offences. the actor and comedian was interviewed under caution last week over six allegations after being questioned last month over three other claims . month over three other claims. the 48 year old has been accused of rape, assault and emotional abuse. of rape, assault and emotional abuse . between 2006 and 2013. abuse. between 2006 and 2013. following a joint investigation by the sunday times, the times and channel 4 dispatches. he strongly denies the claims . a strongly denies the claims. a body that was found in the river wensum in norwich has been formally identified as gaynor lord. the mother of three disappeared after leaving work in the city centre on the 8th of december. police say the cause of death appears to be consistent with drowning, and there are no indications of any third party involvement . at third party involvement. at a protest over the government's immigration policies is taking place outside the home office in london. refugee rights campaigners have gathered this evening under the banner stop the hate to mark international migrants day . organisers stand migrants day. organisers stand up migrants day. organisers stand up to racism and emphasise the

need to keep up the pressure against the governments. what they say are racist policies and they say are racist policies and the targeting of refugees and migrants . justice project migrants. justice project founder jeremy corbyn has been spotted at the march, as well as charlotte khan from care for calais . baroness michelle mone calais. baroness michelle mone has hit out at the prime minister after he said he takes the scandal surrounding her involvement with a ppe firm incredibly seriously . it's after incredibly seriously. it's after she admitted she's set to benefit from a contract between ppe firm medpro and the government , which generated government, which generated a £60 million profit. posting on social media, lady mone said i was honest with the cabinet office and the nhs in my deaungs office and the nhs in my dealings with them. yesterday, she told the bbc that she contacted michael gove at the start of the pandemic after he made a call to arms for massive quantities of personal protective equipment. rishi sunak says the government has launched a legal case against the company . the company. >> this whole situation is subject to an ongoing criminal investigation, but also that the

government is taking action. legal action against a company involved . so there's a limit to involved. so there's a limit to what i can say other than to say we take all these things incredibly seriously . and that's incredibly seriously. and that's why said government is why i said the government is taking action. and because taking legal action. and because there's a criminal investigation ongoing, comment ongoing, i can't comment any further. >> em f- >> labour leader sir keir starmer described the scandal as a shocking disgrace from top to bottom. day goes past bottom. every day goes past there are more questions that need to be answered. >> there's now suggestions. there was early private contact with members of the cabinet that may have started this unhappy story in the first place, so the government needs to come clean. it make a statement it needs to make a statement about that, but this needs to be seen its context under this seen in its context under this government, £7 billion was lost in fraud during covid. that's taxpayers money. and if there were a labour government, we'd want that money back. >> junior doctors in wales will stage a 72 hour strike in the new year . they'll walk out from new year. they'll walk out from january. the 15th after voting overwhelmingly in favour of

industrial action in a dispute over pay that says the government and british medical association reached an agreement on reforms for specialist doctors. the offer, which will be put to members, proposed as an additional pay rise of between 6.1 and 9.22. meanwhile labouris between 6.1 and 9.22. meanwhile labour is calling on the government to fund more overtime for doctors and nurses to help clear the nhs backlog . sir keir clear the nhs backlog. sir keir starmer says his party would end the non—dom tax status as a way to fund it. if it wins the next general election . during general election. during a hospital visit in leeds , the hospital visit in leeds, the labour leader also promised a reduction in wait times for nhs appointments as two men have been arrested by counter—terror police after a ulez camera was damaged in a blast. the met police says a low sophistication improvised explosive device was used in south east london on the 6th of december. a gnome was injured when the ied was detonated in sidcup, but vehicles and a residential property were damaged . police

property were damaged. police say a 60 year old man from the area is being questioned, along with a 61 year old who was arrested in horsham in west sussex , and a new menopause drug sussex, and a new menopause drug to treat hot flashes has been given the green light in the uk . given the green light in the uk. the daily pill, called vjosa , the daily pill, called vjosa, alleviates symptoms by regulating body temperature. up to 80% of women going through the menopause are affected by the menopause are affected by the symptoms, which also include disruptive sleep patterns, changes to their mood and energy levels . this changes to their mood and energy levels. this is gb news changes to their mood and energy levels . this is gb news across levels. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to . nigel news. now it's back to. nigel >> good evening from our westminster studio. so far, no technical issues. let's hope it stays that way. now. baroness michelle mone is all over the front pages of our national newspapers today. she gave a big interview to the bbc yesterday ,

interview to the bbc yesterday, following on from a few press reports in the last couple of weeks in which she says, look, i didn't the truth. you know, didn't tell the truth. you know, myself, my husband doug, we were involved with firm called involved with a firm called medpro . we previously said we medpro. we previously said we were not and it turns out from the £200 million worth of orders they got from the government, they got from the government, they made a profit of about 60 million. and there's now today been a rather a war of words between her and between rishi sunak. between her and between rishi sunak . so on the face of it, sunak. so on the face of it, this looks like the great scandal to have come out of the pandemic. but folks, it really isn't . and here's why. pandemic. but folks, it really isn't . and here's why . at the isn't. and here's why. at the start of the pandemic , the start of the pandemic, the department of health were desperately short of ppe across seven major categories . for seven major categories. for example , sterilised gowns. we example, sterilised gowns. we were down to a supply of one days stock . so during that days stock. so during that penod days stock. so during that period when the pandemic kicked in from february to july 2020,

the department purchased wait for it five years worth of ppe , for it five years worth of ppe, up to £10 billion were the ppe purchased . that has been written purchased. that has been written off, destroyed or lost. the pnces off, destroyed or lost. the prices they paid for it were about five times what the prices had been during the pandemic itself. and whichever way you look at this, we had ppe stored at 70 locations over the country. some of it was still being stored in china , but we being stored in china, but we were actually paying £400 million per annum simply in storage fees , £10 billion worth storage fees, £10 billion worth of our money was literally wasted . about £3 billion of the wasted. about £3 billion of the ppe, your money went on actually got used. how could government have overordered on this scale? how on earth could they have wasted up to £10 billion of money? there were over 14,000

companies that applied for ppe contracts , many people making contracts, many people making very , very big profits out of very, very big profits out of it. indeed and yes, of course, there was a high priority lane where those that were known to government ministers had a much better chance of getting the orders. and of course , baroness orders. and of course, baroness mone was a part of that . i think mone was a part of that. i think i believe the real scandal of this pandemic is that government overordered ppe, most of which after a year in storage, wasn't fit for purpose anyway. the real scandal is they wasted £10 billion of our money and the inquiry that is going on will not be discussing procurement until . 2025. you simply couldn't until. 2025. you simply couldn't make it up. so i ask you, is the michael mone story the real scandal of the pandemic , or is scandal of the pandemic, or is what i'm talking about far bigger? please give me your thoughts . farage at gbnews.com.

thoughts. farage at gbnews.com. well, i'm joined by neil wallace , former chief executive editor of the news of the world. neil, welcome to the news studios. welcome. >> very plush . >> very plush. >> very plush. >> it looks good so far. so good. yeah. so broken it yet there's always time. the baroness mone story. how do you respond to it? >> um , i, i think you're half >> um, i, i think you're half right and half wrong. i think where you're half right. the figures are shocking. they're appalling. she is simply unbelievable . she dreadfully unbelievable. she dreadfully crass. i mean, she deserves everything she's getting, you know , if your defence is, know, if your defence is, i basically lied to the world because i wanted to pocket £60 million. you need better pr advisers . where i think what you advisers. where i think what you miss is that that at the time , miss is that that at the time, the world was panic stricken. yeah.i the world was panic stricken. yeah. i think what you're not taking into account is this wasn't just happening in this country. we were bidding for

this stuff against america, against the chinese themselves, who were making it against the eu . they're all bidding against eu. they're all bidding against each other because they were all panic stricken. and what the real scandal, i think of covid is going to be. we got it wrong. jeremy hunt was supposed to have planned for this, and he got it catastrophically wrong . and that catastrophically wrong. and that led inevitably to one thing. now i understand , and i get that, neil. >> i mean, look, you know, we had professor neil ferguson telling us goodness knows what was coming down the track at us. but is , the fact is but the fact is, the fact is they ordered five years worth of this . this stuff. >> yeah. mean , you can't argue >> yeah. i mean, you can't argue with any of them. what what it really shows you. i think nigel is the complete panic that was in the government at the time. they didn't have a clue what to do . and so they were running do. and so they were running around like headless chickens buying here, grabbing this, taking that off the shelves. it was just the same as when. do

you remember when there was the toilet paper shortage and you saw people wheeling? great. we wheelie bins of the stuff down the road . you remember it? was the road. you remember it? was it? i do this was an international government side. shouldn't we expect that? >> shouldn't we expect better of our leaders? >> i think we should certainly have of our have expected better of our structure of our civil servants , structure of our civil servants, of our, um, yes , you're right. of our, um, yes, you're right. of course we should. but they were panic stricken. yeah that's not an excuse. >> i expect better from our leaders. >> yeah, i think you're entitled to. >> and the thought to me that this endless inquiry. >> oh , which is going to go on >> oh, which is going to go on for years , that we're not even for years, that we're not even going to discuss how £10 billion disappeared. >> it won't even come before the committee until 2025. >> but nigel, they're not even going to discuss where the damn thing came from . did it thing came from. did it originated in a chinese laboratory or did it come from bats in wherever wuhan you and i don't know. and we're not an inch nearer knowing. and this

inquiry , which is going to, uh , inquiry, which is going to, uh, throw as much money at this as the as medpro got. right. no who will get the £60 million profit? i don't know. now there is no question people like michelle michelle mone and her husband are the unacceptable face of capitalism. they filled their boots. >> they would argue , they would >> they would argue, they would argue, and they do argue that everything they did was in line with standard government procedure of the time. in the panic . and they would argue that panic. and they would argue that the masks and gowns they got for the masks and gowns they got for the government were cheaper than many of their competitors. >> that. >> they would argue that. and they made 30% profit out of it. and they there. and and they stand there. and i remember the time how mealy remember at the time how mealy mouthed they were . we're doing mouthed they were. we're doing this the country. we're this for the country. we're we're help out. we're trying to help out. >> no suggestion that can see >> no suggestion that i can see they've done anything illegal. >> well, we'll find that out, won't we? because there is a criminal. there is a criminal investigation, to be honest, i think they're they are utterly appalling people. um, i, i, you

know, i'm a long time conservative. i believe in free enterprise, but they fill their boots at this country's terror. well, they're saying during the sin was the light of the press . sin was the light of the press. >> and people are saying, if you lie to the press, you've lied to the country. she has apologised for that. more will come out. but but you see point here. but but you see my point here. whatever may or may not have whatever she may or may not have done wrong, what the government did is far worse. >> i that the catastrophe >> i think that the catastrophe that out what the that came out of what the government failed do, it's government failed to do, it's about failings . about government failings. you're right. this you're absolutely right. this was a catastrophic failure and who paid for it? we're paying for it. i know, but what happened was there was this failure and people thought we can fill our boots here. and amongst them was michelle mone and many , many others and many and many, many others and many others . others. >> wallace, as ever, great to have you in the studio. now on a happier jolly a note, we're going last farage at going to have our last farage at large of the year it takes place this thursday evening and it

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radio . radio. >> well, some of your reactions to the whole debate around baroness mone, but what i think is even more important, £10 billion of taxpayers money wasted on ppe that was never, ever used. some of your thoughts, peter says moan and everyone else involved should be prosecuted, made to repay every penny and kicked out of the house of lords in disgrace. strong opinions there, trevor says if mone was that concerned about the nhs, why did they not give all the profits back to the nhs? trevor, maybe that's nhs? well trevor, maybe that's something the baroness will consider another viewer says and i like this. who placed the orders for the government? they should be held to account account. and in tandem with that, paul says, what could they do ? nobody had any experience of do? nobody had any experience of this. paul. that's my problem. we have people in government spending huge amounts of our

money who clearly didn't quite know what they were doing and were running around like headless chickens, and we're not going to get it debated or discussed properly by the inquiry i don't find inquiry until 2025. i don't find that acceptable. now whilst i was in the jungle, one of the extraordinary things that happened was the return of david cameron. yes, he was of cameron. yes, he was sort of elevated to lord cameron and he is the foreign secretary . is now the foreign secretary. and i looked today jemmy ley, the former boss of the hong kong apple daily, is in court. he's facing sedition charges. it could lead to life imprisonment . could lead to life imprisonment. and the foreign secretary says that the whole thing is politically motivated. well that's all well and good, but that's all well and good, but that's the foreign secretary who was pm, talked about the golden era of our relationships with china. and i worry when he speaks about israel and gaza not capable of making an independent foreign policy position clear from the british government. no doing it conjoined with with the german foreign minister and a joint article so clumsily worded

that it even suggested at some point the israelis had actually targeted civilians. but then i guess it was probably drafted in german in the first place. yes, this the david cameron who was obsessed with bombing libya , obsessed with bombing libya, getting rid of colonel gaddafi, leading to the mass migrations across the mediterranean , and across the mediterranean, and indeed the birth of isis. not to mention the greensill scandal and much else. well well, i'm joined by somebody who might take a more moderate view than that. take a more moderate view than that . i'm take a more moderate view than that. i'm joined by sir mark lyall grant, former uk security adviser and british permanent representative to the un, in david cameron's time now you know what i'm saying, sir mark is that on some very major foreign policy areas and i really focus in particularly on china and indeed on libya , uh, china and indeed on libya, uh, that david cameron got things as we would now see it, very badly wrong. >> i think his appointment as foreign secretary is actually quite an inspired choice. nigel because he has a huge amount of

experience. he can hit the ground running. he knows all the world leaders already . and so in world leaders already. and so in a relatively short period that he might have as foreign secretary before the next election, can actually make election, he can actually make an impact. so i think he's got a lot of credibility within the foreign office. they're delighted big feast, delighted to have a big feast, as that doesn't as it were. that doesn't necessarily head the necessarily head of the department, but but he will fight for british interests overseas. he's a lot of credibility in terms of experience, of his experience, in terms of his development assistance , in terms development assistance, in terms of climate change. so i would argue that he could be a very good foreign secretary for this penod. period. >> he's got a lot of big calls wrong, though, hasn't he? well, i i was involved libya. i mean, i was involved libya. come on, let's face it. we got i mean, i was involved libya. corof on, let's face it. we got i mean, i was involved libya. corof gaddafi. face it. we got i mean, i was involved libya. corof gaddafi. lookit. we got i mean, i was involved libya. corof gaddafi. look what�* got i mean, i was involved libya. corof gaddafi. look what it's: rid of gaddafi. look what it's led but that was a good led to. no, but that was a good decision that saved hundreds of thousands lives in libya. >> i was involved in that. i was the ambassador at the un at the time. i got the resolution through. was drafted by me and through. i was drafted by me and my in new york and i would my team in new york and i would defend that decision the defend that decision to the hilt. stop gaddafi hilt. we had to stop gaddafi from massacring own

from massacring his own civilians. you can civilians. now china, you can argue was argue about. but again, i was involved in that decision as national adviser, and national security adviser, and i can nigel, we did can tell you, nigel, that we did discuss the issue very carefully in the national security council on than occasion. how on more than one occasion. how important the prosperity important was the prosperity agenda? important the agenda? how important the values, security . values, how important security. but the reality is that for a country like the uk needs to have have a economic relationship with the second largest economy in the world, and that's the sort of balance that the government is trying to do. >> but we were we were prepared to turn a blind eye to industrial espionage and much else. you know, we certainly didn't turn a blind to eye that. >> absolutely not. >> absolutely not. >> huawei getting involved in >> absolutely not. >> communicationsnvolved in >> absolutely not. >> communications networks] >> absolutely not. >> communications networks that our communications networks that was that was very was a decision that was very carefully thought through. was a decision that was very car< itrlly thought through. was a decision that was very can it changed|ht through. was a decision that was very can it changed forthrough. was a decision that was very can it changed for arough. was a decision that was very can it changed for a number of >> it changed for a number of different reasons because the chinese government approach changed. it changed and toughened on hong kong. it changed and toughened with the national security which national security act, which meant certainly did. meant that certainly did. countries huawei would have countries like huawei would have to report to the intelligence agencies of things agencies. so a lot of things changed, the policy changed changed, and the policy changed

accordingly. on the bigger picture. >> and never say gb news audience. you don't hear both sides of the argument here because it seems that because you do it seems that international israel international support for israel is waning very, very quickly. >> i think that is true. i'm not quickly, but it is waning and we've seen that over the last few weeks. the language by the traditional allies of israel, if you like, which is the united states, canada, the united kingdom and germany, the language has shifted and the americans in particular are taking tougher line , both taking a much tougher line, both in but also now in in private but also now in public, because i think the extent of the civilian casualties in gaza has surprised and taken aback. israel's closest allies and the way their conducting this operation, the international community is concerned, that is storing up problems for the future. in terms of radicalising , the terms of radicalising, the palestinian youth well haven't had probably the biggest issue , had probably the biggest issue, which isn't much discussed in the news, is the stopping of bp and more . most all the top and more. most all the top

shipping container companies passing through the red sea because of the houthis . now that because of the houthis. now that is going to add to our oil costs. it's going to add to our commodities costs and directly affect the british economy. >> i think there are some there are some international shipping problems beyond even that. and i'm with i'm quite worried i'm with you. i'm quite worried about you when about that. but, you know, when ben you know, our ben wallace, you know, our really quite well respected former defence secretary, talks about israeli killing rage this morning. this is quite aggressive language being used isn't it. >> that isn't language that the government is using. >> no, but i was surprised that ben it. ben wallace used it. >> yes. i think that is slightly inflammatory clearly, inflammatory language. clearly, israel has a right to self—defence. it's had that since the atrocities committed by hamas the 7th of october. by hamas on the 7th of october. but the right from the but the danger right from the start, nigel, was that the way they the operation start, nigel, was that the way they make the operation start, nigel, was that the way they make the he operation start, nigel, was that the way they make the situation ion start, nigel, was that the way they make the situation in| start, nigel, was that the way they make the situation in the would make the situation in the longer tum worse. both for the region and more globally. and i fear that we're reaching a sort of tipping point now where even israel's closest allies cannot see the sort of devastation

being brought in gaza go on day after day. >> difficult situation on that, uh, netanyahu finds himself in. because if hamas aren't eliminated, they'll come back and do it all again. >> indeed. and he hasn't achieved the publicly set out military objectives, he put there . he hasn't killed the there. he hasn't killed the three hamas leadership leaders in gaza . he hasn't freed all the in gaza. he hasn't freed all the hostages . he hasn't destroyed hostages. he hasn't destroyed hamas military capability. let alone its political organisation . so from his point of view, he wants to keep going. he feels he has to keep going. but if america says enough is enough and they allow through a un security council resolution demanding a ceasefire tonight, then i think they're going to have to think again. >> jonathan vautrey difficult call to mark. >> thank you very much indeed for joining us. thank you. now forjoining us. thank you. now there's a protest going on as we speak, advertised be large speak, advertised to be a large protest, and taking place protest, and it's taking place outside the home office. ray addison is gb news man on the ground. ray . he.

ground. ray. he. i'm assured that he is there now. this is being organised by care for calais trade unions , a whole calais trade unions, a whole host of groups who are protesting about the government's policies on immigration. ian, i think we should call this the open borders lot. but, ray, i believe you're there now to give us a full report. yeah >> good evening nigel. it's very, very low turnout, probably around 100 odd, maybe 150 at most here this afternoon at this event, outside of the home office, as you said, it's been organised by 18 different camps, groups and organisations, including black lives matter. um, we've got care for calais, stand up to racism . the pcs stand up to racism. the pcs union is involved as well and i think that will be particularly disappointing for the organisers because there are so many people involved and such a small turnout from each of them. it's actually so small. i don't know if we can just pan the camera

around. they didn't even bother to block the road off because they're just letting cars come through here. in fact, we had, um , richard burgon, labour mp um, richard burgon, labour mp for leeds east, and he actually stopped his speech in the middle to let a double decker bus come through. and they perhaps could have fitted everybody that's come speeches have fitted everybody that's comidouble speeches have fitted everybody that's comidouble decker speeches have fitted everybody that's comidouble decker bus»eeches have fitted everybody that's comidouble decker bus that'ss that double decker bus that's how people we actually have how few people we actually have here. now, of course, they've come here under the banner of stopping hate. uh, refugees are welcome . uh, and of course, it welcome. uh, and of course, it falls on, um , the united nations falls on, um, the united nations international, uh, migrants day and they wanted it to be a bit of a party atmosphere. they had a dj, they had a band, um, as well, and speakers, including , well, and speakers, including, as i said, richard burgon, but also jeremy corbyn, who declined, uh, to come on and give us an interview. but what they're saying is that the government's plan government's rwanda plan deportation plan, they say, is heinous. um they say that the government is using , um, racist government is using, um, racist policies and rhetoric and

they're concerned that because of the terms and the phraseology that the government is using, what they describe as the far right is growing, uh, what they describe as the far right is growing , uh, across right is growing, uh, across britain. and to demonstrate that, they say, look at the protests outside of, um, asylum seekers hotels and, uh, former military bases where people are being housed while they wait for their application to be processed. and so that's an example of far right activity. of course, lots of our viewers would disagree with now, would disagree with that. now, although they do celebrate the sacking suella braverman sacking of suella braverman former home secretary. um they do say that the new home secretary, james cleverly, is continuing , in their words, continuing, in their words, racist scapegoating. um, now , racist scapegoating. um, now, uh, earlier on, i chatted to the, uh, whalen , uh, bennett, the, uh, whalen, uh, bennett, who is from , uh, stand up to who is from, uh, stand up to racism. this is what he had to say. >> we're doing it because we believe that politics has been poisoned in britain instead of refugees, is being treated in a humane way . they're being humane way. they're being treated as a catastrophic problem, when actually they are relatively minority problem in britain takes a minority of the

refugees across the world. and we believe that immigration is being pumped up as an issue to misdirect british, the british population, to say that the crisis in the nhs, the crisis in our transport system or the crisis in our education is not due to under—invest assessment. it's due to , um, refugees and it's due to, um, refugees and particularly actually black refugees or muslim refugees . refugees or muslim refugees. >> well, you'd be very disappointed to hear that you've also come for in a bit of criticism here tonight , nigel, criticism here tonight, nigel, from one of the speakers on the stage, they called you one of the most divisive people in britain . uh, why? well, they britain. uh, why? well, they said was look at the said was just look at the situation with nella she situation with nella rose. she was paid 40,000 compared to your million plus to go on i'm a celebrity. she was eliminated. second to you. coming in third. and they say that is what it is like for immigrants and black women in britain . that's what women in britain. that's what they're saying on the stage here today. >> well, thank you for that, ray . absolute but thank you . absolute bunkum. but thank you for that. and i'd have been very

upsetifi for that. and i'd have been very upset if i hadn't taken some abuse from that particular very, very small crowd that have gathered. and i'm delighted to hear how few of them there were. and these people believe in total open borders . the vast total open borders. the vast majority don't. in a moment we'll talk about charities is now being debunked . well, we had now being debunked. well, we had some good news last week. the politically exposed persons , up politically exposed persons, up to 100,000 of them are going to get better treatment for the banks. but what's happening to our charities, all of that in just moment

moment. i mean, of course there is of course ways to make it happen through raf flights . well happen through raf flights. well i may have shifted banks to lloyds and my problems may be oven lloyds and my problems may be over, but i'm not going to give up on this story because what i've heard in the last 24 hours is now about charities. >> quite a lot of them being given a hard time. well, david sophen given a hard time. well, david sopher, founder and editor in chief of tech round friend chief of tech round and friend of program, david, what is of this program, david, what is the latest de—banking scandal?

>> latest that >> so the latest is now that charities are debunked and charities are being debunked and we on tech ground, we received a message from a charity who said that over 1000 other charities depend on them . depend on them. >> so therefore thousands of people depending on them for hot meals. this christmas alone. and they've around £1 million they've seen around £1 million of donations having blocked of donations having been blocked for technicality at best. and for a technicality at best. and something unbeknown to them at worst, which is really quite concerning, because when you compare it to an individual like a self, even , you know, being a self, even, you know, being debunked, people have dependence. charities have thousands of dependents and people who go without hot people who will go without hot meals you know, blankets. >> and do we know why this is happening? >> so no, not really. potentially a technicality that has been , if you like, blown out has been, if you like, blown out of all proportion and the fingers being pointed specifically here, not solely but specifically to allied irish bank, isn't it? i believe so, but but it's something that we keep getting repeatedly at tech round is people contacting us from challenger banks from high

street banks. we've had recently the charity that i mentioned, but also investor as. and when you think of the same kind of multiple, you think how many people are relying investors , people are relying on investors, numerous businesses that they would have invested in, but also employees the business, the employees of the business, the employees of the business, the employees dependents. so you're looking at a lot more people being affected this than being affected by this than i think would have even expected. >> but we have a financial conduct authority to save us and to be our guardians in financial matters . i mean, where are they? matters. i mean, where are they? >> very good question. and actually would argue, actually i would i would argue, maybe a bit stronger. and i'd say where i think say in a time where i think people are , i don't want to say people are, i don't want to say addicted to involvement by the state in their lives. and people are enjoying of are really enjoying the hand of the their and the state in their lives and calling for more. this is something people should something that people should be calling and this is calling for and saying, this is what regulator and the what the regulator and the government involving government should be involving themselves government should be involving themselvelse. anything else. >> couldn't more. david >> i couldn't agree more. david you keep us up to date with all those developments. for those developments. thanks for popping those developments. thanks for popping studio. i popping back to in the studio. i will not let this go now. we always keep an on sadiq khan always keep an eye on sadiq khan

. what? the friars is . why? what? the friars today is a stuart ross a job advert for stuart ross communications internship and what you'll need for your applications. if you're going to join tfl in 2024, are some very specific protected characteristics. yes absolutely. don't apply from this job for this job, unless you are black, asian or from other minority ethnic backgrounds and or people with a disability. well we have an equality act of 2010 that allows people to do this. we're not they're not allowed to use positive discrimination , but positive discrimination, but they're allowed to up, quote us of what they see as underrepresented minorities. all i can tell you is i believe it's better to employ people on ability, whether they fit for the role. all we're doing here is spreading division. it's nuts . much of what happens in the world these days is including the royal yachting association. can you believe it ? they've been can you believe it? they've been around forever . an august around forever. an august institution . but now you mustn't institution. but now you mustn't say man overboard . no, you've

say man overboard. no, you've got to say person overboard . i got to say person overboard. i mean, god help us have you ever heard such a load of total pc rubbish in all your life in ireland, the ross lake hotel in galway was about to have sometime this week. 70 mile warrants put into it last week. somebody set it on fire and it just goes to show whatever these people think who were protesting and using my name in vain outside the home office at the moment, tempers in ireland on this are running very , very this are running very, very strong indeed . now we are strong indeed. now we are regulated by ofcom. you all know that. but i am stunned by this ruling. do you remember our don't kill cash campaign? 300,000 people signed up to it . 300,000 people signed up to it. i went on behalf of gb news and delivered those signatures to number 11. downing street. the chancellor, in return saying what we were standing for was

right . and actually they're up right. and actually they're up to 5 million people in britain who , if cash was got rid of, who, if cash was got rid of, would literally be excluded from normal everyday activities . and normal everyday activities. and yet ofcom have ruled against us. yes, they really, really have. um apparently we've got involved with a campaign on which we should have taken a neutral position , but that's okay. the position, but that's okay. the bbc can fundraise for the nhs . bbc can fundraise for the nhs. sky news can campaign on the way that general elections are covered. and that's fine. all we try to do as a media organisation is to stand up for those who haven't got a voice of their own and we get rapped over their own and we get rapped over the knuckles for it. absolutely blooming ridiculous. now i'm broadcasting tonight from this brand new studio and it's named the alastair stewart studio, and in a moment alastair will join me for talking pints

>> gb news. >> gb news. >> well, we're here in this new studio and it's a great new studio and it's a great new studio and it's named the alastair stewart studio after that legendary veteran , an now that legendary veteran, an now retired broadcast to, of course, whose last couple of years were with us at gb news alister , with us at gb news alister, welcome to your studio . isn't it welcome to your studio. isn't it wonderful? how cool is that ? wonderful? how cool is that? it's just delightful because when i became ill before, i'd had the formal diet ipsis of vascular dementia , which you and vascular dementia, which you and i were chatting about before hand. >> um , i decided it was time to >> um, i decided it was time to step back a bit because that clearly wasn't helping. whatever was wrong with me. um, and angelo, our mutual boss, said fine, completely understand that . but we want you to stay on the books so i can come and do things like this and occasionally appear on other programmes as well, which is absolutely marvellous. and he

said, and by the way, our new studios at westminster, we're going to name after you. and i was deeply touched. well here we are, and this is we are christening the studio right how. >> now. >> you're very good health, nigel. now, alister , you know nigel. now, alister, you know your father, raf officer . and your father, raf officer. and your father, raf officer. and you go off to university and no hint at all that you're going to become a journalist. what? what happened? >> um , it's a curious story. i >> um, it's a curious story. i was deputy president of the national union of students broad left, and my president was charles clark, who became a very close friend of mine and still is. i had lunch with him the other day. brilliant, brilliant guy - other day. brilliant, brilliant guy . um, and, other day. brilliant, brilliant guy. um, and, uh, other day. brilliant, brilliant guy . um, and, uh, one of the guy. um, and, uh, one of the last things i was campaigning about was teacher training . and about was teacher training. and margaret thatcher and her advisers had spotted that there was a decline in the birth rate. and therefore didn't need to spend all of this taxpayers money on training more teachers . money on training more teachers. we could actually train fewer and still do a good job. so they

proposed to close teacher training colleges or merge them and create a wave of new universities, some of which turned out to be brilliant ones like winchester, where my own daughter went. so i was touring the country saying, don't do this, keep them open, keep training. the same numbers of teachers , and then, and teachers, and then, lo and behold, there'll be a better teacher pupil ratio. it's fairly logical, common sense and logical, fairly common sense and one of those colleges that i spoke at was king alfred's college in winchester, and the local president of the student union phoned up southern tv in southampton and said, look, one of our big guns from up north from, you know, headquarters is in the region. do you want to talk to him? and they said, yes. and purely as a result of that, it happened. they contacted me the next day and said, well, that very well indeed. have that went very well indeed. have you going into you ever thought of going into television? and said, i'm television? and i said, no, i'm going an mp and rule the going to be an mp and rule the world. and was my dad who you world. and it was my dad who you were enough to mention were kind enough to mention the royal officer, royal air force officer, terribly with terribly conservative with both a and little c , who said,

a big and a little c, who said, you must be mad. give it a whirl, see how it goes, and that was half a century ago. well, yeah. i you finish up, yeah. and i mean, you finish up, you itn 1979 and these you know, itn 1979 and these were days huge audiences . were the days of huge audiences. >> i mean, the evening news on itn was getting ten, 12 million people every day watching it. and personalities , the and huge personalities, the alistair burnett's the reggie bows and kay's the, the suspicion that when 1 or 2 of them went on the news, they might have been in the bar previously. it was an amazing culture, wasn't it? >> i think there was. i mean, i remember having a conversation with an american friend who came to work itn on the press and to work at itn on the press and pr side. um concerned about the amount of drinking that was going on and the amount of drinking i was doing. i mean, we were all up to it because you kind of aspired to be like reggie or be like alastair. yeah. and she said to me, she said, i don't, i don't know whether got drinking whether you've got a drinking problem only you and problem or not. only you and your know that. and she your family know that. and she said, but i'll tell you what, itn's got a drinking problem.

and those days it and i think in those days it did. and think it was did. and i think it was genuinely a part of the culture. and there was a bar in the building and everybody smoked. and a mixture and yeah, it was a mixture of people like greg dyke at london weekend television and stuart purvis, very well , purvis, who you know very well, went a big, big figure went on to be a big, big figure at ofcom. um who said, look, this is bonkers. we shouldn't be having a bar and drinking on site, let alone smoking . no. and site, let alone smoking. no. and so, well, slowly but surely they drew back from it. ah you were in the middle of all of this, but also alastair, in the middle of some amazing historic news stories. >> we've got 1 or 2 little clips. >> we've got 1 or 2 little cups.the >> we've got 1 or 2 little clips. the first one is you outside the brandenburg gate that we're going to show the people made the politicians people who made the politicians make it happen. >> the people have said to the politicians, this is our country. we will decide its future . alastair, thank you all, future. alastair, thank you all, gentlemen . gentlemen. >> well, has been a quite >> well, it has been a quite extraordinary story, brimful with political significance and with political significance and with raw emotion. >> it's one of those stories you only see once in a while. and yet it may be the beginning, as

i think all of us were saying, of something with a much greater and significance . what is and deeper significance. what is not in doubt is that history has been made and unmade in berlin over the last four days. absolutely >> i love that alastair brimful . >> i love that alastair brimful. well, we wouldn't hear that word used on british television now would we? that was the big historic moment. another dramatic moments when you're sitting the desk in sitting behind the desk in london. this news flash after pan am 103 went down over lockerbie . a pan am 747 jumbo lockerbie. a pan am 747 jumbo jet with 255 people on board, has crashed just north of the scottish border. >> there's an emergency telephone number in america . for telephone number in america. for it's 0101212801234. pan am flight pa 103 took off from london heathrow, bound forjohn f kennedy airport in new york at 625 this evening. radar contact

was lost at 719. the plane came down in the town of lockerbie in dumfries. it crashed into a petrol station and a number of houses. petrol station and a number of houses . eyewitnesses report a houses. eyewitnesses report a huge explosion and a 300 foot fireball. >> w nobody had a clue that we'd all been at a function at number 11 with the then chancellor , 11 with the then chancellor, nigel lawson, funnily enough. and word had gone around that there'd been some terrible fire ball accident just south of the border. but it was only several hours later that rumours then began to circulate about terrorism, and the rest of it, and many people, particularly the parents of the victims, because it was full of young american students going back for the christmas holidays , as well the christmas holidays, as well as brits . um, the christmas holidays, as well as brits. um, still think it's unresolved because there was a man who was convicted and charged, and in the days of gaddafi and all the rest of it, but a real nightmare, a horrible story. >> but you're covering tragic

stories. have ap stories, breaking news stories . what breaking news stories. what always struck me whenever i would turn up at the itn building and inevitably see you outside the building, pacing up and down and you'd be straight over farage, you know , you want over farage, you know, you want to sort of get into the, you know, what's the real story? cufious know, what's the real story? curious city, i always thought with was something with you there was something about you loved this about you that you loved this world because you're curious world because you're a curious person world because you're a curious peryes. think that's true. and >> yes. i think that's true. and again, you mentioned dad and going back to the berlin one. uh, was in fighter command uh, dad was in fighter command initially, and used to fly jets like javelins and hunters , uh, like javelins and hunters, uh, to see off russian bombers that were testing our airspace. and then he spent the final, uh , 15, then he spent the final, uh, 15, 20 years of his raf career in bomber command. so he was on our side of the cold war. so i remember standing in berlin with with, uh, johnson and john suchet thinking , good god, he suchet thinking, good god, he was right, because he was a mutually assured destruction quy-

mutually assured destruction guy. we had to have the bomb . guy. we had to have the bomb. otherwise, you know, the other side might attack us. >> vulcan bombers in those days, vulcan was the v—force vulcans. >> valiants and victors. but yes. and i was blessed with a with a dad who was incredibly bright, very, very able grammar school boy saint andrews university. and there was nothing i couldn't ask him . nothing i couldn't ask him. there were occasionally things that might cross into state secrecy , and he'd say, that's secrecy, and he'd say, that's not one for you. and so we'd move on. but like ban the bomb. he was up for a conversation on, and i was blessed in that respect . respect. >> well, political debate, i mean, your real high point of this, of course, the first ever party leader debates that it's been going since 1960. in america . but it was 2010. the america. but it was 2010. the first leaders debate in this country . have a guess, folks. country. have a guess, folks. who was immature ? manchester in who was immature? manchester in the heart of the north—west of england, is tonight host to a british political first. >> i'm alastair stewart and for the first time on british

television, live in front of a representative studio audience, we'll be hearing from three men each hoping to be the leader of the next uk government. in the first election debate . first election debate. >> stuff alastair, and you're there. you do all these things over 40 years, over 40 years. you're there and they get rid of you . you're a victim of cancel you. you're a victim of cancel culture. you were rejected by them for quoting shakespeare . them for quoting shakespeare. >> um, the pieces that were written at the time by our mutual acquaintance andrew neil. and uh, fraser nelson at the spectator. and many, many others were very, very interesting . um, were very, very interesting. um, anyone who saw racism, uh, in that exchange , uh, neither that exchange, uh, neither understood racism nor did they understand the bard. no. despite the great anniversary of the first folio and the rest of it . first folio and the rest of it. um, i was sad to retire from from gb news. um, but it was the

right thing to do because of my health. we were. >> we were delighted to have you. you were the grand old man of gb news, you know. >> and i'll tell you this. gb news looked after me extremely well when i started to become ill, and when we jointly decided it was time to step back, they couldn't have been nicer and nor couldn't have been nicer and nor could they have been kinder. good. and i really value that. and so does my family. >> you've got, you know, early onset dementia. alistair, you're in retirement. does alistair in retirement. how does alistair stewart deal with retirement ? stewart deal with retirement? >> not terribly well. i mean, i still watch , uh, day in, day out still watch, uh, day in, day out and listen to the radio as well and listen to the radio as well and look as many papers as i can. and the deal that i've got with angelo and others, uh, in the sort of the suits, as it were, at gb news is if i spot something where i think i might have a contribution or where i'm kind of slightly fired up about something, then i simply do a quick email and say, look, i'd be very happy to talk to you. whether it's you or martin or whomsoever it is, it doesn't matter. or jacob, really up

matter. orjacob, i'm really up for that. and done for doing that. and we've done it about half a dozen times so far, and it seems to have worked and quite often it is because i'm listening to so many things and i'm listening of all things to the education select committee. the other day, um, and harpham , who used to and rob harpham, who used to chair it brilliantly , but is now chair it brilliantly, but is now the universities minister, was giving evidence, particularly about those undergraduates and postgrad mates who were supporting hamas and he said, unfortunately, our great british universities have always been polluted by what i think used to be called useful idiots. and i remember calling people in my news days useful idiots, and they were the trots who supported the provisional ira in their bombing campaign. so i phoned up and we had a really good conversation about that. >> so you're not really not really retired at all, are you? >> um, i'm i'm resting. well, i'm retired from doing a regular show like you and like, jacob and the others keep coming back when you've got something to say i >> -- >> and it's a pleasure to have

you tonight. right in this studio named in your honour, after and illustrious after a long and illustrious career. alastair eras tour, you're very, very kind. >> and here i am, drinking hot chocolate there's chocolate because there's a good, uh, a good friend of mine once said, know, i'm one of once said, you know, i'm one of those to whom alcohol is those people to whom alcohol is not a friend. god bless you both. lovely to see you. >> one those. jacob. what >> one of those. jacob. what have got tonight? well, have we got tonight? well, nigel, that it's nigel, first of all, that it's good you back. good to see you back. >> i haven't seen you since you returned the jungle. and returned from the jungle. and you same. i thought you you look the same. i thought you might little bit thinner, might have a little bit thinner, but congratulations. you did very and your very well. and i see your enormously is not enormously popular, which is not bad . um, what enormously popular, which is not bad. um, what are we doing? we're going to be talking about esther mcvey's woke. good esther mcvey's war on woke. good which think is marvellous. my which i think is marvellous. my concern do something concern is until we do something about equalities she about the equalities act, she will stymied by people will be stymied by people saying, i sense a manifesto pledge coming, or one that jacob would like. well, we might both like, but i'll be back with you tomorrow 7:00. like, but i'll be back with you tonlooks 7:00. like, but i'll be back with you tonlooks like 7:00. like, but i'll be back with you tonlooks like things)0. like, but i'll be back with you tonlooks like things are heating >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers, sponsors of weather on . gb news. hi there.

weather on. gb news. hi there. >> it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. it is going to turn increasingly wet in the south overnight. clearer skies developing north, albeit developing further north, albeit with showers. and we've with blustery showers. and we've got colder air coming in as well from the northwest. but before that happens, a number of weather fronts will linger across southern half of the across the southern half of the uk, bringing extensive cloud and increasingly persistent rain. initially for south—west england and wales. that rain moving into the midlands, east anglia and the midlands, east anglia and the south and south—east of england by the early hours. so a wet night to come for many. but further we've got clear further north we've got clear spells, for central spells, especially for central and scotland, and where and northern scotland, and where that frost is that happens, touch of frost is possible . out of the wind now possible. out of the wind now into the start of tuesday , we've into the start of tuesday, we've got outbreaks of rain or showers moving into the north and west of scotland, as well as northern ireland. it's cold enough for these showers to be falling as snow over the hills further south. to the day, south. a mild start to the day, but wet one with outbreaks of but a wet one with outbreaks of persistent through the persistent rain through the morning, by

morning, eventually clearing by the the afternoon the end of the afternoon from the end of the afternoon from the southeast. clear spells then follow decent spells follow with some decent spells of for the central of sunshine for the central and southwestern the uk , southwestern parts of the uk, but continue but blustery showers continue further north. those showers also affect the northeast of scotland into wednesday. elsewhere, increasing cloud and outbreaks of rain moving in the most damp weather affecting the northwest once again. brightest further southeast after a chilly start . but thursday sees very start. but thursday sees very strong winds from the northwest . strong winds from the northwest. gales widely and some heavy showers . showers. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on .

gb news. hello >> good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight. the new minister for common sense, former gb news star esther mcvey

, comes out fighting in the war on woke and waste. ms mcvey vows to make sure not a penny of taxpayers money is squandered on silly schemes and socialist stratagems , taking particular stratagems, taking particular aim at the vacuous roles of expensive diversity officers. so what challenges will be in asda's in—tray in order to achieve such admirable and essential ends? more compromise from his majesty's government as new trans guidance for schools is set to fall short of an all out ban on pupil transitioning for fear of potentially violating the equality act. instead staff will be spared the obugafion instead staff will be spared the obligation to have any duty to let children alter their gender identity will this make a difference at all? naval hero lord nelson has in recent years been accused of being a white supremacist and a racist supporter of slavery, with some calling for his statue in trafalgar square to be toppled. but it's now emerged that the evidence supporting these claims was forged. is this the latest sign of the weak rewriting of

history? a us, an american airline, has caused a stir after an online influencer praised its policy of allocating free seats for fat passengers . policy of allocating free seats for fat passengers. is this just a fair and necessary principle of inclusivity, or are we just succumbing to those who make bad life choices? and today , life choices? and today, parliament debated a petition concerned with amendments to the international health regulations proposed by the world health organisation is this another example of international bodies imposing legislation with no democratic consent? state of the nafion democratic consent? state of the nation starts now . nation starts now. i'll be joined by a particularly malicious panel this evening with me. will be the author and broadcaster amy nicole turner, along with my with the former mep and one of my current sisters, anunciata rees—mogg. as always , i want to hear from you. always, i want to hear from you.