also as well, the bosses of ftse 100 companies have today already earned the salary that will take the average uk worker. the rest of the year to earn. how much of a problem is this pay inequality in your mind? tell me and boris johnson says that he's worried about the politicisation of the metropolitan police. he's referring to there investigation into alleged israeli war crimes. what do you think to that? is he right or not? and last but not least, of course names associated now with the jeffrey jeffrey epstein case have been released. was that the right move and what would it mean, perhaps for the people that are on there? and have you seen as well prince andrew? he's again been to the been referred back to the metropolitan been referred back to the metroipeople i'm suspecting will many people i'm suspecting will hope that all of this will just go away . well, we're going to

go away. well, we're going to debate all of that. but before we do, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's latest news headlines. >> michelle. thank you. good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb newsroom tonight. the prime minister has confirmed today he is working towards general election in towards a general election in the second half of this year. rishi sunak, who's been under some pressure to call a vote, made the comments during a visit to the east midlands today. both labour and the liberal democrats have for spring have been pushing for a spring election the minister election. the prime minister declined rule that out, declined to rule that out, saying instead he wants to focus on the economy , cutting taxes on the economy, cutting taxes and illegal migration. and tackling illegal migration. >> my working assumption is we'll have a general election in the second half of this year and in the meantime, i've got lots that i want to get on with. this saturday will be introducing a significant tax cut for millions of people in work worth, on average, for average average, £450 for an average worker. because we've halved inflation, we want to keep

managing and managing the economy well and cutting taxes. i cutting people's taxes. and i want keep tackling illegal want to keep tackling illegal migration. and we cut the number of last year by over a of arrivals last year by over a third. we've to do third. but we've got more to do and want to get the rwanda and we want to get the rwanda scheme through parliament and up and running. so look, i've got plenty with and that's plenty to get on with and that's what focussed on doing, what i'm focussed on doing, delivering for the british people. the labour leader >> meanwhile, the labour leader said he's ready the said he's ready to go to the polls now and he's criticised the prime minister for delaying the prime minister for delaying the accusing him of the vote, accusing him of wasting his new year wasting time during his new year speech. sir keir starmer vowed to stand up for working people and said the character of politics will change if labour wins power and if the prime minister is now hinting that it's going to be later in the yean it's going to be later in the year, then i think the question is what? >> what's he hiding? well, this is a serious issue for the country. if he can't name a date, then effectively he's just squatting in downing street, holding the country back with his dithering and delaying . so his dithering and delaying. so he needs to come clean . he needs to come clean. >> more bad weather is on the

way. nottinghamshire county council today declared a major incident along the river trent because of flooding and rising river levels , and that's as more river levels, and that's as more heavy rain is forecast to hit the uk with a yellow alert in place until 3 am. in regions from cornwall right across east to norfolk . train operators are to norfolk. train operators are also warning services could be cancelled tomorrow because of the weather. meanwhile an incident during storm henk on tuesday has forced thames valley police to refer itself for independent investigation after a driver died after hitting a tree in oxfordshire. it happened about an hour and a half after police received a report the tree had fallen . detectives tree had fallen. detectives investigating the murder of a teenager stabbed in london on new year's eve are appealing now for the public's help. they've released images of two people they want to identify . if you're they want to identify. if you're watching on television, you can see them now and the police are saying they were pictured in nonh saying they were pictured in north london on sunday night. 16 year old harry pitman died

dunng year old harry pitman died during what's been described as an altercation as crowds gathered on primrose hill in to london watch the new year's eve fireworks. three teenagers were arrested in connection with the murder. at first, but have since been bailed pending further enquiries . been bailed pending further enquiries. now as you've been hearing, prince andrew has been reported to the police by the campaign group republic after more allegations of sexual assault were revealed in unsealed epstein court documents . the duke of york, donald trump and bill clinton are among over 150 people named in those documents detailing connections to jeffrey epstein. the unsealed files were part of a civil lawsuit against epstein's associate ghislaine maxwell, who is herself serving a 20 year sentence for recruiting underage girls for epstein , many of those girls for epstein, many of those named aren't accused of any wrongdoing. the document also includes an allegation by one woman, johanna sjoberg , claiming woman, johanna sjoberg, claiming the duke of york touched her

inappropriately in 2001. more documents are expected to be unsealed or unredacted in the coming days . unsealed or unredacted in the coming days. the so—called islamic state terror group has claimed responsibility for the attacks that killed nearly 100 in iran, state tv showed footage of crowds running from a memorial for a senior commander killed four years ago. iranian leaders have vowed revenge for the explosions , and the foreign the explosions, and the foreign secretary says attacks by houthi rebels in the red sea must stop immediately. lord cameron made the comments during his visit to a kosovo peacekeeping mission for nato drone attacks by iran backed houthis from yemen in international shipping lanes have drawn condemnation , with have drawn condemnation, with the uk, the us and other countries issuing a joint statement warning there will be consequences . consequences. >> it's not just a british interest, this is a global interest. it really matters that ships are able to carry their cargoes without being attacked

through the red sea, through the suez canal , through the red sea, through the suez canal, canal and through the red sea, through the suez canal , canal and elsewhere suez canal, canal and elsewhere in the world. that's why we've sent ships to help with prosperity. guardian. that's why we use those ships to stop we will use those ships to stop missile attacks . but the clear missile attacks. but the clear message here and over ten countries have signed a statement saying to the houthis , statement saying to the houthis, these attacks are unacceptable , these attacks are unacceptable, they're illegal, and they've got to stop. and if they don't stop action will be taken . action will be taken. >> lord cameron, that's the news on gb news on tv , on digital on gb news on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel . this is britain's news channel. thanks for that polyester dewbs & thanks for that polyester dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry till 7:00 alongside me. >> i've got my panel of pr consultant alex dean and the former labour adviser matt lazor . good evening, good evening, good evening. i'm going to jump massively on the on the darts bandwagon. it's not on my agenda tonight can't resist it. tonight but i can't resist it. all you watch it. all of you watch it. >> i'm a huge fan and i thought your discussion earlier about

encouraging it in schools is a great i we had it in great idea. and i we had it in school on our computer. it was the first computer game i remember playing because it really encourages your math skills. >> yeah. do you agree with that? >> yeah. do you agree with that? >> yeah, i think i think, you know, a bit of darts. >> my mum used to like a bit of darts, you know, half a lager and a quick game of darts. so, um. yeah i'm all in favour of their weeping and warrington still, just imagine, still, uh, you can just imagine, though, parents going. though, all the parents going. >> this straight. >> let me get this straight. i've spent every single weekend in and down in the pouring rain up and down the at the touchlines, the country at the touchlines, getting my kids involved in whether and whether it's football, rugby and actually to do is actually all they have to do is take the pub with them. take them to the pub with them. >> it depends what you're after. if you're after results for financial plainly, financial outcomes. plainly, i think sport to put your think the best sport to put your kid into is golf, where the financial are crazy. financial rewards are crazy. you may not like golf, and you may think investment you to think the investment you have to put the kit and equipment put in in the kit and equipment and very high. and so forth is very, very high. football great things helps people break out break people break out of, uh, break out it's one of the out of poverty. it's one of the routes for people success routes for people to success from the working class in this

country, as is boxing. but for a very accessible sport, for a very accessible sport, for a very expenditure up front . very low expenditure up front. dans very low expenditure up front. darts is brilliant indeed. >> we're speaking about >> and, uh, we're speaking about it with martin second ago and it with martin a second ago and was talking about potentially it with martin a second ago and was talithose )0ul potentially it with martin a second ago and was talithose dart potentially it with martin a second ago and was talithose dart ballstially it with martin a second ago and was talithose dart balls inlly putting those dart balls in classrooms suggesting, classrooms and was suggesting, well, about those darts? classrooms and was suggesting, well, getting out those darts? classrooms and was suggesting, well, getting chuckede darts? classrooms and was suggesting, well, getting chuckede da over we're getting chucked all over at kids, wouldn't at the wrong kids, wouldn't they? actually, during they? um, but actually, during they? um, but actually, during the about it a the break, i thought about it a bit more. i could magnetic bit more. i could get magnetic pick, couldn't you could. pick, couldn't you? you could. yeah. that's true. >> get the velcro >> ones. you get the velcro ones. that's littler started. >> littler started with the magnetic set. >> about 18 months old. >> about 18 months old. >> yeah. in nappies, >> yeah. in his nappies, throwing darts. >> you i'm. dad >> you know, i'm. my dad was a professional player professional ping pong player for first ten years of his for the first ten years of his life. really the cheeky life. he really the cheeky chappy. from australia chappy. they came from australia to britain pay to play ping to britain to pay to play ping pong. really? yeah, pong. did he really? yeah, absolutely. learned something new >> so you learned something new every single day about people. don't everyone. don't you? everyone. anyway, that tell that wasn't on my agenda. tell me you watch it last me though, did you watch it last night? i actually did, and i thoroughly enjoyed it. is thoroughly enjoyed it. what is on your mind though? gb on your mind tonight though? gb views news. is how you views at gb news. com is how you reach me. or you can tweet me at gb kick politics gb news. let's kick off politics then, shall we? because you can tell a new year. you can

tell it's a new year. you can tell it's a new year. you can tell everyone's getting tell that everyone's getting ready election, can't ready for the election, can't you? because you keir you? because you saw keir starmer. was giving uh, starmer. he was giving his, uh, i quite long speech. i i would say quite long speech. i get little bit bored when get a little bit bored when they're too long. start zoning they're too long. i start zoning out. whether or not out. i'm not sure whether or not thatis out. i'm not sure whether or not that is the right approach in this modern day. is that you tell me, you engaged tell me, are you still engaged when sitting you're when you're sitting and you're listening when you're sitting and you're liste off] when you're sitting and you're liste off a little bit? anyway, turn off a little bit? anyway, he was talking about how labour are going to be the party of hope and change. that was a crucial through how crucial word coming through how different are, uh, from different they are, uh, from being of yesteryear. being the party of yesteryear. when corbyn was that when corbyn was ahead of that seconds later, it felt like rishi popped up rishi sunak then popped up trying those trying to wrestle back those headlines, basically saying that he's have, call he's going to have, uh, call the general the second general election in the second half of this year. there's been a speculation about that, half of this year. there's been a lotsspeculation about that, half of this year. there's been a lots ofeculation about that, half of this year. there's been a lots of people1 about that, half of this year. there's been a lots of people1 aboibeen t, and lots of people have been popping up- and lots of people have been popping up. davey with his popping up. ed davey with his tory, removal removal tory, uh, removal removal service of service van and all the rest of it. let's pick aspect you it. let's pick any aspect you want political landscape want of the political landscape of country. of this country. >> em- w'- >> and you've said it a lot there, i think there's lot there, and i think there's a lot to get first of all, to get into. first of all, i generally think long speeches in the a bad idea the modern age are a bad idea for people. don't watch for most people. don't watch a whole speeches anymore. they watch for and clips watch for clips and the clips are for them by media

are chosen for them by media outlets one. and the outlets like this one. and the longer more the longer you go, the more the chances isn't the one longer you go, the more the charwant. isn't the one longer you go, the more the charwant. just sn't the one longer you go, the more the charwant. just pragmatically, longer you go, the more the chtheant. just pragmatically, longer you go, the more the ch the currentiust pragmatically, longer you go, the more the ch the current environment, ally, longer you go, the more the ch the current environment, long in the current environment, long speeches tend a bad idea, speeches tend to be a bad idea, even were secondly even if they were good. secondly it that starmer has it seems to me that starmer has tried distance himself from tried to distance himself from corbyn many times now that corbyn so many times now that he's rather overegging it, and every time he tries to demonstrate the distance from it, reminds people he wanted it, it reminds people he wanted corbyn to be prime minister. thirdly he, um, a good old bit of politicking rishi sunak pops up the day that the leader of the opposition is doing his speech and spikes his guns with some election good some election chat. good old fashioned politicking. you fashioned base politicking. you one enjoy seeing it. let's not pretend it's anything other than that. it quite but that. but it was quite fun. but the thing i think people might have missed today is what's happening with the third party. and success that and it's not the success that sir davey thinks he may have sir ed davey thinks he may have enjoyed surrey . sir ed davey thinks he may have enjoyed surrey. it's sir ed davey thinks he may have enjoyed surrey . it's the enjoyed in surrey. it's the criticisms getting for criticisms he's getting for being the post being the minister for the post office the post office inquiry. >> indeed . >> yes, indeed. >> yes, indeed. >> i think this is actually the biggest of the day and biggest news of the day and publication the that publication of the letter that he back to the hero. hero

he sent back to the hero. hero of the film that we've seen basically telling him to do one that he couldn't possibly see a reason for meeting with him. i think that's the news of the day. think that's the news of the dayyeah, see, and it'll be >> yeah, you see, and it'll be interesting. covered interesting. we covered this, uh, scandal last night uh, horizon scandal last night with peter hitchens aaron with peter hitchens and aaron bastani about bastani and was talking about what the consequences be what should the consequences be of that is you're of that? and that is you're absolutely is going absolutely right. that is going to ed davey. he's to overshadow ed davey. he's come and now in come out and said, now in response that letter that response to that letter that alex's , uh, referring he's alex's, uh, referring to, he's basically come and said that basically come out and said that he feels essentially he feels he was essentially misled people, why misled by people, and that's why he down, uh, meeting alan he turned down, uh, meeting alan bates that in time. can bates at that point in time. can can he turn that around that because this horizon thing has gone but now it's gone on for years. but now it's very much on the public conscience, the dramas, the drama week really drama this week is really brought hasn't it? brought it home, hasn't it? >> it's kind of created alan >> and it's kind of created alan bates into a, into a national hero. and think, most hero. and i think, yes, the most important consequence isn't going be the head of the post going to be the head of the post office time. whether she going to be the head of the post office back whether she going to be the head of the post office back herzther she going to be the head of the post office back heratheher she going to be the head of the post office back heratheher her she going to be the head of the post office back heratheher her cbe, hands back her on her her cbe, it could actually potentially really undermine davey really undermine ed davey because even really undermine ed davey behere even really undermine ed davey behe says even really undermine ed davey behe says he even really undermine ed davey behe says he was even really undermine ed davey behe says he was he en if he says he was misled, he shows a remarkable lack of curiosity about it. at the time, there were lots of it was, you

know, there was of media know, there was lots of media coverage it coverage at the time. it was it was it an active issue. it was it was an active issue. it wasn't like it was something that know, you that he could, you know, you could just sort of pass over. and accepted and he's clearly accepted the briefing given by briefing that he was given by his officials. now going to his officials. he's now going to use of defence, use that as his line of defence, but how long that's but i'm not sure how long that's going hold as well. going to hold as well. >> let's make a basic point that is true in politics it is true in politics now, as it was when it was set out as a principle. advise principle. advisers advise ministers can my ministers decide. you can say my advisers me this that. advisers told me this or that. in reason we elect in the end, the reason we elect you make decisions he you is to make the decisions he made. decision to that made. the decision to sign that letter. chose not to see the letter. he chose not to see the people who were running that campaign he knew people campaign and he knew that people were or 2 were suffering, not 1 or 2 ehhen were suffering, not 1 or 2 either. lots of but you either. lots of them, but you see, i there's part of me that agrees what you're saying, alex. >> but then i think of dominic cummings, many people cummings, and many people would say was adviser. say that he was the adviser. that was also decided. well, that the problem. turned that was the problem. turned that on his head. >> yeah. and where that's that on his head. >> ye.he and where that's that on his head. >> ye.he ran where that's that on his head. >> ye.he ran into where that's that on his head. >> ye.he ran into trouble. that's where he ran into trouble. >> former adviser? >> and you're a former adviser? >> and you're a former adviser? >> got to >> absolutely. you've got to have to have the have the you've got to have the dividing line. i can just say i'm glad i'm not the beginning of year. the january

of the year. the 3rd of january speech. new year's speech. everybody on new year's eve write the eve day trying to write the write the speech, new year's speech. >> p- p— speech. >> us give the viewers >> so give us give the viewers some insight then, that those people have been people that have not been involved kind stuff. involved in this kind of stuff. so been going on, so what will have been going on, what the run up to what goes on in the run up to this big kind of monumental opening of year? this big kind of monumental opeso g of year? this big kind of monumental opeso g of of year? this big kind of monumental opeso g of of yewill have been >> so some of it will have been decided christmas, in decided before christmas, but in particular have particular they will have been they will be got christmas out of because includes of the way because that includes recording the new year message, which few days ago. which is only a few days ago. and the whole team will and then the whole team will have been involved in speech and then the whole team will havel been involved in speech and then the whole team will havel been iriolved in speech and then the whole team will havel been iri want in speech and then the whole team will havel been iri want when speech and then the whole team will havel been iri want when youeech and i mean, i want when you say the whole so you the whole whole team, so you have the director of strategy who feed in from focus who will feed in from the focus groups. got director groups. you've got the director of you've the of comms, you've got the speechwriter. uh you've got the chief has a very chief of staff who has a very powerful chief of in sue powerful chief of staff in sue gray from powerful chief of staff in sue gray yeah, from powerful chief of staff in sue gray yeah, absolutely. from powerful chief of staff in sue gray yeah, absolutely. um,from powerful chief of staff in sue gray yeah, absolutely. um, and kate. yeah, absolutely. um, and so is, so what basically happens is, um, write um, people try and write a speech in the margins of a word document as versions get document as 27 versions get knocked when i used knocked around. so when i used to cannot write a to say, you cannot write a speech you know, people speech in, you know, people putting in a word putting comments in a, in a word document, just need document, and you just need one person pen as it person to hold the pen as it were, otherwise you end were, because otherwise you end up mishmash and you don't up with a mishmash and you don't have coming through. >> but who gets the final say?

is it as alex says, it's literally the minister keir starmer yeah, i mean, ultimately, ultimately the you know, leader signs the know, the leader signs the speech, signs, the speech off. >> but it depends how hands on they terms they are in terms of, in terms of the language. neil kinnock. if we remember to if we remember him, he used to he's writing speeches. he's a love writing speeches. it was his great passions. was one of his great passions. and of them were very and some of them were very good. some way too long, some of them were way too long, but of them are very good. but some of them are very good. so take more of an so he would take more of an interest. just like interest. others just like to take the kind draft and then take the kind of draft and then work it. it depends how work with it. it depends how close with close the relationship is with the whether the speechwriter, whether they feel speechwriter feel that that speechwriter really captures their voice and therefore on them therefore they can rely on them to sound like them. to make it sound like them. >> talking about advisers, to make it sound like them. >> back.king about advisers, to make it sound like them. >> back.king ab�*point./isers, to make it sound like them. >> back.king ab�*point. ofers, alex, back to your point. of course, there was the suggestions sunak been, suggestions that sunak had been, um, discreetly um, potentially discreetly re—engaging um, potentially discreetly re—engagin what do you to cummings. what do you make to that ? that? >> cummings and >> i think cummings and i probably the last japanese soldier on my jungle island defending cummings, sticking his kids his parents when, um, kids with his parents when, um, he'd had his famous trip to barnard castle. but i think cummings has been slinging so much mud at the conservative party, it'd be questionable for me any kind of me to see any kind of restoration can. people restoration you can. people can

give people can give it all sorts of people can give it all sorts of people can give to government. but give a advice to government. but a role would be a formal role would be a surprise to me. i just want to pick up on one thing that matthew said. it's always very easy to hark back to a golden age. well, age. and you may say, well, you would the would say that because the tories thrashing the tories were were thrashing the labour election after labour party election after election. but i remember when kinnock labour kinnock was leader of the labour party that we had really interesting, ideological, thoughtful interesting, ideological, thougof:ul interesting, ideological, thougof the house. margaret sides of the house. margaret thatcher setting out the for case the free market, and neil kinnock, was sometimes kinnock, who was sometimes agony. i remember his advisers writing. saying writing. he was he was saying i can't find the word is he was he was his shakespeare. was looking at his shakespeare. he about he was trying to think about the right to, to champion the right words to, to champion the working that he's working class issues that he's so stood for. so profoundly stood for. i thought a great time in thought that was a great time in politics. you politics. and sometimes, you know, say , oh, the know, people say, oh, the speeches don't really aren't the meaningful thing. it's the substance means things. substance that means things. actually, sometimes good, actually, sometimes the good, decent produces great decent substance produces great speakers and great speeches. yeah. >> and it can produce soundbites. i mean, one of the things that keir very things that keir is very conscious the exact conscious of, i mean, the exact phrase he was looking for phrase when he was looking for speechwriter don't want speechwriter is i don't want somebody i'm somebody who thinks that i'm a

bomber going to bomber because he ain't going to ever bomber. he's never ever be a bomber. he's never going the soaring heights going to hit the soaring heights of know, can of rhetoric that, you know, can move to tears. he move people to tears. so he wanted, know, that wanted, you know, he knows that he's quite a workmanlike speaken he's quite a workmanlike speaker. and he wanted somebody who write in who could who could write in that voice rather than try and make poet. make him a poet. >> i've to say, >> yeah. and i've got to say, this thing baffles me this cummings thing baffles me because so much of what has gone on kind couple on in the last kind of couple of years tories, i look years with the tories, i look and think surely, surely you and i think surely, surely you must sit on, on a most basic level yourself, level and think to yourself, this like right kind this is not like the right kind of thing to doing at this of thing to be doing at this point time. and comes point in time. and when it comes to dominic cummings, why would a tory leader even trust him, even to an initial conversation? to have an initial conversation? >> i don't know the ins and outs. very odd. the exchange that he did or didn't have with number 10. he's clearly someone who had some remarkable insights as what had gone well and not as to what had gone well and not gone during covid and you gone well during covid and you may learn from that, but i would , i think, point out the obvious people in those roles. i work for a political party myself. people in those roles not of people in those roles are not of interest in and of themselves. they are interest because interest in and of themselves. they hold interest because interest in and of themselves. they hold inte role because interest in and of themselves.

they hold inte role through the they hold their role through the imprimatur boss. you imprimatur of their boss. you care far less about what dominic cummings thinks because cummings thinks now, because he's not the trusted mouthpiece , he's not the trusted mouthpiece, or he's not the trusted adviser to number 10. it's the role that makes the person significant . makes the person significant. and they become significant because an elected person made them. so well. i'll tell you who became insignificant, sadiq starmer tried very hard to make jeremy corbyn insignificant. >> labour speech >> a lot of the labour speech was focus of was all about that focus of change. we are different. we are a new party. i'll tell you who wasn't buying into any of that? john mcdonnell. you remember him? of course, from the corbyn era. he's basically piped up today he's been today as well. and he's been saying if labour do saying that if labour do get elected they create elected and they don't create radical change, says it radical change, then he says it will basically mean that britain essentially going to shift to essentially is going to shift to what the far right. what he calls the far right. he's talking about the need for radical change on things like wage policy. so after the break, i want to all that i want to look at all of that and also this wage and also ask this wage inequality ftse 100 bosses are already earning the annual salary for the average uk worker. is that a problem? tell

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adviser matt latham, says michelle, one of your panellists have said that darts is an have just said that darts is an affordable sport. what is he talking about? do you talking about? how much do you think costs get a belly think it costs to get a belly like that's mike's, like that? that's mike's, where's my view mine. where's my view is not mine. i take no responsibility for any offence mike. uh ray offence caused by mike. uh ray says be interested to says you might be interested to know michelle, darts know, michelle, that the darts legend bobby spent years legend bobby george spent years taking his dart board and his darts into schools to help teach the mental maths, so he did the kids mental maths, so he did well. credit to him, says. well. credit to him, jim says. michelle talking politics at happily coast. alma in happily sea coast. alma in number 10. he asks what is the worst that can happen? uh graham says the best thing for this country get rid of the country is to get rid of the shower incompetent, greedy, shower of incompetent, greedy, out—of—touch servants . he out—of—touch civil servants. he says, should also , while says, um, we should also, while right, get of the government right, get rid of the government and opposition start all and the opposition and start all over again on. um, yeah. ian says. who said , never believe says. who said, never believe anything until it's been officially denied latter half of the year, says rishi sunak when talking next general talking about the next general election . uh, ian predicts election dates. uh, ian predicts that means let's go that basically means let's go for then what do you make to for me. then what do you make to it all? i was talking at the

start of the programme, about of course, the political speeches have lot of what keir have started a lot of what keir starmer seemed speak about have started a lot of what keir starmwaseemed speak about have started a lot of what keir starm was eel distancing ak about have started a lot of what keir starm waseerdistancing from out today was a distancing from jeremy corbyn, talking about hope talking often about hope and talking often about being of change and being the party of change and being the party of change and being very different. well, someone that wasn't massively different to jeremy corbyn is chancellor. shadow chancellor. former shadow chancellor. former shadow chanciout' chancellor. former shadow chanciout today also and says spoke out today also and says that if the labour party gets elected , matthew and doesn't elected, matthew and doesn't create what he calls radical change . in the form of things change. in the form of things like wage strategy, which i'll come on to in a second, he says the country essentially is going to to he the to shift to what he calls the far right park. wedge bit far right park. the wedge bit for well, this whole for now. yeah, well, this whole far right notion. then goes far right notion. he then goes on about parties like on to talk about parties like reform uk, etc, expand . reform uk, etc, expand. >> yeah, i mean look so for the what you might call the hard left like jeremy, jeremy corbyn and john mcdonnell, they're always obsessed with, you know, what they would describe as fighting fascism. because that's all the dna. the songs all part of the dna. the songs that they sing , the posters that all part of the dna. the songs tha'up ey sing , the posters that all part of the dna. the songs tha'up anding , the posters that all part of the dna. the songs tha'up and obviouslyosters that all part of the dna. the songs tha'up and obviously great. that

are up and obviously great battles were fought in the past. are up and obviously great batti thinke fought in the past. are up and obviously great batti think to ought in the past. are up and obviously great batti think to dubt in the past. are up and obviously great batti think to dub sortthe past. are up and obviously great batti think to dub sort of past. but i think to dub sort of anybody is mildly anybody who is mildly considering voting for reform as, or is not a as, as far right or is not a wise electoral strategy. so i think keir starmer needs to, uh, not listen to the advice. i think he's right to the extent that i think, you know, labour needs to be about an economy that works for working people , that works for working people, which we'll to which we'll come on to talk about. think that, about. but i think that, you know, apocalyptic know, sort of apocalyptic visions the country turning visions of the country turning to starmer doesn't to fascism. if starmer doesn't do what john mcdonnell says is a bit yeah. do what john mcdonnell says is a bit but yeah. do what john mcdonnell says is a bit but thisah. do what john mcdonnell says is a bit but this whole notion that if >> but this whole notion that if you disagree someone, if you disagree with someone, if someone's you someone's doing something you disagree with heaven forbid disagree with and heaven forbid they believe in they perhaps alex, believe in things controlled things like controlled immigration are by immigration that they are by definition, right definition, these far right lunatic thugs. it's just ridiculous . ridiculous. >> john mcdonnell's perspective of the world. >> um, it's not just john macdonald. no no, but he's the example we're talking about. >> myself as as >> and i remind myself as as i think about him, that not deserving our charity that he wanted to he said that should wanted to he said that he should lynch was lynch a tory minister. who was his to talking about his response to talking about a woman that he didn't like in parliament, a fellow parliamentarian. in britain,

parliamentarian. um, in britain, we should take some in the we should take some pride in the fact have neither fact that we have neither successful right nor successful far right nor successful far right nor successful far right nor successful far movements. successful far right nor suc�*don't l far movements. successful far right nor suc�*don't l far a movements. successful far right nor suc�*don't l far a reallyements. we don't have a really meaningful electoral force in the communist and unlike the communist vein. and unlike our spain with vox, our friends in spain with vox, in france with the front national rebooted national now rebooted in germany, alternative for germany, the alternative for deutschland by polling 20% plus, we, the british national party in this country, deregistered. you know, it's no longer even a political party. so mcdonnell thinks that everyone outside of a very group on the far a very small group on the far left is the far right. and when the words far right come to mean the words far right come to mean the same thing as someone, i disagree with, it loses all meaning . so starmer should just meaning. so starmer should just ignore him. i remember on armistice remember that armistice day, remember that when these , uh, when there was these, uh, concerns cenotaph concerns about the cenotaph being, um, desecrated and vandalised, etc. anyone then had the audacity to say, i don't know, former veterans or whatever. >> that said that they would perhaps go and protect that cenotaph. they were very often referred it referred to as far right. it just around all the just gets thrown around all the time. phrase, doesn't it? time. that phrase, doesn't it? all but of the all too often, but one of the points that mcdonald was

points that john mcdonald was making fact that making was the fact that actually change actually radical change is needed inequality in needed to stop the inequality in this country, which links me nicely to the fact that today is what people are calling fat cat thursday. um, this apparently is the day that by now get this everybody ftse 100 bosses have already earnt right now, here and now . i already earnt right now, here and now. i think it was already earnt right now, here and now . i think it was about and now. i think it was about 1:00 this afternoon. the amount of money that the average uk worker earn by over worker will take to earn by over a year. so one year salary done and dusted already by the ftse 100 bosses. man massive wage inequality. that can't be denied. but is it problematic? no i'm intensely relaxed about people becoming filthy rich as long as they pay their taxes , long as they pay their taxes, said peter mandelson. >> and that's a view with which i agree. there are some people in this country who would rather see the poor get poorer as long as they drag the rich down. that's the politics of envy for you. that's the politics of envy for you- happy that's the politics of envy for you. happy an you. i am happy with an environment in which an improving economy or people employing more than employing more people than innovating investing in that innovating and investing in that kind of environment. corporate

hiring more people and having more jobs . hiring more people and having more jobs. i'm happy in a country where the worst off get better off as a result of an improving economy, and if that means that the most wealthy get even don't do even wealthier, i don't care. do you care much? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i em- e i agree that >> yeah. >> i agree that people >> i mean, i agree that people should for success, should be rewarded for success, but they shouldn't rewarded but they shouldn't be rewarded for think for mediocrity. so i think there is chief is an issue about chief executives getting of executives pay getting out of control the private sector. control in the private sector. there's also an issue in the pubuc there's also an issue in the public we've seen, there's also an issue in the pub know, we've seen, there's also an issue in the pub know, universityrve've seen, you know, university vice chancellors paid three, chancellors being paid three, 400,000. um, you know, twice what the prime minister gets. so so, yeah, i think wage inequality does matter. i'm not inequality does matter. i'm not in favour of the government coming its its size ten coming in with its its size ten boots, i think the boots, but i think the shareholders, which all, most boots, but i think the share have rs, which all, most boots, but i think the share have pensions all, most boots, but i think the share have pensions which , most of us have pensions which through through us, our shareholders put more shareholders should put more pressure ensure that there's pressure to ensure that there's a strategy which a sensible strategy which rewards success. but, you know, but make sure that they're actually you have to achieve serious targets to the serious targets to get the serious targets to get the serious i'm all for that. >> i'm all for the business by business question of whether you've got pay for your you've got the pay for your chief that's a chief exec, right. so that's a question for remuneration

committees. and question committees. and it's a question for as for agm's. it's a question, as you rightly for you rightly say, for shareholders. but idea is shareholders. but the idea is something to something for the state to be involved that's for involved in. that's for the birds. that we birds. and the idea that we should this day as being should mark this day as being something relevant seems to me ridiculous well. ridiculous as well. >> and what about these people toy the ideas ratios, toy with the ideas of ratios, dirty. you're to cap dirty. so you're going to cap the maximum hour. so just to give all clarity at give you all some clarity at home, the average ftse 100 ceo gets about £4 million a year. yes, indeed hear that yes, you did indeed hear that right. average worker right. whilst the average worker apparently about 35,000. so apparently gets about 35,000. so some people will say, well, what you have to do is create a calculation or a mechanism whereby you apply a ratio . so whereby you apply a ratio. so whatever ratio is, you whatever the ratio is, you guys can and means that can decide. and that means that that or woman can not that top guy or woman can not earn than the ratio of that earn more than the ratio of that middle earner. earn more than the ratio of that middle earner . yeah. middle earner. yeah. >> about 100 at the >> so it's about 100 at the moment. and people, you know, you go for anything you campaigners go for anything from 80 100. think from 30, 57, 80 or 100. i think it's very hard for the government to step and do government to step in and do that. but i think not bad that. but i think it's not a bad way know, for way for, you know, for shareholders when they're looking at success to work out, you know, you know, what are the multiple know, the multiple is and you know, the no. as we've

no. chief executive as we've seen is worth , you know, a seen is worth, you know, a thousand what an average thousand times what an average worker is paid. and chief executives , remember are not executives, remember are not people who started companies people who started the companies is not the entrepreneurs is not the great entrepreneurs coming all of them are, you almost all of them are, you know, are professional managers who've been, you know, who've been . yeah. been lucky. yeah. >> a sorry, there's >> but there's a sorry, there's a set between so a different skill set between so many will a many people will start a business very business and be very entrepreneurial and pioneer. and then people do then what those people will do is recognise that the is they recognise that the skill set disrupting and being set of disrupting and being entrepreneurial ism is very different the set different to the skill set required then the man required of then the man management the growth and management and the growth and all rest of it. so it's a all the rest of it. so it's a completely different skill set. so not same so it's not it's not the same thing. but i think that those >> no. but i think that those who come up with these ideas and then often sell the businesses are who rewarded are the ones who get rewarded with bucks. with the big with the big bucks. i'm in favour of managers getting decent remuneration, but there way. middle way. >> it's interesting though, because i first all, you because i first of all, if you do things, do start capping these things, you'll yourself the very do start capping these things, you'lpeople yourself the very do start capping these things, you'lpeople yotthef the very do start capping these things, you'lpeople yotthe marketery do start capping these things, you'lpeople yotthe market who do start capping these things, you' just ple yotthe market who do start capping these things, you'just find otthe market who do start capping these things, you'just find athe market who do start capping these things, you'just find a job market who do start capping these things, you'just find a job meothervho will just find a job in other countries. but the second thing to say is that as soon as you start these rules, it's you will

find exceptions. and just when you that can't you think there's one that can't be there be so be won, there will be one. so i'm going to get my gambling company say company wrong. so i won't say which one, but i bet fair bet 365 woman founded 365 the woman who founded in her, called the perch. her, um, she called the perch. >> she yeah. fabulous >> she is? yeah. fabulous >> she is? yeah. fabulous >> she is? yeah. fabulous >> she was one of our top taxpayers last year. yeah. and she she took home in anyone's, uh, life is a truly eye—watering amount of money. and if it wasn't a thousand times, uh, someone's employed. it was certainly several hundred. >> started company. she >> she started the company. she started her family. started up with her family. yeah. that's that yeah. so that's that's that to me i'm more about that me. i'm more relaxed about that than of chief executive than the sort of chief executive of an energy um of an energy company. um you know, getting big bucks know, you get getting big bucks and getting, you know, times and getting, you know, x times what salary. but what an ordinary salary. but i think i think government, think it's i think government, you know, government get it you know, government will get it wrong starts to wrong if government starts to intervene. it's intervene. but i think it's i think fun just think it's quite fun just to press us at beginning of press us all at the beginning of january out many january to find out how many more we've go before more days we've got to go before any us match these. these any of us match these. these >> there'll be people listening to just said, alex, to what you just said, alex, when you know, when you just said, you know, basically, them, basically, if you push them, they'll a different they'll run off to a different country. is a frequent country. and this is a frequent pushback right, isn't pushback from the right, isn't it? so if you raise taxes too

high, leave high, people will leave the country. do to country. if you do this to the rich, they'll leave country. rich, they'll leave the country. would so if you would they really? so if you said, know what? so, said, you know what? so and so, whatever your you can whatever your name is, you can only now instead of only earn now instead of 4 million a year, you can earn 3 million a year, you can earn 3 million year. and if did million a year. and if you did decide, you know um, decide, you know what, um, i nearly but no thank nearly swore then, but no thank you. going go to you. i'm going to go to a different country. well up comes the layer talent, different country. well up comes the it?yer talent, doesn't it? >> you're not talking here about that. thousands of managers up and the and down the country. the question you chose was specifically top 100 specifically about the top 100 businesses the united businesses in the united kingdom, which kingdom, a large number of which will from will be run by people from abroad. it's a question and abroad. it's not a question and who've been attracted here because going to run big because they're going to run big businesses suitably businesses for a suitably whopping package. and if you are going to say that effectively, you're going to make the uk less attractive to that next generation. the inverse of generation. it's the inverse of what think. not just what you think. it's not just saying, next saying, here comes the next generation talent from within generation of talent from within the uk. you're denying yourself in marketplace of in the global marketplace of ultra talent for that top 100 jobs. denying yourself jobs. you're denying yourself the best of best. the best of the best. >> the access that global the best of the best. >> tii�* access that global the best of the best. >> tii can ess that global the best of the best. >> tii can hear that global the best of the best. >> tii can hear some global the best of the best. >> tii can hear some of)bal the best of the best. >> tii can hear some of you pool. i can hear some of you guys well saying, guys at home as well saying, michelle, not just about

michelle, it's not just about the very top bosses. about the very top bosses. what about all middle management? the very top bosses. what about all layersile management? the very top bosses. what about all layers and1anagement? the very top bosses. what about all layers and1anageiof nt? there's layers and layers of middle management everywhere. private civil private sector, uh, civil service, it. many service, you name it. many people that you will people that many of you will say, what do they even do say, well, what do they even do all they an absolute all day? they earn an absolute fortune squeezed with their salaries to the salaries and give that to the bottom. is that a strategy? you tell to talk to you tell me. i want to talk to you after the break about metric after the break about the metric police boris johnson police and police. boris johnson , he that are becoming , he says that they are becoming politicised now. why? he's saying they're spending saying because they're spending their time investigating potential war crimes that people have alleged have been, um, performed by israel in this war with hamas . do you think with hamas. do you think they should be doing different things with their time not? tell me with their time or not? tell me and i'll see you in two.

listening to gb news radio. >> hello there. >> hello there. >> i'm michelle dewberry. this is dewbs & co seven alongside me. is dewbs& co seven alongside me. the pr consultant alex deane, and former labour adviser, and the former labour adviser, matt le lisa. um, i'll be talking about the met police

investigating potential israeli war crimes in just a second. and, um, but you guys, again, are divided in terms of politics. richard, compliment for you. he says the only way i would ever vote labour if matthew was the leader. >> oh, thank you very much. >> oh, thank you very much. >> is richard your dad or your brother or. >> no, no, i, i no, no, sadly i don't have one of either. but um, thank you. richard. one don't have one of either. but unmy|ank you. richard. one don't have one of either. but unmy otherou. richard. one don't have one of either. but un my other viewers,ird. one don't have one of either. but unmy other viewers, one one don't have one of either. but un my other viewers, one of one don't have one of either. but un my other viewers, one of my of my other viewers, one of my other viewers says our democracy is a sham. >> w w— >> whatever party is elected, it won't change the fact we won't change the fact that we are by elite. the are run by the elite. for the elite, it's my country elite, it's not my country anymore. many people feel elite, it's not my country anyrthat, many people feel elite, it's not my country anyrthat, he many people feel elite, it's not my country anyrthat, he says 1y people feel elite, it's not my country anyrthat, he says j people feel elite, it's not my country anyrthat, he says . myople feel elite, it's not my country anyrthat, he says . my sole feel like that, he says. my sole aspiration is to retire to the isle of wight and play crazy golf . well, there you go. we're golf. well, there you go. we're just talking about if you do indeed start capping the top salaries of the ftse 100 bosses, would they leave? they would they leave? would they go somewhere one my somewhere else? one of my viewers just and viewers has just written and said yes, michelle, they absolutely would. my son is about dubai about to relocate to dubai because reasons . so she because of tax reasons. so she says it definitely happens. well, there you go. met well, there you go. the met police uh, is investigating police now, uh, is investigating potential war crimes committed by israel and hamas and boris

johnson. he has been speaking out about this. he's essentially saying that it's a sign that the met police are being he met police are being what he calls politicised . it's calls politicised. it's happening now at some airports. you seen some of you might have seen some of these essentially when these posters, essentially when you off, uh, various you get off, uh, various different flights, there's a poster appeal asking for witnesses to report allegations , witnesses to report allegations, reasons, uh, relating to, uh, you know, misdeeds , as in you know, misdeeds, as in israel, gaza , wherever. is this israel, gaza, wherever. is this where you think that the met police should be spending their time? is boris johnson right? are they being politicised? >> so i don't think this is where the met police should be spending most of its time. we are part of the international criminal court and so we have to play criminal court and so we have to play we're going to play our part. if we're going to be we have to have be a member, we have to we have to do our bit. um, but i'm not sure that putting posters up at heathrow to heathrow is actually going to garner any, any evidence. so, you they do pursue you know, if they do pursue a war crimes trial and somebody flees to london, you know, then then the police the then the police and the authorities involved. then the police and the autii rities involved. then the police and the autii think involved. then the police and the autii think on involved. then the police and the autii think on a involved. then the police and the autii think on a day involved. then the police and the autii think on a day iiday/ed. but i think on a day to day basis, the has got more basis, the met has got far more pressing than , uh,

pressing issues, uh, than, uh, than this. yeah. >> i mean , alex, sorry you got >> i mean, alex, sorry you got our real responsibility under the treaties. our real responsibility under the tre'signed up for is to ensure >> we signed up for is to ensure that can't fugitives that people can't be fugitives from international justice. it's not try and talk to everyone. not to try and talk to everyone. coming off a 747 and say, have you got something to tell me about what you saw in the middle east? and it seems to me that i'm being flippant i'm not being flippant about these it's just these things. it's not just a bad priorities stabbing bad set of priorities stabbing is out of control in our capital city. the metropolitan police has its priority plane and centre right in front of it , has its priority plane and centre right in front of it, and it's on the front page of the newspapers centre of our attention. almost sadly , every attention. almost sadly, every single day in in our capital city, the idea that they're floundering around for priorities and hit upon this one. to me, as someone who lives in london, it feels rather sickening. yeah but they would say that. >> hang on a second, because this is just not your average , this is just not your average, um, bobby beat. that's um, bobby on the beat. that's doing will say that doing this. they will say that they've got a counter—terrorism policing that policing unit, and it's that unit that's responsible for investigating things like the

war crimes any system , unless war crimes in any system, unless it has infinite resources. >> you have to decide where your priorities go. and the point i was making at the outset was that responsibilities that our responsibilities under these is to that these treaties is to ensure that people can't the uk a safe people can't find the uk a safe haven fleeing from their haven in fleeing from their crimes it's try and go crimes. it's not to try and go out and garner great wodges of evidence from someone who may have middle east, have been in the middle east, and idea that someone and the idea that someone who has saw has been in the middle east saw something terrible, saw something terrible, saw something that's useful as evidence and might otherwise just oh, won't do just think, oh, i won't do anything aha! anything about it. aha! >> i saw a poster. >> here's an invitation from the metropolitan police. idea metropolitan police. the idea that the priorities being that that's the priorities being set police force in a set by our police force in a city where people are being stabbed day, stabbed to death every day, i just is madness. and you just think is madness. and you know for all their pseudo know what? for all their pseudo defences that they've sent through the channel and so through to the channel and so forth , are people who forth, there are people who watch just see straight watch this and just see straight through it. >> i you've w“ >> so i think you've both been collectively . collectively a little bit harsh. yes i concur that the met yes i do, i concur that the met police are failing abysmally, by the way, in knife crime and knife crime. you know, it's affecting communities not just

in london, up and down the country. it feels like it's getting worse. although people might perhaps point to statistics say that violent statistics to say that violent crime, uh, sometimes in places is not getting worse, but it certainly is. but certainly feels like it is. but these are two separate things, and surely police force can do and surely a police force can do completely different and and surely a police force can do co someone different and and surely a police force can do cosomeone haserent and and surely a police force can do co someone has been and and surely a police force can do cosomeone has been on and and surely a police force can do cosomeone has been on holiday if someone has been on holiday or away or whatever, or is coming back and is part of a i don't know , a situation where don't know, a situation where something has gone wrong, they know in their heart that something's not quite right. what is the harm saying to what is the harm in saying to those people, look, here's an outlet . if you if you know outlet. if you if you know something, if you've got something, if you've got something, here's outlet. something, here's an outlet. what can come of that? what bad can come of that? >> harm and the bad is very >> the harm and the bad is very specific and very obvious. for every put on this every person you put on this duty, whether be liaising duty, whether it be liaising with heathrow, deciding where these up, taking prank these things go up, taking prank calls, whose calls, talking to people whose evidence worthless , taking evidence is worthless, taking witness go witness statements which go nowhere, prioritising things that aren't the uk's priority. every person you ask to do those things is someone who isn't investigating a knife crime in the uk. every person you ask to do and use that resource

do that and use on that resource is isn't on the do that and use on that resource is and isn't on the do that and use on that resource is and every isn't on the do that and use on that resource is and every just: on the do that and use on that resource is and every just the the do that and use on that resource is and every just the same as beat. and every just the same as the fact that we people to the fact that we send people to go someone's door go knock on someone's door because of tweet they've sent, because of a tweet they've sent, it's same misallocation it's the same misallocation of scarce resources. it's the same misallocation of scarc don't�*urces. it's the same misallocation of scarcdon't mind or people in >> i don't mind 1 or 2 people in in at new scotland yard. um in hq at new scotland yard. um who deal with international. that's part of the international possibilities. but as say , possibilities. but as you say, having these posters up will then produces a workload because you're going to have a lot of people politically people who are politically motivated, who are going to make comments, have to comments, which you then have to log treat, because every log and treat, because every comments number comments going to be the number of will, a result of people who will, as a result of people who will, as a result of posters, ring in and of these posters, ring in and say, i saw those terrible israelis do this. >> frankly, also number israelis do this. >> people ankly, also number israelis do this. >> people ankly say, 0 number israelis do this. >> people ankly say, i number israelis do this. >> people ankly say, i saw number of people who say, i saw terrible hamas do that will be non—trivial. therefore non—trivial. and therefore the police united police in the united kingdom, which policing the which should be policing the streets find streets of london, will find itself work it didn't need itself doing work it didn't need to do. >> e“- t but this conflict, to do. >> but this conflict, this >> yeah, but this conflict, this israel—gaza having israel—gaza conflict, is having a on on the safety a knock on effect on the safety of the streets britain. it's of the streets in britain. it's quite unique in that and quite unique in that way. and this unit, way, they also this unit, by the way, they also get similarly involved in the ukraine conflict. ukraine russia conflict. so it's not to this one, but not just unique to this one, but the conflict the israel—gaza conflict does, i would argue that it does would say, argue that it does affect the safety on these

streets. but also what you're saying then could be true about any old poster any old call any old poster with any old call this detail. >> you call this number you have made the point perfectly for me. our force is currently our police force is currently unable ensure law and order unable to ensure law and order on streets of london when it on the streets of london when it comes between comes to disputes between supporters and supporters of israel and supporters of israel and supporters of israel and supporters of palestine, the nofion supporters of palestine, the notion they should suddenly set about ensure law and about trying to ensure law and order on the streets in gaza via taking evidence at heathrow is absurd. >> what are you guys make to it? all? i get what you're saying. i understand the sentiment. i really, really do. and i can hear you at home saying, yes, we want better policing on the streets, on domestic issues, but surely do you feel, as i perhaps do , that there is an element do, that there is an element that this kind of stuff is required well ? or am i required as well? or am i completely missing the point? i'm sure you won't, uh, be shy in telling me if you think that i am let's as well. i am now let's talk as well. after break about jeffrey after the break about jeffrey epstein you seen after the break about jeffrey epsteir now you seen after the break about jeffrey epsteir now many, you seen after the break about jeffrey epsteir now many, manyeen after the break about jeffrey epsteir now many, many names have these? now many, many names have come this just the start come out this is just the start of disclosures. it's of these disclosures. it's certainly what does certainly not the end. what does it for the people involved?

it mean for the people involved? was the right to reveal was the judge right to reveal this information ? prince andrew, this information? prince andrew, he apparently reported he has been apparently reported again to police because of again to the police because of it all. is that what the police should be doing? you guys tell me your thoughts on this whole epstein mess. i'll see you in two.

hi there. you're watching . hi there. you're watching. listening to dewbs& co with me. michelle dewberry seven pr consultant alex dean and the former labour advisor, matt lazor alongside me. i've got to say , uh, your sentiment shapps say, uh, your sentiment shapps is echoed among a lot of viewers at home. you're all, uh, many of you are saying that your primary focus are the streets of britain and helping to keep those safe. many of you saying that you feel that currently they are not. um, richard says lots of viewers call richard. it's not the same one, i promise. uh, he says that bofisis one, i promise. uh, he says that boris is absolutely correct when he says that the police are

being politicised . um, i don't being politicised. um, i don't understand, says diana , how understand, says diana, how they've got themselves involved in this kind of stuff. if they apparently haven't got the time or investigate or the manpower to investigate home grown crime, i do have to stress that is, of course, a separate division. the metropolitan police would argue. but let's now talk about jeffrey epstein. we've now got our first tranche of documents that have been released. i have to stress, this is the first one. the first set is certainly not the end. i think it was about a thousand pages. was first tranche. pages. was the first tranche. this be this of course should be familiar been familiar with. it has been released by judge in this released by the judge in this jeffrey now, uh, jeffrey epstein case. now, uh, there's speculation there's lots of speculation about on this list. about who would be on this list. many are, of course, very many people are, of course, very high profile. i have to stress that people are on the that the people that are on the list, there's no immediate suggestion have been , suggestion that they have been, um, involved wrong doing, um, involved in wrong doing, etc. but notwithstanding that, there are some surprising people involved in this, uh, stephen hawking, for example , while hawking, for example, while donald trump was on there , bill donald trump was on there, bill clinton, so on. and so forth. cameron diaz again , not i'm not

cameron diaz again, not i'm not suggesting any of these people have been involved in wrongdoing, but the rumour mills, etc. on social media have gone yeah, let's remind gone crazy. yeah, let's remind ourselves that people should be careful about what they speculate about online. >> late lord mcalpine >> in the late lord mcalpine demonstrated that when he took action people who he action against people who he said wrongly suggested that he was in any way in very was involved in any way in very serious offending. um, after some speculation television , some speculation on television, um, but the people involved in this situation, everything from people who had their telephone numbers in a book collated by jeffrey epstein's secretary to people who were regularly and habitually going to his island and enjoying his hospitality , and enjoying his hospitality, and enjoying his hospitality, and the people that he brought there. um, so the point i would just make about this, though, is this, that if there were serious criminality to be investigated, whilst is the first time whilst this is the first time we've this data , it's not we've seen this data, it's not it's in the justice system it's been in the justice system for while now. so this for a little while now. so this feels to me we were all expecting great revelations and i'm got them i'm not sure we've got them today. >> and also people, um, there was an opportunity, so if someone wanted their kind

someone wanted their name kind of taken out, if someone wanted to challenge this, there was that opportunity for people to do where on it? matthew >> so look, i mean, yeah, i feel sorry people whose numbers sorry for people whose numbers just in the in in the just ended up in the in in the phone um, you know, who phone book. um, you know, or who wants, you know, to do in american politics, call it american politics, they call it a and grin. know, where a grip and grin. you know, where you just sort of you get the little shaking little picture with the shaking hands, wall, hands, um, for the office wall, but actually have but you don't actually have a conversation, them conversation, um, or know them very . so think if very well. so i think that if there were serious allegations that would have come out that they would have come out already because as alex says, they've been in the justice system, these, know, the system, these, you know, the many the justice many layers of the justice system have been through these already. but, know, it's already. um, but, you know, it's unseemly, but people need to be very on social media very careful on social media that they don't they don't they don't you know, don't try and make you know, they hay there's they make hay when there's nothing there. well, social media indeed the wild media can be indeed the wild west, but i wonder prince west, but i wonder if prince andrew is sweating. >> slightly. andrew is sweating. >> well, slightly. andrew is sweating. >> well, he's slightly. andrew is sweating. >> well, he's very ightly. >> well, he's very he's definitely not sweating. >> the one thing he's not >> that's the one thing he's not what we there because he has what we did there because he has apparently reported apparently been reported to the police. talking about police. we're just talking about whether should whether or not the police should have to with whether or not the police should have time. to with whether or not the police should have time. but to with whether or not the police should have time. but anyway, with whether or not the police should have time. but anyway, he ith whether or not the police should have time. but anyway, he has their time. but anyway, he has

been reported again to the police. i've got the, police. i think i've got the, uh, of the tweets it's uh, one of the tweets here. it's from the republican group. they've reported again. they've reported him back again. >> i >> right. so let me say this. i actually, on face value, i'm far more to say that the more willing to say that the police in country should police in this country should investigate serious allegations of or sexual of criminality or sexual offences and so forth, of things that happened uh, with that happened here, uh, with british citizens and so forth, rather than going on fishing rather than going on a fishing expeditions the east. expeditions to the middle east. i'm willing to say that i'm far more willing to say that they investigate those they should investigate those things, even if they think they've thrashed through things, even if they think they've but thrashed through things, even if they think they've but when shed through things, even if they think they've but when someone ugh things, even if they think they've but when someone has before. but when someone has so obviously political axe to obviously a political axe to gnnd obviously a political axe to grind the republican movement grind as the republican movement , even someone , you might think even someone as dense, obtuse small in as dense, obtuse and small in number as our republican movement would think, let's get someone else to do it rather than ourselves. than doing it ourselves. it's not very subtle tactic. >> obvious they're >> it's so obvious what they're doing. know, republican doing. you know, the republican movement is, has a very movement is, um, has a very valid make on its main valid case to make on its main issue. think that this issue. but i think that this just if there's just looks cheap. um, if there's evidence against andrew, he needs to be investigated, just like would like anybody else would be investigated he doesn't investigated. but he doesn't need a football, need to be used as a football, you know, like this. and frankly, make you frankly, trying to make it, you know, it

know, trying to make it a football yourself discredits their it their discredits them because it makes they are makes them look. they are the very to it. very worst people to raise it. >> if believe their cause. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> do you believe in their cause? you think? um. cause? what do you think? um. we've raised again. and we've been raised again. and do you think anything will come of it says none of it at john says none of this stuff will anywhere. stuff will lead anywhere. essentially the elite will protect sorry. that protect the elite. sorry. that was said that , um, you was mark who said that, um, you all to be downplaying the all seem to be downplaying the seriousness crimes seriousness of the crimes committed by someone that many would call a serial paedophile , would call a serial paedophile, says fred. yes, it's absolutely is important enough for our police to investigate , um, police to investigate, um, different opinions. i mean , different opinions. i mean, well, i don't downplay for a moment what absolutely what epstein did that the late jeffrey epstein no longer with us and paedophile is someone we don't need to trouble ledger don't need to trouble the ledger with what we do to worry with what we do need to worry about whose reputation about is people whose reputation may unfairly sullied by may be unfairly sullied by association, which could be as small as matthew says, de minimis as having in minimis as having been in the same the same yeah same room at the same time. yeah um, you guys, have been um, you guys, um, have been getting in touch as well about your political it your political priorities. it won't you to know that

won't surprise you to know that many said controlling many people said controlling immigration was some of your political this year. political priorities this year. energy and energy security energy costs and energy security was another one as well. cost of living , i've got to say, other living, i've got to say, other than the energy that didn't really come up much as i really come up as much as i thought it might perhaps have done. um frankie says you're not missing the point. uh, on the met police. michelle, it's all just absolutely bonkers . uh, just absolutely bonkers. uh, whereas gordon says michelle, please, you are talking absolute rubbish. that's what i like about my viewers. you do not sit on the fence. i have to say , on the fence. i have to say, you're you're really divided in terms of the political side of things on that wage . one, i'm things on that wage. one, i'm not sure i'm seeing much support. i have to say, for your kind of suggestions in terms of clamping down on these fat cats, although some people saying it doesn't seem right that nhs managers can earn more than the prime minister so surely people are arguing there's something wrong in that . so i don't know. wrong in that. so i don't know. maybe the focus needs to be on capping public sector.

>> well, i think we definitely need to do that. and that is something that the government can directly we to can do directly. we need to have, know, there some have, you know, there are some crazy there in the crazy salaries out there in the pubuc crazy salaries out there in the public they to public sector, and they need to they need to make sure that they that when labour comes into power, that it does something about for cutting about them. i'm all for cutting waste nhs , but to make waste in the nhs, but to make myself of myself unpopular at the end of the unpopular at the the show, more unpopular at the it's normally me. >> the this comparison >> the reason this comparison is made so frequently is that we pay made so frequently is that we pay our prime minister too little or what do you think you should i mean this the should get then? i mean this the prime minister of singapore is on more million, right? on more than a million, right? so we're too low on the so let's we're too low on the spectrum. and if you want people to into politics and want to go into politics and you want people office, people to value that office, it's absurd to your pms so it's absurd to pay your pms so low and then compare index every other civil servant in the country on that. and say they're getting than the pm. well, getting more than the pm. well, of course they are, because many more servants are more of our civil servants are remunerated more of our civil servants are remunerat> i do think that the prime minister's paid too little. i think politicians be think politicians need to be paid thanks. paid a reasonable. uh, thanks. >> out of time.

>> i'm almost out of time. i want you to get, uh. >> so i'd i'd say more like >> so i'd say. i'd say more like what australians which what the australians get, which is oh there you go. >> e go. >> h go. » a >> that's a figure to, uh, send you off into your evening you all off into your evening with a with a spin in your head. 200 grand for the prime minister. that amount minister. is that a fair amount of money? lower, higher . uh, get of money? lower, higher. uh, get in says a retired in touch. jim says i'm a retired executive, michel. can executive, michel. and i can tell thing. labour tell you one thing. if labour win election, will win the election, i will definitely be leaving the uk. i'm going spend i'm not going to spend what remains life being remains of my life being unreasonably my skate unreasonably taxed. my skate plan is already organised, he says. well, i hope you guys have not gotten a skate plan organised because nigel farage is up next, so don't go anywhere. for now. matthew, anywhere. but for now. matthew, thanks alex. thanks for your time, alex. thanks yours thank you thanks for yours too. thank you at company. have at home for your company. have a good a brighter good night. night a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> good evening. i'm alex burkill here with your latest gb news weather forecast. while some of us may see a touch of frost and some fog patches tonight, there is still some heavy rain affecting

southeastern parts. an area of low pressure has pushed its way up as we through today, up as we went through today, bringing heavy rain bringing some pretty heavy rain across southern areas and that rain is now going to feed a little bit further north eastwards, affecting particularly east anglia into lincolnshire through this evening overnight could evening and overnight could cause some travel disruption and some further flooding is possible but that rain possible too. but that rain gradually to clear away gradually trying to clear away through the early hours, a few showers some showers elsewhere but also some dnen showers elsewhere but also some drier, clearer weather, particularly inland areas , particularly for inland areas, could allow for a touch of frost and also some patches fog. and also some patches of fog. first tomorrow morning. first thing tomorrow morning. otherwise as we go through tomorrow, bit a start tomorrow, bit of a wet start for some parts. of some eastern parts. a lot of that rain will clear away, but for shetland some for orkney, shetland some persistent continues going persistent rain continues going into afternoon, perhaps into the afternoon, perhaps a little sleet here as little bit of sleet here as well. otherwise some showers, most likely parts wales , most likely for parts of wales, western england, maybe coastal showers for scotland and northern ireland, but something a sunnier. a little bit drier and sunnier. further inland temperatures for many staying in single figures as we look towards saturday and it's going to be quite a cloudy story eastern few

story for eastern parts. a few showery outbreaks of rain likely here, sunnier though further west, with just a few coastal showers possible . some blustery showers possible. some blustery winds quite likely for scotland. elsewhere, lighter winds as high pressure builds in and that high pressure builds in and that high pressure is likely to dominate through sunday into monday, bringing largely dry but chilly weather by by looks weather for many by by looks like things are heating up boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on gb news .

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