kickin. it got canned. yes big promises of the money. instead been redirected to local infrastructure projects. network nonh infrastructure projects. network north was born. i like it well. the department for transport have announced their latest network, north project. £235 million for road improvement. yes in london. are there literally having a laugh .7 and a literally having a laugh? and a police boss has warned that if we're not careful, the uk could end up as bad as san francisco. when it comes to drugs, is she right? and a simple question for you how much money should asylum seekers given per week . well,

seekers be given per week. well, i'll be debating all of that. and i've got a simple question as well. when it comes to simple pr, do you think the tories actually know what they are doing ? well, let's look into it doing? well, let's look into it all. but before we do, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's latest news headunes. headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gp newsroom. baroness michelle mone says she has an audio recording of a senior civil servant offering to make a national crime agency investigate nation go away . if investigate nation go away. if she paid money to the government . it comes after baroness mone admitted she set to benefit from admitted she set to benefit from a contract with ppe firm medpro, which earned a £60 million profit supplying protective equipment to the nhs during the pandemic , like posting on social pandemic, like posting on social media this afternoon, lady mone

suggested she could reveal the civil servants name. earlier, levelling up secretary michael gove said he hoped to see a criminal case brought against her. well, in other news, today , her. well, in other news, today, the mother of murdered teenager brianna jay says her daughter's two killers haven't shown an ounce of remorse after being found guilty of her daughter's murder in february. brianna was found with fatal stab wounds in a park in cheshire. the pair, identified only as girl x and boy y, both now aged 16 but 15 at the time, had denied murder and each blame the other for brianna's killing. mrs. justice yip told the defendants i will have to impose a life sentence and esther jay, brianna's mother and estherjay, brianna's mother , gave this statement earlier a warning there are flashing images . images. >> brianna was larger than life . >> brianna was larger than life. she was funny, witty and fearless. we miss brianna so much and our house feels empty without her laughter . to know

without her laughter. to know how scared my usually fearless child must have been when she was alone in that park with someone that she called her friends, will haunt me forever . friends, will haunt me forever. >> esther jay speaking a short time ago outside court. now an austrian it worker, has been found guilty of attempting to collect information on for terrorist purposes . 31 year old terrorist purposes. 31 year old mohamed hussein .gov was accused of industrial espionage after spying on a london based iranian television channel. he was remanded in custody and will be sentenced on friday. a man who confessed to the killing of his ex—partner to an undercover police officer has been sentenced to life in prison with a minimum time to serve of 20 years. claire holland was last seen leaving a pub in june 2012. in 2019, darren osmond did confess to killing a woman dunng confess to killing a woman during a 999 call, but then

later denied it. well an undercover officer decided to befriend him and over 20 months managed to get to know him well enough to covert record a confession , the jury was told confession, the jury was told osmond had blamed miss holland for their child being taken into care, and killed her during a drunken argument. care, and killed her during a drunken argument . west lindsey drunken argument. west lindsey district council is appealing against a high court decision, allowing the home office to house migrants on raf scampton, the former air base near lincoln is currently earmarked to accommodate 2000 and single aduu accommodate 2000 and single adult male migrants. its councillors voted unanimously to bnng councillors voted unanimously to bring the action, saying the site , which was once home of the site, which was once home of the dambusters , isn't suitable. raf dambusters, isn't suitable. raf scampton had previously been earmarked for landmark £300 million investment plan . the million investment plan. the health secretary says strikes by junior doctors will force patients to spend christmas in hospital. patients have been warned there'll be significant

disruption to nhs services . a disruption to nhs services. a staff start a three day walkout less than a week before christmas. this strike will last until december the 23rd as part of a major escalation in their dispute over pay . the irish dispute over pay. the irish government is bringing a legal case against the uk over a controversial parliamentary act designed to address the legacy left after the northern ireland troubles. irish premier leo varadkar has said the irish government felt they had no opfion government felt they had no option but to start the legal battle . introduced in september, battle. introduced in september, the act includes limited immunity from troubles related offences for those who co—operate with a new independent commission . it will independent commission. it will also halt future civil cases and legacy inquests . ireland argues legacy inquests. ireland argues that some details in the so—called troubles act are incompatible with the uk's obugafions incompatible with the uk's obligations under european convention on human rights and lastly in the united states. donald trump has accused president biden of trying to stop him by any means necessary

after he was barred from running for president in the state of colorado . mr trump was colorado. mr trump was addressing a rally in iowa after colorado's supreme court disqualified him over his alleged role in the january sixth us capitol hill attack. the ruling makes trump the first presidential candidate in us history to be deemed ineligible for the white house. the trump campaign will now ask the us supreme court to overturn the decision in colorado . that's the decision in colorado. that's the news on gb news across the uk, on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> thanks for that, paul. it was heartbreaking, wasn't it? then, watching brianna's family , one watching brianna's family, one of the things that brianna's mom said, and it really stopped me in tracks actually, because in my tracks actually, because when hear that, that story when you hear that, that story about awful, murder, when you hear that, that story ab0|can't awful, murder, when you hear that, that story ab0|can't help ul, murder, when you hear that, that story ab0|can't help but murder, when you hear that, that story ab0|can't help but think murder, when you hear that, that story ab0|can't help but think howier, when you hear that, that story ab0|can't help but think how on you can't help but think how on earth two teenagers, the perpetrators, so evil and perpetrators, become so evil and brianna's mum said, please have

empathy compassion the empathy and compassion for the families young people families of the young people convicted horrific crime convicted of this horrific crime . too have lost a child and . they too have lost a child and they live the rest of their they must live the rest of their lives knowing what their child has in so many lives just has done in so many lives just gone , ruined for what? anyway, gone, ruined for what? anyway, i am michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight and keeping me company. conservative in the house conservative peer in the house of lords. shaun bailey and a returning face. a visiting professor at staffordshire university. tom buick. welcome back to you. good to be back. and of course, good to see you again. shaun bailey. and you know you, on know the drill, don't you, on this programme, it is not just about us it's very much about us three. it's very much about us three. it's very much about guys at home as well. about you guys at home as well. what's mind tonight? you what's on your mind tonight? you can in touch with us all the can get in touch with us all the usual ways. at gb news. usual ways. gb views at gb news. com can tweet me @gbnews. com or you can tweet me @gbnews. i've got a lot. i want to talk to you guys about tonight, not least network sounds great least network north sounds great doesn't northerners doesn't it? for us northerners until you realise that actually it to incorporate north it seems to incorporate north london as well, what on earth is going on there? transport secretary thinks it's fabulous

that everyone's about that everyone's talking about network north. i don't think it is. and because of the reasons we're talking about are not we're talking about it, are not positive we'll get into positive ones. we'll get into that a bit in the that a bit later on in the programme. i also want to ask you as well, much money you as well, how much money should seekers be given should asylum seekers be given per and i want to talk to per week? and i want to talk to you drugs in the you about drugs as well. in the states use in this states of drug use in this country, what on earth we're going to do about that? but first let's talk politics, shall we? uh, the former we? peter byrne uh, the former tory mp will be familiar with this course, this story by now. of course, we're have we're going to have a by—election in by—election over in wellingborough, held wellingborough, peter byrne held that seat since 2005. lost that seat since 2005. he lost his seat now because just shy of 8000 people. so about 13.5% of his constituents have signed a recall petition. now now i shall start with you. i was asking my audience at the start of the programme two questions. do you still have faith in politicians, and is the recall, uh, policy and is the recall, uh, policy and strategy the right one? but let's start with that first aspect. uh, do you still have faith in politicians in this country? >> i actually think most people do. when talk do. and when you talk about politicians , i actually think

politicians, i actually think you to about the whole you have to talk about the whole way that our system the way that our system works, the press, people write about press, how people write about politicians, what press, how people write about politici.expect. what press, how people write about politici.expect. because hat press, how people write about politici.expect. because ift press, how people write about politici.expect. because if you people expect. because if you survey if you speak to survey people, if you speak to them, genuinely say their them, they genuinely say their politics, their trust in politicians fairly politicians generally is fairly low, in their local low, but in their local politicians fairly high. so politicians is fairly high. so most enjoy some most politicians enjoy some support from their local people at least. definitely councillors , because councillors effectively become the people who do a lot of that local work. and a lot of people do have some warm feelings towards their own mp. >> i'd love to know if you do say you've got some warm feelings towards your local councillors. is that the councillors. is that still the case? your local councillor case? if your local councillor is one of those that essentially are to declare nigh on are having to declare nigh on bankruptcy, tell me bankruptcy, can you tell me anyway, politicians? yeah. >> you question. n yeah. >> you question. i mean, >> you question. well, i mean, again, just come those again, just come back to those surveys people surveys actually, british people want believe in mps and in want to believe in mps and in parliament, but what we've got, i think in today's political class, in westminster in particular, is really they're a sort of infected with a groupthink. if you look at actually background most actually the background of most mps. and say this about all mps. and i say this about all parties, of these

parties, a lot of these professional politicians, they've up as special they've come up as special advisers and they they get parachuted into a safe seat. and it's a job for life for too many mps. and what i would do actually, is limit the terms of members of parliament in the house of commons to two terms to ten years, because like in the world of business, you understand that michel. you know, don't stick around know, leaders don't stick around forever. aren't jobs forever. people aren't in jobs forever. people aren't in jobs for we need a for life anymore. and we need a representative i representative democracy that i think real world. think reflects the real world. >> what if they're doing >> but what if they're doing a really job? their mp, they really good job? their mp, they are liked by their local constituents. know their are liked by their local const there ;. know their are liked by their local const there was know their are liked by their local const there was born ow their are liked by their local const there was born and heir are liked by their local const there was born and bred area. there was born and bred there. great there. they're doing a great job. why those people be? job. why should those people be? get out essentially after get booted out essentially after ten years? >> but it's about what >> yeah, but it's about what representative stands >> yeah, but it's about what rep and 1tative stands >> yeah, but it's about what rep and what; stands >> yeah, but it's about what rep and what; ancestorstands for and what our ancestors fought women fought for. you know, women fought for. you know, women fought right to vote. fought for the right to vote. before that, it was working class but actually, when class people. but actually, when you number of seats you look at the number of seats now that hands in the now that change hands in the house of commons, i mean, the electoral reform society, some research years research on a couple of years ago, 200 seats never change hands on average at a general election outside landslides election outside a landslides only change only about 50 seats change hands. that's what i mean

hands. and that's what i mean about group in our about this group thing in our political class, people look at westminster, they look at the erg politics. but what actually they see a very similar they they see a very similar people, albeit i, i have some sympathy for what you're saying, but actually, i think a lot of the groupthink maintained the groupthink is maintained within because within the civil service because they the consistent of that. >> but that's a cop out. no, it's not a cop out. if you're going to change, if you're going to change one, change both. i again, i have some sympathy for what saying, but then what you're saying, but then change what will change both because what will happen all of the happen if you change all of the mps regularly? civil mps very regularly? the civil service its stickiness service by, by by its stickiness will gain even more power. so if you're going make that big you're going to make that big adjustment, you've got to address people actually address the people who actually enact if you look enact the laws and if you look at our civil servants are at how our civil servants are behaving now, they're more powerful ever been. powerful than they've ever been. what did amber rudd was what they did to amber rudd was very of order. rules what they did to amber rudd was very they )f order. rules what they did to amber rudd was very they decide. rules what they did to amber rudd was very they decide they rules what they did to amber rudd was very they decide they won't that they decide they won't follow mps weren't around follow if the mps weren't around with memory they with some memory of that, they would they pleased. but would do as they pleased. but that's because, you know, they're with politicians they're working with politicians that have of that don't have the kind of experience that you would expect to there are some notable

>> there are some notable examples, actually, in the conservative party, you got former apprentices, you've got people who've from manual people who've come from manual backgrounds, people backgrounds, you've got people who've come from the public sector labour party. but sector in the labour party. but on the whole, when you look across the whole of house of across the whole of the house of commons extension commons and by extension the house well, although house of lords as well, although that's slightly different because have least often, because you have at least often, people achieved because you have at least often, people in achieved because you have at least often, people in their chieved because you have at least often, people in their lives,�*d because you have at least often, people in their lives, i'd something in their lives, i'd argue, other areas, argue, and these other areas, but not the house of commons. but not in the house of commons. >> don't want biased and >> i don't want to be biased and defend the house of lords. you can imagine why i would, but actually i think the makeup is very different because people have there for have been put in there for things have done. so i'd things they have done. so i'd argue makeup is very argue the makeup is very different, but go back to my different, but i go back to my point. you're to change point. if you're going to change one system, you'd to one party system, you'd have to change civil servants change all our civil servants have demonstrated a firm have demonstrated without a firm hand. they become the third political party. >> my point is, the >> yeah, but my point is, the reason why i think a lot of british people have lost faith with of living in a with this idea of living in a representative democracy is because they rishi because they look at rishi sunak's to sunak's cabinet 65% went to private that's 7% private school. that's only 7% of the average age population. go independent schools and go to independent schools and 45% to two university. 45% went to just two university. his. representative his. how is that representative of british people? we're of the british people? we're being the problem coming

>> so where's the problem coming from then? because anyone essentially right, essentially can say, right, either myself either i'm going to run myself as an independent or i'm going to try and be candidate to try and be a candidate for one parties. so where is one of the parties. so where is this coming from? this breakdown coming from? surely be. is that surely people must be. is that where it is in your mind? in the selection process? >> who gets elected why >> who gets elected and why they get is the real get selected? is the real problem and actually where i where fully board with where i am fully on board with what you're saying. there is definitely a type of person in politics. there's definitely a type that succeeds. type that that that succeeds. and i think we need to do and i do think we need to do something about that because it will a different blend. will give it a different blend. and that you go and this idea that you go to university, a special university, become a special adviser, a politician adviser, become a politician probably challenging probably does need challenging and probably does need challenging ancwell, also to be >> well, he also seems to be another type person in another type of person in politics the amount of politics because the amount of people that seems to be people now that seems to be getting in trouble for mysql shocked a lot of it. groping uh, waving tackle in waving their tickle tackle in people's faces. if allegations are to be believed , what's going are to be believed, what's going on? are we attracting the wrong kind? are people in this job and think that somehow they can get away with doing whatever ? away with doing whatever? >> there's two things that i think maybe attracts a certain

type of person. and when you walk you, there's a power walk around you, there's a power imbalance when imbalance there. i remember when i brought into the i first was brought into the lords, have this lords, you have to do this training about, you know, being respectful and what respectful of people and what the balance and yet the power balance is. and yet the power balance is. and yet the i would make is the other point i would make is if you scrutinise rewind, what kind train. kind of train. >> 5 kind of train. >> a training >> so you there's a training course people in the house course for people in the house of lords to respect the power balance. no to make sure you're aware and that you don't aware of it and that you don't abuse it. >> @- @— >> because if you're if you're an mp or a peer, immediately you're in a position you're in you're in a position of power and trust. and i think it's fairly new. obviously i haven't there long. haven't been there that long. and make sure that and they want to make sure that people and understand people respect it and understand it appropriately with it and work appropriately with that. mind, um, what that. in that in mind, um, what kind of things go on in that training course? >> was wishes he hadn't >> um, it was wishes he hadn't opened his mouth. when he comes on this show, there is an element of that. >> mean, tells you >> i mean, it tells you something, doesn't like if something, doesn't it? like if parliamentarians training parliamentarians need a training course teach them to how course to teach them to how respect their human respect their fellow human beings the workplace? mean, beings in the workplace? i mean, this is again another example where of the where aspects of the parliamentary estate just a throwback to the 19 th century ,

throwback to the 19 th century, um, and the fact that, for example , those people who work example, those people who work for mps , they for mps and for mps, they work for mps and parliamentary as, as the employer, they don't even work for parliament as the employer. and i think one of the innovations that we could make, actually, is that who actually, is that people who work for mps should be actually a bit like the civil service part of the crown estate. they should the parliamentary. >> i could probably with >> i could probably agree with that. there's one thing i'd that. but there's one thing i'd add to this. the level of scrutiny in the scrutiny that you get in the pubuc scrutiny that you get in the public correctly, you public arena correctly, if you put on any, any industry, put that on any, any industry, you'd get much the same result. i believe nobody looked at i believe nobody gets looked at in the detail. in anything like the detail. it's an excuse. it's a fact. >> and i bet actually there's a lot of good, decent people that have achieved enormous have achieved achieved enormous amount or in amount of stuff in society or in business whatever that business or whatever that wouldn't go a million miles of running because they running for office because they might skeletons in might have some skeletons in their or whatever. might have some skeletons in thei|i or whatever. might have some skeletons in thei|i think or whatever. might have some skeletons in thei|i think you'd or whatever. might have some skeletons in thei|i think you'd perhaps�*ver. might have some skeletons in thei|i think you'd perhaps lose and i think you'd perhaps lose a lot people for but very lot of people for that. but very quickly, the second part of my question in in terms of the recall peter byrne, recall process, so peter byrne, what saying, he what he's basically saying, he did a tweet, uh, and said, uh,

it's a 13.2% of the electorate basically signed the petition for a by—election he's saying 68,897 people chose not to sign the petition, which represents 8 to 6.8% of the electorate. so he's basically suggesting that that 86% odd didn't want to remove him from office. so why therefore, essentially, should therefore, essentially, should there be that by—election is the process wrong? >> i think i think the threshold should be a little bit higher. but if you take his point to its to its logical conclusion , well, to its logical conclusion, well, those people could then vote for him he'd get his seat him and he'd, he'd get his seat back. would be the logical back. that would be the logical conclusion. but i do believe the threshold be a little bit threshold should be a little bit higher, because it means is higher, because what it means is what 12, who what who knows? 12, 30% who knows. the point knows. but the point is, it means small group of organised means a small group of organised people maliciously could remove an which would be an mp, which would be anti democratic. need democratic. so i think we need to combat that. >> 10% is right threshold. >> 10% is the right threshold. we remember that prior to we should remember that prior to 2015, was impossible to 2015, it was impossible to recall mp or fire mp. so i recall your mp or fire mp. so i think actually genuinely think that's actually genuinely an innovation in our democracy. at of the day, his

at the end of the day, his constituents are the boss. he's failed in his behaviour as an mp . the threshold has been met. if he has real confidence that he can, you know, persuade his constituents to vote him in, he can stand as an independent and see what his constituents think. it's as simple as that. >> obviously peter byrne, he's saying, um, that all this sort of these allegations and all the rest was about ten rest of it, there was about ten years that years ago, he's saying that they're untrue without they're untrue and without foundation. is foundation. he says everyone is going have more to say on going to have more to say on these matters in the new year. so we'll wait with bated breath for that one then, shall we? anyway, what do make anyway, what do you make to it all? do you still have faith in our political class? and what about the point about the about the point made about the civil service is that civil service as well? is that something would agree something that you would agree with figure of with and that whole figure of 10% essentially being enough to prompt that prompt a by—election? is that the number for you or not? the right number for you or not? i've a lot that i want to i've got a lot that i want to talk you about after the talk to you about after the break. network north. yes as a northerner, i salute that. apparently all us northerners apparently all of us northerners were get a massive were going to get a massive boost the sacked the

boost when the sacked off the expansion of the hhs two expansion part of the hhs two today was a great announcement. 230 odd million quid to fixing the roads. yes, i hear all the northerners cry until you see the words in london, ian. i mean, what on earth is going on? and why are so many people in the tory party a little bit dense when it comes to basic pr? surely you must realise that this ain't gonna go down well. no. see you two. you tell me

economy. it's currently 97.8. that's 2.3% higher than october. >> hello. thanks. >> hello. thanks. >> hello. thanks. >> hello there. michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 tonight. conservative peer in the house of lords. shaun bailey and visiting professor at staffordshire university, tom brook. what's a visiting professor here? >> means i don't have to go there very often. i give the occasional lecture. >> a like a house of >> it's like a like a house of lords member, then. oh, i don't get like daily allowance. >> me, i'm four days a week. i'm

four days a week. >> so i'd be i'd want to hear that. i'd be seven days a week if it was 300 and some quid. did you do as well at house you do weekends as well at house of lords, your daily allowance? >> yes. you only an >> yes. you only get an allowance turn up. allowance if you turn up. >> and if you turn up clock in and for lunch. and go for lunch. >> you have to turn up and >> no, you have to turn up and do the work. we do work in there. plenty of it, actually. >> you guys can be judge. >> you guys can be the judge. you be the judge. uh, you guys can be the judge. uh, right. talk, we? any right. let's talk, shall we? any northerners out there and don't, uh, let's all fall out about uh, let's all not fall out about what the north is, because i can hear already say, michelle. hear you already say, michelle. michelle, michelle. like hear you already say, michelle. mich are , michelle. like hear you already say, michelle. mich are not chelle. like hear you already say, michelle. mich are not the le. like hear you already say, michelle. mich are not the north. like hear you already say, michelle. mich are not the north. how ke hear you already say, michelle. mich are not the north. how dare hull are not the north. how dare you? hear hear you, but you? i hear you, i hear you, but look, reason i'm look, anyway, the reason i'm talking about the north today is because. do remember they because. do you remember they basically after and froing basically after toing and froing and around, eventually and messing around, eventually sacked off, didn't they? the northern parts of hs2, they created a really exciting project. everyone network north. do you remember this ? do you remember all of this? lots thought, lots of northerners thought, well, finally, yes, we're well, maybe finally, yes, we're going to get sorted. all of our local transport sort routes, all of our potholes , you name it. of our potholes, you name it. well, today a big announcement

came out about network north sitting excitedly . sitting down excitedly. northerners ready? i'm going to tell you what you're going to get £235 million worth of investment. yes from network north. yes to improve the roads in london. sorry. shaun bailey. let me just ask a really simple question. right. because i can't believe that the tories, they achieved a success that they did in 2019. they got votes from northerners and red wall seats and all the rest of them. sometimes for the first time even sometimes for the first time ever. and i just feel our people within the tory party just a little bit dense or lacking complete self—awareness . because complete self—awareness. because when i say you , i mean the when i say you, i mean the department for transport, to be precise, when you really loud proud announcements that network nonh proud announcements that network north is going to invest £255 million to improve roads in london, made possible by rerouted hs2 funding. i can't believe that people around that

table don't sit there and go, boss, boss, have we thought this through? have we actually considered how this might go down with people outside of london? >> actually, the failings the other way round the government, as in the civil service would have come with that. and it was the minister who accept must be a tory should have said, don't we think this is going to go down very badly? look at risk of upsetting north. upsetting everybody up north. the getting the reason london is getting that money do the potholes is that to money do the potholes is because, quite frankly, we deserve money. if deserve the money. because if you at it, actually pay you look at it, we actually pay £500 million annually in vehicle excise that goes excise duty. that goes everywhere else in the country except london. everywhere else in the country except hold on. >> so hold on. >> so hold on. >> was about hs2 and >> this was about hs2 and sacking off the. >> i'm just i'm just answering the question, just just that point. london is in point. that's why london is in there. a deserving there. so london is a deserving recipient that money. that's recipient of that money. that's my first point. the second point, right. point, you are entirely right. um, the department point, you are entirely right. um,it the department point, you are entirely right. um,it all the department point, you are entirely right. um,it all falls the department point, you are entirely right. um, it all falls to the department point, you are entirely right. um, it all falls to the ministerent and it all falls to the minister who is a tory, should have said, actually, we shouldn't be putting this under the banner actually, we shouldn't be putof g this under the banner actually, we shouldn't be putof g this un railways anner actually, we shouldn't be putof g this un railways because of, of northern railways because that's look that's just going to look ridiculous, is ridiculous, because it is ridiculous. i back to the

ridiculous. but i go back to the major is hs2 was a hideous major point is hs2 was a hideous spend of money, and as long as as much as that ends up up north as much as that ends up up north as possible to fix those transport links is actually the most important thing, because that's thing for the that's the best thing for the country, north, country, not just up north, because is too big. and because london is too big. and these competitors and those competitors be northern competitors should be northern cities. harper , the >> well, mark harper, the transport he's transport secretary, he's tweeted, great. he says tweeted, it's great. he says that people are talking about our network plan . and this our network north plan. and this is what i mean, that they talking about it because they're ridiculed it they're mocking it. and they're saying it's yet another example of the tories not caring about the north. so then i struggle to comprehend why would the transport secretary that? great secretary tweet that? it's great that they're talking about it. it say 19.8 billion it goes to on say 19.8 billion being invested in transport across the north, 9.6 being invested in transport across the midlands, 6.5 billion being invested in transport across every other region of the country. tom, where are you on it? >> well, they're going to pay very heavy price. this is the conservatives at the next election. that's what the polls

show. i mean, rishi sunak went up to manchester. on your point about mocking. i he went about mocking. i mean, he went up manchester at the tory up to manchester at the tory party announced party conference and announced the hs2 in the city the scrapping of hs2 in the city of manchester that stood to benefit from that high speed line to hs2 . so really, you line to hs2. so really, you know, this is about successive governments have let down not just the north, but all those parts of the country outside london and the south east. we've talked levelling talked about levelling up. there's schemes there's been all these schemes to ensure so—called left to try and ensure so—called left behind communities get their fair investment. that fair share of investment. that we get civil service jobs, for example, out of the capital and into other parts of the country . into other parts of the country. but it never really happens. and not surprisingly, if you haven't got those high income jobs, those skilled, productive jobs in other parts of the country, just as you have here in london, then those parts of the country are not going to be as prosperous. >> so we but hold on, let's be let's be a little bit fair here. um large sums of money um there's large sums of money that are still going to be spent on, on travel and railways up north. and it's very easy to

say, oh, the tories don't care. north. and it's very easy to say,theythe tories don't care. north. and it's very easy to say,they do, tories don't care. north. and it's very easy to say,they do, actually,1't care. yes they do, actually, that money spent there and money is being spent there and it going to be spent it wasn't going to be spent there before. and actually hs2, what would done what it really would have done in original form, it would in its original form, it would have just made london bigger. that's have done. that's all it would have done. people would have found it easier to come here and that money stayed money would have stayed here, and jobs have stayed and the jobs would have stayed here by by changing you here by by changing hs2, you give the country give the rest of the country a better chance of competing because london needs competitors. it doesn't just need getting bigger. but need to keep getting bigger. but what promised up what prime minister promised up in manchester was that that money, he money, every penny of it, he said, on said, would be spent on improving regional connectivity of the north. of the railways in the north. >> you don't have live in >> and you don't have to live in the just if you visit the the north, just if you visit the north or as i do, go on business there, you will see that you've got antiquated railways back in the 19 century. got antiquated railways back in the so century. got antiquated railways back in the so c< accept got antiquated railways back in the so c> so i accept that. >> so i accept that. >> are talking about >> why are we talking about spending money from the department transport department of transport on potholes when potholes in london, when you've got 19 century still, got 19 century railways? still, because to spend? >> it's not fair to just talk about this as if someone's about this money as if someone's taking it away from the north. that's happened. and taking it away from the north. thavery happened. and taking it away from the north. thavery interestingappened. and taking it away from the north. thavery interesting that1ed. and it's very interesting that northern politicians have very heavily this to push the

heavily used this to push the north—south divide, but they didn't talk about money that didn't talk about the money that is going and i think is going up north. and i think if going to have this if you're going to have this conversation you be conversation, you have to be balanced. accept i accept that balanced. i accept i accept that this how come this is ridiculous how it's come out. ridiculous. and the out. it's ridiculous. and the minister may need to minister involved may need to have but talk have a look at that. but talk about entirety of what's happening. >> not but this happens >> not just but this happens time time again, right? time and time again, right? >> pr blunder. because >> these pr blunder. because this is what i mean, right? you could get intern, you could could get an intern, you could get a school child, actually, and say school and you could say to that school child, right. the tories are getting at the getting a massive kick in at the moment. there's a big north—south are north—south divide. people are saying that perhaps the tories don't wall don't care about the red wall and of it, and and all the rest of it, and those red wall seats are going to be crucial for the tories. so do you think a really good do you think it's a really good pr strategy to mention a network nonh pr strategy to mention a network north promoting north project? whilst promoting spend london? it probably a spend in london? it probably a school to school child would be able to say that's not a good say to you that's not a good idea boss. i don't idea boss. so then i don't understand why professional people within politics don't pick foreword pick that up. the foreword rishi sunak this report, sunak foreword in this report, when talking about when he was talking about network launching it, network north and launching it, he says the sentence, he says in the second sentence, everyone says , our plan

everyone he says, our plan breaks a failed consensus breaks with a failed consensus of the which saw too much of the past, which saw too much investment to westminster's investment go to westminster's transport priorities. instead, we're going to invest in the transport that matters to people . all, he goes on to say. outside london, our great cities and our smaller towns are not achieving their potential because their transport networks are . are so pooi'. >> are so poor. >> um, so you proved my point story at the top of the show. people have lost faith in politics. they kind of politics. they see that kind of messaging. makes messaging. and that's what makes people sceptical. messaging. and that's what makes people toeptical. messaging. and that's what makes people to be.:al. >> but to be. >> but to be. >> but to be. >> but to be clear, this is why i mentioned the precedent, because none what's been said because none of what's been said has about the umpteen has talked about the umpteen billions going to billions that is still going to go billions that is still going to 9° my billions that is still going to go my point being , i go there. my point being, i agree you. the minister agree with you. the minister might need to have a look at his communication strategy, the communication strategy, but the money still spent just money is still being spent just a bit of technocratic tweeting. >> then what about what >> okay then what about what about are going to about the billions are going to spend department transport? >> think this is actually >> i think this is actually something touched in something you touched on in your intervention, which is about the broken economic that we broken economic model that we have country. far too have in this country. far too much of the wealth, the tax revenues london

revenues with the city of london and all the investment that goes into transport goes into this into transport goes into to this little of the little tiny quarter of the british isles, when in fact we should . should. >> that's actually incorrect. let's be clear. london is a tax benefit to the public. we pay more in tax than we get back . more in tax than we get back. that's a fact. >> well, because this is where all the high income opportunities, you know, you've got graduates. so in places like stoke trent where i'm stoke on trent where i'm a visiting we've got visiting professor, we've got this sense of you have to leave to instead of to achieve, uh, instead of actually staying in your community. why because government not come up with government does not come up with a is strategy and a modern a this is strategy and a modern economic policy. that would see. but this is why i agreed but but this is why i agreed with you. prosperity spread across these. with you. prosperity spread acr< i .s these. with you. prosperity spread acr

again. it's why wasn't again. again. it's why i wasn't again. again. it's why i wasn't a big fan of hs2, because i thought it was just going to make london bigger, and you need to make the the country to make the rest of the country stronger. that would be my plan. to make the rest of the country strcandy that would be my plan. to make the rest of the country strcandy that wou|says my plan. to make the rest of the country strcandy that wou|says network. >> andy burnham says network nonh north seems to include everywhere north. uh, everywhere except the north. uh, that's burnham mayor that's andy burnham there. mayor manchester tracy brabin, west yorkshire mayor. says i know yorkshire mayor. she says i know the isn't a priority for the north isn't a priority for this government, but seriously, um, you someone there um, are you someone out there that actually thinks, no, this is move? you know is the right move? you know what's wrong it? i told you what's wrong with it? i told you already harper, already that mark harper, he's arguing it's arguing that ultimately, it's a good thing everyone's talking about this. he's reflecting the fact you've billion fact that you've got 9.6 billion invested the invested in transport across the midlands. i've said , in midlands. 6.5, as i've said, in transport across every other region of the country. mike says , michelle, please will you stop banging on about the north? you never mention the midlands, it's always the north and london. have considered perhaps have you ever considered perhaps the a similar the midlands are in a similar situation, if not worse? in some ways than your beloved north? yes, of course i you know, i'm just passionate. i used to live in newcastle under lyme, actually midlands . i in newcastle under lyme, actually midlands. i like actually in the midlands. i like that very well. you are that area very well. you are

from yes my passion is from trent? yes my passion is that, like you explained, this brain drain. so many people from the north. if you were okay and i've just fallen into his trap again. i've just mentioned the nonh again. i've just mentioned the north again, but okay. the midlands from anywhere outside north again, but okay. the milondon. rom anywhere outside north again, but okay. the milondon. ifn anywhere outside north again, but okay. the milondon. if yomywhere outside north again, but okay. the milondon. if you want re outside north again, but okay. the milondon. if you want to outside of london. if you want to succeed, if you want to achieve. i've all too often you get put to this horrible, horrible choice of right. do i stay with my in my home, or do my family and in my home, or do i try and move and let's face it, more often than not it means to london to try and succeed in my and i think my chosen career. and i think it's such an awful and it's such an awful choice. and i wish that economic opportunity and was spread and prosperity was was spread everywhere. but i blame everyone eamonn i blame the tories for this. i blame labour for this because if people were passionate rest of the passionate about the rest of the country, never have country, they would never have been divide and been this massive divide and this, discrepancy with this, this discrepancy with london in the first place, that would need fixing. >> but it's an overcentralised broken economic model under successive governments i'll successive governments, and i'll give when look at give you that when you look at other successful countries like germany, far more germany, they have far more powerful regional centres of

economic and industrial development and as you say, you know, in this country, absolutely, talent is spread evenly everywhere. but opportunity is not. and we've never come up with a winning strategy. >> while i agree with you to ensure that opportunity is everywhere , while i agree with everywhere, while i agree with you, there's one caveat i'd put in there. remember, london is successful because of london. london has put its back into doing london, but it's london. >> but you can't, you can't with you. it's a but you can't, you can't take away, you cannot take away the fact. >> right. i'll give you the point that industrial strategy this country has has been woeful. you'll be on woeful. if you if you'll be on london. but you cannot take away the london is have the fact that london is have hustled make london hustled to make london successful. is a fact. it successful. that is a fact. it is come on. listen. it's is one. come on. listen. it's one of the most. it's one of the most parts of the most productive parts of the country. because country. and that's because people harder. people work longer and harder. you around it. you can't get around it. >> i need to go to a break in a second, but mean, i can't let second, but i mean, i can't let that go by. london not that go by. london is not successful just because londoners hustle so many industrial and cities industrial towns and cities across and my

across this country, and my heart there heart breaks for them. there industry that used to employ by the grandfathers, the fathers , the grandfathers, the fathers, the grandfathers, the fathers, the workers those people the workers and those people worked long, hard and very often they worked very dirty manual jobs. they worked very dirty manual jobs . they didn't just sit jobs. they didn't just sit behind desks, shuffling paperwork hours end. they paperwork for hours on end. they grafted. broke their backs. grafted. they broke their backs. and happened their and what happened is their industry from industry was ripped away from them, from governments did them, from governments that did not damn about those not give a damn about those people. those people have people. those people would have given anything their right arms to able to graft and work and to be able to graft and work and provide but no provide their families. but no one a damn. they their one gave a damn. they took their industries. and still, i would argue to this day, they don't care about replacing those industries care industries. they don't care about supporting people about supporting those people and more importantly, allowing those and those people to graft and support themselves . anyway, support themselves. anyway, i've been to a break so been told to go to a break so guess what? i'm going pay guess what? i'm going to pay attention bosses and i'm attention to my bosses and i'm going a break. we've going to head to a break. we've got more that we need to got lots more that we need to talk about together. drugs coming the break have coming up after the break have we a big in this we got a big problem in this country? we on the cusp of country? are we on the cusp of turning into places like san francisco? police boss francisco? one police boss says yes. you agree? you tell me. yes. do you agree? you tell me. i'll in two.

radio. >> hello there. michelle dewberry till seven shaun bailey shaun bailey alongside me , as is shaun bailey alongside me, as is tom buick. welcome back everybody. uh, i've got a really quick suggestion you could fix this north—south divide or whatever . divide this north—south divide or whatever. divide london and the rest of the country . actually, rest of the country. actually, you could fix it in a nanosecond if parliament out if you relocated parliament out of london, pick the midlands if you want. if you don't want it to be about the north, stick it in stoke on trent. i bet my bottom dollar within a couple of years that divide would be getting shorter by getting shorter and shorter by the ican getting shorter and shorter by the i can tell you that. the day. i can tell you that. let's talk drugs, shall we? um, nice little segway. i almost went to a little rant then about because i am sure, sure, in because i am sure, i'm sure, in fact, if i'm wrong fact, correct me if i'm wrong and this is where i can get myself into trouble sometimes when on random thought when i go on my random thought process i'm about to process because i'm about to launch about launch into this debate about drugs, that there was drugs, i am sure that there was some drug testing done within

the parliamentary not some drug testing done within the |long mentary not some drug testing done within the |long mentthat not some drug testing done within the |long mentthat sure, not some drug testing done within the |long mentthat sure, that that long ago. that sure, that should of drugs in various should trace of drugs in various different places. am i wrong? i don't know anything about that. i think making that up. >> i kind of 4000 people work there. >> yeah, i kind of vaguely remember anyway , remember that. but anyway, that's i'm debating. that's not what i'm debating. i'm debating drugs. but i'm just debating drugs. but i just have that in my mind because i think actually, if people in power are potentially up shouldn't up to things that they shouldn't be, rest of us be, what hope of the rest of us got apparently drug drug got anyway? apparently drug drug use could us all use in cities could put us all in our country in danger in danger, our country in danger of becoming somehow a drug of becoming somehow like a drug ravaged francisco . this is ravaged san francisco. this is according chief, according to a policing chief, donna is the police donna jones. she is the police and commissioner and crime commissioner for hampshire. and i just what hampshire. um, and ijust what do you make to this in terms of as a country , our attitude to as a country, our attitude to drugs , um, the way that we use drugs, um, the way that we use them, the consequences, i.e. the deaths and the addiction , all them, the consequences, i.e. the dearestind the addiction , all them, the consequences, i.e. the dearest of the addiction , all them, the consequences, i.e. the dearest of it1e addiction , all them, the consequences, i.e. the dearest of it asaddiction , all them, the consequences, i.e. the dearest of it as aidiction , all them, the consequences, i.e. the dearest of it as a result. , all them, the consequences, i.e. the dea rest of it as a result. well the rest of it as a result. well i do wish the police chief would check her facts before she bnngs check her facts before she brings the sort of apocalyptic view francisco. view of san francisco. >> i mean, year in the >> i mean, last year in the united 300,000 of their united states, 300,000 of their citizens died of fentanyl and opioid addiction. every death is

a tragic death. 54 people lost their lives to heroin addiction here last year. i mean, i travel regularly to the west coast of the states, to la. and san francisco, so we've got nothing like the if you like the street nuisance that you see around drugs and the terrible tragedy unfolding human beings who unfolding for human beings who are homeless and have no access to a welfare security net. the fact is we have those services here in the uk, whether or not they're joined up enough, whether or not they get the investment. and ultimately, what i would this is a public i would argue this is a public health challenge there are health challenge and there are too parts of the uk that too many parts of the uk that see this in punitive sense, see this in a punitive sense, when actually we ought to learn from like from those countries like denmark, switzerland , like denmark, like switzerland, like portugal, have gone portugal, that have gone down the consumption room route the safe consumption room route and the evidence shows that actually bringing addicts in from the streets and treating them as a public health challenge is far more effective. >> do you agree? >> do you agree? >> i'd agree with your first, um , point. i think the police chief has gone a bit too far. we

just simply do not have the relationship with drugs that most american cities have, particularly san francisco. i say that someone who used to say that as someone who used to be worker many, many be a drug worker for many, many years, use drugs less and its years, we use drugs less and its impact for us is less. that's why when people talk about a war on drugs this country, it on drugs in this country, it makes my skin crawl because we don't because the don't have one. because the impact society hasn't impact on our society hasn't been as big. what would say, been as big. what i would say, though, international comparisons like, though, international com know,ns like, though, international com know, portugal like, though, international comknow, portugal or like, though, international com know, portugal or whatever, you know, portugal or whatever, people who look at the people who never look at the differences in our societies versus those . so, for instance, versus those. so, for instance, different welfare , different and different welfare, different and family don't believe , family makeup, i don't believe, um, rooms that would be um, use rooms that would be quite as well. um, would , would quite as well. um, would, would serve the public just as well as they did those other they did in those other countries well. and a lot of countries as well. and a lot of those countries are stepping back but think the back from that. but i think the key here's what i come key thing is here's what i come back agreeing with you. this back to agreeing with you. this is largely i say largely is largely and i say largely a pubuc is largely and i say largely a public situation you public health situation if you want people to not use so much drugs, they need have drugs, they need to have a social, um, a social place to express that pain. where express that pain. some where where they be supported and where they can be supported and if pursue people about

if you only pursue people about the legal thing and believe you, i'm strong on that because i come from a poor community destroyed by drugs and it's not it's not drug dealers . everybody it's not drug dealers. everybody look, it's drug users . look, it's not it's drug users. because crime, when because low level crime, when people are stealing the little that have , there's nothing that you have, there's nothing low level about and that's low level about it. and that's what the drug what really drives the drug industry. that's why i think industry. and that's why i think we always look on the we need to always look on the enforcement be enforcement piece. but be mindful. it is about mindful. really, it is about pubuc mindful. really, it is about public health. >> kathy's been in touch, um, saying addiction is a disease. addicts alcoholics are sick addicts and alcoholics are sick and they need treatment get and they need treatment to get well. the nature of well. she says the nature of addiction you can't stop addiction is that you can't stop most people in prison are there due to drug alcohol abuse. due to drug and alcohol abuse. and says that government and she says that the government spent rehab instead spent the money on rehab instead of prison. it wouldn't help. she goes that she had goes on to say that she had a long time addiction. i won't share all your details, she says. she joined a 12 step program and she hasn't done the things that she was doing for 17 years. i've just got to say respect to you, kathy, because i know some of the work that goes into trying to come off drink and drugs and all the rest of

it, i know it's easy. so it, and i know it's not easy. so full to you and anyone full respect to you and anyone else in that situation. let's talk, shall we? after the break, i'll bring of guys into i'll bring some of you guys into the conversation. but also i'll bring some of you guys into the cit01ersation. but also i'll bring some of you guys into the do askition. but also i'll bring some of you guys into the do ask you. but also i'll bring some of you guys into the do ask you aiut also i'll bring some of you guys into the do ask you a simple ;o want to ask you a simple question when it comes to asylum seekers, allowances, how seekers, what allowances, how much they much money do you think they should every week from the should get every week from the state? you tell and i'll see state? you tell me and i'll see you

hello there. michelle dewberry with you till 7:00. shaun bailey at tom buick alongside me until the end of the program. les says michel, you're talking about londoners getting too much money. he says give londoners all the money that you that they and you want. it might keep them down there. he says, oh, you're a harsh man, les are harsh. harsh man. uh, janet says perhaps someone needs to give politicians a compass. they don't seem to know, uh, where the north even is. uh, lots of

you actually saying again, it's not just all about the north. many people pointing out there is a london and rest of the country divide. i hear you on that one. uh, look, let's talk asylum seekers, shall we? because those of them that are living in hotels in the uk apparently going to have their allowances cut to £1.27 a day next month . this means next month. this means essentially it will be cut from £9.58 to £8.86 a week. so i'm asking you a question. is it right then to cut these allowances? should they be getting allowances at all? and is this money that they're getting enough? you tell me, sean, thoughts. sean, your thoughts. >> first foremost, have sean, your thoughts. >> make foremost, have sean, your thoughts. >> make sure foremost, have sean, your thoughts. >>make sure these»st, have sean, your thoughts. >>make sure these people have sean, your thoughts. >> make sure these people live to make sure these people live in humane conditions that they're after they're being looked after medically, spiritually, socially, once we've socially, properly, once we've done then we should bear done that, then we should bear in mind that everybody in the country downgrade in country has had a downgrade in their because of cost their income because of the cost of crisis. so you can't of living crisis. so you can't have a situation where people are much more comfortable than the who are the people who are who are paying the people who are who are paying but first paying that bill. but the first port must be that these port of call must be that these people are being looked after in

a humane and decent way. that's that me, who i'd hope, that for me, is who i'd hope, who believe are as who i believe that we are as british people. who i believe that we are as britbutpeople. who i believe that we are as britbut izople. who i believe that we are as britbut i mean, that that >> but i mean, even that that sentence there'll be sentence there, there'll be people watching this. so when you humane and decent, how you say humane and decent, how people sitting there at people will be sitting there at home the bibby home going, oh, well, the bibby stockholm humane. that's stockholm is not humane. that's not um, decent this not huge. um, a decent it's this kind will call it kind of people will call it a floating prison ship. you floating prison ship. do you think bibby ticks that box? >>i box? >> i disagree with them, and i think long as we keep those think as long as we keep those people safe and we keep and we keep them secure and well fed while we process their, while we process their their, their paperwork, that that's fine. let's clear. fine. but let's be clear. everybody in this you everybody in this country, you know, unless you're rolling in, it some kind of it has had some kind of downgrade in their income. >> tom, think the point really >> tom, i think the point really about the fact about this story is the fact that effort by that a conscious effort by government, to uprate the government, not to uprate the weekly asylum government, not to uprate the weekly in asylum government, not to uprate the weekly in line, asylum government, not to uprate the weekly in line, for asylum government, not to uprate the weekly in line, for example, of seekers in line, for example, of other benefits, state other other benefits, state benefits, pension got benefits, state pension got a 10% dwp benefits like 10% increase, dwp benefits like universal credit , they saw about universal credit, they saw about a 7% increase. this was an actual less and they celebrated the fact in the press release was below cpi inflation. in other words , this is a punitive other words, this is a punitive effort to say to asylum seekers

in a pre—election year, we're going to do everything we can, whether it's the bibby stockholm or it's the criminalisation. since the latest legislation went through, of those who come over the channel, 75% of whom, by the way , will actually have by the way, will actually have their asylum claim eventually heard. and frankly , i just think heard. and frankly, i just think it's for the birds. this idea that asylum seekers risk their lives and come across the channelin lives and come across the channel in order to get an extra couple of quid a week on their allowance when they can't work for 12 months. but here's the thing a claims process. >> here's the thing. >> here's the thing. >> keep using the word >> you keep using the word asylum seekers. >> majority of them, >> the vast majority of them, the majority these the vast majority of these people economic . people are actually economic. >> that's a different thing. once you've had your claim upheld, your your your caring state your british citizen for want of a better time, well, you have things and have different things work and different before different thing. but before that point, if you're an economic migrant, unfair for ask migrant, it is unfair for to ask the poorer in this the poorer people in this country you up. they country to stand you up. they have own bills to pay and have their own bills to pay and it's unfair to do that. >> but i think we're confusing

two sean. two things here, sean. >> that we've got >> one is that we've got a broken asylum system in this country, could agree with country, and i could agree with thousand waiting thousand people are now waiting in as i say, in the backlog. as i say, i don't think the asylum seekers are coming over. even economic migrants come here for a couple of quid their benefits. migrants come here for a couple of they're their benefits. migrants come here for a couple of they're coming' benefits. migrants come here for a couple of they're coming here efits. migrants come here for a couple of they're coming here often migrants come here for a couple of work're coming here often migrants come here for a couple of work in coming here often migrants come here for a couple of work in our1ing here often is to work in our very unregulated labour market. that's why you're seeing these stories of deliveroo drivers, for , who passing out for example, who are passing out their credentials to allow people don't have right people who don't have the right to work here. i just think we need a more up debate need a more grown up debate about how we treat. >> i ask you this question of people. i ask you this question what right to work what would the right to work immediately do illegal immediately do for illegal crossings ? crossings? >> what would it do for our unskilled workforce? where would they be? would it do to us they be? what would it do to us economically if we just said, if you get here, you work? what you get here, you can work? what would upside of that? would be the upside of that? >> what i don't think is >> well, what i don't think is sensible say to anyone who sensible is to say to anyone who comes across now the channel that they are instantly a criminal to stay criminal and their right to stay here, even to claim is considered in. >> but it has crossed . they >> but it has crossed. they

have. and then we're spending thousands failed rwanda. thousands on this failed rwanda. they have, they have. >> clear. they have >> let's be clear. they have crossed and there are crossed illegally and there are economic migrants. so, so what are you that it be no are you saying that it be no longer illegal to that longer be illegal to do that have no. >> have defined in our law >> we have defined in our law that have passed illegally that they have passed illegally in international law. they're entitled to come across the channel entitled to come across the channel, the criminal channel, albeit the criminal gangs facilitated by our law. >> our law should have premises . >> our law should have premises. >> our law should have premises. >> our law is our land. >> our law is our land. >> but the fact is we could end. >> but the fact is we could end. >> actually the small boats crisis tomorrow. we had a return to agreement with france. it's the our diplomatic. the lack of our diplomatic. >> because >> no, we couldn't, because france capital france, which france has capital france, which sunak. i'm sorry. i sunak. i'm sorry, i'm sorry. i cannot tell you returns. >> cannot you how. that's >> i cannot tell you how. that's how untrue that is. the how untrue that is. because the idea that would take all idea that france would take all these people back france these people back when france has own, very real has its very own, very real immigration problem, so does germany as well. idea that germany as well. the idea that we're only people in this we're the only people in this position because we've position because of how we've behaved is simply not true. europe in general, france in particular, germany well, particular, germany as well, france these france would take all of these people if we had, people back tomorrow if we had, as part of a returns agreement, just as we do with albania, a

commitment to process safe and legal these asylum legal routes for these asylum seekers, legal routes for these asylum seeinumber they'd have to take, the number they'd have to take, the number they'd have to take, the that have to take the numbers that have to take would make what albania take back tiny. of course albania back tiny. and of course albania almost exclusive is taking back albanians, you can imagine albanians, which you can imagine they're and they feel they're taxpayers and they feel very warm about asking france to take the world in, because we don't want to take or we want to take back the people who are in a safe country. >> they simply claim asylum. >> they simply claim asylum. >> they simply doesn't mean to say that we should get out of our international commitments, say that we should get out of our inteourtional commitments, say that we should get out of our inteourtioneshare mitments, say that we should get out of our inteourtioneshare oftments, to take our fair share of refugees and asylum. >> i'm sorry it sounds great when you use all those words like fair share and france and all rest that. i there's all the rest of that. i there's one do agree the one thing i do agree the response to this is definitely international, that international, but the idea that france else in europe france or anybody else in europe is take refugees is going to take our refugees when their own when they have their own problems for the birds. but problems is for the birds. but coming wouldn't happen. >> coming the main >> but coming back to the main story this really about a story is this really about a couple of uh, for an couple of quid? uh, for an allowance, which is, by the way, half unemployed people on half what unemployed people on jobseeker's allowance get a week. really where the week. is that really where the debate party. no,

debate and the tory party. no, i'll tell where the debate is. >> not just a huge deflection. here's why i think the here's why i think that the tories failed their tories have failed on their asylum seekers. >> here's think the debate >> here's why i think the debate is i think the debate is the question that nobody's been able to why britain, to answer. why britain, if you're home, people you're sat at home, some people are we an easy are thinking, are we an easy touch? is the thing? are we touch? what is the thing? are we are the promised land? what are we the promised land? what is it? britain and i think is it? why britain and i think i. wrong. election i. you're not wrong. an election and those things focus the and all those things focus the mind the government are mind and the government are probably thinking. actually, we need that we're going probably thinking. actually, we neewe're that we're going probably thinking. actually, we neewe're going1at we're going probably thinking. actually, we neewe're going1at do 're going probably thinking. actually, we neewe're going1at do something to. we're going to do something slightly agree slightly different. if you agree or don't know. but that's or not. i don't know. but that's what they're probably thinking about. what they're probably thinking abowhy britain's a thing called what they're probably thinking abo englishtain's a thing called what they're probably thinking abo english language. ng called the english language. >> and a large parts of the world speak it. that's that's one the reasons why an one of the reasons why we're an attractive place. >> so much money >> why do we spend so much money on translators? >> well, because english >> well, because their english isn't to that isn't necessarily up to that level of proficiency. but my point people arrive point is, once people arrive here, should be here, should we really be engaged demonisation of engaged in this demonisation of migrants, in this punitive action them? you say, migrants, in this punitive acti

security system. um, if somebody who's on who's unemployed on non—contributory who's unemployed on non—contrcanory £80 to allowance can get £80 a week to support of their support them outside of their housing, and other housing, heating and other costs, then why can't asylum seekers? >> because. because we that seekers? >>12ecause. because we that seekers? >> 12 months. ecause we that for 12 months. >> you can't work. i think we should bring that. >> benchmark down i tell >> we benchmark down to i tell you, we've still got people. >> i tell why i tell you >> i tell you why i tell you why. and foremost, when why. first and foremost, when you seekers you talk about job seekers allowance that, they are allowance and all that, they are people we legally, people who we are legally, morally know, morally and, you know, responsive that's responsive for. that's different. why different. that's so that's why we that. we should do that. >> and so we're not a responsible for asylum seekers. no, no, don't stop using the word asylum seekers. >> economic migrants can word asylum seekers. >> you economic migrants can word asylum seekers. >> you econcnow migrants can word asylum seekers. >> you econcnow this'ants can word asylum seekers. >> you econcnow this ists can tell you right now this is a conversation that's going to conversation that's not going to end soon. end any time soon. >> one of my viewers asked the question, if all these people can afford all these fortunes to travel the to you in travel the world to get you in the first place and pay people smugglers, they afford smugglers, why can't they afford to when they to support themselves when they arrive you can arrive here? good point. you can give to that give me the answer to that another day. but for now, tom. thank you sean, thank you for your you, always your time. thank you, as always to you guys at for home fantastic night. do not go anywhere. legend anywhere. the jungle legend farage next, a brighter farage up next, a brighter outlook solar sponsors

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blustery afternoon there blustery afternoon and there will be some quite intense showers in from the showers moving in from the north and the southwest will and west. the southwest will hold on the slightly milder hold on to the slightly milder air, more of that air, but a lot more of that cloud rain through much of cloud and rain through much of the likely to see the day. and we're likely to see some delays due that some travel delays due to that wind warning as well. friday will calmer but will likely be a calmer but still quite windy day, and still quite a windy day, and we'll see a stream of showers still moving from the north still moving in from the north and in the southwest , and west. in the southwest, though, and brighter day though, a drier and brighter day . in the far north, . however, in the far north, with the strong winds risk with the strong winds and a risk of showers, there is a risk of snow showers, there is a risk of snow showers, there is a risk of blizzards into the weekend , of blizzards into the weekend, though it does stay and though it does stay mild and windy run to windy in the run up to christmas. that's for all now. see later. looks like things see you later. looks like things are heating up . are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

gb news tonight on farage as the french parliament passes new laws and illegal immigration dominates politics across the whole of the european union. >> and a new deal has been agreed in brussels. i asked the question are they finally waking up to reality ? donald trump gets up to reality? donald trump gets kicked off the ballot for the presidential election by the supreme court of colorado . so supreme court of colorado. so surely this outrage cannot stand and the police and crime commissioner for hampshire and the isle of wight says uk cities are in danger of becoming drug ravaged and becoming like san francisco . let's hope that's an francisco. let's hope that's an exaggeration. but before debate on all of those things, let's get the news with polly middlehurst judith raanan . middlehurst judith raanan. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, our top story from the gb news room is that baroness michelle mone says she has an audio recording of a senior civil servant offering to make a national crime agency

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