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the scenes of the coronation. film director and friend of mine gary sinyor, will be in the studio an open interview studio for an open interview about and the latest about his career and the latest developments after ba have recently issued him an apology. and i'm very lucky to be joined by a wonderful christmas ish panel of linda duberly benjamin butterworth and hilary freeman . butterworth and hilary freeman. happy boxing day everyone . this happy boxing day everyone. this is gb news tonight with josh howie. let's do this . howie. let's do this. and thank you for joining us. please let us know how you've been celebrating christmas so far . and have you been splashing far. and have you been splashing the cash on any sales in store or online today? email me now at gbviews@gbnews.uk . com see you gbviews@gbnews.uk. com see you after the headlines . after the headlines. >> joe ash, thank you very much. 9:01. this is the latest from

the gb newsroom storm garrett set to batter britain overnight bringing strong wind, rain and snow. the met office has issued several yellow weather warnings from midnight into the early hours on thursday. gusts between . 50 to 70mph will sweep across the country, with high ground and exposed coasts being hit the hardest. most of england and wales will see torrential rain , wales will see torrential rain, whereas the peaks of scotland and the northern isles are likely to see some of that snow . likely to see some of that snow. a man has been arrested on suspicion of murder following a fatal stabbing in croydon, 27 year old michael patrick alfonso picciotto died after being attacked and stabbed by a group of men in thornton heath on tuesday, the 19th of december. the investigation is ongoing and a 22 year old remains in custody. the met police are appealing for anyone with information to come forward . information to come forward. four people have been arrested on suspicion of murder after a man was stabbed in east london

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to josh . to josh. >> thank you tatiana, as it's boxing day, our national holiday devoted to lazing about in our underpants , i thought it might underpants, i thought it might be appropriate to send out into the world a little message in a in a bottle to my fellow travellers on what i call the lazy left . not that i expect lazy left. not that i expect many, if any, of you, to actually be watching this live, but maybe it will be clipped up and the random algorithmic currents of social media will drift upon your digital drift it up upon your digital shores. now the reason this doesn't apply to any of you watching this live. wherever you are on the political spectrum, left right , are on the political spectrum, left right, is are on the political spectrum, left right , is because by left or right, is because by virtue of your presence , you've virtue of your presence, you've already to engage and willingness to engage and question and be open that eludes my target audience for this message. so feel to free give yourself a little congratulatory pat on the back and just for reference, where am i on the political spectrum? well, it depends on who you ask. isn't

that how it works nowadays? i consider myself left wing, but those a bit further to my left would say that i'm a centrist. the far left call me right wing and i reckon most of you are probably centre right, which, according those people , according to those same people, makes you nazis. whereas the far right call me a marxist. the thing is, to my understanding , thing is, to my understanding, traditional politics at its simplest level comes down to how to distribute resources fairly. and i'd argue fairness is that most quintessential of british values. just look at our reverence for queues. why why? because they're a particularly singular representation of fairness , and woe betide anyone fairness, and woe betide anyone who dare break that societal contract . i'm looking at you or contract. i'm looking at you or holly and phillip. what that all means, then, is that our different positions on the political spectrum is determined by what precisely we, as individuals consider fair. is it fair that a young man can illegally come over here from a safe country and be housed for

free in a nice hotel, whilst a british homeless person shivers in the street ? is it british homeless person shivers in the street? is it fair british homeless person shivers in the street ? is it fair that in the street? is it fair that a family who helped our country and have been tortured because of that are at risk of being murdered because they have no legal route to asylum here? is it fair that for some people to cynically exploit the benefit system and not contribute to society? is it fair that the benefit system doesn't properly provide a safety net for someone who's worked their entire life ? who's worked their entire life? is it fair that foreign companies can buy our country's assets, plunder our wealth from them, rather than investing , and them, rather than investing, and british citizens are forced to pay british citizens are forced to pay more for substandard services because they have no alternative . which is why alternative. which is why i think the water companies and rail companies should be renationalised as soon as possible . i know, how dare possible. i know, how dare i have such a disgusting far right position . now with that position. now with that understood, let me lay out my message then to any left wing people watching this output for the channel from the first time as a fellow lefty , here's my as a fellow lefty, here's my insight what i've learned

insight into what i've learned my last two years. inside the belly of the beast that is gb news. everyone's pretty nice. that's it . there we go. i have that's it. there we go. i have attended marches against nigel farage, but then you meet him. and you know what? he's a charming, polite guy. ditto. jacob rees—mogg. i doubt we're going to be popping out for a pint, but on the left you build up these people to be the devil. and when you actually engage with when you actually with them, when you actually listen to their brazilian positions the most part, positions for the most part, they're just people who have a different about what's different idea about what's fair. now, that doesn't mean i agree with them on many issues . agree with them on many issues. i disagree , but i i fundamentally disagree, but i do think that they think that they are being fair. and here's they are being fair. and here's the thing. those people on the right, perhaps because they've been told that they're the baddie , have to read more and baddie, have to read more and they have to think more, which makes them very good at justifying their positions . justifying their positions. whereas we on the left, because we tell each other and this message is backed up by most of

the media and cultural institutions that we we're the good guys . and if we're the good good guys. and if we're the good guys, you know what? we don't need to read and think and justify. we just assume that we're and that was me , we're right. and that was me, right? a hypocrite right? i'm being a hypocrite here. i was on the left, i, i didn't need to think whatever position my fellow political travellers took must be the right one. i didn't need to read or think until suddenly i did . or think until suddenly i did. when antisemitism started cursing through the mainstream, left via corbyn's labour, i knew that that just wasn't right and most of the left ignored it. or just flat out denied it because hey , we're on the left. it's hey, we're on the left. it's impossible for us to be wrong or worse, racist . so i had to go worse, racist. so i had to go away and read and learn and argue and persuade, and then when i realised that if the left could be so fundamentally wrong about anti—semitism, if just by virtue of being on the left doesn't make you automatically right it, what else could the left have got wrong? and i started seeing mostly left wing women, mostly lesbians, being on

the receiving end of outrageous abuse and even violence because they biological men they didn't want biological men in . but wait, they in their spaces. but wait, they their left. they, you know, the left were going, these women, they're actually bigots. they're transphobes, they're terfs . so transphobes, they're terfs. so i read and i learnt and i listened. i made up my own mind. now, of course, it's fair for trans people be treated with trans people to be treated with respect, it for respect, but is it fair for female to to live female prisoners to have to live with biological rapists and with biological male rapists and in even be sexually in some cases even be sexually assaulted ? is it fair assaulted by them? is it fair for female athletes to train their entire lives lose to their entire lives and lose to biological men who only recently were ? the were mediocre male athletes? the achilles heel of the left, which far left cranks and gender ideologues and critical race proponents and whatever else you want to loosely define under the umbrella of the culture wars or woke politics have expertly exploited . and in our exploited. and in our desperation to be the good guy and then not actually put any work in to be able to justify why our positions a political issues have been made, political , but anti—semitism, women's rights , and the response to

rights, and the response to covid and de—banking and october 7th and on and on aren't left or right issues . you can't just go right issues. you can't just go along with whatever your side tells you. you have to read and question and think and learn and decide for yourself what's fair for you have to put the work in. you have to stop being the lazy left . because for those of us left. because for those of us who want and are fighting for who do want and are fighting for and a better world, and arguing for a better world, it's just not fair , right? let's it's just not fair, right? let's get the thoughts of my panel. we have journalist and broadcaster linda doebele. hello. we have journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth , and we benjamin butterworth, and we have journalist and agony aunt hilary freeman . benjamin, have journalist and agony aunt hilary freeman. benjamin, i'm going to go to you first because l, going to go to you first because i, uh, i remember watching you onune i, uh, i remember watching you online and sort of scream at my phone and here we are now , a phone and here we are now, a couple of years later, i believe we're friends. i like you a lot, yet we disagree on stuff. uh, yeah. >> i think there is a temptation and i don't accept that. >> it'sjust and i don't accept that. >> it's just people on the left. i think plenty of people on the right this too. right do this too. >> exactly they like to

>> exactly where they like to see the world along tram lines, and decide had a set of and they decide had a set of ways in which they perceive political questions , and then political questions, and then they adjust the world around them to fit the straight line that they've already decided upon. >> and i think that's the real problem that modern politics have.i problem that modern politics have. i spent my christmas with what i would call gays and strays, and one of them there, middle aged gay man, was telling me he'd, the me about how he'd, in the previous all these previous days had all these arguments with his niece, who is quite and was talking quite left wing and was talking about she hates israel about how much she hates israel and his supporting gaza and the palestinians, and was trying palestinians, and he was trying to say to her, you understand. >> throw your uncle >> they would throw your uncle off building they the off a building if they got the chance. it's that chance. it's just not that simple. and that was simple. and i thought that was such sad sort of indictment of such a sad sort of indictment of the situation where this young person was clearly unable to appreciate complexities . and appreciate the complexities. and the reason i say that is because maybe the first that you maybe the first time that you saw me was a couple of years ago arguing with piers morgan about gender identity, and i hadn't particularly views. particularly changed my views. but on it and but i do look back on it and i realise that sort of started realise that i sort of started

with straight then with a straight line and then adjusted arguments against adjusted the arguments against it. i just sort of ignored to adjust around me and adjust the world around me and i think that's a mistake. that social media has whipped up in recent years. and that's big recent years. and that's the big problem our politics. problem with our politics. >> that's interesting. i mean, linda, nodding along to linda, you're nodding along to what benjamin here. what benjamin is saying here. and this and i agree. absolutely. this sort dissonance is sort of cognitive dissonance is left and right issue. i guess the reason why i specifically wanted the left is wanted to address the left is that the difference might be that the difference might be that the difference might be that the left feel this is just my experience from being here, is that don't seem to put as much work to in their arguments in terms of what they sort of. and i'm talking about not because people here are engaged anyway , but i'm just talking anyway, but i'm just talking aboutin anyway, but i'm just talking about in my life. yeah they just they're just like, i'm a lefty. i'm about think that i'm talking about i think that comedy you think comedy circuit, you think even the as everyone. the right as well everyone. so you think it doesn't matter? >> many people are >> i think so many people are really, really lazy about how they formulate their opinions. >> they just don't get under the skin of various stories that come up. one of the problems we've got with societies today is polarisation , and it's

is this polarisation, and it's not between left and right , it's not between left and right, it's between x view and y view. i mean, i listen all the time on the radio to, for example , to the radio to, for example, to a court case that i might know quite well that i've got some background knowledge about . and background knowledge about. and often say it's on often the anchor say it's on lbc, for example, well known radio station will be going hell for leather a certain for leather about a certain point that i know is really , point that i know is really, really unfair because no one on that program has taken the time and the trouble to do the actual research, get to the raw data to get to a few facts, and properly construct an opinion . it's lazy construct an opinion. it's lazy people, i'm afraid . in general, people, i'm afraid. in general, left and right. i agree with that. >> i mean, look, we're here as sort of the idea is, i guess political commentators somewhat we're more engaged than most. do you think, hilary, that the situation is even more exaggerate people's personal situation is even more exagg> i think people just aren't interested in facts anymore. they bizarre that

they it seems to me bizarre that i remember when the internet came about and i thought, god, you're have every fact you're going to have every fact in your fingertips. in the world at your fingertips. and questions that or and people ask questions that or argue points that you could just google, and it would come up with a page and it would tell you all the facts and the history, and people aren't interested. and you are. >> you try and argue with someone them the someone and you give them the facts like, well, facts and they're like, well, that goes against opinion. >> so therefore it's not a fact. >> so therefore it's not a fact. >> it's fact . and that is >> it's not a fact. and that is the problem. >> people all do not accept >> now people all do not accept experts. they do not accept facts. that's something facts. i think that's something that with that started happening with with the brexit debate. the whole brexit debate. >> so it's why i do a lot of about feeling and i do a lot of communications training, for example, emergency example, for the emergency service, where it's really important get firm important that they get a firm grip what's going on in grip about what's going on in the landscape the the media landscape and the problem to them is the media landscape and the prob you've to them is the media landscape and the prob you've got to them is the media landscape and the prob you've got you've] is the media landscape and the probyou've got you've got is that you've got you've got actual convention news gathering, goes it's gathering, which goes on. it's still it doesn't go on still goes on. it doesn't go on to quite the same extent as i when i was a young trainee on the western mail in cardiff doing three years of indentures, but it does still on. but

but it does still go on. but there is wall wall opinion there is wall to wall opinion and is not fact. and now and opinion is not fact. and now the younger people have got used to this and they recite opinion as though it is fact. and when they do get a fact, they think it's a moveable feast. but also we have a problem that that people think a disagreement with you makes it personal. >> yes. >> yes. >> and i think that's the other thing. >> i think that's a real shame, because, you know, i'm 30, so i assume i'm the youngest person here. so maybe it didn't used to be this. don't. yeah, be like this. 28 i don't. yeah, i self—identify as 28. um, but when people when you say that you passionately disagree with someone, you try to argue the corner. a corner. they think it's a personal attack . and an personal attack. and that's an utterly redundant way to go about having a democracy . about having a democracy. >> exactly. you need to be rational need have rational. you need to have rational. you need to have rational debate . i mean, i've rational debate. i mean, i've got kids. one of them is got three kids. one of them is your which me feel your age, which makes me feel really the other two are really old. the other two are a little bit younger, the little bit younger, but the oldest boy an economist, and oldest boy is an economist, and you couldn't you know, i couldn't have a conversation him without conversation with him without him some stuff on his him looking up some stuff on his phone, sending me links because

he's trained to do it. i have the most interesting conversations with him because it's like with patrick christys a couple of days ago, we were talking about young white guys getting because they're getting grants because they're one most compromised one of the most compromised groups in the in the education system in this country. now, within days , days, he had gone within days, days, he had gone to the resolution foundation. he had gone to different government departments. loads and departments. he'd got loads and loads of facts lined up, which gave him a really good perspective on the actual problem . and perspective on the actual problem .and i perspective on the actual problem . and i think that's problem. and i think that's really important. >> i'll just say one other thing, which that think >> i'll just say one other thing, also h that think >> i'll just say one other thing, also beenhat think >> i'll just say one other thing, also been rewarded< >> i'll just say one other thing, also been rewarded as it we've also been rewarded as it were, with politicians who've taken advantage this. think taken advantage of this. i think we have a problem with demagoguery. would give the demagoguery. i would give the examples. viewers might not examples. some viewers might not like i think boris like it, but i think boris johnson likes to whip the johnson likes to whip up the idea that disagreeing with some johnson likes to whip up the id

whereby i, a man who is blatantly anti semitic and supported by obviously anti—semitic people , was able to anti—semitic people, was able to deny the blatant reality because any questioning of the evidence of that in front of them meant that you were no longer on the left or no longer labour, that you weren't good enough for their purity. and i think we live in politics of purity live in a politics of purity tests actually is very tests that actually is very different to how it used to be 20 years. >> and also we do politics do with the kind of marketing speak. they, they, they go on, they they give you they get on air, they give you their and their soundbite out. and it's not deep enough. it's not not really deep enough. it's not thought out about personality isn't it? >> yeah. it's not about, you know, you remember the days of people like michael foot . can people like michael foot. can you imagine him being in politics now ? politics now? >> i mean, he would never get anywhere. should anywhere. not sure he should have been in politics. >> yeah, but he was , you know, >> yeah, but he was, you know, he had a certain authority, a he he had a certain authority, a certain knowledge . certain knowledge. >> it wasn't about image with him. >> it was a completely the opposite, so. opposite, wasn't it? so. >> so does anybody have an idea about break this? how to about how to break this? how to

move forward. >> difficult >> oh, it's very difficult because hour because it's partly it's 24 hour news that's partly it's news that's done it partly it's basically fault he's done news that's done it partly it's ba�*welly fault he's done news that's done it partly it's ba�*well i fault he's done news that's done it partly it's ba�*well i mean,ilt he's done news that's done it partly it's ba�*well i mean, we've. done news that's done it partly it's ba�*well i mean, we've gotre news that's done it partly it's ba�*well i mean, we've got to it. well i mean, we've got to get used to the fact that in this election in particular, we are going to have to start reading manifestos. are going reading manifestos. we are going to understanding to have to start understanding policies these are policies because these are people taking responsibility . people taking responsibility. they have to be responsible. >> my whole life up to this point just following, point has just been following, as following as you were saying, following tom our side, and now we tom moore our side, and now we have to break three of our tribalism. yeah, i think you've also know, also you've, you know, seriously, to start seriously, you've got to start paying seriously, you've got to start paying more paying journalists more and making well making making journalists. well you yeah. well you would say that. yeah. well i would that. would say that. >> no, no. but seriously, there's know, this there's this, you know, this idea who has a blog idea that anyone who has a blog is now a journalist. yeah. >> and, you know, not properly trained, their opinion. >> so therefore that means a >> and so therefore that means a knock that people >> and so therefore that means a knocktrust that people >> and so therefore that means a knocktrust actual that people >> and so therefore that means a knocktrust actual journalistse don't trust actual journalists who are trained have got who are trained and have got experience . experience. >> because they, they see >> yeah. because they, they see them the same as some them as being the same as some blogger who's just decided to write so i think write their opinion. so i think those things, you know, will would help, because if people can't go into can't afford to go into journalism it's not journalism because it's not a viable that pays your

viable career that pays your mortgage, then you then then you're end up with you're just going to end up with people who just do it people who who just do it because they've trust fund i >>i >> i mean, i personally wonder if are going to make if facts are going to make a comeback if what's going. no, seriously, what benjamin was saying, get so saying, it's about people get so offended because their opinion saying, it's about people get so of what's because their opinion saying, it's about people get so of what's being se their opinion saying, it's about people get so of what's being challenged. ion saying, it's about people get so ofwhat's being challenged. but is what's being challenged. but i we're going to i wonder if now we're going to somehow get over ourselves, i wonder if now we're going to somehovupzt over ourselves, i wonder if now we're going to somehov up a over ourselves, i wonder if now we're going to somehovup a bit,' ourselves, i wonder if now we're going to somehovup a bit, and selves, i wonder if now we're going to somehovup a bit, and finally , toughen up a bit, and finally, the facts might well, we're coming election year. coming into election year. >> see. we going to >> we'll see. we are going to have up to the plate . have to step up to the plate. everyone is going to have to step the plate, then step up to the plate, but then it looks going be step up to the plate, but then it l(dirtiest going be step up to the plate, but then it l(dirtiest electionng be step up to the plate, but then it l(dirtiest election we've)e step up to the plate, but then it l(dirtiest election we've ever had. >> the mud slinging from, you know, labour claiming that rishi sunak up sunak doesn't want to lock up paedophiles, then claiming that keir starmer, he keir starmer, when he represented cases , a lawyer, represented cases, a lawyer, that somehow his that that was somehow his personal , despite personal opinion, despite that not being lawyer not being how being a lawyer works it's works. this suggests that it's going very ugly political. >> but i'm optimistic because i hope that people, as they get more and more used to this stuff and this stuff, and they see this stuff, they get it. i'm hoping, get savvier to it. i'm hoping, optimistically, that they might then actually start thinking for themselves, but we'll see anyway

, thank you very much. we're brilliant. there. former brilliant. start there. former mp simon danczuk is going to join me live in the studio after the break. don't go anywhere. see

weekend at 3 pm. on gb news, the people's channel, britain's news channel . news channel. >> welcome back. it's time now for the big story. it's been reported today that the labour party is planning on revealing a watertight alternative to rwanda. migrant plan , as rwanda. migrant plan, as outlined by the tory government.

labour leader sir keir starmer will set out his vision for the country next week as his party tries to combat tory claims that there is no plan for the small boats crisis. joining me now to discuss this is former labour mp for rochdale , simon danczuk. for rochdale, simon danczuk. hello, simon. thank you so much for joining us. happy. do you forjoining us. happy. do you say happy boxing day? >> i think you can do. >> i think you can do. >> why not. happy with >> why not. yeah. happy with that. there. so, uh, >> why not. yeah. happy with that know there. so, uh, >> why not. yeah. happy with that know sir there. so, uh, >> why not. yeah. happy with that know sir keir,e. so, uh, >> why not. yeah. happy with that know sir keir, his 0, uh, you know sir keir, his previously dismissed the conservatives bid to port, uh, some seekers rwanda. some asylum seekers to rwanda. and gimmick . some asylum seekers to rwanda. and gimmick. but and he said it's a gimmick. but has changed his stance now has he changed his stance now does this prove that with the election less than months election less than 12 months away, really has to he away, that he really has to he has to address this issue, surely. yeah, that's i think that's the that's what this story is about. it's a story story is all about. it's a story that's the that's appeared in the times newspaper where it's been suggested that labour are going to contemplate some sort of offshore processing schemes , offshore processing schemes, which means that illegal immigrants, asylum seekers will be processed in a third country, as opposed to being processed in

the uk. >> so that sounds exactly like rwanda. >> well , it's rwanda. >> well, it's very similar to rwanda, but there are some differences in that it would be british officials. >> this is what it says in the newspaper. i'm not convinced by all of this, but we'll come on to that. they'll be they'll to that. uh they'll be they'll be processed by british officials, and they will officials, uh, and they will have the ability to come back to this country, uh, if they found to accepted by those to be, uh, accepted by those officials. and that's not how rwanda works. if once the sentence if you come to this country illegally, then you're automatically can be sent to rwanda . and that's where you rwanda. and that's where you stay, irrespective of what your status is. so it is slightly different from rwanda. uh, it is ironic because what's being proposed is by labour, uh, these processing centres in a third country is based on, uh, david blunkett, who used to be the home secretary. his proposals that he worked up when he was home secretary in the early 2000 and he was going to use tanzania as the third country. ironically, that's next door to rwanda. so there are some similarities. uh, but i think

this is just i mean, starmer is not blunkett . uh, blunkett was not blunkett. uh, blunkett was a tough, smart sort, uh, traditional labour old style laboun traditional labour old style labour. i would call him, though. he was a, you know, blair sort of blairite. but he was a very firm home secretary and a very different kind of to politics what, uh, keir starmer is. keir starmer is this north london? islington uh, labour. uh, very soft labour. he's not going to do anything. like what david blunkett would have done in terms of illegal immigration. so you think this is all for show then? >> you don't think he would actually follow through? >> no, don't think so. uh, >> no, i don't think so. uh, i think it's all for sure. i think we're very unlikely to get a if people are thinking voting people are thinking of voting labourin people are thinking of voting labour in the hope that labour might tackle illegal immigration, they're going be immigration, they're going to be sorely disappointed. that's my point on all this. uh, point on all of this. uh, generally , the labour party has generally, the labour party has moved to position where moved to a position where they're open borders they're practically open borders . you know, they take a moral view that people should be able

to come to this country. then we might decide whether can might decide whether they can stay other support stay or not. the other i support the policy in at least the rwanda policy in at least because a lot of people come here, throw away the passport, destroy the passport. so you can never return them to anywhere because you don't know where to return them to with the rwanda policy, you can return them. you can them to rwanda . uh, and can send them to rwanda. uh, and that sorts out that problem. i'm not sure this solution does. >> you don't think people can do exactly same throw exactly the same if they throw away passport, they away their passport, they would just sent wherever to just be sent to wherever to azania wherever that seems to azania or wherever that seems to somewhat deal with. the same issue except i don't think >> well, except i don't think this well, the other problem with what's being proposed in the times is that there's a lack of would happen if of detail. what would happen if somebody and do do they have to land in britain before they are sent tanzania or to another sent to tanzania or to another third country? it's not clear about there's also talk about that. there's also talk about that. there's also talk about processing in some of the other european countries . all other european countries. all this is on the back of what rishi sunak was looking at a few weeks ago in italy . so he was at

weeks ago in italy. so he was at a conference in italy. he was speaking to the italian prime minister they're already looking at an albanian solution of processing illegal immigrants in albania . so it's not dissimilar albania. so it's not dissimilar to that. but rishi sunak has been looking at it as well . um, been looking at it as well. um, i mean, the good news is that both parties now both political parties are now trying come up with some trying to come up with some solutions. >> sm n g i was w— >> that's what i was going to say was, i i know what say was, i mean, i know what you're saying, maybe it you're saying, that maybe it goes ethos of what goes against the ethos of what labour nowadays, labour stands for nowadays, but it like at some it does also feel like at some level, someone in labour is getting it. that gets that it's an issue for the public. and just on that level alone , just on that level alone, whether we're talking about moral issues and whatnot, it feels like there is somewhat of a progression . yes. a progression. yes. >> no, i think you're right. and because labour will have lots of internal opinion polling, which shows that they are weak on this issue, they're always very strong on the nhs. the weak on defence, weak on, uh, defence, they'll be weak on, uh, immigration, illegal immigration. and it's becoming an increasingly important topic. it's moving up from third to second position in terms of an

issue that needs to be dealt with. >> and you don't think that they should just stick with what is >> and you don't think that they sho frame;t stick with what is >> and you don't think that they sho frame of tick with what is >> and you don't think that they sho frame of the with what is >> and you don't think that they sho frame of the rwanda at is >> and you don't think that they sho frame of the rwanda plan the frame of the rwanda plan right now? is that it's just unworkable for them ? i mean, unworkable for them? i mean, will they have the same illegal issues with, uh, you know, with the european courts? >> that's one of the >> well, that's one of the conditions it has to satisfy . conditions it has to satisfy. and that's why they would use british officials for processing the people . that that makes it the people. that that makes it easier to be accepted legally by the european convention on human rights apparently. >> okay. because i thought the issue was more that was issue was more that rwanda was an country . an unsafe country. >> yes. that's what's been >> yes. well, that's what's been argued . would contrary. argued. i would argue. contrary. i house in rwanda i have a house in rwanda i congratulations. thank you. i spend a lot of time in. i'm married to a rwandan and it's a very it's one of the safest countries uh so i countries in the world. uh so i think the supreme court's just got it's a got that wrong. i think it's a i think it's a good solution to a difficult actually. difficult problem, actually. >> know, this >> okay. well, you know, this accusation of keir starmer being accusation of keir starmer being a flip flopper , and i guess that a flip flopper, and i guess that people can use this again as a way to attack him. uh, you know,

there's also the other point of view that he can change your mind as healthy . mind as healthy. >> yeah, you could argue that he has had in place a 5.5. plan, which is very similar to the conservatives. uh policy on immigration, except it involves it doesn't involve rwanda and it involves giving money more money involves giving money more money in international aid to developing countries. >> but that's obviously a very long terme. that's not going to deal with any issues in the next no, it isn't, but it's five years, ten years, even. >> but it's part of the five point where where point plan where where starmer comes he has comes unstuck is that he has opposed every piece of opposed every single piece of legislation last four legislation over the last four years, which been to toughen years, which has been to toughen up on immigration. so now for him to change his tune is the people might see it as disingenuous. >> well, it's the same. you have with the trans issue and you have with him saying, oh, well, 99% of women have penises and whatnot and then put but i whatnot and then put but then i feel like democracy is in action in, in that it got such became such a big deal that he did he was forced somewhat to change

his position, as say. now, his position, as you say. now, whether polling or whether it was polling or whether it was polling or whether him actually whether it was him actually looking at issue closer , um, looking at the issue closer, um, i guess that's the debate whether people are going to go into this and whether he holds these positions once he's in government, because i've been in the labour i've been in the labour party, i've been in the labour party, i've been in the before the labour party 30 years before i 2017 because of corbyn. >> and so i know many of the characters, and i suspect this is this north london labour. uh, it'll be it's soft left. i suspect we'll have open borders if we have a labour government. >> is there anything that you do? because we always talk about what's going, you know, what the plans everything. plans are rwanda and everything. but seems to have but no one seems to have a definitive idea of what really will work. because even with rwanda, there's no proof that actually that will cut down. i know it's there as a deterrent, but we still haven't seen any evidence that it will work. have you? do you have some secret plan that would if you, if plan that you would if you, if you got tomorrow, that you got in power tomorrow, that you got in power tomorrow, that you the boats? you would deal with the boats? yeah you would deal with the boats? yeawell, not a politician. >> well, i'm not a politician. so, so i have a luxurious

position, don't i? i don't have to make these decisions, but i think to rwanda. think we have to try rwanda. you're right. but you're absolutely right. but people not people say, oh, it will not work. well, know work. well, they don't know whether work or not. the whether it will work or not. the idea is it's a deterrent and it breaks the business model breaks up the business model of people and it will people smugglers and it will deter people from paying to come here and then to end in here and then to end up in rwanda. i it should be rwanda. so i think it should be tried. if that doesn't work, tried. and if that doesn't work, i think have start turning i think we have to start turning the back. and that's what the boats back. and that's what australia and we australia did. we have to and we have ignore the european have to ignore the european convention on human rights. we have to all what we can to have to do all what we can to tackle illegal immigration. the feeling in the country this tackle illegal immigration. the feelinisin the country this tackle illegal immigration. the feelinis massive.|ntry this tackle illegal immigration. the feelinis massive. itry this tackle illegal immigration. the feelinis massive. i 100% this tackle illegal immigration. the feelinis massive. i 100% agree issue is massive. i 100% agree with you. >> i guess it's just the difference is how we're actually going to deal with well going to deal with it. well thank so much for joining going to deal with it. well thank so much forjoining us thank you so much forjoining us on boxing day. i hope that you're from you're you're recovered from christmas. it wasn't too traumatic christmas. it wasn't too tral no, :ic christmas. it wasn't too tralno, no. very enjoyable >> no, no. very enjoyable christmas day. >> here we are. enjoy your >> here we are. well, enjoy your home yes. you're home back in rwanda. yes. you're not back now? i'm not going back there now? i'm there january. there on the 2nd of january. >> oh, wow. >> oh, wow. >> okay, well, jealous. uh, >> okay, well, i'm jealous. uh, i'll well i'll be in i'll be in. well i'll be in norfolk. that's all right. i'll take well, take that. very good. well, thank anyway, that thank you so much. anyway, that was labour mp simon

was former labour mp simon danczuk .uk. sorry sir. uh, danczuk. .uk. sorry sir. uh, coming up, former bbc journalist and royal correspondent michael cole joins me after the break for the latest royal gossip and special insight into a bbc show. so

isabel monday to thursdays from 6:00 till 930. >> welcome back. now a sweet moment between the queen and seven year old olivia taylor, who has a brain tumour and was part of the choir that sang dunng part of the choir that sang during the king's speech has

charmed . olivia charmed the nation. olivia treated camilla to a rendition of rudolph the red—nosed reindeer before trying her first ever cup of tea, which was poured by her majesty when well, to talk all things royal, i'm joined now by royal biographer and former bbc royal correspondent michael cole. michael hello. now, what do you make of that lovely moment? good evening. good evening. >> absolutely . absolutely >> absolutely. absolutely beautiful. joshua and of course it was, um , the tea party was in it was, um, the tea party was in the white drawing room, which was of course , where the queen was of course, where the queen met paddington bear, which was probably the most wonderful royal moment ever captured on television. i'm sure we will remember it forever. and it will be rerun forever, whenever the queen is spoken about. and anybody mentions a marmalade sandwich. but you know, you mentioned you're going off to norfolk . absolutely nothing norfolk. absolutely nothing wrong with norfolk . it's not wrong with norfolk. it's not quite as good as suffolk, but it's a pretty good county, the royal county of norfolk. and of

course, that's where the king and the royal family are at the moment , celebrating at what and the royal family are at the moment, celebrating at what i think has been the end of a very successful first full year on the throne for the king. whether anybody was there watching the program this evening on bbc one or whether they were actually playing charades instead, i don't know . but had they watched don't know. but had they watched it , i think don't know. but had they watched it, i think they would don't know. but had they watched it , i think they would have been it, i think they would have been very pleased by it. what it's useful to say right from the start , it, joshua, is that it start, it, joshua, is that it wasn't a pr puff job for the royal family. it was a fascinating one hour and 45 minutes, and i think it was, uh, raised above that level by comments , uh, by the princess comments, uh, by the princess royal comments, uh, by the princess royal, princess anne. and there we see again that lovely tea party and that lovely little girl, a girl of great talent, blind, uh, from the very early age , uh, with a brain tumour. age, uh, with a brain tumour. and i think the way the queen

took her to her heart was very moving. you can't fake that. and i think, uh, it was a wonderful moment for that family. and for her elder sister, who looks after her so brilliantly . and after her so brilliantly. and what's more, the little child can sing and they're applauding quite rightly. and uh, very moving . um, you can't you can't moving. um, you can't you can't buy something like that for that family from bexley . and, uh, family from bexley. and, uh, i congratulate the child . olivia. congratulate the child. olivia. there they are . an exchange of there they are. an exchange of presents . and i think the child presents. and i think the child made her. made her something in purple , a purple ring. that's purple, a purple ring. that's right . and she gave that to the right. and she gave that to the queen. well she'll never forget that. or these films. and there she is going at the end of the tea party. the little child said that she now loves tea . so the that she now loves tea. so the queen has ordered that she shall always have tea . and that, i always have tea. and that, i think, is fantastic coffee. >> next. um, now , with the

>> next. um, now, with the documentary that was aired today, can we learn anything new from it? >> yeah , i think we can. i think >> yeah, i think we can. i think what was fascinating was the, uh, very personal and perceptive comments by the princess royal, princess anne. now, i've interviewed her in the past and it's not very easy to get much out of princess anne. the well worked phrase involving a stone and blood comes to my mind. but she did say some very perceptive things about her feelings when she saw the crown removed from her mother's coffin. thinking well, that's it, it's all over. the responsibility has now passed on to the king. and what is interesting from my point of view , was to see in a very real view, was to see in a very real way , there we see him with the way, there we see him with the prince and princess of wales and their children. the affection, which is very close affection which is very close affection which he didn't get a great deal of when he was a small child,

and he's making sure his grandchildren certainly do get it. and i felt throughout that he he was humbled. and it's not really surprising the weight of responsibility being put not just on his shoulders, but on his head. and when he tells the archbishop of canterbury to ram it down on his head because he wouldn't be able to touch it dunng wouldn't be able to touch it during the coronation ceremony and well—being, the archbishop says, i don't want to break your neck. it might spoil the show or words to that effect. i mean, there were moments of candour and, um, and history there, things we haven't seen behind the scenes i felt when i watched the scenes i felt when i watched the coronation, um, in the summer, in may, uh , commentating summer, in may, uh, commentating on gb news that it lacked some of the spirituality that was there in 1953, in black and white, which ushered in the television age. and when richard dimbleby whispered from his gallery up in the rafters, the queen is crowned using the

historic present tense. i mean, the hairs on the back of my ten year old neck went up. it was a very emotional moment, but the really big difference, josh, i think, is this throughout that film, uh, the king is relaxed. he is happy. uh, he's content. he is happy. uh, he's content. he has the top job. he knows what his job is and he's enjoying it. he's obviously had a very, very long apprenticeship . 70 years, obviously , he didn't . 70 years, obviously, he didn't want his mother. >> oh, gosh . let's cut out. >> oh, gosh. let's cut out. that's gone suddenly that was like the whitest house ever. and then it just went to pure red. uh, i hope that nothing's happened to him, but, uh , happened to him, but, uh, actually, i wanted to ask him about dominic west. i wanted to find out about the crown. uh, but there we go. well thank you very for joining but there we go. well thank you very forjoining us. i'm very much forjoining us. i'm sorry that the internet, i guess norfolk isn't as norfolk, you know, isn't as great after all. we're going to have now, but have a little break now, but we'll a couple of we'll see you in a couple of minutes . we are. we're

welcome back to gb news tonight with me. josh howie. now our very own gb news presenter , very own gb news presenter, nigel farage, was among thousands of people joining boxing hunts today in a boxing day hunts today in a continuation of an age old tradition. more than 100 meets took place across the uk , took place across the uk, despite opposition from anti—hunting activists with traditional fox hunting, banned enthusiasts now take part in trail hunts, where packs of hounds follow an artificial scent. but animal rights campaigners claim this serves as a cover for killing foxes, whilst nigel was out earlier on, today , he got his thoughts from today, he got his thoughts from some of the public. let's take a listen. >> i'll see you here every year. i'm why does this matter to you? because it's an english tradition and we should be proud of it. >> they're not doing anything.

>> they're not doing anything. >> we do it because it's a sport. it's a countryside sport. and that's what. this is what we do in the countryside. and it's everything, isn't it? >> it's not just the horses, it's the people. it's the hunt staff, the kennels , because, staff, the kennels, because, well, we want one to come see you, nigel, and to support the hunt as well. >> so . >> so. >> so. >> yeah. and what makes you feel the hunt matters? >> it's english. >> it's english. >> um, natural . >> um, natural. >> um, natural. >> um, natural. >> um, and down to earth, i suppose , is the reams of it. suppose, is the reams of it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> we've got some younger people here. what's brought you along today to see you to and see the hunt? >> it's a nice british occasion. come mulled and come out some mulled wine and some come out some mulled wine and sonyou see, it's really a social >> you see, it's really a social event. this country people event. this is country people getting , having great event. this is country people gettout , having great event. this is country people gettout . , having great day out. >> okay, but bar the boxing day hunts, are they out of age? uh, are they a touch? are they an age old tradition? should they still be celebrated? let's get my thoughts on my panel. we my thoughts on the my panel. we have journalist and broadcaster linda journalist and linda duberly, journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth , and journalist agony aunt , and journalist and agony aunt hilary that was hilary freeman. well that was interesting seeing people coming

out. i really thought the whole hunt issue was over a long time , hunt issue was over a long time, so did i. >> i mean, if you look at the polling, 79% people support . polling, 79% of people support. keeping the ban that's in place at the moment, which is much higher than when the law was passed. and, you know, we mentioned 30. it mentioned earlier, i'm 30. it was of my first political was one of my first political memories. is the furious row over fox hunting. and on the one hand, i have sympathy with them because it is clearly a cultural tradition . it has a lot of tradition. it has a lot of resonance that, you know , resonance that, you know, generations of families have done this. it means a lot in these rural villages. it's a way to get together. and lots the to get together. and lots of the people that as people that do that aren't as posh as imagine. from some posh as you imagine. from some of scenes that you see on of the scenes that you see on television. to say, i television. but i have to say, i do with the animal do agree with the animal rights campaigners. there's clearly suggestion's over the suggestion's evidence over the years these trails cents years that these trails cents end up involving real foxes, that it's a disguise . and i that it's a disguise. and i think if that's the case, the law needs to be toughened up. >> yeah , i think that what >> yeah, i think that what happens, they actually use fox urine, don't they, to, to build the trail . the trail. >> so it's who doesn't use force

i >> -- >> so it's understandable that occasions ali. yes it's not a cover but it's understandable that sometimes they will end up tracking a real fox. i can see how that happens. at the end of the day, it occurred to me today it's a kind of storm in a stirrup cup , isn't it? really? stirrup cup, isn't it? really? say you get two foxes, say you kill even six foxes. there's . kill even six foxes. there's. 21,000 people have been killed in the gaza strip. and we are worrying about this. >> i mean, come around where i live, the foxes had killed the humans. >> the other way round. >> the other way round. >> oh, yeah? yeah, to london foxes. they're very bold. >> yeah, exactly. i think they hunt us. >> yeah, exactly. i think they hurwhat about the hillary? do >> what about the hillary? do you think this sort of you think that this has sort of been stirred up into just another the culture another front on the culture wars? do you think it matters ? wars? do you think it matters? >> i think i think we've got so few kind of english, um, cultural traditions left that people just cling on to to, this one, i think, and quite frankly , one, i think, and quite frankly, i'm sure there must be something better. i mean, you know, i know

maypole dancing or something. it doesn't involve cruelty and killing animals. >> i, i this doesn't really involve cruelty and killing animals . animals. >> now supposedly. >> now supposedly. >> yeah. i just, i, you know, i mean, look, i'm, i'm a, i'm a real urban girl. i, you know, i, i feel ill if i go outside of watford, you know, i, i'm probably not the person to comment on this, on this tradition , but i don't don't tradition, but i don't i don't understand it. >> i don't to i don't >> i don't relate to it. i don't know people want to do it. know why people want to do it. >> um, yeah. >> um, and. yeah. >> um, and. yeah. >> and you know, i think it's something that's best left in the past. yeah >> i mean, do you think benjamin is there that there's not is there saying that there's not even i haven't seen any even any i haven't seen any thing out there that labour is trying change. trying to change. i mean, i think they said that they, think they have said that they, you they would you know, they would like toughen rules because you know, they would like toughare rules because you know, they would like toughare suggestions because you know, they would like toughare suggestions thatuse you know, they would like toughare suggestions that there there are suggestions that there are abuses, know , that are some abuses, you know, that the trail hunts themselves as youyou know, they can quite >> you know, they can quite clearly end up in foxes being killed. look, you know, i know that headline that's been on that the headline that's been on gb news all day is that campaigners are calling on to labour stop attack on fox

hunters. >> but has there been a. well, i haven't heard them say what attack. >> yeah. well that's the thing. >> yeah. well that's the thing. >> well you know what those, those pro fox hunting campaigners gladly campaigners who would gladly have know, have the foxes killed, you know, legally that the legally the reality is that the pubuc legally the reality is that the public not on their side. the public is not on their side. the overwhelming majority of british people want the fox hunting ban to remain. they don't identify this as a great english tradition. you know, i grew up in the cheshire country side, and i don't remember ever seeing fox clearly. it's not fox hunting so clearly. it's not in all parts of the countryside by any means. >> in the countryside. i >> i live in the countryside. i haven't seen any hunts gathering on day. haven't seen any hunts gathering on i day. haven't seen any hunts gathering on i know,)ay. haven't seen any hunts gathering on i know, but then it's strange >> i know, but then it's strange because that footage because you see that footage there, the people that nigel because you see that footage thertalking he people that nigel because you see that footage thertalking to, people that nigel because you see that footage thertalking to, they .e that nigel because you see that footage thertalking to, they didn't nigel because you see that footage thertalking to, they didn't lookl was talking to, they didn't look like be like they were going to be partaking that's partaking in the hunt. no that's really that slightly really i found that slightly strange, actually. really i found that slightly stréltje, actually. really i found that slightly stré it seemsially. really i found that slightly stré it seems like they were there >> it seems like they were there to meet him , and he's there to to meet him, and he's there to talk about the fox hunts. >> he's a reality star now, so. >>— >> he's a reality star now, so. >> yeah. >> yeah. it's >> yeah. it's very. >> yeah. it's very. and >> yeah. it's very. and the. >> yeah. it's very. and the. and the young man, i don't think the young had probably even young man had probably even had been fox. been alive when fox. >> yeah. mean not you know >> yeah. i mean i'm not you know if they to think

if they want to do i think they're called drag hunts aren't they. if they want to do these hunts lay this false hunts where they lay this false trail, absolutely by trail, that's absolutely fine by me. care. mean, me. i don't care. i mean, i actually care about, you know, what going discuss what are we going to discuss towards the forthcoming election? we to election? what are we going to talk about it comes to the talk about when it comes to the economy, to the cost of living, to to housing for economy, to the cost of living, to kids, to housing for economy, to the cost of living, to kids, those housing for economy, to the cost of living, to kids, those thingsg for economy, to the cost of living, to kids, those things i for my kids, all those things i don't about a bunch of posh don't care about a bunch of posh people in their pink riding jackets chasing a trail of urine across the countryside , do i? across the countryside, do i? we've all been there. >> we've all been there. we've all. >> the only thing i'd say, and i think some of these people would be screaming at the telly, is that i think it is a bit of a misconception that they are all posh. >> clearly there is a great tradition of it among, you know, countryside but countryside aristocrats. but a lot of people who live in rural parts of this country are actually quite poor . you know, a actually quite poor. you know, a lot of people who are farmers might be land wealthy, but the amount of money in a amount of money coming in is a real struggle. it's, you real struggle. and it's, you know, they know, it's interesting that they attack labour because attack the labour party because i as someone who's been i know as someone who's been involved labour party for involved in the labour party for

a time, it's often a long time, it's often a discussion why people discussion about why more people in rural don't labour in rural areas don't vote labour because a great many of them actually very little actually have very little financial, know, very financial, you know, have very little not going to come out little was not going to come out and campaign about this. little was not going to come out ancisampaign about this. little was not going to come out ancis he jaign about this. little was not going to come out ancis he very about this. little was not going to come out ancis he very real?t this. >> is he very real? >> is he very real? >> he's not he's not a neither do i think he should. but i do think know, feel think that, you know, they feel underrepresented when urban areas have so many people areas you have so many people living in big cities. these days. that these kind days. it's true that these kind of , whether it's not of issues, whether it's not necessarily hunting, but the necessarily fox hunting, but the poverty very real in poverty that is very real in rural , is heavily rural england, is heavily overlooked we think it's overlooked because we think it's just, you know, high flying lawyers in london that have bought a second home in the countryside actually a lot countryside when actually a lot of people no, no, no, of these people no, no, no, i can see really hard deal. can see a really hard deal. >> about poverty, is >> this isn't about poverty, is it? it's not. >> no, it's not. >>— >> no, it's not. >> so, hilary, do you think this is ? is a is symbolism? is this a distraction? right. distraction? that's right. is this fake front in this this another fake front in this culture maybe put forward culture war? maybe put forward by distract out the by tories to distract out the rural poor? i think, from voting labour or quite possibly yes. >> but has it been put put forward. yeah. as you say. i've not heard anything about this

until today . until today. >> we're talking about who who put this in the autocue for us. >> talk about it. i think it is interesting to discuss because i think emblematic of a think it's emblematic of a certain of outlook . and i certain kind of outlook. and i think is worth talking about think it is worth talking about to but i'm simply to a point. but i'm simply saying there are other things which are really going to take our time and our mental effort to discuss and distil . i agree to discuss and distil. i agree with you and benjamin . with you and benjamin. >> i mean, it's interesting because what you were saying about how like your first memory of this, but it feels very dated. i mean, it feels like there's been so many more issues that worthy of that are worthy of our attention. seems somewhat ridiculous. >> now, to be honest. i think one of the reasons it was probably quite clever politics by at time was by tony blair at the time was because think already felt because i think it already felt dated lot of people back dated to a lot of people back then. this was then. the idea that this was a contemporary question seemed preposterous, quite preposterous, so it was quite a good issue, a dividing good wedge issue, a dividing line but has lingered a bit line, but it has lingered a bit like brexit in politics. like brexit in tory politics. you know, i think i forget whether it's theresa may or bofis whether it's theresa may or boris johnson i think might have been intended been boris johnson intended to have free vote on fox hunting,

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>> it's 10 pm. it's boxing day coming up tonight on the show with me josh howie . very shortly with me josh howie. very shortly i'll be sharing with you my boxing day thoughts on stephen fry's alternative christmas message that was aired on channel 4. we'll be looking at boxing day sales. it seems they've been under attack as groups have. demonstrators appeared to target stores including zara and h&m at east

london shopping centre, and we'll have the papers straight hot off the press at 10:30 pm. and my wonderful boxing day panel are with me, with the studio we have linda duberly benjamin butterworth and hilary freeman . there we are zooming in freeman. there we are zooming in on them there and later on they'll be nominating their greatest britons and union jackasses as. long as to come in the next houn long as to come in the next hour. have you been splashing the cash on the boxing day sales? email me now or gb views at gb news. com see you after the headlines . good at gb news. com see you after the headlines. good evening. >> this is the latest from the gb newsroom. the uk is bracing itself for storm garrett, which is set to batter much of the country drivers being country with drivers now being warned potentially hazardous

warned of potentially hazardous conditions on their home conditions on their way home from the christmas holidays. the met office has issued several yellow weather warnings from midnight into the early hours on thursday, with alerts for strong wind, rain and snow gusts between 50 to 70mph will sweep across the country, with high ground and exposed coasts being hit the hardest. most of england and wales will see torrential rain where, as the peaks of scotland and the northern isles are likely to see some of that snow , a man has been arrested on snow, a man has been arrested on suspicion of murder following a fatal stabbing in croydon, 27 year old michael patrick alphonse caputo died after being attacked by a group of men in thornton heath on the 19th of december. a 22 year old remains in custody and an investigation is ongoing. the met police are appealing for anyone with information to come forward . information to come forward. four people have been arrested on suspicion of murder after a man was stabbed in east london today. the met police say officers were called to reports officers were called to reports of a stabbing in hackney early

this morning. a 49 year old man was found with stab wounds and later died from his injuries. two men, aged 49 and 42, and two women aged 35 and 44, have all been arrested and remain in police custody . labour has been police custody. labour has been warned to stay away from traditional boxing day foxhunt parades ahead of the next general election . countryside general election. countryside campaigners have told the party to end what they call its running attack on rural communities . they say sir keir communities. they say sir keir starmer risks igniting a toxic culture war if his party repeats past attacks on rural life. fox hunting was banned in england and wales in 2004. however label labour has vowed to crack down on all hunts . a major study on all hunts. a major study suggests . vitamin d deficiency suggests. vitamin d deficiency depression and diabetes are among a number of health issues that can increase the risk of young onset dementia . the young onset dementia. the findings suggest targeting health and lifestyle factors could reduce the risk of the

condition, researchers have identified a number of risk factors for that condition, which is characterised by dementia symptoms before the age of 65. they say the findings challenge the idea that genetic us are the sole cause . and queen us are the sole cause. and queen camilla hosted afternoon tea at windsor castle today. for a girl with a brain tumour. the little girl , who spent most of her life girl, who spent most of her life on chemotherapy , she sang on chemotherapy, she sang a christmas song and gave the queen a handmade ring. olivia taylor has a brain tumour which has left her blind , but she has left her blind, but she leapt up to say hello your majesty, as she met queen camilla. the seven year old also tried her very first cup of tea, which was poured by the . queen. which was poured by the. queen. you're with gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now back to josh . yesterday in channel

to josh. yesterday in channel four's alternative christmas message, national treasure stephen fry outed himself as a jew and worse than that, he dared call out the dramatic increase these last few months increase these last few months in anti—semitism , which has sent in anti—semitism, which has sent the far left into a meltdown . the far left into a meltdown. >> he was still trending earlier on today . and x. and here's just on today. and x. and here's just a sample from my scrolling . it's a sample from my scrolling. it's propaganda. he's in hock to the israel lobby . it's a red flag. israel lobby. it's a red flag. he's torched his reputation. he's torched his reputation. he's selfish to his bones. he's chasing a knighthood. i'll never watch him again . chasing a knighthood. i'll never watch him again. he's a zionist, like zionism is a dirty word. as opposed to just thinking that the state of israel has the right to exist. there are also conspiracies about, uh, you know , is stephen fry being financed by somebody who's he in the pocket of? and there are many, many far left people who just suddenly , for some mysterious suddenly, for some mysterious reason, simply thought that even though they liked him before . though they liked him before. stephen fry was now a c word, a

c word merely for pointing out that since october 7th there have been 50 separate anti—semitic incidents a day here in my hometown of london, an increase of 1,350, which includes vandalism and assaults and even jewish schools being closed. the most recent and saddest incident i saw was this graffiti on christmas eve, and it says there evil jew banned due . now that is not hill. due. now that is not hill. that's, uh, it's meanwhile garden skatepark. i grew up just around the corner. i even skated there a few times when i was teenager, and i was very, very bad. but i have fond memories. uh, a sore coccyx of uh, apart from a sore coccyx of being encouraged and made feel welcome , it was an inclusive welcome, it was an inclusive place where the only factor that really mattered was meritocracy . really mattered was meritocracy. i guess not any more . but wait, i guess not any more. but wait, what about the far right stephen's attackers cry, even though he specifically calls them out in his message . i too

them out in his message. i too have had far right anti—semites attack me. it wasn't pleasant, and i'm not naive to their hatred. but what about gaza? they cry even though fry specifically mentions the war, even though he's long been an outspoken critic of israel, sometimes justifiably, although in this instance, to my mind, he partly calls out israel for the tragic loss of gazan civilian life , when instead i put all the life, when instead i put all the blame firmly on hamas shoulders. but what about islamophobia? even though, well, you get the point for the far left, if bigotry, hypocrisy, or just outright stupidity doesn't work, then what about why is their favourite weapon ? and if that favourite weapon? and if that doesn't work, if their arguments fail because of their incoherence and inconsistencies, then of course they resorted to trying to smear him just as they did when rachel riley spoke out. or tracy ann oberman spoke out, or david baddiel spoke out . but or david baddiel spoke out. but maybe this time it's different. maybe stephen fry is just too much part of our cultural fabric for people to not see how mental

and races . the response from the and races. the response from the far left has been. i'm sure fry knew what he was doing , that the knew what he was doing, that the far left would let the veil drop, that their mask would finally fully come off if he dared turn himself into their target. well, he dared , and by target. well, he dared, and by doing so they so eloquently have proved his point. what a c—word i proved his point. what a c—word! but to respond now i'm joined again by journalist and broadcaster linda doebele, journalist and broadcaster benjamin butterworth, and journalist and agony aunt hilary freeman . and so have you guys freeman. and so have you guys seen the stuff de hillary? have you seen the stuff on twitter that has just gone mental or now? >> y i mean, it just proves >> yeah, i mean, it just proves the point, doesn't it? i mean, it is not israel. it's not it is not about israel. it's not about about about it, is about anti—semitism. >> are anti semitic and >> people are anti semitic and you know, why buy when somebody like stephen fry who is you know we wouldn't call him a national treasure comes out and says he's jewish. >> people go crazy. and what's that about. well when you say people go crazy it's not i think

most people don't care or they're interested. >> it's the for me, the whole point, the left. point, it's the far left. >> it's the far left. >> generally it's the far left. yes um, i mean, you can't always tell on twitter. you can't always tell anymore, quite frankly, because the far left and the far right on this issue are morphed together are pretty much morphed together . i think the only difference with fry that with stephen fry is that probably right probably the far right didn't like because he's like him before because he's gay, whereas now the far left have reason to not like have got a reason to not like him. you know, think that's him. you know, i think that's that's only that's really the only difference . um, and know , he difference. um, and you know, he people , you know, he has, as you people, you know, he has, as you said, called out israel in the past and yet now he's come out and said, i'm jewish and suddenly he's a terrible person. so so what is this about? and it's clear that, you know, what is going on in this country has got nothing to do with, you know, people saying, oh, it's we're not allowed to criticise the government. yes, the israeli government. yes, you are , of course you are. are, of course you are. >> are, of course you are. >> but why does that mean anti—semitism has gone up? >> but why does that mean antyou�*mitism has gone up? >> but why does that mean antyou know,1 has gone up? >> but why does that mean antyou know, it'ss gone up? >> but why does that mean antyou know, it's also re up? >> but why does that mean antyou know, it's also like»? >> but why does that mean ant you know, it's also like that >> you know, it's also like that doesn't can't then doesn't mean that you can't then call anti—semitism call it anti—semitism and go, wait that's bad wait a minute, that's a bad thing. staggering thing. that is a staggering

figure. 1,350. that's a staggering figure. but where does that figure come from? >> comes from the met. >> comes from the met. >> right. so actually probably fairly accurate actually. they're quite good at their data collection. so and probably i'm probably on the low side because i've experienced a few things i haven't reported. >> so if there are other people haven't reported things because they , it's not that serious. >> i t- w.- >> i mean, this is like, you know, people being know, vandalism. people being attacked verbally in the street, but physically as well. but also physically as well. >> i think it's not just about anti—semitism think anti—semitism as well. i think it's general. i mean, it's about this general. i mean, we started with this subject actually beginning actually at the beginning of this about this program, but it's about this program, but it's about this and this general polarisation and anger that keeps coming out. it seems as though people want to get angry . they want a subject get angry. they want a subject and they want to be angry about it one way or the other. and it's also about the lack of understanding, because most of the criticising understanding, because most of the not criticising understanding, because most of the not know criticising understanding, because most of the not know anythingiticising understanding, because most of the not know anything aboutg understanding, because most of the not know anything about the do not know anything about the history of israel. >> they know anything >> they don't know anything about think about zionism. and they think that they have this idea that because they have this idea of themselves as virtuous people. >> that's right. and they can see right?

see people dying, right? >> therefore , zionism must be >> therefore, zionism must be terrible. israel shouldn't exist and jews are bad people. >> do you think benjamin, that they've themselves? they've exposed themselves? >> reason >> i mean, look, the reason i post stephen that jumper. post stephen fry is that jumper. >> oh, yes. i see what you mean. >>— >> oh, yes. i see what you mean. >> and his sexuality, of course. >> and his sexuality, of course. >> of course. i can't stand gay people. >> um, the reason that that the reason people oppose stephen fry's christmas message is exactly why he needs to do . exactly why he needs to do. a christmas message. talking about anti—semitism. you know, the fact that people who have beloved stephen fry for decades, as britons have, and as millions of britons have, and around the world, and then he suddenly gets all this abuse because he comes out to acknowledge that he is jewish, really tells you the story. and the fact is that i think there's been a mainstreaming of anti—semitism in recent years. you know, it's the oldest racism . and to any rational person, it's so hard to comprehend, you know, like like any racism is. but it's managed to creep its way in as an acceptable form of

racism. it's able to dress itself up as being against the rich and powerful, which of course, is an antisemitic trope. but then it becomes into the language that left wing people usually use. and course , it's usually use. and of course, it's worth stephen fry is a worth noting stephen fry is a lifelong labour voter. he's done labour party political broadcast in the past. this is not a man who's right wing. this is not a man who is ever going to endorse netanyahu's approach to governing and yet you have people associate supporting the israeli government somehow with your average jewish person , when your average jewish person, when your average jewish person, when you have attacks like seven, seven and muslims face racism on the streets of london, we can all see that that's completely unacceptable because your regular, you know, muslim woman going her life doesn't , going about her life doesn't, isn't responsible for what al—qaeda isis does. and yet al—qaeda or isis does. and yet we seeing the equivalent we are seeing the equivalent happen to jewish people all on the streets of britain . and the streets of britain. and somehow outrage isn't somehow the outrage isn't matched to that which other groups get. >> if i could just point out, i totally agree with what you're saying, but the difference is this hatred is coming from anti

racists. yes or self proclaimed anti—racist alleged yes. yeah, well that's it. of course. they see themselves as that way and they're able to do that kind of mental gymnastics to. that's the crazy thing. you look at these people's profiles and they're like virtuous like they're virtuous and they're they racism. they're good and they racism. the yet the the worst thing ever. yet the stuff they've coming stuff that they've been coming out last 24 hours is insane. >> and if you talk to they believe the all the believe all the tropes, all the anti—semitic. you said anti—semitic. also, if you said to them, you think to any of them, do you think you'd talk to me a little bit about what went on between the arabs and the israelis arabs and the and the israelis in 1920s balfour in the 1920s and the balfour agreement where lines agreement, and where the lines were views were and were and what the views were and how history came to pass, and what went on yom kippur what went on in the yom kippur war. what do you think of war. and what do you think of international settlers in the west think many of west bank? do you think many of them be able to answer them would be able to answer accurately? not only could they not , though, you not answer, though, but if you tell the truth, give tell them the truth, if you give them they you them the facts, they tell you that you're because jews that you're lying because jews lie and jews, uh, you know , jews lie and jews, uh, you know, jews always play the victim . always play the victim. >> and in every trope comes out, you talk about the anti—racism issue. >> you know, they talk as though

all these jewish people, all these people , rather in israel these people, rather in israel are white, when, of course, most people are not white people in israel are not white people in israel are not white people of colour. and yet , you people of colour. and yet, you know, the kind of binaries that are that are about are are that are talked about are completely ignored when it comes to and to jewish to israelis and to jewish people, but also when they, you know, they they talk about rightly, they raise some of the things that are happening in the war that are, you know, not appropriate, that are not helping israel's cause. and yet you hear these people you never hear these people talk about in syria about the same actions in syria or in yemen or turkey. >> turkey. you had bombing the kurdish hospital. yeah right. uh, royal crescent hostel yesterday that hasn't been covered anywhere. certainly none of those people have posted about it. going back to about it. but going back to stephen fry, i think one of the things, you know, shocked people that they thought, well, he's he is , you know, our national treasure. >> so english. and i think >> he's so english. and i think that's part of it. he's so english. he's one of us. but actually he's jewish, so he's other and we're shocked that he's because thought he's jewish because we thought he's jewish because we thought

he was one of us. and i wonder if of it, because if that is part of it, because it feels to me like these attacks from the far attacks coming from the far left, particularly attacks coming from the far left, their particularly attacks coming from the far left, their englishnessy attacks coming from the far left, their englishness . embrace their englishness. >> no sense? >> no sense? >> no, but i think maybe, maybe they do on some level . i >> no, but i think maybe, maybe they do on some level. i think maybe they do. you know , that's maybe they do. you know, that's what i don't think what i'm saying. i don't think the left and the far right the far left and the far right are different, really, in are very different, really, in that um, and i think that respect. um, and i think the thing this all the other thing this is all shown that people do shown is that people do not understand what judaism is about, what jew jews are. no. definitely not. i mean, you know, a lot of the know, a lot of a lot of the criticisms i've seen have said, but atheist , how can he but he's an atheist, how can he be jewish? it's judaism be jewish? and it's like judaism is religion . is not just a religion. >> yeah, judaism is sort of on top the ethnicity. top of the ethnicity. >> yes. >> yes. >> mean, i remember when after >> i mean, i remember when after october 7th, i interviewed you for the newspaper. i write for, and me about how your and you told me about how your kids their kids weren't wearing their blazers , as it would blazers because, as it would indicate, their jewishness . how indicate, their jewishness. how has that changed in the past two months? still not months? they're still not wearing blades. wearing their blades. >> don't their >> yeah, they don't wear their blazers or they wear outside jackets now because winter. jackets now because it's winter. and sure that they and they i make sure that they zip that is the

zip them up. and that is the official advice from the school that to the badge , that they go to hide the badge, which of hebrew which has a bit of hebrew writing do think writing and how long do we think this going continue for? this is going to continue for? >> i mean, this, this war is not going to be over any time soon. we your children, could be facing sort of situation facing this sort of situation for months, for months and months, and months. >> w- e is out of the >> the genie is out of the bottle. not going go back. >> it e’- e’— @ it won't, it won't. >> no, it won't, it won't. >>— >> no, it won't, it won't. >> and but of course, kids are innocent know, innocent in this, you know, whether gaza or whether it israel, gaza or whether it israel, gaza or whether brits facing whether they're brits facing anti—semitism. how do you explain children? explain this to young children? how that's the how do you think that's the hardest thing? >> i mean, smaller ones >> i mean, my the smaller ones who sort of 6 or 7, they who are sort of 6 or 7, they haven't needed exposed to who are sort of 6 or 7, they ha'butt needed exposed to who are sort of 6 or 7, they ha'but the aded exposed to who are sort of 6 or 7, they ha'but the teenagers exposed to who are sort of 6 or 7, they ha'but the teenagers who>sed to it. but the teenagers who were out world, i have to warn out in the world, i have to warn them to, to, to, to be very conscious of they're around. conscious of who they're around. if speaking , who they're if they're speaking, who they're speaking people speaking to, if people can identify my identify them. interestingly, my eldest wanted me to buy eldest wants wanted me to buy him hanukkah. uh a star of him for hanukkah. uh a star of david, because it had that sort of the opposite effect of making him defiant. but the question i've is i've started i've done is i've started wearing one. well, i do, i wear out and about tube but out and about on the tube but then i a man actually, he out and about on the tube but therwith a man actually, he out and about on the tube but therwith his man actually, he out and about on the tube but therwith his familyctually, he out and about on the tube but therwith his family sort.ly, he out and about on the tube but

therwith his family sort of he was with his family sort of shout at me, free palestine and quite an intimidating i quite an intimidating way. i mean, the mean, it's not the end of the world, but the point you're world, but the point is, you're just i'm just just like, wait, i'm just sitting of sitting here with my star of david. yeah, it's not a big deal david. yeah, it's not a big deal. you have seen deal. uh, but you have seen others being physically visible jews in certain jews in the street in certain parts attacked. parts of london being attacked. uh and daughter eight, and uh and my daughter is eight, and she goes, she goes to school in east london, where she is one of only five non muslim kids in her class. >> and she's had to deal with stuff. and we've had we had to talk to the school and the headteacher and she's being kind of her because headteacher and she's being kind of know her because headteacher and she's being kind of know it her because headteacher and she's being kind of know it hasn't her because headteacher and she's being kind of know it hasn't got because headteacher and she's being kind of know it hasn't got nasty. .e you know it hasn't got nasty. but there has been some nasty business with parents. so this, this has now become something she's had to learn to deal with. well that's. >> and do you, do you think that i'm going push this a bit i'm going to push this a bit further. the far left to me further. but the far left to me there is we have to address that. there is some of this that. there is some some of this increase unfortunately has come from parts of the muslim community and i feel like the far left, frankly , are far left, frankly, are providing, uh , a shield for that providing, uh, a shield for that kind of behaviour , whereas we

kind of behaviour, whereas we can just why can't we just address this and be open? and that's how we can move forward and hopefully heal and fix things. if we can't actually call stuff that just keeps call stuff out that just keeps sort puts it the rug . sort of puts it under the rug. yeah. mean, i, you know, i as yeah. i mean, i, you know, i as someone who's proudly on the centre left, i would absolutely say that the left has a problem with ignoring the bigotry that comes from parts of the muslim community. >> there are lots of things, lots of examples of prejudice , lots of examples of prejudice, and it cuts different ways. and one of the reasons i'm on the centre left is because as a gay person in a minority group, i care about prejudice and have been the receiving it. been on the receiving end of it. you my you know, for most of my conscious life. but there's a problem the left has, which problem that the left has, which is there is this blind spot is that there is this blind spot to the fact that the muslim community in this country, while being on the receiving end of all sorts of prejudice itself, is clearly has a problem with anti—semitism that has been very clearly demonstrated about sections of the muslim community andifs sections of the muslim community and it's also far more homophobic than the population at we've seen that with

at large. we've seen that with the gay teacher in batley and spen. we've seen that with several incidents of lgbt education in birmingham, where they didn't just say, oh, we don't like it, which is fine, that's a democratic society. you can say that as a parent. they didn't that pull their didn't say that they pull their kids of they have kids out of school, they have aggressive protests. they have kids out of school, they have aggteachersrotests. they have kids out of school, they have aggteachers sacked.they have kids out of school, they have aggteachers sacked. we've ave kids out of school, they have aggteachers sacked. we've seen the teachers sacked. we've seen so many examples of this . and i so many examples of this. and i think the left has a problem . think the left has a problem. and labour mps have a problem that they it. labour mp that they ignore it. a labour mp told recently that thinks told me recently that he thinks some the some of his some of the some of his colleagues think their the member mosque the member for the mosque is the phrase because they are phrase he used because they are so intimidated by the community groups. the muslim community groups. >> and what's behind that ? >> and what's behind that? what's behind that? >> think the sheer >> well, i think the sheer number of them means that they can exert a power. there's about 30 country 30 seats in this country where it's votes, exactly it's about votes, exactly where they they're definitive in they where they're definitive in who to be the member of who gets to be the member of parliament. and i think that's dangerous their entitled dangerous because their entitled to express their opinion and organise . jewish groups are organise. jewish groups are often organised as well, often very organised as well, but you don't get a right to

intimidate i think it's intimidate and i think it's crossed line . yeah. no. crossed a line. yeah. no. >> arguably just before >> and arguably just before christmas saw school christmas we saw a school closing yeah. closing two days early. yeah. and was i believe in and that was now i believe in the right to protest. i also the right to protest. but i also believe right to have an believe in the right to have an education. an that was education. an and that was wrong. like if our wrong. but it feels like if our institutions lot them institutions which a lot of them are, have a left leaning are, um, have a left leaning bent aren't going to willing to actually with some of the actually deal with some of the stuff going to stuff, the issue is going to continue and possibly get worse, which would obviously very which would be obviously very sad. anyway, up next, boxing day sales disrupted at the sales have been disrupted at the westfield shopping centre . oh, westfield shopping centre. oh, okay. we've got more of the same. basically i'm going to be joined by simon danczuk and lindy doobly to discuss this. don't go anywhere

fun. every weekend at 3 pm. on gb news the people's channel, britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> welcome back . it seems that >> welcome back. it seems that boxing day sales have been busy today. pro palestinian protesters have disrupted boxing day sales at the westfield shopping centre in stratford, east london. the demonstrators appeared to be targeting stores including zara , h&m and including zara, h&m and starbucks. footage showed crowds inside a branch of h&m, which was reportedly forced to shut in footage circulating on social media, police and security guards can be seen guarding the entrance of the h&m store for well , it's entrance of the h&m store for well, it's more we have this christmas eve. it's continue now. welcome back simon, thank you so much for rejoining us. uh, by the way, i just want to say i got this suit today at

zara. zara at zara went there to show my. that's how petty i am. it's like i was like, i'm going to go out there, i'm going to buy something from zara. >> know, i think fact >> do you know, i think the fact of matter is, though, that of the matter is, though, that we've that we live we've got to accept that we live in a world where there are pockets of extreme violence, which tragic and miserable, which are tragic and miserable, but they are but that we, we, they are alongside parts of the alongside other parts of the world which which are , you know, world which which are, you know, running in a fairly smooth fashion . and we've got to get fashion. and we've got to get used to the fact that these things , and we have to try things exist, and we have to try our hardest to find solutions, but that doesn't involve going straight the streets . i straight out onto the streets. i mean, banners and mean, with your banners and standing outside shop fronts. >> i completely agree you, >> i completely agree with you, linda. it's terrible linda. you know, it's terrible what's in the middle what's going on in the middle east, it shouldn't result east, but it shouldn't result in ordinary british people being able to go about their daily business. and i think these protesters , because of the of protesters, because of the of failure from the police to take action against just stop oil and others . i action against just stop oil and others. i think action against just stop oil and others . i think protesters like others. i think protesters like these have learned from just stop oil that they can get away

with it. and i think the met police just need to be tougher and stronger on this. >> well, i mean, i wonder if, to be honest, it was just stop oil. who protesters? who learned from the protesters? we that were we saw the cinemas that were closed down. uh and all we saw the teacher , obviously, and the teacher, obviously, and death threats and nothing really happened. we saw the quran that was kind was dropped and the police kind of appeasing that kind of behaviour. um, and of behaviour. yeah um, and of course, the silly thing about this is that zara in particular has got nothing to do with what's going on in gaza. it was an advertising campaign that was thought of, conceived and shot months before october seventh. >> i mean, there was a slight indication that they'd put some kind of plastic wrap in plastic bags around dummies in the window, which was a kind of trendy style. well that was tying into their advertising that the campaign that that tied into the campaign that was recent . and was was more recent. and there was a suggestion it was quite triggering about body bags and all it. the all the rest of it. but at the end you can't end of the day, you can't replicate in a micro way the kind of huge conflict we see in

the middle east onto the streets of london. that's what people find unacceptable. i mean, look at these pictures now. it's extraordinary . it's extraordinary. it's intimidation. we just don't want to see it here. we work hard in the main, really hard to build a decent, law abiding country where people do do have the opportunity to go out and experience a peaceful christmas. but what we're seeing here, there is a kind of replication of the conflict. we need to solve. we need to solve the conflict, not rebuild it in a way. well, there you go. >> i mean, in terms of solving the conflict, this is not going to do anything. won't make any difference, won't make any difference. thing difference. so the only thing it's going to do is to intimidate shoppers out on boxing day, as you boxing day, which as you say, it's we're boxing day, which as you say, it's there. we're boxing day, which as you say, it's there. absolutely out there. we're absolutely spending money. spending our hard earned money. >> if you if you were jewish >> but if you if you were jewish and you were in westfield shopping be shopping centre, you would be really scared. i mean, it's not acceptable . it be. it will acceptable. it would be. it will have easier in have been easier to police in westfield it will be westfield because it will be private property. so what i private property. and so what i understand is that the security

guards of guards, with the assistance of the police , were able move the police, were able to move them out the shopping centre. them out of the shopping centre. so be much harder when it so it'd be much harder when it occurred oxford street. but occurred on oxford street. but the police put out the met police put out a statement saying that there had been any disturbance. >> i mean, the gaslighting from the met through all of these protests, have protests, the met have been a real this and i'm real failure on this and i'm disappointed mayor, in disappointed that the mayor, in fact, the for fact, who has the mayor for london sadiq khan, hasn't said more, been more critical more, hasn't been more critical of because he has responsibility for the met police. >> he should be coming out and saying, i want them to police these protests in a stronger fashion. he should be much clearer on that. >> i mean, there's nothing wrong with really, really well organised, well policed , well organised, well policed, well monitored protest . it's i've got monitored protest. it's i've got three children, 30, 26 and 23, and they all campaign on different issues from the environment to gay rights. lots and lots of things. so i'm not against, well planned protests, but i've been to many protests. >> these are spontaneous , but >> these are spontaneous, but this is unacceptable .

this is unacceptable. >> yeah, the spontaneous i suspect . and they haven't got suspect. and they haven't got permission to be able to protest. so why don't arrests get made and sure the other protesters that they have a potential for being arrested. exactly. if they protest . exactly. if they protest. >> i mean, i worked for after the fall of kabul. i worked for two years for the afghan evacuees, people who were evacuated off the tarmac at kabul evacuated off the tarmac at kabul. i took two years out from journalism to do that . and i journalism to do that. and i know what you have to go to organise a protest in central london, you have to give 20, london, and you have to give 20, 30 days notice in order to have the protest. so these these spontaneous eruptions. >> well, of course, and of these hundreds of thousands of people that we've seen on london that we've seen on the london protest, wonder how many protest, i wonder how many of them up to these, them would rock up to these, these afghan protests. yeah you know, i mean, that's the thing is, again, hypocrisy. the streets empty with the streets are empty with the syrian civilians being murdered, hundreds of thousands of them. but then suddenly they hundreds of thousands of them. but everybodyuddenly they hundreds of thousands of them. but everybody appears they hundreds of thousands of them. but everybody appears .hey hundreds of thousands of them. but everybody appears . the will. everybody appears. the final question i just want to ask is , do think, just like

ask is, do you think, just like with just stop oil and those kind of, uh, protests, that this might actually end up backfiring and hurting their cause, even because think out because i think families out today you know , today who even, you know, everybody has concern and doesn't want jack carson civilian deaths. >> no, i don't it will >> no, i don't think it will have the same effect the have the same effect that the just stop oil protest did . i just stop oil protest did. i mean, that was wholly unacceptable on the motorways and people were massively inconvenienced. i think this is irritating . i find it really irritating. i find it really frustrating that this kind of thing goes on, but actually it it passes . just stop oil was it passes. just stop oil was a different thing . different thing. >> i think it is different. i have been shopping with my wife on oxford street this, uh , on oxford street this, uh, today. i'm sorry. yeah well, i have to say it. yeah, exactly. i have to say it. yeah, exactly. i have to say that if they'd been there, i mean, it was manic, you know, you could hardly move. uh, but people wouldn't have been too amused if such a protest had reared its head again. yeah. >> i mean, just stop oil did backfire on them. it did backfire on them. it did backfire on them. it did backfire on because their backfire on them because their biggest out biggest backer pulled out because think that

because he didn't think that those protests were getting all the way to home base. and he's now thinking of funding something in a different way. so there was a big impact that took place almost. well, not immediately , but it became immediately, but it became apparent that that they weren't going to get their funding. this is slightly different. i think it won't work. it just it just won't work. >> won't work. >> it won't work. but unfortunately, seems like unfortunately, it seems like it's still to continue it's still to going to continue for the foreseeable future. anyway. thank you very much, simon, for sticking around. and to coming up is my paper to linda coming up is my paper review where we dig deep and we do a dive in tomorrow's front pages. we're going to

listening to gb news radio. >> welcome back. >> welcome back. >> let's bring you tomorrow's news tonight . right in the news tonight. right in the second most entertaining paper. review show on telly, the very first front pages have just been delivered for my press pack . delivered for my press pack. right. time to take a look at

the very first, uh, look at tomorrow's newspapers. front pages. uh, and we have sunak plus it's election trap for starmer on spending . then that's starmer on spending. then that's the eye we have the express and scandal of rip off hospital parking charges. we're just getting all very , very angry getting all very, very angry about that . we have the times about that. we have the times with with tories to woo first time buyers and finally the daily telegraph number 10 plans to end ihra iht ahead of election. i thought it was hit and i got a little bit scared. there okay. very good. so let's get back to journalist and broadcaster. we have benjamin butterworth, we have linda, we have hillary. welcome back guys . have hillary. welcome back guys. um, know i want? um, you know what i want? because we immediately got so sort of passionate about linda. you were just talking this thing about the daily express in scandal rip off hospital scandal of rip off hospital parking charges of everything, this you up. this kind of this riles you up. >> and it's >> so inflammatory. and it's because . because throughout this

because. because throughout this yean because. because throughout this year, mother has been very year, my mother has been very ill and i've had go to sorry ill and i've had to go to sorry hospital to try and, um, to try and visit her regularly . me hospital to try and, um, to try and visit her regularly. me and the whole scenario is deplorable , awful. i mean, the fact that people have to pay so much to visit their sick relatives , and visit their sick relatives, and it's not just the amount of money, it's the fact that all, all the charging machines are all the charging machines are all different. they either require cash or they require you to download an app. i mean, i myself went for a scam at my nearby hospital in amersham. i had to had to help three elderly people pay their parking charges because they didn't know how to operate the machine. it's becoming ridiculous . becoming ridiculous. >> i can't operate it. you'll pay >> i can't operate it. you'll pay for my car and i won't pay. >> but i'll show you how to do it. >> i mean, this it.— >> i mean, this , it says it. >> i mean, this , it says they >> i mean, this, it says they made 200 million. it's ridiculous. a lot of money. i mean, where is that money going ? mean, where is that money going? is it? if it's going to subsidise nhs? >> well, no, it isn't . >> well, no, it isn't. >>— >> well, no, it isn't. >> no. you think it's going to

external providers . external providers. >> yeah, i'm sure it is. yeah >>— >> yeah, i'm sure it is. yeah >> but i wonder if, if any is going to it or if what they really can be done here. it's one those things that's kind one of those things that's kind of it's one of those kind one of those things that's kind of tax one of those kind one of those things that's kind of tax life of those kind one of those things that's kind of tax life taxes)se kind one of those things that's kind of tax life taxes that kind one of those things that's kind of tax life taxes that iofd of tax life taxes that kind of creeped in. i mean, if i remember rightly, because the newspaper work a lot newspaper i work for did a lot on pandemic, on this during the pandemic, that manage to scrap it that they did manage to scrap it for a period. that they did manage to scrap it for uh,eriod. that they did manage to scrap it for uh, and. that they did manage to scrap it for uh, and it was very popular. >> uh, and it was very popular. it got lots of headlines, but the truth is that, you know , it the truth is that, you know, it raises, what, £200 million, according to the daily express , according to the daily express, presumably some that is going presumably some of that is going to but just to the hospitals, but it just feels in very poor taste . feels in very poor taste. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> it's insensitive at the most difficult times of their lives. for many of those people are having this charge, one that will be as regular as you describe . because, you know, describe. because, you know, when you get sick, you're probably having visiting an awful and imagine the awful lot and then imagine the stress that adds you stress that that adds when you might going there to say might be going there to say goodbye to a loved one. >> yeah, because the point is, it's okay. maybe you're going there like i did recently for a for bone scan , for example.

for a bone scan, for example. that's a one off. but the worst thing about these charges is they hit people when they're at their lowest because when your relative is very , very sick or relative is very, very sick or dying, you have to be there every day . now, if or when every day. now, if or when you're dying . yeah. you know. you're dying. yeah. you know. exactly. and your relatives are faced with £8 a day, right? that's, uh, that's £30 a week. that's, uh, that's £30 a week. that's £120 a month. they are sick for a couple of months. people can't afford that when there's a cost of living crisis. it is a national disgrace . yeah. it is a national disgrace. yeah. >> no, absolutely. well, look, let's look at the i, uh, sunak plots election trap for starmer on spending. so i think the idea is that they're going to sort of announce three years of their budget. uh, i mean, is, is there any trap that's actually going to work at this point? uh, to work at this point? no. uh, let's move on. moving on. now >> but, you know, they're desperate. we've seen that in so many different ways. so labour in keir starmer in the shadow chancellor reeves chancellor rachel reeves are trying to follow a similar playbook to what blair and brown

did before the 97 election. and basically say you can trust us with your money, with public money, you can trust us with the economy because we're basically going follow the same frugal going to follow the same frugal attitude that the incumbent tories have . that's the tories have. that's the strategy. it's worked before . strategy. it's worked before. the polling would suggest it's working . so. so according to working now. so. so according to the page of the rishi the front page of the i, rishi sunakis the front page of the i, rishi sunak is therefore going to try and lay out three years of spending and try and look more generous , indicate generous, try and indicate places he can spend money. places where he can spend money. you already with high you saw it already with high speed two being scrapped and then giving all of these places where he'll spend the money, some of which were already built and spent. so mislead , and spent. so it's mislead, lying, and think they're lying, and i think they're trying labour look like trying to make labour look like the ungenerous ones, the ones that don't have ambition. >> but don't you think that just looks to the average person, completely disengaged ? completely disengaged? >> of course it does. it's too little, too late. it's like if they were planning all these things, have they waited 12 things, why have they waited 12 years yeah years to do it? yeah >> we wanted get to the

>> we just wanted to get to the right moment. yeah. we teasing you. finally they're going right moment. yeah. we teasing yo actually nally they're going right moment. yeah. we teasing yo actually nally thel 're going right moment. yeah. we teasing yo actually nally thel thinking to actually deliver. i think it's they will try it's not only that they will try and out plans they and lay out these plans so they can know, x place, can say, you know, x place, you'll a new hospital. you'll get a new hospital. >> they did that one last time. they haven't to fruition. >> they did that one last time. theyknow,n't to fruition. >> they did that one last time. theyknow, you'll to fruition. >> they did that one last time. theyknow, you'll get) fruition. >> they did that one last time. theyknow, you'll get an uition. >> they did that one last time. theyknow, you'll get an upgraded you know, you'll get an upgraded school. those kind of things that might be able to point that they might be able to point to with these three year spending would spending plans. but i would also wonder, as any wonder, as a cynic, as any journalist be, whether it journalist should be, whether it would bit a would actually be a bit of a trap try get labour to trap to try and get labour to say, okay, well, we'll spend say, oh, okay, well, we'll spend a more then they can go, a bit more and then they can go, aha, you can't labour, aha, you can't trust labour, you're to be the big you're still going to be the big spenders. you're still going to be the big speyou're going to get that >> you're not going to get that free whatever. free broadband or whatever. >> was of >> exactly. that was one of jeremy corbyn's policies. wasn't it. few days, it. but in the past few days, clearly and spend is going clearly tax and spend is going to at the heart of this to be at the heart of this election because labour has said it £28 for it will borrow £28 billion for green invest moment. green energy. invest moment. however, several however, you've had several stories in the past week of them saying, actually, we don't want to because we're too to do that because we're too worried that makes word worried that that makes the word borrowing labour the same borrowing and labour in the same sentence too much, that that bnngs sentence too much, that that brings memories. sentence too much, that that brin know, memories. sentence too much, that that brin know, i memories. sentence too much, that that brin know, i thinknemories. sentence too much, that that brin know, i thinknemorieis you know, i think labour is actually going really actually going to be really quite conservative quite fiscally conservative because so nervous. because it's so nervous.

>> well, certainly leading up to the and what they're the election and what they're going say, but tying going to say, but also tying yourself, linda, to yourself, i mean, linda, to these of promises. i mean, these kind of promises. i mean, you know, the tories can really say want at point. >> yeah, but that doesn't matter, does it? can say matter, does it? they can say what . words are cheap. what they want. words are cheap. and think the and i think do you think the voters now know that? oh, i think people have think they've most people have worked absolutely . worked it out. yeah absolutely. people journalists people never mind journalists are now cynical. yeah. they're very very cynical about politicians . yeah for sure. politicians. yeah for sure. >> we'll see if labour falls for this trap. uh tellee. telegraph has something similar. number 10 plans to end iht ahead of election . uh, what are they election. uh, what are they doing there? this is a spring giveaway. >> inheritance tax? that's right. i mean, i neveri >> inheritance tax? that's right. i mean, i never i thought it was a menopause thing. well, the telegraph doesn't like you thought it hrt. thought it was hrt. >> that's it. >> that's it. >> but the telegraph doesn't like say inheritance tax. like to say inheritance tax. it's yeah , i must it's like. yeah, yeah, i must say it's a funny headline. >> it's a funny thing. well, i know it would be a long headline, but it's a funny thing to put in a headline. i used to write headlines for the daily

mail when i did a brief spell of subbing, just you're subbing, and that just you're right, first look at right, when you first look at it, you think hrt, women, right, when you first look at it, yit's hink hrt, women, right, when you first look at it, yit's just hrt, women, right, when you first look at it, y it's just a rt, women, right, when you first look at it, yit's just a silly women, right, when you first look at it, yit's just a silly thing)men, right, when you first look at it, y it's just a silly thing to en, iht, it's just a silly thing to put in a headline, but the story, the subject of inheritance tax, that's important. >> it's a big story. yes. and it's important to a of it's important to a lot of voters. yeah, absolutely . so is voters. yeah, absolutely. so is this do you think that this is indication of an early vote? >> i don't know, i mean , i think >> i don't know, i mean, i think the conservative party will, uh, cling in. yeah, absolutely. what do you think ? do you think? >> what do you think they'll aboush >> what do you think they'll abolish inheritance tax? >> i think they would like to. i think they'd like to. >> but, you know, i think if liz truss prime truss had stayed as prime minister, you probably would have this have seen something this radical, some people radical, which some people would cheen radical, which some people would cheer. be one of cheer. i wouldn't be one of them. suggestion here that them. the suggestion here that again cynical . they say again makes me cynical. they say that in three months they they're to announce that they're looking to announce that they'll inheritance they'll abolish inheritance tax. well we've seeing we could well we've been seeing we could be the election by then. >> exactly. yeah. >> exactly. yeah. >> election. would >> spring election. that would be seeing be convenient. we've been seeing these in the papers for these stories in the papers for much this year. the much of this year. the government has a problem that we have highest tax burden that

have the highest tax burden that anybody working age ever anybody of working age has ever seen. anybody of working age has ever seen . and the problem is that, seen. and the problem is that, you know, they keep saying, oh, we're reduce taxes. we're going to reduce the taxes. and you think, oh, god, and wait until rishi sunak out who and you think, oh, god, and wait untiblokei sunak out who and you think, oh, god, and wait untiblokei sun did out who and you think, oh, god, and wait untiblokei sun did that out who and you think, oh, god, and wait untiblokei sun did that was. vho the bloke that did that was. well obviously it was as well obviously it was him as chancellor. and so the implication, statement in implication, the statement in this daily telegraph article is that they need something that captures the public imagination, that actually looks like a gear change inherits tax, only change and inherits tax, only raises £7 billion a year, which relative to a lot of taxes. >> i agree with that much money. >> i agree with that much money. >> so maybe this, but it does capture public imagination. capture the public imagination. exactly. a cut exactly. so maybe this is a cut that afford . the other that they can afford. the other problem that jeremy hunt problem is that jeremy hunt doesn't want tax cuts. really because they cause to because they can cause to inflation go up, which is a much bigger problem in heritance tax doesn't affect inflation on other things. >> it's balancing act. the >> it's a balancing act. the times are talking about trying to woo the voters and talking also about endless stories and endless promises that have tories to woo these first time buyers. now this is again an issue that has been raised

absolutely more than a decade now. and it really comes down to not building enough houses. >> well, it comes down to several things. well, i think this is a very important story, and i think that the conservative party should have approached this, tried to tackle it a lot earlier because this is the issue that troubles, for example, my children, probably your age group as well. i mean , your age group as well. i mean, i've got, as i said earlier, 30 year old son, 26 year old son, 23 year old daughter, um , the 26 23 year old daughter, um, the 26 year old and 23 year old son simply do not conceive that they will own their property for many, many years . and because many, many years. and because they live in london, they are going to have to spend a huge proportion of their income on rent . and we're talking about my rent. and we're talking about my daughter's an architect, my son works theatre. that's works in theatre. that's not particularly but particularly well paid, but at least a decent career. least it's a decent career. you know, difficult. know, it's very, very difficult. the have the tories should have tackled this they want to hold on to this if they want to hold on to younger viewers, which maybe the younger viewers, which maybe the younger voters they just given. >> is it two too little, too

late again, it's too little too late. >> i don't think this is going to make young people vote tory. um, you maybe they um, and, you know, maybe they should, know, make tackle should, you know, make tackle rents well. you know, the rents as well. you know, the rents as well. you know, the rents are cheaper so that people can save to buy a house. it's not just about, you being not just about, you know, being able a house. you need to able to buy a house. you need to have the money to it. you have the money to do it. and you can't that while you're can't do that while you're paying can't do that while you're paying rent. >> can't get younger voters >> you can't get younger voters if to if you don't do something to accommodate them. yeah. >> forecast is that >> i mean, the forecast is that in next year, house prices in the next year, house prices will fall, rents will will fall, but rents will continue rise. so you know, continue to rise. so you know, the practicality of those people trying to get the housing trying to get on the housing ladden trying to get on the housing ladder. slight in ladder. the slight fall in house pnces ladder. the slight fall in house prices nothing when prices will mean nothing when more money is going into rent. so you can't save up and this yean so you can't save up and this year, you know, rent rise, inflation has been about 16, you know, and i think a lot of the figures that we use to describe the effect of the economy on people's lives completely miss that kind of reality. in fact, people house prices have people, the house prices have fallen by 20. >> i am told by the leading sort of marketeer for one of the biggest state agencies. they may drop but that doesn't

drop further, but that doesn't help got to come up help when you've got to come up with socking great deposit, help when you've got to come up with it?ocking great deposit, help when you've got to come up with it? and|g great deposit, help when you've got to come up with it? and you've: deposit, help when you've got to come up with it? and you've: de|also does it? and you've got also rising costs in these other areas. >> yeah . my eldest is 14 and to >> yeah. my eldest is 14 and to be honest, i don't see this problem getting sorted out by then. >> anyway, promised to get >> anyway, they promised to get rid leasehold laws didn't >> anyway, they promised to get rid theyeasehold laws didn't >> anyway, they promised to get rid they still1old laws didn't >> anyway, they promised to get rid they still haven't's didn't >> anyway, they promised to get rid they still haven't done 1't they? they still haven't done that. not. coming up we're >> why not. coming up we're going have from our going to have more from our paper and going to paper review. and i'm going to name my greatest britain and union jackasses. don't go anywhere

welcome back. and it's time to return to the second liveliest paper review show on telly. and more front pages have been delivered hot off the press . delivered hot off the press. yes, we have the guardian x gq chief warns ministers over government by whatsapp. the mirror nhs parking scandal gets worse . dozens of under fives in worse. dozens of under fives in the mail here referred to nhs gender service. finally, the sun cashback with a bang. well,

returning to my panellist, let's go straight away. linda, you mentioned this here. the whatsapp you provide training to government ministers, not to government ministers, not to government ministers. >> our >> sir, it's actually our emergency . and what emergency services. and what i try and do sometimes is a is a look at the landscape. and look at the media landscape. and i hierarchy of i look at the hierarchy of social media platforms. but i always talk about whatsapp because so many people use it and they all regard it as completely secure because it's end to end encrypted, but it's nowhere near as secure as you think it is. i mean, look at how embarrassing the whatsapp messages have been for boris johnson and for matt hancock. you look at some of the messages that dominic cummings was was sending out over whatsapp. they were really disgrace . were really disgrace. >> why are they not learning? there >> because i think they live in an echo chamber and just an echo chamber and they just pay an echo chamber and they just pay mean, pay no attention. i mean, i think, you know, whatsapp is a relatively recent development and think there's certain and i think there's a certain level of naivety at first of, you know, in most people in our work lives, do a lot it work lives, we do a lot of it over text messaging and whatsapp, think maybe

whatsapp, and i think maybe there a level of informality there is a level of informality to recent years, to government in recent years, but think in a public but also i think in a public interest way , it is unacceptable interest way, it is unacceptable because you've seen with both rishi sunak and boris johnson, they've had thousands of messages claim have messages they claim have disappeared and so we can't trace the decision making that sturgeon are making. >> exactly. yes yes. >> exactly. yes yes. >> now whatsapp you can >> and also now whatsapp you can set it to have. so that disappears . disappears. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you can delete that is >> you can delete now that is unprecedented in terms of how government communications have no record exactly . and we should no record exactly. and we should have record of how decisions are made that can end up being made both that can end up being publicly available if necessary . publicly available if necessary. but also, you know, as a matter of, of legal responsibility , is of, of legal responsibility, is it not a legal requirement that it's a matter of record? well, i think is , but clearly there's think it is, but clearly there's been a setup. well, rishi lost his didn't he? yeah. all you do is you lost so you lost is say you lost it, so you lost it when you get a new phone. now, this that's it when you get a new phone. nova this that's it when you get a new phone. nova phone this that's it when you get a new phone. nova phone will this that's it when you get a new phone. nova phone will know that's it when you get a new phone. nova phone will know thats got a new phone will know that their whatsapps are still there. >> called >> we have something called a cloud. well, cloud. yeah, exactly. well, we've since the sort of we've moved on since the sort of nixon tapes, uh, daily mail,

dozens referred dozens of under fives referred to nhs gender service. uh, we've dozens of under fives referred to nigot|ender service. uh, we've dozens of under fives referred to nigot a1der service. uh, we've dozens of under fives referred to nigot a few service. uh, we've dozens of under fives referred to nigot a few minutes uh, we've dozens of under fives referred to nigot a few minutes uh, 'on ve only got a few minutes left on the show, but benjamin and i. yeah. >> oh. that's good. >> oh. that's good. >> did you move yeah. >> did you move on? yeah. i mean, this is. more than mean, this is. yeah. more than 73 year old children 73 and four year old children are sent to the are set sent to the controversial clinic . gosh. i controversial clinic. gosh. i mean, there's so much i mean, it's only 70 people in the whole country, so i really don't think that three year olds, a particularly figure. that three year olds, a par uh, arly figure. that three year olds, a paruh, irly figure. that three year olds, a paruh, i mean, figure. that three year olds, a paruh, i mean, you figure. that three year olds, a paruh, i mean, you know. that three year olds, a paruh, i mean, you know what? >> uh, i mean, you know what? you trans people that you will meet trans people that will recognised that in will describe recognised that in themselves young themselves at a young age in a way gay people would, themselves at a young age in a wajexample gay people would, themselves at a young age in a wajexample , gay people would, themselves at a young age in a wajexample , before eople would, themselves at a young age in a wajexample , before theye would, themselves at a young age in a wajexample , before they could d, for example, before they could put on it, i think the put a word on it, i think the problem that we have is that i mean, know, obviously it's mean, you know, obviously it's very that very unusual for someone of that age along these lines. age to think along these lines. but i think we have a lack of resource for assessing whether a young person , someone under 18, young person, someone under 18, is transgender or not. and that's caused a lot of problems. you know, a friend of mine did detransition what detransition, and what he describes is the fact that counselling was so inadequate to actually understand issues actually understand his issues and he was now that both and whether he was now that both is mistake that can see people is a mistake that can see people go down route that shouldn't go down the route that shouldn't . also can that

. but it also can mean that people the help people that really need the help aren't and i think aren't getting it. and i think sometimes forgotten. sometimes that's forgotten. >> what you sometimes that's forgotten. >> think? what you sometimes that's forgotten. >> think? it's what you sometimes that's forgotten. >> think? it's obviously you sometimes that's forgotten. >> think? it's obviously il'sj guys think? it's obviously it's a never ending toxic subject. >> think a three year old >> but i think a three year old i mean though children of that age, i mean, you know, they believe they are believe that they are a dinosaur. you know, they i don't i honestly believe that i'm their dad. >> yeah. they there's no . okay. >> yeah. they there's no. okay. >> yeah. they there's no. okay. >> you know, i a boy a boy of three who wants to play with dolls. i think it'd be very easy for a parent to now think, well, maybe he's actually. >> yeah. you have to act on it. >>— >> yeah. you have to act on it. >> yeah. you have to act on it. >> yeah. and also, we have to ask about whether it's coming from the parents. >> that's personal >> but that's my personal opinion. yeah are going to opinion. yeah we are going to reveal greatest britain reveal today's greatest britain and jackass face jackass and union jackass face jackass jackass i don't know. here we go. let's find out. so linda, who do you think is your. >> so my hero is a young woman called laura macy, who, um , who called laura macy, who, um, who has just donated her kidney to a

complete stranger for a friend of mine . and his twin brother of mine. and his twin brother did this about 7 or 8 years ago. they both gave a kidney to completely unknown people. apparently there are 83 people who did this. this year in the uk, and i can't think of anything more , um, courageous or anything more, um, courageous or self sacrificing than to give a vital organ away. that is amazing to a complete stranger. >> yeah, not to diminish them, but i have to move on very quickly. i'm sorry , am i talking quickly. i'm sorry, am i talking about great britain ? about my great britain? >> taylor a seven year >> is olivia taylor a seven year old girl with a brain tumour who had tea with, oh, yeah. >> there we are. we see footage of her today. yeah. you're right. i've seen the right. i've seen her in the headunes right. i've seen her in the headlines that was headlines and i thought that was a lovely hillary. a beautiful, lovely hillary. >> is stephen fry for >> uh, mine is stephen fry for the reasons we discussed earlier. >> you know what i'm going to go with linda, but i'm also going to with the people who've to go with all the people who've donated think that's donated organs. i think that's an special thing to an incredibly special thing to do. yeah respect them. i'm sorry that about it that we can't talk about it a little bit further. let's do our jackasses, linda. >> definitely thames water authority. get me

authority. i cannot even get me started. we've only got a started. yeah, we've only got a minute left. if you've only got 60s. but how? people can annoy customers. shareholders alike in a perfect storm of incompetence is unbelievable. >> mine is my union. jackass is the fox hunting campaigners threatening the labour party? look, we've got much more important issues than your desire to rip a fox apart. i think they need to get a grip. >> and hillary finally mine is potentially blasphemous, but it's the pope for. >> oh, wow. >> oh, wow. >> okay , right. >> okay, right. >> okay, right. >> sinead o'connor. >> sinead o'connor. >> i've got too much hair for that. um, for calling for calling the israeli, um , calling the israeli, um, government terrorists . so government terrorists. so calling for peace and then using inflammatory language like terrorists to describe a government and its army. you know what? >> legitimately, i'm going to be a good jew and go with the pope on this one. >> well, i'm a catholic, so i will be oh, you're gonna stay awake that one. >> you so much to >> anyway. thank you so much to my panellists. thank you for joining have patrick joining us. here we have patrick christie. he's going to be back tomorrow but it's

tomorrow at 9 pm, but now it's going to time for headliners. going to be time for headliners. thank guys for and thank you guys for watching and have night. have a great night. >> a brighter outlook boxt >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar of weather on . gb news. >> hello there , i'm greg >> hello there, i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather. we've got storm garrett on the way. after what has been a fairly calm boxing day, it does turn very unsettled. expect some travel disruption over the next 24 hours. storm garrett is going to move in tight. isobars indicating very strong winds across the country. some heavy rain and blizzards across scotland as well. this evening. time dry across the north—east of the uk, but further south and west , rain quickly of the uk, but further south and west, rain quickly piling in, turning heavy as we move into the early hours , the winds the early hours, the winds picking up too, with gales around the coast generally mild tonight as the temperatures rise and the cloud and the rain moves in some icy stretches across northern scotland . and as the northern scotland. and as the rain bumps into the colder air across higher ground of across the higher ground of scotland, we will see this turn

to snow. and we've been strengthening winds. we could see some blizzards developing 6070 mile an hour. gusts are possible and the rain heavy across much of the uk, leading to spray on the roads and some local flooding. very mild temperatures 1213 celsius but wind gusts 40 to 50 miles an houn wind gusts 40 to 50 miles an hour. 60 to 70 around the coast . hour. 60 to 70 around the coast. it will feel cooler than this thursday. it remains unsettled and further blustery showers across the uk. some of these heavy, at times gusty winds for all, some brighter spells at times in between those showers moving through and temperatures generally around , if not generally around, if not a little above average for the time of year, then it stays unsettled and right through into the weekend . the weekend. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> good evening. your top stories from the gp newsroom. the uk is bracing itself for storm garrett, which is set to batter much of the country , with batter much of the country, with drivers now being warned of potentially hazardous conditions on their way home from the christmas holiday the christmas holiday. the met office several yellow office has issued several yellow weather warnings from midnight into the early hours on thursday, with alerts for strong wind , rain and snow. gusts wind, rain and snow. gusts between 50 to 70mph will sweep across the country, with high ground and exposed coasts being