strange person. i am bored of you. you're your auntie . soiled you. you're your auntie. soiled her knickers and your mother was a vacuum cleaner. who her knickers and your mother was a vacuum cleaner . who let her knickers and your mother was a vacuum cleaner. who let us in.7 i spit on your gonads , you i spit on your gonads, you quarter witted son of a cabbage hunter . is quarter witted son of a cabbage hunter. is there someone else up there that i can speak to .7 go there that i can speak to.7 go boil your bottom . can you throw boil your bottom. can you throw him off the ramparts , please? him off the ramparts, please? all right . now all right. now. all right

i >> -- >> all. well . i thought we were getting well. i thought we were getting hugh laurie second best. >> oh, well , stephen, um . >> oh, well, stephen, um. >> oh, well, stephen, um. >> fright . stephen. it is lovely >> fright. stephen. it is lovely to have you here, you silly man. it's lovely to be had here. if i may say. i want to know about cricket because you've just become president of the mcc , and become president of the mcc, and he has just shown me this tie . he has just shown me this tie. show. the tie? yes. and he claims it's an mcc tie. zoom in to that little symbol. there it's the device that says mcc

marylebone cricket club isn't that or 1200in roman numerals. yes. i mean you have to be a member to, to get that. yes. you buy it from the members shop at lord's. so tell me about cricket because it's all changing and it's a beautiful , beautiful it's a beautiful, beautiful game. it's the still the only game. it's the still the only game that is very like the one i used to watch in weston super mare. and clarence park in 1948. well that's because we are guardians of the law. the laws of cricket, the mcc , other games of cricket, the mcc, other games have rules. cricket has laws. but each tournament will have its regulations , like where the its regulations, like where the fielders can be, how far from the bat and so on. but there are laws of cricket which are the same in on a beach in west indies , or in a slum in mumbai indies, or in a slum in mumbai with stickball, or in a village in england, or in weston super mare. those are the laws of cricket . i mare. those are the laws of cricket. i mean, mare. those are the laws of cricket . i mean, yes, it is the cricket. i mean, yes, it is the same game, but it's like a lot of british institutions . it's

of british institutions. it's sent, it's footprint abroad. footprint abroad . yes. and has footprint abroad. yes. and has been reinterpreted and often improved upon, or at least enhanced in different ways. very proud . the other day when proud. the other day when afghanistan can beat sri lanka, i thought, isn't incredible. the reach that this and it's getting wider and wider. yeah it's the second most popular sport in the world by quite a long way. obviously football is the first. yeah. um, and a lot of that is to do with the fact that it's so. well, it's the third religion in india. so. well, it's the third religion in india . yeah. they religion in india. yeah. they call it the third religion. yeah, absolutely crazy about it. and obviously india is about to overtake china as the country with the largest population in the world. so that kind of skews the world. so that kind of skews the statistics a bit. but it's the statistics a bit. but it's the most popular sport in nepal. um, and i'm a patron of the mcc foundation , and our aim is to foundation, and our aim is to spread cricket around the world as much as possible. are you going to get into south america? yes that is yeah, that's our

next thing. it's not really there. i mean, there's a bit in guyana, of course we had. oh yes. mark ramprakash and others and, and who have, you know, sort of , uh, ancestors from sort of, uh, ancestors from there. and guyana provides the west indies with cricketers because it's caribbean. true. but yeah, we want to if you can find a flat bit um, and uh, but it's um. yeah. rwanda, kenya . it's um. yeah. rwanda, kenya. yeah. um, recently the foundation went to the lebanon . foundation went to the lebanon. and taught ceere refugees who were penned up in camps with nothing to do at all, but turned to kind of crime and misery and upset and to teach the girls and boys in particular. it's fantastic , because a lot of fantastic, because a lot of these countries are countries in which girls have low expectations of their lives . um, expectations of their lives. um, as far as education, property rights and so on are concerned . rights and so on are concerned. and if you can get girls and boys playing cricket together, it's absolutely wonderful. there comes an age when they'll separate out into a girls boy and a boys team. but when

they're young, it helps the boys respect the girls respect and like the girls spreading into the middle east. yes it and i suppose we can yes it is. and i suppose we can also talk of the terrorism in the middle east. we're speaking on day , uh, who knows what's on a day, uh, who knows what's going to happen when this actually is broadcast. but we're speaking they speaking on a day when they announced to me. diabolical announced this to me. diabolical news about golf, which is a game i love as well. and the saudi arabian influence in it. um, it's all money. yeah. so because this is a free speech haven, i can talk about the facts behind this. yes with with with because there's it's the only the strongest words will do sometimes the hypocrisy i know worse one. but i will tell you, i would love to hear it. no um, i'll write it up. i've got it out of my system now. that's the main thing. but no, it does upset me. you know? and, um, the history of what saudi arabia has donein history of what saudi arabia has done in the last 5 or 6 years. and now to be i know it's a cliche word, but sportswashing is essentially it. yeah. and the

chances are by the time you're watching this, that lionel messi will be playing for saudi arabia as well as cristiano ronaldo and others. um, it's amazing what money will do. is it? i mean, when you think that london was the number one centre for the laundering of russian dirty money, i mean , i didn't make me money, i mean, i didn't make me feel proud. no they called it boris. stan at the time, i didn't. yeah when none of us entirely we wide eyed and naive about the world. we know that the world. and it has always been the case that money money talks and that everybody has a price to some extent . you know price to some extent. you know what napoleon said? no go on. he said the surprising thing is not that every man has his price . i that every man has his price. i know it is. yes, yes, i would have said the same. how low it is. i think that's hilarious. i've always thought the greatest power of human being can have in negotiations, whether it's as an actor, as in, like in a film as minor as that, or in a huge

boardroom way , way, the greatest boardroom way, way, the greatest power you can have is the power to walk away. yeah. just to be able say, no, this not for able to say, no, this is not for me, go. but i know some me, and go. but i know some people in business who will say that the first thing you sense when sit round say when you sit round a table, say about the sale of a company or the, you know, the going public, you know, the share offering is you know, the share offering is you instantly know the greedy ones and they're the ones you want to have nothing to do with or in it to make money and you know, i am, in that sense, very naive in the in the early , uh, naive in the in the early, uh, early 90s, late 80s, when i was aware that the internet was going to happen and i became very excited by it. and through the 90s, i became very excited by it and would have lots of meetings with people who had ideas and had the really good ones wanted to make something extraordinary , you know, like an extraordinary, you know, like an artist or a craftsman, like someone who just wanted to make

a better pair of shoes or make a better table. just the pleasure, the fun, the fulfilment of it. and then you started to notice, because as the internet caught fire, that people were in it to make money, that the first thing they wanted to do was to build a service or a piece of software that they could immediately sell to you know, bill gates or to somebody else. and then it got worse. it got it got worse. yeah there's a word. and this is in a sense, what saudi arabia is doing with sport is the darkest word of our era , i think is the word of our era, i think is the word of our era, i think is the word disrupt in its um, it sounds simple. it's just the latin for break, break, break down, break up, break into pieces to disrupt. like you interrupt, you break into someone's conversation. yeah. and you know, you get a rupture. it's a break. and so on. so in two thousand and seven, when facebook was beginning to take off, mark zuckerberg famously

said that the motto of facebook is move fast and break things . is move fast and break things. and this was considered a heroic new stance. these young people were coming in, they were breaking up the way the world was . and they were making huge was. and they were making huge sums of money out of it. they were inventing new ideas, and they were sweeping away everything from the past . and so everything from the past. and so you disrupt the bread and breakfast space. yeah. with airbnb, you disrupt the car hire and taxi services with uber, you disrupt, you disrupt, you disrupt. and we're now living in a broken world because things have been disrupted and they've not been replaced with anything like and they've been disrupted by people who just don't want to be very , very rich. yes. and not be very, very rich. yes. and not to do one thing super ably. well and the betrayal to me, the betrayal, the hypocrisy,

whatever your word is that somehow now we believed in the 90s and early 2000 that these guysin 90s and early 2000 that these guys in jeans and t shirts were just kind of, you know , gentle, just kind of, you know, gentle, sweet people who wanted the world to be better . yeah. sweet people who wanted the world to be better. yeah. and we now know that in orwell's magnificent image, the pigs are now wearing trousers . you know, now wearing trousers. you know, you know , the end of animal you know, the end of animal farm. they look through and they see the pig. yes. and it's all come round and you realise these are worse in terms of their fierce, uh, greed . eddie. um, fierce, uh, greed. eddie. um, but can you have you ever understood why people want to be so rich? we all want to be able to have a better bottle of wine, or we all want to have a nice car, or maybe a slightly bigger house. but i think the point of being very rich is to be able to

tell people that you are very rich . essentially, i think it is rich. essentially, i think it is a display very it's very fashionable these days to look into genetics and ancestry and to picture ancestry tours in a cave or in a field or, you know, hunting and gathering. and we know that some, some, some part of being human is acquisition is territorial acquisition. and whether it's land building a castle like this as a display as well as a defence and money is a defence as well as display. it protects you from everything in the world as a castle. why such huge sums of it? i don't know, i suppose when you get a huge sum competitive with each other, that's the point. i was going to say. you join a sort of club in which, uh, you know, people in the suburbs might say they've got better lawnmower than i got a better lawnmower than i have. going have to have. i'm going to have to upgrade . i'm going upgrade my lawnmower. i'm going to have to upgrade my strimmer and the sort of suburban

and all the sort of suburban things keeping up with the joneses, as we call it. it's a very we've talked about that all our lives. we know it as a phenomenon, but you scale it up, you simply scale it up. and we know this is true. i mean, i can still picture the moment when i was nine and i found an old macintosh, an old raincoat . macintosh, an old raincoat. people used to wear them. yeah and it had a ten shilling note in it . and the joy , the absolute in it. and the joy, the absolute joy - in it. and the joy, the absolute joy . yeah. now, what you can't joy. yeah. now, what you can't do is scale that joy up. if i then found £100,000 in a coat, i would be astonished. yeah, i would be astonished. yeah, i would go, wow , but i wouldn't would go, wow, but i wouldn't be. um, well, ten shillings is, you know, half a pound, so i wouldn't be 200,000 times happier than when i found that £10 note. but people think it's more is better. £10 note. but people think it's more is better . they do more is better. they do absolutely . alcoholics think absolutely. alcoholics think more is better. yeah, yeah, but but there are many aspects of humanity where we are bound , if humanity where we are bound, if

we're honest, to inspect ourselves , to say, i get that. ourselves, to say, i get that. i feel like that. but also i don't feel like that. but also i don't feel like that. i've always been very lucky with alcohol. for example, i do like a drink. i like wine, but i know i could never be an alcoholic. i just don't like it enough. i don't like feeling sick. i don't like having to cope with the responsibility of apologising the next day. if i've been drunk. i don't like the fact that i might get a bit argumentative and so i just, you know, could never be an alcoholic, but i could be lots of other things that i do recognise faults in. and similarly with money, mean, similarly with money, i mean, i like having enough money. i'll be honest, to turn left on an aeroplane. i think it's the most i still get excited by it. i still think, oh my goodness, i'm going first class and i love it. i mean, i just love it and it's a disgrace and i know i shouldn't and i try and do this awful word carbon offsetting and use the key word enough, enough . use the key word enough, enough. exactly. a sense of enough. so these very rich people have no sense of enough. yeah yeah. can

you do you understand it? i mean, it's an illness , isn't it? mean, it's an illness, isn't it? it is an illness. and i, i wrote a sort of autobiography about myself which tried to address my propensity to overdo things myself , but not not in money myself, but not not in money terms, but i noticed that from the i was the same. i was what we you know, it's awful what generational wars. you know, you say baby boomer and millennial and i just want to throw up when ihear and i just want to throw up when i hear all this. i'm sort of waiting imperialist. what exactly? i mean , it's just it exactly? i mean, it's just it seems so weird, but anyway, i am a baby boomer, and the technical sense and so i was born in the same year as sugar puffs. the cereal . all right. so i. i cereal. all right. so i. i should never forget that i was of a generation for whom telly advertising was first directed towards me when i was young to eat sugar puffs and ricicles and frosty e's and sugary things and

i went to a school which had a tuck shop, you know, a boarding school. and there were things like sherbet fountains with sherbet in it that white powder that you you , you sucked in that you you, you sucked in through a liquorice straw and, um , and they even , um, and they even, extraordinarily had spanish galleon rolling tobacco, which was coconut shreds. but it was done exactly like a rolling tobacco packet that you'd see. you'd see grown ups using, and you would have a pipe made of liquorice , and you would have liquorice, and you would have cigarettes with red tips on the end, which were candy cigarettes. do you remember all these sweets ? well, you're these sweets? well, you're probably a generation you probably a generation older. you didn't there was didn't have quite. no, there was a they were so you were a but they were so you were being prepared for cocaine and tobacco, essentially , you were tobacco, essentially, you were given white powder and tobacco. and i never could eat enough of that. and i would break out of school bounds and go to the village shop and buy all the fruit salads and black jacks and foamy shrimps and little rice paper flying saucers . and i paper flying saucers. and i stuffed myself, and i couldn't

eat them. and i got teeth missing here because of it. and then when i was a teenager, there was still. so i, i had this empty hole in me, this vast , empty hole that said, feed me . , empty hole that said, feed me. ineed , empty hole that said, feed me. i need this sugar , i need it. i need this sugar, i need it. and then when it wasn't sugar, it became tobacco. and i smoked. and then in my 20s, it became cocaine . it became that i just cocaine. it became that i just and i couldn't sit still without going, ha i you know, and it's going, ha! you know, and it's that addictive impulse that many people , many people watching people, many people watching will know what i mean. i and many people won't, because this is the important thing to remember. i say, not remember. as i say, not everybody has this, and it's a kind of addictive gene. and i guess the money have it guess the money people have it for there's this hole in for money. there's this hole in them. they acquire and them. they have to acquire and they have to own, and don't they have to own, and they don't know how fill it. and know how to fill it. no. and they think if i had another 500 million, i'd be happier. yes. well, this is it. one of the things you know a lot about you

know, psychotherapy and things like that. and one of the things always madden me about self—help books and books there is, is books and books on there is, is the ones that start off with goal orientation and set yourself goals. and i think it's the most dangerous and despicable, inimical thing imaginable because i don't know a human being who , when they a human being who, when they reaches a goal, they've set themselves, isn't dissatisfied, absolutely. an absolutely. always an anti—climax. and you have to, you know, it's, uh, so many of the nobel prize winners get very depressed when they win the nobel prize. i can imagine exactly. >> because. because what do they do next? yeah and apparently the great chess players always get very after huge energy very depressed after huge energy . so like these guys here, i can see there they are. >> they're getting to the end of their game though i can see. yes, one of them's got two queens. >> yeah .

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>> john cleese on. gb news. is there any way we could say, um , there any way we could say, um, you've got enough now ? you've got enough now? >> well, it's going to be very interesting because, um , we're interesting because, um, we're for the past few hundred years, all of us have used to the idea that we fulfil ourselves by by work . yeah, if we're lucky. it's work. yeah, if we're lucky. it's good work that does fulfil it. but that's not going to be true for very long. and it isn't something that was true in the past when the work was not a normal thing to do. if you said to an 18th century aristocrat , to an 18th century aristocrat, well, an aristocrat certainly that's true. but you know what i mean. they would have thought you were mad. yeah. and i suppose one has to. i'm talking about the agricultural about before the agricultural revolution, is not very revolution, which is not very long ago in terms of the length of existence as a species , of our existence as a species, as a viable species, we could go back in time before the agricultural revolution and shag someone from that era. and we would have babies. you know, we are the same yeah. and

are the same species. yeah. and then we didn't work. are the same species. yeah. and then we didn't work . this idea then we didn't work. this idea of work , the agricultural thing of work, the agricultural thing meant we had to stay in one place, and suddenly peasants became, you know, subject to the people on horseback and, and, and class and hierarchy was established. but, but it's coming again because of artificial intelligence. there will be much less need to work. and there's always this problem. i've been i've been thinking about artificial intelligence since the 80s, because i used to get very excited by this man, marvin minsky, who was the often called the father of ai. and i used to read his essays and books and things and, um, his forecasts have proved very no , forecasts have proved very no, no, they haven't. um, but but his analysis of what intelligence is and what it might be, i think was interesting. and one of my heroes, richard feynman, who i'm sure you know, the great physicist and, um, uh, he made a terribly good point about when someone asked him whether

artificial intelligence would come and whether machines would think like us, and he said, no , think like us, and he said, no, they won't think like us. they will think like us. when will never think like us. when we machines , we make them we make machines, we make them to do things we don't do, not things already do . so, for things we already do. so, for example, we can run. but when we make a bicycle, we make something that is totally different, that goes a bit faster. actually but it can't. i mean , a perfect example is mean, a perfect example is a cheetah that's the fastest land animal. it goes around 70 miles animal. it goes around 70 miles an hour or something. isn't it? um, well, we can't begin and we wouldn't even think of trying to imitate, make a machine like a cheetah. would be ridiculous . cheetah. it would be ridiculous. so instead, we a wheel, so instead, we invent a wheel, and eventually an engine and then eventually an engine that push the wheels. and that can push the wheels. and it's like a cheetah, but it's nothing like a cheetah, but it's nothing like a cheetah, but it can faster than a cheetah. it can go faster than a cheetah. so our version. and so it's our version. and similarly with intelligence, we won't imitate human won't try and imitate human intelligence. we will find, as we are beginning to do, we will find ways of assembling and sorting data , which isn't really sorting data, which isn't really intelligence, but it produced these results that are way beyond us. just as a car

produced his results way beyond a cheetah. but it's in a different sort of achievement. but it will i, i mean, i think governments are beginning to get wise to this . um, uh , the ubi, wise to this. um, uh, the ubi, the, the universal basic income . the, the universal basic income. is, is the thing that, uh, we're trying out in this country now in two regions, one's in finland, they've tried it out in the whole country, essentially the whole country, essentially the money that artificial sales gives in terms of labour costs, white collar labour costs as much as blue. um, that, that money goes into giving everybody an income. yeah so they don't have to work and then how did it work in finland? >> i think it worked. >> i think it worked. >> well. finland is still the happiest country on earth. yeah. so it can't done much so it can't have done too much harm. yeah um, i mean, it's, it will like anything. it will change and develop and, um, but you know, the cynics say i did a

lecture on, uh, ai about seven years ago at hay on wye and, and i talked about the possible of a universal basic income and things like that. and a lot of people ask the question, so are you saying that we've all got to become poets and potters and painters and artists and i said, well, no. although that would be quite pleasing. it obviously isn't particularly viable. who's going to buy the wretched stuff that we make? but we do have to think about what people will do . think about what people will do. we have this sense that there is idleness and that idleness is a terrible thing, but actually , if terrible thing, but actually, if you read bertrand russell's famous essay on idleness, which i'm sure you know, maybe, maybe it's a very, a very wonderful thing and we'll yield enormous fruit. >> wonderfully, wonderfully liberating for everyone. yes once they get used to the fact that they have to find out what they're interested in. yeah. when i first went to america , i when i first went to america, i was fascinated by how important

work was , and i came back after work was, and i came back after about a year and a half, and i remember getting on a tube with the evening standard, and there was a piece in it by a.j. ayer. yeah. one of the great philosophers. >> yes. the logical positivist. >> yes. the logical positivist. >> i still remember that. what he saying was that the first he was saying was that the first people who went off to america, new england, were puritans . new england, were the puritans. and sort of sat down and when they sort of sat down and said, well, what could we do? he said, well, shall we have a dance? no, we can't do that. no theatre . and what else could no theatre. and what else could we do? we played cards . no, we do? we played cards. no, that's not allowed. so in the end, the only thing they could really do was work. and i still see a very strong puritan streak in america. hugely between good and bad . i mean, i don't like and bad. i mean, i don't like smoking and i'd rather it didn't, but the savagery with which the non—smoker will persecute the smokers is just so stupid. yeah. so what? is there anything there in that ? what anything there in that? what were we talking about with work ?

were we talking about with work? i mean, in fact, can't we just play i mean, in fact, can't we just play cricket or read books and we'll be wonderful ? we'll be wonderful? >> the trouble is, i personally have been poisoned by the work ethic in that i am addicted to it. i have above my desk, um, a quotation from noel coward , quotation from noel coward, which is work is more fun than fun . and i've been very lucky to fun. and i've been very lucky to find that. so i am . and if find that. so i am. and if i have a day off because you're doing something that is enjoyable, it really enjoyable . enjoyable, it really enjoyable. >> i mean, there's two, three types of work. there's work you hate and then there's work you love, and then there's work where you like bits and don't like other bits. and so you try to do as much of the things you like and as little of the things you don't like. but it's all like that. but if you love your work , why would you want to stop? >> exactly . >> exactly. >> exactly. >> if you can, presumably the new well, what new problem is, well, what do you you count as work? you what do you count as work? >> exactly what count work. >> exactly what i count as work. other a lot of other people wouldn't. a lot of people fabulous people would say how fabulous that to retire how

that i'm going to retire or how fabulous i'm longer working. fabulous i'm no longer working. i i would, i'd i can garden, i would, i'd rather eat my own legs than than dig and fork and be a monty don. but he obviously enjoys it, and lots of people do. and they wouldn't like doing the things i do. you know, writing and things as you know, writing is agony. i mean, absolute agony, people. >> and i feel sorry for the businessmen because they really are motivated by money. now, when you give them all the money that they could have earned if they'd worked hard, they're going terrible position. >> you talk about agi is very interesting because in philosophy he he and his fellow vienna school, you know, the scientist type types basically felt that ethics aukus as a branch of philosophy had died. it was no longer particularly interesting. it was you'd teach it in universities. you know, and things, you know, but then technology, bio biotechnology, as well as , um, the internet and

as well as, um, the internet and other things have meant now that people can leave university with a master's or a doctorate in ethics , and they'll get a six ethics, and they'll get a six figure opening salary at big corporations, because whose ethics is at the heart of the problems that we're talking about. how do you decide what is an ethical artificial intelligence? how do you decide what is an ethical way to lay people off work and to keep them happy? >> corporations are studying this really seriously. >> they're trying to i mean, there has been a wave of fire in silicon valley lately, and some ethicists have gone. but i remember seeing a berkeley university. you have to say that obviously the pronunciation . obviously the pronunciation. yes. berkeley. uh you know what a graduate is called a berkeley , a graduate is called a berkeley, presumably , but there was presumably, but there was a philosophical quarterly from berkeley magazine , and it just berkeley magazine, and it just said at the top philosophy is no longer just a stylish route to longerjust a stylish route to poverty . question mark suddenly

poverty. question mark suddenly it was becoming the hottest discipline in universities for philosophy. and it is exciting because there is so much to think about and all of us are free to do that. >> are the bill gates's thinking about it? he does. he is a thoughtful man, i think, isn't he? >> um, but the ones who really spend all this money trying to get into space on their own rockets, well, they follow a branch of philosophy that is not very academically fashionable or or or admired, which is objectivism , which is the objectivism, which is the philosophy of ayn rand. you know , that the sort of libertarian , , that the sort of libertarian, uh, philosophy of the fountainhead and atlas shrugged , fountainhead and atlas shrugged, which are more popular now than in her own time. peter thiel for example, who's a very powerful investor in all kinds of things. he's a great admirer of ayn rand. and there's a new philosophy called long termism , philosophy called long termism, which sounds rather admirable. we've thought bad thing we've always thought bad thing about politics is so short termism, but this is a totally

different thing. this regards the humanity in the future of humanity in hundreds if not thousands of years. is the most important thing we can think about. and a few, well, a few pandemics and, uh, a diseases and climate change are pinpricks in in the long history . after all, the ice long history. after all, the ice age wiped us, most of us out. but but it gave a small cadre of surviving humans the chance to become our ancestors. and they think very hard about that. and there's, you know, there's a lot of paranoid fear that that's why, you know , musk and bezos why, you know, musk and bezos and people are wanting to go to mars is it? they know the earth is absolutely. do head because , is absolutely. do head because, uh, the image i have is we are children playing on the beach. yes making sand castles with our back to the sea and on the sea. various currents are combining. they are , for example, they are, for example, bioaugmentation brain machine interfacing , which is something

interfacing, which is something elon musk is doing where you interface with a computer and a computer with you. so it reads your thoughts and you can control it with your mind if you like. itself , with like. robotics itself, with quantum and artificial quantum computing and artificial intelligence of different kinds minds, um, new materials, nano nanomaterials and so on. all of these technologies, which are transformative on their own, not to mention genomics and gene editing , um, to mention genomics and gene editing, um, are like separate swells in the ocean that are combining to make a gigantic tsunami . and as i say, we are tsunami. and as i say, we are playing on the beach wondering about little things . you know, about little things. you know, like this particular strike or whether what names we call ourselves, what our identities are . there are these tiny little are. there are these tiny little issues that we are obsessed with. >> what's the tsunami ? >> what's the tsunami? >> what's the tsunami? >> the tsunami is the combination, the confluence of all these technologies , all all these technologies, all changing each other. >> so you mean life will be transformed in a way we can't begin to guess at? yes or let me ask you this question. yeah. the

ask you this question. yeah. the a lot of social media is just awful. people being unbelievably nasty to people . if you post nasty to people. if you post something on social media, surely it would be very . easy to surely it would be very. easy to have an identification on that post, which would tell you who'd posted it, which would shame people into posting a lot of the nastiest stuff. yes why don't they do it? >> um, well, in the case of twitter, you know, musk is a libertarian free speech, absolute deist. he calls himself and i think he would regard any regulation which enforced something like that, a denial of anonymity and the right to anonymity and the right to anonymity denied of anonymity. i agree with you . agree with you. >> you're not forcing it on people. what you're saying is, if you want to post something, you have to tell people who you are. >> i think it's a mixture of, uh, genuine sense that they want

it to be a free space where people can comment without being got at, for example , because the got at, for example, because the problem is, you know, you might you might express a view. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> in some of the hot button issues of today, you might express a view on gender and something like that, and you will get hit upon on both sides. it doesn't matter which side. uh, but that's the problem about expressing view anyway. well, expressing a view anyway. well, it it is . um, and so it is, it is. um, and so anonymity gives a sort of confidence to some. but the confidence to some. but the confidence to some. but the confidence to terrible people, as we know it's a disaster. and i'm of course, i put things on twitter as you do. i used to you don't anymore. no, no, i'm afraid once mr musk got there, i just felt no. and this is why you mustn't believe anything i say about the future . because i say about the future. because i believed when ? in two thousand believed when? in two thousand and seven, when i joined twitter and seven, when i joined twitter and it was just starting, i believe that it would melt away by boundaries and divisions and the old problems, and that we would all be brothers and

sisters. but the problem with technology is there were always good people who use it for good reasons , and then there are reasons, and then there are rather bad people who use it for bad reasons. >> yes. and that's true of everything that's ever been invented. >> i look at the gutenberg's first printing press, and you look at it that is capable of printing the poems of john keats or mein kampf. it doesn't know any different , or mein kampf. it doesn't know any different, you or mein kampf. it doesn't know any different , you know. so any different, you know. so there's mein kampf, kchung every, every invention has a good and a bad . good and a bad. >> yes. it has no beginning. everyone's so excited about it. they only see the positive. >> that's right. the technology itself has no i think the technical tum would be no moral valency. yes. you know

i >> -- >> uh, artificial intelligence is always seemed to me the great problem in science is that if you can't measure something, you think it can't be scientific .

think it can't be scientific. science is about measuring things right? and sometimes they invent things like behaviourism , invent things like behaviourism, which is all about the business of being able. yeah, right. to measure things and not about anything else. a very interesting sort , right? almost interesting sort, right? almost everything that goes on in here is very , very hard to measure. is very, very hard to measure. >> yes . it is is very, very hard to measure. >> yes. it is very hard to quantify . quantify. >> and since human beings are robbed of their emotions by an accident , unable to cope despite accident, unable to cope despite the fact that they're completely logical, still , because they logical, still, because they don't have emotion , helping them don't have emotion, helping them to make a decision how does that apply to make a decision how does that apply to i don't? we wouldn't. if it's going to really take over , wouldn't we have to give over, wouldn't we have to give it an emotional range to motivate it, which we have no chance of giving it ? chance of giving it? >> well, again, i would return to that point of feynman's that we would do something that was like equivalent . what we have

like an equivalent. what we have now has been brilliantly described by critics as not intelligent or anything remotely like intelligence. a stochastic parrot, right, is the phrase thatis parrot, right, is the phrase that is used of the kind of chat gpt four and these kinds of thing that have become very popular. they are essentially probabilistic. guess at what popular. they are essentially probabilistic . guess at what the probabilistic. guess at what the next thought that should be based on. it's ability to access a vast corpus of data, which depends on there being such a thing as the internet that has this data electronically available. all of the speed of light except. and so it is the next step. artificial general intelligence , as it's known, intelligence, as it's known, would that require sentience ? would that require sentience? it's a sense of self consciousness. would would the system be aware that it was a system? of course, at the moment it it parrots that it's aware. i cannot answer that question because i am just a large language model. it says when you ask it something , you know, ask it something, you know, delicate. this is when people are worried about what's called

the singularity, when it suddenly becomes aware of itself and whether this would give it and whether this would give it an actual emotion in the way that our brains have emotions or an electronic equivalent. that's to say , a sort of need of some to say, a sort of need of some kind, a need to do something thing, a need to, to, um, make itself something that it isn't because in a sense, that's the human, not even an animal thing. i mean, you look at these lovely animals and what one of the things we love about animals, i think, is that they don't wake up in the morning feeling terrible about yesterday and how they let themselves down in, you know, a tree frog spends 100% of its being a tree frog. it's its time being a tree frog. it's a human spends living in the present. >> yes, they're living in my daughter's just acquired a completely dog. i have completely blind dog. i have a friend with it. yeah, and it's ecstatically happy. i know now, andifs ecstatically happy. i know now, and it's wonderful because it doesn't wake up in the morning thinking, i wish i had a couple of hours or i wish i was a cat, you know, mean , we as humans,

you know, i mean, we as humans, we to other things all we wish to be other things all the time. >> we are just so dissatisfied with ourselves, teach so with ourselves, teach us so much. >> eh- f- t they do. and >> these things they do. and i think value pets is that think the value of pets is that they us into the present , they bring us into the present, that when we're stroking a cat or playing with a dog, we're totally in the present, which is where happiness lies. >> it is absolutely right. >> it is it is absolutely right. >> it is it is absolutely right. >> thinking of a damasio. do >> i'm thinking of a damasio. do you remember damaso? antonio damasio's book about the guy who'd had who had who'd had his who had a perfectly logical brain? that's right. but he couldn't make any decisions because his emotional intelligence science had been rendered him so i'm saying if it's going to if they're going to take over the world for us, they have to develop an emotional intelligence which will them how to do that will tell them how to do that will tell them how to do that will motivate. i mean, no. will motivate. no, i mean, no. i think that's like saying a car has to develop legs. >> it's going be like a >> if it's going to be like a cheetah. point is, it won't cheetah. the point is, it won't be cheetah, but it be ever like a cheetah, but it will faster. but it's style will go faster. but it's style of forward is not legs, of going forward is not legs, but and similarly a computer style of sentience wouldn't need

to imitate a human one. just as a car doesn't need to imitate a cheetah, or indeed a human. you don't. and a robot won't won't be a walking android type thing unless we want that for fun. but you know, that's not the way it needs to be. sometimes you imitate nature , of course, and imitate nature, of course, and people love to imitate geckos for sticking things all the rest of it in nature. um uh, obviously has had millions of years to practice and fail and practice and fail and practice and fail. >> the basic rule >> but the basic rule of computer is, am i right? or is this old fashioned in, out? >> yes, it's gigo, garbage in garbage out was the polite way of putting it . of putting it. >> how can they go beyond what we put in them? >> well, they look elsewhere. that's one of the things the internet has done, is that we don't put anything into that. it goes and looks it . we goes out and looks for it. we tell to look , oh, i see its tell it to look, oh, i see its organs are to look. it scans the world of data and not to look for anything in particular. no, exactly. not to look at anything particular. i mean, at the

moment you have to remember that what looking at now what you're looking at now is, let's chatgpt gpt four, let's say chatgpt gpt four, which is the sort of publicly available second version of, of the openai bot, as they like to call it, that is like looking at karl benz car in 1895, jolly impressed . look at that poop, impressed. look at that poop, poop impressed. look at that poop, poop , poop. it can go ten miles poop, poop. it can go ten miles an hour. it's amazing thing what it will be next year and the year after. and in ten years time, look at what the motor car became. look at how it transformed everything about our lives and our cities and our countries. >> because the people inventing a lot of people motivated to make them better. and also you have to remember an enormous number of people who loved their horses, looked at it and said, it's pathetic. >> it'll never catch on. it's been said. i mean, i remember when i first heard it, no, i get all that. >> and then there's a human. if you if the cars are improving, it's because there's some human who wants is to make them

better. yes. so i'm aware. does that emotion i want to do this for some reason come from if he can't make a decision, if our emotional faculties are not tasked to make itself better , tasked to make itself better, it's tasked. >> it's tasked to make itself better. yeah. even the ones we have now, things like chess. >> there's no element of the human mind over there in chess. so you can always come up with a computer that will beat a man eventually . yes. and its memory eventually. yes. and its memory is better . eventually. yes. and its memory is better. and it can play all these games and find out what works, doesn't work . yes. works, what doesn't work. yes. so that? yes. but but so you've got that? yes. but but when you're dealing with things with there's an element of the human emotion involved in order to create a decision. >> the point is it's artifice , >> the point is it's artifice, social intelligence. we're not making human intelligence in a machine . we are making machine. we are making artificial intelligence . no, but artificial intelligence. no, but i'm asking, is it limited ? i'm asking, is it limited? >> is it limited in what it what can achieve? because it can't decide to do something because it wants to? yes

>> probably limited in that . it >> probably limited in that. it will probably. we hope that it will probably. we hope that it will remain something that takes instruction . so yeah, that it instruction. so yeah, that it won't say i want to paint a ceiling and it then produces something better than the sistine chapel because i have a need to do it . sistine chapel because i have a need to do it. but but given sistine chapel because i have a need to do it . but but given the need to do it. but but given the exponential way, it will improve , move, improve itself , write , move, improve itself, write code to improve itself , , move, improve itself, write code to improve itself, and continue to improve. >> i understand , given that it's >> i understand, given that it's very hard to make a stable and safe prediction. last question. yeah cricket. yes >> actor cricket. there you are. what was the point of the hundred? >> we've got 20 overs, which is 120 balls. now somebody says no, we'd be better if we only had 100 balls. do we got to go slowly down until the match has been pared down to about 30 balls for each innings , right? balls for each innings, right? yeah. and then all the rest of

the time, we can watch rockets going off. and it's money. >> of course it is money. it's advertising. it's getting people in the ground . in the ground. >> and what's the difference between 100 and 20 balls and 101 hundred. >> it it seems not much. but sometimes these things do make a difference. i i personally not a huge fan of hundred . the some huge fan of hundred. the some people i know who are real cricketers and absolute lovers of the game think it's a fantastic innovation. >> thought it was cricket for >> i thought it was cricket for people who didn't cricket . people who didn't like cricket. >> to introduce >> well, it's to introduce people like to people who don't like cricket to cricket then see maybe it's cricket and then see maybe it's a gateway drug. >> it's not a game, it's a marketing exercise . right. marketing exercise. right. >> kind of. yes. i mean, i'm afraid that's the way things go because. because grounds might otherwise be empty. and so the only way you can fill them is to market the game. you can't you can't expect them. >> love test matches, and >> i love test matches, and i love the county championship. i people of our generation do. >> but i think we have to be realistic about getting younger people into and they want to people into it and they want to spend evening fun in spend an evening having fun in kind of in the way americans go

to baseball game. and i know to a baseball game. and i know it sounds terrible to imitate another american institution. >> yes, it's for people with limited attention span. if you like. >> i think that may well be your sweetie. >> .gov bless you, dear man. >> .gov bless you, dear man. >> i'm sure i've talked nonsense, but it's been enormous fun to edit you very , very heavily. >> yeah , no, it's great. >> yeah, no, it's great. >> yeah, no, it's great. >> it really is . >> it really is. >> it really is. >> it's been fabulous to chose anyone. >> it's been fabulous to chose anyone . one of those cats you anyone. one of those cats you like and take it with you. tell me that would i would . and now me that would i would. and now time for a song. >> they say that life is fleeting. like some shoddy central heating . first your central heating. first your tasty , then your mostly in the tasty, then your mostly in the cold. there are some who say it's ruthless that we end up bald and toothless, but who

admits the benefits of getting old. and my nature is a pensioner . and though we pensioner. and though we shouldn't mention her, she carries on as though she's gone berserk . work we aspire to this berserk. work we aspire to this endeavour that will peace will reign forever . but how can it, reign forever. but how can it, when the planet doesn't work . when the planet doesn't work. i can't wait for the apocalypse ships the atmospheric , esoteric ships the atmospheric, esoteric whistle stop a clip . oops. whistle stop a clip. oops. there's a cost of living crisis. peppa pig is joining isis. there's bugger all to live for, so we're ready to die. i can't wait for the apocalypse . oops. wait for the apocalypse. oops. what kind of blunt and jubilant atomic clock is this? there is no second coming. just a bog with lousy plumbing.

>> we don't need a horoscope to certify that at the end of the world is nai nai nai nai nai nai nai nai night is quite alluring . nai nai night is quite alluring. >> and to me, it's reassuring that the bunfight over sunlight is adjourned for a oblivion is jolly . there's no need to bring jolly. there's no need to bring a brolly for extinctions . a brolly for extinctions. >> a distinction to be your wonder. it's quite common for an earthling to expect a fresh rebirthing re—embark as joan of arc or mao tse dong . arc or mao tse dong. >> but if you dream of smutty mergings on a cloud of 80 virgins, when you signed out, you will find out you were wrong i >> -- >> hey,i exam >> hey , i can't wait for the apocalypse. >> the fine and dandy cotton

candy lollipop eclipse. there are demons swinging axes , but at are demons swinging axes, but at least you won't pay taxes . so least you won't pay taxes. so bnng least you won't pay taxes. so bring on armageddon cos we're ready to fly. >> i can't wait for the apocalypse. >> a final pucker from the wind . >> a final pucker from the wind. >> a final pucker from the wind. >> the proper lips let the universe be blasted. >> it was spiffing while it lasted . so let's wave a lasted. so let's wave a metaphysical goodbye . hey hey . metaphysical goodbye. hey hey. >> for the end of the world is nigh . via . nigh. via. >> next time on the dinosaur. ah it's making the point that not only is cancel culture real, but it's. >> it's so bad we're going to be

studying it in 100 years. it is odd when you think about it, that there is an ideology which has become a dominant value that nobody is allowed to question . nobody is allowed to question. >> we didn't vote it in. right? i mean, i mean, when you think about it, it's like, really no one's allowed to question this, but you were right, right? >> heteronormative . from >> heteronormative. from a colonial izing nation , you colonial izing nation, you imperialist, you go into the. exactly. you go into this terrain with some severe baggage on your side. >> are you going to be problematic again? are ha ha. >> i love that one. >> i love that one. >> there's also people who think that the key to saving the world is less and less freedom of speech. yes you would think we would have learned a bit from galileo . well, right. get off galileo. well, right. get off this christmas eve and christmas day . day. >> wake up with for gb news the finest festive start to your christmas for you and the whole

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