it with overpromoted underqualified civil servants landing senior jobs that they mostly do from home. so does whitehall need a clear out.7 and as it's revealed that tony blair considered asylum , sending considered asylum, sending asylum seekers to africa back in 2004, when he was prime minister is labour's opposition to the government's rwanda plan a teeny weeny bit hypocritical concern .7 weeny bit hypocritical concern? mp james daly has sparked supposed outrage for claiming i'm going to say this word once. forgive me if you find it offensive, but this is a direct quote claiming crap. parents are

to blame for struggling children , but is he right and is it time for parents to take more responsibility for their own kids? finally as 2023 draws to a close, we're asking you our new year's resolutions. bad for us? can they put too much pressure on people ? that's all to come in on people? that's all to come in the next hour . but first, the the next hour. but first, the latest news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> thank you. dawn i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom am. poland says russian missile is likely to have entered its airspace. according to the head of the polish armed forces. both poland and nato's radar systems spotted an unidentified aerial object over the country's territory . see nato secretary territory. see nato secretary general jens stoltenberg says the military alliance stands in

solidarity with poland, and that it remains vigilant. it's understood groups of soldiers are performing on the ground verification of the missile's flight path . here in the uk, the flight path. here in the uk, the government has promised to send around 200 air defence missiles to ukraine after russia launched a massive air attack overnight. it comes as rishi sunak condemned the russian president for the latest bombardment, saying putin will stop at nothing to eradicate freedom and democracy. officials say 31 civilians have been killed and at least 120 injured following a series of attacks on critical infrastructure and military facilities. ukraine says 27 drones and 87 cruise missiles were intercepted in the biggest bombardment since the war began . bombardment since the war began. one person has died in scotland following an outbreak of e coli . following an outbreak of e coli. it's after the uk health security agency confirmed it's currently investigating 30 cases across england and scotland to identify any potential links to

a brand of cheese . the food a brand of cheese. the food standards agency has announced a precautionary recall of four products from mrs. kirkham's lancashire cheese because of possible e coli contamination . possible e coli contamination. the family of a man who was killed while trying to save a stranger in sheffield, says the tragic circumstances show the sort of man that he was . chris sort of man that he was. chris marriott went to the aid of an unconscious woman when he was hit by a car which had ploughed into a crowd of people on wednesday. he's in a life threatening condition in hospital. a 23 year old man arrested on suspicion of murder and attempted murder remains in custody , while a 55 year old has custody, while a 55 year old has been released on bail. witness tarik naili says people were fighting in the street beforehand . beforehand. >> i found a lot of people gathering around and screaming and a car crashed into the sign next door and a lot of, uh , next door and a lot of, uh, fighting over there. i think 6 or 7 people fighting each other ,

or 7 people fighting each other, uh, opposite side . and there is uh, opposite side. and there is one guy, uh, in his 20s. uh his face is full of blood and one woman lying down on, uh, beside . woman lying down on, uh, beside. a british woman and her son have died after an avalanche swept through the french alps. >> the 54 year old and her 22 year old son were skiing with family on mont blanc when the disaster occurred. a search and rescue mission involving around 20 emergency workers lasted five hours. authorities say another person, believed to be an instructor, escaped with minor injuries. the foreign office says it's supporting the family of those who died . the uk could of those who died. the uk could feel close to freezing as the clock strikes midnight on new year's eve, with forecasters warning of 75 mile an hour winds across parts of england and wales. meanwhile around 100 homes in greater manchester are still dealing with the aftermath of a suspected tornado. more yellow weather alerts have been

issued from 11:00 tomorrow morning . weatherjournalist morning. weather journalist nathan rao says the challenging conditions are set to continue into 2020. >> for now, the uk met office has said that the irish met office. met office. met eireann might name this storm on saturday as tom henke because it's coming in a deep, low pressure system from the west across ireland first, which will take the brunt of the winds and then into the united kingdom where be rain and some where there'll be rain and some significant hill snow in scotland, because as that storm comes and bumps up against comes in and bumps up against cold air, that going to bring cold air, that is going to bring some snow. so up there some hill snow. so up there where they've had heavy snow from, storm garage already, where they've had heavy snow frorsomethingrm garage already, where they've had heavy snow frorsomething to garage already, where they've had heavy snow fror something to watch. already, it's something to watch. a couple have been arrested after spreading blood across the spreading fake blood across the gates downing street. gates of downing street. >> and woman through the >> the man and woman through the paint in protest, demanding a ceasefire in the israel—hamas war . they said government war. they said the government had its hands after had blood on its hands after refusing demand israel end refusing to demand israel end its bombing of gaza , calling it its bombing of gaza, calling it a massacre of biblical proportions. both suspects are now in custody . and jack

now in custody. and jack grealish is expected to play for manchester city tomorrow after burglars raided the home of the england midfielder. £1 million worth of jewellery and watches are said to have been stolen while he was playing for manchester city against everton . manchester city against everton. the footballer's family and fiancee were reportedly in the house time, but nobody house at the time, but nobody was no arrests have been was harmed. no arrests have been made . this is gb news across uk made. this is gb news across uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to dawn . now it's back to dawn. >> thank you sophia. welcome to dewbs& co with me dawn neesom. now joining me until seven is my brilliant panel tonight we have political politics professor and pollster matt goodwin and trade unionist and broadcaster paul embery . thank you very much for embery. thank you very much for joining me, gentlemen. pleasure weird time of year. where no one really knows what they're doing.

is it? >> know what day is it today? we've got three seconds. it's still christmas, isn't it? still merry christmas, isn't it? >> the days of >> because it's the 12 days of christmas. so we can say that still 5th. still until january the 5th. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> no idea what >> still have no idea what actual day it is though. does anyone know at this time of yean day anyone know at this time of year, day yeah. year, what day it is? yeah. >> monday. >> monday. >> don't me. it's >> don't frighten me. it's definitely monday. any definitely not a monday. any case, you can get in touch with us? everything we're talking about by emailing about today by emailing gbviews@gbnews.com about today by emailing gbviews@gbnews. at n about today by emailing gbviews@gbnews. at gb news. simple on twitter at gb news. now let's get straight on to it, shall a new report from the shall we? a new report from the institute government institute for government says civil being civil servants are being overpromoted get around a overpromoted to get around a whitehall pay squeeze grade inflation in whitehall is costing £1.5 billion a year. that's your money, by the way. taxpayers money and resulting in less qualified, qualified staff doing senior jobs. the think doing seniorjobs. the think tank also warns that top officials , who cannot be officials, who cannot be promoted because of the pay squeeze, are experiencing much bigger pay cuts, driving the talented people to the private sector. the think tank warns that this is going to be a disaster for the civil service

and a disaster for us, but the question tonight is, is a civil service completely out of control? do the government need to get a handle on it, and who the hell is running the country, civil servants or the government aren't? i'm going to come to you first on this one, matt. what what has gone wrong with the civil service? all we seem to hear that they're not doing hear is that they're not doing their jobs. they're working from home. a lot of what's happening basically , i think there's a lot basically, i think there's a lot of going with of things going wrong with the civil service >> not a >> it's not been a great year for the people that effectively run the british state. we've had, know, clear had, you know, pretty clear signs in the signs of political bias in the civil we've now got civil service we've now got reports under qualified reports that under qualified people being promoted , people are being over promoted, and another piece of and we've got another piece of evidence in this report that that even really qualified, that even the really qualified, highly are often highly talented people are often leaving for the private sector because they're getting because they're not getting paid enough. i would add to that enough. um, i would add to that also, we've got this working enough. um, i would add to that also, home got this working enough. um, i would add to that also, home issue. is working enough. um, i would add to that also, home issue. it working enough. um, i would add to that also, home issue. i was king enough. um, i would add to that also, home issue. i was in|g from home issue. i was in a let's just say, civil service department recently. i won't tell one. and was tell you which one. and i was struck floors struck walking around the floors of this office building in early

december because nobody was there, nobody at all was there because everybody was working from home. and i think what all of this is mounting up to is a is a bit of a crisis for the civil service, a perception out there, many of your viewers may share may share this, that pubuc share may share this, that public in this country public institute in this country aren't way aren't quite working the way they they're too they should. they're too political. they're not productive enough. they haven't got the right people in place. productive enough. they haven't got tiof right people in place. productive enough. they haven't got tiof course, ople in place. productive enough. they haven't got tiof course, was in place. productive enough. they haven't got tiof course, was always:e. this, of course, was always dominic cummings argument that actually , if you want to fix the actually, if you want to fix the big issues like immigration, if you want to the big issues you want to fix the big issues like you've get like brexit, you've got to get the organs of the state working in a much more effective way. and that's not happening and clearly that's not happening as yet. as of yet. >> clue should be in the >> the clue should be in the word service, shouldn't paul word service, shouldn't it? paul i them are still i mean, half of them are still working home. these are working from home. these are like would like statistics. 73% would rather that way and 40% rather it stay that way and 40% of them would rather resign in rather than going back to the office. >> well, i'm not i'm not a particular fan of the modern civil service but there's no doubt that many of them have suffered real terms pay cuts.

even junior civil servants have suffered something like 12% real terms since 2010, 23. terms pay cuts since 2010, 23. the further you go up the ladder and people get angry about that, they're sick of being promised jam tomorrow. and at the end of the day, if you force down people's pay, um, then then you're going to have a low morale service and you're going to have a service that isn't as effective as it ought to be. that doesn't mean to say there isn't some implicit bias within the service. i certainly think there we've got an there is. i think we've got an activist service and activist civil service now, and they've always kind of resisted any challenge to the any serious challenge to the status quo, even going back to the 1970s when you had tony benn as a radical labour minister, wrote about wrote in his diaries about how he constantly blocked from he was constantly blocked from the by the civil service, the civil by the civil service, from sort of from implementing the sort of radical policies that he wanted to implement. i do think to implement. so i do think there's a separate issue about bias about the fact that bias and about the fact that it's cornerstone of democracy, it's a cornerstone of democracy, that we supposed to have an that we are supposed to have an impartial you impartial civil service. and you look way the civil look at the way the civil service kind of acted around some of the stuff with priti patel and dominic raab, they

patel and dominic raab, and they were instrumental and were kind of instrumental and deliberately put in blocks. there's question there's no question that some civil were instrumental civil servants were instrumental in whipping some of that in whipping up some of that stuff . and it seems that if the stuff. and it seems that if the if there is if there's if there is a if there's a particular policy or minister that isn't in keeping and whose views are not in keeping with the majority kind of civil servant view, and of course , servant view, and of course, they have their own politics, we're told they don't have their own politics or they keep their politics private, but actually they had their politics. they all had their own politics. and there's policy on and if there's a policy on minister who isn't , isn't, minister who who isn't, isn't, you know, a favourite of the civil service if it's the policy, they'll try whatever way they to, to try to block it. they can to, to try to block it. if it's the minister, they'll do what they did to patel and raab. um, we do we do need to look um, so we do we do need to look at that. and do need at that. and i do think we need to, think about, you to, to think hard about, you know, whether we do still have an independent civil service but but there is the but nonetheless, there is the wage and you the wage issue. and if you want the best if you don't best people and if you don't want people to be overpromoted, you to make sure you pay

you do need to make sure you pay people properly. real people properly. and the real terms pay cut, i think, has had a real serious in that a real serious impact in that regard. this, this latest a real serious impact in that reg.um this, this latest a real serious impact in that reg.um , this, this latest a real serious impact in that reg.um , um,|is, this latest a real serious impact in that reg.um , um, the :his latest a real serious impact in that reg.um , um, the :his latinflation ah, um, um, the grade inflation thing basically just thing is basically just massaging figures because if massaging the figures because if the rises had been given in the pay rises had been given in line the private sector , line with the private sector, the bill would be pretty much the bill would be pretty much the . the same. >> mean, it's like we >> so, i mean, it's like we should have given them the should have just given them the pay should have just given them the pay rather than this pay rises rather than this massaging by promoting massaging things by promoting them a higher grade. them so they get a higher grade. but enough for but they're not good enough for the and that's the problem the job. and that's the problem here. um now the thing is, so we feel sorry for them. and, you know, a lot of them would say they do a very hard job. they're working very hard. a lot of them are on fairly low wages . working very hard. a lot of them are on fairly low wages. i are on on fairly low wages. i mean, we think of the sort of people living in the home counties loads of money, but counties on loads of money, but i mean, you know, the average, uh, civil servant is on £27,000 a year, not a lot of money, is it? um, and we have been starting calling blob as starting calling the blob as well. so should feeling well. so should we start feeling a sorry for them a little bit sorry for them here? are we being a bit too hard on them? >> i think the civil servants overall do a really good job. i

think, know, the average think, you know, the average wage lower the median wage is lower than the median wage is lower than the median wage this country. i know wage in this country. i know lots servants. they're lots of civil servants. they're really good people. they're trying the country trying to make the country a better it's true better place. but it's also true at same that too often, at the same time that too often, as paul says, as we have seen the service become quite the civil service become quite activist in politics. mean, activist in politics. i mean, just think of the more just think of some of the more prominent examples this year. looking we had the looking back on 2023, we had the head of a very senior civil servant coming out saying that that he was a remainer. he felt that he was a remainer. he felt that he was a remainer. he felt that he needed to project his his views on brexit to his staff. we then had civil servants threatening to strike over the rwanda policy. now whatever you think about rwanda, if you think it's a good idea, you think it's a bad idea, we'll come on and talk about it later on.the come on and talk about it later on. the fact is, it's being put forward by a democratic elected government. of the government. so the job of the civil service is to implement policies that are brought forward by the government of the day, not to intervene in a politically biased way. so we had that . we also had them had that. we also had them intervene over a lot of issues, not just to do with dominic raab

and priti patel. we also had them leaking information, tweeting around dominic cummings and in way and the government. and in a way i think what makes me sad about the you know, the civil service is, you know, they used say it's rolls they used to say it's a rolls royce. uh institution within british government it seems to have undermined itself . have undermined itself. actually, it seems to have weakened itself and i think this isn't about the civil isn't just about the civil servants major servants in every major corporation political servants in every major corftoday.| political servants in every major corftoday. and political servants in every major corftoday. and also political servants in every major corftoday. and also in,)litical servants in every major corftoday. and also in, in:ical servants in every major corftoday. and also in, in the life today. and also in, in the private sector. i think we have new generations of workers who 90, 9° new generations of workers who go, go into the office and they they don't think they're there to do a job. i think they think they're to change the they're there to change the world some way, to try and world in some way, to try and project their private beliefs onto role. and i think onto their role. and i think ultimately to ultimately that that needs to stop. start? stop. when did that start? >> we get to this place? >> how do we get to this place? >> how do we get to this place? >> i think, well, that's >> um, i think, well, that's written length this. written at length about this. i think , you know, many of our, of think, you know, many of our, of our institutions are filled with people subscribe to that people who subscribe to that woke ideology. i think probably if you trace it right back, you could probably back to could probably trace it back to the when the university is the 60s when the university is chucked thousands chucked out, thousands and thousands a kind

thousands of people with a kind of progressive almost of progressive, almost revolutionary . um, and revolutionary worldview. um, and those people came of age in the 80s and 90 and began to, to stamp their authority and their influence on public life and in our institutions and many of those people are now the kind of leaders our institution. leaders of our institution. they're kind hyper they're very kind of hyper liberal approach , um, liberal in their approach, um, to, to, to politics. they have very little room for what you might call small c conservative values , which is still the kind values, which is still the kind of politics that runs through much of the working class in this country, including many, many thousands, millions of people who once upon a time considered themselves labour voters. um, and the kind of people who, who lead our public institutions and much of our media and much of our politics, i think, are very disconnected from that view. and it's because of , that disconnect, that of that, that disconnect, that chasm. i think world chasm. i think in the world views ordinary voters , on the views of ordinary voters, on the one hand, and the leaders of our institutions, the political and media class on the other, that we end things like we did end up with things like brexit and we ended with the

brexit and we ended up with the 2019 election, where many people in the red wall voted for the for the first time, conservative. but but there's no there's no doubt that i think many working class people look at institutions and think, at our institutions and think, you don't speak and you you don't speak for me and you don't understand me. >> problem, isn't it? >> that's the problem, isn't it? now, sunak did announced now, sunak did a last announced last all civil last month that all civil servants needed to be back in the 60% time. um, the office 60% of the time. um, only of the 19 departments only 11 of the 19 departments have actually listened to him. i think a clear hint there. think that's a clear hint there. who is actually running the country and all very well. country and it's all very well. them low low them saying low morale, low wages, etc. but there's lots of people out there waiting for their driving licence , waiting their driving licence, waiting for passports, trying to for their passports, trying to get through to the revenue and customs at the moment. and the tax office is almost impossible. three of us. it's three hours for some of us. it's it's yeah. who's running the country? i don't think it's the government precise government at this precise moment in time. right. okay. we move um, coming up as it move on. um, coming up as it emerges, tony blair considered sending to. sending asylum seekers to. oh, yeah, when he was prime yeah, africa when he was prime minister, would be asking, is labour's opposition to the

rwanda plan just a teeny bit hypocritical

>> see, you're listening to gb news radio . news radio. >> welcome back. this is dewbs& co with me dawn neesom and keeping me company until 7:00 tonight. it's my wonderful panel and that is our, um , paul and and that is our, um, paul and matt. now files released today that were formerly top secret show. tony blair considered radical solution to solve the issue. the issue of illegal migration when he was prime minister a detention camp on the isle of mull, and breaking into national law were among measures on migration presented to the former prime minister. he even considered a nuclear option of removing migrants to safe havens. in third party countries such as turkey , south africa and such as turkey, south africa and kenya. such as turkey, south africa and kenya . hmm. such as turkey, south africa and kenya. hmm. uh, given blair is said to be close to keir starmer

pulling the strings, some would say is labour's opposition to the rwanda plan just a tad hypocritical ? um, coming to you hypocritical? um, coming to you first on this one, paul. uh it is hypocritical, surely. i mean, it is. they've done everything they can to stop the rwanda plan and slated it every opportunity they were doing it in 2022, 23, 24. their idea shows how much the axis has shifted on the left that actually, once upon a time, many people on the left , many people on the left, including blair himself, clearly , although he had a very liberal approach to immigration, generally understood that control of the labour supply and controlling immigration generally, having some control over it, at least um, was important because the labour supply is a market dynamic, which , like all market dynamics , which, like all market dynamics, needs to be regulated so as to allow government to plan around things and things like welfare and jobs and housing and so on. >> 20 years ago, as we can see from from what's been revealed, that was not particularly a controversial position on the left. and in fact, if you go

back that time, it was the back to that time, it was the open borders position that was, if you like, more controversial and was more of a fringe position, you know, roll forward 20 years and that has turned full circle now. and actually, if you if from a position on the left and i know this from personal experience, as you argue in favour of control of the labour supply and strong borders open borders and you oppose open borders, you're almost regarded as sort of crank within the as some sort of crank within the labour movement or someone who's clearly closet tory or on the clearly a closet tory or on the side of nigel farage or even worse, a closet racist . well, worse, a closet racist. well, exactly and that gets exactly that. and that gets thrown at those of us on the left who argue for regulation of the labour supply all the time. so but what it does show so but what what it does show absolutely is there were absolutely is that there were people movement at people in the labour movement at the levels of government people in the labour movement at the understood; of government people in the labour movement at the understood thatjovernment people in the labour movement at the understood that yournment people in the labour movement at the understood that you cannot who understood that you cannot have a situation where then , as have a situation where then, as now, you have thousands of mainly young men, because it is mainly young men, because it is mainly young men turning up on our shores. >> and yeah, absolutely seeking asylum where they are genuine asylum where they are genuine asylum seekers. >> of course they deserve to be

treated as such, but many are economic refugees and we need to have honest debate. have an honest debate. >> you seen the ricky >> have you seen the ricky gervais out gervais armageddon clip went out on , and have you seen on netflix, and have you seen him getting taken to on him getting taken to task on social making an social media for making an observational comedy joke about about mostly being young men on the boats, which is actually a fact. the boats, which is actually a fact . and he's being tasked as fact. and he's being tasked as being a racist now. >> so, i mean, but if you look at the actual official government data , over 80% of the government data, over 80% of the people coming across the small boats are are mainly young men. the issue here is not only what we're living through, which is the radicalism of the left. as paul says, which is putting labour increasingly at odds with where a lot of voters are on these issues. i say this on twitter all the time, or x um, most people in britain want the boats to stop. they want the borders to be strengthened and they want less immigration. ocean. um, what? tony blair was discussing 20 years ago is what many european countries are

discussing today and what the national crime agency here in britain has said is the only thing that would make a tangible difference to stopping the boats, which is a deterrent. a third country deterrent, namely , third country deterrent, namely, if you come to britain, if legally you will be sent to another country and you will have your claim processed in another country. now, what's interesting is , um, rishi sunak interesting is, um, rishi sunak is pursuing that through the rwanda vote crunch vote in the new year. now look at the labour party today . they're now saying party today. they're now saying they're not only going to repeal that. rwanda plan, but they're going to repeal the illegal migration bill which rishi sunak brought, brought in. and so under a likely labour government at the next election, we're not only going to see legal migration increase because laboun migration increase because labour, to be frank , are pretty labour, to be frank, are pretty comfortable with legal migration . plan is on on . but their plan is on on illegal migration is clearly not going to work. they're saying they're going to smash the gangs, but anybody who's actually on that issue actually worked on that issue knows that's like whack a mole.

you get rid of one gang, there's another is what another gang. so this is what worries where we're worries me about where we're heading voters out heading in 2024. voters out there, your viewers are saying, stop this isn't that stop the boats. this isn't that difficult . change. international difficult. change. international laws in new legislation, laws bring in new legislation, have a third country deterrent, and we're heading into a labour government where suspect we'll government where i suspect we'll see of small boats see the number of small boats increase more. and yeah, increase even more. and yeah, obviously there is a human rights issue here. >> i mean, you know, we the one thing everybody wants, whether you're left or right you're on the left or the right or somewhere between, is we or somewhere in between, is we want stop people suffering at want to stop people suffering at the hands of criminal smuggling gangs. that's want to gangs. that's what we want to do. no one. and this is a depressing thing about this, this, story that's come out this, this story that's come out today nobody the last 20 today nobody in the last 20 years has got even close to touching to solving that touching that, to solving that problem . problem. >> and the problem is, dawn neesom the whole issue of neesom made the whole issue of immigration toxic in our politics and our society. politics and in our society. again, moved i've again, we kind of moved on. i've said times from the said this many times from the days of, you know, the national front being on the march in the 19705 front being on the march in the 1970s standing 1970s and, you know, standing people elections and so on,

people in elections and so on, and marching areas and marching through areas where there numbers of there are large numbers of ethnic minorities. um, and then we got to a position throughout the kind of 80s and 90s where people generally felt that the situation under control. you situation was under control. you know, the immigration was being managed was being managed properly. it was being regulated properly. numbers weren't and weren't terribly excessive. and then really began to see the then you really began to see the impacts of eu free movement. and then with eu enlargement in 2004, with the eastern european countries that suddenly had rocket boosters put underneath it , and the rocket boosters put underneath it, and the thing just became completely, uh, bad , poorly completely, uh, bad, poorly managed and poorly regulated . managed and poorly regulated. and, you know, that's the sad thing , that it's not that people thing, that it's not that people in this country have suddenly become in my view, anti—immigration. it's not that they were ever anti—immigration . they were ever anti—immigration. in my view, most people have always racist . always racist. >> well, and that's what people say, my most people say, in my view, most people have been immigration. >> they want the numbers >> they simply want the numbers to be managed properly. they want be. they want the want it to be. they want the numbers to be modest. and if that the case, and if we that were the case, and if we had, you decent had, you know, decent integration policies, which

had, you know, decent integr.been policies, which had, you know, decent integr.been absolutely1ich we've been absolutely rubbish at, about that. at, let's be honest about that. it wouldn't be the running sore in our politics it's in our politics that it's become. that's the real become. and that's the real tragedy. i think just just pick you thing. you up on one thing. >> maybe we disagree on this. i don't actually think integration policies are enough. think don't actually think integration policimany enough. think don't actually think integration policimany enouinn think don't actually think integration policimany enouinn thircountry what many people in this country want is just a lower want to see is just a lower overall level of migration. when tony blair came into office in 1997, net migration was was 50,000. net migration today is just short of 700,000. i mean , just short of 700,000. i mean, it's a it's a completely different , different era. how different, different era. how can you integrate communities when you are exposing a country to that level of constant churn and change and also, i would add the migration that we are now witnessing through the small boats and also through legal migration is not like the migration is not like the migration of the last 20 years. it's not mainly coming from within within the within europe, within the european union, much of the migration today is coming from nigeria, zimbabwe , afghanistan, nigeria, zimbabwe, afghanistan, outside of the european union,

it's not only more likely to be a net fiscal cost to britain's economy, but it's also culturally much more distinctive from migration that we've had in the past. so the integration issue, i think many people are out there are saying what's happening to my community, what's happening to my country, the quick answer to that is, if you want to get a more integrated country, you have to run sustainable levels of migration. we have to bring net migration. we have to bring net migration down, in my view, to around 100,000 a year so we can fully absorb the migration of the last 20 years while also changing our relationship with international we can international laws. so we can actually clamp down on illegal migration and the gangs that are pushing that into our country. >> i accept it is a numbers game. i accept it is a numbers game. i accept it is a numbers game because i think the you know what, incentive . and know what, what incentive. and this is the question, what incentive on newcomers incentive is there on newcomers to the numbers are to integrate if the numbers are so large? um, that actually, you know, they think, well, you know, they think, well, you know, there's loads of people

coming with me and we're living in our own kind of communities, almost like ghettos within main cities . um, i almost like ghettos within main cities. um, i often almost like ghettos within main cities . um, i often say that cities. um, i often say that now, can you every time you have that conversation and it's like, i think, well, yeah, people are integrating it. >> it's like, no, if you live in certain parts, i live in east london, i think, no, they're not. >> i think we have to we, we lots of people say we're a multicultural country. actually we don't have what you might terme in my view, genuine multiculturalism in this country. what we have are pockets mono, mono cultures pockets of mono, mono cultures within individual towns and cities, within those pockets cities, and within those pockets of mono culture. um, in these places , people are living places, people are living completely parallel lives. >> now, why is that? it's because the policy of multiculturalism , um, multiculturalism, um, prioritises minority group identities , cultures and identities, cultures and traditions and urges them to remain distinct from the wider community. this is where so many london columns commentate and columnists get it wrong. they think multiculturalism. well, if you critique multicultural ism, you're critiquing the wonder of diversity. actually people like

me who say we have a problem with multiculturalism. what we're saying is the ism bit the policy bit. we have a policy that that basically prioritises minority groups over the majority and tells the majority that they can celebrate any identity except their own. >> that's i think, unfortunately, gentlemen, we're running out of time. we could talk about this all night. running out of time. we could talk about this all night . and i talk about this all night. and i believe you will be talking about this a bit later, will you, with patrick christie. so patrick christie launching you, with patrick christie. so patricexclusive launching you, with patrick christie. so patric exclusive polling :hing you, with patrick christie. so patric exclusive polling at1g you, with patrick christie. so patric exclusive polling at 9:00, some exclusive polling at 9:00, which links directly this which links directly into this immigration issue . immigration issue. >> so you want to tune into that? >> definitely want to stay tuned for. have this show for. but we have on this show coming was conservative mp coming up was conservative mp james blame bad james daly right to blame bad parenting for struggling children? don't go too far

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made. thank very much for made. thank you very much for that. now, um, let's move that. now now, um, let's move on, shall tory mp for bury on, shall we? tory mp for bury nonh on, shall we? tory mp for bury north james daley, been north james daley, has been criticised saying children criticised for saying children who the products of who struggle are the products of parents who . i'm going to say parents who. i'm going to say this word again, apologies for offended, but it's a direct quote what said and quote from what he said and i think important to say are think it's important to say are the products of crap parents. he was up policies, put was talking up the policies, put forward by new conservatives, a group backbench conservative group of backbench conservative mps miriam cates and mps led by miriam cates and danny kruger. have danny kruger. the group have pushed a so—called family values message, with cates urging the government to use tax and benefit system to encourage mothers and fathers to stay at home. so is james daley right? can we blame bad parenting for struggling children ? do parents struggling children? do parents need to start taking more responsibility? i'm going to come to you, matt, on this one first. um, what what is so wrong with saying that bad parenting produces bad children ? produces bad children? >> well, i think the first thing

to say is i generally support what the new conservatives are about. they're trying to get a different debate within different debate going within the and here the conservative party. and here they're say, we don't they're trying to say, we don't talk enough about family stability breakdown of stability and the breakdown of family completely family life. so i completely agree don't like agree with that. i don't like the language. i think, um , the the language. i think, um, the fact many families are now , fact that many families are now, um, broken down, you know, separated and children being raised by single mums. i was raised by single mums. i was raised by single mums. i was raised by a single mum. um, i don't think that makes somebody a crap parent. if their children then go on to suffer, um, or to do less well than other kids in the education system or in professional life and whatever the underlying this debate is a really important point, though, which is we as a country, as a society , we have to get much society, we have to get much better at talking about the role of family within our or, uh, within our country, within our communities, because we do actually, i think , need to be actually, i think, need to be more like other countries that are not just thinking about how can we mum and dad back to can we get mum and dad back to work as possible

work as quickly as possible after a child? after having a child? but how can provide range of can we provide a range of incentives and policies that help mum and dad, and also encourage mum and dad to stay together and encourage them to have more children? because this is intimately linked to the demographic crisis that britain is facing. to be blunt, we're not children, so not having enough children, so if complaining about mass if you're complaining about mass migration, should also be migration, you should also be talking lot about how to fix a talking a lot about how to fix a demographic crisis. we need more children this country. and children in this country. and miriam to credit, and miriam cates, to her credit, and danny who lead the new danny kruger, who lead the new conservatives as far i can conservatives as far as i can see, have been the only front line politicians have been line politicians who have been out that this is an out there saying that this is an issue we really to push to issue we really need to push to the forefront of british politics. >> i it astonishing that >> i find it astonishing that we're about the family we're talking about the family like a bad thing, like it's a bad thing, like implying if you implying that, you know, if you are parent you choose to are a parent and you choose to stay home and look after your stay at home and look after your child, that is a bad thing. surely right to surely you have a right to choose it's not about, how choose and it's not about, how do we get to this thing that's saying the family is bad. what is family? is wrong with the family? >> it's not. and it's very important not lose sight of

important not to lose sight of the importance strong the importance of strong families. every study the importance of strong familiethe every study the importance of strong familiethe stronger every study the importance of strong familiethe stronger theery study the importance of strong familiethe stronger the familny the importance of strong familiethe stronger the family , shows the stronger the family, the more likely the child is to attain, you know , better things attain, you know, better things in his or her life, education or career opportunities. and so on. less likely to break the law , less likely to break the law, dabble with drugs, and suffer from mental health issues. so that's really important, but also to focus on, on also important to focus on, on the value of a strong society to, you know , make sure that to, you know, make sure that when they when your kids grow up and you've brought them up well and you've brought them up well and they leave home, that actually got good actually they've got a good job to into they've got to go into that they've got a good, solid, well—paid job in a steady industry that they can get housing ladder get on the housing ladder without having to pay extortionate rents or live in substandard housing that they can own home, that can afford their own home, that they get an apprenticeship, they can get an apprenticeship, that a decent that they can have a decent quality of life . i've campaigned quality of life. i've campaigned on left for, uh, i say i've on the left for, uh, i say i've campaigned, i've argued for a family wage . where a family, you family wage. where a family, you know, something where a family can on the wages of one can survive on the wages of one earner than both parents earner rather than both parents being forced to go out through

reason of financial imperative . reason of financial imperative. to work. um, i mean, the, the buckets of abuse i got from my own people on the left for arguing. i mean, when you think about it, it's insane that someone on the left can say, actually , we need to increase actually, we need to increase wages and rebalance our economy to a point where families can again survive on the wages of one earner and actually mainly the left, including people within the trade union movement. in my case, attack you because . in my case, attack you because. you know, you want to tie women to the kitchen sink and all of that sort of nonsense. so you know, we have to start having these, uh, these debates. but i absolutely strong absolutely agree. strong families important in families, hugely important in terms in terms of, you know, creating a more civilised, better functioning society , uh, better functioning society, uh, you know, less crime and problems within society. but combine it with the strong society where we give people decent opportunities in terms of jobs and housing and so on. we don't do the second. >> it's not wrong. surely is it, to out that some parents to point out that some parents are mean, we have

are rubbish? i mean, we have kids starting school, still wearing nappies, and to wearing nappies, and i able to feed themselves and poverty is blamed. it's not my responsibility, it's the government's fault my government's fault that my kid is going school wearing is going to school wearing a ”appy is going to school wearing a nappy and not being able to feed itself, not being able to dress itself, not being able to dress itself if you want. what's wrong with responsibility? with personal responsibility? if you responsibility you want personal responsibility to heart of a society to be at the heart of a society party, then you have to embed it in every level of that society. >> teach children at >> we don't teach children at secondary school how to do things run a budget in things like run a budget in a family, how to be a mother, how to be a father, how to look after children. if you go and do the nct course course for new parents, it's overwhelmingly geared towards the mothers. the fathers are basically absent in the room and if you're not part of the middle class, typically you can't afford to pay the £300. you can't join a whatsapp group and everything else. so yeah, we can we can talk endlessly about personal responsibility. but but if we don't actually embed it every level of our society into the education system, into the

institutions. so it becomes part of our culture, then we can't sit around and complain about why parents are not taking personal responsibility. and the other thing i say here is other thing i would say here is look at what's happened to people pointed to this people who have pointed to this issue. take tony sewell as an example. a big government example. he did a big government report a few years ago on on disparities different disparities among different groups. said , well, you groups. and he said, well, you know, dominant narrative know, the dominant narrative is the groups are the reason different groups are doing than others is doing worse than others is because of racism and discrimination. right. and he said, you look at said, actually, if you look at the family breakdown in the rates of family breakdown in some communities, some minority communities, they're you they're through the roof. you know, 60, 70. and why know, it's 50, 60, 70. and why can't we talk about that? so there are these taboos within our debate that we're also not allowed talk about yet at the allowed to talk about yet at the same time, we're asked to by these misleading narratives these very misleading narratives that reason certain that the reason when certain groups lagging behind others groups are lagging behind others is simply because we are an institution, racist society. it's immature national it's a very immature national conversation that we have . conversation that we have. >> and the biggest myth is that family is wing issue, a family is a right wing issue, a right wing institution, a right wing topic , actually, when you wing topic, actually, when you look know , the whole

look at, you know, the whole setup of family, it's the single. and for many people, the main unit of solidarity and of unity and of loyalty and of duty, all of the things that you would think the left ought to and once upon a time did believe in, you know, that that sense of solidarity and unity, and you know, it's where people learn rules . it's where they rules. it's where they understand compassion . it's understand compassion. it's where they understand obligation and all of that kind of thing. and i've never understood why it is people on on my side of politics are so reluctant to discuss. if we are, if we are about trying to improve the lot of the most disadvantaged people in society, particularly kids . in society, particularly kids. and we're about equality of opportunity and giving people the chance of having decent outcomes, then why on earth are we reluctant about saying, well, one of the ways to do that is to make sure we create a culture where there are stable families with two parents, where kids can have a safe, secure upbringing. because do you know what every study shows that if we're able

to give that to them, their life opportunities will be better because if we don't want to talk about that on the left, and that's excusable. >> paul say >> exactly. paul if you say that, get the sort that, though, you get the sort of stick that james daley is getting now for saying that very same thing, what is wrong? >> tend to agree with >> i mean, i tend to agree with matt that the language was probably intemperate, and i think phrased it think he could have phrased it better. but but, you know, people i have to people run away. and i have to say, by the way, i talk about the left, but it isn't just the left who run away from this topic, actually, you know, you see conservative, see people on the conservative, bizarrely, on bizarrely, you see people on the conservative politics conservative side of politics whenever there's national whenever there's a national debate the family who are debate around the family who are very and very very twitchy about it and very uneasy mean, matt uneasy about it. i mean, matt hancock gave an interview a couple of months ago, where couple of months ago, um, where he a question about he was asked a question about the , you know, the importance of, you know, having two parents in a family. >> this be the matt hancock that left his wife. >> this be the matt hancock that leftyeah.'ife. >> this be the matt hancock that leftyeah. well. well, yeah. and >> yeah. well. well, yeah. and you think that would be you would think that would be something normal something that any normal conservative would, would embrace, his embrace, regardless of his own personal but he personal circumstances. but he reacted the very question reacted to the very question with such horror, fact that with such horror, the fact that

somebody even suggest in somebody could even suggest in a question that , you know, having question that, you know, having two parents probably the two parents was probably the best children, he best thing for children, he actually called it offensive. i mean, probably on youtube offensive. called offensive. he called it offensive. he called it offensive. we're offensive. this is where we're at, people even on the at, where people even on the conservative side of politics, are shying away from the debate and actually taking offence at the debate, you know, which is ridiculous. position >> want to bring one more >> i just want to bring one more thing this and that's thing into this and that's something that the princess of wales attention wales is turning her attention to moment. it's important to at the moment. it's important to at the moment. it's important to fathers in children's early years. 90% of single years. now, 90% of single parents in this country are women. them are. this is women. many of them are. this is not shaming, by the way not mum shaming, by the way ladies, of ladies, this could be many of you working incredibly hard. you are working incredibly hard. you're own. you're you're on your own. you're trying to do best for your trying to do your best for your kids. is not mum shaming. kids. this is not mum shaming. nearly children in nearly 4 million children in this fatherless. now nearly 4 million children in th the fatherless. now nearly 4 million children in ththe princess fatherless. now nearly 4 million children in th the princess of atherless. now nearly 4 million children in th the princess of walesss. now nearly 4 million children in th the princess of wales right>w is the princess of wales right to concentrate role of to concentrate on the role of fathers child's upbringing? fathers in a child's upbringing? yeah i think this is a this is a no brainer. >> i think, you know, father, lust is a terme. covers a lot. yeah i mean there are there are children that that that never see their father and then there

are children who see their are children who will see their father times a week. so father 2 or 3 times a week. so we need to be, i think, careful with, with how we use that language. i mean, i let me language. and i mean, i let me just reflect a bit on my personal experience. i mean, i think should be think it's i think we should be very about seeming to very careful about seeming to blame for the outcomes. blame parents for the outcomes. well this the point i'm well this is what the point i'm making about the mums. often there lots personal there are lots of personal things, things that happen, and two in love and two people fall in love and sometimes, you know, it just doesn't circumstances doesn't work out. circumstances and i don't want to run and we can i don't want to run into being preachy about family. um, family types and formations. what i do think, where i do think we need to get to as a society though, is as paul says, we've got to take on this taboo. ispoke we've got to take on this taboo. i spoke at the national conservatism conference earlier this year where we had 3 or 4 speakers give really interesting speeches about effect that speeches about the effect that family instability has on societies and if you look at the write up the day after in, you know, the mainstream newspapers on and the right, it on the left and the right, it was you know, the sort of was as if, you know, the sort of we were back in the 1930s and people could people could

people how could people could talk about the family and wow , talk about the family and wow, these people are crazy. they must super religious. must be super religious. and it struck that is one of struck me that this is one of the in our debate where, the areas in our debate where, on one hand, we've got 50 on the one hand, we've got 50 years of research saying , this years of research saying, this really matters. if you want a return investment the return on investment from the state, to save the state, if you want to save the taxpayer money, then have taxpayer money, then just have strong families. i it's strong families. i mean, it's one biggest returns one of the biggest returns on investment, same investment, but at the same time, our commentariat , the time, our commentariat, the people shape the national people who shape the national conversation , were completely conversation, were completely incapable talking about this. incapable of talking about this. it was know , we were it was if you know, we were asking to sort reflect asking them to sort of reflect on, you know, loch on, you know, you know, loch ness and say something, ness monster and say something, you know, cogent and coherent. it it just it's it was bizarre. and it just it's a real shame because it shows how far behind we are compared to countries the to other countries around the world taking this seriously. >> i'm sorry. i think the world's gone i mean, if you world's gone mad. i mean, if you are there on your own, are a mum out there on your own, you're struggling to do your best your kids. good best to raise your kids. good luck. you're doing amazing luck. you're doing an amazing job. know, there are job. but you know, there are parents let's say, parents out there who let's say, don't responsibility. they don't take responsibility. they should right. we have to move should do right. we have to move on, it's on, though. uh, coming up, it's the last dewbs& co of the year.

i can't believe where's the year gone. um, so we'll chatting gone. um, so we'll be chatting about year's resolutions. about new year's resolutions. have yours yet? are have you made yours yet? are they that and they a good idea? all that and lots still to come. don't lots more still to come. don't go far.

welcome back. this is dewbs & co welcome back. this is dewbs& co with me. dawn neesom, um, keeping me company until 7:00. politics. professor and pollster matt goodwin and trade unionist and broadcast paul emery, both of whom are drinking already. i can't believe it. where do i get these two from now? it is the last dewbs& co show of the year. boo! last dewbs& co show of the year. booiand last dewbs& co show of the year. boo! and as we look ahead to a slow down boys, as we mind us crack on. yeah, okay. yeah, i'll just give the word. and as and as we look ahead to 2024, it's time to start thinking about our new year's resolutions. but it's setting a goal like this, a healthy tradition, or can you just put too much pressure on

yourself? um, obviously dry january doesn't look like it's happening any time soon. here. um, we're still in december. >> we're still in december. >> we're still in december. >> yeah. okay. all right. you're sort of like getting it all in beforehand. and this is the point, isn't it? you're getting it all in beforehand. so, paul, any you believe any resolutions? do you believe in them? >> think i think they're >> um, i think i think they're pretty harmless resolutions, but in my experience, science. and perhaps it perhaps i'm looking at it through own not through my own lens. not terribly effective. i think most people . well, how did you fail people. well, how did you fail miserably at them? it's certainly nothing to do with. i've had a dry january in i've never had a dry january in my not that i'm a big my life. not that i'm a big dnnken my life. not that i'm a big drinker, but i never have a dry january not a dry january or probably not a dry week for a few years week actually for a few years i wouldn't imagine. um, but dry days going i stress again, i'm not a big drinker, but um, no. i have made resolutions in the past like most people have, but they kind of fizzle out they tend to kind of fizzle out after few weeks. i'm after after a few weeks. i'm determined this year to do more cooking . uh, i'm ashamed to say cooking. uh, i'm ashamed to say that my wife, who's a great cook, does most of the cooking

in our house, and i probably need to put my shoulder to the wheel a little bit more. so that's resolution. but when i that's my resolution. but when i come show and come back to the show and i would guess mid january, i'm going to we'll admit that i've failed again. we'll make a point of asking wouldn't be alone though. >> 88% of us who set new year's resolutions fail miserably. so how matt? any how about you, matt? any resolutions how about you, matt? any resolthinki how about you, matt? any resolthink resolutions are >> i think resolutions are really i think when really important. i think when we we achieve we set goals and we achieve them, i think it just us them, i think it just gives us a sense of empowerment. that's what tell my students anyway. what i tell my students anyway. so resolution, so my new year's resolution, i'll tell you what it is. so for the political anoraks, watching 2024 going to be enormous. 2024 is going to be enormous. we've election, uk we've got us election, uk election, european parliament elections, elections in india are so called election in russia. so my resolution because i'm obsessed with politics is to have a make sure i plan a few breaks between those elections and have a bit more relax and, and, uh, recovery time. uh, between analysing all of those elections, have you made your predictions on any of those elections yet? >> because i know you go big on predictions, don't you, labour

government. yeah. america >> trump too. >> president trump too. >> president trump too. >> oh, big, big right wing shift in europe. >> those are my three predictions. >> wow . i predictions. >> wow. i think you could be right. >> yeah, absolutely. but i mean, if we do resolutions in small baby steps and doesn't sound like yours is going to be very successful, then it's okay. but people put this huge pressure on themselves. it's not just i'm going to jog around the block, it's i'm going to run a marathon by the end of january. that's true. >> yeah. i mean, you have to you know, i think any expert would say you have to you have to make it achievable. you know, achievable in instalments if necessary. and it's necessary. see, um, and it's like isn't it? you like dieting, isn't it? if you decide want lose weight decide you want to lose weight but go on a crash diet and but you go on a crash diet and you deny yourself all privileges and all luxuries, and think and all luxuries, and i think the probably shows that the evidence probably shows that you're than you're more likely to fail than somebody know , somebody who says, you know, i'll myself, you know, the i'll allow myself, you know, the occasional whatever, occasional luxury and whatever, but i'll do this gradually and more likely, therefore, to be successful , i think i more likely, therefore, to be successful, i think i think more likely, therefore, to be successful , i think i think the successful, i think i think the worst thing is when your other

half makes a resolution and it's like, you know, if you're if you're, you're living with someone who dry january someone who goes on dry january and think, oh, no , i'm not and you think, oh, no, i'm not having a glass of wine, that's grounds for divorce, surely, right? >> yeah, yeah . >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> come back in january and tell me how the cooking's gone, won't you? because you know. and the lovely mrs. mbappe and how well she's doing. um, so i think that's pretty much it for the yean that's pretty much it for the year, it? us, think year, isn't it? for us, i think big year year. big year next year. >> an eventful year >> it's been an eventful year for everybody. >> it's been and it's been a tough year for a lot of people. it has. um, i won't go it really has. um, i won't go too what's coming up too much into what's coming up at patrick, but i can at 9:00 with patrick, but i can tell on the polling side, tell you on the polling side, there is one issue when you ask people what do you really want the government prioritise the government to prioritise next one next year? there's one issue that out above all that stands out above all others, you'll to tune others, and you'll have to tune to in patrick figure but to in patrick to figure out, but it's to do with how difficult 23 ihave it's to do with how difficult 23 i have to say. >> i have to say goodbye now. matt and paul, you've been brilliant. you very much. brilliant. thank you very much. i'm with more i'm back on monday with more jobs, have jobs, but in the meantime, have a up next is a lovely weekend. up next is leander, for us, from all of

leander, and for us, from all of us all of you, have a very us to all of you, have a very happy new year and i'll see you on monday. the other side, on monday. on the other side, not much of this, honestly. not too much of this, honestly. cheers, everybody. thank you. cheers. brighter cheers, everybody. thank you. cheers. with brighter cheers, everybody. thank you. cheers. with bisolarr cheers, everybody. thank you. cheers. with bisolar sponsors outlook with boxt solar sponsors of on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> good evening. i'm alex burkill. here's your latest gb news weather forecast. there will be some frost around tonight before wet and windy weather arrives in time for the weekend. that's in association with a deep area of low pressure currently out in the atlantic. this will sweep its way in across the uk as we go through the next 24 hours or so. ahead of that, some quieter weather for a time, as many of the daytime showers ease and clear away, leaving some clear skies for many. but a very wet and windy picture towards the far northeast of scotland tonight, under the clear skies, particularly towards eastern parts, likely to turn quite chilly, touch of frost in the chilly, a touch of frost in the south, a widespread harsh frost across scotland so a across parts of scotland so a bit a frosty start. first bit of a frosty start. first thing saturday morning. but thing on saturday morning. but

then increasingly wet then turning increasingly wet and windy this system makes and windy as this system makes its way in. pushing northeastwards as we go through the day. as that rain hits the cold over scotland, we are cold air over scotland, we are likely to see some significant snow could see more than ten centimetres in some places over the ground could cause the higher ground could cause some travel disruption here. elsewhere, unsettled picture elsewhere, an unsettled picture but towards the but quite mild towards the south. highs of around 12 celsius. looking ahead towards new year's eve and for many it is going to be a blustery day. strongest winds towards the south. gales here. quite strongest winds towards the s(few. gales here. quite strongest winds towards the s(few showers gales here. quite strongest winds towards the s(few showers around ere. quite strongest winds towards the s(few showers around but quite a few showers around but a calmer picture across scotland . calmer picture across scotland. some dry weather here and mostly light winds though again towards the north—east. it is the far north—east. it is looking and windy as we go looking wet and windy as we go into the beginning of the new yeah into the beginning of the new year. looks like it year. actually looks like it will largely dry, but will be largely dry, but that may last long. by by may not last that long. by by looks like things are heating up boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on gb news .

>> way i >> -- >> so welcome to another brilliant show. we're back here at the golden diamond club in nashville. the award winning golden diamond. and we've got a very guest tonight very special guest on tonight that's former cabinet minister edwina lefts at edwina currie. also our lefts at the bar of matthew laza. he's up in ashfield again. we've got lisa and trade unionist lisa mckenzie and trade unionist andy and emily barley andy mcdonald and emily barley will tell her heartbreaking story about the loss of her child barnsley hospital. but child at barnsley hospital. but first, go to the . news. first, let's go to the. news. good evening . good evening. >> i'm sophia wenzler in the gb

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