discussing all tonight's topics with me are my brilliant panel. joining me tonight are paul cox, diane spencer and lewis oakley. but first, let's get your latest news and headlines from sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. new year's plans have been ruined for thousands of people after eurostar cancelled all trains to and from london, causing travel chaos, the company apologised after a tunnel was flooded , after a tunnel was flooded, apparently caused by a burst pipe apparently caused by a burst pipe connected to the fire safety system . up to 35,000 safety system. up to 35,000 passengers have been affected, with many left stranded at

london's saint pancras station. some took to social media to vent their frustrations, saying they were only told of the cancellations at 8:00 this morning . and forecasters are morning. and forecasters are warning people to take care ahead of new year celebrations . ahead of new year celebrations. heavy rain and strong winds are expected in many parts of the country, with parts of scotland likely to see significant levels of snow. the met office says yellow alerts are in place until 3 am. tomorrow. ukraine has struck a series of targets in russia , killing 14 people and russia, killing 14 people and injuring more than 100 others. it comes after russia carried out its most devastating air attack since the invasion began . attack since the invasion began. ukraine says the brutality of the strikes , which killed 31 the strikes, which killed 31 people, shows there can be no talk of a truce with moscow . talk of a truce with moscow. russia requested a meeting of the united nations security council today, despite most members condemning russia's actions at an emergency gathering last night, actions at an emergency gathering last night , the uk's gathering last night, the uk's representative, barbara woodward, says russia is deliberately targeting civilians

i >> -- >> these missile shells were aimed at populated town centres across ukraine, at kyiv , lviv to across ukraine, at kyiv, lviv to dnipro , odesa, kharkiv . kaminski dnipro, odesa, kharkiv. kaminski and many more cities . they and many more cities. they struck homes , apartment struck homes, apartment buildings , shopping centres and buildings, shopping centres and metro and maternity hospital and a regional oncology centre have been damaged and in short , been damaged and in short, civilian infrastructure . civilian infrastructure. >> a murder investigation has been launched after a 29 year old man was stabbed in northwest london. emergency crews were called to a scene at the abbey estate near saint john's wood, just after 730 on friday evening . the victim, who hasn't been named , was taken to hospital but named, was taken to hospital but he later died. a cordon is in place near the famous abbey road crossing, while detectives investigate. arrests have yet investigate. no arrests have yet been made . police may be facing

been made. police may be facing renewed scrutiny over the huge amounts of crimes that haven't been solved this year , new been solved this year, new figures reveal. there were 4.7 million unsolved crimes in 2023. that's almost 86% of those reported . 1.7 million were of reported. 1.7 million were of a violent nature , with a further violent nature, with a further million down to criminal damage or arson. in many cases , police or arson. in many cases, police failed to find a suspect . labour failed to find a suspect. labour says the conservatives record on solving crimes is disgraceful , solving crimes is disgraceful, and has accused government and has accused the government of criminals off of letting criminals off and victims down. a shameless cronyism and a slap in the face to working people. just two criticisms of liz truss's resignation honours list. britain's shortest serving prime minister has handed out 11 peerages to political allies, tory donors and former aides, which amounts to around one for every four days in office. labour says honours should be for public service, not rewarding tory failure . liz rewarding tory failure. liz truss resigned last october after 49 days amid economic

turmoil sparked by her so—called mini—budget meanwhile dame shirley bassey has been given the highest award in the king's new year honours list. the legendary singer is the 64th living member of the order of the companions of honour. in recognition of her services to music, it's limited to 65 members at any one time. dame shirley has sold 135 million records worldwide . glastonbury records worldwide. glastonbury festival founder michael eavis and wetherspoons boss tim martin are among those knighted, and there are damehoods for author jilly cooper and mp siobhan mcdonagh and the british actor tom wilkinson has died . born tom wilkinson has died. born into a farming family in yorkshire, he won fans for his role in the classic comedy the full monty . he was nominated for full monty. he was nominated for an academy award twice and he took home a golden globe in 2009 for his portrayal of benjamin franklin in hbo's acclaimed miniseries john adams. singer will young has paid tribute to

him as a british acting royalty . him as a british acting royalty. tom wilkinson was 75. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play gb news . play gb news. >> welcome to the saturday night showdown on tim martin, the boss of wetherspoon has been knighted in the new year honours list and lefties are furious about it. he's a brexit backing gammon. they shriek . he's guilty of the they shriek. he's guilty of the crime of britishness. coincidentally, you can buy gammon, egg and chips for about £3 in a spoons. these socialist nurses can't believe that tim has been knighted. i can't believe tony blair was some lefties say that they're boycotting spoons as if they ever went there in the first place. they'd be terrified in case somebody like me spoke to them. most of them probably don't even drink because their wifes boyfriend doesn't let

them. and is haram for them. and alcohol is haram for muslims. so lefties probably think that pubs islamophobic think that pubs are islamophobic . but i think that a knighthood for tim martin is long overdue. well dyson found a way to make vacuum cleaners more expensive . vacuum cleaners more expensive. tim martin found a way to make beer cheaper as a scot, that's the kind of innovation i can get behind. but don't just love wetherspoons for their low, low prices. wetherspoons pubs give people dignity and community as a jobbing comedian, driving up and down the country, i always eat in spoons, hot food, big portions and it's served on a plate so you feel like a human being. look around and you'll see working men taking their families for a meal without the anxiety of having to pick the cheapest bottle of wine on the menu, or decide if they're having starters or desserts. haveit having starters or desserts. have it all in wetherspoons. everyone can live like a king and you see people socialising , and you see people socialising, pensioners catching up over free refills of coffee, lads getting around in and getting change out of a tenner .

around in and getting change out of a tenner. british around in and getting change out of a tenner . british society was of a tenner. british society was built on pubs in the old days most people didn't have kitchens at home, so the pub was where anyone could go to get hot food and an ale at an affordable price . not anymore. now most price. not anymore. now most pubs have priced themselves out of the reach of the working man. you go in and it's £12 for a soft boiled scotch egg and about £78 for a pint of overly hoppy craft lager. why have they got to craft lager, by the way, remember when they just made lager in a lager factory? instead crafting it in instead of crafting it in a microbrewery and it tasted delicious, like it's supposed to, like fizzy yellow lager. now it has to be crafted by people with expensive haircuts and moustaches and wallet chains , moustaches and wallet chains, and it tastes like washing up liquid and dried flowers. i don't want to drink detergent with an oxo cube in it, and the cartoon on the side. i want fizzy yellow lager for less than £2, wetherspoons delivers on £2, and wetherspoons delivers on that. eggs should that. also, scotch eggs should cost £0.79 for two. give you horrific heartburn and only be purchased from a petrol station. stop trying make them taste

stop trying to make them taste nice. food , it's nice. it's scottish food, it's not supposed to taste nice. also please don't too many scotch please don't eat too many scotch eggs. about eggs. i'm very worried about where generation where the next generation of scotch men is going to hatch from, and despite the low prices, wetherspoon generates huge amounts revenue for the huge amounts of revenue for the economy. tim martin is literally paying economy. tim martin is literally paying the salaries of the socialist nurses who treat him with such disdain . tim martin with such disdain. tim martin has paid £6.1 billion in tax over the last ten years, apparently , and employs over apparently, and employs over 40,000 staff who also pay tax. he supports businesses the length and breadth of the country, who also pay tax. if tim martin was a remainer, he'd be held aloft as a hero. but because he supported brexit, tim martin is a pariah to the chattering classes . compare him chattering classes. compare him to the darling of the left , gary to the darling of the left, gary lineker, who weasels out of paying lineker, who weasels out of paying his share as ever with the left. they don't care about what people do, only what they say . but they should love say. but they should love wetherspoons too . it functions wetherspoons too. it functions as a holding pen for oiks like me, keeping us out of the way of

the beautiful people and the wetherspoons is the pub of the future. obesity epidemic future. our obesity epidemic will by spoons will be tackled by spoons drinkers having to walk up seven flights of stairs to get to the toilet, and the sticky carpets will keep us tethered to the ground in low gravity. if we establish a colony on moon establish a colony on the moon or moon under water, as or the moon under water, as it'll be known, tim martin and wetherspoon i'll raise a pint to you . i am wetherspoon i'll raise a pint to you. i am joined wetherspoon i'll raise a pint to you . i am joined tonight by you. i am joined tonight by three brilliant comedians paul cox, diane spencer and lewis oakley. paul . you're a comedian. oakley. paul. you're a comedian. you you drive around the country a lot. do you like do you like wetherspoons as well? i like wetherspoons, if you know if i fancy a night out and fancy a fancy night out and i will go to wetherspoons. >> you know, don't think >> do you know, i don't think i've holiday and i've been on a uk holiday and not a wetherspoons not stopped for a wetherspoons breakfast way the last breakfast on the way in the last 15 obviously 15 years, which obviously determines in the class determines my place in the class structure for. >> yeah, but since you're a rarity , you actually an rarity, you actually like an expensive wetherspoons an

expensive wetherspoons at an airport. yeah. >> oh , i mean literally in the >> oh, i mean literally in the uk, don't go, can't uk, i don't go, i can't afford to abroad. so i to travel abroad. leo. so i 0 you just go to the airport and hang around abroad. i've gone recently is the isle of wight. but if i'm driving down to devon or something. yeah, quite or something. yeah, i'll quite happily wetherspoons happily stop in a wetherspoons with you know, buy with my family and you know, buy them people at them all by ten people at breakfast 49. yeah yeah. breakfast for £8. 49. yeah yeah. have up from the table to have to get up from the table to store it on the app. yeah. don't use up any valuable eating energy. the brilliant energy. that's the brilliant thing it, dan, you order thing about it, dan, you order on the app. >> i know, you know, lockdown and made it made it and covid made it made it trendy. martin trendy. but tim martin and wetherspoons were way, way out ahead and i that as ahead of it. and i love that as a, you know, as a comedian or travelling a, you know, as a comedian or travaou g a, you know, as a comedian or travaou don't need to worry can you don't need to worry about keep about your bags. you can keep them table with you in them at the table with you in order in the app and bring order in the app and they bring the it's the stuff to you. it's absolutely beautiful. >> he saves many >> and also he saves so many glorious what love glorious buildings. what i love about is my about the wetherspoons is my local one in surbiton has this incredible mural of planets . you incredible mural of planets. you go in and you , you're not sure go in and you, you're not sure what you're going to see, and then suddenly there's like this weird charlie chaplin filming

montage. around montage. you look around and there's this kind of solar system . yeah, it's system starscape. yeah, it's incredible. and every single spoons you go to seems to have a different kind of feel and a theme. and, um , a mate of mine theme. and, um, a mate of mine and i, were sat at the table and i, we were sat at the table before pandemic and the before all the pandemic and the lockdown, which another thing lockdown, which is another thing why , tim martin, is why i think he, tim martin, is getting was getting lambasted because he was a lockdown . a vocal critic against lockdown. yeah, because he was trying to save the hospitality industry, obviously. yeah. um, and, and when we discovered we could order it off the app, we sat there like , which is like, oh my god. >> so i just sit here and whine. appears was magic. appears it was just magic. >> and you can put your appears it was just magic. >> arnumber'ou can put your appears it was just magic. >> arnumber on can put your appears it was just magic. >> arnumber on socialrt your appears it was just magic. >> arnumber on social media and table number on social media and people will send you birthday gifts. no. yeah. it's amazing . gifts. no. yeah. it's amazing. >> i've actually had a birthday gift to you. i have yeah. gift sent to you. i have yeah. >> i was in liverpool. >> it was a i was in liverpool. we went to went to wetherspoons in liverpool, sorts in liverpool, sent all sorts of strange . strange things. >> yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> anybody to me >> if anybody wants to send me more do because more bitcoin please do because the stuff went down in the last stuff went down in value quickly. um lewis, do value very quickly. um lewis, do you think tim martin does get singled out for criticism because he supported brexit?

yeah i think so. >> i mean look i think that he's done a good job actually. i genuinely think he deserves it. he pays his keeps people in he pays his tax, keeps people in jobs. historic jobs. he saves historic buildings . and know i think buildings. and you know i think wetherspoons are a bit of a hub for people. right it's like if you if you don't have a lot of money and, know, a lot of money and, you know, a lot of people go there for the heat sometimes, if, they sometimes, like if, if they really put on, go there for really put on, they go there for the i think just the heat. so i think he just absorb like and then the heat. so i think he just abroffr like and then the heat. so i think he just abroffr their and then the heat. so i think he just abroffr their way. and then go off in their way. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> he's totally wrong. i used to work a wetherspoons and there work at a wetherspoons and there was who came every was a guy who came in every morning. he was there like waiting doors waiting for us to open the doors and specific pint and he'd get his specific pint of sit there and of drink and he'd sit there and he'd of slowly pints, of drink and he'd sit there and he'cpeople slowly pints, of drink and he'd sit there and he'cpeople would! pints, of drink and he'd sit there and he'cpeople would chat pints, of drink and he'd sit there and he'cpeople would chat jhim. of drink and he'd sit there and he'cpeople would chat [him and but people would chat to him and he had social interaction he had that social interaction dunng he had that social interaction during day. and around during the day. and then around 4:00 and 4:00 he'd sort of go home and he'd day. and we he'd be again next day. and we all and we all sort of all knew him and we all sort of chatted to him. >> it's the connection well. chatted to him. >think the connection well. chatted to him. >think the c(people»n well. chatted to him. >think the c(people»n there,. i think some people go there, they don't have they they don't have anyone. they sit there someone they don't have anyone. they sit therecomes someone they don't have anyone. they sit therecomes along someone they don't have anyone. they sit therecomes along that someone they don't have anyone. they sit therecomes along that they meone they don't have anyone. they sit therecomes along that they can ne that comes along that they can interact i it's interact with. so i think it's a really good because, you really good service because, you know, some bars, like know, you go to some bars, like you were saying today, pay you were saying today, you pay like £18 for a cocktail, which

is blast like £18 for a cocktail, which is music blast like £18 for a cocktail, which is music so blast like £18 for a cocktail, which is music so loud blast like £18 for a cocktail, which is music so loud you blast like £18 for a cocktail, which is music so loud you can't st the music so loud you can't actually person the music so loud you can't actupaid person the music so loud you can't actupaid £18 person the music so loud you can't actupaid £18 sit person the music so loud you can't actupaid £18 sit fto son the music so loud you can't actupaid £18 sit fto is] you paid £18 to sit next to is saying you , yeah, of course, saying to you, yeah, of course, that in wetherspoons, wetherspoons got wetherspoons have usually got that so you that no music policy so you can't actually have conversation. >> also stayed in a wetherspoons hotel in edinburgh. >> whoa. >> whoa. >> absolute experience. who are you ? the white lady in you? the white lady in corstorphine . the white lady? corstorphine. the white lady? yeah, i'd like to. i'd like to stay there again. thank you very much. um, absolutely. fantastic. i'm fascinated tonight. i've learned worked learned that you, diane, worked in and surbiton learned that you, diane, worked in a and surbiton learned that you, diane, worked in a wetherspoons nd surbiton learned that you, diane, worked in a wetherspoons .d surbiton learned that you, diane, worked in a wetherspoons . yes, rbiton has a wetherspoons. yes, non—ironically like they're not trying to go look. look like a poor people museum . in the poor people museum. in the poshest part of town. >> look, look, this is how they live. it's genuine. >> i mean, i know sebastian has known for many things, but there's sort of two areas of sebastian. you have, like the posh coffee shops, but you do have a really good spoons . and i have a really good spoons. and i had . an advert and when you sort had. an advert and when you sort of do a commercial, you get a big block of money. um, and i took some mates out because it's the spoons and i was like, spoons me and i think,

spoons are on me and i think, like, i don't think i spent more than £50 and we had food and than £50 and we all had food and drinks. was brilliant. drinks. it was brilliant. >> yeah. amazing. >> yeah. amazing. >> i wanted have >> yeah. i wanted to have my wedding at the wedding reception at the wetherspoons they wedding reception at the we a erspoons they wedding reception at the wea package. they wedding reception at the wea package. it's they wedding reception at the wea package. it's three 1ey do a package. it's like three grand gets you the grand and that gets you the whole that gets you whole thing. that gets you a bouquet at most bouquet of flowers at most wedding places. no, i mean, so , wedding places. no, i mean, so, but my wife, my wife wouldn't let us. uh, unfortunately, she turned down my request to get married at wetherspoons harvester instead . yeah a slug harvester instead. yeah a slug and lettuce. but yeah , i mean, and lettuce. but yeah, i mean, lewis, you made a really good point that pubs are where, um, you know, people interact. they have that socialisation. we see, uh, loneliness and isolation is such a problem in the world these days. and the pub is the hub or used to be the hub of so many communities. but so many pubs have got two potency and so a the price themselves a price. the price themselves out uh, of people being out of, uh, of people being able to every it's to go there every day. it's really . really sad. >> we to go to a pub like >> we used to go to a pub like a local, a wetherspoons, >> we used to go to a pub like a locéthey a wetherspoons, >> we used to go to a pub like a locéthey a a wetherspoons, >> we used to go to a pub like a locéthey a decent|erspoons, >> we used to go to a pub like a locéthey a decent sunday s, but they did a decent sunday roast we actually went quite roast and we actually went quite regularly got taken regularly and then it got taken oven

regularly and then it got taken over, made all fancy and over, got made all fancy and then it was like, oh my god, like we're not going to spend that money sunday. that much money on a sunday. so like, out. like, people do get priced out. it's not just, you know, people that know, poor that are, you know, really poor and , don't have any and you know, don't have any money at all. even people that have a bit of money to spend have got a bit of money to spend on, you know, for nice on, you know, going for a nice sunday race, it's like they're getting it's getting priced out too. so it's i it brings the community i think it brings the community together as well. yeah when you're area then you you're in an area and then you suddenly kind of recognise, oh actually you street actually you live that street and seen before and it and i've seen you before and it builds community. um, builds that community. um, spirit you spirit that i don't think you get everyone's get anymore because everyone's walking around on phones, walking around on the phones, doesn't to each doesn't want to speak to each other. it's really, other. yeah. so it's really, i think, pubs all the other. yeah. so it's really, i thinkand pubs all the other. yeah. so it's really, i thinkand i'm pubs all the other. yeah. so it's really, i thinkand i'm surprised all the way. and i'm surprised that so many survived covid, which also tim really strong on. yes. tim was really strong on. yes. yeah, of the impact because yeah, yeah of the impact because l, yeah, yeah of the impact because i, the that they closed and i, the fact that they closed and they lost all that stock and you can open again and they ordered in all stock . it's like in all that stock. it's like you're joking. you're just joking. we're shutting that shutting you down again. that was yeah was insane. well yeah because they paul they went through paul is a comedy promoter. >> i mean you would have had this as because this as this as well because they reopen they kept saying you can reopen and would hire and then so people would hire the the stocking and,

the staff by the stocking and, and, you know, advertise to put on show then on a comedy show and then it would rug would get would all the rug would get pulled from under their feet. >> what happened >> that's exactly what happened on there on two occasions. there was one point. remember if point. do you remember where if you like 100 you had a venue of like 100 seats, you had to them in seats, you had to put them in a in special array . they in a special array. so they were always equidistant away always kept equidistant away from of 100 seat from one another of 100 seat venue with 14 people it and venue with 14 people in it and recharging . do you want to come recharging. do you want to come and see comedy again? it's like, sounds ticket. sounds like £1,000 a ticket. >> sounds of my shows, >> sounds like one of my shows, to . people in a 100 to be honest. 14 people in a 100 seater that is . seater that is. >> and then there'd be masks and you're you didn't know who you're like, you didn't know who you're like, you didn't know who you were? oh, an emcee, show. you were? oh, an emcee, a show. and didn't know if you and like, it didn't know if you didn't who if someone didn't know who if someone was talking like, talking to you. and i was like, eventually the eventually written all over the place. yeah. >> and some comedy >> and some some comedy clubs. i remember top secret in london. fantastic they fantastic comedy club. and they managed open most of the managed to stay open most of the most the pandemic, most of the pandemic, but they put, in put, uh, perspex screens, uh, in front , in front of the rows. so front, in front of the rows. so if sitting at back, if you're sitting at the back, you're through you're looking through about 14 of screens that of these perspex screens that everybody's been sneezing their, their covid virus onto. but it was my favourite was having to perform outside. >> oh yeah . because they're not

>> oh yeah. because they're not only would you get the 14 people that wanted to see you , but that wanted to see you, but they'd also be sat sort of a good 20ft away, and then they'd be spread out. and then on top of that it might rain. it was just such a wonderful, wonderful time. so with that, that's why they're picking on him. because sir tim martin has always stood up he believed. and he up for what he believed. and he was a brexiteer, which is why they're giving him grief and he was a vocal critic of lockdown . was a vocal critic of lockdown. yeah, so, so many people. but he's brought so much to the community given whatever prize he wants. given the sticker . he wants. given the sticker. >> absolutely well said. well said. uh, tim martin, you said. diane uh, tim martin, you fully deserve your knighthood. well, break, time well, after the break, it's time for or blessed. we'll for cursed or blessed. we'll look at people to ask and look at three people to ask and trends to ask if they're rising stars or falling, uh, falling to the ground. so see you in a

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night showdown. it's now time for cursed or blessed, where we analyse people or trends who are rising or falling in the news agenda. up first, this week is the mighty . match making service the mighty. match making service tinder, which now comes with a mighty price tag for its top tier. they're charging for hundred and $99 a month. i think that's just in the states at the moment, it's to come moment, but it's going to come to the soon. that's of to the uk soon. that's a lot of money, is is money, paul. what is what is that you allowed to that by you? are you allowed to go bins? well, first go through our bins? well, first of they tinder of all they call it tinder select which does sound like a delicious the kfc menu. >> yeah. so going >> yeah. so i'm going to be trying out. enables you to trying that out. enables you to do things actually, do a couple of things actually, all are quite creepy . all of which are quite creepy. so can message people . that so you can message people. that you have not matched with you. so i've never been on a dating site. i've i believe you, i genuinely just just in case my wife of 20 years watching, um wife of 20 years is watching, um , but my understanding is you've really you can't message anybody without matching and particularly on some, you can't actually unless actually talk to anyone unless the female in the connection or the female in the connection or the other person in the

connection does so first. so it enables someone just to go, oh, are you doing what are you wearing or whatever or whatever people matching. people do on without matching. yeah, without matching. >> i mean, that >> so this i mean, diane, that does and creepy. >> it's amazing thing you paid $500 a message. you i'm really not interested. >> i don't care to pay for the privilege. you are my trinket. like, doesn't it? like mean that everybody else becomes a little bit, dare i say it like a sex worker, but an unwilling sex worker, but an unwilling sex worker ? worker? >> yeah, because you know who isn't getting any of the money? >> the money all goes to tinder. >> the money all goes to tinder. >> it's going to the pimp, right ? >> but like, 7 >> but like, it's just seems so wrong because tinder is essentially. >> i mean, correct me if i'm wrong and forgive me for using the wrong language. it does feel like out . what like tinder is pimping out. what they call the most sort . after they call the most sort. after members of tinder right now are women. >> number one, are these real people, or are these amazing catfish with incredible sort of russian model pictures? >> number one. number two, how can you be guaranteed that

you're actually getting the value? because, yeah , you can value? because, yeah, you can message all you like , like the message all you like, like the other person can still turn around and go, um, we have nothing in common. but i read somewhere that you have to go on a date with one of these people . a date with one of these people. >> what? i know how can you do? >> what? i know how can you do? >> well, it said that. oh, if you get tinder select you. you can match with people and you're guaranteed a i was like, guaranteed a date. i was like, what? stop. you're not, what? wait. stop. no you're not, because. seen my diary? because. have you seen my diary? i no, it's not working . i i mean, no, it's not working. i mean, not on tinder anyway, mean, i'm not on tinder anyway, but. my junk but. well, i don't know. my junk mail but but the mail says i am, but but the point this is terrible. point is, this is terrible. like, i just think it's horrid. and for $500, imagine what else you could do. you could get yourself a nice new outfit. you could maybe have a haircut , could maybe have a haircut, maybe buy a book on social etiquette. >> that's not where i thought you were going with what you you were going with it. what you could do for $500 shin bet. um you lose, doesn't it? so it seems like you're going to look more desperate . the more money more desperate. the more money you more desperate. the more money you pay, more desperate. the more money you pay, the more hopeless and desperate you're going look. desperate you're going to look. well basically paying $500 well you basically paying $500 to because

to be rejected twice because basically they've already seen your picture and gone. >> oh, and swiped away. but now you're paying to say, oh, hold on, here i am again. they're going look at you. going to say, no, look at you. like makes no sense. salesman like it makes no sense. salesman with a foot in the door. exactly $500 to be rejected twice. makes no sense. also, if you have $500 to spend, spare a month a month, there's like you saying, there's so much more you could do. but also, i mean, who has got the time to sit on tinder? i mean, when single, i did use when i was single, i did use tinder and i it's so time consuming to sit there and start conversations with random strangers whose pictures you like in the end, i just wrote a funny intro and just copied and pasted, so we came back . pasted, so we came back. >> if you just went on to facebook said, i give facebook and said, i will give any likes me £500 a any woman who likes me £500 a month, you probably wouldn't even need to give it to tinder. it small line of it just be a small line of rather mentally ill people that you could see on a regular basis. >> well, i know there's some people who go, i'll do it for 450. >> you could trigger some kind of bidding war if you've got the

state of things . state of things. >> although think you've just >> although i think you've just invented the concept of mail order brides. yes. this is. yeah what we've got here, which might be better use of the $500, to be a better use of the $500, to be a better use of the $500, to be honest . next, let's turn to be honest. next, let's turn to the secretary of state for the us state of maine. shay shenna bellows, whose bard donald trump from running as a presidential candidate in the state soon after colorado did the same. louis, this seems to be undemocratic to me. if people want to vote for trump, shouldn't get the chance? shouldn't they get the chance? >> agree, do think >> i actually agree, i do think they should. i think that if these that people these little tactics that people are using stop him from being on the ballot, it will cause more havoc.i the ballot, it will cause more havoc. i think the only way out of this is through trump needs to be on the ballot. if there are enough people that support him, to run. if there him, he needs to run. if there are enough people that support him, he needs to run. if there are

bad idea. and i think as you see every something like this every time something like this happens, where they try and get trump and following happens, where they try and get trungoes and following happens, where they try and get trungoes more,j following happens, where they try and get trungoes more, it's.lowing happens, where they try and get trungoes more, it's like,1g just goes up more, it's like, stop it, what are you doing? you're making it worse. >> make worse because >> they make it worse because they're giving him like a martyrdom if he martyrdom status. because if he doesn't run that way , he can't doesn't run that way, he can't lose. and that way his whole support base can go well . if he support base can go well. if he had run, he would have won. that's why they stopped him. it's a conspiracy. that to it's a conspiracy. and that to the but if they the rest of them. but if they let then number one, let him run, then number one, that's democratic . because if he that's democratic. because if he wins that proves that the people of maine wanted him as a presidential candidate despite the insurrection thing, which he's not been guilty of he's not been found guilty of yet. let's just underline he's not been found guilty of yetwell's just underline he's not been found guilty of yetwell . just underline as well. >> i don't think he's even been charged with anything yet. well, yeah, you can't be found guilty if you haven't been charged. >> so if he runs >> yeah. and also, so if he runs and then again, and then he loses, then again, the democratic process has won out. but if you take him away as a candidate, you kind of give him this mystical status. yeah. and it actually plays into the hands of the people who support

trump, because now they can make up whatever they like, because the created this the democrats have created this weird vacuum of trumpism. weird vacuum of non trumpism. well they don't need to make the truth. >> they don't need to make anything know, anything up. because, you know, we've conspiracy we've heard trump's a conspiracy theories though. he says he says they tried steal they tried to steal the election. here they election. and paul here they are. looks to me like they're trying steal the election. trying to steal the election. >> it's terrifying totalitarian . >> it's terrifying totalitarian. you can vote for this person we've chosen for you and not this person . an i would not want this person. an i would not want to be the president. that one, because trump was unable to be on the ballot. yeah, because you are just going to have four years of everybody saying that trump would have won . and we'll trump would have won. and we'll just repeat this again. if he's still alive in 2028. so i think you know, with all free speech and free voting as it in this case, i always see say, let's hear all the voices. how can you make a decision if you don't hear or how can he hear him? or how can he incriminate if not incriminate himself if he's not allowed speak? incriminate himself if he's not all(yeah, speak? incriminate himself if he's not all(yeah, butieak? incriminate himself if he's not all(yeah, but isn't this kind of >> yeah, but isn't this kind of what like the what happened, like with the conservativewe gave them. okay

>> because we gave them. okay fine. for or rishi. >> go for it. and so for liz. and it went so catastrophically wrong . wrong. >> they only had rishi left and he became the president. you're talking about the one where, like, pretty much everybody else was the board. was off the board. >> nobody wants vote >> and no, nobody wants to vote for him.yet they did it first, >> and yet they did it first, did it to us twice because in 2019, was elected 2019, boris johnson was elected by people, was elected by by the people, was elected by the, know, the people of the the, you know, the people of the land. the, you know, the people of the land . and then deposed him land. and then they deposed him and no, you can and they said, no, no, you can have candidates, these have these candidates, these candidates, went the candidates, they went to the tory . and but candidates, they went to the tory the . and but candidates, they went to the tory the tory . and but candidates, they went to the tory the tory membership but candidates, they went to the tory the tory membership ended even the tory membership ended up having democratic vote up having their democratic vote taken away. so it's ridiculous. and trump is four points ahead. i mean, there's a real chance he's an bear in mind. he's in 2016. he won when he was many, many points behind. and it was apparently math impossible for him win . him to win. >> it's, uh, it's going to be an interesting year, is all i can say. i'm stealing myself for this us election. let's see if he's the ballot. that he's even on the ballot. that will thing. then will be the first thing. then i mean, if he wins, i just can't even imagine . yeah, i just will

even imagine. yeah, i just will not hear the gunfire. i won't go on social media. but then if he . on social media. but then if he. you know. so no good you know. so there's no good scenario . chaos if he wins, scenario. chaos if he wins, chaos loses , chaos if he chaos if he loses, chaos if he doesn't get on the ballot. so we're going have chaos either we're going to have chaos either way . way. >> i think trump is going to bnng >> i think trump is going to bring back together bring the usa back together again those divides. again and heal those divides. maybe finally, a ban on xl bully dogsis maybe finally, a ban on xl bully dogs is going to come into force on sunday, but pets at home, the pet shop, have warned that some people are buying the xl bully dogs cheaply. they're being sold for as little as £10 now to claim the £200 compensation to have them put down. has this ban backfired already ? diane? backfired already? diane? >> i'm not sure because i oh gosh, i mean, a one hand the rules are now stating that as of sunday, anybody with an xl bully has to make sure that when they go out in public, they have a leash and a muscle. now those are two things. and they have one for the dog as well. >> and those are the two things that you could sort out very quickly. >> but yes, when you look deeper

into what pets at home are saying, for a start, you've got this tiger king scenario. do you remember where guy was remember where that guy was basically baby basically breeding like baby tigers could cuddle tigers so everybody could cuddle a tiger? and then weirdly , a baby tiger? and then weirdly, none of baby tigers were none of the baby tigers were growing , right? so that's growing up, right? so that's deeply . this idea that there deeply sad. this idea that there might be some horrible people out who actively out there who are actively buying they can buying up the dogs so they can claim compensation before the dogs put down, also , dogs are put down, and also, there's of these there's a huge amount of these dogs that are being looked after in now no one's going in homes. and now no one's going to to adopt them . yeah, but to want to adopt them. yeah, but the thing is, is that in order to bring in a rule like this, how do do it? because do you how do you do it? because do you sort surely sort of bring it? i mean, surely the an xl bully is, the lifespan of an xl bully is, is what, 25 years? how do they how live i'm how long do they live for? i'm terribly sorry. >> it depends how many >> i think it depends how many people they bite. >> get shot by >> yeah. they get shot by a police quite quickly. police officer quite quickly. if they. a rampage. they. if they go on a rampage. but, mean, louis, are you. but, i mean, louis, are you. christmas is an expensive time. are you tempted to make a bit of profit buying these bullies and claiming compensation to have them put down? >> absolutely not. i mean, as a

as a with young kids, as a dad with young kids, i don't want dangerous dogs running around. understand how don't want dangerous dogs runrit|g around. understand how don't want dangerous dogs runrit|g for, nd. understand how don't want dangerous dogs runrit|g for, for, understand how don't want dangerous dogs runrit|g for, for, um,1erstand how don't want dangerous dogs runrit|g for, for, um, you and how sad it is for, for, um, you know, people that have these dogs and they've, you know, the ones that are in, um, what do you call it, not care the ones that already kennels, that are already in kennels, they're going to be put down and, know, sad. um, and, you know, it is sad. um, but at the end of the day, if you're someone is seeing but at the end of the day, if you'situation,|e is seeing but at the end of the day, if you' situation, |e is, seeing but at the end of the day, if you' situation, |e is, you 1g this situation, which is, you know, dodgy people are trying to protect protect protect the public and protect kids that protect the public and protect kidrgetting that protect the public and protect kidrgetting mauled that protect the public and protect kidrgetting mauled by that protect the public and protect kidrgetting mauled by these,�*|at protect the public and protect kidrgetting mauled by these, by are getting mauled by these, by these . yeah. if you're these dogs. yeah. if you're seeing that and being like, haha , opportunity to make profit. i think , you know, think think, you know, i don't think that legislate it. think, you know, i don't think tithink legislate it. think, you know, i don't think tithink justjislate it. think, you know, i don't think tithink justjislatyou it. i think we just say, you know, you should just be ashamed of yourself. yeah. >> also paula, mean, it >> and also paula, i mean, it could hugely. the could backfire hugely. and the people bullies to people buying the xl bullies to put i mean, if you put down because i mean, if you if you a new dog, it if you buy a brand new dog, it comes into a new environment. it's scared, doesn't it's scared, it doesn't know what's there's the what's going on. there's all the christmas and everything. what's going on. there's all the cicouldas and everything. what's going on. there's all the cicouldas crazyand everything. what's going on. there's all the cicouldas crazyand bitelthing. what's going on. there's all the cicouldas crazyand bite you g. it could go crazy and bite you in what type anger management >> what type of anger management issues £10 xl bullies issues do these £10 xl bullies have? way? i mean the have? by the way? i mean the ones you had ones that the ones that you had to buy for two grand two months ago dangerous as ago were dangerous enough as it was. an animal was. by the way, i am an animal

lover. an animal lover. i'm not an animal fighter, i, they fighter, but i, i they are demonstrably . yeah. demonstrably dangerous. yeah. you know, and i don't know how many have died this year, many people have died this year, but of least 3 or 4. but i know of at least 3 or 4. and one is way too many. oh, yeah. when it's little kids yeah. and when it's little kids as getting, know, as well, getting, you know, the horrific changing injuries horrific life changing injuries we, we have to park some of this stuff at the moment the rspca are rightly sort of saying because it's their job. on no, because it's theirjob. oh no, we have perhaps our time because it's theirjob. oh no, we this.�* perhaps our time because it's theirjob. oh no, we this. i perhaps our time because it's theirjob. oh no, we this. i don't1aps our time because it's theirjob. oh no, wethis. i don't1aps do. time on this. i don't think we do. i think the time has been, the time to time has passed and we have to we continue with this we have to continue with this and to be put and they will have to be put down. sometimes in life, you down. and sometimes in life, you just have accept that you just have to accept that you have cut your losses. have to just cut your losses. and this and unfortunately, on this occasion, it's going to mean the death bullies. death of quite a few xl bullies. >> just say they live >> yeah, i just say they live for to 14 years, right? for 10 to 14 years, right? >> so if you if, know, if >> so if you if, you know, if you getting a puppy now, you were getting a puppy now, then that the then you would know that for the next least , you next 14 years at least, you would sort of after would need to sort of look after it, it muzzled. etc. it, keep it muzzled. yeah, etc. >> okay. and well , coming it, keep it muzzled. yeah, etc. >> okay. and well, coming up next on the saturday night showdown, labour council showdown, the labour run council in east london that up to in east london that stood up to pro—palestinian protesters by taking their flags. don't taking down their flags. don't go away

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>> welcome back to the saturday night showdown. it's time for culture corner now or multicultural corner. and we're travelling to east london to the labour run area of ilford, where the local council removed palestinian flags from lampposts . now don't . oh oh so sorry. . now don't. oh oh so sorry. yeah how was he? sure. it . yeah how was he? sure. it. seemed like a it seemed like a funny place to tail off. but this i mean, we've got a clip of the of the flags being taken down. we're going to play that in moment. this , you in a moment. um, but this, you know, flags they my jewish know, the flags they my jewish friends, the flags are all over london, and a lot of my jewish friends unsafe because it's london, and a lot of my jewish friteust unsafe because it's london, and a lot of my jewish friteust flag, ;afe because it's london, and a lot of my jewish friteust flag, ;afe besymbol.'s not just a flag, it's a symbol. uh associated hamas. uh that's associated with hamas. it's associated with the attacks of we've got the of october 7. but we've got the we've got the clip now that we're going to we're going to

play, um, she's coming up, coming up one, two, three coming up now. one, two, three ingnd coming up now. one, two, three ingrid seward three. >> redbridge council shame on you. shame on you . you. shame on you. >> and you can hear there there's a there's a protest, uh, around the lamppost. i mean , around the lamppost. i mean, louis, i don't know where you stand israel , uh, louis, i don't know where you stand israel, uh, hamas . stand on the israel, uh, hamas. uh conflict. i mean, a lot of people seem to have quite fervently taken sides in it, which, uh, which surprised me because, i mean, there's obviously, you know , there's obviously, you know, there's stuff criticise stuff to criticise on both sides. forget sides. uh, but we can't forget that this kicked off, uh, october the 7th when hamas went into israel and killed over a thousand israelis, including , thousand israelis, including, you know, women and children and, you know, committing horrific atrocities . horrific atrocities. >> it's genuinely is an awful situation. it's almost too awful to put into words. obviously, the terror attack just awful. i mean, the things that that you read of what happened, they're awful . and then obviously with, awful. and then obviously with, with, um, what's happening in palestine now and the civilian

casualties and, you know, i know people in my own life that, you know, are on either side of those arguments . then you've got those arguments. then you've got a lot of people that are saying, well, you know what? there's just going on. how well, you know what? there's juswe going on. how well, you know what? there's juswe even going on. how well, you know what? there's juswe even find>ing on. how well, you know what? there's juswe even find>inresolve? how well, you know what? there's juswe even find>in resolve? andw do we even find a resolve? and then see things then you obviously see things like flag where like this with the flag where people saying, you know, people are saying, you know, i want to show support for want to show my support for this. there better ways this. um, are there better ways to say, look what's happening with, palestine with, um, civilians in palestine . we need to talk about that. then putting a flag up. i think there are better ways to do that, think ultimately there are better ways to do tha'really think ultimately there are better ways to do tha'really thiito ultimately there are better ways to do tha'really thiito see nately there are better ways to do tha'really thiito see theely it's really sad to see the tensions in london. tensions rising in london. and you it. and, know, you can feel it. and, you know, i know people that are getting worried to kind of walk around the you just see the streets and you just see this awful situation happen. and i think that there i don't think that there is a clear well i think clear resolve. well i think i think this council and it's a labour council, which is the most surprising thing. >> they've shown the resolve to actually that lamppost, actually get up that lamppost, despite the protesting mob underneath. they've got up that lamppost they're taking lamppost and they're taking these and i don't these flags down. and i don't know sadiq isn't doing know why sadiq isn't doing it all because , i

all across london, because, i mean, this is this is britain. we shouldn't be flying another nation's pole. nation's flag pole. >> a very good >> well, that's a very good point, any council, no point, leo. in any council, no matter they're labour, matter if they're labour, conservative matter if they're labour, conse a 'ative matter if they're labour, consea responsibility protect matter if they're labour, concommunityibility protect matter if they're labour, con community andy protect matter if they're labour, con community and keepirotect matter if they're labour, con community and keep the ct the community and keep the community safe. that's community safe. and that's a pubuc community safe. and that's a public lamppost. community safe. and that's a public lamppost . so flying a public lamppost. so flying a flag public lamppost is flag on a public lamppost is different hanging it different to perhaps hanging it from bedroom window or from a bedroom window or something that and it something of that order. and it represents in many. in many, in many ways, it represents the ideology of hamas. i know that we should not mix palestine with hamas, but in many ways it represents that. i mean, they did elect hamas. >> so there is a little bit of a link there. >> that, w" w“ >> exactly that, leo. and, you know, to fly know, if you're going to fly that flag, it's what that know, if you're going to fly that represents what that know, if you're going to fly that represents the it that know, if you're going to fly that represents the culture flag represents and the culture of hamas and some of the culture and ideology of palestine and hamas collectively is . not hamas collectively is. not compatible with the culture of the west and the culture of the west is much more subdued and i'm not trying to i'm not trying to camps here. i'm to create two camps here. i'm just saying it's not compatible andifs just saying it's not compatible and it's one of the issues we find multiculturalism , um, find with multiculturalism, um, is we're creating

is that we're we're creating this boiling pot, whereas normally we would stand back and 90, normally we would stand back and go, let let's not get too involved. now we're now people are literally nailing their colours to the mast. yeah. and it's causing a problem. yeah. >> also mean covering >> and also i mean it's covering up land posts. they're up their own land posts. they're covering up, uh, traffic cameras and all that, that kind of thing. normally sadiq khan thing. which normally sadiq khan is very keen you know, is very keen on, you know, making sure those cameras can see everybody them the see everybody and give them the maximum amount of fines. see everybody and give them the maximum amount of fines . but for maximum amount of fines. but for some he doesn't mind now i >> -- >> no, no, i mean, if you are going a flag to going to use a flag to accidentally cover up a ulez camera, then can't you just use flags of sorts of different nations? >> you know , um, i personally, >> you know, um, i personally, maybe just the british flag, maybe just the british flag, maybe the british flag. maybe just the british flag. i personally feel that, um, every time we sort of, uh, people choose to cover the country and flags to represent something, i think that's tends to be an empty gesture. um, even when you're, like, supporting something like ukraine. like suddenly, everywhere i went, there were ukrainian flags, and i started joking to my husband , i started joking to my husband, i started joking to my husband, i love living in ukraine. isn't

it marvellous? like, because they were just everywhere. but unless you're actually going to do something and affect a change, then what really are you doing? like for example, doing? yeah, like for example, when the foot. because this is to do with flags and symbols and when, for example, the football us all went qatar and they us all went to qatar and they said wear our said we're going to wear our flags support lgbtq flags to support the lgbtq community, see. and then they were like, fine, you won't play and you'll get penalties. they all took the bans off. yeah. do you yeah. you see what i mean? yeah. i just think that there's too many flags for whatever what what ever happened to kind of acknowledging what going on acknowledging what is going on and taking steps? if you feel that strongly to talking and educate people instead of sort of playing , altering your of playing, altering your ideology all over the place and then yelling at the council when they're trying to create a level playing field for everyone. i have friends and god have jewish friends and god knows they must felt knows how they must have felt seeing that around their seeing that put around their neighbourhood . ad. neighbourhood. ad. >> yeah. no, absolutely. and also it's a flag of a of a foreign country. know, foreign country. and you know, when, when a country captures

territory, the first thing they do is put a flag up on that territory. that's what territory. and that's what i feel you know, it feel like, you know, it symbolises takeover symbolises it's a takeover of, of soil and let's not of british soil and let's not pretend for one minute or be naive about this, that there will be a percentage of people putting flags that putting those flags up that are doing what you're saying. >> they're saying this neighbourhood, this road, this house, whatever neighbourhood, this road, this house, this. whatever neighbourhood, this road, this house, this. yeah whatever neighbourhood, this road, this house, this. yeah and/hatever neighbourhood, this road, this house, this. yeah and itatever represents this. yeah and it will be a problem forjewish people in that community in the same way as if the star of david or the israel flag had been flown, which we don't see, by the way. but if that was just all a sudden put up in every all of a sudden put up in every street in golders green, for instance, would be instance, then that would be intimidate thing and we just don't i think don't see it. yeah so i think for um, it's right that for me it's um, it's right that the, council took it down. the, the council took it down. it's quite clearly inflammata tree just don't think tree and it's i just don't think it has any place in our culture. >> well said paul, uh, moving on. >> on. >> don't go anywhere as we'll be taking another look at the new year's the year's honours list after the break see the movers and break to see the movers and shakers this year

we talked earlier about wetherspoons founder tim martin being knighted in the new year's honours list. but what do we make of all the other awards this year? well, i've got former special adviser to michael gove down the line, charlie rowley . down the line, charlie rowley. charlie, how are you . and what charlie, how are you. and what do you make? i'm very well happy new year's eve eve . happy happy new year's eve eve. happy happy new year's eve eve. happy happy new year's eve to you too. or hogmanay as we call it in my house. what do you make of the new year's honours list ? well new year's honours list? well you were just talking about, um. >> uh, tim martin there, who, uh, rightly deserves an honour , uh, rightly deserves an honour, um, in my view, for his, uh, campaigning, but also for the great business opportunities that he's done. there no that he's done. there is no better celebrate , uh, his better way to celebrate, uh, his honour than being outside a wetherspoons pub that you might just hear myself, um, are you say the wetherspoons pub right

now ? now? >> i'm celebrating his success with a diet coke , i'm hasten to with a diet coke, i'm hasten to add, because i. >> i'm currently off the sauce. but, um, uh, i started to dry january early, but you're absolutely right. you know, the rest of the list was, um , uh, i rest of the list was, um, uh, i think, um , uh, in broad terms is think, um, uh, in broad terms is always a good thing. i never looked, uh, really at that much at the headline at it's always about the small people that we forget about, you know, the lollipop ladies, the, uh, the kitchen staff, the porters, people have worked in their people that have worked in their industry, their for industry, in their field for years and years, years and years and years, people never actually get people who never actually get the the service the recognition for the service that they actually do this that they actually do for this country. they're the ones that keep over . um, country. they're the ones that keep over. um, uh, keep us ticking over. um, uh, and so i'm, i'm always pleased to see, even though i don't know who they are, but i'm always pleased to see, uh, the majority of awards of people that get the awards are, those people . are, are those are those people. >> and are you a dame shirley bassey fan ? bassey fan? >> i thought i thought you were gonna ask me if i was a dame.

for a second, i thought i must. yeah >> are you are you a dame as well? >> well, well it is, it is panto season , so i could be, uh, season, so i could be, uh, i could be whoever you want me to be, but, um, i, i am a bassey fan . fan. >> um, and i think , look, you >> um, and i think, look, you know, it's one of those probably a long time coming. um i mean, and so she was obviously very deserving of an award. i'm sure she's probably been expecting award for some time . there are award for some time. there are probably people that probably other people that are expecting , uh, awards, expecting, uh, awards, maybe kwasi , uh, maybe kwasi kwarteng, uh, maybe therese coffey , part of the liz therese coffey, part of the liz truss , uh, movement when she was truss, uh, movement when she was prime minister for all those glorious 49 days, uh , or glorious 49 days, uh, or whatever it was, um, who have missed out. so i'm sure there'll be people absolutely delighted that are deserving, like shirley be people absolutely delighted that others serving, like shirley be people absolutely delighted that others who ng, like shirley be people absolutely delighted that others who ng, like sshould and others who felt they should have they haven't. >> and charlie, thanks so much for joining us. and please forjoining us. and please enjoy, enjoy the rest of your night in the wetherspoons. you can you move on to can move it. you can move on to the stiffer stuff after the diet coke now. >> have a great hogmanay . >> so have a great hogmanay. >> so have a great hogmanay. >> cheers. thank you very much

and i'll ask my panel, uh, what they of the year's they think of the new year's honours if there's honours list. and if there's anybody you think has been anybody that you think has been missed anybody you missed out, is there anybody you wanted him? and he wanted to see him? and he mentioned . i mentioned kwasi kwarteng. i think he's probably the only person in the country who thinks kwasi should been. kwasi kwarteng should have been. >> sure about that one. >> i'm not sure about that one. >> i'm not sure about that one. >> i'm not sure about that one. >> i was so excited when i saw, um, aderin—pocock, she is um, maggie aderin—pocock, she is an astrophysicist and she does this programme called the sky at night , and this programme called the sky at night, and she's one of those people. did she take over from patrick possibly. >> yes, possibly. >> yes, possibly. >> yes. she's absolutely brilliant. and i find her intoxicating . to watch because intoxicating. to watch because she absolutely loves her subject to death and the way she talks about the night sky. and she sort of talks like this and she's excited it, and she's very excited about it, and she's very excited about it, and she all things she tells you all the things about the universe. and i just love enthusiastic who love enthusiastic people who love enthusiastic people who love their topic. and love their topic. yeah. and she's one of them. and she's becoming dame . i'm over becoming a dame. i'm over the moon right ? becoming a dame. i'm over the moon right? yeah. and moon for her right? yeah. and there's also a, i was just there's also a, um, i was just there's also a, um, i was just there's some amazing people , there's some amazing people, like, um, professor like, there's, um, professor simon kenny, who is the nhs national clinical director for

children and young people from merseyside , and he's getting an merseyside, and he's getting an obe for services . to paediatric obe for services. to paediatric surgery. right. so he has been saving many, many children's lives. and the way does it is lives. and the way he does it is he does minimally invasive paediatric right. paediatric surgery. right. >> wee >> so you've already got a wee tiny who a of tiny person who needs a lot of help this been help and this guy has been working how get them the working out how to get them the help need the lean , help they need in the most lean, intrusive way possible without cutting much. cutting them open too much. >> certainly sounds >> yeah, that's certainly sounds like a deserved cause. louis, anybody that you you'd like to see in the new year's honours list? >> do you know what i was wracking my brain i can't wracking my brain and i can't think of anyone which is the same of my opinion for same much of my opinion for the british no, british people is, um. no, no, don't mean, the don't bother. i mean, the one that impressed with that i was really impressed with was, hudgell, who's was, um, tony hudgell, who's nine, youngest ever person nine, the youngest ever person to receive honour. to receive an honour. he's a double amputee . um, and he double amputee. um, and he basically become a basically has become a campaigner for the prevention of child that's . child abuse, because that's. what happened to him. his parents were put in jail . that's parents were put in jail. that's why he's he's, you know, nine years old. yeah. and to have been, campaigning been, you know, campaigning like that, best approach. >> yeah. that is incredible.

>> yeah. that is incredible. >> what it's for. mean >> that is what it's for. i mean there are you it's there are don't you think it's too success, too young. too much success, too young. >> where do you go from >> i mean where do you go from there . you've new year's there. you've got a new year's honoun there. you've got a new year's hor uh. there. you've got a new year's horuh , unfortunately, i think >> uh, unfortunately, i think there's probably a lot of things going country going wrong with our country that that he can spend that he can that he can spend his life dealing with. >> he's got bright >> i'm sure he's got a bright future know, future ahead of him, you know, doing more campaigning . doing doing more campaigning. uh, you'd like to uh, paul, anybody you'd like to see doctor lewis schaffer for his for his work with experimental medicine and dietary, with the emphasis on experimental. >> there is finding such a virus as don't exist anti anti oxygen anti—gravity . thesis was one of anti—gravity. thesis was one of my favourite of the year. >> what sperimentale across at the experimental . mental i'm the experimental. mental i'm just surprised he wasn't on there . yeah. there. yeah. >> with his uh incredible findings that water dehydrates you. >> yes that would have been amazing to see. >> it's nice , uh, to see people >> it's nice, uh, to see people getting awards, but i don't like when people take the awards and then hand back. i don't then hand them back. i don't mind if people just turn their words down like benjamin

zephaniah, amazing poet. zephaniah, the amazing poet. you know, turned his know, he saunders, he turned his award ward down. but michael sheen, the welsh actor, he accepted some sort of gong from the queen. and then, you know, a few years later, whenever it was, he turned around and said, i want anymore. i don't want this anymore. i'm disgusted . by the british disgusted. by the british empire. it's like you already accepted. you already had the fun. you had the garden party, you hands with the you got to shake hands with the queen and have a hobnob and dnnk queen and have a hobnob and drink the champagne and drink all the free champagne and eat can of peas. and eat the little can of peas. and you that, you took you had all that, and you took the can't then have the gong. you can't then have have again get like, have it all again and get like, lord, papers, like, lord, in the papers, be like, oh, i'm so pious, i can't, i can't stand british empire. can't stand the british empire. which empire by the which is the best empire by the way? better than the roman way? even better than the roman empire. yeah, but is it because he, um , like, all the gigs dried 7 up. up? >> because once you get that thing , you get the stamp, the thing, you get the stamp, the obe, you get to go out and you get the talking. and did get to do the talking. and did he talk circuit he do did his talk circuit gigs dry like, don't dry up? so he's like, i don't need this thing anymore. take my gun and my badge. like gun and my badge. what i like is, this truss is also is, is that this truss is also been firing out her peerage list at the same time, like she's

oprah or something, like she was a prime minister for, what, 45 days? yeah. and she's like, you get a peerage, you get a peerage. like she's giving a peerage. like she's giving a peerage to are the do they actually stick ? actually stick? >> like when liz truss says you're getting a peerage. does it does it. >> yeah. because rishi had his chance to scrub people off the list. >> and i think these are the >> and i think these now are the ones that stick. >> do actually know if >> right. do we actually know if she if rishi did scrub any she did? if rishi did scrub any off? we actually she did? if rishi did scrub any off? see we actually she did? if rishi did scrub any off? see original:tually she did? if rishi did scrub any off? see original list..y ever see rishi original list. because scrutinised quite because it was scrutinised quite heavily wasn't it. yeah. i mean, i the answer. sorry. i don't know the answer. sorry. diana. trying diana. feels like i'm trying to question saying. question what you were saying. i actually know the answer. actually don't know the answer. >> feels like an inquiry. >> this feels like an inquiry. come , it'd be come on. but, uh, it'd be interesting to know, because i think that's a really good point, because obviously, um, it's like complaining it's a bit like complaining about birthday it's a bit like complaining about list. birthday invitation list. >> know, we know >> you know, we know we know that get honours that they get these honours lists. we know that people lists. we know that these people , uh, choose that we , uh, choose people that we might like . and might not necessarily like. and of one thing that of course, the one thing that sets, truss is sets, uh, liz truss apart is that had her, you know, that she only had her, you know, premiership for 49 days. so a lot of people who already don't like the honours list and

already don't like the tories will say , well, it was only 49 will say, well, it was only 49 days. allowed do days. why is she allowed to do this? be very this? but it'd be very interesting her original interesting to see her original list out list versus what came out this christmas . i list versus what came out this christmas. i wonder if rishi sunak took any out. maybe they'll publish it. >> maybe when they publish the jeffrey >> maybe when they publish the jeffrecan publish that at the they can publish that at the same time. and course, same time. and of course, a shout out to peter shilton, who is of the show, friend is a friend of the show, friend of gb news does a lot of of gb news and does a lot of amazing around gambling amazing work around gambling addiction. well, there's plenty more to come in the saturday night showdown, we'll be talking the the comedians. it's the clash of the comedians. it's not anybody on panel, it's not anybody on this panel, it's jervis and jervis versus acaster and asking, what the worst asking, what are the worst christmas gifts you've ever received? see you in a couple of minutes . received? see you in a couple of minutes. looks like things are heating up . heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news . hello there. weather on gb news. hello there. >> welcome to your latest gb news, weather forecast i'm craig snell. well looking ahead to new

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saturday night showdown. and discussing all tonight's topics . my brilliant and discussing all tonight's topics. my brilliant panel joining me tonight are paul cox, diane spencer and louise oakley. there they are. but first, let's get your latest news headlines from sophia wenzler. get your latest news headlines from sophia wenzler . thank you leo. >> good evening. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . new wenzler in the gb newsroom. new year's plans have been ruined for thousands of people after eurostar cancelled all trains to and from london, causing travel chaos. the company apologised after a tunnel was flooded, apparently caused by a burst pipe apparently caused by a burst pipe connected to the fire safety system. up to 35,000 passengers have been affected, with many left stranded at london's saint pancras station. some took to social media to vent their frustration , saying vent their frustration, saying they were only told about the cancellations at 8:00 this morning and forecasters are warning people to take care

ahead of a new year celebration as heavy rain and strong winds are expected in many parts of the country , with parts of the country, with parts of scotland likely to see significant levels of snow . the significant levels of snow. the met office says yellow alerts are in place until 3 am. tomorrow for. ukraine has struck a series of targets in russia, killing 14 people and injuring another 100. it comes after russia carried out its most devastating air attack since the invasion began. ukraine says the brutality of the strikes, which killed 31 people, shows there can be no talk of a truce with moscow. russia requested a meeting of the united nations security council today, despite most members condemning russia's actions at an emergency gathering last night. actions at an emergency gathering last night . the uk's gathering last night. the uk's representative , barbara representative, barbara woodward, says russia is deliberately targeting civilians as these missiles were aimed at population centres across ukraine. >> at kyiv , lviv to dnipro , >> at kyiv, lviv to dnipro, odesa, kharkiv , kilmezsky and

odesa, kharkiv, kilmezsky and many more cities . they struck many more cities. they struck homes, apartment buildings , homes, apartment buildings, shopping centres and metros and maternity hospital and a regional oncology centre have been damaged . regional oncology centre have been damaged. in regional oncology centre have been damaged . in short, civil been damaged. in short, civil infrastructure , a murder infrastructure, a murder investigation has been launched after a 29 year old man was stabbed in northwest london. >> emergency crews were called to the scene at the abbey estate near saint john's wood, just after 730 on friday evening. the victim, who hasn't been named, was taken to hospital but he later died. a cordon is in place near the famous abbey road crossing, while detectives investigate. no arrests have yet been made and the british actor tom wilkinson has died . born tom wilkinson has died. born into a farming family in yorkshire, he won fans for his role in the classic comedy the full monty. he was nominated for an academy award twice , and he

an academy award twice, and he took home a golden globe in 2009 for his portrayal of benjamin franklin in hbo's acclaimed miniseries john adams. since will young has paid tribute to him as a british acting royalty . him as a british acting royalty. tom wilkinson was 75. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to . back to. leo. >> thank you sophia. no, it's always annoying when somebody criticises you for something that they're doing themselves . that they're doing themselves. that's a bit how it feels in britain. when we hear that the united nations, which sent lawyers to the supreme court to thwart our rwanda scheme, has been refugees to rwanda been sending refugees to rwanda themselves . been sending refugees to rwanda themselves. i'm delighted to still have with me paul cox, dan

spencer and lewis oakley. now lewis , what do you make of this? lewis, what do you make of this? i mean, it seems like blatant hypocrisy. >> it's blatant hypocrisy, but i just can't hear the word rwanda anymore. i had enough of hearing about it. this is the most stupidest policy in the world. why? the polls are clear, right? you know, um, immigration into the country is a big issue for brits of course it is. we've obviously got record numbers of illegal . um, coming illegal immigrants. um, coming over now . um, and that's what over now. um, and that's what rwanda is aiming to solve. but it's not going to be able to. so and that's a smaller number as well. it's like they're there is so much that needs doing on immigration to kind of reflect what people are what the british people are telling want polls. telling us they want in polls. theidea telling us they want in polls. the idea that, you know, we're tearing everything. rwanda's the idea that, you know, we're tearing esolveiing. rwanda's the idea that, you know, we're tearing esolve everything.a's the idea that, you know, we're tearing esolve everything. we're going to solve everything. we're probably about five probably going to get about five people there. maybe obe we probably going to get about five pe0|moreere. maybe obe we probably going to get about five pe0|more millions)e obe we probably going to get about five pe0|more millions ofobe we probably going to get about five pe0|more millions of pounds/e probably going to get about five pe0|more millions of pounds and pay more millions of pounds and go through more legal battles and more votes and debate and have more votes and debate it until we're in the face, it until we're blue in the face, you're to get you're probably going to get five people there the five people there before the general election. it's worth it's . it's worth every penny. >> fire, some nurses

>> fire some fire, some nurses of money. >> a waste of time . i think >> it's a waste of time. i think rishi actually rishi sunak should actually be, you ashamed of himself for you know, ashamed of himself for continuing policy. didn't continuing the policy. he didn't believe in it in the first place. we're kind of led place. is what we're kind of led to of to believe. he's just kind of carry it's well, carry on now. it's like, well, why just go back to why don't you just go back to the boards, think about the drawing boards, think about something that actually might the drawing boards, think about someand, that actually might the drawing boards, think about someand, tha'know,|lly might the drawing boards, think about some and, tha'know,|lly m loose work and, you know, well, loose with work and, you know, well, loose witilewis, you're full of >> lewis, you're full of criticisms . have you have you criticisms. have you have you got solutions ? got any better solutions? >> i'm paid money to fix >> i'm not paid money to fix such a problem. such a such a big problem. lewis. lewis i'll give you a fiver right now . fiver right now. >> oh, i say i would say >> oh, i will say i would say here's the thing . here's the thing. >> i would say it comes down to people smugglers. that is a big one. go to the people smugglers. i actually think i know i actually think and i know people to hear this, people don't want to hear this, but it probably comes down to more the french but it probably comes down to morii. the french but it probably comes down to morii. already the french but it probably comes down to morii. already giving'ench but it probably comes down to morii. already giving them and i. we're already giving them and i. we're already giving them a money. a ton of money. >> diplomacy. >> diplomacy. >> i think it i think it is about you know, encouraging them to crossing. right. to stop people crossing. right. i the i mean, the i think that's the i mean, the french have got no real incentive to, to stop them, stop them coming. >> but back to the >> but getting back to, to the united mean, this is united nations, i mean, this is this of course, this is blatant of course, hypocrisy that we see so much from leftist institutions such

as the united nations. i don't know why we give them money. >> this is absolute horrendous. i because they're doing i mean, because they're doing the that they the exact thing that they constructed a legal stop constructed a legal team to stop our government doing. so my mind is completely blown. i mean , is is completely blown. i mean, is it a case that the united nafionsis it a case that the united nations is so desperate the right doesn't know what the right hand doesn't know what the left now, back to left hand is doing? now, back to this i've got i've this fiver, leo. i've got i've got an idea. right. see what? see what you think. right. and i've said this. i've said this to my husband. he thinks i'm mad, that's normal mad, but that's normal in a booth, right? booth , a booth, mad, but that's normal in a b> sharing, sharing booth. no, no, cherie booth. >> but like, you got booth in calais. people can just queue >> but like, you got booth in cal.go.people can just queue >> but like, you got booth in cal.go. helloe can just queue >> but like, you got booth in cal.go. hello i'm] just queue >> but like, you got booth in cal.go. hello i'm here queue >> but like, you got booth in cal.go. hello i'm here to |eue >> but like, you got booth in cal.go. hello i'm here to apply up. go. hello i'm here to apply for asylum in the uk . it's that for asylum in the uk. it's that little blob just over the little green blob just over the water you just have water there. and you just have a booth because everything's so complicated , right? you have to complicated, right? you have to go online. you have to make application . you have all application. you have to do all this, can't. just have this, that can't. we just have a booth people queue up and booth where people queue up and they go, i asylum the they go, i want asylum in the uk. go right, what's uk. you go all right, what's your it down, your name? you write it down, have then get have a booth, and then they get asylum in uk. well, yeah,

asylum in the uk. well, yeah, because if they pass, they pass and then they just get a ticket and then they just get a ticket and across on and they go, they come across on and they go, they come across on a good, a solid ferry like none of this dangerous rubbish. >> big >> but i mean surely the big issue the illegal crossings issue with the illegal crossings issue with the illegal crossings is these is that these people, uh, these men , the majority of them are men, the majority of them are men. they're gaming the asylum system to get here. paul. they're like a lot of them they're not like a lot of them aren't genuine asylum seekers fleeing persecution and war. because as far as we know, there isn't that much of in france. isn't that much of it in france. there might be some dog in there might be some dog poo in the pavement, no war. >> exactly. and i was >> not exactly. and i was reading a love letter to the love letter to the west by constantine kissin this week. first read uh, first time i'd read it. uh, friend of the show. a friend of ours. and there's ours. um, and there's a statistic within his book that is stark reminder why this is a stark reminder of why this is a stark reminder of why this is such a big deal in in the ten or of new labour under or so years of new labour under tony blair, the amount of people we let into the uk are via immigration was greater than the amount of people that came into the uk between 1066 and 1997. in terms of immigration, and i have since looked at that statistic. and it is true , it's

and it is true, it's a remarkable statistic. and i'm not saying at this point that all immigration is bad, because that that would be wrong also. however there is a finite amount of immigration. so the reason that, uh , policies like the that, uh, policies like the rwanda come into fruition is because there's a serious issue and rwanda in particular, or third party country as a, as a policy is a is a huge victim of party politics because ultimately labour will have to come up with something and it will look very similar to rwanda . and it might not even be in rwanda , it might be the mull of rwanda, it might be the mull of kintyre or tony blair or tony blair said in 2002. it's interesting you bring that up because it was revealed this week tony blair, week as well, that tony blair, tony was looking at a tony blair was looking at a rwanda plan. rwanda style plan. >> didn't want to pay for >> it didn't want to pay for those airfares those ridiculous airfares and pay, those ridiculous airfares and pay, dictator pay, you know, a dictator in africa . so he was going to do it africa. so he was going to do it on island of mull, uh, off on the island of mull, uh, off the coast scotland. the coast of scotland. >> you know, you can >> and so, you know, you can argue the cows come home, argue till the cows come home, whether that's a good idea or not. exists and not. but the problem exists and we need have a solution and we need to have a solution and we need to have a solution and we the only way we're going to

find out is to have a feasibility period one of feasibility period where one of these able to be these solutions is able to be put into practice, whatever that is because have that is, because we don't have that at moment. have at the moment. we don't have a proper stopping the proper deterrent stopping the dinghies the people dinghies and the people traffickers coming across from france worked . they're france has not worked. they're coming in swathes because coming across in swathes because let's face it, this is a great place to be by comparison. ian, i know we're not supposed to say that, and we can say that on gb news, course, but the, um, news, of course, but the, um, you know, great britain a you know, great britain is a great place be by comparison, great place to be by comparison, even comparison what even probably comparison to what i've on holiday. i've been on holiday. >> was nicer in >> and it was it was nicer in some was warmer , the some places. it was warmer, the food was better, but maybe we need to start putting posters of tell everyone it's rubbish, but surely somebody photo of surely somebody take a photo of dundee rainy sunday and put surely somebody take a photo of dlup ee rainy sunday and put surely somebody take a photo of dlup in rainy sunday and put surely somebody take a photo of dlup in calaisainy sunday and put surely somebody take a photo of dlup in calais and sunday and put surely somebody take a photo of dlup in calais and get day and put surely somebody take a photo of dlup in calais and get them 1d put surely somebody take a photo of dlup in calais and get them to put it up in calais and get them to tune into, you know, news 24 on the bbc. >> they are telling us on a daily basis how bad this country are, how zaphod thick we are, how fascist we are . we're how fascist we are. we're clearly not and people want to come here. but there is, there is a there is a societal structure that enables us to

look after our people. whoever they might be. even if i wasn't part that society. and it has part of that society. and it has a breaking that was a breaking point. and that was some . yeah. some years ago. yeah. >> and if you want social cohesion you want a high cohesion and you want a high trust society, immigration cohesion and you want a high trl be society, immigration cohesion and you want a high trlbe managedrmigration to be to be managed and it has to be sustainable not, you know, sustainable and not, you know, a mad rush and not knowing who's coming. feel that, you coming. but i feel that, you know, for years, know, immigration for years, it's taboo subject for it's been a taboo subject for anybody to discuss even anybody to discuss if you even bnng anybody to discuss if you even bring people are like, bring it up, people are like, you're but feel that you're a racist, but feel that that now changing . and that is now changing. and something that exemplifies this is gervais was talking is ricky gervais was talking about illegal immigration in his netflix special, which was number one on netflix. we've got a clip of it here. >> well, i am woke now and i can prove it. here you go. i love illegal immigrants. yeah, sue me now, i sometimes i go to down dover for the day. right. and i, i look out right and look , look i look out right and look, look for a boat and i see a dinghy with about 60 of them. and i go overit with about 60 of them. and i go over it right . and i pull them over it right. and i pull them in, i pull them in to shore and i go, women and children. first they go, there are no women in.

just lads, is just come just you lads, is it? just come on, lads . if i just you lads, is it? just come on, lads. if i go just you lads, is it? just come on, lads . if i go down on, lads, go lads. if i go down there one day and there's no boat, i am up . there one day and there's no boat, i am up. ijust there one day and there's no boat, i am up. i just sort of boat, i am up. ijust sort of wander into town and i stand by the traffic lights and i wait for a big lorry to pull up right . and i look underneath and there's a lad sort of clutching like that , and i go, where are like that, and i go, where are you headed? and he goes , gary you headed? and he goes, gary lineker's go just down lineker's house. i go just down there . there. >> i mean, surely this shows the, you know, attitude . odds the, you know, attitude. odds are changing and this is becoming something people are. so the end of their tether so at the end of their tether with it and it's so flagrant , with it and it's so flagrant, obvious that unfair to have obvious that it's unfair to have , you know, people skipping the queuein , you know, people skipping the queue in front other people, queue in front of other people, that become some, you know, that it's become some, you know, ricky gervais, who's by no means, know, of means, you know, a sort of a right firebrand, right wing firebrand, controversial . i right wing firebrand, controversial. i mean, right wing firebrand, controversial . i mean, he's controversial. i mean, he's a controversial. i mean, he's a controversial comedian, but he's, know, quite he's, you know, he's quite a quite right on guy. he's quite a right on guy. uh, he's discussing it and getting big laughs in his show. >> definitely. and you can hear the roar of laughter in that

crowd because everybody recognises that situation. everybody recognises what he's talking and that's the talking about. and that's the thing. it's not that we don't want immigration of course we want immigration of course we want immigration, but we want people to do it in the legal way , and we want them to come in and we say, yeah, we've got a load of job skills that we would love come fill, come love you to come and fill, come and of our society. but and be part of our society. but not already going to not if you're already going to bypass because if bypass the rules. because if somebody's going somebody's already going to bypass bypass bypass the rules and bypass everything that they need to do legally, should respect legally, why should they respect the once they're the the rules once they're in the country well? country as well? >> point. >> that's a great point. >> that's a great point. >> also, worried about >> and also, i'm worried about the, you know, the sustainability it. i mean, if sustainability of it. i mean, if we've got people coming into the country, uh, and that's outpacing . uh, the fertility outpacing. uh, the fertility rate in the uk and actually making it harder for people to have kids because they can't afford aren't afford housing. uh, there aren't enough know , enough services, you know, there's downward pressure on wages . i mean, still think the wages. i mean, i still think the number one route for entry into the uk should be through , uh, a the uk should be through, uh, a birth canal . anyone in

birth canal. anyone in particular? i think it's going to be shared around. it's not. it can't all be done through. one. is the question achieved? >> so if you ask me the question, i think , look, we what question, i think, look, we what ricky gervais is doing there is exactly what diane said . he's exactly what diane said. he's highlighting something known as , highlighting something known as, um, the truth . and the truth can um, the truth. and the truth can be quite powerful , and it could be quite powerful, and it could be quite powerful, and it could be quite powerful in terms of comedy . it can be quite powerful comedy. it can be quite powerful in terms of politics. and when it's it's when it's in a it's when it's when it's in a pull back and reveal like that, where you're not quite expecting it set it up in it because you set it up in one way. because like way. i'm woke because i like i like immigrants. and way. i'm woke because i like i like he immigrants. and way. i'm woke because i like i like he explainsgrants. and way. i'm woke because i like i like he explains the ts. and way. i'm woke because i like i like he explains the exactd way. i'm woke because i like i like he explains the exact truth then he explains the exact truth of what happens . and we all of what happens. and we all laugh out loud. yeah, it just goes to show that it is a taboo to the truth. in this particular occasion, and quite often is a taboo whatever talking taboo. whatever you are talking about, side of the about, whichever side of the political, the political divide you're on, often it's the truth. thatis you're on, often it's the truth. that is the thing that exposes everything else. yeah i will say that i actually agree with you. >> i do think that for a while it was taboo. i don't think it

is because are is anymore because we are getting polls. are getting those polls. you are getting those polls. you are getting things talked about in comedy. your comedy. and i think to your point not that , point as well, it's not that, um, people saying we don't um, people are saying we don't want immigration. i think want any immigration. i think what to is just what they want to see is just competency government can competency that a government can say, how many people we say, this is how many people we need, we need, this is the skills we need. can obviously take need. and we can obviously take some people are having a some people that are having a hard and we'll hard time in as well, and we'll set number at this and then set the number at this and then make that happen. yeah. and i think it's the years think it's just the years of a government just government proving they just have no control over anything. yeah, are yeah, that that people are saying well no, hold on. and you know and i think that that that idea you're bad person idea that you're a bad person for that has for talking about it, that has shifted a little bit now. yeah a competent government. shifted a little bit now. yeah a compet

radio. >> we were . talking about ricky >> we were. talking about ricky gervais before the break. and

every time he does a controversial netflix stand up special, particularly when he makes trans issues, makes fun of trans issues, there's certain that does there's a certain clip that does there's a certain clip that does the rounds . it's from back in the rounds. it's from back in 2019, a listen . 2019, so have a listen. >> making fun of transgender people . if people on the people. if people on the internet about it , the internet get upset about it, the comedians bad luck. comedians always like bad luck. that's my job. i'm a stand up comedian. i'm meant to challenge people. if you don't like being challenged, don't watch my shows. matter, guys ? shows. what's the matter, guys? too challenging you? that's too challenging for you? that's my job. i'm a stand up comedian . my job. i'm a stand up comedian. i'm meant to challenge people. if you're not being challenged, don't watch shows . what's the don't watch my shows. what's the matter, guys? too challenging for you? >> that's my job. >> that's my job. >> i'm a stand up comedian . i'm >> i'm a stand up comedian. i'm meant to challenge people. if you like being challenged, you don't like being challenged, don't my shows. what's don't watch my shows. what's the matter, two challenging matter, guys? two challenging fire. ah, yeah, because you know, it's been long overdue. a challenge. the trans community. oh, they've had their guard down for too long. if you ask me james acaster, they're fantastic comedians. >> slightly overusing the comedic, uh, technique of

repetition there. but i've got legendary comedian and screenwriter graham linehan with me. graham, what do you make of this clip ? this clip? >> well, you know, here's the thing. i consider someone like james mcarthur to be a what i call a regime comedian , and that call a regime comedian, and that he he , he makes comedy that's he he, he makes comedy that's accepted by the current regime , accepted by the current regime, which is the, you know, the left wing kind of stranglehold over the arts and culture that includes like left wing beliefs that men can be women and children need to be put on, uh, you know, permanent medical pathways. um, he would not say a word about any of these issues. uh, himself . so the only way he uh, himself. so the only way he can go viral is by attacking a comedian who's brave enough to address these issues. now so there's a separate conversation to be had over whether , um, to be had over whether, um, ricky's stuff is hacky, you know, and personally, i'm not a

huge fan of his, uh, his i'm not a huge fan of anti—woke comedy . a huge fan of anti—woke comedy. i think, like woke comedy and anti—woke comedy is equally it's just a waste of our time because it's nonsense . yeah it's based on nonsense. yeah well, sometimes i feel that, uh, that people, uh, people watch comedy to get upset about it . comedy to get upset about it. >> so, you know, uh, left wing people, woke people watch ricky. ricky gervais to get upset and then people on the right do the same with with james acaster or whoever it is. in fact, uh, i used to do a show , uh, every used to do a show, uh, every month, top secret comedy month, uh, top secret comedy club and, um, uh, and club in london, and, um, uh, and they got a complaint email in that said, you know, we can't see leo kirsch's show in july. and it was horrific and offensive we offensive and terrible. and we came to it again in came back to see it again in october. and he was still horrific offensive horrific and offensive and terrible. are terrible. you know, when are you going booking him? and going to stop booking him? and it's are other it's like, um, there are other entertainment choices. but i mean, some the mean, some of the some of the criticisms levelled , criticisms that are levelled, but the food was terrible , but but the food was terrible, but such big portions. >> yeah . yeah.

>> yeah. yeah. >> yeah. yeah. >> and some of the, some of the criticisms against ricky gervais are that he punches down. i mean, this this seems in itself to be, to be quite a sort of, um , a transphobic thing to say, to say that, you know, trans, trans people are on a lower rung in society . it seems a strange society. it seems a strange thing to say, since trans people seem to be making all, all our laws at the moment. >> and they have an >> yeah. and they have an awareness week every week . uh, awareness week every week. uh, somebody pointed out tonight it's like there's no week that you're not allowed to be aware of. trans people. and mcmasters. mcmasters routine is, is like , mcmasters routine is, is like, um, very dishonest in a very specific way that i really want people to try and take on board. we still do not know what the word transgender means, or transgender people . so when transgender people. so when mcmaster says, oh , these poor mcmaster says, oh, these poor people, who is he talking about? eddie izzard, who's probably ncher eddie izzard, who's probably richer than than mcmaster is who's who's career is more secure than mcmaster because he's trans. so he has like that

extra degree of protection around him because people like mcmaster are now being paid to look the other way on these issues. you know? and so, as i say , if you think about all woke say, if you think about all woke comedians, trevor noah, uh, you remember before trevor noah , um, remember before trevor noah, um, jon stewart used to go , uh, jon stewart used to go, uh, viral every week . and then viral every week. and then trevor noah came along along with the arrival of kind of woke comedy and woke opinions , uh, comedy and woke opinions, uh, which is always the opposite to what it's what it's supposed to be. it's people who are deliberately asleep to what's going on and none of their stuff goes viral . it never goes viral . goes viral. it never goes viral. mcmaster only goes viral when he's attacking a better a braver comedian. that's that's interesting. >> hopefully we'll go viral by attacking him. um, but i mean, it's interesting that the hope, that's always the hope, isn't it ? >> 7- >> that's 7 >> that's what we're all we're all depending on. >> it's the only way to win this stupid fight because there's no

adults in the room who were actually saying, hang on a second, this is not. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and, uh, people like james acaster, i mean, he's saying he's trans he's standing up for trans rights , uh, and he seems to rights, uh, and he seems to think he's , he's an think he's, he's an anti—establishment comedian . as anti—establishment comedian. as if you know , if the establishment, you know, the bbc, guardian, all the the bbc, the guardian, all the all the left wing people who run all the left wing people who run all institutions all our institutions are somehow, know, terrible somehow, uh, you know, terrible transphobes when we know that the opposite is absolutely true. and also, i mean, would you say that if we if we want to protect trans children, i mean, the idea that we're protecting them by by putting ideas in their heads and, and giving them hormones and, and giving them hormones and puberty blockers and putting them pathway to them on a pathway to irreversible , uh, surgical irreversible, uh, surgical procedures , i mean, that doesn't procedures, i mean, that doesn't seem like protecting them to me . seem like protecting them to me. >> yeah. and it's why i'm so angry at our comedians like mcmaster only kind of comes into our view because he does this attack on. but frankie boyle is attack on. but frankie boyle is a very good example , you know? a very good example, you know? uh limmy is another example, you know, where are all the comedians who are supposed to be

hard hitting truth tellers ? you hard hitting truth tellers? you know, they have deliberately looked the other way, while some terrible, terrible things have happened. terrible, terrible things have happened . and, you know, i'm i'm happened. and, you know, i'm i'm delighted when something like this comes up and i get a chance to say it because i think there despicable. they've let despicable. i think they've let down . they've let down down comedy. they've let down the lives , the women in their lives, they've let down children and they've let down children and they will be remembered by history as villains, as pure villains . villains. >> yeah, well, we'll see who's left standing to write the history books. graham, thank you so for joining and history books. graham, thank you so forjoining and have so much forjoining us and have a great, uh, hogmanay. and i'll speak to you soon. and turning to my panel, turning to my panel , what do you what do you make of, uh, of acaster having a go? uh, there's so to uh, lewis, there's so much to unpack. >> so, i mean, obviously, um , >> so, i mean, obviously, um, you know, as someone that is bisexual and part of that community, you know, the community, i, you know, the trans debate has gotten so toxic . and i always go back to, you know, imagine you are , you know, know, imagine you are, you know, a kid watching gb news a young kid watching gb news right now. your parents have got

it on and you know, you're trans and want to talk about it and you do want to talk about it with them. and you've just listened to something like that. and not you're not doing it and it's not you're not doing it for attention. you're not doing it. you want get the girls it. you want to get in the girls bathroom. have bathroom. you genuinely have gender and i think gender dysphoria. and i think that issue of our that this is a real issue of our time. and i think that we're trying figure out what the trying to figure out what the best for everyone trying to figure out what the besthow for everyone trying to figure out what the besthow do for everyone trying to figure out what the besthow do we for everyone trying to figure out what the besthow do we accommodate people trying to figure out what the best are do we accommodate people trying to figure out what the best are transe accommodate people trying to figure out what the best are transe achhat'sdate people trying to figure out what the best are trans e achhat's the people that are trans and what's the right thing to do? what's the wrong and it is so wrong thing to do? and it is so easy to start chipping away at, well, sense. well, that makes no sense. and well, that makes no sense. and well, a joke of well, we can make a joke out of it and there are real people there. course you know, there. and of course you know, i've got to take issue with this because you're saying, oh, the children who children out there who are who know that they're trans. >> can you how can >> i mean, how can you how can you know that you're you're trans i mean, trans before you've i mean, maybe there's a maybe there's a small proportion of people who genuinely . you know, they're genuinely. you know, they're a less continue. >> there are less than like, i think it's like half a million trans people in the uk in total. think it's like half a million trans and le in the uk in total. think it's like half a million trans and there'se uk in total. think it's like half a million trans and there's been in total. think it's like half a million trans and there's been a total. think it's like half a million trans and there's been a huge, yeah. and there's been a huge, tiny but there's been huge tiny but there's been a huge explosion in the number of genden explosion in the number of gerthe number of gender clinics >> the number of gender clinics

in gone from from in the usa has gone from from three to over 90. in just a few short years, it's suddenly become this multi—billion dollar industry. and you've got, uh, school counsellors and teachers and people in the leftist establishment who are putting these ideas in children's heads. >> yeah. i mean, to be fair, i can tell that you two have swapped because me, swapped genders because this me, me, are talking about comedy. >> so let's get back on topic. >> so let's get back on topic. >> we have jvt doing this >> so we have jvt doing this brilliant routine and the whole kind of the snotty reviewers who are like, oh no , he can't are like, oh no, he can't terribly be funny because he's, he's popular and i don't like that everybody's laughing at his things. >> but then have a caster >> but then you have a caster who also a very popular who is also a very popular comedian and he is using gervais's name as a punchline. yeah and that is very interesting because gervais is popular. now. forgive me, i am not in any way taking away from the trans debate. i'm just trying to shift our debate back onto of what we can onto this idea of what we can joke about as a trans woman . joke about as a trans woman. >> that. >> i appreciate that. >> i appreciate that. >> welcome. i i love >> you're welcome. i i love that, though, because actually

do. >> well, why not? if we're talking here about clout and getting your name in the papers, i actually remember, think i actually remember, um, i think it a documentary of joan it was a documentary of joan rivers. ten it was a documentary of joan riversago. ten it was a documentary of joan riversago. she ten it was a documentary of joan riversago. she was ten it was a documentary of joan riversago. she was talkingen it was a documentary of joan riversago. she was talking about years ago. she was talking about her advice to the younger comics was pick a fight with a comic that's little bigger than that's a little bit bigger than you. of the you. yeah, because of the publicity. she publicity. that was what she used them to do. so used to advise them to do. so this what you about this is what you said about frankie boyle? >> , well, leo's a bit >> yeah, well, leo's a bit bigger than me. >> don't really want to pick >> i don't really want to pick on him, a good tactic . on him, so it's a good tactic. >> yeah. so? so what? fair play. that's just what you guys do to get . get ahead. >> yeah, i judge you guys. >> yeah, i judge you guys. >> you're now. >> hey, you're in it now. >> hey, you're in it now. >> sat us. don't you >> you're sat with us. don't you try and do this yourself. you don't, don't have to become don't, you don't have to become one of us. promise for me , one of us. i promise for me, this deconstruct this somewhat. >> the thing that always makes me chuckle slightly is this is this idea of punching up and down. and to use progressive language, that is a social construct , right? because who construct, right? because who decides who is high and low status? yes high status rich person. rich trans person. what are they? oh, are they low

status? now all of a sudden it becomes this hypocrisy and who is the arbiter of who should be high and low status ? which is high and low status? which is the very reason i think all things are open to comedy attack. yeah. and i don't mean that in a nasty way. on attack. yeah. and i don't mean that in a nasty way. oh look at that. isn't that weird? no i don't think that's funny. and i think going back to something you have said for many years now, it's all about merit. rac leo and the audience is the judge. yeah. so the reason that a room full of 10,000 people watching gervais perform watching ricky gervais perform are laughing is because they find it funny, and the reason that a room full of 2000 people watching james acaster perform are laughing is because they, too, find it funny . yeah, and too, find it funny. yeah, and comedy is subjective . what you comedy is subjective. what you can't say at any point , comedy is subjective. what you can't say at any point, i don't believe is that is the right type of and that is the type of comedy, and that is the wrong comedy. now wrong type of comedy. yeah. now what? to what graham what? going back to what graham linehan saying, can linehan was saying, you can argue subject argue about the subject matter and can say, do you realise and you can say, do you realise what you're joking about? would you it another way? what are you do it another way? what are your views ? you can your political views? you can take to task on that.

take a comedian to task on that. i wouldn't i would i personally wouldn't i would say, was it funny? yes it was and leave it there. but what's also interesting ricky also interesting about ricky gervais he his his , uh, gervais is he in his in his, uh, about illegal immigration, for example , he's repeating verbatim example, he's repeating verbatim the accepted woke opinion . the accepted woke opinion. >> he says, oh, i love going down. i love it when the illegal immigrants come in. people know , immigrants come in. people know, people saying it people know. he's saying it sarcastically. people know he's ridiculing but he's ridiculing it. but what he's saying is the accepted woke saying is just the accepted woke opinion. and if gary lineker said it a normal tone of said it in a normal tone of voice, it just voice, it would just be a regular for lineker regular thing for gary lineker to say. it was pretty much to say. and it was pretty much the the his trans the same with the with his trans material. i just think if material. and i just think if your world view is so ridiculous that somebody can satirise it and make it hilarious just by saying it verbatim, just by saying it verbatim, just by saying it verbatim, just by saying it out loud, then there's obviously a problem with your with your opinion , with your with your opinion, with your with your opinion, with your with your opinion, with your with your worldview, with your opinion immigration opinion on immigration or whatever is . whatever it is. >> but it's interesting because you about how, uh , paul you said about how, uh, paul said about how, you know, you have different groups of have two different groups of people two different people laughing at two different

comedians . and that is the comedians. and that is the wonderful thing about comedy. it's so broad and it's weird because we're always making jokes. but, uh , if somebody jokes. but, uh, if somebody doesn't like our sense of humour , it's all like, you're not funny. and it's like , no, funny. and it's like, no, probably you, mate . but probably not to you, mate. but the other the person sat next to you. i am so you've always got thatissue you. i am so you've always got that issue as well. the personal taste. why not have taste. so why not have everything? let's and let's hear lots of different things and get lots of different things and get lots different opinions . lots of different opinions. >> yeah. >> it's fun. yeah. >> it's fun. yeah. >> it's fun. yeah. >> i ricky gervais >> and i love ricky gervais and i acaster. sure i love james acaster. i'm sure james acaster will be disgusted to hear that after the break. if you're off sick from work, how's this? for a helpful suggestion, just for a run. we'll discuss just go for a run. we'll discuss it

gb news radio. >> welcome back to the saturday night showdown. no workers signed off sick are being encouraged to go for a run in order to get well enough to work again . other activities like again. other activities like gardening, are also to be

prescribed under plans for a national occupational therapy service. someone who knows how to stay fit at any age is diana moran. let's get her recommends sessions. hi diana, thanks so much for joining sessions. hi diana, thanks so much forjoining us. much for joining us. >> it's my pleasure to join you. yes, there's quite a lot that you can do. i'm 84 and i still do quite a lot to keep myself fit and active . and i still fit and active. and i still work. of course . wow. but work. of course. wow. but i mean, the basic things that people can be doing is going for that run or if they can't run. and a lot of people won't run, then go for a very brisk walk. and that'll put the heart rate up, get the heart and the lungs working really, really well. and of course, keep your bones strong as well . and if you can't strong as well. and if you can't do any of that, get out there and do a bit of gardening right. >> and diana, what's, what's youn >> and diana, what's, what's your, um , daily routine. is your, um, daily routine. what is it? look like? it? what does it look like? >> uh, at its, uh, slower than it was, let's put it that way . it was, let's put it that way. um, my daily routine is a

particular movement that i do when i get out of bed to stretch the whole of my body, make me feel that i'm coming alive . and feel that i'm coming alive. and then if you knew me and you knew where i live here, i'm up and down three flights of stairs all day long. i'm a very, very busy person. but when i can, when i can, well, it's certainly working for you, diana. >> i would never have thought that. you're 84. that's. that's incredible . well, um. and i incredible. well, um. and i mean, do you think this is this is a sign that the government is starting to be holistic starting to be more holistic about and of about health, and instead of just treating people when they get ill, they're looking to get ahead of that and help people to stay healthy before they get ill. >> and this is exactly what they should be doing. i was looking at an october uh, at a report, an october uh, 2000, 2023 and 21, nearly 29 of the uk population is obese. that's just awful. and it's one of the highest rates in europe. so we should be very, very

ashamed of that. and what's worrying is that people perhaps of your age, i'm not quite sure how old you are , but 27 people how old you are, but 27 people are , right. okay well, so when are, right. okay well, so when you're 45 to 74, that's the age group where three quarters of the people are overweight. now that's terrible , isn't it? wow. that's terrible, isn't it? wow. because i have to say that being as old as i am, having stayed fairly fit throughout most of my life , i enjoy life. i can still life, i enjoy life. i can still do things, and i really he really concerns me when i see these very overweight people waddling along. they're not able to enjoy anything that i do. um, in the same way. and you know, when they get to my age, they will be sitting there. they won't have had the saddest faction of their jobs either. so they've got to do something about it. and of course, watch the diet as well. >> yeah. i mean, we, we're

>> yeah. and i mean, we, we're seeing, uh, we're seeing people that are having their lives cut short because they're obese. but as you say, they're also not getting the full enjoyment out of life because they can't they can't move around. they can't, you know, have have that kind of fun. i mean, would you say fun. i mean, what would you say to maybe out there to someone who's maybe out there might have indulged bit too might have indulged a bit too much over christmas period much over the christmas period to sort of kick start? uh, a healthier lifestyle? what's the best way of sort easing into best way of sort of easing into it ? it? >> well, i love to keep things really, really simple . so really, really simple. so i always quote the three f's. look at your diet and eat more , more at your diet and eat more, more fish, fruit and fibre and then look at the diet again and eat less of the four s's. so that's it. pre—prepared food . um, such it. pre—prepared food. um, such with saturated fats, of course. salt and sugar and all these sorts of things are going to keep you in a better shape. and if you're in a better shape, then you can feel proud of

yourself. and then you want to go out and do all these things that you know, we should be able to do as life goes on. i mean, we've got to get people back to work . you're talking about work. you're talking about bringing in all the immigrants, those immigrants , in all those immigrants, in all fairness, many, many of them are filling the jobs that an awful lot of these overweight people should be doing. but can't do because of their excess weight. and if they lose the weight , and if they lose the weight, then they would be physically , then they would be physically, mentally , much better in their mentally, much better in their heads. they'd be. they'd be happier altogether, and they'd be in a better shape . why don't be in a better shape. why don't they look in the mirror? diana >> completely agree. obese people are responsible for the small boats crossings. uh it's been an absolute inspiration to talk to you. i hope you have a fantastic, fantastic hogmanay. and i hope you let your, uh, your three s's and your. three f's slide a little bit so you can have a of a mince pie and but thanks so much for joining

us. have a great one. uh, now i'll speak to my panel about that noticed that because i've noticed i've noficed that because i've noticed i've noticed social the uh noticed on social media the uh it's thing sort it's become a thing this sort of, it fat of, uh, they call it fat acceptance or body positivity. and so you've got all these, um, social media influencers who are influencing people to basically sit around getting fat and they, you know, they post on social media, say, i'm healthy media, they say, oh, i'm healthy at they do at any size. they do unfortunately, drop down dead a few later . but do you few years later. but do you think this is i mean, this is a malaise of our time. then, um , malaise of our time. then, um, possibly i think that the body , possibly i think that the body, uh, the positivity movement uh, the fat positivity movement is kind of going the other way. >> now because we, i believe, for, for quite, uh, influential, fat, positive people have recently, very recently died . yeah. >> um, and so did a few of the people carrying the coffins. >> so, so we've got very bad backs. >> so . so, um, that has happened >> so. so, um, that has happened recently, but this , um, scheme recently, but this, um, scheme is to try and get people to to, recover quicker so that they can

get back into work and it is actually quite a nice holistic kind of target that , like you kind of target that, like you said, that the government have gone for. because if you are already sick and you kind of you're sat there and you can't work your mood is not going to be improved. yeah. but if you can least go out a walk can at least go out for a walk or you can get outside, get into the fresh for yourself the fresh air, even for yourself , you might feel better and more positive and able to physically do things and then get back into work. but my question is how are they going to sort of monitor this? because you can give somebody the prettiest little planners . you can make them sign planners. you can make them sign up to all the apps. but unless you're there, like smack in the sausage roll out of their hand, you can't like , you can't be you can't like, you can't be there to monitor what they're doing. >> that's a great idea. we could smack sausage out of smack sausage rolls out of people's . louis, is it people's hands. louis, is it time bring back physical time to bring back physical bullying? as diane was saying bullying? no as diane was saying , i don't think that's gonna. >> i don't think that's gonna help. >> especially because i think the point here is about mental health, i think, is that when

you get off sick and then you're you're stuck in bed, then it becomes thing. becomes a mental health thing. so out, get so the idea is get out, get physical, you run. and if physical, you know, run. and if you walk, i cannot you can't run, walk, i cannot run. i do a lot of walking run. so i do a lot of walking because that's the only thing you you're a dad. you can do when you're a dad. that's sleep is like, you can do when you're a dad. thai s sleep is like, you can do when you're a dad. thai can'tep is like, you can do when you're a dad. thai can't go is like, you can do when you're a dad. thai can't go to is like, you can do when you're a dad. thai can't go to gym. ke, oh, i can't go to the gym. i can't do running, but i can can't do any running, but i can walk push a pram just about. walk and push a pram just about. and kept me in and that's what's kept me in such shape for last such good shape for the last three but no, three years. yeah. um but no, i do think, um, the only thing i don't like about this is that it's basically saying that your boss who signed you off sick is going to be encouraging you to do exercise. it's none of their damn business. i don't want my boss telling me. what do you mean? >> it's none of their business. >> it's none of their business. >> it's none of their business. >> it's like, surely if you're off sick costing them money and costing the taxpayer money. costing but costing not gary lineker, but people who their taxes. people who pay their taxes. >> are signed sick, people who pay their taxes. >> is are signed sick, people who pay their taxes. >> is your'e signed sick, people who pay their taxes. >> is your private d sick, people who pay their taxes. >> is your private medical(, that is your private medical business and you and your doctor can decide what course of action is, should it be your boss calling you saying, see calling you up saying, i can see you done any steps today you haven't done any steps today or that . i think or something like that. i think that's really dodgy place to

that's a really dodgy place to go. boss going go. what's next? my boss going to medication i can to tell me what medication i can and have? that's a great and cannot have? that's a great idea. >> e finally e-m >> this guy's finally coming up with >> this guy's finally coming up witiamazing. i mean, paul, what >> amazing. i mean, paul, what do think? i think you know a do you think? i think you know a boss should involved boss should should be involved in you're costing the in this. if you're costing the boss well as a member of boss money. well as a member of the fat community, if i wasn't, i outraged. the fat community, if i wasn't, i i outraged. the fat community, if i wasn't, i i wasn'ttraged. the fat community, if i wasn't, i i wasn't so;ed. the fat community, if i wasn't, i i wasn't so sleepy. when >> if i wasn't so sleepy. when you talked about sausage rolls, i was like, i started daydreaming. i came back around and, uh , lewis was talking about and, uh, lewis was talking about the boss telling you what medication have, and medication you could have, and i started thinking about sausage rolls i do, you know rolls again. but i do, you know what? do you know what i'm a libertarian. i'm a libertarian. so i agree with lewis is so i agree with lewis. lewis is right . there is an of right. there is an element of this which, know what? this which, you know what? people are allowed to fat people are allowed to get fat if they to. now, course, people are allowed to get fat if they is to. now, course, people are allowed to get fat if they is health n, course, people are allowed to get fat if they is health n, here. ;e, people are allowed to get fat if they is health n, here. and there is a health risk here. and there's a societal risk in terms . of the cost to society because if you are overweight and you're unhealthy and you're you're a drain on the services and it's something do to prevent something you can do to prevent it. course, i understand all it. of course, i understand all of that. the idea that a boss would involved a bit would get involved is a bit tncky would get involved is a bit tricky for however this

tricky for me. however this whole thing pretty positive. whole thing is pretty positive. it's something everybody can do. by it's something everybody can do. by moran , the by the way, diana moran, the amazing , by the way, diana moran, the amazing, amazing. i by the way, diana moran, the amazing , amazing. i almost sent amazing, amazing. i almost sent some flirting there, by the way, leon, with you, with you and i wish i was quite impressed with mate. didn't know there were still life old dog, still some life in the old dog, but, um, talking about not but, um, talking about you, not diana, but but do diana, by the way. but but do you know what? can't find an you know what? i can't find an issue i issue with this. i mean, i wouldn't would wouldn't like. i would say i wouldn't like. i would say i wouldn't like. i would say i wouldn't like my boss wouldn't like it if my boss called told me called me up and told me i should . uh, and eat should lose weight. uh, and eat better . but should lose weight. uh, and eat better. but i'm on headliners. three nights of the week where at host a says at least one host a week says you should lose weight and eat better. i thought were better. paul i thought you were going to say i'm headliners going to say i'm on headliners three and that's three times a week, and that's like because like going to the gym, because that's not you're literally sitting down. >> yes, the whole time. >> yes, the whole time. >> like to the gym. yeah >> that's all what i thought was interesting was that, um, she said over seconds said it's the over 45 seconds that problems . that are the biggest problems. so really, you we fixed it so really, you know, we fixed it the because you know the younger because you know what old, what my, um, my 14 year old, when i buy unhealthy food for myself, he will take it. and i never get to eat it. so it's his fault. yeah. um, but then he will judge. judge the will also judge. judge the

things not things i eat that it's not healthy enough. think the healthy enough. so i think the young really health young are actually really health conscious and they're getting their in and that. so their exercise in and that. so it's not really problem . it's not really their problem. um, it's really the, the over 40 fives that should. um, it's really the, the over 40 five it's|at should. um, it's really the, the over 40 five it's interesting ld. um, it's really the, the over 40 five it's interesting that you say >> it's interesting that you say that you've got 14 year old that you've got a 14 year old kid. is like a diana moran kid. this is like a diana moran moment. were about 22. >> i thought, there's way >> i thought, there's no way you've a 14 old you've got a 14 year old kid anyway seems everybody is anyway, it seems everybody is healthy me. anyway, it seems everybody is heastay me. anyway, it seems everybody is heastay us. me. anyway, it seems everybody is heastay us. asne. anyway, it seems everybody is heastay us. as after the >> stay with us. as after the break, we'll be asking what your worst ever christmas gifts are. see you in a

to -- to close the show out, we're asking you a simple question. what are the worst christmas gifts you've ever received? uh, diane , have you ever got a bad diane, have you ever got a bad one? do you know what? >> i'm not sure about the worst christmas gifts i've ever received. i've received some confusing ones . i thought we confusing ones. i thought we were going to. i'm sorry i didn't prep for this bit. i

thought we were going to talk about year's resolutions. i about new year's resolutions. i had in me. had that locked in me. >> you ever received >> have you ever received a terrible new year's resolution? >> have you ever received a terroh, new year's resolution? >> have you ever received a terroh, constantly.. resolution? >> oh, constantly. >> oh, constantly. >> like that. no i'm >> they're all like that. no i'm going says going to give up. my mom says she's up marmite. she's going to give up marmite. >> that's an easy one give >> that's an easy one to give up. no, it's not. it's disgusting. >> delicious. i don't >> it's delicious. like i don't know she's going to cope. know how she's going to cope. she's down she's going to cut down on marmite really marmite and cheese. i'm really worried state. worried about her mental state. >> about kidney >> i'm relaxed about her kidney stones. sounds like >> i'm relaxed about her kidney stoexcellent sounds like >> i'm relaxed about her kidney stoexcellent dietary sounds like >> i'm relaxed about her kidney stoexcellent dietary move.; like >> i'm relaxed about her kidney stoexcellent dietary move. it'se >> i'm relaxed about her kidney s mean, lent dietary move. it'se >> i'm relaxed about her kidney smean, lookingtary move. it'se >> i'm relaxed about her kidney smean, looking at/ move. it'se >> i'm relaxed about her kidney smean, looking at presentst'se i mean, looking at presents because we've got, um, it's been revealed in the papers this week. i mean, it's hardly the scoop of the century, but the royals each other, like, royals give each other, like, novelty . uh, apparently, novelty gifts. uh, apparently, because i guess if you can buy a diamond encrusted sceptre , you diamond encrusted sceptre, you don't really. there's no point like trying to find a find a nice gift . so like trying to find a find a nice gift. so some of like trying to find a find a nice gift . so some of the nice gift. so some of the novelty , novelty gifts they've novelty, novelty gifts they've got, kate got a grow your own girl friend. uh, kit for, uh, for harry. um, we see, we can see how that turned out. and then he married her. >> yeah, yeah. and somebody else got a leather toilet seat, which

just sounds like it. >> yeah, that sounds like a hygiene nightmare. >> it's the real thing . this is >> it's the real thing. this is a real thing. >> i just read it in hello! magazine >> they got them a leather toilet seat, a leather toilet seat. like kind seat. not like some kind of fetish thing. >> possibly be. well, also, >> like possibly be. well, also, i'd worried about sticking i'd be worried about it sticking when you stand up. because you know what leather couches are like the summer. yeah. like in the in the summer. yeah. i've i've had. you i've had, i've had. have you ever into if you ever get ever get into if you ever get into mercedes, bucket seat into a mercedes, uh, bucket seat wearing . oh my god, you wearing speedos. oh my god, you need to prized over that. need to be prized over that. >> that's terrific >> that's my terrific summer. yeah >> what sort of red letter day? isn't that ? isn't that? >> oh, i know a bad present i gave someone. >> oh, yeah ? >> oh, yeah? >> oh, yeah? >> what was it? oh, yeah. >> what was it? oh, yeah. >> so my husband and i were driving along and we saw a microlight in the sky, and he says, that would be great. says, wow, that would be great. but that's what i thought he said. and he actually said, wow, that would be great. and so i got him a microlight day out and um, he didn't know what it was. but the day before he opened it,

he had been watching microlight crashes on youtube and he thought it was the same as basically strapping a kite to a lawnmower and entrusting your life to it. yeah >> so when you thought you were just after the life insurance, well, got the card, my well, when he got the card, my husband's really formula husband's really into formula one and was formula one husband's really into formula one like was formula one husband's really into formula one like printingas formula one husband's really into formula one like printing .. formula one car, like printing. >> it's like days out and. oh, yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> oh you're amazing. you've got me out . me out. >> but thankfully, they let me swap it all right. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> for something that stayed on the ground. >> yes. >> yes. >> thank god. >> thank god. >> yes. amazing >> yes. amazing >> strange. but i don't leave it up to chance. i tell people what to but where's the fun? to buy me. but where's the fun? the fun that i'll send them the fun is that i'll send them three i wouldn't three things that i wouldn't mind having. a surprise. mind having. so it's a surprise. >> like what i got. >> like what i got. >> but i am really. i don't like people clothes, so to people buying me clothes, so to avoid buying me clothes , avoid people buying me clothes, i'm like, here's some things i'd like. you're never like. and so then you're never disappointed. trouble like. and so then you're never disajbuyingi. trouble like. and so then you're never disajbuying clothes trouble like. and so then you're never disajbuying clothes for trouble like. and so then you're never disajbuying clothes for someone with buying clothes for someone is know, is very hard to, you know, especially if you're an unauthored or unauthored size like me or possibly europol. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean, i would say just go elasticated you're sure .

elasticated if you're not sure. >> yeah, that's my advice. >> yeah, that's my advice. >> we're back on the speedos. >> we're back on the speedos. >> yeah, that is that what we're talking about? >> i was once given censored on toothpaste as christmas toothpaste as a christmas present. what? present. you give me what? unironically censored on toothpaste? >> like, a lot of packs of sensodyne one. just one. >> sensodyne . >> sensodyne. >> sensodyne. >> you go mate, and i never i mean, i do brush teeth mean, i do brush my teeth regularly, but i never complained having complained about having sensitive teeth. sensodyne toothpaste. >> got you that? >> who got you that? >> who got you that? >> just was relative >> it was just it was a relative who's since passed , right. who's now since passed, right. >> because died after you >> because they died after you stabbed with the toothbrush? >> no, didn't, was >> no, i didn't, no, that was never proven. >> , you know, have >> dan, you know, do you have any year's resolutions ? any new year's resolutions? >> got i'm going to go >> i've got one. i'm going to go swimming. >> w- >> right. great. yeah. >> right. great. yeah. >> excited about >> i'm really excited about that. >> it's just a thing do. >> it's just a thing to do. >> it's just a thing to do. >> sounds like a >> yeah. that sounds like it's a resolution for me because, like, can swim? can you swim? >> i, i well, i used to swim >> i, i do well, i used to swim quite a lot, but now i'm in south—west london. they they've they've and they've closed my local pool and they've closed my local pool and they build a new one. so they didn't build a new one. so i'm, i have i am waterless , but, i'm, i have i am waterless, but, um, my parents live near bournemouth. so at some point i'm determined to get in the sea

because i didn't swim once in 2023. so you're going to go for a swim and your mum's giving up. >> marmite. these are very achievable. aim high, aim high. diane put me yourselves. you're gonna open a cupboard door and close it again. >> yeah, yeah . >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> eat some spaghetti hoops. >> eat some spaghetti hoops. >> got two this year. >> i've got two this year. >> i've got two this year. >> what is i actually want >> what is that? i actually want to make um. like the to make more of, um. like the celebration is like. i'm so terrible being like, my terrible for being like, oh, my god, valentine's today , god, it's valentine's day today, or or even or it's pancake day, or even like, my mom's like, oh, it's my mom's birthday. actually want to, birthday. i actually want to, like, like, you like, get ahead and like, you know make feel know, really make people feel special things. so that's special and do things. so that's number one. and the other one, i mean, it's a bit deep, but i want to actually because when you're sleep you're a dad and you're so sleep deprived, it's like i'm just surviving. want to deprived, it's like i'm just survi'feeling want to deprived, it's like i'm just survi'feeling like want to deprived, it's like i'm just survi'feeling like these nt to deprived, it's like i'm just survi'feeling like these are) deprived, it's like i'm just survi'feeling like these are the start feeling like these are the golden years. like i'll miss these actually try and golden years. like i'll miss thesea actually try and golden years. like i'll miss thesea moment actually try and golden years. like i'll miss thesea moment to :ually try and golden years. like i'll miss thesea moment to slow try and golden years. like i'll miss thesea moment to slow down|d golden years. like i'll miss thesea moment to slow down and take a moment to slow down and be is this is be like, no, this is this is good. you're good. even though you're exhausted . exhausted. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> no, having kids is amazing. >> no, having kids is amazing. >> yeah, i mean, my i wasn't the same every year to make it to the next one alive. he's just, you know. >> no, no no. type two again. fingers crossed .

fingers crossed. >> just we just finally we finally got a lower bar than going for a swim . that's that's going for a swim. that's that's amazing . amazing. >> just get to the end. you know, it's cold out there. >> get the sausage roll countdown. >> giving me grief . >> giving me grief. >> giving me grief. >> anaemia like you. could you could go in july when it's warm . could go in july when it's warm. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> go in the sea. by the way, i can't do my new year's resolution for the first six months. >> that's how hard it is. >> that's how hard it is. >> going to be champing >> you're going to be champing at bit yeah, you're just at the bit and yeah, you're just going be dodging accidents, going to be dodging accidents, champing at the bit. >> there's some available. >> if there's some available. we're not sure. >> not sure, but it's a bit of. but that's it for the saturday night show down tonight. but please keep watching gb news because later on tonight at 11 pm. we've got a headliners, p.m. we've got a headliners, which is three top comedians. uh, not the ones on the panel tonight, but three other top comedians going through next comedians going through the next day's get day's news stories. you'll get tomorrow's newspapers tonight and next. we've got andrew doyle gb news royalty taking over with gb news royalty taking over with gb news royalty taking over with gb news tonight . thanks for gb news tonight. thanks for watching. goodbye .

watching. goodbye. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boiler is sponsors of whether on gb news . whether on gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell. well looking ahead to new year's eve for most of us we're going to end 2023 on a cheery note . and for a fairly cheery note. and for some in the south it's still going blustery. going to be pretty blustery. so as we end saturday we've still got this area of low pressure really dominating proceedings got this area of low pressure realicoldminating proceedings got this area of low pressure realicoldminatwill3roceedings got this area of low pressure realicoldminatwill continue gs got this area of low pressure realicoldminatwill continue to this cold front will continue to spread its way eastwards across the country. some fairly heavy rain on it and strong and rain on it and some strong and gusty winds. it will become quite moving across the quite slow moving across the very far north of scotland as we go course of the go through the course of the night, it is night, then behind it is a mixture of spells a mixture of clear spells and a scattering showers . mixture of clear spells and a scattering showers. in mixture of clear spells and a scattering showers . in the scattering of showers. in the clearer skies it will turn quite chilly but most of us chilly, but i think most of us frost away from scotland, frost free away from scotland, so . into new year's eve any so. into new year's eve any overnight rain will quickly clear the far east of england and for many of us it's a

mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers. some of the showers, especially come the afternoon, will be heavy and thundery , but the rain across thundery, but the rain across the very far north of scotland, especially for shetland, really just stay there day for just stay in there all day for many, a slightly cooler day than today, but still not doing too badly for the time of year. looking ahead to new year's day for many northern areas, it's a mixture of some bright spells, but a scattering of showers once again. further south, a much dner again. further south, a much drier and brighter day, a brief respite in the weather before unfortunately further rain comes in later on in the day and that sets us up for a fairly unsettled few days as we start 2024. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on .

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