from today is broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy. also broadcaster and author danny kelly. but before we get started, let's get your latest news with polly . news with polly. >> nana. thank you. and good afternoon to you. hundreds of pro—palestinian protesters are rallying in central london today . now fire now ceasefire now! >> cease fire now! they're urging christmas shoppers to boycott what they say are pro—israel brands on oxford street. >> trash pick there was brought to a standstill as crowds chanted don't fund genocide. security . guards blocked the security. guards blocked the entrance to the fashion shop zara, while dozens of police officers followed the march. and today has been dubbed super saturday. tipped to be the busiest in—store shopping day of the year last year, shoppers were said to have spent over

£i.5 were said to have spent over £1.5 million buying last minute christmas gifts and the great christmas gifts and the great christmas getaway is, of course, well underway now, with travellers facing long delays on rail and by road, the aa telling us it's the busiest day of the pre—christmas period, with an expected 16.5 million extra cars on the road . there is some good on the road. there is some good news, though, for motorists travelling to france via the port of dover. earlier, there were nine 80 minute delays, but now the authorities saying that backlog and there's backlog has cleared and there's no time needed now at those extra border controls rail passengers have been facing train cancellations and with london paddington closed for four days from tomorrow, no christmas eve travel expert simon calder says people do need to plan their journeys carefully i >> -- >> so let's start at london paddington because we know that all the trains are going to stop as from late tonight. there won't be any until the 28th of december. we are seeing train

cancellations to bristol , to cancellations to bristol, to cardiff and coming back in the opposite direction due to shortage of train crew. the nonh shortage of train crew. the north of england is going to be even worse. northern trains has said. do not travel on some of our key routes. we won't have any trains, we can't get the staff to run them . staff to run them. >> simon calder , now the father >> simon calder, now the father of a four year old boy who was stabbed in east london, has paid tribute to his young son, koby macaria. dooly was found with knife injuries at home in hackney on wednesday. he later died in hospital. his dad says he'll be dearly missed and that the joy and laughter he brought to the world has been taken too soon. his mother, kasia macaria, has been charged with murder has been charged with his murder and is due to appear in court on thursday . the london mayor is thursday. the london mayor is calling on the government to help provide aid to ukraine by sending vehicles that would ordinarily be scrapped under the ulez scheme. sadiq khan has asked the transport secretary to enable those living in the

capital to donate their vehicles if they wish, under the scrappage scheme, londoners with cars that fall foul of emission standards can claim up to £2,000 when they're non—compliant. vehicle is scrapped and ukraine will be celebrating christmas on december the 25th. this year. that's for the first time since 1917. the holiday is usually held on the 7th of january in accordance with the traditional juuan accordance with the traditional julian calendar of russia . the julian calendar of russia. the move marks a step away from russian practices . moscow's russian practices. moscow's attack on ukraine has seen many ukrainians reject the language , ukrainians reject the language, culture and customs of russia , culture and customs of russia, and bells rang out today across the czech republic and flags are flying at half mast as the nafion flying at half mast as the nation held a day of mourning for the victims of a mass shooting. there were no oh say are they a catholic mass was held at the saint vitus

cathedral in prague, ahead of a minute's silence. charles university, where the gunman killed 14 people before turning the gun on himself. the country's president, along with members of the public, have been lighting candles, laying flowers and paying their respects at memorials . police are still memorials. police are still trying to work out a motive for the attack here. junior doctors have returned to work after a 72 hour strike over pay , with nhs hour strike over pay, with nhs managers saying the action put patient safety at risk . senior patient safety at risk. senior doctors were drafted to in cover appointments, but the prime minister said the action was disappointing, urging junior doctors to call off their strikes in the new year. the british medical association is urging the government to get back round the table and make what they call a credible offer . what they call a credible offer. talks broke down after they declined a 3% rise on top of the average 8.8% increase they were given in the summer. the next round of junior doctor walkouts will take place in the new year , will take place in the new year, and rebecca welch is making

history today as the first woman to ever referee a premier league match. the 40 year old is taking charge of the fulham burnley game today. she's been refereeing since 2010 and in january became the first female to officiate at a men's championship game . the burnley championship game. the burnley manager ahead of the match welcome and the milestone moment, saying his players won't be changing their behaviour as she takes charge . that's the she takes charge. that's the news on gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news this is britain's news channel . britain's news channel. good afternoon. >> we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua it's almost christmas. yay although i say that what am i going to do.7 i'm that what am i going to do? i'm going to sit at home and just eat. just eat and just watch tv. but listen, just coming but listen, it's just coming up to minutes after 3:00 on

to seven minutes after 3:00 on the way. we'll be speaking to our reporters around the country as we find out what's going on dunng as we find out what's going on during the christmas period, and also give some travel also give you some travel updates happening. if updates on what's happening. if you're planning leave your you're planning to leave your house, it's climate house, then at 320, it's climate control discuss all the control where we discuss all the conversation around the climate and whether we're set for a white christmas, which will be in days. i'm not in a couple of days. i'm not seeing somehow, but what seeing it somehow, but what do you think? as and what do you expect of we'll be talking expect of 2024? we'll be talking about the rise of transgender identity politics in schools in my political spotlight this week . doctor pam spurr will be live in the studio discussing the issues as well as mental health dunng issues as well as mental health during time . that's on the during this time. that's on the way as ever. tell me what you think we're think on everything we're discussing. views gb discussing. email gb views gb news. com tweet at . gb news. com or tweet me at. gb news. com or tweet me at. gb news. so we are pretty much two days away from christmas and have you done all your shopping yet? i've actually been running around, um, just buying stuff. i actually went on amazon the

other yesterday and other night yesterday and i said, oh, these things will arrive tomorrow, which is fantastic. hopefully some of fantastic. and hopefully some of you today have you have, because today have obviously super saturday. obviously a super saturday. and a people will be out a lot of people will be out there. it's going to be one of there. it's going to be one of the shopping the busiest in—store shopping days year. patrick days of the year. patrick christys oxford street christys was on oxford street yesterday people yesterday as swarms of people were about getting were out and about getting christmas oxford street in >> now on oxford street in london, two days before christmas . christmas. welcome to hell on earth . it's welcome to hell on earth. it's just horrendous . have you just just horrendous. have you just been doing a bit of panic buying for christmas? uh no. >> i was unsuccessful . why? um, >> i was unsuccessful. why? um, i was looking for vegan

chocolate and a candle and seemingly , john lewis had seemingly, john lewis had nehhen seemingly, john lewis had neither. okay so what's the plan ? the plan is to, uh, go back home, recoup, go again tomorrow. >> every year it's the same thing that happens. like you forget, life gets busy and you're like, i got a family. i've to go for it. i've got i've got to go for it. i've got to them. to get stuff for them. >> panic before >> panic buying before christmas? >> no, just came in to look >> no, i just came in to look for bit for something, but it is a bit mad for something, but it is a bit ma why did you leave it so late? >> why did you leave it so late? it's late. it's not late. >> it's late. >> it's not late. >> it's not late. >> that's bold. >> it's not late. >> yeah.; bold. >> it's not late. >> yeah. isn'ti. >> it's not late. >> yeah. isn't 25th. i've done it. done. >> yeah. isn't 25th. i've done it. a ne. >> yeah. isn't 25th. i've done it. a shared panic. >> it's a shared panic. >> it's a shared panic. >> no no, no no no no, the panic is not over. >> it'sjust is not over. >> it's just begun. starting. i have not bought any people who we need to buy things for. i have nothing yet. >> you've just bought each other presents, right? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and you've not bought. >> and you've not bought. >> i've got my niece something. so i'm a step there. >> right the of people >> right off the list of people you still need to buy for. >> um. >> um. >> my dad's my brother , my other >> my dad's my brother, my other two my sister.

two brothers, my sister. >> that's it . so far, so far. okay. >> how many have you got? my niece. >> my other niece, my nephew, my mum , my dad, my brother. mum, my dad, my brother. >> i only have to buy for my wife because she does everything else. >> so. okay she's the most important person. as long as she talks everyone else out. >> i'm all right. is she here? >> i'm all right. is she here? >> on her way round the >> she's on her way round the corner you can't corner now, but you can't tell her bought her that i haven't bought for her that i haven't bought for her she'll go mental. >> your message for >> what's your message for everyone who's. >> what's your message for evewho'swho's. >> what's your message for evewho'swho':rush today? >> who's in a rush today? >> who's in a rush today? >> merry >> good luck and merry christmas. you seem very relaxed. yeah, hanging relaxed. yeah, i'm just hanging out. yeah? yeah, we're about to go in. >> oh, you're about to go in. about >> oh, you're about to go in. ache just here. >> we just got here. >> we just got here. >> you've done all your >> so you've not done all your christmas yet? >> so you've not done all your chr uh, as yet? >> so you've not done all your chr uh, as this yet? >> so you've not done all your chr uh, as this just iet? >> so you've not done all your chr uh, as this just some >> uh, just this just some gymshark >> uh, just this just some gerkay.; >> uh, just this just some gerkay. all right. what's in >> okay. all right. what's in the bag? >> uh, sweatpants and t shirt. the bag? >>that sweatpants and t shirt. the bag? >>that foreatpants and t shirt. the bag? >>that foreatpayeah.|d t shirt. the bag? >>that foreatpayeah.|d tyou've is that for you? yeah. so you've bought for yourself? yeah. is that for you? yeah. so you've b0l howor yourself? yeah. is that for you? yeah. so you've b0l how are ourself? yeah. is that for you? yeah. so you've b0l how are you elf? yeah. is that for you? yeah. so you've b0l how are you getting h. is that for you? yeah. so you've b0l how are you getting on living >> how are you getting on living hell ? hell? >> right. i need a glass of champagne . okay. all right. champagne. okay. all right. >> talk through what's >> look, talk me through what's happened >> look, talk me through what's happen> i've just. >> i've just. >> i've just. >> i've come shopping . >> i've come out shopping. >> i've come out shopping. >> up just buying myself >> i ended up just buying myself some . i've had presents some stuff. i've had no presents yet, so this is it. some stuff. i've had no presents

yet don'tiis is it. some stuff. i've had no presents yet don't leavet. some stuff. i've had no presents yet don't leave your shopping too >> don't leave your shopping too late. yeah, yeah , that's exactly late. yeah, yeah, that's exactly what happened to me. >> i went shopping for some what happened to me. >> i ipeople. ipping for some what happened to me. >> i ipeople. i ping for some what happened to me. >> i ipeople. i endedr some what happened to me. >> i ipeople. i endedr s(buying other people. i ended up buying myself really luxurious myself this really luxurious dressing gown. you know, one of those soft stuff. yeah. those really soft stuff. yeah. it so nice . but now our it was so nice. but now our london reporter lisa hartle is on regent street . lisa. so, on regent street. lisa. so, what's it like out there? um, i thought london was busy with a lot of protesters . lot of protesters. >> hello. well, it's gotten busier than a couple of hours ago . it's a much more busy now ago. it's a much more busy now than it was . so 23rd of december than it was. so 23rd of december is typically known as the busiest day over the christmas penod busiest day over the christmas period for shopping . coupled period for shopping. coupled with that, it's the saturday before christmas known as super saturday. so two on the same day, double whammy. um, so we expected it to be extremely busy today. now it's a nice atmosphere . it's certainly not atmosphere. it's certainly not quiet, as you can see from the crowds of people walking on regent street, but i've been into a couple shops on into a couple of the shops on regent street. ask them is regent street. to ask them is this particularly busy for this a particularly busy day for you? one the shops said, you? and one of the shops said, well, this well, we had a meeting this

morning ourselves for morning to prepare ourselves for how we expected it be, how busy we expected it to be, and they that they're and they said that they're really surprised that it actually near as actually isn't anywhere near as busy. they said even busy. they said it's even probably quieter in some of the shops then they sometimes get after payday. a lot of people after payday. so a lot of people would have been paid yesterday. um the other shop there confirmed that it has been a very busy shopping period leading today , but leading up until today, but again, they haven't seen the footfall through the doors that they expected and when i asked them, why do you think is? them, why do you think this is? they people they said perhaps people have already, maybe they're more organised of organised this year. a lot of people travelling people are already travelling away that could away for christmas. that could have had an impact. or maybe everyone's focusing on their food shopping today. so maybe the a the supermarkets tell a different story. but there is a word of warning from the insurance group, admiral. they've done some research collating data from ten years, and they found that car parks today , of all the whole year, today, of all the whole year, you're 46% more likely to have an accident because people are, uh , grappling for the car spaces uh, grappling for the car spaces . they're stressed out about christmas. so if any shoppers are going out and relying on a

car park, beware. today >> thank you. lisa, that's lisa hartle she's out there in london, right? should we head over to. let's go to the. there's a dartford crossing. let's have a chat with theo chikomba. he's live there now with latest news on travel with the latest news on travel at christmas. theo, what can you tell me about what's been going on regarding the roads and everything? yes >> so depending on where you live in the country, it's been a flow of traffic and some delays and some closures , particularly and some closures, particularly on the m1 in the luton and, uh, milton keynes area. there have been some closures into those cities and towns . but where i am cities and towns. but where i am at the moment on the m25, this is just near the dartford crossing and in most parts of the day it was busy between around 11 and 1 pm. but in between those times it's been relatively straightforward . relatively straightforward. there was an accident just where i am, about 50m from here this morning . the emergency services morning. the emergency services were quickly on the scene and they cleared that up elsewhere

overin they cleared that up elsewhere over in dover. there were some queues this morning in the early hours of this morning, waiting for around 90 minutes. that then went to down an hour, and then it increased again around mid—morning. but as of this afternoon, in the last hour or so they say, there's no waiting time. so presumably those time. so presumably all of those people who had booked their tickets, , were able to on tickets, um, were able to get on smoothly and it's just now working as it should do. but for those who are yet to travel, um , those who are yet to travel, um, we're being told that 6 pm. is that time. 6 pm. onwards? is that time. 6 pm. onwards? is that time. 6 pm. onwards? is that time where you're able to travel with potentially less traffic, but of course, it is always worth checking your journey just before you leave. >> all right. thank you so much, theo. that's theo chikomba. he's out dartford out there, uh, near the dartford crossing. well, if you crossing. right well, if you just tuned in, where have you been? few minutes been? because last few minutes after lot of us are after 3:00. now, a lot of us are celebrating but course, celebrating. but of course, uh, this festive cheer all over the world. but it is important to remember doesn't mean remember that that doesn't mean that because wars that just because there are wars and people aren't, and things that people aren't, hopefully least trying to hopefully at least trying to enjoy christmas. so joining me

now for more analysis on the pivotal situation in israel is one of the biggest stories of the year. let's speak to mr farage uri geller. uri, how are you? of course we're coming to christmas . you? of course we're coming to christmas. uh, talk to me about what's been going on. okay >> no, no, i'll tell you something that is quite shocking because you're talking about christmas. yes. i want say christmas. yes. i want to say something that really something that is really important your viewers important that your viewers should will only should know. and they will only hearit should know. and they will only hear it here on gb news. listen in two days, it will be christmas and you will hear about how the palestinians have cancelled christmas in bethlehem. yes there are no celebrations this year, but there should be. i mean, do you know why? because the christian population in israel is growing and israel is the only place in the whole of the middle east where christians are not persecuted . don't forget jesus persecuted. don't forget jesus was born in the land of israel,

andifs was born in the land of israel, and it's amazing that 2000 years ago, christianity is thriving in the land of israel again . the land of israel again. >> no christmas in bethlehem . >> no christmas in bethlehem. and that's where jesus christ was born . was born. >> wow. now, by the way, nana, if you're wondering what this monstrous thing is behind me , monstrous thing is behind me, thatis monstrous thing is behind me, that is a chair and it weighs six. >> it weighs half a ton and it's made out of 6000 spoons. >> it's a throne. and when you come to israel, i'm going to allow you to sit on this spoon throne. >> is that a deal? >> is that a deal? >> it's a deal, but it is. isn't it a bit uncomfortable ? have you it a bit uncomfortable? have you got the spoons? not on. you've just got the spoons . just got the spoons. >> let me show you . how do you >> let me show you. how do you remember the tv series? um, there we go. oh, look at that. >> very easy. >> very easy. >> you're actually nana. >> you're actually nana. >> you're actually nana. >> you're the first tv show that

sees the chair. >> now , this is very important. >> now, this is very important. also this is another thing i want to say . as you know, israel want to say. as you know, israel has found miles of tunnels under gaza. listen, there . big enough gaza. listen, there. big enough to drive cars through. why isn't hamas letting civilians use them as shelters? this is just one more evidence that hamas does not care about what happens to ordinary palestinians at and on this point, i want to tell you something even more shocking a hamas commander who was caught by israel has admitted that hamas uses children , children to hamas uses children, children to carry explosive sieves. now, this commander confessed on camera to and you can google it yourself if that hamas puts bombs inside buckets, covers them with vegetables and gives them with vegetables and gives them to children to transport because they know that idf will not shoot the children. this is

shocking and terrible and the world needs to know it well . world needs to know it well. >> i mean, world has just heard that here. and of course we'll check all the sources. but i you know, i will take your word for that because we have seen some frightening so how are frightening things. so how are you keeping, though? because of course , it's sad. obviously the course, it's sad. obviously the war is awful, but christmas is supposed to be a time where there is some level of self creation and festivities. are the people of israel trying to have some sort of, i don't know, some sort of enjoyment at this time ? time? >> look, we are getting used to the rockets flying in from gaza . the rockets flying in from gaza. i mean, yes, just a couple of days ago there was a huge barrage of rockets, i think 30 rockets. so the minute we hear the sirens, as i told you before, we take shelter. people who do not have shelters in their homes, they are told to go out and stand under the staircase because that's the safest place. and but otherwise today i had a tour in the museum . right now i have a vip tour,

uh, to, uh , people from america uh, to, uh, people from america and, um, life is going on, but it's war and that's the that's a fact. we cannot escape it. uh, sadly , uh, children die in sadly, uh, children die in palestine. palestinians uh, israeli soldiers die , and i hope israeli soldiers die, and i hope and i, i hope that we destroy hamas as soon as possible. this way the war will end . way the war will end. >> are you feeling a bit more positive that some of the world leaders are getting together now and time they stopped and there this time they stopped short of insisting on a ceasefire, which would be a pretty much surrender to israel. and finally, somebody mentioned the hostages and said that they cannot even contemplate that without hamas releasing hostages. they finally, finally said that . said that. >> yeah, i mean, these hostages , >> yeah, i mean, these hostages, that's such a serious case because there's a group, you know , here. i'm i'm see, this know, here. i'm i'm see, this there are lots of believe it or not, american politicians even british people where this this

says, uh, it says come our heart is with the hostages. and you didn't know this. you didn't know that i'll be wearing this, but you basically , i'll read it but you basically, i'll read it to you . so second. hold on. can to you. so second. hold on. can you hear me ? you hear me? >> yeah, i can hear you. yes. go for it . it says >> yeah, i can hear you. yes. go for it. it says our heart is with our hostages in gaza . with our hostages in gaza. >> bring them home now . now >> bring them home now. now that's what we're after . we want that's what we're after. we want hamas to release the hostages. yeah, well , they need to thank yeah, well, they need to thank you. >> so much. it's always good to talk to you. take care of yourself and have a wonderful christmas . that's yourself and have a wonderful christmas. that's uri yourself and have a wonderful christmas . that's uri geller. christmas. that's uri geller. he's live in tel aviv, he's there. live in tel aviv, giving us a bit insight giving us a bit more insight into what's happening, where he is . you join me into what's happening, where he is. you join me 20 is. if you just join me 20 minutes 3:00, this is gb minutes after 3:00, this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, a political spotlight. we'll be talking about gender identity in schools and mental health over this but up next, it's this period. but up next, it's time for climate control .

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that i knew had dubs and co. >> weeknights from six. >> weeknights from six. >> good afternoon. 24 minutes after 3:00. this is gp news. we are the people's channel i'm nana akua. it's time now for climate control where we unpick the debate around the climate and stay . i'm the debate around the climate and stay. i'm asking if we can expect snow over the christmas period, plus all the climate

predictions for 2024. the met office has issued 54 hours snow andice office has issued 54 hours snow and ice warnings as britain can expect a polar storm in the run up to the big day. but will it really be a white christmas? well i'm joined now by jim delmege , geologist and social delmege, geologist and social commentator. that is really commentator. yes that is really him there. and also paul burgess, climate scientist . yes, burgess, climate scientist. yes, welcome. he's got a little elf on his shoulder, so. well we can't we've got to go to the elephant in the corner. but you are actually a what are you, jim dasher? are actually a what are you, jim dastoday you're. >> today you're. >> today you're. >> dasher. where are you looking through? looking through through? are you looking through your of. yeah. i've >> uh, yeah. kind of. yeah. i've come way. come come all the way. i've come all the from, greenland . the way from, uh, greenland. yeah. top of greenland today. yeah. top of greenland today. yeah. top of greenland today. yeah. to give you a bit of snow story. do you want know story. do you want to know what's on? go on. what's going on? yeah. go on. jim okay, so that message from the office wrong. uh the met office is wrong. uh that's it. that's the start of it. >> the only places that are >> uh, the only places that are likely to see snow on christmas >> uh, the only places that are like|are» see snow on christmas >> uh, the only places that are like|are» see storv on christmas >> uh, the only places that are like|are» see sto ben christmas >> uh, the only places that are like|are» see sto be the|ristmas >> uh, the only places that are like|are» see sto be the northern highlands. >> totally agree of scotland. that's about where it'll be. maybe a bit into the grampians as well. but that's going to be about the limits of it.

>> um, other places in the world, norway . sweden. yeah. and world, norway. sweden. yeah. and that's about it. united states, canada , for which a lot of my canada, for which a lot of my friends are in. >> um, absolutely mild, could be the mildest . the mildest. >> warmest, uh, christmas on record. >> and you don't mean actual friends. you mean friends who look like you friends in russia? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> friends of dasher. yeah. i can't take him seriously, but then i never can. anyway with that on his head. so that's jim dale , paul burgess, is he right dale, paul burgess, is he right about these predictions? about some of these predictions? i your view, your i mean, in your view, your clients, actually clients, i agree, i actually agree to in agree that it's going to be in the kingdom's it for the kingdom's and that's it for uk . uk. >> so an. m with that. but i'm >> so i agree with that. but i'm here to represent here today really to represent the elves. >> i see there's an elf on your shoulder, the elf my shoulder. >> w" e the shelf >> yeah. they got off the shelf just to get on the shoulder today. and they've got a campaign more co2 . and campaign going for more co2. and if up elf slide if i could bring up elf slide one. here let's take a look. >> this is the elf. slide one. slide one. >> take a look and um, so they need there we are. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> now look, these are christmas

trees. >> and the left hand side there is how much it grows today with the c02 is how much it grows today with the co2 we've got so, so starving. >> so where it's where it's got the elf and where it's got the elf they want. elf is what they want. >> co2. doubling >> more co2. that's a doubling of roughly. that's what of co2, roughly. and that's what you because these trees grew you get because these trees grew up four the co2. we up with four times the co2. we have today. so the elves want and they live in trees most of the year. only the the year. they only go to the nonh the year. they only go to the north know about north pole, you know about father time . so they father christmas time. so they want that. and now we can go to the next elf two. there we've got what it was like here in the thames in 1683, where you had three foot of ice, and it caused a big problems. the elves hat fell off and they caused their heads to freeze as you can see there in the corner. so you know, they don't they don't like that at all. but it started to warm. then from where are you getting information from getting this information from then? , well, then? it's information is, well, then? it's information is, well, the information for 1683 is a famous painting. i will give quotes on my channel afterwards because tell me now because you're on air, on tv. >> okay? >> okay? >> this painting is a famous

1683 painting by a painter who painted it in 1683. >> so? so that's that's what we got. >> so from that picture, we presume, i just say that it's also in history that also recorded in history that 1830 these ice, ice things stop. >> the ice fairs stopped because it had warmed by 1830. so a warming of 160 years went on. and the elves , the elves wanted and the elves, the elves wanted to say, you know , that is the to say, you know, that is the case. and they didn't like it back then. they liked the warm. >> so, what what are >> so, so, jim, what what are your this as you your thoughts on this as you your thoughts on this as you your look of your thoughts are look of course, trees like co2 . course, trees like co2. >> yeah. but they also like water. and they also like don't want a lack of water, which is the problem around the world, including my own area. uh, where where there is we're going into deserts and all. you get the opposite where you get deluges out of out of thin air. we've seen it many times this year , seen it many times this year, and we're being out. we've and we're being wiped out. we've lost half of the herd since 1995 because of the impacts of climate change so 12.5 million

caribou, uh, not existent now. and as i say , in half and going and as i say, in half and going for extinction much as many other species across the world due to climate changes . that's due to climate changes. that's why it's not just about humans . why it's not just about humans. it's about animal life and others that as regards when he goes on about trees, because that's my subject here and christmas trees and things, what is going on about the fact is is going on about is the fact is that c02, is going on about is the fact is that co2, the less that the more co2, the less water need . water you need. >> because because the >> because now, because the trees and trees are starving and all plants. that's why we've got record we increase co2 record crops as we increase co2 and the starving, the little thing called stomata in the thing called stomata in and the breeze they have to breeze in the co2, they have to have of that's have a lot of those. that's a lot moisture and that's lot of moisture out. and that's why is reducing in why the sahara is reducing in size far less water is size and far less water is needed with more co2 , far less needed with more co2, far less water, he said. >> the sahara not. have water, he said. >.look3 sahara not. have water, he said. >.look atahara not. have water, he said. >.look at spain not. have water, he said. >.look at spain of not. have water, he said. >.look at spain of lateot. have water, he said. >.look at spain of late .:. have water, he said. >.look at spain of late . it'save a look at spain of late. it's going direction. going in that direction. you're looking at where the is. looking at where the sahara is. as always, you at weather, as always, you look at weather, not climate. the sahara is extending much as the polar regions are also going the other way, diminishing. regions are also going the other way, diminishing . so you get way, diminishing. so you get sort of the wrong way round . sort of the wrong way round. this is proven science. this is what seeing at this moment

this is proven science. this is witime. seeing at this moment this is proven science. this is witime. thiseeing at this moment this is proven science. this is witime. this is ng at this moment this is proven science. this is witime. this is whyt this moment this is proven science. this is witime. this is why dasherioment this is proven science. this is witime. this is why dasher and nt in time. this is why dasher and co having a real problem in co are having a real problem in the world at this moment in time i >> k can i k— k can i speak to that? jim, >> um, can i speak to that? jim, the facts are there's a german study showing clearly how the sahara is reducing in size because of the extra co2 are pumping in. there is no doubt that plants need less water. it's just a scientific fact. when they've got more co2 . and when they've got more co2. and that's why we pump co2 into greenhouses them grow greenhouses to make them grow much better. right? we can't afford to go up to the 1500 in greenhouses. they normally it greenhouses. they normally do it to about twice what it is today because of the doing it. because of the cost of doing it. so less water is needed so more less water is needed right the world if you right around the world if you have more co2. >> quick word to you, jim, >> final quick word to you, jim, to that water. to respond to that water. >> let me finish . sorry >> let me let me finish. sorry for me. >> yeah. quickly . >> yeah. go quickly. >> yeah. go quickly. >> can i, uh the name for somebody who doesn't like snow ? somebody who doesn't like snow? no. it was kind of allergic to it. probably in other words, it's called keanu phobia. okay. keanu phobia is if you don't like snow , that's you out there . like snow, that's you out there. we all love it. and i'll tell

you what. we might actually get some as we move towards the new yean some as we move towards the new year, extending down from the north. so prepare for that one. everybody i'm going to love it. love it. >> all right. thank you so much, jim dale. as, what are you jim dale. as, uh, what are you again? dasha and paul again? dasha dasha and also paul burgess. you very much burgess. thank you very much for joining interesting stuff . joining me. interesting stuff. what do you think? he's just coming 30 women, 31 coming up to 30 women, 31 minutes after 3:00. uh, if you've in, welcome you've just tuned in, welcome on board. is gb board. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are the people's channel way, we'll be channel on the way, we'll be discussing gender identities in schools as people's schools as well as people's mental health. over the christmas with christmas period with psychologists and social commentator doctor pam spurr. but let's get your latest but first, let's get your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> it's 330. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb news room , hundreds of in the gb news room, hundreds of pro—palestinian protesters are rallying in central london. they're urging christmas shoppers to boycott what they say are pro—israel brands. >> traffic on oxford street was

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news. >> good afternoon. it's 37 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. we are the people's channel. we're live on tv , online and on digital radio. tv, online and on digital radio. it's time now for this week's political spotlight and joining me to shine a light is doctor pam spurr, psychologist and social commentator at pam . thank social commentator at pam. thank you so much forjoining me. social commentator at pam. thank you so much forjoining me . now, you so much forjoining me. now, there has been so much in the press recently with regard to gender identity and what's been going on in schools. talk to us about give people a sort of an update of what's been happening and where you stand with it. okay >> well, gillian keegan has been in charge proposing in charge of proposing new guidance with a guidance for schools with a number of parents. were very upset to find that their children had been socially transitioned behind transitioned in schools behind their backs. like that their backs. issues like that cropped up. >> she's had to tiptoe around the 2019 relationship, health and sex education act, which requires schools to teach gender ideology as part of sex education. >> and it was pushed through by

the trans sort of activist organisations. >> stonewall . >> stonewall. >> stonewall. >> and now she it's spread like a jungle through our schools. >> and gillian's been given like a little pair of scissors to snip away at some of the worst aspects of this. >> but it's left a number of troubling loopholes . troubling loopholes. >> so this is something that happenedin >> so this is something that happened in 2019, something that i don't personally necessarily agree with. >> gender ideology , the unicorn >> gender ideology, the unicorn or whatever it is they're talking about the different levels of gender and all this. i believe there are just two genders, male and female . and if genders, male and female. and if there another one, it's there is another one, it's because something has gone wrong and doesn't make another and that doesn't make it another genden gender. that just means that something is biologically gone wrong. something is biologically gone wrowell, problem with something is biologically gone wroigender problem with something is biologically gone wroigender ideologyroblem with something is biologically gone wroigender ideology is 3lem with something is biologically gone wroigender ideology isoleis with this gender ideology is it is anti science. it is based on on myths and fantasies that appeal to infantile and sometimes narcissist minds who want to label themselves with these sort of multitum of potential genders that have been put out there by different gender ideologues . the different gender ideologues. the problem is we might as well just

teach greek mythology as fact to children and say that children can identify as a centaur , you can identify as a centaur, you know, half human, half horse . know, half human, half horse. >> that is the basis of this ideology. >> it is anti—science. now, one of the main loopholes, unfortunately , is the fact that unfortunately, is the fact that parents want to know what's going on with their children, particularly with big emotional and wellbeing issues. and what she's happened is she said that they going to ask teachers they are going to ask teachers to discuss this with parents. if a pupil comes to them and says they're questioning their genden they're questioning their gender, apart from if the teacher thinks they're serious safeguarding issues in the child's home, well, my point of view is if there's serious safeguarding issues in a child's home, why have they not got children's services involved anyway? so that is just a red herring . so that loophole is herring. so that loophole is there to kind of appease the gender ideologues. >> there's also another loophole where they're advising that over acas your children over eight

should have single sex toilets and children over 11 should also have single changing rooms and showers . showers. >> however, they're saying that if a child is transitioning, let's say a 13 year old socially transitioning, that if there are huge distressed by being forced into their biological shower room, that they will be allowed to do that. >> so it's a big loophole. >> so it's a big loophole. >> again, if you don't want your 13 daughter showering 13 year old daughter showering after sports with a 13 year old boy. so, um , unfortunately, boy. so, um, unfortunately, gillian keegan as i say, has had to tiptoe around this 2019 act. >> and there are some very positive things like single sex schools do not have to take in a pupil who says they're transitioning to that sex. so a boy of, say, 13, 14 can say, i'm going to be a girl and i want to going to be a girl and i want to go to that girl's school. >> so that's a good thing. >> so that's a good thing. >> the girls schools no nowadays. >> said , though, that >> so they've said, though, that that would even be a thing. there are some positives like

that, but mainly see i'm purist. >> i believe that gender ideology should taught in ideology should not be taught in schools, is taught in schools, or if it is taught in schools, or if it is taught in schools, taught schools, then it's taught along with and things with greek mythology and things like know, just that with greek mythology and things likefantasticalknow, just that with greek mythology and things likefantastical thinking t that with greek mythology and things likefantastical thinking , that with greek mythology and things likefantastical thinking , but: it's fantastical thinking, but it's fantastical thinking, but it's ludicrous have this it's ludicrous to have this there as sort of a science case of gender. and it's incredibly misleading and damaging. i think it's dangerous, frankly, because ihave it's dangerous, frankly, because i have a little son, ivory. >> he's quite a sensitive soul. so he would probably believe and buy into all of this if somebody was to present it to him in a certain way. and those who would wish to present this would be the sort of people that i probably want be probably wouldn't want to be teaching frankly, teaching him, because frankly, they lean on the they would probably lean on the side of believing it . and i side of believing it. and i think the problem here is that we end up with very confused children. so concerned children. and i'm so concerned about it. some people say, oh, it's not a big deal. well, it is because if somebody started telling me all when i was telling me all this when i was youngen telling me all this when i was younger, bought younger, i may well have bought into well . yes, i was into it as well. yes, i was a tomboy until i was me too. i tomboy until i was 12. me too. i was tomboy. was a tomboy. >> know, you and i, if >> and you know, you and i, if we tomboys, now, and

we were now tomboys, now, and some into some teacher who's bought into this ideology could say to us, well, actually you well, maybe actually you identify as boy, we y see, identify as a boy, we y see, that's the thing. it's such regressive gender stereotypes in this idea. >> well, that's the thing, isn't it? gillian was trying to, it? and gillian was trying to, you know, as i say, tweak with little scissors , some of the little scissors, some of the worst aspects, but unfortunately , 2019 in place , , with the 2019 act in place, unless that is overturned and i'm not a political legal expert in that sense, i don't know how many mps have to get on board and try and kind of repeal that act. >> we will be stuck with her doing like sticky plastic on the worst bits they need to. >> they need to just cancel it and start again. really, i think it's but i really like what you said about regressive gender stereotypes, that's what stereotypes, because that's what it is, isn't it? saying that you're a boy or you're a girl against what if you're going to discount biology ? what is the discount biology? what is the what is the line that you are using to determine where the crossover exists ? because and crossover exists? because and somebody else may well have a different line there line might

be elsewhere. this is why this is a serious problem. but there is a serious problem. but there is a serious problem. but there is a simple, easy defining line between a man and a woman. and thatis between a man and a woman. and that is biology. >> but we will be stuck with this until the 2019 act. >> they do something about it as i say, stonewall the trans activist organisation, pushed it through with the government, and that means it's like a jungle. as i said, spreading through schools. and she was just given this tiny pair of scissors to snip up little bits of peas. people like me and you, but it hasn't appeased me. but why do you think, though, that this has become ? become? >> because i would say the majority people i to majority of people i speak to feel same and the feel the same way i do, and the same do. don't same way you do. i don't understand this has become understand how this has become such thing why . such a powerful thing and why. it is now so difficult to unpick it and bring it back to reality. and i think there's a number of factors. >> it's such great question. >> it's such a great question. there behind the there is the power behind the medical side of it and the big pharma side, because when you start trancing, you know, ten, 11, 12 year olds and even

11,12 year olds and even youngen 11,12 year olds and even younger, they need to go on puberty blockers and they will be on hormones for life. so big pharma are benefiting from this . pharma are benefiting from this. the surgeons are bending , the surgeons are bending, benefiting from the top and bottom surgery . and what's bottom surgery. and what's shocking is you see online in young children, young girls have had healthy breasts taken off because they bought into this and their parents have of thought. this is the kind thing to do to allow my child to transition when the kind thing to do as a cash review showed, is explore more. is to explore more. >> what are the comorbidities ? >> what are the comorbidities? >> what are the comorbidities? >> because the fascinating thing about the cash review was 70% of the children who were pushed to gender identity services had five or more comorbid cities along with them saying, i'm confused about my gender. they were depressed or anxious or had eating disorders or had neurodiversity, autistic neurodiversity, or were autistic . all these things need exploring because maybe that's what they're unhappy about. that they feel a bit different. but they're just a bit different as a boy or a girl, they're not a

bit different than they need to change and gender, you know? change sex and gender, you know? >> but there will be surgeons and psychologists and people who are doing this genuinely believing that they're being kind and helpful . so i think it, kind and helpful. so i think it, you know, it's unfair to label everybody with a brush that is all big pharma. and there there'll who there'll be people who think they're helping, absolutely . they're helping, but absolutely. but you're right. think the but you're right. i think the reality be is that that person who has had all this thing done to is going to have deal to them is going to have to deal with spoke brianna with it. and i spoke to brianna ivy. she is a trans woman, but she now accepts that there's no way she could ever be a woman. and accepts that she's trans and that you know, if she could turn back would . back the clock, she would. >> that's the sad case. >> and that's the sad case. detransitioners coming out detransitioners are coming out and speaking out much more. and right now in america , because of right now in america, because of all the lawsuits they're bringing , like 13, 14,15 year bringing, like 13, 14, 15 year olds who had healthy breast tissue removed or other surgical procedures as they are now. you know , the insurance companies know, the insurance companies are looking very closely, and thatis

are looking very closely, and that is a good thing. >> yeah, the insurance companies don't want to pay those bills. >> children can't >> then those children can't have surgeries . when have these surgeries. and when they're want to have they're older, they want to have surgeries they're an adult. surgeries when they're an adult. i'm stopping anyone. yeah, i'm not stopping anyone. yeah, that's to them. i'm not stopping anyone. yeah, tha do to them. i'm not stopping anyone. yeah, tha do what them. i'm not stopping anyone. yeah, tha do what you n. i'm not stopping anyone. yeah, tha do what you like when you get >> do what you like when you get to adulthood, know, your to adulthood, you know, do your bodies for do what you bodies for you to do what you want. it is. want. and of course, it is. but as unable to as a child, you're unable to make that because what make that decision because what do you know about what a man is and what a woman is in terms of the gender stereotype? because it that. it's simply it is exactly that. it's simply a stereotype. not the a stereotype. it's not the reality is the biology, the stereotype and don't stereotype is, and i don't believe you know, a man and believe that you know, a man and a woman and gender, i think separating them just nonsense separating them is just nonsense , know, you can , you know, because you can i think either get rid of the identity of it and just really work with the reality. >> yeah, as i said, i'm a purist and need it root and and we need to take it root and branch out of the school system so adults who want to do so that adults who want to do whatever do , fine, whatever they want to do, fine, as they don't come into as long as they don't come into women's . had that as long as they don't come into wom before . had that as long as they don't come into wom before , . had that as long as they don't come into wom before , but. had that as long as they don't come into wom before , but that had that as long as they don't come into wom before , but that children 1at chat before, but that children are safeguarded and protected from this confusion. >> yeah, yeah . well, listen, >> yeah, yeah. well, listen,

i've got to say, pam, it's such a pleasure to get time to actually talk about you for a decent period of time to discuss this as well. and very briefly, with regard to people over christmas. there'll be some people psychologically worried about this because they're on their own, or they think everyone else is having a great time. >> there are lots of there are lots of services. >> there are just google loneliness online. >> there are just google loneliyou're nline. >> there are just google loneliyou're going to be your own. >> e. y are a y- e— >> there are a lot of organisations have things organisations that have things planned churches, planned and local churches, wherever your place of worship is, know, connecting with is, you know, connecting with maybe think maybe colleagues, you think might reach out and might be lonely, reach out and say . you know, just give say hello. you know, just give them that say are you on your own year? own this year? >> come around mine boxing >> maybe come around mine boxing day, or day, if not christmas or something . something. >> doctor pam spur, >> we love it. doctor pam spur, thank much. we will talk thank you so much. we will talk again with regard all again with regard to all of that. pam spurr. again with regard to all of that. a pam spurr. again with regard to all of that. a psychologist’am spurr. again with regard to all of that. a psychologist and spurr. again with regard to all of that. a psychologist and social she's a psychologist and social commentator. right. well lots of you getting touch. you have been getting in touch. let's been let's see what you've been saying . uh, james says someone saying. uh, james says someone at my school , this is course, at my school, this is of course, we've about the we've been talking about the trans there's trans identity. and now there's someone school identified someone at my school identified as and our teacher said as a jelly. and our teacher said that had to comply with it.

that we had to comply with it. what? oh, goodness sake, alexander says we must respect people's gender identities. various medical institutions recognise them, and so we should follow the science. yeah, but the science is actually biological, biological, gender, not a gender identity that's in your brain or your head that you think you are, or a narrative that you've created, that you think a woman is. because if you look at it sometimes, i think a lot these dress in lot of these people dress up in make lipstick that make up and lipstick and that becomes woman, becomes that they're a woman, and that's not that's not the reality. says supporting reality. angela says supporting trans it's endorsing it. reality. angela says supporting trans it's endorsing it . the biology, it's endorsing it. the science backs up trans identities, as do doctors. well no, no one's saying that the trans identity and somebody can't as trans . what can't identify as trans. what we're saying is that if you are a are biological man. a man, you are a biological man. if woman , you're if you're a woman, you're a biological and the biological woman. and the science that it can science backs that up, it can affirm a gender identity. if someone wants to identify as it. but the trans can be a identity in itself. but you don't then become a woman. if you're a trans woman, you're still a trans woman, you're still a trans woman, you're still a

trans woman or a trans man, which makes you biologically a woman. but thank you for that, ross i respect anyone's ross says. i respect anyone's right however they right to identify however they please shouldn't be please, but it shouldn't be pushed onto children . and with pushed onto children. and with that, i wholeheartedly concur. absolutely identifies you like, but don't sell it to the kids as though the trans identity in terms of biology is a real identity. it's not it's not a biological thing. a biological thing is a man and a woman. well, listen, keep your messages coming. gb views gb news. com or tweet at gb news. on the way, tweet me at gb news. on the way, my monologue. i mean, can you believe it? asylum seekers are taking and going home. taking flights and going home. yes, back to where they came from for christmas. well, listen , keep those views coming. but up next, of course, lots to talk about. stay tuned. dougie beattie is here with more on christmas in my fire defence. >> i'm afraid the plans that we've made walking in a winter wonderland check in at belfast

international airport destination the arctic circle and some very special passengers are on their way to meet santa . are on their way to meet santa. >> oh it's amazing. it's an amazing opportunity for all the kids . they be together and kids. they be together and hopefully they'll make lots of friends as well. you know, for a long time going forward. >> was there much sleep last night? absolutely none. >> none for the parents anyway. i'm afraid to. sleeping in. >> this is your first tango with the sea santa . the sea santa. >> it is? yes. we were supposed to year, the whole to go last year, but the whole family took covid a couple of days before we were due to go, so we didn't get so unfortunately we didn't get to um, we're extremely lucky so unfortunately we didn't get to we've we're extremely lucky so unfortunately we didn't get to we've we'reasked nely lucky so unfortunately we didn't get to we've we're asked to ly lucky so unfortunately we didn't get to we've we're asked to go ucky so unfortunately we didn't get to we've we'reasked to go this that we've been asked to go this year well . had a sick girl year as well. we had a sick girl on sunday, we sure on sunday, so we weren't sure where were to make it where we were going to make it at all, actually. so, yeah, at all, actually. so, uh, yeah, very night . very excited last night. >> are you looking forward to going to see santa today? yes. where you going? north pole . where are you going? north pole. >> the whole has to be >> the whole trip has to be completed in one day. and the plane has medical professionals

on board, but also some skilled pilots that can land in subzero conditions . how hard is it to conditions. how hard is it to fly a plane in those conditions and landed there? >> uh, it has its challenges, but we're well planned for it. it's a real privilege to be here and take the children up to lapland. and i hope they have a fantastic time. after spending time in the snow, the children catch up with santa and the big man hopes that those in the uk are safely tucked up and asleep on christmas eve. >> oh, i hope that they are sleeping . sleeping. >> but most many of them are. they have told me that they will not go and sleep on the christmas eve because they try to figure out how i come through the chimney . yes, but normally the chimney. yes, but normally they are sleeping . and then of they are sleeping. and then of course they are living a nice cookies for me. me and spice.

and then, uh, carrot for my rudolph. yes this trip is about memories and giving parents a well earned rest . well earned rest. >> it is difficult . well earned rest. >> it is difficult. um, but he's such a trooper . any time >> it is difficult. um, but he's such a trooper. any time he's >> it is difficult. um, but he's such a trooper. anytime he's in such a trooper. any time he's in hospital. uh it doesn't bother him at all. and he just gets on with everything. so so, um, he makes it easier on us as a family. >> it's. it's very difficult every day. and, you know, even looking around us today, i'm sure, you know, there's a lot of people positions . people in similar positions. and, um, that's what makes days like extra bit special like this that extra bit special . um, because making memories is . the uh, the one of the most important things in our lives. um, and we're hoping that today will be one of the best memories that we'll ever make i that we'll ever make with i dougie beattie lap band . dougie beattie gb news lap band. >> oh, it's lovely, isn't it? oh, listen to coming up. i'll be joined by my amazing panel, lizzie cundy and danny kelly, who's usually on a sunday. but up next, it's my monologue on the migrant crisis. can you believe migrants or asylum seekers are actually checking

out, taking flights back to where they say they're fleeing from so they can see their families for christmas ? families for christmas? unbelievable. stay tuned. that's on the way. next. but first, let's get an update with your weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , the sponsors of weather solar, the sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news weather. i'm ellie glaisyer. it's remaining unsettled as we go through the rest of the weekend and in towards christmas day. but temperatures generally remaining above for the time of above average for the time of yeah above average for the time of year. due to high year. this is due to high pressure warm air up pressure bringing warm air up from south, but low pressure from the south, but low pressure sits northwest , sits up towards the northwest, bringing frontal across bringing frontal systems across the bringing plenty of wet the uk bringing plenty of wet and windy weather, particularly to parts of scotland to western parts of scotland through the of saturday and through the rest of saturday and then later into christmas eve. on for western parts of wales. we could see up to 80mm of rain here, generally remaining very cloudy elsewhere, although perhaps clearer spells perhaps some clearer spells across scotland . but

across parts of scotland. but blustery in and blustery showers pushing in and generally remaining mild across the board into the start of christmas eve, perhaps even around 11 degrees across around 11 or 12 degrees across the so a cloudy, damp and the south. so a cloudy, damp and mild start to christmas eve across much of england and wales, with rain pushing its way eastwards through the eastwards as we go through the day blustery showers continue day, blustery showers continue across of scotland, these across parts of scotland, these perhaps turning wintry over any high ground remaining very high ground and remaining very windy too for scotland and northern england. we could see gusts miles an hour, gusts up to 70 miles an hour, perhaps some perhaps bringing some tricky driving . another mild driving conditions. another mild day around 12 or 13 degrees. but those winds taking the those strong winds taking the notch temperatures , notch off those temperatures, christmas much of the christmas day looks much of the same for the southern half of the rain pushes the uk. heavy rain pushes in from as we go through from the west as we go through into christmas day. afternoon there might be some brighter spells for scotland spells though, for scotland and northern spells though, for scotland and northewintry showers here some wintry showers here too. boxy day looks a bit drier and brighter, but further wet and windy weather is on the way later in the week that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news .

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news with sophia. thank. you. >> nana. >> nana. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> it's 4:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. hundreds of pro—palestinian protesters are rallying in central london now . rallying in central london now. cease fire now ceasefire now . cease fire now ceasefire now. >> cease fire now . >> cease fire now. >> cease fire now. >> they're urging christmas shoppers to boycott what they say are pro—israel brands traffic on oxford street was brought to a standstill as crowds chanted don't fund genocide. >> security guards blocked the entrance to fashion shop zara , entrance to fashion shop zara, while dozens of officers followed the march , which moved followed the march, which moved on to another area . police say on to another area. police say no arrests have been made today . no arrests have been made today. is being dubbed super saturday tipped to be the busiest in—store shopping day of the year last year, shoppers were said to have spent over £1.5 million buying last minute christmas gifts . the great christmas gifts. the great christmas gifts. the great christmas getaway is well underway, with travellers facing delays on road and by rail. the aa says it's the busiest day of the pre—christmas period, with

an expected 16.5 million extra cars on the road . train cars on the road. train passengers have been dealing with cancellations, more disruption is expected tomorrow, with london's king's cross and paddington stations closing for engineering works. travel expert simon calder says people need to plan their journeys carefully. >> so let's start at london paddington because we know that all the trains are going to stop as from late tonight. there won't be any until the 28th of december. we are seeing train cancellations to bristol, to cardiff and coming back in the opposite direction due to shortage of train crew. the north of england is going to be even worse. northern trains has said. do not travel . on some of said. do not travel. on some of our key routes. we won't have any trains, we can't get the staff to run them . staff to run them. >> the father of a four year old boy who was stabbed in east london, has paid tribute to his son, koby macaraya dooley was found with knife injuries at a home in hackney on wednesday and later died in hospital. his dad

says he'll be dearly missed and that the joy and laughter he brought to the world was taken too his his mother, keziah too soon. his his mother, keziah macaraya , has been charged with macaraya, has been charged with his murder and is due to appear in court on thursday, may. bells rang across the czech republic and flags are flying at half mast as the nation holds a day of mourning for the victims of a mass shooting . mass shooting. >> the noose they are putting . >> the noose they are putting. >> the noose they are putting. >> a service was held at saint vitus cathedral at the prague castle , ahead of a minute of castle, ahead of a minute of silence at charles university, where a gunman killed 14 people. the country's president, along with members of the public, have been lighting candles and paying their respects at a memorial . their respects at a memorial. police working to police are still working to establish a motive for the attack . the london mayor is attack. the london mayor is calling on the government to help provide aid to ukraine by sending vehicles that would ordinarily be scrapped under the ulez scheme . sadiq khan has ulez scheme. sadiq khan has asked transport secretary to

asked the transport secretary to enable those in the enable those living in the capital to donate their vehicles under scrappage scheme. under the scrappage scheme. londoners cars that fall londoners with cars that fall foul standards can foul of emission standards can claim up to £2,000 when they're non—compliant. vehicles are scrapped . history has been made scrapped. history has been made with rebekah welch, the first woman to ever referee a premier league match. the 40 year old is taking charge of the fulham burnley game. she began refereeing in 2010 and in january became the first female to officiate a men's championship match. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now let's return to . nana thank you sophia. >> it's fast approaching five minutes after 4:00. this is gb views on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . digital radio. i'm nana akua. you couldn't make this up as

asylum seekers have been stopped at airports in the uk trying to go back to the country that their apparently fleeing in order to see their relatives at christmas . now, order to see their relatives at christmas. now, i order to see their relatives at christmas . now, i thought order to see their relatives at christmas. now, i thought this was a joke when i first heard it, but no , sadly this isn't it, but no, sadly this isn't some made up narrative. it comes from border force chief phil douglas . who was talking about douglas. who was talking about how the border force carry out their outbound checks during christmas time, and he just happened to mention that this was going on. have listen. we was going on. have a listen. we do find a lot of people who, for example, have claimed asylum in this country and are heading back their country for back to their home country for holidays, which obviously isn't allowed . so that was him talking allowed. so that was him talking on lbc . so these are people who on lbc. so these are people who have come to this country to seek sanctuary and claim asylum , seek sanctuary and claim asylum, right. but according to the definition of asylum seeker and asylum seeker is a person who has left their country and is seeking protection from persecution and serious human rights violation in another country. but who hasn't yet been

legally recognised as a refugee and is waiting to receive a decision on their asylum claim . decision on their asylum claim. so if they're claiming asylum, according to the definition, how come if they are genuine and truly fleeing persecution from their country, why are they trying to get back there on a plane for christmas? it's hilarious. they're obviously not scared of flying, which begs the question as to why they didn't just take a plane in the first instance to get to the uk. why come via small boat and pay over the odds to take a trip via an overpriced, dangerous dinghy when the flight would be so much cheaper and considerably safer? why indeed hmm'hmm could. it could it be something to do with the hotels ipad cash in hand , the hotels ipad cash in hand, food and shelter? look, i'm not saying that genuine asylum seekers shouldn't be helped , but seekers shouldn't be helped, but the problem with all of this is that it makes things worse for genuine asylum seekers and creates a feeling of anger amongst british taxpayers like myself , working

amongst british taxpayers like myself, working hard to make ends meet. while many disingenuous so—called asylum seekers save the money that they're given by the british taxpayer to pay for a flight to go back to the country that they are supposedly fleeing persecution i mean, it persecution from. i mean, it makes mockery the uk. they makes a mockery of the uk. they must be laughing at us. it's actually hilarious. so what will the bleeding heart liberals see wokerati that gary lineker's make of this, eh? how can they defend it? are they going to carry on a pining for these people, picking on words like invasion calling anyone who invasion and calling anyone who dares to point out the insincere pity dares to point out the insincere pity of many of those who come to our shores illegally after chucking away phones and chucking away mobile phones and any form of id . so how will any form of id. so how will these so—called asylum seekers return to the uk? are they going to do the dinghy thing again? let them leave, but they can't come back. but the dinghy is just a drop in the ocean. pardon? the pun. don't get me started on our over generous legal migration rules. rishi sunakis legal migration rules. rishi sunak is also making a mess of that, softening his stance on

income required to come here. the target he set will now be incremental, so the full requirement will be applied in 2025. a date when he may have already left office as the likelihood of a general election before then as is the before then is high, as is the likelihood of him losing soft touch. britain here we come. we'll buy into any story of woe. it's pathetic . before we get it's pathetic. before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. asking , as doctors hour. i'm asking, as doctors surgeries close christmas, surgeries close to christmas, are never being able are you sick of never being able to get hold of your gp? does it make you feel conned? paying national insurance? and of course, this shows nothing without you and your views. as even without you and your views. as ever, do the usual thing with ever, we do the usual thing with our 450 it's raw our gb views at 450 it's raw round time royal round up time and royal biographer levin will biographer angela levin will be live giving live here in the studio, giving us behind the us the latest from behind the palace walls at christmas. stay tuned at five. it's this week's difficult asian difficult conversation. asian lady will be

lady victoria hervey will be live to discuss. that's on the way in the next hour. tell me what you think everything what you think on everything we're email we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. right. let's gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. right. let's get at. gb news. right. let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. danny danny. hey danny boy , welcome on a saturday. boy, welcome on a saturday. moonlighting on a sunday i know. and where's the gold? >> i didn't get the memo. i didn't get the memo. >> no. you know, my wife rang me on the way down she goes. >> dan, forgotten to get >> dan, i've forgotten to get your the panel, for your cards for the panel, for lizzie and for nana. >> i said, don't worry, they >> and i said, don't worry, they won't get anything. i walk in won't get me anything. i walk in within won't get me anything. i walk in witilizzie . they are dan. >> lizzie. they are dan. >> lizzie. they are dan. >> your card . and i've got >> and your card. and i've got something for you well. danny something for you as well. danny two nana jim dale. i something for you as well. danny two nana jim dale . i don't two nana from jim dale. i don't want don't you want it. i don't want it. you can . but it's great to can take it. but it's great to be here. >> thanks for inviting me. >> thanks for inviting me. >> thanks for inviting me. >> thank you so much see you, >> thank you so much to see you, danny and cundy, i'm danny and lizzie cundy, i'm going start you, lizzie, going to start with you, lizzie,

as what do you think as a regular, what do you think about this? >> they it's frightening. it's absolutely free lightning. >> what is going on? >> what is going on? >> i'm glad they're going back on plane they can stay on a plane and they can stay there they are, there because what they are, they're seekers . they're not asylum seekers. >> and let's >> they are criminals. and let's be about this. this is be honest about this. this is what's happening to this country. we're . only a country. look, we we're. only a small island. we are bursting at the seams. >> we can't do this anymore. >> we can't do this anymore. >> look, i mean, i've told you before, this beautiful hotel that's the village , that's near me in the village, it's full of military aged it's now full of military aged men. the school next door . it's now full of military aged men. the school next door. is so worried. kids can't walk past. parents are really worried. >> you can't go out at night. >> you can't go out at night. >> every of >> it changes every aspect of our lives and our village. and this just sums it up, doesn't it? nana. >> well, literally. i mean, disgraceful . it's ridiculous. disgraceful. it's ridiculous. i mean, danny, i heard you laughing during that. it is hilarious. >> well, if you don't laugh , >> well, if you don't laugh, you're going to because you're going to cry because they're taking the they're completely taking the mickey us, out our mickey out of us, out of our generosity , of kind generosity, out of our kind spirit nation . spirit as a nation. >> this very welcoming >> this is a very welcoming country . country. >> but you have people who >> but when you have people who arrive illegally

arrive here illegally and then because christmas, because it's christmas, they want they're fleeing want to spend, they're fleeing persecution . there is actually persecution. there is actually a clue in the definition. they are fleeing persecution. now, according to that definition, they are now going towards persecution. what does that tell you they're being you? they're not being persecuted. economic persecuted. they're economic migrants. something that nigel farage has been banging on about for time he for years. he's every time he says it, they throw the race card at him. but this just demonstrates , i don't know demonstrates, i don't know whether it's a minority. i don't know whether a majority. know whether it's a majority. but point but this just proves his point that they are economic migrants and fleeing persecution. >> well, they're brazen, they're brazenly going . to the airport. brazenly going. to the airport. yeah. and they've got a ticket and they're going to fly in a plane back to where it is a supposed to be coming. but they're supposed fleeing they're supposed to be fleeing from. going to come from. then they're going to come back afterwards get back back afterwards to get back their whatever their free hotel or whatever it is. of is. i mean, the sheer cheek of them honestly , is absolutely appalling. >> and i want to say to france, why giving this money to why are we giving this money to france? are france? half a billion. what are they actually doing as well? costing us 8.5 million a day to

house migrants and the barges still floating there, 20 k a week. it's a disgrace. >> well, apparently the barge is more expensive than the hotel. >> just a couple of things. also they've obviously got a passport >> just a couple of things. also th> just a couple of things. also th> just a couple of things. also th> just a couple of things. also th> just a couple of things. also th> 500. and it's it used to be a place where we'd have weddings , place where we'd have weddings, parties, events. and it was it was beautiful. a gym, was beautiful. had a gym, everything gone. >> see, the lineker's of >> you see, the lineker's of this will throw the race this world will throw the race card it's not card at you. but. but it's not a race it's the fact that race thing. it's the fact that there's lots young who there's lots of young men who have systems, have different belief systems, who treat different people differently to how we treat differently as to how we treat people and it's intimidating and it's not fair on women going home at night. >> the security aspect of it, as well . changes aspect of well. it changes every aspect of our lives. >> em- em— e not to say that >> but that's not to say that there people are there aren't people who are genuine, because there are genuine, because there are

genuine fleeing genuine people fleeing asylum. and say that and that's not to say that asylum seekers are all bad and awful. that's the point. the awful. that's not the point. the point is that some of them who are claiming asylum are going back they're back to the place. they're saying they're fleeing persecution from, and that they're to it, they're brazen enough to do it, which they're not which means that they're not taking this country taking us. us in this country seriously. and that sends a very worrying signal. but what i found quite funny that the found quite funny was that the chief, there was chief, the officer there was sort of slightly smirking as he was saying as though was saying that, as though because can't because he probably can't believe it himself. >> it is an absolute joke. >> they're taking the mickey. they are brazenly the they are brazenly taking the mickey out of out of him. he's in charge border force or in charge of border force or he's a representative of border force. keeping force. he's in charge of keeping this country safe from illegal immigrants, country immigrants, keeping this country safe from potentially terrorists, and there they are, hopping plane, back hopping on a plane, going back for i'm guessing what a mockery >> i'm guessing what a mockery of government though i'm sorry. >> what a mockery it's making. >> what a mockery it's making. >> i'd love to know which countries they're going to that would be interesting. >> get him on >> yeah, i'd to love get him on the show. >> yeah, i'd to love get him on the they're going to >> they're not going back to celebrate it's celebrate christmas. maybe it's the holiday season they the holiday season that they they whether you're the holiday season that they th< a whether you're

the holiday season that they th> specifically >> he said that specifically they're had they're going back, and he had to that that's not to tell them that that's not allowed, they're allowed, you know, so they're going not going back because he's not allowed. not. going back because he's not all(ived. not. going back because he's not all(ived. how. going back because he's not all(ived. how the sheer cheek >> i mean, how the sheer cheek of them, i mean, i have to give it to them. of them, i mean, i have to give it til them. blimey, you wouldn't of them, i mean, i have to give it til titem. blimey, you wouldn't of them, i mean, i have to give it til tit up. blimey, you wouldn't make it up. >> you couldn't make it up. no. >> you couldn't make it up. no. >> is a serious situation. >> we have we a crisis. we >> we have we have a crisis. we need our borders. need to secure our borders. everything said has everything nigel farage said has happened. everything nigel farage said has happened . and know the happened. and you know what? the whole laughing at us. whole world is laughing at us. >> to be fair, i think >> well, to be fair, i think other parts of the world are also this also struggling with this situation think situation as well. but i think others seem to deal with it in a more sort of, i don't know, a harder way australia are harder way like australia are quite about it. they harder way like australia are quite mess about it. they harder way like australia are quite mess around: it. they harder way like australia are quite mess around with hey harder way like australia are quite mess around with this don't mess around with this if they caught there. mean, they caught you there. i mean, did to watch, uh, did you ever used to watch, uh, what it called? was what was it called? it was a border show border force, actually, the show where they where you would see how they treat who have broken treat people who have broken the rules. is no two, two rules. and there is no two, two ways you've broken the ways about it. you've broken the rules. also, we've rules. that's that. also, we've got that got an industry that is literally this. you've literally enjoying this. you've got lawyers. had the daily got lawyers. we had the daily mail uncovered a whole thing that was going there, that was going on there, which was you've got hotels was terrible. you've got hotels who taking high prices and who are taking high prices and fees from the government because they get more. i don't

they get paid more. i don't think a lot of people want this to stop. there's a lot of people benefiting and there's still benefiting and there's 180 still waiting to processed that waiting to be processed that have for have been sitting there for years, have been sitting there for yeaand say send them to the >> and i say send them to the falklands south georgia, uk territories, get them over there and detention centres and and get detention centres and send back. send them back. >> get jealous . your hair >> don't get jealous. your hair is amazing. >> thank you. and i say don't >> oh thank you. and i say don't get envious although i did, i did call , i get envious although i did, i did call, i bumped into lizzy on the streets . the streets. >> i was watching the game and lizzy parked in front, said lizzy parked in front, said lizzy and she gets out of the car, fabulous. hair's amazing. >> she does look great. thank you right. you very much. thank you. right. well, how are you? you were right home. listen, in well, how are you? you were righ'discussion. _isten, in well, how are you? you were righ'discussion. you n, in well, how are you? you were righ'discussion. you know, in well, how are you? you were righ'discussion. you know, the gb the discussion. you know, the gb views gbnews.com or tweet views that gbnews.com or tweet me dougie it's just me at dougie beattie. it's just coming minutes after coming up to 15 minutes after the the people's the 4:00. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua coming up. it's royal roundup time with angela . she'll us angela levin. she'll give us the latest the palace latest from behind the palace walls lots of lots walls on the menu. lots of lots of stuff. uh, next up, though, worldview will cross live to los angeles and get the latest on what's happening. but up next, it's what's happening. but up next, wsfime what's happening. but up next, it's time for the great british debate. this hour. asking,

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pay, question of how much tax you pay, the structure of national insurance is almost from the off designed to deceive, right ? designed to deceive, right? right from the beginning, the idea is it gives the voters the impression that they're paying something specific into a specific fund. >> you talk to people now who are, you know, claiming their pensions and will say, i've pensions and they will say, i've paid all life. paid in all my life. >> and of have the >> and many of them have the idea actually their idea that actually their national insurance contributions are going into a specific pot and that simply, you say, and that simply, as you say, isn't the case. >> and so what happens is that national insurance one allows politicians to disguise the headune politicians to disguise the headline rate of income tax to creates a false impression that people are paying for specific benefits, that they're actually . not >> the one time i've tried to get something out of the nhs in the last ten years, the nhs refused pay for it and then, refused to pay for it and then, as as all of that, it as well as all of that, it basically means that it's another can another way that politicians can heap extra tax on working age heap an extra tax on working age people. so when they were thinking about the social thinking about doing the social care levy, the social care levy was in addition to national insurance . why was that

important? >> because only people of working age pay for it. so i want to scrap it for that reason and roll it into income tax. >> mhm. >> mhm. matthew >> mhm. matthew staton >> mhm. matthew staton i >> mhm. matthew staton i don't regret it. >> a single penny i've ever paid in income tax or national in either income tax or national insurance. nana. i'm proud to contribute to our national health service and to social care. what i would say is we need to have a big conversation about the state of those two british institutions, because after 13.5 years of largely tory rule with conservative prime ministers in number 10, the nhs is clearly not working with astonished high high waiting lists, social care is clearly not working, and that's having a massive knock on effect on the nhs. boris johnson stood on the steps of number 10 downing street, didn't he? he told us he was going to fix that. that hasn't happened. so there is a crisis here. it needs to be deau crisis here. it needs to be dealt with. i think the shadow health secretary, wes streeting, is that we should is right to say that we should treat the nhs as a service, not

a shrine that doesn't mean that it's not going to be free at the point of delivery. good luck to anyone thinks they can anyone who thinks they can afford their own health care when come through, afford their own health care when does come through, afford their own health care when does mean come through, afford their own health care when does mean were through, afford their own health care when does mean we have)ugh, afford their own health care when does mean we have t0|h, afford their own health care when does mean we have to look but it does mean we have to look very seriously at what's going wrong, and whether you think it's that, it hasn't been funded enough it's enough by the tories or it's poorly whether poorly managed, whether it's a mixture those things, it mixture of those two things, it has happened under the conservatives watch. >> mhm. yeah but you say that but let's be honest about where all of this sort of mess with the nhs really began. i mean it began under tony blair. he's the one that started messing things, messing about with it. and that's how in fact it probably even started before that. but i can remember very clearly tony blair had his hand in the nhs. i mean, am i wrong ? henry mean, am i wrong? henry >> i mean, i mean, it was new labour that oversaw the gp renauu labour that oversaw the gp renault zoe creation, the absolutely extraordinarily bad gp contract negotiation. >> but the fundamental problem with the isn't something to with the nhs isn't something to do with either specific party. >> it's the fact that the nhs is

theoretically an unlimited service therefore the only service and therefore the only way actually deal with way that you actually deal with that and ration service is by rationing in queues. now if national insurance, which is what we're actually talking about, was really a ring fenced fund , i actually think that fund, i actually think that would be much more defensible if it was actually a tax that you paid that specifically went to the nhs, like water charging, for that we for example. the fact that we now pay for water bills means that money, that an awful lot more money, not enough, but awful not nearly enough, but an awful lot gone into lot more money has gone into water infrastructure than was the was the case when water was completely as completely nationalised. but as it insurance, as it is national insurance, as a tax, notwithstanding the level of we pay. not disputing of tax we pay. not disputing that with the other speaker is a deceitful it is pretending deceitful tax. it is pretending to be a ring fenced fund for pubuc to be a ring fenced fund for public services. >> it is pretending to be a ring fenced pension . fenced fund for your pension. >> and it is not. it is simply in an rate of in truth, an extra rate of income tax. but it allows politicians to pretend taxes are lower. it allows them pretend lower. it allows them to pretend that making direct that you're making a direct contribution nhs when contribution to the nhs, when in fact doing neither of fact voters are doing neither of those fact voters are doing neither of tho because the thing is, i think >> because the thing is, i think a lot of people think that it is

mainly funding the nhs , but it's mainly funding the nhs, but it's actually supplementary bit of actually a supplementary bit of funding towards it and i think a lot of people are looking at this thinking this is i mean , this thinking this is i mean, matthew, you're saying you don't regret it paying any of that tax, appear to be tax, but they appear to be spending badly, even in spending it very badly, even in light of way it's being spent. >> rejigging national insurance and income tax and messing around with that is like, is like playing with the chairs on the titanic. there is massive underinvestment when you look at rampant inflation in our national health service . if you national health service. if you compare the approval ratings for our healthcare system under new laboun our healthcare system under new labour, and i'm no particular fan of tony blair, he made a lot of mistakes in his time in office, not least, of course , office, not least, of course, iraq. but if you compare approval ratings under new . approval ratings under new. labour labour to where we are now after 13 years of tory rule , now after 13 years of tory rule, i would pretty much almost bet my house that there is a massive gulf. people are really

realising now that it isn't working, and national health care service and that is not nana because of doctors. although i don't support doctors striking, it is not because they're not working hard. it's not because they're not talented. it's not because because nurses . morale is at because of nurses. morale is at an all time low. i think they're doing their best. although they're they they're human beings and they sometimes wrong. it is sometimes get it wrong. it is because it is funded because of the way it is funded and possibly because of the way it managed. i go it is managed. that's why i go back to what streeting says back to what wes streeting says he's be the labour he's he's going to be the labour health secretary, and it is refreshing to hear someone from labour saying we shouldn't be treating the nhs as a shrine. and the reason that is refreshing is because it means that he is going to take it seriously. he's going say seriously. he's not going to say we're do anything we're not going to do anything to because it's holy. does to it because it's holy. it does need clearly, need some changes, clearly, because it's not working, it because it's not working, but it also needs money. and if we don't, we're not as a nation, don't, if we're not as a nation, it doesn't need money. if we're not to pay for our not prepared to pay for our pubuc not prepared to pay for our public a nation, we public services as a nation, we won't get decent public services. however well it's managed , but it's not managed

managed, but it's not managed well and the thing is, i i'm of the opinion that it doesn't need more money. >> i think it needs better organisation because the more and more money goes into it, it's like chucking money down a black hole. that's what i'm seeing. what's the evidence ? the seeing. what's the evidence? the evidence is have you seen how much they spend on procurement of things that they could get much cheaply they were much more cheaply if they were to use economies of scale ? to use economies of scale? there's examples of there's so many examples of where they've wasted billions , where they've wasted billions, billions on nonsense . so those billions on nonsense. so those are the examples and they're all there for everyone to see. um, coming back to you, though , what coming back to you, though, what are your thoughts, henry ? are your thoughts, henry? >> mean , well, i mean, i, you >> i mean, well, i mean, i, you know, we've moved off the subject of national insurance, but i've covered that. >> so on the nhs, nhs is a >> so on the nhs, the nhs is a funding model, right? the nhs in large funding model is large part is a funding model is about that everything about the idea that everything is through taxation and is paid for through taxation and that limits. right in that model has limits. right in other systems, in european systems, they do deliver a higher percentage of gdp on care than the uk . higher percentage of gdp on care than the uk. but higher percentage of gdp on care than the uk . but they than we do in the uk. but they do people can do that because people who can afford it pay in part

afford it pay for in part towards their own care through actual real social insurance systems rather than the fake national insurance one that we have. >> the problem with the nhs is taxes are already incredibly high. >> historically, this isn't like the 90s, the tories were the 90s, when the tories were actually taxes actually keeping taxes low taxes are already very high. there's limited to raise more limited capacity to raise more of it. and again, because we have no mechanism for have no formal mechanism for limiting how much money care people get on the nhs, the answer is we limit care with queues and we limit care with waiting lists . that's how the waiting lists. that's how the nhs is structured and how it works. so yes , you can put more works. so yes, you can put more money it. money into it. >> again , why do we have >> but again, why do we have a winter crisis year ? winter crisis every year? >> nhsis winter crisis every year? >> nhs is run at >> because the nhs is run at very efficiently. there's very little system . but little slack in the system. but are to pay for are you prepared to pay for slack ? are you prepared pay slack? are you prepared to pay extra order have empty extra in order to have empty beds capacity? eight beds and extra capacity? eight nine months of the year? that's beds and extra capacity? eight ninechallenge»f the year? that's beds and extra capacity? eight ninechallenge posed'ear? that's beds and extra capacity? eight ninechallenge posed by'? that's beds and extra capacity? eight ninechallenge posed by ouriat's beds and extra capacity? eight ninechallenge posed by our model i >> -- >> well, m >> well, listen, thank you for your thoughts. that's henry hill, he's the deputy editor of conservativehome and also political commentator matthew staddon. much. staddon. thank you so much. right. let's quick

right. well, let's have a quick look you've been saying. look at what you've been saying. thomas it's time to thomas says it's time to privatise nhs . it's proven privatise the nhs. it's proven itself work time and itself not to work time and again, time and time again. let's the market do what it does best. simon says the tories have destroyed the nhs, underfunding it , it's got too much money. it no, it's got too much money. and now they want to sell it off to their mates. no, we just i think some of just want to be think some of us just want to be able a doctor able to see a gp or a doctor without striking. without all this striking. i mean, seen how it's mean, you've seen how it's going, keith says. i think there are some great parts of the nhs, going, keith says. i think there are �*thee great parts of the nhs, going, keith says. i think there are �*thee grerwho rts of the nhs, going, keith says. i think there are �*thee grerwho rts of amazing, like the staff who were amazing dunng like the staff who were amazing during pandemic, but it during the pandemic, but it certainly reform. we'll certainly needs reform. we'll keep thoughts coming . gb keep your thoughts coming. gb views gb news. com i'm nana akua. this is gb news live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming we'll continue with coming up, we'll continue with the debate the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. asking, you feel the great british debate this hour. paying g, you feel the great british debate this hour. paying national| feel the great british debate this hour. paying national insurance conned paying national insurance 7 conned paying national insurance ? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel ? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel. cundy danny ? you'll hear the thoughts of my panelstill cundy danny ? you'll hear the thoughts of my panelstill to cundy danny ? you'll hear the thoughts of my panelstill to come danny ? you'll hear the thoughts of my panelstill to come , danny ? you'll hear the thoughts of my panelstill to come , this danny ? you'll hear the thoughts of my panelstill to come , this week's kelly still to come, this week's difficult conversation . but difficult conversation. but first, let's get your latest news with sophia . news with sophia. >> thank you. nana. it's 430.

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appointments with family doctors are the surgeries are off the table, surgeries have said they can only prioritise urgent cases due to striking doctors. the first round of strikes ends at 7 am. on saturday, before the longest strikes in national health service history , which begin on service history, which begin on january the 3rd. they last six consecutive days . so the great consecutive days. so the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, do you feel conned paying asking, do you feel conned paying insurance ? after paying national insurance? after all, the tax that also all, it is the tax that also funds parts of nhs . let's funds parts of the nhs. let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined now by broadcaster and cundy, also and columnist lizzie cundy, also broadcaster danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. danny, i'm going to start with . with you. >> feel conned? i don't >> uh, do i feel conned? i don't feel um, one thing that feel conte. um, one thing that irritates me is when critics of this government and we heard it with the fascinating debate , with the fascinating debate, just say 13 years. it's just a lazy cliche. 13 years of tory government . first of all, it government. first of all, it wasn't 13 years. there was a coalition initially with the lib dems and by implication , what dems and by implication, what that means is that day one of cameron getting the keys to downing street, everything broke. i it's so

broke. i mean, it's just so factually incorrect. you know, it's demonstrably untrue. so over the 13 years, things , in over the 13 years, things, in matthew's opinion have deteriorated . and that's a great deteriorated. and that's a great opinion. but there was no evidence forthcoming. the evidence forthcoming. the evidence he could say, well , evidence he could say, well, look at the waiting times and look at the waiting times and look missed. look at the operations missed. but factual to but there was nothing factual to say. is why it's failed. say. this is why it's failed. and this is how we can fix it. and this is how we can fix it. and this is what labour are going do. so it's just going to do. so it's all just hypothesis and, and as, as thoughts . in the air. i don't thoughts. in the air. i don't feel conned because i'm in a fortunate financial position to be able to pay my national insurance stamp. i'm also in a financial position to have private health care, and i don't say this in a way of boasting, because i don't mean to boast, but i would feel conned if i was working all the hours that god sends and earning 23, 24 grand, which which is , i think the which which is, i think the living wage over 12 months. yeah. and not being able to get decent health care. i would feel conned by that. >> well, it's 33,000 i think is the average wage in this

country. so if you're earning that, you're paying national insurance, probably insurance, you're probably not paying insurance, you're probably not paying cover. insurance, you're probably not payithen cover. insurance, you're probably not pay! then getting :over. insurance, you're probably not payithen getting sick'. insurance, you're probably not payithen getting sick and no. then you're getting sick and then you have to queue, wait for how a gp? i mean, if how long to see a gp? i mean, if i would completely conned, i would feel completely conned, i would feel completely conned, i feel completely conned . i feel completely conned. >> and what's so sad? >> and you know what's so sad? >> and you know what's so sad? >> is 88. i was trying >> my mother is 88. i was trying to get a doctor's appointment because she's hurt her knee. can't get in, you know? >> everyone just don't get ill. >> don't h- mi- >> don't get ill. you know, because seen . and because you won't get seen. and i'm sorry. i don't know if you know national insurance know, national insurance will raise £172.3 billion. and raise up to £1723 billion. and where is this money going? i want to know what the government is actually doing and how it is actually spending, because i'm sorry , our nhs complete sorry, our nhs is a complete shambles. it's terrible. and where the money is going is, is wasted . the middle management, wasted. the middle management, the waiting lists . yeah, they're the waiting lists. yeah, they're getting mean, what is getting longer. i mean, what is really going on and it's a total reboot. i'm sorry. it does. >> is actually terrible >> well it is actually terrible because i went to see my doctor. i had a little rash on my neck. um, and i managed to get, like a video appointment that you do.

so appointment. so i've got a video appointment. um they have a triage thing that's online. i actually had to call say, how do call them up to say, how do i use computer because use this computer thing? because it sense. it didn't really make any sense. they so i did it. i got they told me, so i did it. i got the video which is quite the video call, which is quite good. oh, this good. i thought, oh, this is really they gave really good. and they gave me some didn't it some cream that didn't work. it was wrong thing. anyway, was the wrong thing. anyway, um, so back so i then tried to get back in touch the triage thing, touch when on the triage thing, they the spaces they said, oh, all the spaces for i just want for triage. i just want a referral my private we referral to my private cover. we happen other happen to have some other company, so, you so company, so, you know, so i wanted to just get a referral so i could go. you have to go i could go. but you have to go through said, will through your gp. so i said, will you stuff? so you give me the wrong stuff? so now to see a specialist, now i want to see a specialist, you can just fill you know. so can you just fill in the form and just send on in the form and just send me on my i'm fed up my way? and i said, i'm fed up with i wrote that there . with this. i wrote that there. okay. didn't get to okay. so they didn't get back to me all. and then after about me at all. and then after about four sent a four days, they then sent me a thing you've filled thing saying, oh, you've filled in the wrong on in the wrong form on the website. that on the website. and that was on the friday afternoon. thought to friday afternoon. i thought to myself, in there myself, because i'd put in there , this. i think , i'm fed up of this. i think that's . but but in that that's why. but but in that time, actually paid to see time, i'd actually paid to see a gp get the referral gp somewhere to get the referral . makes me livid. . you see, that makes me livid. >> livid. . you see, that makes me livid. >> and livid. . you see, that makes me livid. >> and someone.ivid. . you see, that makes me livid. >> and someone like my mother that all her

that has worked hard all her life and paid her, you know, income tax, national insurance, you , and can't get seen. you know, and can't get seen. i think disgusting . and don't think it's disgusting. and don't forget, approximately forget, we've got approximately 8 from the ages of 8 million from from the ages of 16 to 64 that are economically inactive. mhm. yeah. and aren't , inactive. mhm. yeah. and aren't, aren't actually i don't think there's a surplus of funds. >> you know again critics of the government leave you with >> you know again critics of the gov impression leave you with >> you know again critics of the gov impression that leave you with >> you know again critics of the gov impression that there's'ou with >> you know again critics of the gov impression that there's a] with the impression that there's a surplus of funds. but they're just it towards just not prioritising it towards the . i don't think that the nhs. i don't think that this, i think this government is fairly . i you know fairly skint. i well you know the nhs is overwhelmed with people , you know, there's a lot people, you know, there's a lot more people that have come into this country and i don't want to just highlight and target a particular if particular group. but if we, if we, if we face reality, there are more people now in this country than maybe we plan for. ten years and i'm in ten years ago. and i'm in business and you have to budget for five years about that though. well, my point is, is that the nhs is overwhelmed. that's because there are too many people are real for too many people who are real for too few doctors. >> but but that's you >> oh, but but but that's you say but then go

say that. but then when you go to someone the nhs and to see someone at the nhs and they oh no, can't they say, oh well, no, we can't do now. if you just go do it now. but if you just go down corridor and down the corridor and pay a couple whatever it couple of grand or whatever it is, got private, we is, or if you've got private, we can it then well, can do it then for you. well, that's point. but that's my point. yeah, but there's people, though. there's too many people, though. i many people who i think too many people who can't private. can't afford to go private. >> too people could, >> and if too many people could, can't afford to have knee can't afford to have your knee done, your beautiful done, like your beautiful 88 year they have year old mother, then they have to long waiting to go on this long waiting list. why waiting so long? why is the waiting list so long? it's too many people. >> there's not people. >> they. it's not, though, because that was because if that person was prepared is prepared to pay for it is my point, straight point, then they'd go straight up front the queue. so up to the front of the queue. so that there's too that doesn't mean there's too many that yeah, many people. it means that yeah, but don't go the front but they don't go to the front of queue. of the nhs queue. >> go the of >> they go to the front of a private queue. >> yes, but, but but again there are there aren't too are enough. there aren't too many there is many people because there is they same they sometimes in the same hospital a wing hospital we'll have a wing of that is the that hospital, which is the private will private wing where you will either private, private wing where you will eith can private, private wing where you will eith can go private, private wing where you will eith can go straight private, private wing where you will eith can go straight to3rivate, private wing where you will eith can go straight to that :e, private wing where you will eith can go straight to that wing you can go straight to that wing and so and there's somebody there. so there wing, not. there are private wing, not. yeah, but it may be part of the nhs. part of the nhs. no, no, no it's part of the nhs. no, no, no it's part of the nhs. are of the nhs. so there are parts of the nhs. so there are parts of the nhs private areas. nhs that have private areas. yeah. private wings and that means there are

means that there are, there are spaces if you're prepared to pay, spaces if you're prepared to pay, you're to prepared pay. that's that's we're that's the point. that's we're paying. other. paying. agree with each other. yeah. agree with yeah. no we don't agree with each because said each other because you said there's many people. there's there's too many people. there's not people. there's too many people. there's not we've people. there's too many people. there's not we've pe0jnet migration there's too many people. there's not that /e've pe0jnet migration there's too many people. there's not that /e've pe700,000. ration there's too many people. there's not that/e've pe700,000. ifion and that is over 700,000. if the waiting lists are so long, there and that is over 700,000. if the waitingbe;ts are so long, there and that is over 700,000. if the waitingbe toonre so long, there and that is over 700,000. if the waitingbe too manylong, there and that is over 700,000. if the waitingbe too many people. are has to be too many people. >> that is only answer >> no, that is the only answer is either too few, too few people. yes. >> if you want many >> if you if you want too many people, you'll but people, you'll get seen. but you've you're prepared to you've got if you're prepared to pay you've got if you're prepared to pay you're going to get seen. >> no, i agree, that doesn't >> no, i agree, but that doesn't mean too many people mean there's too many people on that wing. that side of the hospital wing. >> yeah, the side, there that side of the hospital wing. >> two 1, the side, there that side of the hospital wing. >> two 1, many side, there that side of the hospital wing. >> two 1, many people ie, there that side of the hospital wing. >> two 1, many people and|ere that side of the hospital wing. >> two 1, many people and too are two too many people and too few private few doctors on that private side, got wealthier side, you've got wealthier people doctors people and you've got doctors who immediately. who can see people immediately. ironically, doctors ironically, who probably doctors on the on the private side work on the on the private side work on side of the wing as well. >> that's it . that's the point. >> that's it. that's the point. that's the point i'm making. if you each other , you if we agree with each other, i we do. i don't agree, i think we do. i don't agree, i never agree. >> each other . >> we agree with each other. >> we agree with each other. >> you know, you can be ill, but you just have to be, you know, have some money in your pocket. you just have to be, you know, havmoney�* money in your pocket. you just have to be, you know, hav money you ney in your pocket. you just have to be, you know, hav money you completely pocket. you just have to be, you know, hav money you completely and et. >> money you completely and not today, tomorrow or the next day or just if you or the next day. just if you could schedule illness, could schedule your illness, illness six day illness after the six day strike, fine. strike, that would be fine.

don't they'll don't get ill. they'll still take from your take the money from your national fund all take the money from your nati(byl fund all take the money from your nati(by the fund all take the money from your nati(by the way. fund all take the money from your nati(by the way. but fund all take the money from your nati(by the way. but thisd all take the money from your nati(by the way. but this shows this, by the way. but this shows nothing and your nothing without you and your views. voices. their british voices. their opportunity show opportunity to be on the show and they think, and tell us what they think, what they think about the topics we're where should we're discussing. where should we're discussing. where should we i wonder we head over to you? i wonder if the there's no the maps here. yes. there's no maps, map. bristol, maps, no map, no map. bristol, let's bristol. let's let's go over to bristol. let's have a with leigh harris. have a chat with leigh harris. leigh. oh leigh harris, christmas , father christmas. christmas, father christmas. that was rubbish . leigh. the that was rubbish. leigh. the national insurance . do you think national insurance. do you think that just just just just feel a bit conned paying for it. >> yeah i agree with a lot of what was being said. >> um, it seems the more that we pay, >> um, it seems the more that we pay, the worse things get. nana uh, especially when you look at, you know, the current poor state of which you've of the nhs, some of which you've covered well , like, you covered really well, like, you know, i um, 0h, know, if i, if i want, um, oh, they're about 7.7 million people on waiting lists. uh, and that they are being made worse by the strikes. you know, if you want a gp or a non—urgent gp appointment or a non—urgent operation, you've got to wait weeks months, get weeks, if not months, to get seen. weeks, if not months, to get seen . you know, for me, it's seen. you know, for me, it's just got to the point where you expect the nhs to not be there

when you it, is not when you need it, which is not great, but nhs chiefs have said just in the last few days that the latest walkout, which they've just finished and the upcoming unprecedented six day junior doctors strike will directly affect patient safety , directly affect patient safety, um, you know, it's going to make , uh, waiting lists worse and could easily push the nhs into a tipping point over the next few weeks. i know we hear that every christmas, but they're saying that but i agree with that again. um, but i agree with you, nana. poor service , you, nana. this poor service, this clearly has very, very little to do with funding. uh, the nhs budget has risen more rapidly since we voted to leave the eu. we're spending 20.5 billion more on the nhs in 23, 2023, 24. that's more than 394 million a week by 2024. but we're still getting the second worst, uh, in terms of outcomes and saving lives out of 19 countries in a league table. um, and i think a lot of this has come because there is a huge

increase in demand . uh, you increase in demand. uh, you know, in 2022, we hit a record net high migration figure of 745,000. that's a city the size of birmingham added to the population in a very short space of time. and the health care system is struggling to cope . we system is struggling to cope. we need more hospitals, more gp surgeries, houses. uh you know, the numbers are pretty huge and we can't keep up with demand . we can't keep up with demand. um, i say just to finish on this, that we should look at places like germany , uh, where places like germany, uh, where the german system is better staffed and than the uk staffed and stocked than the uk relative to the population . uh, relative to the population. uh, it's still mostly free at the point of use. um, and it has much better results for patients. a serious patients. we need a serious rethink in this country. our system is definitely broken. >> i wonder if any of the politicians would actually be brave it and stop brave enough to do it and stop the service, because a lot the lip service, because a lot of giving that and of them are giving it that and actually about it . actually do something about it. and glad news are here, and i'm glad gb news are here, because i think before we started really talking about it, most carrying most people were carrying on with the sacred cow, uh, narrative . yeah. very true. lee narrative. yeah. very true. lee harris , thank you very much.

harris, thank you very much. merry christmas, thank you so much. >> merry christmas. >> merry christmas. >> fabulously harris. >> he's been fabulously harris. he's good, he, he's great. he's good, isn't he, lee? a great voice. lee? yeah a great british voice. be lovely. good. well . be lovely. very very good. well. we do, we lovely. what about you, danny? it seems that he agreed with me. >> uh, overwhelmed. >> uh, overwhelmed. >> and agree me too. >> and he agree with me too. >> and he agree with me too. >> people . >> too many people. >> too many people. >> too many people. >> too people. >> too many people. >> too many people. >> tuned. 46 >> well, listen, stay tuned. 46 minutes we're live >> well, listen, stay tuned. 46 miitv,es we're live >> well, listen, stay tuned. 46 miitv,es and we're live >> well, listen, stay tuned. 46 miitv,es and on ve're live >> well, listen, stay tuned. 46 miitv,es and on digital'e on tv, online and on digital radio on the way. and 11 will be live to give us the latest from behind walls. but behind the palace walls. but first, the weather. first, let's get the weather. >> good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news, weather i'm ellie glaisyer. it's remaining unsettled as we go through the rest weekend and in rest of the weekend and in towards christmas day, but temperatures generally remaining above of above average for the time of yeah above average for the time of year. this is due to high pressure warm air up pressure bringing warm air up from pressure from the south, but low pressure sits northwest , sits up towards the northwest, bringing frontal systems across the bringing plenty of wet the uk bringing plenty of wet and windy weather, particularly to of scotland to western parts of scotland through the rest of saturday and then into christmas eve. then later into christmas eve. on for western parts of wales. we could see up to 80mm of rain here, generally remaining very

cloudy although cloudy elsewhere, although perhaps some spells perhaps some clearer spells across scotland. but across parts of scotland. but blustery showers pushing in and generally mild across generally remaining mild across the board into the start of christmas eve, perhaps even around 11 or 12 degrees across the south. so a cloudy, damp and mild start to christmas eve across much england and across much of england and wales, with rain pushing its way eastwards through eastwards as we go through the day showers continue eastwards as we go through the day parts showers continue eastwards as we go through the day parts of;howers continue eastwards as we go through the day parts of scotland,intinue eastwards as we go through the day parts of scotland, theses across parts of scotland, these perhaps turning wintry over any high ground and remaining very windy too for scotland and northern england. we could see gusts 70 miles an hour, gusts up to 70 miles an hour, perhaps bringing some tricky driving conditions . another mild perhaps bringing some tricky driv around ditions . another mild perhaps bringing some tricky driv around 12 ons . another mild perhaps bringing some tricky driv around 12 ors . another mild perhaps bringing some tricky driv around 12 or 13 another mild perhaps bringing some tricky driv around 12 or 13 degrees. mild perhaps bringing some tricky driv around 12 or 13 degrees. but day around 12 or 13 degrees. but those strong winds taking the notch those temperatures , notch off those temperatures, christmas day looks much of the same for southern half of same for the southern half of the in the uk. heavy rain pushes in from as we go through from the west as we go through into christmas day. afternoon there might be some brighter spells for scotland spells though, for scotland and northern spells though, for scotland and northewintry showers here. two some wintry showers here. two boxing day looks a bit drier and brighter, but further wet and windy weather is on the way. later week . later in the week. >> honestly, i think rain . i was

>> honestly, i think rain. i was hoping for snow. this is gb news live on tv, online and on digital radio coming up in the next hour , it's time for the next hour, it's time for the great british debate and i'm asking, lost its asking, has christmas lost its meaning? but next up , it's our meaning? but next up, it's our weekly royal roundup with royal biographer levin

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onune nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio now. there's always something going on in the royal household. and this week has been no different. every saturday i'd love to give you a rundown. who better to do so royal biographer angela so than royal biographer angela levin? angela hello. you look so bright . bright. >> well, it's been so dark and grey that it cheers me up . grey that it cheers me up. >> that's one very bright red you've got on, but it looks good.thank you've got on, but it looks good. thank you so talk to me about the royals then, because i was imagining near was imagining that near christmas. bit christmas. this gets a bit quieter not so . quieter for them, but not so. >> not yet. >> not yet. >> not yet. they >> not yet. they once >> not yet. they once that's over christmas, then it gets quieter. >> but what's interesting is sandringham. they're all to off sandringham, but it's going to be different. >> subtly different from when the queen was there. >> one. >> one. >> i'm sure these girls are going to be very, very pleased. >> have to change >> they don't have to change seven times on christmas day . seven times on christmas day. they can wear their dresses all the time. camilla doesn't expect that to happen. she's very much sort of used to dinner parties and she's bringing this year her children and her grand five

grandchildren and her sister, who lost her husband a year or so ago . and it's going to be so ago. and it's going to be much more informal. they don't have to do. they can play cards and games and all that sort of thing . so i think it's going to thing. so i think it's going to be a much more relaxed and particularly the harry and meghan aren't coming . i think it meghan aren't coming. i think it would have been very stressful for everyone there . for everyone there. >> they've gone to costa rica with their children, so they will have nice warm weather, have a lovely relaxing time, but they won't actually have to disturb the royal family where they are. >> so are they all going then to sandringham? who's on the invite list? >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> well it'll be, you know , the, >> well it'll be, you know, the, uh , william and catherine and uh, william and catherine and the three children go , go. the three children go, go. >> and it will be. well, all the all the children and the grandchildren will come along . grandchildren will come along. that's what some people have felt a bit angry. is that they'll have to give up their

rooms for camilla's children and grandchildren, staff mainly, but actually , i think it's big actually, i think it's big enough and it'll be fine . and enough and it'll be fine. and they'll all go to church on. they get there, they swap presents in the evening and what i don't know is whether the queen liked everyone to give each other silly things, because she didn't want people spending vast amounts money, but now vast amounts of money, but now they can anything they like. >> i think so i don't think they will though, because it's you know, they've got most things that they want and they have that they want and they have that on christmas eve. and then they go to church in the morning . now, um, william , andrew is . now, um, william, andrew is coming , . now, um, william, andrew is coming, prince . now, um, william, andrew is coming , prince andrew . now, um, william, andrew is coming, prince andrew is coming, and his ex—wife life, um, there's fergie . there's fergie. >> fergie. >> fergie. >> she was invited last year by camilla and she hadn't been for over 20 years because the duke of edinburgh couldn't stand her and refuse to let her to come . and refuse to let her to come. >> so that's been changed. but i don't think because of all that's going on with, um,

problems that andrew's got, that he will be seen going to church. i don't think they want anybody shouting at him or anything like that. so i expect he'll stay out of sight and maybe out of out of mind. so i think it'll be it'll be very nice for them to relax and to become a family again and be with people who they support. and they can support, but will whom, of course, is facing a very difficult time with epstein , um, and that can all blow up because on the 1st of january or just around there , there the just around there, there the judge is releasing 770 names of people who got involved with epstein . and we'll have to see epstein. and we'll have to see that prince andrew, who is there and who else is there? there. you said william . you said william. >> did you mean andrew when you said andrew, you meant sorry? no, was earlier because no, no, that was earlier because you said. so i was you said. yeah. so i was thinking, well , because thinking, oh, well, because william's nothing to do with no william's nothing to do with no

william's nothing to do with no williawith nothing william's nothing to do with no williawith it nothing william's nothing to do with no williawith it at. nothing to do with it at. >> and i think he's been andrew has been trying to get back to do something to help with all these engagements that are needed to be done, and they don't do so many now. they're more focussed on big things rather than lots of little ones . rather than lots of little ones. and king charles has said very firmly, at all. and firmly, no, not at all. and i think is quite think this is quite good, because didn't know that this because he didn't know that this was going to come up and it's going to sort of roll on and on and another woman and on. um, and another woman has accused prince andrew of touching her breasts and things like that. so it's never ended. so although he paid out his 12 million, he said he didn't know her. million, he said he didn't know hen he million, he said he didn't know her. he didn't say that he was guilty or anything like that. this is going to roll on and on for quite a long time . this is going to roll on and on for quite a longtime. um, this is going to roll on and on for quite a long time . um, the for quite a long time. um, the one thing that might be quite goodis one thing that might be quite good is that amidst scoby scabies is going to live in los angeles now , he doesn't mind angeles now, he doesn't mind that he's burnt all his, um,

closeness with the royal family, and he's going to write about what is it making up stories. and i think actually he's done that now quite a lot. >> he's going to write about making up stories. >> he's going to write stories, made up stories. he wants to write that he's not going to write that he's not going to write about royals anymore . write about the royals anymore. >> what he's been >> well, that's what he's been doing that's as doing anyway. well, that's as i was saying. doing anyway. well, that's as i washe'sng. doing that for >> he's been doing that for quite now. yeah. quite a long time now. yeah. >> new? >> what's new? >> what's new? >> be he'll be doing >> so he'll be he'll be doing that at and out the way because the royals have actually not allowed him to go on the royal rota . and quite understandably, rota. and quite understandably, they don't want him around. and so that's what's going to well, he's going to disappear. but he might make another book up. >> you know his book bombed though didn't it. it did not do well at all. >> it's very well at all. ma >> it's done very badly. badly. yeah. it's i think it's 9000 here. it's quite good here. 9000. well it's quite good for ordinary people. i'm delighted when my books sell that. but you know, the last year freedom , um, year the finding freedom, um, he, he got you know, thousands

and thousands and thousands. and that was very successful . but that was very successful. but this one is very much like like, um, uh, you know, it was like what's already been done in the spare that harry's done . a lot spare that harry's done. a lot of it is not copied , but just of it is not copied, but just slightly manoeuvred and done very little of it is new or anything like that. but he's used the book to be as nasty as possible about all the royals. and so they're not going to let him get anywhere near he's burned his bridges completely. yeah so that's it with him and, um, uh , that's it. but i think um, uh, that's it. but i think that , um, the um, uh, that's it. but i think that, um, the space um, uh, that's it. but i think that , um, the space they will that, um, the space they will have in sandringham , they all have in sandringham, they all love it. and although last year it was so near the queen's death that it was quite quiet and everyone was sad and missing her very much . but everyone was sad and missing her very much. but this year everyone was sad and missing her very much . but this year they very much. but this year they can be a bit more jolly and happy and, um, princess anne will, i'm sure, be there. and she has said that, um, that she's very, very proud of

camilla. they were she didn't like her at all at the beginning. and now she said she's being a wonderful queen and a support to king charles. um, that she didn't know anything about it. but that's what she is. that's a very nice thing to remember. >> isn't it? lovely angela levin always a pleasure. lovely to talk to you again very briefly. what time is the king's speech? there'll be a king's speech 3:00 pm on christmas day. christmas day? time every yeah >> e! e- e to watch it after lunch. >> absolutely right. angela levin, much for as, levin, thank you so much for as, of course, royal biographer angela levin. right. we'll stay tuned more still to come tuned loads more still to come in hour in the next hour. the hello. good afternoon. this is gb news on tv , online and on gb news on tv, online and on digital radio for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. on some of the big topics hittthe the headlines right now. on some of the big topics hittthe wayheadlines right now. on some of the big topics hittthe way .aadlines right now. on some of the big topics hittthe way . my.ines right now. on some of the big topics hittthe way . my difficult|t now. on the way. my difficult conversation, victoria

conversation, lady victoria hervey will be live in the studio. we'll catch up with all things her, but then things roll with her, but then for great british debate for the great british debate this hour, asking, has this hour, i'm asking, has christmas lost its meaning? but first, let's get your latest news severe . thank . news with severe. thank. you. >> nana. good afternoon. it's 5:00. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. honey . crowds of gb newsroom. honey. crowds of pro—palestinian protesters are rallying in central london now . rallying in central london now. cease fire now . cease fire now. >> cease fire now . >> cease fire now. >> cease fire now. >> they're urging christmas shoppers to boycott what they say are pro—israel brands. traffic on oxford street was brought to a standstill as crowds chanted don't fund genocide , and security guards genocide, and security guards blocked the entrance to fashion shop zara, while dozens of officers followed the march, which moved on to another area. police say no arrests have been made . today's been dubbed super made. today's been dubbed super saturday, tipped to be the busiest in—store shopping day of the year. last year, shoppers

were said to have spent over £1.5 million buying last minute christmas gifts . the great christmas gifts. the great christmas gifts. the great christmas getaway is well underway , with travellers facing underway, with travellers facing delays on rail and by road. the aa says it's the busiest day of the pre—christmas period, with an expected 16.5 million extra cars on the road . train cars on the road. train passengers have been dealing with cancellations, more disruption is expected tomorrow, with london's king's cross and paddington stations closing for engineering works . travel expert engineering works. travel expert simon calder says people need to plan their journeys carefully . plan their journeys carefully. >> so let's start at london paddington because we know that all the trains are going to stop as from late tonight , but there as from late tonight, but there won't be any until the 28th of december, where we are seeing train cancellations to bristol, to cardiff and coming back in the opposite direction due to shortage of train crew. the nonh shortage of train crew. the north of england is going to be even worse . northern trains has even worse. northern trains has said. do not travel on some of our key routes. we won't have

any trains. we can't get the staff to run them . staff to run them. >> the father of a four year old boy who was stabbed in east london, has paid tribute to his son koby . zachariah dooly was son koby. zachariah dooly was found with knife injuries at a home in hackney on wednesday and later died in hospital . his dad later died in hospital. his dad says he'll be dearly missed and that the joy and laughter he brought to the world was taken too soon. his mother, keziah zachariah , has been charged with zachariah, has been charged with his murder and is due to appear in court on thursday. bells rang across the czech republic and flags are flying at half mast as the nation holds a day of mourning for the victims of a mass shooting . mass shooting. >> lucy carter . a service was >> lucy carter. a service was held at saint vitus cathedral at the prague castle ahead of a minute of silence at charles university, where a gunman killed 14 people, while the country's president, along with members of the public, have been lighting candles and paying their respects at memorial .

their respects at a memorial. >> police are working to >> police are still working to establish a motive for the attack . and police are attack. and police are investigating the alleged theft of a banksy artwork in south—east london. the piece, a stop sign covered with three aircrafts that look like military drones, was discovered at an intersection in peckham yesterday. less than an hour after the artist confirmed the installation was genuine. witnesses . saw the installation witnesses. saw the installation being removed by a man with bolt cutters. the met police is appealing for information on the incident and history has been made, with rebecca welch becoming the first woman to referee a premier league match. the 40 year old took charge of the fulham burnley game, which burnley won two nil. she began refereeing in 2010 and in january became the first female to officiate a men's championship match. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. and now it's back to . nana good

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engush joining me is my next guest english model, socialite, aristocrat and former it girl. she is the daughter of the sixth marquess of bristol and half sister of the seventh marquess and of the eighth and sister of the eighth marquess. how she keeps up with that. of course, there's got to be lady victoria hervey, lady victoria. much for victoria. thank you so much for joining me. >> that quite introduction. >> realise that >> yeah, i didn't realise that seven, nine or whatever seven, eight, nine or whatever business going that business going on. how does that work out? that's a workout. >> history. >> it's a lot of history. >> it's a lot of history. >> what's being >> what what's it like being a lady? victoria? i'm i'm a lady. >> you know, i would have. i'm the eldest of the current, uh, you know, so i actually would have been the marquess if i was a boy. but you know, that's annoying. the girls are second best. >> that's so wrong . they need to >> that's so wrong. they need to change the law on that. that's not still the way it is now. of course, one of the big topics we're talking to angela about course, one of the big topics we'iroyals ng to angela about course, one of the big topics we'iroyals ando angela about course, one of the big topics we'iroyals and one gela about course, one of the big topics we'iroyals and one of.a about course, one of the big topics we'iroyals and one of the )0ul course, one of the big topics we'iroyals and one of the big the royals and one of the big topics i know an topics i know you are an acquaintance of andrew, talk acquaintance of andrew, so talk to are with to me about where we are with everything, because there was something the papers the everything, because there was someiday. the papers the other day. >> you know, there there's been a things going on. >> you know, there there's been a i things going on. >> you know, there there's been a i think ngs going on. >> you know, there there's been a i think the going on. >> you know, there there's been a i think the media on. >> you know, there there's been a i think the media has been >> i think the media has been getting like super excited because know, there's these

because you know, there's these like 170 names or 200 names supposed to be coming out, but there's two jane doe's are still secretly. >> so these names are coming out for . for. >> no, no, these aren't anything like i. >> i literally think these names , names that are supposed to be coming out are just. a coming out are just. it's a complete distraction , an they're complete distraction, an they're just anyone that is friends just like anyone that is friends of a big businessman. >> like they had no idea what was going on. >> like they had no idea what wasso»ing on. >> like they had no idea what wasso»ing iis. >> like they had no idea what wasso»ing iis the jeffrey >> so this is the jeffrey epstein there's epstein thing. so there's jeffrey epstein names. >> i think it's all sorry >> i just i think it's all sorry to say, but. um these people. >> so apologies for the language. >> apologies for the language, but anyway, so what is really interesting is there are two jane doe's that are trying to stay out of it. well, listen, we can't i tell you, we know we've got to stop there because we don't know these. >> no we do. >> no we do. >> i actually, if i could have given it to you to put up on the screen, but, but but have screen, but, but but we have to be be careful. no. of >> we have to be careful. no. of course, talking this, obviously. >> seven is being represented obviously. >> siegfried. is being represented obviously. >> siegfried. is being represented obviously. >> siegfried. i thinkg represented obviously. >> siegfried. i think maybe sented obviously. >> siegfried. i think maybe theyd by siegfried. i think maybe they parted ways today, but i don't know.

>> well, listen, we can't talk too much, too much of too much, too much detail of that. so anyway, it sounds very juicy and interesting gossip. >> going juicy . and, >> it's going to be juicy. and, um, we'll see what happens. right. but i think the press is going off on this sort of haywire that , you know, just haywire that, you know, just because a name is related had a meeting of jeffrey epstein, it doesn't make them some sort of child, you know, like, yeah, well, listen, anything . well, listen, anything. >> well, yeah. well we do. >> well, yeah. well we do. >> that's ridiculous . >> that's ridiculous. >> that's ridiculous. >> well, you know what? obviously their legal proceedings go through proceedings will go through and we'll exactly is we'll find out exactly what is what crazy . but you do have to what crazy. but you do have to be careful these days. i mean, you can't. >> we to careful. if >> we have to be careful. if suddenly wants to pose suddenly someone wants to pose like a must happen to you as well, a party or something, >> you had a party or something, and we and someone's like, oh, can we do selfie or what do a quick selfie or what happens that that person could end some end up being like some mass murderer like ten years time murderer in, like ten years time and like, and suddenly, like, we're associated them? associated with them? >> do know, think more >> do you know, i think the more worrying that worrying thing about all of that is there's that deep is that, um, there's that deep fake business going on as well. i mean, if you've seen that i, the tom cruise ones are actually

really yeah, quite really good and yeah, quite frightening really good and yeah, quite frighteninthink , uh, all this a! >> and i think, uh, all this a! technology as well is really scary because people can actually call somebody and pretend to be you. and that has become like a massive thing that's worrying. >> but also, there was a deepfake that, um, of meghan markle and she was dancing, but it wasn't her. they'd put her head it, and i think head on top of it, and i think it was a scene of something like frazier or something. can't frazier or something. i can't remember that on remember the show that was on seinfield something where she seinfield or something where she gets and starts dancing. i've gets up and starts dancing. i've actually got it on my social media, with them. but it media, but with them. but it looks. but the point is right that people can that these days people can really . it's hard to tell the really. it's hard to tell the difference. yeah it is very hard to tell, but i'm not surprised that those two are not in england for christmas. >> that was. yeah, expected . >> that was. yeah, expected. >> that was. yeah, expected. >> and yeah, they've not come to england christmas . but england for christmas. but apparently there were the rumours trying to rumours that they were trying to sort reunite with the family sort of reunite with the family and it . do you know of and trying to it. do you know of any truth in almost been a year, right. >> it was a beginning of january that that his book came out that his that his book came out and, so i don't know

and, and um, so i don't know when the next book is supposed to be coming it must be to be coming out. it must be must be on the on the horizon. >> you think you would give up must be on the on the horizon. >>itou think you would give up must be on the on the horizon. >> it to think you would give up must be on the on the horizon. >> it to thinkwriting)uld give up must be on the on the horizon. >> it to thinkwriting)uld giforup on it to stop writing books for goodness sake? on it to stop writing books for goo he'ss sake? on it to stop writing books for goo he's in ake? on it to stop writing books for goo he's in a;e? on it to stop writing books for goo he's in a contract he >> he's in a contract like he can't, so he has to do it right now. >> um , um, have you been >> um, um, have you been watching any of the crown at all? >> i have, have been following >> i have, i have been following the crown. >> i think the that plays >> i think the actor that plays dodi amazing . >> i think the actor that plays dodi amazing. he's dodi is amazing. he's incredible. really. incredible. like he's really. yeah. it's unbelievable actually , i think the. >> i haven't watched any of it. i can't watch it. >> i actually mohamed al >> i and actually mohamed al fayed that actor is excellent as well. like looks just like him. wow. >> see now i can't watch any of it because i think it's for me, it because i think it's for me, it almost feels like it's slightly, sort of slightly libellous that you're, you're actually of actually making up stories of some people are still alive some people who are still alive and then almost pushing that narrative it's only narrative as though it's only a fun thing. but some people will take it as as though it's the real thing. yeah, i, i just don't get how they sort of get away with it, really. >> i know, because they >> i don't know, because they say not real. right. so but say it's not real. right. so but the way they've done the

character of mohamed al fayed al fayed, pushes his son to fayed, how he pushes his son to be with diana , um, and sort of be with diana, um, and sort of and basically they end up together because of the dad pushing them to be a couple. it is interesting, um, for what if thatis is interesting, um, for what if that is true? >> yeah, of course it's not. who knows? >> they he wanted that british passport and they. >> yeah. there were, there was that. >> yeah. there were, there was that . but you know some of it >> yeah. there were, there was that. but you know some of it is some of it seems so far fetched it's ridiculous. i mean some of the harry and meghan stuff i've heard far fetched stuff is, is true is so true because it is so far fetched. so for christmas then what's christmas? what does christmas you? because christmas mean to you? because we're later on we're talking about it later on in and i'm wondering, in the show. and i'm wondering, uh, means us getting uh, christmas means us getting together friends and family and enjoying and having a good time together. you do. you have children or you don't? >> no, no, i have a dog is my child and i'm excited because i am flying off to the sun very soon to get some heat . oh, and, soon to get some heat. oh, and, um, i think i'm going to be seeing lizzie there.

>> where are you going? oh, i see, yeah, somewhere nice , see, yeah, somewhere very nice, you know. >> some bikini weather >> yeah. some bikini weather awaits and, um, spending christmas with family , uh, in christmas with family, uh, in the next, you know, today and tomorrow, going to be doing the christmas thing. so, well , christmas thing. so, um, well, listen, it's always a pleasure talking you, lady victoria, talking to you, lady victoria, and you the year. and see you in the new year. >> well, yeah. 24. we'll >> i know. well, yeah. 24. we'll have to get you back on again. we'll about everything. we'll talk about everything. royal you're royal and everything you're getting royal and everything you're getyou royal and everything you're get'you doing? anything big this royal and everything you're get'jcominglg? anything big this royal and everything you're get'jcoming year?ything big this royal and everything you're get'jcoming year? have] big this royal and everything you're get'jcoming year? have] biggot; this coming year? have you got any right now? this coming year? have you got any like, right now? this coming year? have you got anylike, just right now? this coming year? have you got anylike, just i'm.|t now? this coming year? have you got anylike, just i'm. i'm»w? >> like, i'm just i'm. i'm working my brand at the working on my brand at the moment . uh, so set up my moment. uh, so i set up my bikini brand. i'll be wearing some of those. and on the beach next week, and, um, so, yeah, concentrating on that and a couple of other things and just fabulous. >> well, you've got the figure for it. i don't think i'll be wearing anything like that. >> no, you would look great. >> no, you would look great. >> you think ? yeah, maybe, >> you think? yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe i won't pose. yeah. you know what i find really annoying? when people bikinis, you know what i find really anniknow, when people bikinis, you know what i find really anniknow, when people pose|is, you know what i find really anniknow, when people pose on, you know, when people pose on, like, social media and they like, on social media and they go they're or. go when they're wearing or. i find that bit silly, actually,

find that a bit silly, actually, you're going to do that. you're not going to do that. don't okay? promise don't do that. okay? i promise i won't like the won't be doing that. i like the i do a picture. that's it. i don't do this. this is ridiculous. victoria ridiculous. lady victoria hervey, much. hervey, thank you so much. lovely to you. happy lovely to talk to you. happy christmas you . right. well, christmas to you. right. well, that's this that's lady victoria hervey this is news 12 minutes after is gb news 12 minutes after 5:00. up next it's time for the great british debate. this hour i'm asking, has christmas lost its meaning? then after that, my christmas quiz. you won't want to miss it

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britain's new . channel. britain's new. channel. >> good afternoon. it's 16 minutes after 5:00. this is a gb news . we are the people's news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's time though, for british debate digital radio. it's time though, for hour. british debate digital radio. it's time though, for hour. ei'm;h debate digital radio. it's time though, for hour. ei'm asking,:e digital radio. it's time though, for hour. ei'm asking, has this hour. and i'm asking, has christmas meaning ? as christmas lost its meaning? as we all scramble about buying the last presents and last minute presents and stressing over the turkey? are we in danger of forgetting what the of the holiday the real meaning of the holiday is all about? a chance to spend time with friends and family to reflect on the year and celebrate the jesus. celebrate the birth of jesus. remember him . but are we in remember him. but are we in danger of forgetting these crucial things about christmas? as it becomes more corporatized and a month long saga? so for the great british debate this houh the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, has christmas lost its meaning now? our london reporter hartle has been reporter lisa hartle has been asking people on oxford street what christmas means to them . what christmas means to them. >> christmas has normally meant

sort of basically love and peace through a harmony for everyone, but i feel at the moment we're in a rather difficult, um, situation . situation. >> family. uh. situation. >> family. uh . yeah. that's it. >> family. uh. yeah. that's it. >> family. uh. yeah. that's it. >> i think food a lot of it. >> i think food a lot of it. >> thank you . happiness means happiness. >> family. yeah um, just spending time with family and reconnecting with old friends , i reconnecting with old friends, i guess. yeah. that's >> yeah, i'd say the same. >> yeah, i'd say the same. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> um, spending time with family and enjoying it at family shopping and lots of cooking. >> i suppose it's, you know , >> i suppose it's, you know, spending time with the family. uh you know, just being around everyone know , enjoying everyone and, you know, enjoying it all. >> i suppose. it all. >> i slmention of baby jesus. >> no mention of baby jesus. right. so joining now is right. so joining me now is doctor gavin ashenden, former chaplain to the queen elizabeth ii, and gary mullen, chairman of the national jewish assembly. uh, i'm going to start with you, gavin. thank much for gavin. thank you so much for joining that surprise joining me. does that surprise you bodies mentioned

you that no bodies mentioned anything? there's biblical anything? there's no biblical mentions or anything within that. it'sjust mentions or anything within that. it's just friends, family and all that kind of thing presents . oh oh, we can't hear presents. oh oh, we can't hear gavin . oh, gavin, we can't hear gavin. oh, gavin, we can't hear you for now. we'll come back to you for now. we'll come back to you in a minute. gary are you surprised that there's no real mention of baby jesus and all the religious connotations associated with christmas? >> well, the most important thing of course, thing to mention, of course, is that was jewish. i'm that jesus was jewish. i'm chairman jewish chairman of the national jewish assembly, uh, i don't think assembly, and, uh, i don't think things have really changed very much since i was a child in that christmas was always a time for festivity . it's a season of festivity. it's a season of peace and love, and jews like to participate , at least in the participate, at least in the non—religious aspects. >> for example , we all have >> for example, we all have turkey many of us will have turkey or many of us will have turkey for christmas dinner and many of us will, of course, listen speech listen to the king's speech to the . commonwealth at 3 pm. the. commonwealth at 3 pm. >> he used to be the queen when i was younger, so we i don't think that's really changed. >> think? and because >> do you think? and because you're, you're a practising jew ,

you're, you're a practising jew, do you feel that we don't do enough to keep christmas really current and present in the minds of the british people and remind the british people this is the british people that this is a christian country, so they should you avoid should really, you know, avoid anything to anything that sort of tries to limit the terms limit or minimise the terms christmas that . christmas and things like that. >> very important >> i think it's very important that to remember are >> i think it's very important tichristian to remember are >> i think it's very important tichristian countrynember are >> i think it's very important tichristian country and ber are >> i think it's very important tichristian country and we are >> i think it's very important tichristian country and we do are >> i think it's very important tichristian country and we do so; a christian country and we do so we are a minority , but we're we are a minority, but we're delighted that we live in a in a tolerant christian country and we our role in helping . to we play our role in helping. to helping the cultures to get on well with each other and we also, of course, when we go to synagogue, we also have a prayer for king and the royal for the king and the royal family. we're much family. so we're very much integrated culturally, although of we're very separate of course we're very separate religiously. you should not be the two should not be confused. >> quite that >> yeah, i quite like that though. think lovely. though. i think that's lovely. that's the whole idea you that's the whole idea of, you know, different religions. everybody getting on well and actually celebrating each other's but it would other's religion. but it would seem people seem that the british people don't to really remember don't seem to really remember the sort of religious part of christmas. doctor gavin ashenden

is back with us. hopefully we've got some sound now. gavin what do you think about that? do you think . think people. >> can you hear me? >> can you hear me? >> first of all, we can hear you now. good. >> first of all, we can hear you noth, good. >> first of all, we can hear you noth, well,)d. >> first of all, we can hear you noth, well, that's a relief. >> oh, well, that's a relief. >> oh, well, that's a relief. >> that's wonderful. >> that's wonderful. >> well, i think probably the best into the conversation best way into the conversation is to say the tolerance is to say that the tolerance that we've just been talking about, , is, is dependent to a about, um, is, is dependent to a large christmas large extent on christmas because message christmas because the message of christmas is , um, there is a god, is that, um, there is a god, there's a creator. >> uh, the jews have set the platform for us. >> they've given us the language and the framework. jesus was jewish. and this god made us jewish. um and this god made us and loves us, and therefore , and loves us, and therefore, when he became a human being, he made humanity sacred. in other words, we have to treat everybody else as sacred because in the image of god. and this is where the notion of tolerance flows from. originally human beings, and sometimes not very good at it. but that's the principle that we aim for. and so in a way, as the tolerance is being stretched in our society and breaking down, it's really quite important that people get

reintroduced to jesus is, reintroduced to who jesus is, because there is no because otherwise there is no bafis because otherwise there is no basis for tolerance . um, beyond basis for tolerance. um, beyond what suits your own convenience. >> um, but those people that were questioned there on the street, none of them mentioned the birth of jesus christ . are the birth of jesus christ. are you worried that actually this country is losing its sense of christianity . christianity. >> yes , of course i'm worried. >> yes, of course i'm worried. we're suffering from a kind of religious or cultural alzheimer. >> um, where the what made us who we are as a civilisation. >> there's a great deal to be thankful for in western civilisation, particularly its sense that there is a struggle between good and evil and human beings have to be protected and honoured and looked after. i think there's a danger to that as we descend into a kind of marketplace of cultures, which is the meltdown of multiculturalism . um, there multiculturalism. um, there isn't anything to hold us together in terms of our values and so one tribe can be set against another, one self—interested group of the

rich can be set against the poor , um, and the christianity challenges that if people don't understand the wonderful reason why. and it is a wonderful reason , then there's a great reason, then there's a great danger that we slip into this partisanship and this primitive tribalism. progress doesn't always mean we're going forwards. we seem to be going backwards at the moment, i backwards at the moment, and i fear because the of backwards at the moment, and i fearreligiousse the of backwards at the moment, and i fearreligious memory of backwards at the moment, and i fearreligious memory. of our religious memory. >> we i can remember the time when they said they're going to take religious studies off the curriculum as compulsory curriculum as a compulsory subject, was quite young subject, and i was quite young at the and remember at the time, and i remember thinking , if at the time, and i remember thinking, if people don't at the time, and i remember thinking , if people don't study thinking, if people don't study that, get their that, where will they get their values from? will they know that, where will they get their value and im? will they know that, where will they get their value and wrong? will they know that, where will they get their value and wrong? and. they know that, where will they get their value and wrong? and ithey know that, where will they get their value and wrong? and it wasn't)w right and wrong? and it wasn't specifically the fact that it was christianity, fact was christianity, but the fact that system, an that there was a system, an agreed the ten agreed structure, the ten commandments and agreed set of beliefs that we would all adhere to irrespective of what your faith i noticed , gary, faith was. and i noticed, gary, you're nodding your head to that one. you're nodding your head to that one margaret many, you're nodding your head to that onemargaret many, many >> margaret thatcher many, many years to talk about >> margaret thatcher many, many years christian to talk about >> margaret thatcher many, many years christian values about >> margaret thatcher many, many years christian values a great judeo christian values a great deal judeo christian values a great deal. and it is very, very important that as greater

proportion of this country is possible , has some kind of faith possible, has some kind of faith , one of the advantages of people having a faith be it christianity or judaism or whatever, is that it creates a sense of values . and if you have sense of values. and if you have those values , it also fights those values, it also fights against criteria such as anti—semitism , because the more anti—semitism, because the more people have got faith and the more people have got beliefs, the less you're going to find problems such as anti—semitism. and certainly since the disasters of october 7 and the heinous massacres that took place that day, my group, the national jewish assembly, has been meeting far more and working some working far more with some christian and i've christian groups. and i've witnessed how the most faith adhenng witnessed how the most faith adhering groups within christianity, the ones who go to church on a regular basis, tend to be the strongest supporters of the jewish community. and the most pro—israel. in this hyaenas war that's going on. >> but you could argue that i was going to just say you could argue that actually religion is the source of many of these

wars, and that too , is true. wars, and that too, is true. >> um, but i'm focusing more on the values rather than than specific religious aspects and the values particular of the ten commandments, which is at the foundation of those values. and of course, jesus preached support for the ten commandments. it wasn't he . he commandments. it wasn't he. he wasn't, uh, not an adherent of them. and these are the basis of what mrs. thatcher used to talk about. >> gavin. >> gavin. >> well, nana, i wanted to say that although you said it's an argument, i think it's a very poor argument that religion is a source of these things. it is an argument . it's a bad one. the argument. it's a bad one. the 20th century was the most irreligious century we've ever had, and created more had, and we created more conflict for secular reasons than there's ever what than there's ever been. what religion does is it restrains the badness from time to time. it's failed , but it works better it's failed, but it works better than anything else. and one of the reasons why christians are so supportive of the jewish community is because the ten commandments are the most astonishing piece of ethical ,

astonishing piece of ethical, um, uh, gift that one can have. and we've been given them by the jewish community, and they require the greatest honouring and treasuring for that extraordinary gift that god tells us that he's there. he made us. he wants us to love him and love our neighbour. if we put those things at the jewish ten commandments gave us, and jesus preached into practice, society would be radically different and that's one of the reasons why we have to tell people about jesus and just one last thing . i don't think it's last thing. i don't think it's just a matter of people having faith. everyone's a faith. everyone's got a philosophy, but they've got there some bad philosophies there are some bad philosophies out christian out there, and the christian philosophy and the jewish philosophy and the jewish philosophy really very good. philosophy are really very good. they created the whole of they have created the whole of western culture and all that's good about it. we need to be much more explicit in explaining their right. well, thank you >> all right. well, thank you for ashenden, for that. doctor gavin ashenden, former queen former chaplain to queen elizabeth ii and gary eamonn, chairman the national jewish chairman of the national jewish assembly. well, lots of you have been your been getting in touch with your thoughts. you've thoughts. let's see what you've been says no , i been saying. gary says no, i think christmas is as important

as ever. uh, jenny, uh, christmas is no doubt a christian concept . and, um, christian concept. and, um, let's see. and christian and christian tradition , the key is christian tradition, the key is in the name . um, thank you for in the name. um, thank you for that, jenny. uh, ashley says, let's be honest. christmas has become a secular tradition , as become a secular tradition, as you said. nana. no one mentioned baby jesus. people are losing interest in religious component of the tradition . yeah, that's of the tradition. yeah, that's true, isn't it? and also , i true, isn't it? and also, i think sometimes not being unfair to some of the christian religion and the churches, but it's boring, isn't . it? sitting it's boring, isn't. it? sitting in church and the chairs are cold. it's a very stony sort of building . it would be nice, building. it would be nice, wouldn't it, if you know, lots of heating, a bit of gospel singing, you know, you want a bit that. think in bit more of that. and i think in this some of it's become this country some of it's become a bit formulaic and a bit boring, which is why a lot of people have lost interest. but if you just tuned in, welcome. it's 27 minutes after 5:00. i'm

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we're now beach fire. >> now ceasefire now . >> now ceasefire now. >> now ceasefire now. >> the demonstrators were urging christmas shoppers to boycott what they say are pro—israel brands . traffic on oxford street brands. traffic on oxford street was brought to a standstill as crowds chanted don't fund genocide. security guards blocked the entrance to fashion shop zara, while of shop zara, while dozens of officers followed the march. police say there were no arrests . meanwhile, today's been dubbed super saturday tipped to be the busiest in—store shopping day of the year. last year, shoppers were said to have paid, have spent over £1.5 million buying christmas gifts . the great christmas gifts. the great christmas gifts. the great christmas getaway is well and truly underway. the aa says. it's the busiest day of the pre christmas period, with an expected 16.5 million extra cars on the road. travel owners have been facing delays by road and rail, with train passengers deaung rail, with train passengers dealing with cancellations. more disruption is expected tomorrow as london's king's cross and paddington stations close for

engineering works . the father of engineering works. the father of kobi macharia dooley, who was stabbed in east london, has paid tribute to his son, saying the joy tribute to his son, saying the joy and laughter he brought to the world was taken too soon. the four year old was found with knife injuries at a home in hackney on wednesday . his hackney on wednesday. his mother, keziah macharia , has mother, keziah macharia, has been charged with his murder and is due to appear in court on thursday. an the police are investigating the alleged theft of a banksy in south—east london. the piece, a stop sign covered with three aircrafts that look like military drones, was discovered at an intersection in peckham yesterday. less than an hour after the artist confirmed the installation was genuine. witnesses saw it being removed by a man with bolt cutters. the met police is appealing for information and you can get more of all those stories by visiting our website at gb news. com now it's back to .

it's back to. nana. >> 33 minutes after 5:00. we are the people's channel. this is gb news. i'm nana akua right now . news. i'm nana akua right now. it's time to return to the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking has christmas lost its . as we scramble its meaning. as we scramble about buying last minute presents and pressing stressing over the turkey people in the shops though there's shops as though there's literally shops literally as though the shops won't open when in won't be open for weeks, when in truth, it's not even 24 hours. i fact there will probably be shops christmas day. shops open on christmas day. are we of forgetting what we in danger of forgetting what the meaning of holiday the real meaning of the holiday is chance to spend is all about? a chance to spend time with our friends and family as chancellor, reflect on the year celebrate the birth of year and celebrate the birth of jesus. remember him ? nobody jesus. remember him? nobody seemed to are we in danger seemed to but are we in danger of literally forgetting these crucial things? of literally forgetting these crucialthings? christmas crucial things? as christmas becomes more commercialised over a period of time? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking , great british debate this hour, i'm asking, has christmas great british debate this hour, i'm asking , has christmas lost i'm asking, has christmas lost its meaning? well, joining me to discuss this broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy and also

broadcaster journalist danny broadcaster and journalist danny . kelly. i don't know who to go with first. lizzie cundy. i'll start with you. >> i love christmas, but i think we've got to get back to basics and we have lost the real meaning of christmas. >> with my mum to >> and i go with my mum to midnight mass and i so look forward to it. it really does. and it just having family time. you know, and just remembering what is about. it's not what life is about. it's not just about buying presents and what am i getting and it's nothing to do with that. >> spending , nothing to do with that. >> spending, you nothing to do with that. >> spending , you know, time >> it's spending, you know, time with ones and i, you with your loved ones and i, you know, i really don't think that religion does cause the wars. know, i really don't think that reli it)n does cause the wars. know, i really don't think that reli it actually:ause the wars. know, i really don't think that reli it actually stops. he wars. know, i really don't think that reli it actually stops. as wars. know, i really don't think that reli it actually stops. as was. >> it actually stops. as was said before . and it really it said before. and it really it really does . and we need to really does. and we need to remember that. and i was so sad to hear that this is the first time in history in bethlehem they haven't got the christmas tree. sad tree. and it's so shockingly sad . but we are forgetting, i mean, now we're not even allowed to say it's a white christmas in fear being racist . say it's a white christmas in fear being racist. i say it's a white christmas in fear being racist . i saw fear of it being racist. i saw keir starmer calling it happy

holidays . he never did. holidays. he never did. >> he did? >> he did? >> yeah, and i've got him a present, actually, for christmas . got my backbone. i've got globsec. >> what are you getting him? >> what are you getting him? >> is that right? he said happy holidays. yeah. so he's not using the word christmas because for christmas. starmer. using the word christmas because for yeah,mas. starmer. using the word christmas because for yeah, i'm. starmer. using the word christmas because for yeah, i'm going starmer. using the word christmas because for yeah, i'm going starrflops. >> yeah, i'm going flip flops. she's getting. are you she's getting. what are you getting, you getting, lizzie? what are you getting, lizzie? what are you getting i'm getting >> well, i'm getting well. i could get things, a could get many things, but a backbone, fact, get him backbone, in fact, i'll get him a transplant . a personality transplant. >> great. a personality transplant. >> and great. a personality transplant. >> and i'm t. a personality transplant. >> and i'm getting wood . i'm >> and i'm getting wood. i'm getting a compass, getting a rishi, a compass, because lost way. because he's lost his way. >> getting some cuban >> i'm getting him some cuban heels lives matter heels or a black lives matter badge like that. badge or something like that. >> christmas. think >> or. okay, christmas. i think we need to separate it from what it truly means. and it's all about the birth of christ, right? well because there are two there are two ways to correct , but there are. two there are two ways to correct, but there are. i'm celebrating and celebrating christmas and i don't in christ. okay. don't believe in christ. okay. but i'm still celebrating christmas. so the meaning of christmas. so the meaning of christmas from someone who is agnostic , okay. not not not agnostic, okay. not not not someone who says that i definitely believe i'm definitely don't believe i'm agnostic about it or the meaning of different for of christmas is different for me, the meaning of me, as is the meaning of

christmas of the people christmas for most of the people who claim to be christians in this , lots of people this country, lots of people claim christians, but claim to be christians, but they're practising now. for they're not practising now. for example , it's great see example, it's great to see you're practising or you're a practising catholic or proddy or you're a catholic. >> well, mean, i, i, i am a >> well, i mean, i, i, i am a catholic , but i try to go when catholic, but i try to go when i can, but i do believe and i believe in prayer . and it's believe in prayer. and it's helped many people. i think it's helped many people. i think it's helped me. that's great to see. >> my pals who were british sikhs . i'm currently missing the sikhs. i'm currently missing the garages christmas party in leamington spa. okay. every year we have a christmas party and there sikh boys. now they believe in some sort of gurdwara or whatever, whatever. yeah, that's it. gurdwara. so they don't believe in jesus christ, but they are still celebrating . but they are still celebrating. okay. to steal starmer's words. these happy holidays. yeah and you can do both. you can you can still enjoy christmas. >> the meaning i mean, maybe >> but the meaning i mean, maybe the meaning might have evolved, but the meaning of it, the ultimate meaning and the reason why here is because of the why it's here is because of the birth of jesus christ. i mean, thatis

birth of jesus christ. i mean, that is the reason why, even if you don't believe, that's why we're celebrating. >> moved >> and why moved on. >> and why moved on. >> quite upset today >> i feel quite upset today trying to studio, trying to get in to the studio, maybe trying into the maybe trying to get into the studio today yet again. more protesting . and i know protesting. and i and i know everyone you know , rushing at everyone you know, rushing at the minute to the shops, the last minute to the shops, but close. but the shops had to close. >> think, yeah, many, but the shops had to close. >> of think, yeah, many, but the shops had to close. >> of the think, yeah, many, but the shops had to close. >> of the shops , yeah, many, but the shops had to close. >> of the shops were 1, many, but the shops had to close. >> of the shops were closed., but the shops had to close. >> and: the shops were closed., but the shops had to close. >> and ithe shops were closed., but the shops had to close. >> and ithe shthatnere closed., but the shops had to close. >> and ithe shthat isre closed., >> and i think that is disrespectful . all this is, it disrespectful. all this is, it is super saturday. it's time to be your family. is super saturday. it's time to be your family . and that's be with your family. and that's part of the fun of christmas . part of the fun of christmas. but very but i think it's very disrespectful of them just not appreciating our culture. >> mhm. >> mhm. >> but but but christmas just to go back to our little divergence of christmas i would of opinion christmas for i would argue for most of the country is not about christ. no i don't think on christmas the answer to the christmas the question is that christmas has for a lot has lost its meaning for a lot of yes, well, because it's the >> yes, well, because it's the meaning it, obviously meaning of it, because obviously the whole point it and where the whole point of it and where it all started was with the birth okay. so birth of jesus christ. okay. so thatis birth of jesus christ. okay. so that is where from . um, so that is where it's from. um, so that is where it's from. um, so that meaning of christmas that is the meaning of christmas , becomes something . , where if it becomes something. different to you, then in your mind it's obviously lost. >> it's it has lost. and then

we're losing our values in life. >> you know, interestingly, i drove miles get here today drove 96 miles to get here today . and as i drove through leamington spa and warwick, i was houses they was driving past houses and they were bedecked were just completely bedecked with decorations. with christmas decorations. okay, i'd say1 in 3 with christmas decorations. okay, i'd say 1 in 3 or 1 in okay, i'd say 1 in 3 or1 in 4 houses had fairy lights . houses had fairy lights. christmas stuff. yeah. driving down, getting off the a40, the m40 , a40, getting into london m40, a40, getting into london and i actively was looking for any indication of christmas in all flats in the all of the flats in the apartments i parked outside, hundreds apartments and hundreds of apartments and i couldn't see one fairy light. >> gosh. well, got a >> gosh. well, i've got a confession to make. i haven't put the tree up. oh no no no no no. but when i get back, i've got to go there. >> but i have to we're >> but i have to say we're losing meaning of christmas. >> and i find that really sad. and it so and that's why i find it so important actually go to important to actually go to mass. does make you feel mass. and it does make you feel different. you remember it's different. you do remember it's time and, you time for reflection and, you know, and so you can be kind of going into the year ahead. >> i think so, i think so kinda in the next kind of going into the year, going into the year. >> make a note of that. >> make a note of that. >> miss akua kind of to your

eye, listen to you. >> got nerve. have. >> you've got a nerve. you have. you well i've you won't be back. well i've just i've just heard three wise men, um , have given our home men, um, have given our home secretary a new book. >> it's called ideas that actually work. so i hope he likes it . likes it. >> bum, bum. well listen, this show is nothing without you and your views. >> let's welcome our great british show . british voices onto the show. their opportunity to be and their opportunity to be on and tell they really think their opportunity to be on and tell the they really think their opportunity to be on and tell the topics! really think their opportunity to be on and tell the topics we'rey think about the topics we're discussing i've got four discussing today. i've got four of start with of them. i'm going to start with alan. of you, three. alan. oh, three of you, three. who's let me down, right? i'm gonna start with you, alan cook in london. alan has christmas lost its meaning? well hi, nana. >> uh, well, the three wise men, the three kings and persia, you know, they brought gifts. one of which was gold . and you were which was gold. and you were looking fantastic in gold tonight, i'll tell you that for amazing. >> uh , it hasn't lost its >> uh, it hasn't lost its meaning . meaning. >> uh, you know , religion, uh, >> uh, you know, religion, uh, has been absorbed into culture in this country. people are less

religious . uh, and it's our religious. uh, and it's our culture, i believe, which is under attack . under attack. >> so, uh, you know, non—integration mass immigration is eroding our culture. and so commercialism , um, i think has commercialism, um, i think has been accepted . been accepted. >> that's now all part of christmas. it's part of easter. but we what we need is to protect our culture. and through the back door of that, protect our intrinsic local religion. you know, christianity . you know, christianity. >> we. have you been drinking, alan? you said you he's usually got a glass of wine with you. where is it? i know it's a cup of tea this time, but it's water. tea tea. just water. very sensible. right let's go to bnan sensible. right let's go to brian doogan in solihull . brian brian doogan in solihull. brian i'm just on water as well. >> nana. oh, yeah . hopefully, >> nana. oh, yeah. hopefully, hopefully, hopefully it will help the cold a little bit too. um, but look, um . um, but look, um. >> yeah. uh, but, um , i don't >> yeah. uh, but, um, i don't think that we've lost, um, the

christian christmas meaning at all. >> i don't think that people have lost touch with the christmas meaning . christmas meaning. >> think i think it's >> i think it's i think it's evolved . um, we live in a more evolved. um, we live in a more diverse world, and. but, you know, stripped down, boiled down, the simple message is, is to love. >> love your god and to love your neighbour. >> and i don't think jesus distinguished between our christian , our jewish christian neighbours, our jewish neighbours, our muslim neighbours, our muslim neighbours, buddhist neighbours, our buddhist neighbours, our buddhist neighbours, again neighbours, our born again neighbours, our born again neighbours neighbours neighbours or whoever neighbours . um, i think if we were to, uh, follow those two simple messages in our lives , uh, daily, we'd do in our lives, uh, daily, we'd do pretty well. >> i think your camera's got covid as well . the camera's got covid as well. the camera's got whatever you feel . whatever you feel. >> thank you very much , brian. >> thank you very much, brian. and i hope you feel a little bit better . all right, let's go over better. all right, let's go over to, uh, john ethan jones in cornwall . i haven't got my tea. cornwall. i haven't got my tea. i'm on water. oh, no. >> no. happy christmas to you. i've got the tree up here for you. >> i know you've oh, very good.

>> i know you've oh, very good. >> um. >> um. >> and. yeah i feel a bit bad sometimes. how much christmas is being commercialised, it's sometimes. how much christmas is be leastimmercialised, it's sometimes. how much christmas is be leastimmerciare ed, it's sometimes. how much christmas is be leastimmerciare talkingit's at least people are talking about know, about it. and um, you know, jesus is mentioned at one time in year. doesn't matter what in the year. doesn't matter what faith they or no faith faith they might be or no faith at it might make people at all. and it might make people think, so i think think, who is jesus? so i think in that sense it works. and yes , in that sense it works. and yes, it's probably changed from victorian times. but when we blend up our christmas tea, i think, over think, is this over commercialising it now? >> i think no, the victorians did christmas tea . did christmas tea. >> putting your mug, of course. >> putting your mug, of course. >> yeah . merry christmas, thank >> yeah. merry christmas, thank you so much christmas. thank you so much. thank you to alan. there brian. and also jonathan have a wonderful christmas there. great british voices. they've fabulous haven't they've been fabulous haven't they. they're always they. they always they're always there to give us their thoughts. and it's pleasure to talk to and it's a pleasure to talk to them. listen, if you want a dup voice to be a dup voice, not if you want one. go to gbviews@gbnews.com you want one. go to gbvie us @gbnews.com you want one. go to gbvie us ajbnews.com you want one. go to gbvie us a message m get send us a message and we'll get you right on to a story. one you on right on to a story. one that caught my eye today. whams last christmas has finally reached number one. more than 30 years after its release . last

years after its release. last christmas , i gave you my heart. christmas, i gave you my heart. >> but the very next day you gave it away. this is here to stay . be out of tears. i'll give it. >> but no doubt the question of favourite christmas number one strives. passions high. so what was your favourite white christmas fairytale of new york? or perhaps mariah carey's all i want for christmas is you . all want for christmas is you. all right, let's see what my panel make of that. joining me, broadcast columnist lizzie cundy, and also broadcast from jealous danny kelly. danny, have you got your favourite christmas pogues you got your favourite christmas pogyou know, the lads who died >> you know, the lads who died recently did everyone a fairytale of new york. yeah. did you see the lads funeral? >> it was incredible. >> it was incredible. >> it was . it was a stunning >> it was. it was a stunning funeral . i >> it was. it was a stunning funeral. i mean, it was incredibly poignant, but at the same how can funeral be same time, how can a funeral be poignant and sad yet also uplifting the benefit of uplifting and for the benefit of those it? those people who didn't see it? basically, lad there was basically, that lad there was his coffin. it was a packed church and standing room also

only. and outside thousands of people dublin , i think, people brought dublin, i think, to a standstill and they had a band, former band members and they that song live . they all sang that song live. okay, with all the beautiful instruments and everything. and it was just so uplifting. it was it was just so uplifting. yet was also so sad. yeah. yet it was also so sad. yeah. and that would be my favourite shot. >> a true celebration of life, wasn't it? >> that's a real i think his son was 2 or 3 rows from the front and i could see in his face because people were taking videos see this videos and i could see this young boy looking someone young boy looking up at someone leaning over, taking a video of the playing , and you could the band playing, and you could just see in his eyes. >> he wasn't sure really whether this was appropriate. that was just i may have just my observation. i may have misread situation , but misread the whole situation, but i thought it very beautiful. misread the whole situation, but i thought it was very beautiful. misread the whole situation, but i thought it was incredible.iful. misread the whole situation, but i thlizzie it was incredible.iful. misread the whole situation, but i th lizzie cundy incredible.iful. misread the whole situation, but i th lizzie cundy well,iible.iful. misread the whole situation, but i th lizzie cundy well, i'm�*.iful. >> lizzie cundy well, i'm going to say driving for home christmas actually christmas because i'm actually in the pop video this rear. >> yes. >> yes. >> so namedropper driving home for christmas. >> yes. i'm dancing with lionel blair. oh so many people. >> i'd forgotten what a namedropper. >> so yeah, sorry. >> so yeah, sorry. >> i've had a life . >> i've had a life. >> i've had a life. >> you have yours.

>> you have yours. >> yes. so, um, that my favourite. >> and be driving home >> and i will be driving home for because i'm going for christmas because i'm going to see my dear mother. so i will be driving home for christmas. um that's my um but, yeah, i think that's my favourite. and i love making the video. >> that's lovely. reminders. i'm dreaming of a white. can't say that. oh, i quite like i'm walking in the air. i love that song because it's such a lovely song. if you had to do it or it could be, um. oh, come or leave it. yeah, because there's a discount in it where you do your bit and i've got a few of them. oh, i like that. i like the glory one because mum's glory one because my mum's called gloria goes glory. >> it's a great song. yeah, it goes on forever. >> have to take a deep >> you have to take a deep breath that breath for that one. >> do you remember uh, >> do you remember that, uh, christmas little donkey. christmas carol? little donkey. little on the dusty road. little donkey on the dusty road. sing along at home. follow mary . sing along at home. follow mary. >> well, have you heard the sad news? >> like in a band. >> like in a band. >> mistletoe and wine. >> mistletoe and wine. >> they really are. >> they really are. >> oh. what song? because you're not allowed to have mistletoe anymore. the woke brigade have come mistletoe. anymore. the woke brigade have con greg mistletoe. anymore. the woke brigade have con greg lake, mistletoe. anymore. the woke brigade have con greg lake, i mistletoe. anymore. the woke brigade have congreg lake, i believe stletoe. anymore. the woke brigade have congreg lake, i believe inetoe. >> greg lake, i believe in father christmas. that's another

beautiful song that goes very high pitched. it does. that's a great . great song. >> i think you'd make a great santa you. sorry. >> it needs some yeah i'll >> it needs some hair. yeah i'll get you some. >> right, right. but now it's time for the quick fire quiz. the part of the show where i test my panel on some of the other stories hitting the headlines. right now, joined other stories hitting the herroadcaster|t now, joined other stories hitting the herroadcaster and w, joined other stories hitting the herroadcaster and columnisted by broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. lizzie, your buzzer and also journalist danny kelly. thank you very much. right so please play along at home. question number one you have 30s to answer this. what gift was given on the eighth day of christmas? time starts now. >> 067 turtle eight globsec a&e . >> 067 turtle eight globsec a&e. no, it's five five gold rings, gold ring . on the eighth day of gold ring. on the eighth day of christmas. on eight go on, give me one letter t. two turtle doves. me one letter t. two turtle doves . no, i me one letter t. two turtle

doves. no, i don't , so we me one letter t. two turtle doves . no, i don't , so we get it doves. no, i don't, so we get it wrong. >> danny kelly. what? what did you say? turtle doves? no, i think it's . i'm going to say think it's. i'm going to say i haven't looked. i think it's eight maids milking. oh eight maids a milking. oh i think no , no, it's swanson . think no, no, it's swanson. swans swimming. i thought it was seven swans a swimming. i thought it was seven swans swimming. eight made.com, eight oh, some clues or some clues. i'm right. i'll give you 30s. i'm right. i'll give you 30s. i'm right. i'll give you 30s. i'm right. it is milk. milk? i just didn't give you the multiple choice. i didn't see why i should. yes, but being very mean at christmas time . so very mean at christmas time. so i was right. no, no, you're right. question two. they got it at home. which of these is not a real reindeer? is it a dance to be cupid or c dixon? uh, lizzie cundy, i'm going to go for b cupid, is it? and you need to press your buzzer as well. nothing danny. >> uh, i think she's right. unfortunately, she'll say c, which is what? >> dixon. dixon >> dixon. dixon >> i think i'm right, actually. >> i think i'm right, actually. >> dixon. i think you might be

right. danny, it's dixon . yeah. right. danny, it's dixon. yeah. what kind of lizzie? what kind of a name is dixon? yeah well, have you ever said michael dixon, to go to dixon, i lost? i need to go to dixon's soledar need to be. i mean, don't cupid. cupid, but. dixon. >> dixon. well, i thought it was a bit of a, you know, boyish. >> so i wandered up. >> so i wandered up. >> yeah. did you not? no. all right, here we go. all right, so the answer is, of course, dixon. well done home. they well done at home. they obviously you got obviously got it. yeah, you got it. what are you it. you're like, what are you talking question it. you're like, what are you talkingwhat question it. you're like, what are you talkingwhat next|estion it. you're like, what are you talkingwhat next intion it. you're like, what are you talkingwhat next in wham's three. what comes next in wham's 7 three. what comes next in wham's ? last christmas, once bitten and twice shy , i keep my and twice shy, i keep my distance . oh distance. on >> multiple choices, that was. >> multiple choices, that was. >> no, there are no multiple choices. i keep my distance. oh, well, you can go there, but you still catch my eye. well, you can go there, but you stiltellch my eye. well, you can go there, but you stiltellch rsomething. >> tell me something. >> tell me something. >> you recognise me? well >> do you recognise me? well it's been a year. >> it doesn't surprise me. did you know i had a date with andrew ridley once ? andrew ridley once? >> but that's another story. go on. like, go on, you've on. is that like, go on, you've got rugby. >> to got rugby. >> we went to england rugby. >> we went to england rugby. >> fun. >> it was great fun. >> it was great fun. >> oh, yeah? what's he like? >> oh, yeah? what's he like?

>> fun. i'll get him on. >> on. >> difficult conversations for you i love that. >> he quite tall? is he >> yes. is he quite tall? is he quite short? imagine quite short. >> he's fit actually. >> he's very fit actually. >> slim. >> slim. >> is he trim? is he tall or short? yeah. i married him short? tall? yeah. i married him to be, like, sort of like to be, like, a sort of like a little rishi sunak size fella. >> and very funny . and >> no, and he's very funny. and he doesn't mind them. mickey he doesn't mind them. the mickey being you being taken out of him, as you know it's like at the know what it's like at the rugby. know what it's like at the rug he up in a fur coat >> he turned up in a fur coat and, um, a big fur hat and everyone christmas him. >> very good. so it's one off. one all. yes so the answer is i keep my distance. but you still catch my eye, right? okay. question four. what colour are mistletoe berry? no, i haven't finished the question, lizzie. so i'm afraid you may be out for this one. on so i'm afraid you may be out for this one. oh yes. thank you. no thank you. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> she only heard yours. >> she only heard yours. >> that's all right. >> that's all right. >> no, no, no. come on, start again. >> what colour are mistletoe berries? no, i got to do the multiples . oh she's. multiples. oh she's. >> oh i've never done this before. >> is a white. is it b red or >> is it a white. is it b red or c green danny kelly. thank you , c green danny kelly. thank you, miss akua. >> it's b red .

>> it's b red. >> it's b red. >> it's b red. >> it is red. >> it is red. >> is it. >> it is red. >> is it . wait. is there a green >> is it. wait. is there a green something is wrong with them. don't eat them. no no it's white. on no. you could have said something different. >> oh, i even . >> oh, why did i even. >> oh, why did i even. >> oh, why did i even. >> oh, what a dope. >> oh, what a dope. >> yes. don't take. i'm more of a dope because i copied you . a dope because i copied you. don't of what he don't take any notice of what he ever no. it's nothing. ever said. no no. it's nothing. >> actually, good >> actually, that's a good lesson to into new year lesson to go into the new year with a question. >> five in what country is it a tradition kfc for dinner tradition to eat kfc for dinner on christmas day ? is it a south on christmas day? is it a south korea? b japan or c madagascar ? korea? b japan or c madagascar? you can have this lizzie cundy i think it's a south korea. she thinks it's south korea . um. thinks it's south korea. um. does it? >> i'm going madagascar. >> i'm going madagascar. >> you madagascar? yeah >> you think madagascar? yeah >> you think madagascar? yeah >> people a random >> because people a random people in africa do like chicken. >> let's see if you're right . >> let's see if you're right. it's peter pan. you're both both wrong. >> what's the score ? i think >> what's the score? i think we're at time. >> we have time. both of you. i think it might be a tie. yeah. so there's the scores and the doors are one. all right . so, doors are one. all right. so, uh, well done to both of you. doors are one. all right. so,

uh, weyou3ne to both of you. doors are one. all right. so, uh, weyou everyone.h of you. doors are one. all right. so, uh, weyou everyone. i of you. doors are one. all right. so, uh, weyou everyone. i think]. thank you everyone. i think that's anyway don't that's fair enough. anyway don't you? listen , on today's you? well, listen, on today's show, what was the question we asked? we've asked? i wonder what the. we've got there? well, got anything up there? well, listen, we've got so much do listen, we've got so much to do tomorrow. going be quite tomorrow. it's going to be quite an danny, what tomorrow. it's going to be quite an you danny, what tomorrow. it's going to be quite an you planning danny, what tomorrow. it's going to be quite an you planning to danny, what tomorrow. it's going to be quite an you planning to do ny, what tomorrow. it's going to be quite an you planning to do ny, your are you planning to do for your christmas? round to my 90 christmas? uh, round to my 90 year with the year old father's with all the family and family from family and family coming up from london, and my wife and i going over there . over there. >> and this is what christmas means to us spending time with our family. >> lovely. our family. >> that'sively. our family. >> that's lovely. yes >> that's lovely. yes >> well, going to be with >> well, i'm going to be with my dear and all the family. my boy. >> my other son's in australia , >> my other son's in australia, so i'm going be missing him. so i'm going to be missing him. but, all together and but, um, we're all together and that's it's about . that's what it's all about. >> yeah. and be eating. >> yeah. and i'll be eating. eating a lot of food. yes. >> well, that's good. >> well, that's good. >> that's when we eat >> that's when we can eat turkey. got these >> well, i've got these two little . they're like little turkey legs. they're like really big ones. oh, they're not that skinny . i hope they haven't that skinny. i hope they haven't gone off because i don't know how long can keep them in how long you can keep them in the yes, i'm going the fridge. yes, but i'm going to legs. i'm not to cook the two legs. i'm not doing two. you don't doing a whole two. you don't likeyou the brownite. >> you prefer the brownite. >> you prefer the brownite. >> been racist, dad. >> you've been racist, dad. oh, here we go. >> you're right. the white

here we go. >> you'|are ght. the white here we go. >> you'|are callinge white here we go. >> you'|are calling .white brigade are calling. >> you've got great brown legs, by way. by the way. >> em- by the way. >> of white meat >> a little bit of white meat myself. and brown meat. >> goodness . >> goodness. >> goodness. >> so what's wrong with you? well, not going to say a well, this is not going to say a huge you you, lizzie huge thank you to you, lizzie cundy, you so much for cundy, thank you so much for joining you. and danny joining me. thank you. and danny kelly, nana. >> thank you nana. >> thank you nana. >> merry christmas. merry christmas. you christmas. and thank you to you at your company. at home for your company. and i'll tomorrow. same at home for your company. and i'll same tomorrow. same at home for your company. and i'll same place.row. same at home for your company. and i'll same place. i'm same at home for your company. and i'll same place. i'm going to time, same place. i'm going to leave you with weather. enjoy >> afternoon . welcome to >> good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news weather. i'm ellie glaisyer. it's raining . ellie glaisyer. it's raining. unsettled as we go through the rest of . the weekend and in rest of. the weekend and in towards christmas day. but temperatures generally remaining above average for the time of yeah above average for the time of year. this to high year. this is due to high pressure bringing air up pressure bringing warm air up from but low pressure from the south, but low pressure sits towards the northwest, sits up towards the northwest, bringing frontal across bringing frontal systems across the of wet the uk, bringing plenty of wet and weather, particularly and windy weather, particularly to western parts of scotland. through of saturday and through the rest of saturday and then into christmas eve on then later into christmas eve on for western parts of wales, we could 80mm of rain could see up to 80mm of rain here, generally remaining very cloudy elsewhere, although perhaps cloudy elsewhere, although perhapparts scotland. across parts of scotland. but blustery pushing in and

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