>> good morning. it's 930 on thursday, the 21st of december. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with me andrew pierce and pip tomson >> time to name the killers . a >> time to name the killers. a judge will decide today whether or not to identify the teenage killers who murdered rihanna. jai and keir starmer help the hate preacher. >> the labour leader represented the islamist extremist abu qatada, fight his deportation in court in 2008. our political correspondent katherine forster joins us now. >> yes, sir keir starmer has previous work as a human rights lawyer, coming back to bite him today after it turns out he represented that notorious hate preacher that the government spent ten years and nearly £2 million trying to get rid of . million trying to get rid of. meanwhile, he's in estonia looking and sounding. he hopes, like your next prime minister.

sir tony blair, to meet the israeli prime minister >> the uk government has given its blessing for the unofficial talks to take place . another talks to take place. another former prime minister visit as lord david cameron is doing the same and junior doctors are doing it again. >> they're on strike again in england this morning. it's leading to the biggest strike by junior doctors in the history of the . the nhs. >> we're also talking to your old sparring mate . we are kevin old sparring mate. we are kevin maguire. he is here. he is. i will be referee , no doubt. will be referee, no doubt. >> never a dull moment with mr maguire, but only for 35 years. and he's been wrong for 35 years. >> we'll see what he says about that. >> andrew, let us know your thoughts on what we are talking about today. the email address, as always gb views at gb news. com don't forget to let us know

who you are and where you're contacting us from now. your latest headlines with tatiana . latest headlines with tatiana. >> pep, thank you very much. and good morning. this is the latest from the gb news room. today marks 35 years on from the lockerbie bombing that killed over 250 people. when the boeing 747 exploded over the scottish town of lockerbie. it killed all 259 passengers and crew on board and ii 259 passengers and crew on board and 11 people on the ground . the and 11 people on the ground. the bombing, which took place on the 21st of december, 1988 as the plane made its way from london to new york, remains the uk's worst ever terrorist attack . worst ever terrorist attack. former head of counter—terrorism at the ministry of defence, major chip chapman, told gb news accountability is extremely important and it is mass criminal murder and mass criminal murder and mass criminal murder and mass criminal murder means that, uh, you know, people still need to be held to account if they think there are people out there who still did these things. >> but you need evidence to

prosecute. now, megrahi was was prosecuted. the key question if you're in the counter—terrorist field is could this happen again ? field is could this happen again .7 most of the mass .7 because most of the mass criminal murder through aviation incidents occurred in the 70s and 80s, and now it is very difficult to do that because of airport security being better . airport security being better. >> the labour leader's meeting british troops at a nato base on the border with russia, sir keir starmer is there to show his commitment to nato. he'll thank the servicemen and women for their courage, integrity , their courage, integrity, loyalty and professionalism and wish them a happy christmas. sir keir will also use his visit to warn that the west must not lose sight of moscow's threat to europe . europe. >> i'm here to say thank you to our troops here in estonia who are based on the border pretty much with russia for the work they're doing, keeping us safe, they're doing, keeping us safe, the work they're doing for nato, but also to reaffirm our unshakeable commitment for nato and our unshakeable commitment

to ukraine and to remind everybody that russia is a constant threat , not just now, constant threat, not just now, but into the future . but into the future. >> the british sign language will be taught at as the gcse in england from september 2025. the department of education says it will give students an understanding of the history of sign language in the uk. education secretary gillian keegan says it can open the door for so many young people. it's understood the development of the was delayed due to the the gcse was delayed due to the covid pandemic. the gcse was delayed due to the covid pandemic . you can get more covid pandemic. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website gbnews.com. now back to andrew and . pip now back to andrew and. pip tatiana . tatiana. >> thank you. a judge will decide today whether to lift anonymity orders protecting the identity cases of brianna j's teenage killers. >> a 15 year old boy and a 15

year old girl are guilty of murdering the teenager. they are 16 now. the transgender girl was stabbed 28 times at a park in cheshire, in what was described as a ferocious attack. >> this is what brianna's mother had to say. brianna was larger than life . than life. >> she was funny, witty and fearless. we miss brianna so much and our house feels empty without her laughter . much and our house feels empty without her laughter. our to know how scared my usually fearless child must have been when park when she was alone in that park with someone that she called her friend will haunt me forever. >> so , so brave and courageous . >> so, so brave and courageous. brianna j's mother there. and what was also interesting was the way she said about sparing a thought for the families of the killers who are also suffering thing. what do you think .7 well, thing. what do you think? well, they are not the same way, but yes, they are. andrew, what do

you think? should these teenage killers be named? this is an application we should explain. thatis application we should explain. that is made by the press because . because people of 15 because. because people of 15 and 16 that appear in crown court, these individuals did . court, these individuals did. they are entitled to anonymity and less than application is made to lift to lift that order. and that is what the judges deciding on today. >> so the judge will decide if it's in the public interest. and i would argue quite simply, these not these children did these are not these children did not teenagers. they these are not these children did not like teenagers. they these are not these children did not like savages,agers. they these are not these children did not like savages, savages|ey these are not these children did not like savages, savages .y behave like savages, savages. absolutely we've seen absolutely planned. we've seen the detail planned with meticulous detail. they lured that young girl into a would . that young girl into a would. they thought. she thought she was with friends . it they thought. she thought she was with friends. it is they thought. she thought she was with friends . it is beyond was with friends. it is beyond it is shocking what happened to her and i'm afraid the courts don't do this very often. but they should. in this case, they should name them 28 times, as brianna was stabbed with that hunting knife , the court heard hunting knife, the court heard that her killers had a thirst

for killing. >> now this has happened before. it doesn't happen very often that judges lift these orders, but it has happened. >> boulder killers were named thompson venables. although thompson and venables. although when, course, they when, of course, when they left court, they prison, court, when they left prison, they new identities they were given new identities and it was it's something called the mary bell defence. mary bell was a child killer. many, many years she killed when she years ago. she killed when she was 12. that is the was 12. and so that is the argument that you protect somebody under the age of 18. but i think in this case it's got to be lifted. >> what about the view that that these people will be at risk back in prison? >> well, hopefully. well tough luck. they should have thought about that before they, before they savagely murdered this child , a 16 year old child who child, a 16 year old child who had all bravely faced up to all sorts of issues in her life with being a trans child. it's one of the most harrowing stories i've heard. >> and she thought these, these individuals were her friends. these these murderers were her friends. >> and she was betrayed brutally . and i'm sorry, on rare occasions, you've got to change

it. they've got to be named and shamed. >> let's bring in your mate, the associate editor of the daily mirror, maguire, mate. mirror, kevin maguire, a mate. >> well , the accused then. >> well, the accused then. >> well, the accused then. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> kevin, i go back many, many years. we start in parliament around the same time. i think 1988, it was. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> he was in the press association. the times in association. i was the times in the procedure the gallery reporting procedure from the days when from parliament in the days when people cared what on in people cared what went on in parliament. used to have parliament. we used to have a broadsheet page in the broadsheet page a day in the times from parliament and, and we'd known each other for a long time anyway. kevin always disagrees and i suspect disagrees with me, and i suspect he's about to disagree me how. >> now. >> yeah, well, you're rarely right, except politically right. you're right, right. you're the right, but not right. the bell case was given. the mary bell case was given. given her a new identity when she same venables. she came out. same as venables. thompson's the bulger killers because . they were afraid. because. they were afraid. people are light, tortured and go around with pitchforks. yeah. and attack them in this case, the criminal law responsibility in england. is 1012 in in england. wales is 1012 in scotland, which is why they could 15 at could be tried. there were 15 at the time. normally you're

the time. normally if you're under you not named. under 18 you are not named. that's the decision that's yeah. that's the decision i to favour open justice. i tend to favour open justice. right. and naming them . but i right. and naming them. but i do wonder what we would gain from that because i've read the papers. watch tv, listened to the radio, gone on the net. is there anything we do not know? >> why should they have that protection after what they've done ? yeah, yeah. done? yeah, yeah. >> oh, it's because you've got to try and rehabilitate them. you do locally everybody will know who they were because they were in a school. all of a sudden you vanish from a class, uh, local communities in cheshire will be too all well aware of them. in fact, if you look at certain areas in the internet, you can find out who they are. i don't advise people to them social media to name them on social media because you would be in contempt of court. yeah at the moment you have quite serious that that is a problem these days as a real problem these days as well, because can easily be well, because they can easily be named or on facebook. >> right. >> right. >> it's already on. so that creates layer course creates another layer of course rehabilitation is important. that's very part of

that's a very important part of prison. prison is also about prison. but prison is also about punishment and these punishment kevin. and these people face to people have to face up to the consequences. nearly people have to face up to the consequethey. nearly people have to face up to the consequethey carried nearly people have to face up to the consequethey carried out nearly people have to face up to the consequethey carried out these( 16 when they carried out these offences. when you're 16, you can, join the military can, um, join the military forces. can do you can get forces. you can do you can get married with parental permission. they're almost young adults, they have to adults, and i think they have to be held to it. and we may learn more about them. perhaps it will tell more about their family, tell us more about their family, what in their sick what was going on in their sick minds that they planned this murder with meticulous detail. >> pippa, as you said, >> and pippa, as you said, the mother inspiring. brian's mother is inspiring. brian's mother is inspiring. brian's mother inspiring because she mother is inspiring because she said, feel compassion said, look, feel compassion and empathy families. the empathy for the families. the parents of these two two murderers, they've murderers, because they've they've lost their lost their children. and she said the 215 year olds, as they were then, showed no remorse, no remorse at all. >> when the verdict came in. >> when the verdict came in. >> what about about the risk that lifting this cloak of anonymity will bring to the murderer's families? >> well, as i say, kevin made the point. >> safety locally it's known anyway. >> but these are consequences. i'm afraid that you have that these are consequences of what these are consequences of what

these monsters did. they are monsters. let's not call. >> do their families deserve. >> do their families deserve. >> i'm sorry. they. they the repercussions of this as parents and the thing is, they are known locally already. people do locally already. so people do know. had before know. and we've had this before where turn up and where lynch mobs turn up and nobody's advocating that . nobody's advocating that. >> but they they will be >> yeah, but they they will be known locally. they already known locally. they are already that . they, they that is in cheshire. they, they will an open secret. now the judge will to decide judge will have to decide whether is an override whether there is an override pubuc whether there is an override public interest in, in naming them, rather than just being interested. >> okay. >> okay. >> well, let's just explore that when we talk about overriding also the other thing when they go into prison, every prisoner will know what they've done. >> so they won't give them any protection in by them not protection in prison by them not being when talk being named. but when we talk about interest , does the about public interest, does the pubuc about public interest, does the public interest override the interests defendants? interests of defendants? >> exactly is the public >> what exactly is the public interest here? what gained interest here? what is gained from us knowing who these individuals are, i think i think the public interest is served because this is this is shocked. >> the nation, this crime. i'm absolutely shocked the nation in the the bulger killers

the way the bulger killers shocked the nation. i think shocked the nation. and i think the ferocity and brutality nobody's going to compare like with like and i think we're so we're entitled to know and we are entitled to perhaps see what we can learn from it. you can learn more if you know who they are than if they're hiding behind a wall of anonymity. >> you see, i go a pit. what is the overriding public interest? and i'm trying to play it out in my head because i would like my own head because i would like to pictures of them. i would to see pictures of them. i would like know everything about like to know everything about them, that does that them, but does that does that help do we learn help justice? do we learn anything really genuinely from that? >> and eventually will be >> and eventually they will be released almost certainly with new identities and a banning order on revealing who they are to stop them being attacked . to stop them being attacked. >> mary bell, with that murder was 30, 40 years ago. she's she's never been. >> yeah. mary bell killed two very young children in the north—east of england. i think she was she was child minder and it was felt if she if she came out she still known as out and she was still known as mary bell, people knew where she lived. would a lynch mob

lived. they would be a lynch mob . so i think i know where she lives . i think now know what lives. i think i now know what her identity is, but you cannot state and there are state it publicly. and there are other like that. other cases like that. >> well, the killers have no identities, but it would make it hard , harder to give these two people. >> if you think they deserve new identities and a chance if they rehabilitate it when they finally we don't know finally come out. we don't know what tariffs are what the minimum tariffs are going for sentence . going to be for their sentence. it's easier you don't know it's easier if you don't know who are. who they are. >> um, fascinating . yeah. >> yeah. um, fascinating. yeah. and we'll know a little later because the judge judge will because the judge the judge will speak court at 1030, i speak to the court at 1030, i think, and hopefully he will also made the also explain why he has made the decision that he has made one way or the other. yeah >> yeah, he has to. yeah. yeah >> yeah, he has to. yeah. yeah >> now, what do you think? >> now, what do you think? >> yeah. do we wonder what you think? >> gb views gb news. >> gb views gb news. >> com because it is an emotive subject without a doubt. the subject without a doubt. now the labour sir keir starmer, labour leader sir keir starmer, when before he an when before he became an mp, helped hate abu helped the hate preacher abu qatada fight his deportation in court back 2008, court back in 2008, well represent the islamist extremist and immigration judge called the

labour leader's arguments . labour leader's arguments. >> he was a lawyer at the time. he called his arguments fallacious . fallacious. >> nothing new there. um gb news political correspondent katherine forster jones. political correspondent katherine forsterjones. so that's kevin maguire snorting, as i said, fallacious arguments because he makes lots of fallacious. the house of commons. catherine, this is quite embarrassing story for quite an embarrassing story for him, isn't it? >> it's not a good look, is it, for the man who is in estonia trying look, trying to trying to look, trying to present himself as as our next prime minister in a years time? will he be sitting in downing street? we don't know, but certainly his back ground. often people criticise . these people criticise. these politicians who have only lived in the world of politics and say we need people that have had real life experience. keir starmer has that in spades , starmer has had that in spades, but some of it is coming back to bite him, isn't it? because as a human rights lawyer, he was one of many, not just him. and to defend this notorious hate preacher, abu qatada , the preacher, abu qatada, the government basically spent ten years fighting to get him

deported back to jordan. the total legal bill was estimated at £1] total legal bill was estimated at £1.7 million. theresa may finally succeeded in 2013, but back in 2008, keir starmer represented him at a hearing and of course, that doesn't put him in this instance on the right side of history. most many people, particularly with the judge demolishing his legal arguments that he made his fallacious . yes, some criticism . fallacious. yes, some criticism. um, apparently there was secret material relating to the case. he wanted that to be made public. that was one of it. another one was regarding his right to benefits . so, yes. and right to benefits. so, yes. and i do think that goes into the election campaign next year. i expect it will get very, very dirty indeed. yeah on both sides. and this lefty lawyer, we've heard it over and over again. lefty lawyers blocking rwanda . yeah. look what the rwanda. yeah. look what the lefty lawyers are doing . the lefty lawyers are doing. the fact that he was a human rights lawyer. i suspect the

conservatives are going to wheel that out. does this not that out. but does this not underline how desperate the tories are bringing this up? >> we're going back , what, 15 >> we're going back, what, 15 years? that was sir keir starmer's job. a lawyer's job is to represent people that you might not. you know, you might not think of done the right thing kevin mcgowan, because he's spluttering and muttering in the corner here. >> he's a barrister, kevin. he didn't have to take that case. look, he could have chosen not to look. he could have said, this is an infamous man who needs to be deported pretty damn quick. and was labour quick. and if he was labour prime been prime minister, he'd have been trying to deport argument murderers wouldn't have representation. >> would brianna's >> you would have brianna's killers. , killers. are you saying, uh, they're lawyers? boy and the they're lawyers? the boy and the girl's i'm saying girl's lawyers. i'm saying bloodthirsty monsters. >> with a political . >> somebody with a political. and he had a have a right to representation. of course they do. but nevertheless, it doesn't mean adopt case. no, mean you adopt the case. no, no, but nevertheless , yes, he was. but nevertheless, yes, he was. he was representing a man who called for a fatwa against jews and their children in this country. >> he has a right to

representation. >> called for the >> and he called for the for people, for muslims kill the people, for muslims to kill the wives of egyptian soldiers and their children and starmer their children and keir starmer wanted this country. >> good luck the modern >> good luck to the modern contemporary conservative party if it tries to . uh, well, this if it tries to. uh, well, this is the daily telegraph tries to investigate it tries to paint a former director of prosecutions. he was knighted by the conservatives in 2014 as a threat to public safety and national security. good look after they knighted him. now we know this dossier has been in the possession of the conservative party from early 2020. they they compiled a dirty dossier and a cabinet minister at the time, you may not remember it. you and i were walking in westminster near westminster abbey, and a cabinet minister got out of a car and said, we've got this dossier we're use it against we're going to use it against starmer. which one was it? >> tell me later. >> tell me later. >> yeah, i'll tell you later. >> yeah, i'll tell you later. >> there's also, i don't know whether it's a toad on his head subsequently. >> anyway, can't who >> anyway, i can't reveal who it is. but said this and of

is. but he said this and of course covid came along. they couldn't it's too late. couldn't use it. it's too late. it's to work. and it's not going to work. no. and it shouldn't work. but i'm all. i'm for , all uh, examining the i'm for, all uh, examining the past of leaders who past of political leaders who want the country. want to lead the country. >> did you know, kevin, that keir starmer also apparently used fight for the used the echr to fight for the life of a dog that was going to be. this is the suggestion, dino. the dog was due to be destroyed . what happened to destroyed. what happened to de—man? and he fought for his life through the echr . life through the echr. >> is that what the echr is for? to protect threatened canines ? to protect threatened canines? oh my god. well, i think, i think how much did that cost the taxpayer ? taxpayer? >> how much did that cost the taxpayer? people how people taxpayer? people how if people have was dog owned by a have was a dog owned by a terrorist, it. >> no, it was not. it was >> no, no, it was not. it was a very young dog at the time that got that bit. another dog got into that bit. another dog anyway. got anyway. yeah. keir starmer got involved and helped save this anyway. yeah. keir starmer got involvlife.nd helped save this dog's life. >> but andrew, he was a lawyer a bit like being actor, you bit like being an actor, you know, actor . play parts. i know, an actor. play parts. i have a daughter played in have a daughter who played in vera a killer, but she's not a murderer. she played a tory in one.

>> you must have been . how did >> you must have been. how did you get a wink of sleep? >> she's not a conservative. >> she's not a conservative. >> how did you get a wink of sleep? >> she's an actor, right? that's right. >> so, listen, he's not a bad actor either. >> sir keir starmer has just been speaking. he's been thanking our british troops. uh, take a look at this. look at what he had to say. listen to it and see if you think this is a prime minister waiting. i'm prime minister in waiting. i'm here to say thank you to our troops here in estonia. >> who are based on the border, pretty much with russia for the work they're doing, keeping us safe, the work they're doing for nato, but also to reaffirm our unshakeable commitment for nato and our unshakeable commitment to ukraine, and to remind and everybody that russia is a constant threat , not just now, constant threat, not just now, but into the future . but into the future. >> do they have those flat jackets in store in whitehall for politicians who try to look action man, because they all do

it, don't they? cameron osborne they're all and even the tank . they're all and even the tank. mrs. thatcher drove a tank keir starmer appeared to have a tank barrel peering out of his head. i know somebody's got a great look that somebody will be shot for the way was not great >> uh, the way was not a great look, but it is. he is conveying the nation's security. a safe in my hands. and i am not jeremy corbyn. he's doing. corbyn. that's what he's doing. you never imagine jeremy you could never imagine jeremy corbyn on a jacket like corbyn putting on a jacket like that, you know? you know, had his tracksuit on something. his tracksuit on or something. >> yeah. his shell suit. >> yeah. his shell suit. >> yeah. his shell suit. >> yeah. and he can go to >> yeah. and he can go off to his so it's his allotment. and so it's right. quite important right. it's quite important because odds are this time because the odds are this time next year he will be the prime minister. >> and kevin, if you turn the clock back a year to where we are now, would you have thought labour would be far ahead in labour would be so far ahead in the polls? >> no, no certainly not. uh, but i i never thought the i never i never thought the conservatives could be as bad as they past year. they have been in the past year. yeah. have told me that yeah. if you'd have told me that the conservatives were going to put of taxation the conservatives were going to put and of taxation the conservatives were going to put and that's of taxation the conservatives were going to put and that's quite taxation the conservatives were going to put and that's quite interesting on. and that's quite interesting . you sure or rishi . you are you sure or rishi sunak be as accident .

sunak could be as accident. prone at best as he is or he would set himself fire five goals at the beginning of the yean goals at the beginning of the year, and he only hits one. >> yeah. can anybody remember keir starmers five mission statements? >> well, i was just about to say that. what are his mission statements? kevin >> kevin, rattle them off. >> kevin, rattle them off. >> was the idea. you >> that was the idea. you weren't supposed to mention, uh, because so vague and boring. >> you were like him. like, only like him. >> right? was on the >> right? there was on the economy, the one the high sustained g7 on a sustained growth in the g7 on a doorstep. does that really doorstep. what does that really mean? expanding opportunities, doorstep. what does that really mean? exjtheiing opportunities, doorstep. what does that really mean? exjthe health )ortunities, doorstep. what does that really mean? exjthe health service es, doorstep. what does that really mean? exjthe health service , s, improving the health service, uh, and cutting crime . um, and i uh, and cutting crime. um, and i think there was another on the economy too, which i can't remember. but sunak you could admire him for honesty . but admire him for his honesty. but if you're going to set yourself goals, you've got to hit them and cant goals, you've got to hit them and can't be quite as specific. >> and he was told by a lot of people i know for a fact pip in the cabinet do not commit to stopping boats because it's stopping the boats because it's going problematic. going to be problematic. >> did he? he >> so why did he? because he didn't that advice, didn't go against that advice, because listen he because he didn't listen and he thought arrogance thought a certain arrogance about him. >> uh, there's a bit of that.

and he's also very touchy. increasingly and he's in increasingly touchy. and he's in sometimes they get in the bunker very quickly, and only very quickly, and they only listen certain listen to certain people. >> was desperate at the time, >> it was desperate at the time, and so he wanted to give himself at beginning of the year, at the beginning of the year, give himself a purpose. the problem got the end of problem is he's got the end of the and he's even more the year and he's even more desperate, and he's lacking a purpose. yeah >> um, catherine, he's we've got an interview, i think with an interview, i think later with keir haven't we? >> um, yeah . i believe we've got >> um, yeah. i believe we've got an exclusive down coming a an exclusive sit down coming a bit yeah. um so yeah. but bit later. yeah. um so yeah. but looking he hopes like the prime minister in waiting because it's the sort thing the prime the sort of thing that the prime minister do. or you know, minister would do. or you know, the president go see the american president go see the american president go see the troops at christmas rally. the troops . and this is what the troops. and this is what he's trying to portray. i mean, yes , of course he's thanking yes, of course he's thanking them. but it's much more as well about sending a message, isn't it, back home and to it, to people back home and to the world. and of course, the west. there are some real wobbles now about support for ukraine in europe also, very notably in america. donald notably in america. if donald trump knows what trump gets in, who knows what happens. so he's saying under

laboun happens. so he's saying under labour, we've got your back. >> can we just ask you, tony blair is talking to netanyahu, the israeli prime minister, trying to bring peace. this a trying to bring peace. this is a man started the war in iraq, man who started the war in iraq, which caused caused, in my which caused has caused, in my view, most of the turmoil we've had east ever had in the middle east ever since. was also the middle since. he was also the middle east for best part east peace envoy for best part of years, achieved nothing. of 12 years, achieved nothing. so what's going do? the so what's he going to do? the great with netanyahu. great warmonger with netanyahu. warmonger meets warmonger. >> probably >> yeah, well, it can probably it probably see eye to eye, it can probably see eye to eye, you know, because 2003, iraq was cataclysmic, a huge, huge error by blair. the by by tony blair. the consequences, you write, you consequences, as you write, you see, still felt, but see, are still being felt, but in you get hawk hawk in a way, you get hawk and hawk to hawk and they can they can talk. and he was the middle east peace envoy. i think achieved peace envoy. i think he achieved nothing. there's peace envoy. i think he achieved nottw0|. there's peace envoy. i think he achieved nottwo state there's peace envoy. i think he achieved nottwo state solution there's peace envoy. i think he achieved nottwo state solution . there's peace envoy. i think he achieved nottwo state solution . and'e's peace envoy. i think he achieved nottwo state solution . and you peace envoy. i think he achieved nottvwheree solution . and you peace envoy. i think he achieved nottvwhere we)lution . and you peace envoy. i think he achieved nottvwhere we are on . and you peace envoy. i think he achieved nottvwhere we are now and you peace envoy. i think he achieved nottvwhere we are nowand jhamas look where we are now with hamas being barbarous on october the 7th and is really force has been barbarous now with what the hamas health authority saying 20,000 people killed, now they name them , kevin, name them. name them, kevin, name them. >> thank you . we have we have to >> thank you. we have we have to go back. come back. we've got

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for bev turner. >> time to name the killers a judge will today decide whether or not to name the teenage murderers who brutally killed briahna joy . briahna joy. >> lockerbie . 35 years on, today >> lockerbie. 35 years on, today marks the anniversary of the deadliest terror attack in british history. our home and security editor, mark white, is reflecting . 270 people died when reflecting. 270 people died when pan am flight 103 was blown out of the sky over lockerbie. >> i've been back to the scottish town for the first time since 1988, when i first reported on that tragedy as a young reporter. and the eu is getting tough on immigration controls, making it easier to deport failed asylum seekers. >> amnesty have warned this will lead to a surge in suffering. of course they have, nigel farage will give his thoughts coming up i >> -- >> sir tony blair is to meet the

israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. the uk government has given its blessing for the unofficial talks to take place . unofficial talks to take place. another former prime minister's visit as lord david cameron is doing the same. well, i'm of course we've got the exclusive interview later. >> later, not in our show, but later in the day. exclusive gb news interview with the labour leader keir starmer, who's out in meeting the british in estonia meeting the british troops. he's out there to burnish his credentials an burnish his credentials as an international statesman, complete with the obligatory flak you think ? we've >> what do you think? we've already a clip him already had a clip of him talking this does he talking this morning. does he look a prime minister in look like a prime minister in waiting? do let us know your thoughts on that and everything we're talking about this morning. vaiews@gbnews.com. we look forward to hearing from you. let's get your latest headunes you. let's get your latest headlines now with tatiana .

headlines now with tatiana. >> pip. thank you. 10:02. this is the latest from the gp newsroom today marks 35 years on from the lockerbie bombing that killed over 250 people. when the boeing 747 exploded over the scottish town of lockerbie. it killed all 259 passengers and crew on board and 11 people on the ground . and the bombing, the ground. and the bombing, which took place on 21st december 1988. as the plane made its way from london to new york, remains the uk's worst ever terrorist attack. former head of counter terrorism at the ministry of defence, major chip chapman, told gb news accountability is extremely important . and it is mass important. and it is mass criminal murder and mass criminal murder and mass criminal murder and mass criminal murder means that, uh, you know, people still need to be held to account if they think there are people out there who still did these things. >> but you need evidence to prosecute. now, megrahi was prosecuted. the key question if

you're in the counter—terrorist field this happen again field is could this happen again ? because most the mass ? because most of the mass criminal murder through aviation incidents occurred in the 70s and 80s, and now it is very difficult to do that because of airport security being better . airport security being better. >> the labour leader's meeting british troops at a nato base on the border with russia, sir keir starmer is there to show his commitment to nato. he'll think the servicemen and women, for their courage, integrity , their courage, integrity, loyalty professionalism and loyalty and professionalism and wish them a happy christmas. sir keir will also use his visit to warn the west must not lose sight of moscow's threat to europe . i'm here to say thank europe. i'm here to say thank you to our . europe. i'm here to say thank you to our. troops here in estonia who are based on the border pretty much with russia for the work they're doing, keeping us safe, the work they're doing for nato, but also to reaffirm our unshakeable commitment for nato and our unshakeable commitment to ukraine, and to remind everybody

that russia is a constant threat , not just now, but into the future . defence secretary at the future. defence secretary at the evening standard , robert fox, evening standard, robert fox, told gb news. the labour party is just there playing catch up . is just there playing catch up. >> you look at the commitment of british forces and troops. look at that. they're that, they're that they're all over the world. labour and i think indeed the conservatives are preparing for after the election, there will be a major national security strategy overhaul and view pro—palestine demonstrators and nhs workers blockaded the us tech giant palantir's office in london, accusing it of being complicit with war crimes. >> the nhs data platform was awarded a contract worth £330 million earlier this year to provide the new shared software system it aims to make it easier for health and care organisations to work together and provide better services to

patients . but there are concerns patients. but there are concerns about how patient data will be used and questions over palantir's involvement with the israeli government aren't . rail israeli government aren't. rail passengers in scotland are being strongly urged not to travel to and from edinburgh today, as storm pier is set to cause major disruption . the service has disruption. the service has asked customers to delay their journeys in and out of the scottish capital until after 3:00 this afternoon , as part of 3:00 this afternoon, as part of the uk, as parts of the uk brace for high winds. the uk, as parts of the uk brace for high winds . a yellow weather for high winds. a yellow weather warning for wind came into effect at midnight last night and will last until 9:00 this evening, with forecasted gusts of to 70 or 80mph in of wind up to 70 or 80mph in northern scotland. the warning also covers belfast, newcastle and . manchester. and british and. manchester. and british sign language will be taught as a gcse in england from september 2025. the department of education says it will give students an understanding of the history of sign language in the uk. education secretary gillian keegan says it can open the door for so many young people. it's

understood the development of the gcse was delayed due to the covid pandemic. this the gcse was delayed due to the covid pandemic . this is gb news covid pandemic. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to andrew and . pip. >> tatiana, thanks so much and thank you to you. who's your sending lots of your emails in and let's read out a few of them. michelle good morning . them. michelle good morning. we've are getting a lot of messages about what this, uh , messages about what this, uh, awful, awful murder of brianna, jaime, her killers have not been named because they are teenagers , but a judge is deciding today whether they will be identified. and michelle says if you've killed someone, you should be named regardless of age. >> but ross takes a different view. they shouldn't be named. they're 16. they're kids. so was the person they murdered . and the person they murdered. and they and they murdered her

brutally 28 times. >> she was stabbed with a hunting knife. >> and it was planned meticulously, with notes everywhere, shocking evil . everywhere, shocking evil. they're evil. and evil should be exposed, i'm afraid. >> and we were also talking about former prime minister sir tony blair, who is, well, getting involved in the israel hamas conflict by talking today to benjamin netanyahu . and he is to benjamin netanyahu. and he is a former middle east envoy. he does still have offices in israel and can i say achieved absolutely nothing as middle east peace envoy apart from run up east peace envoy apart from run up huge expenses. >> and i was in jerusalem once when i saw his , uh, convoy of when i saw his, uh, convoy of cars going past. i thought the president of the united states was here because it was such a large retinue, about eight. it was unbelievable. and what did he achieve? nothing. and he started the war, which has started the iraq war, which has caused of the chaos. caused all of the chaos. >> has known netanyahu, >> he has known netanyahu, though , for long time. and though, for a long time. and every effort some would say, is needed to , uh, to stop this, you

needed to, uh, to stop this, you know, all the deaths on all sides. yeah if he can make a difference, maybe it is just worth it. anyway, this is from dawn. who says, well, something completely different. why is tony blair putting his nose in, spending more of taxpayers money? no doubt. >> no doubt about that. now, sir keir starmer helped the hate preacher abu qatada fight his deportation in court back in 2008, while representing the islamist extremist , an islamist extremist, an immigration judge called the labour leader's arguments fallacious as well. let's talk now to our gb news presenter nigel farage. morning, nigel. very good to see you. how are you? >> very well indeed. >> very well indeed. >> thank you. yes. good back from the jungle bin . >> thank you. yes. good back from the jungle bin. um. >> thank you. yes. good back from the jungle bin . um. give it from the jungle bin. um. give it up. alcohol. it's it's a whole new me. >> i've got nigel, let me just just let me just rewind. you've given up alcohol. well, you're having a laugh . having a laugh. >> if i did what? i was in the jungle. >> but you're back on it now. you've made up for it since all service has been resumed . glad

service has been resumed. glad to hear it. glad to hear it. now um, let's. what about the abu qatada? is this desperate tactics from the tories raising this stuff ? nigel, when he was this stuff? nigel, when he was a lawyer ? barristers have to take lawyer? barristers have to take some unpalatable cases. but but but qatada was a pretty disgusting creature . um, urging disgusting creature. um, urging a fatwah against jewish jewish people and jewish children in this country . this country. >> the most important point here is it took us ten years. can you believe it? ten years to deport abu qatada? and why ? well, it abu qatada? and why? well, it wasn't just because of sir keir starmer , was it? it was because starmer, was it? it was because we'd signed up in 1998 to be part of the european convention on human rights so the conservative party can criticise sir keir. but this is the same conservative party that want to keep us as a part of the echr. and that's why, of course , you and that's why, of course, you know, their policy of deporting people to rwanda and everywhere else is happening. so it's just petty point scoring .

petty point scoring. politically. the truth is, at the next election, when it comes to echr, when it comes to the primacy of uk courts, being able to deport undesirables or illegals, it doesn't matter who you vote for, nothing is going to change. >> some are saying that this just smacks on, smacks of desperation on the part of the tory party you've had time now to catch up on everything that's going on whilst you've been away, and, um, well, it's all a bit of a mess, isn't it? where are you going to be in the new year ? are you heading back into year? are you heading back into the political arena, nigel? where you so like to be? >> well, you know, the big picture, of course, is that there is actually very little choice at the next election. we've got two forms of social democracy . two parties that democracy. two parties that whatever they say to the electorate, support mass immigration, support the state getting bigger with every month that passes, support high taxation, offer nothing to 6

million men and women running their own businesses. there are very, very few choices and i think we do deserve choices because i feel the country is in decline in as to how you know, i best influence that and try and change public opinion. well i have to say, i think gb news is becoming now a very , very becoming now a very, very powerful agent for change in political debate. and i very much enjoy my work there. whether i go back involved in frontline politics before the election, after the election, i honestly and truthfully haven't yet decided how i can. >> you know, this idea. i mean, you did say never say never when you did say never say never when you were still in australia . you were still in australia. this idea that's still being talked about amongst some tories. talked to some very tories. i talked to some very senior only other senior tories only the other day. nigel saying the dream day. nigel was saying the dream is elbow rishi aside and is they elbow rishi aside and that there is a dream ticket of nigel farage and boris johnson and i said but i don't think they agree on very much. but nevertheless they thought two men who are proven vote winners .

men who are proven vote winners. >> well, i suppose what they see, i mean, the similarity with bofis see, i mean, the similarity with boris johnson and myself is that we're not vanilla. you know, we're not vanilla. you know, we're not vanilla. you know, we're not bland, we're not dull . we're not bland, we're not dull. um, and that's where the similarities end , though, isn't similarities end, though, isn't it? because politically, you know, his fanatical commitment to net zero, despite the horrific cost of it to manufacturing businesses to ordinary household holds, i find that very difficult. and frankly, even though boris johnson won an election in 2019 on the get brexit done ticket, something that i helped him with, he didn't as prime minister actually show that he really believed in it. we didn't diverge from the eu at all. um, and so it's really difficult on the big politics to see how bofis the big politics to see how boris and i could put up a unhed boris and i could put up a united front. so yep , you're united front. so yep, you're right, andrew, i've had lots of tories saying, wouldn't it be marvellous? uh, but i think in policy terms quite a lot would have have you had any have to change. have you had any direct contact with boris johnson ? i spoke to him. i spoke

johnson? i spoke to him. i spoke to him. i went, oh, 2 or 3 months ago, i spoke to him. um, and that was actually about the de—banking issue. >> have you had a christmas card from him, nigel? >> i have not as yet had a christmas card from him or even a thank you for standing for standing aside. 320 candidates in 2019. do you regret that? >> now ? >> now? >> now? >> i regret brexit has not been implemented. andrew, the way that i wanted it to be. but if i had stood against him and gone round the country and said the dealis round the country and said the deal is rubbish, the danger was the lib dems would win 50, 60, 70 seats. we'd finish up with them propping up a jeremy corbyn government at a second referendum. and, you know, the can corbyn had can you imagine if corbyn had been minister given the been prime minister given the events in israel and gaza over the course of the last couple of months? it would have been absolutely dreadful. i'm a what i thought was the right decision at time. still it at the time. i still believe it was. i just wish it had worked out rather better. was. i just wish it had worked out yower better. was. i just wish it had worked out you just etter. was. i just wish it had worked out you just mentioned was. i just wish it had worked outyou just mentioned israel, >> you just mentioned israel, gaza there and we've been

talking about sir tony blair is in israel to meet benjamin netanyahu . what do you make of netanyahu. what do you make of that ? what what pressure do you that? what what pressure do you think he can he can bring to bear on the situation . bear on the situation. >> well, absolutely none. i don't see what credibility tony blair has in the far east at all. you know, we know we know that the iraq war for, uh, you know, was, was, was, was, was, was pushed through parliament by blair, the country on blair, sold to the country on something that we subsequently learned a lie. and we learned to be a lie. and we don't mind our prime ministers risking the lives of british soldiers. we don't mind our prime minister to war. but prime minister going to war. but tell us the truth. don't lie to us. if he told us we're doing it to get rid of saddam, and we've noidea to get rid of saddam, and we've no idea what comes next. but we wouldn't have liked it. but at least we'd have known the truth. and he then, of course, got this role as a peace envoy the role as a peace envoy in the middle which was middle east, which was an absolute cost absolute farce. it cost taxpayers across the west quite a lot of money to sponsor. he achieved nothing . so no, i don't achieved nothing. so no, i don't see i mean, apart from the fact

that tony blair knows netanyahu, icannot that tony blair knows netanyahu, i cannot see what he adds to this at all. >> but he's known him a long time. so that could. be that could be, you know, a big point in his favour here. not everybody can say they've known him. 15 years. >> netanyahu was a veteran politician, a lot of people from america, from britain and elsewhere know netanyahu have worked with netanyahu. the same appues worked with netanyahu. the same applies to quite a few commercial companies. i just don't see that the name tony blair linked with solutions in the middle east, can ever, ever work. >> i completely agree , nigel, >> i completely agree, nigel, great to talk to you. you have a very nice christmas and we'll see you soon. that's nigel farage, of course, gb news very own daily telegraph columnist and sketchwriter madeline grant's um, what do you grant's here. um, what do you make of the blair's poking make of the fact blair's poking his nose in it, which is, frankly, what he's doing? >> well, um, and the war is a stain on his reputation , and stain on his reputation, and it's middle east has it's in the middle east has never recovered. >> i just think that it's, you know, he is someone who lacks

mass credibility when it comes to the issue of foreign policy. >> and very hard to see how >> and it's very hard to see how how you get past that. i mean, yes, he is well connected and sort something of fixer. sort of something of a, a fixer. but side of that is but the flip side of that is there also you know, there has also been, you know, since he stepped down as, as prime minister in was it 22, 27 two. yeah. 207 he, you know , he two. yeah. 207 he, you know, he spent years doing a fair bit of what you would call carpet bagging , what you would call carpet bagging, making a lot of money, advising some pretty dodgy regimes . um, advising some pretty dodgy regimes. um, and i think, you know, it's very clear that ever since departing frontline politics, you know, he has a thirst for power and wants to be back in the back in the hot seat again. >> well, he's advising keir starmer precisely. he's on the phone to him a lot. >> bought a new mansion near chequers. so i hear and he's receives has kind of red receives a he has a kind of red briefcase with briefings every morning still morning as if he were still prime minister >> they let go. >> they can never let go. >> they can never let go. >> they can't. >> no, they can't. >> no, they can't. >> some would say, >> some people would say, though, look, look what he did in helping to negotiate the good friday agreement. that 1998. in helping to negotiate the good

frida was reement. that 1998. in helping to negotiate the good fridawas an ment. that 1998. in helping to negotiate the good fridawas an achievement. 1998. in helping to negotiate the good fridawas an achievement. yes,)8. in helping to negotiate the good fridawas an achievement. yes, it. that was an achievement. yes, it was so he has some was so he has got some negotiating power. >> he was greatly helped by the charisma and star power of bill clinton, the president of the united here lot. >> yes . i lot. >> yes. i mean, perhaps i don't i don't know enough about the relationship between blair and netanyahu. you do netanyahu. you're right. you do want know, if want to have, you know, if they're experienced people who want to serve and to help, want to serve and want to help, then that's a thing. to then that's a good thing. but to many legacy will many people, blair's legacy will will and will feel will be tainted and will feel that perhaps . that perhaps. >> and can he say to >> and how can he say to netanyahu , stop your warfare netanyahu, stop your warfare against when he waged war against hamas when he waged war on iraq and the people of iraq? hundreds of thousands of innocent people died in iraq on a war which has nigel farage says he sold to the public on a lie. >> yes. and have we had much soul searching about the legitimacy of that war, and whether it was the right decision to make? i'm not sure that we have. people like alastair campbell will still sometimes downplay their role in it , say that they were acting on it, say that they were acting on what they knew at the time, even though at the time it caused this enormous crisis of

credibility in and trust in politics. that i think is partly explains of um, the, explains some of the, um, the, the febrile nature of the discourse that we have today is owing to blair and campbell and what how they changed politics. yes. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> we want to talk to you as well about keir starmer, because he's raised today. he's out in estonia seeing the british troops. interesting. troops. very interesting. he says are for says there are grounds for looking at changing the law on assisted now this all was assisted dying. now this all was kicked off by, as you know, esther rantzen. got esther rantzen. she's got a stage lung cancer. she's stage four lung cancer. she's registered dignitas, which registered for dignitas, which is harrowing and heartbreaking for and he is saying, uh, for her. and he is saying, uh, he appears to be agreeing with esther rantzen , calling for a esther rantzen, calling for a free vote on this issue in parliament. >> he says it seems appropriate , >> he says it seems appropriate, but i do personally think there's ground for grounds for changing the law . so it would changing the law. so it would have to be a free vote on the issue. we have to be very careful where there are such divided and strong views. >> yeah, i mean, i felt like this was coming actually for a while. um, when i was at the

labour conference, um, earlier this year, i noticed that there were multiple stands and stalls at conference were at the conference that were supporting in the law supporting a change in the law on dying . i mean, it supporting a change in the law on dying. i mean, it is on assisted dying. i mean, it is very difficult. i think we need to very, very carefully. i to tread very, very carefully. i worry that there are heartbreaking , harrowing cases heartbreaking, harrowing cases like dame esther's , where there like dame esther's, where there are people who genuinely are in full control of their capacities and they know exactly what they want, and they're in there facing agonising pain in their final weeks and months . but on final weeks and months. but on the flip side, there are also , i the flip side, there are also, i think, a great deal of unintended consequence that might come out as a result of this. and you only have to look at some of the countries where it has already been legalised, particularly canada, which has turned a kind of turned into, i think, a kind of mental life mental illness, a life destroying dystopia where, um, mental illness, a life destknow, dystopia where, um, mental illness, a life destknow, iiystopia where, um, mental illness, a life destknow, i thinkia where, um, mental illness, a life destknow, i think almostz, um, mental illness, a life destknow, i think almost 5%m, mental illness, a life destknow, i think almost 5% of you know, i think almost 5% of all deaths now are happening with what they call made, which is medically assisted dying . um, is medically assisted dying. um, and it started with people who genuinely were in terrible pain at the end of their lives. and

it quickly spiralled to people who are simply unhappy, people who are simply unhappy, people who get housing, people who can't get housing, people who can't get housing, people who can't get housing, people who can't secure benefits. the state is telling them that actually, maybe you should consider assisted consider medically assisted dying. worry, dying. and i really worry, actually, britain be actually, that britain would be uniquely badly positioned to this because we already have a health service that we worship, and we have an economy in which and we have an economy in which a lot of people's finance is are tied up in their assets and so i think a lot of older people might feel under pressure because they're, you know, their kids want get their kids want to maybe get their hands house and i know hands on the house and i know that really but, you that sounds really bad, but, you know, does exist in the know, evil does exist in the world. you know, people do behave. >> and some of those older people aren't articulate like esther rantzen. don't have esther rantzen. they don't have the public opinion pool the sort of public opinion pool that and they may be that she's got. and they may be living alone and thinking, my kids want of me. kids really want shot of me. really? um , i'm a really? because, um, i'm a burden and i'm not well. and i'm never going to get better. so they sign up for assisted they then sign up for assisted dying. mean it's difficult dying. i mean, it's so difficult morally. dying. i mean, it's so difficult morafind it really hard because >> i find it really hard because it's powerful it's such, such powerful arguments sides because arguments on both sides because at you can serve at the moment you can serve a

prison sentence, can't you? >> 14 years, which i find that astonishing . astonishing. >> yes. >> yes. >> when you're when you're reasoning and even if the authorities of love say that's not going to happen, but so many people who have accompanied a relative or a loved a friend to dignitas, they are interviewed by the police when they get back. >> and it's a very harrowing process. of course, it was harrowing taking the or harrowing taking the friend or loved in the first place. >> yes, what i'm interested in is there something that sits in between canada and this? you're talking there some talking about? is there some kind reasonable compromise kind of reasonable compromise position found ? i'd, position that can be found? i'd, uh, i think we need to be very, very sure that there are serious, serious safeguards that it's not going to go the slippery slope is not to slippery slope is not going to kick in. trouble is, the kick in. the trouble is, the slippery slope always kicks in. in politics, always in politics, it almost always does. so many examples does. there's so many examples of the last few years that you could so you know, could point to. so you know, it is complex, complex. but is very complex, complex. but the overwhelmingly is very complex, complex. but the changingelmingly is very complex, complex. but the changingelmiilaw on supports changing the law on assisted perhaps keir assisted dying. so perhaps keir starmer what starmer is tapping into what he knows is a growing public sentiment. >> and we should have a proper

debate about it. >> we should. yeah absolutely. >> we should. yeah absolutely. >> telegraph >> martin and grant telegraph columnist, you so much for columnist, thank you so much for talking to us. still to come, we're going to be asking if the england women's goalkeeper, mary earps, was the rightful winner of the sports personality of the yean of the sports personality of the year, or has she been reward awarded for failure? this is a debate that is not going away and we know exactly what he thinks about it. this is britain's newsroom on gb news is i >> -- >> hello. thank you for being a big part of gb news. we'd like to wish you and your loved ones a christmas season full of comfort and joy, as well as a peaceful and prosperous new yeah >> from our family to yours, we are proud to be your channel. >> merry christmas, happy christmas , merry christmas, christmas, merry christmas, happy christmas, merry christmas , merry christmas, merry christmas here on gb news the

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surrounding the destruction of the jumbo jet was too well hidden . hidden. >> our homeland security editor, mark white has returned to the scottish town , where he spent scottish town, where he spent his first year as a radio reporter , covering the aftermath reporter, covering the aftermath of the disaster. mark brings you this report

i >> -- >> it's many years since i last set foot in lockerbie, a town only 25 miles as the crow flies from my own hometown and the place i was sent to in december of 1988 on my first major assignment as a reporter, i spent most of the next year in and around lockerbie reporting on the fallout from the terrible disaster. here. it would be easy now to just concentrate on the enormity of that event of sherwood crescent , where the sherwood crescent, where the jet's fuel laden wings crashed to the ground , leaving a massive to the ground, leaving a massive crater , or rosebank, where part crater, or rosebank, where part of the main passenger cabin landed among the terraces. many passengers still strapped to

their seats instead , i want to their seats instead, i want to tell you about two young people, two victims, but two incredible individuals whose stories touched me back then and still live with me today. nick varenius was just 20 back in 1988. a young man full of energy and charisma who lit up any room his mother still bursts with pride as she remembers those qualities . qualities. >> he was shorter than anyone but mighty and so everybody enjoyed being around him. he took chances as he was the first one off to dive off the cliff. he was an adventurer for a photography student at new york's syracuse university. >> nick travelled regularly , >> nick travelled regularly, capturing beautiful images . this capturing beautiful images. this one photograph in particular, a self—portrait on the summit of a mountain above the cloud base, taken just days before his death, is so incredibly powerful

, and the story of how it came back into the possession of his family is spine tingling. >> they gathered all of the clothes and objects . everything clothes and objects. everything was black, everything was grey, uh, filled with smoke or burnt or everything . or everything. >> the power of the explosion blew passenger belongings, including nick's photographs, out into the night sky, fluttering on the breeze until coming to rest in a farmer's field in northumbria. on the opposite side of the country . opposite side of the country. later, as elizabeth sifted through victims belongings , through victims belongings, suddenly she caught sight of nick's photo , that picture being nick's photo, that picture being perfect was , to me, the miracle perfect was, to me, the miracle and the fact that it was found that far away. >> um , it made all of us gasped >> um, it made all of us gasped when we saw that at. and we started to cry because even see,

even now, 35 years later, it was as if nick was saying, i'm all right. i'm supposed to be . here. right. i'm supposed to be. here. >> at just 19, helga mosey was already a regular violinist for the birmingham youth orchestra and a highly talented professional singer. >> she played the violin and the piano, but she's singing was her great love. and she sang with the birmingham bach choir. she wanted a career in singing serious music. the professor, who had interviewed her in lancaster, said that he had little doubt that she would have made her mark on the music world a libyan miners about to stand trial accused of constructing the lockerbie bomb. >> but john mosey and many others already questioned the guilt of the only other person convicted of the bombing, abdel basset al—megrahi. always protested his innocence. john is doubtful the families will ever see justice. >> there's obviously something somewhere very dark and dirty

that the american government is terrified side of their people finding out about. we've never wanted revenge, but we do want the law to take its course . the law to take its course. >> it's incredibly emotional to see the names of nick and helga etched on this memorial stone. after all these years, 35 years, which for the rest of us have been packed with life experiences , who knows what they experiences, who knows what they could have achieved . but from could have achieved. but from everything i'm told, they would have lived amazing lives as. >> i can remember covering that. i was working for the times then working in parliament and some of those houses just completely disintegrated . it was it was disintegrated. it was it was like hell dropped from, from from the skies . and the next day from the skies. and the next day i remember mrs. thatcher was up

there with a very young, dashing naval sailor called prince andrew. uh, he was to talking she was getting the giving political reaction . he was there political reaction. he was there commiserating with the families. it was an extraordinary and of course, the american media is a massive story . the president of massive story. the president of the united states was involved . the united states was involved. and who'd have thought 35 years later, we still don't know who and who'd have thought 35 years lateit.ne still don't know who and who'd have thought 35 years lateit. it'still don't know who and who'd have thought 35 years lateit. it's outrageous. ow who did it. it's outrageous. >> i mean, i have to say, i saw it through the lens as a as a child. yeah. but i still remember being so excited by christmas. and then this huge story breaking . thing and not story breaking. thing and not being able to take my eyes off the television. i could not believe that a plane. yeah, had been bombed and come down on people's homes like that. and there was a gentleman who still, like so many families involved, fights for justice to this day, 87 year old doctor jim swire. >> i remember him, i've interviewed him at and still searching for the truth. >> i mean, they are relentless in their pursuit for justice. his daughter flora was one of

the victims, wasn't he ? the victims, wasn't he? >> or a gp? that's right. the victims, wasn't he? >> or a gp? that's right . and of >> or a gp? that's right. and of course, christmas for families in lockerbie will never be the same. of course it won't. >> of course it won't. but today we remember 35 years on, let's bnng we remember 35 years on, let's bring you your latest headlines now with tatiana sanchez . now with tatiana sanchez. >> pip, thank you. as you've been hearing, today marks 35 years on from the lockerbie bombing that killed over 250 people. when the boeing 747 exploded over the scottish town of lockerbie, it killed all 259 passengers and crew on board and 11 people on the ground . the 11 people on the ground. the bombing, which took place on the 21st of december, 1988 as the plane made its way from london to new york, remains the uk's worst ever terrorist attack . the worst ever terrorist attack. the labour leader says there's a real and constant threat to europe from russia as he visits british troops in estonia. sir keir starmer has been watching training sessions on a nato base

bordering with russia. he's there to show his commitment to nato and has thanked servicemen and women for their courage, integrity , loyalty and integrity, loyalty and professionalism . sir keir warns professionalism. sir keir warns that the west mustn't lose sight of moscow's threat to europe . of moscow's threat to europe. >> i'm here to say thank you to our troops here in estonia who are based on the border, pretty much with russia for the work they're doing, keeping us safe , they're doing, keeping us safe, they're doing, keeping us safe, the work they're doing for nato, but also to reaffirm our unshakeable commitment for nato and our unshakeable commitment to ukraine and to remind everybody that russia is a constant threat, not just now, but into the future . and british but into the future. and british sign language will be taught as a gcse in england from september 2025. >> the department of education says it will give students an understanding of the history of sign language in the uk, educate

then secretary gillian keegan says it can open the door for so many young people. it's understood the development of the gcse was delayed due to the pandemic . you can get more on pandemic. you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website gbnews.com . our website gbnews.com. for stunning gold and silver coins, you'll always value rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . here's news financial report. here's a quick snapshot of today's markets . the pound will buy you markets. the pound will buy you $1.2629 and markets. the pound will buy you 151.2629 and ,1.1543. markets. the pound will buy you $1.2629 and ,1.1543. the price of gold is £1,612, and £0.11 per ounce, and the ftse 100 is at 7689 points. >> rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . report. >> well , the england's women's

>> well, the england's women's goalkeeper mary earps, has won this year's sports personality of the year award, but not without some controversy in my eyes. anyway the lioness has faced criticism over whether she deserved to win the award as she didn't win a trophy this year. >> england did not win . they did >> england did not win. they did not. the world cup final, they were runners up. were runners up. >> were runners up. >> well, to discuss whether they got it right, we're going to speak now to former england women's goalkeeper sue white. sue. morning to you. very nice to have you on the program. >> yes. good morning. >> yes. good morning. >> good morning . >> good morning. >> good morning. >> um, now you you played back way back in 1973. and i don't think your team, with all respect, was a successful as the lionesses. >> no. nowhere near. >> no. nowhere near. >> but, um, i have to say , we >> but, um, i have to say, we did win for the first couple of years, but obviously we didn't have any money going into it or anything like that. we had no backing. we had to pay for ourselves. yeah, while the ourselves. so yeah, while the european we played european teams we played actually getting some actually were getting some finance. yeah, didn't finance. so yeah, so we didn't do badly. do too badly. >> so england women's football

now has millions of fans. they are seen those players as an inspiration to young girls and women . was mary earps in your women. was mary earps in your eyes a worthy winner ? and if you eyes a worthy winner? and if you believe she was, just explain that when you look at who was also on that shortlist . yeah also on that shortlist. yeah obviously everybody on that shortlist deserved to get that trophy . trophy. >> but when you look at the difference that, um, mary has made, um, to young girls and, and to make she's so strong , and to make she's so strong, she's um, yeah , she's prepared she's um, yeah, she's prepared to speak out. she's prepared to, to speak out. she's prepared to, to go um , to go after what she to go um, to go after what she believes , like the goalkeeper believes, like the goalkeeper shirts. when i went to get my cap from the ea, they didn't give me my goalkeeper shirt. they gave me an outfield player shirt because they couldn't get a goalkeeper shirt for me. how ridiculous was that? yeah that's

that's in reference. >> you're talking about mary speaking out against nike . speaking out against nike. wasn't she over the goalkeeping jersey? fury? >> i tell you what. >> i tell you what. >> so she hasn't sorry on the phone. no she hasn't won a trophy this time . yeah. they won trophy this time. yeah. they won a trophy last year. trophy this time. yeah. they won a trophy last year . they were, a trophy last year. they were, you know, world cup runners up. i mean yes. does that make a difference? we're talking about we're not saying are they winners. we're saying who are the public voting for the public voting for mary earps because of what she's done for young girls ? what she's done for young girls? >> i hear that, sue. and i think and i think she's obviously a great woman and a great player. but beth mead did win but last year, beth mead did win the same competition for winning because they euros. but because they won the euros. but i'll you what, who i would i'll tell you what, who i would have picked, have gone for have picked, i'd have gone for catarina johnson, who won catarina may johnson, who won the world heptathlon championship year , one of championship this year, one of the most difficult sporting endeavours, seven sports and she won it for the second time in four years. and i think there is a proven winner in one of the most difficult, arduous sports, not just a tournament which

lasted a few weeks, which they did brilliantly in. but this was a sustained effort all year round. and i think if ever there was a worthy winner, it was her by a country mile. >> i do you know what i thought i felt very sorry for her. i thought, what she's achieved is absolutely amazing, but at the end of the day , we have to go. end of the day, we have to go. it's voted for by the public. if you want to give her something extra for what she did do, which i think she should get something because she was absolutely amazing . um, yeah, i but at the amazing. um, yeah, i but at the end of the day, it's the public that votes and all those girls out there are voting mum, vote for, vote for mary because she's she's so good. yeah. >> did you vote. did you vote in it? um. um. sue i certainly did. >> and i voted for mary because we were in the dark for so long for all that 50 year ban, for trying to get it done, all the rest of it, i think it's. yeah okay, so we won last year. we

won this year as well. i just shows how far we've come and yes, i feel sorry for those that didn't win it. and um, but no, i still say the worthy winners. >> some people will question mary. sorry not not mary . sue, mary. sorry not not mary. sue, i'm so sorry. we're talking about mary. um, some people will question whether that is the right reason for voting , though, right reason for voting, though, because you're trying to push women's football. should we not have voted because . because of have voted because. because of who would actually won stuff this year ? frankie dettori, for this year? frankie dettori, for example ? well, yes . example? well, yes. >> but as i, as i say, are we saying that every winner in the past was always the best winner ? past was always the best winner? or was it somebody who had actually done things outside sport or moved things on? you know? >> well, i mean, can you imagine a situation where andy murray would have won that trophy for finishing runner up at wimbledon ? >> 7- >> yes, but 7— >> yes, but i 7

>> yes, but i don't think it was all about that. and as i say, if they're going to make it vote, uh, voted by the public, the pubuc uh, voted by the public, the public vote, and that's the end of it. um, you can't then say, well, did she deserve it? did she not? you know, she was on the short list and. yeah. yes you can say she didn't win anything this year, but, uh, at the end of the day, the other thing she's done for sport, i think are sufficient to say yes , think are sufficient to say yes, she deserved that trophy. >> and can i ask you one? just little itsy bitsy question, sue, is, is she the standard? the premier league is apparently the finest football league in the world. is she premier league standard? mary earps? um i have to say , probably not quite . to say, probably not quite. >> not yet. um, you know , but >> not yet. um, you know, but we're again we're we're not comparing like with like, are we. no. you know, how long have men been playing football. how long do they had all that money putin? long do they had all that money put in? how much training have they. only recently had they. they've only recently had training. earps will tell training. mary earps will tell you that she had very little to start off with. not like the

lads there selected at 5 or 6 years old and go through the training system . mary didn't training system. mary didn't know . know. >> i mean, i have to say i've just been i've just been looking at the terms and conditions for, for sports personality of the year the criteria and the panel year, the criteria and the panel selected their shortlist , partly selected their shortlist, partly not only taking into the into account sporting achievements, but also the impact of the person's sporting achievements beyond the sport. in question, which is exactly what you're talking about, isn't it? sue >> yes. >> yes. >> yeah, she has made a massive impact. my middle granddaughter, she absolutely worships mary. mary earps . she couldn't get one mary earps. she couldn't get one of her shirts, which was a terrible shame. and they should make some more of them. um, but yeah, all those girls that i go and see playing there, they absolutely worship that team. and when you meet them, when those little girls meet them, they their way to they go out of their way to inspire them. you have no idea what a massive impact they have.

yeah i do know actually, because , um, my next door neighbour, she's a great little footballer and she's full of stories about how she's met the england players. >> got her shirt signed and it makes her year exactly , exactly. makes her year exactly, exactly. >> my little granddaughter , she >> my little granddaughter, she got, um, she scored her first goal and she , um, got, uh, goal and she, um, got, uh, player of the match. after speaking to leah williams . so speaking to leah williams. so she just inspired her. she was like , on fire. and you just like, on fire. and you just think this is what it's all about? yeah >> all right. that's so lovely to talk to you. that's sue wyatt, who voted for mary earps, who is, of course, sports personality . yeah. thanks for personality. yeah. thanks for joining us. >> a lovely thanks, sue. >> have a lovely thanks, sue. happy christmas. >> former england >> she was former england goalkeeper. different goalkeeper. how different it was then for her. on goalkeeper. how different it was then for her. oh gosh. >> and look at progress >> and look at the progress that has since which is has been made since which is absolutely fantastic. do . stay absolutely fantastic. do. stay with us here on britain's newsroom on gb news. we are going to be joined by carole malone and sam lister, who will be giving their views, i'm sure, on plus plenty more.

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picking up the kind of views and perspectives that i, and people that i knew had dewbs& co weeknights from six. >> 1047 with britain's newsroom on gb news, with andrew pearson pip tomson crashing into the studio as usual, carol maloney broadcast wishing i've actually i'm sick in ill because of you because i this this voice people i got from him and he don't we

don't we know about it. >> you've just been telling him off for the past five minutes. >> well, i certainly have losing her voice. >> can i tell you who is absolutely doing dancing a jig? her husband. he is. >> he's quite happy about dancing a jig. >> delighted. caramelos losing her voice. he couldn't. he's sending saying thank sending me notes saying thank you, andrew. >> thank you andrew. too >> thank you andrew. she's too loyal lister. loyal to sam lister. >> love you sam lister. >> love you sam lister. >> her a health drinks >> give her a health drinks outside you outside to kind of boost you gave health drink. gave me a health drink. >> i burned the back of my >> then i burned the back of my throat off. >> carol, i'm sure it's not going stop you talking. going to stop you talking. >> she's always right. now, >> no, she's always right. now, quickly earps winning quickly about mary earps winning sports personality. it sports personality. i think it should been who should have been the woman who won heptathlon championship. won the heptathlon championship. world year for world champions this year for the won the second time never won it. >> well, think sports >> well, i think sports personality the year always personality of the year always seems to me that the wrong people actually, you people win and actually, you know, have problem people win and actually, you knovmary have problem people win and actually, you knovmary earpsve problem people win and actually, you know mary earps winning)lem people win and actually, you knovmary earps winning item with mary earps winning it because know, she because i think, you know, she was of a successful team. was part of a successful team. you know, she did get a lot of support over the summer. i'm not into but you know, she into football. but you know, she seemed to be a big, big figure into football. but you know, she seefinel to be a big, big figure into football. but you know, she seefine you 3e a big, big figure into football. but you know, she seefine you know. g, big figure into football. but you know, she seefine you know. butig figure into football. but you know, she

seefine you know. but generally so fine you know. but generally the award all seems to go to the wrong ronnie o'sullivan, wrong person. ronnie o'sullivan, he's this. ago. he's never won this. years ago. he's snooker player he's the greatest snooker player of time. uh, he has a of all time. yeah uh, he has a record of you know, 30 years. and blokeish though, isn't and yet blokeish though, isn't it? it. you know, it? i think that's it. you know, the bbc doesn't want put the bbc doesn't want to put snooker there. >> to be little bit of a >> seems to be a little bit of a trend starting to happen, doesn't because this the doesn't it? because this is the third trot to win third woman on the trot to win sports personality. >> and it was a footballer last yeah >> and it was a footballer last year. we're talking later year. and we're talking later carol phil taylor who's carol to phil taylor who's the most player in most successful darts player in the the game. 16 the history of the game. 16 world never won it. world champions never won it. been nominated never ever been nominated but never ever won been nominated but never ever wori love the way you say >> i love the way you say his name. >> like know the it's in the >> like you know the it's in the script. in the script. >> i know as much about darts. i know about football. >> i know as much about darts. i kno but, out football. >> i know as much about darts. i kno but, out �*know,.l. >> i know as much about darts. i kno but, out �*know, .l. sounds >> but, you know, it sounds right. ronnie o'sullivan should have ago. it's have won it years ago. it's a it's a crap. but, you know, and there's nothing wrong with, you know, you know, with, you know mary you know, last mary thing. but you know, last year beth beth mead year beth, beth, beth beth mead won it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> mary thing. i know, i know, i did. because sick. did. i forgot because i'm sick. pierce right. um, so last year, beth mead won it. this year, mary it. but this

mary earps has won it. but this yeah mary earps has won it. but this year, girls, as much as we year, the girls, as much as we love they lost. exactly. love them, they lost. exactly. actually, win. love them, they lost. exactly. act i ally, win. love them, they lost. exactly. acti think win. love them, they lost. exactly. acti think i win. love them, they lost. exactly. acti think i think win. love them, they lost. exactly. acti think i think there'd be >> i think i think there'd be more an argument here if it more of an argument here if it was a panel of judges. but this was a panel of judges. but this was a panel of judges. but this was a public vote . and i think was a public vote. and i think it's hard to knock a public vote. and say everybody was wrong. you know , the reason wrong. you know, the reason people like ronnie are so hasn't got it is because snooker is not on the telly in the way it used to be. >> you know, the ladies football was , you know, was published all was, you know, was published all over place this year. over the place this year. >> every time turn the bbc >> every time you turn the bbc on, came up. on, it came up. >> yeah. and there's this thing. it's a bit like sam says, there's thing that, you there's this thing that, you know, bit like, know, it's a little bit like, um, a little bit um, snooker is a little bit unwoke in the same way darts is. and blokeish to a certain and it's blokeish to a certain generation, watches it's generation, watches it, and it's kind generation. and kind of my generation. and no one what think. it's one cares what we think. it's the people want to know what younger and it's younger people like and it's football. against younger people like and it's football. football.against younger people like and it's football. football. but1st younger people like and it's football. football. but you can't women's football. but you can't have can't keep women have can't keep having women winning it much as i'm a winning it as much as i'm a woman as i'm on the woman and as much as i'm on the sisterhood, you can't have women three a row winning. three years in a row winning. there's of good blokes out

there. >> well, yeah, but loads of blokes, many years in a row of won it. >> i know i'm not going to go there because i said, it's there because like i said, it's not. all for the sisterhood. not. i'm all for the sisterhood. but i just think there lots but i just think there are lots of this year who have of blokes this year who have performed much better. >> about a bloke >> let's talk about a bloke called keir starmer. he's opened the free vote on the door to a free vote on assisted that's a very assisted dying. that's a very significant because significant statement because i was shouting at frontbencher from the other from the labour party. the other day, darren smith, shadow chief secretary, who couldn't even say in principle whether we should be looking at changing or reviewing dying reviewing the assisted dying laws back what esther laws on the back of what esther said, typical sitting on said, typical useless sitting on the starmer normally the fence. now starmer normally sits on fence, this is sits on the fence, but this is quite for him. quite radical for him. >> i think he has. in the >> yeah, i think he has. in the past has called for change past he has called for a change in so i think he's in the law. so i think he's clearly minded, um, to, to, to, to, you know, allow reform to happen. >> is it because he thinks there's votes in or is this a genuine thing for him? >> i think it is a genuine thing. if i'm if i'm being fair to him, i think it is something that he has, um, talked about in the it's obviously the past. it's obviously something that thought something that he has thought about obviously with about a lot. and obviously with his he clearly

his legal background, he clearly is the issues around is aware of the issues around this and complicated it this and how complicated it would do. um, would be to do. um, now, obviously had these obviously we've had these comments rantzen comments from esther rantzen this sparked this this week and it sparked this debate. no plan in the debate. there is no plan in the parliamentary timetable to have this but, um, when things this vote. but, um, when things like to the again like this come to the fore again because of somebody like esther rantzen, loved, much rantzen, who is much loved, much admired, with great admired, she's spoken with great dignity, um , you know, feeling. >> and her daughter also spoke very powerfully as well . very powerfully as well. >> yeah. but i think actually that that i mean, her daughter is clearly very distressed about this. that shows the this. and that shows the complexity this debate, complexity of this debate, doesn't but has put doesn't it? um, but it has put it back agenda. i think it back on the agenda. i think if ever does go back to if it ever does go back to parliament, it will always be a free vote. this is a matter of conscience. this not conscience. this is not something whip your conscience. this is not someone g whip your conscience. this is not someone way whip your conscience. this is not someone way or whip your conscience. this is not someone way or the whip your conscience. this is not someone way or the other. your conscience. this is not someone way or the other. sorr mps one way or the other. so even if labour does get in after the election, then it doesn't mean that because keir starmer personally that mean that because keir starmer pers happen. that mean that because keir starmer pers happen. it that mean that because keir starmer pers happen. it will that mean that because keir starmer pers happen. it will be that mean that because keir starmer pers happen. it will be upthat mean that because keir starmer pers happen. it will be up to it will happen. it will be up to all mps in the house. um, all the mps in the house. um, but clearly, you know, the i think it is something we do need to again as a nation to discuss again as a nation because is, you know, dame because it is, as you know, dame diana obviously diana rigg, obviously she recently and she a very

recently died and she had a very agonising illness and, and raised issue again and raised this issue again and people do want to people do people do want to discuss come to some discuss it and come to some don't you think? >> i think moods shifting. carol don't you, towards a change? >> not sure we are. >> i'm not sure we are. >> because because think the >> because because i think the people make these decisions people who make these decisions aren't shifting. you they aren't shifting. you know, they their against is their argument against it is that a lot of that you know that a lot of elderly people, lot of elderly people, a lot of disabled people will be nudged into dying now. i mean, into consider dying now. i mean, i just think that's tosh. you know, and they're saying that the system will abused. the system will be abused. i mean, lots of people die within the anyway, say by the system anyway, say by accident, by whatever. but, you know, negligent know, and we're very negligent towards people anyway. i towards elderly people anyway. i think society we make think in society we make them feel useless and feel like they're useless and a nuisance. generally , you nuisance. and generally, you know, but think the know, that's but i think the assisted dying is really assisted dying thing is really important because important to talk about because everyone , everyone who's everyone, everyone who's watching this programme today and probably people at this table they table have watched someone they love , i certainly have. i love die, i certainly have. i watched my mum die of two different councils. >> i'm so sorry. we have to interrupt you because we have to go to the weather forecast . we

go to the weather forecast. we will pick this up again. we will talk to you shortly. a brighter outlook with boxt solar, the sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm alex burkill. it is going to be a windy day for many of us, particularly in the north, with some thundery showers possible elsewhere. strongest then elsewhere. strongest winds then across of scotland, across parts of scotland, northern england. here could northern england. here we could see well in excess of see gusts well in excess of 50mph, perhaps some severe gales in exposed spots, particularly towards the north of scotland. otherwise there will be some bright or sunny spells for eastern areas, but also plenty of showers and these could be heavy for some us. some hail, heavy for some of us. some hail, some mixed in and some some thunder mixed in and some wintry ness over the higher ground scotland. temperatures ground of scotland. temperatures a little on the mild side a little bit on the mild side towards the south, but colder further north really feeling further north and really feeling cold strong winds we cold in those strong winds as we go through this evening and overnight see some overnight we will see some further showers in further showers piling in on those brisk northwesterly winds .

those brisk northwesterly winds. the winds ease a little the winds will ease a little bit, it is going to stay bit, but it is going to stay blustery for many of us. and whilst may some clear whilst there may be some clear skies towards the east at times for many it is going to be a cloudy night with some outbreaks of rain. but under that cloud and those blustery winds, and with those blustery winds, temperatures not dropping much at pretty mild start at all. so a pretty mild start for many of us on friday morning as through itself. as we go through friday itself. then picture for then it's a cloudy picture for most showery rain, most outbreaks of showery rain, particularly towards western northwestern . some sleet northwestern parts. some sleet or likely over higher or snow, likely over higher ground of scotland, could see some here, some snow accumulating here, perhaps some drier, brighter weather developing the weather developing in the southwest through the southwest as we go through the afternoon. but the drier weather won't last as are likely to won't last as we are likely to see rain for most us as we go see rain for most of us as we go through the weekend. but it is going be relatively mild by going to be relatively mild by by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors .ofweather boxt boilers sponsors .of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> well thanks alex. still to come, one of darts greatest ever players, phil the power. taylor we know him well will join us on

the show to discuss what he plans to do when he steps away. uh, from the. >> okay, that's what that's the that's part of the darts. what the line terminology, isn't it? >> right from the okie . i'm >> right from the okie. i'm learning all the time. you're

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thursday 21st of december. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. with me, andrew pierce and pip tomson >> time to name the killers . a >> time to name the killers. a judge will today decide whether or not to identify the teenage killers who brutally murdered brianna. gee >> lockerbie . 35 years on, who >> lockerbie. 35 years on, who can believe it? today marks 35 years since the deadliest terror attack in british history . our attack in british history. our homeland security editor mark white. he has more . white. he has more. >> 270 people died when pan am flight 103 was blown out of the sky. i've been back to lockerbie to remember those events. i first reported on as a young journalist back in 1988. >> ready for an election with a general election apparently looming . sirjacob rees—mogg looming. sirjacob rees—mogg will give his thoughts on if the tories are ready for it and what's next for that icon of darts, phil the power taylor,

after he announced he's going to be retiring after his farewell tour next year. >> he's joining us very soon. don't miss it. >> let us know your thoughts on everything we're discussing today. really good to hear from you and a thank you for all the comments we've had so far. gb views gb news show.com. let's go straight over to tatiana now for your latest headlines . your latest headlines. >> good morning. this is the latest from the gp newsroom breaking . news a former british breaking. news a former british army soldier accused of spying for iran will stand trial in october next year, 22 year old daniel khalife november trial was put off after he allegedly escaped wandsworth prison by strapping himself to a food delivery lorry. khalife is charged under the official

secrets act of gathering information that might be useful to an enemy of the uk between may the 1st 2019 and january the 6th. last year. he's accused of passing sensitive material to iranian intelligence, which he denies . iranian intelligence, which he denies. today marks 35 years on from the lockerbie bombing that killed over 250 people. when the boeing 747 exploded over the scottish town of lockerbie, it killed all 259 passengers and crew on board and 11 people on the ground. the bombing, which took place on the 21st of december 1988 as the plane made its way from london to new york, remains the uk's worst ever terrorist attack. former head of counter—terrorism at the ministry of defence , major chip ministry of defence, major chip chapman, told gb news the accountability is extremely important . and it is mass important. and it is mass criminal murder and mass criminal murder and mass criminal murder and mass criminal murder means that, uh , criminal murder means that, uh, you know, people still need to be held to account if they think there are people out there who still did things. still did these things. >> evidence to

>> but you need evidence to prosecute. megrahi was was prosecute. now, megrahi was was prosecuted. the key question if you're in the counter—terrorist field is could this happen again? because most of the mass criminal murder through aviation incidents occurred in the 70s and 80s, and now it is very difficult to do that because of airport security being better now, the labour leader says there's a real and constant threat to europe from russia . threat to europe from russia. >> he visits british troops in estonia . sir keir starmer has estonia. sir keir starmer has been watching training sessions on a nato base bordering with russia. he's there to show his commitment to nato and has thanked servicemen and women for their courage , integrity, their courage, integrity, loyalty and professionalism. sir keir warns that the west mustn't lose sight of moscow's threat to europe. >> i'm here to say thank you to our troops here in estonia who are based on the border, pretty much with russia for all the work they're doing, keeping us safe, the work they're doing for nato , but also to reaffirm our

nato, but also to reaffirm our unshakeable commitment for nato and our unshakeable commitment to ukraine and to remind everybody that russia is a constant threat, not just now, but into the future . but into the future. >> defence secretary at the evening standard, robert fox , evening standard, robert fox, told gb news the labour party is just there playing catch up . just there playing catch up. >> you look at the commitment of british forces and troops, look at that . they're that, they're at that. they're that, they're that they're all over the world and labour. and i think indeed the conservatives are preparing for after the election, there will be a major national security strategy overhaul and view pro—palestine demonstrators and nhs health workers blockaded the us tech giant parlantes office in london, accusing it of being complicit with war crimes. >> the nhs data platform was awarded a contract where £330 million earlier this year to provide the new shared software

system . it aims to make it system. it aims to make it easier for health and care organisations to work together and provide better services to patients. but there are concerns about how patient data will be used and questions over parlantes involvement with the israeli government . rail israeli government. rail passengers in scotland are being strongly urged, not to travel to and from edinburgh today, as storm pier is set to cause major disruption on. the service has asked customers to delay their journeys in and out of the scottish capital until after 3 pm. as parts of the uk brace for high winds. a yellow weather warning for wind came into effect at midnight and will last until 9:00 this evening, with forecast gusts of wind up to 70 and 80mph. in northern scotland, the warning also covers belfast, newcastle and manchester and finally , british sign language finally, british sign language will be taught as a gcse in england from september 2025. the department of education says it will give students an understanding of the history of sign language in the uk.

education secretary gillian keegan says it can open the door for so many young people. it's understood the development of the gcse was delayed due to the covid pandemic. this the gcse was delayed due to the covid pandemic . this is gb news covid pandemic. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to andrew and. pip. >> thanks, tatiana. hello again. well, let's see what you have been saying at home or wherever you are watching or listening from this morning, we've been talking about a assisted dying sir keir starmer has said that this issue should be looked at again . david's got in touch. again. david's got in touch. good morning to say if you face a long, lingering and painful death, having access to an off switch can be a great comfort. one might not ever use it, but just to know it is there . uh, just to know it is there. uh, we've also been talking about

mary earps winning. we've also been talking about mary earps winning . winning mary earps winning. winning peter . well, you can read it peter. well, you can read it then, if you love it so much you read it. she. >> so she won sports personality of the year. i think it was the wrong decision because she didn't win. they were runners up.andi didn't win. they were runners up. and i think there was a much better winner in world better winner in the world pentathlon champion pentathlon heptathlon champion for second time. and she for the second time. and she didn't it . i for the second time. and she didn't it. i think i'm didn't win it. i think i'm disappointed, peter says. mary earps has broken mould earps has broken the mould awarded . who gave awarded for failure. who gave away the winning goal? peter cruel, but i know what you mean . cruel, but i know what you mean. she did. >> she saved a penalty against the spanish. >> she led in the goal. she won the golden glove. yeah, and she didn't. she shouldn't have won. the sports personality of the year they didn't win. year because they didn't win. andy sportsman of the andy murray won sportsman of the year for winning wimbledon year twice for winning wimbledon for the first british for the first time. british player had won male british for the first time. british player since /on male british for the first time. british player since 1936 male british for the first time. british player since 1936 for.e british player since 1936 and for leading winning the leading britain into winning the davis cup for the first time in 70 years, if they'd come second, and if come second and both if he'd come second both was a public vote. >> there was a shortlist drawn up, yes, but it was a public

vote. andrew. yeah. the bbc and you you don't know lot you say you don't know a lot about i don't about football anyway, i don't bonng. about football anyway, i don't boring . should read any, boring. should we read any, should any more? um, should we read any more? um, john. good morning. uh, we've also been talking about, uh, sir tony blair going to israel to talk to benjamin netanyahu . so talk to benjamin netanyahu. so he's getting involved now, john says, um, all this shows that rishi sunak has no credibility in foreign affairs, what with david cameron heading there as well. uh two prime ministers that you would never want back in office have returned. >> absolutely true. >> absolutely true. >> i wonder what nigel farage really thinks about david cameron coming back. can't be very impressed , guinea. very impressed, guinea. >> um, we didn't get time to ask him that, did we? we were too busy talking about him and boris were. now the prime were. yeah. now the prime minister has confirmed the next general election will be in 2024. well, what a shock. but it has at least ruled out the prospect of a january 2025 contest. i mean, we knew it would be next year. we're just not quite sure which part of the

yeah not quite sure which part of the year, whether it's may, june or october, november probably won't be in november because there's an election an american election in november. so are the conservative party ready for an election ? polls are suggesting election? polls are suggesting that they remain way behind the labour party. >> well, let's talk to our great friend of this program. of course, jacob rees—mogg, the tory mp for north east somerset , tory mp for north east somerset, who of course has a very fine show on gb news. jacob, good morning to you . morning to you. >> good morning . >> good morning. >> good morning. >> um, have you the tories ever been so badly ill prepared for a poll , uh, at been so badly ill prepared for a poll, uh, at this late stage? jacob. um, it feels like. does it feel like 1996 to you, when the tories were miles behind a young labour leader called tony blair and went down to a huge defeat ? no no. defeat? no no. >> though the polling is not encouraging at the moment, we were in a worse position in may of 2019 when you were recall in those european elections, we got the worst result in the whole

history of the conservative party and then just a few months later in december, won a majority of 80. so there have been times when close to an election, we've been worse prepared and gone on to win. but equally, there have been times when we've been low in the polls and we've remained low in the polls, and it's always difficult to which right to know which is the right historic comparison. so >> so are you at at the >> so where are you at at the moment, jacob? are you feeling optimistic that things could be turned around in the next few months? or is the tory party a bust flush ? bust flush? >> well , i bust flush? >> well, i think if you are a candidate in an election, you always have to be optimistic about your chances. >> i mean, even when i was standing in central fife in 1997, the last seat to have returned a communist, i went into the campaign with enthusiasm vigour , though enthusiasm and vigour, though the of winning there the chances of winning there were very, slim. i think if were very, very slim. i think if you're planning to be a candidate, as i am, i'm looking forward standing in north forward to standing in north east and harnham a new east somerset and harnham a new constituency you can't go into

it with a defeatist mindset , so it with a defeatist mindset, so tories must be positive. >> but do you have the right leader to reinvigorate you if you like, because you sound like you're tearing each other apart within government at the moment ? within government at the moment? >> well , i within government at the moment? >> well, i mean, my views on the removal of boris are on the on the record. i thought that was a great mistake. i thought he had the mandate. i thought he had a great connection with british voters, which led to electoral success, and that the tory party committed an act of self—harm by deposing him. but to change leader now with under a year to go before the election happens . go before the election happens. seems to me would be writing off the election altogether. so, um , the election altogether. so, um, rishi sunak is the leader we've got. i want to back him. i want to support him. i want him to do well. jacob, it well. how important jacob, is it not just in terms of what happens to our migration policy, but politically? >> important is it that the >> how important is it that the prime minister rwanda policy

actually flies and we start getting planes off the ground because if there's no progress there before an election, he's going to have failed on one of his five pledges to stop the boats. well it's always important that planes fly. >> that's their point. so if we're going to have planes, they must fly. um, i, i happen to think that legal migration is the bigger problem because the numbers are so large. 1.4 million net migration in the two years to june 2023. that is something that's easier for the government to control. it doesn't require primary legislation , an it doesn't bash legislation, an it doesn't bash up against human rights, but stopping the boats has become totemic . and so it is really totemic. and so it is really important that that he pushes through and starts getting people to rwanda. was it the wrong slogan though ? wrong slogan though? >> was it a slogan that was never going to fly by? >> well, i've always thought that slogans should follow policy rather than policy

following slogan. and if you set a slogan and then try and develop the policy around it, you can easily be hoist by your own petard . own petard. >> can i ask, can we ask you on one other subject, jacob? um, keir starmer has given an interview somewhere this morning and opened door for, and he's opened the door for, not first time the not for the first time to the idea that he thinks we should be exploring the idea of a free vote on assisted dying. he thinks this is an area that thinks that this is an area that needs to be looked at. this is, of back of what of course, on the back of what dame um esther rantzen said this week. i know what your week. i think i know what your position may be this, but position may be on this, but what is your view? we a vote what is your view? we had a vote in commons in 2015. there in the commons in 2015. there was in the lords a couple was a vote in the lords a couple of years ago with baroness meech's. private member's bill is to look at it again? is it time to look at it again? >> subject that has to be >> it's a subject that has to be revisited because it's important that the arguments are heard and that the arguments are heard and that there is broad support for the law as it is. so i have no objection to debates in parliament. and it's now nearly ten years since the last one. so that's not unreasonable . i think that's not unreasonable. i think the case against is very strong.

obviously i'm heavily influenced by being catholic and the fundamental principle of the sanctity of life. but the practicalities of it are, i think , very, very risky. the think, very, very risky. the thing that concerns me most is elderly people feeling they're a burden, either to their family, to the nhs, wanting to shorten lives, that they could actually lives, that they could actually live out contentedly, but i think it's dame esther said when she encouraged, um mps to discuss the topic . discuss the topic. >> she she said, think of your loved ones who are older, who are unwell and think how you would wish them to spend their last days and weeks. and being as she has said, terrible. you know, lung cancer. she's she's in a good position, isn't she, to to, take that view . to to, take that view. >> she's in a good position to raise the issue. i mean, esther rantzen has been one of the most effective of people at raising issues over her long and distinguished career. issues over her long and distinguished career . the, issues over her long and distinguished career. the, um, there is the question about pain

relief , there is the question about pain relief, about there is the question about pain relief , about the there is the question about pain relief, about the hospice movement, about how the hospice movement, about how the hospice movement is funded . and this is movement is funded. and this is tremendously important that ensuring people have a peaceful life and a pain free end is something that can be done rather than thinking that it's cheaper and more efficient, and that people are a burden, people are never a burden. they are valuable individuals and part of their family. valuable individuals and part of their family . and i worry that their family. and i worry that their family. and i worry that the elderly will come to see themselves as a burden . and you themselves as a burden. and you see where this has been tried in other countries, that the arguments made, that it will be for a very small number of those with the most difficult conditions, and then it extend us. so both belgium and canada are talking about children being eligible for euthanasia. so you start killing children. this seems to me to be terrible. >> well, all right, that's jacob rees—mogg. jacob, great to talk to you, jacob rees—mogg, of course, who has his show here. >> thank you and happy christmas. >> christmas you and >> happy christmas to you and your family jacob. >> talk to you. jacob's >> good to talk to you. jacob's show watch , of course,

show is a must watch, of course, on gb news monday to thursday. >> the truth who >> now the truth of who was behind the lockerbie bombing in 1998 is likely to never be revealed. that's according to the father of one of the victims i >> -- >> on the 30th anniversary of the disaster, which is today, reverend john mosley said the evidence surrounding the destruction of jumbo jet was evidence surrounding the des'wellon of jumbo jet was evidence surrounding the des'well hidden. jumbo jet was evidence surrounding the des'well hidden. ournbo jet was evidence surrounding the des'well hidden. our homet was too well hidden. our home security editor mark white, has returned to the scottish town where he spent his first year as a young radio reporter, covering the aftermath of disaster. this is his report . >> it's many years since i last set foot in lockerbie , a town

set foot in lockerbie, a town only 25 miles as the crow flies from my own home town and the place i was sent to in december 1988 on my first major assignment as a reporter, i spent most of the next year in and around lockerbie reporting on the fallout from the terrible disaster. here. it would be easy now to just concentrate on the enormity of that event of sherwood crescent , where the sherwood crescent, where the jet's fuel laden wings crashed to the ground , leaving a massive to the ground, leaving a massive crater , or rosebank, where part crater, or rosebank, where part of the main passenger cabin landed among the terraces . many landed among the terraces. many passengers still strapped to their seats . instead, i want to their seats. instead, i want to tell you about two young people, two victims, but two incredible individuals whose stories touched me back then and still live with me today . nick live with me today. nick varenius was just 20 back in 1988, a young man full of energy and charisma who lit up any room

. his mother still bursts with pride as she remembers those qualities. >> he was shorter than anyone, but might be, and so everybody in enjoyed being around him. he took chances. he was the first one off to dive off the cliff . one off to dive off the cliff. he was an adventurer , a he was an adventurer, a photography student at new york's syracuse university, nick travelled regularly, captured beautiful images . beautiful images. >> this one photograph in particular, a self—portrait on the summit of a mountain above the summit of a mountain above the cloud base taken just days before his death , is so before his death, is so incredibly powerful , and the incredibly powerful, and the story of how it came back into the possession of his family is spine tingling . spine tingling. >> they gathered all of the clothes and objects . everything clothes and objects. everything was black, everything was grey, uh, filled with smoke or burnt or everything . or everything. >> the power of the explosion

blew passenger belongings, including nick's photographs, out into the night sky, fluttering on the breeze until coming to rest in a farmer's field in northumbria. on the opposite side of the country . opposite side of the country. later, as elizabeth sifted through victims belongings , through victims belongings, suddenly she caught sight of nick's photo that picture being perfect was, to me, the miracle and the fact that it was found that far away , um, it made all that far away, um, it made all of us go gasped when we saw that and we started to cry because even. and we started to cry because even . now, even now, 35 years even. now, even now, 35 years later , it was as if nick was later, it was as if nick was saying, i'm all right. >> i'm supposed to be . here at >> i'm supposed to be. here at just 19. >> helga mauzy was already a regular violinist for the birmingham youth orchestra and a highly talented professional

singer. >> she played the violin and the piano, but she's singing was her great love, and she sang with the birmingham bach choir. she wanted a career in singing serious music. the professor, who had interviewed her in lancaster said that he had little doubt that she would have made her mark on the music world. >> a libyan miner's about to stand trial, accused of constructing the lockerbie bomb, but john mosley and many others already questioned the guilt of the only other person convicted of the bombing, abdel basset al—megrahi. always protests his innocence. john is doubtful the families will ever see justice. >> there's obviously something somewhere very dark and dirty that the american government is terrified of their people finding out about. we've never wanted revenge, but we do want the law to take its course . the law to take its course. >> it's incredibly emotional to see the names of nick and helga etched on this memorial stone .

etched on this memorial stone. after all these years, 35 years, which for the rest of us have been packed with life experiences , who knows what they experiences, who knows what they could have achieved . but from could have achieved. but from everything i'm told, they would have lived. amazing lives. >> 7:00 at night that happened. most people in that village were having their tea. >> you're sitting at home, you're getting ready for christmas, wrapping presents just four days before christmas . just four days before christmas. >> that happened. the >> and that happened. the explosion from hell. i mean, it must have been a living nightmare. and the fact that they still don't know who did it, they'll be. and for families, that's really important. >> the strength and the resilience shown by those families down the decades searching for answers. >> yeah. and they haven't given up. >> it's so inspiring. >> it's so inspiring. >> great report as well by mark.

brilliant. now up next we're looking forward to this. what's he called fill the power taylor one of the greatest darts players ever who's never won sports personality of the year is going to be joining us on the show. >> find out what he has in common with nigel farage. you're with britain's newsroom on gb news . we're late. get off this news. we're late. get off this christmas eve and christmas day. >> wake up with gb news for the finest festive start to your christmas for you and the whole family. christmas breakfast on gb news christmas eve and christmas day from 6 am. >> i got you this. >> i got you this. >> oh, good. okay um, i got you a little something . ah a little something. ah >> ah, sure. it's nice

isabel monday to thursdays from 6:00 till 930. >> 1126 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and pip tomson >> and before we go any further, lots of you are contacting us saying there is something a little bit scruffy today about your tie. oh, it needs straightening . oh, so come here. straightening. oh, so come here. right. so let me just i probably i think it needs doing again. >> i probably did it in a rush and wasn't looking in the

mirror. >> well that's that's no good andrew is it. i know you need you need a mirror. well it would be nice if it was worn correctly. yes. somebody somebody . keith keith's written somebody. keith keith's written in saying look like just in saying you look like just william. oh in saying you look like just william. on from the book. >> i love josh. william >> i love josh. william >> richard. >> richard. >> is that better? is that >> is that any better? is that better? it is keith, is it better? >> let me know. okay >> let me know. okay >> hey, dart superstar phil taylor . he never needs to >> hey, dart superstar phil taylor. he never needs to wear a tie. he's won a record 616 world champs and has announced that he's going to retire from competitive darts next year . competitive darts next year. >> now, he's nicknamed the power, and he's often named as the greatest darts player of all time . time. >> but what is next for phil taylor after retirement when he joins us now ? joins us now? >> phil, before we ask you, what's next? we've been talking in the programme about bbc sports personality of the year. very nice. summary you have won it, but i don't think she should have won it because i think there were more deserving winners such as the world heptathlon champion this year

and the second time she'd won it. and maybe she, rory mckellar , the golfer, led england to winning the ryder cup reclaim it back from the american fans, uh, and he was the top scorer. she didn't win. you've been nominated for this prize a few times and never won. it. is that because darts isn't fashionable enough ? enough? >> no, i don't think it is at all. >> it's a public vote. >> it's a public vote. >> it's a public vote. >> i did come runner up once. um, but now i'm quite happy to me , coming runner up is like winning. >> winning the thing. you know, it's a lovely. it's a lovely accolade to have. it's great when people have voted for you. so but i'm just a bit for the young lady. i've got no problems. right right. >> okay. >> okay. >> moving. moving swiftly on. yeah. >> now, why are you retiring, phil? you've had such a stellar career. why you just. are you not playing as well or you've just done enough now? >> no, i'm. i'm 64 next year. i mean, it's enough now. i've been

working since i was 15. um so i'm going to i'm going to spend the rest of my life more or less being at home now. i really don't want to travel anymore. i've, you know, and practising every day. it's getting hard work as as work now. me body isn't as as fit as what it used to be, but, um , we'll keep going. and i'm um, we'll keep going. and i'm spending more time with my spending a bit more time with my family grandkids because family and my grandkids because you miss them. as you. you know, you're away from home every week. will still week. will you will you still carry for carry on playing darts for pleasure ? pleasure? >> you know, playing with the grandchildren ? maybe i do, grandchildren? maybe i do, actually, matthew's with me now. >> is in the other room. so we'll go and have a little practice in a minute. he comes up every day. um my other grandkids are a bit young yet, but they will do the rmt ofsted at the minute because i'll let the wall. um, but i shall still, still do personal appearances and things like that. >> okay. so what do you fancy doing next year ? i mean, we're doing next year? i mean, we're having a little chat between us, and we were thinking, you could be an ideal candidate at for.

i'm a celeb. maybe because they'll be drawing up that shortlist already. phil, what do you reckon ? you reckon? >> well , they keep punching my >> well, they keep punching my name out last year i was asked at least 500 times. >> are you in the jungle this year? i've heard you in the jungle. i said, i don't know, i said, nobody said anything. so if the opportunity arises, then we'll sit down and chat about it. would >> do you think you could cope with eating kangaroo testicles ? with eating kangaroo testicles? >> i've. i've no idea. i mean, l, >> i've. i've no idea. i mean, i, i've had some strange things in my time. i'll be honest with you. oh you know, travelling abroad. um but we'll have a go now. >> nigel farage was telling us earlier that, of course, he couldn't drink alcohol in there. for what would it be? three weeks? nearly. nearly a month . weeks? nearly. nearly a month. how would feel about that? how would you feel about that? or . maybe you've gone or maybe. maybe you've gone teetotal . i wouldn't bother me. teetotal. i wouldn't bother me. >> i'd enjoy it. i i if i go in, i shall lose a bit of weight as well, which i've always

struggled with. so yeah, i mean, snakes on your dad's a bit different. ooh. but, um , i know different. ooh. but, um, i know he wouldn't breathe in there. what would hurt you? so that would be on your mind. >> and, phil, when you play darts, often see pints darts, we often see pints of beer going you have beer going around. do you have a dnnk beer going around. do you have a drink you're playing darts, drink when you're playing darts, or you religiously , or do you. are you religiously, um, sober , teetotal? when you're um, sober, teetotal? when you're playing hand on heart, not telling any lies? >> we have a little drink before we go on stage. you're not allowed to drink on the stage anymore, but some of the anymore, right? but some of the lads will have a couple of cookies something they cookies or something before they go on. cookies or something before they go and does that your >> and does that steady your nerves it's just a convivial nerves or it's just a convivial thing do. thing to do. >> it does, it does steady >> yeah, it does, it does steady it. yeah. >> does it steady you haven't though, you've had a couple though, if you've had a couple of vodkas steady your hands. >> it steadies everything. yeah it . it does. >> and , and just before we let >> and, and just before we let you go for what was your you've been world champion 16 times. what was the greatest championship. which year was the for you why? for best you and why? >> i pick the best. the best one. i'll always be your first

one. i'll always be your first one. that was 1990 and btec in the final. and then i'd say the second one would be the last one. when i wanted for the 16th time, that was, uh, because in your own mind, you hadn't won it for a few years. and then everybody's saying, well, that's you finished now and then win you finished now and then to win it again was remarkable , really. it again was remarkable, really. i mean, i was 50 odd years old. it's ridiculous. i mean, i won the world matchplay when i was 58, which shouldn't be ever really . but it never happened in really. but it never happened in any other sport. no >> and what is the key to being a great darts player? is it the eye, the steady hand? what is it ? >> 7- >> yeah, 7_ >> yeah, yeah. ? >> yeah, yeah. you 7 >> yeah, yeah. you need ? >> yeah, yeah. you need good eyesight. obviously. you need a lot of bottle. and also it's a lot of bottle. and also it's a lot of bottle. and also it's a lot of dedication. andrew. over the years i've been very, very dedicated and i can't be like that no more. you know there's more to life now than than just throwing darts. haven't got throwing darts. so i haven't got the willpower to get every the willpower to get up every day practice like i should do i >> -- >> well, 5mm >> well, well, you i think you deserve . you deserve the break, deserve. you deserve the break, phil. best of luck. and i think

we'll look. and if you're in the jungle next year, i promise i'm going to vote for you. >> yeah, there's a vote. >> yeah, there's a vote. >> will definitely. >> we will definitely. >> we will definitely. >> retirement. phil >> happy retirement. phil >> huh? >> huh? >> thank you. love it. >> ah, thank you. love it. >> ah, thank you. love it. >> and christmas to you >> and happy christmas to you and family. and your family. >> andrew. >> thank you andrew. >> thank you andrew. >> bye god bless . >> bye bye god bless. >> bye bye god bless. >> love you too. you. what a nice man i love darts. >> do you? we had a dart board at home. absolutely love at home. i absolutely love playing it. i think it might be watching bullseye. do watching too much. bullseye. do you with jim you remember that with jim bowie? watch that. my grandparents me. phil grandparents made me. phil taylor popped that as guest. >> i'm sure he did. double top 40. it. 40. love it. >> out the black into the >> out of the black into the red. nothing in this. going for three a bed. there you go. three in a bed. there you go. let's get your headlines now with . pep. with tatiana. pep. >> thank you very much. and good morning. this is the latest from the gb newsroom, a memorial service marking 35 years since the lockerbie bombing , service marking 35 years since the lockerbie bombing, has paid tribute to the 270 people who died in the senseless act of violence that from the local clergyman who led the service. when the boeing 747 exploded over the scottish town of

lockerbie, it killed all 259 passengers and crew on board and 11 people on the ground . the 11 people on the ground. the bombing, which took place on december 21st, 1988 as the plane made its way from london to new york, the uk's worst york, remains the uk's worst ever attack . a former ever terrorist attack. a former british army soldier accused of spying for iran will stand trial in october next year. 22 year old daniel khalife november trial was put off after he allegedly escaped wandsworth prison by strapping himself to a food delivery lorry , khalife has food delivery lorry, khalife has charged. under the official secrets act of gathering information that might be useful to an enemy of the uk. between may 1st, 2019 and january 6th last year. he's accused of passing sensitive material to iranian intelligence, which he denies . the iranian intelligence, which he denies. the labour leader iranian intelligence, which he denies . the labour leader says denies. the labour leader says there's a real and constant threat to europe from russia as he visits british troops in estonia. sir keir starmer has been watching training sessions on a nato base bordering with

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buy you $1.2647 and ,1.1542. the price of gold £1,608.53 per ounce, and the ftse 100 at 7682 points. rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . report. >> thank you andrew. we are still getting comments and complaints about your tie, mike says. complaints about your tie, mike says . oh, straightening andrew's says. oh, straightening andrew's tie, which i tried to do, is a golden moment. can anyone imagine such a scene on the stiff bbc? n0. stiff bbc? no. >> stiff bbc? n0. >> and could anybody imagine me allowing bev turner to straighten my tie? because she would probably it to try to would probably use it to try to soften it? >> me a few more shows with >> give me a few more shows with you. i won't be doing the same. >> still come. are we seeing >> still to come. are we seeing a high street revival? it's expected be one of the expected to be one of the busiest shopping weekends of the yeah busiest shopping weekends of the year. bought a single year. i haven't bought a single onune year. i haven't bought a single online this year. i've online gift this year. i've never an online gift. eveh >> you've got about three days to sort yourself out. >> i'm sorted. i went to oxford street.

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that i knew had dewbs& co weeknights from six. >> it's 1040. you weeknights from six. >> it's1040. you as britain's news from on gb news. >> it's not 1040, it's 1140. >> do that. don't i? >> do that. don't i? >> i'm thrown off my stride. >> i'm thrown off my stride. >> too much fun. >> too much fun. >> you want to give us an extra hour on air?

>> malone and sam list. so he always throws me off my stride. anyway, what is it? oh, it doesn't matter what the time is. blaming us and people are moaning time moaning about my time alone. >> i think time is >> yeah, i think the time is really for you. yeah, and really good for you. yeah, and it's expensive so i know it's an expensive one. so i know you buy it for yourself. you didn't buy it for yourself. >> it was a gift, i think. i know it was, and it obviously wasn't from you. now, you were halfway through very halfway through a very interesting point. i was interesting point. i was interesting anyway. interesting point. i was inte interesting anyway. interesting point. i was inteinteresting me.way. >> interesting for me. >> interesting for me. >> recap. we're >> let's just recap. we're talking assisted dying on. talking about assisted dying on. sir starmer suggested sir keir starmer has suggested that he thinks there should be a free and it's on the back free vote, and it's on the back of and phil. of esther and phil. >> on back van—tam >> it's on the back of van—tam saying has saying this week that she has signed for dignitas, and we signed up for dignitas, and we had that her family had been saying that her family is upset about it. yeah, but what saying, think what she's saying, and i think it sense, is that it makes total sense, is that she doesn't want her family's last her be dying last memories of to her be dying a death. you know, most a bad death. you know, most people have terminal illnesses, and this i've and i know this because i've worked lot of them, i worked with a lot of them, and i speak to of them. and my speak to a lot of them. and my own mum had terminal illness. own mum had a terminal illness. what want is for the what they don't want is for the people they love their kids, their see them die people they love their kids, trbad see them die people they love their kids, trbad death see them die people they love their kids, trbad death in see them die people they love their kids, trbad death in a see them die people they love their kids, trbad death in a seedeath die people they love their kids, trbad death in a seedeath ise a bad death in a bad death is horrific for someone who knows

they're going to die, and i think was my own mum who, think it was my own mum who, when she died, had two different kinds of cancer and emphysema. she she was a very dignified woman. any woman. she would have borne any pain on the planet. the pain didn't her, it was the didn't worry her, but it was the loss it loss loss of dignity. it was the loss of the it was of control. it was the it was the lack of people listening to what wanted. what she what she wanted. and what she wanted at that point, because there go. and there was no hope was to go. and they let her go. and they wouldn't let her go. and i remember this doctor saying to me, carol, you know, all life is sacred. i said, well, yours might be. i but when might be. i said, but when you've got someone for whom there not the there is no hope, it's not the pain bothers it's the pain that bothers them. it's the hopelessness situation. hopelessness of the situation. plus, want their plus, they don't want their families them going plus, they don't want their familiesthat. them going plus, they don't want their familiesthat. andzm going plus, they don't want their familiesthat. and this oing plus, they don't want their familiesthat. and this is1g plus, they don't want their familiesthat. and this is what through that. and this is what annoys me about the doctors who say fighting not not to say who are fighting not not to allow this to happen in this country that, know , it's country is that, you know, it's all very for them to say all very well for them to say all very well for them to say all life is sacred. it is when you're healthy person, but you're a healthy person, but when weeks, left when you have weeks, months left and months are and those weeks and months are just about pain and hopelessness , your family's , and you see your family's distress , you don't want your distress, you don't want your family to have to go through that. so i totally get what esther is saying. um, and i

don't buy the arguments that we've been peddling in this country and that's country for years. and that's that be that old people will be encouraged there's a way encouraged to go. there's a way you make the system work. encouraged to go. there's a way you could make the system work. encouraged to go. there's a way you could get ee the system work. encouraged to go. there's a way you could get two ie system work. encouraged to go. there's a way you could get two professionals, .. you could get two professionals, psychologists, to psychologists, psychiatrists, to talk person and say, is talk to the person and say, is this want? is this this what you want? or is this what family are pushing you what your family are pushing you and if it's what they want, let them go and let them go in their own homes. you shouldn't have to. in the last months of your life. you're going, when life. when you're going, when you've terminal on you've got a terminal to get on a plane, your own. because if a plane, on your own. because if your come with you, your family come with you, they're criminals. and if they help so be jailed for help you die. so be jailed for 14 or 14 years even 14 years or 14 years and even even they're not, the even if they're not, the pressure could happen pressure that that could happen to them is tremendous. let them die. own home, die. die in their own home, surrounded by the people they love, they love in love, by the things they love in their own bed. much more their own bed. a much more peaceful way for a death that you know, is certain. >> yeah. a number of mps have been commenting on this. now. one of them is lisa kearns and she said it's not. there was a really i thought really salient point she made saying assisted

dying is not about ending life , dying is not about ending life, it's about shortening death . it's about shortening death. >> yes, i think that's that's a very good expression, isn't it? >> yeah, it is, because actually, um, because of the advances in, you know, healthcare and all that kind of stuff and, uh , people living stuff and, uh, people living healthier and less healthier lives and less industrialised lives . industrialised lives. >> obviously, we do live longer , >> obviously, we do live longer, but actually for a lot of people, it is prolonging death. mhm um, it is, it is drawing out a very long, painful death. i think what the story carol just told was very powerful and i think it was summed up by the phrase you said about the loss of dignity . and i think that's of dignity. and i think that's at the heart of this. and i think when you have somebody like rantzen talking think when you have somebody like this, rantzen talking think when you have somebody like this, esthern talking think when you have somebody like this, esther rantzeni think when you have somebody like this, esther rantzen , you about this, esther rantzen, you know, she has been a household name. she's been on our tvs ever since i was a child. she's part of of the nation. she of our fabric of the nation. she this is a woman who has campaigned relentlessly for children, people. children, for older people. she's a real difference in she's made a real difference in life. proud life . life. she's lived a proud life. life. lose dignity at the life. and to lose dignity at the end, that's incredibly cruel. and so i can see why she is.

>> and if you remember very recently , sam, diana rigg from recently, sam, diana rigg from the grave, we got her views . she the grave, we got her views. she left recordings about how she despaired at the loss of dignity again, the loss of control of her bodily functions . she had her bodily functions. she had very painful cancer. she hated her children seeing it, and the people who loved to sing it. and she said , the law has to change. she said, the law has to change. >> yeah, you would need, though, wouldn't numerous wouldn't you? numerous safeguards place . yeah. and safeguards in place. yeah. and that would be very difficult. >> devastation. >> devastation. >> they can be built into the legislation very easily legislation that's very easily built . built. >> and as say, people just >> and as i say, people just assessing you see if you're assessing you to see if you're being shoved into it, see if you're being coerced. yeah because i think the cases because maybe i think the cases where this would be abused are minuscule. i really do. but there has to be safeguards in place for those minuscule number of cases , and we'd have to make of cases, and we'd have to make sure we go down the canada sure we don't go down the canada route where you can. >> if you've mental illness route where you can. >> if y no,e mental illness route where you can. >> if y no,e can,ntal illness route where you can. >> if y no,e can, you illness route where you can. >> if y no,e can, you can. ss issues. no, you can, you can. you you can signed you can, you can get it signed off. and rees—mogg was off. and jacob rees—mogg was saying in some countries now they're talking about bringing

saying in some countries now they're 1children. yout bringing it for in children. >> no that that's, >> well no, no that that's, that's kind of taking a ten steps got to get steps beyond, we've got to get over hurdle of giving over the first hurdle of giving people know, people choice. and, you know, you can't people who go you can't have people who go through their lives making through their whole lives making decisions about lives. decisions about their lives. and making choices. making their own choices. and then end, you deny then at the very end, you deny them most important choice them the most important choice of all, which whether you of all, which is whether you live or whether you die. yeah, really interesting. >> we talk about >> should we talk about something a bit more upbeat, lighten the mood. we'll go christmassy we'll talk about christmassy and we'll talk about there's for everything there's names for everything nowadays. saturday nowadays. super saturday shopping . come on. what's what's shopping. come on. what's what's this about? carol >> well, that's every day for carol. that's every. she's shopaholic. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> she's a shopaholic. >> she's a shopaholic. >> i do love shopping. i do love it. in fact, last night at midnight, i was ordering on amazon. no, but amazon. um, so. so. no, but supeh amazon. um, so. so. no, but super. yeah. super saturday shopping is. yeah. people are going the christmas going nuts and the christmas the extra although it's extra nuts. although it's interesting the shops are quieter i think now than they were a week ago. so i think a lot of people have gone and done it and sorted it really. there's only people. well, well i was

out night. it was ram. out last night. it was ram. she's done nothing, sam. absolutely she's done nothing, sam. absolutwhen you to >> oh. when are you going to do it? saturday >> not saying she's not >> i'm not saying she's not doing >> i'm not saying she's not doiishe's do it on >> she's going to do it on boxing she's going to take boxing day. she's going to take advantage of boxing day off. advantage of the boxing day off. >> the afternoon free. >> that's it. >> that's it. >> so grinchy listen , have you >> so grinchy listen, have you bought any turkey? >> i've ordered the foods ordered. >> so don't don't have to worry about food. just, you about the food. it's just, you know, presents. about the food. it's just, you knoso presents. about the food. it's just, you knoso does nts. about the food. it's just, you knoso does your other half know this? >> well, let's not go there. >> well, let's not go there. >> we're going to be a happy christmas. >> could a >> we could break up a relationship here if keep relationship here if we keep talking about this. >> a thing the >> i read a great thing the other day. >> somebody said that i've forgotten who um. oh, it's forgotten who was, um. oh, it's mary she um, if mary berry, and she said, um, if you get situation where you get a situation where i haven't got present, you give them envelope at them a little envelope at breakfast and put it. breakfast and you put in it. i owe whatever . i think that's owe you whatever. i think that's a good way round and you can a good way round it. and you can say, i owe you. >> got a pen. yeah >> i've got a pen. yeah >> i've got a pen. yeah >> so is super saturday shopping overtaking then, boss passing day shopping and i think so because there are offers on all the time. >> boxing day used to be the

day. first day of the sales. yeah traditionally when also old people. what. yeah. now it isn't anymore. there's a lot of the sales are on now. >> you've started. i was in oxford street and the sales were there. yeah, right. >> good bargains. saturday >> good bargains. the saturday thing course thing is like and it's of course it's day everyone has it's the one day everyone has off isn't it. yeah. most people have off. you guys don't. but you people have you know, most most people have saturdays is saturdays off and the voice is really you spend really i hope you didn't spend too my present, carol. too long on my present, carol. i've no time all in i've spent no time at all in your present, pearce. enough. >> present. your >> i gave you my present. your sore throat. >> my for sore throat. laryngitis. >> i want to know about this miserable, spirited rector. miserable, mean spirited rector. >> man. this appalling. >> this man. this is appalling. this reverend edward this is the reverend edward keane. can't believe he runs keane. i can't believe he runs the berkeley academy in stevenage . he has to . sorry. he stevenage. he has to. sorry. he was talking to the kids at the berkeley academy, and he's told a bunch of seven year olds that santa isn't real. you santa isn't real. can you believe parents are mean believe this? parents are mean spirited . spirited. >> they must be living in seven years. >> he's not even regretting it. >> he's not even regretting it. >> he's not even regretting it. >> he's actually just saying he's defended his decision and saying he approached the topic differently in future. well, how

is going to do he's is he going to do that if he's already said, can i just say if we have any children watching today, santa santa is real. today, santa was santa is real. >> santa still got a lot to >> santa has still got a lot to do, so keep behaving yourselves . do, so keep behaving yourselves. >> and have you written your letters? >> yeah. make sure leave out >> yeah. make sure you leave out the for the reindeer. the carrot for the reindeer. yeah. the glass yeah. leave out the glass of sherry. yeah yeah. leave out the glass of she leave ah less than nothing. >> leave some less than nothing. yeah. she she yeah. because she hasn't she hasn't bought presents to hasn't bought any presents to give to santa. >> so santa claus will have more time come house, time to come to your house, kids, going to kids, because he's not going to sam lister's house because she didn't the list. the didn't send the list. that's the point. rector , it's point. but this rector, it's a it's a shameful. if i was if i was a parent of one of these kids, i would literally go nuts. >> i mean, this is this is a godly man, and he's actually just wrecked the christmases of godly man, and he's actually juwhole:ked the christmases of godly man, and he's actually juwhole bunch e christmases of godly man, and he's actually juwhole bunch e (bunch ases of godly man, and he's actually juwhole bunch e (bunch ofzs of godly man, and he's actually juwhole bunch e (bunch of kids a whole bunch of bunch of kids here. seven year old probably here. seven year old is probably one years you would one of the last years you would believe . believe. >> no no no no. carol >> no no no no no no no. carol >> santa. no. >> santa. no. >> exists. the rector is >> still exists. the rector is wrong. let's just leave it there i >> -- >> the rector was wrong when she rector as well. >> i think i have to say so. i'll add myself as an atheist here. but i think any any vicar

giving lectures on what's real or not and what does exist and what doesn't, and they spend their days reading out stories from bible is on a sticky from the bible is on a sticky wicket. jesus i'm not sure i want to go along with that. >> as a good roman catholic boy. >> as a good roman catholic boy. >> exactly. that's quite offensive, actually. sam to a lot of people. >> so you don't play christmas carols in your home? >> i like a carol, but, you know, i don't i don't believe, i don't mean this one. >> she doesn't mean i love a carol with a knee. so you do play carol with a knee. so you do play christmas carols, even though jesus play christmas carols, even th0lthe jesus play christmas carols, even th0lthe nativity jesus play christmas carols, even th0lthe nativity scene?jesus and the nativity scene? >> i do it from a very secular point of view. >> right. point of view. >> and t. point of view. >> and you do it a very >> and you do it from a very tight fisted point of view that might i'm buying might say, yeah, i'm buying presents santa. presents to give to santa. >> had kids in that >> but if you had kids in that class, you'd be pretty cross. >> mean, what >> oh, honestly, i mean, what what he thinking? what was he thinking? >> so wasn't thinking. no he >> so he wasn't thinking. no he wasn't going to double on it. it's just very, very mean. >> it's just very, very mean. yeah, i think he's, um. >> let's talk. feels >> let's talk. it still feels like months away. well, it like it's months away. well, it is, it's not till may, but eurovision song contest. olly alexander, idiot . carol.

alexander, idiot. carol. >> idiot. >> idiot. >> what's he been? what's he got into? hot water for? >> he's into hot water because he signed it. a statement . um, he signed it. a statement. um, it was caught by a group called voices for london. and it was an lgbt direct action pressure group . and it was citing it was group. and it was citing it was anti—israeli and pro—palestine . anti—israeli and pro—palestine. oh, sorry, carol, what was that? i know, i know , are you all i know, i know, are you all right? >> do you want sam to accusing israel of genocide ? israel of genocide? >> basically. so. so. and i saw this young man on he was on strictly. he was on the street and he was very, very excited about the fact he'd been chosen. he announced then he'd he announced it then that he'd been contest been chosen to be in the contest . and now that now lots of people are saying you should be taken out of it, the bbc look like they're not to do like they're not going to do anything obviously anything about it. obviously not, because the last eurovision entry, said. not, because the last eurovision entry, saidiid. not, because the last eurovision entry, said she didn't think >> she said she didn't think bons >> she said she didn't think boris should been boris johnson should have been given covid. he should given a bed for covid. he should have just died. >> exactly. and now we've >> yes, exactly. and now we've got and, know, the got this guy and, you know, the serious this is this serious part about this is this will him a lot of will lose him a lot of popularity in this country. and

it him popularity it might lose him popularity worldwide and at the competition because . all over because the israelis. all over the world, they're not committing genocide. jews yeah, exactly. so people will not vote for him. >> he's also a complete idiot because being because if he's being sympathetic because hamas, sympathetic, because hamas, what hope have under hamas hope would he have under hamas as a man, a very difficult as a gay man, a very difficult life. five years minimum in prison, if you're lucky . but if prison, if you're lucky. but if they find a roof to push you prison, if you're lucky. but if theover find a roof to push you prison, if you're lucky. but if theover your a roof to push you prison, if you're lucky. but if the over your gourmet. push you off over your gourmet. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> what an idiot. i think it's a very, uh, very position to very, uh, a very odd position to take.i very, uh, a very odd position to take. i mean, i think generally, do do we expect, um, any do we do we expect, um, any better from eurovision? i'm not sure i'd ever on sure i'd ever switch on eurovision hear , eurovision and expect to hear, uh, my views reflected there. i just i don't really don't they do any due diligence? >> you know, this is in a way this is people who do this and join these pressure groups. they have there have to understand there are consequences beliefs. consequences for their beliefs. have beliefs by all means, have your beliefs by all means, but accept that there may be consequences. but mind the consequences. but mind you, the fact he's working, it's the fact he's working, that it's the it's the bbc gig and the bbc have never declared hamas. i just who was advising him i >> would somebody have not said,

yeah this not a good idea. yeah, this is not a good idea. and was only three weeks and it was only three weeks after hamas massacre . after the hamas massacre. >> know, extraordinary. >> yeah, i know, extraordinary. i >> yeah, i know, extraordinary. | , >> yeah, i know, extraordinary. i , but he like the i know, i know, but he like the rest of us, he is also seeing all of, you all the thousands of, of, you know, children , know, men, women and children, innocents he is. innocents dying. yeah. he is. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> but i don't know that i believe the figure of 20,000 have died because it's coming out from hamas. hamas health out from the hamas. hamas health service hamas live. service and hamas live. >> how is too many? >> how many is too many? >> how many is too many? >> well i mean, hamas are >> yeah. well i mean, hamas are not committed to a ceasefire because they want destroy the because they want to destroy the state of israel. >> said they they want to >> they said they they want to repeat it. and repeat it and repeat it. and repeat it and repeat it. and repeat it. i mean, and they've said that number times. said that a number of times. >> they go into >> why should they go into a ceasefire? absolutely. a humanitarian pause. ceasefire? absolutely. a hurlanitarian pause. ceasefire? absolutely. a huri think an pause. ceasefire? absolutely. a huri think thatause. ceasefire? absolutely. a huri think that said , they've >> i think that said, they've said they won't release said today they won't release any um until any more hostages. um until there's a ceasefire. >> yeah. well, there is still a long way to go before this war ends blares out there. >> now. >> now. >> thank both . happy >> thank you both. happy christmas, happy christmas carol. >> that is it from nos newsroom . >> that is it from nos newsroom. your husband said you don't get good afternoon britain with ben and emily. >> thank you for your company

today. christmas >> yeah. good afternoon. >> yeah. good afternoon. >> massive show. my last of the week. unfortunately, uh, what have we got in store, emily? >> uh, yes. we're going to be heading to ireland. >> actually to be >> we're actually going to be speaking francois mp speaking to mark francois mp because government because the irish government is launching challenge launching a legal challenge through of through the european court of human rights against the troubles bill and a massive exclusive chopper in exclusive from chopper in estonia with keir starmer. >> what's he got to say about representing qatada ? all to representing abu qatada? all to come with mark francois next? >> like things are heating >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers as sponsors of whether on gb news . whether on gb news. >> hello again alex burkill here with your latest gb views news. weather update. we have some hefty showers around today. they bnng hefty showers around today. they bring the risk of some hail and some for few of us, some thunder for a few of us, but winds in but also strong winds in association a feature that association with a feature that has named pierre by has been named storm pierre by the met institute because the danish met institute because it will be in denmark, where we see the strongest winds. but nonetheless has been a windy start the many of us, start to the day for many of us, and the will continue,

and the winds will continue, albeit easing a little as we albeit easing a little bit as we go the afternoon and go through the afternoon and into evening. we then into the evening. we have then plenty of showers feeding in on those northwesterly plenty of showers feeding in on those like northwesterly plenty of showers feeding in on those like said,westerly plenty of showers feeding in on those like said, some'ly plenty of showers feeding in on those like said, some hail, winds. like i said, some hail, some thunder possible. also some sleet over the higher sleet or snow over the higher ground scotland. in ground of scotland. chilly in the north, temperatures a little bit suppressed here, milder further south with highs of around 13 celsius, but around 12 or 13 celsius, but always colder in those always feeling colder in those strong winds as we go through this evening and overnight. some clear spells in between. any showers skies showers but those clear skies will disappear as we go through the night as more cloud pushes its in the west with its way in from the west with some rain times two staying some rain at times two staying windy as well. and so with the cloud and the strong winds, it's going to be a mild night for many especially in many of us, especially in the south temperatures will south where temperatures will stay double for some, stay in double figures for some, perhaps further perhaps a touch of frost further north. thing on friday north. first thing on friday morning, some morning, but noticed some further sleet or snow quite likely could see some accumulations. building up here. otherwise for many it will be a cloudy on friday with a few cloudy day on friday with a few outbreaks quite likely outbreaks of rain. quite likely though some brightness though perhaps some brightness developing in the afternoon across parts the southwest

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december. >> starmer tells all gb news is with sir keir starmer in an exclusive live sit down interview with the labour leader . he's visiting and thanking british troops near the russian border and starmer says that today the defence of the uk starts in ukraine in diplomatic row . row. >> the irish government is set to challenge the uk government through the european convention on human rights that's over its decision to offer immunity for crimes during troubles and crimes during the troubles and strike nation junior doctors are on day two of planned industrial action over pay, but the health secretary says she would head to the negotiations at the drop of a hat if it meant the end of strikes. >> we'll be hearing directly from a bma chair. >> this could be a very bitter diplomatic row over this northern ireland troubles bill, essentially granting limited

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