gb news morning. >> it's 930 on tuesday. the 19th of december. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with me, andrew pierce and ellie costello i >> iceland volcano erupts a volcano has erupted in the southwest of iceland after weeks of intense earthquake activity . of intense earthquake activity. around 4000 people have been evacuated from the area and jamie sansom has revealed she's joined assisted dying clinic dignitas in switzerland and will consider going there to end her life as she battles lung cancer . life as she battles lung cancer. politicians pay rise and mps are set to receive a bigger pay rise

hike than nurses and ambulance workers. the extra £6,000 would take their salary to over £92,000, and at last school trans guidance. >> the guidelines have been in the works since 2018. they're coming out today. there'll be no sanctions for teachers , teachers sanctions for teachers, teachers if a pupil's preferred pronouns are not used . are not used. well, do let us know what you think about that story, or indeed any stories that we are talking about this morning, especially assisted dying . especially assisted dying. >> do you think there should be a free vote on that in parliament? do let us know. gb views gb news. com but first, let's get your news headlines with tatiana sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> ellie, thank you very much. and good morning. 931 this is

the latest guidance for schools on how to manage children who may wish to change their gender. will be published today. it's understood the department of education will advise schools to inform parents if their children say they'd like to change genders. there will be no obugafion genders. there will be no obligation students to obligation to allow students to socially transition or to provide gender neutral facilities. teachers will also be given the choice to opt out of using a student's chosen pronoun. if they have a good faith objection . the stonewall faith objection. the stonewall charity says the guidance doesn't consider the needs of trans and gender diverse youth . trans and gender diverse youth. council planning departments are expected to be put on notice today as the housing secretary cracks down on those accused of dragging their feet on new applications, michael gove will call out local authorities with a history of poor performance on building new homes with a promise to intervene where there have been severe delays. it's understood that some councils will given three months to will be given three months to improve risk having their improve or risk having their powers stripped and developments forced them . labour forced upon them. labour

described gove's plan as described mr gove's plan as truly through the looking glass . truly through the looking glass. the old model of accessing dental care in england is gone for good. that's the warning from a leading think tank. most dentists are no longer taking on new nhs patients with warnings. the service is in decay and at its worst point in 75 years, according to the nuffield trust, spending on dental services has dropped by more than half £1 billion since 2015. it says the universal service is no longer offered by the nhs, and recommends the government take some difficult decisions to ensure those most in need continue to receive basic care . continue to receive basic care. mining workers who went on strike in the 1980s could have their convictions overturned as part of a bill to be presented in parliament today, thousands of miners were arrested in 1984 and 1985 after they walked out in a dispute with margaret thatcher's government. scotland has already pardoned all those who took part in the strike. owen thompson , who's an mp for

owen thompson, who's an mp for the snp, wants the law changed in england and wales. the snp, wants the law changed in england and wales . and a in england and wales. and a large volcano is erupting in iceland , spewing lava and ash iceland, spewing lava and ash into the night sky. the spectacle started in the north of grindavik just after 10:00 last night, when two and a half mile long vents was ripped open. iceland's government says it doesn't pose a threat to life. thousands of people had already been evacuated from the area last month due to concerns over intense seismic activity . we you intense seismic activity. we you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com now back to andrew and . ellie. and. ellie. >> well, good morning to you. a huge volcano in southwest iceland has erupted after weeks of intense activity. iceland's prime minister has declared a state of national emergency . state of national emergency. >> well authorities had already

evacuated 4000 people from the area . they also closed the area. they also closed the nearby blue lagoon geothermal spa. one of iceland's most popular tourist attractions. well, joining us in the studio to explain all of this is the environmental nathan. >> nathan, um, when we had a volcano of this magnitude back in 2010, in iceland , it caused, in 2010, in iceland, it caused, um, the biggest downing of flights in europe since the second world war. it did . does second world war. it did. does this have the potential to do the same? >> no. now what? what? you were just to talking is the effects volcano, which glad you volcano, which is glad you pronounced . i was going to hand pronounced. i was going to hand it to you, andrew, it over to you, andrew, but i thought i'd better grab that one myself. yeah that was only myself. yeah that was not only a different type of volcano, a different type of volcano, a different area , a different cap. different type of volcano, a diffeitent area , a different cap. different type of volcano, a diffeitent a also a different cap. um it was also a different beast altogether . this volcano doesn't altogether. this volcano doesn't seem to be threatening to throw out a dust plume, a volcanic ash plume, which was the problem that we saw in 2010. and as you mentioned, that the mentioned, that caused the biggest shutdown traffic biggest shutdown in air traffic since world war two because it lasted right through from january until may. i mean, april

was when were really starting was when we were really starting to worry about it, but it, to worry about it, but but it, you know, spread all over europe. colossal cloud europe. this colossal ash cloud that meant couldn't travel that meant you couldn't travel this is slightly different now, the about this one is the good news about this one is even though it erupted really only matter of hours ago, it's only a matter of hours ago, it's been rumbling for a few weeks, but last night, the but only 10:00 last night, the icelandic met office announced that were to watch that they were going to watch this going to blow. this thing. it's going to blow. and is now, and it did. it is now, thankfully, the authorities saying seems to be intensifying slightly. so initial panic slightly. so the initial panic of we can see of this, even though we can see these pictures, still spectacular of this spectacular pictures of this lava yes magnificent. lava exploding. yes magnificent. to watch it from afar . to watch it from afar. absolutely terrifying. if you're close to that. but thankfully it seems that they will. i mean, it's very difficult to contain volcanic lava, but they don't think it's going to cause the impact it pretty isn't impact. it pretty much isn't going the impact that going to cause the impact that we saw in 2010. so fingers crossed. >> is this a fissure eruption or an eruption? you will an explosive eruption? you will know difference. an explosive eruption? you will knothis difference. an explosive eruption? you will knothis hasfference. an explosive eruption? you will knothis has been ce. an explosive eruption? you will knothis has been a. an explosive eruption? you will knothis has been a fissure >> this has been a fissure eruption we had a 3.5km eruption because we had a 3.5km fissure crack at the bottom of the volcano that was volcanic.

um earthquake activity. and that is what's causing this lava to flow. is actually a flow. this is actually a volcano. technically this volcano. so technically this is a volcano, but there is a fissure crack there as well. a volcano, but there is a fissuis crack there as well. a volcano, but there is a fissuis resting1ere as well. a volcano, but there is a fissuis resting1erethe well. a volcano, but there is a fissuis resting1erethe eurasian this is resting on the eurasian and american tectonic and north american tectonic plates this of iceland. so plates, this part of iceland. so it very volcanically active. it is very volcanically active. this is why we go there to have the hot springs and the lovely stuff we enjoy. but the stuff that we enjoy. but the flip side that, if we can flip side of that, if we can have terrifying scenes like this, as said from this, erupt, um, as i said from afar, beautiful to look and afar, beautiful to look at. and i mean, you're living near i mean, if you're living near this area, it's going to be scary for these people. >> and what is happening for people close people who do live very close by, because there is a fishing village 2.5 from village about 2.5 miles from where where is where this where this is exploding. what's happened to them? been them? because there has been concerns, isn't there? yes. >> an >> now there has been an exclusion put around this exclusion zone put around this thing. people thing. obviously so people cannot but the cannot go near it. but the authorities have evacuated 4000 people overnight away from the town from area , and town and from this area, and they have also put an exclusion zone in there. so you cannot get near it. there it now near it. there watching it now to how fast it's going to to see how fast it's going to spread, because lava is spread, because the lava is spreading now. spreading southwest now. grindavik to this

grindavik is southwest to this volcano, which is on the reykjanes peninsula, about 40km from . it's about 40km from reykjavik. it's about 40km from reykjavik. it's about 40km from the airport, but we don't expect any sort of travel huge travel disruption so far, but the lava seems to heading in the lava seems to be heading in a direction , and a southwesterly direction, and thatis a southwesterly direction, and that is going to be the path that is going to be in the path of fishing village. so of this fishing village. so again, authorities going again, the authorities are going to it. the to be looking at it. the president of iceland has said that priority is going to be that the priority is going to be preservation of life and preservation of life and preservation of life and preservation of infrastructure. they've slightly they've downgraded that slightly to seem be to say there doesn't seem to be an danger life an immediate danger to life because of this. now, as we can see, actually traffic seems to be running around the area. so the icelandic seem to getting the icelandic seem to be getting on with um, so in terms of on with it. um, so in terms of what happens, it's a sit and wait watch and but wait and watch and see. but i think the initial panic that we had five hours ago about how destructive was going be destructive this was going to be may have eased a bit, which is good news. >> that's a relief, >> yeah, that's a relief, isn't it? rahl, environmental it? nathan rahl, environmental journalist. you journalist. very good to see you this thank you very much. >> he talks with such passion about. >> he's very. he loves the weather. yeah >> he does. >> he does. >> oh, very good. >> oh, you're very good. >> oh, you're very good. >> you.

>> thank you. >> thank you. >> now, esther rantzen, who >> now, dame esther rantzen, who i personally think is a national treasure, has revealed she's treasure, has a revealed she's joined the assisted joined dignitas, the assisted dying switzerland, and dying clinic in switzerland, and she's going there, she's considering going there, as she said, off to as she said, popping off to zurich. latest scan shows zurich. if the latest scan shows no treatment zurich. if the latest scan shows no lung treatment zurich. if the latest scan shows no lung cancer. treatment zurich. if the latest scan shows no yes, cancer. treatment zurich. if the latest scan shows no yes, the icer. treatment zurich. if the latest scan shows no yes, the childline treatment zurich. if the latest scan shows no yes, the childline founder ent >> yes, the childline founder and broadcaster, who revealed earlier that her earlier this year that her cancer progressed to stage cancer had progressed to stage four, said it was unexplored, noted made to noted that she had made it to the christmas period. >> joining now is the >> well, joining us now is the associate of the catholic associate editor of the catholic herald, ashenden, herald, doctor gavin ashenden, doctor ashton , good doctor doctor ashton, good morning to you. you're a former chaplain to queen. if i can chaplain to the queen. if i can bnng chaplain to the queen. if i can bring into the conversation bring that into the conversation to many people , hearing dame to many people, hearing dame esther and reading her words today will they're . but today will think they're. but for grace of god, would for the grace of god, i would want the right to choose. she's a she's she's sound in her mind . a she's she's sound in her mind. she knows she wants. she she knows what she wants. she doesn't want children and doesn't want her children and close subjected to close family to be subjected to having a long, drawn out, painful illness. she wants the right to choose. she should be allowed that choice, shouldn't she ? she? >> i'm very sympathetic to that. and can i just say i'm deeply sorry that a cancer has spread

that far ? and when you say there that far? and when you say there for the grace of god, go, yeah, we're all going to go there. and we're all going to go there. and we all we're all preparing to die. in one sense, of course. um uh, the trouble is, i don't think this is a i've been arguing philosophy think this is a i've been arg the| philosophy think this is a i've been argthe last philosophy think this is a i've been argthe last few philosophy think this is a i've been arg the last few decades,ophy think this is a i've been arg the last few decades, but/ think this is a i've been arg the last few decades, but it for the last few decades, but it hasn't got very far because we have different philosophical backgrounds. christian. backgrounds. i'm a christian. i think don't have the right think we don't have the right over our own lives, but i think more really about economics more it's really about economics and is it's and justice. the problem is it's absolutely for esther absolutely fine for esther rantzen and for diana rigg and other wealthy , dependent people other wealthy, dependent people to make these moral decisions for themselves. the difficulty is when we legislate it for the whole of society, because at that point the poor then find themselves as a burden on the state with too few resources and the pressure to accept the early termination of their life will grow too great. it's the slippery slope argument, and i'm particularly when it comes to economics , that it almost always economics, that it almost always happens. >> but if they were to write into the legislation, then it could only apply once someone

has been given a terminal illness that their life has got no more than six months, doesn't that change things? particularly if then two doctors certified that the patient was of sound mind mentally ? mind mentally? >> well, yes , of course that's >> well, yes, of course that's a good argument. but the trouble is, that's not how things work in our culture. i mean, if you look, for example, at the abortion debate there was abortion debate where there was supposed to be very powerful safeguard in, they safeguard is written in, they simply over time simply been eroded over time under pressure and i've no doubt at all that the any safeguards we wrote in for euthanasia once we wrote in for euthanasia once we started the process will also be eroded. and it simply means that as people get old, even if there's even if the state does nothing, they'll look at themselves and think, i'm taking away resources my children away resources from my children and i better and grandchildren an i better p0p and grandchildren an i better pop or i the pressure i pop off or i the pressure i think will become enormous. and i think this is one of those things, as a matter of social policy , where issues of policy, where issues of economics and social justice and, and our psychology all mean that it's too fragile to

legislate in that kind of way . legislate in that kind of way. we're better off making sure that our doctors have a have a statutory right to save us rather than kill us. >> the legislation need to modernise us. i mean, dame esther rantzen, speaking today, has made a point about her family and friends and saying what a difficult position they are in. this doesn't just affect her, if they were to choose her, but if they were to choose to accompany to dignitas, to accompany her to dignitas, they face prosecute they could face prosecute labuschagne. i mean, you could face up to 14 years jail for face up to 14 years in jail for accompanying and you accompanying someone and you wouldn't a loved one did wouldn't want if a loved one did choose to go to dignitas, you wouldn't want feel though choose to go to dignitas, you wouwould'ant feel though choose to go to dignitas, you wouwould'ant back though choose to go to dignitas, you wouwould'ant back andiough choose to go to dignitas, you wouwould'ant back and face] you would come back and face criminal prosecution, would you? you would come back and face crimidoesn'tecution, would you? you would come back and face crimidoesn't seem n, would you? you would come back and face crimidoesn't seem fair.)uld you? you would come back and face crimidoesn't seem fair. noi you? that doesn't seem fair. no i agree with. >> have we lost him? >> have we lost him? >> you've lost him. >> you've lost him. >> we've lost doctor gavin ashenden . but thank you very ashenden. but thank you very much. he's the associate editor of the catholic herald. >> we've got her in the studio, as it happens. uh arlene foster. former of dup. uh of former leader of the dup. uh of this parish and covid a member of house lords, both of the house of lords, both members of house of lords.

arlene foster. i want talk to arlene foster. i want to talk to you first about if you don't mind what dame esther rantzen has said. i suspect you're closer to doctor ashenden. >> i am, and i think gavin has articulated it very well . and articulated it very well. and people talk about safeguards in the legislation. there is no watertight safeguard in relation to assisted dying , watertight safeguard in relation to assisted dying, and i think it would be a very slippery slope. and actually i attended and, um, a meeting in the house of lords recently where we were learning about the experiences in and other in canada and other jurisdictions they do jurisdictions where they do actually have assisted dying legislation. and it really was quite scary , andrew, because we quite scary, andrew, because we were hearing from people who , as were hearing from people who, as gavin said, were in a social situation. they felt they were a burden on their family. situation. they felt they were a burden on their family . they burden on their family. they felt that this was what they should really do and the doctors were encouraging them to go down this line . i mean, i was really this line. i mean, i was really shocked about that because obviously we look at doctors about as people who want to sustain life . and it's very

sustain life. and it's very interesting that when you look at the palliative care professionals in the united kingdom, 83% of them said that they would have nothing to do with assisted dying legislation because they want to help people to die. well, they do not want to die. well, they do not want to be involved in ending people's lives. >> i'm glad you mentioned canada , because am i right about this , , because am i right about this, arlene? in canada, even if you've got prolonged pronounced mental illness, you can opt for a form of assisted dying. >> and this is very, very worrying because, i mean, i heard you speaking to gavin there asking them about, you know, if you're of sound mind and you make decision and and you make this decision and look not be moved by look who could not be moved by what the master has said. i mean, this is a lady has mean, this is a lady who has lung and is clearly lung cancer and who is clearly in the latter stages of her life . but, i mean, in canada, if you have mental health problems, that's no bar. that's no bar. that's really, really, really scary. yeah. and i think we really need to . take a step back really need to. take a step back from this. i understand people

going through really difficult diseases and illnesses and they look at this they say, would look at this and they say, would it not be better i ended my it not be better if i ended my life? but we need to have a really full conversation about this. >> naukova ranger, do you >> naukova ranger, what do you think? do you think there should be free, vote on this? be a free, free vote on this? >> there should be a >> i think there should be a free vote, but i agree with what arlene saying as well, because also, look at society now also, as we look at society now and are living and we all do, are living longer, we're living with conditions for longer. there could pressure could be that increased pressure to say , well, you know, is it to say, well, you know, is it worth it? and you could find society changing its mind and how we treat very older people , how we treat very older people, especially when they have these illnesses . and the other side of illnesses. and the other side of it is that we won't be looking at these illnesses in terms of having better standard of care when we have if there's when we have them. if there's this out now, i'm saying this option out now, i'm saying that's an extreme to go that's an extreme way to go down. but when start opening down. but when you start opening this lead to those this door, it can lead to those unintended consequences, much like seeing like what we're sort of seeing in stress testing in canada. so the stress testing of these kinds of things, we should really note what's should really take note what's happened countries and happened in other countries and probably but i probably be warned. but i do

believe it should a free believe it should be a free vote. i think it shouldn't be something that is dictated. >> think should be a >> oh no, i think it should be a free vote. absolutely it should be a free vote. think, uh, be a free vote. but i think, uh, i understand why people i can understand why people would see it as an attractive opfion would see it as an attractive option oh, we should option and say, oh, we should as a modern country, allow people to their own lives. if to take their own lives. if they're end of they're coming near the end of a terrible illness. but there's so many to and many consequences to this, and vulnerable people should be something really think something that we really think about. older people, i mean, already, andrew, as you know, when people go into when older people go into hospitals, know, you're hospitals, you know, you're concerned they are getting concerned that they are getting the care that they desire because i've heard doctors say, oh, they've had a good life. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> do what i mean? >> do you know what i mean? >> do you know what i mean? >> you've had a good >> yeah. you've had a good innings. as if that's the end. >> but i think, you know, the thing really concerns me is thing that really concerns me is if we start aligning with if we start aligning it with the cost well. cost as well. >> because that's where it >> yeah. because that's where it starts become really starts to become a really serious conversation. as soon as people length of people start equating length of life with of and then life with cost of care. and then there's option. think there's another option. i think that's a worrying situation that's a very worrying situation for esther for someone like dame esther rantzen those who are living for someone like dame esther rant.terminalhose who are living for someone like dame esther rant.terminal illnesses. are living with terminal illnesses. >> mean, they would say they

>> i mean, they would say they have a right to choose when they want want to die want to die. they want to die with dignity. those few weeks and of their and months at the end of their life be incredibly painful, life can be incredibly painful, not just on themselves, but also emotionally family. you emotionally on their family. you would very would think perhaps under very strict circumstances, that someone does have right to choose. >> i think you're right. i think not one of us will not have probably been through these circumstances one circumstances with loved one family etc. and family and friends, etc. and it's hard, hard part of life. it's a hard, hard part of life. seeing that happen and going through it . seeing that happen and going through it. but i think we have to also bear in mind the consequences. so again, the open debate, the understanding of what will be the legal consequences, what are the pressures that how can you stress test this. and then we have that, that open conversation as arlene saying, i think society will step back and take a look at this again because we are getting into more ageing but ageing population. yeah, but i think is some value in think there is some value in that ageing population. i think there's don't there's purpose and i don't think this for me personally is not the way i would the laws will be that.

>> molly meacher led the campaign and the laws a couple of years ago, and her bill was defeated, of course. um do you think what's your sense in parliament, arlene? do you sense the mood has swung towards assisted dying now? i think it's certainly changing . certainly changing. >> i think it probably is changing, especially with high profile people like dear master raising the issues. prue leith, of course, famously , yeah. um, of course, famously, yeah. um, because she witnessed her brother dying in quite a painful way . she has been wanting to way. she has been wanting to have those conversations as well. her son, of course, takes a different yeah, he he a different view. yeah, he he takes a view of the right to life. yes. danny kruger so i think it will come back and i think it will come back and i think probably the lords is the place where it will come back to first, and we will have that discussion. i remember sitting in this studio when the last debate along in the house debate came along in the house of lords. was on a friday and of lords. it was on a friday and it went the whole day. there were so many people who wanted to i think it went to speak in it. i think it went on until late the evening. on until late in the evening. i think people are concerned about it, but publicly think there it, but publicly i think there needs more an awareness

needs to be more of an awareness as because when you ask as well, because when you ask the public, you the public, what do you understand? assisted understand? by assisted dying, there's not really there's a whole it's not really understood is meant by understood what is meant by that. we do need to have the that. so we do need to have the conversation. afraid conversation. but i'm afraid i would on side of putting would be on the side of putting more funding into palliative care, allowing people today. care, to allowing people today. well, and i think that's what we should be concentrating on. >> but certainly very complex, should be concentrating on. >> bit. certainly very complex, should be concentrating on. >> bit. you ainly very complex, should be concentrating on. >> bit. you ainly have complex, should be concentrating on. >> bit. you ainly have an nplex, isn't it. you will have an opinion home. gb views at gb opinion at home. gb views at gb news. com look, whilst we've got you both wanted ask you about news. com look, whilst we've got you irecordanted ask you about news. com look, whilst we've got you irecord payj ask you about news. com look, whilst we've got you irecord pay rise,ask you about news. com look, whilst we've got you irecord pay rise, hike ou about mps record pay rise, hike £6,000, pay pay hike next year up to £92,731. very nice indeed . up to £92,731. very nice indeed. lord ranger . lord ranger. >> i believe this has something to do with inflation. um, i think inflation is currently below 5. it is. it is. >> this sits at 7.1. look at this point, i think parliamentarians have to think carefully about the pay rise that there is there . that there is there. >> um, it's not a good look . you >> um, it's not a good look. you know, we've got public services looking at the rises that we can apply there. obviously we know

about the strikes. we know about the challenges . i'm not one for the challenges. i'm not one for saying that mps aren't paid , um, saying that mps aren't paid, um, aren't paid the right amount. i think there something to be think there is something to be said is an mp salary said about where is an mp salary benchmarks? where is it benchmarked against senior civil servants? it servants? where is it benchmarked against gps? it's not bracket . so there is not in that bracket. so there is an issue about where mps salaries sit at the moment . but salaries sit at the moment. but obviously applying these increases at this point in time is a difficult. >> and arlene nurses and a lot of nhs frontline workers got 5% when inflation was already . yeah when inflation was already. yeah was much higher. it was in double figures this this is it. what i mean is covid right. it doesn't look good. >> no it certainly doesn't look good. but we have to remember that this isn't set by parliamentarians. no i get except by independent payment. i think it's the independent parliamentary standards authority sets and authority that sets this. and they it in october and they they took it in october and they in october, apparently . uh, if in october, apparently. uh, if you looked at it, um, the public sector pay was 7% higher in

october this year than it was last year . and that's why last year. and that's why they've come up with this figure, um, and, and this has been the case since 2010, since the expense scandal, which you'll of course, remember , uh, you'll of course, remember, uh, mps said, right. we're not going to our anymore. we're to set our pay anymore. we're going send it over the going to send it over to the independent body. and when the independent body. and when the independent comes back and independent body comes back and says, there's says, here's what it is, there's always outcry. oh, we can't always an outcry. oh, we can't set. you know, do believe set. and, you know, i do believe if you want to get the right people parliament, if you if you want to get the right peop|to parliament, if you if you want to get the right peop|to get parliament, if you if you want to get the right peop|to get the iament, if you if you want to get the right peop|to get the right�*it, if you if you want to get the right peop|to get the right people u if you want to get the right peop|to get the right people in want to get the right people in to be our members of parliament, then we have pay them. and then we have to pay them. and that's the reality. >> they do have the right to >> but they do have the right to suggest rate. they suggest a lower pay rate. they do. you think that do you do. do you think that do you think should happen? think that should happen? >> do you know what? they >> and do you know what? they probably will because they'll be under to take. >> $- take. >> rolls around and you >> april rolls around and you can hear keir starmer and can just hear keir starmer and rishi sunak both going to rishi sunak are both going to say taking the pay say they're not taking the pay rise. well, it's the same every time. every the time. yeah, every time the leaders we leaders don't take it. yeah, we have to you. you're not have to ask you. you're not accepting the bribe. then £2.5 billion northern ireland billion in northern ireland personally. billion in northern ireland personalyeah. >> me? yeah. >> me? yeah. >> bring the devolved >> to bring back the devolved power sharing. >> look, i mean, if i think we

discussed we did discussed this last week, we did um, a of talking um, there is a lot of talking still to done, as i still to be done, as i understand it in terms of the financial to get financial package to get northern on northern ireland back on a financial sustainability footing, but also the issue of the windsor and the windsor framework and whether that's going be whether that's going to be settled. is the government settled. um is the government going bring forward going to bring forward legislation to secure legislation on to secure northern ireland's within northern ireland's place within the that have to the uk? all of that will have to be and i'm not be sorted out. and i'm not a betting woman, but if you'd ask me last week, i would have said no, it's not going to happen before christmas. >> mean you don't get >> does that mean you don't get does that mean the £25 billion inducements does that mean the £25 billion induceme will not be withdrawn. >> no, it will not be withdrawn. >> no, it will not be withdrawn. >> although chris heaton—harris is making a statement today, the secretary state for northern secretary of state for northern ireland. so it'll be interesting to has to say. look, to see what he has to say. look, the pressure was all on to get it done by christmas. it'll probably new year. probably happen in the new year. >> okay. uh, ranger, >> okay, okay. uh, lord ranger, we have but i did we don't have long, but i did want ask you about baroness want to ask you about baroness michelle mone. do you think she should removed now from the should be removed now from the house of lords? >> personally look, i'm >> i personally do. look, i'm a new i've just entered the new peer. i've just entered the house it's a great house of lords. it's a great privilege. great honour. privilege. it's a great honour.

i lot of people asking me i have a lot of people asking me about it because. and i'm still learning about what it's. and then situation then we have this situation which reputation of which affects the reputation of the institution. and me personally, feel it affects my personally, i feel it affects my reputation i'm reputation because i'm associated this. associated with this. so when this the situation, i think this is the situation, i think she should be removed and be be put deal put taken away from it. deal with the issue outside the house of remove the house of lords. remove from the house of lords. remove from the house of and then when there's of lords and then when there's some kind of resolution, we can see when the smoke see whether when the smoke clears. i find it clears. but right now i find it a difficult situation as a very difficult situation as it's almost great unsaid. it's almost a great unsaid. yesterday to other yesterday i was saying to other people, going on? people, what's going on? and people, what's going on? and people feel shocked people are we all feel shocked because you enter the house because when you enter the house of you feel the of lords, you do feel the responsibility. you feel the responsibility. you do feel the accountability and the pride of the institution you're representing. the country we're representing. the country we're representing. so i think we have to behave in a certain way. >> and just very briefly, what do you think, arlene? she didn't declare even in the house of lords register interest, her lords register of interest, her financial and she financial interest here and she knew to. knew she had to. >> i have to say, um, >> well, i have to say, um, watching her on sunday, i was wondering, her pr expert was they should sacked. never they should be sacked. never hire expert was not the word

>> expert was not the word i would have. >> but, you know, i mean, the woman obviously should have declared she declared what was going on. she now and says that now comes out and says that she's a scapegoat. she's been made a scapegoat. note. sorry. what >> yeah, yeah. out the door. >> yeah, yeah. out the door. >> i think well, she >> yeah, i think well, she should herself. should do it herself. >> course. yeah >> of course. yeah >> of course. yeah >> she should resign herself. >> she should resign herself. >> all right . arlene foster and >> all right. arlene foster and lord ranger barry. good to see you this morning. thank you very much stay with us. we're much indeed. stay with us. we're going to be about going to be talking about dentist tree. four out of five dentists taking dentists in england not taking on nhs patients. apparently on new nhs patients. apparently universal likely universal dental care has likely gone this is britain's gone for good. this is britain's newsroom on brighter outlook with the sponsors with boxt solar, the sponsors of whether on . gb news. whether on. gb news. >> hello. good morning, alex batty gill here with your latest gb news weather forecast. whilst in the north there will be some wintry showers today in the south, many of us have woken up to a wet start. some persistent rain here could cause some problems the roads this problems on the roads this morning but all gradually morning, but it is all gradually going to clear away towards the southeast as we through the

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day. >> good morning. it's 10 am. on tuesday the 19th of december. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and me. ellie costello . ellie costello. >> politicians pay rise. guess what? they're going to get a bigger pay hike than nurses and ambulance workers. the extra £6,000 will take their salary to 92,000. >> dame esther rantzen has revealed she has joined assisted dying clinic dignity in switzerland, and will consider going there to end her life as she battles with stage four lung cancer. >> cancen >> should the miners . strike? >> should the miners. strike? should the miners strike or get a pardon? an snp has launched a legal bid to pardon miners convicted of offences during the strikes in the 1980s. our political correspondent katherine has the latest i >> -- >> yes, >> yes , it's already happened in >> yes, it's already happened in scotland, where last year the law was changed to pardon convicted miners. they're now an snp mp wants that change to come to england and wales as well .

to england and wales as well. i'll bring you more shortly. >> schools, transguide . it's the >> schools, transguide. it's the long awaited guidelines have beenin long awaited guidelines have been in the works since 2018 and say there will be no sanctions for teachers if a pupil's preferred pronouns are not used . preferred pronouns are not used. >> lewd and indecent . a volcano >> lewd and indecent. a volcano erupted. it's erupted in the south—west of the country after weeks of intense earthquake activity. about 4000 people have been evacuated . and. been evacuated. and. well we want all of your views today on any of the stories that we are talking about, but especially assisted dying. >> do you think there should be a free vote in parliament? do let us know. she's a national treasure, isn't she? >> mrjohnson ? she's. and she's >> mrjohnson? she's. and she's campaigned overjournalistic campaigned all over journalistic life, campaigning in life, has been campaigning in the last 20 years. she's been campaigning for older people's rights silver that rights with silver line, that line set up so i think she's line she set up so i think she's going a very potent voice

going to be a very potent voice in this debate. >> yeah. let us know what you think that. think about that. vaiews@gbnews.com. first, vaiews@gbnews.com. but first, let's tatiana sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> ali, thank you very much. and good morning. this is the latest from the gb newsroom guides for schools on how manage schools on how to manage children wish to change children who may wish to change their gender will be published today. it's understood the guidelines, which are not legally enforceable, will require schools to inform parents if their children say they'd like to change genders . they'd like to change genders. there will be no obligation to allow students to socially transition or to provide gender neutral facilities . teachers neutral facilities. teachers will also be given the choice to opt out of using a student's chosen pronoun if they have a reasonable objection. the stonewall charity says the guidance has not properly considered the needs of trans and gender diverse youth . and gender diverse youth. britain will join an international coalition to protect ships as they sail through the red sea after a recent series of attacks , houthi

recent series of attacks, houthi militants in yemen have been stepping up assaults on vessels as they pass through one of the world's most important shipping routes. the group is backed by iran and allied with the hamas terror group. it's prompted bp to pause all its tankers in the area. the royal navy's hms diamond shot down a suspected attack drone at the weekend . attack drone at the weekend. it's understood the destroyer will be part of the new patrols . will be part of the new patrols. council planning departments are expected to be put on notice today as the housing secretary cracks down on those accused of dragging their feet on new applications . michael gove will applications. michael gove will call out local authorities with a history of poor performance on building new homes. it's understood that some councils will be given three months to improve or risk having their powers stripped and developments forced them . labour forced upon them. labour described plans as described mr gove's plans as truly through the looking glass , truly through the looking glass, but housing minister lee rowley says houses are being built . says houses are being built. >> we go back to the early 2010s. it was about 100 to

150,000 a year. we're now into the 240,000 a year, but most amount of housebuilding in the past 30 years has been in recent years . we've got more to do. years. we've got more to do. there's no doubt about that. but we're going to hit the 1 million houses this parliament and we are increasing building even dunng are increasing building even during times of economic challenge . and there's going to challenge. and there's going to be challenge in the coming months. but the progress is still made. the old model still being made. the old model accessing dental care in england is gone for good. >> that's the warning from a leading think most leading think tank. most dentists are longer taking on dentists are no longer taking on new patients with warnings. new nhs patients with warnings. the service is in decay and at its worst point in 75 years, according to the nuffield trust, spending on dental services has dropped by more than half £1 billion since 2015, it says. the universal service is no longer offered by the nhs , and offered by the nhs, and recommends the government take some difficult decisions to ensure those most in need continue to receive basic care . continue to receive basic care. dame esther rantzen says she'll consider using assisted dying as

she battles lung cancer. the broadcaster, known for starting the childline charity , revealed the childline charity, revealed in may that her cancer had progressed to stage four. speaking to the bbc, she revealed she's joined the swiss organisation dignitas, which provides doctor supervised assisted dying . she's calling assisted dying. she's calling for a free vote in parliament, saying it's important that the law catches up with what the country wants . mind workers who country wants. mind workers who went on strike in the 1980s could have their convictions overturned as part of a bill to be presented in parliament today, thousands of miners were arrested in 1984 and 1985 after they walked out in a dispute with margaret thatcher's government. scotland has already pardoned all those who took part in the strike. owen thompson, who's an mp for the snp, wants the law changed in england and wales as well. human rights lawyer david haig told gb news the bill doesn't go far enough . the bill doesn't go far enough. >> it's all very well pardoning people when there's been injustices, but the legislation

injustices, but the legislation in scotland wasn't extended to coven in scotland wasn't extended to cover, compensate the people cover, compensate for the people that pardoned because, that have been pardoned because, of a country is of course, if a country is saying you wrong, saying sorry, we did you wrong, there some recompense there should be some recompense for that. so that's that's the first thing terms of what first thing in terms of what does ifit first thing in terms of what does if it passes here, does it mean if it passes here, it means that the people's convictions, which were things like public order, i mean, again, too young to again, i was too young to remember the strikes as well . remember the strikes as well. but it will mean things like convictions for public order offences at those times will be quashed, but it won't extend to compensation or other other other remedies. >> a large volcano is erupting in iceland, spewing lava and ash into the sky. the spectacle started north of grindavik just after 10:00 last night. thousands of people were evacuated from the area last month due to concerns over intense seismic activity . see intense seismic activity. see these pictures are coming to us live. those watching us on television will be able to see lava continuing to bubble out of that two and a half mile long crack in the earth, iceland's government says it doesn't pose a threat to life . but curious

a threat to life. but curious sightseers are warned to keep away . this is gb sightseers are warned to keep away. this is gb news sightseers are warned to keep away . this is gb news across the away. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to andrew, nelly . now back to andrew, nelly. thanks so much, tatiana. >> so many of you getting in touch this morning. thank you so much for your company. lots of you getting in touch on dame esther rantzen. very sad news. stage cancer. and stage four lung cancer. and she's now saying she's signed up for clinic in for dignitas clinic in switzerland. and she would be looking own if looking to take her own life if there's improvement on her there's no improvement on her condition. ronnie says euthanasia should be an option for people if an animal is suffering, we put it down humanely. >> why shouldn't people be treated in the same way? >> and of course, the argument to that would be that people, human sanctity human beings, have more sanctity of an animal would. of life than an animal would. but yes, very good point made but yes, a very good point made by rob right to by ronnie. rob says the right to die. well, i lost my wife of 53

years april this year, very years in april this year, very sorry to hear rob said she sorry to hear that, rob said she had pneumonia , thankfully had pneumonia, thankfully no pain, end she was pain, but at the end she was drowning lung fluid. drowning in her lung fluid. it was very frightening. the was very frightening. in the last of her life, she asked last week of her life, she asked the nurse could have a the nurse if she could have a tablet to take at night so that she would not wake she she would not wake up. she wanted pass in her wanted to pass away in her sleep. obviously wanted sleep. obviously i wanted every second the of second possible with the love of my life, but i would have been very happy for her to have taken that and have that that tablet and to have that right the last few days of right in the last few days of her life, to stop the suffering. yes, says there be yes, rob says there should be a free vote in parliament very powerful there. >> says right die >> and lee says right to die should an in the last should be an option. in the last week so, my grandad had care, week or so, my grandad had care, struggling with pain from bone cancen struggling with pain from bone cancer, for months, cancer, incontinent for months, broke while broke his leg while being treated was in treated in hospital. he was in agony. sad. agony. very sad. >> yeah, very very difficult. and you get into that and it is when you get into that question dignity, isn't it? question of dignity, isn't it? especially last few weeks question of dignity, isn't it? e perhaps last few weeks question of dignity, isn't it? e perhaps people last few weeks question of dignity, isn't it? eperhaps people should/ weeks question of dignity, isn't it? eperhaps people should haveks question of dignity, isn't it? eperhaps people should have a , perhaps people should have a right to die. let us know what you gb news. com you think. gb views gb news. com now politicians are going to receive £6,000 hike next yeah >> that's right, you did hear it. over 7% taking the it. just over 7% taking the

salaries to £92,700. >> yes. this comes after a series of public sector wage hikes, which will see mps getting a bigger pay rise than nurses and ambulance workers. >> well , in nurses and ambulance workers. >> well, in the studio. this is the tory mp for shipley, philip davis, well known to our viewers. philip how are viewers. philip morning. how are you? are you rubbing your hands with pay rise? with glee at this pay rise? >> my hands. >> my hands. >> but the punishment beating i'm to get. >> but the punishment beating i'm you to get. >> but the punishment beating i'myou are to get. >> but the punishment beating i'm you are going get. >> but the punishment beating i'm you are going getget >> you are going to get a punishment, peter. look, i know this recommended by a this is recommended by a separate body. not separate body. you're not setting but it setting your own pay, but it doesn't look good, it? doesn't look good, does it? well no, never good. no, it never looks good. >> i mean, when i got elected to parliament, we used to vote each >> i mean, when i got elected to parli on ent, we used to vote each >> i mean, when i got elected to parli on our we used to vote each >> i mean, when i got elected to parli on our ownrsed to vote each >> i mean, when i got elected to parli on our own pay to vote each >> i mean, when i got elected to parli on our own pay .0 vote each >> i mean, when i got elected to parli on our own pay . and e each >> i mean, when i got elected to parli on our own pay . and noneh >> i mean, when i got elected to parli on our own pay . and none of year on our own pay. and none of us, not none of us found it a particularly edifying process, to perfectly so to be perfectly honest. and so after expenses after the expenses scandal, everyone said, is everyone said, this is outrageous. should set by outrageous. it should be set by an independent body. so and an independent body. so lo and behold, right, okay, behold, we said, right, okay, brilliant. actually brilliant. we don't actually want involved in this want to get involved in this ehheh want to get involved in this either. to be perfectly honest. so independent body so here's an independent body to decide now make decide it. and now they make a recommendation. now everyone say, well actually mp should recommendation. now everyone say, well idecisionvip should recommendation. now everyone say, well (decision now. |ould recommendation. now everyone say, well (decision now. and make this decision now. and overall body overall the independent body i mean can't we.

mean we can't win can we. whatever we do, the ipso who set the formula which is the pay have a formula which is that it's the average public that it's the average of public sector workers rises each sector workers pay rises each yeah i sector workers pay rises each year, i mean, you know, year, which i mean, you know, i don't know how do you think it should be calculated? i mean, i don't know, however it's calculated. we're going to get a beating about it . beating about it. >> and you know what's happened. richard sunak to richard rishi sunak is going to say, taking the pay say, i'm not taking the pay rise. keir starmer, rise. rich keir starmer, who's on £160,000, he won't on 150, £160,000, says he won't take the pay rise and then you, you backbenchers are made to look like your greedy, grasping whatsits. >> well, look, i don't think being an mp is a particularly popular profession. so if we're not getting a punishment, beating for that, well, we're getting it for something else. to be perfectly honest, not my view is it's always been my view ever since i got into parliament is it should be set independent fee it's set independently. fee and it's set independently. it should have nothing to do with does have nothing to with us. it does have nothing to do us. and if people don't do with us. and if people don't think what's proposed is think what's being proposed is right, should make right, they should make their views they're the ones views to ipsa. they're the ones who decision. don't who make the decision. don't take us.

take it out on us. >> you're going to take the full right, are you? >> i'll be paid. >> well, of course i'll be paid. whatever. if they if they if they cut my pay, i'll. i'll be paid whatever paid. in fact, paid whatever i'm paid. in fact, to be perfectly honest, there is no mechanism for accepting no mechanism for not accepting it. perfectly honest, it. to be perfectly honest, you will paid will be paid it. >> but they have the right >> yeah, but they have the right say to them. >> give the money >> you can give the money to charity. >> could do, you could do >> you could do, you could do that. there's no mechanism that. but there's no mechanism for accepting it. no for not accepting it. no but ipso have the right doesn't ipso does have the right doesn't it, to to, suggest a lower pay rise. >> and there is going to be pressure to that. pressure on them to do that. isn't april isn't it? especially by april when we're seeing inflation come down already. already down already. i mean, already inflation at 4.6. this this pay rise at 7.1. it's not a great rise is at 7.1. it's not a great look is it. >> it's their decision. they can make decision. but you make the decision. but do you think should down think it should come down by. well moment start well look i the moment you start getting this start getting into this you start getting into this you start getting on the getting into mps deciding on the pay getting into mps deciding on the pay or whatever. i don't pay rise or whatever. i don't think should anything think you should have anything to decision, the to do with me. the decision, the decision is ipsis. perfectly to do with me. the decision, the decisicfors ipsis. perfectly to do with me. the decision, the decisicfor it psis. perfectly to do with me. the decision, the decisicfor it to is. perfectly to do with me. the decision, the decisicfor it to be perfectly to do with me. the decision, the decisicfor it to be pe i'm:ly happy for it to be ipsis. i'm perfectly content whatever perfectly content with whatever they not be they decide. i will not be bellyaching say it bellyaching if they say it should 2, 3, 4, i will not should be 2, 3, 4, i will not be. i i've never bellyached about the decision about what the decision is and i will accept it, whatever it is.

what will say is i think there what i will say is i think there is of a myth and i've is a bit of a myth and i've never accepted the argument that if more, you will if you pay mps more, you will get better that's get better mps. that's interesting. don't interesting. i don't i don't accept arlene foster was accept that arlene foster was saying you want decent saying just that you want decent mps, got pay them. mps, you've got to pay them. i don't accept that argument. i think you know, of us would think you know, many of us would have been better staying in have been better off staying in our private sector ourjobs in the private sector when went into parliament. we when we went into parliament. we didn't pay, you didn't come in for the pay, you know, think want know, and i don't think you want people the pay. to people coming in for the pay. to be honest, i think you be perfectly honest, i think you want coming because want people coming in because they want to because public they want to because it's public service the service and they want to do the right think the right thing. and i think the things deter people from things that deter people from becoming parliament becoming members of parliament is pay. i think it's the is not the pay. i think it's the abuse you get on social media and the scrutiny the and all the scrutiny that's the bit separate your bit that separate you from your family. i, i'm not family. exactly. so i, i'm not one of those mps who thinks that if you increase the pay, you'll get better mps on the back it. >> do you think £92,000 a year is fair for work that you do? >> it's not for me to decide. >> it's not for me to decide. >> it's not for me to decide. >> it's for. but you talk there about scrutiny and about, you know, the on social media know, the abuse on social media £92,000. that 93 actually? £92,000. is that 93 actually? >> if you're rounding

>> well, 93 if you're rounding it up , is it fair. it up, is it fair. >> it's for it's other >> it's for it's for other people. it's to people. it's for ipso to determine what's right and what's wrong what's fair. what's wrong and what's fair. i i not want to get involved in i do not want to get involved in that. i'm saying is it will that. all i'm saying is it will not make difference to me not make any difference to me as to whether i was an mp, whether i a pay rise or not. i was given a pay rise or not. i'm not in it for the pay and i don't think most mps are in it for the pay. to be perfectly frank, bad. frank, i know we get a bad. i think that's right. i genuinely don't. >> i think i often say don't off mps like that because there are 1 bad but most of 1 or 2 bad apples, but most of them very hard and them work very hard and i wouldn't want to do the job and i wouldn't. i wouldn't want to do the job and iwouldn't. i really wouldn't want to do the job and i wouldn't. i really wouldn't wouldn't want to do the job and i wout01't. i really wouldn't wouldn't want to do the job and i wouto do i really wouldn't wouldn't want to do the job and i wouto do yourlly wouldn't wouldn't want to do the job and i wouto do yourlly \forldn't wouldn't want to do the job and i wouto do yourlly \for it,|'t want to do your job for it, because i think not because i think it's not glamorous. lot grief. glamorous. it's a lot of grief. and media changed and social media has changed everything. talking of people who seen to be in it who might be seen to be in it for money, mone for the money, baroness mone yes. recall a more yes. i can't recall a more misguided political interview of recent years. it was every moment she opened her mouth . moment she opened her mouth. what are you doing, woman? she wasn't digging a hole. she was doing with a jcb made prince doing it with a jcb made prince andrew's decision. >> look positively like a good idea. >> unbelievable.

>> unbelievable. >> uh, no. i mean, it was extraordinary. and um. look, i mean, you know, she . the mean, you know, she. the question you've got to ask yourself is, why did she take leave of absence from the house of lords? you know, she of lords? you know, if she if she didn't. well says she's she didn't. well she says she's done clear her name. done it to clear her name. >> you know, she didn't >> well, you know, she didn't declare was declare the money she was getting company in the getting from that company in the register interest. register of interest. >> that's first thing they >> that's the first thing they lied. admitted lied. she's admitted to the press, that's not crime. press, but that's not a crime. apparently, it's a crime. apparently, it's not a crime. but lie the press, i'm but if you lie to the press, i'm not building up what we do, philip. lying to the philip. but you are lying to the public. because that's how a lot of the get their of the public get their information through programs of the public get their inf0|this. on through programs of the public get their inf0|this. on tnewspaper. rams of the public get their inf0|this. on tnewspaper. sors of the public get their inf0|this.on tnewspaper. so she like this. my newspaper. so she was lying to everybody. she was lying to taxpayers? >> no, i it's indefensible >> no, i mean, it's indefensible as concerned , as far as i'm concerned, completely indefensible. have completely indefensible. i have noidea completely indefensible. i have no idea why she did the interview . um, but i don't think interview. um, but i don't think we'll see in the house of we'll see him in the house of lords again. we'll see him in the house of lor> there's no procedure. is there? i last happened in 1918. philip. yeah >> not. not aware of >> i'm not. i'm not aware of what procedure is as not what the procedure is as i'm not a member, i don't know. but i a member, so i don't know. but i don't think we'll ever see him in the of lords again. i

in the house of lords again. i think say that. think we can safely say that. >> would that's >> but people would say that's fine. won't because fine. she won't go because she'll because nobody she'll stay away because nobody wants shouldn't, wants her there. but shouldn't, shouldn't be mechanism? shouldn't there be a mechanism? because peers were because the last time peers were kicked they were seen as kicked out was they were seen as traitors irish peers. traitors. they were irish peers. back in 1918, too close to , uh, back in 1918, too close to, uh, the kaiser bill in germany. so they were kicked out . but not they were kicked out. but not not since 1918. has a peer been kicked out. what? there must have been peers who've done really bad things . who should really bad things. who should have been kicked out. you can be suspended, course, but suspended, of course, but shouldn't. mechanism, clearly. >> i mean, because you get kicked out. yes, exactly. >> in the commons. kicked out. yes, exactly. >> in the commons . yes. >> in the commons. yes. >> in the commons. yes. >> think i think there >> but i think i think there should mechanism should be a mechanism for i genuinely don't know what the what the process is because i'm not a member of it and i'm highly be a member not a member of it and i'm higit.y be a member of it. >> i think that's probably fair. >> i think that's probably fair. >> comment. uh, but but but there should be there clearly should mechanism should be a mechanism for removing people, uh, who have behaved removing people, uh, who have beiyeah philip, whilst >> yeah. okay. philip, whilst we've ask you we've got you wanted to ask you about de mrjohnson. uh very sad news. she's got stage four lung canceh news. she's got stage four lung cancer. up for cancer. she has signed up for dignitas clinic in switzerland , dignitas clinic in switzerland, and she is now calling for mps

to be given a free vote on changing the rules around assisted dying. do you think that there should be a free vote? well , we had free vote. >> uh, not. i'm trying to think how many years ago it was 2015. it was. it was about yeah. it was. it was about 2015. yeah. we have vote and an we did have a free vote and an mps voted overwhelmingly to retain the status quo, as did i. i might um, look , esther i might add, um, look, esther rantzen, remarkable woman . rantzen, remarkable woman. absolutely remarkable. i've got nothing but praise for her. um, and i've got a massive amounts of sympathy for people who find themselves in a situation where they want their own life. they want to end their own life. and how can and in principle, how can you argue something? their argue with something? it's their decision. it's their life. why should be able to? should they not be able to? i think the problem with changing the is the unintended the law is the unintended consequences it, whether consequences of it, and whether or new, unfair or not you create new, unfair inessin or not you create new, unfair iness in the system. so there are some people who, yes, of course, they want to end their own and you might say , own life. and you might say, well, shouldn't be. but well, why it shouldn't be. but of are some people of course there are some people who want end who don't really want to end their life. yeah, and they'd their own life. yeah, and they'd be making a decision be forced into making a decision once allowed to make a once you're allowed to make a decision, effect decision, you're in effect

forced make a decision forced him to make a decision whether it's yes or and whether it's yes or no. and there'd people there'd be lots of people who might actually, might think, well, actually, i'll because don't i'll say yes, because i don't want a on my want to be a burden on my family. though they're not family. even though they're not a family. a burden on their family. they might feel they're a burden on their think their family. and i think the problem may end problem with it is you may end up people choosing that course of action who don't really want up people choosing that course of ibut>n who don't really want up people choosing that course of but feelio don't really want up people choosing that course of but feel thatin't really want up people choosing that course of but feel that they're ly want to, but feel that they're a burden and so burden on their family. and so my fear is if you change the law , yes, of course you deal with the situation like the terrible situation like esther rantzen's in and everyone has sympathy for that. my fear is would new is you would create new injustices where people are making that decision , when making that decision, when really deep down they don't really deep down they don't really want to make. >> we spoke to gavin essinger, who's a former chaplain to the queen. on the board of the queen. he's on the board of the catholic he said, catholic herald, and he said, it's is it's sympathetic as he is to esther she's a woman of esther rantzen. she's a woman of money, so she can afford to go to he to dignitas. she can. uh, but he said, about far poorer said, what about far poorer families where there will be pressure on just the people you're talking about? and that's why he thought the law shouldn't be changed. why he thought the law shouldn't be yeah.ed. why he thought the law shouldn't be yeah. look, there's no >> yeah. look, there's no painless panacea here of an

outcome. you know, you can you if you look at one case in isolation or one set of circumstances in isolation, then of course, people will say we must change the law. but when you when you to change the you when you vote to change the law in parliament, you've got to be of what be mindful of what the unintended that unintended consequences of that are . and i'm convinced that are. and i'm not convinced that it it wouldn't create new injustices and new unfairnesses that then people will say, well, hold on, we never really expected this or wanted this. and i'm not persuaded of the case the law. case for changing the law. >> about even just changing >> what about even just changing the legislation so that family and cannot be and friends cannot be prosecuted? were to prosecuted? if they were to accompany someone to dignitas because that's what dame esther rantzen about, rantzen is talking about, not just she's saying just herself, but she's saying her family and friends are in a difficult where difficult position now where they years in they face up to 14 years in prison if they accompany her there. >> yeah, well, you see, the thing is, if you if you remove all of the penalties from, then for others, not for. no, but you're still effect , um, by you're still in effect, um, by by definition, you're helping to legalise that process. i think these are very difficult

decisions . i these are very difficult decisions. i don't think any mp finds them very easy. nobody's sort of gung ho about the decision. it's a balance between how do we protect people at the same time as giving people the freedom to make their own decisions, and there is a conflict there between protecting vulnerable people and also giving people freedom of choice . um, i'm just not choice. um, i'm just not persuaded . i think you've got to persuaded. i think you've got to be to change the law. you've got to be persuaded that of the change. i'm not necessarily yet persuaded of the change, but it's they're very difficult decisions. to get decisions. we're going to get the after five years. >> guidance on for schools >> the guidance on for schools on trans . it's just guidance on trans. it's just guidance philip. so even though teachers can no longer be held accountable if they don't accept accountable if they don't accept a child's , uh, pronoun, but if a child's, uh, pronoun, but if and there should be a presumption that you shouldn't have gender neutral schools . but have gender neutral schools. but if a school wants to do that, they can. should the they can. so should the government not have taken a really line here and really firm line here and legislated and said, we are taking a stand here, we're going to row back against this wokery , to row back against this wokery, i think, look, kemi badenoch , i

i think, look, kemi badenoch, i think has done a great job on this and she's taken it as far as she can without legislation, and think protects a lot of teachers. >> yeah . uh, you know, and >> yeah. uh, you know, and i think it's, you know, great. there's know , uh, people there's a, you know, uh, people who transition or whatever, they won't be able to play if you were a boy, you weren't able to play were a boy, you weren't able to play girls football or anything like they've done lot, like this. they've done a lot, a lot here. question if you lot here. the question is if you change you need primary change the law, you need primary legislation law legislation to change the law hugely. time consuming. it takes about get these things about a year to get these things through about a year to get these things throu amendments may be put down. what amendments may be put down. the sort of loses the government sort of loses control of the agenda. once you start down the primary legislation so it doesn't legislation route. so it doesn't come without risks. that so i think people who are criticising the government that need the government for that need to be actually things the government for that need to be have actually things the government for that need to be have beenactually things the government for that need to be have been amendediings the government for that need to be have been amended and made could have been amended and made things worse. i think the government have gone as far as they changing the they can without changing the law. that if they could law. i'm sure that if they could have gone further without changing the law, they would have gone as far have done. they've gone as far as they can without changing the law think i'm really happy law and i think i'm really happy with done. law and i think i'm really happy witiand done. law and i think i'm really happy witiand very, done. law and i think i'm really happy witiand very, very done. law and i think i'm really happy witiand very, very briefly, this >> and very, very briefly, this

snp moved to give all minors who committed offences during the miners strike a pardon, which includes, uh 15, committed avast and three of them murder um 429 assault occasioning bodily harm. the list goes on. riot 137 505,600. cases and a blanket pardon for all of them, apparently. >> no, not. this is not going to happen. this is a ten minute rule, bill. it will go to the bottom of the pile for private members bills. it will never see the light of day. if it ever does, i will do everything i can to it. brought up in to block it. i was brought up in a mining place doncaster a mining place in doncaster dunng a mining place in doncaster during strike. the during the miners strike. the behaviour of those behaviour of many of those striking miners, the intimidation, the violence. it was absolutely revolting , to be was absolutely revolting, to be perfectly honest and there is absolutely no way on god's earth i'm going to allow this bill to get near being legislation. >> i thought might say that. >> i thought you might say that. thank very philip thank you very much, philip davies, tory mp. >> and what we talking davies, tory mp. >> andthis.t we talking davies, tory mp. >> andthis. yes, we talking davies, tory mp. >> andthis. yes, very alking davies, tory mp. >> andthis. yes, very shortly . about? this. yes, very shortly. heroes criminals. that's heroes not criminals. that's what some would describe. those being pardoned potentially being pardoned or potentially pardoned. pardoned for criminal

city during the miners strike. what are we talking about? that next. britain's newsroom next. this is britain's newsroom on .

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watching on television now will be able to see lava continuing to bubble. out of that two and a half mile long crack in the earth just incredible pictures coming out of iceland this morning. >> the icelandic government says it doesn't pose a threat to life, but they have evacuated . life, but they have evacuated. 4000 people from a nearby small town. sightseers being warned to keep away. but we're also being told it's not going to have the impact. thank the lord that the 2010 earthquake had in iceland, which if you recall, caused a huge , um, cloud of dust, which huge, um, cloud of dust, which caused the biggest disruption . caused the biggest disruption. to flights in europe since the second world war. >> well, the eruption started at about half past ten last night. an eyewitness, eyewitnesses said the sky lit up in red from the eruption and smoke could be seen billowing into the air so that local town has been evacuated around 4000 people and so far no threat to life. so that is a relief with echoes of 2010 and we'll keep you posted. >> now, an snp, we just talked

to philip davis about this. an snp has launched a legal bid snp mp has launched a legal bid to miners of to pardon miners convicted of offences during the miners strikes in the 1980s. >> us owen thompson will present a bill to the uk parliament calling for a law change to overturn the conviction of hundreds of miners during the violent industrial dispute . uh violent industrial dispute. uh katherine forster . katherine forster. >> our westminster correspondent is in westminster. catherine. um, now, this has already happenedin um, now, this has already happened in scotland, where there is, of course, an snp administration in. he's trying now to get this done in england and wales . and wales. >> yes, exactly. the law was changed in holyrood , north of changed in holyrood, north of the border last year where now miners who ended up with convictions during the miners strikes of 1984 and 85 were pardoned, no compensation was given, but those convicted fines were wiped off. the record. now owen thompson, snp mp, wants

that extended to england and wales and he's trying to do that with this ten minute rule motion, which is basically a mechanism . it's a backbench mechanism. it's a backbench bill. he gets ten minutes this afternoon to put his case to why this should happen. somebody else can then speak for ten minutes as to why it shouldn't. and if it gets nodded through to the next stage, that goes through, i have say , though, through, i have to say, though, that i think beyond that, i'd be very, very surprised if this goes any further. first of all, it's highly , highly it's highly, highly controversial. as you've alluded to, and some of these miners committed very small crimes, breaches of the peace , etc. they breaches of the peace, etc. they would say they were fighting for their livelihoods . they were their livelihoods. they were fighting for their survival. so to speak, but also many of them rather more serious . and some rather more serious. and some people will worry that it sort of puts all the miners into the good camp. and the government and the police into the bad camp, and that's rather an over

simplification. and also so i suspect that the government in westminster probably won't take very kindly to an snp mp coming and saying, we've done this in scotland and we think you should be doing this in england and wales. the scars, of course, from the miners strike still run incredibly deep in parts of the country, particularly in yorkshire, in nottinghamshire , yorkshire, in nottinghamshire, in derbyshire. is it a good idea to drag all this up when ultimately there will be no compensation tied to it? so it may get through this stage, but i'd be amazed if it gets an awful lot further. >> and catherine, as you say, it's very recent history that we're talking about here, isn't it, with the miners strikes. i don't know if you just caught us talking to philip davies, the tory mp. um, but from his answer on this, he said it's going to face fierce debate and opposition in the house. i mean, he has personally said he will stop this. he recalls his his

childhood and growing up during the miners strikes and talks about violence and the about the violence and the intimidation that took place at the time. and he says it was just completely awful. i mean, there's such fierce debate and very strong feeling on this. still, catherine. >> yes, there's nothing black and white about this. it's many, many shades of grey, isn't it? i did hear what philip davies was saying. very interesting . also, saying. very interesting. also, martin daubney, one of our presenters of course, was talking a little bit earlier , talking a little bit earlier, saying that his father had been a miner during the strike and he'd made the decision to cross the picket line. he wanted to carry on working. he needed the money and he felt very worried about basically this sort of miners good, everybody else bad rhetoric and thinks that it's all this will do potentially is unearth and sort of rejuvenate all these very old wounds and conflicts . but clearly the snp conflicts. but clearly the snp mp feels that a terrible

injustice is has been committed and that feels that there is a moral case for these miners having their convictions wiped. but i doubt that he will have the support of the majority of mps in westminster. >> all right. that's katherine forster our westminster correspondent. thanks, catherine. i think it's completely outrageous. >> yeah . well, you will >> yeah. well, you will certainly have an opinion on that at do let us know that at home. do let us know what . should the what you think. should the miners be pardoned ? gb views at miners be pardoned? gb views at gb views 5000 criminal offences. >> include assault, arson , >> they include assault, arson, murder, bodily harm, riot, murder. come on, come on. what are they thinking of ? are they thinking of? >> you will certainly have a view. so do get in touch with that. still come . decimated that. still to come. decimated dentistry for out of five dentists in england are not taking on new nhs patients with warnings that universal dental care has likely gone for good. that much more after your morning news with tatiana sanchez. >> when hsi .

>> when hsi. >> when hsi. >> good morning . this is the >> good morning. this is the latest from the gp newsroom as we've been hearing, a large volcano is erupting in iceland spewing lava and ash into the sky. the spectacle started north of grindavik just after 10:00 last night. the nearby international airport is still open, but there are delays to both arrivals and departures as ash clouds the . sky these are ash clouds the. sky these are pictures coming to us live. for those watching us on television, they'll be able to see lava continue to bubble out of that two and a half mile long crack in the earth islands, iceland's government says it doesn't pose a threat to but curious a threat to life. but curious sightseers are warned to keep away . in the last few moments, away. in the last few moments, the government has published new guidance for schools on how to manage children who may wish to change their gender. schools are advised to inform parents if their children say they'd like to change their gender identity. there's obligation there's no obligation to allow

students transition students to socially transition or to provide gender neutral facilities . teachers are also facilities. teachers are also given the choice to opt out of using a student's chosen pronoun if have a reasonable if they have a reasonable objection. the stonewall charity says the guidance doesn't consider the needs of trans and gender youth , but gender diverse youth, but britain's joining an international coalition to protect ships as they sail through the red sea after a recent series of attacks. houthi militants in yemen are stepping up assaults on vessels as they pass through one of the world's most important shipping routes. they're backed by iran and allied with hamas terror group. it's prompted bp to pause all its tankers in the area . the its tankers in the area. the royal navy's hms diamond shot down a suspected attack drone in the weekend. it's understood the destroyer will be part of the new patrols as . you can get more new patrols as. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com

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that i knew had dup singko weeknights from six. >> 1038 you're with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and ellie costello, and we're very pleased to be joined by two political commentators this morning, tanya buxton and gb own nigel nelson. this morning, tanya buxton and gb very own nigel nelson. this morning, tanya buxton and gb very good nigel nelson. this morning, tanya buxton and gb very good morningelson. this morning, tanya buxton and gb very good morning to>n. this morning, tanya buxton and gb very good morning to you. >> very good morning to you. very good to see you both. well both well, tanya, i must say looking festive. looking very festive. >> a sparkly we love >> i put a sparkly we love sparkles. where's sparkle ? sparkles. where's your sparkle? >> i'll get the sparkles next. oh no, we're not on next week. >> matching us to have >> you're matching us to have to sparkle. >> you're matching us to have to spaindeed they will. >> indeed they will. >> indeed they will. >> indeed they will. >> talk. don't make me say >> talk. you don't make me say for change. >> talk. you don't make me say for well,nge. you very much. >> well, thank you very much.

>> well, thank you very much. >> nigel, with >> should we start, nigel, with youand the pressure that is now >> and the pressure that is now upon michael gove. he's got serious questions answer, serious questions to answer, hasn't about his dealings hasn't he? about his dealings with mone? yeah. >> i think that a number of ministers have. mean, what ministers have. i mean, what she's claiming is that she's claiming now is that people was doing people knew what she was doing when that huge when she received that huge contract. she didn't do herself much favours by giving her understatement, by giving her an interview where interview over the weekend where she admitted to lying about, well, about the whole thing . and well, about the whole thing. and there are a lot of calls now for her to actually be thrown out of the house of lords. you couldn't do that until 2015, even if you went to prison, you. there was no way of getting rid of a peer. um, now, under a new law that came in in 2015, what they can do is say, look, if you, um , do is say, look, if you, um, breach the code of conduct, you can be chucked out. what? you didn't do was register any of this. so she now admits she made some money from it. never told anybody. so one way or another, it's not just her lying to the press. she's also not done what

she's meant to do in the house of lords and nato. >> when you say lie to the press, we should be quite clear that you lie to the press. you lie to the media, you lie to the public. that's right. to the taxpayer. you're lying to everybody that's how taxpayer. you're lying to everjgetiy that's how taxpayer. you're lying to everjgetiy it's that's how taxpayer. you're lying to everjgetiy it's tlie.s how they get well, it's a lie. >> full stop. >> full stop. >> yeah, exactly. yeah. and she says it's not crime. it is says it's not a crime. it is a crime lie public about crime to lie to the public about how money being how taxpayers money was being lavished. her lavished. i think that on her and her husband, whether it's whether it's crime you could whether it's a crime you could prosecute, thing. prosecute, is one thing. >> the whole point is >> i mean, the whole point is that a legislator who that do we want a legislator who doesn't the truth, which doesn't tell the truth, which is what it comes down what it comes to? down >> to gove, we >> um, in fairness to gove, we obviously he'll speak when he speaks, argue, i'm speaks, but he would argue, i'm sure she used the fast track, which was available to members sure she used the fast track, withe was available to members sure she used the fast track, withe house ailable to members sure she used the fast track, withe house ailable totorembers sure she used the fast track, withe house ailable toto say)ers of the house of lords, to say what idea for ppe? he what about this idea for ppe? he said great. i'm told said, sounds great. and i'm told passed it. then on to the civil service >> that's what she's saying. that's right. yes. >> that's what she's saying. thaso. �*ight. yes. >> that's what she's saying. thaso. �*ight.if'es. >> that's what she's saying. thaso. �*ight.if he >> that's what she's saying. thaso.'ight.if he did do that, >> so. and if he did do that, that's fine. did at any that's fine. but did he at any point after that know that she was involved ? was involved? >> i mean, that's the big >> well, i mean, that's the big question that needs be question that needs to be answered. mean, i think that answered. i mean, i think that there's the whole fast track

system was quite plainly dodgy. yeah. mean, what you what you yeah. i mean, what you what you had an mp or a peer or had was if an mp or a peer or somebody in government knew somebody in government knew somebody who might be able to produce material, somebody who might be able to produce material , then they fast produce material, then they fast track contracts through, um, without any kind of kind of , track contracts through, um, without any kind of kind of, um, competitive tender . so i do competitive tender. so i do appreciate that during covid, when we were short of ppe, it was really important to get stuff moving quickly . g but the stuff moving quickly. g but the question was , were the checks question was, were the checks and balances the basic ones made that should have been. they were, and they sound like it doesn't. >> and it needs to be. not just about michelle mone , it needs to about michelle mone, it needs to be about the fact that they were spending our hard earned tax money on buying products that were fit purpose. and were not fit for purpose. and for hoping that that's for me, i'm hoping that that's going spotlight going to shine a spotlight on that. i i personally, from what i've read i think that i've read, i just think that michael gove you do. i've read, i just think that miciknow,)ve you do. i've read, i just think that miciknow, he you do. i've read, i just think that miciknow, he looked you do. i've read, i just think that miciknow, he looked atyou do. i've read, i just think that miciknow, he looked at it.| do. i've read, i just think that miciknow, he looked at it. it's. you know, he looked at it. it's on his desk. oh this looks okay and expected due diligence be and expected due diligence to be done. this done. and it was with this particular and don't particular thing. and i don't think but reality is think it was. but the reality is that was not being

that due diligence was not being done when to all of the done when it came to all of the ppe and whether ppe was useful anyway. yeah. so millions and millions and millions were spent. yeah. i mean, the fact that she's made 60 million, i personally believe i understand that and that she can't be prosecuted and go jail, but i 100% believe go to jail, but i 100% believe that should paying back that she should be paying back all of that money. she should not we don't not be in the lords. we don't want that are, you know, want people that are, you know, confirmed lords . confirmed liars in the lords. and other is, is that and the other thing is, is that i a lot of these companies i think a lot of these companies that made things that not that made things that were not fit purpose should paying fit for purpose should be paying back not back their profits. i'm not saying bankrupt to the saying bankrupt them to the extent pay extent where they have to pay back the they and back for the staff they paid and what but they should what it costs, but they should have never make profit have should never make profit from something that doesn't work. >> the department of health were told. i was to told. nigel, i was trying to get claw back £120 million from from from moen's company, which, with her husband and good luck to her and let's hope they get it back. but her pitiful attempts to say she didn't benefit because it went to her husband's trust in the isle of man, by which we know is a tax haven . and know is a tax haven. and obviously it was pathetic. yes,

it is her family, her husband's put £60 million in the bank at a time of a national crisis. the worst pandemic. time of a national crisis. the worst pandemic . and she's worst pandemic. and she's saying, i'm not. i'm a beneficiary, but only if my husband dies. beneficiary, but only if my husband dies . pathetic. husband dies. pathetic. >> yeah, well, of course it is. i mean, you know, it's family money. >> you can spend that money any time he likes. it's family money. >> and she had that. i mean, that's the whole point is that she's told truth all the she's not told the truth all the way line here. um, way along the line here. um, i mean, we've got to bear in mind there is a national crime, um , there is a national crime, um, crime agency investigation going on. >> what is that into in particular? >> fraud, basically . so that's >> fraud, basically. so that's actually to see a fraud was actually to see a fraud was actually was committed in the process of getting that, that contract because they weren't truthful transparent about truthful or transparent about the quality or her don't know what the detail the details are, but it is it is a fraud investigation. and obviously we so we have to be a bit careful. we have to see what the what the ncaa actually come up with at the end of the investigation. >> nigel, tonya, do >> well, nigel, tonya, do you stay with we've lots to

stay with us? we've got lots to get you both, but get through with you both, but do about do you want to talk about domestic she has domestic branson because she has joined dignitas in joined dignitas clinic in switzerland and said she is considering assisted dying if her lung cancer condition does not improve after treatment ? not improve after treatment? >> so i tried to join dignitas. >> so i tried to join dignitas. >> hang on just one second, tanya. we are speaking now to the chief executive of care not killing. very good to see you this morning, gordon macdonald. thank you very much for joining us. and so esther rantzen, i mean, to many people just seen as a as a national treasure, just such a sad story, isn't it? stage four lung cancer and signed up for dignitas clinic. what do you make of this story? and do you think there should be a free vote in the house of parliament over this ? parliament over this? >> well, obviously it's very sad as as all cases are of, um, people with advanced cancer or any other terminal illness or chronic illness for that matter . chronic illness for that matter. um, but, you know, we have to take a step back from the emotive personal stories when

we're considering whether the law should change. and, you know, the problem is, is that whenever you change the law in any jurisdiction, you put people who are vulnerable at risk, whether it be people who are disabled or people who are just lonely elderly . and so we lonely and elderly. and so we have to find a balance. and parliament has always sought to do that . um, parliament has do that. um, parliament has voted on the matter. they voted on the matter in a free vote just last year in the house of lords. and of course, in 2015, there was a vote in the house of commons on a free vote. so there is free vote when the is always a free vote when the matter before parliament. matter comes before parliament. but time till when but every time up till now, when parliament has considered the issue, to the issue, they've come to the conclusion that just not issue, they've come to the conc to ion that just not issue, they've come to the concto change just not issue, they've come to the concto change the just not issue, they've come to the conc to change the law. not issue, they've come to the concto change the law. um, so safe to change the law. um, so although lot of although we have a lot of sympathy people who who are sympathy for people who who are in situation, ultimately, in that situation, ultimately, um , politicians have to consider um, politicians have to consider the public interest, and the pubuc the public interest, and the public interest has always been deemed that we keep deemed to be that we keep current law because it whilst it is, compassion in the sense is, um, compassion in the sense of not seeking to prosecute people in an inappropriate way,

it is nevertheless acts as a deterrent and protects people . deterrent and protects people. >> yeah, i hear that. but you're also subjecting gordon people like esther rantzen potentially to a hideous, terrifying , to a hideous, terrifying, painful death , devastating for painful death, devastating for her family and friends. painful death, devastating for her family and friends . and she her family and friends. and she will be one of hundreds of thousands of people who are going to be subjected to this. >> well , i going to be subjected to this. >> well, i think there's no , um, >> well, i think there's no, um, evidence that she's going to have a painful, hideous death. >> lots of people do, gordon . >> lots of people do, gordon. gordon. lots of people do. did you read about diana rigg? she left , um, uh, you read about diana rigg? she left, um, uh, messages after her death talking about her awful death talking about her awful death from cancer, how she lost control of all her bodily functions. she was humiliated. she was in terrible pain . she she was in terrible pain. she wanted the right to choose the right that you're denying her. >> well, i'm not denying anybody. you are to choose what i'm. what i'm trying to do is, um, say that there is an alternative way to deal with the issues which these cases raise.

and that is by investing properly in palliative care and providing specialist palliative care to all those who need it. you know, at the moment in the uk, a quarter of cancer patients aren't getting all the palliative care that they need. that's shocking. and that's where we should be focusing our attention. how do we actually invest the resources that are that are really needed in palliative care? only 30% of specialist palliative care funding comes from the nhs . and, funding comes from the nhs. and, you know, we have an ageing population and by 2040 we will have a need for 25% more investment in palliative care so that being the case, we have to say , well, is there an say, well, is there an alternative here? yes it's an expensive alternative, but it's not that expensive compared to other things that we're spending money on in the nhs. >> okay. gordon mcdonald chief executive of care not killing . executive of care not killing. very good to have your thoughts this morning. thank you very much this morning. thank you very mu back to tonya. >> back to tonya. >> back to tonya. >> tonya to read this. >> tonya to read this. >> oh, sorry. sorry, andrew. >> tonya to read this. >> ido sorry. sorry, andrew. >> tonya to read this. >> ido feely. sorry, andrew. >> tonya to read this. >> do feel you»rry, andrew. >> tonya to read this. >> do feel you need ndrew. >> tonya to read this. >> do feel you need support and

you do feel you need support and are affected by any of those issues that we've just been talking can talking about, you can call samaritan, hotline samaritan, is this their hotline . number 11611233. and tonya, you were speaking just yes, i because of them, there is a history of dementia in my family. >> i wanted to just register myself for dignitas just in case. it's something that i decided to do down the line, because i think you have to be completely in your own mind before you can go through with anything it's really anything like this. it's really difficult anything like this. it's really difficlit anything like this. it's really difficli mean, i've had these yeah, i mean, i've had these conversations with my children, um, it's having um, because i think it's having watched various members of my family and especially those that have of mine have have friends of mine that have died of painfully of cancer, i do think it is our right. i think it has to be very regulated because there are some horrible things that could happen. think it really happen. but i do think it really is our right, and i really feel for esther ransom and what i'm told,i for esther ransom and what i'm told, i mean, the, the, the bill that failed in the lords baroness meech's bill would have said if you've got a if you've been told, you've got six months to live and then you have two

doctors to check you, that your sound mind then should sound in mind, then you should be permitted to choose the way to go . to go. >> and that m to go. >> and that be the two >> and that would be the two doctors would be there well, doctors would be there as well, and they'd apply some form of sedative ease your passing. sedative to ease your passing. that like sensible way that sounds like a sensible way forward. reasonable , forward. that sounds reasonable, but people that are, but there are people that are, you things that have you know, that things that have happened they happened to them, that they don't on and they don't wish to carry on and they could a lot longer than could live for a lot longer than six months. >> think the point is that >> i think the point is, is that if you're able to go to if you if you're able to go to another body, do it. the people that with you to your that go with you to hold your hand when make this decision hand when you make this decision to prosecuted. to do should not be prosecuted. that's me. that's the key issue for me. >> that's the key point. i mean, if you it your right to if you are, it is your right to decide you want to die. um, decide if you want to die. um, um, when you take relative um, but when you take a relative with you and help you, with you to go and help you, they face prosecution . now, the they face prosecution. now, the way the system seems to work is that, um, a blind eye is often turned on to the fact that somebody has actually helped somebody has actually helped somebody else . and the only somebody else. and the only thing about changing the law here, i think philip davis made the point earlier. there's an unintended consequence. you can get if you don't get the law.

absolutely right. so what that means is, you know, do we get in a situation where a vulnerable person is basically chivvied along to go and go through with this? because people would inherit a lot of money? um, now, i know that that that would be a rare, rare kind of occasion, but you have to actually be aware of that. and so the blind eye bit means that if you're doing it, um , because, you know, out of um, because, you know, out of pure compassion and mercy for, for the person who wants to die , for the person who wants to die, that's one thing. if you profit out of it. i can understand why the police might want to take a second look. >> yeah, but but the idea that esther rantzen's children may accompany her to switzerland, and interviewed by and then they're interviewed by the because even the police. because often, even though there's no prosecution, they're interviewed by the police, there's an investigation which is really would be a desperately thing for desperately terrible thing for the children to go through. but i a way around i don't quite see a way around that stage of it. >> this is what mean about the that stage of it. >> tieye; what mean about the that stage of it. >> tieye thing mean about the that stage of it. >> tieye thing thatean about the that stage of it. >> tieye thing that you about the that stage of it. >> tieye thing that you might he blind eye thing that you might well through but the well go through that, but the police then decide police will then decide no pubuc

police will then decide no public any kind of public interest in any kind of prosecution provide for the police, treat that process really sympathetically. i can understand it. i'm just a bit worried about removing all those checks and balances and what might happen at the end of the day. >> it's very complex, isn't it? look whilst we've got you, i wanted to ask, when was the last time you saw the dentist? >> so am very lucky . i've been >> so i am very lucky. i've been seeing the same dentist for nearly so and so. nearly 30 years, so and so. >> i did, but he's kept me on. >> i did, but he's kept me on. >> wow . um. and because, you >> wow. um. and because, you know. and so he sees all my children and i, you know, touch wood, that we're so lucky that this . we became friends this is. we became friends with the man and that's why he keeps us on. but i'm so afraid for all these young families that can't get in to see the get their kids in to see the dentist. the thing is, dentist. because the thing is, especially young, dentist. because the thing is, esyou ally young, dentist. because the thing is, esyou don't young, dentist. because the thing is, esyou don't get young, dentist. because the thing is, esyou don't get their young, dentist. because the thing is, esyou don't get their teethyung, if you don't get their teeth checked early on, damage can be done. >> that we used to go every six months, didn't we? >> we did. but you know, there was some really terrible dentists the dentists back in the 80s, the 70s, remember the name of mine? my 70s, remember the name of mine? my has got had like my husband has got he had like all drilled all these little holes drilled into mouth . um, because

into his mouth. um, because dentists get money per dentists used to get money per filling, he didn't need them. and rotted teeth. and they rotted his teeth. actually, having holes actually, having these holes done because the dentist would then charge for every filling. so one side so we've gone from one side to the other. now haven't we, where people and dentists people could go and dentists were behaving badly, but were doing behaving badly, but everybody, a right everybody, it should be a right to able to take your children to be able to take your children to be able to take your children to or to go to to the dentist or to go to a dentist. there's nothing worse than you be than dental pain. you should be able see somebody. able to go and see somebody. >> this something >> but but this isn't something that's just up. now, this that's just sprung up. now, this has been going on ages. has been going on for ages. i remember from east remember when i moved from east london london in 2001, london to north london in 2001, 2002. not get an nhs dentist. >> i mean, i've been in the same boat that the last nhs dentist i had about 20 years ago. had was about 20 years ago. yeah, um and now i pay pay yeah, yeah. um and now i pay pay quite a lot of money. >> yes you do. >> yes you do. >> as a result i have >> and as a result i have a really good dentist as a result of but that's the of that. but that's not the point. the point is that not enough people can go. and the worst thing is people aren't going at all. so i think the figures in figures are showing 2 in 5 people haven't been to the dentist for two years. um, a lot of people i know haven't been for nearly ten. >> decay precisely. >> the decay precisely. >> the decay precisely. >> haven't got

>> or the fact you haven't got the check—up a check—up for children, this might problem. >> i a of hospital >> i think a lot of hospital admissions for children now are unked admissions for children now are linked their teeth, mostly linked to their teeth, mostly meticulously teeth out. kids %-efl qua-- % do with their >> kids are now to do with their teeth. there's other >> kids are now to do with their teeth.about:here's other >> kids are now to do with their teeth.about going other >> kids are now to do with their teeth.about going for other >> kids are now to do with their teeth.about going for check—up. point about going for check—up. i mean, they're not just doing a check your teeth, they're check on your teeth, they're checking there's cancer checking you. there's no cancer there. everything there. yeah, everything is looking check—ups there. yeah, everything is looiessential check—ups there. yeah, everything is looiessential people k—ups are essential and people won't go afford pay go if they can't afford to pay the £6,070 cost to do that. the £6,070 it cost to do that. check yeah, 71% of dental surgeons surgeries in the uk aren't taking on children at the moment. >> i mean, it's shocking data. >> i mean, it's shocking data. >> it's really shocking. and theyi >> it's really shocking. and they i mean, i do think it's like i said about the doctors as well here. if go through our well here. if you go through our dental you have to work dental schools, you have to work in the nhs for a set period of time. you should have because we should have to. exactly. you should have to. exactly. you should we're should have to because we're sponsoring education. you sponsoring your education. you should be paying back the public for a period for that for at least a period of time written into their contract. agree. of time written into their conor:t. agree. of time written into their conor you agree. of time written into their conor you repay the money it >> or you repay the money it costs to train , don't you think, nigel? >> yes, yes , it's a simple >> yes, yes, it's a simple change to the rules. >> i don't know why i haven't doneit >> i don't know why i haven't done it before.

>> okay. nigel nelson, tony buxton. thank you very much indeed. >> now, still to come, are >> now, still to come, mps are expecting pay rise expecting a very hefty pay rise in the new year, bringing their base salary above £92,000. >> we're going to ask the conservative mp greg smith if he thinks this is fair and deserved. it's a bigger pay rise than gave the nurses. this than they gave the nurses. this is britain's newsroom on gb news, brighter outlook with news, a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello, welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office. after a rather damp start to the day , for many of start to the day, for many of us, it will turn brighter through the afternoon, but it will turn colder and will also turn colder and windier with some showers following behind the rain through this morning has been brought by this weather front that will sink to the southeast through afternoon into through this afternoon and into the behind it will through this afternoon and into the much behind it will through this afternoon and into the much colder behind it will through this afternoon and into the much colder bereing will see much colder air being introduced. be introduced. so it will be a colder night tonight. but for the afternoon that will allow more sunshine develop, more sunshine to develop, especially parts of wales especially across parts of wales and the midlands, as well as

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good morning. it's 11 am. on tuesday, the 19th of december. this is britain's news from one gb news with me, andrew pierce and costello . and ellie costello. >> politicians pay rise mps are set to receive a bigger pay hike than nurses and ambulance workers . the extra £6,000 would workers. the extra £6,000 would take their salary to over £92,000 a year . £92,000 a year. >> iceland volcano erupts it's erupted in southwest iceland after weeks of intense earthquake activity. we're going to speak to a volcanologist about the impact of the eruption of this size schools, trans guidance teachers will not have to use a preferred pronouns of children, and the presumption will be that they cannot change gendeh >> this is under new rules announced this morning, and dame esther rantzen. >> she's revealed she's joined the assisted dying clinic

dignitas in switzerland, is considering go there to end her life as she battles advanced lung cancer . lung cancer. >> well, we do love to hear from you on any of the stories that we are talking about today, especially on assisted dying and on dame esther rantzen. do you think there should be a free vote in parliament? gb views at gbviews@gbnews.com. but first, let's get your news headlines with sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> ellie, thank you very much and good morning. 11:01. this is the latest from the gb newsroom, a large volcano is erupting in iceland , spewing lava and ash iceland, spewing lava and ash into the sky. the spectacle started north of grindavik just after 10:00 last night. the nearby international airport is still open, but there are delays to both arrivals and departures as ash clouds the . sky these are

as ash clouds the. sky these are live pictures coming to us from. for those watching on television, they'll be able to see lava continuing to bubble out of that two and a half mile long crack in the earth, ireland's government says. iceland's government says it doesn't pose a threat to life. but curious sightseers are being warned to keep away . the warned to keep away. the government has published new guidance for schools on how to manage children who may wish to change their gender. school rules are advised to inform parents their children say parents if their children say they'd to change they'd like to change their gender identity. there's no obugafion gender identity. there's no obligation to allow students to socially transition or to provide gender neutral facilities. teachers are also given the choice to opt out of using a student's chosen pronoun if they have a reasonable objection . the stonewall charity objection. the stonewall charity says the guidance doesn't consider the needs of trans and gender diverse youth . now gender diverse youth. now friends and colleagues are arriving for the memorial service of former chancellor

alistair darling . those alistair darling. those attending include former prime ministers tony blair and gordon brown, and labour leader sir keir starmer. the service for the long serving labour mps taking place in edinburgh and will include tributes from his son and daughter , as well as son and daughter, as well as shadow chancellor rachel reeves . shadow chancellor rachel reeves. mr darling died after a short spell in hospital at the age of 70. council planning departments are expected to be put on notice today as the housing secretary cracks down on those accused of dragging their feet on new applications. michael gove will call out local authorities , call out local authorities, those with a history of poor performance on building new homes. it's understood that some councils will be given three months or risk having months to improve or risk having their stripped, their powers stripped, and developers forced upon them. labour described mr gove's plan as truly through the looking glass, but housing minister lee rowley says houses are being built. >> we go back to the early 2010s. was about 100 to 2010s. it was about 100 to 150,000 year. we're now into 150,000 a year. we're now into

the 240,000 a year, the most amount of house building in the past 30 years has been in recent years. we've got more to do. there's no doubt about that. but we're going to hit the 1 million houses that this parliament, and we are increasing building even dunng we are increasing building even during times of economic challenge . and there's going to challenge. and there's going to be challenge the coming be challenge in the coming months. progress is months. but the progress is still . still being made. >> dame esther rantzen says she'll consider using assisted dying as she battles lung cancer . the broadcaster, known for starting the childline charity, revealed in may that her cancer had progressed to stage four. speaking to the bbc, she revealed she's joined the swiss organisation dignitas , which organisation dignitas, which provides doctor supervised assisted dying. she's calling for a free vote in parliament, saying it's important the law catches up with what the country wants . the old model accessing wants. the old model accessing dental care in england is gone for good. that's the warning from a leading think tank. most dentists are no longer taking on new patients in the nhs with

warnings decay warnings the service is in decay and worst point in 75 and at its worst point in 75 years, according to the nuffield trust, spending on dental services has dropped by more than half £1 billion since 2015. it says the universal service is no longer offered by the nhs , no longer offered by the nhs, and recommends the government take some difficult decisions to ensure those most in need continue to receive basic care . continue to receive basic care. britain's joining an international coalition to protect ships as they sail through the red sea. after a recent series of attacks, houthi militants in yemen are stepping up assaults on vessels as they pass through one of the world's most important shipping routes. they're backed by iran and allied with the hamas terror group. it's prompted bp to pause all its tankers in the area. the royal navy's hms diamond shot down a suspected attack drone at the weekend. it's understood the destroyer will be part of the new patrols . and mining workers new patrols. and mining workers who went on strike in the 1980s could have their convictions

overturned . and as part of overturned. and as part of a bill to be presented in parliament today, thousands of miners were arrested in 1984 and 1985 after they walked out in a dispute with margaret thatcher's government . but scotland has government. but scotland has already pardoned all those who took part in the strike. owen thompson, who's an mp for the snp, wants the law changed in england and wales to. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now back to andrew and . ellie. thanks andrew and. ellie. thanks tatiana and welcome back to britain's newsroom. >> loads of you are getting in touch this morning. so many emails in on assisted dying and of course dame esther rantzen and her story. margaret says we need to look to canada to see the unintended consequences of legalising assisted dying . and legalising assisted dying. and that's what you were talking

about earlier. >> we were talking about that to arlene in canada arlene foster because in canada now, if you've got protracted, prolonged that now, if you've got protracted, pr a onged that now, if you've got protracted, pra reason that now, if you've got protracted, pra reason you that now, if you've got protracted, pra reason you can that now, if you've got protracted, pra reason you can give. that now, if you've got protracted, pra reason you can give. t0|at is a reason you can give. to which i think bit worrying which i think is a bit worrying to least . to say the least. >> well, is the argument, >> well, this is the argument, isn't it? it's the slippery slope that you slope argument that once you open up to people with open it up to people with terminal illness, eventually others, younger others, especially younger people well. people as well. >> stephen says, what's the difference between someone taking by, say, taking their own life by, say, drowning themselves or committing suicide throwing committing suicide by throwing themselves committing suicide by throwing themselv legally, which is building legally, which is legal, or choosing assisted dying in the comfort of their own home by a medical person. >> the law won't >> differences. the law won't let . let you. >> yes, james says yes, of course should allow people >> yes, james says yes, of coursterminalyuld allow people >> yes, james says yes, of coursterminal illnesses, people with terminal illnesses, illnesses and diseases to choose when to i was so distressed when to die. i was so distressed and felt hopeless and helpless when watched parents die in when i watched my parents die in pain. at the end of their lives, and simon says we should support assisted dying . at least for assisted dying. at least for those who are terminally ill. that does seem to be the consensus, isn't it? the fact is, there are some people that are going switzerland are going to switzerland to

exercise that's exercise their decision. that's the reality. irrespective of the of the uk. yeah of the law in the uk. yeah >> that's all triggered by >> so that's all triggered by esther story esther rantzen. now a big story and to gather gather and it's going to gather gather momentum fact that momentum is the fact that politicians going to politicians mps are going to receive a £6,000 pay hike next yeah receive a £6,000 pay hike next year, which will take their salaries to £92,700. >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> this comes after a series of pubuc >> this comes after a series of public sector wage hikes, which will see mps getting a bigger pay will see mps getting a bigger pay rise than nurses and ambulance workers as well. >> joining us now is the tory mp for buckingham, greg smith. greg morning. this, whether you like it or not, whether it's been proposed by an independent pay review ipso, the public review body ipso, the public ain't going to like this. you're getting a bigger pay rise for nurses you're paid probably nurses and you're paid probably three times the average three times what the average nurse already . nurse is paid already. >> yeah, i'm not going to pretend that it's, um , a helpful pretend that it's, um, a helpful thing right now that there's this suggestion that that's what mps pay is going to be increased by, um, i'm not sure that we should get an increase that's

bigger than the public sector at large, but it's out of our hands. it's a system that we've got where mps don't even vote on our own pay anymore. it isn't an excuse me, it is an independent body that that puts this this forward. it's final forward. and it's not a final package yet. so there is a chance that ipso when that's the independent body that that pays us. it looks at this in the new year , they may well move it year, they may well move it down. currently inflation is at 4.7. >> if, as we believe , the >> if, as we believe, the chancellor of the exchequer, jeremy hunt, by april, when this rise will kick in, inflation will be closer to 2. so you'll be having a pay rise of more than three times the rate of inflation. >> if that is what ipso put forward in the new year at the moment. and i appreciate that, that they've gone with the october figure the last few years. so yes, it's likely that that's what what will come forward based on past, uh, pay terms. but this is not final.

and ipso a body that is out of our hands. it's not something mps can, uh, vote on or change or increase or decrease . ipso or increase or decrease. ipso may well come to a different conclusion in the new year based on the facts that you've just outlined. will you be accepting this pay rise? >> pay rise ? if that's what the >> pay rise? if that's what the pay >> pay rise? if that's what the pay rise is , um, yes, yes pay rise is, um, yes, yes i will. >> but but it's not in my hands to determine what i am paid. it has been given to an independent body who have done it now for several years. and if that's what mps are paid, then, then that's what. yes, will come into my bank account . my bank account. >> does the system need to change? then because i mean, as you say, ipso takes the october data. that's what they've been doing past few years. that's doing the past few years. that's why currently sits at 7.1. why it currently sits at 7.1. but as andrew was saying, we could see inflation back down to 2% april. does that then need 2% by april. does that then need to change? would you even need ipso at all? we've had an email to change? would you even need

ip1from all? we've had an email to change? would you even need ip1from peterve've had an email to change? would you even need ip1from peter whoe had an email to change? would you even need ip1from peter who says,an email to change? would you even need ip1from peter who says, whymail to change? would you even need ip1from peter who says, why do l in from peter who says, why do we have an independent body when you could simply have someone google the average rise of google the average pay rise of pubuc google the average pay rise of public workers and off public sector workers and go off that? is typical government that? this is typical government waste ? waste? >> look, i ipso has not been without its frustrations, but after what happened in the noughties, well before i was a member of parliament, they clearly needed to be a change to the system of the way mps were paid , particularly in terms of paid, particularly in terms of the business costs of employing staff and buying equipment and things like that, because in the noughfies things like that, because in the noughties and before that, mps clearly abused that and it needed to change. do we need a different system that determines what pay should be across the whole public sector? yes, probably because at the moment we're in a position where everyone is negotiating for themselves, with the exception of mps , and instead of having of mps, and instead of having a more uniform pay increase that matches whatever the inflation numbers are , you know, different numbers are, you know, different numbers are, you know, different numbers are, you know, different numbers are being offered to

nurses as distinct doctors, as distinct railway workers, as distinct railway workers, as distinct fire fighters, police, etc. i could go on, and it's probably time to have a look at whether there is a more uniform way we could do that. sunak uh, greg, of course, will say i'm not taking the increase, but of course it doesn't matter to him because he's worth via his wife's money, nearly £800 million. >> but that will make yuilop look not quite so. so . good. look not quite so. so. good. >> well, i don't i don't, um , >> well, i don't i don't, um, criticise anyone for having become wealthy earlier in their careers. good luck to them. that's you know what we want everybody to be as prosperous as they can be. but there is a question about who can enter politic . yes. i wasn't politic. yes. i wasn't independently wealthy before. i was elected in 2019. i don't have much to fall back on. uh, if i lost my seat, i'd have to get another job. very, very quickly in order to pay the

bills. i accept there are others that aren't in that position, but we do have to have this debate around whether politics is accessible for people from any walk of life to actually come in and offer their best to serve their country , to serve serve their country, to serve their constituents . and if the their constituents. and if the pay their constituents. and if the pay isn't at a point that is attractive to a lot of people, then then it's not going to work for me. i'm fine with it. i'm absolutely happy with the salary i get, but but there are people out there that that just won't do it. >> can we talk to you about one of your colleagues who's done very well financially out of the last few years in parliament? that's baroness mone, greg, £60 million profit. her husband has banked in the isle of man trust. very nice offshore , of course. very nice offshore, of course. she reluctantly admits she's a beneficiary, but probably only a beneficiary, but probably only a beneficiary if her husband dies and her children benefit too. i mean , what a complete political mean, what a complete political disaster she is . can she ever disaster she is. can she ever set foot in the house of lords

again? should she be kicked out immediately ? immediately? >> i agree with you. it is a total mess. i've never i've never actually met her, but clearly she has dominated the headunes clearly she has dominated the headlines for a long time. it's not a good look whether she'll ever enter the house of lords again is a. it's probably more of a matter for her as to whether she could face it, but i don't think she'd have a lot of legitimacy , uh, trying to legitimacy, uh, trying to contribute to a debate in there. >> again, she's a liar, isn't she? that's the problem. >> i'm not going to start banding around things like that, but clearly she did. >> she did admit clearly she did admit she lied to press admit that she lied to the press , said not the crime. >> no . yeah. >> no. yeah. >> no. yeah. >> andrew, you're absolutely right. right right. you're absolutely right on . um, clearly disaster on that. um, clearly disaster zone over the last couple of years as she's dominated the headunes years as she's dominated the headlines , i don't think she'd headlines, i don't think she'd have legitimacy trying to contribute to a debate in the house of lords or ask questions or whatever it might be. again. so i, i would politely suggest ,

so i, i would politely suggest, via the medium of gb news that she might want to consider whether she returns to the house of lords. >> she's admitted and admitted to making £60 million in profit from ppe that couldn't even be used. it wasn't even fit for purpose . and the lib dems now purpose. and the lib dems now calling for an urgent, independent inquiry into what happened at the cabinet office over these contracts, is that something that you'd support ? something that you'd support? >> i think we do need to understand what happened , but we understand what happened, but we need to understand what happened through the context of a world in abject panic and crisis , in abject panic and crisis, trying to get ppe to the front line in, uh, where there were limited supplies of it. and i think probably some of the usual checks and balances that would normally go with public sector procurement fell to the wayside. just in that desperate fashion, that panic to try and get ppe, not just into our own country, but into governments all around the world trying to do it for

their own health services and social care sectors. and everybody else. so i think we do have to view it through the lens of , of just have to view it through the lens of, of just how urgent have to view it through the lens of , of just how urgent the of, of just how urgent the situation was. but that's not to excuse the fact that billions of pounds worth of unusable ppe was procured. and we need to. well, let's hope that we don't have another pandemic. let's hope we don't find ourselves in that situation again. however there, uh, clearly lessons have got to be learned so that we can be better prepared, should that should that hit us again and should that hit us again and should criminal charges be brought against companies who profited , um, in the wake of the profited, um, in the wake of the pandemic, and especially with products that weren't fit for purpose? >> yes. >> yes. >> i think if it can be proven that people were deliberately supplying equipment that was not up to the job, that was not fit for purpose, that was not actually going to work or help anybody, then yes , that is that anybody, then yes, that is that is outright fraud. and of course, those companies should

be prosecuted . i fear that the be prosecuted. i fear that the burden of proof would be very difficult in that. and maybe some people were buying stuff that they , in good faith thought that they, in good faith thought was was right and turned out not to be. but if it's proven that people were just simply providing duff stuff , then then providing duff stuff, then then yes, of course they need to be held to account and brought to justice for that. >> all right. that's greg smith. he's the conservative mp for buckingham. thanks for joining he's the conservative mp for bucnow1am. thanks for joining he's the conservative mp for bucnow the. thanks for joining he's the conservative mp for bucnow the equalitiesyr joining he's the conservative mp for bucnow the equalities minister us. now the equalities minister kemi speaking kemi badenoch has been speaking about guidance about the new trans guidance in schools, is coming. she's schools, which is coming. she's announcing today have announcing today we'll have a listen after the

eamonn and isabel monday to thursdays from 6:00 till 930. >> 1121 with britain's newsroom on tv news with andrew pierce and ellie costello now a huge volcano in southwest iceland has erupted after weeks of intense activity . activity. >> iceland's prime minister has declared a state of emergency . declared a state of emergency. >> already one 4000 people have been evacuated from the area and they've closed the nearby blue lagoon . you'll have heard of it. lagoon. you'll have heard of it. geothermal spa , which is one of geothermal spa, which is one of iceland's popular tourist iceland's most popular tourist attractions. iceland's most popular tourist attrwell,is. us now is >> well, joining us now is reader volcanology reader in volcanology and risk communication . doctor communication. doctor carmen solana , very good to see you solana, very good to see you this morning, doctor. so solana, very good to see you this morning , doctor. so tell solana, very good to see you this morning, doctor. so tell us what we're seeing. we're seeing these dramatic images coming to us live from iceland. these plumes of smoke and also lava coming up from the surface. we've been expecting this for weeks. and last night this volcano erupted . volcano erupted. >> yes, it is very exciting. it

might look a bit dramatic. i mean , it is very dramatic. it's mean, it is very dramatic. it's very exciting . the images are very exciting. the images are incredibly, um , you know, eye incredibly, um, you know, eye catching , but incredibly, um, you know, eye catching, but in incredibly, um, you know, eye catching , but in reality, it's catching, but in reality, it's not especially dangerous. luckily the it hasn't occurred very close to any populated areas. and although the fissure apparently has been moving south apparently has been moving south a little bit at the moment, they're not especially concerned. the civil protection in iceland is not especially concerned with any populated areas. in fact, you saw in the images quite a lot of cars moving around there . difference, moving around there. difference, isn't it, doctor solana to the earthquakes, the volcano in 2010, in iceland, which effectively led to the biggest close down of airspace in europe since the second . world war. since the second. world war. yes, this is quite different . since the second. world war. yes, this is quite different. i mean, the other volcano occurred underneath an ice cap and because of the interaction between magma and water, there

was a lot of steam. there was a lot of explosivity . and we saw lot of explosivity. and we saw this very high plumes that interacted with air traffic control. but the current eruption is not producing that very large , ash laden , um, very large, ash laden, um, clouds. as you can see in the images. and in fact, the wind direction apparently is just blowing away from the airport. so i believe even the airport is still closed. sorry, it's still open for passengers to travel into iceland and away out from iceland . iceland. >> okay, doctor carmen solana , >> okay, doctor carmen solana, thank you very much indeed for your analysis there. those dramatic pictures, those live pictures. now from iceland. >> so we're finally going to get this transguide teachers, which was supposed to have been they started consulting this in 2018 and we were told teachers will not have to use preferred pronouns with pupils who want to socially transition . socially transition. >> well, a few minutes ago, equalities minister kemi badenoch spoke . on the new

badenoch spoke. on the new guidance . guidance. >> schools have asked for because they are struggling with deaung because they are struggling with dealing with what is a relatively new phenomenon of children questioning their gendeh >> this is a very serious this is a very serious thing. uh, and social transitioning, as we've described in the guidance, is not a neutral act. and it is something that parents should be made aware of at the earliest opportunity. so wall say there is considerable evidence that social improves the social transition improves the mental health of trans children. >> young people. are you >> and young people. are you concerned that this guidance will push trans children to stay in the closet and impact their mental health, or the mental health of the trans community? >> no, that is not something i am concerned about and i should stress we fundamentally stress that we fundamentally disagree with stonewall's analysis. fundamentally analysis. we fundamentally disagree with their facts. the cass review has shown that social transitioning is not a neutral act. it puts children on a medical pathway that can lead to irreversible medical decisions. the use of puberty blockers, and so on, but also

something that's really important to emphasise is that just because a child doesn't conform to gender stereotypes , conform to gender stereotypes, this doesn't mean that they are the opposite sex. we shouldn't assume that because a boy likes pink or a girl likes football, that are the opposite that they are of the opposite sex. we to sure that sex. we need to make sure that the schools understand what is going and what this going on, and that is what this guidance is there to achieve. there a risk though. there is a risk though. >> well that's the >> okay, well that's the equalities kemi equalities minister, kemi badenoch , speaking just a few badenoch, speaking just a few moments ago on this guidance i >> -- >>a -- >> a bit of common sense. benabib is here from the reform uk . common sense. uk. common sense. >> it is common sense and funnily enough when i read it i thought great a bit of common sense, but the reason you and i are both saying all three of us are both saying all three of us are saying it's a bit of common sense, is because we're so used to hearing utterly barmy stuff coming out that this relatively well, that we well, this something that we should take utterly for granted for example, that you shouldn't assume just because a child says that they're not male, that they actually genuinely are not feeling that parents feeling male, that parents should on how should be consulted on how children are treated at school .

children are treated at school. of course, all of this stuff, which we should take for granted , we now regard as some kind of move towards common sense and one thing i'll take issue with and with kemi there is that, you know, schools, she said schools are finding themselves increasingly having to deal with the phenomena of students. no longer identifying as their biological sex or words to that effect. but of course , it's the effect. but of course, it's the schools who are promoting the ideology, who are sowing seeds of doubt in the minds of our children. and i think as many commentators on gb news have said before this, in my view, is child abuse. you know, you're actually promulgating an ideology that discombobulates a child at a very vulnerable age and they even went as far as having gender neutral toilets, for example. and ben, i'll interrupt you there briefly because heard teacher, because i heard a teacher, a safeguarding officer at school safeguarding officer at a school yesterday saying , yesterday in merseyside saying, well, they can whatever they well, they can say whatever they like guidance we're

like with the guidance we're carrying with our gender like with the guidance we're carryingloosnith our gender like with the guidance we're carryingloosnitiaour gender like with the guidance we're carryingloosnitia costiender like with the guidance we're carryingloosnitia cost of der £400,000. >> now that's books and teachers and supply teachers amount of money. a massive amount. and i've just just i'm thinking this because it's guidance from the government. it's not the law. >> yeah. and it is. this is deeply concerning. i mean, if you and it's not restricted to gender ideology, by the way, you know, if you're work know, if you're a white work class child in school , know, if you're a white work class child in school, basically the message you're getting from the message you're getting from the establishment is that you're white, therefore you're privileged . and if you don't privileged. and if you don't recognise that privilege , you're recognise that privilege, you're racist, you're white. therefore your forefathers were slave traders and you should be ashamed of the country in which you live and its history. you you live and its history. you you can adopt any number of genders you wish. um, and also your very existence threatens the planet because you are carbon emitters , all of you. and carbon emitters, all of you. and every time you do x, y, and z, if you're if your parents drive

a car that , um, you know, a car that, um, you know, doesn't comply with the latest standards , you are damaging the standards, you are damaging the environment and you're a problem. so a child coming through school now doesn't believe in their country fears their own existence, thinks of their own existence, thinks of their forefathers as having been criminals, lacks confidence , has criminals, lacks confidence, has aspiration completely drilled out of them because comes the dependent blob. i believe the state wishes to create and is lacking entirely self—confidence. what sort of children are we create writing? >> is this going to turn the clock back? what they're doing today? >> it's a step in the right direction. but you know, i think we're living in rome 400 ad. and the fact that we're debating something that should be self—evident shouldn't require a debate , that parents should be debate, that parents should be consulted, that jack shouldn't be called jill just because jack says he should be called jill. um that transgender ideology isn't something that should be discussed or promoted in school. i think it should be banned. i think about zero

think the talk about net zero should school. should be banned in school. well, , to that, do you well, ben, to that, what do you make stonewall's analysis well, ben, to that, what do you makythe stonewall's analysis well, ben, to that, what do you makythe stonewa charityilysis well, ben, to that, what do you makythe stonewa charity they've that the lgbtq+ charity they've said that social transition in schools actually improves the mental health of youngsters and they feel as though this sort of guidance would keep youngsters in the closet longer. but, well, let's just get one thing straight. nought point 4% of the population are identified as transgender. this is not a widespread problem . it is an widespread problem. it is an ideology that that the sort of progressive social left wish to promote and it's part of a much bigger ideology, which i was trying to indicate when i discuss that hypothetical child, white child at school, it's, you know, it's challenging everything which we take everything that which we take for granted and which gives us confidence as individuals and british citizens. that's what that's what's being attacked here. it's nothing less than an attack on the nation state, and it's part of the attack. without wishing to digress too much, it's part of the same attack that braverman identified that suella braverman identified when said in washington , when she said in washington, western democracies facing

western democracies are facing an existential threat. this kind of ideology, this kind of hijacking of our children's schooling , the promotion of net schooling, the promotion of net zero to the point that we fear to exist, the notion that the engush to exist, the notion that the english language needs to be decolonise because it comes from an imperial past, of which we should be ashamed that our forefathers did nothing good other than make money out of slave all of this is slave trade. all of this is designed to attack the nation state that is the united kingdom, undermine its foundations, remove self—confidence from the british people and give succour to this progressive socialist nonsense . progressive socialist nonsense. >> and on this miriam cates, a conservative mp, has been told she's potentially being investigated for a hate crime because she retweeted a fellow tory mp saying of a candidate for the green party in bromsgrove i think it is, uh, a man in a wig. now, this is a person who identifies, you know, the one i know, the one who identifies as a trans woman. he's not transitioning. he's not taking drugs melissa or

something. >> yeah, but but it's quite obviously a with wig on. obviously a man with a wig on. >> is being potentially >> she is being potentially investigated for a hate crime. the part of this problem. >> yeah. oh, absolutely . the >> yeah. oh, absolutely. the entire landscape is infected and it's not something that's just become a fad. this is actually in the regulatory and legislative framework of the united kingdom. the equalities act requires the promotion of people with immutable physical characteristics, diversity , characteristics, diversity, equality and inclusion, which i know we've discussed in the past as well. andrew, requires the promotion of minority ethnic interests, minority religions , interests, minority religions, minority sexual preferences, etc. to the detriment of the majority . that's what it's majority. that's what it's about. it's about damaging the majority interest in this country . country. >> to ask you 30s mps pay rise 7.2. it's completely wrong. >> ipso was set up to ensure that mps pay rises, track public sector workers. the average nurse in 2010 was paid £27,000 a yeah

nurse in 2010 was paid £27,000 a year. she's now paid about £35,000 a year. that's a 25% increase. mps have had a 40% increase. mps have had a 40% increase since 2010. they are self—enriching and the idea that they can point to ipso and say it's an indian dependent body, therefore we can't be held responsible . you are the responsible. you are the parliament of this country. if you think ipso ain't doing it right and you think you're being overpaid because the rest of the pubuc overpaid because the rest of the public sector are not being paid as much as you are, then you have the ability to step up and make it right, and they're not doing it . doing it. >> would you accept it if you were an mp? >> i wouldn't actually no i wouldn't, you wouldn't, i wouldn't, you wouldn't, i wouldn't no i wouldn't and i've got to the point now that if i ever hold public office again , i ever hold public office again, i will not take a penny from the state. i'm going to put myself beyond it, and i can make that declaration. >> now, if you would be, you wouldn't take a salary. >> wouldn't take a salary, and >> i wouldn't take a salary, and i might have to take expenses. if i'm flying sticks, you if i'm flying on the sticks, you know, or whatever. but if i'm flying on the sticks, you

kwould or whatever. but if i'm flying on the sticks, you kwould not or whatever. but if i'm flying on the sticks, you kwould not take r whatever. but if i'm flying on the sticks, you kwould not take anhateveh but if i'm flying on the sticks, you kwould not take a stipendr. but if i'm flying on the sticks, you kwould not take a stipend from i would not take a stipend from the state any public office. the state in any public office. i . not prepared to be i hold. i'm not prepared to be subject to this kind of nonsense. you know , if the mps. nonsense. you know, if the mps. >> that's because you're rich enough to do it. >> i am very fortunate to be able to afford to do it, but i will do it. i i will not take the shekel of a corrupted institution that is our parliamentary setup at the moment . moment. >> okay, ben, that's that's very that's pretty striking. >> that's going to be in your manifesto for the next election. >> but deputy leader of reform uk, thank you very much indeed . uk, thank you very much indeed. let's get morning news headlines now tatiana sanchez now with tatiana sanchez. >> ellie thank you. your top stories from the newsroom. dramatic scenes continue in iceland as a large volcano spews lava and ash into the sky. the spectacle started north of grindavik, just after 10:00 last night. thousands of people were evacuated from the area last

month due to concerns over intense seismic activity . we intense seismic activity. we these are the pictures coming to us live. for those watching us on television, you'll be able to see lava continuing to bubble out of that two and a half mile long crack in the earth ice islands government says it doesn't pose a threat to life. but curious sightseers are being warned to keep away . schools are warned to keep away. schools are being advised to inform parents if their children say they'd like to change their gender identity under new guidance. there's no obligation to allow students to socially transition or to provide gender neutral facilities , as teachers are also facilities, as teachers are also given the choice to opt out of using a student's chosen pronoun if have a reasonable if they have a reasonable objection. the stonewall charity says it doesn't consider the needs of trans and gender diverse youth , but equalities diverse youth, but equalities minister kemi badenoch says that's not the case. >> fundamentally disagree . with >> fundamentally disagree. with stonewall's analysis. we fundamentally disagree with their facts. the cass review has

shown that social transitioning is not a neutral act. it puts children on a medical pathway that can lead to irreversible medical decisions. the use of puberty blockers, and so on, but also something that's really important to emphasise is that just because a child doesn't conform to gender stereotypes doesn't mean that they are the opposite sex. we shouldn't assume that because a boy likes pink or a girl likes football, that they are of the opposite sex. >> sex. >> and dame esther rantzen says she's she'll consider using assisted dying as she battles lung cancer. the broadcaster , lung cancer. the broadcaster, who's battling cancer, told the bbc she's joined the swiss organisation dignitas, which provides doctor supervised assisted dying . she's calling assisted dying. she's calling for a free vote in parliament to make it legal here in the uk. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website gbnews.com . gbnews.com. >> for gb news.com.

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that i knew had dewbs& co week nights from six. >> welcome back to britain's newsroom . we start in iceland. newsroom. we start in iceland. these pictures coming live to us from the country . those watching from the country. those watching on television now will be able to see lava continuing to bubble out of that two and a half mile long crack in the earth, the volcano there has erupted as of about 10 pm. last night. >> it is extraordinary, isn't it? the images, if you're listening on the radio, the images are extraordinary. you think must be really think it must be really dangerous and terrifying. but actually, also seeing cars actually, we're also seeing cars driving. what seems to be fairly

close by because iceland is a country that's had earthquakes , country that's had earthquakes, earthquakes volcanoes before earthquakes and volcanoes before and there is no threat to life. and we are not going to get the great smoke cloud that we had 12 years ago. no thankfully, yes. >> but the icelandic government has warned sightseers to keep away. >> why would you have to warn them to do that? why lots of people driving towards the volcano look at it. volcano to look at it. >> because of it looks so >> because of course it looks so beautiful. but yeah, just beautiful. um, but yeah, just watch your tv screen. we watch from your tv screen. we would are would suggest, but they are absolutely incredible images coming out of iceland this morning. we're very pleased morning. now, we're very pleased to be joined by two political commentators morning, tanya commentators this morning, tanya buxton news. buxton and gb news. >> and trailed a little >> and you were trailed a little earlier, nigel, but you're by early about your views on kemi badenoch who's finally spoken out. >> the equality minister. >> the equality minister. >> i wonder? a little dance, a little shimmy dance because but i mean, isn't it mind boggling that this is now become . its that this is now become. its guidance for the schools? it should have been common sense.

it should never have got to the stage to wait for it to be guidance and why has it taken five years? >> why has it taken five years? >> why has it taken five years? >> who have been, >> but for me, who have been, you very about not you know, very vocal about not agreeing all of this agreeing with all of this absolute rubbish, i'm hoping now agreeing with all of this ailot.ute rubbish, i'm hoping now agreeing with all of this allot of; rubbish, i'm hoping now agreeing with all of this allot of these, sh, i'm hoping now agreeing with all of this allot of these, especiallyiing now agreeing with all of this allot of these, especially the now a lot of these, especially the young girls who are having gender dysmorphia, are gender dysphoria dysmorphia, are now the help they gender dysphoria dysmorphia, are now because the help they gender dysphoria dysmorphia, are now because whatie help they gender dysphoria dysmorphia, are now because what we're) they gender dysphoria dysmorphia, are now because what we're seeing need because what we're seeing is a lot of these young kids that they're the that think that they're in the wrong do have anxiety. wrong bodies do have anxiety. they do have mental health issues about other things. and now side now we can put this to the side and depth of what's and get to the depth of what's wrong these kids. mean, wrong with these kids. i mean, we lockdown did a lot of we know lockdown did a lot of damage, but i think least now damage, but i think at least now we children we can help these children rather than allow to rather than allow them to self—harm damage them. self—harm and damage them. >> do you not some of it. >> do you not think some of it. i'm a dad, so don't know. i'm not a dad, so i don't know. i've never been a dad. but you're a mum. do you not think some of it is just peer pressure? >> well, i think some of it. what we're. what? seen what we're. what? i've seen one girl i'll do it. girl does it, so i'll do it. there is that there's also a thing you know, a lot of thing that you know, a lot of the, children, there's thing that you know, a lot of thithere's children, there's thing that you know, a lot of thithere's a children, there's thing that you know, a lot of thithere's a huge, ren, there's thing that you know, a lot of thithere's a huge, um,there's a, there's a huge, um, percentage of children that are on autistic spectrum who on the autistic spectrum who decide the wrong

decide that they're in the wrong gendeh decide that they're in the wrong gender. it's a of gender. right. and it's a way of being allowed into being allowed to come into a group, and it's a way of channelling, you feel channelling, because you feel different quite different and you're not quite sure different. sure why you're different. and i'm hoping now it's not i'm hoping now that it's not just going to be, um, we, you know, we're not going to call you a cat and we're not going to call you a human. you're a she. all of that stuff, it's going to be, well, why do you want to be? why you want to do this? why do you want to do this? let's talk what the let's let's talk about what the reasons can actually reasons are so we can actually help kids. reasons are so we can actually help you (ids. reasons are so we can actually help you would accept that >> but you would accept that some of those some of those people no. people will be genuine. no. you know no, child. know what? no, child. >> you know, i don't think i think it's think very, very few. it's a fashion when i, when i was, fashion like when i, when i was, you know, there are fashions, there are self—harm fashions, there are self—harm fashions, there fashion. it there was anorexia fashion. it becomes kind peer there was anorexia fashion. it becomethat kind peer there was anorexia fashion. it becomethat goes kind peer there was anorexia fashion. it becomethat goes on.d peer there was anorexia fashion. it becomethat goes on. so peer there was anorexia fashion. it becomethat goes on. so ipeer there was anorexia fashion. it becomethat goes on. so i think fashion that goes on. so i think the not. it's a the majority are not. it's a very, rare thing to have very, very rare thing to have someone born in the wrong body . someone born in the wrong body. and we see now and the way that we see it now in schools, it's like every single class is someone guidances schools were guidances that schools were actually seeing this. >> i mean that, but why didn't we see when we were kids? we see it when we were kids? >> what's changed? we see it when we were kids? >> what'you're ged? we see it when we were kids? >> what'you're absolutely >> well, you're absolutely right. i certainly

right. i mean, i certainly didn't a none of didn't see it as a kid. none of it. school talk to teachers it. my school talk to teachers nowadays. happens an awful nowadays. it happens an awful lot, lot more frequently than one usually one imagines. and usually schools just get on with it . so schools just get on with it. so an example of a recent school of an example of a recent school of a teacher i was talking to there . there was a boy who'd transitioned , happened to a transitioned, happened to a girl, the pupils didn't, other pupils didn't bat an eye about it. that was all perfectly fine. and only point where they and the only point where they had to had to actually change anything was that the girl als didn't want her changing in their changing room, and that was the only difference that came about. the school accommodate it. everything is fine. >> so you're accommodating. >> so you're accommodating. >> possibly be a >> what could possibly be a mental health issue? so if someone is self—harming, which is health issue, well, someone is self—harming, which is you health issue, well, someone is self—harming, which is you accommodate ;ue, well, someone is self—harming, which is you accommodate that?ell, someone is self—harming, which is you accommodate that? do you do you accommodate that? do you accommodate someone who's suffering anorexia? suffering from anorexia? and this point now we this is my point now at least we can look at the reasons can have a look at the reasons that people feel the need to. >> but one thing they're >> but the one thing they're not doing under this proposal doing under under this proposal is that that won't get is that that gps won't get involved. so you can't get involved. so what you can't get is diagnosis of gender

is that diagnosis of gender dysphoria. to say this is genuine. so, you know , the genuine. so, you know, the argument is all gps will be overwhelmed. well hang on, gps are there to actually make decisions like this . that's not decisions like this. that's not going to happen. >> not specialists in going to happen. >> thing. not specialists in going to happen. >> thing. whatpecialists in going to happen. >> thing. what we ialists in going to happen. >> thing. what we need; indo this thing. what we need to do is health for is get mental health for children board. but children across the board. but you goodness that you know thank goodness that have stock clinic is have just have a stock clinic is about shut down. yes. about to shut down. yes. it starts horrible damage. i've starts a horrible damage. i've been speaking to quite a few young are now young young people who are now young adults medication adults who were given medication by tavistock tavistock clinic. >> this is what it is. it's the country's only. >> it's the country's only clinic that you can go and you can they giving out can i mean, they were giving out pills as young as 12 pills to children as young as 12 and 13. know, and this these and 13. i know, and this these pills, they are not pills, they they are not reversible. it means that these children will be fertile. children will never be fertile. they've messed with their hormones a that is hormones in a way that is irreversible. and then there are so many of these children that were through depressive were going through depressive times. something were going through depressive times. with something were going through depressive times. with them. something were going through depressive times. with them. andething were going through depressive times. with them. and they| wrong with them. and they latched onto this gender thing because would because they thought that would fix then they get fix them. and then they get to 18, they've 18, 19, 20. they've messed up their bodies, but the tavistock are more likely commit

are more likely to commit suicide than those children that are not allowed to transition. >> tavistock went wrong, but the nhs creating two new hubs to nhs is creating two new hubs to replace it's as replace it. so then it's not as if we're suddenly saying, oh, that tavistock made a complete mistake. it was it was a complete error. let's get rid of it. we don't we don't need it. there two, two centres there are two, two new centres that will be dealing with this and maybe that . and well, maybe that. >> maybe have to be >> maybe they'll have to be better regulated. >> well that's the point. the point about tavistock. was it wasn't and there wasn't well regulated and there is that children is the suspicion that children were something were pushed into doing something they ready for or and they weren't ready for or and they weren't ready for or and the whole thing, mean , when it the whole thing, i mean, when it comes something like an comes to something like this, an awful to comes to something like this, an awful into to comes to something like this, an awful into play. to comes to something like this, an awful into play. everything to come into play. everything should be a gradual process. but nigel, do you know that when they were trying to when there were certain children that wanted to change their sex and change their gender, they were saying even had saying that if you even had a conversation about not doing it and that it might be wrong, conversation about not doing it and that it might be wrong , they and that it might be wrong, they were calling it conversion therapy in the way that if, you know, back in the day when if someone was gay, they'd try to

put electric electrocute them. >> would just >> so they would say, just just by conversation with by having a conversation with a child to say, look, are sure child to say, look, are you sure this else is this is right? what else is going home? what else has going on at home? what else has happened? be called happened? it would be called conversion and conversion therapy and be treated is treated that way. and this is where so many things went wrong treated that way. and this is wherthis. many things went wrong treated that way. and this is wherthis. yeah things went wrong treated that way. and this is wherthis. yeah but|gs went wrong treated that way. and this is wherthis. yeah but this/ent wrong treated that way. and this is wherthis. yeah but this is|t wrong with this. yeah but this is where the school thing seems to be. >> i mean, i think broadly, this is way forward. give is the right way forward. give guidance should it is the right way forward. give guilaw?e should it be law? >> nigel. >> nigel. >> no, don't it should >> no, i don't think it should because that what i think will because that what i think will be thrown up by this is, is often thrown by such things. often thrown up by such things. um, is , is that there'll be a um, is, is that there'll be a lot of individual cases that suddenly won't know how to suddenly you won't know how to deal with. so for instance, i think that the, the teacher is there for the well—being of the child. that's the primary duty of the teacher. it is right that parents should be involved if the, um, if their child is, um, so really transitioning. so just just wants to change pronouns , just wants to change pronouns, just wants to change pronouns, just wants to wear different clothes, then the parents should be involved , but only if that is be involved, but only if that is in the interest of a child. if a

child goes to a trusted teacher and says, look, the various sort of problems that that tonya is talking about, there , i'm talking about, there, i'm thinking this. i feel like that you might rather talk to your teacher than you talk to parent. >> and you don't think parents should be informed? >> well, not at that stage. not at stage. at that stage. >> you're just so. >> you're just so. >> oh, i'm amazed by that. >> oh, i'm amazed by that. >> well, but if. >> well, but if. >> but who is a child to trust their parents? >> yeah, well, what if you chose not to be brought up? what if they don't? >> or the teachers to be? listen, to presume. i listen, we have to presume. i mean, this not the mean, i know this is not the case. a school teacher in case. i was a school teacher in tottenham , so very aware tottenham, so i'm very aware this is not the case. but we have to presume that most parents have children's parents have their children's well—being at heart, that most parents most parents are true, and most parents are true, and most parents extreme, parents will be told extreme, extreme the child extreme case where the child might you know, we'll hang extreme case where the child miiift you know, we'll hang extreme case where the child miiif you're ou know, we'll hang extreme case where the child miiif you're just now, we'll hang extreme case where the child miiif you're just starting ll hang extreme case where the child miiif you're just starting the ang conversation. >> and as a child, you feel more comfortable discussing that with a teacher than with your mum or dad. >> i absolutely think parents should be involved, depending especially how young the child.

>> but you're almost saying that that that would stop the child having that conversation in the first i'm not i'm not first place. so i'm not i'm not saying parents shouldn't be informed i that, but it informed. i think that, but it was what stage you get was what stage would you get them informed? well, the whole thing this back to thing is this this goes back to the bit where the the teacher bit where the teacher what is the teacher decides what is in the best interests the child . so best interests of the child. so hence why limit your question why it shouldn't be statutory? because if we made it into a law, it would make that that part rather difficult. >> i don't think that >> also, i don't think that teachers fit to teachers are sometimes fit to know best the child know what's best for the child in environment. they might in this environment. they might ignore socially ignore parents, but not socially in and one of the in that way. and one of the things lobby was so things is the trans lobby was so strong and frightening, it strong and so frightening, it still is very frightening that teachers who adhere to teachers who didn't adhere to what you the gender of what you know, the gender of what you know, the gender of what child wanted had to what the child wanted had to deal with the trans lobby. so at least from least that's stopping this from happening. you can go and you could a teacher. yeah and you could be a teacher. yeah and you could be a teacher. yeah and you could be a teacher. yeah and you could be normal. could imagine just be normal. >> imagine are >> you can imagine there are lots who lots of teachers who are breathing sigh relief, breathing a sigh of relief, really, because haven't really, because they haven't had a clue about to how handle this. so now there so at least now there is guidance. they that they guidance. they know that they won't sanctions they're

won't face sanctions if they're not using yes. >> is broadly, the >> which is why broadly, the broadly, guidance is good broadly, the guidance is good and the teachers and it's good. the teachers have got um, it is got the guidance. yes. um, it is just about, you know, just the areas about, you know, where is there a bit of leeway here leeway there here and a leeway there depending individual depending on the individual circumstances with. >> okay , nigel, let's have a >> okay, nigel, let's have a look at this story in the telegraph today. the scrapping the equality act to tackle wokery . this is from jacob wokery. this is from jacob rees—mogg. >> never going to happen. is >> never going to happen. it is from jacob. >> never going to happen. it is frorit's cob. >> never going to happen. it is frorit's never going to happen >> it's never going to happen sadly. says wokery? um, it's sadly. who says wokery? um, it's wokery and legislative form. i haven't got a what he means haven't got a clue what he means by that. um, i mean , what do we by that. um, i mean, what do we want scrap? want to want to scrap? do we want to scrap disability rights? do we want to scrap the idea of, um, of getting equal pay , of women getting equal pay, which they ought to have , which which they ought to have, um, there are a load of protected characteristics that come equality come under the equal equality act. was one of labour's act. it was one of labour's final bits of legislation, and i think probably their some of their finest . so now we have their finest. so now we have age, race, sex, um, uh, trans gendeh age, race, sex, um, uh, trans gender, gender, um, all, all protected. and so it should be

sexual orientation protected , sexual orientation protected, maternity protected. these are important things that the equality act put into one bit of law. they were all over the place before far. >> nigel, it's gone too far. it's not it's not an equality act . what it is, is a preference act. what it is, is a preference act. what it is, is a preference act now. and a lot of companies are treating it just that. are treating it just like that. so, it should be. are so, you know, it should be. are you the person for job you the best person for the job that be whether that should it be not whether you've got the right gender, sexual orientation, religion, you've got the right gender, sexu ororientation, religion, you've got the right gender, sexu ororieithat)n, religion, you've got the right gender, sexu ororieithat should|ion, you've got the right gender, sexu ororieithat should have race or no, that should have nothing do with whether you nothing to do with whether you are the job. are fit for the job. >> the quotas have to be ticked. >> now, if you are, if you are disabled, there is no duty on the employer to make sure you supply the kind of furniture and equipment . supply the kind of furniture and equipment. so to enable you to do your job, that is right. to force the employer to do that so that person then can go that disabled person then can go up against somebody else and you decide who is best for the job, but the job with those but best for the job with those various that to be various things that have to be there to help them do it. >> not disagreeing with that >> i'm not disagreeing with that point, but point it's point, but the point is it's gone so rare for me to

agreement. >> my god . i should have agreed >> my god. i should have agreed on something like that piece . on something like that piece. >> but the fact of the matter is, now, because of equality and diversity within companies, the best person often isn't getting the job because they don't tick the job because they don't tick the other box of these things gendeh the other box of these things gender, sexual orientation , gender, sexual orientation, religion and race. and these shouldn't have to be part of whether someone gets a job or not. i understand there needs to be a certain amount of inclusion, it's now inclusion, but it's now exclusion of those that don't tick boxes. tick those boxes. >> whole thing is >> no, but the whole thing is it's trying to make level it's trying to make a level playing field and to that playing field and to level that playing field and to level that playing require playing field may require a company to do certain things and say it comes down to race. if you're employing, if you are interviewing a number of people for a job, it's pretty important. important you don't have an unconscious bias because you're looking for somebody who's a bit like you do . who's a bit like you do. >> we need to abandon this law? do you think, tanya, or do you think it's never going to happen? >> it's never going to happen. neveh >> it's never going to happen. never, never, never see it changed. see it changed. i'd love to see it rather abandoning it.

rather than abandoning it. >> want to abandon it >> i don't want to abandon it because there is. there's some really but really good points in there, but it's gone too far. it's just gone far. gone too far. >> just very briefly, tanya, >> and just very briefly, tanya, just nice story to end on. lentils. enjoy a good old lentils. they enjoy a good old chat us. chat just like us. >> do. i love because, >> they do. i love that because, you you will know if you know, you will know that if you know, you will know that if you know, you will know that if you know there are you have, you know there are certain products like onions. if you together in in you put onions together in a, in a box, they'll start to a in a box, they'll start to sprout simultaneously together. and is an energy. and so there is an energy. there is there is a protein is a kind of there is a protein that's released that allows these and lentils and these vegetables and lentils and pulses to speak to each other. >> how sweet is that ? what do >> how sweet is that? what do you think? they talk about? >> i don't know, but sometimes ending up in the pot, sometimes i think their conversation might be bit more sensible be a little bit more sensible than be a little bit more sensible tha yes, right. >> yes, right. >> yes, right. >> well, charles ought to >> well, king charles ought to learn language. learn the language. >> but means. >> yes, exactly. but it means. >> yes, exactly. but it means. >> but you think know >> but do you think they know they're in the they're going to end up in the pot they talk? pot before they talk? >> think it's that type >> i don't think it's that type of conversation, just one. >> they're buzzing each of conversation, just one. >> th buzzingzzing each of conversation, just one. >> th buzzing off.] each other, buzzing off. >> acas bit us. exactly. tanya >> thank you very much >> nigel, thank you very much indeed.thank >> nigel, thank you very much indeed. thank you. andrew. that's britain's indeed. thank you. andrew. that's for britain's indeed. thank you. andrew. that's for today. 's indeed. thank you. andrew. that's for today. but up next newsroom for today. but up next is britain with

is good afternoon britain with ben, and emily. we'll ben, leo and emily. we'll see you you then . you tomorrow. see you then. >> yes. you tomorrow. see you then. >> coming up on show, we >> coming up on the show, we have of course, in for have ben leo, of course, in for tom with me this week. tom harwood with me this week. >> what got coming up? >> what have we got coming up? >> what have we got coming up? >> thank you for having me back. >> thank you for having me back. >> not >> thank you for having me back. >> this not >> thank you for having me back. >> this volcano not >> thank you for having me back. >> this volcano in not >> thank you for having me back. >> this volcano in iceland. not least this volcano in iceland. 3.5km crack in earth with 3.5km crack in the earth with lava spewing absolutely everywhere . everywhere. >> i want to know if i'm going to make my own holiday in two weeks. >> and trans guidance for schools is finally dropped. we'll it find out we'll dig into it and find out what's on there. looks what's going on there. looks like things are heating up boxt boiler sponsors whether on boiler as sponsors of whether on gb news . gb news. >> hello , welcome to your latest >> hello, welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office. after a rather damp start to the day, for many of us it will turn brighter through the afternoon, it also turn the afternoon, but it also turn colder , with some colder and windier, with some showers following behind . the showers following behind. the rain through this morning has been brought this been brought by this weather front sink to the front that will sink to the southeast through this afternoon, and into the evening, and behind see much and behind it will see much colder introduced . so colder air being introduced. so it will be a colder night

tonight, afternoon tonight, but for the afternoon that allow sunshine to that will allow more sunshine to develop, especially across parts of wales and the midlands , as of wales and the midlands, as well northeastern areas well as northeastern areas of england . however, to the north england. however, to the north and west will quite and west we will see quite blustery showers falling as snow over the high ground and it should stay quite murky still across the southeast, but milder here for much of the day . that here for much of the day. that clearer weather then becomes more widespread through tonight. it stay dry through much it should stay dry through much of night. for many central of the night. for many central and however , and southeastern areas, however, we'll continue to see those showers pushing in on that brisk northwesterly breeze, especially along coastal areas and over the high ground. it will be quite a windy as a result, windy night. as a result, temperatures be up temperatures will be held up across more northern and western areas, but the south and east areas, but in the south and east tomorrow could a touch of tomorrow we could see a touch of grass in the south grass frost, and in the south and it should stay dry and east it should stay dry again. through much the day again. through much of the day tomorrow and through northern areas but the cloud areas to start. but the cloud will as the afternoon will thicken as the afternoon progresses and we'll see some drizzly rain arriving from the north and west. drizzly rain arriving from the north and west . that should north and west. that should persist thursday as well. persist into thursday as well.

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december. >> fears for holiday flights iceland is in a state of emergency right now as an intense volcanic eruption continues to spew lava and smoke into the sky. could it bring travel misery? this christmas? we'll have the latest and putting parents first in the last hour, teachers have been told that a child cannot change gender at school without parental consent, but some staff are threatening to ignore the new rules. bumper pay rise despite the cost of living crisis , mps are to receive crisis, mps are to receive a £6,000 pay boost. but do they deserve it? and of course, we have ben leo with us today on good afternoon britain in for tom harwood as he takes a much needed rest. what's he up to do? >> you know, i don't know, actually. >> you know, hobnobbing about having few parties , who knows, having a few parties, who knows, perhaps going away for a little

bit. we'll find out