let's do this. and thank you for joining us. please let us know how you've been celebrating your christmas so far. and do you think we lost the magic of these special days.7 and how are we going to get them back? me now back? email me now gbviews@gbnews.com. see you after the headlines . after the headlines. >> just got josh good evening i'm ray anderson in the gb news room. our top stories. the king has thanked the nation's volunteers in his christmas address, describing them as a selfless army . his majesty said selfless army. his majesty said they are the essential backbone of our society . he thanked the of our society. he thanked the hundreds of volunteers who attended his coronation in westminster abbey earlier on this year, and said that their presence was a call to all of us to love and care for all on this christmas day . christmas day. >> my heart and my thanks go to all who are serving one another.

all who are caring for our common home and all. all who see and seek the good of others. not least the friend we do not yet know in this way we bring out the best in ourselves . the best in ourselves. >> pope francis has described the children caught up in conflicts across the globe as the little jesuses of today, as he condemned the ongoing war in gaza , delivering his annual gaza, delivering his annual christmas day address from saint peter's balcony in the vatican, he described the attack on israel by hamas in october as abominable . israel by hamas in october as abominable. but he israel by hamas in october as abominable . but he also said abominable. but he also said that ongoing strikes on gaza by israel were reaping an appalling harvest of innocent people . harvest of innocent people. well, the pope's message comes after one of the deadliest nights of violence in gaza, with at least 100 people killed by airstrikes. israel's army says it's investigating one attack after claims from the hamas backed health ministry there that many of those killed were

women and children. the palestinian red crescent says that bombings of major roads is also complicating efforts to help critically wounded people , help critically wounded people, while fire crews were called to the office of a conservative mp last night after a suspected arson attack , police are arson attack, police are investigating after mike fryer's office in north london was partially damaged by the blaze . partially damaged by the blaze. mr fryer told gb news that the response from emergency services was fast and excellent and luckily no one was in the building at the time. luckily no one was in the building at the time . a 16 year building at the time. a 16 year old boy has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a woman was stabbed in south london. officers were called to a home in bermondsey just after 10:00 on christmas eve. they treated a 22 year old for stab wounds, but she died at the scene . gb news understands that scene. gb news understands that the boy was known to the victim . the boy was known to the victim. he remains in custody and thousands of people across the country made the most of today's

unseasonably mild weather by taking a festive dip this morning . swimmers in birmingham morning. swimmers in birmingham braved the waters in hats and costumes at sutton park's blackroot pool. meanwhile, members of the serpentine swimming club took part in their annual peter pan cup in hyde park. the race has been held every year . park. the race has been held every year. since park. the race has been held every year . since 1864. on tv, every year. since 1864. on tv, online, on dab+ radio and on tune in to. this is gb news. now let's get straight back to josh . let's get straight back to josh. >> i recently watched an old interview of jemmy stewart and he was talking about it's a wonderful life. the seminal christmas movie after die hard, of course, and he made the point that when it comes down to it, films are made up of moments to

which i'd say life is pretty similar. but whereas films are moments strung together by exposition or being chased through ventilator shafts, life tends to be moments strung together by admin. except i don't know about you, but for a while now it feels like the admin is winning those special moments just keep getting further and further apart. the last few years have been tough for many, but for everyone there's been a relentless acceleration in meetings and emails and bills and broken boilers and worn out car brakes or whatever spanners are thrown your way more and more of our time ends up being spent doing admin just to be able to do the regular admin. not today though, right ? christmas day is meant to right? christmas day is meant to be the exception. one big long 24 hour moment. no admin. be the exception. one big long 24 hour moment. no admin . and 24 hour moment. no admin. and how's that working out for you ? how's that working out for you? these last couple of weeks i've been concerned that the magic of christmas has, in some way diminished. now, this may purely be a personal observation . it

be a personal observation. it might be because i'm getting older , more cynical. it might be older, more cynical. it might be the shopping and stress the endless shopping and stress to sure all the kids woke to make sure all the kids woke up morning. but the up happy this morning. but the closer got to today, the more closer i got to today, the more worried i became that it would end up just being another day . end up just being another day. sure, gone up in sure, the lights had gone up in the christmas songs the high street, christmas songs played on the radio, but were they moments or were they just us as a country going through the motions, going through the admin of christmas ? even though admin of christmas? even though i'm jewish, when i was a kid we did christmas presents and lunch. we all got together. we pulled crackers, the day stood out. it was a moment. now you've all made it to this evening and hopefully with everyone in your family still speaking, but i just to check . did you get just want to check. did you get any moments? you know, maybe you've been flat out the whole day up late last night wrapping presents, woken early to see what santa had dropped off the rest of the morning spent putting and more putting in batteries and more likely now signing up to games accounts. then cooking and cleaning preparation for cleaning and preparation for visitors then cleaning or

visitors, then more cleaning or maybe you're not as blessed. maybe you work today helping to keep the gears of the country in motion so that the majority could rest. but maybe you're still working, listening to us now on the radio and for different reasons. maybe you didn't get to the share the day with your loved ones. maybe they live in another country. maybe they're with us now. they're no longer with us now. i really hope you did get a moment today, but if not, i just want today, but if not, i just want to say the day is not over. it's still christmas. it's a special day, a time for reflection and giving a day for the nation to come together and step away from the admin for whatever reason, for the next two hours, you and i and our panellists and guests are here together. so let's make it a moment . what do you think, it a moment. what do you think, guys?i it a moment. what do you think, guys? i know , sorry, we just guys? i know, sorry, we just have. we couldn't cut to them because they're crying . they because they're crying. they were so emotional and overtaken with there. how are with christmas there. how are you? thank you so much . with christmas there. how are you? thank you so much. i'm going to introduce you. well, first we have broadcaster and tv

personality ingrid tarrant. hello, are hello, ingrid. hello. how are you ? merry christmas to you. you? merry christmas to you. >> to have trade unions. >> mcdonald . hello. hello, >> andy mcdonald. hello. hello, hello. looking appropriately sombre unionist. sombre for a trade unionist. they're you've got they're very good. you've got the beard and everything. and we have a political commentator, chloe dobbs. have a political commentator, chl hello. bs. christmas everyone. >> christmas. now guys, we >> merry christmas. now guys, we have crackers here. we have have some crackers here. we have bucks fizz . i haven't seen any bucks fizz. i haven't seen any bucks fizz. i haven't seen any bucks fizz. i haven't seen any bucks fizz for at least 20 years. maybe that's what's missing . missing. >> but remember, harvey wallbangers i do. >> i've got a hangover >> i've still got a hangover from it. uh, how is your christmas been? >> been. i have to say, >> it's been. i have to say, it's been absolutely wonderful. i christmas eve i celebrate christmas eve because i'm not actually english. i'm a mix. oh. half norwegian quarter, french quarter, german and it's celebrated on the 24th. like the royal family, actually. oh, really? >> so there you go. yeah. is that why you do it as well? you're like, oh yes, yes. >> but i do also celebrate christmas day in the traditional engush christmas day in the traditional english day with with the english day with the with the turkey. the big, big turkey. but the big, big occasion christmas occasion is the 24th christmas eve. sure >> and andy, have you been celebrating christmas day?

you've been with family? >> no. no, i've been pretty >> oh, no. no, i've been pretty much own. much on my own. >> for i went for a run >> i went for i went for a run around park this around regent's park this morning, with the morning, though, with the christmas group, which was, uh, good that's good fun. but um, andy, that's the thing i've eve r. >> even >> no, it's been dog. yeah. my dog, it's been it's been very chill. >> in fairness. you know, me and bailey have been hanging out and, uh. it's been a nice and, uh. yeah, it's been a nice one, though. and, uh. yeah, it's been a nice onethat'sjh. and, uh. yeah, it's been a nice onethat's a. and, uh. yeah, it's been a nice onethat's a very nice day. >> that's a very nice day. chloe. what about yourself? >> haven't slowed >> you probably haven't slowed down much as as would down as much as as you would normally. much as you normally. yeah, as much as you would to slow down would like people to slow down on getting up on christmas, i love getting up and active on christmas, and getting active on christmas, and getting active on christmas, and i find there are some thrill in exercising when you know everyone slacking day everyone is slacking on that day and bed. everyone is slacking on that day and bed i everyone is slacking on that day and bed. i was up at and laying in bed. i was up at 520 morning and then 520 this morning and then christmas park run. christmas day park run. absolutely wicked. everyone running santa running around in their santa outfits. we even had marshalls playing tunes their playing christmas tunes on their trumpets as you were running around the corner. then christmas ing, but christmas day kayak ing, but followed by a lot of food. i did eat okay, cos you're making eat back okay, cos you're making calories. eat back okay, cos you're making caloriesfeel very bad at the two >> me feel very bad at the two of look at these guys. of you. look at these guys. they're at the and they're up at the door and they're going for a run, exhausted.

>> just listening to this. oh my gosh. >> wow. >> wow. >> that's very good. i also i did manage to survive drive through my christmas dinner with a without it leading a socialist without it leading to political warfare. okay, that's so is that's pretty good. so that is my win. okay. >> that's so do you think >> that's it. so do you think that today is a day of peace to all mankind and womankind? that today is a day of peace to all yeah,ind and womankind? that today is a day of peace to all yeah, it'sand womankind? that today is a day of peace to all yeah, it's a d womankind? that today is a day of peace to all yeah, it's a successfulnd? that today is a day of peace to all yeah, it's a successful day. >> yeah, it's a successful day. normally at the christmas normally i find at the christmas dinner if we say at dinner table, even if we say at the no politics the start. right. no politics at the start. right. no politics at the christmas table after the christmas dinner table after some have a few drinks, some people have a few drinks, it ends up it ends up in complete warfare by the end of it. so i've survived today without without without any without an. >> think you've missed out. >> i think you've missed out. >> i think you've missed out. >> so that's a win. >> so that's a win. >> well, i do want to say you're here there's possibility here now. there's a possibility we could have been saving it for the. >> yeah, exactly. i think you've slightly missed out, though, because going because there's always going to because there's always going to be little a little bit be a little bit of a little bit of an argument, you think? of an argument, don't you think? it's not it's traditional. it's not right. if you haven't got an argument i don't like argument that i don't like arguing perfect. no, no, arguing to be perfect. no, no, but just happens. it's but it just happens. but it's one things. one of those things. >> yeah, if there >> yeah, exactly. if there hasn't some sort of family, hasn't been some sort of family, uh, or something uh, interloper or something mental that's come up, it's like, is it christmas? if it

wasn't shouting match at wasn't a big shouting match at some do you? i mean, how some point, do you? i mean, how do feel? do you think do you guys feel? do you think christmas changed? you christmas has changed? do you think the emphasis on christmas has this country has changed in this country at all? you're sort all? i mean, andy, you're sort of there. of nodding there. >> think honestly, post—covid >> i think honestly, post—covid kind because, know, kind of because, you know, dunng kind of because, you know, during covid lockdowns, during the covid lockdowns, a lot of people cooped up with their they were all their families, they were all together long together for you know, a long penod together for you know, a long period and i think that period of time. and i think that kind everyone comes kind of special everyone comes together it's that together at christmas. it's that almost exclusive part, apart from where all from maybe birthdays, where all the table the family is around the table enjoying themselves for a couple of days, maybe a couple of weeks. know, think that's weeks. you know, i think that's kind lost over covid. kind of been lost over covid. >> because all sick of >> and because we're all sick of each basically. each other basically. >> i think yeah. and >> yeah, i think so. yeah. and even looking you know, kind even looking at, you know, kind of shops and going shopping for presents, everything's done onune presents, everything's done online some online now and we've lost some of of the stuff that of that. some of the stuff that i grew up with, i'm i certainly grew up with, i'm sure did well. i mean, sure chloe did as well. i mean, going to the shops and going going out to the shops and going with and your with your parents and your siblings, all that. now siblings, doing all that. now you sit on your laptop and you just sit on your laptop and you just sit on your laptop and you just sit on your laptop and you just go amazon it's you just go on amazon and it's quite impersonal. you just go on amazon and it's qui'i�* impersonal. you just go on amazon and it's qui'i loveersonal. you just go on amazon and it's qui'i love amazon, it's so >> i love amazon, it's so i know, convenient, but it's impersonal for us. adhd like

that. think about ordering that. don't think about ordering presents before. presents until the day before. amazon is an adhd as best friend. is a bit friend. well, yeah, it is a bit of godsend i have to say, but of a godsend i have to say, but i think it's impersonal, isn't it? >> it's too easy. i think part of the process is i know you shouldn't to suffer, but of the process is i know you sho a dn't to suffer, but of the process is i know you shoa kind to suffer, but of the process is i know you shoa kind of to suffer, but of the process is i know you shoa kind of a to suffer, but of the process is i know you shoa kind of a pleasant but it's a kind of a pleasant suffering. yeah. you know, you're putting out. you're putting yourself out. you're the people you're doing it for the people that love, and it has, in my that you love, and it has, in my opinion, it has a bit more meaning. >> so this this the stuff >> so this this is the stuff this is version of it. like this is the version of it. like you have to be stuck in the high street. you have be fighting street. you have to be fighting for that robot getting for that. that robot getting angry the store. i can angry in the toy store. i can buy them. >> i can be more personal with amazon because i've got much more can buy them more choice and i can buy them exactly they whereas exactly what they want. whereas if the shops, i have to if i go to the shops, i have to end up with some with end up leaving with some with some rubbish pair socks, but some rubbish pair of socks, but you even go with you might not even go with something that you hadn't even thought see, it's a little bit >> you see, it's a little bit like online shopping, but amazon gives random suggestions. gives me random suggestions. >> great. gives me random suggestions. >> oh great. gives me random suggestions. >> oh gbut. gives me random suggestions. >> oh g but with them gives me random suggestions. >> oh gbut with them i'm >> oh yeah, but with them i'm really picking up shopping. i mean, i love doing food mean, i do love doing food shopping because shopping online because it's so convenient it and

convenient and they pack it and they it and that's that. they deliver it and that's that. you dispense all of you you dispense with all of that. when i do into that. but when i do go into supermarkets and i've got my list what i'm going get list of what i'm going to get you can guarantee and this is the point, like, i think we can all to this, that you all relate to this, that you come more than come out with much more than what on your list. in fact, what was on your list. in fact, you might not even come out with anything so anything that was on it. so that's why i think shopping for presents, you may not find what you're for, you you're looking for, but you might something else. might find something else. actually, even better actually, that's even better because you get inspired. yeah. >> it's slightly >> and also it's slightly impersonal. from impersonal. getting links from your this is what your kids like this is what you want. oh, here is. and this want. oh, here it is. and this is the thing. exactly. but i mean, talked a lot here mean, we've talked a lot here about and buying about consumerism and buying food and buying presents and whatnot. it's such whatnot. i mean, it's such a cliche, it really is that cliche, but it really is that all come now, all that christmas has come now, is a specialness you mean? is there a specialness you mean? well, i i know it sort of well, i mean, i know it sort of said every year, but it felt more when even a kid, more even when even as a kid, i know how excited i was getting the presents and but there the presents and what, but there was else it. some was something else to it. some there it like there was there was it felt like there was something magical there. it was symbolic. >> it was symbolic, yes. and now it's commercial. and think

it's commercial. and i think it's commercial. and i think it's competitive yeah, it's competitive too. yeah, i think a horrible lot of think there's a horrible lot of competitive going. competitive ness going. >> do think between >> what do you think between people companies people or between the companies trying us stuff? trying to sell us stuff? >> between people. oh, it's >> no. between people. oh, it's like, child got a better like, oh, my child got a better president than yours or sort of. and then even the kids are kind of well, what did of like going, well, what did you oh, really? i've you get? oh, really? well i've got so can you got five kids, so can you imagine trying to get everybody to equal? this is to get everybody equal? this is amongst not amongst their friends, not amongst their friends, not amongst oh i try to amongst the family. oh i try to equalise of thing. equalise it sort of thing. >> even then i literally >> but even then i literally have to show my kids receipts. i'm literally like, this is look at this is much i've spent at this is how much i've spent on you. yeah. that level. on you. yeah. to that level. yeah cute. i mean, do yeah but it is cute. i mean, do you think there's anything that we to make it less about we can do to make it less about the, the getting of stuff? i mean, that's part of it, isn't it? >> it's about it's giving the presents so you can't remove that side of it. yeah, but it's the psychological side side of it where it is a little bit competitive and it is a little bit sort of like, well, my friend got this, can i have the same tooth? like, you don't value me as much. and it's

almost like the value of the person is put on the value of the money. well it isn't, it should be the thought that counts the so it's counts. it's the token. so it's i think it's going bit too i think it's going a bit too far. yeah. >> i think that i mean >> no, i think that i mean that's i totally agree with you. it's just. but guess there's it's just. but i guess there's just, there's this intangible it's just. but i guess there's just, the|to; this intangible it's just. but i guess there's just, the|to thes intangible it's just. but i guess there's just, the|to the day.angible it's just. but i guess there's just, the|to the day. i|gible look element to the day. i mean, look , and are. we're all , and here we are. we're all sort of here sort of working whatever. but i, i still feel sort of here sort of working wha there's ut i, i still feel sort of here sort of working wha there's something feel sort of here sort of working wha there's something more that like there's something more that we that something needs we could do that something needs to i just wonder if we to be. i just wonder if we become a little bit too cynical to be. i just wonder if we becasie a little bit too cynical to be. i just wonder if we bec as a a little bit too cynical to be. i just wonder if we bec as a as ittle bit too cynical to be. i just wonder if we becas a as a:le bit too cynical to be. i just wonder if we becas a as a nation,)o cynical to be. i just wonder if we becas a as a nation, unselfish. as, as a as a nation, unselfish. >> you know, a few years ago, my daughter and i, we were on our own because all the others had disappeared to their in—laws and outlaws. what? um, outlaws. and you know what? um, and just of my. i've and it was just one of my. i've got children. not not got four children. not not quite as many i win. yeah, you as many as you. i win. yeah, you win. and so we went to help. um in a pub that opens up every year and they, you know, serve food to the people that came there, either for company or whatever it was. and that was really , really nice because you really, really nice because you were giving and not receiving .

were giving and not receiving. and that has a is a really good feeling. well, i think the closest i've come to a sort of christmas magical moment today was when i was driving here and i was coming down quite a tight road, and then someone like gave way to that, was it? >> and then does that not normally happen? normally happen around here and sort of gave a big sort of thumbs up and a smile. and i was like, there's the that's the spirit of christmas is someone tomorrow. >> it's like, you, what are you doing? >> give me a hug or whatever it is. >> it is.- >> it is, i is. >> it is, i think one is.— >> it is, i think one of is. >> it is, i think one of the main things that we associate christmas with is appreciating other people doing kind things for us. >> and often we get wrapped up in thinking that's just about giving physical presence when it's not. it is kind gestures like that . it's that christmas like that. it's that christmas spirit . um, like that. it's that christmas spirit. um, also, i think one thing that we can do to take the emphasis of presence and the new ipad, you're getting is make sure that you have other things to look forward to on christmas

day than the present. so, day other than the present. so, i in my family, the i mean, in my family, the christmas family games is like the highlight year. and the highlight of the year. and our family, there's something in our family, there's something in our are competitive our genes. we are so competitive and everyone looks forward to and it everyone looks forward to that. so much ripping each other apart in the family christmas quiz. that is what i love about christmas . christmas. >> yeah, do too. it's >> yeah, i do too. it's afterwards and it it more afterwards and it makes it more about still do charades. >> i think. also you know, maybe one reason why we're losing a bit of the magic of christmas is that i bit of the magic of christmas is thati do bit of the magic of christmas is that i do think that kids are a little bit more entitled and unappreciative of these days. as you say, they're very competitive. and, you know, they'll whine and cry of, oh, you know, you didn't get me the latest generation got latest generation ipad. you got me before that. and me the one before that. and rather actually just rather than actually just appreciating the for and the effort, you know, not all parents have the same amount of money. no, you will always have a who got who got a friend who got who got something fancier, who more something fancier, who got more money christmas card. money in their christmas card. um, and some i feel like sometimes, you know, in a lot of aspects, kids are a lot less

grateful these days. i like grateful these days. i feel like that's. i think next year what we should try a nation is we should try as a nation is just give any presents to just not give any presents to children at all. >> wouldn't be >> yeah. wouldn't that be brilliant? other? brilliant? just to each other? to yeah we can play to the adults? yeah we can play the sort of monopoly and destroy them and just break them down, and we'll back some of and maybe we'll get back some of it. would be a fly on it. i would love to be a fly on the wall when you exercise that a yes. a home? yes. >> think that's gonna >> i don't think that's gonna work. warning you now, kids, work. i'm warning you now, kids, if you're watching, expect nothing. >> i actually saw this brilliant sort life yesterday on sort of life hack yesterday on instagram. where it said instagram. um, where it said that parents should is that what parents should do is wrap bunch of fake wrap up a bunch of fake presents. just cardboard wrap up a bunch of fake preserand just cardboard wrap up a bunch of fake preserand put|st cardboard wrap up a bunch of fake preserand put christmas rd wrap up a bunch of fake preserand put christmas wrapping boxes and put christmas wrapping on under the on them, put them under the tree, every time your tree, and then every time your kid misbehaves, pick one up and put into fire. to put it into the fire. oh, to train behaviour. train their behaviour. >> saw someone do >> i think i saw someone do something like that and the kid was crying and no , that is fine. was crying and no, that is fine. that's a bit far. it's a bit. >> have you, have seen that >> have you, have you seen that video a few years with video from a few years ago with that where the dad says that kid where the dad says you're the naughty lid and you're on the naughty lid and the no, santa says, the kid says, no, santa says, i'm on naughty i'll i'm on the naughty list. i'll give uppercut. i'm give him an uppercut. i'm >> thing is, i'm still

>> the thing is, i'm still traumatised that video. traumatised by that video. >> think brilliant, to be >> i think it's brilliant, to be honest. i was like that as a kid. i was so sassy. i was like, no one's going to tell me what to do. no one's going to tell me. i'm the naughty list. and me. i'm on the naughty list. and here are. said the same. >> ready to have some boxes? well very good. we're going to find by we're find out by the way, we're trying identify some of trying to identify what some of these treats are. these particular treats are. >> and middle one was mince >> and middle one was a mince pie it looks like okay pie thing. it looks like a okay a mince crumble. pie thing. it looks like a okay a ntherezrumble. pie thing. it looks like a okay a nthere we1ble. pie thing. it looks like a okay a nthere we go.. >> there we go. >> there we go. >> yeah i think i've identified pudding. >> uh stolen. >> uh stolen. >> stolen getting stuff and getting drunk. that is christmas. uh let's get christmas. let's, uh let's get down that kind magic. down to that kind of magic. right. coming up soon, we have, down to that kind of magic. rigihrh)ming up soon, we have, down to that kind of magic. rigihrh angelap soon, we have, down to that kind of magic. rigihrh angela levin,, we have, down to that kind of magic. rigihrh angela levin, who have, down to that kind of magic. rigihrh angela levin, who wille, uh, hrh angela levin, who will be for a special be joining us for a special christmas royal roundup, but next it's the big story. next up, it's the big story. will 2024 the of will 2024 be the end of the tories? will be tories? charlie rowley will be joining me after

gb news, the people's channel, britain's news channel . welcome back. >> it's time now for the big story as rishi sunak faces a general election nightmare with reform uk warning a few days ago that it will stand in every seat against tory mps for the first time. so will the next year be the end of the tory party as we

know it? joining me now to discuss this is former special adviser to michael gove, charlie rowley. hello charlie. merry christmas. >> hi merry merry christmas to you too. >> so first of all, how do you think 2023 was for rishi sunak. >> well , it think 2023 was for rishi sunak. >> well, it was a year that i think he set out as you might remember, in january, uh, five priorities three on the economy , priorities three on the economy, uh, growing the economy, reducing debt and halving inflation. uh, and then there was one on the nhs which was reducing waiting times, and the final one which seems to have dominated was dominated 2023, which was stopping the boats. now, i think a couple of those, he would argue , have been achieved. argue, have been achieved. inflation is down, small boat crossings are down by a third. but i think you know what was set out in 2023. in january was something that i think a few people laughed at, as if that was going to be a five easy wins for him . um, it's turned out to

for him. um, it's turned out to be lot more difficult than be a lot more difficult than what i think he probably thought. of the thought. and lots of the commentariat thought. so going into he's obviously got into 2024, he's obviously got to, into 2024, he's obviously got to, , into 2024, he's obviously got to, , present the immigration to, um, present the immigration bill again for third reading, which was slightly difficult just before the, uh, the recess of parliament. so we've got to have a, a huge debate within the conservative party about those proposals. the immigration proposals. the immigration proposals. uh to stopping illegal migration, um, and going into 2024, he's going to have to deliver on all of those other priority things. so it's been a tough 2023. um, it's going to be, uh, no, let up in 2024, but you hope at this particularly festive time , uh, a time of festive time, uh, a time of forgiveness , uh, that it might forgiveness, uh, that it might just be and reflection, it might just be and reflection, it might just be a time where conservative mps and conservative mps and conservative activists can all sort of, um , uh, take stock and sort of, um, uh, take stock and go into 2024 more fully and squarely behind the prime minister to, uh, go into an election year, uh, full of beans. >> i think you're asking for a

lot of christmas goodwill. there i mean, the word that people seem to be saying is, you know, electoral wipe—out. i mean, i mean, is there realistically any way that he can really claw back from the polls? i mean, labour just seems far ahead at this point. >> they they do. and look, it looks as though, uh, sir keir starmer is actually enjoying the job. i think a bit more. he's come from a very difficult position, um, as being leader of the opposition. post—call in getting the party electorally ready. um, you know, they don't seem to be, uh, putting too many, uh, feet wrong, if i can put it like that. i think the problems that the conservatives have is that it is just own goals on the conservative party side, too much division, too much open , uh, debate in public, much open, uh, debate in public, not behind closed doors to resolve those policy issues with the conservative party so i think that's where the problem lies. the only i think saving grace at this moment for the conservatives and one that really is a real and prominent

factor , is that when you ask factor, is that when you ask people about the labour party and when you ask people about sir keir starmer and people are still not convinced, they're still not convinced, they're still not convinced, they're still not sure what the labour party's policies are, they're not sure what they'll do not quite sure what they'll do on spending. they're on tax and spending. they're not quite uh, actually quite sure, uh, actually how they uh , manage the they will, uh, manage the economy just when it seems to be getting better under the conservatives. think when conservatives. so i think when it comes a general election it comes to a general election and you have to really focus the public's minds, the public, who rightly , are absolutely rightly so, are absolutely turned by politics at the turned off by politics at the minute. and i can't blame them for it at all. after everything that's happened this year. um, for it at all. after everything thatwhenipened this year. um, for it at all. after everything thatwhenipene have; year. um, for it at all. after everything thatwhenipene have tozan um, for it at all. after everything thatwhenipene have to focusn, but when they have to focus their minds on the real politics, the general election that when, there that is coming, and when, there will hopefully a whole of will be hopefully a whole set of policies by parties it policies by both parties when it comes economy, schools, comes to the economy, schools, hospitals living, hospitals, the cost of living, levelling up again. uh, i think there'll be a real choice between, uh, the conservative prime minister uh, rishi sunak, who's been the chancellor, who's well known to the people of this country for all of the things that he's done over time in, in

his, in office versus sir keir starmer and a labour party who the public still don't quite know enough about, who have made a their own a few u—turns on their own policies. there's still policies. and there's still a big question mark about suckiest army himself. will be a army himself. so there will be a big for the and big question for the public. and i when we will see i think that's when we will see the polls and polls narrow. um, and just have to wait and and we'll just have to wait and see how they narrow. by the see how far they narrow. by the time a general is time a general election is called and thereafter . called and thereafter. >> yeah. mean, do you think i >> yeah. i mean, do you think i mean, saying rishi sunak mean, saying that rishi sunak can't it around? do you can't turn it around? do you think that the best option for the tories is kemi badenoch ? the tories is kemi badenoch? what do you think that she could do , do you think? i mean, for do, do you think? i mean, for me, i think that not voting her as leader was the biggest mistake tories made the mistake the tories made in the last so. um could she last year or so. um could she have turned it around? do you think? well i know kemi and i like kemi a lot. >> i think during the last leadership election, uh, because it was her first time running, she was still quite new, i think, to, uh, the conservative mps and the conservative party uh, broadly .

mps and the conservative party uh, broadly. um, but she's certainly someone who says what she thinks, um, and she doesn't mince her words. uh, and i think that's refreshing in politics. um, i think changing leader now for anybody , whether it's for for anybody, whether it's for kemi badenoch, whether it's for penny mordaunt, whether it's for bofis penny mordaunt, whether it's for boris johnson or whether it's for nigel farage. um, i think the public wouldn't forgive the conservative party again, chopping and changing its leader, having got rid of , chopping and changing its leader, having got rid of, uh, or a brexit vote that saw the departure of david cameron. remember back in 2016, getting rid of theresa may because of the brexit deal wasn't quite something that anybody could agree uh, you boris johnson, agree on. uh, you boris johnson, obviously, as we know through covid then ditching liz truss after 49 days, i think another prime minister, another conservative prime minister not elected by the public between now and another general election when there's only months to go , when there's only months to go, i think would be something that the public wouldn't forgive you for. whoever the leader of for. whoever was the leader of the conservative party. >> i reminded me of, uh, sort >> so i reminded me of, uh, sort of christmas carol, the sort of a christmas carol, the sort

of a christmas carol, the sort of 12, 12. was a sort of list of 12, 12. it was a sort of list of 12, 12. it was a sort of list of 1211. yeah. um now, of course, we had the reform uk announcing they're going to be standing. is that that seems like it's got to be a big threat to tory votes taking them away . to tory votes taking them away. is it. i mean, yes i think at the moment i think you're absolutely right. >> i think at the moment it is and the polls um, suggest that because in particular areas where for the conservative party to an overall majority to win an overall majority again, mean, it has an 80 seat again, i mean, it has an 80 seat majority. so it's, you know, it's a good start. to it's got a good start. but to hold on those seats, you've hold on to those seats, you've got hold the red wall got to hold on to the red wall seats. so where those constituencies voted conservative for the very first time, because labour had left them behind, effectively, so they change. they voted for change. they voted they voted for boris johnson, they voted for boris johnson, they voted brexit, they voted for voted for brexit, they voted for levelling those levelling up. as i say, those communities that they felt had been left behind after years of voting, labour, feel as voting, labour, if they feel as though can't vote for the though they can't vote for the conservative feel conservative party and they feel as they don't still as though that they don't still understand if understand the labour party, if the want to take the labour party want to take

the labour party want to take the back into the eu, which the uk back into the eu, which is not something those red wall constituencies or constituencies voted for or want, of they'll want, then of course they'll seek alternative. and seek out an alternative. and that be the reform that seems to be the reform party feeling, feeling that void. the conservative void. what the conservative party has to do is try and balance, uh, the, uh, levelling up agenda, investing in those communities while delivering on issues that are important to the red wall seats as it is right across the country, such as immigration, which is why there's been much focus on there's been so much focus on there's been so much focus on the bill. but it's the migration bill. but it's also got to cater to the south and the south—east of england. the conservative, the more liberal conservative, uh, where the conservatives uh, view where the conservatives may be losing support to the liberal democrats for example, places surrey and places like surrey and hertfordshire and in the south west uh, in somerset, um, west in, uh, in somerset, um, and in tiverton and, and in the south—west more broadly. so there's a balancing act for the conservative party to do to maintain its support in all of those constituencies, but where it doesn't deliver and deliver well those priorities, then well on those priorities, then that's when you let other parties in. and that's why i think it's very important to

make that at the next make sure that at the next general election, think general election, if you think about for the reform about voting for the reform party because you're upset with the conservatives then will the conservatives then you will be will end up effectively be you will end up effectively letting labour in through the back door, because if split back door, because if you split the conservative and you the conservative vote and you let then course let labour in, then of course they won't or they they won't do, uh, or they haven't a plan on haven't got a plan on immigration. uh, don't know immigration. uh, we don't know their economy for their plan on the economy for tax those tax and spend. those constituencies left labour constituencies that left labour in 2019 who really don't want them back will end up with labour and that would labour mps. and that would be bad those constituencies. bad for those constituencies. so it very, very clear it will be a very, very clear message the next general message at the next general election in that can only be two people can prime people that can become prime minister or sir minister uh, rishi sunak or sir keir a vote for any keir starmer. a vote for any other party be a vote for other party will be a vote for the labour party, and that will be something that i think, uh, the conservatives to the conservatives will want to remind those red wall remind people in those red wall seats across the country, seats and across the country, well, running well, time is certainly running out to change. out for things to change. >> suspect that labour is >> i suspect that labour is actually going actually just going to be walking through front door, walking through the front door, but, you very much but, uh, thank you very much for joining charlie. uh, it joining us, charlie. and, uh, it seems like you seem particularly soben seems like you seem particularly sober. if you have been sober. so if you have been

holding back from drinking. so now can actually start now you can actually start drinking. now your tv thing is done. uh. ah, there it is. very good. you just good. oh, well, you just happened you're like winston happened to. you're like winston churchill. on happened to. you're like winston chu1amount on happened to. you're like winston chu1amount of on happened to. you're like winston chu1amount of alcohol. on happened to. you're like winston chu1amount of alcohol. veryn any amount of alcohol. very good. >> i've been waiting for this all day, so thank you very much. well, enjoy. >> deserve that was >> you deserve it. that was charlie rowley and thank so charlie rowley and thank you so much. former special adviser to michael christmas. michael gove. merry christmas. thanks mate. thanks forjoining us mate. merry christmas . right. coming merry christmas. right. coming up is the one and only angela levin for her royal roundup . levin for her royal roundup. it's time for an xmas royal roundup with hrh angela levin . roundup with hrh angela levin. see you

monday to thursdays from 6:00 till 930. >> well come back, it is time for our xmas royal roundup with echr angela levin . echr angela levin. >> hello, merry christmas and the hrh can i keep it? yes, that is legally bound now. wow! put it on all of the letters. put on the letterheads. it's totally fine, thank you. how are you? have you had a nice christmas day? i'm fine. >> yes i'm fine. yes. >> you have a big meal? >> you have a big meal? >> no, i don't do any of that proper nothing. >> no, ijust some proper nothing. >> no, i just some family >> no, i just had some family around and it was just really relaxed and and just very relaxed and fun and just very nice. lovely. so nice. that's lovely. so obviously we're here now. >> but very, very >> low key, but very, very comfortable for family. comfortable for a family. >> yes. sounds like the >> yes. that sounds like the dream um talk to me about

dream thing. um talk to me about this. first of all, let's talk about the kings speech. that's obviously one of the big events of the day . such as it is. did of the day. such as it is. did it you? what did you it impress you? what did you think about it? >> it was very >> well, it was very interesting, i at interesting, actually. i left at the end. was feeling quite the end. i was feeling quite sorry for him. thought that he sorry for him. i thought that he was really hard not to was trying really hard not to upset anyone. put a foot upset anyone. not to put a foot wrong. we didn't see wrong. so we didn't see photographs he was photographs because he was standing tree, which was standing by his tree, which was actually going to be replanted . actually going to be replanted. yes. um, and that there weren't any photos , graphs so that any photos, graphs so that nobody, when the queen put up some of the family and harry and meghan weren't included, they made a huge fuss. meghan weren't included, they made a huge fuss . so we didn't made a huge fuss. so we didn't get that at all. and i think also that he was trying to talk to every faith he was saying, you know, it applies to every faith and to people with no faith. he was really trying to be accepted. i thought he was a little a little sad. um, and i felt he didn't need to be sad

because there's so many people do like him. the fact that he's got a couple in his family who don't, but he does very well. and i thought it was very nice that we saw the photo graph of camilla. we saw a william and catherine with their three delicious children , and we saw delicious children, and we saw the duke and duchess of edinburgh and all those people were shown with photographs. he didn't say a word about them. he just said he very much appreciated people helping and doing things and saving people , doing things and saving people, and that he didn't have to mention, he didn't have to show any pictures of harry and meghan . and i thought he did say, though, that he took this from the bible, that , you know, do the bible, that, you know, do unto others as you don't do unto others as you would have done to yourself, and i thought that was a very good hint at that. maybe harry might pick up, i think. >> do you think harry was watching? >> um, i'm sure he was watching, because i think that they look now for the slightest error so they can pounce , right? oh,

they can pounce, right? oh, really? i think it's that way now. um, and he would see you know, were they included ? were know, were they included? were they was there a picture of them 7 they was there a picture of them ? and i imagine that they would see it very much to see if they can make some sort of fuss about it. >> now, you mentioned that king charles's speech, you felt it was quite broad. maybe very, very broad. i mean, is that this whole thing, is it necessary for him to try and appeal to everybody ? kc. well, i think everybody? kc. well, i think it's too difficult. >> you can't do that. >> you can't do that. >> actually. you're never going to make everyone happy. >> actually. you're never going to rno,3 everyone happy. >> actually. you're never going to rno, youzryone happy. >> actually. you're never going to rno, you never happy. >> actually. you're never going to rno, you never are, py. >> actually. you're never going to rno, you never are, but. well, >> no, you never are, but. well, you them a bit you might make them a bit pleased, not actually really pleased, but not actually really happy. think wanted to take happy. i think he wanted to take it degree and show that he it low degree and show that he is open to everyone, but he was saying about climate change and things, it's very important to think about the earth for our children's children and following that, there was a primary school who sang a nice hymn. i thought those sorts of things were very touching and

had a strong point, but he didn't go zooming. had a strong point, but he didn't go zooming . the queen didn't go zooming. the queen used to sort of have quite cunning ways of telling people off, and i think this year he didn't want to at all. he wants to go through it and be calm. and i think it will be a happier occasion where it has been a happier occasion , because last happier occasion, because last year was so close, two months, three months to the queen's passing . and so now they can passing. and so now they can actually enjoy things. last year would have been very miserable and quiet and solemn, but this yearit and quiet and solemn, but this year it can be much fun. so do you think he's sort of warming to the role a little bit? and i think very much, quite a lot, actually. wherever they go, there's a lot of popularity now. um, and you saw it actually before in the christmas when they went to, to the christmas in the church, the service and people were calling and shouting and being very, very positive. there >> so which royals did appear today ? today? >> well, it was very interesting. i just want to say,

um, what was odd was that the duke and duchess of edinburgh and um, louise footage of them there. yes. and princess anne all wore the same scarf . okay. all wore the same scarf. okay. and i thought somebody has given everybody a scarf . everybody a scarf. >> i thought, that's very funny. >> i thought, that's very funny. >> it's very i thought, it's very odd. >> they might have got like a two for one deal. yeah >> that's what i thought. special offer by marks and spencer by, you know, by two. and get two free. yeah. um. and you get two free. yeah. um. yes thought it was lovely and yes i thought it was lovely and it was very happy . he. and he it was very happy. he. and he was smiling. the queen was very smiling. and the queen was very smiling. and the queen was smiling and well was smiling and that. well andrew was there, which was quite see him. >> there is that is that do you think is that a silent form of forgiveness from the king? >> well, it is actually because i thought that he wouldn't be there, because there would be worried people were worried in case people were start shouting him , start shouting at him, apparently sweaty, doesn't it? yeah, but i think that people were arriving at 4 am. today and it was really very crowded. so they, you see that they want

to see the royal family. they wanted to see the king um, and. yes. and also fergie andrews wife. she was there , um, and she wife. she was there, um, and she was walking to church with the royal family for the first time in 30 years, which is a very long time. >> his ex—wife. yeah. i mean, i think people are actually very fond of her. yeah, she's a survivor . survivor. >> yeah, she is a survivor. and she's rather exotic in her ways. and think that she people . the and i think that she people. the queen her very much. but queen liked her very much. but prince philip absolutely disliked her. so for 22 years, she wasn't allowed to come to any of the sandringham christmas . but last year, camilla said , . but last year, camilla said, no, no, she must come . and so no, no, she must come. and so she did. she's very forgiving. she's not a grudge bearing person and i thought that little louis was having very good tempered . he had louis was having very good tempered. he had his louis was having very good tempered . he had his father's tempered. he had his father's hand , and on the other side he'd hand, and on the other side he'd had mia, who is nine, who is zara's eldest daughter , and she zara's eldest daughter, and she was chatting away to him and he

was chatting away to him and he was having a very nice time. then mia was chatting away to charlotte, princess charlotte and i thought it was very natural. it wasn't sort of the more walking to church upright, right? not saying anything in a nice line. >> you sort of see them walking there and they just seem like a family. yes just happened to have a couple of thousand people watching on deconstruct and decoding movement , decoding every single movement, and that was very and i thought that was very nice. and i thought that was very nic> and also i spotted that, um, uh, beatrice's husband , and uh, uh, beatrice's husband, and he was talking to her as they were walking along and he looked at her with such a loving face, you know, he was really you could see how much he cared for her. and i think that was lovely because she's had a hard time. beatrice and to find somebody and got married . and she does and got married. and she does look after his little son from another relationship . ukip. and another relationship. ukip. and they have their own . but i they have their own. but i thought that was very nice and very warm. and i think that the royal family are really coming back together , actually. and

back together, actually. and making the most of it, which is why i was quite surprised that king charles made his own speech a little low and a quiet, very careful. >> doesn't want to be too pushy with. >> yes, i'm sure that's right. >> yes, i'm sure that's right. >> and i mean, you're speaking about the royal family coming back together. of course, there's a couple of people who aren't there. do aren't weren't there. do you think they their think that they and their children back into the children will come back into the fold? certainly around christmas time? >> no, i don't think so. i don't think so. i mean, william would go mad because they've been so horrible but more horrible about him, but more than there's been horrible than that, there's been horrible about princess catherine and william really wants to protect her. and i think a lot of people who really care about their partner can cope with things for themselves. but find it much more upsetting if it's done to their partner. more upsetting if it's done to their partner . and i think that, their partner. and i think that, you know, he's furious and he's been beyond ghastly. you know , been beyond ghastly. you know, lots of lies in there that aren't even true. but on the other hand, you know, king

charles is a father . other hand, you know, king charles is a father. he other hand, you know, king charles is a father . he loves charles is a father. he loves harry. but he doesn't like what he's doing. that's what it is. and i think lots of people know that that's quite difficult , and i think lots of people know that that's quite difficult, but they don't actually blurp it all over the world in a nasty manner and bring out books about it. >> well, that's it takes it too far. >> christmas is a time of forgiveness. >> but you have to ask for forgiveness. and yes , yes, and forgiveness. and yes, yes, and i guess we're not at that point yet. no no, but we'll see if it is. i mean, do you think the monarchy seems to be in a safe pair of hands with king charles? i think it is. >> i think it is in a good pair of hands. and also i've been asked by a lot of different countries to talk about them, and they're so interested . and and they're so interested. and all of them, they really like the royal family. the english lawyer family. and it is the most popular royal family in the world. and i think that's right. and that's why it's wrong that harry and meghan can keep trying to bring us down to the ground

and say, we're out of date, we're old fashioned, not us. the royal family is out of date and old fashioned , and i don't think old fashioned, and i don't think they are. i think charles has a is a very modern actually. he came across things years before anyone else did, like climate change and plastic and all those things and proper eating. um, and i think that that's, um , and i think that that's, um, been their mistake and it they do like us and that's very important . important. >> and king charles is setting up william to take things forward as well. yeah. >> and he and william agree on a lot now. so they can work together. and i think that that would be marvellous . yes. and would be marvellous. yes. and the family is, is very appealing . you know william so handsome and so serious now about what he's doing, catherine, who doesn't put a foot wrong and is doing this thing about young children, which is very important , children, which is very important, you children, which is very important , you know, if children, which is very important, you know, if children get a stable family and a loving one, then they are much more inclined to have a decent future

i >> -- >> so i'm lam >> so i'm just looking forward to having a bald king. that's what i think. i think it's going to change everything for me at that point. well, thank you so much. i'm going let you get much. i'm going to let you get back to your family now. thank you. you much you. and thank you so much for joining christmas. merry christmas. >> thanks for coming. >> thanks for coming. >> you. that was royal >> thank you. that was royal biographer to biographer hrh. we're going to add now andrea add it forever. now andrea levin, you so much. levin, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> right. coming up, my christmas critique, i'll be discussing leaders discussing the world leaders messages this christmas. messages to us this christmas. have notes or have they hit the right notes or left with load of bum

welcome back to gb news tonight with me. josh howie on your christmas day evening, i'm joined by my christmas panel. we have broadcaster and tv personality ingrid tarrant ,

personality ingrid tarrant, trade unionist andy mcdonald and political commentator chloe dobbs. now for many of us, getting into the christmas spirit means exactly that. drink as much as we like . and whether as much as we like. and whether it's a mouthful of mulled wine with mince pies or a drop of your best pinot noir with the turkey, if your child asks for a sip, what's the harm? it's christmas, after all. now, according to a study by the ucl institute of education, 17% of british parents have let their children drink alcohol by the age of 14. should you really let your young teens have a festive dnnk your young teens have a festive drink ? what do we think here? drink? what do we think here? now we got one pair. i'm assuming you guys, your parents. you might not know if your parents. >> not to my knowledge yet or not. >> i suppose not your parents. i'm all for that. my children didn't. were younger than 14. >> oh, okay. well, they were like six. this is the only way to get them to be younger, do you know? >> but yes, we. yes. passed out . >> but yes, we. yes. passed out. yeah. um, were brought up. my

yeah. um, we were brought up. my siblings and i were brought up drinking wine. okay from a very young age, like in france and germany. yeah. so this was the thing diluted with water. and, you know, none of us have a problem with drink. we've got a really healthy relationship with just heroin. yeah, that's the problem. i know it went the other way , but, um . no, it was other way, but, um. no, it was just, you know , enjoy it, don't just, you know, enjoy it, don't abuseit. just, you know, enjoy it, don't abuse it . and that's absolutely abuse it. and that's absolutely fine. so i did exactly the same with my children. and none of them have a dependence . i mean, them have a dependence. i mean, one of them gets completely stupid , but, um, know, it's stupid, but, um, you know, it's just like it's after a football match when most people do. um, so i actually really don't have a problem. so one of the 17, a problem. so i'm one of the 17, and if do, you know , and i've if you do, you know, you are forbidden. we're talking about alcohol. we've got it down. yeah, we have to pass it down. yeah, we have to pass it down. pass it through. >> let's get some alcohol to children right now. >> yes, yes. »- >> yes, yes. >> that you guys >> saying that you guys are too young. yes. your adult. your adult? yes like making me feel very old. >> forbidden >> it's forbidden foods. if you say no, see, that's the thing.

>> i. my parents allowed me >> is, i. my parents allowed me from pretty young age as well from a pretty young age as well to try. they you want to to try. they said, you want to try bit wine at the table? try a bit of wine at the table? that fine. so it wasn't that was fine. so it wasn't a forbidden fruit. and i actually then i tried i was like, then i tried it and i was like, actually, i don't really like it that much. so i never really got into drinking. see a lot into drinking. but i see a lot of kids who don't drink, of kids who they don't drink, you they're not allowed to you know, they're not allowed to dnnk you know, they're not allowed to drink up until they're 18, and then go crazy at then they go crazy at university. now i know university. and we now i know that like, a lot of that a lot of like, a lot of nightclubs are struggling nightclubs are really struggling with party with freshers who didn't party and teenagers because and drink as teenagers because of because of lockdown. and drink as teenagers because of who acause of lockdown. and drink as teenagers because of who havee of lockdown. and drink as teenagers because of who have nof lockdown. and drink as teenagers because of who have no ideazdown. and drink as teenagers because of who have no idea town. and drink as teenagers because of who have no idea to how those who have no idea to how handle their drink as fresh as they've come into university with experience and with no drinking experience and you just you know, they're just a complete they're all in complete mess. they're all in ambulances, a&e. ambulances, off to a&e. it's just it's just complete just it's just a complete nightmare. i think there's if nightmare. so i think there's if there's a social function for those that do want to drink, it's better them in an it's better to start them in an environment your parents environment where your parents are do have one are there and if you do have one too many, you know you've got help, you've got people to tell you you've a few too you when you've had a few too many. you just wait until many. if you just wait until they're off at university, there's there no parents

there's no there are no parents there's no there are no parents there watching. i think that's a lot i agree you. >> yes, i agree with you. >> yes, i agree with you. >> when i was young, you know, i'd have a, you know, a sip of beer or a sip of red wine. i just hate it because. because when it's so when you're young, it's so bitter. it's sour. it's like, bitter. it's so sour. it's like, yeah, was disgusting, you yeah, that was disgusting, you know? when young, know? so when you're young, i think up until about or 14, think up until about 13 or 14, i didn't like the taste of alcohol. i'd only have alcohol. and i'd only have a little bit. ooh. and you know, the big debate was, oh, do i put it in the cup or do i put it back in the cup or do i put it back in the cup or do i put it in sink, or do i swallow it in the sink, or do i swallow it, you know, and man up through it? but i think, you know, a glass and there is healthy, glass here and there is healthy, you christmas time when you know, at christmas time when you're, 14 onwards you're, you know, 14 onwards because what school year is that, ten nine, that, that year ten year. nine, you going on taking you know, you're going on taking your exams that will dictate the rest you rest of your life. so you might as of taste of as well have a bit of taste of life whilst you're, you know, whilst but i think whilst you're there. but i think younger that's bit younger than 14. that's a bit that's, well ingrid. >> yeah. no i disagree i think it is. >> it's a bit on the nose. >> hasn't done any to me >> it hasn't done any harm to me at all. >> i couldn't look. >> i couldn't look. >> it has. i'm just >> perhaps it has. and i'm just in no, i it's i, you know,

>> no, i think it's i, you know, i've to be honest. a i've got to be honest. i'm a little bit convinced. and certainly argument doing certainly this argument of doing it way with your kids it in a safe way with your kids because, yeah, you're absolutely right. off to uni right. when you go off to uni and the world open and suddenly the world is open to like, you're not to you, it's like, if you're not prepared that. that's prepared for that. and that's very hadn't aware that very i hadn't been aware of that at course. yeah. no, at all. of course. yeah. no, i like i like idea of it. so like i like the idea of it. so it's having a healthy respect and a good relationship with it. >> just think i've got to >> and i just think i've got to be honest, parents did drugs be honest, my parents did drugs around did around me. oh, did they did they really the really what spliffs and all the rest all of it. rest of it. all of it. >> it actually had the >> and it actually had the opposite me because opposite effect on me because i've never had a cigarette. i've never any of that. never done any of that. >> but could it could >> and but it could go, it could have one way or the other have gone one way or the other way. >> e— @ talk about my sister. >> oh, oh, is that right? >> oh, oh, is that right? >> exactly anyway, coming >> yeah. exactly anyway, coming up, tobias pearson, up, comedian tobias pearson, he joins us live from snowy stockholm. next, stockholm. but next, my christmas discussing christmas critique discussing the have hit christmas critique discussing the right have hit christmas critique discussing the right note? have hit christmas critique discussing the right note? see-iave hit christmas critique discussing the right note? see you hit christmas critique discussing the right note? see you two. t the right note? see you in two. >> that feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on gb news . hello there. weather on gb news. hello there. >> i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather.

we've had quite a wet christmas day, but the good news is that rain is clearing and for boxing day it will be much drier and brighter as this brief ridge of high pressure starts to build in. doesn't last in. however, it doesn't last long further wet weather long before further wet weather systems move in as we head into wednesday. so this evening time , wednesday. so this evening time, rain still clearing the far southeast . some showery rain for southeast. some showery rain for northern ireland. southern scotland, england scotland, northern england for a time, but for the majority time, but for the vast majority overnight. dry with clear overnight. it's dry with clear spells, wintry showers spells, some wintry showers continue northern parts continue across northern parts of scotland. some icy stretches here. elsewhere, temperatures lower than they have been of late, but still fairly mild across southern counties of england and wales. so it means a bright start to boxing day. plenty of sunny spells, a chilly start , stretches slowly start, icy stretches slowly melting away across parts of scotland and then, for most, a dry, bright day. plenty of hazy sunshine , though the cloud sunshine, though the cloud thickening from the southwest through into the afternoon. outbreaks of develop here. outbreaks of rain develop here. a fresher day for everyone. temperatures nearer to average for to seven celsius. mild air

returning across the southwest . returning across the southwest. and then it's very unsettled on wednesday, outbreaks of heavy rain, strong winds push across the country, snow across the scottish hills too, and temperatures remain well above average for the time of year. some of that rain will be heavy at times and it stays unsettled through thursday and friday. further showery rain in places and temperatures above average . and temperatures above average. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

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comedian tobias pearson will be joining me later to bring some festive cheer from stockholm, and we'll have the papers straight hot off the press at 10:30 pm. and my fabulous festive panel are back. we have ingnd festive panel are back. we have ingrid tarrant , andy macdonald ingrid tarrant, andy macdonald and chloe dobbs. ingrid tarrant, andy macdonald and chloe dobbs . they really do and chloe dobbs. they really do not like that bucks fizz. they'll be nominating their greatest britons and union jackasses . it's compact. our jackasses. it's compact. our first. we have josh's judgement at ten lots . at ten lots. to. we've also got lots of stings and lots to come in the next houn and lots to come in the next hour. what do you think ? email hour. what do you think? email me now. vaiews@gbnews.com. see you after the headlines . you after the headlines. >> thanks, josh , i'm ray addison >> thanks, josh, i'm ray addison in the gb news room . our top in the gb news room. our top stories this hour. labour is

considering plans to process asylum seekers claims overseas . asylum seekers claims overseas. according to a report in the times newspaper. former shadow home secretary yvette cooper and shadow immigration minister stephen kinnock have reportedly been speaking to asylum experts to draw up an alternate way to stop migrants crossing the channelin stop migrants crossing the channel in small boats. the plan would see asylum seekers have their claims processed in a second country with successful applicants allowed to come to the uk . labour leader sir keir the uk. labour leader sir keir starmer has previously dismissed the government's rwanda scheme as a gimmick . the government's rwanda scheme as a gimmick. conservative mp mike freer, whose constituency office was the target of a suspect arson attack, has told gb news that his office remains a crime scene as police continue to investigate . eight fire crews to investigate. eight fire crews were called to the building in north london on christmas eve after it was partially damaged by the blaze. the mp told us. police are examining cctv footage and he does not yet know when his office will be released

back to him. no one was in the building at the time of the incident . the king used his incident. the king used his christmas address today to focus on and give thanks to the nation's volunteers, describing them as a selfless army. his majesty said they are the essential backbone of our society. he thanked the hundreds of volunteers who attended his coronation in westminster abbey earlier on this year, and said that their presence is a call to all of us to love and care for all of us to love and care for all on this christmas day . all on this christmas day. >> my heart and my thanks go to all who are serving one another. all who are caring for our common home and all who see and seek the good of others. not least the friend. we do not yet know . in this way we bring out know. in this way we bring out the best in ourselves . the best in ourselves. >> a 16 year old boy has been arrested on suspicion of murder after a woman was stabbed in

south london. officers were called to a home in bermondsey just after 10:00 on christmas eve. they treated a 22 year old for stab wounds, but she died at the scene. gb news understands that the boy was known to the victim. he remains in custody . victim. he remains in custody. thousands of people across the country made the most of today's unseasonably mild weather by taking an early morning festive dip . swimmers in birmingham dip. swimmers in birmingham braved the waters in hats and costumes at sutton park's blackroot pool , and costumes at sutton park's blackroot pool, and members of the serpentine swimming club took part in their annual peter pan cup in hyde park. the race has been held every year since 1864. this is gb news across the uk on television, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now let's get straight back to josh .

to josh. >> thank you very much, ray. now, the one thing that never stops for anyone , let alone stops for anyone, let alone jesus, is politics. in fact, christmas is the perfect time with a captive audience to spread your message of goodwill and traditional values so you can win votes tomorrow and today. we have seen yesterday also some corkers and we had them from the world leaders and wannabe leaders . them from the world leaders and wannabe leaders. but them from the world leaders and wannabe leaders . but what them from the world leaders and wannabe leaders. but what are they really trying to say now? biden he kept it simple with a traditional image and message. there it is from our family to yours. merry christmas america . yours. merry christmas america. wow. so, uh, now if , uh, if this wow. so, uh, now if, uh, if this from all of his family, including hunter, then we can't 100% be sure if the white stuff on the tree was definitely snow . on the tree was definitely snow. uh, there also some uh, there was also some interesting grammar usage. a colon, uh, for emphasis there. biden is very clear, biden is being very clear, especially with the comma , about especially with the comma, about who he's addressing . it's

who he's addressing. it's america, he is telling them you're my priority . i only want you're my priority. i only want you're my priority. i only want you to have a merry christmas. america darn the rest of the world. i love america, the america first. okay, so biden, he's got a long way to go. if he wants to top trump. trump we have trump ramping it up, though. he's no apology. he's no excuses, no hiding. he just put out a straight up campaign video. you've got to respect that. but he must be having a pretty boring christmas because he's been on his truth social site all day , and he's put that site all day, and he's put that caps lock on and he has let rip there. they spied on my campaign. they lied to congress. gee, in pfizer , rigged the gee, in pfizer, rigged the election, allowed millions of people mental prisoners and invade our country. joe biden's misfits drugs . and there we go. misfits drugs. and there we go. and finally, at the end, uh, merry christmas . so i now merry christmas. so i now i gotta be honest, i've kind of inspired by that. i think that's how i'm going to write all of my christmas cards from now on. i certainly agree on the

afghanistan tragedy , but the afghanistan tragedy, but the rest isn't exactly oreste . rest isn't exactly oreste. gentle merry men close to home. we have macron wishing everyone in france a merry christmas, which he doesn't always do. actually, you know, for this famously secular state, uh, he's done this year and i think that might be a nod to embracing the majority shared religious history . but majority shared religious history. but he majority shared religious history . but he also made sure history. but he also made sure to later chuck in a gaza reference to not offend another chunk of his population . uh, the chunk of his population. uh, the main thing is, as we can see, if we have it, but there it is. he has got a photo of a very, very big christmas tree. now that feels to me like he's possibly over compensating and at home we have keir starmer now for me, he's pulled a blind. there he is, there. and i'm not just talking about the wife. traditional christmas drink with neighbours happy neighbours in the local happy christmas to one and all. now there's to unpack here. there's a lot to unpack here. let's leave this photo up for, say, mind. sorry say, if you don't mind. sorry first all, i apologise. we first of all, i apologise. we have the double denim. i don't know the know if anybody noticed the double uh, it double denim. and, uh, there it is. actually, it's triple

is. and actually, it's triple denim wife. now is denim with his wife. now, now is a fashion choice. he a brave fashion choice. is he telling that maverick telling us that he's maverick and pint? he's saying and he's got a pint? he's saying i'm one of you. i'm keir starmer and a pint. and think, and i like a pint. and i think, is it bitter even he's a man of the people. but wait sec. the people. but wait a sec. he's got one of posh pint got it in one of those posh pint glasses. he's the upper glasses. he's telling the upper middle there a safe pair middle classes there a safe pair of with like that pint of hands with him like that pint like safe hands. my like his gigantic safe hands. my favourite bit, though , is that favourite bit, though, is that he looks a bit squiffy . now that he looks a bit squiffy. now that is really what you want from your leader on a christmas. you want smashed out want a totally smashed out passed out on a massive christmas lunch. we want another winston churchill , which christmas lunch. we want another winston churchill, which is christmas lunch. we want another winston churchill , which is the winston churchill, which is the furthest thing that we got from rishi. now watch this . am i the. rishi. now watch this. am i the. only one here? are .

doo doo doo doo . i don't even doo doo doo doo. i don't even know where to begin. there was actually another 30s. but i just wanted to save you guys. is christmas after all. now i understand that it's an homage to love actually, and he's showing us that he's just. he's a regular guy. he and he's even going to work christmas for us. but there's a lot of cringe to unpack there. there's the nod, of to his coke cocaine of course, to his coke cocaine gaffe . uh, but at the same time, gaffe. uh, but at the same time, he's wasting a lot cans of he's wasting a lot of cans of coke there going be coke there. there going to be two use invokes two fizzy to use now. it invokes government wastage or he's just showing that he's too rich showing us that he's too rich and you see where even larry the cat away him? the cat jerks away from him? the only redeemable element is that he watches elf. uh, but is that enough to win your vote? let's go to our panellists now . what go to our panellists now. what do you think, guys? who won out of all that lot? oh you're still cringing. they don't even know what to think. >> the most exciting there . >> the most exciting there. >> the most exciting there.

>> trump. likes the capslock . >> trump. he likes the capslock. >> trump. he likes the capslock. >> think if you look at keir >> i think if you look at keir starmer's you know of starmer's tweet, you know of course going course trade unionists going straight think straight for starmer i think you know actually in his know you can actually see in his facial that would know you can actually see in his facialbeen that would know you can actually see in his facialbeen one that would know you can actually see in his facialbeen one ofthat would know you can actually see in his facialbeen one of aat would know you can actually see in his facialbeen one of a burstrld know you can actually see in his facialbeen one of a burst of have been one of a burst of photos. you know, it's quite natural actually. you know, not a photography a this full photography done hasn't professionals hasn't got the professionals in not and tie doing this not in a suit and tie doing this message but message like rishi did, but he's clearly around at the clearly parading around at the moment trying to look a moment trying to look like a normal man. and everyone's looking quite normal. >> photo >> do you see the photo of a normal bloke? >> ryanair the other >> so flying ryanair the other day ? day? >> look at i'm on ryanair. >> look at me, i'm on ryanair. i'm a normal regular working class guy. >> he didn't post that. in >> well, he didn't post that. in fairness, took fairness, someone else took rishi rishi's attempts to look normal. >> really fail a lot more crickets . it's just always ends crickets. it's just always ends up being a load of memes. every time rishi tries to make video time rishi tries to make a video that him look normal. that makes him look normal. >> it's never normal for >> i know it's never normal for him all. him at all. >> it'sjust him at all. >> it's just accepting. >> it's just accepting. >> want you guys in >> i just want of you guys in number sort of playing number 10, just sort of playing cricket whatever. it's cricket or whatever. it's definitely i, i kind of feel sorry for him. maybe that was maybe that was the plan. >> desperate. yeah. maybe he know .

know. >> also richie's video really looks like he's been sponsored by coca—cola for this. it looks really what i thought. >> there's some product placement going on there. yeah. do you think maybe that's not allowed? might be trying allowed? it might be trying to get american get that sort of that american trade going through. trade deal going through. it's like on, got an like guys, come on, i've got an american product. >> it won't work . >> it won't work. >> it won't work. >> it won't work. >> i he really should have >> i know he really should have had some. >> i know he really should have hac he me. have appealed to >> he should have appealed to the audience. the scottish audience. >> completely selling his >> he is completely selling his soul, that what the soul, if that is what the underlying message is. >> that they >> and do you think that they should and just should just cut back and just keep simple? mean, biden keep it simple? i mean, biden kind of did it pretty simple there. a picture. there. here's a picture. and just everyone. just merry christmas everyone. >> even that was just >> yeah, but even that was just i he's such a bland i just think he's such a bland man. and yes, maybe , maybe it man. and yes, maybe, maybe it was kind of quite neutral . but was kind of quite neutral. but um , i don't know. i just think um, i don't know. i just think these you're falling into a trap each and every time. but the starmer one, i didn't like because i know i didn't at all like yours to say. i think it's been really worked to look completely relaxed. and it's like the tension of the relaxed and pint is you're and then the pint is you're saying, been in touch with saying, i've been in touch with

the man, and then vicky the common man, and then vicky with champagne glass and so with her champagne glass and so you did mention that. and to me, that of is almost like i'm that kind of is almost like i'm balanced. so it's kind of, you know, the socialists, but with the capitalist coming between us coming together . coming together. >> so isn't that what we want? yeah i think that's ideal. >> you know, someone who's in touch with all of our society. >> i think. >> i think. >> well, i think that's the message the way that that was. >> i mean, are we >> do you think i mean, are we maybe are too cynical maybe are we being too cynical here? oh, yeah. >> completely. here? oh, yeah. >> comare.ely. here? oh, yeah. >> comare. iy. here? oh, yeah. >> comare. i love it though. >> you are. i love it though. >> have you. >> have you. >> i mean, oh, you think >> no, i mean, oh, do you think there really is this team of 20 people around them? >> i do think there is. >> i'm sure there is. i'm sure there is. but i'm >> no i'm sure there is. but i'm just some people might just think, they're just some people might just thin taking they're just some people might just thin taking a they're just some people might just thintaking a photo they're just some people might just thintaking a photo and1ey're just some people might just thintaking a photo and saying just taking a photo and saying it's not that deep. >> i think, you know, he's just got his son or whomever. just quick dad on quick photo of mum and dad on twitter, imagine. twitter, i imagine. >> they've spent an >> i think they've spent an awful money and somebody awful lot of money and somebody had that. they've had to do that. or they've psychology been in psychology has been in the background the son's psychology has been in the backg lheid the son's psychology has been in the backg the picture the son's psychology has been in the backg the picture of the son's psychology has been in the backg the picture of what son's psychology has been in the backg the picture of what the s taken the picture of what the psychologist reckons set psychologist reckons the set up should psychologist reckons the set up sho but if there is psychologist reckons the set up shobut if there is a >> but if there is a psychologist, why would they go

with denim that is with the double denim that is true. true. no true. that is true. surely no one. is that do you one. or is that just do you think a double black ironed it is denim? yeah. think a double black ironed it is this enim? yeah. think a double black ironed it is this is.m? yeah. think a double black ironed it is this is. m? don'tah. think a double black ironed it is this is.m? don't want think a double black ironed it is this is. m? don't want it to >> this is. you don't want it to look too polished. >> it's very. yeah and >> oh no. it's very. yeah and he's in his local. he's with. but says he's with his but also it says he's with his neighbours. doesn't i'm neighbours. doesn't say i'm with my or friends. it's my mates or my friends. it's like not on a lads night like it's not on a lads night out gang. >> he's like oh i just out gang. >> to he's like oh i just out gang. >> to my. 's like oh i just out gang. >> there1y. 's like oh i just out gang. >> there it 's like oh i just out gang. >> there it is. like oh i just out gang. >> there it is. there1 i just out gang. >> there it is. there weiust it up. >> oh let's have a look at him. >> oh let's have a look at him. >> think he also looks a bit >> i think he also looks a bit drunk like i got. he's definitely looks, he looks a bit slurry and it's slurry and hang on and it's christmas day guys. >> than wife >> is smaller than his wife isn't he. >> is smaller than his wife isn'oh,. >> is smaller than his wife isn'oh, you think well i mean >> oh, you think so. well i mean rishi isn't going to rishi obviously isn't going to get with. well in get away with. oh well he's in the picture as well, but you just can't. >> you think. >> e he's >> you think. >> he's standing >> oh, you think he's standing on or something? on top of him or something? yeah, don't know. i think yeah, i don't know. i think that's decent effort of that's a pretty decent effort of making like a human that's a pretty decent effort of makingl'm like a human being. i'm >> i think failed >> i think it's failed miserably. i'm surprised that we didn't argentinian presidents. oh, well, you what >> oh, well, you know what that was mental. he was almost too mental. he brandished a cane. >> he was looking the >> he was looking up at the camera, and >> he was looking up at the ca we �*a, and >> he was looking up at the ca we do. and and >> he was looking up at the ca we do. and he and >> he was looking up at the ca we do. and he threatens and >> he was looking up at the ca we do. and he threatens his d in we do. and he threatens his twitter viewers with don't turn into communist with with his

into a communist with with his communist into a communist with with his commucouldn't100% into a communist with with his commucouldn't 100% verify it >> we couldn't 100% verify it because believe it or not, we actually to make sure actually do want to make sure that are giving actual that we are giving you actual news. from a support news. so it was from a support account, it? so account, but is it? yeah. so we're so there it is . we're not 100. so there it is. there. uh, i mean that is that is quite terrifying. >> what a tweet that wins it. that's a shame. that's not the real president. >> that's what it says. uh, for anybody who doesn't speak, uh, spanish, uh, saving the world from communism. i hope they speak spanish in argentina. i'm going pretty stupid . uh, going to look pretty stupid. uh, there. which not the first there. which is not the first time, yeah, that is he looks time, but yeah, that is he looks like in sort of 9080s like he's in a sort of 9080s british. british british gangster movie. yeah, he does a little bit. >> or he's just heard something downstairs and has gone downstairs and has gone downstairs with the batus. >> oh, that's what he is. you think? just told think? oh, someone just told me he's bear the he's the bear jew from the inglourious bastards. i should say thing from inglourious bastards. i should say tarantino thing from inglourious bastards. i should say tarantino movie. ng from inglourious bastards. i should say tarantino movie. he's)m inglourious bastards. i should say tarantino movie. he's got the tarantino movie. he's got the tarantino movie. he's got the he's taking down the sideburns. >> he's got the hair. >> he's got the hair. >> he's got the hair. >> he looks hardcore. >> he looks hardcore. >> oh, yeah, he looks cool . >> oh, yeah, he looks cool. >> oh, yeah, he looks cool. >> yeah. no, i think, uh, that finished his with i finished his shift with this. i wonder going to inspire

wonder if he's going to inspire trump because it does look like. >> dear, trump's going to be on. >> i'm not going to be outdone with with my physical masculinity. >> the barrel shotgun . >> the barrel shotgun. >> the barrel shotgun. >> yeah i know that is the it's very good. well think uh very good. well i think uh i feel like, you know what i respect the fact they put in some effort, i i think some effort, i think i think macron sort of going, macron just sort of going, here's that here's a christmas tree that happened was happened to be outside. it was wonky, the way. wonky, by the way. >> christmas >> great christmas tree. >> great christmas tree. >> great christmas tree. >> i feel like joe biden, >> i feel like the joe biden, the biden one is the worst the joe biden one is the worst because he hasn't even taken a photo literally photo himself. it's literally like just gone off like he's just gone off vistaprint and taken a, you know, just a standard christmas card. there is . card. there it is. >> there. yeah, yeah, there is nothing buying the nothing buying that in the supermarket. you're getting ten. you're getting ten for £1 from. >> he's just some random >> yeah. he's just some random christmas nothing christmas card. there's nothing special this. it just special about this. it just shows how dead and boring sleepy joe that's it. to honest, they >> that's it. to be honest, they might. might not have been might. he might not have been conscious when it came time to take photo. were like, take the photo. they were like, let's stick out photo. let's just stick out a photo. let's sleepy was let's just put sleepy joe was asleep when this out. he asleep when this went out. he could know what? you could be, you know what? if you i was looking at this i just i was looking at this earlier and trying

earlier and really trying to sort get behind. what is the sort of get behind. what is the message out message that they're putting out here i the most i got is here and i the most i got is that they trains that run. that they have trains that run. >> i think, know, the big >> i think, you know, the big you know, do you have a christmas tree stand or not. because little because that's on like a little box. that hyper box. there is that hyper realistic people realistic is that do people overanalyze . oh yeah. it could overanalyze. oh yeah. it could be. is that an american thing? do they, do they have three sons? yeah. grandstanding yeah. yeah. >> that's good. and e that's good. and >> oh that's good. and also it's the opposite of uh, of king charles's where got charles's thing where he's got the he's the roots out. yeah. he's saying, look, guys, i've got this tree out for, took it out for then put it back for an hour and then put it back . in america they're like, . but in america they're like, we're to cut this we're not just going to cut this bad down. we're going to put bad boy down. we're going to put it up. we're going to sure bad boy down. we're going to put it nevere're going to sure bad boy down. we're going to put it never goes oing to sure bad boy down. we're going to put it never goes oing to nature ure bad boy down. we're going to put it never goes oing to nature ins it never goes back to nature in any that could be it. i any way that could be it. i don't know, i saw someone cling filming and saving it filming their tree and saving it for following year. for the following year. >> that works. >> apparently that works. >> apparently that works. >> don't. >> really don't. >> really don't. >> someone some >> i also saw someone some feeling need wash feeling that they need to wash their tree. so their christmas tree. so actually bath actually putting it in the bath and chloe, you are and giving it a chloe, you are informing us so much this evening. >> i terrifying this >> i terrifying all this time i spend through stupid spend scrolling through stupid videos instagram is actually videos on instagram is actually who doesn't for who says it doesn't useful for something,

who says it doesn't useful for somethingyou so much. >> thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> they're right up next, tobias pearson going to join live pearson is going to join me live from stockholm. you from snowy stockholm. see you after the

the people's channel, britain's news channel . news channel. >> welcome back . now we're going >> welcome back. now we're going to go over to snowy stockholm . to go over to snowy stockholm. um, and i'm going to be joined by swedish comedian tobias pearson, who's going to talk us about all things christmas and

comedy. tobias hey, mate. hello >> hello. how are you ? >> hello. how are you? >> hello. how are you? >> merry christmas, merry christmas. >> lovely to see you. you had a nice christmas. >> yeah. fantastic >> yeah. fantastic >> and we had. yeah. christmas yesterday. so i'm just i'm relaxed and, uh, the kids are down the pub. everything's fine. >> yes. the great, uh, the swedish way. well, we have a norwegian here. oh, look at you. gosh, you're such a you're such a patriarch. and you also giving honour to our late queen. there very how's your very good. how's how's your christmas been? are you christmas period been? are you been gigging a lot over christmas? >> my last, uh, comedy >> i have my last, uh, comedy gig of , uh, >> i have my last, uh, comedy gig of, uh, december >> i have my last, uh, comedy gig of , uh, december 15th, >> i have my last, uh, comedy gig of, uh, december 15th, and it was nice. people laughed and, uh, but, you know what it's like doing christmas gigs. people are very drunk, and you have to be very, you know, do mainstream topics and very presentable topics and be very presentable and and throw and nice. and people throw things verbally know, things verbally and, you know, throw glasses and stuff. so you just have to sort of. yeah. so i'm just glad that i'm alive. >> yeah, i know that's it. i think, uh, christmas for comedians, it's sort it. we comedians, it's sort of it. we see paying our tax bill

see it as paying our tax bill essentially for the of the essentially for the rest of the yean essentially for the rest of the year. yeah yeah. >> like gladiator. yeah know. >> did you get any particularly good heckles this year or did you , did you just plough through. >> no. i mean just just people being say was just being drunk and say i was just interrupting . right. but swedish interrupting. right. but swedish people just drunk and boring. if you get heckles in the in the uk, people are more interesting and people can actually and people can be actually funnier are. funnier than, than you are. which problem sometimes. which is a problem sometimes. i know , i know, it's the worst. know, i know, it's the worst. >> you can do then is >> although you can do then is use heckle. >> although you can do then is use! heckle. >> although you can do then is use! love1eckle. >> although you can do then is use! love that,�*. >> although you can do then is use! love that, yeah, >> i love that, yeah, intelligent heckles are good. >> oh yeah? well, no, because then you could steal them. use them your act. yes, exactly. them in your act. yes, exactly. yeah. my act is yeah. i think half my act is just being funnier than just people being funnier than me. works out. it's me. it totally works out. it's like free material. so how are things in sweden? how was things going in sweden? how was 2023? it feels to me 2023? i think it feels to me from the uk watching that it was kind of a bit of a reckoning for sweden in terms of political in, well, just in terms of what the history of the, the migrants coming and the kind of the

results of that. it felt like sweden was kind of i know this is getting a little bit serious. he might have drinking he might have been drinking today, but, um, feels today, but but, um, it feels like keir starmer. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i'm kidding. >> i'm kidding. >> i'm kidding. >> i don't think he was drunk. he was just relaxed and happy, i think. anyway. but that's my take him. take on him. >> absolutely. uh, no, >> absolutely. fine. uh, no, i know your question. >> i'm just. if i can >> i mean, i'm just. if i can summarise it quickly, like summarise it quickly, it's like reality is so weird now in sweden, right? when it comes to crimes people are shooting, crimes and people are shooting, shooting machine shooting each other with machine guns. shooting each other with machine guns . and, it's never been guns. and, uh, it's never been like this before. so people sort of. they have to adapt and people have to be honest now, and people have tried to say no for a decade now. no, this is not happening. uh, you just crazy. you far right, you crazy. you you far right, you nazis, know , you know, nazis, you you know, you know, all terms. now , all those terms. and now, because, you know, we're escalating into anarchy soon. so even people who denied the even the people who denied the current trend, they have to say , current trend, they have to say, okay, we were wrong about this. and we were naive, which is the most swedish expression. we were

naive . we didn't see this naive. we didn't see this coming. and we said, well, we're trying to warn you like 15 people over here. yeah, but we didn't sound like the didn't want to sound like the bad , so rather you bad guys, so we'd rather you know, you know, keep our mouth shut. know, you know, keep our mouth shut . and, um. and we have shut. and, um. and now we have this horrible situation. i don't know to what do. well, i'm not a political leader , i know. political leader, i know. >> i mean, but comics, i >> no, i mean, but as comics, i think do have a slight think that we do have a slight role in pushing the conversation down a little bit. but i feel, yeah, i feel in honesty about british comedians that we've absolutely failed in that role. i think that we've been cowards. yeah. and think comics haven't yeah. and i think comics haven't used that that get to used that freedom that we get to talk about these issues in a somewhat safe space to, to, to further this what's called the overton window about what it's acceptable talk about in acceptable to talk about in politics because everybody's just . just so scared. >> yeah. and you know what it's like as well. you know, you need to pay the rent . so most to pay the rent. so most comedians, you know, want to go on telly and they want to be liked. on telly and they want to be uked.so on telly and they want to be liked. so it's comedy nowadays. it's people saying it's just people saying hello. hello, right? hello, guys. are you all right? me too. do you have a great

night? are you a couple? you look you. you look lovely. thank you. you know, comedy. it'sjust know, it's not comedy. it's just people trying to be friendly. i mean, honest, you were mean, to be honest, you were just act. just doing my act. >> a little bit offended. >> i feel a little bit offended. you were quoting my act there. >> so, you know, it's a bit out of order. i know, but it's. >> it's one of your best bits. i'm sorry. thank you so much. >> so looking. >> oh, you're so good looking. yeah. genius bit, yeah. no it's the genius bit, but. do you. but do you but. yeah. do you. but do you think the wheel is think now that the wheel is turning, think the turning, do you think the more people, comics being people, more comics are being braver about this braver and talking about this stuff? >> y- w— stuff? >> inevitably i think >> you know, inevitably i think you because i mean, >> you know, inevitably i think you it's because i mean, >> you know, inevitably i think you it's like cause i mean, >> you know, inevitably i think you it's like cau overnean, again, it's like all over europe, it's chaos. and there's a lot of, you know, there's fighting streets and fighting in the streets and demonstrate . and, you know, demonstrate. and, you know, in the people planting flags the uk, people planting flags everywhere. and we had the horrible three swedish horrible murder of three swedish football in brussels . and football fans in brussels. and you know, things is just it's just crazy. and, and we don't even have to about the even have to talk about the situation. you know, situation. and you know, palestine stuff. but i mean, palestine and stuff. but i mean, it's just it's like, you know, if address if you don't address any of these i think don't these topics, i think you don't have any credibility. you can't just up on stage and just get up on stage and complain about, you air complain about, you know, air travel and, you know, crisps.

you have to address some something of what's really happening in the world, think. happening in the world, i think. i'm saying it's easy, and i'm not saying it's easy, and i understand that people sort of don't it's to write don't. but it's hard to write jokes, which topical and jokes, which are topical and edgy and clever at the same time. funny. it's really hard . time. funny. it's really hard. >> it's really hard. >> it's really hard. >> that's why just think >> that's why i just think i don't with funny don't bother with the funny stuff. >> i just leave that bit, uh, it's much easier to not do it's just much easier to not do that. yeah, but, uh , it's that. yeah, but, uh, it's interesting here. i said, interesting here. like i said, i really feel in some ways we are a little bit behind you politically with where we're at. but i think also comics still feel very reluctant to really talk about this stuff . and, and talk about this stuff. and, and certainly the comics you might think are the braver ones definitely still are not really addressing any of this , still addressing any of this, still live in fear . yeah. and, uh, no, live in fear. yeah. and, uh, no, i know, uh , it just takes i i know, uh, it just takes i mean, if you just push it a little bit, people go, oh, because people are not used to you addressing it, but the thing is, i sort of i make a joke about sweden's , uh, non—response

about sweden's, uh, non—response to these events . to these events. >> so i sort of joke about the swedish way of not dealing with it. that's fine. can joke it. and that's fine. i can joke about, know , the people about, you know, the people being scared, but if i joke about actual topics or the about the actual topics or the people do horrible things , people who do horrible things, people who do horrible things, people he's he's awful. people go, oh, he's he's awful. is he , uh, is he evil? you know, is he, uh, is he evil? you know, because everyone is sort of left leaning nice, fluffy people and they get scared and, and, you know, like, you know , if an know, like, you know, if an audience gets scared, you know, it spreads around the room and it's hard to do anything. but i mean, if more people do like one joke per set , just one topical joke per set, just one topical joke per set, just one topical joke with some kind of edgy, salty twist, think you know salty twist, i think you know you will. we will eventually open doors, i think. open a lot of doors, i think. >> so just hope >> i think so too. i just hope that british start moving that british comics start moving forward little bit and are you forward a little bit and are you going to be coming back to the uk soon? uh i think i have to, because people, people don't laugh so laugh at home anymore, so i yeah, love that's why i come. yeah, i love that's why i come. >> i'm a refugee. that's why i mean your country to. mean i mean your country to. >> oh we need more. >> oh well we need more. >> oh well we need more. >> come over and do >> uh, yeah. come over and do you find a big difference

between audience and the between the uk audience and the swedish audiences ? swedish audiences? >> yeah, but it's like it feels like. i mean, if you're doing gigs, i mean, mainly in london, but if you do gigs in but i mean, if you do gigs in the people are from all over the uk, people are from all over the uk, people are from all over the you can have the world and you can have someone someone someone from spain, someone from. a of from. it's like there's a lot of you can talk about anything. whereas home it's like whereas in back home it's like it's more, it's more. it's it's more, it's just more. it's bonng it's more, it's just more. it's boring , it's it's more, it's just more. it's boring, it's fine. i it's more, it's just more. it's boring , it's fine. i make boring, it's fine. i make a living, but it's more exciting for to make a fool of myself for me to make a fool of myself on, uh, over what i'm doing on tv. >> so it's all good. uh, tobias, so good to see you. i hope to see you in the flesh soon. i'm going to let you get back to your queen elizabeth mug. and whatever and thank whatever is in it. uh, and thank you. christmas, mate. you. and merry christmas, mate. good to see you. that was tobias person there. thank you. live from up is my from stockholm. coming up is my paper review show where we are going to be diving in tomorrow's papers. we'll see you back in

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for peace. and we see the family there. discussed that one there. we discussed that one earlier. next we're going to have the, uh, the daily, the independent prison inspector overcrowding is a ticking time bomb. we've actually seen that a few times. or variations of that . and we then are going to have the sun. all is forgiven. fergie fergie forgiven. fergie forgiven. okay, i see what they did there . very good. do we have did there. very good. do we have any more papers? is that it? that's it. there we go. well we're going to go back now to our fantastic panellists. we're going to talk about all of this, uh, stuff there. we have just seen news first seen the news for the first time. it'sjust in, time. it's just come in, let's go with the eye. go straight away with the eye. now facing new now the tories facing new general election threat from farages party. is this a big danger? it seems like a big danger? it seems like a big danger to the tories. anyway. what do you. what do you think? >> well, they have gained a lot of so therefore the of points and so therefore the it's, taking the upward it's, it's taking the upward path. but i don't think they're

quite ready yet . and, and then quite ready yet. and, and then there's the rumours about um, uh, boris joining with, um, nigel farage, which, if that is anything close to the truth, which i can't imagine it is, i think that would be the kiss of death. it would for me. i wouldn't even go near it. >> really? is that what do you think? is this desperate? what is the play here? they can't really to they're really expect to win. they're going really expect to win. they're goii it's just really expect to win. they're goiiit's just a bit baffling. you >> it's just a bit baffling. you know, you look at some of the they they've this reform they say they've this is reform uk. farage's party he's uk. i assume farage's party he's he he's got no he says that he's got no official position within it. but he's honorary president. but official position within it. but he'shis norary president. but official position within it. but he'shis noraerou;ident. but official position within it. but he'shis noraerou know. but official position within it. but he'shis norary you know of ut it's his party. you know of course richard is it's his party. you know of cou leader richard is it's his party. you know of cou leader um richard is it's his party. you know of cou leader um of hard is it's his party. you know of cou leader um of reform is it's his party. you know of cou leader um of reform uk.! it's his party. you know of cou leader um of reform uk. and the leader um of reform uk. and they already they say they've already selected candidates for the selected 440 candidates for the general election, whenever that may be. and you've seen some of the of them, you know, the footage of them, you know, over the past few years at their rallies, their conferences, rallies, at their conferences, all kind of things. all those kind of things. the candidates aren't serious people. have been people. most of them have been nicked the nicked from ukip or from the right conservative party right of the conservative party and this fantastic and there was this fantastic interview by, uh, politics. interview done by, uh, politics. joe where two of their candidates couldn't actually tell them what the difference

was between reform and the was between reform uk and the conservative party. so i think if their own candidates don't know what difference is , the know what the difference is, the party being it's party isn't worth being in. it's you know, there'll always be a vacuum for right wing parties in the know, it was vacuum for right wing parties in the and know, it was vacuum for right wing parties in the and now1ow, it was vacuum for right wing parties in the and now it's it was vacuum for right wing parties in the and now it's reform was vacuum for right wing parties in the and now it's reform uk. and ukip and now it's reform uk. and i'm sure something else will come along. but they're just not a party. they've no a serious party. they've got no serious just don't know serious plan. i just don't know why bothering. serious plan. i just don't know why i bothering. serious plan. i just don't know why i mean, 1ering. serious plan. i just don't know why i mean, whati. >> but i mean, what do you think? i mean, there's think? i mean, still, there's going threat regardless going to be a threat regardless of a project or not. of a project joe clip or not. >> possibly. depends on >> possibly. it depends on the seat makeup of the seat and the makeup of the people in that seat. if they want to rebel against the tories, they likely to tories, are they more likely to lean toward to lean towards labour towards something you labour or towards something you know, potentially more on the right is a party right now? reform is a party that quite well in polling. that does quite well in polling. but from the various by but then from the various by elections we've had, we've seen that comes to that actually when it comes to the , people aren't the ballot box, people aren't voting them way that the voting for them the way that the polls so i don't think polls suggest. so i don't think they're as of a threat as they're as much of a threat as they're as much of a threat as the suggest. um, the peter the polls suggest. um, the peter bone, presumably upcoming by—election we're going to have is going be interesting is going to be interesting because seat if

because that is a seat where if people want to rebel from the tories, actually tories, they've actually potentially more likely to go towards reform, because a towards reform, because that's a very pro brexit seat in very sort of pro brexit seat in terms of sort demographic terms of the sort of demographic tick voters. there so tick of the voters. there so that will be an interesting one to observe. and sure, there'll be, you know, much better predictions to make from the by elections that we've had than the polling where people i hear a lot of people say, yeah, i'm going to vote reform, but i think when it actually comes to the ballot box and they actually see, do they have a solid set of policies across the board rather see, do they have a solid set of policjust|cross the board rather see, do they have a solid set of policjust|croson1e board rather see, do they have a solid set of policjust|croson smallrd rather see, do they have a solid set of policjust|croson small boats?er see, do they have a solid set of policjust|croson small boats? i than just say on small boats? i think might on the think people might ere on the side caution and vote for one side of caution and vote for one of the parties. side of caution and vote for one of he parties. side of caution and vote for one off! mean, parties. side of caution and vote for one off! mean, partiebone side of caution and vote for one of t! mean, partiebone is that >> i mean, peter bone is that wellingborough seat? wellingborough is that his seat? it's, that kind of area. it's, it's that kind of area. it's, it's that kind of area. it's not really i don't think small boats is in the top ten polled issues in wellingborough, or of the or at least that section of the country. and know, country. and you know, that's reform big thing because reform uk's big thing because there's landlord. yeah pretty much we're going to stop the boats. rural boats. it's quite rural wellingborough as well. you know pig wellingborough as well. you know pig know pig farming lands. and you know reform we're reform is a big thing. we're going stop boats i'm going to stop the boats i'm going to stop the boats i'm going the migrants. going to stop the migrants. >> great policy on them.

going to stop the migrants. >> soeat policy on them. going to stop the migrants. >> soeat pcon/ on them. going to stop the migrants. >> soeat pcon wellingborough n. >> so well on wellingborough it's or maybe also 80% british. of there might of course there might be also just force, just trying to sort of force, uh, tories hand and push them a bit further maybe, i don't know. >> we'll see. we also had, uh, the we uh, the king's speech, we had, uh, the, uh, daily mail going the, uh, the daily mail going with king's christmas plea with the king's christmas plea for peace and a photo there of them. and then they had, uh, yeah. fergie as fergie is back. did you have you met fergie? do you know i have, yes. yeah. she seems like a nice person. >> i think great. >> well, i think she's great. um, she's very down um, i really do. she's very down to . i mean, she's made to earth. i mean, she's made sort of like her mistakes, but, you perfect. and you know, nobody's perfect. and i see that she's back. i like to see that she's back. i think it's i think that is all part of a almost a peace process. and let's put the past behind. and i think the relationship that she and andrew have is really fantastic. it's a good example of the marriage didn't work, but you can be very civil and you can really like each other. you don't have to love each other, but they obviously really like other obviously really like each other and for girls. and it's great for the girls. >> needs the support >> also, he needs the support that get. that he can get. >> does so right.

>> he does so right. >> he does so right. >> mean, he made appearance >> i mean, he made an appearance today at church with the today at the church with the rest the family. i mean, what rest of the family. i mean, what do that? and you do you think of that? and do you think it's too for soon him to be back into the fold? be brought back into the fold? >> he's not >> i think, well, he's not appeared of the official appeared in any of the official photos, think photos, which i think is probably move the probably a good move for the royal family their press royal family and their press team. sensible. team. i think it's sensible. it's very, very sore and it's still very, very sore and i think give him some time because he's some naughty he's he's done some naughty things. with things. he's associated with some you know, things. he's associated with son scale you know, things. he's associated with son scale of you know, things. he's associated with son scale of the you know, things. he's associated with son scale of the naughtinessnow, the scale of the naughtiness that done is for grabs. that he's done is up for grabs. you these you know, allegedly all these things. you know, things. but, um, you know, i think maybe keep the think maybe keep out the limelight, good limelight, but it's good that he's but it's he's with the family, but it's simply the key word. simply that's the key word. but it's that it's interesting that harry wasn't but he was his wasn't there, but he was his choice. i mean, that's the well, wasn't there, but he was his cho his.i mean, that's the well, not his. >> it was meghan's choice. you know, that andy's there and harry isn't. >> interesting. but >> is quite interesting. but i have whoever's fergie's have to say, whoever's fergie's publicist erase, publicist is needs to erase, because that's second front because that's the second front page on a page that she's been on in a week because on the week because she was on the sun's page a couple of sun's front page a couple of days for celebrity big days ago for celebrity big brother, now the brother, and now she's on the front page of, like, two papers today. publicist deserves today. so her publicist deserves a fantastic a bonus. i mean, fantastic work from them. >> yeah, a pr behind >> yeah, a good pr agency behind her. >> yeah, a good pr agency behind herand do think that this

>> and do you think that this has successful, uh, has been a successful, uh, christmas for the royal family? are ? and talk about them are you? and we talk about them a but i curious about a lot here, but i curious about how younger actually feel how younger people actually feel about they have about them. do they have an impact um impact on on your life? um i appreciate the royal family. >> i know there are many other young people who say, you know , young people who say, you know, trash the monarchy, get rid of. oh, you're my okay. but, um, okay. >> yeah. sorry. >> yeah. sorry. >> i think people have looked too much into the christmas message by the king saying, oh, he's got a christmas tree we don't sorry. don't like. yeah, sorry. >> you? do you think >> what about you? do you think they've christmas? they've had a good christmas? the the royal the royal family, the royal family? king charles. family? yeah. um. king charles. yes i do, the sadness being, of course, that, um. >> uh, harry and meghan aren't there because that shows it's such open wound and such a glaring open wound and that's uncomfortable i think for a lot of people. yeah >> uh. fair enough. well, look, let's leave the royal family alone. now the daily express alone. uh, now the daily express has act now to give britain hope of new year. we're talking about the interest rates here. are they going to go down then? uh, obviously, i think people want

them to go down. certainly people with mortgages that are being andy what do you being renewed. andy what do you think? is it likely or are we just to it safe a bit longer? >> who knows? honestly, who knows? it's one richie's knows? it's one of richie's pledges, isn't it, get pledges, isn't it, to get interest down, to get interest rates down, to get inflation know, it's inflation down. you know, it's one pledges that one of his pledges that he doesn't actually control. it's the that sorts the bank of england that sorts it out. so, you know, uh, i, i hope that it does. you know, it's just the economic mismanagement and the policies of the conservative government. you know, since liz truss onwards has just my onwards has just been so my understanding is that when so i should point out. >> yeah. so, um, yeah . and what >> yeah. so, um, yeah. and what about does it make any difference to you if interest rates are going go down, rates are going to go down, ingrid. or. oh yes, definitely. >> because to >> um, because it's going to encourage and it has gone encourage trade and it has gone down. but the bank of england have gotit down. but the bank of england have got it so wrong over and over and i don't over and over again. and i don't know they've so much know why they've got so much control rishi control over it. also, rishi sunak, actually have really sunak, i actually have really very respect for and very little respect for him and being one being the chancellor at one point, don't think he did point, and i don't think he did a very good job then. but if he's kind of memory of he's got any kind of memory of his chancellor days , he should

his chancellor days, he should bnng his chancellor days, he should bring that into being the pm and sort it out a bit better. but yes, terribly important yes, it's terribly important because it inspires confidence and inspires confidence in and it inspires confidence in trade and also imports. >> yeah, we're going to have to see i mean, think a lot of see i mean, i think a lot of people are pushing for a lot of people are pushing for a lot of people of desperate people to kind of desperate really. but whether it's actually happen or actually going to happen or not, that's what we're going see. that's what we're going to see. yeah. it's it's yeah. no, it's so it's interesting have uh. did you interesting to have uh. did you miss the news at all? was it nice have a day of no news? nice to have a day of no news? i haven't watched the news or read a paper for three days, and it's haven't watched the news or read a papabsolutelye days, and it's haven't watched the news or read a papabsolutely wonderful. it's been absolutely wonderful. yeah, well, talking news well, you are talking on a news channel on tv news, sir. >> i know, but i have to say, it has been really nice. >> it's because it's horrible news at the moment and i don't like it. so i want to have that positive sort of christmas feeling and, and not get sort of upset about what i'm seeing. and so it's just war, war, war death, death, death, children and families and i can't bear it. and i just think about bethlehem and all the families, the, the children who died in the, the children who died in the both sides of, um, the war

and everything tragedy. >> and we want it to be over too awful. >> and at christmas time and, you know, they're just not there. there's places missing at there. there's places missing at the table and awful. >> that is very sad. yeah. we haven't talking about some of the more tragic events that are going on. it's quite nice to actually keep it. yes somewhat local somewhat still, local and somewhat light. still, you what an hour and a 15 you know what an hour and a 15 minutes to go for christmas. that is, is not going to that stuff is, is not going to go there and uh, yeah, go away there and uh, yeah, we're going to talk a little bit now about, about um, clay, sorry , because you're my i should say you might win out of it, but you're back now, what did you think interest rates? think about the interest rates? do that they're do you do you hope that they're going up? do have going to go up? do you have a thought about it? um, i don't hope that they're going to go up. >> what i'm going to say sorry. >> what i'm going to say sorry. >> down. >> go down. >> go down. >> i don't think >> yeah. um, i don't think there's chance of them there's much chance of them going down soon because. so we've now had the confirmation that the rate going to stay that the rate is going to stay the 5.25. now, my the same. 5.25. now, my understanding is that on the committee that was deciding that you had people voting for it you had six people voting for it to three people to stay at 5.25 and three people wanting to higher. okay so

wanting it to go higher. okay so there there were there was nobody there suggesting that rates need to come down. so i think they're going to be high for time. is some for some time. there is some suggestion that around april time some movement, time we may see some movement, but then at least it seems but until then at least it seems like it's sticking. but obviously so don't don't think that your mortgage costs are going well. i just think also people might, know, people might, you know, but it's, it's boxing it's, uh, tomorrow, it's boxing day sales starting. >> might think, oh , well, >> people might think, oh, well, rates to go down rates are going to go down soon. everything fine. everything is going to be fine. yeah. don't be too wishful, yeah. and don't be too wishful, i'm afraid. quite normal. i know it's, it's a state. it's, uh, it's a sad state. i think we had a prime minister and chancellor who inspired economic, concern. and chancellor who inspired eco you ic, concern. and chancellor who inspired ecoyou know, concern. and chancellor who inspired ecoyou know, they concern. and chancellor who inspired ecoyou know, they didn't:ern. and chancellor who inspired ecoyou know, they didn't leave >> you know, they didn't leave the of england feeling . oh, the bank of england feeling. oh, no, actually, interest rates can't go down. if only we had an inspiring fiscal platform that our government on. inspiring fiscal platform that our i |overnment on. inspiring fiscal platform that our! don't ment on. inspiring fiscal platform that our! don't know, on. inspiring fiscal platform that our! don't know, sortn. inspiring fiscal platform that our! don't know, sort of like >> i don't know, sort of like who's wagging the dog, who's wagging the tail, the dog, the, , tail wagging the, you know, the tail wagging the, you know, the tail wagging the wagging tail . the dog, the dog wagging tail. and that means some government bank of england. and i think that's mess. that's a bit of a mess. >> i mean, well, the bank of england to government england responds to government fiscal policy. so i think it does lie with the government to

inspire their confidence. of inspire their confidence. but of course, england, course, the bank of england, it's been independent. what over 20 25 years. when was 20 years now, 25 years. when was it? 1997? i want to say it's gordon. first day of office. gordon. first day of office. gordon brown made bank of england independent in 1997. you know, it's been a long time for them to out the dynamic. know, it's been a long time for thenit's out the dynamic. know, it's been a long time for thenit's quite out the dynamic. know, it's been a long time for thenit's quite sad: the dynamic. know, it's been a long time for thenit's quite sad that dynamic. know, it's been a long time for thenit's quite sad that they mic. and it's quite sad that they haven't it out. haven't figured it out. >> exactly. haven't figured it out. >> it'sctly. haven't figured it out. >> it's aly. shame. >> it's a real shame. >> it's a real shame. >> but then with rishi sunak making one of his five making that one of his five pledges, it was of damned pledges, it was sort of damned if damned he if he does, damned if he doesn't. they get everything if he does, damned if he doesn' economically, everything if he does, damned if he doesn' economically, he ything if he does, damned if he doesn' economically, he can't; sorted economically, he can't really credit that. really take credit for that. i know you're saying that, you know, should more know, he should be more inspiring whatnot, but the inspiring and whatnot, but the fact lot of other fact is there are a lot of other factors play. arguably fact is there are a lot of other factors that|y. arguably fact is there are a lot of other factors that is arguably fact is there are a lot of other factors that is impacting their greater. that is impacting their decision making. and also with, um, yeah , inflation. uh, now um, yeah, inflation. uh, now going down, um , arguably that going down, um, arguably that really doesn't have anything to do with him. so when he made that one of his five pledges, it was just he was just looking at the future and going, it has to come down eventually. >> i mean, it is in part rishi and the chancellor, because we know spending and know that you're spending and

you're affecting you're taxing is affecting inflation as the inflation as well as the interest but it is quite interest rates, but it is quite embarrassing for rishi when out of his five pledges, he can only meet one of them where say, you know, it's half down to know, at least it's half down to the of england. it's a the bank of england. it's not a good look, it ? so then he good look, is it? so then he feels up with, feels the need to come up with, you five more pledges you know, five more pledges on immigration. on immigration. oh, we failed on the bring out the other. so let's bring out more i know, and it's more of them. i know, and it's just it's all going wrong and wrong and more wrong for him when said when he when he when he said those pledges, think people when he when he when he said thosthoughtes, think people when he when he when he said thosthoughtes, tweren't)ple when he when he when he said thosthoughtes, tweren't even pledges. they were just inevitable >> they were just inevitable things that going happen things that were going to happen with of time. and things that were going to happen witihere of time. and things that were going to happen witihere we of time. and things that were going to happen witihere we are, of time. and things that were going to happen witihere we are, ayf time. and things that were going to happen witihere we are, a year|e. and things that were going to happen witihere we are, a year latenj yet here we are, a year later, having the same conversation . having the same conversation. and he actually but time has not moved fast enough for him. and actually the those those, you know , like i say, the know, like i say, the immigration that's only down by a third with the boats, uh, nhs is still in a, in a state. >> well, i mean, picking a pledge like stop the boats. i mean, really he was mean, did he really think he was going it down to zero? no going to get it down to zero? no boats. always going to going to get it down to zero? no bo'judged always going to going to get it down to zero? no bo'judged as always going to going to get it down to zero? no bo'judged as aalways going to going to get it down to zero? no bo'judged as a failuregoing to going to get it down to zero? no bo'judged as a failure on 1g to going to get it down to zero? no bo'judged as a failure on that be judged as a failure on that policy. and then having these, you um , inflation you know, um, the inflation target whilst having grow the

economy as another target, it's quite hard to do both at once . quite hard to do both at once. uh, you might have to bring inflation down then grow the economy a bit more later. i mean, we can get into the nuances of that, is hard nuances of that, but it is hard to both of those pledges at to hit both of those pledges at the same time. so he gave himself a difficult task. >> problem >> and the problem is with simplistic pledges like that, they good soundbites. but they make good soundbites. but then course, remember then of course, people remember them to them. them and will hold you to them. >> stop the boat sounds >> yeah. stop the boat sounds a lot nicer. then the boat lot nicer. then bring the boat crossings but lot nicer. then bring the boat crmeans but lot nicer. then bring the boat cr means that but lot nicer. then bring the boat cr means that we're but lot nicer. then bring the boat crmeans that we're going but lot nicer. then bring the boat cr means that we're going to |t lot nicer. then bring the boat cr means that we're going to say it means that we're going to say he's failure if he doesn't he's a failure if he doesn't bnng he's a failure if he doesn't bring down to zero to stop bring it down to zero to stop the boats. that's the new slogan. boat. slogan. nearly stop the boat. that's should that's what we should go for instead. >> right? coming up, my panel share for share their nominations for their greatest britain's and union more union jackasses. more of tomorrow's after the tomorrow's papers after the break. don't go anywhere

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before headliners and more front pages have just been delivered hot off the press . i'm pages have just been delivered hot off the press. i'm joined again by my press pack. we have broadcaster and tv personality ingrid. we're going to talk about this in a second. sorry, andy mcdonald, trade unions and, uh, chloe dobbs. but looking there, we are looking at the times. we have labour plots all alternative to the rwanda asylum plan . that's going to be pretty plan. that's going to be pretty interesting what they're going to be doing that has labour actually announced a policy to do with immigration? we'll see. we have the daily telegraph and they are saying the nhs is under fire for menopause. drug lottery and for anybody with someone or who are going through the menopause themselves. that is a important story and a big deal. and we also have the guardian anti—obesity u—turns risk child health, time bomb report warns. okay, well first of all, now

this is a big story. obviously we haven't had a chance to look at any of it here, but it seems like labour are coming up with some of their own policies here. ingrid, go first. ingrid, let's go to you first. what think? what do you think? >> would love to know >> well, i would love to know what alternative rwanda what their alternative to rwanda is. know, but rwanda's is. yeah. you know, but rwanda's not going to work, so any alternative is going to be just as likely to fail. but there is alternative is going to be just arpossibilityail. but there is alternative is going to be just arpossibility itl. but there is alternative is going to be just arpossibility it might:here is alternative is going to be just arpossibility it might succeed . a possibility it might succeed. i very doubt it. i don't i very much doubt it. i don't think is going think anything is really going to we've got to go to succeed. we've just got to go grassroots. yeah. grassroots. it's. yeah. >> you think, andy? >> what do you think, andy? i mean, mean, it's interesting mean, i mean, it's interesting now they're finally of now that they're finally sort of stepping if stepping up, at least if anything, immigration is definitely becoming much of definitely becoming much more of a topic and something labour a hot topic and something labour just can't ignore. right >> absolutely. mean, >> yeah, absolutely. i mean, it's, in the top five it's, you know, in the top five issues that voters the issues that voters across the country concerned you country are concerned about, you know, party that know, any political party that hopes a government hopes to become a government like be like labour do should be tackling it. and i think they sent their shadow sent out their shadow immigration speak sent out their shadow imsometion speak sent out their shadow imsome policy speak sent out their shadow imsome policy experts speak sent out their shadow im some policy experts to speak sent out their shadow im some policy experts to .)eak sent out their shadow imsome policy experts to . i�*ak to some policy experts to. i think that's what the times is referencing. on referencing. i think i saw it on tv but um, yeah, tv earlier, but um, yeah, they've sent some of their experts don't think experts out. i don't think they've solidified yet , they've solidified a policy yet, but their ministers but they've sent their ministers and advisers out to

and their policy advisers out to consult the experts. i think what, uh, is floating at the moment is agreeing with france and european union, a set and the european union, a set mandate of a set number. so then they'll be able to once that number's reached, turn the boats around legally and i think that's is currently being . yeah. >> eh. en- 9 it says here en—l >> well it says here that it does say that they are taking the rwanda style deportation off the rwanda style deportation off the table . but then it says it's the table. but then it says it's no surprise. >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> no, it's a somewhat toxic thing that doesn't seem to be going through anyway. but it does you. yeah as you does say as you. yeah as you say, that uh , but they're say, andy, that uh, but they're also talking about these sort of off shore processing schemes, but that it kind of feels is that, that sounds the same. anyway, it sounds similar. >> i mean, we'll see as time goes on. what the meat of their suggestions actually are. but one thing to note is that until recently, labour have done much better just keeping their mouth shut. better just keeping their mouth shut . they've done well by just shut. they've done well by just not the tories, as not being the tories, and as soon as they've opening soon as they've started opening their mouths suggesting policies, they've often got themselves pickle.

themselves into a pickle. so i think last time keir starmer opened his mouth and started suggesting all gives to the tories , um, policy on the small tories, um, policy on the small boats , um, he was then accused boats, um, he was then accused of cosying up to the eu and brexiteers were scared because he wanted to closer ties with the eu to solve the problem . and the eu to solve the problem. and it didn't look very well on the papers be papers for him. so be interesting to see how whatever new he's got goes new suggestions he's got goes down, but i have a feeling he may tie into some knots. may tie himself into some knots. >> that's it. it's not an easy topic. and just very finally here we're going to just do quickly the guardian anti—obesity u—turn risks child health time this is health time bomb. this is something feel something i personally feel quite strongly about. food strategy to expose the strategy failings to expose the poorest to health problems. this is a problem and again, i don't know if it's huge , but we have know if it's huge, but we have to deal with it. surely ingrid i mean, this is this this is mean, this is this is this is as they it's a time for they say, it's a time bomb for this country's future. yes, yes, medically health wise, but also financially . financially. >> completely. >> oh, completely. >> oh, completely. >> um , and also, i mean, the >> um, and also, i mean, the thing is, i think it's more than 50% of the country is obese. and

that's not just children. that's including adults as well. but but again, you know, i am so anti pharmaceuticals now. and i just i think this is the great big thing processed food. there's still shoving processed food in there into their mouths. schools aren't really doing it jamie oliver did that thing years ago . it didn't take off. years ago. it didn't take off. that was such a perfect example. well, they don't teach children to cook at school. parents don't. able to do it. don't. aren't able to do it. everything they eat is rubbish and that has got to stop . you and that has got to stop. you can away. perfect can take that away. perfect well, there we go. >> let me introduce you after the show a little man called the show to a little man called lewis schaffer. is time lewis schaffer. well, it is time to reveal today's greatest britain and union jack. to reveal today's greatest britain and union jack . we're britain and union jack. we're going plough through this . we going to plough through this. we have, all, who going have, first of all, who is going to be the, um, who is ingrid? you're going to go first. who is your britain today? you're going to go first. who is your very, britain today? you're going to go first. who is your very, very ain today? you're going to go first. who is your very, very appropriate >> it's very, very appropriate for two reasons. it's christmas day and norwegian and i want day and i'm norwegian and i want to say thank you, norwegian government, again for the government, for again for the tree, for the tree. >> that's not going to be replanted there. andy, who's youn

replanted there. andy, who's your, um my britain your, um, my great britain nominee today is , uh, king charles. >> i think, you know, he's heard of stepped up the of him. he stepped up to the plate year with the king's plate this year with the king's speech. last year it speech. you know, last year it was bit uneven territory was a bit uneven territory following mother. following his his late mother. but he's in the but i think he's he's in the flow we've got proper flow now. we've got a proper king and chloe. >> what yourself? >> what about yourself? >> what about yourself? >> should plural >> i should make that plural greatest mine greatest britons because mine are the parkrun are all of the parkrun volunteers god, no. volunteers. oh my god, no. >> okay, king tom. very volunteers. oh my god, no. >> oivery king tom. very volunteers. oh my god, no. >> oivery quickly tom. very volunteers. oh my god, no. >> oivery quickly .'om. very volunteers. oh my god, no. >> oivery quickly . jackassy volunteers. oh my god, no. >> oivery quickly . jackass is easy. very quickly. jackass is very quickly. two words. >> oh, um, the people that complained about the little robert that came into the aldi and they wanted it put down and the controls awful . yeah. >> james cleverly for his disgusting spiking joke the other disgusting other day. disgusting >> what do you think >> chloe, what do you think i realised mine's not british. it's pro—palestine it's the pro—palestine protesters carol service. >> the f.- >> that's the easiest decision i'm going make. the i'm going to make. the pro—palestinian yes pro—palestinian marchers? yes i'll that one. easy i'll go with that one. easy peasy. thank you much. my peasy. so thank you so much. my palace. i'm going back peasy. so thank you so much. my palacetomorrow, going back peasy. so thank you so much. my palacetomorrow, gyp.m. back peasy. so thank you so much. my palacetomorrow, gyp.m. next back peasy. so thank you so much. my palacetomorrow, gyp.m. next up,k again tomorrow, 9 pm. next up, it's headlines. but me say it's headlines. but let me say thank very much for coming. thank you very much for coming. merry christmas, merry christmas, to christmas, merry christmas to all you much. all of you. thank you very much. to producers. and next up we all of you. thank you very much. to headliners. and next up we all of you. thank you very much. to headliners. goodnext up we all of you. thank you very much. to headliners. good night.) we all of you. thank you very much.

to headliners. good night. and have headliners. good night. and now i'm going to start drinking alcohol. i'm looking forward to it. care . it. take care. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , the sponsors of weather solar, the sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello there, i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather. we've had quite a wet christmas day, but the good news is that rain is clearing and for boxing day it will be much drier and brighter as this brief ridge of high pressure starts to build in. doesn't last in. however, it doesn't last long further wet weather long before further wet weather systems move in we head into systems move in as we head into wednesday. so this evening time , wednesday. so this evening time, rain still clearing the far southeast . some showery rain for southeast. some showery rain for northern ireland. southern scotland, northern england for a time, for the vast majority time, but for the vast majority overnight. it's dry with clear spells, wintry showers spells, some wintry showers continue northern parts continue across northern parts of scotland. some icy stretches here. elsewhere, temperatures lower than they have been of late, but still fairly mild across southern counties of england and wales. so it means a

bright start to boxing day. plenty of sunny spells, a chilly start, icy stretches slowly melting away across parts of scotland and then, for most, a dry, bright day. plenty of hazy sunshine , though the cloud sunshine, though the cloud thickening from the southwest through into the afternoon. outbreaks develop here. outbreaks of rain develop here. a day for everyone. a fresher day for everyone. temperatures nearer to average for two seven celsius. mild air returning across the southwest . returning across the southwest. then it's very unsettled on wednesday, outbreaks of heavy rain, strong winds push across the country, snow across the scottish hills too, and temperatures remain well above average for the time of year. some of that rain will be heavy at times and it stays unsettled through thursday and friday. further showery rain in places and temperatures above average . and temperatures above average. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . sponsors of boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on .

gb news. good evening, i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom . the gb newsroom. >> in a matter of mere moments, we'll have our headliners. but first, our top stories tonight. labour considering plans to labour is considering plans to process asylum seekers claims overseas, according to a report in the times, shadow home secretary yvette cooper and shadow immigration minister stephen kinnock have reportedly been speaking to asylum experts to draw up an alternative way to stop migrants crossing the

channelin stop migrants crossing the channel in small boats. the plan would see asylum seekers have their claims processed in a second country, with successful applicants allowed to enter the uk . labour leader sir keir uk. labour leader sir keir starmer has previously dismissed the government's rwanda scheme , the government's rwanda scheme, calling it a gimmick. conservative mp mike freer, whose constituency office was the target of a suspected arson attack, has told gb news it remains a crime scene as police continue to investigate . fire continue to investigate. fire crews were called to the building in north london on christmas eve after it was partially damaged by the blaze. the mp told us that police are examining cctv footage and he doesn't yet know when his office will be released. back to him. no one was in the building at the time of the incident . the the time of the incident. the chief inspector of prisons in england and wales is warning that there's a danger people are leaving jail far worse than when they went in. speaking to the independent, charlie taylor said that former prisoners could go on to cause , quote, mayhem