak praising, and, uh, it's good to see, of cou margaret thatcher. rising, uh, margaret thatcher. >> but at the same time , um, >> but at the same time, um, rishi sunak hasn't done a lot really to emulate , uh, lady really to emulate, uh, lady thatcher and, and i think that there's a big discrepancy between what sunak is saying here and what, uh , the prime here and what, uh, the prime minister actually does . minister actually does. >> and in contrast, of course, uh, margaret thatcher was , was a uh, margaret thatcher was, was a doer who actually implemented what, uh, what she said. >> and so rishi sunak really has to example on the to follow that example on the issue of immigration. uh, of course, a huge issue for lady thatcher. i think she would have emphatically . dealt with the emphatically. dealt with the small boats a crisis. um, no doubt by deploying the royal navy to stop any, uh, small boats from arriving on british

shores . also, i think she would shores. also, i think she would have stood up to the, uh, the french prime minister of course, today that's emmanuel macron and, uh, sunak. today that's emmanuel macron and, uh, sunak . of course, has and, uh, sunak. of course, has done very little, i think, to stand up to the french. after all, the french are exporting illegal migrants across the channel uk. making channel to the uk. uh, making it a problem a a british problem instead of a french and think french problem. and i think that, uh, margaret thatcher would that. that, uh, margaret thatcher would to that. that, uh, margaret thatcher would to some that. that, uh, margaret thatcher would to some backbone. that, uh, margaret thatcher would to some backbone , i we need to see some backbone, i think, from rishi think, from, uh, from rishi sunak and the, uh, the sunak and from the, uh, the present, government on present, uh, government on multiple fronts. it's simply unacceptable that you have tens of thousands of illegal migrants crossing the channel into the uk . i think that the iron lady would have put a stop to all of that, and would have that, and she would have deployed every single, uh, resource available order to, resource available in order to, uh to the boats coming, uh, to stop the boats coming, including the deployment the including the deployment of the of navy . uh, also, including the deployment of the of navy. uh, also, i'm of the royal navy. uh, also, i'm in no doubt as well that she would have , uh, withdrawn the uk would have, uh, withdrawn the uk from , uh, from the echr, the from, uh, from the echr, the european convention, human rights. uh, i think that , um, rights. uh, i think that, um, anything that is stopping

british sovereignty and self—determination right now has to be thrown of window , to be thrown out of the window, basically. and the echr basically. and so the echr should be thrown into the dustbin of history , do you dustbin of history, do you think? the prime think? i think the prime minister follow lady minister should follow lady thatcher's . thatcher's example. >> yeah. do you think sorry to interrupt now do think interrupt you. now do you think that sunak has inner that rishi sunak has an inner thatcher, and could thatcher, though, and could stopping the boats be his falklands moment? he's still prime minister and will be for some come . some months to come. >> uh, that's a good question. i don't think that rishi sunak is, uh , is in any way on par with, uh, is in any way on par with, with margaret thatcher and uh, uh, he has not demonstrated the kind of strength and resolve of conviction that, uh, lady thatcher demonstrated over the falklands . uh, thatcher demonstrated over the falklands. uh, and, uh, we do need to see the kind of leadership today that margaret thatcher and winston churchill , thatcher and winston churchill, uh, exemplified and, and projects . and unfortunately, projects. and unfortunately, i think with, with rishi sunak, we haven't much evidence of haven't seen much evidence of that. and the british government has to secure britain's borders.

it has to ensure that we do not see illegal migrants crossing the channel. the prime minister has to stand up to the french, of course , uh, who are playing a of course, uh, who are playing a big all of this? uh, and big role in all of this? uh, and we need to a conservative we need to see a conservative prime minister acting like a real conservative. and i think we simply haven't seen that so far with rishi sunak . far with rishi sunak. >> now, nigel, the elephants in the room is legal. net migration notwithstanding the national security, economic and humanitarian disaster of those illegal crossings in the direction of 700,000 people are entering the country legally every year. what do you think an appropriate number would be? >> uh, i think those kinds of figures are almost three quarters of a million. uh in terms of legal net migration , terms of legal net migration, uh, completely unacceptable. and uh, completely unacceptable. and uh, we should be dramatically cutting the rate of legal , uh, cutting the rate of legal, uh, migration only accepting highly qualified individuals who can

actually contribute to the british economy. and you know, that figure of, uh, 750,000 or so should be cut to down less than 100,000. in my view, i think it's absolutely intolerable. that's unacceptable . well, the conservative government needs to be, uh, protecting britain's borders in terms of both legal and illegal, uh, migration coming in. >> well, you and i are on the same hymn sheet because, in my big opinion, two days ago i posited the figure of 100 k tops per year, and i completely agree with you on that. uh, briefly, if you can nail everyone wants a piece of the margaret thatcher action. even keir starmer spoke of her admiringly a couple of weeks ago. that must have had you spitting tea . you spitting out your tea. >> um, it is, of course , amusing >> um, it is, of course, amusing to see the labour prime minister praising, uh, margaret thatcher. but of course, keir starmer was a million miles away from the kind of leadership that margaret thatcher exemplified, and i do think if you have a cure , think if you have a cure, starmer and the labour party,

the socialists running great britain, it would be an absolute disaster. and and, and i think that she's starmer may praise margaret thatcher but if you look at his policies uh starmer's policies for britain would be absolutely catastrophic , i think. and i think that a labour government would pose a real threat to, uh, britain's future as a free country. uh a huge threat, of course, to brexit as well . uh, and, and brexit as well. uh, and, and i think that it the last thing britain needs is the socialists running the country into the ground. the conservatives really need to get their act together. frankly to stop the socialists coming back in. but i do think that keir starmer would be an absolutely . um, useless , that keir starmer would be an absolutely. um, useless , uh, absolutely. um, useless, uh, prime minister and i think disastrous for, uh, for great britain. never one to sit on the fence. >> my thanks to nigel gardiner. nigel, i really enjoy having you on the show. happy christmas to you and we'll see you you and yours, and we'll see you in i look forward to that. in 2024. i look forward to that. >> many thanks. merry christmas. thank you. >> the brilliant gardiner. >> the brilliant nigel gardiner. listen, important listen, it's important to

balance labour would balance this out. labour would argue that the tories have messed up the country and it's time for

devices earlier on gb news radio i >> -- >> it's 1030 >> it's1030 and >> it's 1030 and time now for >> it's1030 and time now for tomorrow's papers, jonathan. do your worst . and we start with your worst. and we start with the daily mail. why? i refuse to buy my husband and children any gifts this christmas from a rather scrooge like journalist at the mail. also minister for common sense unveils crackdown on public sector waste. this is esther mcvey, former gb news star. of course . uh esther wages star. of course. uh esther wages war on woke the new minister for common sense tomorrow declares war on the waste and wokery that's plaguing the public sector . in her first major sector. in her first major intervention since being appointed by rishi sunak , mcvey appointed by rishi sunak, mcvey reveals that she's launching investigations into poor use of taxpayers money. writing exclusively in the daily mail ,

exclusively in the daily mail, she vows a crusade against pubuc she vows a crusade against public cash being wasted on the likes of equality consultants, while families are being forced to tighten their belts , and she to tighten their belts, and she pledges to back civil servants so they can get on with their jobs deliver results. jobs and deliver results. instead hand—wringing and instead of hand—wringing and constantly making constantly worrying about making mistakes, i'll give you more intel on that story shortly . but intel on that story shortly. but listen, let me tell you some of the statistics in that article are quite shocking . also, night are quite shocking. also, night that gave ellie a lot to smile about. the winner of strictly this year. congratulations to her. okay, next up we'll go to the express is, uh, michelle mone . does a prince andrew in mone. does a prince andrew in car crash interview stone the crows hard living. keith hits 80. miracles do happen . miracle 80. miracles do happen. miracle at christmas and britain will smash the boat . at christmas and britain will smash the boat. gangs is the other headline. britain will destroy the business model of evil small boat gangs. destroy the business model of evil small boat gangs . grant evil small boat gangs. grant shapps has declared the defence secretary believes the uk and allies can defeat human traffickers and stand strong against enemy states , using mass

against enemy states, using mass migration of warfare. migration as a form of warfare. he russia of employing he accused russia of employing the tactic to destabilise western democracies , and said western democracies, and said the uk can lead an international conversation on reforming global asylum rules . the eye newspaper asylum rules. the eye newspaper i lied about covid deal but have done nothing wrong, says baroness michelle mone . mone baroness michelle mone. mone admits to media to over links sorry, mona admits to lying to media over links to firm in ppe deals scandal. that's in the guardian newspaper. gunners fire arsenal back to top as united hold liverpool. bad news there for spurs fans. lord kulveer, ranger and little old me cruel family visa rules to face court challenge and drug to halt menopausal flushes approved in the uk. metal no, i lied, but it's not a crime , says michelle it's not a crime, says michelle mone about the ppe contracts. the sun newspaper exclusive cops swoop farage shock at drugs

raid. uh, there you go. a fascinating story there. um, knight farage has told of his shock after the parents of his daughter's long time boyfriend were arrested in a drugs raid . were arrested in a drugs raid. ed and nigel, let me tell you, let me. stress is not implicated in anything . how about the daily in anything. how about the daily star ? now leave mom and dad star? now leave mom and dad alone . kids. give them a lie in alone. kids. give them a lie in all i want for christmas is snooze . sleep is good for your snooze. sleep is good for your elf. it turns out you snooze , elf. it turns out you snooze, you win. those lovely boffins say lions are good for you. so kids, we need to let the grown ups have a bit of 2's on christmas day. but not santa. who will of course, be busy delivering presents . those are delivering presents. those are your front pages . we had father your front pages. we had father christmas in the studio . so christmas in the studio. so exciting. when he came in, people were asking for selfies. he doing autographs , but he he was doing autographs, but he had to go because he's got presents to deliver. okay listen love this story . annunciator in love this story. annunciator in the mail. esther mcvey wages a

war on woke, which not only makes life miserable and joyless and complicated , but it's and complicated, but it's costing the taxpayers millions . costing the taxpayers millions. >> it costs an absolute fortune . >> it costs an absolute fortune. and the figures recently came out on the total costs in various councils, various police forces and national government departments . and if you add it departments. and if you add it all together, it is a massive drain on the economy that's giving very little in the way of clear evidence that it's doing any good. and i am delighted someone is tackling this head on from the government and being explicit about it. i only hope that , given the lethargy of the that, given the lethargy of the blob that she can actually get something done, but good luck. esther. >> one damning statistic is that less than 50% of the nhs £160 billion budget goes towards the care of patients . so which is care of patients. so which is damning, isn't it? and you know, it is those bureaucratic roles and perhaps some of the sort of pc appointments like diversity

officers in the nhs, which is the most diverse employer in the world. >> it's also one of the largest and the problem is it does extremely well on its international scale for diversity and inclusion. but not so well on patient outcomes such as death . as death. >> emma, what do you think outbreak of common sense? >> i mean , i think common sense >> i mean, i think common sense is important, but it's also important that common sense really is common sense rather than just one ideology fighting another . um, than just one ideology fighting another. um, there are issues within the nhs because the nhs is very large. do you think there's waste ? there's probably there's waste? there's probably is waste , but there's also an is waste, but there's also an awful lot of discrimination that will happen in any large environment . and we need to be environment. and we need to be conscious that we are employing people to be the best they can be. so let's make them the best they can be, and let's stop them from having weird and unnecessary discrimination

against them when they're trying to do their job. but don't we have laws that achieve that already? >> why do the nhs need diversity officers? sometimes on six figure salaries? well well, because, uh , and there are because, uh, and there are i wish we didn't have to have this i >>i -- >> i wish we lived in a world where those laws just changed society. but ultimately laws changing laws doesn't change society. and we do have people who are um, uh um , unexpectedly who are um, uh um, unexpectedly and unknown , scarily and unknown, scarily discriminating against other people for bizarre reasons and unnecessary . reasons. and unnecessary. reasons. and ultimately, our nhs is largely staffed by people who are migrants . so when they're living migrants. so when they're living in a country where our entire conversation is about how immigration is bad , uh, i don't immigration is bad, uh, i don't think anyone's saying immigration is bad. >> i think people are saying 700 k a year is unsustainable , and k a year is unsustainable, and that the illegal crossings shouldn't be happening, but

that's the conversation. >> know, if you are at the >> you know, if you are at the very, very sharp end of that conversation, what you're heanng conversation, what you're hearing is you're not welcome . hearing is you're not welcome. whilst you are also helping several people a day get through their lives, get through their their lives, get through their their , their their treatments, their, their their treatments, get through their getting better . and that's not okay. >> covid. >> covid. >> yeah, i'd probably move away from the nhs because i've spent most of my career over the last 25 years in private industry and yes, in private industry, as well. corporates have changed. they've looked at diversity, inclusion , uh, equality across inclusion, uh, equality across the agenda. and it's been important. there's been some significant progress . but these significant progress. but these are commercial organisations who have to justify every pound pence they're spending on these activities . compared to core activities. compared to core activities. compared to core activities that that business or industry should be delivering . industry should be delivering. so private sector and so i think private sector and the public sector can learn something maybe from the private sector how there's less sector about how there's less wokery in the private sector, wokery in in the private sector, i still there, but but i would say still there, but but yes, there but also got

yes, there is. but it's also got to prioritised a to be prioritised in a way that's effective, whether that's cost effective, whether it's shareholder or the it's the shareholder or the employees or whether it's the taxpayer who's funding the activity and value for money should be there as much as a change as we're wanting to see, we know that estimate is a real talent and we miss her here at gb news actually, her gb news actually, and her brilliant philip. gb news actually, and her brillian'this philip. gb news actually, and her brillian'this important role >> but this is an important role in government isn't it's in government, isn't it? it's something crying something the public are crying out for, which is a bit of common sense and, and the dilution of this role rather, uh, you know, cloying political correctness that's infiltrated our public institutions. well, well, i wish her good luck because, you know, it's one hell of challenge for she's of a challenge for she's a formidable woman. >> know her and we love her, >> we know her and we love her, but it's a huge challenge across whitehall, across government departments. these are quite entrenched, organised sessions. and the cabinet office where entrenched, organised sessions. and is, the cabinet office where entrenched, organised sessions. and is, the cabinet office hasare entrenched, organised sessions. and is, the cabinet office has az she is, the cabinet office has a has responsibility to look has a responsibility to look across government. but it does struggle change. and struggle to deliver change. and i think this is quite a big job for her to do. so i wish her all the in to make a the best in trying to make a dent one. emma, i think dent in this one. emma, i think we really, really , uh,

we need to really, really, uh, get a sense of what we mean by common because common common sense because common sense is something we should all know. >> left, right , know. >> left, right, you know. >> left, right , you know, be >> left, right, you know, be able to agree on. could we start with the nhs calling women, expecting a baby? >> mothers . >> mothers. >> mothers. >> well, yes, i would obviously could we say that females. i know you're trying to trip me up, i am a actually share up, but i am a actually share that view, right. share that view, right. i do share that view, right. i do share that but let's be that view. but let's let's be honest. let's be honest and say that common sense is something that common sense is something that we could all agree on. so let's not fight over it so much. and i think appointing a minister for common sense to make a fight actually makes us. >> is this politically motivated? is this just a stunt from the prime minister this appointment? >> i think in one way, emma is right. we shouldn't need to have a minister for common sense. the problem we do need to have problem is we do need to have a minister for common sense, because like the because it seems like the madhouse been over by madhouse has been taken over by the most definitely . right. will >> most definitely. right. will you getting a lion on you be getting a lion on christmas morning? this is the daily star and on theatre leave. mom kids.

mom and dad alone, kids. give them turns out them a lie and it turns out hons them a lie and it turns out lions are really good for your health. and i think we all need one on the 25th. what's going to happen well , one on the 25th. what's going to happen well, i'll happen for you? um, well, i'll similarly to covid. >> we were discussing earlier, we both have a three year old and a five year i think and a five year old, and i think it be a very limited lion it might be a very limited lion to before the of dawn. to you before the crack of dawn. this points emma gloating this points emma is gloating because at the moment, children, i don't have children, but i do have cat , uh, i don't have children, but i do have cat, uh, and cat who have a cat, uh, and a cat who very works the sun. very much works with the sun. >> so as soon as sun up his mom up the newspaper. no, very much not, uh, as soon as there's light , uh, the cat will be light, uh, the cat will be waking me up to give her her biscuits . biscuits. >> i think the extra early crack of dawn , you know, attack for of dawn, you know, attack for the our kids are the presents that our kids are going give that going to have might give us that extra hour on boxing day . extra half hour on boxing day. if they'll be if we're lucky, they'll be exhausted . exhausted. >> if. yeah. >> if. yeah. >> uh, listen, i know you're all way off this, uh, issue for many years to come, but drug to halt menopause approved menopause or flushes approved in the . this is good news. isn't the uk. this is good news. isn't it? a non—starter? because this issue, the menopause, it's a

sort not spoken about sort of not spoken about condition that every woman experiences. and we should talk about it more and there should be more treatment . be more treatment. >> um, it seems at the moment it's talked about, but it's hugely talked about, but normally negative normally in quite a negative way and normally with shortages. but i think much more worrying is the inequality of outcome for health care for women , and that health care for women, and that if this is going to support women's equality in health care, that'd be great. >> i know it's a subject i probably shouldn't come in on, but menopause? no , on probably shouldn't come in on, but menopause.)ause? no , on the menopause. >> look pasty today. >> you look a bit pasty today. >> you look a bit pasty today. >> i'm getting a bit >> yeah, well, i'm getting a bit hot in here now because arsenal won yesterday yes, i think won yesterday. yes, but i think it talked think it is being talked about i think that but think what that evening. but i think what it is, what is okay. what it is, what isn't is okay. what do about this. more do we do about this. the more investigation the more research into it. because from my mother to know, friends to some of, you know, friends and we've had. yeah, and family that we've had. yeah, there mystery there still is this mystery about deal and about how you deal with it and the varying different degrees of advice and treatments that there are. there's a lot of are. so i think there's a lot of research needs research that probably needs to be talking more be done. we are talking more about which we do. about it, which we do. >> take the point. talk >> i do take the point. we talk about think that about it. but i also think that there's bit of a taboo

there's still a bit of a taboo for some women to mention it, that just to that they're expected just to sort it's sort of get on with it. it's essentially flu for essentially like having flu for 20 minutes and you go through all stages flu 20 minutes. >> it's horrendous. yeah. and very hard. and let's say you're supposed to go onto a zoom meeting within that 20 minutes. uh, what are you going to do. which which outfit are you wearing. because at one point you're desperate , sally. peeling you're desperate, sally. peeling your clothes off. and another point you're desperately piling them on. yeah, it's very , very them on. yeah, it's very, very hard to go through those flushes . and frankly, anything that stops that is very welcome . stops that is very welcome. >> uh, listen, maria, shall we give away some money? let's do it. how would you like to win £10,000 in cash? brand new tech . £10,000 in cash? brand new tech. and shopping vouchers. well, you could be the winner of our very first great british giveaway. here's all the details of how you could make those yours >> this is your mm- >> this is your chance to win cash, treats and tech in our very first great british

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good luck. >> the big breakfast okay well listen coming up more of tomorrow's newspaper front pages live reaction in the studio from my top pundits. >> plus they'll be nominating their headline heroes and back page day. plus page zeroes of the day. plus we've been conducting an exclusive dolan tonight. exclusive mark dolan tonight. people's poll. the last one of 2023. would margaret thatcher have stopped the boats? the results are in. i shall reveal all .

next. >> pmqs now we've conducted an exclusive mark dolan tonight people's poll. >> we've been asking, would margaret thatcher have stopped the boats? the results are in and 92.8% say yes, while 7.2% say no and emma burnell thinks it's nonsense because poor old mrs. thatcher is not really around to prove it, is she? >> no. >> no. >> and i mean not like i'm a great fan of rishi sunak. i can

think he's doing a brilliant job, but i think it's unfair to compare to a dead person on compare him to a dead person on to whom you can predict anything you want to. >> there you go. >> there you go. >> well that's right, she has become quite a mythical figure. perhaps of perhaps the princess diana of politics. let's get the politics. let's get to the papers now. daily papers now. and the daily telegraph with israel risks telegraph lead with israel risks breaking the law with its killing rate surge, says ben wallace, former defence secretary. damning words there from a respected figure in parliament inside the tunnels of hamas . gaza metro and operations hamas. gaza metro and operations and scans at the weekend under labour plan for a 24 seven nhs. well, sounds like a good policy to me. well done labour. the times now for schools not obuged times now for schools not obliged to let children change their gender identity. and 3000 ward admissions a day, linked to obesity. when are we going to tackle this crisis? how about this story briefly , customers this story briefly, customers sued for leaving negative reviews . members of the public reviews. members of the public are being pursued through the courts, accused of defamation and harassment posted

and harassment after they posted negative about negative reviews about a cosmetic surgery clinic . online. cosmetic surgery clinic. online. mirror at christmas sick killing trade reindeer horror brit firm is offering trips to slaughter for these beautiful animals. absolutely disgraceful. okay folks , those are your front folks, those are your front pages. we've got with me reacting to the big stories of the day, former brexit party mep annunziata rees—mogg, journalist and consultant emma and political consultant emma burnell and conservative peer and adviser to boris and former adviser to boris johnson, . and it's johnson, lord rodger. and it's time now for their headline heroes and back page zeros of the day. who's caught your the day. so who's caught your eye? your hero today? and eye? who's your hero today? and on theatre , it's a slightly on theatre, it's a slightly controversial one. >> not that i'm too shy of causing saying the odd controversial . thing. controversial. thing. >> i think you're a thinking man's shock jock . i'll be honest i >> -- >> for the next book, i think dropping those truth bombs are plenty. >> so i'm going to go for nick fletcher. um, the mp for don valley, who said that doncaster is full and it would appear that

that his local electors agree with him. and i think we've got to have politicians who will say it as they hear it from their constituents . yes, it's the constituents. yes, it's the british people and how they feel about our country that matters. and we should have politicians who listen to them and represent them. and he was doing that. >> emma burnell who are we to tell the british public that britain full? britain isn't full? >> tellers ? maybe. >> um, truth tellers? maybe. i just saying . i mean, do we do we just saying. i mean, do we do we gaslight the people of doncaster who may be struggling to see a doctor navigate . traffic or get doctor navigate. traffic or get a roof over their heads? >> there are all of those things are true in doncaster. >> they are not true as a result of migration. doncaster is still significantly , um, uh, under significantly, um, uh, under filled with migration in its statistics . statistics. >> it's aligned very, very closely to the rest of the country and i think if you talk to most of the british people, they'll agree with you that the

country is pretty much full. and whether or illegal whether it is legal or illegal immigration, control immigration, we need to control how this how many people are in this country the net migration of country and the net migration of 700,000 illegal. we 700,000 plus the illegal. we can't deal with it. >> i think i'll just add i'm sceptical around the full conversation . what i'm worried conversation. what i'm worried aboutis conversation. what i'm worried about is are we able to service the people of our company with the people of our company with the public services that we're looking for? i think then then we get to a question of, well, how many people do have? what we get to a question of, well, howourny people do have? what we get to a question of, well, howour public ole do have? what we get to a question of, well, howour public services have? what we get to a question of, well, howour public services deliver?nhat can our public services deliver? why winter nhs why is it every winter the nhs is collapsing? are our public transport services working properly, etc? >> are our schools are communities hmos communities full of hmos actually functioning as communities , or are they turning communities, or are they turning into ghettos? >> and that is a real worry for me. >> and that is a real worry for me and don't wish to >> and you don't wish to gaslight people concerned gaslight those people concerned about these issues? gaslight those people concerned aboabsolutely sues? we gaslight those people concerned aboabsolutelysues? we can't >> absolutely not. but we can't back local , um, uh, budgets back on local, um, uh, budgets by 40, 14 years ago during by 40,14 years ago during austerity , uh, during the austerity, uh, during the austerity, uh, during the austerity years . and of course , austerity years. and of course, councils don't have the same ability to service their local communities that they used to

have. okay well, look, fair points all around the truth is, somewhere in the middle, think. >> emma, the clocks against us, your your your hero today, your headune your your your hero today, your headline hero . headline hero. >> so as most people who've ever watched me on gb news will know, i'm a big royal person . but i'm not a big royal person. but i'm not a big royal person. but i say fair play to i have to say fair play to prince harry for pushing through everything , pushing through everything, pushing through absolutely . all the, um , absolutely. all the, um, excrement that has been thrown at him and getting to a, a situation where he has won hands down his court case, which has said that people have absolutely been vilifying him unfairly and culver agrees, because i do a handshake, i fully agree, i fully agree, prince harry, because actually, in fact, the story focusing on story i know is focusing on prince harry. story i know is focusing on prirbut-iarry. story i know is focusing on prirbut the y. story i know is focusing on prirbut the issue is it is >> but the issue here is it is about the press. and yes, we should. we have freedom of press. we have a great press in this country. but every now and again it needs to have its wings clipped. this was the right

clipped. and this was the right thing got a few thing to do. well, he got a few seconds the last mark seconds left of the last mark dolan the year. seconds left of the last mark dolbriefly, the year. seconds left of the last mark dolbriefly, yourhe year. seconds left of the last mark dolbriefly, your back ar. zero >> briefly, your back page zero if can. if you can. >> is hunter biden that >> it is hunter biden that american politics was disreputable . disreputable enough. >> it's going even further down the gutter. >> his misdemeanours kept quiet by the media at the request of the democratic party. all very dodgy, all very dodgy. okay emma, briefly a couple of seconds. your back page zero. >> michelle mone, she's >> uh, michelle mone, she's stole our money. uh, i'd like it back case to answer ppe back case to answer for ppe briefly . briefly. >> your biggest sport in the world football . and when world is football. and when an owner turkey owner of a club in turkey punches that . is not punches a referee, that. is not on, and it sets a really bad tone. faruk coker, who was the owner of a turkish club that assaulted this referee, hit him in the face, you know, and that that just where are we going with sport? we need to have people who are figureheads. they are young our are are young kids. our kids are watching this. you can't have that behaviour , can on that kind of behaviour, can i on this show? >> not having it. not on >> no way. not having it. not on my brilliant cover , my watch. the brilliant cover, my watch. the brilliant cover, my and of theatre my thanks to emma and of theatre as done to maria and as well. well done to maria and jonathan and qala for

jonathan and musa qala for working today to all of working so hard today to all of my throughout year. working so hard today to all of my most throughout year. working so hard today to all of my most importantly year. working so hard today to all of my most importantly to year. working so hard today to all of my most importantly to your. working so hard today to all of my most importantly to you for but most importantly to you for watching listening. see watching and listening. i'll see you in 24. next up it's headliners. christmas . headliners. merry christmas. >> warm feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. good evening. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . provided by the met office. there is plenty of weather to keep occupied over the course there is plenty of weather to ke this occupied over the course there is plenty of weather to ke this coming ed over the course there is plenty of weather to ke this coming week, r the course there is plenty of weather to ke this coming week, ands course there is plenty of weather to ke this coming week, and that rse of this coming week, and that starts sunday starts off even on sunday evening night, starts off even on sunday evening night , this band evening and night, this band of rain spreading across rain spreading its way across parts ireland, parts of northern ireland, northern , southwest northern england, southwest scotland, even parts of scotland, even into parts of wales southeastern wales as well. the southeastern areas england will hold on to areas of england will hold on to areas of england will hold on to a spells , and also a few clearer spells, and also in northwest scotland, in the northwest of scotland, will clear spells will see some clear spells overnight that will allow temperatures to drop off down into figures into mid single figures also. but are but where you are stuck underneath all that cloud and rain another mild night, rain will be another mild night, not seeing much lower than 10 to 12 c. that rain will slowly push its southwards as we head its way southwards as we head throughout the day, so there will some early brightness in will be some early brightness in the southeast, the the southeast, but the cloud

will way the southeast, but the cloud wi here way the southeast, but the cloud wi here and way the southeast, but the cloud wi here and into way the southeast, but the cloud wi here and into the way the southeast, but the cloud wi here and into the afternoon. in here and into the afternoon. it's parts it's going to be parts of northern ireland into central areas of scotland that start to see and areas of scotland that start to see winds and areas of scotland that start to see winds will and areas of scotland that start to see winds will also and areas of scotland that start to see winds will also be and areas of scotland that start to see winds will also be easing nd the winds will also be easing out in the north, but still quite blustery for and quite blustery for england and wales generally, wales once again. generally, temperatures wales once again. generally, temperatureyear between 10 and the time of year between 10 and 13 c on tuesday. our the time of year between 10 and 13 c on tuesday . our attention 13 c on tuesday. our attention to this next area of frontal systems that are going to push their way in from the southwest, so it's looking like wales and england going to bear england that are going to bear the the rainfall the brunt of the rainfall on tuesday very rush tuesday could be a very wet rush hour period. thing on the hour period. first thing on the day. spray on the roads day. lots of spray on the roads when travelling. when you are travelling. that will clear way will eventually clear its way off you'll see off and behind that you'll see those spells pushing in those sunny spells pushing in from but also from the northwest, but also with some scattered showers. they could wintry over the they could be wintry over the higher of scotland. higher ground areas of scotland. it's of sunshine and it's that theme of sunshine and showers continue showers that will continue into the the week, the second half of the week, with still with some strong winds still around well . but by. around at times as well. but by. >> looks like things are heating up. box spoilers, sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> good evening with gb news. the top story tonight michael gove is facing calls to appear before mps to answer questions over ppe firm medpro after baroness mone admitted that she'd failed to declare that her husband's company would benefit to the tune of £60 million, the cabinet minister, who is chancellor of the duchy of lancaster during the pandemic, was named by the baroness in her first television interview since the scandal emerged. med probe is currently being investigated by the national crime agency, while the department of health is taking action over a breach of contract. michelle mone conceded to the bbc that she'd made an error by not revealing her links to the company, but then insisted that misleading then insisted that misleading the media was not a crime . the media was not a crime. meanwhile, the deputy prime minister says the government has

robust plans in place