by drunk again . drunk again. >> hello . hello hello . >> hello. hello hello. >> hello. hello hello. >> who is it.7 we're here for the show . show. >> what show .7 we're filming a >> what show? we're filming a television show. this is a mediaeval castle, you silly man . mediaeval castle, you silly man. it's for besieging and sort fighting. it's not for some sort . so—called television programme . but we made arrangements .

. but we made arrangements. strange person. i am bored of you. you're your auntie . soiled you. you're your auntie. soiled her knickers and your mother was a vacuum cleaner who let us in? i spit on your gonads. you caught a wicked son of a cabbage hunter . is caught a wicked son of a cabbage hunter. is there someone else up there that i can speak to? go boil your bottom . can you throw boil your bottom. can you throw him off the ramparts, please ? him off the ramparts, please? all right . all right. oh right.

well . i thought we were getting well. i thought we were getting hugh laurie , second best. oh, hugh laurie, second best. oh, well , hugh laurie, second best. oh, well, stephen fry . stephen, it well, stephen fry. stephen, it is lovely to have you here, you silly man. it's lovely to be had here. if you want to know about cricket, because you've just become president of the mcc and he has just shown me this tie show. the tie? yes. and he claims it's an mcc tie. zoom in

to that little symbol there. it's the device that says mcc, marylebone cricket club. is it that 1200in roman numerals? yes i mean, you have to be a member to get that. yes. you buy it from the members shop at lord's. so tell me about cricket, because it's all change ing and it's a beautiful, beautiful game. it's the still the only game. it's the still the only game that is very like the one i used to watch in western supermarine clarence park in 1948. well, that's because we are guardians of the law, the laws of cricket , the mcc are the laws of cricket, the mcc are the games have rules, cricket has laws . but each tournament will laws. but each tournament will have its regulations. like where the fielders can be. how far from the bat and so on. but there are laws of cricket which are same in on a beach in are the same in on a beach in west indies or in a slum in mumbai with stickball or in a village in england or in weston super mare. those are the laws of cricket . i mean, yes, it is

of cricket. i mean, yes, it is the same game, but it's like a lot of british institutions as it's sent its footprint abroad footprint abroad . yes. and has footprint abroad. yes. and has been reinterpreted and often improved upon or at least enhanced in different ways. very proud. the other day when afghanistan beat sri lanka , i afghanistan beat sri lanka, i thought this is an incredible the reach that this and it's getting wider and wider. it's the second most popular sport in the second most popular sport in the world and by quite a long way, obviously. one is football is the first. yeah and a lot of thatis is the first. yeah and a lot of that is to do with the fact that it's so well , it's the third it's so well, it's the third religion in india. it's so well, it's the third religion in india . yeah. they religion in india. yeah. they call it the third religion. absolutely crazy about it. and obviously india is about to overtake china as the country with the largest population in the world. so that kind of skews the world. so that kind of skews the statistic a bit. but it's the statistic a bit. but it's the most popular sport in nepal. and i'm a patron of the mcc foundation , and our aim is to foundation, and our aim is to spread cricket around the world as much as possible. are you

going to get into south america? yes that is yeah, that's our next thing. it's not really there. i mean, there's a bit in guyana, of course, we had mark ramprakash and others and who have, you know, sort of ancestors from there. and guyana provides the west indies with cricketers. it's caribbean, true, but yeah, we want to if you can find a flat bit and but it's yeah. rwanda, kenya yeah. recently the foundation went to the lebanon and taught syrian refugees who are penned up in camps with nothing to do at all but turned to kind of crime and misery and upset and to teach the girls and boys in particular. it's fantastic because a lot of these countries are countries in which girls have low expectations of their lives as far as education, property rights and so on are concerned . and if you can get concerned. and if you can get girls and boys playing cricket together, it's absolutely wonderful. there comes an age

when they'll separate out into a girls boy and a boys team. but when they're young, it helps the boys respect and like the girls spreading into the middle east. yes, it is. and i suppose we can also talk of the terrorism middle east. speaking on a middle east. we're speaking on a day who knows going to day who knows what's going to happen when actually is happen when this actually is broadcast. but we're speaking on a when they announced this a day when they announced this to me, diabolical news about golf, which is a game i love as well. and the saudi arabian influence in it . it's all money. influence in it. it's all money. yeah. so because this is a free speech haven, i can talk about the facts behind this with because it's the only the strongest words will do sometimes the hypocrisy i know worse one. but i will tell you, i. i'd love to hear it. no i'll write it. i've got it out of my system now. that's the main thing. but no, it does upset me. you know , and the history of you know, and the history of what saudi arabia has done in the last 5 or 6 years and now to be i know it's a cliche word,

but sportswashing is essentially it. yeah. and the chances are by the time you're watching this, that lionel messi will be playing for saudi arabia , as playing for saudi arabia, as well as cristiano ronaldo and others. it's amazing . what money others. it's amazing. what money will do is i mean, when you think that london was the number one centre for the laundering of russian dirty money, i mean , it russian dirty money, i mean, it didn't make me feel proud. no they called it boris stan for a time. yeah when none of us entirely we wide eyed and naive about the world. we know that the world. and it has always been the case that money talks. and. and and that everybody has a price to some extent . you know a price to some extent. you know what napoleon said ? no, go on, what napoleon said? no, go on, he said the surprising thing is not that every man has his price, although it is. yes yes. i would have said this. how low it is. i think that's hilarious . it is. i think that's hilarious. i've always thought the greatest power of human being can have in negotiations , whether it's as an

negotiations, whether it's as an actor in like in a film as minor as that, or in a huge boardroom way, the greatest power you can have is the power to walk away. yeah, to just be able to say, no, that's not for me. and go. but i know some people in business who will say that the first thing you sense when you sit round a table say about the sale of a company or the, you know, the going public, you know, the going public, you know, the going public, you know, the share offering is you instantly know the greedy ones and they're the ones you want to have nothing to do with who are in it to make money. and it, you know, i am in that sense very naive in the in the early , early naive in the in the early, early 90s, late 80s when i was aware that the internet was going to happen and i became very excited by it. and through the 90s i became very excited by it. and we have lots of meetings with people who had ideas, us and the really good ones wanted had to make something extra ordinary, you know, like an artist or a

craftsman like someone who just wanted to make a better pair of shoes or make a better table . shoes or make a better table. just the pleasure, the fun , the just the pleasure, the fun, the fulfilment of it, and then you started to notice because as the internet caught fire, that people were in it to make money, that the first thing they wanted to do was to build a service or a piece of software that they could immediately sell to you know, bill gates or to somebody else. and then it got worse. it got. it got worse. yeah there's a word. and this is in a sense, what saudi arabia is doing with sport is the darkest word of our era , i think is the word disrupt era, i think is the word disrupt in its sounds simple. it's just the latin for break, break, break down, break up, break into pieces to disrupt . like you pieces to disrupt. like you interrupt, you break into someone's conversation and you get a rupture. it's a break. and so on. so in two thousand and

seven, when facebook was beginning to take off of mark zuckerberg famously said that the motto of facebook is move fast and break things . and this fast and break things. and this was considered a heroic new stance. these young people were coming in. they were breaking up the way the world was . and they the way the world was. and they were making huge sums of money out of it. they were inventing new ideas and they were sweeping away everything from the past . away everything from the past. and so you disrupt the bread and breakfast space with airbnb, you disrupt , breakfast space with airbnb, you disrupt, kept breakfast space with airbnb, you disrupt , kept the breakfast space with airbnb, you disrupt, kept the car hire and taxi services with uber, you disrupt, you disrupt and you disrupt. and we're now living in a broken world because things have been disrupted and they've not been replaced , not with not been replaced, not with anything like and they've been disrupted people who just disrupted by people who just just want to be very , very rich. just want to be very, very rich. yes. and not to do one thing super ably. well and the

betrayal to me, the betrayal, the hypocrisy, whatever the word is, that somehow we believed in the 90s and early 2000 that these guys in jeans and t shirts were just kind of, you know , were just kind of, you know, gentle, sweet people who wanted the world to be better . and we the world to be better. and we now know that in orwell's magnify that image, the pigs are now wearing trousers , you know, now wearing trousers, you know, you know, the end of animal farm. they look through and they see the pig. yes and it's all come round and. and you realise these are worse in terms of their fierce greedy . but can you their fierce greedy. but can you have you ever understood why why people want to be so rich? we all want to be able to have a better bottle of wine or we all want to have a nice car or maybe a slightly bigger house. but i

think the point of being very rich is to be able to tell people that you are very rich . people that you are very rich. essentially, i think it is a display . it's very fashionable display. it's very fashionable these days to look into genetics and ancestry and to picture our ancestors was in a cave or in a field or hunting and gathering. and we know that some some part of being human is acquisition is territorial acquisition. and whether it's land building a castle like this as a display as well as a defence and money is a defence as well as display, it protects you from everything in the world as a castle. why such huge sums of it? i don't the world as a castle. why such huge sums of it ? i don't know. the world as a castle. why such huge sums of it? i don't know. i suppose when you get a huge sum competitive with each other. that's point . going to that's the point. i was going to say. join sort of club in say. you join a sort of club in which you know , people in the which you know, people in the suburbs might say they've got a better lawnmower than i have. i'm going to have to upgrade my lawnmower. i'm going to have to

upgrade my strimmer and all the sort of suburbia things is keeping up with the joneses. we call it. it's a very we've talked about that all our lives. we know it as phenomenon , but we know it as a phenomenon, but you scale it up, you simply scale up and we know this is scale it up and we know this is true. i mean, i can still picture the moment when i was nine and i found an old macintosh, an old raincoat . macintosh, an old raincoat. people used to wear them. yeah and it had a ten shilling note in it . and the joy , the absolute in it. and the joy, the absolute joy - in it. and the joy, the absolute joy . now what you can't do in it. and the joy, the absolute joy. now what you can't do is scale that joy up. if if i then found a £100,000 in a coat, i would be astonished. yeah. i would be astonished. yeah. i would go, wow . but i wouldn't would go, wow. but i wouldn't be. well, ten shillings is half a pound, so i wouldn't be 200,000 times happier than when i found that £10 note. but people think it's more is better . they do absolutely . alcoholics . they do absolutely. alcoholics think more is better. yeah. yeah but there are many aspects of

humanity where we are bound if we're honest to inspect ourselves, to say, i get that, i feel like that. but also i don't feel like that. but also i don't feel like that. i've always been very lucky with alcohol, for example. i do like a drink, i like wine, but i know i could never be an alcoholic . i just never be an alcoholic. i just don't like it enough. i don't like feeling sick. i don't like having the having to cope with the responsibility of apologising. the next day , if i've been the next day, if i've been drunk, i don't like the fact that i might get a bit argumentative. and so i just, you know, could never an you know, could never be an alcoholic, be lots alcoholic, but i could be lots of other that i do of other things that i do recognise faults in. and similarly with money. i mean, i like having enough money. i'll be honest, to turn left on an aeroplane. i think it's the most i still get excited by it. i still think, oh my goodness, i'm going first class and i love it. i mean, i just love it and it's a disgrace. and i know i shouldn't and i try and do this awful word carbon offsetting and use the key word. enough, enough . exactly. a sense of enough . so

. exactly. a sense of enough. so these very rich people have no sense of enough life. yeah, yeah . can you. do you understand it? i mean , it's an illness, isn't i mean, it's an illness, isn't it? it is an illness. and i. i wrote a sort of autobiography about myself which tried to address my propensity to overdo things myself, but not. not in money terms. but i noticed that from the. i was the same. i was what is awful generational wars. you know, you say baby boomer and millennial and i just want to throw up when i hear all this. i'm sort of late imperialist. what exactly ? i imperialist. what exactly? i mean, it just seems so weird . mean, it just seems so weird. but anyway, i am a baby boomer and the technical sense . and so and the technical sense. and so i was born in the same year as sugar puffs. the cereal, right? so i should never forget that i was of a generation for whom television advertising was first directed towards me when i was young to eat sugar puffs and ricicles and frosties and sugary

things . and i went to a school things. and i went to a school which had a tuck shop, you know, and a little boarding school. and there were things like sherbet fountains with sherbet in it, white powder that you, you, you sucked in through a liquorice straw and, and they even extraordinarily had old spanish galleon rolling tobacco , spanish galleon rolling tobacco, which was coconut shreds . but it which was coconut shreds. but it was done exactly like a rolling tobacco packet that you would see. you'd see grown ups using and you would have a pipe made of liquorice and you would have cigarettes with red tips on the end, which were candy cigarettes. do you remember all these sweets? well, you're probably a generation older. you didn't have quite. no, was didn't have quite. no, there was a you were being a they were. so you were being prepared tobacco prepared for cocaine and tobacco , you were given , essentially. you were given white powder and tobacco. and i never could eat enough of that. and i would break out of school bounds, go to the village shop and buy all the fruit salads and black jacks and foamy shrimps

and little rice paper flying saucers and stuff. myself i couldn't eat them and i got teeth missing here because of it. and then when i was a teenager, there was still so i. i had this empty hole in me, this vast empty hole that said feed me . i need this sugar , this vast empty hole that said feed me. i need this sugar , i feed me. i need this sugar, i need it. and then when it wasn't sugan need it. and then when it wasn't sugar, it became tobacco. and i smoked. and then in my 20s it became cocaine . it became that became cocaine. it became that i just and i couldn't sit still without going, you know? and it's that addictive impulse that many people , many people many people, many people watching will know what i mean. i many people won't because this is the important thing to remember. as i say, not everybody has this. and it's a kind of addictive gene. and i guess money have it guess the money people have it for there's hole for money. there's this hole in them. they to acquire and them. they have to acquire and they to own and they don't they have to own and they don't know how to fill it. no and they think if i had another 500 million, i'd be happier. yes.

well, this is it. one of the things you know a lot about psychotherapy and things like that. and one of the things that always maddened me about self—help books and books on there is, is the ones that start off with goal orientation and set yourself goals. and i think it's the most dangerous and despicable, inimical thing imaginable because i don't know a human being who , when they a human being who, when they reaches a goal, they've set themselves, isn't dissatisfied. absolutely always an anti—climax. and you have to, you many of the you know, it's so many of the nobel prize winners get very depressed when they win the nobel prize. i couldn't imagine exactly . because. because what exactly. because. because what do they do next? yeah and apparently the chess apparently the great chess players always get very depressed after the huge energy . depressed after the huge energy. so like these guys here, i can see there they are. they're getting to the end of their game, though. i can see. yes. one of them's got two queens. yeah .

before the agricultural revolution and someone from that era. and we would have babies.

you know, we are the same species. yeah, same. yeah. and then we didn't work. this idea of work agricultural thing meant we had to stay in one place and suddenly peasants became, you know, subject to the people on horseback and class and hierarchy was established. but, but it's coming again because of artificial intelligence. there will be much less need to work. and there's always this problem . and there's always this problem. i've been i've been thinking about artificial intelligence since the 80s because i used to get very excited by this man, marvin minsky , who was the often marvin minsky, who was the often called the father of ai and i used to read his essays and books and things and his forecasts haven't proved very. no, no, they haven't yet. but his analysis of what intelligence is and what it might be, i think was interesting. and one of my heroes, richard feynman , who i'm heroes, richard feynman, who i'm sure you know, the great physicist and he made a terribly

good point about when someone asked him whether artificial intelligence would come and whether machines would think like us. and he said, no, they won't think like us. they will never think like us. when we make machines, we make them to do don't do, not do things we don't do, not things already so for things we already do. so for example, we can run. but when we make a bicycle , we make make a bicycle, we make something that is totally different . that goes a bit different. that goes a bit faster actually. but it can't. i mean, the perfect example is a cheater. that's the fastest land animal. it goes around 70 miles animal. it goes around 70 miles an or something, isn't it? an hour or something, isn't it? well, can't begin and we well, we can't begin and we wouldn't even think of trying to imitate make a machine like a cheetah. it would be ridiculous . cheetah. it would be ridiculous. so instead, we invent a wheel and then eventually engine and then eventually an engine that the wheels. and that can push the wheels. and it's nothing a cheetah , but it's nothing like a cheetah, but it's nothing like a cheetah, but it go faster than a cheetah . it can go faster than a cheetah. so it's our version. and similarly, with intelligence, we won't it. human won't try and imitate it. human intelligence. we will find , as intelligence. we will find, as we beginning to do , we will we are beginning to do, we will find ways of assembling and sorting data which isn't really intelligence, but it produces

results that are way beyond us. just as a car produces his results way beyond a cheetah . results way beyond a cheetah. but it's a different sort of achievement. but it will do. i mean, i think governments are beginning to get wise to this . beginning to get wise to this. the ubi , the universal basic the ubi, the universal basic income is the thing that we're trying out in this country now in two regions in finland, they've tried it out in the whole country, essentially the money that artificial saves in terms of labour costs , white terms of labour costs, white collar labour costs as much as blue, that that money goes into giving everybody an income . giving everybody an income. yeah. so they don't have to work . and then how did it work in finland? i think it worked well. finland? i think it worked well. finland is still the happiest country on earth, so it can't have much harm. i mean, have done too much harm. i mean, it's will anything, it it's it will like anything, it will change and develop and but, you know, the cynics say i did a

lecture on al about seven years ago, hay on wye , and i talked ago, hay on wye, and i talked about the possibility of a universal basic income and things like that. and a lot of people asked the question, so are you saying that we've all got to become poets and potters and painters and artists and i said, well, no, although that would be quite pleasing. it obviously isn't particularly viable. who's going to buy the wretched stuff that we make? but we do have to think about what people will do. we have this sense that there is idleness and that idleness is a terrible thing, but actually , if you read thing, but actually, if you read bertrand russell's famous essay on idleness, which i'm sure you know, maybe , maybe it's a very a know, maybe, maybe it's a very a very wonderful thing and will yield enormous fruit, wonderfully, wonderfully liberating for everyone . yes. liberating for everyone. yes. once they get used to the fact that they have to find out what they're interested in. yeah. when i first went to america, i

was fascinated by how important work was was and i came back after about a year and a half, and i remember getting on a tube with the evening standard and there was a piece in it by air, one of the great philosophers. yes, the logical positivist. remember that? what he was saying was that the first people who went off to america, new england, were the puritans. and when they sort of sat down and said, well , what could we do? said, well, what could we do? they said, well , shall we have a they said, well, shall we have a dance? no, we can't do that. no theatre. and what else could we do? we played cards. no that's not allowed. so in the end, the only thing they could really do was work out. and i've still see a very strong puritan streak in america , hugely between good and america, hugely between good and bad . i mean, i don't like bad. i mean, i don't like smoking and i'd rather it didn't. but the savage with which the non—smokers will persecute the smokers is just stew cupid. yeah. so what? is

there anything there in that ? there anything there in that? what were you talking about with work? i mean, in fact, can't we just play cricket or read books and will be wonderful? the trouble is, i personally have been poisoned by the work ethic in that i am addicted to it. i have above my desk a quotation from noel coward, which is work is more fun than fun. an and i've been very lucky to find that so and if i have a day off because you're doing something thatis because you're doing something that is enjoyable, it really enjoyable. i mean there's two, three types of work. there's work you hate and then there's work you hate and then there's work you hate and then there's work you love. and then there's work you love. and then there's work where you like bits and don't like other bits and so you try to do as much of the things you like and as little as the things you don't like. but it's all that. but if you love all like that. but if you love your work, why would you want to stop? you can. stop? exactly. if you can. presumably the new problem is, well, you what do you well, what do you what do you count exactly what count as work? exactly what i count as work? exactly what i count work other people

count as work other people wouldn't. of people would wouldn't. a lot of people would say that going wouldn't. a lot of people would sa' retire that going wouldn't. a lot of people would sa' retire or that going wouldn't. a lot of people would sa' retire or how that going wouldn't. a lot of people would sa' retire or how fabulous going wouldn't. a lot of people would sa'retire or how fabulous i'm»ing wouldn't. a lot of people would sa'retire or how fabulous i'm no to retire or how fabulous i'm no longer working. can garden. i longer working. i can garden. i would rather eat my own legs would i'd rather eat my own legs than dig and fork and be a monty don. but he obviously enjoys it. and lots of people do. and they wouldn't like doing the things i do, you know, writing and things. as you know, writing is agony. things. as you know, writing is agony . i mean, absolute agony. agony. i mean, absolute agony. people sorry for the people i feel sorry for the businessmen because they really are motivated by money. now, when you give them all the money that they could have earned if they'd worked hard, they're to going in a terrible position . going be in a terrible position. you're talking about is very interesting because in philosophy , he and his fellow philosophy, he and his fellow vienna school, you know, the scientists types basically felt that that ethics as a branch of philosophy had died. it was no longer a particularly interesting it was you could teach it in universities, you know, and things you know. but then technology by biotechnology

as well as the internet and other things have meant now that people can leave university with a master's or a doctorate in ethics and they'll get a six figure opening salary at big corporate chains because ethics is at the heart of the problems that we're talking about. how do you decide what is an ethical well, artificial intelligence ? well, artificial intelligence? how do you decide what is an ethical way to lay people off work and to keep them happy? corporations are studying this really seriously . they're trying really seriously. they're trying to i mean, there has been a wave of in silicon valley of firing in silicon valley lately, and some ethicists have gone. but i remember seeing a berkeley university. you have to say that obviously the pronunciation in berkeley , you pronunciation in berkeley, you know what a graduate is called, a berkeley is probably. but there was a philosophical quarterly from berkeley magazine and it just said at the top philosophy , no longerjust at

philosophy, no longerjust at a stylish route to poverty question mark suddenly it was becoming the hottest discipline in in universities philosophy . in in universities philosophy. and it is exciting because there is so much to think about and all of us are free to do that. are the bill gates thinking about it? he does. he does . about it? he does. he does. metaphor man, i think. isn't he ? metaphor man, i think. isn't he? but the ones who really spend all this money trying to get into space on their own rockets. well they follow a branch of philosophy that is not very academically fashionable or or admired, which is objectivism, which is the philosophy of ayn rand. you know , the sort of rand. you know, the sort of libertarian philosophy of the fountain head and atlas shrugged, which are more popular now than in her own time. peter thiel, for example , who's a very thiel, for example, who's a very powerful investor and all kinds of things, he's a great admirer of things, he's a great admirer of ayn rand. and there's a new philosophy called longtermism , philosophy called longtermism, which sounds rather admirable. we've always thought the bad thing about politics is it's so

short term, but this is a totally different thing. this regards future humanity regards the future of humanity in , if not thousands of in hundreds, if not thousands of years is the most important thing can think about. years is the most important thing can think about . and a thing we can think about. and a few well , a few thing we can think about. and a few well, a few pandemics and diseases and climate change are pinpricks in in the long history . after all, the ice age wiped us, most of us out. but but in it gave a small cadre of surviving humans the chance to become our ancestors and they think very hard about that. and they're, you know, there's a lot of paranoid fear that that's why, you know, musk and bezos and people are wanting to go to mars or is it they know the earth is absolutely do ahead because the image i have is we are children playing on the beach. yes. making sandcastles with our back to the sea and on the sea , various currents are the sea, various currents are combining . they are, for example combining. they are, for example

, bioaugmentation brain machine interfacing, which is something elon musk is doing where you interface with a computer and a computer with you. so it reads your thoughts and you can control with your mind. if control it with your mind. if you like robotics itself , you like robotics itself, quantum computing and artificial intelligence of different kinds is new materials , nano is new materials, nano nanomaterials. and so on. all of these technologies which are transformative on their own , not transformative on their own, not to mention genomics and gene editing are like separate swells in the ocean that are combining to make a giant, gigantic tsunami and as i say, we are playing on the beach wondering about little things, you know, like this particular strike or whether what names we call ourselves, what our identities are. there are these tiny little issues that we are obsessed. what's the tsunami? the tsunami is the combination, the confluence of all these technologies, all all changing each other. so you mean life will be transformed in a way we

can't begin to guess at? yes all right. let me ask you this question. yeah. the lot of social media is just awful, people being unbelievably nasty to people. if you post something on social media, surely it would be very . easy to have an be very. easy to have an identification on on that post, which would tell you who'd posted it, which would shame people into posting a lot of the nastiest stuff . yes. why don't nastiest stuff. yes. why don't they do it ? well, in the case of they do it? well, in the case of twitter, you know, musk is a libertarian free speech absolutist. he calls himself. and i think he would regard any regulation which enforced something like that , a denial of something like that, a denial of anonymity and the right to anonymity. the denial of anonymity. the denial of anonymity. i agree with you . anonymity. i agree with you. you're not forcing it on people. what you're saying is if you want to post something, you have to tell people who you are. i

think it's a mixture of genuine sense that they want it to be a free space where people can comment without being got at for example, because the problem is , example, because the problem is, you know, you might you might express a view in some of the hot button issues of today. you might express a view on gender and something like that. and you will get on upon on both sides . will get on upon on both sides. it doesn't matter which side , it doesn't matter which side, but that's the problem about expressing a view anyway. well, it is it is. and so anonymity gives a sort of confidence to some, but the confidence to terrible people as we know, it's a disaster . terrible people as we know, it's a disaster. yeah. and i'm of course, i put things on twitter as you do . i, i used to. you as you do. i, i used to. you don't anymore. no no. i'm afraid once mr musk got there , i just once mr musk got there, i just felt. no. and this is why you mustn't believe anything i say about the future. because i believed when in two thousand and seven, when i joined twitter and seven, when i joined twitter and it was just starting, i believe that it would melt away boundanes believe that it would melt away boundaries and divisions and the old problems and that we would

all be brothers and sisters . the all be brothers and sisters. the problem with technology is there are always good people who will use it for good reasons and then there are rather bad people who will use it for bad reason. yes and that's true of everything that's ever been invented. i look the gutenberg first look at the gutenberg first printing press and you look at it that is capable of printing the poems of john keats or mein kampf. it doesn't know any different. no. so there's mein kampf. kchung every invention has a good and a bad yes. has no beginning . everyone's so excited beginning. everyone's so excited about it. they only see the positive. that's right. the technology itself has no i think the technical term would be no moral valency. yes you know .

artificial intelligence is always seemed to me the great

problem in science is if you can't measure something, you think it can't be scientific science is about measuring things , right? and sometimes things, right? and sometimes they invent things like behaviourism , which is all about behaviourism, which is all about the business of being able. yeah right. to measure things. yes and not about anything else. of any interesting sort. right. almost everything that goes on in here, which is very, very hard to measure. yes it is very hard to measure. yes it is very hard to measure. yes it is very hard to quantify. and since human beings robbed of their emotions by an accident, unable , emotions by an accident, unable, able to cope, despite the fact they're completely logical still because they don't have emotions helping them to make a decision on how does that apply to. i don't we wouldn't if it's going to really take over our wouldn't we have to give it an emotional range to motivate it , which we

range to motivate it, which we have no chance of giving it? well, again, i would return to that point of feynman's that we would do something that was like an equivalent. would do something that was like an equivalent . what we have now an equivalent. what we have now has been brilliantly described by critics as not intelligent or anything remotely like intelligence, a stochastic parrot, right, is the phrase thatis parrot, right, is the phrase that is used of the kind of chat gpt four and these kinds of thing that have become very popular. they are essentially probably mystic guess at what the next it thought should be based on its ability to access a vast corpus of data , which vast corpus of data, which depends on there being such a thing as the internet that has this data electronically available. all of the speed of light except . and so the next light except. and so the next step , artificial general step, artificial general intelligence as it's known, would that require sentience , a would that require sentience, a sense of self consciousness ? sense of self consciousness? would would the system be aware that it was a system ? of course, that it was a system? of course, at the moment it parrots that it's aware. i cannot answer that

question because i am just a large language model. it says when you ask it something, you know, delicate , this is when know, delicate, this is when people are worried about what's called the singularity, when it suddenly becomes aware of itself and whether this would give it and whether this would give it an actual emotion in the way that our brains emotions or that our brains have emotions or an electronic equivalent, that's to say, a sort of need of some kind, a need to do something, a need to make itself something that it isn't, because is in a sense that's the human not even an animal thing. i mean, you look at these lovely animals and what one of the things we love about animals, i think, is that they don't wake up in the morning feeling terrible about yesterday how they let yesterday and how they let themselves down. you know, a tree spends 100% of its tree frog spends 100% of its time being a tree frog. it's a human spends living in the present. yes. they're living in. my present. yes. they're living in. my daughter's just acquired a complete blind dog . i have complete blind dog. i have a friend with it and it's ecstatically happy now . and it's

ecstatically happy now. and it's wonderful because it doesn't wake up in the morning thinking, i wish i wake up in the morning thinking, iwish i had wake up in the morning thinking, i wish i had a couple of hours or i wish i was a cat. you know? i mean, we as humans, to we wish be other things all the time. we are just so dissatisfied with ourselves , teach us so much. ourselves, teach us so much. these they do . and these things they do. and i think of pets is that think the value of pets is that they bring us into the present, that when stroked a cat or that when we're stroked a cat or playing with a dog , we're playing with a dog, we're totally in the present, which is we're happiness, lies. it is. it is right. is absolutely right. i'm thinking of damasio. do you remember damasio antonio damasio's book about the guy who'd had his who had a perfectly logical brain? that's right. but he couldn't make any decisions because his emotions , decisions because his emotions, all intelligence had been rendered him. so i'm saying if it's going to if they're going to take over the world for us, they have to develop an emotional intelligence which will tell them how to do that and . no, no. think and motivate. no, no. i think that's like saying a car has to develop legs. if it's going to be like cheetah. the point be like a cheetah. the point is, it be ever a cheetah, it won't be ever like a cheetah, but it will go faster. but it's

style of going forward is not legs, but similarly, a computer style of sentience wouldn't need to imitate a human one just as a car doesn't need to imitate a cheetah or indeed a human. you don't. and a robot won't be a walking android type thing unless we want that for fun. but you know, that's not the way it needs to be. sometimes you imitate nature . of course, imitate nature. of course, people love to imitate geckos for sticking things all the rest of it in nature. obviously has had millions of years to practise and fail and practise and fail and practise and fail. but the basic rule of computers is, am i right or is this old fashioned shut in, out ? fashioned shut in, shut out? yes. go garbage in. garbage out. was the polite way of putting it. how can they go beyond what we put in them? well, they look elsewhere . that's one of the elsewhere. that's one of the things the internet has done, is that we don't put anything into that. it goes out and looks for it we it look, oh, i it. we tell it to look, oh, i see. it's scanner to look. it

scans the world of data and not to look for anything in particular. no, exactly. not to look anything particular. i mean at the moment you have to remember that what you're looking at now, let's say looking at now, now is let's say chat gpt four, which is the sort of publicly available second version of the open ai bot, as they like to call it. that is like looking at karl benz car in 1895. john impressive. look at that poop, poop, poop. it can go ten miles an hour. it's amazing what it will be next year and the year after. and in ten years time , look at what the motor car time, look at what the motor car became. look at how it transformed everything about our lives and our cities and our countries. because the people inventing a lot of people who motivate wanted to make them better. and also , you have to better. and also, you have to remember an enormous number of people who loved their horses , people who loved their horses, looked at it and said, it's pathetic. it'll never catch on. it's been said , i mean, it's been said, i mean, i remember i first had no get remember when i first had no get all that and there's a human if

you if the cars are improving it's because there's some human who wants to make them better. yes. so i'm where does that emotion i want to do this for some reason come from. if he can't make a decision , if our can't make a decision, if our emotional faculties are not tasked to make itself better , tasked to make itself better, it's tasked it's tasked to make itself better. yeah even the ones we have now, things like chess. there's no element of the human mind . and there in chess. human mind. and there in chess. so you can always come up with a computer that will beat a man eventually . yes, because its eventually. yes, because its memory is better and it can play all these games and find out what works, what doesn't work. yes. you got that? yes but yes. so you got that? yes but when dealing with things when you're dealing with things with there's an element of the human emotion involved in order to create a decision. the point is it's artificial intelligence. we're not making human intelligence in a machine. we are making artificial intelligence. no, but i'm asking you, is it limited? is it

limited in what it what can achieve ? because it can't decide achieve? because it can't decide tried to do something because it wants to? yes. probably limited in that it will we hope that it will remain something that takes instruction action. we hope so. yeah. that it won't say i want to paint a ceiling and then produces something better than the chapel because the sistine chapel because i have a need to do it. but but, but given the exponential way it will improve, improve itself, write code to improve itself and continue to improve that. i understand, given that it's very hard to make a stable and safe prediction . last question. yeah, prediction. last question. yeah, cricket . yes. actor cricket . cricket. yes. actor cricket. there you are. what was the point of the hundred? we've got 20 overs, which is 120 balls. now somebody says, no, we'd be better if we only had 100 balls. do we got to go slowly down till

the match has been pared down to about 30 balls for each innings , about 30 balls for each innings, right? yeah. and then all the rest of the time we can watch rockets going off and it's money. of course it is money. it's advertising going, it's getting people in the ground . getting people in the ground. and what's the difference between 100 and 20 balls and 101 hundred? it seems not much, but sometimes these things do make a difference. i personally not a huge fan of the 100. some people i know who are real cricketers and absolute lovers of the game. i think it's a fantastic innovation. was innovation. i thought it was cricket people who didn't cricket for people who didn't like cricket. well, it's introduce don't like introduce people who don't like cricket cricket then see cricket to cricket and then see maybe it's a gateway drug . it's maybe it's a gateway drug. it's not a game, it's a marketing exercise. right? kind of, yes. i mean, i'm afraid that's the way things go because. because grounds might otherwise be empty and so the only way you can fill them is to mark it the game. you can't. you can't expect them. i love test matches and i loved the county championship by people of our generation do. but

i think have to be realistic i think we have to be realistic about people about getting younger people into they want to spend into it and they want to spend an evening having fun in kind of in the way americans go to a baseball game. and i know it sounds terrible to imitate no, no, another another american institution. yes. it's for people with limited attention span , if you like. that may well span, if you like. that may well be your sweetie to come. bless you, dear man. i'm sure i've talked nonsense, but it's been enormous fun to edit you very, very heavily . yeah. no, it's very heavily. yeah. no, it's great. it really is. it's been fabulous to chose any one of those cats you like and take it with you. tell me . would i. with you. tell me. would i. would . and now time for a song. would. and now time for a song. >> they say that life is fleeting. like some shoddy central heating . central heating. >> first your toast. they >> first your toast. they >> then you're mostly in the

cold. >> there are some who say it's ruthless that we end up bald and toothless. >> but who admits the benefits of getting old and mother nature is a pensioner and though we shouldn't mention her, she carries on as though she is gone berserk . berserk. >> we aspire to this endeavour that will peace will reign forever . but how can it when the forever. but how can it when the planet doesn't work like . planet doesn't work like. i can't wait for the apocalypse ? can't wait for the apocalypse? the atmospheric esoteric whistle stop eclipse? there's a cost of living crisis. peppa pig is joining isis. there's all to live for. >> so we're ready to die . >> so we're ready to die. >> so we're ready to die. >> i can't wait for the apocalypse. what kind of blunt

and jubilant atomic clock is this ? yes. there is no second this? yes. there is no second coming, just a bog with lousy plumbing. >> we don't need a horoscope to certify that the end of the world is nigh nigh. >> nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh . nyeh >> nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh. nyeh nyeh nyeh. it is quite alluring and to me it's reassuring that the bunfight over sunlight is adjourned . oblivion is jolly. adjourned. oblivion is jolly. there's no need to bring a brolly for extinct factions. >> a distinction to be yearned . >> a distinction to be yearned. it's quite common for an earthling to expect a fresh rebirth ing re—embark as joan of arc or mao tse dong. >> but if you dream of emerging on a cloud of native virgins, when you signed out, you will find out you were wrong .

find out you were wrong. >> hey , i can't wait for the >> hey, i can't wait for the apoca lips. >> the fine and dandy cotton candy lollipop eclipse. there are demons, swinging axes , but are demons, swinging axes, but at least you won't pay taxes . so at least you won't pay taxes. so bnng at least you won't pay taxes. so bring on armageddon cause we're ready to fly high. i can't wait for the apocalypse . a final for the apocalypse. a final pucker from the with the proper lips . let the universe be lips. let the universe be blasted . it was spiffing while blasted. it was spiffing while it lasted . and still it's wave it lasted. and still it's wave of metaphysics all goodbye , my . of metaphysics all goodbye, my. be for the end of the world is now . my . now. my. fire >> next time on the dinosaur.

our it's making the point that not only is cancel culture real cool but it's so bad . cool but it's so bad. >> we're going to be studying it in 100 years as it is odd when you think about it that there is an ideology which has become a dominant value that nobody is allowed to question . allowed to question. >> when we didn't vote it in. right? | >> when we didn't vote it in. right? i mean , i mean, when you right? i mean, i mean, when you think about it, it's like, really? no one's allowed to question this, but you white right. >> hetero normative . from a >> hetero normative. from a colonial izing nation , you colonial izing nation, you imperialist, you go into the. >> exactly. you go into this terrain with some severe baggage on your side . on your side. >> are you going to be problematic again , i love that problematic again, i love that word . word. >> there's also people who think that the key to saving the world is less and less freedom of speech. yes you would think we would have learned a bit from galileo . galileo. >> hello there. i'm jonathan

vawter here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office are few showers to met office are a few showers to watch throughout this watch out throughout this bonfire particularly bonfire night, particularly for western . there could be western areas. there could be still heavy times pushing still heavy at times pushing their way in across particularly northwest england, west and wales the bristol wales through the bristol channel as well. western areas of not escaping either of scotland not escaping either into second half of the into the second half of the night. see a few night. we could just see a few beginning skirt way night. we could just see a few begisussex skirt way night. we could just see a few begisussex and rt way night. we could just see a few begisussex and kent, way night. we could just see a few begisussex and kent, but|y lot into sussex and kent, but a lot of other eastern areas will remain largely dry with some clear underneath clear intervals underneath that, some possible. it clear intervals underneath that, som also possible. it clear intervals underneath that, som also turn possible. it clear intervals underneath that, som also turn relatively ible. it will also turn relatively chilly, so for chilly, particularly so for eastern where we can eastern scotland, where we can expect some frost. a expect some frost. so quite a chilly start to the new working week head into week here. but as we head into monday, a day of sunshine monday, it is a day of sunshine and for many . monday, it is a day of sunshine and for many. those and showers for many. those showers most frequent in the west again, perhaps a few west wants again, perhaps a few rumbles thunder maybe some rumbles of thunder, maybe some hail those heaviest ones as hail in those heaviest ones as well afternoon, just well into the afternoon, just starting see showers starting to see those showers progress areas of progress into eastern areas of england. but still with us, a good amount of sunshine in between them. temperatures around fairly around 10 to 13 c. so fairly pleasant if you are in those sunnier spots . tuesday, it sunnier spots. but tuesday, it will start relatively will again start relatively showery. but we've got this

ridge of pressure that's ridge of high pressure that's going its in going to be moving its way in dunng going to be moving its way in during that will during the day that will gradually help to ease off the showers , particularly for showers, particularly for western into western areas, as we head into the afternoon. turning dry the afternoon. so turning dry air again, sunny air here. again, some sunny intervals watch out for and intervals to watch out for and enjoy if you are out about enjoy if you are out and about the winds also easing off throughout day as as we throughout the day as well as we head wednesday, though, head into wednesday, though, there persistent band there is a more persistent band of that will be sweeping there is a more persistent band of waythat will be sweeping there is a more persistent band of way across ll be sweeping there is a more persistent band of way across thee sweeping there is a more persistent band of way across the uk.eeping there is a more persistent band of way across the uk. theng there is a more persistent band of way across the uk. then into its way across the uk. then into thursday, the showers return once again . enjoy your evening once again. enjoy your evening by

gb news. >> good evening. your top stories from the gp newsroom. the uk is bracing itself for storm garrett, which is set to batter much of the country , with batter much of the country, with drivers now being warned of potentially hazardous conditions on their way home from the christmas holiday the christmas holiday. the met office several yellow office has issued several yellow weather warnings from midnight into the early hours on thursday, with alerts for strong wind , rain and snow. gusts

wind, rain and snow. gusts between