by. >> good morning. it's 930 on monday the 18th of december. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and ellie costello . ellie costello. >> pandemic profiteering baroness michelle mone admitted that she failed to reveal her links to a company that supplied ppe to the nhs during the pandemic , and she's set to pandemic, and she's set to receive £60 million as it's the only area that i have made is c to the press that i wasn't involved and i don't honestly see there's a case to answer . see there's a case to answer. >> um, i can't see what we've

done wrong . really done wrong. really >> we can't you.7 we'll done wrong. really >> we can't you? we'll tell you the rwanda roadblock. airlines and the latest now causing problems . they're refusing to problems. they're refusing to sign contracts to take part in the asylum policy because they think it could cause some reputational damage. our political editor, christopher hope, has more . hope, has more. >> if airlines won't take migrants to rwanda, how will they get there? a new problem for sunak rwanda plan more soon star miss prescription. >> the labour leader , sir keir >> the labour leader, sir keir starmer, has challenged the prime minister to put politics aside and put patients before non—doms to save the health service and war on woke estimates . estimates. >> the minister for common sense declares war on waste and wokery. that, she says, is plaguing the public sector. >> xl bully deadline there are less than two weeks now until rishi sunak's ban comes into force. breeding selling and rehoming them will become

illegal in england , wales illegal in england, wales. well, this show is nothing without you. we do love to hear from you, don't we? vaiews@gbnews.com or any of the stories that we're talking about today. but first let's get the news headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> ellie, thank you very much. and good morning. this is the latest from the gb news room £i.5 latest from the gb news room £1.5 billion of funding is being put into government grant schemes to help keep households warm. it's part of the £6 billion package for energy efficiency measures that were announced in last year's autumn statement . it's after the statement. it's after the success of the £7,500 uplift to heat pump grants . the funding heat pump grants. the funding covers a three year period from 2025 to 2028. a new £400 million

energy efficiency grant will also go to households to fund bigger radiators and better insulation . two people were insulation. two people were taken to hospital after a gas explosion at a home in blackburn. police were called to alerts of an incident at 8:00 last night. video footage showed the walls and the roof of a house crumbling around a passer by. he was taken to hospital with minor injuries, along with a second man who also suffered minor injuries. lancashire police say nearby homes had been evacuated and they've urged people to avoid the area while investigations continue . owners investigations continue. owners of xl bully dogs have two weeks to make sure their pets are legal from december. the 31st. they must be muzzled in public and it will be illegal to breed, sell or abandon them. in england and wales, owners have also been told they can ask a vet to put their pets down and claim compensation when the full ban on the breed comes into force. on february the 1st next year.

but owners can apply for an exemption to keep their dogs and the festive getaway begins today , with 21 million uk car journeys expected to be made between now and christmas eve. the rac says just over 2 million trips will be made on thursday , trips will be made on thursday, and just over 3 million on friday. around 13.5 million car journeys are expected between friday and december 24th. that's up 20% from the same time last year during the weekend before christmas. between midday and 2 pm. is expected to be the busiest time to travel on the roads, with drivers being warned to travel before or after peak times to avoid gridlock. traffic you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gb news. com now back to andrew and . ellie and. ellie >> well , it and. ellie >> well, it was a car crash interview. frankly, baroness . interview. frankly, baroness. michelle mone admitted she lied

over her involvement in ppe deals worth millions during the pandemic. yes >> company medpro was >> the company medpro was awarded contracts awarded government contracts worth than £200 million to worth more than £200 million to supply personal protective equipment or ppe , after she equipment or ppe, after she recommended it to the government. >> speaking on bbc sunday with laura kuenssberg programme , she laura kuenssberg programme, she admitted she's a beneficiary of her husband doug bowerman's financial trust, which holds 60 million of profit from the deal and by the way, the ppe was defective as well. so let's take a listen to what she had to say. >> michelle, it does feel like the truth has had to be dragged out here. >> not really. laura because the only thing i'd say to you is the only thing i'd say to you is the only error that i have made is , only error that i have made is, is say to the press that i wasn't involved. i don't . wasn't involved. i don't. honestly see there's a case to answer. um i can't see what we've done wrong . we've done wrong. >> andrew, what do you make of that? >> um. she thinks it's okay to lie to the press when the press ask questions of people in

pubuc ask questions of people in public life, they're asking it on behalf of people watching programmes like this, reading newspapers, listening to the radio and does have a case radio and she does have a case to answer because she lied and lied lied for nearly three lied and lied for nearly three years about the extent of her financial she's financial involvement. she's saying husband's saying it's my husband's company. pull the other company. come on, pull the other one, love. and it's a trust in the isle of which benefits the isle of man. which benefits of course it is, because that's very tax effective. she did not tell the truth. in the of tell the truth. in the house of lords, every member of the house of lords has to declare their financial it's not as financial interest. it's not as transparent ought to be, transparent as it ought to be, but nothing her excuse but nothing there. her excuse for everybody knew, for that? well, everybody knew, didn't we didn't. for that? well, everybody knew, did well, we didn't. for that? well, everybody knew, did well, i we didn't. for that? well, everybody knew, did well, i finishede didn't. for that? well, everybody knew, did well, i finished watching >> well, i finished watching that interview and actually that interview and i actually had than answers, had more questions than answers, including who is advising her and her to say and who is advising her to say the line that went along the line that she went along with, which was the only thing i've with, which was the only thing pve done with, which was the only thing i've done wrong, is lie to i've ever done wrong, is lie to the as you say, andrew, the press, as you say, andrew, if you lied to the press, you're actually people. actually lying to the people. >> was the press that >> and it was the press that exposed this scandal in the >> and it was the press that expoplace. s scandal in the >> and it was the press that expoplace. i'll:andal in the >> and it was the press that expoplace. i'll tellal in the >> and it was the press that expoplace. i'll tell you the >> and it was the press that expoplace. i'll tell you who first place. i'll tell you who i think was advising her. whoever advised andrew to do that advised prince andrew to do that car crash interview emily car crash interview with emily maitlis million he

maitlis over the £12 million he gave a girlie parent he's gave to a girlie parent he's never met the worst never met well, the worst similarities being to that similarities being drawn to that interview the weekend. interview over the weekend. >> us in the >> well, joining us in the studio is deputy editor of studio now is deputy editor of conservative home, henry hill. very to see you this very good to see you this morning. did you make morning. and what did you make of interview ? of this interview? >> i mean, it's absolutely baffling , isn't it? if baffling, isn't it? because if you if you genuinely thought you'd done nothing wrong , you you'd done nothing wrong, you wouldn't lied to press wouldn't have lied to the press about several years. about it for several years. right? one of those right? it's one of those unsolvable pr that you unsolvable pr problems that you cannot explain why, if you genuinely thought were genuinely thought you were innocent, you behaved way innocent, you behaved the way you right? and that's you did. right? and that's notwithstanding of you did. right? and that's notiofhstanding of you did. right? and that's notiof the nding of you did. right? and that's notiof the of ng of you did. right? and that's notiof the of ng material of you did. right? and that's notiof the of ng material or>f the of the of the material or anything else. just anything else. it's just baffling . as say, it baffling. and as you say, it wasn't just lying to the press , wasn't just lying to the press, it was also her house of lords. yeah. uh, register interests . yeah. uh, register of interests. now, of now, as every member of parliament has to declare their financial interests so that we, the public, can know whether their profiting from their office. now, as you say, it's not a perfect system, but people have been caught out by it and it is generally pretty good. and the actually, if the irony is that actually, if you honest about things, the you are honest about things, the

british public often british public are often very tolerant of this. there tolerant of this. right? there are lots rich members are lots of very rich members of the and the house the house of lords and the house of commons, and no one really minds, because if they're doing theirjob properly. but if you're something you're doing something like this, it's going to it's guaranteed to cause outrage. >> is this going to cause any difficulties for michael gove? because we now know michael gove, cabinet he was gove, the cabinet office, he was part of the quad four ministers in volved the big in volved in all the big decisions the pandemic, decisions during the pandemic, she the track she used the fast track available parliamentarians to available to parliamentarians to contact got phone contact him. she's got his phone number why don't number to say, look, why don't you to this you approach to use this company? uh for ppe? and he then put them in with this put them in touch with this company, the civil company, in touch with the civil service the civil service did the, um appointed the company? gove had nothing to do with the appointment of baroness moen's company. but labour has obviously trying to cause problems for gove. i don't really think all that much can be pinned on go. >> do you think about where we were during the pandemic? absolute panic. the public rightly the government rightly expected the government to it could get to do everything it could to get hold of ppe, and the civil service were the ones were service were the ones who were supposed due diligence

supposed to do the due diligence right. michael right. all that michael gove appears is said, appears to have done is said, i've heard about this company. look into it. think a fair look into it. i think on a fair minded analysis, that's not michael gove's fault. the question the due question is, was the due diligence? why the due diligence? why wasn't the due diligence? why wasn't the due diligence if diligence done? you know, if this turned to be a very this turned out to be a very expensive way buying expensive way of buying defective that happen? >> yeah, the timing of is >> yeah, the timing of this is very interesting, it, very interesting, isn't it, henry? i as say, the henry? i mean, as you say, the truth been told for truth hasn't been been told for three why now? and why in three years. why now? and why in this manner? it's been, as this manner? well it's been, as you say, dragged the you say, dragged out by the press, it, the way that press, hasn't it, the way that these always do also, the these things always do also, the covid inquiry has made sure that all of this is back, front and centre again. >> think they might have >> i think maybe they might have thought it thought maybe we've ridden it out like we're so past out right, like we're so past the pandemic everything is unlocked. the pandemic everything is unloc seeing in the covid we're seeing in the covid inquiry is really digging down into of how all into the details of how all of these made the these decisions were made in the pandemic buying ppe and pandemic about buying ppe and all of it, and that has all the rest of it, and that has renewed press interest, which means we do still care about this, care about this, because people care about this, because people care about this well, don't they? this as well, don't they? >> people are so angry >> i mean, people are so angry at of the money and at the wastage of the money and the corruption that seen the corruption that was seen dunng the corruption that was seen during that time. absolutely.

the corruption that was seen durand hat time. absolutely. the corruption that was seen durand also, me. absolutely. the corruption that was seen durand also, ifs. absolutely. the corruption that was seen durand also, if yoursolutely. the corruption that was seen durand also, if you thinkely. the corruption that was seen durand also, if you think about >> and also, if you think about it, this ppe it, the fact that this ppe turned out to be defective, potentially lives put potentially that's lives put on the line. right, right. the line. right, right, right. at when the nhs was at the time when the nhs was right up against it and we needed we could, needed everything we could, every on defective every pound spent on defective ppe defective that ppe was also defective ppe that potentially went to the front line people down. line and let people down. >> henry, stay us. um >> yeah. henry, stay with us. um some airlines now the latest blow to the government's beleaguered blow to the government's beleagl saying won't they're saying they won't sign contracts take part in the contracts to take part in the asylum policy because fear asylum policy because they fear it could damage their reputation. chris hope is our political editor got the political editor who's got the latest? um every day, latest? chris? um every day, rishi opens his eyes in rishi sunak opens his eyes in the morning. another problem on rwanda . rwanda. >> yeah , i mean, this one could be. >> is less of a serious be.— >> is less of a serious one. i think the government has its own plane. it's got a royal air force. it has all sorts of chartered planes that take ministers, the prime minister elsewhere. i've been on the on the planes for gb news off to cop and the g20, but it shows cop 28 and the g20, but it shows that there's concern about these commercial airlines taking individuals who arrive here legally by small boat back to

rwanda, back to kigali. i i think in the old days, certainly british airways used to fly there, whether they're one of there, whether they're one of the airlines, we don't know. but certainly airlines appear to be saying there's there could be some reputational damage if we take this and this may take part in this and this may calm down. if this scheme gets up and running, it becomes part of the routine of whitehall and how these planes, it's not a big issue.i how these planes, it's not a big issue. i think initially one can imagine them chartering planes and taking them off that way. there'll be lots of opposition people trying to block the runways if they ever get that people trying to block the runibut. if they ever get that people trying to block the runibut i'm hey ever get that people trying to block the runibut i'm sure ever get that people trying to block the runibut i'm sure asr get that people trying to block the runibut i'm sure as it|et that people trying to block the runibut i'm sure as it goesat people trying to block the runibut i'm sure as it goes on, far. but i'm sure as it goes on, the issue of reputational issue will down and not be a big will slow down and not be a big issue. but right now, yes, there are airlines volunteering to are no airlines volunteering to take to take people arriving here to rwanda, that that will rwanda, but that that will change eventually, i imagine. but another problem, another headache. andrew and ellie, that the doesn't need . the government doesn't need. >> mean, you talk >> absolutely. i mean, you talk there chartering planes, there about chartering planes, but there's also some reports this military this morning that military defence or the raf may need to get involved in order to get people these flights and

people on these flights and actually off actually get them off the ground, to the ever ground, which adds to the ever increasing cost . then increasing cost. and then there's also of security there's also talk of security and level securing , because and high level securing, because there will be we can expect a number of protesters when these flights do eventually take off. >> the. >> the. >> that's right. but we do see in polling don't we? and gb news covers this issue extensively. the importance of getting someone to getting these flights off . and the off the ground. and i think the pm is seeing that he was at the weekend in a conference with george the italian george and melanie, the italian prime, here, and he said there there's about migration there's concerns about migration overwhelming parts of europe overwhelming parts of the europe and how enemies could could use the surge in illegal migration in to undermine democracies , um, in to undermine democracies, um, uk and others. so there is a concern that people are arriving here. they're not being vetted. no one knows who they are. and the pm talking quite making the pm was talking quite making talking quite big language . um, talking quite big language. um, in over the weekend in italy, i should say, we don't know . there should say, we don't know. there are no airlines saying they're concerned about this, the concerned about this, by the way. don't know if this way. we don't know if this

british airways whoever, british airways or whoever, whoever but there whoever it might be, but there will there will concern the will be there will concern the home office has got is that no one now is volunteering to one right now is volunteering to fly and it's another fly them there. and it's another problem. chris. problem. he's got chris. >> some the prime >> he's had some flak, the prime minister, using the word minister, for using the word overwhelm, saying parts of europe, migrant problem. europe, the migrant problem. he's stating he's just merely stating the obvious, there's huge obvious, isn't he? there's huge problems in particular. problems in italy in particular. well that kind of language, andrew, you and i remember back to nigel farage saying that in 2014, seen overwhelming all this language is, is , is worrying to language is, is, is worrying to the kind of left, um, twitter users and the rest. >> but many people in communities who do feel do feel overwhelmed. he's recognising how people feel when they see their neighbourhoods change and how and they feel that there's no control over migration. that's what he's talking about. and i it does show he's and i think it does show he's trying understand it's trying to understand why it's a big issue, sadly. yet we're yet to see any real attempt to stop it. the tens of thousands arriving here illegally , arriving here illegally, hundreds of thousands arriving illegally , illegally, legally. illegally, illegally, legally. forgive me. legally net

migration is that net number. but so far, no real attempt to stop it. and time is running out on this government. >> okay, christopher. hope for us in our westminster studio. thank you very much indeed. and the deputy editor of conservativehome, henry hill, is still us. what do you make still with us. what do you make of this, henry? do you think planes to rwanda will ever take off? we're talking now. of off? we're talking now. some of the papers reporting this morning earlier. so we're looking may, and then looking at now is may, and then we're getting into election territory, we territory, aren't we? we are getting into election territory. >> i don't >> i mean, personally, i don't think bill is going think the rwanda bill is going to right, because to happen, right, because there's force it there's not time to force it through house of lords. if through the house of lords. if the house of lords insist on a load of amendments, the government will government won't accept, it will fall called double fall on something called double insistence march. right insistence in march. right and then have rwanda bill then we won't have a rwanda bill at if we did, uh, this at all. but if we did, uh, this is surmountable. you hire a commercial, uh, like a cargo airline that airline or something that doesn't to the doesn't have exposure to the public. and you and you take them off from an raf base, which doesn't access, doesn't have public access, which harder for which makes it harder for protesters. that's doable. but the broader question of is the

rwanda to rwanda scheme ever going to happen, government happen, like the government tried a what it thought was a better judged legal approach , it betterjudged legal approach, it lost in the supreme court. it's now trying pass bill now trying to pass a bill without it through. without time to get it through. so even if you did get it through, you then have a legal challenges would have to challenges which would have to come through. so personally, i don't we're going a don't think we're going to see a rwanda of the election. >> this whole plan, apart from to get people back. and the to get people back. and as the deterrent, was deterrent, of course, rwanda was a deterrent. that was the plan. but was politically but it was also politically rishi thought was going rishi sunak thought he was going to score one over the labour to put score one over the labour party the tories having a party by the tories having a proper policy, would proper policy, which they would unite around rwanda unite around the rwanda plan. labour policy as an labour have no real policy as an alternative, but fact it's alternative, but in fact it's completely unravelled because he can't get the tory party to back it . it. >> yeah, the rwanda scheme really is focusing on issues which i think are going to divide the conservative party andindeed divide the conservative party and indeed british politics for the next 10 to 15 years. you know, immigration on the practical extent of our international commitments, the echr need to maybe echr and the need to maybe renegotiate some of that, these are issues. but are really important issues. but the are no

the governments are no patrolling. like brexit patrolling. it's not like brexit where you had years of work and campaigning building up. campaigning and building up. it's at the it's just trying to do it at the end a government and it end of a government and it hasn't created a consensus. even within conservative party, within the conservative party, about true about what to do. it's true labour an answer labour doesn't have an answer right answer clear. right? labour's answer is clear. the backlog . but the only way the backlog. but the only way you can reliably the you can reliably clear the backlog you let backlog is basically if you let everyone because one of the everyone in, because one of the big that up the big things that holds up the backlog is the trouble deporting big things that holds up the backlog so the trouble deporting big things that holds up the backlog so labourrble deporting big things that holds up the backlog so labourrble dephave] people. so labour doesn't have a policy, tories aren't policy, but the tories aren't getting the credit that they might for that because their policy isn't the other policy isn't working. the other big sunak is big problem for rishi sunak is that trying to run an that he's trying to run an election. tough on election. on being tough on immigration. legal immigration. right. but legal immigration net legal immigration net legal immigration since immigration has tripled since 2010. 2010, that was 2010. 257,000. in 2010, that was a record 745,000 last year. so he can't mention legal immigration, which means he's stuck rwanda. and we to stuck on rwanda. and we have to remember million remember it's 1.2 million actually in. actually came in. >> um, when you take out the people who leave, it comes down to 745,000, 1.2 million people coming in from abroad every yeah coming in from abroad every year. major city. year. it's a major city. >> it is. and we don't build anything like enough, like, you know, talk about know, houses. i talk about housing every time i come on the

channeli housing every time i come on the channel, i think. we build channel, i think. but we build 250 homes year. 250 to 280,000 homes a year. yeah. starts are down yeah. you new starts are down and at the same time, we import three quarters of a million people. now that means more and more people competing for. that's why we have a rent crisis and everything else. it's unsustainable. right >> henry hill, you very much. now, keir starmer today urged >> now, keir starmer today urged the put the prime minister to put politics and put patients politics aside and put patients before non—doms to fix the nhs. yes. >> the call comes as health service backlogs continue to grow . that's despite pm's grow. that's despite the pm's pledge cut waiting lists in pledge to cut waiting lists in january . well, here to explain january. well, here to explain labour's nhs plan is former labour's nhs plan is former labour mp simon danczuk very good to see you this morning, simon. as talk us a little bit through this plan. >> well what they're proposing to do and it's the brainchild here is west streeting and he's proposing to get rid of the backlog by encouraging and enabung backlog by encouraging and enabling , uh, local health enabling, uh, local health authorities to work over the weekend. it seems like a no brainer to me. there's a need over half ,

brainer to me. there's a need over half, uh, brainer to me. there's a need over half , uh, hospitals, half over half, uh, hospitals, half of hospitals , uh, don't actually of hospitals, uh, don't actually close. they actually close their operating theatres over the weekend . and what we need to do weekend. and what we need to do is sweat the asset. i mean, it's quite an obvious solution to a difficult problem. so get operate in theatres, working over the weekend , use money from over the weekend, use money from getting rid of non—dom status to fund that in the nhs and get the nhs carrying out more operations , uh, or on a saturday. and a sunday. i think it's a it's a great idea actually, simon. >> it's a great idea. but if it's so, so straightforward, why hasn't it been done before? because says these doctors because who says these doctors and surgeons are going agree and surgeons are going to agree to work at the weekends? you can't them. can't make them. uh, the government they'll them government say they'll pay them overtime. but when did you last see open? see a gp surgery open? on a saturday. they just. it's a new mindset in the nhs. >> yeah, i think we are. oh without a doubt. we need radical reform within the nhs . and, uh, reform within the nhs. and, uh, i think the person to do it is

west streeting, the shadow health secretary uh, i think he's , he's, he's already been he's, he's, he's already been around the world looking at other solutions . it was in other solutions. it was in singapore recently , uh, looking singapore recently, uh, looking at what some of the solutions could be for the united kingdom and labour probably are the party to reform the nhs. the conservatives always get stuck on trying to reform the nhs. they sort of seen as the bogeyman when it comes to the nhs. so labour could do that if they get into power at the general election, then wes streeting, who's one of the smarter members of the shadow cabinet after say, uh, and if he's enabled to do it, if keir starmer allows him to reform the nhs, then we could eventually see some change. and i do think that needs to involve, uh, in increasing productivity . uh, it increasing productivity. uh, it needs to involve the private sector much more. we have to have a radical overhaul . have a radical overhaul. >> i mean, it is going to have to be root and branch reform

isn't it, simon? because quite frankly, i mean, just look at the backlog and also the cost. i mean, wes streeting himself would say the nhs is going to go bankrupt if doesn't reform . bankrupt if it doesn't reform. >> absolutely . and he's >> yeah, absolutely. and he's been honest about that. that's why i think, uh wes streeting is the person to do it. he said that the funding for the nhs is unsustainable. he says that the nhs use the winter crisis to try and get more money out of, uh, government . isn't is speaking government. isn't is speaking the truth on many of these matters? uh rishi sunak is one of his five pledges. has said he'll get waiting list . uh, he'll get waiting list. uh, waiting times down. that's not really occurred. i think it's gone from 7.7 million a year waiting to, uh, from 7.8 million. uh, that's not much change. uh, so we do need a radical overhaul . radical overhaul. >> i agree with you, but i suspect there are some of your former colleagues on the labour benches, simon, who will throw their up in horror at the their hands up in horror at the mere idea of more private sector

involvement and, uh, and, uh , of involvement and, uh, and, uh, of course, labour is much easier for labour to it than the tories, but he could encounter keir starmer a lot of opposition on his own side, particularly keir starmer a lot of opposition on doesn't side, particularly keir starmer a lot of opposition on doesn't have particularly keir starmer a lot of opposition on doesn't have phugelarly keir starmer a lot of opposition on doesn't have phuge majority . he doesn't have a huge majority. >> i agree with you. there >> uh, i agree with you. there are people within the parliamentary labour party who will not have trust with any involvement of the private sector. the problem , uh, labour sector. the problem, uh, labour has is that keir starmer is no wes streeting. uh wes streeting in knows how to connect with the public. he speaks , uh, the public. he speaks, uh, the honest language that's required. he knows to how define a woman, which keir struggles with. so perhaps in many respects, we'd be better off with wes streeting as leader. but that's not what we've got at the moment. >> okay, simon danczuk, former labour mp very good to see you this morning. thank you very much indeed, henry. >> can do it? i mean we can >> can they do it? i mean we can working, operating , working, getting operating, working. can. if it's so working. we can. if it's so obvious. haven't done obvious. why haven't they done it well, because expensive >> well, because it's expensive and need negotiate with and you'd need to negotiate with sorry. to negotiate

sorry. you'd need to negotiate with trade unions. with the trade unions. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> which, uh , we have >> which, uh, we have historically been bad historically been quite bad at doing is the main doing, but expensive is the main one. know, if go from one. you know, if you go from a five day nhs to a seven day nhs, you're logically increased the cost the nhs right at cost of the nhs by 40, right at a time when the budget is extremely so where extremely stretched. so where are find the are they going to find the money? i mean, the non—dom thing, enough thing, it won't raise enough money. money money. they've spent that money several yeah yeah, several times. times? yeah yeah, precisely. frankly it precisely. it's frankly it doesn't raise all that much precisely. it's frankly it doesn't itise all that much precisely. it's frankly it doesn't it will ll that much precisely. it's frankly it doesn't it will potentially h precisely. it's frankly it doesn't it will potentially drive money. it will potentially drive high individuals out high net worth individuals out of uk. setting that of the uk. but setting that aside, root and aside, they talk about root and branch reform. really easy branch reform. it's really easy to talk about root and branch reform abstract. right. reform in the abstract. right. everyone the nhs everyone agrees that the nhs needs what like what needs root. but what like what is the actual reform that you want in the uk? the want to do in the uk? the current system propped up by. current system is propped up by. the truth is, the current system is up by private care. is propped up by private care. it more and it is propped up by more and more health more people having health insurance, for which they get no tax anything tax deductions or anything else. that spend in that money that they spend in the health care system the private health care system doesn't cross—subsidise nhs services. into private services. it goes into a private ecosystem that props up shareholders and the highest level now a high level of the uk now has a high level of the uk now has a high level of the uk now has a high

level of incidental spending by the crowdfunding level of incidental spending by the care. crowdfunding level of incidental spending by the care. you wdfunding level of incidental spending by the care. you wdflinling for health care. as you see in the united states, that was from for health care. as you see in tifinancialstates, that was from for health care. as you see in tifinancial times that was from for health care. as you see in tifinancial times report/as from for health care. as you see in tifinancial times report lastrom a financial times report last yeah a financial times report last year. so fine, if you want to do a root and branch reform of the nhs, involves middle nhs, that involves middle class people paying for more of it, and one's going touch and no one's going to touch that. >> if you want to pay more taxes, they say they do, taxes, they will say they do, but vote but they tend to vote for parties which put up your taxes. >> well, i don't think i don't think it is taxes. i think that's the issue. taxes. taxation is already at a historic high. think if you historic high. i think if you look european systems, do look at european systems, how do you, have higher you, which all have higher investment the nhs, how do investment than the nhs, how do you do it? get people to pay you do it? you get people to pay for their own because for their own care because people extent, if they people to an extent, if they can, because people tend be can, because people tend to be more willing part with their more willing to part with their own for their own care own money for their own care than to just hand stuff than they are to just hand stuff over taxman. and if you over to the taxman. and if you did that, then money, did that, then the tax money, you concentrate on those you could concentrate on those who most. but is labour? who need it most. but is labour? i labouris who need it most. but is labour? i labour is the party that i mean, labour is the party that could nixon's china on the could do nixon's china on the nhs it really wanted to. but nhs if it really wanted to. but is the labour party actually going don't think going to do that? i don't think so. i agree you. okay. >> i agree with you. okay. >> i agree with you. okay. >> absolutely not. >> absolutely not.

>> henry health, thank you very much us what much indeed. do let us know what you think about that. what do you think about that. what do you labour's plan on you think of labour's plan on fixing nhs? gb views at gb fixing the nhs? gb views at gb news.com? stay us news.com? but do stay with us still did catch still to come. did you catch that baroness that interview with baroness mone you mone at the weekend? do you think she did anything wrong after benefit after she stands to benefit around £60 million from ppe around £60 million from a ppe contract that is no ppe that didn't contract that is no ppe that did risky. >> risky. >> risky. >> reminding yeah, >> reminding people that yeah, this is britain's newsroom on gb news, people's channel. news, the people's channel. >> outlook >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar of weather on gb news. >> hello there . very good >> hello there. very good morning to you and jonathan vautrey here of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. we do have a relatively unsettled week of weather ahead of us, and that is starting with fronts that starting with these fronts that are sprawled across great swathes we do have swathes of the uk. so we do have some rain to some outbreaks of rain to contend with, particularly for western today. contend with, particularly for wes rain today. contend with, particularly for wes rain will today. contend with, particularly for wes rain will be today. contend with, particularly for wes rain will be slightly today. the rain will be slightly lighter and patchy further towards east. even some towards the east. even some early brightness southeast early brightness for southeast england. be england. but the cloud will be thickening the thickening here into the afternoon blustery, afternoon on a blustery, breezy day wales. but day for england and wales. but the be easing out for the winds will be easing out for northern scotland northern ireland and scotland as we some sunshine we start to see some sunshine poking way through. later poking its way through. later on, few heavy showers

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channel. channel good channel. good morning. >> it's 10 am. on monday, the 18th of december. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and me. ellie costello , pandemic profiteering. costello, pandemic profiteering. >> i should say so. baroness michelle mone admits she failed to reveal her links to a company that supplied ppe to the nhs. they're going to make around £60 million profit. >> this only added that i have made it is see to the press that i wasn't involved. i don't honestly see there's a case to answer. um i can't see what we've done wrong . we've done wrong. >> rwanda roadblock airlines are reportedly refusing to sign contracts to take part in the asylum policy over reputational damage. our political editor, christopher hope, has more . christopher hope, has more. >> if commercial flights won't take off with people to rwanda , take off with people to rwanda, how will migrants get there ? p how will migrants get there? p at the pm's new problems and

starmer's prescription the labour leader, sir keir starmer, has challenged the prime minister to put politics aside and put patients for non—doms to save the health service . save the health service. >> weighing down the nhs hospital . admissions linked to hospital. admissions linked to obesity have doubled in six years. that's more than 3000 admissions a day . and christmas admissions a day. and christmas dnnk admissions a day. and christmas drink warning there. >> there are growing concerns about alcoholism during the festive season, so we asked just how much is too much? >> people struggle with their drinking. with drinking. they struggle with their relationships. they struggle with their mental health. than would health. far more than they would at time of the year. at any other time of the year. >> i felt lowest of the low. >> i felt the lowest of the low. i felt like, why don't my life just why just just end? why don't it just stop? pain . just stop? well do let us know your thoughts on any of our talking points today. >> we do love to hear from you. the email address is gb views at

gb news us.com. first, let's gb news us.com. but first, let's get headlines with get your news headlines with tatiana . tatiana sanchez. >> ellie, thank you very much and good morning. your top stories from the gb newsroom, michael gove is facing pressure after baroness michelle mone admitted she'll benefit from a deal between the government and a ppe firm . lady mone admitted a ppe firm. lady mone admitted she failed to reveal her links to a company that supplied ppe gowns to the nhs . as medpro is gowns to the nhs. as medpro is currently being investigated by the national crime agency . see the national crime agency. see lady mone told the bbc she made an error by not revealing her links to the company, which led to her receiving around £60 million. ministers say she shouldn't return to the house of lords , as £1.5 billion of lords, as £1.5 billion of funding is being put into government grant schemes to help keep households warm. it's part of the £6 billion package for energy efficiency measures that were announced in last year's autumn statement. it's after the

success of the £7,500 uplift to heat pump grants . the funding heat pump grants. the funding covers a three year period from 2025 to 2028. a new £400 million energy efficiency grant will also go to households to fund bigger radiators and better insulation, energy efficiency minister lord callanan told gb news the scheme will help with the rising energy costs . the rising energy costs. >> the reason that we're seeing such massive spikes in, in, in pncesis such massive spikes in, in, in prices is because our own suppues prices is because our own supplies of, of oil and gas from the north sea are declining. we're having to import more and more. and you saw the massive price spike last winter caused by putin's invasion of ukraine. so we need to reduce our usage of imported expensive fossil fuels. and alongside our climate commitments, all of that points towards increased electrification . in two people electrification. in two people were taken to hospital after a gas explosion at a home in blackburn . blackburn. >> police were called to alerts

of an incident at 8:00 last night. video footage showed the walls and the roof of a house crumbling around a passer by. he was taken to hospital with minor injuries along with a second man who also suffered minor injuries. lancashire police say nearby homes had been evacuated and they urged people to avoid the area, while investigations continue . the foreign secretary continue. the foreign secretary is calling for the release of media tycoon and pro—democracy campaignerjemmy media tycoon and pro—democracy campaigner jemmy lai media tycoon and pro—democracy campaignerjemmy lai as his landmark national security case begins , as the 76 year old begins, as the 76 year old british citizen is charged with colluding with foreign forces to endanger national security . he endanger national security. he faces a possible life sentence if convicted under a law imposed by china following the 2019 pro—democracy protests . lord pro—democracy protests. lord cameron has condemned the charges against mr lai, urging chinese authorities to end the politically motivated prosecution . london's public prosecution. london's public transport system will receive

£250 million worth of government support next year. transport for london will use the investment for projects such as providing new tube trains for the piccadilly line . tfl is not piccadilly line. tfl is not allowed to spend the money on its day to day operations . the its day to day operations. the rail minister said the investment will have an impact for not just people in the caphal for not just people in the capital, the millions capital, but also the millions who visit year . owners of who visit every year. owners of xl bullies have two weeks to make sure their dogs are legal. from december, the 31st. they must be muzzled in public and it will be illegal to breed, sell or abandon them. in england and wales . owners have also been wales. owners have also been told they can ask a vet to put their pets down and claim compensation. the full ban on the breed comes into force on the breed comes into force on the 1st of february next year, but owners can apply for an exemption to keep their dogs and the festive getaway begins today with 21 million uk carjourneys expected to be made between now and christmas eve. the rac says just over 2 million trips will be made on thursday, and 3.2

million on friday. around 13.5 million on friday. around 13.5 million carjourneys are million car journeys are expected between friday and december. the 24th. that's up 20% from the same time last year .dunng 20% from the same time last year . during the weekend before christmas, between midday and 2 pm. is expected to be the busiest time to travel on the roads, with drivers being warned to travel before or after peak times to avoid gridlock . traffic times to avoid gridlock. traffic you're with gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to andrew and . ellie. to andrew and. ellie. >> well, let's see what you've been saying at home. a lot of you are very aerated. as my mother would say, if she was still with us about baroness mone, jim stripped of her mone, jim says, stripped of her title. profits, put title. retrieve the profits, put the in public the money back in the public purse. >> w says, purse. >> says, regarding >> and dan says, regarding michelle mone, why is no one asking question why is she asking the question why is she being paid equipment that being paid for equipment that was surely she was was defective? surely she was contracted to provide equipment

that it wasn't that was fit for use. it wasn't fit for use and therefore didn't fulfil contract . i don't fulfil the contract. i don't understand how she can get away with this . with this. >> they are trying to get 120 million back, but it might not be proved too easy. and of course they did put take a 60 million profit out of this deal, which is now in her husband's in a trust fund in the isle of man, which think um , a tax haven. >> and the national crime agency are looking at this at the moment. so this could be a lot more to come on this story. so do keep those views coming in on that. vaiews@gbnews.com . that. vaiews@gbnews.com. >> now let's get up to date with the latest problems for rwanda. airlines are apparently refusing to contracts take part to sign contracts to take part in asylum policy because in this asylum policy because they it could their they fear it could damage their reputation. chris hope is our political editor in westminster. >> yes , andrew, yet yet more >> yes, andrew, yet yet more problems for this policy, which the pm is putting so much stall on and trying to make this

happen, taking migrants off from the uk, arriving illegally by in small boats back to rwanda . we small boats back to rwanda. we now hear that commercial airlines are not volunteering to sign up for this. airlines are not volunteering to sign up for this . the government sign up for this. the government now is looking to try and hire an agent to try and find some carrier who will take part in this the way they've this work. the way they've got is media, there is that on social media, there might be critics who will try and point their finger at this company and try damage this company and try and damage this business elsewhere , that's business elsewhere, and that's the government is the problem the government is also trying to see which airfield to take off from. they're looking at boscombe down airfield to take off from. titey're looking at boscombe down airfield to take off from. tit seems, king at boscombe down airfield to take off from. tit seems, kirwiltshire,ombe down airfield to take off from. tit seems, kirwiltshire, but e down , it seems, in wiltshire, but that lot more fencing that requires a lot more fencing around it to stop protesters trying to stop flights taking off. this will be a battle, even if we get to the point where it gets can happen gets legal and can happen through the commons house through the commons and house of lords may, lords by maybe april or may, then battle will be. will then the battle will be. will flights be allowed to take off? this is popular out this policy is popular out there, away from twitter , away there, away from twitter, away from people who are concerned about it. maybe on the left of politics country , people politics in this country, people want to see action, to try and tackle small boat arrivals. tackle the small boat arrivals.

is numbers. it's is illegal numbers. it's worrying. the pm, the pm said in a a conference this weekend. a in a conference this weekend. a right wing conference with giorgia meloni and the italian premier , he made very clear he's premier, he made very clear he's worried about the numbers taking off. he said it could overwhelm parts of europe and that our enemies could use this to underwear over the, uh, forgive me to, um , under undermine , uh, me to, um, under undermine, uh, democracies . the problem, of democracies. the problem, of course, is if you allow more people to arrive here legally and don't check their paperwork properly, or if they may not have paperwork, who is arriving , have paperwork, who is arriving, who is coming here? and that's the got. and it's the worry. he's got. and it's a worry shared by other countries. italy for example. and that's why finding common why the uk is finding common cause with italy at the moment on on this issue. >> but we are seeing setback after setback after setback, aren't we, christopher hope and each of setbacks you just each of these setbacks you just adds this overwhelming cost adds to this overwhelming cost of the rwanda plan . i mean, of the rwanda plan. i mean, we're talking now about potentially having to look at we're talking now about pote|planes1aving to look at we're talking now about pote|planes or ing to look at we're talking now about pote|planes or the to look at we're talking now about pote|planes or the rafyok at we're talking now about pote|planes or the raf getting mod planes or the raf getting involved in order to get people on flights to rwanda and you

touched upon there the huge security issue when it comes to erecting barriers to try and keep protesters out . yeah keep protesters out. yeah i think the government will want to go ahead with it though. >> they are they are trying to demonstrate they get the issue of migration y legal or illegal migration needs to be controlled. it hasn't been . we controlled. it hasn't been. we heard earlier from henry hill about issue of house about the issue of house building where will everyone live if come um, this live if they come here? um, this way. it's not fair on people who are here who are waiting for housing waiting line housing or waiting in line for various appointments and various hostel appointments and medical treatments. if you allow people to arrive to jump, people to arrive here to jump, to queue almost. that's to jump the queue almost. that's the no question the concern. there's no question that is trying to show us that the pm is trying to show us with speech the weekend with this speech at the weekend in understands the in italy. he understands the issue migration and it's issue of migration and why it's so for communities, so concerning for communities, but can he, can he get can he push ahead it? what the push ahead and get it? what the big is, henry hill was big issue is, henry hill was saying is rwanda going saying is, is rwanda even going to one knows. the to work? no one knows. the political is it doesn't to work? no one knows. the politi(and is it doesn't to work? no one knows. the politi(and then it doesn't to work? no one knows. the politi(and then we're sn't to work? no one knows. the politi(and then we're into an work. and then we're into an election period when a government well, government will say, well, our big hasn't and big idea hasn't worked, and perhaps people think it's perhaps people might think it's labour's to have a

labour's labour's turn to have a go. clock ticking. go. the clock is ticking. >> hope there for us >> christopher hope there for us now. westminster studio, thank you indeed. you very much indeed. >> other huge story >> well, the other huge story today baroness mone joining >> well, the other huge story tocin baroness mone joining >> well, the other huge story tocin the3aroness mone joining >> well, the other huge story tocin the studio;s mone joining >> well, the other huge story tocin the studio to vione joining >> well, the other huge story tocin the studio to talk�* joining >> well, the other huge story tocin the studio to talk aboutg us in the studio to talk about this is piers pottinger. he's the of europe's biggest the founder of europe's biggest pr firm, bell pottinger. um, piers , you've advised tory prime piers, you've advised tory prime ministers. you i know you've advised quite a few members of the lords to. where the house of lords to. where would baroness would you start with baroness mone that absolute car mone after that absolute car crash interview? >> don't anyone >> well, i don't think anyone could her when she admits could advise her when she admits she's a liar . yeah. um, it's she's a liar. yeah. um, it's interesting. her husband's called barrowman , and i would called barrowman, and i would say he looks more like a baron boy. yeah, and seems to have behaved like it. i mean, that ridiculous interview with laura kuenssberg was absolutely extraordinary. i mean, on the one hand, she says , i lied . um, one hand, she says, i lied. um, but she says i didn't wish to pull the wool over anyone's eyes.i pull the wool over anyone's eyes. i mean, it's extraordinary. and once you lie to the press, you're finished with the press. why should they ever believe you again? and on top of that , her lawyers lied to

top of that, her lawyers lied to the press . they wrote letters to the press. they wrote letters to at least the guardian. i think all the papers saying she was categorically not involved . now, categorically not involved. now, if you're advising a client, you have to trust them. yeah. how do the lawyers trust her? because she obviously lied to them or they were lying as well, in which case that's a breach of legal practice. so there's something very wrong here. and i think the youtube documentary, which is even more farcical , i which is even more farcical, i actually thought it was a steve coogan spoof. i know it's absolutely preposterous what she's doing. and if i was a judge or a member of a jury, she's at the moment facing a criminal and civil prosecution. um in either case, i would have thought that would prejudice the what she's done . actually, it what she's done. actually, it hasn't helped. it's made things worse for her. um, i think it's extraordinary . i worse for her. um, i think it's extraordinary. i know worse for her. um, i think it's extraordinary . i know her type extraordinary. i know her type a rather ruthless , determined,

rather ruthless, determined, impatient entrepreneur. and i think when she was given her peerage, i suspect it was a token gesture to the scots because they didn't have, i think, in that honours list, many other scots . and they many other scots. and they thought, oh gosh, we'd better give it to someone. here's a scottish lady entrepreneur. perfect but i mean, look at this mess . it's shocking. and also mess. it's shocking. and also the profiteering at the time of one of biggest, britain's biggest crises. >> 60 million. >> 60 million. >> any way you look at this, it's disgraceful . and to say she it's disgraceful. and to say she was protecting her family. i'm sorry, i don't see how anyone can believe that. it's absolutely . she's trying to absolutely. she's trying to defend the in defensible. >> what do you think she was trying to achieve from that interview? because she admits to lying , but she says she hasn't lying, but she says she hasn't done anything wrong and she doesn't think she's got a case to answer for it. it looked as though me , she wanted though to me, she wanted people to sorry for her, to feel to feel sorry for her, to feel sorry her family the sorry for her family and the press intrusion, and it's totally .

totally backfired. >> protecting family stuff . >> protecting my family stuff. i'm sorry. really doesn't i'm sorry. it really doesn't wash and it's a bit like nicola sturgeon also facing potential court action who keeps saying i've done nothing wrong . i mean, i've done nothing wrong. i mean, they seem to people in those kind of positions . it they seem to people in those kind of positions. it seems to be the vogue to say, oh, i lied. that's perfectly all right. and i've done nothing wrong. sorry, but she's admitting that. >> sorry. >> sorry. >> no, i'm just saying she she said that it's not a crime to lie to the press, but when she's lying to the press, she's lying to everybody. >> she is an >> of course she is an and, um, she's lying . i mean, it is never she's lying. i mean, it is never a good idea to lie, because once you start lying , you've got to you start lying, you've got to continue lying to keep the lie alive , as it were. and i always alive, as it were. and i always used to advise my clients who sometimes wanted to lie and please don't do that because it doesn't work. and also, if a client ever lied to me, i'd immediately resign their business and i would imagine

that michelle mone's lawyers now must be thinking about that . must be thinking about that. >> yeah, i can't remember who they are, but i mean, i don't suppose they're cheap . no. and suppose they're cheap. no. and i like you. and i saw because they were threatening some newspapers with defamation proceedings and they've sent letters signed by themselves declaring that their client has no involvement , themselves declaring that their client has no involvement, and therefore they must have believed it. >> um, now , if they have, if >> um, now, if they have, if they've been if they knew she was lying, i mean , my goodness was lying, i mean, my goodness me, who's ever going to take that firm? it's the firm of lawyers reputation on the line here, just as it is michelle mone and the barrow boy . mone and the barrow boy. >> right. >> right. >> stay with us. thank you very much . now, sir keir starmer has much. now, sir keir starmer has urged the prime minister to put politics aside and put patients before non—doms to fix the nhs. >> this comes as health service backlogs continue to grow , backlogs continue to grow, despite the prime minister's five, one of his five pledges which was to cut waiting lists by january. >> well, here to explain

labour's plan is media labour's nhs plan is media commentator and former sunday mirror editor paul connew . very mirror editor paul connew. very good to see you this morning, paul good to see you this morning, paul, and talk us through these plans from labour. >> well it's quite a it's quite a sizeable document. i've got it here. labour's mission on, on the nhs and looking back at michelle mode, it's not a, it's not a good a good day for the government on the nhs front because that fits again into the what what went wrong with the nhs during during during the pandemic. under this government. so it's going to be it's going to be interesting but but labour labour are trying to get across uh a policy almost a, almost a cross—party agreement . uh a policy almost a, almost a cross—party agreement. i uh a policy almost a, almost a cross—party agreement . i don't cross—party agreement. i don't quite think that's, that's going to work. but in wes streeting they have one of the more innovative politicians around, uh , young, dynamic and willing uh, young, dynamic and willing to and willing to, if you like , to and willing to, if you like, uh, think out of out of the box

while still remaining committed to a to a free nhs. while still remaining committed to a to a free nhs . and paul, do to a to a free nhs. and paul, do you think i mean leaving aside, we know there won't be a cross—party consensus on this, but it's pretty basic stuff. >> they're saying get operating theatres, working on a saturday and sunday. if it was that straightforward, why has it never been done before ? answer. never been done before? answer. presumably the huge cost. and are we and are labour then prepared to say where that money is going to come from? because they've spent that non—doms policy quite a few times already ? >> well, 7— >> well, it's 7 >> well, it's there are there are a handful of , of nhs trusts are a handful of, of nhs trusts that, that have recently started doing weekend surgery, for example , and quite successfully . example, and quite successfully. and in the labour's paper, they want to that they want their document , they want to step up document, they want to step up on, you know, on that along with, along with their ambition is to have 7500 more medical school places , 10,000 more nhs

school places, 10,000 more nhs nurses , 7000 more district nurses, 7000 more district nurses. and it's worth , it's nurses. and it's worth, it's worth noting, which a lot of people don't realise that we have one of the lowest per capha have one of the lowest per capita doctors, you know , in capita doctors, you know, in europe. in fact , you know, sort europe. in fact, you know, sort of three docs thousand. per um, in our case, in fact, you know, and uh, even greece has has six per thousand and we have a heavy reliance on overseas , these reliance on overseas, these medical staff, uh, than than virtually any other major european economy . paul do you european economy. paul do you think we even have a workforce thatis think we even have a workforce that is willing or even capable of working seven days a week? >> i mean, we've been plagued by a strike action in the nhs, and we're always hearing how overworked and understaffed these these wards are. so do we even have the capacity to make it a seven day service ? it a seven day service? >> that, that that is the

challenge. i'm you know, although i'm an admirer of wes streeting , i think i think he streeting, i think i think he there are a few things that he hasn't really managed to explain. and you know, and what one of those is, is certainly how it fits in with labour also wanting to reduce , you know , wanting to reduce, you know, legal migration and obviously we're all against illegal migration and trying to stop the boats. but we do need we do need legal migrants in the health service. and labour's plan is a ten year plan. and frankly , the ten year plan. and frankly, the way the polls are going that they would probably have a majority that would probably get almost guarantee them a ten year tenure. so it's not like they want to wave magic wand and want to wave a magic wand and suddenly everything's going to be overnight but be right, right. overnight but but the target, the targets are ambitious, but they are important targets . important targets. >> all right. that's paul connew. thanks so much for joining us. piers pottinger still with us, piers. um, boris

johnson romped into downing street with majority of 80. street with a majority of 80. i know blown off course know they were blown off course by the pandemic, but with a majority that large they majority of that large they perhaps taken perhaps could have taken some radical about the nhs. radical steps about the nhs. >> yes , but the trouble is all >> yes, but the trouble is all governments seem to shy away from doing the really big things they need to do with the nhs , they need to do with the nhs, and this labour plan is really pathetic. um, they are doing scans and as , as paul has said scans and as, as paul has said already , quite a few nhs are already, quite a few nhs are doing um, uh, operations at the weekend, so there's nothing new in the labour plan. also there's pie in the sky idea you can whisk up 7000 new doctors, 10,000 new nurses. where are they? where are they coming from? and how do you pay from? yeah. and how do you pay for it? of course. well, exactly how will we pay for it? i mean, throwing more and more money at the solution. and the nhs is not a solution. and also rishi sunak also always to blame rishi sunak for things that actually the chief executive of the nhs should be sorting out the medical people in the nhs do a wonderful job, but 48% of the

employees are are management, bureaucracy and non—medical and surely that's an area you could really look at and fine tune. i think also labour have almost accepted , but dare not admit accepted, but dare not admit that there needs to be a public private partnership ukip to make the nhs work properly. will they have the courage to do that? i don't think so because it's such a very, very, um, sort of tinderbox moment for the extreme left. and starmer is still terrified of the extreme left, and if he doesn't have a huge majority. no. and incidentally , majority. no. and incidentally, with the problem with rwanda and the planes , uh, i mean, i the planes, uh, i mean, i actually think that you should look at sending them to rwanda by boat, which is their favoured method of transport. the illegal immigrants. >> i hadn't thought that. >> i hadn't thought that. >> no. well, it's a nice sea journey. it's a long cruise. you get quite a lot more in the boats. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> the bibby stockholm could go okay. >> piers pottinger means that seriously to this morning.

>> now, up next, the foreign secretary, lord david cameron, has many civilians has warned too many civilians have been gaza and have been killed in gaza and expressed public support for a sustainable ceasefire. we'll be talking about that next. this is britain's newsroom on .

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pearson, eddie costello in for bev turner. >> yes, now the language towards the and hamas the war between israel and hamas seems to be changing . seems to be changing. >> yeah, well, the foreign secretary, david cameron, has warned too many civilians have been killed in gaza and expressed public support for a sustainable ceasefire. >> are pushing >> meanwhile, the us are pushing israel small israel to move towards small scale raids. but does the war still have support among israelis? >> well, we're joined in the studio by broadcaster and lawyer andrew eborn. andrew, there's a definite change in language, the foreign secretary writing a joint with the german joint article with the german foreign saying foreign secretary saying a sustainable ceasefire ceasefire doesn't mean a temporary pause in hostilities to allow humanitarian aid. a ceasefire means so you can start negotiating. well israel are not going to negotiate with hamas, and hamas will not negotiate with israel because they're a terrorist organisation that doesn't believe in a two state solution , and they are solution, and they are determined to wipe israel off the map. >> no, no, absolutely right. and as you say, the language has changed and it's sort of turning

around and saying, okay, look, we recognise israel's got the right to defend itself and the terrorist attack and language about that. but the key to it and about language, and it's always about language, isn't it? yes about the difficulty the bbc had declaring them a terrorist them to be a terrorist organisation. yeah. and it's a prescribed one. and what prescribed one. and by law what happens is it's an offence if you support a proscribed terrorist there terrorist organisation, there are appropriately are penalties appropriately when they're the key they're talking about the key word this is sustainable word in this is sustainable ceasefire. what they're ceasefire. because what they're saying not a ceasefire for saying is not a ceasefire for a day or for a month, or it's got to for years. so they need to work for years. so they need to work for years. so they need to work for years. so they need to work on sort of premise to work on that sort of premise to work on that sort of premise to forward sort of to drive forward that sort of narrative. i think narrative. but certainly i think it absolutely a change. it is absolutely a change. biden's out on that biden's also come out on that sort principle and what's sort of principle and what's going happen. the going to happen. i think the spotlight will then shine on spotlight is will then shine on netanyahu , who's all sorts netanyahu, who's got all sorts of questions to answer at the moment . and a lot of people. moment. and a lot of people. there's movie about the moment. and a lot of people. therand movie about the moment. and a lot of people. therand you �*novie about the moment. and a lot of people. therand you sorte about the moment. and a lot of people. therand you sort of|bout the moment. and a lot of people. therand you sort of turn the moment. and a lot of people. therand you sort of turn around e dog and you sort of turn around if you remember that and look in that thing. i think that sort of thing. and i think over the next few days that pressure is going to increase. and be and i think netanyahu will be very that point, >> yeah. now, on that point, i mean, defence secretary, mean, the defence secretary, this is something that caught our this morning, it?

this is something that caught our wallace,norning, it? this is something that caught our wallace, writing, it? this is something that caught our wallace, writing in it? this is something that caught our wallace, writing in the it? ben wallace, writing in the daily telegraph, been daily telegraph, obviously been the defence secretary for the former defence secretary for the former defence secretary for the past four years. he's pointing a finger at mr netanyahu and saying that he believes these tactics , if they believes these tactics, if they were to continue, is going to fuel the conflict for another 50 years. he also talks about years. and he also talks about the actions radicalising a whole new generation of muslims around the globe. >> and absolutely right. >> and that's absolutely right. if ever you're going to garner support . it's seeing these support. it's seeing these horrendous images that we're bombarded with every single day about children being murdered and and and so on and so forth, and civil civilian civil casualties. any civilian casualty is absolutely appalling. what's happened appalling. but what's happened is i live right in the heart of london, where we have the biggest possible of biggest possible community of everybody. israeli everybody. we have the israeli embassy over there. we have obviously, biggest obviously, there's the biggest mosque bbc just mosque. we have the bbc just around corner, and we around the corner, and we see every day. to every single day. they used to get was get on a community was fantastic. you then have all these marches what's these marches and what's happened the poison that you happened is the poison that you have in social has spilled have in social media has spilled out the streets. and i out onto the streets. and i think that you have think the more that you have these images that these dramatic images of that sort side , it's going to be sort of side, it's going to be appalling but interesting that

ben back from ben wallace pulls back from calling ceasefire. calling for a ceasefire. >> it was a very nuanced >> so it was a very nuanced article, but he says, i'm not calling for a ceasefire because article, but he says, i'm not calling �*we'veeasefire because article, but he says, i'm not calling “we've discussed. cause article, but he says, i'm not calling “we've discussed. hamas of what we've discussed. hamas are . they want to are not content. they want to wipe israel off map . but he wipe israel off the map. but he said, must not do said, what israel must not do is, is destroy large parts of gaza in the in its drive to destroy hamas . is it are there destroy hamas. is it are there two things compatible? >> well, i think i think they are, because there was a cartoon. i think when the conflict first started and people talking about people were talking about a ceasefire they had the ceasefire and they had the people cease that saying people saying, cease that saying cease. and behind them was a hamas terrorist saying, fire! yeah, on basis, because hamas terrorist saying, fire! yeah, the basis, because hamas terrorist saying, fire! yeah, the concern., because hamas terrorist saying, fire! yeah, the concern. theiriuse that's the concern. their objective to out hamas, objective is to wipe out hamas, to a terrorist to wipe out a terrorist organisation . but at the same organisation. but at the same time, absolutely have to time, we absolutely have to emphasise palestinians emphasise not all palestinians are obviously. and are hamas, obviously. no. and you at that . but you need to look at that. but it's horrendous on a human scale as ruling here, 85% of as its ruling here, 85% of gaza's population of 2.3 million homes, basically they've gone 85% from homes and you 85% from their homes and you look at this destruction and i think the trouble with these images is get desensitised images is we get desensitised

sometimes, you? and you sometimes, don't you? and you sort and say, sort of turn around and say, we've seen much we've seen too much and therefore don't really therefore we don't really realise it. it's until you realise it. it's not until you personify it and i talk about, you know, the loss of disinformation, which is out there well . and it's always there as well. and it's always about the first casualty in war is the truth. and so was there are horrendous images. are some horrendous images. there also which there are also some which have been subject about been my pet subject about i there's much have been there's so much have been i generated just to trigger those heartstrings, pull those heartstrings, pull those heartstrings even heartstrings to make it even more whole manipulation more so. the whole manipulation of on is really of what's going on is really important. but at the end of the day, the human tragedy is appalling and we need to look appalling and we do need to look at lots of questions. at that. but lots of questions. but the language is so important. sustained ceasefire but the language is so irwhich nt. sustained ceasefire but the language is so irwhich is. sustained ceasefire but the language is so irwhich is what stained ceasefire but the language is so irwhich is what they ad ceasefire but the language is so irwhich is what they want. sefire , which is what they want. >> and ben wallace is saying that, the, level of the that, um, the, the level of the conflict, level the conflict, the level of the killings palestinians is a killings of palestinians is a great recruiting sergeant for hamas . hamas. >> absolutely. you turn round and say these are the people who murdered your children. you're going absolutely of going to absolutely that sort of division have at the division that we have at the moment age is going moment of divided age is going to get much more, and that will go for on generations. you look at that sort of tragic what at that sort of tragic and what

happened days, happened over the last few days, you know, the murder of the israelis and we call it murder accidentally shot. yes, as they were coming up with their white flag and they were shirtless to prove they didn't have anything on them and to go by their own side. you're losing both sides on of basis. the on that sort of basis. so the pressure is absolutely on to find this ceasefire. but a sustainable one, as they say in the language, not days , not the language, not days, not months, but years. >> absolutely . very >> yeah, absolutely. very difficult indeed. andrew ewen, very to see you this very good to see you this morning. very much. morning. thank you very much. now still to come xl bully deadline. just two weeks to go until rishi sunak s ban comes into force. the breeding, selling and rehoming of xl bullies will become legal in england and wales. >> that and much more after your morning news with tatiana sanchez. >> andrew. thank you. 1031 this is the latest a covid contract which will see a former tory peer benefit from a £60 million

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that i knew had dewbs& co weeknights from six. >> it is 1038. if only you knew what we were talking about just before the break. you're on britain's newsroom on tv news with andrew pierce and ellie costello. yes >> very good morning to you. now, the charity drinkaware says more than half brits think now, the charity drinkaware says morcountry1alf brits think now, the charity drinkaware says morcountry1alf an3rits think now, the charity drinkaware says morcountry1alf an unhealthy the country has an unhealthy relationship . but relationship with alcohol. but only 1 in 10 drinkers think that they have a problem. >> our east midlands reporter, will hollis, has been investigating our relationship with with the bottle this with the with the bottle this christmas . christmas. >> alcohol took every thing from lee. hisjob, his family >> alcohol took every thing from lee. his job, his family and eventual his home. so we're

outside tesco and, uh, this is what i used to sit and beg. he spent nine months living on the streets of nottingham . in the streets of nottingham. in the day he'd drink nine cans of strong lager. >> i didn't want to live. i didn't want to be here. i felt the lowest of the low. i felt like, why don't my life just end? why don't it just stop? why don't the pain just stop? >> more than half a million brits are addicted alcohol . brits are addicted to alcohol. but millions more drink in a harmful way at christmas. booze is everywhere. the average brit dnnks is everywhere. the average brit drinks about 18 units of alcohol in a week. but at christmas time that jumps massively to at least 14 units on christmas day alone, a unit of alcohol can be half a pint of beer. a small glass of wine or a single measure of spirit . drinkaware has wine or a single measure of spirit. drinkaware has found that half of brits think the uk has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol, and that two

thirds overindulge at christmas . thirds overindulge at christmas. >> i tend to drink maybe a little bit more at christmas. i think most people basically dnnk think most people basically drink to excess , tend to have drink to excess, tend to have a little bit of a baileys at christmas. >> i think it's quite of a festive thing. >> the nottingham recovery network helps anyone struggling with drink or drugs. the charity framework runs the service with council funding. how is the new programme going ? a polis is the programme going? a polis is the director for health and social care, alcohol problems and drug problems don't happen on their own. >> they're usually a symptom of other things going it other things going on, so it might debt, health, might be debt, mental health, relationship might be debt, mental health, relationsservices together to be brought services together to be able to meet the whole of that need, he says. >> there's a in people >> there's a spike in people with drinking problems around christmas . christmas. >> people struggle with their drinking. struggle with >> people struggle with their drink relationships.ggle with >> people struggle with their drinkrelationships. theyrvith their relationships. they struggle their relationships. they struggly far more than they would health. far more than they would at other of year. at any other time of the year. >> get live again, asking >> we get to live again, asking for how many people for help is how many people start to fix a drinking problem . start to fix a drinking problem. >> when lee asked the network got him off the streets and into

recovery. he's been sober for three years now and supports others recovering too. >> i'm no longerjust, um, just existing . >> i'm no longerjust, um, just existing. i'm >> i'm no longerjust, um, just existing . i'm actually living existing. i'm actually living life . life. >> alcohol is a part of christmas and that won't change. it becomes a problem when it takes over the celebration. will hollis gb news in nottingham . hollis gb news in nottingham. >> well, we're very pleased to be joined by author and journalist emma wolf and former editor of the daily star, dawn neesom, who's a right boozer? what do you make of it? dawn >> good. hello >> good. hello >> good. hello >> good morning. quite an intro. >> good morning. quite an intro. >> morning. yes. um i think this is incredibly difficult time of yeanisnt is incredibly difficult time of year, isn't it, is incredibly difficult time of year, isn't it , for people that year, isn't it, for people that are struggling with both drink andindeed are struggling with both drink and indeed eating disorders as well? yeah, it's everyone overdoes things at christmas . overdoes things at christmas. um, and it's a very fine line between actually being aware of what you're drinking and drinking too much . but what you're drinking and drinking too much. but i think you know, that's a very

emotional , you know, that's a very emotional, um, moving report. and it's it is a struggle. it is a struggle. i mean, you know, there's people in my own family who struggle with alcohol, and they're on that verge of slipping into not being able to control it . but slipping into not being able to control it. but and this time of yean control it. but and this time of year, because there's alcohol all over the place, wherever you go all over the place, wherever you 9° ' all over the place, wherever you go , i know it's everywhere. i go, i know it's everywhere. i mean, you walk in and, you know, into a tv studio at breakfast time into a tv studio at breakfast fime ws into a tv studio at breakfast time it's like glass of time and it's like a glass of champagne. it's christmas. it's like, course , but it's like, yes, of course, but it's something we all need to be aware of. there aware of. but there is drinkaware, the way, their drinkaware, by the way, on their website they really, website, and they have a really, really website and really good website and a twitter and they've got twitter feed, and they've got lots tips and advice on there lots of tips and advice on there about how can control your about how you can control your drinking. worried drinking. if you're worried about drinking. if you're worried aboyeah. no, it's really not >> yeah. no, it's really not about you. >> that's so true. and it's funny about alcohol because it's everywhere and it's such a powerful and it can cause powerful drug. and it can cause taken drinking to taken to excess drinking to excess can cause terrible, you know, breakdown you know, family breakdown and, you know, family breakdown and, you know, very , very know, depression and very, very serious illness. but it's also a completely normal part of society , like say, society, like you say, especially christmas . and

especially at christmas. and most can just enjoy most people can just enjoy a couple of drinks, maybe overdo it sometimes. and they're fine. some people can't, and we don't know genetic or know really if it's genetic or what, but, you know, one drink will send them spiralling over the so it's such a tricky. the edge, so it's such a tricky. i haven't had a drink for about 3 4 years really, only 3 or 4 years really, only because little one because i've got a little one and a moral thing at and that's not a moral thing at all. i do better for it, all. i do feel better for it, but i also know that a glass of wine is a lovely thing to have, or sherry something. or a little sherry or something. yeah, lovely little in yeah, it's a lovely little in moderation, moderation moderation, but moderation is really hard for everybody. >> at christmas . >> have a drink at christmas. >> have a drink at christmas. >> am i'm single? oh, yeah. so my little one, three old my little one, my three year old doesn't not not doesn't drink yet. not yet, not yet, but probably yet, not yet. but we'll probably both bottle quite soon. both hit the bottle quite soon. yeah, there are, there are such wider benefits, aren't there, to not that i relate. do >> not that i can relate. i do like a drink at the weekend, but the issues that stem from it, it's saw in the issues that stem from it, it's morning, saw in the issues that stem from it, it's morning, butsaw in the issues that stem from it, it's morning, but itw in the issues that stem from it, it's morning, but it often in the issues that stem from it, it's morning, but it often comes the morning, but it often comes with anxiety, doesn't it? yeah. >> what did i do? >> what did i do? >> what did i do? >> what did i say? >> what did i say? >> was a out of control? >> was i a bit out of control? >> was i a bit out of control? >> all of that, all that, >> all of that, all of that, that you wouldn't into drinking? >> incredibly don't >> i'm incredibly lucky. i don't get hangovers, but that's

probably because thank probably because i don't thank you, that much. you, andrew. drink that much. country people's country to some people's popular belief. country to some people's popular beuef do country to some people's popular belief. do remember belief. um, but i do remember when a holiday with when i was on on a holiday with george who obviously, as george best, who obviously, as we had a serious we all know, had a serious alcohol problem . alcohol problem. >> name drop. that >> that's a good name drop. that was a good name drop on holiday with george best on honeymoon was best. was george best. >> yeah. were sitting on >> yeah. and we were sitting on a beach in mauritius watching the wasn't the sunrise together. i wasn't marrying the way. his marrying him, by the way. his wife too, but were wife was there too, but we were having tea. it was having a cup of tea. it was watching he poured watching sunrise and he poured himself a large brandy. watching sunrise and he poured himself a large brandy . and when himself a large brandy. and when you see someone at that level of addiction and you know, it was the most stunning, beautiful scene and you were watching the sunrise over the ocean. >> what, sir? what time is this? pardon? time of day are pardon? what time of the day are you pouring this brandy? >> sunrise. it was morning. it was morning. was first thing in the morning. it's we'd it's breakfast time. we'd literally woken and literally all just woken up and we and this we were sitting there and this amazing going, oh, god, amazing place going, oh, my god, this stunning, this is so stunning, so wonderful. george couldn't wonderful. and george couldn't appreciate he was appreciate it because all he was concerned was getting concerned about was getting a dnnk concerned about was getting a drink and was brandy at that drink. and it was brandy at that stage. >> so it's so incredibly sad . >> so it's so incredibly sad. yeah. cycling to the studio this morning , i chap sort of on

morning, i saw a chap sort of on the edge street holding the edge of the street holding a bottle red , and this must be bottle of red, and this must be like nine in the morning. and i thought, when it's not thought, that's when it's not fun you know, everybody fun anymore. you know, everybody likes a glass of red wine, especially when you're. but when you're holding a bottle of red wine at 9:00 in the morning, you know, you're in a pretty desperate state because you just needit desperate state because you just need it to get even to even to get normal. yeah. >> sad. >> it's very, very sad. >> segways into what >> well, this segways into what we talk about yes we can talk about next. yes ellie were both struck by ellie and i were both struck by this page store in this front page store in the times 3000 water missions. a day unked times 3000 water missions. a day linked obesity, 20 at linked to obesity, 20 of them at least. children >> but are you surprised? or are you not? because are we ignoring the obesity crisis or are we not? we talk about covid as the big health crisis. obesity in big health crisis. no obesity in this country is the huge health crisis. is entirely crisis. obesity is entirely preventable and it leads to heart attack, stroke , diabetes, heart attack, stroke, diabetes, depression. every thing, depression. yeah, every thing, all the other. it's this. it's the second most preventable form of cancer in this country. and do you want the cost? you know, £98 billion a year cost to the uk , 19 billion cost to the nhs.

uk, 19 billion cost to the nhs. the nhs is already broken and struggling and on its knees and all the cliches. and yet, and yet we have this huge weight problem and we are not talking about it. and as for children, you know, if you are, if you are overweight or obese as a young child, do you have? child, what chance do you have? is it 30% of primary age children have weight issues? >> now i have it they should >> now i have it and they should be. remember going back to be. and i remember going back to when was back in the when i was a kid back in the dark andrew, you were dark ages. andrew, you were there too. you know, there too. i mean, you know, children who overweight children who were overweight were incredibly rare. >> they were. and i can still remember the ones in school remember the ones in my school because because of the because we called because of the names. we called them because there handful children. >> when when i was >> even when even when i was young. of course, that was, young. and of course, that was, young. and of course, that was, you know, only ten years you know, only a only ten years ago, when i was school, ago, even when i was at school, it it everybody was it was it was everybody was skinny, was running skinny, everyone was running around. there was the around. and then there was the occasional who had occasional fat kid who had a grandma too many grandma that fed him too many treats yeah, treats or whatever. but yeah, people made fun it people were made fun of. now it is actually and that's is actually normal. and that's because in such an because we live in such an obesogenic society. snacks everywhere just have obesogenic society. snacks every'meals just have obesogenic society. snacks every'meals day. just have obesogenic society. snacks every'meals day. you've have obesogenic society. snacks every'meals day. you've got; obesogenic society. snacks every'meals day. you've got to three meals a day. you've got to constantly your

constantly be feeding your children smoothie, children another smoothie, another why ? another rice cake, another why? but also but also in france, they let children eat and then they let children eat and then they get hungry. between and they get hungry. in between and understanding, between hunger and is it's not a crime and fullness is it's not a crime for your child to be hungry and ready for the next meal . ready for the next meal. >> the problem you're going to have conversation, have with this conversation, though, as though, is you instantly, as soon start talking soon as you even start talking about sensibly as about obesity sensibly as a health issue, all to health issue, we all need to tackle, you get issue of fat tackle, you get the issue of fat shaming. yeah, of course, of course weight. course about someone's weight. you shaming . i mean, you are fat shaming. i mean, i deliberately use the deliberately don't even use the word fat now for that very reason, and that's reason, but that's and that's part the reason that doctors reason, but that's and that's parwe're e reason that doctors reason, but that's and that's parwe're alleason that doctors reason, but that's and that's parwe're all terrified|t doctors reason, but that's and that's parwe're all terrified oroctors reason, but that's and that's parwe're all terrified of using are we're all terrified of using the is just the word fat, which is just adipose body tissue. >> that's what is . same. but >> that's what fat is. same. but i've had skinny shaming for years, it's okay to kind of , years, so it's okay to kind of, you know, i do get that. you know, shame. i do get that. but until we can be realistic about health issue, not about it as a health issue, not as appearance issue or about as an appearance issue or about body body body diversity or body glorification or body positivity, until we can talk about obesity as an actual health issue , we're not going to health issue, we're not going to get anywhere. >> but you and i, dawn could if we the times we've written the

story we've had this discussion about and the takeaway is that are by schools and nothing are right by schools and nothing ever changes. local planners are going fast food going to stop the fast food source , endless junk source deliveries, endless junk food . i parents driving the kids food. i parents driving the kids to school when they should walk or get on the bike. >> i must admit i can be a bit of a body fascist. i mean, i like my sport, i always have, and i've been very lucky in that way. but i will, you know, you go to the average supermarket and aisles aisles of and their aisles and aisles of stuff that nobody really needs to then you see little to eat. and then you see little kids their kids who are stuffing their faces food , and then faces with fast food, and then you the excuse, like, you hear the excuse, it's like, well is well, you know, there is a socioeconomic factor at play here. we can't afford to eat healthily. >> yeah, because it is the luton is fat capital of england is the fat capital of england and people are. and poorer people are. >> it's double the amount in this report. it's double the amount poorer people being amount of poorer people being admitted hospital . yeah we admitted to hospital. yeah we have admit that as well. but have to admit that as well. but i mean cheaper processed food. but a perfect storm, isn't but it's a perfect storm, isn't it? as much. it? we're not moving as much. everyone's behind their everyone's stuck behind their phones, hunched in their bedrooms. were bedrooms. whereas when we were little, we were running around

outside. we were. and cars, all of and deliveries and of that and deliveries and processed food. and it's just a perfect heading perfect storm. and we're heading the america has been. the way that america has been. >> do this ? >> emma, how do we fix this? >> emma, how do we fix this? >> get moving . eat real food. >> get moving. eat real food. i mean, where do we. where do we even start? >> learn to cook vegetables, but also stop, stop the constant snacking. >> don't treat the whole world like an airport. that like it's an airport. and that all is go from cafe to restaurant. >> it's a really important point. >> what you said there, >> what you just said there, andrew, now it's andrew, it is actually now it's actually going back to the bafics actually going back to the basics. mean , i'm fine basics. i mean, i'm a fine one to really am to talk, so i really am a rubbish in the kitchen. but learning to learning about nutrition, how nutrition, learning how to prepare learning how what prepare meals, learning how what is good for you and what isn't. and it's going fast and it's not going to the fast food joint. it might on the surface but it's surface be cheaper, but it's not. you can prepare not. i mean, you can prepare healthy meals, but we need to educate people. >> when i see young reporter, i was living in all these horrible bedsits in my first days and wokester reporter wokester young reporter and i had for me had a great book bought for me by my catherine how in a by my catherine how to cook in a bedsit. yes, was brilliant. bedsit. yes, it was brilliant. yeah, bedsit. yes, it was brilliant. yea because that bedsit. yes, it was brilliant. yeabecause that at uni. >> because i had that at uni. one hot plate or two, a little hot plate, you know, so you had

to and um, and there to be creative and um, and there wasn't processed food wasn't all the processed food and learnt to cook. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> maybe we should do it more in schools. do let us know what you think. com think. gb views gb news. com dawn. story in the dawn. there's a story in the telegraph about miss telegraph today about miss france. it's being of wokery. >> tell about it. i love the >> tell us about it. i love the story. i can't my head story. i can't get my head around this story. >> hair is long compared to >> my hair is long compared to what been entire life, what it has been my entire life, right? do hair. i'm the right? i don't do hair. i'm the world's so hair world's worst girl. um, so hair and friends. but this and me are not friends. but this is story france, miss is a story in france, miss france. been storm france. there's been a storm over miss france over the latest miss france because she has short hair and evidently beauty queens are meant to have luscious, long, flowing locks, as beautifully demonstrated by the very beautiful ellie here. but you know, ellie's hair is her choice . emma's is hers. mine is mine. .emma's is hers. mine is mine. and andrew, i'm not saying anything about yours, but yours is beautiful. >> it is gorgeous, darling. >> it is gorgeous, darling. >> but like it's >> no, but it's like it's ridiculous . we're 2023, and a ridiculous. we're 2023, and a woman short hair. woman can't have short hair. they're accusing her. they're accusing that she's accusing the fact that she's been miss france for been crowned miss france for woke . woke reasons. >> i don't understand it. >> i don't understand it. >> she's got short hair and

she's gorgeous. and she is gorgeous. she's gorgeous. beautiful obviously. >> can carry beautiful obviously. >> short can carry beautiful obviously. >> short and can carry beautiful obviously. >> short and some an carry beautiful obviously. >> short and some people' can't. >> yeah, she's got a lovely little and little delicate face. and i think you do have a little think when you do have a little delicate face, she's elfin and the suits the pixie cut really suits her. i a haircut i couldn't have a haircut like that, but they're saying it's not feminine. >> hello, audrey hepburn. >> hello, audrey hepburn. >> it >> yeah, yeah, that's what it reminds of. so little reminds me of. so true little elfin short hair. >> yeah elfin short hair. >> we're yeah elfin short hair. >> we're 2023. yeah elfin short hair. >> women 2023. yeah elfin short hair. >> women should yeah elfin short hair. >> women should be ah elfin short hair. >> women should be able to wear their hair whatever way they like. >> but also, just just get >> but also, i just i just get angry i want to live my angry because i want to live my life. reason hair tied angry because i want to live my lifetodayreason hair tied angry because i want to live my lifetoday isisoi'i hair tied angry because i want to live my lifetoday is because hair tied angry because i want to live my lifetoday is because lair tied angry because i want to live my lifetoday is because i said tied angry because i want to live my lifetoday is because i said iied angry because i want to live my lifetoday is because i said i was up today is because i said i was on bike. i cycled in right? on the bike. i cycled in right? i don't want to have to spend. we this we were talking about this beforehand. don't want to beforehand. i don't want to spend 12 hours a week in a beauty that's beauty salon. i don't. that's everybody's not beauty salon. i don't. that's everylto iy's not beauty salon. i don't. that's everylto waste not beauty salon. i don't. that's everylto waste my not beauty salon. i don't. that's everylto waste my life not beauty salon. i don't. that's everylto waste my life gettingt going to waste my life getting fake nails done and getting fake hair not. hair done. i'm not. >> could we could >> well, we could we could live our lives with fake nails. we'd be couldn't even our lives with fake nails. we'd be everywhere. |ldn't even cycle everywhere. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> changing a tire with, think >> changing a tire with, i think it's they still it's fascinating that they still have competitions. it's fascinating that they still have saying competitions. it's fascinating that they still have saying they petitions. >> i'm not saying they shouldn't. um i can't we shouldn't. um i can't do we still have missing them? is it a big event here? i wouldn't know, we do still have at kingdom we do still have it at kingdom

with we do still have it at kingdom witione was they actually make >> one was they actually make them. well, make them. i'm them. well, they make them. i'm sure the women are willing, but they have sort of like they actually have sort of like they actually have sort of like the well. so they actually have sort of like the like well. so they actually have sort of like the like we well. so they actually have sort of like the like we don't well. so they actually have sort of like the like we don't do well. so they actually have sort of like the like we don't do the well. so it's like we don't do the swimwear thing here as well. they all wearing matching they were all wearing matching golds. they looked stunning . golds. they all looked stunning. um, little outfits as um, but little skimpy outfits as well. so i don't think i must admit , you know, well. so i don't think i must admit, you know, as a feminist, it made me go, not entirely sure, yeah, she's gorgeous. sure, but yeah, she's gorgeous. she's got great hair. no, she's she's congratulations to >> and congratulations to her. uh, have a look at uh, emma, let's have a look at the independent, shall we? and it's the big story today, it's the big story of today, michelle and that michelle mone and that interview. she's in a very interesting are her interesting position, as are her lawyers as well, isn't she? >> because it sort of. i was made a scapegoat. i've never lied. i didn't pull the wool over anyone's eyes. but did over anyone's eyes. but i did lie, oh, i was lie, actually. oh, i was protecting she's saying lie, actually. oh, i was protdifferent. she's saying lie, actually. oh, i was protdifferent. well, she's saying lie, actually. oh, i was protdifferent. well, yeah. saying lie, actually. oh, i was protdifferent. well, yeah. no, ng ten different. well, yeah. no, i said the wrong thing. >> it's okay to lie to the press. but i was protecting my family, being made a family, and i'm being made a scapegoat. and this kind of, i think, straight think, get your story straight and stick it. and then stick to it. >> you know, remember >> it's like, you know, remember prince car crash? prince andrew's car crash?

>> it's the same one, isn't it? yeah. advisor up and yeah. same advisor comes up and 90, go, that's nothing. >> hold my champagne. me >> hold my champagne. let me have was have a go at this one. it was just like, ah. >> and you see. >> and you could see. >> and you could see. >> don't say anything. >> don't say anything. >> it was times it was. i was just why just incredulous. why are you doing this? >> andrew, why are you >> my dear andrew, why are you doing this? >> my dear andrew, why are you doiibecause every time >> my dear andrew, why are you doiiiopen se every time >> my dear andrew, why are you doiiiopen your every time >> my dear andrew, why are you doiiiopen your mouth,zvery time >> my dear andrew, why are you doiiiopen your mouth,zveryareie you open your mouth, you are drilling another into the coffin. >> yeah. laura kuenssberg face is like, oh my god, is gold. >> but also in a more serious level. she's admitting to basically to basically using the pandemic to get isn't she? get rich quick, isn't she? that's streeting was that's what wes streeting was saying. quick. he's saying. get rich quick. and he's and from is and wes streeting from labour is saying you got rich saying we want our. you got rich quick we want money back quick and we want our money back and wouldn't mind, but and you wouldn't mind, but the flipping defective. flipping ppe was defective. >> know had to >> yeah, i know all she had to do at the beginning was saying yes, we were linked this yes, we were linked to this company. because obviously yes, we were linked to this conallny. because obviously yes, we were linked to this conall needed because obviously yes, we were linked to this con all needed beca and obviously yes, we were linked to this con all needed beca and therersly yes, we were linked to this con all needed beca and there was yes, we were linked to this c(panic1eeded beca and there was yes, we were linked to this c(panic1eethe becaand there was a panic at the time panicking. >> yes. >> yes. >> so we supplied the government. thought were >> so we supplied the goverrthe nt. thought were >> so we supplied the goverrthe right thought were >> so we supplied the goverrthe right though'turnedere doing the right thing. it turned out defective. we out to be defective. we apologise for that. all she had to honest. to do was to just be honest. >> yeah, she lied. she lied >> yeah, so she lied. she lied and she still lied. >> and this woman is in the house that's, you know, house of lords that's, you know, that's the kind of break at the

moment, she on a break. moment, isn't she on a break. yeah, but she's been she's a baroness. that's we are baroness. that's what we are honounng baroness. that's what we are honouring in our system. >> time a was >> the last time a lord was chucked the house chucked out of the house of lords 1918. being lords was 1918. for being unpatriotic, were unpatriotic, thinking they were too army too close to the german army dunng too close to the german army during first world wash. during the first world wash. >> it was more recent >> i thought it was more recent that stripped. that someone was stripped. >> what you think. >> let us know what you think. should baroness mone be chucked >> let us know what you think. shoofi baroness mone be chucked >> let us know what you think. sho of the roness mone be chucked >> let us know what you think. sho of the house mone be chucked >> let us know what you think. shoof the house ofyne be chucked >> let us know what you think. sho of the house of lords?chucked >> let us know what you think. sho of the house of lords? let:ked out of the house of lords? let us after this us know. yes. after this a brighter with solar brighter outlook with boxt solar , of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. very good morning to you. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. we do have a relatively unsettled week of weather ahead of and that is weather ahead of us and that is starting these that starting with these fronts that are across great are sprawled across great swathes uk. so have swathes of the uk. so we do have some outbreaks of rain to contend with, particularly for western today. western areas throughout today. the be slightly the rain will be slightly lighter patchy lighter and patchy further towards east. some towards the east. even some early southeast early brightness for southeast england. will be england. but the cloud will be thickening here into the afternoon. breezy afternoon. a blustery, breezy day wales day for england and wales, but the be easing for the winds will be easing out for northern scotland as northern ireland and scotland as we see some sunshine northern ireland and scotland as we its see some sunshine northern ireland and scotland as we its way some sunshine northern ireland and scotland as we its way through. nshine northern ireland and scotland as we its way through. latere poking its way through. later

on, though, heavy showers on, though, a few heavy showers with hail, maybe in the far with some hail, maybe in the far northwest. later temperatures slightly above for slightly above average for the time of year. generally ranging between that between 10 and 13 c. that clearest lot of weather will push its way into parts of northern england. as we head into this evening, but we'll see the build once again as the cloud build once again as this moves way this area of rain moves its way in from the southwest, covering in from the southwest, covering in england and wales in a lot of england and wales overnight, some clearer spells and showers moving into and some showers moving into scotland and northern ireland. so it will be cooler night so it will be a cooler night here. 3 to 6 c but milder further towards the south and west, and it will be very wet west, and it will be a very wet start tuesday for england and start to tuesday for england and wales. travelling wales. quite a tricky travelling conditions but the conditions first thing, but the rain will eventually clear its way into the day and we'll way off into the day and we'll see sunny pushing in from see sunny spells pushing in from the northwest, still with a scattering those scattering of showers. those could higher could be wintry over the higher ground you'll ground of scotland and you'll see fresher see those fresher northwesterlies bringing in that cooler scotland , cooler conditions for scotland, northern ireland, northern england on england but still holding on to the for the the mild conditions for the southwest further as southwest. further showers as we head throughout the rest of the week. enjoy your by by that week. enjoy your day by by that warm feeling inside from boxt

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channel. channel good channel. good morning. it's 11 am. on monday the 18th of december. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with me, andrew pierce and ellie costello . ellie costello. >> pandemic profiteering baroness michelle mone admitted that she failed to reveal her links to a company that supplied ppe to the nhs during the pandemic , but she's set to pandemic, but she's set to receive £680 million profit. >> this only added that i have made is to say to the press that i wasn't involved . i don't i wasn't involved. i don't honestly see there's a case to answer . um, honestly see there's a case to answer. um, i can't see what we've done wrong . really we've done wrong. really >> we can. starmer's prescription the labour leader, sir keir starmer , has challenged sir keir starmer, has challenged the prime minister, put politics aside and put patients before non—doms to save the health service . service. >> weighing down the nhs hospital admission is linked to obesity, have doubled in the

past six years. more than 3000 people are admitted every single day and time up for xl bullies. >> there are less than two weeks until rishi sunak's ban comes into force. breeding, selling and rehoming would become illegal in england and wales. >> well do let us know your thoughts on any of the stories that we are talking about today, but especially that interview with baroness michelle mone. >> do you think when she looks back it, she thinks job well back on it, she thinks job well done or absolute disaster? i don't know, the mind baffles, doesn't ? doesn't it? >> let us know what you think. gb views at gb news.com. but first let's news headlines gb views at gb news.com. but first tatiana news headlines gb views at gb news.com. but first tatiana sanchezzadlines gb views at gb news.com. but first tatiana sanchez .|dlines with tatiana sanchez. >> ali, thank you very much. 11:01. this is the latest from the gb newsroom. a covid

contract which will see a former tory peer benefit from a £60 million profit, is putting new pressure on the government. baroness michelle mone told the bbc she made an error in publicly denying her links to firm medpro, which secured a £200 million deal to supply personal protection equipment dunng personal protection equipment during the pandemic. she says she contacted michael gove, who was chancellor of the duchy of lancaster at the time, because massive quantities of ppe was needed. massive quantities of ppe was needed . labour says he now has needed. labour says he now has questions to answer and lady mone should not be allowed to return to the house of lords conservative mp miriam cates is being investigated by parliament's standards watchdog. the member for penistone and stocksbridge is accused of causing significant damage to the reputation of the house. it's not clear what the claims relate to. she's one of eight mps currently being investigated by the standards commissioner. £1.5 billion of funding is being

put into government grant schemes to help keep households warm. it's part of the £6 billion energy efficiency package announced during the autumn statement . it's after the autumn statement. it's after the success of the £7,500 uplift to heat pump grants . the funding heat pump grants. the funding covers a three year period from 2025 to 2028. a new £400 million energy efficiency grant will also go to households to fund bigger radiators and better insulation, energy efficiency minister lord callanan told gb news the scheme will help with the rising energy costs. the reason that we're seeing such massive spikes in in prices is, is because our own supplies of oil and gas from the north sea are declining. >> we're having to import more and more. and you saw the massive price spike last winter caused by putin's invasion of ukraine. so we need to reduce our usage of imported and expensive fossil fuels . and expensive fossil fuels. and alongside our climate commitments , all of that points commitments, all of that points towards increased

electrification . electrification. >> two people are in hospital after a gas explosion at a home in blackburn. the incident happened just before 8:00 last night , with emergency services night, with emergency services responding to calls that a building had collapsed . cctv building had collapsed. cctv caught the moment of the blast. two people reportedly suffered minor injuries. lancashire police says nearby homes have been evacuated. it's urging people to avoid the area while while investigations continue . while investigations continue. to the foreign secretary is calling for the release of media tycoon and pro—democracy campaigner jemmy lai tycoon and pro—democracy campaignerjemmy lai as his landmark national security case begins . the 76 year old british begins. the 76 year old british citizens , charged with colluding citizens, charged with colluding with foreign forces to endanger national security . he faces national security. he faces a possible life sentence if convicted under a law imposed by china following the 2019 pro—democracy protests . lord pro—democracy protests. lord cameron has condemned the charges against mr lai, urging

chinese authorities to end the politically motivated prosecution . in london's public prosecution. in london's public transport system will receive £250 million worth of government support next year. £250 million worth of government support next year . transport for support next year. transport for london will use the investment for projects such as providing new tube trains for the piccadilly line. tfl is not allowed to spend the money on its day day operations. the its day to day operations. the rail minister says the investment have impact investment will have an impact for not just people in the caphal for not just people in the capital, but also the millions who every year . owners of who visit every year. owners of xl bullies have two weeks to make sure their dogs are legal. from december the 31st. they must be muzzled in public and it will be illegal to breed, sell or abandon them. in england and wales , owners have also been wales, owners have also been told they can ask a vet to put their pets down and claim compensation. the full ban on the breed comes into force on february 1st next year, but owners can apply for an exemption to keep their dogs and the festive getaway begins today

with 21 million uk carjourneys expected to be made between now and christmas eve . the rac says and christmas eve. the rac says just over 2 million trips will be made on thursday , and just be made on thursday, and just over 3 million on friday. around 13.5 million car journeys are expected between friday and december the 24th. that's up 20% from the same time last year. over the coming weekend, between midday and 2 pm. is expected to be the busiest time to travel on the roads, with drivers being warned to travel before or after peak times avoid gridlock. peak times to avoid gridlock. traffic this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to andrew and . ellie. >> well, let's see what you've been saying at home. a lot of you talking about the nhs and labour's plans to get more people nhs at people working in the nhs at weekends. says. please note weekends. ray says. please note most hospitals rent out most major hospitals rent out their and staff to their theatres and staff to private health providers at

weekends . they want to weekends. they won't want to lose bit on the side. very lose their bit on the side. very good very good point, ray. >> ken says quite simply, the nhs should be privatise immediately. >> good luck with that, ken. nobody's going to win a general election with that policy. let me tell it is the closest me tell you, it is the closest we've national religion i >> -- >> yeah, well, it's very, very true. steve why true. steve says why should weekend more weekend working be any more expensive if they're given enough should alter enough notice, they should alter their and shift patterns their rotas and shift patterns to weekend work as part to include weekend work as part of working week . of the normal working week. they've in all other they've done it in all other walks of work, lots of walks of work, and lots of emails still coming in about baroness mone , of course. yes, baroness mone, of course. yes, rob says, why are we even considering letting anyone keep any money from ppe that didn't work? if you buy anything that proves to be faulty at purchase, you get your money back. >> very point . well, do >> very good point. well, do like say join us in the like to say join us in the studios. um, sean bailey, who's a colleague of baroness mones in the lords, now the house of lords, um, now she's taken leave of absence, but she's still fully fledged but she's still a fully fledged member house of lords. member of the house of lords. sean, tried to tell in sean, she tried to tell us in the interview yesterday. she didn't declare any of

didn't need to declare any of her the of lords her money in the house of lords register, everybody knew register, because everybody knew complete um, there's complete rubbish. um, there's two things. >> fledged of the >> fully fledged member of the house would be someone house of lords would be someone who in my who attended and voted in my mind, been doing who attended and voted in my mind and been doing who attended and voted in my mind and we aen doing who attended and voted in my mind and we haveoing who attended and voted in my mind and we have a1g who attended and voted in my mind and we have a quite that. and look, we have a quite a strict set of rules. we have people who can advise you on these things, and you sit down and they'll you exactly and they'll tell you exactly what do in any given what you should do in any given situation. so how are anybody else? shouldn't else? shouldn't be, shouldn't have confusion on that. have too much confusion on that. with benefit of hindsight , with the benefit of hindsight, she would have known that she should have. she should do something. but the biggest should have. she should do somethirshe'dt the biggest should have. she should do somethirshe'd have,)iggest should have. she should do somethirshe'd have, iggest should have. she should do somethirshe'd have, i imagine, problem she'd have, i imagine, is if any is a minister. so if any ministers are implicated in this, their first thing they will is, well , this, their first thing they will is, well, i this, their first thing they will is, well , i wasn't will say is, well, i wasn't informed and she should have informed and she should have informed that minister who she sat because of sat in front of because of course, exposed whichever course, she's exposed whichever minister or she to a massive minister he or she to a massive amounts of danger in a very disingenous amounts of danger in a very di a1genous amounts of danger in a very di a problem. she could have is a problem. she could have coming along. >> do you that she should coming along. >> removed that she should coming along. >> removed “the she should coming along. >> removed “the house ould coming along. >> removed “the house ofld lords? >> look, as a member of the house of lords, it's not for me to say she should be removed or not. committee. i'm not. we have a committee. i'm sure parliament sure people in parliament will rattle their sabres. but

ultimately , what the government ultimately, what the government should on should be concentrating on is actually the actually recovering some of the money. because the most money. yeah because the most egregious part of this is that the ppe didn't work. yeah. and if you bought a pair of shoes and the heel snapped off, you'd take them back. would. yeah. take them back. you would. yeah. so i actually so at this point, i actually think that's the energy think that's where the energy should i in press should be. i know in the press it great sport to hunt it would be great sport to hunt her or whatever. people her down or whatever. people want to do. but really the pubuc want to do. but really the public concerned public should be more concerned about money about the huge sums of money spent was ineffective. >> let's just remind >> well, let's just remind ourselves that with little bit ourselves that with a little bit of from this interview, of a clip from this interview, michelle to michelle mone, speaking to the bbc at the weekend. >> michelle, feel like >> michelle, it does feel like the had to be dragged the truth has had to be dragged out here. >> not really. laura because the only thing i'd say to you is the only thing i'd say to you is the only made in is only area that i have made in is say to the press that i wasn't involved. i don't honestly see there's a case to answer. um i can't see what we've done wrong . can't see what we've done wrong. >> what do you make of that, sean? >>i sean? >> i mean, therein lies her problem. she cannot see what she's done wrong. i imagine there's government lawyer

she's done wrong. i imagine therejust government lawyer she's done wrong. i imagine therejust now rnment lawyer she's done wrong. i imagine therejust now making.awyer she's done wrong. i imagine therejust now making extensive right just now making extensive notes back that notes off the back of that interview who happily tell interview who quite happily tell her she's done wrong. and her what she's done wrong. and the as well, is she the other piece as well, is she has to at court of has to look at the court of pubuc has to look at the court of public opinion, the barrier, the fence, press to jump is fence, the press have to jump is very people make up their very low. people make up their minds on, and i'm minds very early on, and i'm sure they did. and the idea that she's protecting her family, actually, she's failed horrifically by not telling the truth, by giving the press a hare to chase. she now hare to chase. she has now exposed herself to many , many exposed herself to many, many months, this. months, possibly years of this. and as well. and her family as well. >> but of this >> but what of this extraordinary assertion? well i lied to the press. it's not a crime . doesn't matter if i lie crime. doesn't matter if i lie to the press. i was doing that to the press. i was doing that to protect my family. if she hadnt to protect my family. if she hadn't got involved in this dodgy there'd dodgy contract, there'd be no media the first media exposure in the first place. but a couple of things, sean. this. sean. the press exposed this. that's job. and secondly, if that's the job. and secondly, if you whether you lie to the press, whether you're this station, you're lying to this tv station, people the radio to or people listen on the radio to or to my newspaper, daily mail, to my newspaper, the daily mail, effectively, lying to the effectively, you're lying to the british public. >> no doubt you're >> there's no doubt that you're lying to the press and the british public. but of course it is. there's a huge opinion mixed

up but the real thing up in there. but the real thing she understand she needs to understand about the . if they sniff a lie, the press. if they sniff a lie, if they think there's a conspiracy, she, they conspiracy, she, as they say, isn't up that the press isn't the cock up that the press are interested in. it's the conspiracy. and she will now are interested in. it's the consthe cy. and she will now are interested in. it's the consthe cy. aweight will now are interested in. it's the consthe cy. aweight winourv feel the full weight of your papen feel the full weight of your paper. channel and many paper. this channel and many more around this because more outlets around this because she's interesting . she's made herself interesting. and most important thing and the most important thing she's the idea that she she's done is the idea that she still doesn't think she has anything to answer for. i think that's biggest problem. that's her biggest problem. >> lee, do you think that this interview, perhaps >> lee, do you think that this inte attitude perhaps >> lee, do you think that this inte attitude in perhaps >> lee, do you think that this inte attitude in interview her attitude in this interview has for has made things worse for baroness mone >> 100, and either her lawyers are complete lunatic or he he or she said, don't do this . there's she said, don't do this. there's no way what she did has made the situation any better. if you're sat at home, you were neutral. you've just thought to yourself, well, you've just told me you lied was was to lied to me. i was i was to prepared give the benefit of prepared give you the benefit of the you've lied to me. if the doubt. you've lied to me. if you're someone against it. you're someone who's against it. he just confirmed he said she's just confirmed that someone you that she's not someone that you probably support. probably would want to support. and ultimately, this and ultimately, if this does land the government land in court, if the government do drag her to court, they'll have say about do drag her to court, they'll havethis say about do drag her to court, they'll

havethis deal say about do drag her to court, they'll havethis deal came say about do drag her to court, they'll havethis deal came about|bout do drag her to court, they'll havethis deal came about in ut do drag her to court, they'll havethis deal came about in the how this deal came about in the first place. and that's when she'll minister who she'll set any minister who thought doing job thought he was doing his job against be against her and that could be a problem, because what she actually because she's a member of there was of the house of lords, there was a fast track. >> so she pick up the >> so she could pick up the phone, straight through to phone, get straight through to a minister. we this minister minister. we know this minister in michael gove, in particular was michael gove, who to for who was part of the call to for ministers handling whole ministers handling the whole pandemic. why pandemic. and she said, why don't look at this company? don't you look at this company? because now my because they could supply now my understanding michael gove understanding is michael gove passed on then to the civil passed that on then to the civil service, you'd expect. service, as you'd expect. and they're who the they're the ones who do the higher ring of and higher ring of firing and deciding contracts , not deciding on contracts, not michael nevertheless michael gove, but nevertheless michael gove, but nevertheless michael gove, but nevertheless michael gove now will be under a huge pressure from the labour party. you can smell blood . party. you can smell blood. >> i don't think michael gove will be under any pressure because he because he did his job. >> yeah, he would have looked at that that all the that and assumed that all the processes before it comes to him were place. were in place. >> yeah. people designed were in place. >> vip]. people designed were in place. >> vip lane, people designed were in place. >> vip lane, theyle designed were in place. >> vip lane, theyle getiesigned the vip lane, they will get looked at they some will say looked at and they some will say to look, you to be to them, look, you need to be part going back to baroness part of going back to baroness mone and finding out what actually unfortunately mone and finding out what act michael, unfortunately mone and finding out what actmichael, was1fortunately mone and finding out what actmichael, was1fort|doingy for michael, he was just doing his highly pressured

his job in a highly pressured environment things to his job in a highly pressured enydelivered things to his job in a highly pressured enydelivered quickly. to be delivered very quickly. so i think he could sort of step back and say, look, there's a system here. and responded the here. and i responded to the system, ultimately the system, but ultimately the government forget baroness mone for a minute. forget michael government forget baroness mone for a |forget. forget michael government forget baroness mone for a |forget. forget mi else. gove, forget everybody else. huge spent on huge amounts of money spent on something very something that was very ineffective. get ineffective. let's try to get some money the some of that money back. the sort celebrity end of this, sort of celebrity end of this, the red top end of this will be this is a public figure who suggested she had nothing to do with it, then says has had with it, then says she has had something do with it, then something to do with it, then says she protecting her says she was protecting her family. who's failed to protect her in her family. and i give it in that scattergun because that very scattergun way because that's lay. that's where her problems lay. and should in court, and should this end in court, her lawyer will rerun this her lawyer will will rerun this interview for her 100 times and say, you should not have done this. if her lawyer is this. and if her lawyer is watching and condone this, she needs to get a new lawyer . needs to get a new lawyer. >> point, sean. >> very good point, sean. >> very good point, sean. >> we've got you wanted >> whilst we've got you wanted to ask you about esther mcvey, formerly parish and her formerly of this parish and her war woke. what you make this? >> first and foremost, esther mcvey is one the stars of mcvey is one of the stars of parliament. i agree, when i was in number 10, i begged and

begged and begged for them to make minister because begged and begged for them to makfeel minister because begged and begged for them to makfeel like ninister because begged and begged for them to makfeel like she.ter because begged and begged for them to makfeel like she has3ecause begged and begged for them to makfeel like she has acause begged and begged for them to makfeel like she has a handle just feel like she has a handle on what people are thinking on what real people are thinking and we talk about a war on and look, we talk about a war on woke, but it's ridiculous. we're in. place where in. we're in a place now where children and children can go to school and say they're a furry. you know, we're in place where, we're in a place where, where, where you can can change where you can you can change your and as a male your sex. and as a rape male rapist end up a female rapist end up in a female prison. yeah. so we absolutely need on and ironic need a war on woke. and ironic thing people that we thing is, the people that we most defending from is most need defending from is officialdom. it's governments. it's it's departments it's schools. it's departments of the civil service. so actually having a minister who's focussed on these issues, i think could be the best thing that's happened to the country for a long time. >> i think it is. and one of the things that me when i read things that hit me when i read her article in the mail today, i couldn't believe it. these local authority have been paying people from paying people to work from home, paying their cost of their heating bills at a cost of 450,000. if you want to 450,000. sorry if you want to work from home, pay your own heating bill mate. don't expect long suffering council tax payers to have to pay it . payers to have to pay it. >> but here's the problem, isn't it? have a civil service

it? we have a civil service that's determined to work from home it's as home and so it's not as productive not giving the productive not giving us the value that paid and value that we paid for. and then we country very we have a country that's very expensive of the expensive to run. many of the councils around this country are bankrupt. if you looked at what they were doing, you might have to yourself, it any to ask yourself, is it any wonder should be wonder no council should be paying wonder no council should be paying heating bills wonder no council should be payworking heating bills wonder no council should be payworking homeieating bills wonder no council should be payworking home because lls wonder no council should be payworking home because as for working at home because as you know, they wouldn't pay your your travel into no. you your travel into work? no. you know all of these these subsidies. but the real problem is they're becoming the norm. and what we need to push and that's what we need to push against. >> sean bailey. lord bailey, against. >> syis�*n bailey. lord bailey, against. >> syis yourley. lord bailey, against. >> syis your title ord bailey, against. >> syis your title by bailey, against. >> syis your title by the ley, against. >> syis your title by the way? what is your title by the way? >> i'm lord bailey of paddington. paddington >> parish. yes. paddington. paddington >>this parish. yes. paddington. paddington >>this parish. parish. yes. of this parish. >> born in the old patterson hospital . hosphal >> nice, nice. hosphal >> nice, >> very nice, very nice. and you enjoying the lords? >> tremendous >> the lords is a tremendous privilege a challenge. privilege and a challenge. and it's just an opportunity to do more the people more work for the people of this country. i'm really enjoying it. >> good. well, you're you're an asset you really asset to the lords. you really are. baroness mone. asset to the lords. you really are.well, baroness mone. asset to the lords. you really are.well, let'sroness mone. asset to the lords. you really are.well, let's go ass mone. asset to the lords. you really are.well, let's go back one. >> well, let's go back to baroness michelle mone, shall we? conservative for we? now a conservative mp for lincoln, mccartney. lincoln, carl mccartney. very good morning, good to see you this morning, carl . sure caught the carl. i'm sure you caught the interview the weekend and interview over the weekend and i

lied about covid deal, but i've done nothing wrong with words of baroness michelle mone. what did you of it ? you make of it? >> uh, i'm going to echo what, uh, lord bailey. >> uh, sean has , uh, some of us >> uh, sean has, uh, some of us know, um, has just said and, um, badly if she took that badly advised if she took that advice at all. and if her lawyer told her that doing that interview was a good thing to do, then needs to get do, then she needs to get a different lawyer. um yeah. she's do, then she needs to get a differesomevyer. um yeah. she's do, then she needs to get a differesome mistakes, 'eah. she's do, then she needs to get a differesome mistakes, and she's do, then she needs to get a differesome mistakes, and she 's made some mistakes, and she needs to come clean. otherwise, as , um, has just been as, um, sean has just been telling your viewers, telling you and your viewers, um, the media, the press are just going to keep hounding her, andifs just going to keep hounding her, and it's not going to go away. and the sooner the government recoups of that money, the recoups some of that money, the better. concerned. better. as far as i'm concerned. >> uncomfortable, >> and are you uncomfortable, carl? because i certainly am, that made were able to make that they made were able to make such a time such a large profit at a time when country's in the grip when the country's in the grip of the worst pandemic since asian flu in 1918, or something, and £200 million contract, they got £60 million. and then we find out the ppe is defective.

anyway >> um, huge sums of money. you're exactly right, andrew. and it's, um, you know, nobody's adverse against people who make profit, but actually, this was making amounts money for making vast amounts of money for not much other than not doing too much other than signing pieces of paper and as sean there there sean just said, there was there was lane. yes, was, yes, the vip lane. yes, there was , um, you know, contact there was, um, you know, contact with then minister at the with the then minister at the time, gove . um, who will time, michael gove. um, who will have passed on to, the have passed it on to to, the appropriate civil servants who will have done will then presumably have done their due diligence, whether they've done that due diligence correctly . i'm not a, um, correctly. i'm not a, um, liberty to say because i wasn't obviously involved in that at all, if you like. i'm a lowly backbencher and it's well above my pay backbencher and it's well above my pay grade, you'd expect my pay grade, but you'd expect that would have done that somebody would have done proper due diligence. yes, at the time , um, those in the time, um, those in government and those in the civil service and those in charge of procurement were desperately looking for you know, ppe from, you know , from know, ppe from, you know, from various different sources , uh, various different sources, uh, from where they could, could get what, what you'd hoped would have good quality ppe have been good quality ppe stuff. this doesn't seem to

stuff. um this doesn't seem to have been that so . so, you know, have been that so. so, you know, whatever contract was signed, you'd that you'd expect some clauses that were, uh, included in there that would have said, if it's not up to scratch, if it's not fit for purpose , then you'll having purpose, then you'll be having it we'll have our money it back and we'll have our money back. on back. thank you very much. on behalf british taxpayer. behalf of the british taxpayer. >> you say, these >> well, carl, as you say, these questions are now going to be asked, aren't they? of those in government, those in the procurement we procurement teams. and also we know agency know that national crime agency are in are looking into this. but in the meantime , how do think the meantime, how do you think this is down in the court this is going down in the court of opinion? because we of public opinion? because we heard didn't we, from baroness michelle monaghan , from her michelle monaghan, from her husband, they admitted they'd had a good return. they'd made £60 million worth in profit. they also spoke about the yacht, which they said this hadn't paid for their yacht, but we did see those, those pictures of, of that yacht in the middle of a very difficult time for lots of people , cost of living crisis people, cost of living crisis and at same time saying and also at the same time saying they've done nothing but they've done nothing wrong, but they've done nothing wrong, but they the british they have lied to the british press. how do you think that's gone british public? >> um, the verbal, um, bucket of

sick. i think it's gone down with the great british public and members of parliament like myself, who perhaps live a little closer to reality than those um, who deal with those who, um, who deal with those who, um, who deal with those sums of money and expect that, you know, making £60 million on a £200 million contract, if those are the correct figures, um, seems to be normal . uh, i correct figures, um, seems to be normal. uh, i won't say a normal day's work because it doesn't seem like hard work to me . um, seem like hard work to me. um, however long it took to get that contract. it's contract. but, um. yeah, it's not it's not. living in the world of reality is it? so, you know, they need to take a deep breath and, um, think perhaps , breath and, um, i think perhaps, uh, with the aid of whether it's new lawyers or better lawyers , new lawyers or better lawyers, uh, and maybe some pr advisers , uh, and maybe some pr advisers, um, make sure that they pay back what they what they should pay back the british back to the great british taxpayer who ultimately is the one that suffered at this point in time. and as sean was in time. and yes, as sean was saying, there's lots of other issues swirling around that. but actually the government needs to certainly chase some, chase them and involved in, um , that

and those involved in, um, that contract in making sure that because because the ppe wasn't fit for purpose , the british fit for purpose, the british seas its money back . seas its money back. >> carl, we had you on a couple of weeks ago talking about your ludicrous local labour council cancelling the christmas market in lincoln. one of the most, the oldest, the most successful in the country. and they cancelled it they thought it would it because they thought it would be too popular too many be too popular and too many people is still people there. is it still cancelled you managed cancelled or have you managed to knock sense into knock some common sense into their head ? their head? >> we're trying to knock >> well, we're trying to knock some sense them. i we some common sense in them. i we are we started a campaign, i think you know, and of think as you know, and part of that me coming in to that process was me coming in to talk to you and talking to lots of other media as well. and i'm not the only various not the only one. various different businesses, organisations, um, across the city actually organisations, um, across the city the actually organisations, um, across the city the county actually organisations, um, across the city the county have|ally organisations, um, across the city the county have joined across the county have joined our know, basically our call to, you know, basically get make sure that, get together and make sure that, you this time next year, you know, this time next year, lincoln a christmas lincoln does have a christmas market. it is one of the oldest in country, over 40 years in the country, over 40 years worth. and actually was worth. and actually it was labour went over labour councillors who went over to um, twin city

to our, our um, twin city nordstadt germany that nordstadt over in germany that brought back to back to brought the idea back to back to lincoln, know, 40 years lincoln, you know, 40 odd years ago. um lincoln suffered from from not having a christmas market this year. fair to market this year. fair play to those put various those people who put various different things into different things on into the county and, you know, county council and, you know, put on some good events in side the castle in the centre of lincoln, but actually lincoln and um, the populist, if you like, my constituents. um have been a little bit more than disappointed with the labour city council's decision not just to cancel the christmas . market to cancel the christmas. market >> oh, it looks as though we're having a few technical issues there with carl mccartney. but we got the idea, didn't we? >> we'd love to read a statement from council. the council from the council. the council has we simply not has said we simply could not continue delivering event continue delivering an event that has been deemed significant risk to public safety. ridiculous >> was carl >> well, that was carl mccartney, their conservative mp of you very much of lincoln. thank you very much for time and sorry about for his time and sorry about those there. those technical issues there. now, come, britain's now, still to come, britain's obesity crisis is costing us nearly £100 billion a year. is it time to start treating it

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isabel monday to thursdays from. six till 930. >> you know those dogs, those xl bully dogs were the owners are being urged to make sure they're ready to comply with new restrictions , which into restrictions, which come into force this month. force at the end of this month. >> yes, the message comes with less weeks the less than two weeks before the deadune

less than two weeks before the deadline keeping dogs deadline for keeping bully dogs on lead and muzzled when in on a lead and muzzled when in public, become illegal to breed them, sell , advertise, gift them, sell, advertise, gift exchange , abandon or let xl exchange, abandon or let xl bully dogs stray from that date . bully dogs stray from that date. well, we're joined now by dangerous dog trainer and expert in dog aggression , john gardner. in dog aggression, john gardner. very good to see you. this morning, john. so, i mean, the clock is ticking, isn't it, for xl bully and their if xl bully and their owners. if theyif xl bully and their owners. if they if you do own an xl bully, what needs to be done before the sist what needs to be done before the 31st of december for so before the 31st of december where you need to make sure that your dog is microchipped. >> you need to make sure that it's neutered, that it's muzzled when it goes out on a lead in pubuc when it goes out on a lead in public that your garden has secure boundaries around it, around it, capable of containing your dog. and you know when you go out, it needs to be on a lead and under control. >> um, john, what about those people who will argue, um , my people who will argue, um, my dogisnt people who will argue, um, my dog isn't an xl bully dog. yeah,

that isn't that one of the problems with this sort of legislation ? ian. yeah it's legislation? ian. yeah it's going to be very difficult to enforce it. >> obviously , the government has >> obviously, the government has drawn up a list of guidelines to identify what an xl bully is. um, but there are a lot of similarities between breeds and the xl bully isn't registered by the xl bully isn't registered by the kennel club , so there isn't the kennel club, so there isn't an actual specific standard that, um, you can follow apart from the one that's been given by the government at the moment. >> then doesn't that leave a loophole there where we could still see xl bully dogs in the country, and we're seeing videos on the screen now, and dogs attacking other dogs and humans as, yeah , it's very difficult. as, yeah, it's very difficult. >> we've got clients coming to us now whose dogs i wouldn't consider to be an xl bully, but they're concerned, given certain similarities in how their dogs look. they're just really

concerned that they're , uh, concerned that they're, uh, look, if they are , um, accosted look, if they are, um, accosted in the street or whatever , that in the street or whatever, that they're complying with the laws , they're complying with the laws, even though their dog isn't an xl bully. so they're getting their dogs muzzle trained. they're getting them trained on a lead, etc. so it is causing a lot of concern. and we have a lot of concern. and we have a lot of concern. and we have a lot of clients that, as i say , lot of clients that, as i say, aren't xl bully owners , but they aren't xl bully owners, but they might own a bully type dog like a pocket bully. for example . a pocket bully. for example. paul a pocket bully. for example. paul. um, and they feel like they're getting swept up in it . they're getting swept up in it. >> john, i was going to ask you what do you say to those people who , don't blame the dog? who say, don't blame the dog? the xl bully dog, blame the owner ? owner? >> i, i think this is this is, um , i think there are small all um, i think there are small all these attacks have come from a small minor rmt. um of dogs and owners. i think they are into linked, um, you know , this isn't

linked, um, you know, this isn't my saying . this is an american my saying. this is an american trainer saying. but it's very true . some dogs can be owned by true. some dogs can be owned by anyone. true. some dogs can be owned by anyone . some dogs can only be anyone. some dogs can only be owned by certain people. and maybe those certain people have helped with, uh, from trainers like ourselves . and sadly, some like ourselves. and sadly, some dogs can't be owned by anyone . dogs can't be owned by anyone. so yeah , i think that kind of so yeah, i think that kind of sums it up. really >> um, and john, in your work , >> um, and john, in your work, especially in the next few weeks, i imagine you're very, very busy with lots of xl bully owners. how are they feeling as these new rules come into place ? these new rules come into place? >> i think i think for the most part, they're devastated . the part, they're devastated. the problem is, i think it's difficult to know how many xl bullies there are in the country. you know , it goes from country. you know, it goes from 10,000 to 15,000. so if we split the difference and say 12,500 xl bullies in the country and just over 4000 at the moment have been registered for exemption, you know , that's less than half.

you know, that's less than half. but those 4000 that have been registered for exemption have been registered by, by the kind of responsible law abiding dog owners. um, i don't think that the majority of those are the type of people whose dogs have caused these horrible attacks that have led to this ban . it's that have led to this ban. it's somewhere in the other . 6 to somewhere in the other. 6 to 10,000 that that these dogs and owners have come from. so so look, some of our clients have got some behavioural issues with their dogs, which we've worked on and helped them with. but for the most part , um, sadly, the most part, um, sadly, they're the dogs we're working with. are really nice dogs. as i say , the ones that have caused say, the ones that have caused the attacks , whilst they're the attacks, whilst they're horrific , they are in the horrific, they are in the minority of this breed . minority of this breed. >> all right. >> all right. >> difficult issue, isn't it?

very difficult john, thank you so much. >> that's john gardner who's a dog expert and specialises in dog expert and specialises in dog aggression. thanks for that. and just to remind you, if you do have bully, you've got do have an xl bully, you've got to get all this done december to get all this done by december the 31st. yeah >> now still come weighing >> now still to come weighing down nhs hospital admissions down the nhs hospital admissions unked down the nhs hospital admissions linked to obesity have doubled in six years. more than 3000 people a day are admitted . people a day are admitted. that's more than smoking . that that's more than smoking. that and much more after your morning news with tatiana . ali. news with tatiana. ali. >> thank you very much. 1131 this is the latest from the gb news room. the prime minister says he takes the scandal surrounding baroness michelle mone seriously . lee, mone incredibly seriously. lee, dunng mone incredibly seriously. lee, during a trip to scotland , rishi during a trip to scotland, rishi sunak, said he can't comment further because there's an ongoing investigation , a covid ongoing investigation, a covid contract which will see the former tory peer benefit from a £60 million profit, is putting new pressure on the government, with calling for michael with mps calling for michael gove, was chancellor of the

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and people that i knew had dewbs & co weeknights from six. >> the time is 1038, with britain's newsroom on gb news with 11. oh, sorry. i always get the timing. >> you're just having such a lovely time, aren't you? >> time with lovely >> a lovely time with lovely ellie. it's 1130 britain's ellie. it's1130 and britain's newsroom andrew newsroom with me. i'm andrew pierce ellie costello. >> hospital admissions >> yes. now hospital admissions unked >> yes. now hospital admissions linked have doubled linked to obesity have doubled in years to more than 3000 in six years to more than 3000 people day . say being admitted people a day. say being admitted into hospital. it really does highlight the extent of britain's weight problem. >> but we're going to see what can about this, former can be done about this, former presenter of fat families is steve miller. >> no stranger to this program, and going talk and we're also going to talk to the chairman national the chairman of the national obesity go obesity forum, tam fry. let's go to you um uh, steve, what to you first. um uh, steve, what do you make of this ? you're do you make of this? you're a bit of a fattest, aren't you? >> well , i'm bit of a fattest, aren't you? >> well, i'm not a fattest. i mean, people accuse me often of

fat shaming. i actually think i'm a life. i'm a life saver, not fat shamer. but what we've not a fat shamer. but what we've donein not a fat shamer. but what we've done in this country of course, is developed. um, well, done in this country of course, is developed. um, well , we've is developed. um, well, we've developed a culture where it's kind of cool now to be a jelly belly jumbo. to be quite honest with you. we on the one hand say to everybody , it's really to everybody, it's really important to manage your health and weight. then . on and manage your weight. then. on the other hand, we have this culture that celebrates fat that actually says, no, no, no, it's wonderful. we have fat wonderful. we even have fat pride where people together pride where people get together and love their curves, and they love their curves, which actually means love your fat . this is our biggest problem fat. this is our biggest problem . um, what we love to do, of course, in the uk is come up with lots of excuses. we like to blame the government. we like to blame the government. we like to blame the government. we like to blame the food manufacturers , blame the food manufacturers, when in fact what we should be doing is pointing the finger at ourselves . ourselves. >> tom fry are we celebrating our fatness? no i hope not. >> i think that mr miller is

absolutely wrong . we have got a absolutely wrong. we have got a government that is, or successive government since the year 2000 that have done absolutely nothing for obesity and therefore we have the problem we have because of the government's own indolence , as government's own indolence, as it was told in two thousand and seven, that ought to have, uh, to blame people themselves of having no responsibility on what they eat. uh, is totally wrong . they eat. uh, is totally wrong. >> they've got to eat. >> they've got to eat. >> and the food which is available is less than healthy. i welcome very much victoria atkins resolve to, uh, make introduce healthy living. >> but she's going to have a real problem because she's married to a sugar tycoon . married to a sugar tycoon. >> and sugar is the greatest ill for obesity . and i find it very for obesity. and i find it very difficult to understand how the government is going to take on obesity . obesity. >> when the health minister herself. uh recuses herself from the argument .

the argument. >> but i'm a bit of nanny state coming in from you here. shouldn't people take some responsibility themselves for what they eat? they don't have to eat. uh processed food. they could vegetables, which could buy some vegetables, which are . and if they are quite cheap. and if they don't know how to cook them , uh, don't know how to cook them, uh, look on the internet look it up on the internet because have to because you don't even have to buy book anymore. because you don't even have to buy think book anymore. because you don't even have to buy think that'sok anymore. because you don't even have to buy think that's a; anymore. because you don't even have to buy think that's a verymore. >> i think that's a very simplistic view of life . we have simplistic view of life. we have millions of families who don't know how to cook because they were never taught to cook in schools , and it is also true to schools, and it is also true to say that buying vegetables is more expensive and in this cost of living crisis , the people of living crisis, the people will go for the cheapest option because they've got to feed themselves somehow, right, steve? >> what what do you make of that then? is it a simplistic view of life to go to the shop and, and buy vegetables instead of burger? >> well, i mean, tam's been blaming the government for quite a few years . um, blaming the government for quite a few years. um, i think blaming the government for quite a few years . um, i think that's a few years. um, i think that's garbage. i think the reality is, when you look deep into it, actually eating healthier can be

cheaper.i actually eating healthier can be cheaper. i think the actually eating healthier can be cheaper . i think the way the cheaper. i think the way the government could help actually, is to partner with the supermarkets and to proactively promote you know, cheaper foods , promote you know, cheaper foods, especially in poorer areas. and i get that and i would support that. but what we're missing here is the responsibility factor in japan , for example, factor in japan, for example, they are big on the responsibility factor. their obesity rate is around 6. ours is over 20. and the reason for thatis is over 20. and the reason for that is we've got into this sort of fat pride mentality where it's cool to be fat . and, you it's cool to be fat. and, you know, if you ever talk about how wrong it is to be fat, you're called a fat shamer. well, i don't agree with that. i think we have to be much more direct, and we have to be much more straight talking. this straight talking. and this country, its new kind country, because of its new kind of trendy woke culture, is all too namby pamby. of trendy woke culture, is all too namby pamby . we're too namby pamby. we're frightened to talk about it and be a bit more direct. yes, support people, but people need to support themselves as well.

>> tam, do you is it one of the answers in your book, tax, tax, unhealthy food? um, of course it's going to be the cheaper food, which the poorer families are buying. but is that one of the solutions you would advocate? >> well, one, this particular solution is not to tax the food, but to levy the industry that produces the food. the sugary dnnks produces the food. the sugary drinks industry levy in 2018 worked terrifically because the government decided that it was the industry which was the villain. they said if you take sugar out of your fizzy drinks, we will not levy you. but if you don't , we will levy you greatly don't, we will levy you greatly and what the sugar industry did was to get around that boardroom tables and say how stupid that we should pay the government lots of money. we'll take sugar out of our drinks , and they've out of our drinks, and they've taken an enormous amount of sugan taken an enormous amount of sugar, and that is already having beneficial effects . i'd having beneficial effects. i'd like to just reply to mr miller, if i may . he's like to just reply to mr miller, if i may. he's raised the issue

of japan , and he's absolutely of japan, and he's absolutely true . japan. no problem with true. japan. no problem with their obesity. but what they did in 2008 was to introduce a law and the law said, you will measure your waste every year , measure your waste every year, and if it doesn't fall within prescribed boundaries , your prescribed boundaries, your employer will be fined. what happened ? employers started to happened? employers started to have exercise classes in their homes , in their workplaces , and homes, in their workplaces, and the japanese measured each other and they have now 6% as opposed to 20 odd percent. and that is the way to go about it. you need to have intervention from from government in order to make things, uh , in order to make things, uh, in order to make people do what is required. okay >> that is the chairman of the national obesity forum, tam fry, and also the former presenter of fat families, steve miller. thank you very much for debating that with us this morning. thank you very much indeed.

>> well, they're back . the panel >> well, they're back. the panel is back. emma woolf and dawn neesom . neesom. >> you sound so thrilled to have us back. >> always true . we're back. always. >> we've talked about fat stuff already. >> we did? yes and, um, i think what what was being said was, was making an awful lot of sense. i think that we are so frightened to have this conversation, aren't we? that's the issue with this. >> yes. well, as you said, steve, said he's been steve, steve said he's been accused fat shaming. steve, steve said he's been acc well, fat shaming. steve, steve said he's been achell, instantly�*ning. steve, steve said he's been acc well, instantly �*ningget he >> well, instantly you get he says shame. says i'm not a fat shame. >> i'm life saver. i think >> i'm a life saver. i think that's brilliant. very good to steal because i don't think steal it because i don't think anyone pretend that anyone would would pretend that being being overweight anyone would would pretend that beaig being overweight anyone would would pretend that bea happy being overweight anyone would would pretend that bea happy place eing overweight anyone would would pretend that bea happy place tog overweight anyone would would pretend that bea happy place to be.yerweight anyone would would pretend that bea happy place to be. it's eight anyone would would pretend that bea happy place to be. it's not|t is a happy place to be. it's not as is telling as though anyone is telling anyone about living a anyone off. it's about living a happy and more mobile, more active lifestyle . and that's active lifestyle. and that's a good thing. and it is about personal responsibility. >> you can blame, just blame the government. >> you can. >> you can. >> yeah, well, you can blame the government things government for a lot of things in this country. but not what you in your mouth. exactly you put in your mouth. exactly when responsibility when did we lose responsibility for behaviour? now blame for our own behaviour? now blame personal responsibility for everything . personal,

responsible. >> and think made >> well, and i think covid made that a problem that even more of a problem because culture because the dependency culture hand money. money, think, hand out money. money, think, think for me, andrew. >> the government would literally telling us how to walk down the street, how to walk around the supermarket. >> yeah, i mean, >> yeah, exactly. i mean, it was ridiculous. they ridiculous. and in wales, they even closed some supermarket aisles down because they didn't even closed some supermarket aislesitiown because they didn't even closed some supermarket aislesitiown appropriate ey didn't even closed some supermarket aislesitiown appropriate ey dyout think it was appropriate for you to alcohol at one to be buying alcohol at one point. at one point. >> yeah. that was disastrous. >> yeah. that was disastrous. >> well, let us know you >> well, do let us know what you make of that story. do we need >> well, do let us know what you m'be of that story. do we need >> well, do let us know what you m'be moreat story. do we need >> well, do let us know what you m'be more straight do we need >> well, do let us know what you m'be more straight talking?aed to be more straight talking? what solution what do you think the solution is tackle the obesity crisis? is to tackle the obesity crisis? vaiews@gbnews.com. dawn, vaiews@gbnews.com. now dawn, you've got a story in the guardian as ari this morning teacher guidance on gender. tell us a bit more. >> how long have we been waiting for this dawn? >> a long time talking and we're waiting more. is a 12 waiting a lot more. this is a 12 week consultation period . week consultation period. another one spring. so it's not actually honest to actually another one. honest to god, is teachers will not god, this is teachers will not have to flag pupils who ask about gender. and this can include school children . include primary school children. um schools be expected to um schools will be expected to inform parents if children tell staff to take steps inform parents if children tell

staff actuallyo take steps inform parents if children tell staff actually physically)s towards actually physically transitioning , but if you've got transitioning, but if you've got a primary school child who wants to be called steve rather than sue or sue rather than steve, teachers do not have to inform the parents. >> but this is guidance and the trouble is going to be dawn. uh, people say, well, that's people will say, well, that's only can't they only guidance. why can't they just is what's going to just say this is what's going to happen? we the government . happen? we are the government. we're decision because we're making a decision because you've a problem we're making a decision because you'\kemi a problem we're making a decision because you'\kemi badenoch a problem we're making a decision because you'\kemi badenoch is| problem we're making a decision because you'\kemi badenoch is supporting with kemi badenoch is supporting our, um, actually parents being involved, but she isn't willing to take on the equality laws at the moment. >> so that's why there's another consultation period. >> yeah, of course, of course, yeah. >> more consultation, but at least it's a terribly. who are we talking about here? we're talking of talking about the well—being of children. i just all children. yeah. i just think all of this is such a horribly confusing and harmful environment up environment to bring children up in they're the in telling them they're in the wrong no let's teach them wrong body. no let's teach them love, acceptance , difference. love, acceptance, difference. >> boys are boys . >> boys are boys. >> boys are boys. >> girls are girls. boys are boys. girls are girls. you can love who you want. and we love everybody. none of this everybody. and none of this stuff about you're in the wrong

body. to your body. you need to change your name. to start dressing name. you need to start dressing differently. what a confusing world seven old or world for a seven year old or ten 15 year old. as ten year old or 15 year old. as a parent, as a parent, emma, how does make you feel that your does it make you feel that your little in an little one is growing up in an education where education system where they could questions such as could ask questions such as that, ask that, or they could ask questions something else? that, or they could ask que heyns something else? that, or they could ask que he could something else? that, or they could ask que he could be. |ething else? that, or they could ask que he could be. and 1g else? that, or they could ask que he could be. and goingz? that, or they could ask que he could be. and going by the >> he could be. and going by the name of lulu, and i'd be calling him ludo. name of lulu, and i'd be calling hinthiso. name of lulu, and i'd be calling hinthis is outrage. rageous >> this is outrage. rageous parents know parents have a right to know everything going on everything that is going on in their world. you their child's little world. you don't happening don't know what's happening with your or at nursery. >> and how can you help if you don't know? as a parent? i mean support them and talk them through it. >> it's your child. not >> it's your child. it's not the it's not the school. >> the guidance is >> i think the guidance is saying must saying that parents must be told if child's gender is going if the child's gender is going to be changed school, to be changed at school, if they're have they're going to have a different pronoun. >> that's just >> well, i mean, that's just guidance. that's that's guidance. that's not that's not that know, that clear either. no. you know, they be if the they have to be informed if the child is physically wanting to transfer from transition but not whether to use whether they want to use pronouns are confused about pronouns or are confused about their gender, but just the whole idea of a child wanting to transition, child wanting to transition.

>> you're a child. >> you're a child. >> a child doesn't do that. this nonsense is coming from adults. it's coming from schools . it's it's coming from schools. it's coming incredibly coming from this incredibly ludicrous woke agenda. children don't say that. children don't come up with this idea of transitioning. no, this is very trendy. >> it is very trendy. and it's like like, will it go out like it's like, will it go out of yes, it will, of course it >> yes, it will, of course it will. look, if a child has any kind of emotional issues, the teacher and the parents need to get together and talk to the child about it. that's that's as far as it goes. >> emma, you've got a story in the for us. the bbc the telegraph for us. the bbc are in trouble with the tories after maloney after branding the sunak maloney festival far rally . festival a far right rally. >> so this was the four day conference with george maloney, her brothers of italy party, which she's the prime minister which, yeah, sunak attended and the bbc are now caught up in yet another impartiality row, having failed call terrorists. failed to call hamas terrorists. >> they still aren't. >> yeah, they still aren't. >> yeah, they still aren't. >> were cheerfully >> they were cheerfully yesterday this a far yesterday calling this a far right conference. so anything thatis right conference. so anything that is not, you know, incredibly kind of in their agendais incredibly kind of in their agenda is now called far right tory mps are saying it's quite

remarkable that the bbc it remarkable that the bbc finds it appropriate to refer to our allies prominently prominent leaders their political leaders and their political parties far right simply for parties as far right simply for being conservative minded. >> . and for also saying >> yeah. and for also saying there's problem with there's a problem with immigration. yeah, there is a huge problem. >> that's what sunak saying. huge problem. >> wast's what sunak saying. huge problem. >> was talking sunak saying. huge problem. >> was talking sunak it saying. huge problem. >> was talking sunak it wasting. he was talking about. it was a little bit enoch powell. he was talking overwhelmed talking about being overwhelmed and the flood of migrants. >> but parts of europe, much more than us are overwhelmed. yeah.in more than us are overwhelmed. yeah. in part it. yeah. in italy, part of it. >> agreed with him. >> many people agreed with him. that's yeah. the that's the problem. yeah. the bbc very suella bbc rhetoric was very suella braverman, wasn't it? >> question i wanted >> so but the question i wanted to was very, to ask you, and she was very, very of blood will, will to ask you, and she was very, veryrhetoricyf blood will, will to ask you, and she was very, very rhetoric thatyod will, will to ask you, and she was very, very rhetoric that rishi ll, will to ask you, and she was very, veryrhetoric that rishi sunak the rhetoric that rishi sunak used win that red used actually win over that red wall going to make wall that is going to make probably decide in the next election? >> well, will help, it >> well, it will help, but it will if they the will help more if they stop the boats will help more if boats and it will help more if they legal migration from they cut legal migration from 745,000 in 2010, it was 745,000 a year. in 2010, it was 250,000. don't worry, david cameron, our foreign don't worry , it'll be cut to the low tens of thousands. >> grant has plan. it >> grant shapps has a plan. it will smash the small boats. >> grant that one before another day, another broken promise. >> new plan and he's

>> he's got a new plan and he's going to smash the small boats. it's all fine, everybody. that's going to smash the small boats. it's defence everybody. that's going to smash the small boats. it's defence secretary. y. that's the defence secretary. >> got to with him anyway. >> just empty words. i mean, it doesn't actually explain how he's it. no, he he's going to do it. no, he doesn't know going doesn't know he's going to tackle gangs. tackle the criminal gangs. >> but that's because >> but that's also because no one also labour's policy >> that's also labour's policy to they're going grips to they're going to get to grips with the criminal gangs. >> but there's no >> but andrew there's no problem. no >> got story here >> yeah we've got a story here dawn mirror front dawn in the daily mirror front page daily mirror. page of the daily mirror. actually, reindeer for slaughter. a british slaughter. this is a british firm terrible fury by firm terrible sparked fury by saying, firm terrible sparked fury by sa'chop off his red nose hunts. yeah >> who kills two or old rudolph? um, this a british firm um, yeah. this is a british firm . are organising hunting . they are organising hunting trips it . um, trips to norway. stop it. um, yeah. and it costs a lot of money. and this is you can go out there next summer. now look, if you're if you're listening on the radio, we've got a nice reindeer on, on the screen with a big ant with a big, what do they it, basically trophy they call it, basically trophy hunting. and it is appalling. they call it, basically trophy huntit g. and it is appalling. they call it, basically trophy huntit g. shocking appalling. they call it, basically trophy huntit g. shocking appalliis|. and it is shocking and it is awful and it should not be happening. however people who live in the countryside, certainly in the wilds of scotland, will say animals

scotland, will say that animals have to be culled as well. in particular the deer population. so there is a necessity for these populations to be controlled . but should we be controlled. but should we be glamorising it with tricks turned into a hunting trophy ? turned into a hunting trophy? >> trophy hunting is for enjoyment and pleasure. it's not. it's not part of conservation is appalled . conservation is appalled. >> but i don't know with this particular story whether this is the case in norway that these deers need culled. do we deers need to be culled. do we need to have to sing rudolph the red—nosed them? need to have to sing rudolph the red—nccould them? need to have to sing rudolph the red—nccould . them? >> you could. >> you could. >> i can't sing saved my life. >> i can't sing saved my life. >> that's true . i was thinking >> that's true. i was thinking more singing morning. more singing this morning. >> you watch your son. yes. >> spent all breakfast >> are spent all breakfast singing rudolph the red nosed reindeer. singing rudolph the red nosed reindeerthen went into a >> and then we went into a rousing rendition jingle rousing rendition of jingle bells. of these bells. and i'm sick of all these muck, you know, but you've got another week to go. >> can you name the >> now, can you name the reindeer rudolph? no. reindeer apart from rudolph? no. >> oh, they got. oh, they've got some haven't some lovely names, haven't they, prancer. dancer. >> dancer. dancer. >> prancer. >> prancer. >> vixen. vixen >> vixen. vixen >> would you, would you be a prancer or a dancer? i'd be. i think i'd be a dancer. >> no, you'd be a prancer. >> no, you'd be a prancer. >> you'd be a prancer. i knew

you'd say that. >> i walked into that, i walked in. >> well, sorry. >> well, sorry. >> reindeer doris. i'd be the doris. >> oh, is your little. i'm really excited for christmas. you're about christmas? really excited for christmas. you'reit's about christmas? really excited for christmas. you'reit's the about christmas? really excited for christmas. you'reit's the first. t christmas? really excited for christmas. you'reit's the first. isn'tistmas? yeah, it's the first. isn't it? lovely eyes lovely through a child's eyes year that they start to understand. >> because they're one and >> because when they're one and two, really two, they don't really get. >> you got a chimney? >> have you got a chimney? >> have you got a chimney? >> no, don't have >> uh, no, we don't have a chimney. i small this chimney. i got a small tree this yean i chimney. i got a small tree this year, i haven't done for year, which i haven't done for decades, have i have given decades, so i have i have given in to the tree thing, explained that is going to get in that santa is going to get in and this is and leave the present. this is the thing, he's the weird thing, because he's got these he wants. got all these presents he wants. so saying, if you're so i just keep saying, if you're a santa will bring a good boy, santa will bring that. if you're a good boy, santa will bring that. so it's kind bribery, and then i'm kind of bribery, and then i'm having furiously them having to furiously order them on course, but on amazon. and of course, but keeping coming down on amazon. and of course, but kee chimney. coming down on amazon. and of course, but keei'venney. coming down on amazon. and of course, but keei'venney. chimney.ing down on amazon. and of course, but keei'venney. chimney. wellown on amazon. and of course, but keei'venney. chimney. well he| >> i've got a chimney. well he refused morning, refused breakfast this morning, so i said santa had him so i said santa had left him a mince he ate that instead. >> ah well, dawn and emma, it's been to this been wonderful to see you this morning. you very much for your >> thank you very much for your company festive talk. yes, very festive sequins. matching festive sequins. you're matching our we our tree. we'll do sequins. we love that's it from us love it. well, that's it from us this it's been lovely. this morning. it's been lovely. thanks you thanks for having me with you all week.

>> w- w“ >> all week. we're here all week together. good. now up >> all week. we're here all week togetigood good. now up >> all week. we're here all week togetigood afternoonyod. now up >> all week. we're here all week togetigood afternoon britainn up next, good afternoon britain with tom and emily. and we'll see you tomorrow night, tom. >> not >> except today it is not tom and emily. >> ben, leo and emily, >> it is ben, leo and emily, fresh from the jungle. >> ben will be with for the >> ben will be with me for the next days while tom takes next few days while tom takes a break. what have we coming 7 up. up? >> yeah, great to be back. >> yeah, great to be back. >> a bit cold, though, emily. a bit a change from the gold bit of a change from the gold coast. >> @ show >> massive show today. >> massive show today. >> rwanda. forget courts. >> massive show today. >> grounded orget courts. >> massive show today. >> grounded because courts. >> massive show today. >> grounded because the|rts. it's grounded because the government airlines it's grounded because the gotakenent airlines it's grounded because the gotake migrants airlines it's grounded because the gotake migrants deportation flights. >> is this the end of the controversial rwanda scheme? yes >> and also, we'll be looking to israel because ben wallace, our defence secretary, had some strong words against israeli actions. >> we'll let you know in just a moment. >> first, the weather looks like things are heating up . things are heating up. >> boxt boilers spot of weather on gb news is . on gb news is. >> hi there. >> hi there. >> it's aiden here from the met office with the gb news forecast i >> -- >> cloudy 5mm >> cloudy for most of us today and breezy with that as well . and breezy with that as well. >> outbreaks of rain for some, but not for all. we've got a

weather front moving south ahead of that front, a strong west to southwesterly breeze bringing a lot of cloud in from the atlantic and outbreaks of rain for parts of wales , northwest for parts of wales, northwest england as well. that rain , england as well. that rain, persistent and at times heavy over the hills. otherwise, for the south and south—east of england, largely dry with a lot of cloud, some low cloud covering the hills, but brighter skies are expected in the far north of england, scotland and northern ireland, albeit with a few and a gusty wind. few showers and a gusty wind. it's mild across the board. 12 to 13 celsius in the south, but into the evening a front sinks south across scotland, bringing some heavy rain for a time and some heavy rain for a time and some gusty winds with it that sinks into england and wales, where the rain does turn heavier and more widespread through the night . so a wet start to the day night. so a wet start to the day on tuesday across the southern half of the uk. however, it will be a mild start 10 or 11 celsius colder conditions a touch of frost in the far north with some showers moving in from the

northwest and the showers will be falling as snow over the scottish mountains. because this is colder air that's moving in from the north—west, whilst after the wet start in the south, the rain clears and brighter skies follow, albeit with lower temperatures. highs of 9 or 10 celsius. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news .

>> good afternoon britain . >> good afternoon britain. >> good afternoon britain. >> it's 12:00 on >> good afternoon britain. >> it's12:00 on monday the >> good afternoon britain. >> it's 12:00 on monday the 18th of december. >> rwanda hits turbulence. the scheme is plunged into further crisis as it's revealed airlines are refusing to take part in deportations over fears to their reputations . reputations. >> hmm'hmm now pressure mounts on israel defence secretary ben wallace warns israel's killing rage tactic risk fuelling the conflict for another 50 years. this comes as calls for a ceasefire grow . is he right? and ceasefire grow. is he right? and campaigners, including boris johnson, have warned that sir winston churchill's barge of all things, is in danger of being sold to a foreign buyer after no one from britain came forward . one from britain came forward. >> so should the government step

. in >> it's quite extraordinary,