away . good evening happy friday away. good evening happy friday and welcome to patrick christys tonight . tonight. >> yeah . that why are ordinary >> yeah. that why are ordinary members of the public having to step in and do the job of police and security guards .7 is it now and security guards? is it now up to us to keep ourselves safe and is stopping the boats the most important issue for you at the next election are exclusive polling data reveals what the nation's top issues are, how far ahead labour is in the polls, and which former prime minister you'd most like to bring back . you'd most like to bring back. talking pm's . talking of former pm's. >> hi folks , 2024 is almost upon us. >> us. >> it is indeed we will have a little new year message from bofis little new year message from boris johnson to bring to you, and we'll be revealing the new year's honours list. some really

surprising names there. surprising names on there. elsewhere, bbc's top jobs elsewhere, the bbc's top jobs are filled with privately educated poshos. is it any wonder they patronise the working class by constantly referring to them as drugged up, alcoholic thickos? they are infected with metropolitan infected with a metropolitan elitist mindset and blokes should not be playing against women at grassroots sport. we will be joined by brave former british olympian mara yamauchi, who is speaking out after men started setting records at women's parkrun events. on my panel tonight we've got the wonderful suzanne evans, john sergeant and michael walker. this is patrick christys tonight. here we go . tonight. here we go. email me right now. tonight. here we go. email me right now . what is the email me right now. what is the most important issue for you at the next election? gb views our gbnews.com exclusive polling gb news.com exclusive polling data gbnews.com exclusive polling data when we come back. but first it's time for your news with sophia wenzler.

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tragic circumstances show the sort of man he was. chris marriott went to the aid of an unconscious woman when he was hit by a car, which had ploughed into a crowd of people on wednesday. she's in a life threatening condition in hospital , threatening condition in hospital, while a 23 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of murder and attempted murder and remains in custody . while a 55 year old has custody. while a 55 year old has been released on bail . and been released on bail. and a british woman and her son have died after an avalanche swept through the french alps. the 54 year old and her 22 year old son were skiing with family on mont blanc when the disaster occurred, a search and rescue mission involving around 20 emergency lasted five emergency workers lasted five hours. authorities say. another person, believed to be an instructor , escaped with minor instructor, escaped with minor injuries . and maine has become injuries. and maine has become the second us state to block donald trump from running as candidate in the next year's presidential election. officials say the move is because of trump's involvement in inciting riots, when his supporters

stormed the us capitol in january 2021. colorado reached a similar conclusion nine days ago, although california has announced he'll remain on its ballot . donald trump's team has ballot. donald trump's team has described the decision as atrocious and has vowed to appeal. atrocious and has vowed to appeal . this is gb news on tv, appeal. this is gb news on tv, online, on dab+ radio and on your smart speaker. this is gb news. now back to . patrick. news. now back to. patrick. >> we are kick starting the show with brand new polling data for you that we can reveal exclusively here on patrick christys tonight. the results are fascinating, but it's what's revealed when you drill down into the numbers that really tells of a lot about tells you a heck of a lot about where as nation. so where we are as a nation. so here go . to quote chris here we go. to quote chris whitty, first slide please. more than half of the country feel worse off than they did a year ago 54% to be precise. and when asked if it's time for a change in westminster , 66% of you turn

in westminster, 66% of you turn to agree or strongly agree. interesting there though , that interesting there though, that just 81% of labour voters think it's just 81% of labour voters think wsfime just 81% of labour voters think it's time for a change. what's happened to the rest of them? only 74% of lib dems as well . only 74% of lib dems as well. let's get into what the top priorities are for voters at the next election . so first, it's next election. so first, it's the cost of living crisis. the money in your pocket. second, it's improving the national health service record backlogs there strikes that needs sorting , doesn't it? then we've got stopping the boats that came in at 17, but among tory 2019 voters, that's at 35, which is their highest priority. so tories who voted in the last round think stopping the boats is their top priority. that's being echoed in my inbox. so far. gb views at gb news. com but then we come to overall voting intention. so this is the big one really, isn't it? labour would win 45% of the vote. the tories would win 23% and reform would win 10. that would put reform level nationally with the

liberal democrats. i think that's quite a remarkable achievement, really , isn't it? achievement, really, isn't it? that would almost definitely hand the keys to downing street to labour. but check this out. so drilling down into the numbers, we see that 38% of tories who voted conservative last time would vote for the party again if there was an election tomorrow , so just 38% election tomorrow, so just 38% of them and 31% of people who voted lib dem last time say that they would now vote labour. so when they're asked which form of prime minister as well that you would most like to bring back today, can guess who the today, can we guess who the winner margaret thatcher was winner is? margaret thatcher was first wins and churchill came in second. and tony blair is third in interestingly, 17% of labour voters wanted gordon brown compared to 19% of labour voters wanting blair. i wonder what's happened there. so there we have it. the latest round of exclusive polling data for us here at gb news it's time to unpack now with my panel. unpack this now with my panel. let's get their thoughts, shall

we? political we? former bbc chief political correspondent john sergeant. we've commentator we've got political commentator suzanne evans and the journalist michael walker. i'll start with you. cost of living crisis . the you. cost of living crisis. the main issue for you or not? >> i think it's the main issue for the country. it's really got to not surprised this to be. so i'm not surprised this has number one. has come in at number one. i think for me, the most shocking thing about the polling data that is only 38% that we've just seen is only 38% of conservatives who voted in the last general election would vote conservative again. is vote conservative again. that is an absolutely shock result for rishi sunak . you know, boris was rishi sunak. you know, boris was immensely popular , swung into immensely popular, swung into power with that 90 seat majority and now only 38% would vote conservative again as shocking indictment of rishi sunaks leadership, i'm afraid john, in the inbox at the moment, i've asked people what their major issue is going into the next election. >> the most important thing is to send a message the to send a message to the conservatives that conservatives and labour that they have had enough by voting reform sarah, will. reform that, says sarah, will. 10% nation, are 10% of the nation, sarah, are with that. the with you on that. the overwhelming response is definitely immigration. john

says immigration, both legal and illegal. your thoughts on the immigration issue being in third, john? >> yeah, i mean , i think the >> yeah, i mean, i think the problem about this is, is that it no sort of direct it makes no sort of direct comparison with the main parties. so you get a general feeling that what are you going to ask yourself on election day ? to ask yourself on election day? and the answer comes back because it's sort of like a straightforward question. well how am affected in terms of , how am i affected in terms of, you cost of living in you know, the cost of living in terms economy how terms of the economy and how much i'm earning and how i'm doing ? and that, of course, is doing? and that, of course, is the answer . but life the correct answer. but life isn't as that. and it isn't as simple as that. and it depends on what your constituency is , what, when, constituency is, what, when, when the arguments take place and whether or not you can clearly see a dividing line between the government at the moment and the opposition and frankly, at the moment it's rather muddled. you do not get a clear picture of what labour would do, and so this poll, although it seems to be so that's it then. we've decided what's going to happen in the next election. i don't think it's as simple as that at the

moment the conservatives are in deep trouble . they've not really deep trouble. they've not really decided want to go to deep trouble. they've not really dec country. want to go to deep trouble. they've not really dec country. i want to go to deep trouble. they've not really dec country. i thinkwant to go to deep trouble. they've not really dec country. i think there's go to the country. i think there's a strong argument for an early election that seems to be the noise. >> it seems to be the noise at the moment doesn't that the moment doesn't seem that we're going a. we're going to get a. >> those reasons, >> so for all those reasons, although, you know, yes, you get >> so for all those reasons, althdissatisfaction n, yes, you get >> so for all those reasons, althdissatisfaction vote,., you get >> so for all those reasons, althdissatisfaction vote, it's u get the dissatisfaction vote, it's absolutely clear. but don't expect terms of so expect too much in terms of so that's we've got it now . that's it. we've got it now. we've got the election result. i don't it's as simple as that. >> michael, you must jumping >> michael, you must be jumping for exists. for joy that reform exists. we've got 15% of the latest round of tory voters saying they're going to vote for reform , and they are handing the keys to downing street to labour, aren't they? >> make >> it wouldn't make much difference if labour are 43, >> i mean, if labour are on 43, then splitting the right wing vote going be the vote isn't going to be the decisive factor, is it? >> include the >> obviously didn't include the lib greens. lib dems in the greens. >> saying that's just >> i'm not saying that's just because the same. because it was the same. >> but in any >> yeah, but in any case, i mean, i think this polling mean, i think what this polling shows difficult shows is, is how difficult the situation is because situation rishi sunak is because he's decide, am he's got to decide, what am i going next election going to fight the next election on? obviously, think on? and obviously, i think rightly, most rightly, what people care most about of living about is the cost of living crisis nhs. my

crisis and the nhs. now, in my view, we've a view, the reason we've got a crisis in both those areas is crisis in both of those areas is because years of tory because of 13 years of tory mismanagement. squeeze mismanagement. we had a squeeze in the nhs funding. it's gone back up now , but it doesn't back up now, but it doesn't really if sort of if really work if you sort of if staff you can't just staff have left, you can't just throw money at it and throw a bunch of money at it and hope going to fix hope it's all going to fix itself a year, so itself within a year, right? so you've time you've got this really long time problem making the problem of they're making the same of living same with the cost of living crisis. might feel crisis. so people might feel worse this year than worse off this year than they did we're did a year ago. so we're actually off we were actually worse off than we were 15 right? so there actually worse off than we were 15 been right? so there actually worse off than we were 15 been zero ight? so there actually worse off than we were 15 been zero wage so there actually worse off than we were 15 been zero wage growtha actually worse off than we were 15 been zero wage growth in has been zero wage growth in this the 15 this country for the past 15 years. so of those years. so neither of those things can on. things he can fight on. >> then decided, okay, >> so then he's decided, okay, well, let's just go for immigration. we'll go for immigration. >> he said, >> the problem there is he said, this issue for this is the number one issue for the then solve the country. then he can't solve it. but also that means the >> but he's also that means the tory vote is now split between them. with reform. the other thing immigration them. with reform. the other thing for immigration them. with reform. the other thing for rishimigration them. with reform. the other thing for rishi sunak on them. with reform. the other thing for rishi sunak is that problem for rishi sunak is that he saying, going he keeps saying, oh, we're going to we're going to he keeps saying, oh, we're going to down we're going to he keeps saying, oh, we're going to down really re going to he keeps saying, oh, we're going to down really hard ing to he keeps saying, oh, we're going to down really hard on to and come down really hard on it. and then about days later then about two days later you get ferret and get the old reverse ferret and people i do think people lose trust. i do think that the fundamental lack of trust board trust here across the board is quite quite casmus, quite, is quite casmus, really. and would you back that, though, suzanne , that it's all the suzanne, that it's all the tories blame when it comes to

tories to blame when it comes to the nhs and the cost living the nhs and the cost of living crisis? i mean, we've had a war in we've had a pandemic in ukraine, we've had a pandemic also, the nhs, also, when it comes to the nhs, i people whose also, when it comes to the nhs, i is people whose also, when it comes to the nhs, i is to people whose also, when it comes to the nhs, i is to run people whose also, when it comes to the nhs, i is to run the aople whose also, when it comes to the nhs, i is to run the nhs whose job it is to run the nhs actually get enough stick. >> yeah, i totally agree. actually. i think we've got the nhs is a problem and nhs is a massive problem and even now, you know, 7.5 even more so now, you know, 7.5 million people on the waiting list. disagree list. and i do disagree with michael. not about 13 years michael. it's not about 13 years of government. it's of conservative government. it's about exactly said. it's about exactly as you said. it's primarily lockdowns, which also caused of course, massive inflation, furlough money, printing, end of supply chains. of course, inflation was going to rocket. there's no doubt about that same with the nhs. if you shut down the nhs and make it a covid only service, of course be course there's going to be a massive and let's not massive backlog. and let's not forget the labour party forget that the labour party were pushing and pushing for harder, longer lockdowns all the time. can't blame the time. so you can't blame the conservatives and one conservatives for that. and one of the other statistics, i'd just pull out is 66% of just like to pull out is 66% of people saying they want change in westminster. yeah , it's in westminster. well, yeah, it's not going to happen though, is it? people vote it? unless people start to vote for parties in a much, for smaller parties in a much, much larger numbers and 10% for

them? sounds very good, but it's probably not going to translate into a single in parliament. into a single mp in parliament. that's so change in that's the problem. so change in westminster in principle, people are clearly fed up with the whole shebang and the whole lot of them, but it's probably not going change. of them, but it's probably not goiijohn, change. of them, but it's probably not goiijohn, charjust to >> john, i'm just going to bring you in to talk about another thing that poll reveal, which is about former prime ministers that they would like to see back, thatcher was back, and margaret thatcher was the and out winner there the out and out winner there when it came to which form of prime like prime minister you would like to, her case, to, in her case, quite literally, what do to, in her case, quite litermake what do to, in her case, quite litermake that? what do you make of that? >> well, think >> well, i think it's interesting you think interesting if you if you think of you think churchill interesting if you if you think oyeah. you think churchill interesting if you if you think oyeah. bring)u think churchill interesting if you if you think oyeah. bring churchill hurchill interesting if you if you think oyeah. bring churchill back. ll interesting if you if you think oyetwhating churchill back. ll interesting if you if you think oyetwhat mightjrchill back. ll interesting if you if you think oyetwhat might he|ill back. ll interesting if you if you think oyetwhat might he do?»ack. ll and what might he do? declare war russia something, war on russia or something, you know. do with, know. so it's all to do with, you general picture of you know, general picture of their of these historical figures in practice, if they came through the door, people would be stunned and think, oh, no, not that . no, not that. >> what if they came to >> what if they if they came to the door now, i think they'd be stunned. i mean, could you imagine what thatcher or churchill horrified? >> that you would >> but the idea that you would then settle them down and this sort idea you need sort of idea that what you need is minister no.

is a great prime minister no. what at what you need is someone at this precise consider the precise moment to consider the problems convincingly problems and convincingly explain the way out. that's what you really need, and you need that now . and to say, oh, well, that now. and to say, oh, well, as churchill, what he do as churchill, what would he do and would margaret thatcher and what would margaret thatcher do end of margaret do at the end of margaret thatcher's she was thatcher's terms? she was amazingly unpopular. there were moments terrific achievement, moments of terrific achievement, but was certainly terrific but there was certainly terrific achievements for blair. he won but there was certainly terrific achie'elections,»r blair. he won but there was certainly terrific achie'elections, soylair. he won but there was certainly terrific achie'elections, so you he won but there was certainly terrific achie'elections, so you look/on three elections, so you look back on these characters, you've got to consider what it was like for them and for all of us at the time that they were in power. that's what i'm saying now. i don't mean so if you now. i don't mean to. so if you look you say, well, look at this, you say, well, who do could walk do you really think could walk through and at least through the door and at least start to talk the problems through the door and at least stitoday?ilk the problems through the door and at least stitoday? the the problems through the door and at least stitoday? the answer; problems through the door and at least stitoday? the answer would ems through the door and at least stitoday? the answer would be; of today? the answer would be tony blair. of today? the answer would be ton blairir. so you'd of today? the answer would be tonblairir. so you'd have >> blair came so you'd have blair back. >> good. great no. in the question of you've got these three possibilities, who do you think could walk through the door and help? it's got the advantage of being alive, i suppose. it's got the advantage. >> could at least he >> he could he could at least he could least through the doon >> yeah, but he's also considering lot of these considering a lot of these issues. just happens

considering a lot of these issuesthe just happens considering a lot of these issuesthe case. just happens to be the case. >> getting very well paid >> he's getting very well paid to so, isn't he? although i to do so, isn't he? although i suppose actually he take suppose actually he doesn't take the what >> it goes, well, what do you what do you make that though, what do you make of that though, when look in when you, when you look at it in terms people would most terms of who people would most like i think it's a like to bring, i think it's a shame attlee not shame that attlee is not on there. >> w. w as someone @ as someone who >> i mean, as someone who disagrees with margaret thatcher, she's thatcher, i can see why she's on there, was there, because she was a consequential there, because she was a conshadential there, because she was a conshaden critique of what was there, because she was a conshion n critique of what was there, because she was a conshion in ritique of what was there, because she was a conshion in societyof what was there, because she was a conshion in society and 1at was there, because she was a conshion in society and at was going on in society and a sort of version how to solve of her version of how to solve scored 2, 2, very, very scored it 2, 2, 2, very, very can i just say the biggest one was 39. was don't know with 39. >> so there in >> yeah, yeah. so there is in that yes. yeah >> yeah, yeah. so there is in tha but yes. yeah >> yeah, yeah. so there is in tha but that's yes. yeah >> yeah, yeah. so there is in tha but that's about'eah it. >> but that's about you is it. you're that's me. >> the 39. that's right. >> i'm the 39. that's right. >> i'm the 39. that's right. >> with you too. >> with you too. >> 5 >> with you too. >> a ringing >> it's not exactly a ringing endorsement them, is endorsement for any of them, is it really. but of course it is the that three the one thing that all three have is they are have got in common is they are strong of conviction. strong leaders of conviction. and that's what people strong leaders of conviction. and politicians; what people strong leaders of conviction. and politicians areiat people strong leaders of conviction. and politicians are lackingle think. politicians are lacking now. like reed now. they blow like a reed in the depending what's the wind. depending on what's popular, what's not, what the latest says , they change latest poll says, they change their like the weather. their minds like the weather. i think this. to me think this is this. this to me says we want a leader who says what they think and does what they say. >> know so charisma >> you know, so charisma we want that's other thing. yeah. that's the other thing. yeah. but those three started out somebody who fascinates them.

somebody then oh, somebody who then says, oh, you know, of the opposition know, leader of the opposition is on the the now he's is on the on the box now he's doing interview. can you doing an interview. can you imagine people saying, oh, we must watch keir starmer i'm sorry, got to i've got to sorry, i've got to i've got to cut off what we're doing now. people prime people won't or even the prime minister so the prime minister is on. look at the is on. now, you look at the figures. some these figures. yeah, but some of these key moments, only i've key moments, the only time i've ever really ever seen him get really energised he sitting on energised when he was sitting on elon talking about elon musk's knee talking about artificial intelligence. elon musk's knee talking about artiand. intelligence. elon musk's knee talking about artiand. ithought,ce. elon musk's knee talking about artiand.ithought,ce. grief. >> and i thought, good grief. you to just have you know, he used to just have strong words with nerds like that didn't we. now that at school. didn't we. now they the so there that at school. didn't we. now the go. the so there that at school. didn't we. now the go. the the so there that at school. didn't we. now the go. the the overwhelming we go. i think the overwhelming take is this right, which take for me is this right, which is 66% of people, think is that 66% of people, uh, think that want real radical that they want real radical change but then change in westminster. but then when a load tory when you look at a load of tory voters, they're now thinking of voting lib voting reform, a load of lib dems at thinking of dems are looking at thinking of voting labour and 81% of labour voters actually desperate voters are actually desperate for change. so what the heck is happening i happening to the other 19? i think heck of a lot of think there's a heck of a lot of politically homeless people out there. inbox there. it's echoed in the inbox gb views gb news. com keep those emails coming in. i will go to those shortly. patrick, i am living in a different world living in in a different world town busy. town centres are very busy.

expensive coffee shops and restaurants . know cost of restaurants. i know for cost of living crisis for fay she says uh , loads of people saying that uh, loads of people saying that really , uh, their main issue is really, uh, their main issue is immigration. so certainly for the gb news viewers, shock, horror, is big horror, immigration is the big issue. to agree horror, immigration is the big issueyou to agree horror, immigration is the big issueyou both to agree horror, immigration is the big issueyou both legal to agree horror, immigration is the big issueyou both legal and gree horror, immigration is the big issueyou both legal and illegal. with you both legal and illegal. i think a lot of the other problems in this country would be sorted we had had be sorted out if we had had that under the tories under control, but the tories didn't still come. didn't do it. still to come. should grassroots sports like the parkrun lose their the local parkrun lose their funding if they allow trans women so men to compete in female categories? now former olympian mara yamauchi isn't pulling her punches . she joins pulling her punches. she joins me live. but up next, is it a problem that the bbc's top jobs are still packed with privately educated people? star of the tv hit shameless, tina malone goes head to head with apprentice star and the ever outspoken right mark parsons. the theory is that the bbc just patronise the working class and their diversity quotas are all wrong. don't move

pm. on gb news the people's channel pm. on gb news the people's channel, britain's news channel . channel, britain's news channel. >> how would you feel if a bloke turned up and won your local women's park run? a bit miffed, i imagine. well, former olympian mara yamauchi is going to be joining me on why trans athletes need to be banned from competing against women at grassroots need to be banned from competing againsbutimen at grassroots need to be banned from competing againsbut right at grassroots need to be banned from competing againsbut right now,assroots need to be banned from competing againsbut right now, though, level. but right now, though, it's level. but right now, though, wsfime level. but right now, though, it's time for our head to head . it's time for our head to head. and in a sun newspaper exclusive, bbc figures show that more than a fifth of its highest

earners went to a private school, so bbc pay statistics reveal that 22% of the corporation's staff are on more than 150 grand, and they went to fee paying schools with high profile names, including presenter laura kuenssberg, world affairs editor john simpson, royal correspondent nicholas witchell, etc. now, earlier this month, a report by ofcom found that the bbc's politically correct programmes show the broadcaster is out of touch. the regulator said that the beeb's portrayal of the working class used extreme stereotypes such as emphasising criminality, drink and drug cultures and financial hardship. so tonight i am asking is it a problem that the bbc's top jobs are still packed with privately educated people? let me know your thoughts . email me gb views your thoughts. email me gb views gbnews.com and get on twitter at gbnews.com and get on twitter at gb news. while you're there, take part in our poll. the results to come very shortly. but to debate this now i am joined by tv personality ryan mark parsons and actress tina

malone. both of you, thank you very , very much. great to have very, very much. great to have you on the show. and tina, you both on the show. and tina, i'll start with you. ladies first. you think a first. so do you think it's a problem then, the bbc's top problem then, that the bbc's top talent privately talent is packed with privately educated people? >> i think, um, what happens is, if you were born into a situation where you have money, which is great, and, you know, i wish i had been you , you are wish i had been you, you are more likely to go to a good school , are more likely go to school, are more likely to go to university . um, most people university. um, most people nowadays working class are struggling food on their struggling to put food on their table, let alone like you mentioned before, drink or drugs , and also less likely to push their children. i guess into education. mainly because they can't afford it . so if you are can't afford it. so if you are going for a top job at the bbc, if you've been to university, you are showing application, you are showing that you are intelligent , you have got to a intelligent, you have got to a certain level in your education, and so you are more likely to get the job. it's that simple. i mean it right from using readers

right through to the apprentice , right through to the apprentice, right through to the apprentice, right through to most dramas. i mean, i'm never i'm always going to be the guest. i'm never going to be the guest. i'm never going to be the host or the presenter. i you imagine me reading i mean, you imagine me reading the here, get on this. the news here, get on this. bofis the news here, get on this. boris johnson's a liar. the news here, get on this. boris johnson's a liar . we've boris johnson's a liar. we've just out after i'd watch it. >> i'll be honest with you, tina. i'd watch. i'd watch the living heck out of that. but, uh, you know, maybe that's maybe that's into your that's a window into your future. mark, i'll future. but ryan. mark, i'll bnng future. but ryan. mark, i'll bring now, you bring you in. now, what do you reckon i think you reckon is. i mean, i think you have radically have quite a radically different view. problem have quite a radically different view.it? problem with it? >> no, see a problem. i >> no, i don't see a problem. i just think people are trying to find with find an issue, really? with nothing. those nothing. i find that those people, at the bbc, people, the bosses at the bbc, like for example, like tim davie, for example, director general, he went to whitgift a whitgift school, which is a boarding school south london. boarding school in south london. these people are educated people. i can attest to that. i went to private school . i know went to a private school. i know the level of education and what it's like comparatively to friends that went to state schools getting schools. you're getting you're getting sorry. let me finish. you're getting a good level of education and i think that's all really it should come down to

these people are made these these people are made for these jobs don't see the issue. jobs and i don't see the issue. why would hire for the sake why would we hire for the sake of diversifying talent at the bbc? people that aren't as equipped as those that came from a private school. >> all right, tina, go on, come back.i >> all right, tina, go on, come back. i try not to talk. >> not? listen to people? >> why not? listen to people? listen to the demographic that you programmes you are commissioning programmes for? the posh for? why? just go to the posh people. don't get me people. listen, don't get me wrong . i haven't got a problem wrong. i haven't got a problem with you're class, with whether you're upper class, middle class. if middle class, working class. if you the job and you're you deserve the job and you're educated, good luck. but what i'm saying is , if you look at i'm saying is, if you look at eddie redmayne to next say, ray winstone, who's worked harder to get to where they are to become accomplished , eddie redmayne is accomplished, eddie redmayne is accomplished, eddie redmayne is a wonderful actor , as is ray a wonderful actor, as is ray winstone. ray worked twice as hard because he wasn't born into a family that could, you know, relieve the stress of education, of studying, of going to these, having the opportunity his. do you understand ? that's all i'm you understand? that's all i'm saying. it's about evil . saying. it's about evil. >> is that fair, though remark?

because i get what's he is saying there absolutely . and i saying there absolutely. and i think that there are some professions where maybe nepotism and knocks more. if and opportunity knocks more. if you are born into wealth, and i suspect the acting profession is one of those. right. i'm not sure if the same applies, but maybe it does in media, i don't know. go on remark. >> well, i think tina is just being really pessimistic, jealous . it just sounds very jealous. it just sounds very bitter me. i think if bitter to me. i think if talented , i'm an award winning talented, i'm an award winning good at your job, which like good at your job, which is like tina, a private tina, come from a private school. i just think that should be celebrated. i don't think you should people have should demonise people that have come school and come from a private school and therefore them to therefore not allow them to access jobs . and also, i access these jobs. and also, i went a private school in went to a private school in south diverse . so south london, very diverse. so i think there's this skewed perception that if you went to a private school. okay can i just interrupt? millionaires my private very diverse , private school was very diverse, lots of backgrounds, lots of faiths, lots of ethnicities . you faiths, lots of ethnicities. you can't just assume that people from a private school come from a certain background, extremely bright. >> but unfortunately, i was

extremely bright. i went to the same school as edwina currie. i was head girl as she was, but what i'm saying to you is we didn't have the money. the money available to push to university. and unfortunately , not everybody and unfortunately, not everybody is given that opportunity . is given that opportunity. that's all i'm saying was i'm not more advantageous if you're applying for oxbridge , you're applying for oxbridge, you're more likely to get accepted. >> if you've come from a state school in 2023. >> actress and i've got next, you're going to say, i have a chip because i'm a scouser. i'm from the north. i've dealt with that all my life. darling i'm i'd eat you for breakfast. seriously, i'm three times older than you. i trust me, you need to stop complaining. >> you sound very negative. >> you sound very negative. >> one time, one time, one at a time. one at a time. one at a time. one at a time. one at a time. right mark, do you accept that working for that experience working for channel 4, the bbc, bbc two and dumping dramas right through to other programmes? >> right. and i respect the bbc.

i've even put my glasses on to look more intelligent so that i might get a job. but what i'm saying to you is i mean, banter aside and all that, what i'm saying to you is if you are at the top of the bbc and you are a commissioning editor or an executive producer , you are more executive producer, you are more likely to have been to you know, cambridge, oxbridge, whatever . cambridge, oxbridge, whatever. but what i'm saying is, you should open the doors because some of us vickys, as you call us, do have wonderful ideas as well. >> this is interesting. so this is because ryan, i think you were making the point that now oxbridge are trying to favour working is that oxbridge are trying to favour workinyeah. is that right? yeah. >> lot universities , >> a lot of these universities, especially oxbridge, they're favouring students, applicants from economic from low socio economic backgrounds. so i think that just goes to show that these elite establishments are making moving in the right direction . moving in the right direction. >> please stop talking over him . >> please stop talking over him. i know you feel very strongly about it, but we've got to let him talk. >> so i just wm- >> yeah. so i just think there are positive being

are positive steps being made and ultimately, comes and ultimately, when it comes down interview, i the bbc down to an interview, i the bbc is a corporation. it is a business they need to hire as any any other business. the best people for the role. now, if that person happens to come from a school, what's the a private school, what's the issue that? we issue with that? are we just going stop talented going to stop talented people from jobs the from accessing the best jobs the bbc needs to deliver top content. people are paying a licence fee for a reason. why are we going to disqualify people? just because their parents happen to pay full their education? tina needs to stop being so negative , bitter, being so negative, bitter, jealous. it's a really repetitious tune that needs to end because you get nowhere with complaining and being negative. like she is tina. >> but if people like you continue to run these tablishment i'm not. >> you will find the establishment bafta winning actor . actor. >> the majority of the bafta winning writers and producers tend generally to be from the working class. jemmy mcgovern, paul abbott, willy russell, all these people, the beatles , these people, the beatles, whoever they are, all working

class. so what i'm saying to you is give people an opportunity, darling , i is give people an opportunity, darling, i ain't never many of opportunities. >> what are you talking about? >> what are you talking about? >> never be bitter, roger. >> never be bitter, roger. >> you're saying there's no opportunity for those that haven't private school haven't gone to a private school 7 haven't gone to a private school ? to accomplish. is that ? hard to accomplish. is that what no. ? hard to accomplish. is that whtsorry no. ? hard to accomplish. is that whtsorry . no. >> sorry. >> sorry. >> are you saying there's no opportunities for those that haven't come from a private school? >> no. i'm saying they're moving in direction, albeit in the right direction, albeit too slowly, too little , too too slowly, too little, too late. we need to do that much more. that's what i'm saying . more. that's what i'm saying. >> okay. and i wonder as well , >> okay. and i wonder as well, actually, whether or not the bbc is doing it in the incorrect way, because do these way, because they do do these things like diversity applications, etc, which. all right, fair enough. but one of the problems the diversity the problems with the diversity application you just application is that if you just do based ethnicity, do it based on ethnicity, that person have still gone to person could have still gone to eton and cambridge. right so it's a specifically working it's not a specifically working class application . we're going class application. we're going to have to leave it there. i would have loved to have carried this on all night, but i do hope we do this again. can i just we can do this again. can i just say you, you very,

say thank you, both of you very, very much. proper head to head. you'd tina you'd love to see it. tina malone there. actress thank you. and care. and and we've got to take care. and we've tv personality we've got tv personality ryan—mark we've got tv personality ryan-very k we've got tv personality ryan-very much. now, a very, very much. now, a spokesperson the bbc said we spokesperson for the bbc said we want for everyone want the bbc to be for everyone and latest figures show that and the latest figures show that 21% staff are from low socio 21% of staff are from low socio economic backgrounds, a target of by 2025. so they've of 25% by 2025. so they've slapped a target on it. we're continuing talent continuing to invest in talent schemes and youth outreach projects, we increased projects, and we increased apprenticeships record levels apprenticeships to record levels in but do in the last year. but what do you think ? is it a problem that you think? is it a problem that the bbc's top jobs are still packed privately educated packed with privately educated people twitter of people? susan on twitter says of course it is. how can there ever be true equality under such a system? the entitled , privately system? the entitled, privately educated middle classes educated upper middle classes are utter hypocrites. preaching educated upper middle classes ar

school thing. genuinely, i don't i think it's a mindset thing. and i think it's important to differentiate between those . differentiate between those. mark on twitter says that's not the problem. being so woke and distant the audience distant from the audience is the issue. okay all right. there we go. your verdict is in. so we did a this. 73% of you did a poll on this. 73% of you agree it is a problem , that agree that it is a problem, that the bbc's top jobs are still packed with privately educated people, don't think people, 27% of you don't think it is coming up. people, 27% of you don't think it is coming up . this guy must it is coming up. this guy must have forgot his tesco clubcard . have forgot his tesco clubcard. oh yeah . oh holac ball jokes oh yeah. oh holac ball jokes aside, is it actually just up to us to look after ourselves? it took a brave member of the pubuc took a brave member of the public to take that guy down. where would the police, what are the security guards doing? okay. are we on our own now? i'm going to putting all of this to met to be putting all of this to met detective simon harding. but next, , the last next, astonishingly, the last three female park run records were held by biological males. so the woman that helped to

expose this sporting injustice to the nation is mara yamauchi. and she joins me live next a former olympian, she wants to see trans athletes banned from grassroots sports . and she will grassroots sports. and she will explain why in just a moment

isabel monday to thursdays from. six till 930. welcome back. >> should grassroots sports lose their funding if they allow trans women to compete against other female athletes, or just female athletes? i should say

that's the recommendation in a report from the policy exchange. think tank, who say that the threat to women's sport goes far beyond elite competition. and that's been evidenced up and down the country. trans footballer francesca needham recently caused a season ending knee injury, while blocking a shot. trans rugby player julian curtis was banned from playing the sport only last year. and then there's this british sporting institution. the park run unbelievably biological . sporting institution. the park run unbelievably biological. men hold at least three park run female record as well in may this year, sean longthorpe, who was living as a married man until four years ago, smashed the record in the 45 to 49 age category by a full one minute and 13 seconds. that was rightly put in the national spotlight by former olympian mara yamauchi, who said this meant the erasure of female achievements. i'm delighted to say that mara joins me now. thank you very much. great to have you on the show .

great to have you on the show. it's rare that i get to speak to an olympic hero. so thank you so much for joining an olympic hero. so thank you so much forjoining us. why do you much for joining us. why do you feel strongly about feel so strongly about this? what done ? what should be done? >> um, answer that, let >> um, before i answer that, let me just clarify from your introduction , you said i want introduction, you said i want trans athletes banned from grassroots sport. >> what i want is people born male . so men and boys back and male. so men and boys back and from the female category in grassroots sport, i think trans athletes must be welcome in grassroots sport . so i think the grassroots sport. so i think the female category must be for people born female, you know, female sex at birth that we only have two sexes. you can't change your sex if you're born female. you go in the female category. if you're born male, you go in the male category or the open category of some sports are called it. and there's been a lot of talk that this should happen but not happen at elite level, but not at level . and i at grassroots level. and i oppose because i believe oppose that because i believe females at all levels , all ages, females at all levels, all ages, all abilities , um, deserve all abilities, um, deserve fairness . does it really matter,

fairness. does it really matter, though, if you're taking part in a park run , you're presumably a park run, you're presumably there for the fun of it. >> are you? and does it really matter if somebody who happens to be trans turns up and wins? it >> i think it absolutely matters . females deserve fairness . . females deserve fairness. parkrun claim that they're not a race. um, but they have a start and finish line , a measured and finish line, a measured course, uh, record records, age grade scores , timekeeping, these grade scores, timekeeping, these are all the trappings of a race, and they have a category called male. and another category called female . and they also called female. and they also have two additional categories. another gender identity and prefer not to say so why do they have these categories ? you know, have these categories? you know, the reason is for fairness . the reason is for fairness. males run on average at least 10% faster than females . so the 10% faster than females. so the female category is in and of itself an inclusion measure for females. so parkrun basically allow any male or female into any of those four categories. and you have to ask the question, well why are they operating for mixed sex categories . they need to go back

categories. they need to go back to , uh, you know, protecting the to, uh, you know, protecting the female category for those born female category for those born female at birth and the consequence males being consequence of males being allowed into the female category at parkrun is you as you said at parkrun is as you as you said in your introduction, males holding records . in your introduction, males holding records. i'm holding female records. i'm actually aware of 20 female parkrun records held by males. two of those are outright female course records. the others are all age group records and i've counted more than 150 occasions when a male has finished as first female at parkrun, and that means that the actual first female across the line is recorded in the results as second female and parkrun produce a whole load of really useful data and statistics, which i think is very motivating for people. one of those is this week's first finishers, so when a male finishes first female, the actual first female is not recorded on that list. you know, that's what i mean by the erasure of female achievements . erasure of female achievements. just on christmas on the 23rd of

december, a male finished first female at parkrun and the first female at parkrun and the first female across the line . so the female across the line. so the second female officially in the results was a girl. this is a really terrible message for girls to receive . girls to receive. >> it is absolutely terrible for girls to receive that message in my view, and in other sports. contact sports especially. i mean, it can seriously have massively damaging physical consequences in terms of injury. there are other obvious issues at play here when it comes to changing areas as well. that may or may not apply depending on the facility, but certainly it's not something that any parent would , i would imagine, look would, i would imagine, look forward to the daley thompson message, something today. and he wrote something in an article about how, in his view , no woman about how, in his view, no woman could have ever got close to the times and the performances that any man was doing simply based on their biology. he wasn't having a go at female athletes. he was saying, this is a matter

of fact. do you agree with that ? of fact. do you agree with that? >> yes, absolutely . i mean, this >> yes, absolutely. i mean, this isn't my or daly's opinion. this isn't my or daly's opinion. this is established fact. males run about 10% faster than females at elite level and more at lower levels in jumping and in throwing. it's even greater the gap in punching power. it's 162. gap in punching power. it's162. the gaps between male and female performers are absolutely massive, and this is because of your sex. whether you're male or female, it's not to do with, you know, have you got a great coach? have you got a great diet? if you compare like with like the gap is enormous . and like the gap is enormous. and there i mean, in 2009, i ran my personal best in the marathon two hours, 23, 12, 12. in that year alone, at least 1300 men ran faster than me, and i was ranked second in the world in women's road running . so, you women's road running. so, you know, you can see that if you allow males into the female category , females will totally category, females will totally disappear from sport and elite

athletes are not born elite . we athletes are not born elite. we all start at the bottom as beginners and work our way up to the top. so that's why fairness and safety through a female only female at grassroots female category at grassroots level is absolutely vital for females to stay in sport. we know that women and girls, especially teenage girls , drop especially teenage girls, drop out of sport at really alarming and disappointing rates. um, and frankly, allowing males into the female category will make that problem worse , you know, have problem worse, you know, have you have you received much pushback, mara, for your views on this? >> yes , absolutely. >> yes, absolutely. >> yes, absolutely. >> i've had death threats. i've had people trolling me abuse, you know, telling me to shut up. um, i get regularly emails through my website, us , using through my website, us, using language which i can't repeat on national tv . um, and it's national tv. um, and it's noticeable that men who speak up like. daly i think , don't get like. daly i think, don't get the same level of abuse that women like me or martin navratilova. sharon davis get .

navratilova. sharon davis get. and i think this is a reflection that the trans movement actually is very misogynistic in many ways . ways. >> yeah. i mean, we've had numerous different examples as well. haven't we? there's been, uh, leah thomas, i think the swimmer in america who was a very average, in fact , by very average, in fact, by college swimming standards. actually quite a poor male swimmer who then was blowing all kinds of records and winning all kinds of records and winning all kinds of records and winning all kinds of things at college level in america. yeah, that especially i know that's not overtly grassroots sport, but thatis overtly grassroots sport, but that is where people will get things like scholarships or people who've trained all their lives. and i think you were interestingly talking in there about sucking the aspiration out of a lot of female athletes there. but we're going to have to leave it there just for now, mara. but i would just like to say you massively for say thank you massively for coming on. it's great speak coming on. it's great to speak to and hope to talk to you and i do hope to talk to you very, very soon to you and i do hope to talk to you unfortunately, on to you and i do hope to talk to you unfortunately, 0|don't because unfortunately, i don't

think going think this issue is going away any former british any time soon. as former british olympian yamauchi . olympian there, mara yamauchi. so of the so natalie washington of the lgbtq+ keep up these days inclusion group pride sports um called the policy exchange report pseudoscientific political propaganda, adding women in particular want to know that they can turn up and be included in sport, not have to participate in onerous and invasive sex testing to run around a park with their friends. i would just quite like to politely suggest that it doesn't take that much invasive or testing to or scientific testing to normally prove which one is a man and which one is a woman, but coming up, we will bring you a new message for a new year's message from star gb news signing and former prime minister boris johnson . so find minister boris johnson. so find out what this man has to say very shortly. but next, clean up on aisle four at portsmouth. tesco's . well, yeah , do that . tesco's. well, yeah, do that. yeah i'll show you the full shocking clip in a moment.

spoiler alert it wasn't the security guard that put a stop to that . plus there's the daily to that. plus there's the daily mail on its front mail reveals on its front page that give up on for that police give up on for crimes a minute has the uk given up on law order? is it now up on law and order? is it now just to defend and protect just on us to defend and protect ourselves? former met detective simon harding response to that outrageous very, very outrageous stat very, very shortly

welcome back. now as a tesco supermarket in portsmouth last night this happened . at night this happened. at. another . hey hey hey hey stop stop stop. well besides that mad brawl. what? myself and many others have noticed about that clip is that it's a member of the public. a bystander who was eventually the one to take forceful action. not security, not police . now, hampshire

not police. now, hampshire police have since confirmed that a 29 year old man has been arrested. but must we always rely on ourselves for protection? i'm sick and tired of seeing ordinary members of the public having to for stand up themselves. and okay, fair enough. up themselves. and okay, fair enough . maybe you should if push enough. maybe you should if push comes to shove, but isn't that what security guards are for ? what security guards are for? i've shops numerous i've been in shops numerous times when have times when things have kicked off have been stealing off or people have been stealing things the security guards things and the security guards just stand there on their phones. there, didn't phones. you saw it there, didn't you is it now you as well? yeah. is it now just up to us? we almost certainly know that the police aren't going if they do, aren't going to come if they do, they any time aren't going to come if they do, they why any time aren't going to come if they do, they why well, any time aren't going to come if they do, they why well, it any time aren't going to come if they do, they why well, it becomes,3 aren't going to come if they do, they why well, it becomes, as soon. why well, it becomes, as there was revelation today there was a revelation today that police giving up that police are giving up on four minute without four crimes per minute without catching so so catching the perpetrators. so so how do we take back control of our country? let's speak now to former met police senior detective simon harding. simon, thank you very, very much. and the public just have to protect themselves now, though , do you themselves now, though, do you know what i mean? >> we've spoken so many times,

haven't we, about this kind of thing in the statistics that are coming and it's, um, you coming out and it's, um, you know, saying things coming out and it's, um, you kno going saying things coming out and it's, um, you kno going to saying things coming out and it's, um, you kno going to change things coming out and it's, um, you knogoing to change quickly,ngs are going to change quickly, but they're , you know, not they're clearly, you know, not changing enough, really. changing quickly enough, really. but videos but and there's so many videos like the ones you've shown as well, where, you know, in fact, that's quite surprising that somebody else didn't intervene because somebody else didn't intervene bectto e somebody else didn't intervene bectto you know, shop staff or, left to you know, shop staff or, you like you say, a you know, and like you say, a number of security who , number of security guards who, who won't themselves in the who won't put themselves in the line because, know, line of fire because, you know, they're don't have they're not they don't have certain powers. they think they do. want to get do. they they don't want to get hurt. it's taking hurt. and so, yeah, it's taking people like that, that gentleman, to get involved , to gentleman, to get involved, to stop which is stop these things, which is, is thatis stop these things, which is, is that is that are now, though? >> seriously. i mean, is that is that if you see that what it is if you see something going on in the street, you should step in because job is street, you should step in be d01se job is street, you should step in be do that. job is street, you should step in bedo that. i'm job is street, you should step in bedo that. i'm not job is street, you should step in bedo that. i'm not just job is street, you should step in be do that. i'm not just talkingis to do that. i'm not just talking about police here, by the way. i mean guards, etc. mean security guards, etc. the people is to people whose actual job it is to step in and intervene in a situation are going to situation like that are going to be phone or backing be on their phone or backing off, all that stuff, and off, and all of that stuff, and it's just up to after it's just up to us to look after ourselves. really ? ourselves. is it really? >> mean, you can't speak >> well, i mean, you can't speak for that for everybody. it does that there security guards and

there are security guards up and down the country. there's people that of doors that work on the front of doors in do do in clubs and pubs who do do intervene in certain situations , intervene in certain situations, even inside, even when they're not inside, just members of the just to protect members of the public. you know, you public. but you know, when you look statistics, if you look at those statistics, if you strip all those crimes strip away all those crimes where there's forensics , no where there's no forensics, no witnesses, , it's the witnesses, no cctv, it's the other ones where there are leads where i think we're being let down now because, you know, even and experience of this in down now because, you know, even andlast experience of this in down now because, you know, even andlast coupleerience of this in down now because, you know, even andlast couple of�*nce of this in down now because, you know, even andlast couple of days»f this in the last couple of days reporting an attempted robbery on somebody else. and on behalf of somebody else. and because . i didn't answer my because. i didn't answer my phone back to the police, they closed the crime straight away. even though that it said there is for places which capture is cctv for places which capture the incident. people the whole incident. people had their off, you can see their hoods off, you can see them. and now, is how them. and now, if that is how quick close it . now i quick you are to close it. now i don't swing the lamp very don't swing the blue lamp very often, when you often, but before when you have these dedicated squads these dedicated robbery squads or burglary squads, or dedicated burglary squads, all people you know, we all these people you know, we would that and we would see would take that and we would see how could go with how far we could go with it. look that cctv, identify that look at that cctv, identify that person , send to the media person, send it out to the media to do you know locally to say, do you know locally who this that kind of thing this is? and that kind of thing seems almost died into

seems to have almost died into the point. well, if there's if you can't supply the evidence yourself then we're yourself as a victim, then we're we're going pursue yourself as a victim, then we're was, going pursue yourself as a victim, then we're w> yeah. and that feeds through though to public and though down to the public and crucially, criminals as well crucially, the criminals as well simon it. i mean, simon doesn't it. i mean, i do think criminally think people who are criminally minded have stopped caring minded have have stopped caring that much about getting caught. now there does appear to be a lot more brazen crime taking place out there. and you know, you can understand why that mindset in criminal mindset sets in like a criminal cancer doesn't because if it cancer doesn't it? because if it is to you to provide cctv of is up to you to provide cctv of your own accord and answer your phone at exactly the right time, you know there is somebody there who, by the sounds of it, has just tried to do a robbery. who now away with now will probably get away with that. absolutely. that. yeah absolutely. >> and i think, you know , if you >> and i think, you know, if you stand on your soapbox as i do quite often when talking quite often when i'm talking about things, you about these sort of things, you know, you can talk about discipline into the discipline going back into the home into schools, home and even back into schools, how, know, discipline how, you know, the discipline at schools has gone, you know, almost . i went into almost completely. i went into schools did of talks schools and did a lot of talks before i retired around. you know, knives and all

know, carrying knives and all sorts you and things sorts of, you know, and things about mentality and about group mentality and getting about if you are getting caught about if you are just part the group, you're just part of the group, you're as else, as guilty as somebody else, all that thing. people that kind of thing. and people were do what they were allowed to do what they wanted the class and they wanted in the class and they could get they walk could get up, they could walk out, whatever they out, they could do whatever they wanted know? and i wanted to do. you know? and if i said, you listen said, sit down, you know, listen to saying. you know, said, sit down, you know, listen to was saying. you know, said, sit down, you know, listen to was thereing. you know, said, sit down, you know, listen to was there were ou know, said, sit down, you know, listen to was there were problems. there was there were problems. and really it and it's because really it starts there. and if you if starts from there. and if you if you take of mentality starts from there. and if you if you of ke of mentality starts from there. and if you if you of ke out mentality starts from there. and if you if you of ke out ofentality starts from there. and if you if you of ke out of school' out of home and out of school and then you're released into the public, then the police officer around means officer walking around means nothing that nothing to you because that authority isn't ingrained within you that that you already. you know that that kind of respect and authority is disappearing. and think disappearing. and i think that's one biggest problems that one of the biggest problems that we yeah. i feel very sorry >> yeah. and i feel very sorry for the police, genuinely. i know that that surprise know that that might surprise people sometimes people because you do sometimes give a kicking, give them a bit of a kicking, but it i we need more of them. we do need more of them. i would be inclined to, to pay them a bit as well, because bit more as well, because i think they do. you know, a really, really messy job at times. but i think you've hit the on the head when it the nail on the head when it comes to where a lot of this

stuff later stuff starts. and later on in the show, going be the show, we're going to be having about whether or having a debate about whether or not parents leave to, not crap parents leave lead to, you know, frankly, bad kids. and i there's logic there. i think there's a logic there. you look going in you look at what's going on in schools. quarter of schools. we've got quarter of a million under off long million under 35 off on long terms sick. now, sympathetic terms sick. now, i'm sympathetic to who are genuinely to people who are genuinely sick. you're sick. there's no way you're telling me that a quarter of a million 35 moment, million under 35 at the moment, in this country are genuinely off on long terms, sick. it does start home. think simon. start at home. i think simon. >> yeah, i think i think you do see that. i mean, you know, it's um, i'm not saying that it's every home. of course, can't every home. of course, we can't say people say that because we know people that they just that are different and they just have that mentality. but you know, that that form of discipline, have to discipline, it doesn't have to be discipline. like be dickensian discipline. like we, be dickensian discipline. like w9, , be dickensian discipline. like we, , like we to we, you know, like we used to have at school. but have when i was at school. but you there has to be that you know, there has to be that kind of respect and authority. so it's very, very difficult at the moment. it's difficult so it's very, very difficult at the cops, ent. it's difficult so it's very, very difficult at the cops, isn't it's difficult so it's very, very difficult at the cops, isn't it? it's difficult for cops, isn't it? >> we'll leave it there. simon. thank you very much, simon harding. there former met police senior coming up, we senior detective. coming up, we dig as it dig into the blair files as it emerges former prime emerges that former prime minister to minister tony blair wanted to send to the isle send asylum seekers to the isle of mull. that sounds like a lee

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evening . i'm sophia wenzler in evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . i'm three men the gb newsroom. i'm three men who died after a 4x4 vehicle was swept away as they tried to cross a river in yorkshire. have been named by the police. scott thomas , daddy leslie forbes and thomas, daddy leslie forbes and kenneth patrick hibbins were found dead inside the vehicle after it became submerged in a river esk near glaisdale . police river esk near glaisdale. police say the tragic incident was caused by hazardous weather conditions that had badly affected the roads in the surrounding area . nato is surrounding area. nato is monitoring the situation as poland says a russian missile likely entered its airspace, according to the head of the poush according to the head of the polish armed forces. both poland and nato's radar systems spotted and nato's radar systems spotted an unidentified aerial object over the country's territory. nato secretary general jens stoltenberg says the military alliance stands in solidarity with poland, and that it remains vigilant. it's understood groups of soldiers are performing on the ground verification of the missiles flight path . and here missiles flight path. and here

in the uk, the government has promised to send around 200 air defence missiles to ukraine after russia launched a massive air attack overnight, officials say 31 civilians have been killed and at least 120 injured following a series of attacks on critical infrastructure and military facilities . one person military facilities. one person has died in scotland following an outbreak of e coli . it's an outbreak of e coli. it's after the uk health secretary agency confirmed it's currently investigating 30 cases across england and scotland to identify any potential links to a brand of cheese . the food standards of cheese. the food standards agency has announced a precautionary recall of four products from mrs. kirkham's lancashire cheese because of possible e coli contamination in the family of a man who was killed while trying to save a stranger in sheffield, says the tragic circumstances show the sort of man that he was. chris marriott went to the aid of an unconscious woman when he was hit by a car , which ploughed hit by a car, which ploughed into a crowd of people on wednesday life wednesday. she's in a life threatening condition in

hospital, a 23 year old man is arrested on suspicion of murder and attempted murder and remains in custody while a 55 year old has been released on bail . a has been released on bail. a british woman and her son have died after an avalanche swept through the french alps. the 54 year old, in her 22 year old son, was skiing with family on mont blanc when the disaster occurred, a search and rescue mission involving around 20 emergency workers lasted five hours. authorities say. another person, believed to be an instructor, escaped with minor injuries , and maine has become injuries, and maine has become the second us state to block donald trump from running as a candidate in the next year's general election . presidential general election. presidential election officials say the move is because of trump's involvement in inciting riots, when his supporters stormed the us capitol in january 2021. colorado reached a similar conclusion nine days ago, although california has announced he'll remain on its ballot. donald trump's team has described the decision as

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suzanne evans, former bbc chief political correspondent john sergeant and the journalist michael walker . sergeant and the journalist michael walker. i mean, sergeant and the journalist michael walker . i mean, suzanne, michael walker. i mean, suzanne, we have to start with that. >> gosh, that was deep, wasn't it? >> yeah, it was so deep i wouldn't know where to start. no, no, indeed. shall we move on? the immortal public row over personal responsible party has reared its head again. this time through the medium of bury north tory mp james daly, who i told the i newspaper that most troubled children is local care, are the products of crap parents. well, daly was arguing that left wing solutions to many social problems is to throw money at them and hope for the best, whereas actually poor parenting and lack of family stability, in his view, is a huge factor in these issues. he's since received massive backlash , but he was right. was backlash, but he was right. was he to raise this issue? do today's parents take enough responsibility for their own kids behaviour ? michael crap kids behaviour? michael crap parents lead to crap kids. no. >> uh , well, i mean, obviously >> uh, well, i mean, obviously parenting has a massive effect on kids behaviour and how they

grow up. >> i suppose the question for me here. so there's this big debate, isn't it? is it the parents? is society ? it's parents? is it society? it's a bit both. obviously bit of both. obviously >> and think the question for >> and i think the question for politicians you politicians is what can you change? politicians is what can you change’:know, can't magically >> you know, we can't magically wave a wand and suddenly parents become so you can have become better. so you can have these of policies you these sort of policies where you send people parenting school, send people to parenting school, which just which i think is always just seems bit of a gimmick or seems a bit of a gimmick or you can set a society can try and set up a society which children as which makes raising children as easy can make it. right. easy as we can make it. right. so obviously we can't control how how a parent someone how how good a parent someone is. but we can make it easier to not have to struggle to pay the rent not live in damp rent or to not live in damp housing, have decent housing, or to have decent childcare and a decent school for that kid to go to . so yes, for that kid to go to. so yes, it's a truism of course, parenting massive parenting makes a massive difference , but politician difference, but a politician should really be talking about what politics can do. >> mm mm . >> mm mm. >> mm mm. >> john, i agree with a good deal of that. it's i mean, the key thing is he's saying most children struggle well are children who struggle well are the of crap parents. the products of crap parents. that's not it. well that's unfair . most who struggle. wait unfair. most who struggle. wait a moment. the who

a moment. the people who are struggling, children are struggling, the children who are struggling, the children who are struggling, may be mentally struggling, they may be mentally ill. may have was talking about. >> wait a moment. i'm going to come in to bat for him a bit here. but that is quote in here. but that is the quote in his right in his his constituency, right in his constituency. so he probably knows them better than you know. >> i think >> but wait a moment. no i think i know bit about the english i know a bit about the english language. sure does. language. i'm not sure he does. most who struggle in most children who struggle in his the products his town are the products of crap bad use of word crap parents, bad use of word crap, bad use of word parents. but i mean this most people you can't. can't change that. can't. you can't change that. it's what he said. most it's what he just said. most children struggle. so that's children who struggle. so that's the peculiar way of looking the most peculiar way of looking at his constituency. you at his constituency. and you look at the who are look at all the people who are struggling in one way or another, maybe another, because maybe they've lost they've lost their jobs, maybe they've done maybe done done this, maybe they've done that, maybe they've had, or maybe get into kansas maybe they get stuck into kansas special at in the special brew at 9:00 in the morning and all the money morning and spend all the money on fags and their on roll up and fags and their kids , so most so most kids are feral, so most so most of that, are of them are doing that, are they? on a moment. the they? no. hold on a moment. the most means more than 50. roughly okay. number okay. that is an enormous number of people. he's talking about most people who struggle lots of people struggle for a whole

variety of reasons. and i suppose i mean, i it's not really relevant, but my parents separated when i was a teenager, so i know a little bit about, okay, so your parents were it was you didn't have stability at home. but hold on a moment. lots of other factors were involved. that's what he's saying. >> he's saying overtly crap parents. and i don't think it's that controversial, suzanne, to say parents do lead to say crap parents do lead to potentially. yeah but kids know. >> some do. sure some do. absolutely. but most it i think the problem we've got here, i think what james was doing was raising an issue that i think is very important that not enough people unfortunate . people talk about unfortunate. >> think delivery of his >> i think his delivery of his message was wrong. i don't think he have used that c word. he should have used that c word. i think was the right i think it was the right message. delivery people message. wrong delivery people never idiot never talk about this. any idiot can have a child. and frankly, a lot idiots do. there are lots lot of idiots do. there are lots of people there. we know who should anywhere should never be allowed anywhere near being near a child, let alone being able one. there is no no able to have one. there is no no checks and balances to having

children i say, anyone can children like i say, anyone can do training , children like i say, anyone can do training, nothing. do it with no training, nothing. we're not taught parenthood in schools, school . you schools, skills at school. you just have a child and most of us, you know, just battle along and do the the best we can and do the do the best we can and do the do the best we can and it doesn't work. but i think there issue also that there is an issue also is that there is an issue also is that there lots of social there have been lots of social moves giving children moves towards giving children a lot more freedom at a much earlier age, and i don't think that's good. i think kids need boundaries. they need, you know, proper bedtimes. i was sat at midnight mass , um, just a few midnight mass, um, just a few days ago, and there was a child that screamed through the entire service. was a baby service. now, what was a baby doing midnight mass? it doing at midnight mass? it should have been bad parenting . should have been bad parenting. >> or you meet you meet these kids in the supermarket and the parents are shouting at them . parents are shouting at them. yeah. and you think, what this kid barely speak , let alone kid can barely speak, let alone have the parents say, i've told you once, i've told you again, and you think, what on earth is that? that's parenting. and you think, what on earth is tha there that's parenting. and you think, what on earth is tha there are it's parenting. and you think, what on earth is tha there are some parenting. and you think, what on earth is tha there are some people ting. and you think, what on earth is tha there are some people that >> there are some people that shouldn'tthough. don't. you >> rare, though. you don't. you don't often. that. don't see that very often. that. >> michael, think there >> look, michael, i think there is a at the moment for

is a push at the moment for a lot parents as well to kind is a push at the moment for a lotblame ents as well to kind is a push at the moment for a lotblame everything l to kind is a push at the moment for a lotblame everything else. ind is a push at the moment for a lotblame everything else. oh, of blame everything else. oh, he's got adhd, he's got adhd right ? he he's got adhd, he's got adhd right? he might he's got adhd, he's got adhd right ? he might actually just be right? he might actually just be quite naughty , you know, or you quite naughty, you know, or you know, oh, look at this. you know, oh, look at this. you know, are we going know, oh, what are we going to do him? what's the school do with him? what's the school like? school? my like? isn't this the school? my kids school kids come home from school and he's you the he's like, what you are the parent. you're parent. you know, you're supposed dressed, supposed to get them dressed, feed do whatever feed them properly. do whatever you can. i just don't wonder if we're bit. you can. i just don't wonder if we'well, bit. you can. i just don't wonder if we'well, mean, bit. you can. i just don't wonder if we'well, mean, potentially , i >> well, i mean, potentially, i suppose the question here again is the for politician? >> is the role for a politician to lecture their constituents? and i mean, do agree you and i mean, i do agree with you saying children saying that most children who are result of are struggling, the result of crap parents, that is a very specific to say, just specific thing to say, not just because word crap, because he's used the word crap, but because sort of but because he is sort of disparaging of kids disparaging the majority of kids who i think who are struggling. and i think everyone good everyone will know very good parents who have kids who are struggling for one reason or another. it's do another. right? so it's how do you help people become better parents? because as you say , you parents? because as you say, you know, we can't know, you've said we can't legislate has kids, legislate for who has kids, right? very right? that would be a very grim society and place we society and a grim place we would going so we've got would be going to. so we've got to the society to deal with the society in which what which we live and see what politics do, but politics can and can't do, but

also politics of bringing up also the politics of bringing up children involves not just the parents, but involves the schools. >> it involves the police . it >> it involves the police. it involves, know, but it's involves, you know, but it's not. these aren't excuses. these are describe the world we are just describe the world we live in. the key thing for parents, of course, is to love their children. now, most parents, if not all parents, do love their children. >> well, they might they might love job, they might love their job, but they might love their job, but they might love all too often love them. but all too often when i see, i see 14 year old forcing year olds forcing these 14 year olds stamped london, 14 stamped to death in london, 14 year stamped to in year old stamped to death in birmingham, year old stamped to death in birmingoh,n, year old stamped to death in birmingoh, they were out at doing? oh, they were out at 11:00 at night riding round on a moped, dealing drugs . where are moped, dealing drugs. where are the parents? >> absolutely right. i totally agree. are so many agree. and there are so many parents there who are parents out there who are themselves feral, don't know how to up children , and to bring up children, and actually we need to start tackling it and that is a job for politicians. also a job for politicians. it's also a job for politicians. it's also a job for police. for the police. >> what does that mean though? what like? what would that look like? what's proposal? very a kind state, >> very much a kind of state, hands person. think hands off person. i don't think the state get involved. the state should get involved. and state is and i think the state is involved too of involved in far too much of our lives is. when it

lives as it is. but when it comes to something like this, when you a society is when you have a society that is emerging thing where children just, just, just are allowed to run right in a way that they weren't, i think it's also important to mention, you know, very few kids that were feral kids allowed kids when i was allowed to run, when i went to an there is a danger we of danger that we sort of talk about if it's going about the world as if it's going to handcart. to hell in a handcart. >> down, crime >> crime is down, violent crime is down. you know, kids are actually drinking way less than is down. you know, kids are actutusedrinking way less than is down. you know, kids are actutusedrinkirdon'tl less than is down. you know, kids are actutused rinkirdon't think than they used to. i don't think we do have huge do actually have this huge generation of feral kids. kids are of okay. a lot of are doing kind of okay. a lot of them depressed. but them are quite depressed. but that's because that's not necessarily because of , social media of bad parenting, social media or oh, they'll shut the or just, oh, they'll shut the youth or just, oh, they'll shut the youyou know, many youth >> you know, how many youth difference, how many youth centres were there? >> there were lot >> i mean, there were a lot of youth they got youth centres. i mean, they got cut by 70. >> and now you honestly, >> and now do you honestly, really seriously think, though, that youth centre that if there was a youth centre with table and with a pool table and a basketball that kids with a pool table and a basket not that kids with a pool table and a basket not be that kids with a pool table and a basketnot be out that kids with a pool table and a basketnot be out dealings would not be out dealing drugs and other? would not be out dealing drugs ancwell, other? would not be out dealing drugs ancwell, i other? would not be out dealing drugs ancwell, i think other? would not be out dealing drugs ancwell, i think it other? would not be out dealing drugs ancwell, i think it would difference. >> oh, come on, we never had that. up in the that. i grew up in the countryside. we didn't have such that. i grew up in the countnasie. we didn't have such that. i grew up in the countnas youth. didn't have such that. i grew up in the cou no,as youth. didn't have such that. i grew up in the cou no, we outh. didn't have such that. i grew up in the cou no, we didn'tiidn't have such that. i grew up in the cou no, we didn't do 't have such that. i grew up in the cou no, we didn't do as1ave such that. i grew up in the cou no, we didn't do as wee such that. i grew up in the cou no, we didn't do as we ran:h >> no, we didn't do as we ran all over. i was brought up in the and the countryside drinking and taking were to taking drugs. we were allowed to rush out of the door. that's

what see us for what parents didn't see us for ages. that's true. >> it's a denial either. >> it's not a denial either. there so. no. right. look >> it's not a denial either. therelook. so. no. right. look >> it's not a denial either. there look. okay, no. right. look >> it's not a denial either. therelook. okay, ”0. right. look >> it's not a denial either. there look. okay, i skirtedt. look >> it's not a denial either. there look. okay, i skirted over>k look, look. okay, i skirted over this a little bit on. this a little bit earlier on. we're just remind we're just going to remind ourselves need ourselves because we need a reminder. obviously of what bofis reminder. obviously of what boris will boris johnson, the man who will be joining this channel next yean be joining this channel next year, it little year year, had. is it little new year message for you. so let's let's take . take it away. >> folks, to be 24 is almost >> hey folks, to be 24 is almost upon us. so let's hope for the next 12 months are a great year for our country and a great year for our country and a great year for the up start insurgent dynamic news channel that is gb news >> so boris johnson there trying to deliver a message of optimism about 2024 being a good year for the country ahead. suzanne, do you agree with that? >> i'm really looking forward to him being on news. i have to him being on gb news. i have to say can't i he's say i can't wait. i think he's going to be a brilliant contributor. >> he's lost weight, hasn't he? he's just made me laugh >> you just made me laugh because you said trying trying to deliver, trying to deliver a message i don't message of optimism. i don't know much you guys are know how much you guys are paying know how much you guys are paying but not sure paying him, but i'm not sure you're getting money's worth. >> w- w“ >> i will be honest. i would

have more from have liked a bit more from boris. but, save boris. there um, but, hey, save his best for when he's on gb news in the next year. i'm sure . news in the next year. i'm sure. and we can't wait. so he's , uh. and we can't wait. so he's, uh. but what you can't deny is that he's, uh. he's lost a bit of timber. michael mhm. >> he looks like he's lost some hair as mp maybe like you worry . hair as mp maybe like you worry. >> well i think he wrote an article he article about this. um where he from he said that he was from memory. he said that he was on it for bit. then it made on it for a bit. then it made him bit sick and he's come him a bit sick and he's come off. so maybe he's done it the him a bit sick and he's come off. fashioned he's done it the him a bit sick and he's come off. fashioned way. done it theis old fashioned way. i mean he is always jogging, he? always jogging, isn't he? >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> cycling quite >> jogging. cycling he's quite active, really. um i never thought he was that fat. everyone boris everyone says, oh, boris johnson. think was. everyone says, oh, boris j> all right. you know, get him, get him! >> this all right. you know, get him, get him! >> this guy'sl right. you know, get him, get him! >> this guy's too ht. you know, get him, get him! >> this guy's too thin. far too thin, man. but, but there we thin, man. but, uh. but there we go. well, look. yes, boris johnson the channel johnson will be on the channel in exposing quite in the next year, exposing quite a him. a bit of him. >> going be doing a lot >> he's going to be doing a lot for our, uh, election coverage both we're both here and stateside. we're also getting

also going to be getting a couple specials him. couple of specials from him. we hope, britain hope, anyway, about britain abroad and, global britain. abroad and, uh, global britain. so that could be quite interesting. so thank very, interesting. so thank you very, very an very much, boris, for giving an optimistic about not optimistic message about not just this country, but also this channelin just this country, but also this channel in the ahead. channel in the year ahead. coming up, you've heard who my panel new panel want to see on the new year's list. we year's honours list. no we haven't. want on the haven't. who do you want on the new honours um new year's honours list? sam? um well, professor well, i'd like to see professor carol sikora, oncologist , carol sikora, great oncologist, one of the very few people to raise questions about cancer treatment lockdowns . treatment during lockdowns. >> think very brave to >> and i think very brave to speak i think speak out. so i think he'd be a good nominee. okay. >> doing this because in >> we're doing this because in about we're about 15 minutes time, we're going the new year's going live with the new year's honours list. it's being revealed john, who revealed quickly. john, who would you on it? here. here. >> age for david attenborough. here. >> .uh, for david attenborough. here. >> .uh, peerage! attenborough. here. >> .uh, peerage fortenborough. here. >> .uh, peerage for simon)ugh. here. >> .uh, peerage for simon schama. um uh, peerage for simon schama. the couple. the historian. ian couple. they're of them knighted, they're both of them knighted, but not sir david attenborough. and sorts of and then there are all sorts of what is it? >> yeah, he's already got three, sir. >> yeah, he's a sir. but you make him a peerage. >> yeah, he's a sir. but you ma right. a peerage. >> yeah, he's a sir. but you ma right. okay.rage. >> yeah, he's a sir. but you ma that's okay.rage. >> yeah, he's a sir. but you ma that's akayurage. >> yeah, he's a sir. but you ma that's a lord.age. >> yeah, he's a sir. but you ma that's a lord. right >> that's a lord. right >> that's a lord. right >> more that guy i want, you >> more of that guy i want, you know. so. >> no, but hold on a moment. i >> no, but i hold on a moment. i mean, what do in the mean, that's what you do in the honours move people up honours list. you move people up from higher than a lord,

>> sir is higher than a lord, isn't sir? >> sir is higher than a lord, isn'it's sir? >> sir is higher than a lord, isn'it's air? >> sir is higher than a lord, isn'it's a perfectly reasonable >> it's a perfectly reasonable suggestion, michael. >> i'm going. i'm like suzanne %—a >> i'm going like suzanne with a professor. professor? ghassan abu—sitta. one of the abu—sitta. so he was one of the british doctors worked in british doctors who worked in the for days. the gazan hospitals for 43 days. he in two of the he was there and in two of the famous that attacked. famous ones that were attacked. >> okay. famous ones that were attacked. >> well, okay. famous ones that were attacked. >> well, look. �*kay. famous ones that were attacked. >> well, look. thank very, >> well, look. thank you very, very yes. shortly very much for that. yes. shortly we revealing new we will be revealing the new year's for year's honours list. and for what truss's what it's worth, liz truss's resignation as resignation honours list as well. incredible well. there are some incredible names i'll

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britain's news channel. >> okay . hey, welcome back >> okay. hey, welcome back everybody. now tony blair has given his labour party a political headache as explosive documents from 2003 revealed that the then prime minister was getting increasingly tense over the number of asylum seekers entering britain amongst a number of radical proposals presented to blair was the idea of sending failed applicants to a third country safe havens? >> does that remind you of anywhere like rwanda, for example , or maybe the scottish example, or maybe the scottish isle of mull ? example, or maybe the scottish isle of mull? sound familiar? yes. well today, however, the labour party are doing everything possible to kill the rwanda plan. but does this new information, in fact suggest that it's now time for keir starmer and his cohort to give the plan? cross party the rwanda plan? cross party support and solve this migrant crisis once and for all. to battle this out, i am joined now by former conservative mep and firebrand brexiteer david campbell—bannerman and the former labour adviser mike buckley. shapps thank you very much. and david, i'll start with

you. do you think now that this shows that labour has to get behind it, they can see it's probably the right thing. they're signalling . they're virtue signalling. >> thought what blair >> well, i thought what blair actually said was rather good. uh, and, and it's the same thing as rwanda in the sense that he wanted a strong disincentive. i mean , actually, it reports that mean, actually, it reports that they thought they'd lose the court case at echr. uh, 2 to 3 years later . court case at echr. uh, 2 to 3 years later. but in the meantime, there was a strong disincentive to people coming to britain. and uh, as as blair actually said, just return them, he said. so i think he's shown up. starmer uh, with his policy. but it's very similar. and, you know , kenya has mentioned and know, kenya has mentioned and uh, south africa for, uh, you know , more african origin , uh, know, more african origin, uh, um, uh, asylum seekers. so, um, you know, yes, i do think starmer should toughen up because he's been shown up by blair. >> okay. mike come back to that then. >> uh, well, i think the key

point on this is that blair considered this and then swiftly rejected it as an unworkable policy, partly in terms of how it would the echr and it would impact on the echr and the of the scheme, as the morality of the scheme, as well just the fact well, but also just in the fact on that it would be on the grounds that it would be unworkable, would conflict on the grounds that it would be unwctheole, would conflict on the grounds that it would be unwcthe echr would conflict with the echr would conflict with international law, and it wouldn't issue, wouldn't solve the asylum issue, and instead , the labour and instead, the labour government on dealt government went on and dealt with its own way. with things in its own way. >> but to come back to rwanda, and probably had and i think we've probably had this we're policy even if >> so we're under policy even if the government got its own way, which to be incredibly which seems to be incredibly unlikely to with courts, unlikely to do with the courts, given given the given the echr and given the refugee but refugee convention but it wouldn't boats . wouldn't stop the small boats. the small boats will continue to come . problem the come. the problem with the asylum is the asylum system in the uk is the fact that the government refused to process and refused to to process claims and refused to process arrivals, right, okay. uh , david, do you want to >> uh, david, do you want to come back to that? >> well uh, labour talk >> yeah. well uh, labour talk a lot about process. yes. i've been saying this recently. um, it's not just process . it is it's not just process. it is about providing a great disincentive . i mean, this this disincentive. i mean, this this memo is called the nuclear option. yes uh, the big bang

solution , it was called as well. solution, it was called as well. um yeah. it was a way of actually sending very powerful message as rwanda is in many ways. i mean, we don't want to be sending tens of thousands to rwanda . but frankly, once you rwanda. but frankly, once you send the message, once you send enough , uh, you know, a few enough, uh, you know, a few hundred thousand whatever, then everyone gets the point. everyone else gets the point. >> the thing is, though, that i wonder, mike, is that, you know, when lee anderson when people like lee anderson come sending come on and suggest sending something to the shetland islands like that, islands or someone like that, or, know, the tories , uh, or or, you know, the tories, uh, or the orkney islands, indeed. sorry the sorry to the people of the shetland islands, who will be concerned have out that concerned to have found out that lee anderson wanted inundate lee anderson wanted to inundate you immigrants. but you with illegal immigrants. but there orkneys . and there we go. the orkneys. and there's pushback , huge there's a lot of pushback, huge amounts of pushback, massive pushback. the rwanda plan, obviously huge pushback despite the fact that, again, it was something initially tony something that initially tony blair actually floating blair was actually floating the idea of un it. several of idea of the un do it. several of the countries are seriously considering i just wonder, considering it. i just wonder, though, whether or not though, mike, whether or not it's one rule for labour when it comes radical policies and comes to radical policies and another rule for the tories,

another rule for the tories, another non—immigration in one, by way, will be potentially by the way, will be potentially what streeting is thinking what wes streeting is thinking about if about doing to the nhs. if a tory idea, they tory floated that idea, they get crucified did. crucified, which i did. >> you mean on that on the nhs? well the fact that he says that it needs radical reform and he's possibly leaving the door open to privatisation of some parts of does need of it, i think it does need radical think radical reform. i don't think he's to he's opening the door to privatise eamonn nhs. privatise eamonn of the nhs. i think what he is saying is that he will what private he will use what private facility are available in the country, while we clear the massive backlog which was built up 14 years under up over the last 14 years under a government that's a conservative government that's consistently , consistently failed to write, you could call that. >> you could with respect, mike, you could that you you could call that what you want. lot of people want. i think a lot of people will that leaves the will think that that leaves the door open privatising. door open to privatising. but anyway, carry on. my question was, labour get anyway, carry on. my question was, with labour get anyway, carry on. my question was, with kind labour get anyway, carry on. my question was, with kind of labour get anyway, carry on. my question was, with kind of stuff|r get anyway, carry on. my question was, with kind of stuff injet away with this kind of stuff in away with this kind of stuff in a that tories can't? a way that the tories can't? >> don't i mean let's >> no, i don't and i mean let's go this. um, you know, go back to this. um, you know, tony blair thing. so the national archives been have national archives have been have been there's national archives have been have been story there's national archives have been have been story thatcherhere's national archives have been have been story thatcher and s been a story on thatcher and spycatcher her releasing spycatcher and her releasing information has been this story on blair. but think the key on blair. but i think the key point is this point on this is this is a policy blair considered. point on this is this is a poli

and also as a as a policy that wouldn't, in fact , have solved and also as a as a policy that w0lasylum| fact , have solved and also as a as a policy that w0lasylum issue. have solved and also as a as a policy that w0lasylum issue. so ve solved and also as a as a policy that w0lasylum issue. so vethinked the asylum issue. so i think that's on that. that's the main point on that. and don't and therefore labour don't really have a, you know, really have a, have a, you know, a to answer a story to answer or an accusation answer on that accusation to answer on that score. and you'll have heard what on what keir starmer said on the unworkability rwanda and his unworkability of rwanda and his own solve the asylum own plans to solve the asylum issue the but in terms of issue in the uk. but in terms of judging the labour and judging the i think the conservative party i think often conservative often the conservative party get an quite an easier ride, to be quite honest but you would honest with you, but you would expect that. but expect me to say that. but i think get think once labour get into power, we expect power, which we expect will happenin power, which we expect will happen in the next then happen in the next year, then i think you and i will be think you and i will then be judging labour on its on its track yeah track record. yeah >> no david do you think >> no we will david do you think that the labour do have a question to answer when it comes to this kind of stuff? i mean, if they considering radical if they were considering radical action blair in action back then under blair in 2003. be honest , we 2003. look, let's be honest, we haven't any radical action haven't had any radical action on are where we are. on it. and we are where we are. is proof something is it just proof that something like done if like that needs to be done if we're cut down on we're going to cut down on illegal immigration, then yes. >> i mean, i'd, i'd like to ask mike, you know, how are you going to stop the boats? because mike, you know, how are you goi i'mo stop the boats? because mike, you know, how are you goi i'm hearing1e boats? because mike, you know, how are you goi i'm hearing is boats? because mike, you know, how are you goi i'm hearing is you're because mike, you know, how are you goi i'm hearing is you're going|se all i'm hearing is you're going to offshore asylum processing, you know, abroad . i mean, that

you know, abroad. i mean, that might help a bit, but i mean , it might help a bit, but i mean, it doesn't actually provide the disincentive, which is at the core of what blair was. this memo that blair was sent. and it's a core of the rwanda thing. so how are you going to stop the boats, mike? >> mean, i think the key thing >> i mean, i think the key thing with people are with asylum is people are increasingly seeking asylum in safe countries because of war, because of conflict, because of climate change. but we know even if you take the other two factors out of the equation, even if you only consider climate change, the that climate change, the fact that large planet are large parts of the planet are going unliveable, large parts of the planet are going are unliveable, large parts of the planet are going are lbe veable, large parts of the planet are going are lbe scarce there are going to be scarce water food water resources, scarce food sources decades. the sources in coming decades. the rest world needs to take rest of the world needs to take account the fact that these account of the fact that these numbers increase. numbers are going to increase. we're have to come we're going to have to come together going we're going to have to come togetheito going we're going to have to come togetheito come going we're going to have to come togetheito come come going we're going to have to come togetheito come come together we're going to have to come togwestern:ome come together we're going to have to come togwestern countries,yme together we're going to have to come togwestern countries, which jether as western countries, which are deemed to be less susceptive to climate change, at least in the short to medium, medium, firm and work out what are we going to do with these increasing numbers of people? they can't all to uk, they can't numbers of people? they can't all come to uk, they can't numbers of people? they can't all come to europe, they can't all come to europe, they can't all to the us either. so what

all go to the us either. so what are do? we're going are we going to do? we're going to need an international system that don't that to need an international system thatcurrent don't that to need an international system thatcurrent system that to need an international system thatcurrent system have it the current system we have is going the going to be sustainable for the next 50 years. some next 20, 30, 50 years. so some different decisions are going to have to made. but they need have to be made. but they need to i'm sorry, but the, the isle >> i'm sorry, but the, the isle of i mean i'm really not against using the isle of mull or other places like well why not? i mean, is there. mean , why mean, it is there. i mean, why should it be, why should it be in parts of the uk that in other parts of the uk that have to suffer? you know, the snp lows, snp by the way, bang on lows, don't being a place don't they, about being a place of everyone. you of refuge for everyone. you know, the of migrant know, the number of migrant hotels absolutely hotels in scotland is absolutely minimal. they take migrant minimal. they take fewer migrant hotels part of hotels than any other part of the uk. you know why should it just be people living in big cities you know, cities or people in, you know, rural england, that take rural england, etc. that take these people ? i mean, david, you these people? i mean, david, you know, at know, should we be looking at the ? the isle of mull? >> well why not? i mean, obviously the islanders there will have their issues with it as is elsewhere. the uh, blair was looking at the falkland islands as well, actually, and all of these things are disincentive lives. it's like, well, we want the cushy life in

britain and you end up on an island, whether that be the falkland islands or mull. uh, actually, is quite a sobering realisation in that it's not as easy as you thought. and that message gets back and they again talked in the memo about sending a strong message. and rwanda sends a strong message. it's about creating disincentives , about creating disincentives, okay. otherwise more people will die on the on the waves. unfortunately >> all right, chaps, thank you very, very much. both of you. i will talk to you again. will talk to you both again. very soon. conservative mep david bannerman and the david campbell bannerman and the former labour adviser mike buckley you. coming buckley. thank you. now coming up, you the very up, we will bring you the very first front pages as i tackle tomorrow's news stories tonight with press pack. but who has with my press pack. but who has made it onto the new year's honours list? well, the results are in. be revealing all are in. i'll be revealing all the and dames when we the sirs and the dames when we return . and, um. yeah, a couple return. and, um. yeah, a couple of very surprising names on there. stay tuned

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the police put a helicopter in the police put a helicopter in the air quickly, is the air very quickly, which is more they do you the air very quickly, which is moryi. they do you the air very quickly, which is moryi. isn'tthey do you the air very quickly, which is moryi. isn't it?y do you the air very quickly, which is moryi. isn't it? but do you the air very quickly, which is moryi. isn't it? but the do you the air very quickly, which is moryi. isn't it? but the daily you and i. isn't it? but the daily mail, the most poignant honours of all heartbroken parents fighting bravely to win justice for the daughters they lost, given awards in the new year's honours list, the mail focusing on think fair to say the on i think it's fair to say the most honourable aspect of this honours list, which we're going to go into more detail on now. parents who turned the anguish of losing their daughters into campaigns for justice take pride in laws. sorry, new in the new laws. sorry, new year's honours list. uh, diana parks said it was bittersweet to be made a cbe for her tireless work since daughterjoanna work since daughter joanna simpson was killed by an abusive ex partner. and of course, as well, there is, uh , ian russell, well, there is, uh, ian russell, who said that his 14 year old daughter molly will be very proud of her legacy. he was handed an mbe for a campaign , handed an mbe for a campaign, um, to in the wake of her suicide . um, um, to in the wake of her suicide. um, i'm going to bring my panel in now and we'll run through some of the other names on this honours list. i'm joined by political suzanne

by political commentator suzanne evans. bbc evans. we've got former bbc chief political correspondent john and journalist john sergeant ant and journalist mike walker. i feel like we should run through some of the other names on this honours list. sajid javid gets list. right so sajid javid gets a knighthood in politics. former chancellor, former home secretary has been knighted . uh, secretary has been knighted. uh, i'll keep running and then we'll pick them apart. michael eavis is getting a knighthood now. this guy founded glastonbury, okay. knighted for services to music and charity. i think he's quite a big corbynista as well. from memory, i'm quite surprised he's it. he's taken it. >> put him he him on >> you put him on, he put him on stage, a very famous stage, didn't he? a very famous speech. >> yeah. i'm quite surprised he's taken this knighthood. maybe it down. maybe you'll turn it down. i don't scott don't know, ridley scott gets a knighthood. director and producer scott , knighthood. director and producer scott, um, producer sir ridley scott, um, whose works include gladiator, alien, napoleon is made a knight grand cross, which upgrades the previous night. so there we go. well done. ridley. uh, tim martin gets a knighthood. this one was out a couple of days ago.the one was out a couple of days ago. the wetherspoons pub chain boss avid brexiteer boss tim martin, avid brexiteer as knighted for services

as well, knighted for services to hospitality and culture. now can i just say this one i thought was a little bit odd? as much as i love her right? leona lewis getting obe . so leona lewis getting an obe. so leona lewis, who becomes an officer of the order of the british empire, i'm intrigued to see what exactly has led up to this in the last year. maybe i've missed something. i'm very sorry, leona. saying you don't leona. i'm not saying you don't deserve just saying deserve it. i'm just saying why now? uh, amelia clarke now? really? uh, amelia clarke m.b.e. game of thrones star emilia clarke has been made a member of the order of the british empire alongside her mother of mother jenny, as co—founders of same year, which is a brain injury charity. injury recovery charity. paul hollywood has been made an m.b.e. the great british bake off judge , so he's an mba. off judge, so he's an mba. services to soggy bottoms mary earps, star of sport and the recent winner of sports personality of the year, england lionesses goalkeeper . and lionesses goalkeeper. and there's a heck of a lot more as well. where to start with this sajid javid does he deserve knighthood? >> sizemm crumbs. know, >> sizemm oh crumbs. you know, i probably i mean honestly giving him they all get they all get

them don't they. eventually you know done any kind of know if you've done any kind of senior role in politics i'm afraid dunk . i think afraid it's a slam dunk. i think what me is that you kind what annoys me is that you kind of sajid javid, of get people like sajid javid, who basically done their job and who basically done theirjob and made of money for it and made a lot of money for it and beenin pubuc and made a lot of money for it and been in public and they been in the public eye and they get ticket knighthoods. been in the public eye and they get whereascket knighthoods. been in the public eye and they get whereas somenighthoods. been in the public eye and they get whereas some of hthoods. been in the public eye and they get whereas some of the yods. been in the public eye and they get whereas some of the people um, whereas some of the people working very, very hard for charities, you just get a humble cbe or an obe. >> i suppose that is some >> yeah, i suppose that is some of prominent ones as of the more prominent ones as well . like saying on the well. like it was saying on the front mail, there are front of the mail, there are parents been campaigning parents who've been campaigning very worthy campaigns. so, so that's good. um, i mean, tim martin getting a knighthood. john, your your views on tim martin, the brexit backing wetherspoons boss, you know , wetherspoons boss, you know, these are these are there is always an element political always an element of political honours. it's system >> i mean it's the system is such that if you do well and if you're, if you've got friends in the right places, don't be surprised if it's easier for you to get an honour than it would be for the rest of us. i'm quite surprised it sort of happened. so, know, and you so, you know, and you look around well, could around and say, well, who could they just give them something, you know, something nice ? that's you know, something nice? that's

not well look, he not too bad. oh well look, he did do a lot with wetherspoons. you certainly you know he did. he certainly did forward . and, you did bring it forward. and, you know, good businessman must know, a good businessman must have businessman somewhere. >> fan of >> i'm a massive fan of wetherspoons. i'm a massive fan of know, it's the only of it. you know, it's the only place you see, i used of it. you know, it's the only pl.go you see, i used of it. you know, it's the only pl.go in you see, i used of it. you know, it's the only pl.go in for you see, i used of it. you know, it's the only pl.go in for a you see, i used of it. you know, it's the only pl.go in for a full! see, i used of it. you know, it's the only pl.go in for a full english jsed of it. you know, it's the only pl.go in for a full english and to go in for a full english and a red wine when a bottle of red wine when i finished night shift. as finished the night shift. as a previous employer. 6:00 in the morning, liverpool street station it station can't beat it and it cost nothing as well. massive cost me nothing as well. massive fan wetherspoons. fan of wetherspoons. >> health pantry. >> your health pantry. >> your health pantry. >> be fair, did actually >> your health pantry. >> mea fair, did actually >> your health pantry. >> me quite did actually >> your health pantry. >> me quite did um,ally >> your health pantry. >> me quite did um, i'm cost me quite a lot. um, i'm quite surprised that michael eavis getting a knighthood eavis is getting a knighthood and it. touched and has accepted it. we touched on it earlier on the glastonbury founder, big jeremy fan. founder, big jeremy corbyn fan. it doesn't seem like it's right up his street, does it? yeah it's interesting the decision to accept it. it's interesting the decision to acc i )t it. it's interesting the decision to ach)t it. i suppose at >> i mean, i suppose looking at this javid, obviously this with sajid javid, obviously he's who's achieved stuff, this with sajid javid, obviously he'sit who's achieved stuff, this with sajid javid, obviously he'sit does who's achieved stuff, this with sajid javid, obviously he'sit does feels achieved stuff, this with sajid javid, obviously he'sit does feel aachieved stuff, this with sajid javid, obviously he'sit does feel a bit.3ved stuff, this with sajid javid, obviously he'sit does feel a bit. itzd stuff, this with sajid javid, obviously he'sit does feel a bit. it feelsff, but it does feel a bit. it feels a cheating because a bit like cheating because you're mates, you're giving it to your mates, aren't giving aren't you? you're you're giving knighthoods to each other. yeah. whereas like michael whereas i do feel like michael eavis and tim martin, you know, different political eavis and tim martin, you know, different but political eavis and tim martin, you know, different but they, political eavis and tim martin, you know, different but they, polhave spectrum, but they, they have both created very both undeniably created very successful british institutions. so i do think it makes more

sense to give it to people who have undeniably sort of created something. politicians something. but politicians giving it to other politicians, it seems a bit naff, sure, but bear mind of the bear in mind that most of the people given honours, if people who are given honours, if when the whole total comes out three quarters of them will be people you've not heard of but have done decent things. >> yeah, and decent work, because the system has changed a good deal. it used to be automatically, you all automatically, you know, all the sort people in sort of minor people in politics. in fact, the more minor the work, they're more likely to get knighthoods because they didn't get any pubuc because they didn't get any public , you know, shove public acclaim, you know, shove them this give them that. they've been loyal. used to they've been loyal. they used to be more of that went be a lot more of that than went on. political on. yeah. although political honours brought what honours were brought back. what you get these things is you get from these things is pretty of the big names. not many big names are they? well, well. >> mary earps, star of was the england lionesses. the goalkeeper for the england lionesses sports personality of the year. i mean joey barton's going to be fuming at this but um with respect finish runners up to spain in the women's world

cup. >> i know goalkeeper . against goalkeeper. >> do you think this is i mean what's they don't they don't i don't i don't thrill to that appointment. >> i must admit um you know, you just think wait a minute. can't we've got some. fantastic. >> why, why >> but why her like why, why her? this is why. i mean, as the entire , uh, presumably the entire, uh, presumably the entire, uh, presumably the entire . entire. >> she also a campaign >> she also had a campaign involving the shirt, didn't she? so nike wasn't initially so i think nike wasn't initially going print a mary earps going to print a mary earps shirt. and then there was a sort of movement . so have an of popular movement. so have an mba printed? well, no one remembers the mba or the obe. i think matters, doesn't it? think sir matters, doesn't it? or dame, would you her or dame, would you accept her a knighthood ? uh, no, i wouldn't knighthood? uh, no, i wouldn't accept an obe or an mbe because you've got a, you know, you've accept an obe or an mbe because you the got a, you know, you've accept an obe or an mbe because you the association now, you've accept an obe or an mbe because you the association withoutj've accept an obe or an mbe because you the association without any got the association without any game, maybe a game, right? maybe a maybe a knighthood. right, here go. >> his eyes have lit up now. yeah. there we go. yes. yeah i see, heroes has see, i see one of my heroes has also jilly cooper. come on. also got jilly cooper. come on. >> oh, i love jilly >> yes. oh, i love jilly cooper's yeah, think oh she's. >> oh she's got one as well, which is great. >> so good. all right. okay.

well there we go. get your reaction. coming thick and reaction. coming in thick and fast. vaiews@gbnews.com. and it has been revealed that labour spin doctor alastair campbell proposed legal action against the bbc for their coverage of the bbc for their coverage of the iraq war. 20 years on, should we really be that surprised? i know one of my panelin surprised? i know one of my panel in particular feels incredibly strongly about that. that's in tonight's greatest britain jackass. but britain and union jackass. but first, there are still many more of newspaper front of tomorrow's newspaper front pages our teeth into. you pages to get our teeth into. you get very first look those. get a very first look at those. much them with my press much more of them with my press pack. don't move. i'll back pack. don't move. i'll be back in

tick. all right . welcome back. we're all right. welcome back. we're going to take a more detailed look now at some of tomorrow's front pages with my press pack . front pages with my press pack. so let's go with the mirror . so let's go with the mirror. there it is. heroes and zeros snub for legends. top gongs to tory fat cats. honours farce

again they say so the new year's honours list rewards. this is the mirror , of course. tory the mirror, of course. tory donors as charity heroes kevin sinfield and rob burrow are refused knighthoods again. tycoons given gongs include taxi mogul john griffin , who was mogul john griffin, who was handed the tory party £4 million. liz truss's resignation honours list also slipped out, rewarding 11, as they say, cronies . the rewarding 11, as they say, cronies. the lib dems have piped up and said that this calls the honours system into disrepute. there are a heck of a lot, may i just say, of lib dems in the house of lords, by the way. so you know, there is that. um, okay. the guardian now courts and nhs will not recover until 2030 yet. so i ipp our study says , is that next government says, is that next government will inherit huge challenge to restore public services. the courts backlog rarely gets spoken about enough. i think , spoken about enough. i think, but it is massive people waiting . it's especially for . it's especially bad for innocent who are awaiting innocent people who are awaiting a trial something then a trial for something who then get of get found not guilty. and of course, , um, outstanding course, victims, um, outstanding in field . yes, i like that in his field. yes, i like that in his field. yes, i like that in the guardian. they're talking about co—founder about glastonbury co—founder

michael getting a gong. michael eavis getting a gong. the telegraph now ramps the telegraph now uk, ramps up ukraine after kyiv attack. ukraine arms after kyiv attack. so shapps has ruled out air defence missiles. this comes after russia launched his biggest ever assault, which targeted largely civilian areas, including hitting a tower block etc. in kyiv work from home, passport boss rewarded in new year honours. truss gives brexit supporters gongs a lot in the honours list. there, of course damehood for jilly cooper, which will please susan no end with a picture cooper . the picture of jilly cooper. the times story that we times has got a story that we are going to be focusing in on now, says by boss to now, says jogging by the boss to keep for scheme keep you fit for work. scheme hopes to combat long terme sickness now the job centres and bosses will refer people to therapy or running and gardening clubs to keep them well enough to work in an attempt to tackle long terme sickness. in the benefits system. this comes hot off the back of a story that came out today , showing that came out today, showing that just under a quarter of a million under 35 are off on long terme. sick. suzanne do you

think this is good? should literally just seen this and i'm steaming. >> i am incensed by this headune. >> i am incensed by this headline . absolutely incensed. headline. absolutely incensed. i founded a charity called lipoedema uk. it's for women who have this particular health problem. jogging is the worst thing you can do for that condition, and yet it's massively underdiagnosed. most women who have it don't know they've got it. any boss that sends a woman like i'm just incensed. this is like , you incensed. this is like, you know, it's oh, people are fat and they're unfit. let's make them jog without any sense whatsoever of the individual circumstances of people. i'm sorry. i'm spitting feathers at this. you are really know. >> well, this is. this is good. so? so it's horrendously bad for some people jogging . some people jogging. >> it just is. >> it just is. >> it just is. >> i mean, i suppose it does say that they could also take part in a gardening club. in therapy or a gardening club. >> fine. but. yeah. >> yeah, well fine. but. yeah. okay. but know, okay. something but you know, it's trying a one it's just trying to have a one size all solution . size fits all solution. >> the problem i mean the thing is we do we do need is that we do we do we do need to off. long time to get people off. long time sick i know, but how about saying, into work

saying, would you come into work , please? >> when i say please, >> and then when i say please, i mean going or you'll mean you are going to or you'll lose your money. >> well, but but >> well, yeah, but but unfortunately, it's not working , unfortunately, it's not working, is it? unfortunately, it's not working, is i'quite literally. it's >> quite literally. it's extraordinary many people, >> quite literally. it's extra servants, many people, >> quite literally. it's extra servants, particularlyaople, >> quite literally. it's extra servants, particularly ,)ple, civil servants, particularly, are still somehow working from home when they should not be. and then the passport boss, who told everyone to stay at home. >> of course, absolute chaos has been rewarded in the new years honours. >> you know, the years go by. honours. >> �*know, ow, the years go by. honours. >> �*know, we're e years go by. honours. >> �*know, we're nowars go by. honours. >> �*know, we're now well) by. honours. >> �*know, we're now well after a you know, we're now well after a well over a year after the sort of with things over for well over a year after the sort of people things over for well over a year after the sort of people .:hings over for well over a year after the sort of people . um,s over for well over a year after the sort of people . um, andzr for well over a year after the sort of people . um, and itfor well over a year after the sort of people . um, and it just most people. um, and it just seems extremely you know, what i think people saying? oh, it's all the work life balance, all change. now we can make it up as we go along. no, you can't. you'll do what the boss tells we go along. no, you can't. you'to do what the boss tells we go along. no, you can't. you'to do .hat the boss tells you to do. >> do a look. genuinely, >> i do have a look. genuinely, genuinely. every sympathy. and i hope that is goes without saying, but i'll say it anyway. a genuine sympathy for anybody who terms sick, who is off on long terms sick, and is genuinely terms and is genuinely long terms sick. deeply sceptical sick. i am deeply sceptical about the exact numbers of people who are off on long terms sick. have huge of sick. we have a huge number of people, some of the people, especially some of the

under whether under 35, and i wonder whether or not michael sucking the aspiration out of people's lives with like home ownership with things like home ownership or whatever, really has made it easier for under 35 to go. i'm gonna just do the sick . gonna just do the sick. >> um, i mean, it's difficult to say. i mean, this is interesting. i mean, hopefully it won't be one size fits all. theidea it won't be one size fits all. the idea of sort of giving people sort more services to people sort of more services to try more advice to sort try and or more advice to sort of try and make themselves fit for work, i suppose. why i'm often wary with sort of stories like this is because i know what happened after 2010, whereby you had who were off had lots of people who were off sick, long terms sick, and there was the conservatives was a plan by the conservatives to into work. to get them back into work. what they got private they did was they got a private company of these company to do all of these really tests on really dehumanising tests on people where they were told they were to work if they missed were fit to work if they missed a meeting, for example, they a meeting, for example, and they couldn't meeting couldn't get to the meeting because were severely disabled. >> though, disabled. » n >> too soft, though, michael. i mean, there's a happy medium. i mean, there's a happy medium. i mean, people are mean, i think people really are taking the mick. >> i suppose you need some >> well, i suppose you need some evidence because there evidence because to say there are who are are this many people who are off sick. that could that sick. yeah that could mean that

there people there are lots of people pretending. it could also mean that society which that we've got a society which is of people sick. i is making lots of people sick. i mean covid mean, we did have a covid pandemic. lots people do have mean, we did have a covid pandcovid._ots people do have mean, we did have a covid pandcovid. iyts people do have mean, we did have a covid pandcovid. i knowpeople do have mean, we did have a covid pandcovid. i know people do have long covid. i know people serious sick long tum from from long covid. i know a lot of it is mental health. you might be long covid. i know a lot of it is |somethinglth. you might be long covid. i know a lot of it is |something when»u might be long covid. i know a lot of it is |something when it might be long covid. i know a lot of it is |something when it comesbe long covid. i know a lot of it is |something when it comes to on something when it comes to aspiration though. >> i think i think >> i think. i think i think what's of increasing what's the point of increasing my income can't afford a my income if i can't afford a house i really do worry house anyway? i really do worry massively there massively that there is. and this fundamentally massively that there is. and tibit fundamentally massively that there is. and tibit of fundamentally massively that there is. and tibit of get fundamentally massively that there is. and tibit of get and ndamentally massively that there is. and tibit of get and gonmentally massively that there is. and tibit of get and go aboutilly a bit of get up and go about yourself overcome this, yourself to just overcome this, because i'm sure we've all had moments lives wanted moments in our lives we wanted to and go, to throw our hands up and go, oh, point? but it oh, what's the point? but it would if i think there would be nice if i think there was of was a little bit more of a carrot somewhere along the line for give them for people to give them that rocket backside and help rocket up the backside and help them and we them out a little bit, and we new have time for greatest new now have time for greatest britain. oh, no. what are we doing? we're moving on. we've got greatest britain of union jackass. because jackass. let's do that. because there's i there's actually a story that i wanted which in one wanted to cover, which is in one of tomorrow , somebody of the papers tomorrow, somebody is talking so is going to be talking about. so let's it . greatest britain let's do it. greatest britain union, jackass . right. we start union, jackass. right. we start with greatest britain, and then we gradually descend into the

gutter. so, suzanne, who's your greatest britain >> so we've already mentioned him. martin, the boss him. it's tim martin, the boss of you, of wetherspoons. like you, patrick, i love the spoons. i think great. especially think they're great. especially in living crisis . in this cost of living crisis. um, great company, great brexit supporter was tim. so congratulations to you. >> okay. so you're going tim martin uh, your greatest martin uh, as your greatest briton john i'm going for ruth major. >> you won't have heard of her. she's a retired teacher and you may have read about her. she used her free bus pass to travel around the country picking up litter. now, it may seem to lots of people how, you know, pointless and all the rest of it, but she's doing good stuff there, you know, we want litter picked up and she's a wonderful example. so she's my hero . example. so she's my hero. >> she's your hero. that's quite a heartwarming story, a nice, heartwarming story, actually. michael, who's your greatest britain? >> caroline >> i'm going with caroline aherne. there was a bbc aherne. um, so there was a bbc documentary her very documentary about her very recently. obviously taken to young. course . and i think young. of course. and i think the reason i picked up one, i watched one of the christmas specials over christmas very, very also, you very enjoyable. but also, you know, been know, ricky gervais has been in

the news this week. i'm not going sort he should going to sort of say he should be cancelled, but something that's really nice about caroline it's caroline aherne's comedy is it's not cruel, know. it's all not cruel, you know. it's all about sort of bringing people together and think much together and i think it's much more impressive to make comedy, which isn't mean. more impressive to make comedy, whiwell, 't mean. more impressive to make comedy, whiwell, 't mdid, she >> well, she did, she was she was the writers of the was one of the writers of the royal that right? yes. royal family is that right? yes. the co—creator. she the creator, the co—creator. she did. yeah, right. >> main creator? yeah. >> she said that in my introduction. all introduction. no, that's all right. it's, she's right. no, it's, um. she's also friends as friends with noel gallagher as well, of well, who spoke very highly of her. she after she passed. right. today's greatest right. okay today's greatest britain is tim martin. yes. that's there we go, sir. that's right there we go, sir. tim soon to be, um, and, tim martin, soon to be, um, and, you know, other winners could have been, but no, that's the one. union jack is the one that i really like. so go on. right. okay. let's run ourselves okay. so let's run ourselves down the line again. suzanne, here's your union jack. >> the security in >> it's the security guards in tesco. yes. that you were talking earlier , patrick, talking about earlier, patrick, who contain an unruly who couldn't contain an unruly customer and left it to another customer and left it to another customer to do it. what a shambles . shambles. >> yeah. no, i'm absolutely fuming about it. what is the point of having security guards employed there to watch people shoplift ? was shop. i was

shoplift? i was in a shop. i was in tesco's around corner in a tesco's around the corner from actually, bloke from here, actually, and a bloke , you could see this guy coming in. his in. he tethered his staffordshire bull terrier up with rope outside, put with a bit of rope outside, put his up, walked the his hood up, walked into the shop, into bag, shop, swept things into a bag, just walked straight past two security the leash security guards, undid the leash of the dog walked off and of the dog and walked off and they ages. they stood there for ages. what's the point? and that's before anyone any gets before anyone gets any gets violent. but there we go, john. who's jack? i'm who's your union? jack? i'm afraid he's been nominated many times , but donald trump, times before, but donald trump, henry . henry. >> uh, jackass. but if he could just just imagine a dream world where he decides not to run for president joe biden .joe biden president joe biden. joe biden then decides that he won't run. and you could have a normal presidential election in the biggest, most important, not the biggest, most important, not the biggest democracy in the world, but the most important democracy in world could then be back in the world could then be back on course. this is heading for a constitutional disaster if they're not careful, which will affect and dominate american politics. not just for this yean politics. not just for this year, but for the next four years rowing and all the rest years of rowing and all the rest of it, which is very difficult

and even the american and hard for even the american us to cope with. >> i mean, it is a dream for america's enemies. the idea that that biden would still be in power with potential, you know, cognitive decline and not really potential, is it? i mean , i potential, is it? i mean, i don't think he's that well. and then with with everything then trump with with everything that go it. i'm a fan then trump with with everything th.trump. go it. i'm a fan then trump with with everything th.trump. igo it. i'm a fan then trump with with everything th.trump. i will it. i'm a fan then trump with with everything th.trump. i will be it. i'm a fan then trump with with everything th.trump. i will be happy a fan then trump with with everything th.trump. i will be happy a see of trump. i will be happy to see him president of the him as the president of the united don't get united states again, don't get me but the way that the me wrong. but the way that the us react to that, us would then react to that, i mean, are russia us would then react to that, i m> what was he, what was his like? >> well, he was very upset that the bbc doing critical the bbc had been doing critical coverage up dossier coverage of the sexed up dossier . you there are . and, you know, there are disputes over the particular

reporting. what do know, reporting. but what we do know, what undeniable that what was undeniable is that alastair campbell wanted the intelligence report to be in line with what the united states, what george w bush was saying. so i think they tricked us that essentially. us into that war, essentially. >> wrong. >> yeah, they were wrong. the key they misled key point was that they misled the . and as campbell and the country. and as campbell and tony this particular tony blair on this particular issue, misled . issue, we were misled. >> there go. alastair >> well, there we go. alastair campbell, back campbell, obviously pushes back very strongly those very strongly on those allegations. today's very strongly on those allegajackass today's very strongly on those allegajackass is today's very strongly on those allegajackass is alastairiay's union jackass is alastair campbell. there we go . yes. well campbell. there we go. yes. well done. fantastic. look thank you very much my wonderful panel. thank dedicating your thank you for dedicating your friday evening us. friday evening to us. i thoroughly i will be thoroughly enjoyed it. i will be back doing new year's back. oh, i'm doing new year's eve breakfast with emily at 6 am. sunday, so i'll see you am. on sunday, so i'll see you then. headliners though then. headliners next though a brighter outlook box solar, brighter outlook with box solar, sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> good evening. i'm alex burkill. here's your latest gb news weather forecast. there will be some frost around tonight before wet and windy weather arrives in time for the

weekend. that's in association with a deep area of low pressure currently out in the atlantic. this will sweep its way in across the uk as we go through the next 24 hours or so. ahead of that, some quieter weather for a time, as many the for a time, as many of the daytime and clear daytime showers ease and clear away, leaving some clear skies for many. but very wet and for many. but a very wet and windy picture towards the far north—east of scotland tonight, under the clear skies, particularly towards eastern parts , likely to turn quite parts, likely to turn quite chilly. a touch of frost in the south, widespread frost south, a widespread harsh frost across scotland so across parts of scotland so a bit of a frosty start. first thing on saturday morning. but then increasingly wet then turning increasingly wet and as this system makes and windy as this system makes its way in. pushing northeastwards as we go through the day. as that rain hits the cold air over scotland, we are likely to see some significant snow could see more than ten centimetres places over centimetres in some places over the could cause the higher ground could cause some here some travel disruption. here elsewhere, an unsettled picture, but quite mild towards the south. highs of around 12 celsius. looking ahead towards new year's eve and for many it is going to be a blustery day.

strongest winds towards the south. risk of gales here. quite a showers around but a few showers around but a calmer across scotland . calmer picture across scotland. some dry weather and mostly some dry weather here and mostly light winds though towards light winds though again towards the north—east. it is the far north—east. it is looking and windy as we go looking wet and windy as we go into the beginning of new into the beginning of the new year looks it year. actually looks like it will dry , but that will be largely dry, but that may not last that long by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> good evening . >> good evening. >> good evening. >> i'm sophia wenzler in the gb news room. former prime minister liz truss long awaited resignation honours list has been branded a slap in the face to hard working people by laboun to hard working people by labour. tory donor sir john moynihan missed truss deputy chief of staff with porter and former chief executive of the vote leave brexit campaign matt elliott, have all been recommended for peerages. the list caused controversy even before being published, with calls for the prime minister to block the honours. because of her short lived nature of mrs. truss's premiership means the government has also revealed a slew of separate new year honours . england goalkeeper mary honours. england goalkeeper mary . ipsis, glastonbury founder michael eavis and game of thrones actor emilia clarke among those stars of sport, stage and screen recognised in

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