be cancelled . but no one will be cancelled. >> so joining me in the next hour are former liberal democrat minister norman baker and also conservative peer lord moylan . conservative peer lord moylan. >> but before we get started, let's get your latest news with polly middlehurst . let's get your latest news with polly middlehurst. nana. >> thank you. well, the top story from the jbb newsroom is that this risk of flying debris and power cuts today with weather forecasters . warning weather forecasters. warning conditions on the roads could disrupt last minute christmas getaways, the met office has said wind gusts of up to 70 miles an hour has already hit parts of scotland and northern areas england, as as the areas of england, as well as the midlands , and passengers midlands, and rail passengers have make other plans have had to make other plans today, with delays and today, dealing with delays and cancellations. particular at major london stations euston, king's cross and paddington all closed today for engineering works, so millions of people then on the roads and the aa saying drivers can expect a great deal of congestion as

people to travel be with their families . a man has been families. a man has been arrested in connection with the death of a woman in a suspected hit and run accident in essex, marie theobald and her two dogs lost their lives when walking in chigwell on friday in a statement, her family described the 48 year old as a loving mother and daughter who would do anything for anyone . a second anything for anyone. a second man has been arrested in connection with the removal of a banksy artwork in south—east london. a stop sign covered with what looked like three aircraft left in the shape of military drones was discovered at an intersection a crossword crossroads, as we call it, in peckham on friday. a man in his 40s has now been arrested on suspicion of theft and criminal damage, and yesterday a man in his 20s was arrested. he has since been bailed pending further enquiries . home further enquiries. home secretary has had to apologise today for joking about putting

today forjoking about putting a rape drug in his wife's drink, just hours after announcing government plans to crack down on drink spiking, james cleverly reportedly joked he puts a little bit of rohypnol in his wife's drink every night, so she doesn't realise there are better men out there . the comments were men out there. the comments were meant to have been said at a downing street party, which are normally off the record, but the sunday mirror has broken convention and reported it anyway . the royal navy is anyway. the royal navy is deploying a warship to guyana as tensions grow with neighbouring venezuela. in south america , the venezuela. in south america, the hms trent will take part in joint exercises in the region. the mod confirming it's all part of the government's defence diplomacy strategy. the uk, working alongside the south american nation to ensure its territorial integrity. they say after a historical dispute with venezuela reef shared over minerals and oil here at home, party leaders may be at odds in parliament, but they are united

in spreading festive cheer today, a warning to some viewers . there is flash photography in the next segment. if you're watching on tv. in his christmas message , the prime minister, message, the prime minister, rishi sunak, offering the promise of a brighter future, while the labour leader , sir while the labour leader, sir keir starmer said the story of jesus christ is a reminder that in dark times, hope and love are always worth advocating for. both men thanked frontline and key workers for their service over the christmas period . over the christmas period. >> christmas is a time of peace, joy, >> christmas is a time of peace, joy, compassion , a time of hope joy, compassion, a time of hope and a promise of a better world. and today , as we look ahead, and today, as we look ahead, let's keep that promise of a brighter future burning into the new year. wherever you are and whatever you are doing for the festivities, i wish you all a very merry christmas and a happy new year i new year! >> as communities across britain gather together for a period of faith and festivities , i want to faith and festivities, i want to wish you all a very merry christmas. throughout the

christmas. throughout the christmas period, we see the bonds of kinship rekindled as families and friends share in the joy, the hope and the optimism that christmas provides. >> sir keir starmer and rishi sunak now his majesty the king, will be delivering his second christmas message from a room decorated with a living christmas tree for the first time. a photograph has been released ahead of tomorrow's broadcast of the traditional christmas message by king charles. a long terme environmental campaigner. so we're told, sustainable and natural ornament adorn his tree, which itself will be replanted at a later date . and a reminder at a later date. and a reminder the king's message will be live here on gb news at 3:00 tomorrow, christmas day , now tomorrow, christmas day, now tomorrow, christmas day, now tomorrow is set to be the warmest christmas day in more than a century, with the met office saying temperatures could reach 14 or even 15 degrees for. forecasters are saying we could also see 16 degrees across parts of yorkshire today . it means

of yorkshire today. it means a white christmas has been ruled out for the country , apart from out for the country, apart from perhaps northern scotland, the warmest or the mildest 25th of december on record was 15.6 degrees . in 1920. 100 years ago . degrees. in 1920. 100 years ago. so on his way to brunei, father christmas, let's show you live pictures coming to us from norad as we monitor santa delivering his presents to children around the world. he was in japan a short time ago. he's finished japan. china is now done. this is the feed from the norad santa tracker . the north american tracker. the north american aerospace defence command and monitoring santa movements today. of course, protecting him on his way, making sure he completes his journey on time on his way to brunei. as we say right now, we're tracking him throughout the day on gb news, norad has been tracking santa since 1955. after one child phoned up the command centre , phoned up the command centre, wanting to know where santa was.

well, now you know exactly where he is. and guess what.7 heathrow airport has confirmed santa is due to arrive in the uk just after midnight. it says any passengers carrying carrots in their hand luggage need to be aware may attract reindeer . aware they may attract reindeer. you're with gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel . this is britain's news channel. >> good afternoon . >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> it's fast approaching. >> it's fast approaching. >> seven minutes to 3:00. i'm nana akua. >> this is a gb news >> this is a gb news >> before we go head to head , >> before we go head to head, let me introduce you to my panel . joining me today in a clash of minds is former liberal democrat minister baker and also minister norman baker and also conservative peer lord daniel moylan. >> here's what else is coming up today. >> here's what else is coming up today . uh, firstly, we'll be today. uh, firstly, we'll be finding latest location finding out the latest location of the santa claus this of the santa claus on this christmas eve, and then we'll be joined news reporters . joined by two gb news reporters. they'll be live in they'll be going live in location for the two christmas

carol concerts . as hundreds carol concerts. as hundreds gather and down the country gather up and down the country to sing together today's net. >> lovely. >> lovely. >> then going head to head in a clash of minds, we'll be discussing junior doctors. they finished their latest three day strike strikes strike yesterday. more strikes are beginning of are planned for the beginning of january. think january. but do you think they're justified or just being plain feud plain greedy? the alleged feud between has been between kate and meghan has been ongoing experts ongoing for years now. experts have apparent have commented on the apparent silent revenge. what do you think are you discussing that going head to head with my panellists that's on the way . in panellists that's on the way. in the hour i'll be going live the next hour i'll be going live with my other two panellists, simon danczuk. with my other two panellists, simon danczuk . and also lois simon danczuk. and also lois perry. as ever, tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gb views gbnews.com or me at gb gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news. as . right so let's welcome news. as. right so let's welcome again to my head to heads, going head to head in a clash of minds, former liberal democrat minister norman baker and also conservative peer lord moylan . conservative peer lord moylan. right. well of course it is christmas eve. and as you know,

santa is going around the world delivering parcels to everybody this evening, which is interesting how he manages it. so with lots more on that, our reporter theo chikomba theo. so how how is santa doing? where is he now . he now. >> yes. well good afternoon to you.so >> yes. well good afternoon to you. so he's on his way to brunei in southeast asia. i've been tracking him since 11:05 uk time this morning. been tracking him since 11:05 uk time this morning . and he's been time this morning. and he's been on the move starting from lapland, heading towards australia and new zealand on the way to russia and then back down again. and then recently last seen in china. but on the way to brunei. so norad basically have been tracking him all day. all of those children looking to see their presence. some will have had them already and others are still waiting around nine hours from now, he'll be in the uk . from now, he'll be in the uk. >> one minute past midnight is when santa is expected to arrive here in the uk. >> busy, busy day >> busy, busy day >> over 1.3 billion presents have already been delivered today, so if you're one of those

lucky young people , it's going lucky young people, it's going to be a good day for you tomorrow . tomorrow. >> we've been counting down to christmas what seems all christmas what seems like all yean christmas what seems like all year, it's few hours year, but it's only a few hours away now, so don't know what you're expecting in your christmas box this year. but well well, we'll be able to see that tomorrow . but for now that tomorrow. but for now though, until he though, only nine hours until he arrives in the uk and just finally they've tracking finally they've been tracking santa since 1955, when one young person called to find out where santa is and ever since then, as we've been hearing, he's been tracked and it's one of those moments everyone's looking forward to only a few a few hours left now. lovely. >> thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> gio. >> gio. >> theo, gio. jacumba. thank you theoi >> theo, gio. jacumba. thank you theo i keep doing that too. i shouldn't do that. yes but that is to convey he's tracking santa for us. in any normal instance, tracking would just be really out but it's out of order. but when it's santa, christmas santa, it's fine. now christmas is joy laughter santa, it's fine. now christmas is an joy laughter santa, it's fine. now christmas is an opportunity laughter santa, it's fine. now christmas is an opportunity foriughter and an opportunity for communities come together communities to come together to celebrate festive season. celebrate the festive season. christmas carol concerts are actually place all over actually taking place all over the uk today as the nation gets

into the christmas spirit. so joining me is reporter dougie beattie and also tony mcguire . beattie and also tony mcguire. they're joining us now . concert they're joining us now. concert venues. right i'm going to start with you, tony in glasgow cathedral. happening there. >> good afternoon . well >> good afternoon. well certainly the weather outside here in glasgow is frightful , here in glasgow is frightful, but i can tell you that the mood inside glasgow cathedral earlier on today was very much, quite delightful . and this week has delightful. and this week has seen a numerous number of concerts, carols and some of the more traditional variety and some of the more modern take and many of them raising money for cancer charities as is the way here at glasgow cathedral in the run up to the festive season and today, of course, being the fourth sunday of advent and there was a mass this morning as well, which which i observed along with minister jones , along with minister mark jones, and now he has been the minister here at glasgow cathedral for

quite some time. and i had a chance to talk to him quite a bit about all the things that really makes christmas, christmas. and, you know, his key message this year was very much that, remember here that there are many of those out there are many of those out there are many of those out there are who going there who are who are going to be perhaps be experiencing perhaps their first maybe it's first blue christmas, maybe it's their christmas without their first christmas without somebody, it's their first somebody, maybe it's their first christmas away from family . or christmas away from family. or perhaps, you know , well, we perhaps, you know, well, we shouldn't. and any stretch of the imagination diminish the joy of all the young children and the family taking the toy out of the family taking the toy out of the box and then playing hours with the box instead of the toy itself. and we shouldn't be taking the joy away. but you know, let's one eye on the know, let's keep one eye on the bigger problems in the world as well. and remember, i guess we don't have thanksgiving in don't have a thanksgiving in this country per se, but christmas is our chance to do that. certainly the that. and certainly over the next days , he hopes that next few days, he hopes that many families will be doing that. and indeed , following that that. and indeed, following that conversation , and he recorded a conversation, and he recorded a

very special christmas message for gb news viewers around the country. and let's hear what he had to say. christmas is a time when we reflect upon the past and we look towards the future . and we look towards the future. >> do you know something that i like during christmas time is just people watching. >> i've had opportunity >> i've had the opportunity primarily because of my wife, audrey, shops and audrey, to sit outside shops and watch people going, and often watch people going, and i often wonder what they and what wonder what they do and what they at, and i think when they work at, and i think when people with a reasonably tidy someone with a reasonably tidy haircut shoes they haircut and shiny shoes and they wonder, they maybe can wonder, well, they maybe can guess of thing do. guess the kind of thing i do. however secret life when however i had a secret life when i was younger. i used to be a bingo caller. i used to be a bingo caller. i used to be a bingo caller. i used to be a bingo caller on the west end of glasgow. people on a friday glasgow. 2000 people on a friday and saturday night would sit there every there hanging on my every number, and then a certain number, and then at a certain point someone would win and they would and they would would shout house and they would win. anything from , you know, win. anything from, you know, £800 to £50,000. but the only time that that room became all the more engaging was when someone shouted house! my

message this christmas isn't about playing bingo . it's about about playing bingo. it's about engaging and taking part . that engaging and taking part. that game and that room became electric when someone fully engaged with what was happening. can i ask you this christmas to fully engage with what's happening to have a sense of if we're talking about hope, have hope, if we're talking about peace , have peace, if we're peace, have peace, if we're talking about good will, have good know, you good will. but, you know, you need to be the ambassador for that. need to be the ambassador for that . it's not need to be the ambassador for that. it's not going to happen if we all sit on our hands and do very little. the only way that society transformed is that society is transformed is through the activities of good people. so on you go. go be a good person. this christmas . and good person. this christmas. and there you go. >> the message engage this christmas much in the way. may i add that the viewers of gb news have engaged with with me and all fellow journalists over all my fellow journalists over the year. so here the last year. so from here in scotland, close out the scotland, just to close out the day and indeed the year for me , day and indeed the year for me, i'd just wish you all

i'd just like to wish you all holac, kriol aukus bertila aguere and that's merry christmas and a happy new year in the old scots gaelic tongue, you show off tony lock. >> that was great. thank you so much, tony. that's lovely right . much, tony. that's lovely right. that's from glasgow cathedral. let's go over to newtownards now and speak to dougie beattie dougie , where are you? where dougie, where are you? where about are you exactly . about are you exactly. >> well, i'm at saint patrick's catholic church in newtownards. this church is one of the most historically relevant buildings in northern ireland. believe it or not, it was designed by joseph hansom, boy that joseph hansom, the boy that designed the hansom in designed the hansom cabs in london. but of course it was built in the miniature style of a cathedral by lady londonderry. she the sister in law of she was the sister in law of lord castlereagh and the londonderrys were very famous, even across yorkshire. they were one of the biggest coal miners in europe at one time, and she had this built to when the had this built to us. when the kings queens of europe could kings and queens of europe could come to mount stewart estate, just the road from me, they

just down the road from me, they could here to worship . but could come here to worship. but this morning mass this morning, the morning mass was just the regulars and was just the regulars there. and father martin ohagan is a pretty famous priest here in northern ireland. he holds a sony record deal along with two other priests in fact, i've been at a few of his concerts extremely magical to listen to and i caught up with him earlier on the week when he was speaking about the relevance christmas about the relevance of christmas and, gifts that are and, uh, the gifts that are given , but more the love given, but more about the love of christ and how it is , uh, of christ and how it is, uh, more fulfilling than that of material goods. well i suppose there's always an openness , and there's always an openness, and we try to rejoice in the fact that anyone who wants to engage with christ and answer his invitation in then something new begins to happen, perhaps we live in a very distracted world today. >> so distracted that there is little time to stop, to be still, to think, to experience

silence. >> so the world can be such that our motivation is kidnapped a little bit by the commercial side of things . side of things. >> it's about getting the right balance . balance. >> the material world can easily invade and offer us a way of happiness. >> inverted in inverted commas. >> inverted in inverted commas. >> but it's not true. lasting happiness is the happiness that we are looking for in christ is something that's everlasting , something that's everlasting, and . the main mass of the and. the main mass of the christmas eve mass is here tonight at about 630, and is with tony. >> before i take this opportunity to wish everybody a very merry christmas and a happy new year. >> uh, thank you so much, dougie. i know, sir, thank you so much to you there, tony. lovely to talk to you. happy christmas . those are lovely to talk to you. happy christmas. those are our reporters around country . so reporters around the country. so this is gb news. if you just tuned 17 minutes 3:00, tuned in 17 minutes after 3:00, i'm nana. akua. now, coming up, the latest junior doctors strike

ended . this is after ended yesterday. this is after three days of disrupted during one of the busiest times of the year for the nhs. more strikes are for the to the are planned for the 3rd to the 9th january. the prospect of 9th of january. the prospect of a winter crisis already a winter crisis has already loomed over hospitals before junior doctors announced their strikes festive period. strikes over the festive period. now all of this as critics now all of this comes as critics have since labelled timing have since labelled the timing of recent strikes as normally unhinged . and the question unhinged. and the question anses unhinged. and the question arises as junior doctor strikes over the festive period , are over the festive period, are they justified ? um, i think we they justified? um, i think we should go for a break first. then we'll come back and discuss. otherwise we won't have much time. all right, all right. well, before i do that, before we in a clash of we go head to head in a clash of minds former liberal minds with former liberal democrat minister norman baker and . daniel moylan, and also. daniel moylan, conservative peer . uh, we're conservative peer. uh, we're going to be talking about this fabulous christmas giveaway because we have three amazing pnzes because we have three amazing prizes guaranteed to be prizes that are guaranteed to be won by one lucky in our won by one lucky viewer in our great giveaway , £10,000 great british giveaway, £10,000 cash tech , which is a phone and cash tech, which is a phone and vouchers. and if you haven't already entered, then why on

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>> if you're just tuned in, welcome on board. it's just coming up to 24 minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua and it's time to go head to headin akua and it's time to go head to head in a clash of minds. and on the first topic, the latest junior doctors strike ended yesterday. this is three yesterday. this is after three days disruption during one of days of disruption during one of the busiest times of year for the busiest times of year for the nhs. more strikes are planned for the 3rd to the 9th of january three. the prospect of january three. the prospect of a winter crisis has already loomed over hospitals before junior doctors announced their strikes over this period. and all of this comes as critics have since labelled the timing of recent strikes as morally unhinged. the question arises are junior doctors strikes over the festive period justified ? the festive period justified? well, right. going head to head in a clash of minds, i'm joined by former liberal democrat minister norman baker and also conservative peer lord daniel moylan . uh, daniel, i'm going to moylan. uh, daniel, i'm going to start with you. you they're asking for 35, which i don't really see ever happening. i

don't even think they do. do you think that the timing of these strikes is really just a bit out of order? >> i don't think strikes are >> i don't think the strikes are justified at all. >> think the public has lost >> i think the public has lost sympathy with the junior doctors completely that they >> the fact is that they generally come from well—educated generally come from well—e(often d generally come from well—e(often public school . they're often public school. people have been to public school. >> they're terribly they're very middle they middle class, and they have a career will bring career that will bring them traditionally is a career that pays you not terribly well to start with. pays you not terribly well to sta|andth. pays you not terribly well to sta|and then you paid very >> and then you get paid very well they to be well later on. they want to be paid bankers, paid like junior bankers, because who've because they've got mates who've left are bankers. >> now they want to be paid the same as them. >> well, you need to have a complete restructuring of salaries in that case. >> is, you know, >> and the fact is, you know, a 35% demand is completely exorbitant. >> and we know from what they've said, let's slip what they've let slip that some of their leaders are really doing this because bring the because they want to bring the government because they want to bring the gov that's nt because they want to bring the gov that's why settled >> that's why they settled in scotland more scotland for a much more reasonable percentage rise, because they don't they don't have a problem with the snp, but they problem the they have a problem with the tories. they have a problem with the toriand really just >> and this is really just arthur scrubs. arthur scargill in scrubs. i mean, and mad. mean, it's dangerous and mad.

>> norman, i'm not sure i've scribed a political motive to what's happening, but let me just say on the, on the arrangements for paying junior doctors, there's always been a tacit understanding between the government of the day and there was engaged in important social tasks such as fire fighting or hospital work, that that people don't go on strike and except in extreme circumstances and in return, the government of the day makes sure they're properly paid . paid. >> of course, in terms of the police, police cannot go on police, the police cannot go on strike. so that's been kind strike. so that's been the kind of unwritten agreement. >> really comes >> so the question really comes as you believe as to whether or not you believe that the government has exploited situation exploited that situation to underpaid union doctors, or whether you believe that junior doctors are pushing envelope doctors are pushing the envelope far, in what they're far, too far in what they're asking for now, they are working 48 hours a week or more . 48 hours a week or more. >> they are sometimes as >> they are paid sometimes as little as £32,000. but daniel's right to that they have got right to say that they have got a path of them . and a career path ahead of them. and it's also the case that , um, it's also the case that, um, they, you know, there is a

hippocratic oath, which says you shouldn't inconvenience people you're supposed to be looking after. doctors do. after. that's what doctors do. they undoubtedly after. that's what doctors do. the nhs undoubtedly after. that's what doctors do. the nhs will undoubtedly after. that's what doctors do. the nhs will suffer undoubtedly after. that's what doctors do. the nhs will suffer and doubtedly after. that's what doctors do. the nhs will suffer and peopleily the nhs will suffer and people will have their operations cancelled and so on, sometimes for months. at a consequence of this action. >> so i'm, i'm, i'm unhappy with the junior doctors being on strike. >> i think it's unfortunate that this is still carrying on 35% is unrealistic , but i don't think unrealistic, but i don't think they're doing this for political reasons. i think they're doing it for money. >> well, well, i can tell you this. the union boss. so of the pcs, that's mark serwotka . he's pcs, that's mark serwotka. he's the pcs the public commercial the pcs of the public commercial services looks services union. so he looks after servants after the civil servants and people actually people like that. he actually said that he would have . loads said that he would have. loads of strikes and bring britain to its knees. that's what he said. and so i do believe that, i mean, from that, as a boss mean, just from that, as a boss of one of unions, are of one of the unions, they are all striking sort of in unison >> well, they may, they may, all striking sort of in unison >> vmaythey may, they may, all striking sort of in unison >> vmaythey |said they may, all striking sort of in unison >> vmaythey |said thejsame they may have said the same thing government. they may have said the same thing it government. they may have said the same thing it happens government. they may have said the same thing it happens to )vernment. they may have said the same thing it happens to be �*nment. government. >> well, well, he hasn't, though he has said this recently. yes, indeed. saying indeed. but what i'm saying is

that i'm just that the strike. so i'm just saying that when he said he didn't political didn't think this is a political motive, i'm just pointing out that there appear that actually there does appear to many instances. to be in many instances. >> think what i'm saying to be in many instances. >:that think what i'm saying to be in many instances. >:that i think what i'm saying to be in many instances. >:that i accept( what i'm saying to be in many instances. >:that i accept he hat i'm saying to be in many instances. >:that i accept he said�*m saying to be in many instances. >:that i accept he said that|ying is that i accept he said that what i'm saying is, he may well have in situation have said that in a situation where labour where there were a labour government the government rather than the conservative government rather than the conspushing the envelope he's pushing the envelope for his it were, in an his members as it were, in an unrealistic way . but unrealistic way. but nevertheless, , we've nevertheless, you know, we've settled this. you have to settle this . and been a stand this. and there has been a stand off way, between the junior off in a way, between the junior doctors and the health secretaries we've had because it's gone on for a long time now. that's unfortunate. now. and that's unfortunate. >> you know, we used to have something called arbitration where and sit where people used to go and sit in with some in the room with some independent, and the matters would independent, and the matters wotthat way. don't why >> that way. i don't know why that's happened this case. >> well, isn't there a pay board that how much the doctors that decide how much the doctors get will get paid? so the government will give and give them a load of money and then it's to them to then it's down to the them to determine salaries will determine what the salaries will be, money will be be, how that money will be distributed. yes, i get why distributed. so yes, i get why sometimes the government aren't sort getting didn't want to sort of getting didn't want to get involved in because get involved in this because they've do that. >> well, norman norman made a very point at the very important point at the

start, that there very important point at the stithis that there very important point at the stithis tacit that there is this sort of tacit understanding these understanding that in these important the important professions, the government would actually respect, , and account of respect, um, and take account of what was said by an independent pay what was said by an independent pay review body. >> other professions don't get independent pay review bodies , independent pay review bodies, but these sensitive professions do . and my recollection is and do. and my recollection is and i'm just trying i've been trying to look it up on the phone. >> while been >> sorry while we've been talking, but their recommendation was very much lower close to 35. lower than anything close to 35. >> this independent pay >> and this independent pay review process needs to be respected by both sides. >> if it's to last. because if all that ever happens is that one side says, no, we're not going to. >> why have the process then? you'll just have the government setting figure of out of, setting a figure out of out of, out air to suit the budget. >> and people will then go on. >> and people will then go on. >> you'll have more strikes, more dissatisfaction . more dissatisfaction. >> so 35% is way off. >> so 35% is way off. >> what any independent review and they're making it a condition they won't talk. condition that they won't talk. remember, it's not the government talk them. >> simply they're refusing to talk the government unless >> simply they're refusing to talk government rnment unless >> simply they're refusing to talk government rnment lless s the government more or less agrees in advance that's

agrees in advance that that's the the ballpark they the that's the ballpark they should which should be discussing, which i just mad . and i do just think is mad. and i do think it's politically motivated , actually the top at the top , actually at the top at the top because these are very, very left wing. this is a union. >> remember the british medical association is a trade union effectively. and it has a section for junior doctors. and the people running the junior doctors section are all sort of middle class left wingers . and middle class left wingers. and they have political motives. i think . think. >> do you think that really for this sort of work, there should be no striking. they shouldn't be no striking. they shouldn't be allowed to strike? >> no. >> no. >> i'm very uncomfortable with the with the condition that obviously there'll be a pay review they don't review body that they don't listen to anyway, that will ensure pay up listen to anyway, that will enslso pay up listen to anyway, that will enslso and pay up listen to anyway, that will enslso and so pay up listen to anyway, that will enslso and so forth. up and so on and so forth. >> , we had >> well, we had that understanding nurses a understanding with nurses for a long time, in fact, and they've broken now. long time, in fact, and they've bro and now. long time, in fact, and they've bro and novthat's a bad move >> and i think that's a bad move on their part. >> why is that bad? >> why is that bad? >> it's a bad on >> i think it's a bad move on their part. think the idea their part. but i think the idea that agree as a trade union that you agree as a trade union that you agree as a trade union that will avoid strikes if that you will avoid strikes if you have an independent pay review body that isn't the government just setting the pay,

but has looks at it. but actually has looks at it. >> i think that a very good >> i think that is a very good model and it really saddens me to to see it starting to to see to see it starting to break down, especially in the health but i will say health sector. but i will say also, i'm not terribly comfortable with the idea of banning strikes because but just for those sort of. >> yeah, but just for those, just for just for those and then just for just for those and then just for just for those and then just for somebody else. >> so we have that understanding just for somebody else. >> so wipolice.that understanding just for somebody else. >> so wipolice. iiat understanding just for somebody else. >> so wipolice. i thinkderstanding just for somebody else. >> so wipolice. i think the landing with the police. i think the police very special police are a very, very special case. they've always understood police are a very, very special case. like y've always understood police are a very, very special case. like the always understood police are a very, very special case. like the army,; understood police are a very, very special case. like the army, they're;tood police are a very, very special case. like the army, they're notd that, like the army, they're not going to go on. they on strike. >> other countries would say they're the same level. they're on the same level. >> but you could say >> yeah, but you could say they're same level. >> yeah, but you could say the but same level. >> yeah, but you could say the but then same level. >> yeah, but you could say the but then where; level. >> yeah, but you could say the but then where do vel. >> yeah, but you could say the but then where do you stop? >> but then where do you stop? do got do you ban now we've got limitations. new limitations. we have new legislation which the legislation which allows the government say there'll government to say that there'll be level service be a certain level of service provided, trade provided, and that the trade unions have to provide that. i did go along. i mean, i'm personally nobody listens to me in the house of lords. but, you know, didn't sort of create a know, i didn't sort of create a great fuss about that. but i'm not about not entirely comfortable about it where does it it because where does it actually people have actually stop? people do have a right strike and they have

right to strike and they have a right to strike and they have a right to strike and they have a right to in my view, to collective bargaining. you need to be careful about how you meddle with that , because you're meddle with that, because you're opening up a big door. >> i think we're in danger of agreeing, actually on this particular matter. agreeing, actually on this particudo matter. agreeing, actually on this particu do you ter. agreeing, actually on this particu do you think then, norman? >> so do you think then, norman? finally. then do think that finally. then do you think that junior doctors are being greedy? 35? be 35? i think they'd be unrealistic if you expect 35. >> they've pitched well. >> i mean, they've pitched well. i to use the word i don't want to use the word greedy. i think they'd be. i think well, they think they'd be. well, they don't get 35. they've don't expect to get 35. they've pitched there they pitched out there and they expect less. expect to get rather less. i think they'd be unrealistic, but i just want to come back on the point about strikes. you've got about 20s. i don't think it's right government to right for the government to start got start telling people they've got to a to go to work. i think that's a very because very dangerous road because you're for them. you're paying for them. >> the public are paying >> listen, the public are paying for these people. and really, what should doing, not on what we should be doing, not on the strike. the days they strike. >> you can't you can't withdraw the this country. >> i'm not saying withdraw the right this country. right to strike in this country. i'm right i'm saying withdraw the right to strike certain professions. i'm saying withdraw the right to strii

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930. >> hello, good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. it's fast approaching 38 minutes after 3:00. i'm nana akua . we're live 3:00. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it is head to head. the clash of minds. joining me to do thatis clash of minds. joining me to do that is norman baker and also lord daniel moylan. right. so next topic. now this one always gets me a teacher has been banned from the profession and sacked from their job after miss gendenng sacked from their job after miss gendering a 17 year old pupil. the teacher in question refused to use a male pronoun to reference a biologically female student, and also advised them against irreversible surgical treatment, which i think is wise . he was later referred to the disclosure and barring service. that's the dbs , um, and that's the dbs, um, and subsequently he was informed that he would be banned from working with children . this working with children. this week, the government issued a long awaited trans guidance stating that teachers should not be compelled to use a different

pronoun if a child decides they want to change their gender. so what do you guys think, right? it's time to go head to head in a clash of minds. joining me, of course, former liberal democrat minister and also minister norman baker and also conservative peer lord moylan. norman, start with norman, i'm going to start with you. what do you make of this? >> well, mean, it's completely >> well, i mean, it's completely over for the teacher to over the top for the teacher to be, um, ban ed from working with children. he's not being children. i mean, he's not being guilty of horrendous abuse guilty of any horrendous abuse or anything else, and that's guilty of anything. that's a that's strong step to take. >> and i the, the, um, the >> and i think the, the, um, the decision to do this from this, um, is completely um, quango is completely unrealistic and wrong. >> and the guy's been teaching, as i understand, at 16, 17 years, were any problems , years, were there any problems, um, and for this suddenly to blow up in this way, i think is inappropriate. i mean, i do think government guidance think the government guidance could issued earlier could have been issued earlier and difficult and treated him in a difficult position . um, it position up until now. um, it would have been helpful had it come also, 17 year come out earlier. also, 17 year old close to being an old is very close to being an adult. however, having said that , um, assuming was just , um, assuming that he was just following the government guidance actually which had now

been issued then no offence as it were, was committed. the only issue got because i don't issue i've got because i don't know full facts here, he know the full facts here, but he also the against also warned the pupil against irreversible surgical treatment. now to believe that's, now i happen to believe that's, uh, for a 17 year uh, appropriate for a 17 year old to be warned against. but the issue absolutely. whether the issue is absolutely. whether it's i don't think you it's because i don't think you should decisions like should take decisions like that, which your which may affect your later life. that may a life. however, that may be a question parents to question for the parents to issue than issue that warning rather than teachers. what do you think, teachers. so what do you think, then? >> general, misgendering >> in general, misgendering is it deal? what's your it is it a big deal? what's your stand it's pretty much stand on it? it's pretty much been blown up. >> it's becoming a fashion actually to go down this particular route. some people clearly got genuine issues clearly have got genuine issues inside themselves, which they have to try and resolve even at that age. uh, others, i think, are almost on that age. uh, others, i think, are bandwagon ost on that age. uh, others, i think, are bandwagon .st on the bandwagon. >> but why should you be forced to along with something that to go along with something that you with just you don't agree with just to satisfy delusion satisfy somebody else's delusion on? daniel. >> i think that's the >> yeah, i think that's the really fundamental really important fundamental point here, that way in point here, is that the way in which the, the left liberal which the, the, the left liberal wokeist identitarian, i, its establishment has advanced

itself is through taking control of language. so saying there are certain words that are banned, certain words that are banned, certain phrases you've got to talk in a certain way. certain phrases you've got to talk in a certain way . and we talk in a certain way. and we really have to stand up to that. >> nobody has the right to tell me what language to use. >> that's my choice. >> that's my choice. >> that's my choice. >> that's part of my freedom. >> that's part of my freedom. >> and it may be the case that sometimes i say things . people, sometimes i say things. people, um, are upset by, but but it's my choice is to use the language i want to use. >> and i would not use gender type language to somebody who claimed this, because i don't actually believe that gender exists . exists. >> i believe it's a complete fiction that's been made up in the last 20 or 30 years. um that never existed before . um, when never existed before. um, when i was a child, gender. the word gender applied tied to nouns in french . you had to learn where french. you had to learn where the nouns were masculine or feminine and make the adjectives agree with them. you still do, but gender was never applied to people . people. people had

people. people. people had a biologic sex and they were male or female. and i think that reflects the underlying reality . reflects the underlying reality. i also think that i would go further than norman. i would say that up to a certain age, and i'm open to discussion about what that age should be. i think irreversible surgery or chemical treatment should be prohibited . treatment should be prohibited. and, um, because i don't think children have the ability to make that decision consciously and safely for their future . and and safely for their future. and we now have yet more attempts in parliament to ram through a convert, a convert on, um, therapy ban bill, which would probably make what i'm saying at the moment illegal and i'd be bundled off your show, uh, by some, some police guys outside telling me i'd upset somebody . telling me i'd upset somebody. um, it's not illegal at the moment, but to say what i'm saying. but it might be, um, and we're more attempts to do we're having more attempts to do that. it's the wrong direction. the right direction is to get back to what is the reality of

things and to protect children from what is, in fact, a huge lie. um, yeah. >> i'm just astonished that that that this should be taken so seriously in a way that somebody could potentially lose their ability to teach young people just because he's used the correct word, actually, to define something. but in this other person's mind, they want him to say something else. >> well, i mean, he has lost his job. i mean, let's face it, he's no longer able to teach. is what's absurd what's happened to him absurd word. probably is . and word. well, it probably is. and i because we don't i say probably because we don't know full facts. i actually know the full facts. i actually agree with daniel. be agree with daniel. you might be surprised i think surprised to know that i think that people not that people should not be allowed in surgery, allowed to engage in surgery, which irreversible which is a irreversible until they competent to be they are adults, competent to be able to say that that's what they what they want, and children should be allowed to do that. the only issue i come back to is that he warned to the point is that he warned the pupil against irreversible surgical treatment. now i imagine be imagine he's trying to be helpful , but the fact is that imagine he's trying to be helpful, but the fact is that is that teacher's role to that, that teacher's role to do that, or is the parent's role do that? >> he's obviously expressing

concern, it's not a sackable concern, but it's not a sackable offence, is it? it's not a sackable and somebody needs to tell parents tell the child if his parents or somebody told them somebody else hasn't told them that is that that surgery is irreversible. lot irreversible. and there's a lot of who try to of people who now try to detransition who deeply regret it are in a bad way. and it and are in a bad way. and i've spoken to many of them, in fact. i it's really fact. so i think it's really important that schools get a handle on this and actually get the involved and stop, the parents involved and stop, stop all this nonsense about pronouns and this and that. look, if you're a man, if you're a boy, you're a boy. if you're a girl, you're a girl. in girl, you're a girl. and in terms rooms and girl, you're a girl. and in terms sort rooms and girl, you're a girl. and in terms sort of rooms and girl, you're a girl. and in terms sort of facilities ms and girl, you're a girl. and in terms sort of facilities whiled those sort of facilities while you're school , that surely is you're at school, that surely is sacrosanct. anyway, what sacrosanct. but anyway, what do you views news. you think? gb views gb news. com tweet me at gb news. but more on woke it's being reported woke because it's being reported that nhs trusts are spending six figures on woke diversity roles. now, we've heard about this many times, conditions to times, only for conditions to worsen that they've been spending that money. yet diversity and inclusion has not improved . an annual report saw improved. an annual report saw eight out of 13 of the nhs own disabled employees see measures worsen with adequate adjustments

to help them carry on out of their roles , which has fallen. their roles, which has fallen. there was also a marginal rise in disability in disabled staff experiencing harassment, bullying or abuse from managers at the trust. three out of five of the highest spending trusts, which responded to the requests have seen more indicators worsen or stay the same . so or stay the same. so a spokesperson for king's college stated we are committed to making the trust a more diverse and inclusive place to work. whilst the spokesperson for bans whilst the spokesperson for barts health nhs trust said we serve some of the most diverse communities in the country , communities in the country, well, let's go head to head in a clash of minds. joining me to do that, former liberal democrat minister was the minister norman baker was the conservative peer lord moylan. daniel it doesn't seem to be getting worse yet the spending a fortune on supposedly improving the inclusivity of the diversity and inclusivity of the diversity and inclusivity of the nhs. >> well , there's a there's a big >> well, there's a there's a big issue here, actually, about money and public services , first money and public services, first of all, which is that, as we're discovering with a lot of public

services, the answer the more you spend on them, um, every marginal extra pound gets less and less back for you so that you can spend more on something in the nhs and nothing improves. >> and then people or very little improves, and then people turn around and say, it's not working, we need to spend more money on it. we've got to money on it. and we've got to realise spending realise that constantly spending more money on something is not actually returns for us. actually getting returns for us. and illustrates in and this illustrates it in a small the other thing is small way. the other thing is about the specific issue , which about the specific issue, which is with the qualities is to do with the qualities which dates a of it to which dates back a lot of it to the act , um, which dates back a lot of it to the act, um, which is the equality act, um, which is one of those dreadful pieces of legislation. >> i think fundamentally that needs to be reviewed. >> um, and, and um, and which they use very often as a legal excuse . jews, they use very often as a legal excuse .jews, i they use very often as a legal excuse . jews, i would they use very often as a legal excuse .jews, i would say, they use very often as a legal excuse . jews, i would say, for excuse. jews, i would say, for what it is they're trying to do, which goes beyond the equality act. >> so they say, if we don't do this, we could be sued for it because of the equality act. and we'd find that we had somebody , we'd find that we had somebody, um, us been who felt um, suing us who'd been who felt they'd been treated badly. >> that excuse needs be taken

>> that excuse needs to be taken away. that's the first thing. >> but simply the >> but it isn't simply the equality use it to go equality act. they use it to go beyond that, promote beyond that, to promote an agenda of diversity, which creates lots and lots of jobs and gives people quite a lot of power . power. >> and i don't work in the nhs, so i can't see it operating day to day. but i suspect many people who did work in the nhs would say that a lot of this is actually in the way of actually getting in the way of us doing rather than us doing a job, rather than actually helping us do the job, and the money be better and the money could be better deployed in patient facing services, which is where it's greatly needed. >> well the nhs have >> norman. well the nhs have said in this newspaper article which you're which generated this , our discussion today, they this, our discussion today, they are committed to spending every penny taxpayers money wisely. penny of taxpayers money wisely. >> it says here and on track to cut the number of head office posts, including those involving equality so equality and diversity roles. so they say. they also say it's necessary for legal compliance to these people in post. to have these people in post. now, i think the worry i've got actually is a different one, which is that if there is a

diversity officer, then other people in the organisation say, well, it's not about it. for me, it's a matter for them. and they absorbed themselves of responsibility. if we didn't have these people, then people would their own would have to look at their own responsibility themselves and take some responsibility for their actions , rather than their own actions, rather than passing somebody their own actions, rather than passingthe somebody their own actions, rather than passingthe organisation,ebody their own actions, rather than passingthe organisation, which else in the organisation, which is perfectly wise. >> and what is air for anyway? why don't they use their hr department to deal with some of the diversity and inclusion? it's if , uh, the trust it's not as if, uh, the trust won't those . but anyway, won't have those. but anyway, those my thoughts . uh, but those are my thoughts. uh, but what you think? gb views what do you think? gb views gb news. tweet us at gb news. news. com tweet us at gb news. i will of some of these will get hold of some of these emails but, uh, moving on emails soon, but, uh, moving on to kate meghan to princess kate and meghan markle. they've allegedly markle. yes, they've allegedly been ongoing feud for been in an ongoing feud for years. prince harry, in his book spare or wear, as south park called it, commented that his wife meghan and his sister in law kate had a few disagreements in the early days of their relationship of his relationship , but who doesn't have disagreements? whilst kate has never publicly responded to any of claims or reports, and

of these claims or reports, and neither should she, but royal experts commented that kate experts have commented that kate may be standing her may silently be standing her ground through her regal and pristine outfits . well, you're pristine outfits. well, you're laughing , pristine outfits. well, you're laughing, what a load of nonsense this story is absolute nonsense. >> i mean , look, first of all, >> i mean, look, first of all, families have disagreements. people disagree across the within laws or with their own sisters and brothers. so what? it's a private matter. it's none of our business. it's not really private, it? private, is it? >> it is on oprah it's >> well, it is on oprah and it's been on everything i mean, been on everything else. i mean, it had meghan not gone it would be had meghan not gone on we can't call it would be had meghan not gone orprivate we can't call it would be had meghan not gone orprivate if we can't call it would be had meghan not gone orprivate if theyan't call it would be had meghan not gone orprivate if they wantall it would be had meghan not gone orprivate if they want to it private now if they want to go on about it in public, that's their problem. >> we don't have to listen to it necessarily. thing is necessarily. the second thing is this nonsense. this is absolute nonsense. this idea secret messages, idea of sending secret messages, the kate the idea that because kate, kate wears outfit or has the idea that because kate, kate wparticular outfit or has the idea that because kate, kate wparticular colouroutfit or has the idea that because kate, kate wparticular colour of :fit or has a particular colour of fingernail else, fingernail or something else, that to that sending a message to meghan, people meghan, that's just people making out making making money out of out of about the royal of conspiracy about the royal family. you don't exist . family. you don't exist. >> married, aren't you, norman? >> been married. norman? >> you're been married. norman? >> you're bee married d. you >> you're not married now. you must . women. we power must know. women. we power dress. i mean, i think so. what? we'll remember the time we'll do. you remember the time when and kate split up

when william and kate split up the next time you saw kate was at the head of the helm of a boat with this fabulous, well—fitting looked well—fitting top. and she looked amazing after that. >> i don't think william and kate have split up yet. >> no no. >> no no no no no. >> was a bit. but >> but there was a bit. but there time when they had there was a time when they had sort of split on there was a time when they had sort of split oh yeah. yes sort of split up. oh yeah. yes and they kate was and when they had, uh, kate was seen obviously doing she looked fabulous. went out . she was fabulous. she went out. she was at helm of this boat and she at the helm of this boat and she was wearing this tight thing when they were doing some sort of or whatever it was. when they were doing some sort of she or whatever it was. when they were doing some sort of she orto1atever it was. when they were doing some sort of she orto looker it was. when they were doing some sort of she orto look tidy. was. when they were doing some sort of she orto look tidy. she's >> she has to look tidy. she's got be. got to be. >> he saw that and he thought, i've woman back. i've got to get this woman back. what do think i've got to get this woman back. vthink, do think i've got to get this woman back. vthink, i do think i've got to get this woman back. vthink, i think do think i've got to get this woman back. vthink, i think the do think i've got to get this woman back. vthink, i think the princess think i've got to get this woman back. vthink, i think the princess of nk i think, i think the princess of wales is absolutely fantastic. >> i think is one of the >> i think she is one of the best people the the royal best people in the in the royal family i think she's probably the person holding whole family i think she's probably the p

if she dressed down like meghan markle does . um, well, markle sometimes does. um, well, kate does dress down, sometimes she sometimes she always she does, sometimes she always looks tremendously elegant. and i think people love her for that. and if there is one duchess sitting over in california who who california who is who is writhing in jealousy about it, that's a small price to pay for the for the for the huge pleasure that that kate middleton brings to the british pubuc middleton brings to the british public at large . public at large. >> well done her good for her. i think the only one seeking revenge is potentially , in my revenge is potentially, in my view, meghan and confucius said that if you're going to dig, you know, you as well dig know, you might as well dig yourself. you're yourself. two graves. if you're going seek revenge . one for yourself. two graves. if you're goirperson�*ek revenge . one for yourself. two graves. if you're goirperson you.�*venge . one for yourself. two graves. if you're goirperson you. yes,|e . one for yourself. two graves. if you're goirperson you. yes, and)ne for yourself. two graves. if you're goirperson you. yes, and oneor yourself. two graves. if you're goirperson you. yes, and one for the person you. yes, and one for your future. was it? yeah. confucius mean, look, i mean, >> yeah. i mean, look, i mean, the sending the idea that she's sending secret meghan , i secret messages to meghan, i mean, would she bother? mean, why would she bother? she's with being she's just getting on with being whatever mean, she's just getting on with being whate\going mean, she's just getting on with being whate\going to mean, she's just getting on with being whate\going to be mean, she's just getting on with being whate\going to be queen|ean, she's just getting on with being whate\going to be queen one. she is going to be queen one day, presumably. she has to day, presumably. so she has to look presentable. look tidy and presentable. that's does. and that's what she does. and meghan's to live in meghan's decided to live in california with with harry and whatever else she does over there. the idea that they're sending a message to each other with nonsense.

>> don't women >> well, you don't know women because i think, kate, i think she's fabulous. i love the way she's fabulous. i love the way she dresses and she has taken no nofice she dresses and she has taken no notice of all this, the shenanigans that been shenanigans that have been she hasn't put a foot wrong. >> from. she >> she's learned from. she carried on with it, learned from. she's from. it's amazing. she's learned from the queen. she's never foot wrong. and never put a foot wrong. and i wouldn't true of wouldn't say that was true of every the royal every member of the royal family. currently. >> isn't it? >> acting certainly isn't it? >> acting certainly isn't it? >> it certainly >> certainly isn't. it certainly isn't. so what do you think, then, kate? uh, ten points. meghan zero probably. >> i don't well, i agree with norman. actually. i think it's a nonsense story that she's sending messages, you know, coded messages. um, through her clothes. >> she has a much bigger audience than the duchess of suffolk . suffolk. >> well, and that's the british public. and i think the british pubuc public. and i think the british public are actually coming. have come to love kate middleton very much come to love kate middleton very mu well, let's what >> well, let's see what you've been saying you've getting been saying. you've been getting involved. far too much involved. les says far too much of our taxes wasted the of our taxes are wasted on the nhs net zero nhs diversity and net zero managers, which equates to mismanagement of funding . uh, mismanagement of funding. uh, sue says there is plenty of money in the nhs, but it's just not being spent properly. we've

got quite a few more emails coming in, keep them coming. gb views com we will, i views gb news. com we will, i will read those out throughout the tuned because the show, but stay tuned because lois will be joining as lois perry will be joining me as part panel alongside with part of my panel alongside with lois . oh, yes. part of my panel alongside with lois. oh, yes. uh simon danczuk will be here as well. uh, so stay tuned for all of that. you're with me. i'm nana akua . you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is a gb news on the way. my monologue. cleverly , not monologue. james cleverly, not so is it okay to joke so cleverly, is it okay to joke about drugging women ? about drugging women? >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> hello there, i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. it is blustery out there, particularly across the northern half of the uk. very strong gusts of 6070 miles an hour could lead to some travel disruption on christmas eve disruption on this christmas eve , and it's only replaced by further areas of low pressure as we move christmas day . we move into christmas day. plenty on the chart plenty of isobars on the chart indicating it stays windy for the rest of the evening time.

bluster high winds across much of the uk, particularly across northern scotland , these tending northern scotland, these tending to overnight further to ease overnight further outbreaks of rain for southern parts england and wales. parts of england and wales. clearer scotland clearer skies across scotland will allow a touch of frost here, most of the cloud here, but for most of the cloud cover will mild 5 to 12 cover it will be mild 5 to 12 celsius to start christmas day morning, we could see some brighter skies across central northern parts of england and also across northeast scotland for a time, but then cloudy for most as we move through the day itself . outbreaks of across itself. outbreaks of rain across england which could england and wales, which could be brisk winds be heavy at times. brisk winds two for showery rain across scotland . northern ireland, some scotland. northern ireland, some of falling as snow over of the rain falling as snow over the ground of scotland the higher ground of scotland officially likely to be a white christmas. but for the vast majority , mild and a wet majority, mild and a wet christmas . 1213 celsius as a christmas. 1213 celsius as a maximum temperature . for the maximum temperature. for the good news is, though, it will be much drier and brighter on boxing day. plenty of sunny spells, wintry showers across boxing day. plenty of sunny spe northern/ showers across boxing day. plenty of sunny spe northern half wers across boxing day. plenty of sunny spe northern half of rs across boxing day. plenty of sunny spe northern half of scotland on the northern half of scotland on a brisk northerly breeze here, and temperatures back to where they should be for the time of

yeah they should be for the time of year. doesn't long they should be for the time of ye'further doesn't long they should be for the time of ye'further wetasn't long they should be for the time of ye'further wet and long they should be for the time of ye'further wet and windy)ng they should be for the time of ye'further wet and windy weather as further wet and windy weather spreads wednesday . looks spreads in for wednesday. looks like things are heating up . like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers spot hours of weather on gb news as. >> well, this is gb news on tv, onune >> well, this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i just thought i'd read some of your emails because some more have come through. david on the strikes said that next strikes said that the next general election, the tories just do just need to ask the public, do you governed you want to be governed by an elected or trade? elected government or trade? trade union militants? good question . uh, graham, on strikes question. uh, graham, on strikes i fully agree with you that they shouldn't allowed strike. shouldn't be allowed to strike. this about nhs. this is about the nhs. also, i think being greedy think they're being greedy and holding to ransom. holding the country to ransom. it disgraceful. and finally, holding the country to ransom. it saysraceful. and finally, holding the country to ransom. it says it:eful. and finally, holding the country to ransom. it says it was. and finally, holding the country to ransom. it says it was admitted lly, holding the country to ransom. it says it was admitted by the rob says it was admitted by the leadership was leadership that this was political. similarly surely those winds refusing to those winds is refusing to return to offices, are in return to their offices, are in breach . right. well breach of contract. right. well listen, that coming up, i've listen, all that coming up, i've got a monologue cleverly, got a monologue not so cleverly, james. stay tuned. that is on the next .

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.we'll be debating discussing it at times. we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today is ex—labour mp simon danczuk. nice to be with you and also director of car 26, lois perry . you and also director of car 26, lois perry. but you and also director of car 26, lois perry . but before we get . lois perry. but before we get. started, let's get your latest news with ray . news with ray. >> thanks, nana. good afternoon. >> thanks, nana. good afternoon. >> it's 4:00. »- >> it's 4:00. >> i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. our top stories this houn newsroom. our top stories this hour. police are urging drivers to care on the roads to take extra care on the roads following a number of collisions in the past 24 hours in northumbria . there's an appeal northumbria. there's an appeal for witnesses after two teenagers were killed in a crash in cramlington. and a woman and teen died in another incident in oldham in greater manchester. well, millions of motorists are on the roads this weekend. the aa telling drivers to expect lengthy jams as people travel for their christmas getaways. the met office is also warning of the risk of flying debris and

power cuts, with wind gusts of up to 70mph hitting parts of scotland and northern england. rail passengers have been deaung rail passengers have been dealing with delays and cancellations , with major london cancellations, with major london stations euston, king's cross and paddington all closed for engineering works . a man has engineering works. a man has been arrested in connection with the death of a woman in a suspected hit and run in essex , suspected hit and run in essex, marie theobald and her two dogs were killed while walking in chigwell on friday. in a statement, her family described the 48 year old as a loving mother and daughter who would do anything for anyone . a second anything for anyone. a second man has now been arrested in connection with the removal of a banksy in south—east london. in the artwork, a stop sign covered with three aircraft that look like military drones was discovered at an intersection in peckham on friday. a man in his 40s has now been arrested on suspicion of theft and criminal damage. yesterday, a man in his 20s was arrested. he has since

been bailed pending further enquiries . been bailed pending further enquiries. the home been bailed pending further enquiries . the home secretary enquiries. the home secretary has apologised for joking enquiries. the home secretary has apologised forjoking about has apologised for joking about putting a rape drug in his wife's drinks. just hours after announcing plans to crack down on spiking . james cleverly on spiking. james cleverly reportedly joked that he puts a little bit of rohypnol in his wife's drink every night, so she doesn't realise there are better men out there. end quote the comments were said to have been made at a downing street reception, which are normally off the record, but the sunday mirror broke convention and reported it. the royal navy is deploying a warship to guyana as tensions grow with neighbouring venezuela. the hms trent will take part in a joint exercises in the region, with the ministry of defence, saying it's part of the government's defence diplomacy. the uk is working with the south american nation to ensure its territorial integrity after a historical dispute with venezuela over

minerals and oil. dispute with venezuela over minerals and oil . party leaders minerals and oil. party leaders may be at odds in parliament, but they are united in spreading festive cheer this year. now warning for those of you watching on television, some of the video we're about to show contains flash photography in his christmas message, the prime minister offered a promise of a brighter future, while labour's sir keir starmer said that the story of jesus is a reminder that in dark times, hope and love are always worth advocating for. both leaders have thanked frontline and key workers for their service over this christmas period. >> christmas is a time of peace, joy, >> christmas is a time of peace, joy, compassion in a time of hope and a promise of a better world. and today, as we look ahead , let's keep that promise ahead, let's keep that promise of a brighter future burning into the new year . wherever you into the new year. wherever you are and whatever you are doing for the festivities. i wish you all a very merry christmas and a happy new year. >> as communities across britain gather together for a period of faith and festivities , i want to

faith and festivities, i want to wish you all a very merry christmas. throughout the christmas. throughout the christmas period, we see the bonds of kinship rekindled as families and friends share in the joy, the hope and the optimism that christmas provides . well, the king will deliver his second christmas message from a room decorated with a living christmas tree for the first time ever, a photograph has been released ahead of tomorrow's broadcast. king charles is , as we know, a long charles is, as we know, a long time environmental campaigner, so sustainable and natural ornaments are hanging from the tree, which will be replant at a later date. you can watch the king's message here on gb news at 3 p.m. on christmas day. king's message here on gb news at 3 p.m. on christmas day . well at 3 p.m. on christmas day. well tomorrow is set to be the warmest christmas day in more than a century with the met office, with the met office saying that temperatures will reach 14 or even scorching 15 degrees. forecasters saying that we could also see 16 degrees across parts of yorkshire today. it means a white christmas has

been ruled out for most of the country, apart from northern scotland, the warmest 25th of december on record was 15.6 degrees. way back . in 1920, and degrees. way back. in 1920, and old father christmas is on the move again. his journey delivering presents to children around the world, now well underway . if you're watching on underway. if you're watching on tv, you can see live footage now of the norad santa tracker . the of the norad santa tracker. the nonh of the norad santa tracker. the north american aerospace defence command is monitoring his movements, and it shows that he's currently on his way to burma . so far, he's delivered burma. so far, he's delivered over 1.7 billion presents to children all over the globe . and children all over the globe. and heathrow airport has confirmed that santa is due to arrive in the uk just after midnight . it the uk just after midnight. it says any passengers carrying carrots in their hand luggage should be aware that they may attract reindeer . be careful out attract reindeer. be careful out there. this is gb news across there. this is gb news across

the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get straight back to . nana >> well, it's fast approaching seven minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i like to call this one not so cleverly . james this one not so cleverly. james home secretary james cleverly, the man who has been given it all to talk about cracking down on drink spiking, came out with this comment about his wife. he said a little bit of rohypnol in her drink every night was not really illegal. if it's only a little bit, he then laughed and went on to say that the secret to a long marriage was ensuring your spouse was someone who is always mildly sedated , so she always mildly sedated, so she can never realise there are better men out there , yet only

better men out there, yet only hours before , on channel 4, he hours before, on channel 4, he said this updating the law to make it more relevant to make it explicit to spiking so the police officers can understand it and deploy it so that people hear that it is completely unacceptable and we are cracking down on it. >> but as well as the legislation, of course, we are doing a whole load of other things. training, awareness. i've got teenage boys and amongst their friendship group, it's well known that this is a prevalent problem and we are going to get we have got to crack down on this. we've got to give the police the powers that they need. modern up to date legislation, not something from the victorian era or the sad truth is that women in particular have been victimised for centuries. but it's not inevitable. it's not acceptable all. and we are certainly not just going to pretend that that's just a by—product of the modern world, because it isn't. and it mustn't.

>> how can anyone take him seriously ? seriously? >> dear god, what was his thinking saying that okay, now i like a joke or two. >> and perhaps if he'd said this privately to a group of lads, he may have got away with it. it's you know, that's not to say that men don't get spiked that men don't get spiked and that some women wouldn't also find his amusing , some women wouldn't also find his amusing, but how his comments amusing, but how bad judgement if he bad is his judgement if he thinks this is an thinks that this is an appropriate thing to say in front of a widely female audience in downing street, after making calls to give harsher punishments to those who spiked drinks, a spokesperson for the home secretary said in what was always understood as a private conversation, james, the home secretary tackling spiking , home secretary tackling spiking, made what was clearly meant to be an ironic joke for which he apologises . i mean, previously apologises. i mean, previously james has described tackling violence against women and girls as personal, as a personal priority and called spiking a perverse crime. so which one are you, james? but his comments are

also making light of drink spiking is also handed a beating stick to labour, who's senior figures called his comments appalling . alex davies—jones appalling. alex davies—jones shadow minister for domestic violence and safeguarding , shadow minister for domestic violence and safeguarding, said it was a joke . it's the most it was a joke. it's the most tired excuse in the book and no one is buying it. if he if the home secretary is serious about tackling spiking and violence against women and girls, then that requires a full cultural change. the banter needs to stop and it has to start at the top. well, shadow home secretary yvette cooper said spiking is a disturbing and serious crime , disturbing and serious crime, which is having a devastating impact on young women's lives. it is truly unbelievable that the home secretary made such an appalling joke on the very same day, the government announced new policies on spiking . okay, new policies on spiking. okay, so here's where i stand on it. spiking someone's drink is tantamount to poisoning. it . is tantamount to poisoning. it. is a wicked and terrible thing to do. it is a complete invasion of someone's body and should be

properly dealt with by the legal system. and i can't see any way that i would find this amusing. with over 6700 reported cases of spiking since may last year in england and wales, including almost a thousand of them by needle . it's just not funny, needle. it's just not funny, james. police are receiving over 500 reports of spiking each month and in the main , women are month and in the main, women are the victims . what a stupid thing the victims. what a stupid thing for home secretary to say about a joke , especially at this time a joke, especially at this time of year when bars and nightclubs, which is where most of these incidents occur , are at of these incidents occur, are at their busiest season . killers their busiest season. killers like steven port and rapists alike have used that very drug rohypnol to ensnare their victims. not so cleverly, james. it looks like it's home. james. for you. time for home secretary number. whatever . but before we

number. whatever. but before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, is it okay joke about spiking it okay to joke about spiking women and asked. home secretary james cleverly makes a joke about it. um, what do you think? just hours after the government introduced measures tackle introduced measures to tackle the , then at 450, its the issue, then at 450, its worldview go cross across worldview will go cross across live los angeles with paul live to los angeles with paul duddridge, host of the duddridge, the host of the politics people get politics people podcast, to get the on 2024. and, of the latest on 2024. and, of course, presidential course, the presidential election. plus is joe biden on his way out? not literally , but his way out? not literally, but maybe he is. he's impeachment is gathering pace as he continues to be wrapped up in controversy surrounding his son, hunter. uh, that's all coming up. stay tuned. it's in the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. you can gbviews@gbnews.com everything we're discussing. you can me gbviews@gbnews.com everything we're discussing. you can me at)views@gbnews.com everything we're discussing. you can me at .'iews@gbnews.com everything we're discussing. you can me at . gb s@gbnews.com everything we're discussing. you can me at . gb news. ews.com everything we're discussing. you can me at. gb news. right.m everything we're discussing. you can me at . gb news. right. so tweet me at. gb news. right. so let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel, former labour mp simon danczuk and also political commentator and director of cop26, lois perry.

simon, a little bit of your shoulders in lois shot. you need to. on bring yourself to me, boy. come this way. so come on, boy, come on over. >> well, but yeah , right. >> well, but yeah, right. >> well, but yeah, right. >> well, but yeah, right. >> well we've started well , what >> well we've started well, what do you think, simon danczuk? i'm going to start with you. is it time for another home secretary? i know number we're i don't know what number we're on no, no. well think it's >> no, no. well i think it's obviously serious issue. obviously a very serious issue. >> to crack down >> they are right to crack down on and more about on it and take more action about it. guy was making a it. but the guy was making a joke . i'm with this. he joke. i'm with him on this. he was a joke in private and was making a joke in private and he's not in private, though let's be honest, no private it was i know, i know, sorry, let me finish. >> private means that you're maybe with friends and family. that's view. doesn't maybe with friends and family. that'sthat view. doesn't maybe with friends and family. that'sthat you're. doesn't maybe with friends and family. that'sthat you're a doesn't maybe with friends and family. that'sthat you're a 10 oesn't maybe with friends and family. that'sthat you're a 10 downing mean that you're a 10 downing street talking the press. street talking to the press. that's that's. that's pretty stupid. that's. >> that >> everybody would know that it was and labour come was a joke. and labour to come out say, that's an out there and say, oh, that's an excuse calling a joke. excuse for calling it a joke. well, exactly what it is. well, that's exactly what it is. it be an unsavoury joke. it might be an unsavoury joke. some appreciate it. some might not appreciate it. many people are faking astonishment and disgust at it, but the reality is he was telling ,

but the reality is he was telling, perhaps a bad joke, but nevertheless it was a joke. but i think we should forgive. >> and we can forgive him. but what the timing? mean, what about the timing? i mean, how have to be to how stupid do you have to be to go having people how go out? having told people how serious the offence is, and then come out say that's come out and say that that's pretty stupid. >> you know , it >> well, i mean, you know, it was a joke. >> i mean, and i'm saying this as someone who has been spiked and with somebody at the and woke up with somebody at the end of bed, having said that, end of my bed, having said that, they'd been me and i no they'd been with me and i had no recollection of whatsoever. recollection of it whatsoever. >> said that. yeah, that >> having said that. yeah, that was horrific and affected me immensely . i still think that immensely. i still think that you should be able to make jokes i >>i >> i really, if lam >> i really, if i joke about it, to you after you tell me the story of, you know, oh, wait, let you timing of let me give you the timing of this. tell me about it this. so you tell me about it and i then make a joke of and then i then make a joke of it. would you find that it. hang on. would you find that funny? answer. the funny? no. no answer. the question. would find funny? >> answering the question. >> made joke question. >> if you made a joke about it on back having just on the back of me having just told that information. told you that information. >> yeah, think personal >> yeah, i think it was personal to wasn't being to me. but he wasn't being personal. he was talking about his was his wife. look, it was inappropriate, but but, you know, but you've just you've

know, but but you've just you've just admitted it. there is a very, can but very, very you can joke, but if your secretary first of your home secretary first of all, you have a level of responsibility . he a responsibility. yeah, he made a mistake. responsibility. yeah, he made a mistake secondly , you have just >> and secondly, you have just made a comment telling people the very opposite of the thing you're saying. and now you're making there making light of it. and there are people victims of are people who are victims of this it's to this thing, and it's just not to the point. >> making light of it >> it wasn't making light of it to the public. wasn't sort to the public. it wasn't a sort of information of a public information statement. realities, statement. and the realities, as you , it's just like being you know, it's just like being in at top level of in the media at top level of politics like he is. you're deaung politics like he is. you're dealing massive, dealing with some massive, serious . he has made a serious issues. he has made a mistake. his time in is terrible. >> maybe he thought, this girl is just like being >> maybe he thought, this girl isjust like being in >> maybe he thought, this girl is just like being in the media. >> well, maybe he just kept his woman. absolutely. >> well, maybe he just kept his wormaybe absolutely. >> well, maybe he just kept his wormaybe he absolutely. >> well, maybe he just kept his wormaybe he abs> maybe he just wants to go. >> maybe he just wants to go. >> you've probably enough. >> you've probably had enough. >> look, look. >> look, look. >> okay. you're right. the timing in terms of policy announcements and everything was on fortunate. but i do think have being able to make jokes about things was so important. >> talk about that. we >> we will talk about that. we will about that with will talk about that with the debate. the question i'm debate. but the question i'm asking then is regard asking you then is with regard to, know , i don't know what to, you know, i don't know what

we're now, home secretary and we're on now, home secretary and nine nine? i think know nine is it nine? i think i know when i a i could name, when i was a kid i could name, you know, i could name all of the was a bit you know, i could name all of th> they're evolving, but it's what don't know what they do that i don't know of what they're doing. so one is now secretary, that now home secretary, then that one now one is education minister. now that is and that one. that one is this and that one. then something else. and then there's something else. and actually it's actually moving around. it's like , nothing like a carousel, but nothing gets keeps moving. gets done. it just keeps moving. musical every every time musical every time, every time there's something for them to do, spin the do, they go, let's spin the carousel. want to carousel. we don't want to do anything . let's spin the anything. let's spin the carousel. move there, you carousel. you move to there, you move to there. >> we'll start you might >> we'll start again. you might have glasses of have had a couple of glasses of champagne. you think champagne. nana. do you think that here? >> you t though? here? >> you though? perhaps >> do you think, though? perhaps so. perhaps that he so. do you think perhaps that he needs now because of what needs to go now because of what he's demonstrating? >> i think it's a reason you don't not go don't think he will not go anywhere. i don't that anywhere. i don't believe that for prime minister for a minute. the prime minister will stay will forgive him. he'll stay where and will where he is and rishi will forgive anything. helpfully, helpfully, is in the helpfully, christmas is in the way. everybody will have way. so everybody will have moved from it. by that could moved on from it. by that could be completely with this. be completely wrong with this. >> he's probably gone by tomorrow, think

tomorrow, but, uh, i think christmas is helpful him . christmas is helpful to him. >> we're all into christmas. we'll come out of it the other side, and he'll still be there. >> does tell you >> but what does that tell you about >> but what does that tell you abooh, well, there is an issue there. >> he knows he's going to lose the election on the 3rd of may. he he's going. knows the election on the 3rd of may. he handing s going. knows the election on the 3rd of may. he handing s going. over)ws the election on the 3rd of may. he handing s going. over to; he's handing the baton over to keir starmer. >> two they're >> they're two they're two parties. they're one party. it's all . all planned. >> absolute theatre . >> it's all absolute theatre. >> it's all absolute theatre. >> this is a guy who wants to be prime minister wants to be leader of the conservative party. >> james cleverly yeah is >> james cleverly yeah i this is probably reduced his chances of getting i wouldn't care. getting that i wouldn't care. >> multimillionaire . >> he's a multimillionaire. >> he's a multimillionaire. >> really like >> no, i actually really like it. very disappointed it. and i'm very disappointed that he would , with his that he would, with his judgement such a thing. judgement to do such a thing. then! judgement to do such a thing. then i think he could have been wiser. know, all crack wiser. you know, we all crack jokes. seems a great quy- >> quy- 9”!!- >> no, no, guy- >> no, no, i'm going >> well, no, no, i'm not going to be hanging with him in to be hanging out with him in january. yeah, he probably january. yeah, well he probably won't want to talk me. january. yeah, well he probably worlisten,: to talk me. january. yeah, well he probably worlisten, james.. me. january. yeah, well he probably worlisten,james.. me.james, january. yeah, well he probably vicouldn'tjames.. me.james, january. yeah, well he probably vicouldn'tletnes.. me.james, january. yeah, well he probably vicouldn'l let you. me.james, january. yeah, well he probably vicouldn'l let you. me. hook. , i couldn't let you off the hook. james that was just james i mean, that was just a completely to james i mean, that was just a com afterly to james i mean, that was just a com after what to james i mean, that was just a com after what you to james i mean, that was just a com after what you just to james i mean, that was just a com after what you just said, 0 james i mean, that was just a com after what you just said, so say after what you just said, so i'm afraid i had to put you in my had my monologue. i had written a very christmassy one, very nice christmassy one, but you option. so i'm. you gave me the option. so i'm. unfortunately, what unfortunately, that's what happened. and we'll be talking

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with me, michael portillo, gb news. >> britain's news channel . >> britain's news channel. >> britain's news channel. >> it's funny one minutes after 4:00, if you've just tuned in, where have you been? it's fine though, we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. it's christmas eve . i know akua. it's christmas eve. i know it's so exciting. i've actually been around the shops buying stuff before i got here. stuff quickly before i got here. but listen, lots you have but listen, lots of you have been touch regarding been getting in touch regarding the with james the discussion with james cleverly. uh, carl says firstly , cleverly. uh, carl says firstly, i love your show. thanks, carl. yeah uh, secondly, i think james cleverly should resign the making a joke in private or pubuc making a joke in private or public doesn't wash . would he public doesn't wash. would he joke rape ? well, that's joke about rape? well, that's the thing, isn't he? it's not funny all. lorraine no, funny at all. lorraine says. no, no , no, no, there are some no, no, no, there are some things you just don't joke about

. yeah, and, uh, daphne says no, no, no, not a joke , not funny. no, no, not a joke, not funny. idiot i get rid of him and i'm the unwoke woman. oh, and if i was his wife, i'd give him a slap . i love your show. thank slap. i love your show. thank you. could you match it, james? i don't think she will. but it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, is it to okay joke about spiking ? it sounds home spiking women? it sounds home secretary james cleverly apologises for joking about spiking wife hours spiking his own wife just hours after the government introduced legislation to battle the issue. so for the great british debate i'm asking is it okay to joke about spiking women? well, joining me to discuss is journalist and broadcaster julie cook , former brexit mep belinda cook, former brexit mep belinda de lucy , former liberal democrat de lucy, former liberal democrat minister norman baker and conservative peer lord daniel moylan. okay, so i'm going to start with you, julie. talk to me about this. what's your thought on this ? thought on this? >> i don't think it's ever okay. and i think what he's done is incredibly wrong because whether he's it's in jest or it's about

his wife or whatever, he is the home secretary and he is above reproach . it's all very well. reproach. it's all very well. people saying, oh, comedians joke about this all the time. he's not a comedian . here's the he's not a comedian. here's the second most important person in this country. and no, he shouldn't joke about it. >> he shouldn't joke about at >> he shouldn't joke about it at all. go to belinda, all. okay, let's go to belinda, the lucy. belinda, your thoughts ? >> 7- >> uh, 7_ >> uh, well, 7— >> uh, well, my ? >> uh, well, my thoughts are basically i look , he wasn't basically i look, he wasn't joking about rape. >> we have to look at the facts here. he wasn't joking about rape. >> he was actually joking about himself and praising his wife in the joke. >> he was making fun of himself. um, so the joke was not directed at women. he was not joking about using rohypnol to use abuse or rape women, which would have been, you know, completely horrific. >> he the joke was on him. it was completely in bad taste and inappropriate. my concern would be his naivety and the fact, you know , as as home, home, uh, um, know, as as home, home, uh, um, minister office minister, he um ,

minister office minister, he um, uh, it has an obligation to, uh, be responsible for the words that come out of his mouth to journalists. >> you know, i haven't been in the in the media political world for very long. >> nana. and i'm a tiny, tiny fish in comparison. but my goodness, to talking goodness, if i was to talking journalists, i would wary journalists, i would be wary of my history area my words. but the history area that i've been reading about him being a danger to women and about him joking about rape, i think taking it too , for think is taking it too, for spiking women's drinks in evil. only the scum of the earth in selly weirdos do it and they should be locked away for a very, very , very long time. and very, very, very long time. and it was really unfortunate that he used the drug rohypnol . and he used the drug rohypnol. and of course ketamine is used. sedov tives are used 600 reports of uh to the police from women of uh to the police from women of having their drinks spiked a month. it is a real thing and it is a it ruins so many lives. i have four teenage daughters and unfortunate their behaviour has had to change because albeit a tiny, tiny minority, of course,

you know, i love i love and respect men, but it is a tiny minority still significant enough to change the behaviour of my daughters lives when they go out for a drink now. so it is a serious thing. completely a serious thing. i completely get that. and the timing of it was completely stupid. was so was completely stupid. i was so surprised and disappointed that he did that. and i'm no defender of the tories, you know that. nana. don't vote tory myself, of the tories, you know that. nani. don't vote tory myself, of the tories, you know that. nani do don't vote tory myself, of the tories, you know that. nani do think vote tory myself, of the tories, you know that. nani do think we! tory myself, of the tories, you know that. nani do think we need myself, of the tories, you know that. nani do think we need to rself, but i do think we need to remember the facts. he was not joking about rape, he was joking or using the drug to hurt or abuse women. he was joking about himself being not good enough for wife. himself being not good enough for yeah, fe. himself being not good enough for yeah, fe mean, himself being not good enough for yeah, femean, i get it >> yeah, i mean, i get it self—effacing. was, you self—effacing. and he was, you know, was humour, but he is, know, it was humour, but he is, even if he calls it a private, uh, meeting or they're calling it that. if you're speaking to the press and the press are involved, and as i understand it, there's mostly women there that's just not really wise. norman baker, i think it was a terrible thing to say for anybody, actually, but particularly a home office minister. >> and i speak as a former home office minister myself, when you

learn be very careful learn to be very careful about matters are particularly matters which are particularly within own department, is within your own department, is this this is and him to this as this is and for him to make sort of joke a make that sort of joke a diverted commerce? no joke about it. at the same time as the it. uh, at the same time as the government is bringing forward march legislation, is march into that legislation, is just belief. march into that legislation, is just let's belief. march into that legislation, is just let's face belief. march into that legislation, is just let's face it, belief. march into that legislation, is just let's face it, he's belief. march into that legislation, is just let's face it, he's had)elief. but let's face it, he's had foreman in in clumsy comments. it wasn't very long ago he insulted gratuitously stockton insulted gratuitously stockton in calling it a well, let's expletive deleted , expletive expletive deleted, expletive deleted , uh hole. you then said, deleted, uh hole. you then said, oh , i didn't mean that. i was oh, i didn't mean that. i was talking about the mp . well, talking about the mp. well, whole an mp don't sound very similar to me, so he seems to be willing sound off in a way willing to sound off in a way that's most inappropriate for someone. so senior in government. and don't government. and i don't think it's appropriate for him to be in moment. frankly >> um, lord daniel moylan well, i've known and worked with james for and think for a long time, and i think everyone the everyone would agree he's the nicest of guys, actually. >> he's probably learnt >> um, he's probably learnt a lesson now, which is the great lesson now, which is the great lesson of modern politics, which is you should never, ever tell a joke. ever, in any circumstance , joke. ever, in any circumstance, because there is bound to be somebody out there who takes

offence at it, and you will get the prospect of harriet harman and the force that's society and all sorts of people behaving like they lady bracknell in like they were lady bracknell in an oscar wilde play . um, and it an oscar wilde play. um, and it just isn't worth the trouble. um, and the other thing is, of course, we all, we've all started jokes and then without realising , we sort of it dawns realising, we sort of it dawns on us halfway through the joke that the punchline is not going to land very well. so, um, and but it's too late to pull out of it by then. i suspect that's what happened with james here. and he shouldn't have done it. and he shouldn't have done it. and it obviously hasn't worked out terribly well for him. but the thing is you can't the great thing is you can't make at all nowadays. make any jokes at all nowadays. it's a very serious and dull world. i don't think that that's >> i don't think that that's fair to say, that you can make jokes, but that is some jokes, but that that is some jokes, but that that is some joke . joke. >> who isn't offended by a joke? i mean, you say it's inappropriate to make these remarks, agree that remarks, and i'd agree with that . don't think he should have . i don't think he should have made joke, but the whole made this joke, but the whole point of jokes is that they're a play point of jokes is that they're a play inappropriateness. it's play on inappropriateness. it's when you know, why did when you ask, you know, why did the cross it's

the chicken cross the road? it's because sort of odd and because it's sort of odd and funny chicken should be funny that a chicken should be crossing the in first crossing the road in the first place. . this is place. so inappropriate. this is the of jokes, isn't it? the essence of jokes, isn't it? >> well, it can be, but then you have also use your common have to also use your common sense. and i know what you said about a joke. he about pulling out of a joke. he started then it didn't started it, but then it didn't just there. started just stop there. he started it. and he went on he and then he went on on. he carried on embellished carried on and embellished it a bit. then laughed went bit. so he then laughed and went on secret to long on to say the secret to a long marriage . it ensuring marriage. it was ensuring your spouse who was spouse was someone who was always mildly sedated. other always mildly sedated. the other thing that's problem. thing is, that's the problem. >> thing can i just >> this thing about can i just say about the press? >> yes, of course, if make >> yes, of course, if you make a remark expect remark to the press, you expect it reported , but at it to be reported, but at the same it's also the case same time it's also the case that journalists are in certain circumstances , like when they're circumstances, like when they're ianed circumstances, like when they're invited to a party, are willing to come on terms that they're switching off that nothing said here is on the record. they're switching off, they're not at work. and so i think to say that it was simply because it was in front of journalists, you expect it to reported. i think is, it to be reported. i think is, um, you can still be private um, is you can still be private with journalists. >> julie, are you buying that?

you can still be private with journalists at downing street joking about something after being serious about it being very serious about it earlier ? earlier? >> don't i don't and he's >> no, i don't i don't and he's meant to be media savvy. you know, he's an incredibly high up position. he should know better . position. he should know better. i'm journalist. journalists i'm a journalist. journalists never off. we've always never switch off. we've always got our ears he knows that. >> all well, i won't have >> all right, well, i won't have you my that you to my party that day. >> he's talked about. >> he's talked about. >> he's talked date rape >> he's talked about. >> ihowtalked date rape >> he's talked about. >> ihowtalked to date rape >> he's talked about. >> ihowtalked to be ate rape >> he's talked about. >> ihowtalked to be takenie and how it needs to be taken more then joke more seriously to then joke about it's just absurd. more seriously to then joke about it'sjust absurd. it's about it. it's just absurd. it's almost the have almost like the tories have given to care given up and don't seem to care anymore about people anymore about how people view them. know it does seem like them. i know it does seem like that, but we're on the home secretary number. >> does anyone know what number are you on? let's see. what do you think is it belinda on you think is it nine? belinda on number nine. think it's about number nine. i think it's about about nine. >> thing we need >> and the last thing we need now, would way now, even though i would way prefer suella as home secretary, the need now, the the last thing we need now, the country another home country is another home secretary. we need stability at the moment. and i and i would say don't there's say this, i don't think there's anything wrong in in comedians and in jokes being made about difficult, messy, awful

situations. i remember the horrific jokes being made about diana, you know, straight after her death in private. they were awful . but her death in private. they were awful. but but, you her death in private. they were awful . but but, you know, we're awful. but but, you know, we're humans . we can laugh. it was the humans. we can laugh. it was the timing of it that he was trying to be taken seriously over the rohypnol , uh, date rape drug. rohypnol, uh, date rape drug. and then making light of this coercive drug and journalists. that, to me was just stupid . but that, to me was just stupid. but i not think he was . he was i do not think he was. he was targeting or demeaning targeting women or demeaning women's experience at all with the joke. i just think it was badly timed. >> and so norman baker, yes or no, can you joke about spiking women's drinks? >> don't think can. i >> i don't think you can. and i don't think learned his don't think he's learned his lesson thinks might lesson as daniel thinks he might have done, he didn't lesson as daniel thinks he might have hise, he didn't lesson as daniel thinks he might have hise, after,e didn't lesson as daniel thinks he might have hise, after, uh,in't lesson as daniel thinks he might have those after, uh,in't lesson as daniel thinks he might have those remarkser, uh,in't lesson as daniel thinks he might have those remarks aboutin't after those remarks about stockton. and i'd like to know what mrs. to pick up on your viewers. is mrs. cleverly viewers. what is mrs. cleverly think about that. >> love to know daniel. yes >> i'd love to know daniel. yes or you joke about or no? can you joke about spiking drink ? spiking someone's drink? >> no, can't joke about anything. >> nora forster politician. >> nora forster politician. >> never do give it up. >> never do give it up. >> don't jokes. don't >> stop. don't make jokes. don't be boring. be funny. be dull, be boring. duly >> can you. you joke about >> can you. can you joke about that? yes or no? no.

>> you can't. >>- >> you can't. >> it's as we've said . >> it's as we've said. >>— >> it's as we've said. >> we know the statistics. well, we don't know the statistics. that's the point. there could be even worse than we think. we know problem know it's a really big problem at moment women going at the moment for women going out, we can't joke about it. out, and we can't joke about it. we take more seriously. >> and finally, belinda, yes or no? one word answer. can we no? just one word answer. can we or can't we? we joke. >> ah, i mean, yes, you can joke about anything, but but it had the timing and you have to read the timing and you have to read the room with your audience. >> i would say so . so you can. >> i would say so. so you can. so— >> i would say so. so you can. so yes from you. so the answer is yes from you. all thank you so much to all right. thank you so much to juue all right. thank you so much to julie journalist, former julie cook, journalist, former brexit mep belinda de lucy , brexit mep belinda de lucy, former liberal democrat minister norman , also conservative norman baker, also conservative peen norman baker, also conservative peer, lord daniel moylan. so what do you think? can joke what do you think? can you joke about . someone's drink about spiking. someone's drink in particular? women. can you joke that? you're with me. joke about that? you're with me. i'm nana is gb news i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. up, we'll continue radio. coming up, we'll continue with the great british debate this it this hour. i'm asking, is it okay about spiking okay to joke about spiking women? you'll hear the thoughts of simon danczuk and of my panel simon danczuk and lewis , i'll be lewis perry, and also, i'll be asking speaking to my great

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and i'm asking is it okay to joke about spiking women now? it's. this comes as home secretary james cleverly apologised joking about apologised for joking about spiking his own wife. just hours after the government announced legislation to battle the issue . legislation to battle the issue. not really a very wise in terms of timing, james, i like the man. i've never met him before. he seems like a decent guy, but, um, um, so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is it to okay about spiking it to okay joke about spiking women ? well, let's see what my women? well, let's see what my panel make that. i'm joined panel make of that. i'm joined by former labour mp simon danczuk political by former labour mp simon danczuk and political by former labour mp simon danczuk and cop26al by former labour mp simon danczuk and cop26 director commentator and cop26 director lois perry. lois, i'm going to start with yeah. is it okay start with you. yeah. is it okay to jokes about spiking to make jokes about spiking women? yeah >> i think it's okay to make jokes about spiking. >> not not about spiking , but >> not not about spiking, but about everything. >> and one of my great loves , >> and one of my great loves, one of my great comedian loves, is don rickles , who was the don is don rickles, who was the don rickles . rickles. >> is he alive or dead? >> is he alive or dead? >> he's very dead, actually. in the 1960s, 70s 80, he was the king of the roast. you know that ricky gervais probably learned

his craft from him. you think the golden globes and you need to be able to take the mickey, and i'm saying this as someone and i'm saying this as someone and i'm saying this as someone and i said this earlier on, who has experienced being raped, having been spiked. so i'm. yeah, you need a big admission. >> that's a big admission to say that to be able to laugh at things because if you do not have humour, that means that you can't things down. can't break things down. >> it means that you can't analyse things you know, can't fascist regimes, communist regimes , left extreme left, regimes, left extreme left, extreme right . they're both the extreme right. they're both the same thing. they hate humour and they hate religion . and there's they hate religion. and there's a for that. yeah, okay. they hate religion. and there's a but for that. yeah, okay. they hate religion. and there's a but you're|at. yeah, okay. they hate religion. and there's a but you're delving], okay. they hate religion. and there's a but you're delving into ay. >> but you're delving into a different layer and that's not the layer we're on. i'm not saying that you could neverjoke saying that you could never joke about anything, and that's something i'm into. >> on point >> the timing is on my point is that if you are the home secretary and you are in front of the press , even though it's of the press, even though it's supposedly a private gathering , supposedly a private gathering, and you have literally just said that, then you've literally just come out and you're creating a

campaign to make sure that people are punished properly for it. >> i don't really think it's appropriate. >> simon danczuk i'm really relaxed this. i'm becoming relaxed about this. i'm becoming increasingly relaxed about increasingly more relaxed about it more we talk about it. it the more we talk about it. is that the bottle of tatcho? >> i don't think he's been on this. >> how much have you been drinking? yeah, he's on that . he drinking? yeah, he's on that. he gave me one of one. gave me one of one. >> gave me one of one. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i'm completely with lois on this . uh, the >> i'm completely with lois on this. uh, the guy, i mean, timing isn't good, but he was just a joke in private. just making a joke in private. it wasn't for public consumption, and i think it's quite dismaying. i think it was one of the mirror group papers that broke. >> it was the mirror. yeah, that's right. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and i that's >> yeah. >> and i think that's not. it's not it's not, it's not gentlemen , >> it's not, it's not gentlemen, we know it's not. >> but their >> yeah. but but but their argument that argument their argument is that it public interest in it was in the public interest in particular because the particular because of the comments made. comments that he made. >> sorry. let me finish. sorry um, it is, of um, he's saying that it is, of course , the interest course, of the public interest because particular, he was because in particular, he was speaking earlier only moments earlier about how serious the offence is. and then he's joking about it in public. and i think

they're absolutely right to bnng they're absolutely right to bring it out. but there are rules protocols this rules and protocols around this in and in in terms of journalists and in terms of politicians, you know, so if you say to a politician, to a journalist in the lobby, a parliamentary journalist, uh, i'm to give you this i'm happy to give you this comment lobbies, on lobby comment on lobbies, on lobby terms, off the record, do not name me. >> and then they won't name you and they will stick to that . and and they will stick to that. and they never break that rule. it's a really strong rule. this they never break that rule. it's a sorty strong rule. this they never break that rule. it's a sorty squite rule. this they never break that rule. it's a sorty squite similar this they never break that rule. it's a sorty squite similar to this is sort of quite similar to that. disappointing that. so it is disappointing that. so it is disappointing that a tabloid newspaper has decided what they've done, decided to do what they've done, knowing well that the guy knowing full well that the guy was making a joke might have been crass, might have been badly a badly timed. he was making a joke in private, and i completely agree with you. >> he made a joke. he didn't drug his wife. and you know , and drug his wife. and you know, and joke about it in front of them. it was it was an ill advised, silly boy comment. yeah. and it was supposed to be chatham house rules . you know, things i do rules. you know, things i do agree with you that it is inappropriate on, especially on the basis of the fact that the

legislation an and the comments that he'd made. but oh come on, you know well, i totally disagree with both of you. >> i think it's totally inappropriate to talk about, which i think spiking is tantamount to poisoning. i think it's i it's evil. it's wicked. i think it's evil. and that, but spiking it's wicked. i think it's evil. arnow that, but spiking it's wicked. i think it's evil. arnow not that, but spiking it's wicked. i think it's evil. arnow not just,at, but spiking it's wicked. i think it's evil. arnow not just, um�*ut spiking it's wicked. i think it's evil. arnow not just, um ,t spiking it's wicked. i think it's evil. arnow not just, um , thankng it's wicked. i think it's evil. arnow not just, um , thank you. is now not just, um, thank you. it's not just about spiking someone in their drink. they are spiking with injection. sorry. excuse me. they're spiking with injection and they're spiking without people knowing about this. and the police are not doing very much about it. and in particular, think it's particular, i don't think it's acceptable. this thing acceptable. this is one thing that think , in view, that i don't think, in my view, is you joke about . is something you can joke about. i i love jokes, i'm i get it that i love jokes, i'm somebody sits with humour, somebody who sits with humour, but don't think find but i don't think i would find it very if someone spiked it very funny if someone spiked my drink all credit my drink and all credit to you that to come that you can come back to come back say that you're back with it and say that you're okay with someone about okay with someone talking about it like that. >> well, i, i not with >> well, i, i am not okay with people drinks . people spiking people's drinks. >> i am okay with people >> um, but i am okay with people making jokes in a private environment . making jokes in a private environment. can i just say to

you some of the worst jokes that i've ever heard about the holocaust have from jewish holocaust have come from jewish guys involved guys that i've been involved with. yeah. and you know, humour is a way of deflecting stuff. it's a way of dealing with stuff that, you know , they call it that, you know, they call it gallows humour. yeah no, i get that. it doesn't mean that i endorse. >> i get that , i get that, but >> i get that, i get that, but there are some things i just don't think. i don't find it funny . you know? i just do not funny. you know? i just do not find somebody saying, funny. you know? i just do not fincit's somebody saying, funny. you know? i just do not fincit's really somebody saying, funny. you know? i just do not fincit's really someb i dy saying, funny. you know? i just do not fincit's really somebi spiked1g, oh, it's really funny. i spiked my wife well, i get it. my wife drinks. well, i get it. >> nothing is for >> well, there's nothing is for james cleverly. that his james cleverly. is that his implementing policy is implementing a policy which is sorely making it sorely needed and making it tougher for people who commit these sorts of awful crimes. and yet he's lost complete credibility. well, he's lost well, well, that's the other thing is i get that. well, well, that's the other thirand i get that. well, well, that's the other thirand i think1at. well, well, that's the other thirand i think that, again, is >> and i think that, again, is really unfortunate he's really unfortunate that he's done that but listen, done that for that. but listen, the nothing without you done that for that. but listen, the your nothing without you done that for that. but listen, the your views.1ing without you done that for that. but listen, the your views.1ing vwelcome u and your views. let's welcome our onto our great british voices onto the show. their opportunity to come tell what they come on and tell us what they think the topics we're think about the topics we're discussing. i've got one of you. let's go to. where should go? let's go to. where should we go? northampton sure. yeah. why not? yeah let's speak miranda yeah let's speak to miranda richardson. the miranda

richardson. not. not the miranda richardson, but the gb news. miranda and miranda. miranda richardson and miranda. what think ? is it okay to what do you think? is it okay to joke about spiking people's dnnks joke about spiking people's drinks ? well, you run a pub, you drinks? well, you run a pub, you know, i, i run a pub, i run two pubs >> um, and completely inappropriate to make a joke like this for a couple of reasons. i'm with you. sit with humour. you have to, in this industry, have a sense of humour. but you know, the politicians need to realise it doesn't matter where they are. nothing private them. nothing stays private for them. whether they think it's a private conversation or not, it's always to come up. it's always going to come up. this man is raising two sons, it's always going to come up. thisknow, s raising two sons, it's always going to come up. this know, we|ising two sons, it's always going to come up. this know, we forget:wo sons, it's always going to come up. this know, we forget that ons, it's always going to come up. this know, we forget that as;, you know, we forget that as well. what kind of example is he setting there? it's not. it's not clever with what he wants to do in trying to drive this bill forward and drive these changes forward and drive these changes forward is so important. and then all you're going to do is completely destroy it. you know , completely destroy it. you know, it's tough enough in this industry is to keep an eye industry as it is to keep an eye on people to make people safe. we many rules that we we have so many rules that we have to follow make people have to follow to make people safe. and yet somebody is joking

about his wife and that about drugging his wife and that seems to be okay. it's not okay. it's funny. there is it's not funny. there is definitely a time and a place for humour . definitely a time and a place for humour. um, and like i say, the politicians need to realise what say. never stays what they say. never stays private. really when are they going to wake up to that one? >> it's stupid. >> it's stupid. >> it's stupid. >> it's off the record or not. somebody always going to say and especially something with especially something such with such a delicate, you know, people have their lives due people have lost their lives due to all sorts of things. it's to it all sorts of things. it's horrendous. and it just wasn't, wasn't appropriate at all. no it wasn't appropriate at all. no it wasn't i mean, there's been murders . murders. >> uh, what's the same? stephen porter it was. he porter i think it was. he murdered, men using this murdered, uh, men using this particular a serial particular drug. he's a serial killer. um, you've had people drug. the other that it is drug. the other thing that it is , men and women, know, it , men and women, you know, it doesn't just affect them. >> know, just women. it's >> you know, just women. it's men and women. it needs to be something, you know, that it is just horrendous crime. it just a horrendous crime. it really, is . really, really is. >> it's horrendous. it's take an even sinister level that even more sinister level that people would inject you as well even more sinister level that people your! inject you as well even more sinister level that people 'your knowledge. as well even more sinister level that people 'your knowledge. listen, without your knowledge. listen, miranda, much. miranda, thank you so much. merry christmas, you're amazing.

>> merry christmas. >> merry christmas. >> a good time. care >> have a good time. take care mate. that's miranda richardson. she's great british voice. mate. that's miranda richardson. she'says great british voice. mate. that's miranda richardson. she'says grenevertish voice. mate. that's miranda richardson. she'says grenever appropriate. she says it's never appropriate. what ? gb views gb what do you think? gb views gb news. await your emails. news. com i await your emails. i'll read some of them to i'll read some of them out to you . but it's fast approaching you. but it's fast approaching 48 and of 48 minutes after 4:00. and of course , time to tell you about course, time to tell you about three are three amazing prizes that are guaranteed to be won by one very lucky viewer in our first ever great british giveaway is great british giveaway that is £10,000 cash tech, which is a mobile phone and some vouchers. so if you haven't already entered, earth not? it's entered, why on earth not? it's this easy. >> this is your chance to win cash, treats and tech in our very first great british giveaway , there's a totally tax giveaway, there's a totally tax free £10,000 cash up for grabs. cash which would help make 2024 a whole lot better . we're also a whole lot better. we're also going to send you shopping with £500 worth of vouchers to spend in the store of your choice . in the store of your choice. what would be on your shopping list if it's a new iphone? we've also got that covered too, with the latest iphone 15 pro max, which you'll also receive for another chance to win the iphone

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54 minutes after 3:00 4:00 even. >> crikey, this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio andifs tv, online and on digital radio and it's time now for world wide view. we're going to cross over live to the host of the politics people podcast, paul duddridge, to out what's going on to find out what's going on regarding . let's see. on regarding trump. let's see. on paul duddridge, what a go on. lots of things happening, aren't there? so talk about there? so talk to me about what's going on. well just what's been going on. well just after we finished last week this extraordinary, uh, event that took place, the colorado supreme court removed donald trump from from the, uh, ballot in 2024. >> so donald trump at this point is not allowed to even be cast on the ballot. >> he's not allowed to have his name on the ballot. >> you can't vote for him in colorado in 2024. i don't know

if you know how it works here, but these electoral college votes, they talk about there are there are 538 votes up for grabs . and it's the first candidate to get to 270 votes, 270 gets you past the finishing line. okay. and colorado has ten of those votes . and so trump was those votes. and so trump was never going to win that state. it's been democrat state for a while. however the principle is kind of important . a man that's kind of important. a man that's never been charged with or certainly found guilty of insurrection is being kept off a democratic ballot by, uh, supreme court by a state supreme court because he apparently inched court because he apparently incited insurrection . in incited insurrection. in >> this is absurd, isn't it? uh you know, what are they going to do, though? because it's a weird place that we end up with where we've only got trump and biden as the potential candidates. i mean , i mean, i find it mean, i mean, i find it laughable , uh, but they're

laughable, uh, but they're trying to remove trump. but of course, biden isn't having a great time either, because now all this stuff with hunter is coming out. what about him? are they trying to impeach him now? because that seems to be gathering pace as well. >> well, exactly . yes. so this >> well, exactly. yes. so this month , the republicans in month, the republicans in congress , um, started an congress, um, started an impeachment inquiry. three okay, they've been gathering evidence. they now feel that there will be enough evidence in the new year to, uh, formally impeach biden because of his business connections to hunter. so that looks like it's going to happen apart . also, i just have to say, apart. also, i just have to say, the minute the colorado , um, the minute the colorado, um, result was announced that trump wouldn't be allowed on the colorado ballot , we wouldn't be allowed on the colorado ballot, we had republicans in texas now attempting to take biden off the texas ballot for letting eight, for letting 8 million illegals cross the border since he came to power, the highest number of 8 million in just overjust over 8 million in just over just over three years, have walked across

the border. so what we're seeing, what we're seeing is the supreme court will sort this out. i can't imagine , mind you, out. i can't imagine, mind you, to be fair, it's been such a crazy year. i can't imagine the supreme court is going to let this stand. so trump will be on the ballot, can't imagine the ballot, and i can't imagine that is going actually , that trump is going to actually, um, be successful in winning colorado. and biden is not going to be kept off the texas ballot. and biden's going to be impeached, but he's not going to be guilty. these be found guilty. all these things. is way this be found guilty. all these th political is way this be found guilty. all these th political warfare. way this be found guilty. all these th political warfare. now ay this be found guilty. all these th political warfare. now as:his is political warfare. now as it's going to always be played out in the every out in the future. every president from now on will be impeached . every president will impeached. every president will be taken off ballots in hostile states. this is exactly what's going to happen. they've now discovered these new box of toys that they can with and that they can play with and they're carry on doing they're going to carry on doing it. now how it. this is this is now how party politics is going to be played in the united states for the future . the foreseeable future. >> it pretty sad, but it's >> it seems pretty sad, but it's not dissimilar to the nonsense that's happening here. i suppose it to be very litigious

it seems to be a very litigious world where the politicians world now where the politicians appear to be ad hoc, to leave stuff, you know, so the courts can override things. and if, uh, trump does get in and, and obviously can he then get out of all these, can he have an executive order that makes sure that he doesn't go to prison? and these things ? and all these things? >> short , look, we're >> yes. in short, look, we're actually finding out now that he might not even be he might be protected. supreme court, protected. the supreme court, i think around january the 4th, had deciding whether he was actually , uh, protected by actually, uh, protected by presidential privilege. anyway, for a lot of these charges , for a lot of these charges, georgia is the only one that's actually just a state bound prosecution. and the president doesn't over ride in that doesn't have over ride in that particular state so that georgia is the only problem that he might have. but yes , trump will might have. but yes, trump will be able to miraculously get himself out. i don't know why the democrats are doing this. i do think because of the abortion laws. we've talked about this before. he's going before. i don't think he's going to they don't need to win anyway. they don't need to win anyway. they don't need to but look , and the to do this. but look, and the

reason this is important on reason why this is important on gb news exactly to your gb news is exactly to your point. is how politics point. this is how politics is being and what annoys being played out and what annoys me whole thing is me about this whole thing is that populism is that populist and populism is almost a dirty word. and all these people, all these shenanigans, all these lawyers and forgetting and politicians are forgetting that people that it's actually the people and we are treated as if populism is some kind of derogatory, disparaging terme. >> well, listen, paul, it's always a pleasure. happy christmas to you. lovely to speak that is, of speak to you. that is, of course, host of course, paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast. thank you. right. well stay tuned. i'm nana o'quinn. this is gb more come next gb news more to come in the next hour. gb news more to come in the next hour . it's gb news more to come in the next hour. it's 5:00. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. now for the next houn digital radio. now for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting headlines right now. hitting the headlines right now. coming up, the great british debate this hour, asking, debate this hour, i'm asking, should we cater to everyone's dietary requirements at christmas? but first, let's get your latest news with brian .

your latest news with brian. >> thanks, nana. good afternoon . >> thanks, nana. good afternoon. it's 5:00. i'm ray anderson in the gb news room. our top stories this hour. one of the uk's richest men has agreed to buy a 25% stake in the football club manchester united billionaire sirjim ratcliffe , billionaire sir jim ratcliffe, who's a lifelong supporter , says who's a lifelong supporter, says he's pleased that a deal has been done and he hopes to unlock its full potential. the move will see around £236 million pumped into the club . the deal pumped into the club. the deal also includes responsibility for the management of its operations , as well . police are urging , as well. police are urging drivers to take extra care on the roads, following a number of collisions in the past 24 hours in northumbria . there's an in northumbria. there's an appeal for witnesses after two teenagers were killed in a crash in cramlington and a woman and a teenager died in another incident in oldham in greater manchester, millions of motorists are, of course, are on the roads this weekend, the aa

telling drivers to expect lengthy jams as people travel for their christmas getaways . for their christmas getaways. the met office is also warning of the risk of flying debris and power cuts as wind. gus it's up to 70mph hit parts of scotland and northern england. rail passengers have been dealing with delays and cancellations. major stations including euston, king's cross and paddington have been closed for engineering works as well. a man has been arrested in connection with the death of a woman in a suspected hit and run in essex. marie theobald and her two dogs were killed while walking in chigwell on friday. in a statement, her family described the 48 year old as a loving mother and daughter who would do anything for anyone . the home secretary has apologised for joking about putting a rape drug in his wife's drinks , just hours after wife's drinks, just hours after announcing plans to crack down on spiking , james cleverly on spiking, james cleverly reportedly joked that he puts a little bit of rohypnol in his

wife's drink every night, so that she doesn't realise there are better men out there. the comments were said to have been made at a downing street reception, which normally off the record, but the sunday mirror broke convention and reported it. the royal navy is deploying a warship to guyana as tensions grow with neighbouring venezuela . the hms trent will venezuela. the hms trent will take part in joint exercises in the region , with the mod saying the region, with the mod saying that it's part of the government's defence diplomacy . government's defence diplomacy. the uk is working with the south american nation to ensure that its territorial integrity is secure. after a historical dispute with venezuela over minerals and oil, party leaders may be at odds in parliament, but they are united in spreading festive cheer this year . but they are united in spreading festive cheer this year. now warning if you're watching on tv, some of the video we're about to show contains flash photography in his christmas message, the prime minister offered a promise of a brighter future , while labour's sir keir

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perry. also former labour perry. and also former labour party mp simon danczuk. perry. and also former labour party mp simon danczuk . still to party mp simon danczuk. still to come for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, should we be catering to everyone's dietary preferences at christmas can get at christmas? aslef you can get in email gb views at in touch, email gb views at gbnews.com tweet me at . gb gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. well, of course i've got a little christmas message of my own because i think that we've outflanked ourselves in this time, haven't we? in the most difficult and obstructive christmas we can actually create because in lead up to it, because in the lead up to it, we've junior doctors on we've had junior doctors on strike to make sure that anybody who's and falls unwell who's sick and falls unwell dunng who's sick and falls unwell during time has hard during this time has a hard time. is promised in the time. more is promised in the next few days. we've had the rail workers striking to make sure that the shops and entertainment suffer entertainment venues suffer financially, the public financially, and the public struggle to away see struggle to get away to see their loved ones christmas. their loved ones at christmas. we've got pro—palestine protesters every weekend and of course , yesterday in the middle course, yesterday in the middle of oxford street, which was super saturday when retailers

make up for time lost as shoppers go out in their droves. i mean, much more awkward i mean, how much more awkward can collectively make life i mean, how much more awkward canourselves:tively make life i mean, how much more awkward canourselves at 'ely make life i mean, how much more awkward canourselves at christmas.ife i mean, how much more awkward canourselves at christmas ?e for ourselves at christmas? frankly, i'm fed up . which is frankly, i'm fed up. which is why tomorrow i'm looking forward to forgetting it all and spending some time with my beautiful that's beautiful family. because that's what really matters. because when all is said and done, time is most expensive and most is our most expensive and most valuable , and spending valuable commodity, and spending it with the people that we love is most important thing that it with the people that we love is can nost important thing that it with the people that we love is can give. mportant thing that it with the people that we love is can give. so ortant thing that it with the people that we love is can give. so in ant thing that it with the people that we love is can give. so in the thing that it with the people that we love is can give. so in the lead that it with the people that we love is can give. so in the lead upat we can give. so in the lead up to thank you for to christmas, thank you for giving time and merry giving me your time and merry christmas. but so now to my panel you christmas. but so now to my panel. you think? do you panel. what do you think? do you think we have made a mess of ourselves christmas? for ourselves this christmas? for me, is the worst one i can me, this is the worst one i can remember. simon danczuk it's been actually, been a tough year actually, hasn't the strike action >> and the strike action has been everybody . but and been tough on everybody. but and if notice, it's if you notice, it's predominantly in the public sector that's going on strike. so public to ransom so holding the public to ransom and what people don't realise, i mean it's taxpayers that any mean it's taxpayers that pay any increase. and think a little increase. and i think a little bit more restraint on public sector workers and a bit more productivity from public sector workers might actually be a

better solution in 2024. i think more restraint and more productivity in the public sector . sector. >> it's interesting how they strike when they want to have time off, isn't it ? so, you time off, isn't it? so, you know, it's like, you know, i'm not having a go at my daughter's school at all. but they always have teacher training on a friday it's always friday or a monday. it's always to maximise the time off that the teachers can have. and it's the teachers can have. and it's the same with this. you know, the same with this. you know, the strike, the postal the postal strike, the postal workers going on strike over christmas, they don't want to be at work. they want to be at home. know, it's the same home. you know, it's the same with . the people home. you know, it's the same with are . the people home. you know, it's the same with are hurting . the people home. you know, it's the same with are hurting are “he people home. you know, it's the same with are hurting are ordinary.e that are hurting are ordinary people. they're not hurting their pay. well, we are their paymasters . they're hurting paymasters. they're hurting ordinary people . which makes me ordinary people. which makes me think they don't really care about people. my about ordinary people. my granddad thought that granddad actually thought that the unions were in cahoots with thatcher. he they always, thatcher. he said they always, always just before always strike just before a general election, which guaranteed her massive majority at every election . and he was at every election. and he was a labour man. so don't you think if you kind of look at it, though, you said that you talked

about striking though it's , about striking as though it's, you they're doing it for you know, they're doing it for the seems the holidays, but it seems like they're to make our they're just trying to make our life possible. life as awkward as possible. >> there's >> so every time there's something important like christmas workers christmas, the rail workers think, be able think, well, they won't be able to it serves them to get home. so it serves them right. and then you've got the doctors oh, doctors and nurses saying, oh, well, doctors well, well, the doctors are actually the nurses have settled their you've the their pay deal. you've got the doctors well, you doctors saying, oh, well, you know, christmas , well the know, over christmas, well the gp saying come the gp is saying don't come to the surgery and they're saying we're gp is saying don't come to the surgertornd they're saying we're gp is saying don't come to the surgerto strike ay're saying we're gp is saying don't come to the surgerto strike whenaying we're gp is saying don't come to the surgerto strike when youg we're gp is saying don't come to the surgerto strike when you really; going to strike when you really need most . they know that need us the most. they know that there's accidents and there's lots of accidents and things like that over christmas. >> it's disgusting. >> it's disgusting. >> disgusting. and >> it's disgusting. >> paying disgusting. and >> it's disgusting. >> paying forgusting. and >> it's disgusting. >> paying for this1g. and we're paying for this. >> i'm not being funny, but do not become an nhs doctor or even work in the fire service, or even work in the police service. if you know you're they're in it for the money, you know, there's a public duty element to it and how can you strike? i mean, i actually shouted at the strikers outside south end hospital. did you? yeah, i actually wound down the window and said, shame , the window and said, shame, shame on because do what shame on you. because do what are you in it for? the money,

you know, patient first. >> yeah , absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> but why shouldn't they be paid properly? they properly observed politicians . they observed politicians. they probably they probably observed, but they probably observed, but they probably politicians probably observed politicians getting 86 grand and then getting like 86 grand and then awarding themselves another pay rise. well, they pay review body that's supposedly independent. so the ipsis the independent whatever whatever they're supposed to they award the mps as you know, they ought to award them the pay rise this year or next year , actually, it'll go up next year, actually, it'll go up 7.1, which is in line with inflation. a ago . so then inflation. a year ago. so then they'll be on about 96,000, which up beyond which would push them up beyond a bracket. and all a further tax bracket. and all this i would say that the this. so i would say that the pubuc this. so i would say that the public sector workers are watching this, seeing mps watching this, seeing these mps and are and thinking, well, what are your what are you doing? why shouldn't strike? shouldn't we strike? >> yeah, but some of these pubuc >> yeah, but some of these public are public sector workers are paid a lot money. some of the lot of money. well, some of the train all right. in train drivers do. all right. in the and the the private sector and the pensions well. tfl people, pensions as well. tfl people, there's some very decent wages, pensions where you retire in early, especially in local authority jobs where you retire in a ridiculously low wage and

you can't be sacked. >> yeah, you literally can't be sacked, which is why you have loads of girls in highly prominent positions, because they can't be got rid of. >> so it's not so much just it's the whole do you mean by that? >> sorry. well because however useless they are. >> but you loads girls >> but you said loads of girls play >> but you said loads of girls play but play the girl card. yeah, but it's just girls as is. it's not just girls as it is. >> going be men as well. >> it's going to be men as well. boys if you i boys whoever, if you look, i mean, if you look in the public sector in extremely prominent positions, social positions, especially in social services, positions, especially in social serv of s, positions, especially in social serv of scandals . lots of scandals. >> it's always a woman at the top of it. you can't get. >> i think that's >> no, i don't think that's fair. often a man at the top of it make a mess. it as well. they make a mess. >> i'm saying it's >> well, i'm just saying it's almost impossible to sack anyone of any gender whatever in the of any gender or whatever in the pubuc of any gender or whatever in the public sector. yeah, and they know but on the know that. yeah, but on the strikes, the government have introduced legislation to make it harder to strike, haven't they? >> and you can't strike at crucial times as labour are proposing to repeal that. i think i'm right in saying and the net stuff the next. the net zero stuff the next. yeah. the next general election. and think that's mistake. and i think that's a mistake. people exhausted by people are getting exhausted by

the and don't in a cost the strikes and don't in a cost of living crisis , don't feel of living crisis, don't feel it's right to be hiking up people's wages . you know, people's wages. you know, travelling by train is also ludicrously expensive already . ludicrously expensive already. absurd isn't it? and if seller does go up even more for those working on on the railways , working on on the railways, we're going to end up having to fork out even more for tickets. and also , well, i think the and also, well, i think the problem with the railways is that they don't want to modernise. >> of don't want to >> some of them don't want to modernise which modernise as well, which will reduce employment. so reduce the employment. so there'll are there'll be fewer people who are employed railways. employed by the railways. so people will have to lose their jobs it to jobs in order for it to progress, also in order to progress, but also in order to pay progress, but also in order to pay more. and they don't pay people more. and they don't want that either. it does want that either. so it does seem of a bit of a seem a bit a bit of a bit of a it's sort of tough out of their cars now. >> i mean, we've talked about this, so i've got my car this, so much. i've got my car 26 if they this, so much. i've got my car 26 us if they this, so much. i've got my car 26 us our if they this, so much. i've got my car 26 us our 15 if they this, so much. i've got my car 26 us our 15 minute if they this, so much. i've got my car 26 us our 15 minute citiesthey get us in our 15 minute cities out of our cars everything, out of our cars and everything, who's making the who's going to be making the decisions about what public events not, it's events, go ahead or not, it's going the unions. because going to be the unions. because if has to get if everyone has to get the train, that means , you train, then that means, you know, the rmt they're making the decisions. the last couple of days conservative know,

days of the conservative know, the the conservative the last day of the conservative conference had conference in manchester, i had to go back a day early, actually, but because, you know, the decided to strike on the trains decided to strike on purpose, on purpose . so yeah, purpose, on purpose. so yeah, you know, i can see why they've done it. they think, you know, but if we don't have our own private transport station, that means people like mick means that people like mick lynch, people like like that in the past and currently have hold the past and currently have hold the power and if you think it's bad now under a conservative government when you have laboun >> well, yeah. oh my god, god help us. the strikes you're help us. the strikes well you're saying former labour guy. i understand the trade unions >> i understand the trade unions and always try say what i and i always try and say what i think is best for the country, not not try what is for best my party. grandad said were party. my grandad said they were absolute yobs. yeah. he was absolute yobs. yeah. and he was and socialist. and he was a socialist. >> the trade unions. and he was a socialist. >> he the trade unions. and he was a socialist. >> he said1e trade unions. and he was a socialist. >> he said they|de unions. and he was a socialist. >> he said they were1ions. and he was a socialist. >> he said they were yobs but yeah. he said they were yobs but they'll labour account. they'll hold labour to account. >> they will do. and they >> well they will do. and they have they've in, have what they've paid in, they've quite stake in they've got quite a big stake in it well. look, i don't know it as well. look, i don't know about but concerned about you, but i'm concerned for about you, but i'm concerned for a labour government because a labour government only because of now holding of what i'm seeing now holding the ransom and the the country to ransom and the fact have much fact that they'll have so much power they've already got

power, they've already got enough as is. and this enough power as it is. and this whole whole last enough power as it is. and this wh

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cabbage. there might be certain niceties, but they can. they can also ruin the fundamentals of a good christmas dinner. some of us will be cooking for large families. so it's fair to impact everyone . is it fair to everyone else's. is it fair to impact everyone else's food? so for the british debate for the great british debate this i'm should we this hour, i'm asking, should we be to everyone's be catering to everyone's dietary at dietary preferences at christmas? so joining me to debate matter is comedian debate this matter is comedian leo kearse . nutritionist jenna leo kearse. nutritionist jenna hope, presenter of fat families, steve miller , also, comedian steve miller, also, comedian louis schaffer. right. so there you go , louis. you're looking you go, louis. you're looking off camera. you're over here. all right. there you go. >> yeah, i was thinking of leo. >> yeah, i was thinking of leo. >> no, there you go. i'm going to start with you, steve miller. fat love fat families. i used to love that and secret that show, steve. and secret eaters was my favourites that show, steve. and secret eatwell. as my favourites that show, steve. and secret eatwell. what my favourites that show, steve. and secret eatwell. what do my favourites that show, steve. and secret eatwell. what do you favourites that show, steve. and secret eatwell. what do you think rites that show, steve. and secret eatwell. what do you think ?:es that show, steve. and secret eatwell. what do you think ? well as well. what do you think? well i think that we use a bit of common sense, so if someone has a medical issue and they're gluten , you know, for example, gluten, you know, for example, gluten, you know, for example, gluten free, then that is to be respected . respected. >> but listen , bluntly put, >> but listen, bluntly put, christmas day is about stuffing .

christmas day is about stuffing. in whatever you want to. stuffing without any worries. >> so if you've got some old misery that's on a diet, well, they're going to have to get over it, right? >> because i tell you what, it's the one day of the year that i just eat exactly what i want to eat. i really do , and it's the eat. i really do, and it's the one day of the year where i cannot to eat the bird . i cannot wait to eat the bird. i cannot wait to eat the bird. i cannot wait to eat the bird. i cannot wait with all those trimmings . i cannot wait with all those trimmings. i seriously it. trimmings. i seriously love it. so yes, i think we have to just use a bit of common sense. >> um , because some people, >> um, because some people, i mean, there was a tv personality who recently treated coeliac disease with a, well, some would say that was quite insensitive. i'm going to to leo i'm going to come to you, leo kearse. what think? kearse. what do you think? >> well , my worry is >> i think well, my worry is that human race as a species that the human race as a species , we've stopped evolving like thousands of years ago. if you couldn't eat gluten or lactose you would have just died because you would have just died because you know, you you catch a mammoth. if you can't eat that mammoth. if you can't eat that mammoth , you die. so i think we mammoth, you die. so i think we need to bring that back. i think if you can't eat a turkey and if

you can't eat cranberry sauce, then you die. christmas louis schaefer , what do you think? schaefer, what do you think? >> um, i think i agree. >> um, i think i agree. >> i agree with leo, but but which is? but the point is, it's about being nice. leo's not a nice person, but louis schaefer isn't. i, and the people know this. they know looking at me is that . it's one day year. that it's. it's one day a year. you you family should cater for you your needs. it shouldn't you and your needs. it shouldn't be, screw you. it's be, you know, screw you. it's not a it's not a screw you day. it's a lovely day. not that i've ever with my ever experienced it with my family . family. >> i hope yes, i have to >> jen. i hope yes, i have to say i agree with louis. >> um, i think that we all have different dietary requirements and christmas should be inclusive for everyone. so if you can cater for those that you're hosting, then definitely you're hosting, then definitely you should try . you should try. >> do you think? yeah. i mean look there's a lot of people get very stressed about it though, because, you know, somebody wants somebody doesn't eat gluten. obviously i think coeliac serious , coeliac disease is very serious, unlike some other people who didn't was and didn't think it was which and

treated almost with sort treated it almost with some sort of contempt, wasn't great, of contempt, which wasn't great, but i do think, mean, i but i but i do think, i mean, i used to go out with this one guy and he gluten intolerant and he wasn't gluten intolerant at all, but he'd go to restaurants, he'd order something , and then bring something, and then they'd bring it go something, and then they'd bring it 90 , something, and then they'd bring it go , it's got it to him and he'd go, it's got gluten in it. and actually, i gluten in it. and he actually, i think he sort of enjoyed the attention that he got when everyone. oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. so there's nothing wrong with him. he could eat gluten. in the end, i tried to eat the thing. the same sort of thing with him. it gave me the runs on all sorts i don't all sorts of things. i don't want give all sorts of things. i don't wan much give all sorts of things. i don't wan much detail. give all sorts of things. i don't wan much detail. but give all sorts of things. i don't wanmuch detail. but i give all sorts of things. i don't wanmuch detail. but i won't ive all sorts of things. i don't wanmuch detail. but i won't be too much detail. but i won't be doing that he doing that again. and he reverted back to normal reverted back to eating normal foods. a lot of foods. steve, there's a lot of that isn't people that about, isn't there people saying eat, saying they don't want to eat, they they they can't eat this when they can they're some can really see they're just some sort can really see they're just some sonoh, i absolutely agree. >> oh, i absolutely agree. >> oh, i absolutely agree. >> listen, we've got a lot of drama queens out there. a lot of drama queens out there. a lot of drama queens out there. a lot of drama queens who say they're this, they're that, and the other with all these intolerances and frankly, it's a load of old tosh . if i'm if i'm load of old tosh. if i'm if i'm really honest, don't get me wrong, if someone's checked with their doctor and they've had lots we've got to lots of tests, then we've got to accommodate for them, get accommodate for them, i get that. people seem

that. but a lot of people seem to get off on it, you know what that. but a lot of people seem t i can't have this. i can't have other. have the other. >> and when when i get people >> and when i, when i get people coming to my place and saying all i just serve all that often, i just serve what they're what they get, what they're given and if it's given and that's it. and if it's got gluten in, it's got gluten in don't seem a in it. they don't seem to have a problem. i think i think problem. yeah, i think i think people love to love and people love to love to moan and be all of that sort be victims and all of that sort of you know, think of stuff. you know, i think i think just shove it think tomorrow you just shove it in, what you want and drink in, eat what you want and drink and be merry. that's what it should be about. should be all about. >> how feel >> well, see, that's how i feel about leo what's your view, about it. leo what's your view, though, mean, though, on that? i mean, obviously coeliac is obviously coeliac disease is serious something obviously coeliac disease is serious different.;omething obviously coeliac disease is serious different. and, hing obviously coeliac disease is serious different. and, you totally different. and, you know, got very know, you've got to be very careful. you not think careful. but do you not think a lot people are bit in lot of people are just a bit in this whole fad of it all and actually a little bit of meat, even a vegetarian or even if you are a vegetarian or vegan, you vegan, every now and again, you should of it. >> yeah, coeliac disease is serious. that's allergy to celery . so you know, definitely celery. so you know, definitely hide the hide the celery this christmas . hide the hide the celery this christmas. but a lot a lot of this stuff it is just you know like everybody wants to be special. now i think it's a

social media trend. so everybody's got pronoy towns and things like that . everybody's things like that. everybody's got their own special sexual city. and you know, there's 482 genders. i grew up in the in the 80s. we had we had four tv channels and we needed two tv guys just for that. i think , you guys just for that. i think, you know, people are, uh, everybody wants their own individual wants to be catered for in their own special way . um, and it's the special way. um, and it's the same with food. people have, you know, pick and choose all know, can pick and choose all these eating these different, uh, eating requirements. you requirements. but but if you stuck on a desert island stuck them on a desert island and were starving to death, and they were starving to death, they'd suddenly find they could actually eat celery . actually eat celery. >> yeah, i remember there >> yeah, well, i remember there was this show on tv where they took people who were very fussy about their food , and some of about their food, and some of them quite overweight. they took about their food, and some of them yijite overweight. they took about their food, and some of them yijite 0\theyight. they took about their food, and some of them yijite 0\they trekked ey took about their food, and some of them yijite 0\they trekked the 30k them, i think they trekked the desert and they were given all sorts different things sorts of different things to eat. had said, eat. and they had said, oh, i don't eat snake. i wouldn't eat this. the other. but this. that and the other. but obviously where obviously in the desert where they ate it . they were starving, they ate it. they actually this they were actually this is really um, you'd really quite nice. um, you'd probably eat snake, wouldn't you, louis? >> uh, yeah. snake. it's one of

my carnivore diet , i think. my carnivore diet, i think. you're i think i think you're wrong, leo. and i agree with you, nana. but because some of these diseases that people have were not meant to be eaten gluten, we're not meant to be eating grain. we're not meant to be eating any plants at all. but if wants to eat plants, if somebody wants to eat plants, if somebody wants to eat plants, if have brussels if they want to have brussels sprouts , let them have brussels sprouts, let them have brussels sprouts. so you can't say no to them. of year, them. on one day of the year, you say, oh, this is the you can't say, oh, this is the food you're getting. you food that you're getting. you know, just out louis? >> louis says that he only ever louis? >> lmeatays that he only ever louis? >> lmeat andthat he only ever louis? >> lmeat and sometimes' ever louis? >> lmeat and sometimes some eats meat and sometimes some dairy. caught him eating dairy. i caught him eating cheerios out of a mug . cheerios out of a mug. >> that is a lie. that is a lie that that is that. nana that's a lie. he's always had it in for me . me. >> but you had cake the other time, louis. i mean, remember that. remember that time i had cake? you said cake? u8 cake as well. you said you don't eat cake. you you only you don't eat cake. you had well. you only you don't eat cake. you hacyeah, well. you only you don't eat cake. you hacyeah, butvell. you only you don't eat cake. you hacyeah, but iell. you only you don't eat cake. you hacyeah, but i didn't want be >> yeah, but i didn't want to be rude by denying it. rude to myself by denying it. >> get it, jenna. with these >> i get it, jenna. with these diets, them, some of diets, some of them, some of them are. have to be almost

them are. you have to be almost like nutritionist be able like a nutritionist to be able to like people who to do them. so like people who claim to be vegans, example, claim to be vegans, for example, that does annoy little that diet does annoy me a little bit. do find a lot people bit. i do find a lot of people who somewhat preachy who are vegan somewhat preachy about you know what i mean? about it. you know what i mean? are actually some of these quite unsafe ? unsafe? >> absolutely. some of the diets are really unsafe and nana you're absolutely right. when i think people do shout about it, and people love to have and some people love to have a lot attention over they lot of attention over what they can eat . lot of attention over what they can eat. having said can and can't eat. having said that, definitely cases that, there are definitely cases where people have where people maybe they have been diagnosed with something like intolerance , where like lactose intolerance, where they, they cannot eat they, they, they cannot eat adequate amounts of dairy. and if there is a lot of dairy in the food, then actually they are going reap the consequences. going to reap the consequences. um having that, though, 30, um having said that, though, 30, there recent research by there was recent research by milkmaid which showed that 30% of people with a lactose intolerance actually didn't want of people with a lactose inttellance actually didn't want of people with a lactose inttell theiractually didn't want of people with a lactose inttell their hostsly didn't want of people with a lactose inttell their hosts because want of people with a lactose inttell their hosts because they to tell their hosts because they were embarrassed about it. were too embarrassed about it. so some times what tend to so some times what we tend to find those the issues find is those with the issues that can actually affect them are less likely to shout about it, whereas those who, you know, maybe just want a little

maybe they just want a little bit of attention or like to change preferences bit of attention or like to change week preferences bit of attention or like to change week . preferences bit of attention or like to change week . um, preferences bit of attention or like to change week . um, actually,es bit of attention or like to change week . um, actually, they week on week. um, actually, they tend to shout it. the most. >> what's your diet like, jenna? do you do you eat everything or are you vegan or something? or i'm not a vegan. >> you'll pleased to know i'm >> you'll be pleased to know i'm really, i believe, in a healthy, >> you'll be pleased to know i'm really, i bdiet'e, in a healthy, >> you'll be pleased to know i'm really, i bdiet'e, in with althy, >> you'll be pleased to know i'm really, i bdiet'e, in with althjof balanced diet with with lots of different , different fruits, vegetables, nuts, etc. and yes, i nuts, seeds, etc. and yes, i will absolutely be enjoying a glass of wine or two tomorrow for sure. >> and steve, to you, um, what advice would you give to people eating this christmas? because when i used to be a trainer , the when i used to be a trainer, the reason a personal reason i'm not a personal trainer i was too, trainer was because i was too, well, too brutally honest. which didn't well but didn't work well for me. but what advice you give to what advice would you give to people are going about people as they are going about their some their business? because some people being very conscious people are being very conscious about their weight. even now dunng about their weight. even now during get during christmas time. get it? no, forget it. no, no no, i say forget it. >> eat, and be very, >> i say eat, drink and be very, very merry over this period. and that's how we should live in 2024. you should live 80 over 20. so you're eating well 80% of the time, and maybe , you know, the time, and maybe, you know, having something what you fancy for, uh, 20% of the time, the

next few days are all about 20. eat, drink , be merry. yes. eat, drink, be merry. yes. behave yourself as much as you can do. and yes, get your jaws into what you want to nibble. i say enjoy it. yes. don't worry about what you swallow. >> yeah. nice thank you for that. i think on that bombshell. we'll leave it there. thank you very much to steve miller from fat families . um, leo acas lewis fat families. um, leo acas lewis schaefer, and also gina hope. thank you so much. love you too. talk to you. happy christmas. yes. so what do you think then? do you think we should be really catering perhaps catering for people? or perhaps they their own food they should bring their own food ? this gb on tv, online ? this is gb views on tv, online and digital radio. probably and on digital radio. probably why spending it why i'm sort of spending it alone with children. alone with my children. nobody wants uh, wants to spend it with me. uh, coming with the coming up, we continue with the great british this great british debate this out, and should we be and i'm asking, should we be catering dietary catering to everyone's dietary preferences at christmas? you'll hear panel, hear the thoughts of my panel, lois, and danczuk. lois, perry and simon danczuk. but latest but first, let's get your latest news with ray . news with ray. >> thanks, donna. it's 530. our top stories . one of the

>> thanks, donna. it's 530. our top stories. one of the uk's richest men has agreed to buy a 25% stake in manchester united . 25% stake in manchester united. billionaire and ineos chairman sir jim ratcliffe says he wants to wants man united to go back to wants man united to go back to the very top of english, european and world football. the move will see around £236 million pumped into the club. the deal also includes the responsibility of managing its operations . well, police are operations. well, police are urging drivers to take extra care on the roads, following a number of collisions in the past 24 hours in northumbria . there's 24 hours in northumbria. there's an appeal for witnesses after two teens were killed in a crash in cramlington and a woman and a teenager died in another incident in oldham in greater manchester, millions of motorists have been on the roads this week , and the aa telling this week, and the aa telling drivers to expect lengthy jams in some places as people travel for their christmas getaways. the met office is also warning of the risk of flying debris and power cuts, with wind gusts of up to 70mph hitting parts of

scotland and northern england. rail passengers have also been deaung rail passengers have also been dealing with delays and cancellations, with major london stations, euston, king's cross and paddington closed for engineering works . the man has engineering works. the man has been in connection with been arrested in connection with the death of marie thiebaud . the the death of marie thiebaud. the 48 year old and her two dogs were killed in a suspected hit and run while walking in chigwell on friday. in a statement, her family described her as a loving mother and daughter who would do anything for anyone . in and tomorrow is for anyone. in and tomorrow is set to be the warmest christmas day in more than a century with the met. the met office saying that temperatures will reach 14 or even 15 degrees. that's after 15.3 degrees was recorded at heathrow and cippenham in berkshire today, making it the warmest christmas eve in over 20 years. it means a white christmas has been ruled out for most of the country, apart from northern scotland . you'll find

northern scotland. you'll find more on all of those stories on our website gbviews@gbnews.com. now let's get straight back to . nana. >> okay, 32 minutes after 5:00. welcome on board. if you just tuned in, where have you been on the way next, we'll be weighing up the pros cons with regard up the pros and cons with regard to eating in our great british debate this hour. but plus we'll also going through some of also be going through some of the stories that caught the smaller stories that caught our eyes. supplement sunday. don't . we're late . don't go anywhere. we're late. >> get up this christmas eve and christmas day. wake up with gb news booths for the finest festive start to your christmas for you and the whole family. christmas breakfast gb news christmas breakfast on gb news christmas breakfast on gb news christmas eve and christmas day from 6 i got you this . from 6 am. i got you this. >> oh, good. >> oh, good. >> okay. um i got you a little something . ah something. ah >> ah, sure. it's nice .

this evening. gb news the people's . channel. people's. channel. >> 37 minutes after 5:00. welcome on board. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's time now for our great british debate this houn our great british debate this hour. asking , should we our great british debate this h0|catering asking , should we our great british debate this h0|catering to asking , should we our great british debate this h0|catering to everyone'sould we be catering to everyone's dietary preferences at christmas 7 dietary preferences at christmas ? i mean, these days we've got veggie variants, you've got the vegans, you've got the lactose

free, you've got the nut avoiders. it'sjust free, you've got the nut avoiders. it's just it's unbelievable isn't it? what does it leave us? a bit of tofu and cabbage . so for the great cabbage. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking should we be catering for everyone's dietary preferences at this time? let's see what my panel of that. me panel make of that. joining me to danczuk and to discuss simon danczuk and lewis perry lois perry. on lewis perry are lois perry. on christmas is hard enough , isn't it? >> nana i don't know, i don't know, i'm in your family. you're probably the one that everyone comes to, and it's the same me. >> nobody comes to my house. >> nobody comes to my house. >> oh, nobody comes to your house. >> oh, nobody comes to your h0lie. want them there. i >> i don't want them there. i don't them there. they don't want them there. they don't. want there. don't. i don't want them there. >> everyone >> all right, well, everyone comes to me. skip generation. comes to me. skip to generation. my grandparents me up my grandparents brought me up and it skipped a generation. and. me. and. and people come to me. christmas is hard enough. come on. don't on. someone's saying they don't eat don't eat eat this and they don't eat that. unless you're that. get a grip. unless you're coeliac and you are literally going to drop dead. you eat what's on your plate. you know there's two options. take it or leave it. >> i don't agree with it, but don't think we've become don't you think we've become a bit know i'm this i'm

bit too? i know i'm this and i'm that, eat this and that, and i don't eat this and i don't so in the end, don't eat it. so in the end, i mean, if was the time just mean, if this was the time just after war, when you just got after the war, when you just got your food and you ate your rations, there was none of this nonsense you know what nonsense going on. you know what i we're not. it's not just >> but we're not. it's not just after i agree after the while. i don't agree with you at all, okay? and one reason don't i've just with you at all, okay? and one reasmarried. �*t i've just with you at all, okay? and one reasmarried. �*t powerjust with you at all, okay? and one reasmarried. �*t power and my got married. amte power and my good pescatarian , good lady, she's a pescatarian, so oh, so she doesn't eat meat. oh, that's all right. >> fish is good, though. >> fish is good, though. >> is good, but yeah. >> yeah, fish is good, but yeah. so we're going have >> yeah, fish is good, but yeah. so have we're going have >> yeah, fish is good, but yeah. so have turkey.a're going have >> yeah, fish is good, but yeah. so have turkey. andjoing have >> yeah, fish is good, but yeah. so have turkey. and then have >> yeah, fish is good, but yeah. so have turkey. and then she'sve to have turkey. and then she's going have salmon. so going to have to have salmon. so you've got to accommodate. oh no no have no to be fair she can have vegetarian option. >> saying you >> yeah. but i'm just saying you know i don't know when people say oh i don't eat ingredients that are eat certain ingredients that are in general cooking. in the general cooking. >> fair enough. >> oh yeah. fair enough. >> oh yeah. fair enough. >> going the >> so you're going to do the roast. because roast. you're gonna do because i mean problem is mean then because the problem is you've somebody uh, you've got somebody who's, uh, don't which i don't eat gluten, which i understand if you're a coeliac, that's but that's fair enough. but if you're you're you're not. yeah. and you're saying it because i just don't eat. there's eat. i've decided. and there's a lot of people out there like that tension seekers. >> of one exes >> one of my, one of my exes was, like i eat was, um, like that. i don't eat gluten . and i'd be like, really? gluten. and i'd be like, really? but you just state that got but you just state that it's got gluten, just hasn't go gluten, but it just hasn't go out. and it'd be like, i'm not going to eat it, order it.

out. and it'd be like, i'm not going to eat it, order it . then going to eat it, order it. then he'd go having, you know , then he'd go having, you know, then he'd go having, you know, then he'd go, it's got gluten in it. i can't eat it. do you know what those kind of men are like? >> i like the women that love being pregnant. yeah, because >> i like the women that love beingdon't nant. yeah, because >> i like the women that love beingdon't nant attention acause they don't get attention otherwise. know, otherwise. yeah okay. you know, like who love being like women who love being pregnant because looks at pregnant because no one looks at them right? it's the them otherwise, right? it's the same. men that say same. the men. the men that say that gluten free. get that they're gluten free. get a grip. going grip. unless you're going to drop right ? drop dead right? >> unless there's something. because do i mean , because i do agree. i mean, if you've disease, you've got coeliac disease, that's a whole. that's a whole different ball game. you got something there's something absolutely. there's something absolutely. there's some i get some genuine reason that i get it, but a lot of people are just van—tam and then they can decide whether they're going eat whether they're going to eat it or hungry. otherwise >> they go hungry. otherwise >> they go hungry. otherwise >> because >> yeah, exactly. because there's it. there's a lot of it. >> you've to be >> because you've got to be careful cross—contamination >> because you've got to be cand|l cross—contamination >> because you've got to be cand|l like;—contamination >> because you've got to be cand|l like;—contthis1ation >> because you've got to be cand|l like;—contthis ision . and again, like i say, this is not who are not about people who are seriously ill seriously who'd be seriously ill with this without that. with this without having that. but about the but this is about the fashionable trend of people who but this is about the fasisaying,e trend of people who but this is about the fasisaying,e trend > i'll tell you what we've noficed >> i'll tell you what we've noticed coco . she's come >> i'll tell you what we've noticfrom coco . she's come >> i'll tell you what we've noticfrom rwanda. she's come >> i'll tell you what we've noticfrom rwanda. she's been! over from rwanda. she's been

here months. over from rwanda. she's been hershe months. over from rwanda. she's been hershe mentioned her 4000 times >> she mentioned her 4000 times in hour. in the last hour. >> been married. >> we've been married. >> we've been married. >> can eat them. >> what she can eat them. >> what she can eat them. >> terrible. yeah. no, she >> it's terrible. yeah. no, she eats processed food. she's always eaten proper home cooked food in rwanda. yeah. of course she's. come here. she started eating processed food and eating some processed food and she makes her own. well, do you know what i mean? because it's she makes her own. well, do you kno sovhat i mean? because it's she makes her own. well, do you kno so she i mean? because it's she makes her own. well, do you kno so she can ean? because it's she makes her own. well, do you kno so she can feel�* because it's she makes her own. well, do you kno so she can feel it.3cause it's she makes her own. well, do you kno so she can feel it. you se it's got so she can feel it. you know, stomach know, she has a bad stomach because got stuff in it. because of it's got stuff in it. >> what kind of would she >> what kind of food would she not eat processed that not eat that's processed that you would cook? >> well, she's just won't >> well, she's just she won't let that's the other let me cook. that's the other issue. i know issue. i don't blame her. i know i living dream , i like you're living the dream, simon cook. >> she . but she's a good >> but she. but she's a good cook, though. >> she's a very good cook. yeah, yeah, yeah, but everything's made that's point. yeah, yeah, but everything's ma well, that's point. yeah, yeah, but everything's ma well, see,hat's point. yeah, yeah, but everything's ma well, see, that's point. yeah, yeah, but everything's ma well, see, that's p well, see, that's how i cook. i like remember one, one i don't like i remember one, one guy told the yeah, guy told me the same. yeah, well, very simple with well, i'm very simple with my cooking. to me. cooking. and one guy goes to me. oh cooking. and one guy goes to me. on your very simple. on your food is very simple. and i'm because i'm like, yeah, it is, because it looks like the food. is it looks like the food. it is like fish. like like a fish. it looks like a fish. this the potatoes are potatoes. this is broccoli . this potatoes. this is broccoli. this is know, all the stuff is it's, you know, all the stuff i've made myself or it's just nothing's happened it. yeah nothing's happened to it. yeah yeah. that's like coco as well ,

yeah. that's like coco as well, i think. >> i think you're having been raised older people. i do raised by, by older people. i do my, i see a lot of my things are probably slightly out of date, you know, but that's all right. so what. but um, yeah, the whole thing wasting food, thing about not wasting food, you or lump it to you know, like it or lump it to a certain extent, cooking from fresh absolutely. fresh and. absolutely. yeah. >> worst thing >> i think the worst thing i think one of the worst things is veganism. bad. veganism. i think that's bad. and think it's bad and i only think it's bad dangerous the fact dangerous because of the fact that a lot of the food that the vegans are eating are processed stuff. it doesn't have any of stuff. so it doesn't have any of the things it doesn't have a meat this there, but meat and this and there, but what instead of what they're using instead of dairy , um, so dairy is usually, um, oil. so it's lots of vegetable oils which are high in omega six. and and nine which are inflammatory. when you really want omega three, which is the less it's not inflammatory. it's for good you fish oils and things like that, which you can get naturally. and i think that a lot the people a lot of lot of the time people a lot of these are not healthy these diets are not healthy because people you need be a because people you need to be a nutritionist literally to do that not natural to be a >> it's not natural to be a vegan, is it's got

incisors. >> and because we're carnivores that and are the that feed and lois are the devil, the devil looks very, very wrong. >> actually , i didn't look like >> actually, i didn't look like so sorry about that. >> i've got them as well. but, um. >> yeah. ah, you're right. the whole vegan thing and it's quite interesting actually. apparently they're going to the protein powder , which is made from milk. powder, which is made from milk. um, mealworms and things like that. it's actually going to be putting vegan food. so it's not even vegan. it's not even vegan. yeah >> well, listen, this show is nothing without you and your views. let's welcome a great british voice is there opportunity on show opportunity to be on the show and tell what they think and tell us what they think about that we're about the topics that we're discussing? i've only got three of look them. of you today. oh look at them. look them . david balm. you're look at them. david balm. you're the nearest. i'm going to start with you, david. go for it. what do you think about all this? do you big you cater? you've got a big family, haven't you? >> uh, well, i have problem. >> uh, well, i have a problem. >> uh, well, i have a problem. >> wheat >> i'm actually wheat intolerant, we have have intolerant, so we have to have different courtesy intolerant, so we have to have differ actually, courtesy intolerant, so we have to have differ actually, if courtesy intolerant, so we have to have differ actually, if invite sy says, actually, if you invite somebody for a meal, you somebody over for a meal, you find out if they've got any

problems. dietary problems? we made a mistake. years and years ago. well, my wife did. we had some friends for dinner. some friends over for dinner. she made beautiful, uh , uh, she made this beautiful, uh, uh, mushroom and mushroom risotto and forgot to ask because one of our friends actually has an intolerance to mushrooms . he was intolerance to mushrooms. he was not very pleased . so it's not very pleased. so it's running around the kitchen trying to find something so that he could so i think curtis he could eat. so i think curtis says yes , uh, if you are going says yes, uh, if you are going somewhere, you have an intolerance. i said, i'm wheat intolerant. just, just say something. is there any chance, is there going to be something in there, or shall i just bring something your food. >> exactly. bring your own food. bnng >> exactly. bring your own food. bring food. your party bring your own food. your party pooper. bring your own food. your party pooper . no, bring your own food. your party pooper. no, that's bring your own food. your party pooper . no, that's not bring your own food. your party pooper. no, that's not fair. right, hoy, he's there in right, philip hoy, he's there in hertfordshire, father hertfordshire, dressed as father christmas. philip >> hi, nana. yeah, i thought i'd try and dress up for the occasion. >> it's good. >> it's good. >> didn't recognise you there. didn't . anyway um. didn't recognise you. anyway um. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> my view is this , um. i don't >> my view is this, um. i don't mind what people want to eat. uh, but don't try and impose your views on me. >> i'm a meat eater to me,

christmas dinner is turkey. >> um , with all the trimmings. >> um, with all the trimmings. >> um, with all the trimmings. >> and i love it. >>— >> and i love it. >> uh, funnily enough, i'm actually allergic to chicken. yes, i really am allergic to chicken. >> and i'll be very, very ill if ihave >> and i'll be very, very ill if i have it. >> i've always been allergic and, um, so that causes problems. >> but i always tell people that and therefore i never have it. >> uh, my youngest son and, well, my grandson, uh, he's a vegetarian for good reasons. >> he, you know, for passionate reasons . and so whenever we go reasons. and so whenever we go over there, we always have vegetarian meals. >> and you know, we put up with it, but, uh, is that nut roast came to us. it, but, uh, is that nut roast canweo us. it, but, uh, is that nut roast canwe would. >> we would. >> we would. >> like, is it like a nut >> is it, like, is it like a nut roast that you have there? >> yeah. mean, has >> well, yeah. i mean, he has all things. pasta and all sorts of things. pasta and things uh when you go things like that. uh when you go there, do you think , oh, no, i there, do you think, oh, no, i love pasta. it's got lots of meat in it. but, uh, anyway, just bringing, like, a thing of meat with it and just chuck it in there. but. yeah, but i do accept that some people, you know, for real intolerance, you know, for real intolerance, you know, food intolerances, you have go along with it. yeah.

have to go along with it. yeah. there are too many people i completely everything completely agree with everything you've been saying. this afternoon. it's posh now to afternoon. it's just posh now to say, this , that. say, eat this, that. >> oh, i can't eat dairy . yes >> oh, i can't eat dairy. yes you can. you've just eaten a cake with cream on it. like i have to be honest, i am guilty myself. i can't, i shouldn't eat dairy because it gives me a bit of a shock. but i can eat dairy. yeah, but i sometimes say i don't eat dairy and it's lies because i'm going to go home. i've got some cream, i've i've got myself some cream, i've got wonderful log cake. got this wonderful log cake. i can't stuff face with can't wait to stuff my face with that. going to go down that. that is going to go down nicely . that. that is going to go down nicely. right. let's that. that is going to go down nicely . right. let's over to nicely. right. let's go over to adrian shropshire. adrian. adrian in shropshire. adrian. adrian in shropshire. adrian. adrian sorry . adrian sorry. >> uh, yeah. i mean , a lot of >> uh, yeah. i mean, a lot of families, they go to a lot of effort to put together a really nice meal the family and nice meal for the family and everybody that's turning up. >> you can't expect them to turn their home into a flipping restaurant for the day . restaurant for the day. >> yeah, yeah . >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> a fantastic meal for you. and you should just take it and eat. eat what you're given. unless, uh , as lois said, you've got uh, as lois said, you've got

you've got a medical problem, like like coeliac disease. but to expect somebody to just do a little thing for you is just it's absolutely ridiculous. and i love this bloke . it's so much. i love this bloke. it's so much. it's part of the me, me, me culture isn't it. it's. >> oh well, i'm going to eat something different because i don't like this or i don't like that. >> get a grip for heaven's sake, new hampshire, this guy. eat youn new hampshire, this guy. eat your. if you don't like it, don't eat it. >> don't eat it. >> don't eat it. >> at least be grateful and be part of the party. >> stop thinking about yourself . >> stop thinking about yourself. >> stop thinking about yourself. >> that's what i say on the matter now. >> well , listen, i love you >> well, listen, i love you guys. you've been hilarious . guys. you've been hilarious. thank you so much, david barman and watford, philip hoy and hertfordshire and also adrian jail in shropshire . happy jail in shropshire. happy christmas. you so much. christmas. thank you so much. it's pleasure talk to it's such a pleasure to talk to you. so, um, now we're you. right so, um, now we're talking earlier on the show about spiking women. the results are in and yes, 33% of you say

yes . i'm are in and yes, 33% of you say yes. i'm asking, is it okay to joke about spiking women's drinks? uh 33% of you say yes, and 66% of you say no. you're with me . but now it's time for with me. but now it's time for supplement sunday. the part of the show where my panel, uh, discuss some the other stuff discuss some of the other stuff that's headlines. that's hit the headlines. but let's a debate. the let's do a quick debate. the worst christmas present that you've . uh, simon. you've ever had. uh, simon. uh, lois , i'm gonna start with lois. lois, i'm gonna start with lois. actually, i think yours is going to be bad. >> well, i mean, worst >> well, i mean, the worst present had was on my present i've ever had was on my birthday last year, and it's from a guy that's worth quite a few million quid and just. >> just just just to just to put it in context, um, i actually , it in context, um, i actually, um, spent a third of my income , um, spent a third of my income, monthly income on his birthday . monthly income on his birthday. what did he buy you? he bought me, um, a pound shop toy lobster . wow. for my birthday , he . wow. for my birthday, he actually, um, i actually, he brought me home, and i actually closed the door in his face. >> i've never seen him again.

he's not generous. no point having if don't give he's not generous. no point heaway. if don't give it away. >> w. w- e for it, though. it away. >> for it, though. simon >> made up for it, though. simon danczuk. >> w- w— >> oh, well, it was present. >> oh, well, it was present. >> of one of my ex—wives >> one of one of my ex—wives bought shopping for bought me a shopping voucher for christmas that christmas and i thought at that stage, is the end of it. stage, this is the end of it. this is which wife was that number one. >> two. >> two. >> you can't label her name on it. well, listen, one of my ex—boyfriends, he was incredibly rich. remember rich. rich, i remember you remember me. name rich. remember me. his name was rich. he's yeah um, i didn't he's rich? yeah um, i didn't like that present. rich just as if watching. you're if you're watching. now, you're in moment. uh, in america at the moment. uh, a dustbuster one of the little ones that you plug in. lobster. look, listen good. one, that look, listen good. one, one that you to and some you plug in to charge and some and breath mints. and some altoids breath mints. breath mints. yeah and that. but that was a birthday present. that was bad. but the worst christmas present i ever had was a present from my mother when i said, i'm just like, a present from my mother when i said, i i'm just like, a present from my mother when i said, i was1 just like, a present from my mother when i said, i was young, ke, a present from my mother when i said, i was young, ia, a present from my mother when i said, i was young, i was like, a present from my mother when i saidjust i was young, i was like, a present from my mother when i saidjust likeis young, i was like, a present from my mother when i saidjust like turning, i was like, i'm just like turning into a goth. want everything all goth. i want everything all black. me stuff that's black. just get me stuff that's all i give me black 19 all black. i give me black 19 slippers and i was expecting her to a really nice black to get a really nice black negugee. to get a really nice black negligee . she's got a taste. you negligee. she's got a taste. you told me my mother's got taste, you these slippers and

you know, and these slippers and things. you things. she brought me, you know. have you ever watched worzel of worzel gummidge? it's sort of thing that, uh, aunt sally would wear one that black. it wear one like that in black. it was horrible . no, kira rudik . was horrible. no, kira rudik. and these horrible were and these horrible slippers were the fuzzy thing going over the top, were flat, nasty, top, and they were flat, nasty, like ones you get from like the ones you get from a hotel. i think how hotel. my mum, i think how they laughed , how they laughed. laughed, how they laughed. but listen, now for listen, it's time now for supplement my panel listen, it's time now for sup|i ement my panel listen, it's time now for sup|i discuss my panel listen, it's time now for sup|i discuss the my panel listen, it's time now for sup|i discuss the news)anel and i discuss some of the news stories that caught our eye by. joining perry and joining me are lois perry and simon simon. your story please. >> oh, well, uh , i haven't been >> oh, well, uh, i haven't been given story or got one. oh, simon. >> but, uh, story from this week that, uh, that caught my eye has got to be around , uh, how we got to be around, uh, how we celebrate christmas and what's important to us at christmas time. >> and for me, it's very much around, uh, jesus. >> and for me, it's very much around, uh, jesus . and around, uh, jesus. and christianity. and that's something that we need to remember. and, uh, that contrasts of the, uh, contrasts with some of the, uh, messages from , uh, our leaders. messages from, uh, our leaders. so i thought it was interesting that starmer's statement that,

uh, was big on christianity, but he's actually an atheist. so i thought there was quite a contrast there. i thought contrast there. so i thought that you said you told that was sunak you said you told is is he he's a hindu. is he is he he's a hindu. >> he's a hindu. >> he's a hindu. >> you said he was an atheist, but know. >> you said he was an atheist, but he's know. >> you said he was an atheist, but he's not. know. >> you said he was an atheist, but he's not. he's. i think he's >> he's not. he's. i think he's a hindu. uh, your a hindu. lois, uh, your supplement. you a supplement. have you got a supplement story that caught your week? your eye this week? yeah. >> the story that >> i mean, um, the story that caught my eye this week was the school east london, school that, um, in east london, actually, tried to do actually, that that tried to do the so they had the right thing. so they had kids coming wearing, um, kids coming in wearing, um, palestine starved, uh, very pro—hamas stuff, um, saying very inappropriate things about you know, what's going on. is that the right thing? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well, no, the school actually sent a letters to certain sent a few letters to certain certain people's parents. yeah, and, um, and basically they then there was a big protest outside . there was a big protest outside. so there seems to be able to be like a, a renter protest going on at the moment with pro—hamas. yeah um, you know, and the school were trying to do the right thing. they said, this isn't appropriate. right thing. they said, this isn'everyoneiate. wear whatever. right thing. they said, this isn'ithat'sneiate. wear whatever. right thing. they said, this isn'ithat's not te. wear whatever. right thing. they said, this isn'ithat's not appropriate. tever. right thing. they said, this isn'ithat's not appropriate. and'. but that's not appropriate. and they awful they wore that. it's just awful

in my supplements are in it. and my supplements are pansh in it. and my supplements are parish who defends having parish priest who defends having two jesus is two mothers of baby jesus is reflective of modern families. >> that really isn't immaculate. >> that really isn't immaculate. >> it really is . yeah. so >> so now it really is. yeah. so a nativity scene a church nativity scene featuring two mothers of baby jesus instead of the conventional mary and joseph has sparked anger in italy because of it. uh nativity scenes is popular largely catholic country, but recent years country, but in recent years they've been increasingly marred in wars . um, they've been increasingly marred in wars. um, and all the in culture wars. um, and all the sort of secular multiculturalism. >> and you wouldn't expect that from italy as well. really the very country . yeah. very catholic country. yeah. catholic priests. but he decides to have two women instead of mary and joseph. >> i just think the story is of, of a male and a female. it's not about sexuality. it's just the story be. so if you're going to retell the story of baby jesus, let's not get involved in politics and turn it into some sort of we must all be inclusive of that's not the story. that's not how the story went. and whilst we're at it biologically, if we're going to be really stick to whilst they can stick to women whilst they can conceive to conceive, they're not going to conceive, they're not going to conceive between other.

conceive between each other. although as you say, it was immaculate conception . immaculate conception. so i think is a bit doesn't think the story is a bit doesn't quite work as it is. >> let's keep it as it is. >>— >> let's keep it as it is. >> well, listen. and finally joining me in the studio is josh howie to tell us about things that are coming up this evening. josh >> hello. m m tonight. uh, have bought a suit especially. >> crikey . if especially. >> crikey. if i'd especially. >> crikey . if i'd known, i would >> crikey. if i'd known, i would have just borrowed your wonderful dress. have just borrowed your worl'veful dress. have just borrowed your wori've gotiress. have just borrowed your wori've got another one in >> i've got another one in there. appreciate you there. i appreciate it, and you can wig well. can wear my wig as well. >> fantastic. >> you look fantastic. >> you look fantastic. >> thank you. >> you look fantastic. >> you 1k you. >> you look fantastic. >> you sayou. >> you look fantastic. >> you say |j. >> you look fantastic. >> you say i need a wig? no, but you mine. this is wig. >> this is a wig. >> this is a wig. >> and, uh, yeah, we've got fantastic i've fantastic panellists. i've written a couple monologues. written a couple of monologues. >> to written a couple of monologues. >> of to written a couple of monologues. >> of humanity. to written a couple of monologues. >> of humanity. one to written a couple of monologues. >> of humanity. one is to written a couple of monologues. >> of humanity. one is veryto all of humanity. one is very angry about were just angry about what we were just talking about, about the palestinian talking about, about the palestiniuh, talking about, about the palestini uh, we're going to talking about, about the palestiniuh, we're going to have >> and, uh, we're going to have how make wonderful roast how to make wonderful roast potatoes . potatoes. >> economics. >> christmas economics. >> christmas economics. >> lots of fun. >> it's going to be lots of fun. there's to be some arguing. >> i think it's perfect television wrap, presents television to wrap, presents to lovely howie. television to wrap, presents to lowthank howie. television to wrap, presents to lowthank ho very much. 9:00 >> thank you very much. 9:00 make that. make sure you tune in to that. well, i've got say huge well, i've got to say a huge thank you, uh, for thank you to you, uh, for joining thank so much to joining me. thank you so much to lois perry, former mp lois perry, former labour mp simon danczuk as well. thank you

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