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you here, you silly man. it's lovely to be had here, if i may. i want to know about that, cricket, because you've just become president of the mcc , and become president of the mcc, and he has just shown me this tie. show. the tie? yes and he claims it's an mcc tie. zoom in to that little symbol there. it's the device that says mcc. marylebone cricket club or 1200in roman numerals. yes i mean, you have to be a member to get that. yes. you buy it from the members shop at lord's. so tell me about cricket because it's all changing and it's a beautiful, beautiful game . it's the only beautiful game. it's the only still the only game that is very like the one i used to watch in weston super mare and clarence park in 1948. well, that's because we are guardians of the law. the laws of cricket, the mcc , other games have rules. mcc, other games have rules. cricket has laws. but each tournament will have its

regulations . like where the regulations. like where the fielders can be, how far from the bat and so on. but there are laws of cricket which are the same in on a beach in west indies or in a slum in mumbai with stickball, or in a village in england, weston super in england, or in weston super mare. those are the laws of cricket. i mean, yes , it is the cricket. i mean, yes, it is the same game, but it's s it's like a lot of british institutions . a lot of british institutions. it's it sent its footprint abroad. footprint abroad . yes. abroad. footprint abroad. yes. and has been reinterpreted and often improved upon, or at least enhanced in different ways. very proud. the other day when afghanistan beat sri lanka , i afghanistan beat sri lanka, i thought it was an incredible the reach that this . and it's reach that this. and it's getting wider and wider. yeah it's the second most popular sport in the world by quite a long way. obviously one is football is the first. yeah um, and a lot of that is to do with the fact that it's so. well, it's the third religion in india . yeah. they call it the third religion. yeah absolutely crazy about it . and obviously india is about it. and obviously india is about it. and obviously india is

about to overtake china as the country with the largest population in the world. so that kind of skews the statistics. a bit. but it's the most popular sport in nepal. um, and i'm a patron of the mcc foundation and our aim is to spread cricket around the world as much as possible. are you going to get into south america ? yes. that is into south america? yes. that is yeah. that's our next thing. it's not really there . i mean, it's not really there. i mean, there's a bit in guyana, of course, we have. oh yes. mark ramprakash and others and who have , you know, of, uh , have, you know, sort of, uh, ancestors from there and guyana provides the west indies with cricketers because it's caribbean. true but yeah, we want to if you can find a flat bit, um, and uh, but it's um. yeah. rwanda, kenya . um, yeah. rwanda, kenya. um, recently the foundation went to the lebanon and, uh, taught syrian refugees who were penned up in camps with nothing to do at all, but turned to kind of crime and misery and, um , set crime and misery and, um, set and to teach the girls and boys

in particular. it's fantastic because as a lot of these countries are countries in which girls have low expectations of their lives, um , as far as their lives, um, as far as education, property rights and so on are concerned. and if you can get girls and boys playing cricket together, it's absolutely wonderful . there absolutely wonderful. there comes an age when they'll separate out into a girls boy and a boys team. but when they're young , it helps the boys they're young, it helps the boys respect and like the girls spreading into the middle east. yes it is, and i suppose we can also talk of terrorism in also talk of the terrorism in the east. we're speaking the middle east. we're speaking on uh, who knows what's on a day, uh, who knows what's going to happen when this actually we're actually is broadcast. but we're speaking on a day when they announced this me. diabolical announced this to me. diabolical news about golf, which is a game i love as well. and the saudi arabian influence in it. um it's all money. yeah so because this is a free speech haven, i can talk about the facts behind this with because there's it's the only the strongest words will do sometimes the hypocrisy i know

worse one but i will tell you i, i'd love to hear it. no um, i'll write it up. i've got it out of my system now. that's the main thing. but no, it does upset me. you know? and, um, the, uh, the history of what saudi arabia has donein history of what saudi arabia has done in the last 5 or 6 years. and now to be i know it's a cliche word, but sportswashing is essentially it. yeah and the chances are, by the time you're watching this, that it lionel messi will be playing for saudi arabia as well as cristiano ronaldo and others. um, it's amazing what money will do. is it? i mean, when you think that london was the number one centre for the laundering of russian dirty money, i mean, i didn't make me feel proud. no they called it boris. stan at the time, i didn't know. yeah we're none of us entirely wide eyed and naive about the world. we know that the world. and it has always been the case that money talks and at every body has a

price to sum extent. do you know what napoleon said? no. go on. he said the surprising thing is not that every man has his price. i know it is. yes, yes, i would have said the same how low it is. i think that's hilarious. i've always thought the greatest power of a human being can have in negotiations, whether it's as an actor, like in a film as minor as that , or in a huge minor as that, or in a huge boardroom way, the greatest power you can have is the power to walk away. yeah. just to be able to say, oh, no, that's for not me, and go. but i know some people in business who will say that the first thing you sense when you sit around a table, say about the sale of a company or the, you know, the going public or, you know, the share offering is you instantly know the greedy ones and they're the ones you want to have nothing to do with, who are in it to make money and it you know, i am in that sense, very naive in the, in the early, uh, early 90s, late 80s, when i was aware that the internet was

going to happen, and i became very excited by it. and through the 90s, i became very excited by it. and we'd have lots of meetings with people who had ideas and the really good ones wanted to make something extraordinary , you know, like an extraordinary, you know, like an artist or a craftsman, like someone who just wanted to make a better pair of shoes or something, make a better table . something, make a better table. just the pleasure, the fun, the fulfilment of it. and then you started to notice, because the internet caught fire, that people were in it to make money, that the first thing they wanted to do was to build a service or a piece of software so that they could immediately sell to, you know, bill gates or to somebody else . and then it got worse as else. and then it got worse as it got, it got so worse. yeah. there's a word. and this is in a sense what saudi arabia is doing with sport is the darkest word of our era , i think is the word of our era, i think is the word destroy option. it's um, it

sounds simple. it's just the latin for break, break, break down, break up, break into pieces to disrupt. like you interrupt , you pieces to disrupt. like you interrupt, you break into someone's conversation . yeah. someone's conversation. yeah. and you know, you get a rupture , and you know, you get a rupture, it's a break and so on. so so in two thousand and seven, when , two thousand and seven, when, when facebook was beginning to take off, mark zuckerberg famously said that the motto of facebook is move fast and break things. and this was considered a heroic new stance. these young people were coming in, they were breaking up the way the world was , and they were making huge was, and they were making huge sums of money out of it. they were inventing new ideas, and they were sweeping away everything from the past . and so everything from the past. and so you disrupt the bread and breakfast space. yeah. with airbnb, you disrupt the car, hire and taxi services . yeah. hire and taxi services. yeah. with uber, you disrupt , you

with uber, you disrupt, you disrupt, you disrupt. and we're now living in a broken world because things have been disrupted and they've not been replaced with anything like that. and they've been disrupted by people who just want to be very, very rich. yes and not to do one thing superbly well. and the betrayal to me , the the betrayal to me, the betrayal, the hypocrisy , betrayal, the hypocrisy, whatever your word is that somehow we believed in the 90s and early 2000 that these guys in jeans and t shirts were just kind of , you know, gentle , sweet kind of, you know, gentle, sweet people who wanted the world to be better. yeah. and we now know that in orwell's magnificent image, the pigs are now wearing trousers. you know , you know, trousers. you know, you know, the end of animal farm. they look through and they see the pig- look through and they see the pig. yes. and it's all come round and you realise these are worse in terms of their fierce , worse in terms of their fierce, uh, greedy . um, but can you have

uh, greedy. um, but can you have you ever understood why people want to be so rich? we all want to be able to have a better bottle of wine , or we all want bottle of wine, or we all want to have a nice car, or maybe a slightly bigger house, but i think the point of being very rich is to be able to tell people that you are very rich. essentially, i think it is a display. it's very fashionable these days to look into genetics and ancestry and to picture our ancestors as in a cave or in a field or, you know, hunting and gathering . and we know that gathering. and we know that some, some part of being human is acquisition is territorial acquisition. and whether it's land building a castle like this as a display, as well as a defence and money is a defence as well as display. it defence and money is a defence as well as display . it protects as well as display. it protects you from everything in the world as a castle . why such huge sums

as a castle. why such huge sums of it? i don't know, i suppose when you get a huge sum competitive with each other, that's the point. i was going to say. you join a sort of club in which, uh, you know, people in the suburbs might say they've got a better lawnmower than i have. i'm going to have to upgrade my lawnmower. i'm going to have to upgrade my strimmer and all the sort of suburbia things keeping up with the joneses, as we call it. it's a very we've talked about that all our lives. we know it as a phenomenon, but you scale it up, you simply scale it up. and we know is true. i mean, i can know this is true. i mean, i can still picture the moment when i was nine and i found an old mackinaw , an old raincoat. mackinaw, an old raincoat. people used to wear them. yeah. and it had a ten shilling note in it. and the joy , the absolute in it. and the joy, the absolute joy - in it. and the joy, the absolute joy . yeah. now, what you can't joy. yeah. now, what you can't do is scale that joy up. if i then found £100,000 in a coat, i would be astonished . yeah, i would be astonished. yeah, i would be astonished. yeah, i would go, wow, but i wouldn't be. um, well, ten shillings is,

you know, half a pound, so i wouldn't be 200,000 times happier than when i found that £10 note. but people think it's more is better. they do absolutely . alcoholics think absolutely. alcoholics think more is better. yeah, yeah , but more is better. yeah, yeah, but there are many aspects of humanity where we are bound if we're honest, to inspect ourselves, to say , i get that. i ourselves, to say, i get that. i feel like that. yeah but also i don't feel like that. i've always been very lucky with alcohol. for example, i do like alcohol. for example, i do like a drink. i like wine , but i know a drink. i like wine, but i know i could never be an alcoholic. i just don't like it enough. i don't like feeling sick. i don't like cope the like having to cope with the responsibility of apologising the day. responsibility of apologising the day . if i've been the next day. if i've been drunk, i don't like the fact that i might get a bit argumentative. and so just, argumentative. and so i just, you know, never be an you know, could never be an alcoholic, but i could be lots of other that i do of other things that i do recognise as faults in. and similarly with mean, similarly with money. i mean, i like having enough money. i'll be honest, to turn left on an aeroplane. i think it's the most

i still get excited by it . i i still get excited by it. i still think, oh my goodness, i'm going first class and i love it. i mean, i just love it and it's a disgrace and i know i shouldn't and i try and do this awful word carbon offsetting and all of a key word. enough, enough. all of a key word. enough, enough . exactly. a sense of enough. exactly. a sense of enough. exactly. a sense of enough. exactly. a sense of enough . so these very rich enough. so these very rich people have no sense of enough life. yeah, yeah . can you do you life. yeah, yeah. can you do you understand it? i mean, it's an illness, isn't it? it is an illness. and i wrote a sort of autobiography about myself which tried to address my propensity to overdo things myself, but not not in money terms. but i notice that from the i was the same . i that from the i was the same. i was what we, you know , this was what we, you know, this awful generation wars. you know, you say baby boomer and millennial. i just want to throw up when i hear all this . i'm up when i hear all this. i'm sort of white imperialist. up when i hear all this. i'm sort of white imperialist . what sort of white imperialist. what exactly? i mean, it just seems so weird. but anyway , i am so weird. but anyway, i am a baby boomer and the technical

sense and so i was born in the same year as sugar puffs. the cereal . same year as sugar puffs. the cereal. right. so i should same year as sugar puffs. the cereal . right. so i should never cereal. right. so i should never forget that i was of a generation for whom television advertising was first directed towards me when i was young to eat sugar puffs and ricicles and frosties and sugar free things and i went to a school which had and i went to a school which had a tuck shop, you know, a boarding school and, and there were things like sherbet fountains with sherbet in it , fountains with sherbet in it, white powder that you, you , you, white powder that you, you, you, you sucked in through a liquorice straw and, um , and liquorice straw and, um, and they even extra ordinarily had spanish galleons rolling tobacco, which was coconut shreds. but it was done exactly like a rolling tobacco packet that you would see. you'd see grown ups using, and you would have a pipe made of liquorice , have a pipe made of liquorice, and you would have cigarettes with red tips on the end, which were candy, cigarettes . do you were candy, cigarettes. do you remember all these sweets? well, you're generation you're probably a generation older. have quite. older. you didn't have quite. no, a but they were.

no, there was a but they were. so prepared for so you were being prepared for cocaine . cocaine and tobacco. essentially. you were given white powder and tobacco. and i never could eat enough of that. and i would break out of school bounds, go to the village shop and buy all the fruit salads and black jacks and foam shrimps and little rice paper flying saucers . and i stuffed myself. i couldn't eat them and i got teeth missing here because of it. and then when i was a teenager, there was still. so i, i had this empty hole in me , i had this empty hole in me, this vast, empty hole that said , this vast, empty hole that said, feed me. i need this sugar. i needit. feed me. i need this sugar. i need it . and then when it wasn't need it. and then when it wasn't sugan need it. and then when it wasn't sugar, it became tobacco and i smoked. and then in my 20s, it became cocaine. it became that i just. and i couldn't sit still without going, ah, you know, and it's that addictive impulse that many people, many people watching will know what i mean. and many people won't, because this is the important thing to remember. as i say, not everybody this. it's everybody has this. and it's a kind of addictive gene. and i

guess the money people have it for money. there's this hole in them they have acquire and them they have to acquire and they own, and they don't they have to own, and they don't know to fill it. no no. they know how to fill it. no no. they think if i had another 500 million, then i would be happier. yes >> well, this is it. >> well, this is it. >> one of the things you know a lot about, you know, psychotherapy and things like that. and one of the things always madden me about self—help books and books on debt is, is the ones that start off with go goal orientation and set yourself goals . and i think it's yourself goals. and i think it's the most dangerous and despicable, inimical thing imaginable because i don't know a human being who, when they reaches a goal they've set themselves, isn't dissatisfied. absolutely. always an anti—climax. and you have to, you know, uh, many you know, it's, uh, so many of the nobel winners get very the nobel prize winners get very depressed when they win the nobel prize. i couldn't imagine himself because. >> because what do they do next? yeah. the great yeah. and apparently the great chess players always get very depressed after energy .

depressed after huge energy. yeah. and so these guys here, i can see there they are. >> they're getting to the end of their game though i can see. yes. >> one of them's got two queens. yeah .

>> john cleese on . gb news is >> john cleese on. gb news is there any way we could say, um, you've got enough now ? you've got enough now? >> well, it's going to be very interesting because, um , we're interesting because, um, we're for the past few hundred years, all of us have used to the idea that we fulfil ourselves by, by, by work , if we're lucky. it's by work, if we're lucky. it's good work that does fulfil this. but that's not going to be true for very long. and it isn't something that was true in the past. the work was not a normal thing to do . thing to do. >> if you said to an 18th century aristocrat , well, an century aristocrat, well, an aristocrat certainly that's true. but you know what i mean. they would have thought you were

mad. >> yeah. and i suppose one has to. i'm talking about before the agricultural revolution, which is not very long ago in terms of the length existence as the length of our existence as a species , as a viable species, we species, as a viable species, we could back in time before the could go back in time before the agricultural revolution and shag someone from that era. and we would have babies. you know, we are the same species. yeah. and then we didn't work. are the same species. yeah. and then we didn't work . this idea then we didn't work. this idea of work , the agricultural thing of work, the agricultural thing meant we had to stay in one place, and suddenly peasants became, you know, subject to the people on horseback and, and, and class and hierarchy was established. but, but it's coming again because of artificial intelligence. there will be much less need to work. and there's always this problem. i've been i've been thinking about artificial intelligence since the 80s, because i used to get very excited by this man , get very excited by this man, marvin minsky, who was the often called the father of ai. and i used to read his essays and books and things and, um, his

forecasts haven't proved very no , “0, forecasts haven't proved very no , no, they haven't, but but his analysis of what intelligence is and what it might be, i think was interesting . and one of my was interesting. and one of my heroes, richard feynman, who i'm sure you know, the great physicist and, um, uh, he made a terribly good point about when someone asked him whether artificial intelligence would come and whether machines would think like us, and he said, no , think like us, and he said, no, they won't think us. they they won't think like us. they will like when they won't think like us. they wil make like when they won't think like us. they wil make machinesa when they won't think like us. they wil make machines , when they won't think like us. they wil make machines , we when they won't think like us. they wil make machines , we make them we make machines, we make them to do things we don't do , not to do things we don't do, not things already do . so, for things we already do. so, for example, we can run. but when we make a bicycle, we make something that is totally different, that goes a bit faster. actually but it can't. i mean , a perfect example is mean, a perfect example is a cheetah that's the fastest land animal. it goes around 70 miles animal. it goes around 70 miles an hour or something. isn't it? um, we can't begin and we um, well, we can't begin and we wouldn't even think of trying to imitate, make a machine like a cheetah. it would be ridiculous . cheetah. it would be ridiculous. so instead, we invent a wheel, and eventually an engine and then eventually an engine that the wheels . and that can push the wheels. and it's nothing a cheetah, but

it's nothing like a cheetah, but it's nothing like a cheetah, but it can go faster a cheetah. it can go faster than a cheetah. so our version. so it's our version. and similarly with intelligence, we won't try and imitate human intelligence. we will find, as we are beginning to do, we will find ways of assembling and sorting data , which isn't really sorting data, which isn't really intelligence, but it produce results that are way beyond us. just as a car produces results way beyond a cheetah, but it's in a different sort of achievement . but it will. achievement. but it will. i mean, i think governments are beginning to get wise to this. um uh, the ubi , the, the, the um uh, the ubi, the, the, the universal basic income is, is the thing that, uh, we're trying out in this country now in two regions in finland, they've tried it out in the whole country, essentially the money that artificial sales leaves in terms of labour costs, white collar labour costs as much as blue. um, that, that money goes into giving everybody an income.

yeah so they don't have to work and then how did it work in finland? >> i think it worked. >> i think it worked. >> well. finland is still the happiest country on earth. yeah. so it can't have done too much harm. um, i mean, it's, it harm. yeah um, i mean, it's, it will like anything. it will change and develop and, um, but you know, the cynics say i did a lecture on, uh, ai about seven years ago at hay on wye and, and i talked about the possible of a universal basic income and things like that. and a lot of people asked the question, so are saying that we've all are you saying that we've all got to become poets and potters and painters and artists and i said, well, no. although that would be quite pleasing. it obviously isn't particularly viable. who's going to buy the wretched stuff that we make? but we do have to think about what people will do . we have this people will do. we have this sense that there is idleness and that idleness is a terrible thing, but actually , if you read thing, but actually, if you read bertrand russell's famous essay on idleness, which i'm sure you

know, maybe, maybe it's a very, a very wonderful thing and we'll yield enormous fruit . yield enormous fruit. >> wonderfully, wonderfully liberating for everyone. yes once they get used to the fact that they have to find out what they're interested in. yeah. when i first went to america , i when i first went to america, i was fascinated by how important work was , and i came back after work was, and i came back after about a year and a half, and i remember getting on a tube with the evening standard, and there was a piece in it by a.j. ayer. yeah. one of the great philosophers. >> yes. logical positivists . >> yes. the logical positivists. >> yes. the logical positivists. >> remember that he was >> remember that what he was saying was that the first people who went off to america, new england, were the puritans . and england, were the puritans. and when sort of sat down and when they sort of sat down and said, well, what could we do? he said, well, what could we do? he said, well, what could we do? he said, well, shall we have a dance? no, we can't do that. no theatre . and what else could we theatre. and what else could we do? we played cards . no, that's do? we played cards. no, that's not allowed. so in the end, the only thing they could really do was work. and i still see a very strong puritan streak in

america. hugely between good and bad . i mean, i don't like bad. i mean, i don't like smoking and i'd rather it didn't, but the savagery with which the non—smoker will persecute the smokers is just so stupid. yeah. so what? is there anything there in that ? what anything there in that? what were we talking about with work ? were we talking about with work? i mean, in fact, can't we just play i mean, in fact, can't we just play cricket or read books ? and play cricket or read books? and it would be wonderful . it would be wonderful. >> the trouble is, i personally have been poisoned by the work ethic in that i am addicted to it. i have above my desk, um, a quotation from noel coward , quotation from noel coward, which is work is more fun than fun . and i've been very lucky to fun. and i've been very lucky to find that. so i and if i have a day off because you're doing something that is enjoyable, it really enjoyable . really enjoyable. >> i mean, there's two, three types of work. there's work you hate and then there's work you love, and then there's work where you like bits and don't

like other bits. and so you try to do as much of the things you like and as little of the things you don't like. but it's all like but if you love your like that. but if you love your work, want to stop? >> exactly . >> exactly. >> exactly. >> if can. presumably the >> if you can. presumably the new problem is, well, what do you you count as work? you what do you count as work? >> exactly as work. >> exactly what i count as work. other wouldn't. lot other people wouldn't. a lot of people how fabulous people would say how fabulous that retire or how that i'm going to retire or how fabulous longer working. fabulous i'm no longer working. i garden, would, i'd i can garden, i would, i'd rather eat my own legs than than dig and fork and be a monty don. but he obviously enjoys it, and lots of people do. and they wouldn't like doing the things i do. you know, writing and things as you know, writing is agony. i mean, absolute agony. >> people, i feel sorry for are the businessmen because they really are motivated by money. now, when you give them all the money that they could have earned if they'd worked hard , earned if they'd worked hard, they're in they're going to be in a terrible position. >> talk about agi is very >> you talk about agi is very interesting because in philosophy he he and his fellow vienna school, you know, the

scientist, um, time shapps basically felt that ethics works as a branch of philosophy had died. it was no longer particularly interesting. it was you'd teach it in universities. you know, and things, you know, but then technology, bio biotechnology, as well as , um, biotechnology, as well as, um, the internet and other things have meant now that people can leave university with a master's or a doctorate in ethics , and or a doctorate in ethics, and they'll get a six figure opening salary at big corporations, because because ethics is at the heart of the problems that we're talking about . how do heart of the problems that we're talking about. how do you heart of the problems that we're talking about . how do you decide talking about. how do you decide what is an ethical artificial intelligence? how do you decide what is an ethical way to lay people off work and to keep them happy? >> corporations are studying this really seriously. >> they're trying to i mean, there has been a wave of firing in silicon valley lately , and in silicon valley lately, and some ethicists have gone . but i some ethicists have gone. but i remember seeing a berkeley university. you have to say that

obviously the pronunciation . obviously the pronunciation. yes. berkeley. uh you know what a graduate is called ? a a graduate is called? a berkeley, presumably . but there berkeley, presumably. but there was a philosophical quarterly from berkeley magazine and it just said at the top philosophy no longerjust just said at the top philosophy no longer just cut just said at the top philosophy no longerjust cut a stylish route to poverty . question mark route to poverty. question mark suddenly it was becoming the hottest discipline in universities philosophy. and it is exciting because there is so much to think about, and all of us are to do that. >> are the bill gates's thinking about it? he does. he does a beautiful man, i think, isn't he? >> um , but the ones who really >> um, but the ones who really spend all this money trying to get into space on their own rockets, well, they they follow a branch of philosophy that is not very academically fashionable or or or admired, which is objectivism , which is which is objectivism, which is the philosophy of ayn rand. you know , the sort of libertarian , know, the sort of libertarian, uh, philosophy of the fountainhead and atlas shrugged ,

fountainhead and atlas shrugged, which are more popular now than in her own time. peter thiel, for example, who's a very powerful investor in all kinds of things. he's a great admirer of things. he's a great admirer of ayn rand. and there's a new philosophy called long termism , philosophy called long termism, which sounds rather admirable. we've thought bad thing we've always thought bad thing about politics is so short termism, but this is a totally different thing. this regards the future humanity the future of humanity in hundreds if not thousands of years. is the most important thing can think about. and thing we can think about. and a few, well, a few pandemics and, uh, a diseases and climate change are pinpricks in in the long history . after all, the ice long history. after all, the ice age wiped us, most of us out. but but it gave a small cadre of surviving humans the chance to become our ancestors. and they think very hard about that. and they there's, you know, there's a lot of paranoid fear that that's why, you know, musk and bezos and people are wanting to go to which is it they go to mars, which is it they know the earth is absolutely. do

ahead because , uh, the image ahead because, uh, the image i have is we are children playing on the beach. yes making sandcastles with our back to the sea and on the sea. various currents are combining. they are , for example, bioaugmentation brain machine interfacing , which brain machine interfacing, which is something elon musk is doing where you interface with a computer and a computer with you.soit computer and a computer with you. so it reads your thoughts and it with your and you can control it with your mind if you like. robotics itself , with quantum computing itself, with quantum computing and artificial intelligence of different kind kinds, um, new materials, nano nano materials and so on. all of these technologies, which are transformative on their own, not to mention genomics and gene editing , um, to mention genomics and gene editing, um, are like separate swells in the ocean that are combining to make a gigantic tsunami . and as i say, we are tsunami. and as i say, we are playing on the beach wondering about little things . you know, about little things. you know, like this particular strike or whether what names we call

ourselves, what our identities are . there are these tiny little are. there are these tiny little issues that we are obsessed with. >> what's the tsunami ? >> what's the tsunami? >> what's the tsunami? >> the tsunami is the combination, the confluence of all these technologies , all all these technologies, all changing each other. >> so you mean life will be transformed in a way we can't begin to guess at? yes or let me ask you this question. yeah, there are a lot of social media is just awful. people being unbelievably nasty to people . if unbelievably nasty to people. if you post something on social media, surely it would be very . media, surely it would be very. easy to have an identification on that post, which would tell you who'd posted it, which would shame people into posting a lot of the nastiest stuff. yes why don't they do it? >> um, well, in the case of twitter, you know, musk is a libertarian free speech absolutist. he calls himself and i think he would regard any regulation which enforced

something like that, a denial of anonymity and the right to anonymity and the right to anonymity to deny of anonymity. i agree with you . i agree with you. >> you're not forcing it on people. what you're saying is, if you want to post something, you have to tell people who you are . are. >> i think it's a mixture of, uh, genuine in sense that they want it to be a free space where people can comment without being got at, for example , because the got at, for example, because the problem is, you know, you might you might express a view. yeah. in some of the hot button issues of today, you might express a view on gender and something like that, and you will get hit upon on both sides. it doesn't matter which side. uh, but that's the problem about expressing view anyway. well, expressing a view anyway. well, it it is . um, and so it is, it is. um, and so anonymity gives a sort of confidence to some. but the confidence to some. but the confidence to some. but the confidence to terrible people , confidence to terrible people, as we know it's a disaster. and i'm of course, i put things on twitter as you do. i used to you don't anymore. no, no, i'm

afraid once mr musk got there, i just felt that i. and this is why you mustn't believe anything i say about the future. because i say about the future. because i believed when ? in two thousand i believed when? in two thousand and seven, when i joined twitter and seven, when i joined twitter and it was just starting, i believe that it would melt away boundanes believe that it would melt away boundaries and divisions and the old problems and that we would all be brothers and sisters . all be brothers and sisters. >> the problem with technology is there are always good people who use it for good reasons , and who use it for good reasons, and then there are rather bad people who will use it for bad reasons. yes and that's true of everything. that's ever been invented. >> i look at the gutenberg's first printing press, and you look at it that is capable of printing the poems of john keats or mein kampf. it doesn't know any different . you know, there's any different. you know, there's mein kampf catching every invention has a good and a bad . invention has a good and a bad. yes, it has no beginning. >> everyone's so excited about it. they only see the positive. >> that's right. the technology itself no . i think the itself has no. i think the technical tum would be no moral valency. yes. you know.

>> uh, artificial intelligence is always seemed to me the great problem in science is that if you can't measure something, you think it can't be scientific . think it can't be scientific. what science is about measuring things right? and sometimes they invent things like behaviourism , invent things like behaviourism, which is all about the business of being able. yeah right. to measure things and not about anything else. of any interest at all. right. so almost everything that goes on in here is very, very hard to measure. >> yes, it is very hard to quantify. >> and since human beings robbed of their emotions by an accident and able to cope, despite the fact that completely logical, still because they don't have emotions , that's helping them to emotions, that's helping them to make a decision how does that apply make a decision how does that apply to i don't we wouldn't if

it's going to really take over, wouldn't we have to give it an emotional range to motivate it, which we have no chance of giving it? well again, i would return to that point of feynman's that we would do something that was like an equivalent . equivalent. >> what we have now has been brilliantly described by critics as not intelligent or anything remotely like intelligence. a stochastic parrot, right, is the phrase that is used of the kind of chatgpt four and these kinds of chatgpt four and these kinds of things that have become very popular, they are essential , popular, they are essential, really probabilistic . guess at really probabilistic. guess at what the next thought should be based on its ability to access a vast corpus of data, which depends on there being such a thing as the internet that has this data electronically available. all of the speed of light except. and so it is the next step. artificial general intelligence , as it's known, intelligence, as it's known, would that require sentience , a

would that require sentience, a sense of self consciousness? would would the system be aware that it was a system ? of course, that it was a system? of course, at the moment it it parrots that it's aware. i cannot answer that question because i am just a large language model. it says when you ask it something, you know, delicate it. this is when people are worried about what's called the singularity, when it suddenly becomes aware of itself and whether this would give it and whether this would give it an actual emotion in the way that our brains have emotions or an electronic equivalent, that's to say , a sort of need of some to say, a sort of need of some kind, a need to do something or a need to, uh, um, make itself something that it isn't because in a sense, that's the human, not even an animal thing. in a sense, that's the human, not even an animal thing . i not even an animal thing. i mean, you look at these lovely animals and what one of the things we love about animals, i think, is that they don't wake up in the morning feeling terrible about yesterday how up in the morning feeling terrillet about yesterday how up in the morning feeling terrillet themselves'day how up in the morning feeling terrillet themselves down. how up in the morning feeling terrillet themselves down. you»w they let themselves down. you know, a tree frog spends 100% of its time being a tree frog. it's a human spends living in the

present. >> yes, they're living in. my daughter's acquired daughter's just acquired a completely blind dog. i have a friend with it. yeah, and it's ecstatically happy now. and it's wonderful because it doesn't wake up in the morning thinking , wake up in the morning thinking, i wish i wake up in the morning thinking, iwish i had wake up in the morning thinking, i wish i had a couple of hours or i wish i was a cat. >> you know, i mean, we as humans, we wish other humans, we wish to be other things time. we are just things all the time. we are just so dissatisfied with ourselves, teach us so much. >> these things they do. and i think the value of pets that think the value of pets is that they bring us into the present, that we're stroking a cat that when we're stroking a cat or playing with a dog, we're totally in the present, which is where lies. it is it where happiness lies. it is it is absolutely right. i'm thinking of a damasio. do you remember damasio , antonio remember damasio, antonio damasio's about the guy damasio's book about the guy who'd had his who had a perfectly logical brain? that's right. but he couldn't make any decisions because his emotional intelligence had been rendered him. so i'm saying if it's going to if they're going to take over the world for us, they have to develop emotional develop an emotional intelligence which will tell them how to do that. well, no , i

them how to do that. well, no, i mean, no, i think that's like saying a car has to develop legs if it's going to be like a cheetah. >> the point is, it won't be ever it will ever like a cheetah, but it will go but it's style of go faster. but it's style of going is not legs, but going forward is not legs, but and similarly a computer style of sentience. we wouldn't need to imitate a human one, just as a car doesn't need to imitate a cheetah, or indeed a human. you don't. and a robot won't won't be a walking android type thing unless we want that for fun. but you know, that's not the way it needs to be. sometimes you imitate nature , of course, and imitate nature, of course, and people love to imitate geckos for sticking things all the rest of it in nature. um obviously has had millions of years to practice and fail and practice and fail and practice and fail. >> but the basic rule of computer is, i right? or is computer is, am i right? or is this fashion in, out ? this old fashion in, out? >> yes. let's go . garbage in, >> yes. let's go. garbage in, garbage out. was the polite way of putting it. >> how can they go beyond what we put in them? >> well, they look elsewhere .

>> well, they look elsewhere. that's one of the things the internet has done, is that we don't anything into that. it don't put anything into that. it goes and looks for it. we goes out and looks for it. we tell it to look . tell it to look. >> oh, i see, it's orders are to look. >> it scans the world of data and not to look for anything in particular. exactly . not to particular. no, exactly. not to look for anything particular. i mean at the moment have to mean at the moment you have to remember you're remember that what you're looking , let's say, looking at now is, let's say, chat gpt four, which is the sort of publicly available second version of the open ai , uh, bot version of the open ai, uh, bot as they like to call it, that is like looking at karl benz car in 1895. jolly impressive . look at 1895. jolly impressive. look at that poop poop , poop. it can go that poop poop, poop. it can go ten miles an hour. it's amazing what it will be next year. and the year after. and in ten years time, look at what the motor car became. look at how it transformed everything about our lives and cities and our lives and our cities and our countries, because the people inventing a lot of people motivated to make them better. >> and also you have to remember

an enormous number of people who loved their horses, looked at it and said , it's pathetic. and said, it's pathetic. >> it'll never catch on. it's been said, i mean, i remember when i first heard it, no, i get all that. >> and then a human. if >> and then there's a human. if you the cars are improving, you if the cars are improving, it's because there's some human who wants to make them better. yes. so i'm where does that emotion , passion. i want to do emotion, passion. i want to do this for some reason. come from? if he can't make a decision on if our emotional faculties are not tasked to make itself better or it's tasked, it's tasked to make itself better. >> yeah. even the ones we have now, things like chess, there's now, things like chess, there's no element of the human mind over there in chess . over there in chess. >> so you can always come up with a computer that will beat a man eventually . yes. and its man eventually. yes. and its memory is better. and it can play memory is better. and it can play all these games and find out doesn't out what works, what doesn't work . so you got yes. but work. so you got that? yes. but but when you're dealing with things with as an element of the human emotion involved in order to create a decision , the point

to create a decision, the point is it's artificial intelligence . is it's artificial intelligence. >> we're not making human intelligence in a machine. we are making artificial intelligence. i know, but i'm asking is it limited? >> is it limited in what it what can achieve because it can't decide ? tried to do something decide? tried to do something because it wants to. >> yes. probably limited in that it will probably. >> yes. probably limited in that it will probably . we hope that it will probably. we hope that it will probably. we hope that it will probably. we hope that it will remain in something that takes instruction . so yeah, that takes instruction. so yeah, that it won't say i want to paint a ceiling and it then produces something better than the sistine chapel, because i have a need to do it. but but, but given the exponential way, it will improve, improve itself, write code to improve itself and continue to improve. i understand given that it's very hard to make a stable and safe. >> so prediction question. yeah cricket. yes >> actor cricket. there you are. what what was the point of hundred the years? >> we've got 20 overs which is

120 balls. now somebody says no, we'd be better if we only had 100 balls. do we got to go slowly down until the match has been pared down to about 30 balls for each innings , right. balls for each innings, right. yeah. and then all the rest of the time we can watch rockets going off. >> and it's money. of course it is money. it's advertising . it's is money. it's advertising. it's getting people in the ground . getting people in the ground. >> and what's the difference between 100 and 20 balls and 101 hundred. >> it seems not much. >> it seems not much. >> but sometimes these things do make a difference. i personally not a huge fan of the 100. some people i know who are real cricketers and absolute lovers of the game think it's a fantastic innovation. >> i thought it was cricket for people who didn't like cricket. >> to introduce >> well, it's to introduce people like cricket to people who don't like cricket to cricket it's cricket and then see maybe it's a gateway drug. >> it's not a game, it's a marketing exercise. right >> kind of. yes. i mean, i'm afraid that's the way things go because. because grounds might otherwise be empty. and so the

only way you can fill them is to market game. you can't. you market the game. you can't. you can't expect them. >> i love test matches, and i love the county championship. people of our generation do, but i think we have to be realistic about getting younger people into they want to spend into it and they want to spend an evening having fun in kind of in the way americans go to a baseball game. >> and i know it sounds terrible to imitate. no another another american institution. >> yes, it's for people with limited attention span. if you like. >> i think that may well be your sweetie. >> .gov bless you, dear man. >> .gov bless you, dear man. >> i'm sure i've talked nonsense , but it's been enormous fun to edit you very, very heavily . edit you very, very heavily. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> no, it's great. it really is. it's been fabulous to chose any one of those cats you like and take it with you. >> tell me that. would i would ? >> tell me that. would i would? and now time for a song . and now time for a song. >> this say that life is

fleeting . like some shoddy fleeting. like some shoddy central heating. first your toasty , then your mostly in the toasty, then your mostly in the cold, cold. there are some who say it's ruthless that we end up bald and toothless, but who admits the benefits of getting old mother nature is a pensioner , and though we shouldn't mention her, she carries on as though she's gone berserk . work though she's gone berserk. work we aspire to this endeavour that will peace will reign forever. but how can it, when the planet doesn't work . i can't wait for doesn't work. i can't wait for the apocalypse . the atmospheric the apocalypse. the atmospheric is satanic whistle stop a clip . is satanic whistle stop a clip. oops. there's a cost of living crisis. peppa pig is joining

isis. there's bugger all to live for, so we're ready to die. >> i can't wait for the apocalypse . apocalypse. >> what kind of blunt and jubilant atomic clock is this? there is no second coming, just a bog with lousy plumbing. >> we don't need a horoscope to certify that the end of the world is nai nai nai nai nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh . nyeh nyeh nyeh. >> night is quite alluring , nyeh nyeh nyeh. >> night is quite alluring, and to me it's reassuring that the bunfight over sunlight is adjourned to oblivion . adjourned to oblivion. >> ian is jolly. there's no need to bring a brolly for extinctions . extinctions. >> a distinction to be your wonder. it's quite common for an earthling to expect a fresh rebirthing re—emerge as joan of arc or mao tse dol . arc or mao tse dol. >> but if you dream of smutty

mergings on a cloud of 80 virgins, when you've signed out, you will find out you were wrong i >> -- >> hey,i exam >> hey , i can't wait for the apocalypse. >> the fine and dandy cotton candy lollipop eclipse . there candy lollipop eclipse. there are demons swinging axes, but at least you won't be taxes. so bnng least you won't be taxes. so bring on armageddon cos we're ready to fly i can't wait for the apocalypse a final pucker from the. with the proper lips. >> let the universe be blasted. >> let the universe be blasted. >> it was spiffing while it lasted till it's wave a metaphysical goodbye . hey . for metaphysical goodbye. hey. for the end of the world is nigh . the end of the world is nigh. >> via .

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