gb news. >> good evening . >> good evening. >> good evening. >> i'm sophia wenzler in the gb news room. former prime minister liz truss long awaited resignation honours list has been branded a slap in the face to hard working people by laboun to hard working people by labour. tory donor sir john moynihan missed truss deputy chief of staff with porter and former chief executive of the vote leave brexit campaign matt elliott, have all been recommended for peerages. the list caused controversy even before being published, with calls for the prime minister to block the honours. because of her short lived nature of mrs. truss's premiership means the government has also revealed a slew of separate new year honours . england goalkeeper mary honours. england goalkeeper mary . ipsis, glastonbury founder michael eavis and game of thrones actor emilia clarke among those stars of sport, stage and screen recognised in

the new year's honours list , the new year's honours list, while the archbishop of canterbury leads those rewarded for their work of the king's coronation . three men who died coronation. three men who died after a 4x4 vehicle was swept away as they tried to cross a river in yorkshire , have been river in yorkshire, have been named by the police. scott thomas, daddy leslie forbes and kenneth patrick hibbins were found dead inside the vehicle after it became submerged in the river esk, near glaisdale. police say the tragic incident was caused by hazardous weather conditions that had badly affected the roads in the surrounding area . nato is surrounding area. nato is monitoring the situation as poland says russian missile is likely to have entered its airspace. according to the head of polish armed forces , both of polish armed forces, both poland and nato's radar systems spotted an unidentified aerial object over the country's territory. nato secretary general jens stoltenberg says the military alliance stands in solidarity with poland, and that it remains vigilant. it's

understood groups of soldiers are performing on the ground verification of the missile's flight path . and here in the uk, flight path. and here in the uk, the government has promised to send around 200 air defence missiles to ukraine after russia launched a massive air attack overnight . officials say 31 overnight. officials say 31 civilians have been killed and at least 120 injured following a series of attacks on critical infrastructure and military facilities . one person in facilities. one person in scotland has died following an outbreak of e coli . it's after outbreak of e coli. it's after the uk health security agency confirmed it's currently investigating 30 cases across england and scotland to identify any potential links to that brand of cheese . the food brand of cheese. the food standards agency has announced a precautionary recall of four products from mrs. kirkham's lancashire cheese because of a possible e coli contamination . possible e coli contamination. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's time for headliners .

time for headliners. hello . and time for headliners. hello. and welcome to headliners. >> your first look at saturday's newspapers . i'm andrew doyle and newspapers. i'm andrew doyle and on comedian panel tonight, on my comedian panel tonight, gb news elwood. news answer to jake and elwood. it's cox and josh howie . it's paul cox and josh howie. how are you both.7 good christmas . yeah, bad. . yeah, not bad. >> andrew yourself. . yeah, not bad. >> well, w yourself. . yeah, not bad. >> well, w yc have f. . yeah, not bad. >> well, w yc have children, so >> well, you have children, so it's all about them , isn't it.7 it's all about them, isn't it.7 >> is all about them. it's >> it is all about them. so it's about five times about outlay although five times the josh. the outlay for josh. >> yes, yes. »- >> yes, yes. >> the good news is that my, >> but the good news is that my, one of my kids presents arrived today. one of my kids presents arrived today . so that has been what's dominating. >> i'm sure there were no complaints at all about the delay. he was you know, was delay. he was you know, he was just cool about it. >> was he.7 was just cool about it. >> was he? was like, no, >> was he? he was just like, no, not at he he is literally not at all. he he is literally asked me a thousand times to check tracking phone. check the tracking my phone. it's and now it's been a nightmare. and now formally, fortunately, i don't need to him now. he's need to speak to him now. he's got present. got the present. >> let's have look got the present. >>the let's have look got the present. >>the front let's have look got the present. >>the front let first. e look got the present. >>the front let first. okay»ok at the front pages first. okay the running with

the daily mail is running with most of all. most poignant honours of all. the guardian is running with a courts and nhs will not recover until 2030. the telegraph has uk ramps up ukraine arms after kyiv attack. the mirror is leading with heroes and zeros . that's with heroes and zeros. that's the new year's gongs and the times has got sent jogging by the boss to keep you fit for work. the daily star hey, nice beavers saving britain. not sure what that's about, but we'll get to it in a moment. those of you who front headlines . okay, let's who front headlines. okay, let's begin with saturday's telegraph. paul >> yeah uk ramps up ukraine arms after kyiv attack . so this is uk after kyiv attack. so this is uk rushing air defence missiles to ukraine after recent russian bombarding . the telegraph bombarding. the telegraph understands the announcement by grant shapps of course who's the defence secretary was brought forward over fears that moscow could strike again over the new year holiday. so i'm almost

ashamed to say that i'd slightly forgotten about this conflict . forgotten about this conflict. >> well, you would, i mean, there's been an awful lot else going i think we going on. i think we have a tendency to just assume that if it's news, not it's not in the news, it's not going on, which is mental. >> and, >> yeah, obviously. and, uh, you're about my son's you're talking about my son's delayed present. i am sorry . delayed present. i am sorry. yeah. that was that was the other distracted all of us, josh. >> but this is i mean, a lot of this is to do with apparently ukraine over ukraine angering moscow over this navy vessel in crimea. >> yeah, they do get angry russia about the whole fighting back situation type back in a war situation type attack , they? the cynic in attack, don't they? the cynic in me and, uh, he's he's deep in there. um, he i wonder why this is coming out now. because this has been rumbling for on some time. and of course, we've had the christmas break when we've had i know you've heard had i don't know if you've heard about what's going on israel. about what's going on in israel. um, well that's um, and gaza, but. well that's one of the reasons, i suppose, that focusing that we've been focusing on that, been , uh, that, because that's been, uh, dominating the headlines, but rightly so. >> you've got this >> and then you've got this other which we've sort other conflict, which we've sort of forgotten about. >> yeah. i wonder why , um,

>> yeah. and i wonder why, um, just this particular moment, just at this particular moment, it's come up. i don't know if it's come up. i don't know if it's of distraction. it's come up. i don't know if it's getting of distraction. it's come up. i don't know if it's getting very distraction. it's come up. i don't know if it's getting very cynical. on. it's come up. i don't know if it's getting very cynical. what's i'm getting very cynical. what's it a massive attack over it there? a massive attack over there. they did, they but there. they did, they did. but basically, uh, we using a british managed to british missile, they managed to shoot destroyed shoot down a they destroyed a warship . right. so that cost warship. right. so that cost that that cost 2.5 million. destroyed a russian warship. that's economics there, that's amazing. economics there, which, yes, warships cost billions or hundreds of millions. uh, and in revenge, uh, russia has attacked, uh, the ukraine. but like the civilian population . and also there's population. and also there's this idea that because ukraine are making these kind of incremental advances on the battlefield. yes, this is sort of draw attention away from that i >> -- >> uh, and so you're saying this was a target on a civilian population. this this is population. this is this this is what russia's been doing. >> just unleashed this very >> they just unleashed this very , uh, um, damaging, uh, missile attack thing. so this is why they're doing it? because they need to have more anti—missile missiles. okay? it just feels that every now and again, this feels like ukraine are doing well. but i was only reading a

story last week. they made out that russia is clearly have won the war, and it's just a matter of time, i never know. >> i hear conflicting reports continually. we'll continually. i don't think we'll know over. know until this thing is over. anyway, on know until this thing is over. ansaturday's on know until this thing is over. ansaturday's guardian. on know until this thing is over. ansaturday's guardian. josh, on to saturday's guardian. josh, what they leading with? to saturday's guardian. josh, whtcourts hey leading with? to saturday's guardian. josh, whtcourts andleading with? to saturday's guardian. josh, whtcourts and nhs1gwith? to saturday's guardian. josh, whtcourts and nhs willith? to saturday's guardian. josh, whtcourts and nhs will not >> courts and nhs will not recover until the 2030s. so this is, study , which is, is, uh, ipp r study, which is, uh, the institute for public policy research . and they're policy research. and they're saying that basically , uh, if saying that basically, uh, if labour gets in, it's still got a huge amount of work to do because of the last 13 years of , because of the last 13 years of, um, of lack of investment in our services. nhs and the courts, even the courts are, say, even if they manage to kind of reinvest the money that's necessary to turn it around, it's going to to be like, uh, 2033. i mean, at least back where we were, i don't even think the back the nhs has always had a backlog. >> i don't think you will clear it seven time after it within seven years time after it within seven years time after it under new labour, it did well under new labour, they the money they put the money in. >> massive difference. they put the money in. >> ever massive difference. they put the money in. >> ever since nassive difference. they put the money in. >> ever since iassive difference. they put the money in. >> ever since i mean,difference. they put the money in. >> ever since i mean, this'ence. they put the money in. >> ever since i mean, this isice. and ever since i mean, this is this is a cycle that we've seen. we saw we saw what happened unden

we saw we saw what happened under, uh, thatcher. and then john whatever the john major and whatever the services worse and worse. services got worse and worse. schools got worse and worse under investment. yes. new labour got in, spent billions fixing it up. we got to a place and everyone went, oh, everything's right now let's get tories in. and then they tories back in. and then they basically underinvested the tories back in. and then they basi�*13ly underinvested the tories back in. and then they basi�*13 years. erinvested the tories back in. and then they basi�*13 years. and ested the tories back in. and then they basi�*13 years. and nowi the last 13 years. and now we're back is back to where we were. labour is going and invest for going to come in and invest for ten years and then just ten years and then it's just going repeat. ten years and then it's just goiiso repeat. ten years and then it's just goiiso isn't)eat. ten years and then it's just goiiso isn't this the point paul, >> so isn't this the point paul, that ultimately if you the that ultimately if you want the nhs work, have to fund nhs to work, you have to fund it? well this is it. >> clearly the story is >> quite clearly the story is the expectation management. we know as know that, um, particularly as it's in the guardian, we know that this is the sort of story they would favour. it's basically saying cannot basically saying labour cannot do to improve the nhs, do anything to improve the nhs, whether get or not. and, whether they get in or not. and, and probably going to and it's probably going to be the government after the next government after laboun the next government after labour, whether that's labour again, are to be able again, that are going to be able to they can improve it, they to say they can improve it, they just get back to where just can't get it back to where it it will improve it was. however, it will improve over next. not way over the next. it's not the way labour been for some labour has been talking for some time. hasten add, time. i would hasten to add, because talk, mean, because labour talk, i mean, they us within they never tell us what's within their make their policies, but they do make out bullets out that there's silver bullets just lying to be shot. i don't

out that there's silver bullets just lythere be shot. i don't out that there's silver bullets just lythere ise shot. i don't out that there's silver bullets just lythere is ashot. i don't out that there's silver bullets just lythere is a therei don't out that there's silver bullets just lythere is a there ison't out that there's silver bullets just lythere is a there is stuff know, there is a there is stuff in policies. to in here about their policies. to be isn't just be fair, it isn't just investment. there are issues about is run. and investment. there are issues abouthere's is run. and investment. there are issues abouthere's , is run. and investment. there are issues abouthere's , you is run. and investment. there are issues abouthere's , you know,un. and investment. there are issues abouthere's , you know, the and also there's, you know, the demand much greater. demand is much greater. we have a much population i a much larger population now. i think everyone has this think everyone has felt this shift if you try and get shift like if you try and get a gp appointment now, it's now you have solve puzzles. have to solve puzzles. >> you have to kind of it's >> you have to kind of like it's really strange. you have to phone exact same time phone at the exact same time every and even then you every day and even then you don't through. then do don't get through. then they do this thing, this thing called triage thing, which no which they never used to do. no this is all new to me. >> if i if i to this is all new to me. >>if|if|tobe this is all new to me. >> if i if i to be not nice to the let me just say that the tories, let me just say that the tories, let me just say that the seems to be not like the failing seems to be not like this more this kind of evilness. it's more just ability to plan just the lack of ability to plan ahead. everything is constantly deaung ahead. everything is constantly dealing with a crisis as it occurs, as opposed to you have to think this thing through , to think this thing through, plan ten years ahead and make the investments. then there's no point turning around afterwards. okay we're going to move on to the cover of times. the front cover of the times. >> are they leading with? >> scent. jogging by the boss to keep fit for work . andrew. keep you fit for work. andrew. so life coaches and running clubs to get people back to work. so ministers launch work

well scheme to help reduce numbers signed off with job centres encouraged to refer people for advice and therapeutic . well, that doesn't therapeutic. well, that doesn't sound so bad. >> i mean, i think a lot of people who are unemployed get people who are unemployed do get into slump of just into that. that slump of just being inactive and and it's being inactive and that and it's a of then. a kind of cycle then. >> it feels bit like >> yeah, it feels a bit like they're just saying just run it off. but the more, you know, i don't think what they don't think that's what they mean. don't think that's what they me the more you read into >> the more you read into it. >> the more you read into it. >> did me >> no, it certainly did to me when i, when i read first when i, when i read the first few of few paragraphs. but actually, of course, all of this stuff is unked course, all of this stuff is linked mental and linked to mental health and getting about. let's not getting out and about. let's not forget we've got this perception that of work that everybody who's out of work and jobseeker's and has been on jobseeker's allowance, and there's a record of people out of of 2.6 million people out of work of long time work because of long time sickness moment. sickness at the moment. yes, we've of this we've been sort of told this trope they're just lazy and trope that they're just lazy and they get back . they never want to get back. that might be true for a percentage of them, but for many of they've got of them, they've just got in a rut. so idea of this is to rut. so the idea of this is to try and get them out of that rut by introducing exercise into their coaches josh , are you a sceptic? >> no, not at all. >> no, not at all. >> that this is, uh, >> i think that this is, uh, holistic approach. it's holistic approach. okay. it's

there's not they're not sort of talking about one size fits all here. people need some people need exercise, some people need psychotherapy. whatever it is . psychotherapy. whatever it is. the is there is an issue the point is there is an issue here where they're about here where they're talking about it by 75% by the end it increasing by 75% by the end of this decade, £93 billion a yeah of this decade, £93 billion a year. is not sustainable year. that is not sustainable for our system. these people need be back in work. we need need to be back in work. we need to and if to encourage people and if whatever they can do, they can do it's again too little, do it. it's again too little, too know. too late, i don't know. >> uh, finish this >> okay, uh, let's finish this section saturday's mirror. section with saturday's mirror. josh, they running with? >> zeros and zeros? this is the heroes farce. this is what they say, basically, because the mirror is complaining because it didn't put through to the people that they've requested. wait >> this is the new year's honours list. year's honours list. new year's honours. clarify honours. can you just clarify this i wasn't this for me? because i wasn't clear why liz truss has been able choose. mean, able to choose. well, i mean, she right. she was barely right. >> no, course. mean, >> well, no, of course. i mean, that's story is. that's what the real story is. here have come. that's what the real story is. here have have come. that's what the real story is. here have been have come. that's what the real story is. here have been famousa come. that's what the real story is. here have been famous people there have been famous people who it whatever, who deserved it and whatever, but the idea is here is. yes, there she allocated one pair for every 4.5 days. she was in in

power. yeah. she has a right as prime minister, even though it was a short time. but i thought it was current prime minister to allocate. well, no, no, you do it as you leave, like you're leaving. you're leaving. see, leaving. you're leaving. i see, so thing. put so this is the thing. so she put that through there was talk that list through there was talk over last year or you over the last year or so. you know, of her six months of her, of rishi, five seeing this list and saying, come on, you're taking a mickey a little bit, and saying, come on, you're taki actually key a little bit, and saying, come on, you're taki actually he'sa little bit, and saying, come on, you're taki actually he's just le bit, and saying, come on, you're taki actually he's just kind :, and saying, come on, you're taki actually he's just kind of but actually he's just kind of snuckitin but actually he's just kind of snuck it in the new year's list. year's honours so it's come year's honours. so now it's come out these billionaires out and all these billionaires have got. out and all these billionaires hakaay, paul, can ask >> okay, paul, can i ask you about this? because i think when it comes you're prime it comes to if you're prime minister the minister and you're choosing the gongs, bit gongs, wouldn't you be a bit more rewarding more strategic than rewarding people money the people who've given money to the conservative people who've given money to the conserv because here people who've given money to the conservbecause here it people who've given money to the conserv because here it says , saying, because here it says, uh, john moynihan, provide over £50,000 to liz truss's leadership campaign, and he gets , uh, is it a peerage? she's getting getting one of the honours. now, if i were liz truss, i'd be thinking maybe i should just hold back that. should just hold back on that. just from perspective. just from a pr perspective. >> would 100% agree >> usually i would 100% agree with and you're completely with you and you're completely right. whether right. irrespective of whether i do however, usually

do or not. however, usually a prime minister gets longer than 49 days in power. yes so she's basically ripped saying all the things that she probably promised during that very short tenure. that's what i mean. >> should it be the case that the are to the honours are a means to effectively repay people who've supported effectively repay people who've supanded that's rishi >> and i think that's why rishi sunak taken, has chipped sunak has has taken, has chipped away list because this away at this list because this this probably the this probably isn't the full list she submitted list that she submitted initially. this been chipped initially. this has been chipped away then been away at and then it's been allowed. maybe is. but also remember, rishi probably remember, rishi will probably be doing own list soon enough. doing his own list soon enough. >> yes. okay >> emm- >> fair enough. yeah, that wasn't the way. wasn't a joke, by the way. i should fill because i put i had to put up because i know we to put this up because i know we have a problem with people have a problem with some people in normal in the audience, not our normal audience, of course, some audience, of course, but some people don't people watching the show don't know we're joking or know whether we're joking or not. could do this not. yeah, no, i could do this to that's quite to say, well, that's quite a good . good system. >> so whenever someone makes a joke, , you put that up joke, any quip, you put that up and then they will realise it's not seriously . not to be taken seriously. >> we should explain to people on holding sign on radio. i'm holding up a sign saying say not saying joke so i can say not a joke. joke yes, covid is real. no joke. are, know, whatever no joke. are, you know, whatever meltdowns . meltdowns. >> okay, great. good >> okay, okay, great. good >> okay, okay, great. good

>> well, we've got that system in place. thank you for that. uh, that's front that uh, that's the front pages that we've but us we've dealt with. but join us in part for idea from part two for an old idea from tony blair, a new idea about mental health. and we'll find out why prison isn't very good for your career.

world seems to care less about a lasting ceasefire . lasting ceasefire. >> you're listening to . gb views. >> welcome back to headliners your first look at saturday's news. i'm andrew doyle. i'm still here with paul cox and josh howie. we're going to start with saturday's telegraph and more evidence that labour and the tories might have more in common than they'd like to admit. they often do, >> paul, as they often do, particularly around election time. blair government wanted to house um seekers in camp house asile's um seekers in camp on isle of marls, the former labour pm, as if we didn't know, also considered , uh, a falklands also considered, uh, a falklands islands and wrote an and wrote to a legal immigrant saying just return them the archives show. so this is this is basically harking back to 2002 where, by the way, at the monthly average

was 8800 immigrants. now that's like, yeah. >> so nothing like it is now . >> so nothing like it is now. >> so nothing like it is now. >> now weekly. >> so nothing like it is now. >> but/ weekly. >> so nothing like it is now. >> but correct 1. >> so nothing like it is now. >> but correct me if i'm wrong . >> but correct me if i'm wrong. didn't we have an article about three months where was didn't we have an article about tibig months where was didn't we have an article about tibig uproar; where was didn't we have an article about tibig uproar; wherehad was didn't we have an article about tibig uproar; wherehad beens a big uproar because it had been it it had been it was revealed that it had been considered might house considered that they might house asylum in, uh, i think asylum seekers in, uh, i think one of the hebrides, one of the scottish. >> anderson said exactly the same right. almost the same thing. right. almost in the same thing. right. almost in the same point , same way. what at this point, um, so does that mean that every successive government has thought of this as a, as an offshore solution? if you're in if you're a whip or for the labour party or you're in the labour party or you're in the labour party or you're in the labour party and you're trying to defend this, you'll say, yeah, but tony blair looked at this and dismissed it because it didn't. didn't. it didn't. because he didn't. it didn't. because he didn't. it didn't fruition. however didn't come to fruition. however it's moment . it's dressed as a gotcha moment. it is a gotcha moment in the sense that we've got tony blair advising keir starmer. keir starmer is coming saying starmer is coming out saying the rwanda plans rubbish. yes. we would never think something would never think of something like this, or certainly we'd never this way, only to never do it in this way, only to find that 20 years his find out that 20 years ago, his lord and master, keir starmer, said i'm sorry, keir starmer has

not that. starmer said said i'm sorry, keir starmer has notwill that. starmer said said i'm sorry, keir starmer has notwill do at. starmer said said i'm sorry, keir starmer has notwill do something rmer said said i'm sorry, keir starmer has notwill do something like' said we will do something like this, but do it a different way, but we'll do it a different way, which and will which will be legal and will actually sat actually go through. once he sat back and saw so. >> wait, josh, are saying >> so wait, josh, are you saying that starmer support that keir starmer does support some kind of offshore? >> that's what the labour have been talking about and they've been talking about and they've been things been so, so there's two things that important here that i think are important here that i think are important here that about this. that are interesting about this. >> number one is this is encouraged in that labour has been issue for been aware of this issue for a long 20 years or so, long time, for 20 years or so, pointing fact that this pointing the fact that this isn't immigration illegal immigration right immigration is not a left right issue it's that needs issue. it's an issue that needs to sorted in terms of just to be sorted in terms of just our sovereignty, but also finance, so finance, ces and whatnot. so what's happened is, course, finance, ces and whatnot. so withe happened is, course, finance, ces and whatnot. so withe left,)ened is, course, finance, ces and whatnot. so withe left, have is, course, finance, ces and whatnot. so withe left, have moved:ourse, finance, ces and whatnot. so withe left, have moved further to the left, have moved further left . yes. and would that left. yes. and would say that even isn't actually even tony blair isn't actually left wing, tony blair never even tony blair isn't actually left 'he g, tony blair never even tony blair isn't actually left 'he was tony blair never even tony blair isn't actually left 'he was left ny blair never even tony blair isn't actually left 'he was left wing.|ir never said he was left wing. >> you but would >> well, you know, but he would i say he's left. i think he would say he's left. no, i think he would say he's centrist. say centrist. i think he would say he's of the labour party. >> but don't party. » but >> but i don't think he would ever i'd say overall he would say wing. i don't say he's left wing. no, i don't think he, he really thinks >> i think he, he really thinks he's no, think he's right wing. no, i think he's right wing. no, i think he's adamant that he's not he's quite adamant that he's not left he's never left wing like he's never claimed to be. >> i mean, it depends. i guess we're arguing here what you

think of left wing. i'm talking far would say he thinks himself. >> i think he thinks himself as a well, probably. >> i think he thinks himself as a winnersa/ell, probably. >> i think he thinks himself as a winners are. probably. all winners are. >> other >> and the other thing is it shows even this was shows how even though this was stuff that's been written down and years ago, and talked about 20 years ago, yeah, it's still not sorted. >> is the housing, yeah, it's still not sorted. >> is is the housing, yeah, it's still not sorted. >> is part is the housing, yeah, it's still not sorted. >> is part is tiproblemig, yeah, it's still not sorted. >> is part is tiproblem that but is part of the problem that whenever labour talks about immigration, it gets a big backlash from within its own, uh, this to miliband, >> this happened to ed miliband, you , and it's as though you know, and it's as though labour can't really address the immigration issue because when they they get too much flak they do, they get too much flak for it. >> of course, i do. >>— >> of course, i do. >> unusually for me, i really do disagree with josh on this. i think labour have been very powerful this powerful, formative about this issue they realise it's issue and they realise it's going to become sort of the main pole the tent to win. do you pole in the tent to win. do you mean the general election? >> mean that they haven't >> do you mean that they haven't been terms been specific enough in terms of what lot of talk what i've seen a lot of talk about? the migrant about? we will solve the migrant crisis. boats crisis. crisis. the small boats crisis. but i haven't heard any any detail prior to tories detail prior to the tories talking rwanda. talking about rwanda. >> party. the >> and third party. this is the first we've heard anything first time we've heard anything from now, i agree with i from labour. now, i agree with i agree with josh that since it's failed for tories, labour has said, well we would we could do

a similar we'd do it a similar thing but we'd do it differently. however think differently. however i think they've performative they've been very performative on this and they're making it out that they've got the solution no one's the solution and no one's got the solution and no one's got the solution . and this, this hasn't solution. and this, this hasn't been feasibility solution. and this, this hasn't been think feasibility solution. and this, this hasn't been think iszasibility solution. and this, this hasn't been think iszazvalidy yet. i think this is a valid solution. >> the third country, i mean, i think so . think so. >> i mean, it needs to be deterrent. >> but the rwanda plan has been a shambles. >> but the reason why iran didn't it wasn't didn't work is because it wasn't judged country . if they judged a safe country. if they could a country could find a safe country and they're talking about albania and they're talking also slightly differently about processing stuff , like processing the stuff, like having system set up having the uk system set up within that country to process, as opposed to just dumping everyone in rwanda. but it's interesting that years interesting here that 20 years ago, literally wrote down, ago, he literally wrote down, blair, we must not allow the echr stop us dealing with it. echr to stop us dealing with it. so this issue has been going on a time. exactly the a long, long time. exactly the same dynamics are being going on. yes. and it's interesting that, it hasn't that, like i said, it hasn't been dealt with. whoever >> interesting. right. >> interesting. okay. right. saturday's now james daly saturday's times now james daly is blaming society's ills on the parents. yes. yeah. >> crap. parents at fault for

struggling children tory says tory mp this is for barry north james daly really need for that sort of language. well he says that more politicians should have put speak more straight shooting like he's part of the group with leanne and what are they called new tories or new conservatives. yeah. so they're the new tories, new labour heard this phrase before. what? >> what does that mean? that politicians should just have more trash talk? >> i mean, be more plain speaking? argue the best speaking? i would argue the best tory. the not she isn't. i wouldn't say she's plain speaking, but, uh kemi badenoch. i think is the best communicator. think she is for communicator. i think she is for the tories. yeah. um, but but i think, frankly , she he's right. think, frankly, she he's right. that bad parenting is a problem in terms of what we're seeing the, the, the struggling children. but he doesn't identify as why there's bad parenting . and there are two parenting. and there are two reasons. number one is just economics. people have jobs, two jobs. it's very hard to do parenting and parent well when you're off at of all day and

number two is, is because people's own backgrounds, if theyif people's own backgrounds, if they if they had a bad parents, that stuff that cycle just repeats itself. and that's why you had something like, sure, start the whole point of sure start, which brought in under start, which is brought in under new labour. the right wing government, point government, is that the point was would deal with this was they would deal with this issue to kids when issue early, get to kids when they're 4 or 5, six and stop that repeating what that cycle repeating what happened. tories closed happened. the tories closed down. sure. start. so you actually did see an impact. and i worked sure so i worked for sure start. so i know in there and you know i was in there and you would the difference it made would see the difference it made for families. and i think it's devastating that tories. devastating that the tories. i think one of the worst think that's one of the worst things that the tories. >> think i'm of >> but do you think i'm kind of surprised to hear you say, do you family values you think that family values then that that then the whole thing that that john major was pushing with, with basics campaign john major was pushing with, with actually basics campaign john major was pushing with, with actually is basics campaign john major was pushing with, with actually is somethingmpaign that actually is something that we should be pushing for? >> think that >> i think that i think that there's something that needs to be, uh, acknowledged that the having parents, uh, makes having two parents, uh, makes a massive difference to your outcome. that's just no , i mean, outcome. that's just no, i mean, having two parents who were together makes big difference together makes a big difference to. just that's that's

to. that's just that's that's reality. to. that's just that's that's reaiit/. like a conservative view. >> well, might sound a bit, >> well, it might sound a bit, but i don't think that that's necessarily talking necessarily what he's talking about. sort of i think he about. he's sort of i think he isn't actually getting the isn't actually getting to the gnps isn't actually getting to the grips bad parenting. >> so why is there bad parenting? paul no, i wasn't saying you are a bad parent, but just just it just laugh. just just it just made me laugh. >> that the >> the way that phrase, the question, um, look, there is bad parenting because parenting is not easy. renee well, that's what i think. so you know, i mean, i'm a parent. uh, josh is a parent and as this sounds very labour ish now, but as a society , we we're all parents. you know, i don't know if you've got nieces or nephews or a godchildren. you know, we all have a responsibility here. i think there is an element of this sometimes where you do need to be cruel to be kind. this to be cruel to be kind. so this sort of very basic language does cut what it does. cut through. yes. what it does. um fortunately, is it takes one part of the problem and chucks it bus. now, we do it under the bus. now, we do need to tackle that. i absolutely agree about sure start. i think back start. and i think back to basics of the basics was the start of the stuff that new labour introduced

. and there are all good policies . the thing is they cost policies. the thing is they cost money. yes it all takes up resources . so that's why i talk resources. so that's why i talk about the you know, i don't usually talk in this in this way, but the collective responsibility for making sure society brings up children correctly, and that is back to bafics correctly, and that is back to basics. i mean, is it the case that poverty explains bad parenting? possibly has a big part of it? we've got a lot because then the struggle is harder. not just it's not harder. it's not just it's not just it's cultural just poverty, it's cultural issues. , uh, issues. yeah, it's, uh, unfortunately, uh, physical abuse being repeated through, you know, when i was working for sure start the c files and it was the same cycle over and over again at 13, some would get pregnant and you would see like within 40 years, like four generations, three generations. and it would be these thick files and it would just be very few families. if you can put your resources onto these families who have these historical issues, it makes a big, big, big difference. >> okay . very interesting >> okay. very interesting debate. okay. let's move on to the guardian now. and it seems that being an mp isn't all

remote working and subsidised bars . bars. >> no, no, it's certainly not. i didn't know who to talk to mps on the hidden toll of their mental health. while a handful of politicians have openly discussed this decision , just discussed this decision, just their stress of the job, the scale of the problem appears to be far greater now. i think it's worth pointing out at this point that this is within the guardian, who don't exactly hold back having a go at back when they're having a go at tory and it's the same for , tory mps. and it's the same for, you know, probably the telegraph and the other you know, probably the telegraph and around. the other you know, probably the telegraph and around. however,e other you know, probably the telegraph and around. however, this1er you know, probably the telegraph and around. however, this is way around. however, this is a serious issue. >> yeah, the trouble >> yeah, but the trouble is, paul >> yeah, but the trouble is, paul, you for paul, that when you do run for office, you have to accept that you're going to be held up to scrutiny because because there's no actually, no other way. actually, no. for a to run, have to a democracy to run, you have to be scrutinise . be able to scrutinise. >> so i would say it's for not the faint no. and it is the faint hearted. no. and it is all about strength of character. and, unfortunately, all about strength of character. and,of unfortunately, all about strength of character. and,of stoicism unately, all about strength of character. and,of stoicism ,�*|ately, all about strength of character. and,of stoicism , um,y, all about strength of character. and,of stoicism , um, um, sort of stoicism, um, um, doesn't really exist anymore. it's not valued in the same way it used to be. we capitulate, probably too quickly. >> but i also do have sympathy, and with mps,

and i always have with mps, because think really because i do think it's a really hard know we can all hard job. and i know we can all be very critical about the people are kind of people who are kind of like vocational mps they're vocational mps or they're not vocational mps or they're not vocational know, they vocational mps. you know, they they careerist you they are careerist mps and you know, sort of thing. know, that sort of thing. but even the amount of work, even then, the amount of work, the amount of pressure, the amount of public scrutiny, it's really not it's an really not surely it's not an easy there are ministers who >> and there are ministers who are here and so i think are quoted here and so i think their workload is even greater. and have responsibility and you have that responsibility then their then they're talking about their constituents and, um, and then if you imagine if the thick of it or something has. yeah if it's anywhere near 50% truth and people screaming at you and they abuse and, and the fear and, and also think for some of them it also i think for some of them it sounds like what a few of them have quoted basically say have quoted here basically say i got into this to make a difference. realised difference. uh, then i realised that the system is rigged. so now i take drugs and just, i mean, the stuff i hear about i'm reading between the lines here. no, this joke, putting up no, but this joke, putting up the gist the joke, but that's the gist of it. there's something to it. >> there's something to it. i mean, spoken to couple mean, i've spoken to a couple of mps told me about mps who who have told me about the goes behind mps who who have told me about the scenes. goes behind mps who who have told me about the scenes. you>es behind

mps who who have told me about the scenes. you wouldn'thind mps who who have told me about the scenes. you wouldn't believe the scenes. you wouldn't believe the of machiavellianism, the kind of machiavellianism, the kind of machiavellianism, the nepotism the playing, the nepotism, the games playing, the nepotism, the games playing, the kind of power. the shakespeare kind of power. plays like that stuff is real. and it it sounds like it's just a job. i would never want to do. no, we put we put mps , no, we put we put mps, celebrities, well—known people , celebrities, well—known people, we put them on pedestals and we judge them. >> we judge them by a paradigm that doesn't exist . but also on >> we judge them by a paradigm thatof)esn't exist . but also on >> we judge them by a paradigm thatof that, exist . but also on >> we judge them by a paradigm thatof that, there's but also on >> we judge them by a paradigm thatof that, there's the also on >> we judge them by a paradigm thatof that, there's the extra on top of that, there's the extra toxicity now we have of online stuff and of just politics in general , all down this general, all going down this much sort of polarised much more sort of polarised routine. and you have something like mike frear, who's the mp for, um , uh, for golders green. for, um, uh, for golders green. he had his office, a suspected arson attack . he's been getting arson attack. he's been getting threats for, basically for him defending israel , threats for, basically for him defending israel, a threats for, basically for him defending israel , a democratic defending israel, a democratic state. yeah. and uh, but that's not to say we know if that's what it is, but we know that these online threats can be real. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and certainly his office has been burnt down. >> yeah. absolutely horrific. okay telegraph now and a politician suggesting that another politician isn't doing a good that can't be right. good job. that can't be right. no crazy uh, scotland moving

politically backwards under the snp says alex salmond, who used to be the leader of the snp. >> basically this is alex salmond being just the jilted ex and he's just dishing all the dirt and he's angry and he's bitter and he's saying, oh, he doesn't give it to you like i used to. yeah, but scotland on the on the other hand, that wasn't a joke . wasn't a joke. >> on the hand, he has he >> on the other hand, he has he has point he. if has got a point hasn't he. if the snp's raison d'etre is to achieve, independence from achieve, uh, independence from the uk. right. just statistically in terms of the polling under alex salmond, they were doing much better in that particular cause than what happened under nicola sturgeon and subsequently humza yousaf. happened under nicola sturgeon ancthissequently humza yousaf. happened under nicola sturgeon ancthis isquently humza yousaf. happened under nicola sturgeon ancthis is an ntly humza yousaf. happened under nicola sturgeon ancthis is an amazing za yousaf. happened under nicola sturgeon ancthis is an amazing thinngaf. happened under nicola sturgeon ancthis is an amazing thing that happened under nicola sturgeon anc'happened. |mazing thing that happened under nicola sturgeon anc'happened. he'sng thing that happened under nicola sturgeon anc'happened. he's he thing that happened under nicola sturgeon anc'happened. he's he is ng that happened under nicola sturgeon anc'happened. he's he is ng th .t has happened. he's he is right. of course. have governed of course. they have governed terribly . uh, but it needs to terribly. uh, but it needs to happen. terribly. uh, but it needs to happen . the snp has to implode happen. the snp has to implode for the good of scotland because it's a one party state. yeah. and for the good of the uk because it just doesn't work. having this like one issue to run your entire country. >> no. and it also means that other issues get smuggled in

like trans like like like the trans issue, like the issue , which the gender ideology issue, which was supported. the was never supported. the majority of scottish did majority of scottish voters did not support the idea men in not support the idea of men in women's prisons, snp women's prisons, but the snp railroaded it through anyway because the majority of mps supported scotland supported it. you know, scotland deserves better than the snp curse. >> scotland going yeah, maybe. i mean he did run didn't he. he did run. yes he they should have voted uh alas we voted him in and uh well alas we can't force people. voted him in and uh well alas we canwe)rce people. voted him in and uh well alas we canwe can'teople. voted him in and uh well alas we canwe can't force. voted him in and uh well alas we canwe can't force comedians here. >> if only we could. yeah, i think that would be called a dictatorship. scotland dictatorship. um look, scotland deserves better. they they raise on debt, as you rightly say, for , for, for the snp and the alba party. let's face it, is scottish independence. but what they've tried to do is get it through by any means possible , through by any means possible, by using any popular , coolest by using any popular, coolest idea floating around was just a really good party, and maybe they could have lost all integrity. >> now, you know what? if they'd have governed better? yeah they. yeah. then maybe things would have that's have been anyway, i think that's essentially have been anyway, i think that's essenwell, then he's probably okay well, then he's probably right well it for right. okay. well that's it for part join us after the part two. so join us after the break sobriety. tags the

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radio. >> welcome back to headlines as we're going to start this section with the telegraph news that prison is not the best place to do your master's degree. >> who would thought it? >> who would have thought it? hey, malkin's, hey, this is andrew malkin's, and was the guy and remember, he was the guy who was jailed rape for was wrongly jailed for rape for 17 horrible story years. actually, the biggest part of that tragedy is the guy that they had the dna for. that proved it wasn't andrew. proved that it wasn't andrew. they had that in year three of his sentence. i read today in this story. so 14 years of that sentence, this is why there's a huge investigation going on. by the this is not story. the way, this is not the story. >> well, how did it get held up out interest? out of interest? >> now an investigation >> there is now an investigation going why i don't going on to find out why i don't know, that is shocking. >> case, while he >> but in this case, while he was falsely was in prison, falsely imprisoned, effectively was in prison, falsely imprisonyfor effectively was in prison, falsely imprisonyfor degreeffectively was in prison, falsely imprisonyfor degreeffe> say , and um, much to >> and i say, and um, much to his surprise, to not mine at

all, that the staff were not very supportive. um they weren't very supportive. um they weren't very keen on people doing higher education, really. and they would put obstacles in their way . he makes out this was on radio four. he made this on the today programme. i think today i think today. so if you're watching this tomorrow, i mean, um, friday, the upshot is that he managed to complete this master's, but that against the really the will of the prison is what he's saying in that that is really shocking to me because i would that you would have thought that you would have thought that you would want prison officer, would want as a prison officer, you would want them to be doing stuff like this. >> i mean, maybe there's yeah, the might, we're the system might, but we're talking about individual officers, talking about individual officeimagine number one might >> i imagine number one might actually to actually think it's a threat to them. why because maybe they're going, guy to going, i don't want this guy to be cleverer than me. oh i see, you at like , someone to you know, at like, someone to be, like, snooty and more knowledgeable . well, just like knowledgeable. well, just like me you the time. me talking to you all the time. it's like it's a pain, but isn't the point that better you the point that you better if you if use the time to if you can use the time to better system better yourself. so the system might to the might want people to it. and the other is that like any

other thing is that like any job, everybody just wants to get away amount of away with the least amount of work. so they don't want be work. so they don't want to be like guards don't work. so they don't want to be like to guards don't work. so they don't want to be like to goingiards don't work. so they don't want to be like to going tois don't work. so they don't want to be like to going to get)n't work. so they don't want to be like to going to get int work. so they don't want to be like to going to get in a want to be going to get in a rubber protractor, rubber and a protractor, whatever it is. >> that's easier than >> i thought, that's easier than like people the like policing people out in the yard. each other. they yard. shanking each other. they want smuggle in drugs want to like, smuggle in drugs up bum and things i would up their bum and things i would have this is easier. have thought this is easier. someone a library someone sitting in a library i would easier to would have thought is easier to police mean, he said. police than i mean, he said. >> his admission, he was >> by his own admission, he was a was studious. he a nerd. he was studious. he wanted . this was an wanted to learn. this was an opportunity. was opportunity. he knew he was wrongly and wrongly convicted, i guess, and he wanted guest. he he just wanted to make guest. he was oh, i had was like, oh, i hope i had a really big out other really big night out the other night. wasn't me. but night. i hope it wasn't me. but what that he hadn't what i mean by that is he hadn't less than 1% of people get their murder convictions or rape convictions over. so he convictions turned over. so he was in many ways fortunate that he ended with justice on his he ended up with justice on his side . side. >> absolutely. okay. well, >> well, absolutely. okay. well, let's guardian let's move on to the guardian now. government are now. and the government are keeping offenders keeping a track of offenders drinking when they go straight. pauli drinking when they go straight. paul, i had even heard of this. >> no, i think this is really interesting. i'd never heard of it 30,000 it either. so nearly 30,000 offenders in england and wales wearing this wearing sobriety tags this christmas. so a number of

offenders were fitted with these sobriety tags. and the probation office can tell if they've been drinking essentially . drinking essentially. >> because it analyses >> so it's because it analyses their . yes. their sweat. yes. >> and it basically it >> right. and it basically it works on 97% of the people who wear these tags. so it stops them drinking. >> so presumably this is when their offences have been connected to alcohol consumption. i think. >> um, there's part of this >> so um, there's part of this i understand this is a this is a great deterrent. it's probably best people that are out great deterrent. it's probably berparole people that are out great deterrent. it's probably berparole or people that are out great deterrent. it's probably berparole or familye that are out great deterrent. it's probably berparole or family visits,are out great deterrent. it's probably berparole or family visits, as out on parole or family visits, as they from , from more open they do from, from more open prisons the end of their prisons towards the end of their sentences. it's best have sentences. it's best to have them you don't really them sober. you don't really want and cause want them to go and cause themselves problems, themselves any more problems, but there's this of but there's this kind of libertarian that just libertarian within me that just really difficult really finds it difficult watching other humans be controlled. i know they're criminals , and they may well criminals, and they may well have done something totally worthy of being tagged up, but there's something i just i don't know what do feel? am i just know what do you feel? am i just alone i hear alone here? no, no, no, i hear you, but i said, 39% you, man. but like i said, 39% of all violent crime in the uk involves and involves alcohol. yeah, and that's including domestic abuse.

involves alcohol. yeah, and that�*especially; domestic abuse. involves alcohol. yeah, and that�*especially during stic abuse. involves alcohol. yeah, and that�*especially during the abuse. and especially during the festive it makes festive period. so it makes sense. i get this is about sense. i get you this is about control. but arguably when someone's committed crimes , yes, someone's committed crimes, yes, the on preventing the onus is on preventing further crimes. certainly violent crimes towards other people. so like in all of these things, you have the rights of the individual versus the rights of society. we'd have to deal with with alcohol with somebody with an alcohol problem. wouldn't they presumably want this because they don't go back to prison. >> so and if they're aware that alcohol is the thing that stimulates any stimulates so there isn't any kickback making kickback other than me making some um, liberty some sort of, um, liberty comment about controlling humans, of course, some comment about controlling humans,need of course, some comment about controlling humans,need to »f course, some comment about controlling humans,need to be ourse, some comment about controlling humans,need to be controlleda comment about controlling humans,need to be controlled or humans need to be controlled or not, you know. well, prison, not a controlling human society. so and i agree with prison. >> so and i agree with prison. so yeah , no one's kicking back so yeah, no one's kicking back at this seems to be at this. and this seems to be working very well. and if you sorry i notice sorry i'll just say i notice they for no, they don't do it for weed. no, i think because that well it doesn't that doesn't cause crime. >> well, that's what i'm saying is they're not going to have >> well, that's what i'm saying is tray're not going to have >> well, that's what i'm saying is tray're nc detector. 0 have like a weed detector. >> no, they're just be like, oh yeah, chilled. yeah, you're chilled. >> it's a choice >> yeah. and if it's a choice between someone's between controlling someone's alcohol consumption, which i agree does deprive them of a certain degree of liberty and then in a box which

then locking them in a box which is worse. >> all the liberty gone. >> all the liberty gone. >> all the liberty gone. >> all that. you know, >> yeah. all that. you know, maybe this is i you're maybe this is i think you're right. on to right. okay, let's move on to the times and labour attacking private schools . john. yes. private schools. john. yes. >> uh, i think it's telegraph here. oh, is it the telegraph? >> sorry. we're going to lose a third of parents, but like you've got to, will lose you've got to, we will lose a third of parents. >> the private schools facing closure under labour's tax plans. proposed 20% vat plans. labour's proposed 20% vat tax on top of private school fees, which is not presently charged. the idea is that that money would then be put into the national education system, and then you've got a lot of private schools here. go. no, they schools here. go. oh no, they people they've £30,000 people got they've got £30,000 a yeah people got they've got £30,000 a year. to year. they're going to be charged my charged an extra £6,000. my argument be if you can argument would be if you can afford that level already. now they're saying that like a third of their pupils might have to go. yes. i think they're overegging it a little bit. think. >> yeah, that's surely not true. >> yeah, that's surely not true. >> i feel like are a lot >> i feel like there are a lot of people out there, of super rich people out there, and another six grand is if you can 30 grand, you can can afford 30 grand, you can afford grand. that's to afford 36 grand. yeah, that's to my the case. >> although keep hearing those

>> although i keep hearing those sort a couple of sort of. i read a couple of articles parents saying, oh, sort of. i read a couple of article reallyarents saying, oh, sort of. i read a couple of article really struggled ng, oh, sort of. i read a couple of article really struggled to, oh, sort of. i read a couple of article really struggled to put. we've really struggled to put our private school. our kids through private school. we'll this year. yeah. we'll go skiing this year. yeah. stuff like that. we'll go skiing this year. yeah. stu we ke that. we'll go skiing this year. yeah. stu we canhat. we'll go skiing this year. yeah. stu we can do. we'll go skiing this year. yeah. stuwe can do. you we'll go skiing this year. yeah. stu we can do. you know what? >> we can do. you know what? you'd imagine you'd probably imagine me on the panel this sort of panel as kind of this sort of working class . don't panel as kind of this sort of working class. don't imagine it. no, don't imagine it is actually true. i have never held any resentment anyone who's resentment about anyone who's gone to private school. gone to a private school. i think it's aspiration, i think it's an aspiration, i think, aspiration think, and it's an aspiration that available. and of that should be available. and of course, aspiration is the enemy of i'm not a huge of socialism. i'm not a huge socialist by any stretch of the imagination, so i feel like i always want to push back against this probably are this stuff. there probably are families that do struggle to pay the grand a year to this the 22 grand a year to put this in, it's to go up to 30 in, and if it's to go up to 30 and all that it does and we all know that it does give a distinct give these kids a distinct advantage, i don't know if either two to either of you two went to a private school. i never benefited from it. did you? yeah, and you benefit. yeah, yeah. and you benefit. we've up in the same place we've ended up in the same place . am so thick. you're not . i am so thick. you're not thick. you're nothing. no, but my level of entitlement keeps me . you know, i think. >> i mean, you're right. . you know, i think. >> i mean, you're right . you >> i mean, you're right. you will a better education will have had a better education than . because i

than us because. because i taught at a private school, even though go to a private though i didn't go to a private school. difference school. so i know the difference is quite it's there's quite a chasm. absolutely. is quite it's there's quite a chai�*n. absolutely. is quite it's there's quite a chai�*n. abzmore ly. the >> i think more than the education, uh, level of teachers standard or whatever. it's just you get this kind of like, oh, listen to me, because you just get you get confidence. confidence. yes. yeah i don't even know the word confidence. but but but but you embody it. >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> we know you've got loads of got confidence having a big willy. >> okay. let's move on. >>— >> okay. let's move on. >> that's not true. that's a joke. that was a joke. don't >> that's not true. that's a joke. quote/as a joke. don't >> that's not true. that's a joke. quote me. joke. don't >> that's not true. that's a joke. quote me. don't don't >> that's not true. that's a joke. quote me. don't cut 't >> that's not true. that's a joke. quote me. don't cut metro. don't quote me. don't cut metro. do not come to my house and measure me. okay that was a joke. >> okay? we're still with the times now. and the pope is on a liberal journey. soon he will be to off to find himself. to off bali to find himself. probably. yes >> looking that way, isn't it? he pope francis shows he is 87. pope francis shows little sign of slowing down on his liberal journey. as you said . so despite his health, scares and he continues to and being 87, he continues to confound his conservative critics. yes. now, whatever you might think of the catholic church , maybe even this pope, church, maybe even this pope, the bedrock of catholicism is

its consistency with the word of the bible. yes. and what pope francis in particular seems to be doing, for better or worse . be doing, for better or worse. i'm not drawing a judgement on that.is i'm not drawing a judgement on that. is rhiannon interpreting the bible to bring the catholic church into the 21st century, into this progressive era. and i don't know if that's such a good thing. i think one of the values of being within the catholic church or the protestant church or the jewish faith is there is church or the protestant church 0|bedrock ish faith is there is church or the protestant church 0|bedrock on faith is there is church or the protestant church 0|bedrock on which s there is church or the protestant church 0|bedrock on which youzre is church or the protestant church 0|bedrock on which you rely; church or the protestant church 0|bedrock on which you rely and a bedrock on which you rely and to try and make that progressive. sorry, disagree progressive. sorry, i disagree with that he's, you know, with you in that he's, you know, the catholic church doesn't base their stuff on the bible. they base stuff on the synod base their stuff on the synod or whatever rules that whatever it is. the rules that they made of years they made hundreds of years later . so this them they made hundreds of years later. so this them . you later. so this is them. you know, there's nothing in the bible saying that priests or holy men can't be married , for holy men can't be married, for example. that is purely a catholic church creation. in fact, the torah , the fibre, it's fact, the torah, the fibre, it's all about procreation, procreation. so so a rabbi is famously have a lot of kids, you

know. so but there is stuff in the bible about homosexuality for instance. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and that's that's 100% >> and that's and that's 100% right. joke >> there we go. yeah. but that's the um, the thing that, um, pope francis, know how francis, i don't know how liberal he really is. i mean, you know he said you know, he hasn't said anything that's anything to my mind. that's really contradicts of really contradicts the age of consent . consent. >> should be over 13 for goodness sake . goodness sake. >> like, go on, paul, no , he >> like, go on, paul, no, he seems to be less against homosexuality than the previous catholic preaching has never been that homosexuality itself is sinful. it's at the act is sinful, not because of homosexuality , but because all homosexuality, but because all sexual acts outside of wedlock are sinful. that's the reason it's lesbians. it's myself. >> i wasn't going to say this, but i fear that pope francis is a little performed . i've really a little performed. i've really i do just don't think he means what he says. i know. well, he may well be. i don't think he necessarily means it. i think that it's a committee based system, and they're saying the things think other people things they think other people want that's wow . want to hear. well, that's wow. and genuinely and unfortunately, i genuinely i believe the believe that. but also the ordaining as ordaining of married men as

priests that unfortunately priests, that is unfortunately that's to be that's he's not going to be tackling his papacy. tackling that during his papacy. so out. i'm very upset so that's me out. i'm very upset about that . yeah ready to go. >> oh well. oh well never mind. well that's the end of part three. get bed yet three. don't get to bed yet because three we'll be because in part three we'll be discussing mistake discussing google's big mistake dangerous diets and generation z taste in entertainment. see you shortly

welcome back to headliners, your first look at saturday's newspapers , the metro. now some newspapers, the metro. now some people finding ricky gervais offensive of what? >> ricky gervais is . thanks >> ricky gervais is. thanks whiners for making controversial netflix special a huge hit . uh, netflix special a huge hit. uh, this is it's becoming a sort of yearly event now, really. he released a special everybody whines all the far left and wokies and krankies and whoever goes , oh my god, this is goes, oh my god, this is disgusting. and it becomes a big hit. i don't think it's become a big because they're whining big hit because they're whining about think it's just about it. i think it's just because people like and it's because people like it and it's funny. i haven't seen this

year's one. i saw the last one. i haven't seen this year's one because is, friend, uh, because is, um, my friend, uh, who stealing her who i've been stealing her netflix . it got cut off. and netflix. it got cut off. and then her dad died, and i haven't been able to ask. >> shouldn't really be >> you shouldn't really be admitting that on. >> dad, you know >> okay, well, my dad, you know what? won't let me. what? my dad won't even let me. his. think i should what? my dad won't even let me. his. you think i should what? my dad won't even let me. his. you think think i should what? my dad won't even let me. his. you think should i should what? my dad won't even let me. his. you think should i shford do? you think i should pay for it? think, think, yeah, >> i think, i think, yeah, i think avoiding ricky. >> i like ricky gervais, but not that what about. >> i like ricky gervais, but not thai what about. >> i like ricky gervais, but not thai mean, what about. >> i like ricky gervais, but not thai mean, he, what about. >> i like ricky gervais, but not thai mean, he, wirickyout. >> i like ricky gervais, but not thai mean, he, wiricky gervais >> i mean, he, uh, ricky gervais said, armageddons. said, uh armageddons. huge thanks and thanks to everyone who loved and raved course, raved about it. and of course, everyone and whined raved about it. and of course, everycit. and whined raved about it. and of course, everycit. you and whined raved about it. and of course, everycit. you all and whined raved about it. and of course, everycit. you all played whined raved about it. and of course, everycit. you all played your1ed raved about it. and of course, everythere»u all played your1ed raved about it. and of course, everythere is all played your1ed raved about it. and of course, everythere is al played your1ed raved about it. and of course, everythere is a to layed your1ed raved about it. and of course, everythere is a to layedbe ur1ed part. there is a to case be made. i mean, i've seen some of the tweeting the way people are tweeting about like they are the about it. it's like they are the angeris about it. it's like they are the anger is even worse than last yeah anger is even worse than last year. i think every year they get more intense and get more and more intense and more insane . more insane. >> sort of, uh, >> i wrote a sort of, uh, provocative , uh, tweet about it provocative, uh, tweet about it yesterday , sort of, sort of yesterday, sort of, sort of pointing out you know, the fact that this is a meritocracy. the judges of his comedy are his audience, are huge . i also audience, which are huge. i also believe that ricky gervais is the perfect comedic anecdote for our times , because as were our times, because as we were discussing in the break, he's

uncancelable . yeah, he's got uncancelable. yeah, he's got a massive audience now . you can massive audience now. you can argue till the cows come home and i'm more than happy to. whether he's the comedian whether he's the best comedian in the moment, in the world at the moment, that's very subjective, he's that's very subjective, but he's certainly that's very subjective, but he's certainow. and one of the right now. and one of the reasons he is, is he goes at subjects very straight. yeah, very straight . he holds that very straight. he holds that mirror up and he says the thing you're not expecting to hear the type of thing made us all type of thing that made us all laugh we were young laugh when we were young lads and say, you know, and people would say, you know, it's of surprise . it's the element of surprise. yeah, there's edginess to i hate to use that don't see to use that word. i don't see him edgelord . it's him as some edgelord. it's cleverer an edgelord. he's cleverer than an edgelord. he's not deliberately he not deliberately trying to. he is provocative. >> is a refreshing element >> there is a refreshing element to mean, that the clip to it. i mean, that the clip that viral last was that went viral last year was when about, uh, when he was talking about, uh, the trans issue, and it was brilliant , actually. brilliant, actually. >> it was incredibly insightful . >> it was incredibly insightful. yeah. it really it was yeah. because it really it was a perfect bit of comedy because it had cake ate it in terms had his cake and ate it in terms of and he really it was obvious by the like using terf by some of the like using terf or, know, he showed the or, you know, he showed the aggression of these people who are basically advocating for male rapists to be in jails and

whatnot. >> what worries me is this, this the literal mindedness, the inability to just say, look, that's a joke that isn't to my taste. so therefore i just won't watch it. rather than going and screaming and saying he should stop understand the stop and i don't understand the leap make leap that you make psychologically from something that's just not your cup of tea to everyone else to i must stop everyone else from listening to this. >> his words violence . words >> his words is violence. words is because it's because is violence because it's because it goes what we were it goes back to what we were talking earlier, about talking about earlier, about control. say control. and there you say they're frenzied this year control. and there you say they're theyfrenzied this year control. and there you say they're they they ed this year control. and there you say they're they they sent|is year control. and there you say they're they they sent all'ear control. and there you say they're they they sent all the because they they sent all the tweets year. they showed tweets last year. they showed all the and we see every all the stuff. and we see every year have this heale year we have this james heale a clip calling out , clip of him calling out, supposedly hsi , i supposedly now james hsi, i think it's a brilliant, brilliant stand up. like if you've seen specials, like you've seen his specials, like his brilliant. his hour, they are brilliant. the clip they show the bit that the clip they show is of the most pathetic bits is one of the most pathetic bits of, comedy. it's of, and not even comedy. it's just him being just like it's him being performative . someone said performative. and someone said something was something that i thought was very on twitter, very incisive today on twitter, they said, the thing that fails about that, james acaster bit, where saying, where he's basically saying, oh, look the look at me. like taking the mickey comedy and mickey out of edgy comedy and whatever. is that actually, in terms talking about trans terms of talking about trans issues that this

issues and whatnot, is that this whole punching up, punching down thing, which hate and thing, which i hate anyway, and i don't with? yeah, it's i don't agree with? yeah, it's like you're punching like saying that you're punching down if you're discussing about trans people. but the reality is a lot of what we now understand or what they're trying to say, trans people are, are actually men are fighting, fighting men who are fighting, fighting to get into women's spaces . now, to get into women's spaces. now, that isn't punching down. if you are then calling out, yes, are then calling that out, yes, because , i mean, ricky gervais because, i mean, ricky gervais is talking phenomenon is talking about this phenomenon of women's single—sex spaces being depleted. >> a sense , to defend that >> so in a sense, to defend that even comedically. well is punching isn't it? i would punching up, isn't it? i would i would say so. >> he also has i have the >> he also has i have seen the special time. he's special this time. i think he's a about the a very good bit about the immigration issue. and i think anyone seen it would say anyone who's seen it would say there's good as there's a pretty good bit as well . and it's a bit well. and it's a good bit because it's we've got because it's right. we've got this emperor's clothes this whole emperor's clothes situation on where we're situation going on where we're not allowed certain not allowed to say certain things . and gervais, things. and ricky gervais, especially this channel. especially on this channel. well, exactly. mean, going well, exactly. i mean, going back to the people who dislike it, not being it, they're just not happy being critics. want to be critics. they want to be dictators, they'll not say, i dictators, so they'll not say, i don't like it. they'll say, i

don't like it. they'll say, i don't like it. they'll say, i don't like it, and i don't want anyone else to watch it either. that's way far . that's a step way too far. >> that's the fundamental problem we're problem with it. okay we're going now to the going to move on now to the metro. expensive breach metro. and an expensive breach of trust at google. >> yeah , google settles a £5 >> yeah, google settles a £5 billion claim. $5 billion claim. should i say over searches for intimate and embarrassing things .japanese intimate and embarrassing things . japanese women, lovely . uh, so . japanese women, lovely. uh, so google has agreed to settle a us lawsuit claiming it's storm babet lovely. came from, uh, secretly tracked millions of people who thought they were browsing privately through its incognito mode between 2016 and 2020. now they're talking about each person that's made a claim or get $5,000. the idea is, wait a minute, the incognito mode. >> uh, everyone knows that. that doesn't actually mean that they can't track you. >> what? well this is the point. this is the point. well the reason they're able to be successful is that's exactly what they thought. they're what they thought. and they're going, called it going, well, you've called it incognito. thought we could going, well, you've called it incogsome thought we could going, well, you've called it incogsome specialt we could going, well, you've called it incogsome special alone ould going, well, you've called it incogsome special alone times have some special alone times without out.

without the wife finding out. and turns out it doesn't go and it turns out it doesn't go on your search history. >> still google still on your search history. >> the still google still on your search history. >> the force l google still on your search history. >> the force . google still have the force. >> that a big tech >> the idea that a big tech company like google are going to do help users do something to help their users is , um, what i think i think is, um, what i think i think there's a charming article because they very quickly they just like, oh, now, just say they're like, oh, now, now going know now people are going to know what and what what your hobbies are and what you to eat you you like to eat and what you watch. come on. we know what we use incognito use that incognito for. >> over. >> okay, show's nearly over. let's look at let's have a quick look at saturday's front pages . so the let's have a quick look at saturymail front pages . so the let's have a quick look at saturymail hast pages . so the let's have a quick look at saturymail has mostes . so the let's have a quick look at saturymail has most poignante daily mail has most poignant honours of all. the guardian courts and nhs will not recover until 2030. the telegraph is leading with uk ramps up. ukraine arms after kyiv attack. the mirror. heroes and zeros. that's the new year's honours list. the times sent jogging by the boss to keep you fit for work. daily star has hey work. and the daily star has hey nice beavers, saving britain that's all we've got time for. thanks so much to my guests paul cox josh howie . steve allen cox and josh howie. steve allen will here tomorrow with will be here tomorrow with cressida and nick dixon, cressida wetton and nick dixon, and if you're watching the 5 am, repeat right now, then a.m, repeat right now, then please stay tuned because it's time breakfast. time for breakfast. >> japanese brighter

>> japanese with a brighter outlook solar , the outlook with boxt solar, the sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> good evening, i'm alex burkill. here's your latest gb news weather forecast. there will be some frost around tonight before wet and windy weather arrives in time for the weekend. that's in association with a deep area of low pressure currently out in the atlantic. this will sweep its way in across the uk as we go through the next 24 hours or so, ahead of that, some quieter weather for a time , as many of the for a time, as many of the daytime showers ease and clear away, leaving some clear skies for many. but a very wet and windy picture towards the far north—east of scotland tonight , north—east of scotland tonight, under the clear skies, particularly towards eastern parts, turn quite parts, likely to turn quite chilly . touch of frost in the chilly. a touch of frost in the south, a widespread frost south, a widespread harsh frost across scotland, so a across parts of scotland, so a bit of a frosty start first thing saturday morning. but thing on saturday morning. but then turning increasingly wet and windy as this system makes its way in. pushing northeastwards as we go through

the as that rain hits the the day. as that rain hits the cold air over scotland , we are cold air over scotland, we are likely see some significant likely to see some significant snow could more than ten snow could see more than ten centimetres in some places over the ground could cause the higher ground could cause some disruption. here some travel disruption. here elsewhere, picture elsewhere, an unsettled picture but quite mild towards the south. highs of around 12 celsius looking ahead towards new year's eve and for many it is going to be a blustery day, stronger winds towards the south, here. quite south, risk of gales here. quite a few showers around but a calmer picture across scotland . calmer picture across scotland. some dry weather here and mostly light though again towards light winds though again towards the it is the far north—east. it is looking wet and windy as we go into beginning of new into the beginning of the new yeah into the beginning of the new year. looks like it year. actually looks like it will be largely dry, but that may last that long by that may not last that long by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

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i >> -- >> so welcome to another brilliant show. we're back here at the golden diamond club in nashville. the award winning golden diamond. and we've got a very guest tonight very special guest on tonight that's former cabinet minister edwina lefts at edwina currie. also our lefts at the bar of matthew laza. he's up in ashfield again. we've got lisa and trade unionist lisa mckenzie and trade unionist andy and emily barley andy mcdonald and emily barley will tell her heartbreaking story about the loss of her child barnsley hospital. but child at barnsley hospital. but first, go to the . news. first, let's go to the. news. good evening . good evening. >> i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom in poland, says a russian missile likely entered its airspace . according to the its airspace. according to the head of the polish armed forces,

both poland and nato's radar system spotted an unidentified aerial object over the country's territory . nato secretary territory. nato secretary general jens stoltenberg says the military alliance stands in solid charity with poland, and that it remains vigilant. it's understood groups of soldiers are performing on the ground verification of the missile's flight path . here in the uk, the flight path. here in the uk, the government has promised to send around 200 air defence missiles to ukraine after russia launched a massive air attack overnight night. it comes as rishi sunak condemned the russian president for the latest bombardment, saying that putin will stop at nothing to eradicate freedom and democracy . officials say 31 democracy. officials say 31 civilians have been killed and at least 120 injured following a series of attacks on critical infrastructure and military facilities . as one person has facilities. as one person has died in scotland following an outbreak of e coli, it's after the uk health security agency