on today by michael gove on housing. no mention of migration and rising numbers of people, and rising numbers of people, and the appearance that all housing targets have now been scrapped. dentistry is back in the news as over 80% of the population cannot get an nhs dentist . is population cannot get an nhs dentist. is this population cannot get an nhs dentist . is this potentially dentist. is this potentially good news for the labour party and president biden's loathing of the united kingdom now means that any prospect of a trade deal under his presidency has now been sunk beneath the waves, along with his own approval rating, which is now down to 34. all of that and much more over the course of the next hour. but first, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you. good evening. well, the top story tonight, the foreign secretary says the uk will not tolerate attacks on shipping lanes in the red sea. britain is joining an international maritime coalition dubbed operation security

guardian to protect ships in the area after a recent spate of attacks by houthi militants in yemen allied with the hamas terror group. the government says much of the uk's supply of uquefied says much of the uk's supply of liquefied natural gas is imported via these vital shipping routes, confirming that the royal navy destroyer hms diamond will be joining the new task force . lord cameron says task force. lord cameron says the royal navy's presence will send a strong message to those who've been targeting commercial shipping. >> there's a very clear message to the houthis in yemen who've been launching all these attacks that, you know, these attacks will not be tolerated and we will not be tolerated and we will defend ourselves against them. and it's very important that shipping keeps moving . that shipping keeps moving. >> lord david cameron well, here, the home secretary says the government will not be able to rely on illegal immigration treaties with rwanda if key elements of the agreement aren't in place. it comes as james cleverly was unable to tell the lords today what progress had

been made on putting practical elements of the treaty into practice, including appointing international judges to sit in a new asylum appeals court . but international judges to sit in a new asylum appeals court. but mr cleverly defended the speed at which the government is seeking to get flights off the ground, saying he's determined to get this right . saying he's determined to get this right. there's to be a new 45% tax band for higher earners in scotland, deputy first minister shona robison set out her new package of measures to raise funds in her first scottish budget . the new 45% scottish budget. the new 45% band will affect those earning between £75,000 and £125,000, a yean between £75,000 and £125,000, a year, and are predicted to raise around £15 billion for scotland's finances next year. victims who've been tricked into transferring money to fraudsters will be able to claim back up to £415,000 under new regulations ,

£415,000 under new regulations, the payment systems regulator says. the new measures, which are set to come into force in october next year, will prompt firms to do more to detect and prevent fraud from happening in the first place. the cost of reimbursing victims will be split 50 over 50 between sending and receiving payment firms, the government says it's now a petition which could unseat the mp. peter bone will close to voters in his northamptonshire constituency later on this evening. the wellingborough mp was suspended from the commons for six weeks in october after an inquiry found he'd subjected an inquiry found he'd subjected a staff member to bullying and alleged sexual misconduct . he's alleged sexual misconduct. he's sitting as an independent after losing the conservative whip if signed by 10% of his constituents , there will be a constituents, there will be a by—election we'll keep you up to date on that throughout the evening, right here on gb news across the uk, on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying

play your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . news channel. >> good evening. housing goes up the list as one of the most important issues facing britain today. important issues facing britain today . the question of will your today. the question of will your kids ever own a house is a very big and a very important one. i'd love some of your views on that. please farage at gbnews.com so michael gove, who is the secretary of state for levelling up for housing and by the way, since the tories came to power, we've had 11 secretaries of state in charge of housing and 16 ministers in charge of housing. is it any wonder that we're in the mess that we are.7 but gove's big mission today was to talk about house building . the government house building. the government have a target of 300,000 new dwellings every year. and yet for 2023, it's unlikely they'll

build more than 160,000. so gove gives this big speech where he says we're going to build, we're going to develop, but we're not going to develop, but we're not going to develop, but we're not going to build on the green belt. well, fine. actually the concept of green belt around our cities and towns to stop urban sprawl is something that i very much agree with. but as to the big message, it's totally confusing because i heard no repeat of the target of 300,000 a year. it felt to me that had been dropped . and then he says, been dropped. and then he says, whilst we want local government under local democracy to make decisions as we can and we will after three months override tied local government leaving me, i have to confess , somewhat have to confess, somewhat confused as to whether anything has really changed at all. but here is the most significant part of his speech. it's what he didn't say. mike gove in reference to housing, made no comment whatsoever on our net

migration last year, rising by 745,000. we need to build a new dwelling in our country every three three mins. it's one dwelling every three minutes. just to cope with net migration numbers. let alone the shortage that we have already. and when it came to questions, of course it came to questions, of course it was gb news chris hope that raised the rising population and gove did say that a rising population has an impact. no, it is mr gove, not an impact . it population has an impact. no, it is mr gove, not an impact. it is the single biggest issue and i felt today with gove speech that actually he showed himself and the government to be more out of touch with the rest of the country, to be more out of touch with reality than they've been at any point in time. with reality than they've been at any point in time . um, when at any point in time. um, when it comes to housing, they're a complete waste of space. and i'm

sorry if that sounds like a harsh opinion, but i really, really mean it. tell me , will really mean it. tell me, will your kids ever be able to have a house? farage at gb news. com i'm joined by mark homer, co—founder director of progressive property. mark you know, you're somebody with a large number of rental properties in peterborough and around that area. i mean, you must be delighted because the fewer houses we build, the bigger your rental income. um, well , i'll bigger your rental income. um, well, i'll there certainly is a huge shortage. >> and, you know , rents have >> and, you know, rents have probably gone up about 40% just since 2016, since the brexit vote. um, and that's at the core. that is because of a lack of supply of housing. uh, the planning system, obviously there have been some attacks on landlords, but, you know, this today , you know, the new today is, you know, the new national planning policy framework and what they should be doing is unveiling, you framework and what they should be doing is unveiling , you know, be doing is unveiling, you know, new ideas, ways in which you, you know, we're going to be able

to get to the 300,000. um, but what i think it actually is, is, is the removal of mandatory targets that the councils had to meet to, uh, you know, in terms of housing. >> so the 300,000 figure appears to have gone well, that's news to have gone well, that's news to me. >> i mean, i didn't hear him say it. um, but yeah, i mean, this this is right back to david cameron 2010. they've had this 300,000. they're um, but no looking at this. i can't see how they're going to do that. um but don't we, mark, you know, and it's very interesting. >> you know, i was having these debates and leaders debates in 2015 with the other party leaders when i led ukip in the general and they all leaders when i led ukip in the gene about and they all leaders when i led ukip in the gene about supplyand they all leaders when i led ukip in the gene about supply of! they all leaders when i led ukip in the gene about supply of housing, leaders when i led ukip in the geneabout supply of housing, as talk about supply of housing, as you've talked about . what you've talked about. but what about ? you know, if your about demand? you know, if your population through immigration is going through the roof, your supply has to go up to three times what it would without it. there was no acknowledgement from the secretary of state on

housing today of any of that. >> well, quite. i mean , tony >> well, quite. i mean, tony blair, you know, they had a target of 200,000. david cameron comes along, it goes to 300,000. what was net migration back in in the blair days? well i don't know. low sort of 100 100, 200,000 i mean even at its even at its highest, it was less than half what it is now. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so now we're over 700,000 average of 2 to 2 and a half people per dwelling. so simple maths sort of tells you we've had all these years where they've not kept up . uh, and now they've not kept up. uh, and now we're in a situation where the shortage is chronic. >> so even if we reach 300,000, all that would do is deal with current net migration levels on the ratios you're talking about, and nothing to do with the backlog. >> absolutely not. kate barker wrote a report in 2003 looking at housing supply. there's been subsequent reports since then. we haven't kept pace since that report, and i think before that. um, so , yeah, you need more than

um, so, yeah, you need more than 300,000 to deal with the backlog and then let alone. yeah. and then the new people on top of that. >> now gove talked about not building on green belt and this concept that we don't allow london or birmingham to just grow exponentially. >> i rather agree with the idea of a green belt around the big cities, but we're going to need new somewhere, aren't we? >> well, new towns are clearly the solution. um, you know, they talk about brownfield sites continually, but there are only so many brownfield sites , you so many brownfield sites, you know, upon which you can put this. but you know, there is a lot of land which we can develop in this country that isn't green belt, but if you don't have properly funded, properly organised planning departments andifs organised planning departments and it's done at a local level with local decisions , um, then with local decisions, um, then you're you're not going to be able to is planning the major problem in your planning is definitely the major problem in the planning system in this country broken. dealt country is broken. it's dealt with at local level. it's very with at a local level. it's very political . you know, if we had political. you know, if we had a

sort of us system where it was zoned, you know, and, and decisions made based on, decisions were made based on, you know, a clear set of, of rules developers would be able to take risk. they would buy and they would know that they would get planning consent as long as they built in that area to the specification. >> this gets down a >> this gets down to a democratic decision as well . you democratic decision as well. you know, we vote for local councils. for district councils. we vote for district councils, councils, councils, county councils, unitary . if central unitary authorities. if central government overrules those, what price local democracy? >> well , that's what he's >> well, that's what he's talking about doing. so he he says and if we're to believe him, gove says that he's going to give him three months. and if they don't meet these advisory targets , he's going to take targets, he's going to take planning decisions off them at a local level and give it to the planning inspectorate, which is the secretary of state, and somebody in a car from somebody will get in a car from a planning inspector, get a planning inspector, will get in from a long way away, in a car from a long way away, come a local site and make come to a local site and make a decision that happens now. on a refusal, then there'll be refusal, and then there'll be appealed against through the courts, legal courts, through the legal processes . pi'ocesses. >>

processes. >> if the houses do get >> and even if the houses do get built, take years. built, it'll take years. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> judicial review will go >> will judicial review will go on and on and it just it won't speed things up. and you know, they're probably going to be gone by the halfway. >> this is very interesting and i agree with this. >> say what he likes, >> gove can say what he likes, but the odds are he won't be housing within three years time. i'm what labour got to say i'm what a labour got to say about this. >> labour have this >> well, labour have got this target 1.5 million houses. target of 1.5 million houses. his uh over five years, over five years, so identical to the tories. >> well, you divide 1.5 by five and you get 300,000 a year. >> so it just looks like more of the same. i haven't seen any new ideas from starmer apart from we're going to build loads of social housing. but you know, where are specific where's where are the specific where's it built. where's it going to be built. where's the for it. you know what. the money for it. you know what. what are the what is the planning regime. because that's critical. going enable critical. that's going to enable it. are you going to it. how are you going to incentivise developers to incentivise local developers to get building this for the housing none of housing associations? none of this there. it's all very generic. >> so a massive aspect of our

national life. and the question that i'm asking the audience, you know, will your kids ever have you've the have what you've had? the prospect of owning a house or buying or, know, or buying a house or, you know, or even on a ladder and even getting on a ladder and we've got nearer, have we? we've got no nearer, have we? >> think we've got further >> i think we've got further away. think gets worse and away. i think it gets worse and worse every year. um, just worse every year. um, i just don't know how this gets fixed. where is the impetus? where is . where is the impetus? where is. the sort of catalyst that changes this ? uh, and this just changes this? uh, and this just permeates through so many areas of government at the moment. >> mark hammer , progressive >> mark hammer, progressive property as ever. thank you for coming on and joining us here on gb news. and folks, this is another aspect, my view, of another aspect, in my view, of broken britain, a problem that appears to be insoluble and opposition that offers almost nothing different than a government of the day, a problem that gets worse. rhetoric from government ministers who don't last for more than a year on average . um, and we get no average. um, and we get no closer to any sense of solution whatsoever. but for the

secretary of state for housing to give a major housing intervention , and at no point in intervention, and at no point in his speech to mention the population explosion caused directly by government immigration policies shows you these people are totally and utterly detached from reality in the most remarkable way, in a moment we'll talk dentists. we've said before on this program, dentists can't win you an election, but it could lose you an election. as we learn that 80% of the population now have no prospect of an nhs dentist at all. all of that, in just a moment

radio. so post—michael gove's speech today, will your kids ever own a house? >> vincent says we are not alone as a country in having property

pnces as a country in having property prices out of for reach our children. the same crisis is also happening in america. well, yes, that is partially true, but it depends what part of america you go to, carol says. we live in kent and are sick of hearing about building to meet housing targets. of all the thousands of houses being built all around us, there are almost zero no affordable housing amongst them . affordable housing amongst them. and camillo says in defence of michael gove, gove is no fool, but he's been given an impossible job and he knows it well. camilla, that may well be true, but we're no closer to solving any of this. and i repeat the point. he is the 11th secretary of state in 13 years to oversee housing, and under that there have been 16 housing ministers. how the hell can you run a country when people who take ministerial positions are there for a year or less ? the there for a year or less? the whole thing is a nonsense . now, whole thing is a nonsense. now, some months ago i talked about dentistry . i made the point that

dentistry. i made the point that dentistry. i made the point that dentistry may not win a political party. a general election , but it could just cost election, but it could just cost them one. and it seems to me this is a theme that is worth coming back to as we learn that 80% of the country find it little , really impossible to get little, really impossible to get an nhs dentist. and if you go private, well , all the bills can private, well, all the bills can be absolutely enormous . well, be absolutely enormous. well, joining me is neil carmichael, chair of the association of dental groups and a former conservative member of parliament, and john northfield, a patient but unable to get an nhs dentist for two years. he was now travelling to hundred miles an nhs dentist. miles to get an nhs dentist. neil, you're closely involved with the dental industry . i with the dental industry. i mean, in terms of the national health service providing dentistry, it seems to me it's virtually over. well no, it's not because what we've got to do instead is focus on the real cause of the problem.

>> and that is definitely recruitment. now, john is right. he lives in an area which we've identified as a desert. identified as a dental desert. that's right . that's right. >> now, john, you're living in devon? i am, you're living devon? yeah, i am, you're living in devon, north devon, and you've you've moved down in devon, north devon, and you'vedevona moved down in devon, north devon, and you'vedevon and�*ved down in devon, north devon, and you've devon and you've down in devon, north devon, and you've devon and you've tried to north devon and you've tried to get you've tried to get an nhs dentist for two years. >> yeah, i've lived there two years. cannot get a dentist within radius of where within a 30 mile radius of where we live. and i did have to travel to bromley some time travel back to bromley some time ago my wife. had a bad ago for my wife. she had a bad problem her tooth had problem with her tooth that had to cut out over in west to be cut out over in west wickham, and it was a specialist place had dentists enter to place that had dentists enter to send and we are still. send us to and we are still. that was about a year ago. she went for special treatment over there, was very pleased with the treatment bromley. treatment she got in bromley. but dentist was under there. but the dentist was under there. said does feel that england said he does feel that england seems going to like seems to be going to like a third world society . well, well, third world society. well, well, it's a very strong point. >> so. so okay. you say clearly, neil, that devon is a dental desert. >> it is. it's one of 40 approximately across europe. so where's not a dental desert?

well, there are areas where you can get a dentist. london's quite good for getting dentists, john. sort implied by john. sort of implied that by talking bromley . but there talking about bromley. but there are many areas often coastal are too many areas often coastal areas, often rural areas which simply have enough simply do not have enough dentists. and that affects the nhs provision because at the end of the day . of the day. >> bear with me a second. bear with me a second. john you've been a taxpayer. >> yep. all my life. yep. and you know, you know, you expect to have a gp even that's become more difficult to get a gp. >> i don't know what that's like in north devon. do you feel that having an nhs dentist is kind of a right that you've paid for? >> it should be. i think the bafic >> it should be. i think the basic thing is if you don't see a dentist over two years, it a dentist for over two years, it leads to other problems. people can get mouth cancers that don't get up , i think get picked up, and i think i just cannot believe, to be honest, in the last 13 years of the conservative government, why it is now virtually impossible to get a dental. >> but you could private john. >> yeah, as you have just stated

to me, the problem will be going private. is a bottomless pit private. it is a bottomless pit where going to what the where it was going to what the cost? the reason like going cost? the reason i like going nhs. have these bands nhs. you have these three bands normally nhs you have a normally on nhs you have a limit. you what you're limit. you know what you're expenditures going to be. expenditures are going to be. whereas if you go private, i mean it's just a bottomless pit. what you can run into in it for, for for treatments. for the, for the treatments. >> so i'm, if i'm a patient >> so if i'm, if i'm a patient neil, you know, and i need a crown or whatever it is, um , and crown or whatever it is, um, and i simply can't get a local nhs dentist . dentist. >> i can go private . doesn't it >> i can go private. doesn't it suit dentist just to be private rather than nhs? isn't it easier for them? isn't it simpler? well i know lots and lots of dentists. >> i represent all the groups that are members of the association. they have associate dentists who work for them because of course , a group like because of course, a group like most practices , effectively most practices, effectively provides the facilities for dentists to operate in the challenge is where are the dentists? because we need more dentists. if we were able to

recruit just a thousand more quickly , then we'd end up being quickly, then we'd end up being able to provide 750,000 more appointments per year. >> so a thousand more dentists , >> so a thousand more dentists, three quarters of a million more appointments every year. >> yeah. put it another way. the government intends or might be claw , clawing back unspent claw back, clawing back unspent money on on nhs. claw back, clawing back unspent money on on nhs . that's about money on on nhs. that's about 400 million that that amounts to a massive amount of unused units of dental activity and that's all within the nhs . all within the nhs. >> so why can't we get more dentists ? dentists? >> we can't get more dentists. first of all, we don't train them. we don't train enough. now, the government quite rightly said, oh yes, let's rightly has said, oh yes, let's have plan about have a long terme plan about that. but the problem is long terme because the, the net result of any expansion of dental schools will not really come through until 2030. and even if it does at that late time , that might just be time, that might just be replacing dental dentists who are retiring. so what we've got

to do is see a way of getting more dentists into the system. >> is it retiring , neil? is it? >> is it retiring, neil? is it? and i get the point about retiring and people at the right point are entitled to retire, correct? yeah or is it rather, as you say, with doctors and surgeons and many others that actually we, we train lots of people who then go and work abroad? that's not abroad? well well, that's not actually the case. >> what we need, um, is more dentists here. we've got a lot of dentists. >> but what i'm saying is , you >> but what i'm saying is, you know, throughout the know, right, throughout the medical sector, we find with nurses, doctors, dentists and others that people go through the training schools in this country and then go and live in australia. >> well, um, what i would say to that is, funnily enough, in germany or france, there are more dentists than the united kingdom per head of population. in fact, almost twice as many. yeah. so the argument that, um , yeah. so the argument that, um, you know, we don't we, we have enough dentists so they can go somewhere else just simply isn't stacking up what we need to do is focus on the question of

recruitment. and you asked where are they going to come from? and clearly abroad. there are clearly that's abroad. there are about don't really know about well, we don't really know the figure, but there's the exact figure, but there's a large number of people who are trained as dentists and could practice as dentists if , if the practice as dentists if, if the general dental council , the gdc general dental council, the gdc responsible for the registering dentists in the united kingdom, if they could get on with the job of facilitating their, uh, approve of will a labour government help them ? government help them? >> well, i mean, labour have come out with big plans for this. >> any government who wants to save the nhs and make sure the nhs can deliver what is planned to be delivered, and that's effectively £3 billion worth of udas must help us get more dentists into this country. so, as i've said 1000 more alone would give seven. >> no, the numbers are impressive, john. >> you know, the polls tell us it's going to be a labour government. will they solve this? >> well, i personally don't

think they will. all i would say, nigel, i think is a catastrophic situation. the government have brought i government have brought about. i mean, at the mean, where i'm living at the moment, 500 new houses moment, there's 500 new houses at time being built. yeah. at this time being built. yeah. the people in where i'm the people living in where i'm living a dentist. living now cannot get a dentist. and these 500 houses are going to be occupied shortly. i mean, the situation is just going from bad to worse, isn't it? no one's got any answers. >> i think it is. and john neil, thank you. and folks, you see whether we discuss housing or whether we discuss housing or whether we discuss dentistry , whether we discuss dentistry, we're back to the same problem . we're back to the same problem. i know i'm getting boring talking about it. i'm alone in talking about it. i'm alone in talking about it. we're living through a population explosion and we don't have the resources or the infrastructure to cope with it. i promise you, the dentists to cope with it. all the roads, all the schools, all the roads, all the schools, all the hospitals or anything else. net migration at 745,000. we cannot deal with any of this. in my view, in a moment, president biden goes to his lowest poll rating ever, which backs up my prediction that the dems will

dump him . but he also gets rid dump him. but he also gets rid of any prospect of a trade deal with the uk. why is he doing that? all of

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> with every week that goes by, it becomes clearer that joe biden is completely unfit to be president of the united states and leader of the free world. i call him an old duffer. from the day he was elected, but he gets worse and worse and becomes more and more embarrassing . and is it and more embarrassing. and is it any wonder that his personal approval ratings as president are consistently sliding ? are consistently sliding? they're now down to 34, and however much the national mainstream media in america, britain and the rest of the world say that 2024 is going to be a repeat of 2020, and that it's going to be trump, be biden . i'm sorry. i've now been saying for some months, i

believe the dems at some point will dump biden. he is becoming two bigger embarrassment point. he's down at 34. and in some of the key swing states, trump now has leads of six, seven and 8. the dems will realise under biden they're heading for disaster . that biden they're heading for disaster. that is my own personal view . also, personal view. also, interestingly, any prospect of a framework being kept in place for a trade deal with the united kingdom has now been dropped. yes, i know that in agriculture and elsewhere, this was never going to be easy, but i've always had the feeling that biden was pretty anti—british . biden was pretty anti—british. well, joining me from palm beach is lee cohen, senior fellow of the bow group . leigh, good the bow group. leigh, good evening or good afternoon to you, and thank you forjoining you, and thank you for joining us. um these personal approval ratings for biden. i mean, trump , at his very worst moment as

president, was down at around 41, 42% approval rating . this 41, 42% approval rating. this number of 34, in american terms, is a pretty historic low, isn't it ? it? >> well , it? >> well, indeed. uh, let me just say , nigel, what an honour it is say, nigel, what an honour it is to speak with you and to be in your show. so thank you for having me. um, indeed. this is just, um, precedented, uh, number, like 34, but i think well deserved . and well deserved. and notwithstanding all efforts of the biden administration to tout , um, sort of non—existent accomplishments, uh, the, the pubuc accomplishments, uh, the, the public are not fooled because we know what we're spending at the cash till you know. >> absolutely. um, and do you sort of understand why i'm saying and writing and commenting that the dems will dump biden , that it's all dump biden, that it's all becoming too awkward. i mean , becoming too awkward. i mean, they've got their convention in july of next year. i mean , they july of next year. i mean, they can't stick with this man, can

they ? they? >> logic would say, how >> well, logic would say, how can they stick with a man with unprecedentedly low , uh, unprecedentedly low, uh, popularity ratings. but, you know, with every passing week and every passing day, uh, it looks more difficult and head scratching that how are they going to gracefully dump biden? but i'm with you. i, i don't think , uh, when the day arrives think, uh, when the day arrives that he'll be the nominee, but i don't yet know how we'll get there. >> no. well, i guess the convention will be a very, very big moment in july for the democrats in 2024. and who knows, maybe it's going to be the governor of california. maybe he stays. i just can't see it lee. what? i've got you. it now. lee. what? i've got you. um, brexit britain um, obviously brexit britain able to make its own trade deals . um, the economic relationship between our two countries, huge . between our two countries, huge. america is the biggest foreign investor in the united kingdom . investor in the united kingdom. and still . the united kingdom is

and still. the united kingdom is the biggest foreign investor in the biggest foreign investor in the usa, which is amazing. and we share a language. and, uh, what sort of share a language? the spellings are a bit different, we share different, but, uh, we share films music culture and films and music and culture and a history that's had a few ups and downs. incredibly and downs. we are incredibly culturally close as countries. i know we have some differences on agriculture and agricultural methods , but it would appear in methods, but it would appear in the last 48 hours that biden has literally killed end all negotiations . on a trade deal. negotiations. on a trade deal. >> indeed , nigel, after three >> indeed, nigel, after three years of obstruction during the biden administration in october, it emerged that a modest us . uk it emerged that a modest us. uk trade partnership without commitments on market access would be discussed that could lead to a more robust bilateral deal lead to a more robust bilateral deal. but now even that possibility looks remote due to antagonism within the biden administration and the democrat controlled senate . controlled senate. >> yeah, the dems don't like the

brits very much, do they? >> no. uh, indeed. brits very much, do they? >> no. uh, indeed . that is so. >> no. uh, indeed. that is so. um you know, there's so much going on here. um, democrats, as you say, see britain as has been a colonial hangover, responsible more for our american sins than for our triumphs. while republicans on the whole are pro—british because they still prize the values inherited from britain that enabled our own ascendance to greatness. uh, republicans know that our ideological fights against the forces that reject our history and value are the same existential struggles that you were engaged in across the pond . were engaged in across the pond. >> i you're right, you're right. >> i you're right, you're right. >> and for and for biden snubbing britain, uh, is . is snubbing britain, uh, is. is personal as well as political. uh, so much of president joe's identity is strongly steeped in

an outdated, anti—british irish grudge for folklore. yeah, yeah, it's absolutely stunning that only he holds on to. >> well, lee, i'm so pleased that you said that and not me. but i agree with it. absolutely 100. and yeah, i talked to republicans and they talk magna carta. they talk about the great values. they talk about the constitution of america taking the best from us. um, and the dems never do so. lee. kevin, thank you very much indeed for joining me tonight on thc is an absolute pleasure. but what the farage moment today, you know, rishi, the big speech we're going to stop the boats. we are going to stop the boats. we are going to stop the boats. it's all going to be over. oh no no that's changed a bit now . it's that's changed a bit now. it's now there is no firm date to stop the boats and, and we're told what a victory. only . told what a victory. only. 30,000 young men have crossed the english channel this year to move into four star hotel accommodation . hooray! only

accommodation. hooray! only 30,000 young men have crossed . i 30,000 young men have crossed. i said he walked. they're going. absolutely nowhere with this. now i talked last night at great length about michelle mone , length about michelle mone, about the row that was going on, and i said absolutely, clearly, yes, of course , she lied to the yes, of course, she lied to the press and in the view of many, that's the same as lying to the country. but she's hit back pretty hard over night at the prime minister at other health ministers, saying, prime minister at other health ministers, saying , look, i told ministers, saying, look, i told michael gove, i told the cabinet office very , very clearly that i office very, very clearly that i was introducing a firm called ppe medpro, in which my fiance then and now husband, doug barrowman , was the major barrowman, was the major shareholder and it would appear that on that she's right. my problem, which . i raised last problem, which. i raised last night and which i'm going to say again, is up to £10 billion of taxpayers money, was spent on ppe that was never used in the

first few months of the pandemic. they ordered five years worth of ppe when most of it has to be scrapped after 18 months. it isn't just michelle mone and doug barrowman that made profits out of ppe procurement . there are hundreds procurement. there are hundreds of people who made money and dozens of people who made huge numbers of millions. i would estimate that something like four, 4 to £45 billion of private sector profit was made out of ppe , most of it not ever out of ppe, most of it not ever used. but here's the point i want to repeat from last night. the covid inquiry will not even discuss ppe procurement . who was discuss ppe procurement. who was in charge? why these decisions were made, and so the spring of 2025, and i'm going to say it now for the first time, nobody else has said it. i believe the covid inquiry must just discuss procurement, must get michelle

mone, must get michael gove, must get everybody involved to be held publicly to account . we be held publicly to account. we cannot have a general election that takes place before we understand why these huge sums of money were wasted . still of money were wasted. still today in the modern world, about 97% of international trade takes place by sea in increasingly large containers and the red sea is one of those very, very important routes. but the iran funded houthi rebels are increasingly launching rocket attacks , air attacks against attacks, air attacks against shipping . we're now being told shipping. we're now being told by oil companies that rather using the red sea, they may go round the whole of the coast of africa. the oil price yesterday spiked by $3 a barrel on the back of this. are we heading for a global shipping crisis? and if

we do, could this be the next rout of inflation that hits our country on patrick christys tonight 9 to 11 pm. i've got a cracking show for you. >> after the alleged anti—white racism storm, bbc five live presenter nihal arthanayake has snapped back saying that he will never stay quiet. but should he just shut up? plus dajmasta ransom has signed up for dignitas, but does she actually have her family support? dajmasta daughter will join me live. i'll also speak exclusively to the bloke flogging churchill's barge . and flogging churchill's barge. and we've got the liveliest paper of you anywhere on telly. patrick christys tonight. nine till 11 pm. be there

as iran flexes their muscles and they back. >> of course, hamas. they back hezbollah , but they also back hezbollah, but they also back the yemeni houthi rebels, who are increasingly posing a genuine threat to shipping in

the red sea . aerial attacks risk the red sea. aerial attacks risk , of course, of being taken hostage and now insurance premiums for moving ships through the red sea have gone through the red sea have gone through the red sea have gone through the roof at lloyd's of london, and big oil firms are now redirecting oil . all that is now redirecting oil. all that is coming from the gulf states , coming from the gulf states, perhaps around the whole of africa, meaning some certain deliveries won't be met at the oil price. i mean, it's funny, isn't it? at the weekend, petrol and diesel was the lowest it had been for two years. oil backed down at 75 bucks a barrel. but as soon as this news breaks, it starts to spike 97% of global trade takes place by sea . the trade takes place by sea. the red sea now is clearly a very major problem , but i suspect major problem, but i suspect that's not the only global shipping disaster we could potentially face. i'm joined now by professor andrew tettenborn , by professor andrew tettenborn, member of the institute of international shipping and trade law at swansea university's

school of law. andrew thank you very much indeed forjoining me tonight on the program . and tonight on the program. and let's just begin . if we can let's just begin. if we can please . thank you. good. good to please. thank you. good. good to see you . let's begin with the see you. let's begin with the red sea . how important is it as red sea. how important is it as a global shipping route ? a global shipping route? >> i think you have to distinguish between different kinds of cargo here. um, the oil price has spiked, but i think that may be fairly temporary. the point is, you can't get a very large crude carrier through the red sea . uh, the biggest the red sea. uh, the biggest ship you can get through. i think, is about 200,000 tonnes deadweight . um, most of the deadweight. um, most of the vlcc. well, the vlccs and the ulccs go round the cape anyway . ulccs go round the cape anyway. so obviously, this is going to divert some, um, oil cargoes. um, i think roughly.

divert some, um, oil cargoes. um, i think roughly . ten um, i think roughly. ten shiploads tend to pass a day through the canal, but that's likely to be solved . i think the likely to be solved. i think the real problem is going to be containerised seized goods, and i'm afraid to say the goods that you might have been expecting to get for christmas, uh, because as they do go through the suez canal, as they do go through the suez canal , um, as they do go through the suez canal, um, it's going to cost big money to divert them and there's going to be a shortage of them for some time . uh, what of them for some time. uh, what you're also going to find find is difficulties with our own industry , because a lot of it industry, because a lot of it runs on the basis of just in time supply . and of course , the time supply. and of course, the supply won't arrive just in time. it will arrive rather late, which means we'll have a number of instances. i suspect, where, um , the production will where, um, the production will be stopped and you won't be able

to get things, and we'll also, of course, have an element of inflation because it costs more to ship around the cape . to ship around the cape. >> yeah. no, i mean, clearly , >> yeah. no, i mean, clearly, clearly there are inflationary implications to all of this. you talk about containerisation in um, as somebody that crosses the engush um, as somebody that crosses the english channel in small fishing boats. i've noticed over the years the container ships get bigger and bigger and bigger and what how many containers do the largest ships now take? >> um. oh, lord, i think it's a five figure sum . um, i think five figure sum. um, i think it's about 30,000. it keeps on getting bigger every time i look at it. but the bigger maersk ships, we're talking that sort of figure . um, but most , most of figure. um, but most, most container ships can get through the suez canal. not all. um, at. and it's those that are going to face the problems because maersk

has already said maersk being one of the biggest shipping lines in the world. maersk has already said none of its ships now is going up the red sea . um, now is going up the red sea. um, in practice, they'll either be diverted to other ports, uh, or they'll be sent round the cape . they'll be sent round the cape. um, that's why we're going to see serious problems. um, in respect of these containerised cargoes, which, um , cargoes, which, um, unfortunately comprise most of the stuff that you buy that comes from the far east. >> yeah. no, absolutely. and as for your comment about the just in time supply chains, i was told that if we voted brexit, that would be the biggest problem. but clearly there are other global problems too. other than the red sea and the suez canal. and you know, it's 70 years ago, but we kind of went to war over the suez canal back in those days. are there other problems around this very unstable world at the moment? we're shipping insurance premium and risk .

and risk. >> well, the one thing which is coming up again now is piracy off the somali coast . now, we off the somali coast. now, we thought that we had solved that , thought that we had solved that, um, it was a trouble for a long time. um, until the shipping lines started putting armed guards on board ships , which guards on board ships, which caused problems with 1 or 2 people. uh, but that actually was fairly effective at stopping it. but the main now be a rise in piracy. again, there . um, you in piracy. again, there. um, you also have to remember that there are other areas where piracy can be a problem . um, notably , um, be a problem. um, notably, um, off the gulf of guinea that's off the gulf of guinea that's off the gulf of guinea that's off the coast of west africa . off the coast of west africa. um, it's less of a problem in terms of the number of ships seized, but it's more of a problem in that the pirates there tend to be much nastier and much more cruel to the people. they take.

>> and what does all this mean, andrew? for the insurance industry, i mean, lloyd's of london, obviously famously , the london, obviously famously, the great global centre for shipping insurance s you know, what is the impact on premiums and how does that knock on to the everyday consumer? >> well, the, the impact on premiums is going to be to send it up , uh, war premiums is going to be to send it up, uh, war premiums in particular tend to be, uh, very considerably higher. uh, or war supplement . it's tend to be very supplement. it's tend to be very considerably higher than what you'd normally expect to pay. and um, cargo insurance and hull insurance are a major part of transport costs . and what's transport costs. and what's happened , ed, is that , uh, happened, ed, is that, uh, insurers at lloyd's have now said , um, we are going to regard said, um, we are going to regard many more areas as war areas

where you're going to have to pay a where you're going to have to pay a massively increased premium. you've also got to remember something else . it's remember something else. it's not only insurance , um , if you not only insurance, um, if you charter a ship , the may very charter a ship, the may very well be limits on your ability to take it into a war zone . the to take it into a war zone. the charter may contain provisions saying you can't do it. um, that again, of course, is going to put up transport costs . again, of course, is going to put up transport costs. um, yeah. >> and if transport costs go up and prices go up, guess who pays? ultimately viewers and listeners to this show, andrew tettenborn , thank you very much tettenborn, thank you very much indeed for joining tettenborn, thank you very much indeed forjoining us this evening. >> thank you for having me. thank you for having me. not at all. >> as i said, folks, only 56 over suez . it was considered to over suez. it was considered to be so important that the prime minister, anthony eden, decided we ought to go to war over the issue. it led to his downfall . a issue. it led to his downfall. a major rift with america . the. major rift with america. the. don't underestimate the importance of shipping now

coming up next, of course, is state of the nation with jacob rees—mogg. and i've, i've dragged him in early because we need to have a proper chat now. jacob, it's been very interesting in the last 48 hours. uh, there is this pantomime villain entirely correct for this time of the yeah correct for this time of the year. is the season michelle eamonn is the great devil. you know, she lied to the press about her involvement . um, her about her involvement. um, her husband's company made £60 million profit, but i am very, very struck here that we ordered five years worth of ppe between february and july 2020, and up to £10 billion of that was never used. and i just wonder , is it used. and i just wonder, is it possible ? is it possible that possible? is it possible that michelle mone is being used as a scapegoat by a government that would rather not discuss the truth? well the truth is that everyone in the world wanted ppe and wanted as much of it as possible , and it turned out to

possible, and it turned out to be unnecessary. >> that's what really happened. and i think the defence of the government is that at the beginning of covid, people didn't know how the disease worked , how it was spread, and worked, how it was spread, and it was thought that ppe was essential. all those essential. and you had all those stories about how nursing homes couldn't get hold ppe , how stories about how nursing homes coulrneeded hold ppe , how stories about how nursing homes coulrneeded ityld ppe , how stories about how nursing homes coulrneeded it urgentlye , how stories about how nursing homes coulrneeded it urgently and ow they needed it urgently and therefore every avenue was followed to try and find ppe. and so we overordered , we and so we overordered, we overordered and we overpaid the price went shooting up. we've just been talking about shipping and how that's had an effect on the price of oil. when there is a to supply the price goes a risk to supply the price goes up and the price of ppe absolutely shot up . so there are absolutely shot up. so there are people who made a ton of money on this, and not just michelle mone and not just michelle mone. lots of people, particularly the chinese producers of ppe. but bear mind was going on bear in mind what was going on that germans banned the that the germans banned the export of ppe to italy . you export of ppe to italy. you know, in the fabled eu single market, they put an export restriction on because ppe was thought to be so valuable and so essential in fighting covid, and

people wanted to make sure there was plenty of it. how we ordered five years. >> i want to get to the i don't know, jacob. i've got one quick thing to say. the covid inquiry will not be discussing ppe procurement until the spring of 2025. don't we deserve ahead of a election have this a general election to have this out in the open to get michelle mone, everybody mone, mike gove and everybody else effectively else before us in effectively a pubuc else before us in effectively a public ? public court? >> well, course we do the >> well, of course we do the ppe, the covid inquiry seems obsessed by saying we should all have been locked up for longer and harder and not concentrating on anything that's actually nice to i agree, i agree. to people. i agree, i agree. >> well, my little >> well, this is my little bugbean >> well, this is my little bugbear, what >> well, this is my little bug we r, what >> well, this is my little bug we expect what >> well, this is my little bug we expect tonight what >> well, this is my little bug we expect tonight we're can we expect tonight we're going to be talking about, um, euthanasia assisted dying, um, assisted , whatever assisted suicide, whatever you want brought forward assisted suicide, whatever you wa esther brought forward assisted suicide, whatever you wa esther rantzen. ight forward by esther rantzen. >> it something we >> yes. is it something we should have? personally, i think >> yes. is it something we shoubutiave? personally, i think >> yes. is it something we shoubut we'llpersonally, i think >> yes. is it something we shoubut we'll be sonally, i think >> yes. is it something we shoubut we'll be goingy, i think >> yes. is it something we shoubut we'll be going through not. but we'll be going through the case against and for. the case both against and for. >> cannot an issue >> i cannot think of an issue that i had to face in 20 years as an mep that i felt more confused over than this particular one. you'll have to listen be in the car listen very. i'll be in the car listening. that's enough from me. let's a look

me. let's have a look at the weather. back with you tomorrow at 7:00. weather. back with you tomorrow at 7looks like things are heating >> looks like things are heating up. spot of weather up. boxt boilers spot of weather on gb news is . on gb news is. >> hello. welcome to your latest gb news weather update from the met office. rain will continue to clear through this evening, bringing many of us clearer skies overnight. but tonight that's because we've seen a cold front sweep south eastwards across country that's across the country that's clearing off tonight. and behind it this brisk it we see this brisk northwesterly direction northwesterly wind direction developing for the rest of the week. that will bring a swathe of showers to parts of northern ireland and much of scotland, and into northern england and nonh and into northern england and north wales. by the end of the night, these could fall snow night, these could fall as snow over of scotland for a over the hills of scotland for a time. further east, though it will stay and clear for much will stay dry and clear for much of that will of the night, and that will allow temperatures to fall away, will a colder night than last will be a colder night than last night risk grass night here, with a risk of grass frost tomorrow morning and frost by tomorrow morning and across areas, the across eastern areas, the morning much brighter morning will be much brighter than this morning. tomorrow however, the cloud will thicken

towards lunchtime as a warm front arrives from the northwest. that will introduce quite a lot of persistent, drizzly rain to western areas as well hills and some quite well as hills and some quite dull cloud, and temperatures will rise as a result, though , will rise as a result, though, so it will be a milder afternoon tomorrow afternoon. however, the winds will strengthen well, winds will strengthen as well, so turn quite windy. the so it will turn quite windy. the winds strengthen even more on wednesday and is a wednesday night and there is a wind warning out for many northern the country northern areas of the country through thursday , we through much of thursday, we could wind gusts in excess could see wind gusts in excess of 70mph, as well as some quite blustery showers pushing in from the north and west . there's blustery showers pushing in from the north and west. there's a continued risk of some snow showers in the north, but for many us, it's likely to stay many of us, it's likely to stay quite unsettled the run up to quite unsettled in the run up to christmas by a brighter outlook. >> with boxt solar sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> hello! good evening . it's me, >> hello! good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight. as veteran journalist esther rantzen announces , she has joined an announces, she has joined an assisted dying clinic following her diagnosis with lung cancer. the euthanasia debate has been reignited. does the sanctity of life take precedence over freedom of choice? we'll be having that debate shortly. meanwhile, housing levelling up secretary michael gove has promised to pummel through the impenetrable planning system in an overhaul to the way houses are in this country. the are built in this country. the green and mean mayor of london, sadiq khan, has found himself facing first, facing another scandal. first, he rejected his counterpart from kiev's request for non ulez compliant cars. and now it's been revealed by the daily telegraph that eco castro agreed to promote a us airline in exchange for business class plane tickets, plus , when the plane tickets, plus, when the police are too busy to arrest shoplifter, why are they recording non—crime time? tory mp rachel maclean has revealed the police have recorded a non—crime hate incident owing to

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