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management of its operations. this is gb news across the uk on tv , in your car, on digital tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play . by saying play. gb news. on >> i'm andrew doyle, executive producer of the dinosaur hour and louis schaefer with me here you are the maitre d in the dinosaur. >> no, i was the star of the entire show. and i think people are going to see when they, are going to see that when they, uh, going to cut you uh, you were going to cut you out a lot. you know what? if my mother was still living, she would, be furious. mother was still living, she wotshe be furious. mother was still living, she wotshe would, furious. mother was still living, she wotshe would, butous. mother was still living, she wotshe would, but she's not. and >> she would, but she's not. and i that was okay. i knew that that was okay. >> i am in. i am in the >> no, but i am in. i am in the opening. i hope cut opening. i hope you don't cut out the opening section. >> the opening

section. >> i'm in opening section. >> i'm in the opening section. and of course, working john cleese. >> that cleese. » that >> that must be, uh, exciting. >> that must be, uh, exciting. >> that was >> well, that was that was amazing. really. i didn't appreciate it at time, but appreciate it at the time, but then working then i'm sitting there working with this is with him. i'm thinking, this is john yeah, this is john john cleese. yeah, this is john cleese and cleese as in cheese. he's. and you got to get that right. >> he in america, they call him cleese. yeah and he really has a problem with that. but you're an american you're getting american and you're getting it right. >> well, my name is schaefer. people schaefer, people say schaefer, you just got used or change got to get used to it or change your to something that your name to something that everybody your name to something that eveyeah,/ normally get >> yeah, people normally get mine. right. although i was called a critic called andrew doyle by a critic once, angry, once, made me an angry, uh, because probably because that's probably the first because that's probably the firs that's ever happened to you >> that's ever happened to you with been with me. my name has been misspelled. remember time misspelled. i remember one time i name was spelled i noticed my name was spelled correctly restaurant, correctly at a restaurant, and i was like , it maybe it was correctly at a restaurant, and i wa my (e , it maybe it was correctly at a restaurant, and i wa my 30s.t maybe it was correctly at a restaurant, and i wamy 30s. and maybe it was correctly at a restaurant, and i wamy 30s. and i maybe it was correctly at a restaurant, and i wamy 30s. and i wasbe it was correctly at a restaurant, and i wamy 30s. and i was like, was in my 30s. and i was like, shocked because it never happens. but cleese john cleese. >> yeah, i mean, the great thing about show to be able about the show was to be able to make show wanted to make the show that he wanted to make, was talking to make, which was talking to the people interesting people that he found interesting about that he found about the subjects that he found interesting. and that isn't something uh, is something that normally, uh, is granted by television channels ,

granted by television channels, two stars. they normally tell them what have to do, where them what they have to do, where they to stand. yeah, all of that. >> well, let's just let's just hope that people he finds interesting find interesting or people we find interesting or people we find interesting audience interesting or that the audience finds that's i finds interesting, that's what i mean. found them mean. yeah. well, i found them interesting. no, i found them interesting. no, i found them interesting. i have to interesting. yeah. i have to find them interesting because i'm please. i'm working with john. please. yes. spending more yes. and as we're spending more time dude, i'm time with the dude, i'm realising, god, is . realising, oh my god, this is. yeah, this is john. >> i mean, because python was really america. really big in america. >> was really big in america. >> it was really big in america. and and, um, i think it was, i don't know, it was really big in america. it wasn't really big in america. it wasn't really big in america. it was big among college kids. right and i was at university university. college kids. right and i was at uwas rsity university. college kids. right and i was at uwas rsituniversity university. college kids. right and i was at uwas rsituniversity at1iversity. college kids. right and i was at uwas rsituniversity at1ivertime. i was at university at the time. and i remember, i remember we watched episodes and watched all the episodes and then next then we're waiting for the next thing out. it wasn't thing to come out. and it wasn't like it was my first association with british television. whereas they don't produce as many episodes as they do in america . episodes as they do in america. so you're sitting waiting so you're sitting there waiting because you americans, you get like writing teams, and you like big writing teams, and you throw so much money at it that you just endlessly produce you can just endlessly produce

shows. has shows. john cleese has has unlimited patience. >> he does ? yeah. with you , with >> he does? yeah. with you, with me, with everybody. >> i don't have limit, i have. >> i don't have limit, i have. >> i'm very impatient with you. >> i'm very impatient with you. >> i'm very impatient with you. >> i don't think you are no , i >> i don't think you are no, i think to do what's think you're trying to do what's best the show. i think best for the show. and i think you just it in a, in a in you just handle it in a, in a in a bad he's 83 years old. he a bad way. he's 83 years old. he knows he knows what to do with people and lot of the people all and a lot of the thing that on screen is him. like saying an idiot or like saying i'm an idiot or stupid is. and stupid or whatever it is. and i hopeit stupid or whatever it is. and i hope it comes across as being funny. i mean, i did cry afterwards. >> you did, because there was an authenticity to it. yeah. which i up i picked up on. >> but , but i picked up on. >> but, but in, in our private dealings, he was very cordial and was very professional and he was very professional with everyone. >> should say, though. i >> we should say, though. i mean, like, it's an odd place to film the castle in the film it. the castle in the middle essex really the middle of essex really was the middle of essex really was the middle nowhere. mean, there middle of nowhere. i mean, there was know, middle of nowhere. i mean, there was going know, middle of nowhere. i mean, there was going to know, middle of nowhere. i mean, there was going to same (now, we kept going to that same restaurant there restaurant because there was only restaurant only one restaurant in the village. don't give the people the >> um, don't give the people the impression we were eating meals, but was sorry. it was but it was. it was sorry. it was . don't know what that meant, . i don't know what that meant, but was in the middle but it was it was in the middle of don't know why

of nowhere, and i don't know why you . i you could you chose it. i mean, you could have probably set for have probably built a set for less money. >> we probably could. >> we probably could. >> been >> and it would have been closer, you wouldn't closer, and you wouldn't have had all the way had to schlep people all the way to the middle, headington castle. it's not useful for castle. it's not very useful for you me this now. you to tell me this now. >> this is the of >> yeah. this is the kind of advice could have had before advice i could have had before the show started. >> to me. i try to keep >> i listen to me. i try to keep out of business, andrew. out of your business, andrew. i'm getting i'm so happy to be getting a job. was at the lowest job. my life was at the lowest point and you, you point and. and you, you you saved me. the thing i learned about. one you about. can i say one thing? you can whatever like with can say whatever you like with actual john cleese is less is more . i know that's they say more. i know that's they say that about all the great actors. yes, but when he's when he's speaking to the camera, he takes it down a notch from what he what he normally is. i mean, it's perceptible but not that perceptible . yes. perceptible. yes. >> whereas your instinct is to overplay it. >> yes. because. because i'm an amateur and a failure. a drama queen. yeah, but everything's got to be a drama with you. i'm more of a drama princess. i haven't reached the queen stage. i am a product of my father, who

was in this country for four months training to invade normandy. >> he was on the beaches in normandy, was the fifth ranger battalion. >> they were the first boats on omaha beach. yeah. i'm a patriot . um, uh, the united states . i . um, uh, the united states. i love the good old us of a, uh, i'm a patriot. love the good old us of a, uh, i'm a patriot . when i was i'm a patriot. when i was growing up, we said the national. you know, we did the national anthem. we had the pledge of allegiance that we sang. no, no, they don't do all that stuff anymore. >> they don't do the pledge of allegiance. >> no. not anymore in schools. and it's a shame. and i have always been so proud to be an american. and, uh, in fact, i was the first person to ever put up an american flag or a flag. any flag at the finish line at the olympic games. where now everybody goes across the finish line. they have their pr guy standing and thank you. standing there and thank you. they have their pr guy standing there and i'd, um, uh, you know , there and i'd, um, uh, you know, they have their country's flag .

they have their country's flag. and i started that whole thing back in 1976. >> caitlyn jenner is the most famous trans person in the world, and we wanted to talk about those issues. so of course , getting caitlyn jenner to this castle in the middle of nowhere, in the middle of the english countryside, that was quite a feat, i think. think. feat, i think. i think. >> how did you arrange it? >> well, how did you arrange it? you're producer. >> well, how did you arrange it? you're gave»ducer. >> well, how did you arrange it? you're gave herer. >> well, how did you arrange it? you're gave her a. >> well, how did you arrange it? you're gave her a phone call. >> this gave her a phone call. yeah, and it was fine, but it wasn't as simple as that. it is as as that. but as simple as that. but um. i thought it was a really interesting that interesting conversation that they thought was i'll >> i thought it was too. i'll tell what it tell you what made it interesting, that it was not what she said. that was that interesting? no, it was was interesting? no, it was it was the was so the fact that she was so perfectly normal as a person. yeah. what did you expect? i'm in the back. i'm sitting down waiting for my little scenes to come up. whatever they were. and i'm listening to a new i'm listening to it as a new york, new yorker. yeah. and i'm heanng york, new yorker. yeah. and i'm hearing iowa. >> well, it's the thing of being that famous and winning. i mean , that famous and winning. i mean, winning everything at the olympics , right? i mean, i know olympics, right? i mean, i know nothing sport, right?

olympics, right? i mean, i know ndo ing sport, right? olympics, right? i mean, i know ndo know, sport, right? olympics, right? i mean, i know ndo know, you;port, right? olympics, right? i mean, i know ndo know, you know right? olympics, right? i mean, i know ndo know, you know . ght? i do know, you know. >> well, and it's such a minor sport that this happened. i think it was the decathlon or something. where it's like something. yeah. where it's like you've got run you've got to you've got to run and jump and throw things. it's and jump and throw things. it's a of little, sports a lot of little, little sports put together . it's not. it's not put together. it's not. it's not like football or tennis or whatever . whatever. >> and caitlyn jenner. >> and caitlyn jenner. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> has no time for woke culture. that was really, really clear. that's quite surprising coming from someone who who identifies as trans . yeah. because you as trans. yeah. because you assume this is the point that caitlyn made. yeah. the assumption is that if you're part of the lgbtq+ community, you're automatically pro woke. and that's not what that's not the case there. >> um, you do you think the all their ideas are bad or most of them or some of them ? them or some of them? >> i think i mean, let's take the trans trans people . yeah. the trans trans people. yeah. um, i think they've taken the woke idea ology and has just taken it to the max where it's

not even i'm a common sense person. okay i like to think of i'm i'm the adult in the room. okay. maybe i'm not, but i like to think of myself as the adult in the room that has had a lot of experiences in life . i've of experiences in life. i've gone through a lot in my life. um, and i've learned a lot. and i know kind of how the world works . and but because of that , works. and but because of that, i also i'm not always on the radical. i call them the radical rainbow coalition or the, uh , rainbow coalition or the, uh, the rainbow, the radical rainbow, uh, mafia . i mean, the rainbow, uh, mafia. i mean, the lgbt community. there is a small group that has taken that over, evenin group that has taken that over, even in the trans community, small group of highly woke crazy people that don't i don't think, you know, they're not good for trans people in general because they're so outspoken and, you know, trans women are real

women. and you know, they're yelling at people and you're not going to get anywhere with that. but there's a small community. and in social media, why why do they have so much power if they're social they're so? because of social media them a big, loud media gives them a big, loud microphone? i think it an microphone? i think it was an interesting conversation, though, would though, because john is, i would say, wing . say, very left wing. >> caitlyn right >> uh, caitlyn jenner, right wing , right. and they probably wing, right. and they probably wouldn't agree on much if you got down to it. you know, when it comes to trump and you know, i think caitlyn is a big fan of trump. >> well, the interesting thing is, and i've having watched all the episodes , is the perception the episodes, is the perception that people have that john cleese isn't left wing because . cleese isn't left wing because. >> but why is that? just because he's against cancel culture? >> yeah, because he made a couple of comments that weren't quite on point. right. and they were comments an were the comments that an older person about the person would make about the changes being made changes that are being made today. totally, you know, today. it was totally, you know, but that's more do with today. it was totally, you know, but idea s more do with today. it was totally, you know, but idea that more do with today. it was totally, you know, but idea that because do with today. it was totally, you know, but idea that because ofo with today. it was totally, you know, but idea that because of the th the idea that because of the tribalism times, tribalism of our times, if you're on the left, you have to adhere to all of these various points view. adhere to all of these various poiiand view. adhere to all of these various poiiand if/iew. adhere to all of these various

poiiand if you deviate one jot, >> and if you deviate one jot, suddenly you're an evil, far right suddenly you're an evil, far rigii don't john cleese >> i don't know john cleese politics. that's probably a good thing. yeah, think it is thing. yeah, i think it is a good thing. >> know your politics >> i don't know your politics because change every time because you change every time i talk because you change every time i taliwell, no, i don't. ijust >> well, no, i don't. ijust don't have personality. well don't have a personality. well this particularly this was particularly frustrating for me from a production i'd inviting >> yeah, that i'd be inviting all people to come on. all of these people to come on. i'd finding the most woke i'd be finding the most woke people in the country. yeah you know, journalists, know, academics, journalists, commentators, the people who self—describe . right? self—describe as woke. right? yeah. and they're all saying, self—describe as woke. right? yea we'rei they're all saying, self—describe as woke. right? yea we'rei thegoingll saying, self—describe as woke. right? yea we'rei thegoing to ;aying, self—describe as woke. right? yeawe'rei thegoing to come on no, we're not going to come on to one them said, to this. and one of them said, you shouldn't even be talking about uh, yeah, about this. and, uh, yeah, but why? because shouldn't about this. and, uh, yeah, but why because ecause shouldn't about this. and, uh, yeah, but why because and se shouldn't about this. and, uh, yeah, but why because and la shouldn't about this. and, uh, yeah, but why because and la thisrldn't about this. and, uh, yeah, but why because and la this is n't he? because and i think this is something comes out the something that comes out in the program ism program because authority ism is built into the woke mindset. you know, a tyrant wouldn't have a conversation about the choices they make. they're not going to say, do this. someone say, you must do this. someone said, well, let's a said, well, let's have a discussion that. they'll discussion about that. they'll just do just say, no, you've got to do it because who believe in it because people who believe in the unquote woke thing, the quote unquote woke thing, they right and they they think it's right and they think it. >> think think w" >> they think if they think of it good thing, this is why it as a good thing, this is why i would love it if people who were the woke side were on the woke side would

watch think about watch the show and think about what's and what's being discussed and, and sort consider having sort of consider having discussions, because on my show every week, i invite people to discuss this stuff, and you can only get one side of the only ever get one side of the debate agree debate . debate to agree to a debate. >> it's very, very frustrating. >> it's very, very frustrating. >> there's nothing you >> right? so there's nothing you can it. nothing. >> right? so there's nothing you canso it. nothing. >> right? so there's nothing you canso you it. nothing. >> right? so there's nothing you canso you mightlothing. >> right? so there's nothing you canso you mightlot well not have bothered. >> i don't i mean, personally, it's not my business, but i think, actually think, i think to actually i don't to say. i don't don't know what to say. i don't think they should have we shouldn't have the episode. think they should have we shoyeah. have the episode. think they should have we shoyeah. have it. the episode. >> yeah. that's it. we shouldn't. no you shouldn't have made the episode, you made the episode, but you shouldn't have. >> you shouldn't the >> you shouldn't have asked the question. just question. you should have just said gone down said you should have gone down the this this the list is this a is this a woke thing or is that not woke woke thing or is that not a woke thing? is this woke to think this woke would this or is that woke that would have great tv program. have been a great tv program. >> there's lot lists. yeah, >> there's a lot of lists. yeah, yeah. then into this yeah. and then get into this list and then and then at the end the day, i've taken all end of the day, i've taken all these tests and you find these tests and then you find out why we don't out what this is why we don't let

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background who has been on the receiving end of racism, it gives me latitude to kind of satirise what has become known as woke ideology . but. but you as woke ideology. but. but you white right? heteronormative . white right? heteronorm ative. from white right? heteronormative. from a colonial izing nation, you imperialist, you go into. exactly. you go into this terrain with some severe baggage on your side. i kind of i mean, it's interesting to me that when i look at the trajectory of your career, i've always seen you in your early you as your early life. you took as many great comedians do. you took aim at the power structures of religion and conservative ideology. what you characterise as closed systems of thought. but i think you're right to turn your attention to woke because it has become a closed system . it has become a closed system. >> so one of the things in the show, in this particular episode is wanting to talk is that john is wanting to talk about the effect of wokeness on comedy. of the comedy. yeah. and one of the things he talks about is things that he talks about is literal lot literal mindedness and how a lot of woke people they can't of the woke people they can't really appreciate humour. they're pretty puritanical.

they're pretty puritanical. they're pretty puritanical. they're pretty humourless because they take everything at face value, and that doesn't work. to a stand up work. if you go to a stand up show and someone's telling jokes and you're taking the jokes at face just because face value, well, just because they at jokes, they don't laugh at our jokes, we well, that's we don't like it. well, that's the i give. the excuse that i give. >> yeah, that's the excuse that every comedian gives is they're not must. but not laughing, so they must. but the all comedy the point is, all comedy is about mindedness. about literal mindedness. why didn't no. didn't the exact opposite? no. why did the chicken cross the road? you have to envision a chicken. you have to literal chicken. you have to be literal with a chicken. >> envisage chicken without >> envisage a chicken without thinking is real. thinking the chicken is real. you think the chicken is real. when you hear that joke? >> no. as you're thinking of it, the chicken is real. maybe at the chicken is real. maybe at the end joke, you know the end of the joke, you know it's a real thing, but it's not a real thing, but basically what? >> you have to suspend >> you mean you have to suspend your during your disbelief during the process to process of the joke telling to believe is real believe that the chicken is real in to order laugh, that there is an actual you're an actual chicken, you're envisioning chicken you're. envisioning a chicken you're. >> clinically, >> no, i don't think clinically, i so all. think i don't think so at all. i think the reason why people get upset about that and like about a joke like that and like because see that because they see that it's coming from bad place of the coming from a bad place of the teller .

teller. >> if your audiences took everything you said on stage, literally , i don't think you literally, i don't think you would have survived to this day. no no, because they would have rushed stage and dismembered rushed the stage and dismembered you. have have >> but they have to. they have to. basically the to. but basically it's the mountain to serious. what mountain has to be serious. what mountain has to be serious. what mountain ? the mountain of the mountain? the mountain of the joke. mountain of a joke of joke. what mountain of a joke of the is a mountain? the chicken is a mountain? >> you trying a metaphor >> are you trying a metaphor here? no sense. >> the chicken is real in my show. and where did the show. and. and where did the mountain come in? >> a chicken the >> it's a chicken on the mountain. >> w- w— >> could be on the mountain. there's on mountain. there's a chicken on a mountain. why did the chicken climb up the mountain? >> that's not the joke. the joke is not climbing mountains. >> i the chicken to go >> if i want the chicken to go up mountain, i the riff up the mountain, i want the riff on joke like that. on a classic joke like that. >> it's not your right. yeah. >> it's not your right. yeah. >> who says not my right? >> who says it's not my right? see, what respect you, see, that's what respect you, the comedians that have come before paved way. before you and paved the way. andrew going to andrew people are not going to likel andrew people are not going to likei thought we were getting >> i thought we were getting hugh best. oh, hugh laurie second best. oh, well, um , fry . stephen, well, stephen, um, fry. stephen, it is lovely to have you here, you silly man. >> it's lovely to be had here. if i may say.

>> i want to know about cricket, because you've just become president of the mcc . and it's president of the mcc. and it's a beautiful, beautiful game. it's the still the only game that is very like the one i used to watch in western supermarine clarence park in 1948. >> well, that's because we were guardians of the law. the laws of cricket , the mcc, other games of cricket, the mcc, other games have rules. cricket has laws . have rules. cricket has laws. but each tournament will have its regulations. like where the fielders can be, how far from the bat and so on. but there are laws of cricket which are the same in on a beach in west indies, or in a slum in mumbai with stickball, or in a village in england, or in weston super mare john cleese obsessed with cricket, and i think he was quite disappointed working on the show with me, because every now and he would talk to me now and then he would talk to me about phone him about cricket or i'd phone him up he'd be watching up and he'd be watching a cricket game. up and he'd be watching a cricyeah,|me. and i couldn't >> yeah, yeah. and i couldn't even interest. even feign interest. yeah because know how because i didn't know how what it is. know what it is. i know roughly what cricket is, but i don't know it is. i know roughly what crickethe. but i don't know it is. i know roughly what crickethe rules don't know it is. i know roughly what crickethe rules are. 't know it is. i know roughly what crickethe rules are. i know it is. i know roughly what crickethe rules are. i don't know

what the rules are. i don't know what the rules are. i don't know what an over is. is that what it's called? an over? >> oh, you're asking an >> oh, you're asking me as an american? yeah. what? >> you probably know >> it over? you probably know more do. more about cricket than i do. >> i do know lot about >> i do know a lot about cricket. it's it's basically a boring, boring version of baseball. >> the only knowledge have of >> the only knowledge i have of cricket reading pg cricket is from reading pg wodehouse cricket. wodehouse novels on cricket. yeah, only connection wodehouse novels on cricket. yeah, with only connection wodehouse novels on cricket. yeah, with it. only connection wodehouse novels on cricket. yeah, with it. andly connection wodehouse novels on cricket. yeah, with it. andlythinkaction wodehouse novels on cricket. yeah, with it. andlythink you n i have with it. and i think you know, lot of writers i have with it. and i think you knovwrite lot of writers i have with it. and i think you knovwrite about.ot of writers i have with it. and i think you knovwrite about cricket. iters i have with it. and i think you knovwrite about cricket. it's; who write about cricket. it's quite a it's sort endemic to quite a it's sort of endemic to the national identity, isn't it? that's the wrong word, by the way. >> no endemic. no it's not. >> no endemic. no it's not. >> it was the wrong word. it was a malapropism. >> is endemic. it could >> well it is endemic. it could be endemic. >> no, that's not what it means. be endemic. >misusedat's not what it means. be endemic. >misusedat's word.�*|at it means. be endemic. >misusedat's word.�*|at ino,aans. i misused the word. no, no, you're misuse. no. you're defending my misuse. no. >> of a particular >> endemic means of a particular area. yeah, exactly. so area. yeah, exactly. yeah so it's to england . it's endemic to england. >> and you, i mean, in america, you cricket in you don't even have cricket in america, do you? >> well, actually, the first international cricket game was was played new york. was it? was played in new york. was it? yeah america and yeah it was between america and some team, between some other team, between the jets sharks. the first jets and the sharks. the first international cricket. so it's been long standing. been it's been long standing. yeah. played cricket back yeah. people played cricket back in day . in the day. >> i know this is just you always like to say that

americans came up with everything first. >> say we came with >> i didn't say we came up with it. we came up with it. i didn't say we came up with it, they were playing it and it, but they were playing it and playing it better. presumably they better. they were playing it better. yeah. i think, mean, yeah. and i think, um, i mean, cricket rich people cricket is a game of rich people and because it had be and farmers because it had to be played in a field over five played in a field over like five days. like it days. so it wasn't like it wasn't the working class game where playing where they're playing in the streets, ball around. where they're playing in the streets, a ball around. where they're playing in the streets, a sports ball around. where they're playing in the streets, a sports fan? around. where they're playing in the streets, a sports fan? iaround. where they're playing in the streets, a sports fan? i likeld. are you a sports fan? i like certain sports. yeah. which ones i like british football . i like. i like british football. i like. i like british football. i think it's the best sport in the world. yeah. soccer? yeah. are it? but are you good at it? uh, no. but do you like to watch it? >> no, that's the thing. i could never get into with sports because you're watching other people's achievements. >> that's makes >> well, that's what makes it good. and their good. but at least. and their achievements. they're achievements. but they're also. i every i remember with every achievement . it achievement is a failure. so it takes mind of louis. takes your mind off of louis. yeah. louis schaefer's personal i understand because the way people teams people describe their teams and they well, at the they say, well, we won at the weekend, this. weekend, we did this. >> yeah. they didn't. >> we did? yeah. they didn't. they're these they're just seeing these strangers game that strangers playing a game that they're involved with, and they're not involved with, and they're not involved with, and they're those people. they're not involved with, and the the those people. they're not involved with, and the the answer; people. they're not involved with, and the the answer to eople. they're not involved with, and the the answer to eople point they're not involved with, and the the answer to eoplepoint is, >> the answer to that point is, i agreed you up until

i agreed with you up until i went to see crystal palace, which is basically team of which is basically my team of choice is that a choice play chelsea. is that a football? football choice play chelsea. is that a footbaland football choice play chelsea. is that a footbaland the football choice play chelsea. is that a footbaland the amountall choice play chelsea. is that a footbaland the amount of energy match. and the amount of energy that the that the fans had to put in to sing these songs, not they didn't love it. it was pure they didn't love it. it was pure the effort to sing these songs is it's similar to what the sport with the ice and the pushing, the pushing of the ice, ice, ice push, no ice pushing , ice, ice push, no ice pushing, uh, where they're pushing the thing. the stone is going down the curling and basically the fans are the equivalent of the brush going across the fans of the brush. >> the brush. we've all it doesn't seem like much , but it is. >> it is very is.— >> it is very crucial. >> it is very crucial. >> well, i think the point of being very rich is to be able to tell people that you are very rich, essentially . rich, essentially. >> yeah, i think it is a display. it's very fashionable these days to look into genetics and ancestry and to picture our ancestors as in a cave or in a field or, you know, hunting and gathering. and we know that some, some part of being human

is acquisition is territorial acquisition. and whether it's land building a castle like this as a display, as well as a defence and money is a defence as well as display. it defence and money is a defence as well as display . it protects as well as display. it protects you from everything in the world as a castle. >> why such huge sums of it? >> why such huge sums of it? >> i don't know, i suppose when you get a huge sum competitive with each other, that's the point. i was going to say you join of club which join a sort of club in which each, uh, you know , people in each, uh, you know, people in the suburbs might say they've got a better lawnmower than i have. i'm going to have to upgrade my lawnmower. i'm going to have to upgrade my strimmer and all the sort of suburban things keeping up with the joneses, we call it. it's a very we've talked about that all our lives. we know it as a phenomenon, but you scale it up. >> wealthy man >> you're a wealthy man spiritually and morally, i would say, but not in terms of money. no not based on what you're paying no not based on what you're paying me for.

>> anything, really. >> anything, really. >> we underpay you. i admit that i >> -- >> okay. yeah, but i thought it was. i thought it was very funny discussion because it's like here the most here the two, two of the most richest in the entertainment richest men in the entertainment business the richest business are the richest people. >> met. >> you've met. >> you've met. >> yeah, they were totally, totally well and they're totally well off. and they're sitting saying, how much sitting there saying, how much money enough? it's like, but money is enough? it's like, but but made an but stephen fry made an interesting point about how, you know, enough. know, it should be enough. >> he almost felt >> he said he almost felt ashamed of the fact he gets ashamed of the fact that he gets to class and all to fly first class and all of that stuff, he still does that stuff, and he still does it. right. it. yeah, right. >> so at least if i think if you're wealthy, you have you're wealthy, but you have a sense shame about it, that's sense of shame about it, that's probably more morally defensible. >> no , it morally it's >> no, no, it is morally it's not morally defensible . it's not morally defensible. it's like trying to justify his own thing at the end of the day, how much is enough? people much money is enough? people don't things for money. they don't do things for money. they know they things. they know they do things. they wake people working. they people who are working. they never working . never stop working. >> but john cleese made an interesting point about the idea that, you know, those multibillionaires they, multibillionaires and they, they, wanting they, they keep wanting more. but satisfied with but why? i'd be satisfied with just i think just what, 1 billion? i think i'd right now. i'd be all right now. >> think so? but not be

>> you think so? but why not be satisfied 2 billion? why satisfied with 2 billion? why not not even not even 1 million? why not even 100,000? why a pack of 100,000? why not even a pack of baseball cards and a mars bar ? baseball cards and a mars bar? why not? you know, be satisfied with that. >> e have nothing. >> yeah, when you have nothing. >> yeah, when you have nothing. >> mean, that's what paid >> i mean, that's what we paid you if, uh, >> i mean, that's what we paid you if, uh, you you for this show. if, uh, you know i don't that's going know what, i don't that's going to have to edit that bit out because. because people are going this, going because. because people are gothink, this, going because. because people are gothink, because going because. because people are gothink, because the going because. because people are gothink, because the nextjoing because. because people are gothink, because the next time to think, because the next time i'm want more money. i'm going to want more money. here's point. i'm going to want more money. herhe's point. i'm going to want more money. herhe's po cheap. >> he's very cheap. >> he's very cheap. >> here the you've taken over >> here is the you've taken over john is is john cleese's role is that is that people who work. yes or workers and the way you keep track of the work is with the money. yeah. some people want a lot, a lot, a lot of money. yeah. and some people just work, you know stephen john you know what, stephen fry, john cleese, deserve of cleese, they deserve a lot of money think all money because think of all they've achieved. >> think of they've no >> think of all they've done. no brilliant >> think of all they've done. no brillian'i think of what they've >> no. i think of what they've done other and they done for other people. and they done for other people. and they do money because people do deserve money because people are a lot of are willing to pay a lot of money see john cleese. are money to see john cleese. are they to pay a lot of to they willing to pay a lot of to money see me? >> you did a show in >> no. you did a show in edinburgh was free, edinburgh and it was free, wasn't i did for many wasn't it? i did shows for many years. the longest running

>> i had the longest running show in london called free until famous and still going, famous and it's still going, yeah, years of .

radio. >> you can look back on your life and say, right, fawlty towers , life of brian, say the towers, life of brian, say the name again . towers, life of brian, say the name again. uh, fish towers, life of brian, say the name again . uh, fish called name again. uh, fish called wanda, uh, and these other brilliant, you know , at least. brilliant, you know, at least. am i right in thinking that you look back? i can't look back on table tennis. i can find anything . no one watches me on anything. no one watches me on youtube. the two clips that are out there smashing against yellow rival . this is not a yellow rival. this is not a legacy . legacy. >> you seem like a mess. yeah, a mess insofar as you're. i don't mean that in a rude way, but you're quite chaotic and you've gotten away with murder, and that's why they've let you produce thing. produce this whole thing. >> you're able to >> that's why you're able to produce this whole thing. yeah. do yourself, do you ever think to yourself, do you ever think to yourself that blessed a that i was blessed with a superior intellect?

>> oh, i'll take that as compliment. >> yeah. i wouldn't describe myself relative to what? myself as relative to what? i don't have a superior intellect. relative to nick dixon. >> mean , nowhere near nick >> i mean, nowhere near nick dixon, mean, dixon, but i mean, like, einstein , and we don't know, einstein, and we don't know, einstein, and we don't know, einstein didn't have an extremely high iq , actually. extremely high iq, actually. really? really. from what they say. he didn't. say. yeah, no he didn't. >> what about, um, matthew said this conversation that john has with matthew said, think with matthew said, i think that's interesting. he talks about country's about becoming the country's best pong player. oh, no, best ping pong player. oh, no, he call it ping he said, don't call it ping pong. table tennis, table tennis player. >> give it a little bit of classiness. >> yeah, but he realised >> yeah, but then he realised when done it that there's when he'd done it that there's no there's no point. well, there's no legacy there. but it's been all this time. feel like that this time. do you feel like that sometimes your career, sometimes with your career, you know, you've spent all know, because you've spent all this cultivating this time cultivating your comedy think comedy career? um, do you think at you're older, at one point when you're older, you'll didn't i, you you'll think, why didn't i, you know, shoemaker? know, become a shoemaker? >> yes. but for a different >> uh, yes. but for a different reason matthew said he was. reason than matthew said he was. he was upset because he had, like, two little bits of video on the internet. i'm afraid i've got too many bits of video. there's a of you out there

there's a lot of you out there on the internet. it would have been ifs on the internet. it would have been it's very been better. it's very incriminating. those incriminating. so some of those websites knows how we're incriminating. so some of those websithere. knows how we're incriminating. so some of those websithere. this knows how we're incriminating. so some of those websithere. this could ns how we're incriminating. so some of those websithere. this could be how we're incriminating. so some of those websithere. this could be this we're doing here. this could be this could i think. could be a royal mess, i think. i think he's i was really impressed by him. he's brilliant, isn't he. yeah. and i even checked to see what street he grew up on. oh he said silverdale road. yeah i went and looked. it was quite a nice , looked. it was quite a nice, nice street. yeah. well you went on google maps and i went on google maps. on google maps and i went on gochu'reaps. on google maps and i went on gochu're creepy aren't you. >> you're creepy aren't you. >> you're creepy aren't you. >> sometimes i because i thought to if someone wanted to to myself if someone wanted to check , you know , check where i lived, you know, what they think of where i what would they think of where i grew nine road, great grew up? nine essex road, great neck, new york. there we go . neck, new york. there we go. >> well, let me ask you. you interviewed saddam hussein . interviewed saddam hussein. what's that like ? what's that like? >> yeah . so adam hussein, um , >> yeah. so adam hussein, um, was, um, a fascinating interview in the fact that, um, he had not done many and i think it was the only one that he did for a british tv. >> so i had the weight of

expectation on me that i was the only one who was going to be able to, to to, see him. so i was terrified . um, he had was terrified. um, he had a pretty awful reputation . um, pretty awful reputation. um, somebody told me, in fact, that there was one meeting at which some minister began to voice a disagreement about something with him. saddam hussein took the minister out, shot him , the minister out, shot him, continued, and continued the meeting as though nothing had happened. and and so i was i was terrified about about doing this. but but you weren't physically frightened. >> no. >> no. >> you had to. you had to. you know, my man up and what was the fear? >> was it just being with someone who was so ruthless? i thought that i would say something , um, which he would something, um, which he would not like. >> and he would say, i did not like this. and it would get a

little awkward . nothing like little awkward. nothing like that happened . that happened. >> you have a personal connection with trevor mcdonald? >> yes, i know him because he came and saw me perform when i performed at the arts theatre in, uh . was this one your performed at the arts theatre in, uanecdotesis one your performed at the arts theatre in, uanecdotesis (one your performed at the arts theatre in, uanecdotesis (one oflour performed at the arts theatre in, uanecdotesis (one of your true anecdotes or one of your made up anecdotes? >> true, because every >> it's 100% true, because every time some famous person dies, you a post your facebook you put a post on your facebook page that you knew them page saying that you knew them well you really close well and you were really close and never true. and that's never true. >> hasn't died yet. no, >> well, he hasn't died yet. no, it so he actually came it is true. so he actually came along to watch you. >> well, at the arts. he saw your in a magazine and your name in a magazine and thought, see louis schaefer. >> well, he came to reg >> well, he came to see reg hunter. reginald d hunter. >> reginald >> you were supporting reginald and hunter. >> you were supporting reginald anc reginald hunter. >> you were supporting reginald ancreginald d hunter. hunter. >> you were supporting reginald ancreginald d hunter. and|ter. >> you were supporting reginald ancreginald d hunter. and|t(met him. >> and did he enjoy your set? >> and did he enjoy your set? >> he didn't even see the set. hello. he waived. hello. he was waived. >> that's what say >> well, that's what people say when they don't want to comment on the content. >> wasn't that probably. >> it wasn't that probably. i probably but probably wasn't that good. but he was so excited to he was reg was so excited to meet him. yeah. and um, and i think he's a beloved character here in this country. >> yeah. because he's of that

veteran news caster school. you know, that old school , like, know, that old school, like, he's seen so much. he's been everywhere . everywhere. >> and he was beloved years ago , >> and he was beloved years ago, a very good at his job. >> that was the thing. yeah. you know, and it can't be easy doing that sort thing. sort of that sort of thing. it's sort of what but not on the same what i do, but not on the same scale. you know, it is what do. >> and i don't know what he does. know what you do and does. i know what you do and what you do. you do incredibly well. >> that's very kind of you. so yeah. >> so don't don't think that he's any better than you are . he's any better than you are. >> i think he is a lot better than me. >> the fame can go up and down, whatever. but you get to keep the stories. ah, so that's it. so, martin, um , was out one so, martin, um, was out one night and he was talking about acting, and he said , hey. and he acting, and he said, hey. and he was an acting teacher. in 1961, he said, the thing about acting, he said, the thing about acting, he said, the thing about acting, he said, you have to find it, express it, and suppress it . you express it, and suppress it. you can't tell people nakedly what you want. it has to be the filtered. and maybe once in a film you could do this. and i

found fascinating . so i wrote it found fascinating. so i wrote it down. the next morning comes into the we're both hungover, he comes into the makeup trailer, says, what did i say to you last night? it was the actual perfect summation of acting i've ever heard. you know, of course i've ever says. he ever heard, he says. and he said, and i still had the beer card, i said, find it. card, and i said, find it. express it, suppress it. he said, oh, thought was said, oh, i thought it was better . better than that. >> because he was the guy. martin landau, north by northwest star on the hand of cary grant, cary grant. >> so rob schneider, big name has been in a lot of major, major films . major films. >> i first saw him in deuce bigalow male gigolo, right. is that a film you've seen? >> no . and i'm a little bit too >> no. and i'm a little bit too to old remember rob schneider , to old remember rob schneider, because he came in in the late 19805, because he came in in the late 1980s, but he was in saturday night live and all of those sort of things. >> i stopped watching saturday. >> i stopped watching saturday. >> i stopped watching saturday. >> i watched the first five years of then i stopped years of it, and then i stopped watching it. >> you do any >> did you do you do any research guests? >> did you do you do any res(no,1 guests? >> did you do you do any res(no, i guests? >> did you do you do any res(no, i didn't guests? >> did you do you do any res(no, i didn't do uests? >> did you do you do any res(no, i didn't do any s? >> did you do you do any res(no, i didn't do any research >> no, i didn't do any research

into why should i do into the guests. why should i do any i knew my role. any research? i knew my role. the amount of money you're paying the amount of money you're paying paid me. and paying me, you paid me. and paying paying me, you paid me. and paying you say. paying me. you didn't say. >> interest >> showing more of an interest in your work? >> no, didn't what >> no, i didn't know what i was going be doing. >> no, i didn't know what i was goiidrinks.3 doing. >> no, i didn't know what i was goiidrinks. because otherwise >> drinks. because otherwise you're just the you're like, just one of the cats on doing. you're just cats on set doing. you're just roaming around. >> did to the >> well, did did i speak to the guy? did you let me talk to the guys? >> yeah. yeah. >> yeah. yeah. >> well, did did you let me you cut interaction i had cut the one interaction i had with schneider. with rob schneider. >> problem that when you >> the problem is that when you are when you talk to are allowed, when you talk to the makes us look bad. >> yeah. how does it make you look? >> because you will doubtless say and say something offensive and then i'm have apologise i'm going to have to apologise for you. even have code i'm going to have to apologise for yo don't even have code i'm going to have to apologise for yo don't we?1 have code i'm going to have to apologise for yo don't we? whenever»de i'm going to have to apologise for yo don't we? whenever you say word, don't we? whenever you say something too far, something that goes too far, what's the code word? cabbage. cabbage. know fact cabbage. so so you know the fact that say cabbage on set that i had to say cabbage on set a number should tell a number of times should tell you something but you something because. but that's our safe word. >> key thing >> but that. but the key thing is, you know, you're hitting greatness when you cross the line ever slightly. line ever so slightly. >> you lot. >> what you do a lot. >> what you do a lot. >> think i'm >> yeah. i don't think i'm crossing the line. i mean, you're different of you're a very different kind of entertainer than rob schneider, though, a of though, because, rob, a lot of rob's films um, knockabout rob's films are, um, knockabout

anarchy, they're anarchy, like, uh, they're really funny. >> yeah. yours yours. we haven't made you are in films, so i can't rob , can you help me? can't rob, can you help me? >> yes, sir. »- >> yes, sir. >> can you take me back to america with you ? oh, yeah. america with you? oh, yeah. >> well, i see i don't know if you can fit in my bag, but. well i see what i can do. what is going on? >> no . >> no. >> no. >> it's okay. i just wanted to see if rob wanted something else to drink. >> but you're a very different type of comedian than rob schneider. is funny . schneider. because rob is funny. that's it. do you know what i mean? like just poles apart. >> we are poles apart. he is. mean? like just poles apart. >> we are poles apart. he is . he >> we are poles apart. he is. he is a real comedian and he tells jokes. he was. he was amazing. when we had dinner with him before the show. yes. and him , before the show. yes. and him, he just regaled us. he's one of those wrigglers. one of those naturally funny. i don't remember any interactions that i have. i'm not going to remember us i don't us being together. i don't remember with john cleese. remember being with john cleese. this is the worst thing me, this is the worst thing for me,

not not an i not an anecdote. i'm not an i don't about things that don't care about things that happen he happen to me. but rob, he remembers, he remembers, and robert me this robert de niro told me this story great. and he's a really good stand—up and he's for many times he's really, really good. he is a really good stand—up. and he's real. he is a really good stand—up. anchu s real. he is a really good stand—up. anchu should. he is a really good stand—up. anchu should come to the uk >> you should come to the uk more often. because i think more often. no because i think no. think lot american no. i think a lot of american humour doesn't translate, i humour doesn't translate, but i think does . think his really does. >> can perform >> the real ones can perform for anybody, time . but anybody, anywhere, any time. but l, anybody, anywhere, any time. but i, i'm, i'm generally. how do you pronounce that susan i think i think you're doing well. >> yeah. i think just how you're doing it is fine. >> i'm, i am i'm about as comfortable in the back. i'm. i'm only comfortable. i'm like a pastrami sandwich. i'm only comfortable in the back seat of a taxi i'm comfortable . i a taxi. i'm not comfortable. i don't know what that means. >> i don't know what it means ehhen >> i don't know what it means either. it's interesting talking to an american coming either. it's interesting talking to uk| american coming either. it's interesting talking to uk .american coming either. it's interesting talking to uk . yeah,:an coming either. it's interesting talking to uk . yeah, there coming either. it's interesting talking to uk . yeah, there is coming to the uk. yeah, there is a difference with american humour and british humour, but you've experienced you experienced both because you were comedy were on the new york comedy scene. yeah. then you came to the uk for and some reason you

stayed for some reason i stayed. >> wanted to my children . >> i wanted to see my children. >> i wanted to see my children. >> oh, because of family. >> oh, it was because of family. >> oh, it was because of family. >> . i mean, would have >> yeah. i mean, i would have gone didn't gone home if i didn't have any children they children because i was, they liked little bit liked me initially a little bit and then turned on me. liked me initially a little bit ancwell, turned on me. liked me initially a little bit ancwell, the turned on me. liked me initially a little bit ancwell, the children on me. liked me initially a little bit ancwell, the children or me. liked me initially a little bit ancwell, the children or the >> well, the children or the audiences, everybody. everybody, everybody. >> this is this is, uh, british people they're people think they're the funniest earth, and funniest people on earth, and you're you're as you're not you're not funny. as you're not you're not funny. as you he's not funny. you can tell, he's not funny. trying funny. i'm not trying to be funny. i'm not trying are. trying to be funny. you are. you're trying to be funny. you could see. here's here's. sorry about andrew. that's all about this, andrew. that's all right. that i think right. is that. is that i think with american eyes, we americans like to be loved . is that right? like to be loved. is that right? and english people don't want to be loved. >> you know what? that is true. >> you know what? that is true. >> i noticed that with american comedians, there's a lot more sense like, like you sense of, like, me, like me, you know, they're a lot more know, like they're a lot more bubbly. whereas a lot of british comedians almost standoffish comedians are almost standoffish . yeah, it's like i was . yeah, it's almost like i was thinking laughing at them. thinking for laughing at them. i was thinking of was thinking more of the audience. was thinking more of the aucisnce. the audience in this >> is that the audience in this country, the country, if you tell the audience, i love audience, oh my god, i love england. a great country. england. what a great country. your your great people, your castles, your great people, you're spiritual.

your castles, your great people, you're so spiritual. your castles, your great people, you're so much spiritual. your castles, your great people, you're so much more.spiritual. you're so much more. >> audiences don't it, >> the audiences don't like it, but to america and you but if you go to america and you say, , you know, you say, america, you know, you people i've people are. well, look, i've performed america. much, performed in america. not much, just times. yeah, the just a few times. yeah, the audiences are very, uh. how would a vocal? very would you put it a vocal? very i mean, they cheer at anything and they laugh at anything. >> yeah, because they paid money. they want to enjoy themselves. people. capitalist. >> what it is. capitalist. >> it's. what it is. capitalist. >> it's. viyou it is. i don't >> it's. it's you pay. i don't know, not the right word. know, that's not the right word. no it's not capitalist. you pay money, get your money, you're going to get your money's americans money's worth. americans are going money's worth. i love that >> i love that you can psychoanalyse an entire nation. >> thought it. i've been >> i thought about it. i've been here 23 years already. i've here for 23 years already. i've had too you people.

>> are assign it later. >> are assign it later. >> thank you . i got into >> thank you. i got into cambridge without having any idea that i was the slightest bit creative. i've created a city which just means knowing

how to come up with a better idea . was never mentioned at my idea. was never mentioned at my school. but then i joined the cambridge footlights and i found that i could write something on a blank sheet of paper, which would make people laugh. and then i discovered something else. if i wrote a sketch in the evening but got stuck and went to bed when i got up in the morning and sat down at my desk, i saw the solution almost straight away. and this happened so often . i slowly realised that so often. i slowly realised that my brain must have been working on the problem while i was asleep , and that's when i asleep, and that's when i decided to try to understand what creativity is all about . what creativity is all about. >> it's interesting watching john talk about creativity in this analytical way. you know, because normally think of because you normally think of creativity in the abstract and but sort of working but actually sort of working it out it works and how the out and how it works and how the human and this idea human brain and this idea that anyone creative, you anyone can be creative, you know, like know, because like traditionally, people have said, you there are creative you know, there are creative people, creative people, innately creative people. saying, no , people. and he's saying, no, everyone be. actually,

everyone can be. and actually, it's important for it's really important for everyone creative no everyone to be creative no matter you do for living. matter what you do for a living. >> think think he's right. >> i think i think he's right. everybody could be creative, but most to be most people don't need to be super because they go super creative because they go to a job. got to follow the to a job. they got to follow the rules. we don't need people to be creative. we need be mad. no it end up in a job >> when you end up in a job where you don't a room for where you don't have a room for creativity, that's of creativity, that's kind of it's so idea of everyone's a >> the idea of everyone's a comedian. everyone's got some art i remember in art things. i remember i was in la, i living in la for la, i was living in la for a year and, and the guy who year and, and i met the guy who was of playboy magazine, was head of playboy magazine, hugh playgirl hugh hefner. no playgirl magazine. version , magazine. the cheaper version, the cheaper the cheaper the cheaper one, the cheaper version and he was kept on telling me about how he's written a screenplay . he's like written a screenplay. he's like a multi—millionaire. written a screenplay. he's like a multi—millionaire . nana hugh a multi—millionaire. nana hugh hefner the other guy. hefner was the other guy. multi—millionaire and he wasn't happy it. i don't think happy with it. i don't think people need creativity in general. i think. i think they do. >> we're just robots. if we don't have any creativity. >> well, back in the day, what did used to do? they did they used to do? they used to take a little bit of wood and they used to carve a thing. and everybody carved a little everybody little carved a little something funny, an icon or

something. everyone something. so everyone used to do better. yeah they did, everybody slightly everybody did something slightly creative. my grandmother used to crochet things . yeah. you know, crochet things. yeah. you know, my father used lay down my father used to lay down railroad a train set railroad tracks in a train set in a creative way. but but the idea that you can't get any joy out of not being creative , not out of not being creative, not not being creative in an artistic. maybe you're talking about artistic way. >> what does creativity mean to you? >> well, here's the problem. the problem is i don't think about creativity that much. and when i listen to john, who's a great creative mind, talking other creative mind, talking to other people creativity in people about creativity in different ways, that's because you're innately creative and you don't like to think about it. >> don't need to analyse it . >> you don't need to analyse it. >> you don't need to analyse it. >> think i'm creative. >> i don't think i'm creative. i think i am chaotic and we just accept the chaos and the chaos. >> so i create creative as a sort of euphemism forjust sort of euphemism for just anarchic . anarchic. >> you put on shows, i put on shows, you go to edinburgh and you know, you have a problem in your life. what do you do? your solution to that is to write a comedy show about that, put it on. that's a creative form of

self therapy. >> that's not what i do. >> but that's not what i do. it's exactly what you know. what it's exactly what you know. what i is i with you right now i do is i do with you right now is sitting here talking is we're sitting here talking about something's about this, and if something's funny, down it funny, i might write down it later repeat it. so i don't later and repeat it. so i don't think that way. john cleese and these people sit down these other people sit down and think oh, would a think, oh, this would make a nice painting. clear that nice painting. it's clear that it is kind of vocation that i it is a kind of vocation that i don't could do don't think you could do anything because anything else, not because you're incompetent. >> although an element >> although there is an element of that you you of that, but more that you you know, need a comedian . know, you need to be a comedian. you a performer. you need to be a performer. something you know, you need to be a performer. sc screaming you know, you need to be a performer. scscreaming out you know, you need to be a performer. scscreaming out for you know, you need to be a performer. sc screaming out for attention. ow, is screaming out for attention. no no, i could do lots of things i've done other things and i've done other things well. >> i sold advertising space. i was an estate agent. were you? yeah, lots of other yeah, i did lots of other things. this. this? yeah, yeah, i did lots of other thinyou this. this? yeah, yeah, i did lots of other thinyou didn't;. this? yeah, yeah, i did lots of other thinyou didn't endis? yeah, yeah, i did lots of other thinyou didn't end up yeah, yeah, i did lots of other thinyou didn't end up doing that. >> you didn't end up as an estate? >> no, because my father left me some didn't need to. some money and i didn't need to. it's. interesting it's. it's so interesting because i. it really it just it bothers me thinking about it because it. that because i don't do it. that i should what that is. should should do what that is. i should read bloom's book. i should read. >> yeah, you know, i should learn. >> i should sit down at a desk

and write out jokes. i can't do that. like. like you say my show. what? what is my show? my show. what? what is my show? my show you do your show so show is i. you do your show so many times. yeah that eventually you say the same things over and over again . people laugh and over again. people laugh and you, you don't realise that is a kind of crafting of itself. >> it is a craft . >> it is a craft. >> it is a craft. but >> it is a craft. but it's >> it is a craft. but it's not like sitting down and thinking, oh, what are they going to find funny? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> okay, so i thought it would be fun if asked helen some be fun if i asked helen some questions christiane anti, questions about christiane anti, which kind of very, very which are kind of very, very simple. but i think that there are things that people don't know. i mean, for a start , what know. i mean, for a start, what evidence is there for crime its existence. other than what's in the bible . the bible. >> there's actually really good evidence that he existed . and, evidence that he existed. and, um, it's not from absolutely the same time, but from about sort of 60 years later, there's a jewish history called josephus , jewish history called josephus, and he writes about jesus . the

and he writes about jesus. the passage has been edited by christians. so we have to be a little bit careful about it. but we're pretty sure that he did write something about jesus. what did you think? it was interesting hearing john cleese talk bond . talk to helen bond. >> yeah, about christianity and about about the origins of it. and about the life of jesus. well, i didn't realise is, was that there's a lot evidence that there's a lot of evidence that there's a lot of evidence that jesus did actually exist as a figure. not a historical figure. so it's not just stories and just all about the stories and about the parables and about the you and about what the you know, and about what the meaning of the gospels. it's about him as human being in history. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> but how important is that? and most important thing is what people believe now. people believe in right now. i know about that. i studied know all about that. i studied that when i was uni. did you? that when i was at uni. did you? well before uni i studied well even before uni i studied that with the, people that with with the, with people and about josephus and i and i knew about josephus and i knew jewish historian. >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> so i knew i knew all about this thing, and knew that this thing, and i knew that there evidence real there was evidence of a real jesus, also there were jesus, but also there were probably many people like jesus who didn't quite hit the heights

that jesus s hit, didn't have the people to follow him. >> it's good for john cleese to be doing a show about religion because he got in so much trouble doing life of brian. >> everywhere the buddhism spreads, adopts the gods of spreads, it adopts the gods of the area. so when it's spread to the area. so when it's spread to the west, a lot of people were atheist . so no gods for west the west, a lot of people were atheist. so no gods for west and buddhism. but for example , in buddhism. but for example, in sri lanka, where venerable is from there you have a whole range of gods that are useful for things that are part of ordinary life. >> i like the idea of lots of gods. i mean, it's not something that i've ever sort of subscribed to, but i like the whole sort of like ancient rome and greece and the and ancient greece and the multiplicity god for multiplicity of gods. a god for everything, everything that everything, for everything that you because more everything, for everything that youbecause more believable >> because it's more believable in because god is busy i >> -- >> if there would be the 15 of them, they could divide up the powers. >> it would make more sense. wouldn't it? do you believe in god? i believe in a certain type of god. >> p in. >> it's a god in.— >> it's a god of in. >> it's a god of who punishes us as a way of teaching his teaching. like an old

teaching. something like an old testament god. >> yes. yeah. you like the fire and brimstone? >> yes. yeah. you like the fire anc no mstone? >> yes. yeah. you like the fire anc no .1stone? >> no. >> no. >> i'm a more personal thing. >> i'm on a more personal thing. i tell you what i believe, which is . i believe god doesn't is genius. i believe god doesn't have people's have time to reward people's good right? only good behaviour, right? he only has reward bad has time to reward bad behaviour. to punish bad behaviour. not to punish bad behaves, behaviour . behaves, punish bad behaviour. >> bad people get away >> so why do bad people get away with they. with so much then they. >> don't get away like like >> they don't get away like like jordan peterson says, they don't get away with it. >> no, no. bad people get punished the end and like. punished in the end and like. and what happens is, is that we when we the, the biggest mistake we make is by taking something for granted. yes and when we take things for granted, we get punished by not doing a good job. like me today, i didn't really prepare for this. i can tell . okay, so god is really prepare for this. i can tell. okay, so god is punishing me by making me seem like incompetent in this discussion. >> you're doing that yourself? >> you're doing that yourself? >> yes. >> yes. >> that's not god . >> that's not god. >> that's not god. >> no , he could he could >> no, he could he could intercede. he could say, you know, we like lewis, so we're going to make him seem like he's

really super funny and intelligent. but he doesn't that. >> he doesn't that . >> he doesn't do that. >> he doesn't do that. >> what what you must ask >> what is what you must ask yourself it is have yourself what it is you have done to his wrath . done to incur his wrath. >> know what i've done. >> no, i know what i've done. i have not prepared nor taken this as should. as seriously as i should. and now like panicking. as seriously as i should. and novi like panicking. as seriously as i should. and novi it like panicking. as seriously as i should. and novi it wase panicking. as seriously as i should. and novi it was good,cking. as seriously as i should. and novi it was good, wasn't it? >> i it was good, wasn't it? >> i it was good, wasn't it? >> it fun to work on. >> it was fun to work on. >> it was fun to work on. >> honestly, i was really impressed i really impressed. i was really impressed. i was really impressed. it one of the impressed. and it was one of the best and possibly the best things. and possibly the last ever done . last thing i've ever done. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers spot of weather up. boxt boilers spot of weather on gb news is . on gb news is. >> hello there! i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather. it's going to stay unsettled through the festive period, though it will turn calmer and drier as we move into boxing day. low pressure currently dominating the weather pattern, bringing further rain for many through christmas day, but a brief respite and that ridge of high pressure bringing dry, sunny

weather for many on boxing day this evening, a mixed picture out there. outbreaks of rain across southern counties of england and wales. showery rain as northern as well northern ireland, northern between , northern england in between, clearer under the clearer clearer spells under the clearer skies of scotland turning chilly tonight, frost ice tonight, some frost and ice elsewhere generally staying mild. and those winds just easing after what has been a very blustery and mild christmas eve. christmas day gets off to a bright start. a chilly start across northeast scotland. elsewhere generally quite cloudy and this out area of outbreaks of rain pushes north and eastwards across england and wales the day, turning wales through the day, turning heavy rain bumping heavy at times. rain bumping into will turn to snow into scotland will turn to snow over ground above over the higher ground above about 200m 5 to 10cm is possible, giving a white christmas here. but elsewhere wet christmas, mild as well and breezy temperatures in double figures after a cold start . figures after a cold start. boxing day morning. it's looking much drier and brighter. plenty of sunny spells to come, but signs of the next weather system starting to move in across devon and cornwall, bringing outbreaks of rain here and temperatures a

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headunes. up next. but first your news headlines . police are urging headlines. police are urging drivers to take extra care on the roads following a number of collisions in the past 24 hours in northumbria . there's an in northumbria. there's an appeal for witnesses after two teenagers were killed in a crash in cramlington and a 35 year old man has been arrested in oldham in greater manchester, after a 42 year old woman and her 15 year old son died . in another year old son died. in another incident. millions of motorists have been on the roads this weekend and with the met office warning of the risk of flying debns warning of the risk of flying debris and power cuts as wind gusts get up to 70 miles an hour in parts of scotland and northern england, many rail passengers have also faced deaung passengers have also faced dealing with delays and cancellations due to engineering works . the number of people works. the number of people shopping this christmas eve is down by 20.6% when compared to last year . that's according to last year. that's according to the latest data analysis . the latest data analysis. experts are saying that the cost of living crisis and sunday trading hours are to blame for the fall. high streets saw the biggest decline. that's down 14.8. however, retail parks

actually saw an increase in shoppers, up 6.7. tomorrow is set to be the warmest christmas day in more than a century, with the met office saying that temperatures will reach 14 or even 15 degrees. that's after 15.3 celsius recorded at heathrow in middlesex today, making it the warmest christmas eve in over 20 years. it means a white christmas has been ruled out for most of the country , out for most of the country, apart from northern scotland , apart from northern scotland, ineos chairman sir jim ratcliffe is vowing to return man united to the very top of the english, european and world football after agreeing a deal to buy 25% of the club. the billionaire, who's a lifelong supporter of the team, says he's pleased that a deal has been done and hopes to unlock the club's full potential. the move will see around £236 million pumped into man united . the deal also man united. the deal also includes responsibility for the