it sounds great, doesn't it.7 but what does it actually ever delivered? and get this, a supermarket in france has stopped selling products like pepsi in order to protest against their unacceptable price rises. so i'm asking you, should you care? source follow suit. is it down to a supermarket to decide what we are and not able to buy, or is this action something which will finally help stamp out food price inflation? you tell me. and last but not least, almost half of young people apparently don't dnnk young people apparently don't drink alcohol. but what about us old days? do you reckon we have an relationship an unhealthy relationship with booze. an unhealthy relationship with booze . yes, indeed. i've got all booze. yes, indeed. i've got all of that coming up over the next houn of that coming up over the next hour. one of my panellists, professor matt goodwin , he talks professor matt goodwin, he talks about the immigration system. he basically says that what the tories created massive tories have created is a massive ponzi scheme , harsh words. we'll ponzi scheme, harsh words. we'll get that. of that and get into that. all of that and more. but before we do, let's bnng more. but before we do, let's bring ourselves to speed with bring ourselves up to speed with tonight's news headlines.

tonight's latest news headlines. as . as. >> michelle, thank you very much and good evening. i'm sam francis in the gb news room. the headunes francis in the gb news room. the headlines at six flooding across parts of england has been described as pure hell. that's as hundreds of warnings remain in place across the country in the wake of storm henk in nottinghamshire, a senior councillor has said that some residents have been affected by flood waters there three times in just three months. more than 1000 properties across the country remain flooded after heavy downpours this week, and a cold weather alert has been issued by the uk health security agency as temperatures look set to plummet at the weekend , the to plummet at the weekend, the man, who chaired the government's net zero review has said that he will resign as an mp as soon as possible . chris mp as soon as possible. chris skidmore plans to step down when parliament returns next week because of new legislation that he says clearly promotes the production of new oil and gas. the government , though, says the government, though, says that the planned expansion of new fossil in the north

new fossil fuels in the north sea vital to achieve energy sea is vital to achieve energy security plans . the natwest security plans. the natwest chairman is rowing back on comments he made on the radio this morning, when he suggested that it was easy to buy a house. sir howard davies told the bbc that those wishing to get on the property ladder needed to save their money. he now says that he recognises the challenges to owning a home, and he will reflect on he called easier reflect on what he called easier access mortgages . as data access to mortgages. as data from halifax shows , the house from halifax shows, the house pnces from halifax shows, the house prices have shot up by nearly £5,000 within year, with the £5,000 within a year, with the cost of an average home equating to around eight and a half years of a buyer's salary. local residents told gb news residents in hull told gb news they feel let down. >> we need more houses and, um, like bungalows and that for adapted people, you know, for disabled. >> i've got a few friends who are trying to get on to the property for the first time and they're telling me it's difficult just to try and save the initial, um 10% or even

sometimes 5. >> i definitely think that the new homes should be more affordable to the average working family, because they're like seem to start off at quarter of £1 million ofsted inspections will restart in schools from the 22nd of this month . month. >> the announcement comes after they were halted to ensure inspectors received mental health training. ofsted's new chief inspector said a few days ago that the inspection process needs to be far more empathetic. that's after various complaints had come within the education sector . london's tube workers sector. london's tube workers will go ahead with strikes this evening after last ditch talks failed to resolve a pay dispute. the action will begin at 6:00 tonight when maintenance train workers at ruislip depot walk out for 24 hours. however, the biggest disruption starts on sunday, with no trains expected. on the whole network until next friday. rmt members are protesting at a 5% pay offer, calling it disappointing . the

calling it disappointing. the shadow chancellor says that she understands why some people want the former post office boss to lose her cbe over the horizon scandal . the government is being scandal. the government is being urged to pay compensation to those that were affected. more than 700 staff were imprisoned when flawed software led to false accusations that said they'd been stealing money. rachel reeves said they need more to be done . more to be done. >> well, i can understand why people are saying that the former head of the post office should return her honour. my focus would be on getting the compensation to those who were wrongly convicted of these crimes . crimes. >> a man who has been suspected of faking his own death has been extradited from scotland to the us. nicholas rossi is wanted there for allegedly raping a woman in 2008. he was arrested in glasgow in 2021, but claimed it was a case of mistaken identity. instead, he insists he

was an irish orphan named arthur knight, well after a long legal battle in the scottish courts, the 36 year old has now been ordered to face the charges against him in the us and tributes are being paid for derek draper , a former political derek draper, a former political adviser and husband of tv presenter kate garraway, who has died at the age of 56. he passed away following several years of serious health complications due to covid. former prime minister sir tony blair has called him a good colleague and a great friend. gordon brown has also described him as multi—talented . described him as multi—talented. in a post on social media earlier, his wife kate said she was holding her darling husband's hand throughout his last long hours . husband's hand throughout his last long hours. this is gb news. we're across the uk on tv in your car, digital radio and of course on your smart speaker. now though, it's more from . michelle

>> thanks for that. michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside we've got the professor of politics and international relations at the university of kent, goodwin university of kent, mike goodwin , the unionist and , and the trade unionist and broadcaster paul embery. good evening both of you. very sad evening to both of you. very sad news there. that last story about derek draper's of course, our thoughts are with kate garraway and all of her family. another story as well that caught those headlines caught my eye in those headlines is conversation about paula is that conversation about paula vennells. lots of people saying is that conversation about paula venishouldots of people saying is that conversation about paula venishouldots strippede saying is that conversation about paula venishould ots stripped of aying is that conversation about paula venishould ots stripped of the g she should be stripped of the cbe. the thing i can't get my head around why was she head around is why was she giving first place? giving it in the first place? >> just think it's the most >> i just think it's the most appalling these people appalling story these people were. not due to were. i know we're not due to talk about this, but these i know, but like to go off topic know, but i like to go off topic every now and again. yeah, these people were pillars of their community, know, really community, you know, really upstanding postmasters community, you know, really upstsubpostmaster postmasters community, you know, really upstsubpostmaster often;tmasters community, you know, really upstsubpostmaster often areasters and subpostmaster often are respected in their community. and to jail and some of them went to jail and reputations were and their reputations were destroyed. um and you think, you know , you look at ministers and know, you look at ministers and you it was on their watch. you think it was on their watch. what they doing what were they doing at the time? know, there time? you know, there were people campaigning people who were campaigning about time. and about this at the time. and ministers, likes of sir ed

ministers, the likes of sir ed davey, apparently turned davey, apparently he just turned a eye to it. think it's a blind eye to it. i think it's one the worst national one of the worst national scandals i've seen for years. it is. it's one of the biggest miscarriages of justice. >> it? do >> certainly. isn't it? what do you to all that? you make to all that? >> yeah, i completely agree. absolutely mean, we're sort of absolutely i mean, we're sort of belittling through absolutely i mean, we're sort of belittlin doing through absolutely i mean, we're sort of belittlin doing thingsthrough absolutely i mean, we're sort of belittlin doing thingsthrouthis. through doing things like this. i don't think it serves anybody any all. also, one any good at all. but also, one of that i find of the things that i find interesting, because people have known horizon known about this horizon situation time, situation for a very long time, it's mainstream it's got massive mainstream traction now, course, because traction now, of course, because of tv programme on itv. of this tv programme on itv. >> people are >> but still, these people are still for some of the still fighting for some of the compensation owed. compensation that they're owed. um, the key guy um, alan bates, he's the key guy that helped create all of this justice and get all of these kind wheels in motion. he's kind of wheels in motion. he's dedicated years his life dedicated years of his life anyway. i think anyway. he was offered, i think it it? i don't know if it was. was it? i don't know if it was. was it? i don't know if it was. was it? i don't know if it was a cbe or an obe. it was. he was offered an honour anyway and he said, not going to and he said, i'm not going to accept it until every last person has got the justice that they i mean, counter they deserve. i mean, counter that, that that, uh, response, that approach with the paula reynolds one. was paula vennells, one. if i was paula vennells, i'd want hand my i'd perhaps want to hand back my honour i don't think i'd

honour myself. i don't think i'd want to wait to be stripped of it. think i'd step say, it. i think i'd step and say, you know what? you can have it anyway. what do you make to all of that and anything else? quite frankly, mind? frankly, what's on your mind? i want about want to talk to you about housing. i want to ask whether want to talk to you about ho not g. i want to ask whether want to talk to you about ho not we want to ask whether want to talk to you about ho not we got tl to ask whether want to talk to you about ho not we got this ask whether want to talk to you about ho not we got this terrible ether or not we got this terrible charged economy off the back of a controlled points based. remember, we used to get promised based promised points based immigration one of my immigration systems. one of my guests, mike goodwin, he basically the basically says that the immigration is immigration scheme right now is we've sold a massive lie, we've been sold a massive lie, and a massive ponzi scheme. and it's a massive ponzi scheme. do with that or not? do you agree with that or not? also us in also are you watching us in shropshire now? have you shropshire right now? have you even shropshire right now? have you ever. never been to ever. i've never been to shropshire. have either you shropshire. have either of you to. there, actually. to. i've been there, actually. >> a place the >> that's that's a place on the screen called ironbridge in shropshire. birthplace shropshire. it was a birthplace of the industrial revolution. and wolves i go and i'm a wolves fan, and i go quite to molineux, the quite regularly to molineux, the home ground, and visit home ground, and we visit ironbridge. do you? home ground, and we visit irorwell,e. do you? home ground, and we visit irorwell, theo you? home ground, and we visit irorwell, the reason i'm asking >> well, the reason i'm asking everyone shropshire everyone is because shropshire has named as one has apparently been named as one of ten destinations for of top ten destinations for holidaymakers this year. it's the location known to be the only uk location known to be featured that list, alongside featured in that list, alongside the likes vietnam and zambia. the likes of vietnam and zambia. so it's list, so if you it's not my list, i didn't the rules. if you're didn't make the rules. if you're

in shropshire, do you? second that, sitting there that, are you sitting there going everyone come going yes, everyone come down for holidays. never for your holidays. i've never been. have it on for your holidays. i've never bee bucket have it on for your holidays. i've never bee bucket list have it on for your holidays. i've never bee bucket list after have it on for your holidays. i've never bee bucket list after all. ave it on for your holidays. i've never bee bucket list after all. so it on my bucket list after all. so there you go. anyway, uh, back on track. i'll get myself back on track. i'll get myself back on what i'm supposed on track of what i'm supposed to be talking about. >> shows over. >> shows me the over. >> shows me the over. >> now know it's 7:00. there's >> now i know it's 7:00. there's the pub. quite frankly. but anyway, natwest, anyway, the chairman of natwest, the he has caused the howard davies, he has caused a little bit of upset today. he was radio four. he was speaking on radio four. he was speaking on radio four. he was question about how was asked a question about how hard to get on the hard it is to get on the property ladder. let's listen to what said. what he said. >> think it's that that >> i don't think it's that that difficult at the moment, but to buy a house in this country, well, in the same well, are we living in the same country? reporting country? are you reporting from overseas? save be. overseas? you have to save be. and that's the way it always used to be. >> well, there you go. i mean, he has rowed back on that a little bit, i have to say. but what do you make of his comments today, matt. >> yeah, mean, i, i write >> yeah, i mean, i, i write a lot about out of touch elites in politics and business and the sort every, week goes sort of every, every week goes by, say something more by, they say something more idiotic. and this another idiotic. and this was another example that. you look at example of that. if you look at house over the 20

house prices over the last 20 years, they've gone up considerably . wages have also considerably. wages have also gone much more slowly. gone up, but much more slowly. and the amount of money that and so the amount of money that people need to down people need to put down for houses has also risen. i'd be interested to see what my students at the university of kent would make of these comments, because unless you've got a rich mum and dad, you're basically needing to get somewhere between £60,000 and 110, £120,000. if you live in london just to get onto the housing ladder. so the idea that this is like it always was, or this is like it always was, or this is like it always was, or this is as easy as it always was, i think is for the birds and you know, the reality, michelle, we're going come michelle, we're going to come back this, i know back and talk about this, i know is many of those kids are is that many of those kids are also getting pushed out of the market this excessive demand market by this excessive demand for for rental and for housing, both for rental and to a home from migration . to buy a home from migration. um, give you one stat. i'll give the viewers one to think the viewers one stat to think about. year , we built about. last year, we built 180,000 homes in this country . 180,000 homes in this country. if you look at the latest reports , need be building reports, we need to be building about 550,000 homes every year

just to keep up with migration . just to keep up with migration. >> miles off. miles off what paul embery well, what a crass thing for him to have said. >> i mean, the guy is clearly in denial. there are thousands of families, hundreds of thousands of families in this country who families, hundreds of thousands of fstuck�*s in this country who families, hundreds of thousands of fstuck juggling country who families, hundreds of thousands of fstuck juggling young/ who families, hundreds of thousands of fstuck juggling young people, are stuck juggling young people, struggling get the housing struggling to get on the housing ladden struggling to get on the housing ladder, families living in substandard accommodation, families paying extortionate rents and the chief executive or whatever it is of natwest makes a comment like this. and i agree with matt. i think it shows how out touch some of the elites out of touch some of the elites are when they don't understand the real stresses and strains that are afflicting everyday people in this country, and the truth is, it's a national scandal. we have got a chronic housing shortage in this country. do build country. we do not build anything like the number of council homes we used to. if i could have my way, we would have a massive social housing programme in this country. the post—war labour government in 1945, when this country was on its knees , built a million its knees, built a million council homes in one parliamentary time, one parliamentary time, one parliamentary time. >> would you keep those council

homes for british people ? would homes for british people? would you give preference to british people? because that is not happening at the moment? >> no, and i understand that. and there's argument and i think there's an argument and this debate took place in barking and dagenham, where i grew where were grew up, where people were struggling get the housing grew up, where people were strugglat] get the housing grew up, where people were strugglat the get the housing grew up, where people were strugglat the get ofthe housing grew up, where people were strugglat the get of the housing ladder at the turn of the century, and there were lots of newcomers, and people perceive that getting first. that they were getting in first. so i think there's an argument that they were getting in first. so say,ink there's an argument that they were getting in first. so say, look,ere's an argument that they were getting in first. so say, look, there's| argument that they were getting in first. so say, look, there's what ment that they were getting in first. so say, look, there's what yout to say, look, there's what you might a loyalty bonus to might call a loyalty bonus to the or something you the area or something where, you know, you get preferential treatment, want treatment, but i wouldn't want to about that. to be sidetracked about that. matt. me, isn't the matt. for me, that isn't the biggest biggest issue biggest issue. the biggest issue for why that we for me is why is it that we don't build council homes anymore? why is it when we've got crisis in got such a housing crisis in this country and we've got the skills able to do it, skills to be able to do it, we've got the materials, we've got the builders and yet we don't houses. why don't build the houses. why do you that well, i just you think that is? well, i just think have taken their think people have taken their eye off the ball. i think we've completely withdrawn from the idea state do idea that the state can do anything. i that there's anything. i think that there's been an ideology in last 30 been an ideology in the last 30 years country that says years in this country that says government is no better than a

necessary evil. everything needs to outsourced. everything to be outsourced. everything needs privatised . and, you needs to be privatised. and, you know, you've problem , know, if you've got a problem, you know, the you know, privatise the railways. example , that will railways. for example, that will deal any problems you've deal with any problems you've got if you've got on the railways. if you've got on the railways. if you've got housing problem, i'll just got a housing problem, i'll just allow all the private developers to to, houses. um, and to to, build houses. um, and i think you think that ideology where, you know, back the frontiers know, rolling back the frontiers of the state, the state is no good the good for anything. the government's no good for anything led, i think, to anything has led, i think, to the kind of undeveloped country that into. and that we've turned into. and i think chronic lack of think the chronic lack of housing a big part of that. housing is a big part of that. and one of the reasons for and one of the big reasons for it exactly what i'm saying. it is exactly what i'm saying. >> don't need to build >> we don't just need to build more housing, we more housing, though, do we? we need we need to build more, need to. we need to build more, more housing. we need to prioritise housing for prioritise that housing for british people have paid prioritise that housing for briti the eople have paid prioritise that housing for briti the pot le have paid prioritise that housing for briti the pot for have paid prioritise that housing for briti the pot for years we paid prioritise that housing for briti the pot for years or paid into the pot for years or decades, and need to lower decades, and we need to lower our migration. we need to do those three things in order to start to resolve the housing crisis. and by the way, change some of the planning laws and regulations, if you look regulations, because if you look , just take i say , some of , just take as i say, some of the stats coming in, we're running net migration now

700,000. building 180,000 700,000. we're building 180,000 homes or thereabouts each year. just do the maths. i mean, my students, i'd love to see them get on the housing ladder. i was lucky my granddad left me a bit of money. that's the only reason i was able to get on the housing ladder and in my 30s. ladder and my in my 30s. otherwise it would have had to, you know, would have taken a lot longer. today know, longer. but today you know, anybody tried to anybody out there who's tried to rent apartment recently knows rent an apartment recently knows this. anybody out there rent an apartment recently knows this. atried dy out there rent an apartment recently knows this. atried dy buy out there rent an apartment recently knows this. atried dy buy a out there rent an apartment recently knows this. atried dy buy a home there who's tried to buy a home recently this. you're recently knows this. you're turning 20, other turning up with 20, 25 other people, people that, to be people, often people that, to be blunt, in britain people, often people that, to be blurare in britain people, often people that, to be blurare not in britain people, often people that, to be blurare not from in britain people, often people that, to be blurare not from britain, tain people, often people that, to be blurare not from britain, but and are not from britain, but those people still need to be housed by matt. >> yeah, those people still need to housed. >> yeah, those people still need to theyused. >> yeah, those people still need to they need to be housed. but >> they need to be housed. but but fundamentally, paul, but but fundamentally, paul, british housed british people need to be housed first. is first. right. that is fundamentally to fundamentally what needs to happen. fundamentally what needs to haplet's address that stack >> let's address that stack because you on because last time you was on with anyway. yeah. we had with me anyway. oh yeah. we had this conversation. um good this conversation. um i'm good to i'm memorable. i like to see. i'm so memorable. i like that, we had this that, but we had this conversation about about, um, people that was in social housing the demographics of housing and the demographics of the went the moral rest of it all went viral media, didn't

viral on social media, didn't it? was the point that it? so what was the point that you was making? do you remember? >> yeah, remember crystal you was making? do you remember? >> ye mostremember crystal you was making? do you remember? >> ye mostremembdon't stal you was making? do you remember? >> ye mostremembdon't know clear. most people don't know this. so if you look at social housing london. yeah, not housing in london. yeah, not across about 48, housing in london. yeah, not acrossto about 48, housing in london. yeah, not acrossto half about 48, housing in london. yeah, not acrossto half of about 48, housing in london. yeah, not acrossto half of all about 48, housing in london. yeah, not acrossto half of all social48, close to half of all social housing in london goes to households that are headed by somebody not born in somebody who was not not born in britain. personally, i don't britain. um, personally, i don't think that's sustainable think that's a sustainable situation. don't think it's situation. i don't think it's the right situation. i think we need revert to a model of need to revert to a model of social housing that gives clear preference to people have preference to people who have been country for a long been in the country for a long penod been in the country for a long period who have paid period of time, who have paid into collective pot, and we into the collective pot, and we need to. i think, stand back and think about this housing crisis in where population think about this housing crisis in is where population think about this housing crisis in is going.'e population think about this housing crisis in is going. give)ulation think about this housing crisis in is going. give you:ion think about this housing crisis in is going. give you one growth is going. give you one stat, if we keep doing stat, right? if we keep doing what we're doing in this country. um about which country. um by about 2045, which really that far away, really isn't that that far away, we're going to about ten we're going to have about ten cities. the size of birmingham. that's what we're going to need in terms of population growth. if we keep doing what we're going so the housing going to do. so the housing crisis currently crisis that we currently are talking is really nothing talking about is really nothing compared to where we're going to be in years ahead, be going in the years ahead, unless dramatically change

unless we dramatically change the think the direction of travel. i think the direction of travel. i think the just say , the danger is that we just say, okay, you know, we house british people course, no one people and of course, no one would with that. would disagree with that. >> we then just say, well, >> but we then just say, well, people do. >> on the left. >> on the left. >> well, okay. but but we would say, we just leave migrants say, well we just leave migrants to own devices. to their, to their own devices. people well in many people who may well in many cases be legitimately will cases be here legitimately will allow stay in the allow them to stay in the hotels. substandard hotels. the substandard accommodation, the bedsits possibly on possibly sleeping homeless on the streets. i think what we have is start from the have to do is start from the point of view of um, point of view of saying, um, look, we've a national look, we've got a national housing crisis and what we need to do is, devise a plan where to do is, is devise a plan where everybody can be housed in a decent sanitary, uh , house or decent sanitary, uh, house or flat. what ever it may be. that must be the starting point. how many people have we got here? we can have a debate about whether they should be here. we can have a about projections. and a debate about projections. and you that i agree with you you know that i agree with you on some of that. um, how on some of that. um, but how many, many homes do we need? many, how many homes do we need? and have a plan led by by and let's have a plan led by by the to state intervene and to make sure that those homes are built as quickly as possible, to

make sure that and of course, what that will help do is to bnng what that will help do is to bring down, because of course, the lack of the lack of a suppuer the lack of the lack of a supplier is just fuelling. can i ask you a basic question? >> is it the responsibility of a state to provide homes ? state to provide homes? >> of its >> it's one of its responsibilities. i'm sorry not but but not only that, it's also the responsibility of a state, i would argue, look after its would argue, to look after its own before looks after own people before it looks after people outside of that state. >> that's what personally >> that's what i personally believe. think that believe. and i think that embedding principle of embedding a principle of national within national preference within housing probably something housing is probably something that have come that we're going to have to come to, you look at how to, because if you look at how many we're building, many homes we're building, 180,000 even coming close to 180,000 not even coming close to the a year target that the 300,000 a year target that the 300,000 a year target that the government as the government has set. as i say, need to build say, we need to build twice that. according centre that. according to the centre for policy studies. actually, it says it's about 520,000 530,000 homes a year. just to keep up with demand from migration . with demand from migration. before you get to my students at university, before you get to struggling british families. so somebody needs to basically be real with the british people, with the country and say, this

is where we're heading. if we don't change track and we need to change track very quickly, if we're going to avoid disaster, well, there you go. >> got to say that the >> i've got to say that the chairman of natwest, as i alluded to, he has since kind of roared bit, roared back on it a little bit, he says. and i quote, i didn't intend to underplay the serious challenges face. challenges that people face. buying suggests that buying homes after suggests that it was not difficult get it was not that difficult to get on the property ladder , tilly on the property ladder, tilly says. natwest once again to proving they are just a proving that they are just a bunch of bankers. read into that what you will. uh, philip says . what you will. uh, philip says. well, fair, he is right to well, to be fair, he is right to a point. before the introduction of card, have of the credit card, you did have to to buy or have higher to save to buy or have a higher purchase agreement. people have got used having, uh, credit got used to having, uh, credit card purchases. they never even class and they are class it in debt. and they are now of the of saving , now out of the habit of saving, says phil. uh, why aren't we building any houses as carol? thatis building any houses as carol? that is the key question . an i'd that is the key question. an i'd love to know who has got the answer to that, because surely people in power, whoever you are, you can't be so dim as to not realise that there are not enough houses being built. so

what is the answer as to why it's not happening? says it's not happening? simon says there's simple answer there's a really simple answer in all of michelle, not in all of this. michelle, do not live london. many people live in london. many people getting in touch, telling me your stories about how you saved and how went without to and how you went without to afford, uh, your first properties. asking why properties. you're asking why shouldn't to shouldn't other people have to do same ? well, there you go. do the same? well, there you go. let me know your thoughts on that one. coming up after the break. uh, i want to look back when johnson promised in when boris johnson promised in 2019 was going to sort out 2019 he was going to sort out all of the immigration woes once we apparently, the we left the eu. apparently, the immigration that were immigration system that we were about going to about to have was going to turbocharge our economy. did it or not? i'll see you in two.

in tax. earlier on, gb news radio . earlier on breakfast, radio. earlier on breakfast, whatever rishi sunak and other tory mps may tell you in the next 24 to 48 hours about tax changes, the reality is people are worse off. >> you know, we should be able to provide like very good quality, high quality public

services. and if you want quality, you've got to pay for it. >> no one wants to be here a day longer than we need to. this is the first 2024. let's the first strike of 2024. let's hope the last was the most hope it's the last was the most difficult time for the nhs. >> obviously the strikes >> and obviously the strikes have compounded this. a critical incident declared when incident is declared when a trust, a hospital, genuinely believes immediate believes there's an immediate threat to life. so this is a very worrying state of affairs . very worrying state of affairs. >> in the past month, some businesses have even been flooded more than once, two three times. but the flood defences overnight here have managed to hold every morning it's breakfast from 6 am. >> hope you can join . us >> hope you can join. us >> hope you can join. us >> hi there, i'm michelle jubin. i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside me i've got matt goodwin, i'm paul embery at the start of my programme, i was showing you shropshire apparently has been nominated as one of the best places to visit in the uk. in fact, it was the only uk um, place on the list. it was other

places like vietnam and zambia. um, said michelle, i was watching your programme and as soon as i saw the iron bridge i shouted at the telly, um, once upon a time, she says, i had a school trip. i left my bag on it. my mum went mad at me when i got home. so when i saw that bndgel got home. so when i saw that bridge i shouted out, my back's on there! when my peanut butter butty, a trio bar and a can of coke. i don't think it still will be there. i hate to break it to i think that was, uh, it to you. i think that was, uh, probably very promptly picked up by says by someone. uh, emily says i'm from ironbridge, would from ironbridge, and i would rather people didn't come to view um, basically, view the floods. um, basically, you're are you're saying that people are just kind of wandering along and treating like a tourist treating it like a tourist attraction, which not attraction, which you're not currently colleen currently appreciating? colleen says doubt that says there's no doubt that ironbridge is a beautiful place to day, but to visit for a day, but definitely a holiday definitely not a holiday destination. peter said destination. harsh. peter said it definitely be on your it should definitely be on your list, everybody. it's outstanding. are outstanding. the people are wonderful , outstanding. the people are wonderful, so your visit wonderful, so get your visit booked in. and last but not least, david says i live in shropshire and i confirm shropshire and i can confirm that it's wonderful county. that it's a wonderful county. um, you're recommending some

lovely visit . you're lovely places to visit. you're even selling it to me. david, i've got to say, i do confess it's not great, but i've never actually been, so maybe i should add it to my list. um, lots of people are saying that, um, about housing simon about this housing thing. simon says, you stress we says, please, can you stress we don't a housing we don't have a housing crisis? we have an occupation. chriswp this dnven have an occupation. chriswp this driven migration ? um, uh, driven by migration? um, uh, catherine says we're not building enough because building enough houses because land been bought over land has been bought over the years companies and only years by companies and only being released slowly , as she being released slowly, as she says, to keep those prices high. what do you make to that ? uh, what do you make to that? uh, well, anyway, lots of you then, alluding to rise in alluding to the rise in population and why perhaps that is to blame for some of the housing situation . so let's cast housing situation. so let's cast our mind back then, shall we, to summer 2019, there was lots of talk from boris johnson. do you remember in advance of the election about what immigration could like? let's election about what immigration could ourselves like? let's election about what immigration could ourselves immigration remind ourselves immigration system must change. >> for years, politicians have promised the public an australian style points based system, and today i will actually deliver on those. today

>> is that what we've got? have we got this turbocharged economy because of these high skilled, uh, well controlled immigration systems in this country? i'm laughing because we all know it's not true. anyway matt goodwin, written very goodwin, you've written a very interesting article. you can see it on his twitter. i would recommend a read of recommend you all take a read of it. essentially, you're not pulling your punches. you're saying have sold saying that the tories have sold a essentially, the a big lie, essentially, the immigration scheme is one big fat scheme. fat pot scheme. >> that's exactly what i think. i think basically, boris johnson and tories are lying to the and the tories are lying to the british people. why do i say that? because as we were promised, a highly skilled, highly wage, high wage, highly selective immigration system that was the whole promise. after brexit. if you look at the latest data that's just come out on what is actually happening in britain , we've been given the britain, we've been given the complete opposite of that. we've been given low skill , low wage, been given low skill, low wage, uncontrolled mass migration. if you look, for example, at the number of people coming into

britain from outside of europe over the last two years, we had about 2 million people coming into britain. what percentage of those 2 million people do you think came in for work? >> well, i know the answer because i've read your article 15% one five 1 in 8. >> who are the rest? international students , the international students, the relatives of workers, the relatives of workers, the relatives of workers, the relatives of those students, asylum seekers , refugees, people asylum seekers, refugees, people on humanity , korean roots. the on humanity, korean roots. the key point is by liberalising the entire system, by allowing a much larger number of international students , many of international students, many of whom go to second rate universities , many of whom drop universities, many of whom drop out of their studies , many of out of their studies, many of whom work in low wage jobs. they don't contribute overall to the economy . they tend to take more economy. they tend to take more out than they put in, and by massively expanding the social care visa system whereby people are coming in on minimum wage jobs. what the concern natives have done, michel, is they've created a massive ponzi scheme whereby we've got millions of people coming in who are not

contributing more to the economy than they're taking out, and who in are going need to be in time are going to need to be looked cared with looked after and cared for with pubuc looked after and cared for with public services. so on and public services. and so on and so on. and this is a very opposite of what boris johnson and tories promised after and the tories promised after the brexit referendum. we haven't got a high skill immigration policy. haven't got a high skill immigration policy . we've got a immigration policy. we've got a low skilled immigration policy , low skilled immigration policy, we haven't a highly we haven't got a highly selective system, michel. we've got system which basically got a system which basically isn't selective at isn't really very selective at all. and the end result of all this continuation of an this is the continuation of an economy based on mass migration, which companies love because it keeps profits high and it keeps consumption high, but it keeps labour costs low , and it fuels labour costs low, and it fuels a housing crisis and it undermine social cohesion. and it's why so many people watching this show out there can now sense what is happening in the country. and i think they're fed up of it. i think they're fed up of it. i think they're fed up of it. i think they want radical change and i think somebody needs to be straight with the british people and them what's happening. and tell them what's happening. >> to come to you >> i'm going to come back to you on few of those points. but

on a few of those points. but before i do, paul embery. yeah, for me, it's simple. >> either believe in >> either you believe in regulation supply regulation of the labour supply or in open borders. or you believe in open borders. if believe regulation of if you believe in regulation of the labour supply. and do, the labour supply. and i do, then assess the nation's then you assess the nation's needs terms skills and needs in terms of skills and productivity and wages and housing community cohesion. housing and community cohesion. i'm on left, but i do i'm on the left, but i do understand that's an understand that that's an important thing . um, and then important thing. um, and then you plan and then you you devise a plan and then you work around that plan and you make sure that numbers are not so excessive, that it creates the kind of tensions and the downward pressure on wages in some sectors , if we're honest some sectors, if we're honest about it, that it's created in britain, particularly over the last, i would say, couple of decades. and what we've got is very difficult to disagree with, matt on this . we do have matt on this. we do have a broken system . we've got a broken system. we've got a broken system. we've got a broken immigration system . and broken immigration system. and the problem is it's been broken for years and years and no one looks as though they are capable of fixing it. and no one looks within the upper echelons of politics in this country. that they've got any idea of to how fix it. and anyone who thought

at the top of our society that that state of affairs was not going to result in blowback , was going to result in blowback, was not going to result in an increase what people increase in what some people call populism ? um, was not for call populism? um, was not for the labour party, who facilitated of this stuff facilitated a lot of this stuff going to result in the haemorrhaging of the working class it did, i class vote, which it did, i think naive in extreme . think was naive in the extreme. um, and as i've said on this show previously, michel, i think the it has made the tragedy is it has made immigration a running sore again in our society , where at largely in our society, where at largely been been put to bed. i think the complete lack of regulation. had it been not too bad . had it been not too bad. >> well, i'll tell you what's happened. >> largely, i think it had in the 80s and 90s, we had the national front in the 70s, were on the march, then in the on the march, and then in the 80s and 90s, i think there was a general feeling that numbers were modest and it was under control. with the control. and then with the impact movement and impact of free movement and globalisation around of globalisation around the turn of the eu the century, and then eu enlargement in 2004, the thing suddenly again. but suddenly exploded again. but paul suddenly exploded again. but paul, this is what paul, you see, this is what frustrates about debate, frustrates me about this debate, because whenever we talk about

frustrates me about this debate, bec problems|ever we talk about frustrates me about this debate, bec problems with we talk about the problems with mass migration, people migration, inevitably people on the your fellow the left, many of your fellow activists and on say, activists and so on will say, oh, right to about oh, it's far right to talk about these these issues. >> what try and do >> and what they'll try and do is close down this debate. they'll make it socially unacceptable to point what unacceptable to point to what point is actually point to what is actually happening ground. what happening on the ground. what is happening on the ground. what is happening i think happening on the ground, i think is deeply disturbing. if you look for at example, how immigration used immigration is being used as a short to a dealing short tum fix to avoid a dealing with problems, i work in with actual problems, i work in the universities. okay, so what's happening in the what's happening in in the universities? people there universities? people out there think students. think international students. great. they're going to oxbridge. to oxbridge. they're going to become phds. that's not what's studying phds. that's not what's happening. most of the people coming over are doing one year courses, ma courses at second or third rate universities . they're third rate universities. they're bringing with them bringing relatives with them once in the country, once they're in the country, they're free work. they they're free to work. once they finish their they can finish their studies, they can work any skill level on any work at any skill level on any salary without any official sponson salary without any official sponsor. this is what the conservatives introduced. okay, so what happens? we don't fix the higher education system because we're using immigrants to basically stop us from deaung to basically stop us from dealing with problem. dealing with the problem. and social same issue.

social care is the same issue. michel social care. what are we doing? bringing doing? we're bringing in a couple of thousand couple of hundred thousand people on minimum wage, rather than reforming the system, rather than paying workers more, rather than paying workers more, rather than paying workers more, rather than giving councils more funding so they can give the companies to money companies more to money professionalise care professionalise the social care workforce . so happening workforce. so what's happening again? conservatives using mass immigration to stop, to stop them from having to actually fix them from having to actually fix the underlying problem. and i think people there watching the underlying problem. and i thin show ple there watching the underlying problem. and i thin show ple see there watching the underlying problem. and i thin show ple see what'satching the underlying problem. and i thin show ple see what's goingg the show can see what's going on.andi the show can see what's going on. and i think they're sick of this debate being curtailed by people screaming at them , saying people screaming at them, saying they're simply for they're far right simply for raising these problems. >> that's largely, >> i think that's largely, largely terms your largely fair in terms of your critique on left. and i've critique on the left. and i've had debate with on had this debate with people on the myself, many, many the left myself, many, many times i stand in times because i stand in opposition some them. opposition to some of them. a lot of them on this, on this subject. but what i would say, though, that is at the same time the language has got be the language has got to be temperate because talking temperate because we are talking about and we're about human beings and we're talking about people who are trying make better life for trying to make a better life for themselves. i am i take themselves. and i am i take a strong line on borders and regulation the labour supply,

regulation of the labour supply, as people the left used as most people on the left used to nowadays many of to do. and nowadays many of them, most of them arguably are in of open borders in favour of the open borders position. but even i actually get queasy when i hear suella braverman use language like invasion , and i don't think invasion, and i don't think that's appropriate. think that's appropriate. i think i think like an invasion . think language like an invasion. when hear the word when people hear the word invasion think an invasion, they think there's an army door , or they think army at the door, or they think there's, you a navy there's, you know, a navy sailing across the sea with guns and whatever invade. i think and whatever to invade. i think thatis and whatever to invade. i think that is most people's understanding of multiple usage, hasn't it? >> mean, you talk about hasn't it? >> invasions, you talk about hasn't it? >> invasions, you»u talk about hasn't it? >> invasions, you don't: about hasn't it? >> invasions, you don't startjt pitch invasions, you don't start thinking what you're thinking about what you're talking, you're talking talking, what you're talking aboutis talking, what you're talking about is when people use a word invasion, about invasion, they're talking about people coming to plant people who are coming to plant their flag on territory and their flag on your territory and colonise you. their flag on your territory and col> that's what most people in geographical and political geographical terms and political terms, that's terms, territorial terms. that's what most people understand by the word . the word. >> this debate gets by the word invasion, and i pulled that statement. by the way, more than half think the small half of brits do think the small boat is invasion. and boat crisis is an invasion. and they agree suella they agree with suella braverman. but putting going back look , the back to this point, look, the conservatives came out the gate after brexit and they said

australia based point system will the of the best. will get the best of the best. it will get the best global talent. better talent. we'll have better schools, nhs and we'll schools, better nhs and we'll get rid of unskilled, uncontrolled immigration. we now know in 2024, looking around britain, that was a lie . it was britain, that was a lie. it was a big tory lie . i've written a big tory lie. i've written about it in detail. i urge people to read it. we need leaders who are honest with british people. we need leaders to tell the truth. right? but hold on, because if james cleverly was sitting here now, he would say, i'd love that. >> he say that lots of the >> he would say that lots of the points that have been made there about over about students bringing over the dependents rest of dependents and all the rest of it, would acknowledge, it, he would acknowledge, was an issue. braverman issue. suella braverman she announced may announced changes back in may last some of them came last year. some of them came into force in january this year, which that actually a lot which meant that actually a lot of what you're talking about, students over en students bring in people over en masse will massively masse that will now massively be restricted phds. restricted to things like phds. the shortage occupation the skill shortage occupation list be shrunk down, list that will be shrunk down, the discount. on. the 20% discount. hang on. removed michelle. hang removed michelle. hang on, hang on, and on. you know. on, on and on. you know. >> and what i say to >> and you know what i say to james cleverly? if he was here?

what? right. firstly what he said uh, international said is, uh, international students dependents students and their dependents will they're will be limited unless they're studying degrees. so studying research degrees. so what going to do what they're going to do and what they're going to do and what they're going to do and what the universities going what the universities are going to change the master's to do is change the master's programs well, these programs and say, well, these are research degrees. are one year research degrees. it's not going to change anywhere near as much as the conservative is. conservative party thinks it is. the uh, where mr the second thing, uh, where mr cleverly is wrong on this is a social visa is exempt from social care visa is exempt from changes to social to the changes to the social to the shortage occupation list. we're still hundreds of still going to have hundreds of thousands coming in thousands of people coming in to work wage jobs, because we work low wage jobs, because we can't be bothered to reform the system. >> well, there you go. what do you make to it all? i'm telling you make to it all? i'm telling you now, if james cleverly was here, he be shouting that here, he would be shouting that they trying very hard to they are trying very hard to reform but is it reform that system. but is it enough? tell me in enough? you tell me over in france, supermarkets now refusing stop things refusing to stop selling things like and off in like pepsi and seven off in protest against unacceptable price rises ? should we follow price rises? should we follow suit here? you tell me

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gb news radio. >> hello there, this is dewbs& co with me michelle dewberry till seven alongside me. the professor of politics and international relations at the university of kent, matt goodwin and unionist and and the trade unionist and broadcaster paul embery. i can tell you now that immigration conversation has got you talking. i'll bring in some of your responses before the end of the programme. but for now, uh, supermarket in france has removed products such as pepsi and rs removed products such as pepsi and its shelves. and seven up from its shelves. they saying this is because of unacceptable price rises? uh, other places like germany and belgium. apparently they are doing similar. we all know by now that the food, uh, inflation etc. has been going through the roof so this something roof. so is this something a strategy perhaps strategy that perhaps supermarkets here? paul uh, should follow? >> i've got some sympathy with what doing. i don't what they're doing. i don't normally out in favour of normally come out in favour of big chains and corporations, but. not? if feel but. but why not? if they feel that people are being exploited and customer is being and that the customer is being exploited possibly are being themselves possibly are being exploited what? people exploited by what? some people have green deflation,

have turned green deflation, which people profits soaring which is people profits soaring and the bank of england have recognised that that is actually a thing. greedflation people keeping their prices high, even though costs are falling, businesses keeping prices businesses keeping their prices high, they feel that , you high, and they feel that, you know, the likes of whatever it is, pepsi and 7up and whatever other snack and food and drink producers are milking that situation, then i don't think they're necessarily being unreasonable by saying, well, you know what? we're not going to stock your produce until you start acting more reasonably . start acting more reasonably. um, i didn't think, as i said, i would find myself standing shoulder in the shoulder to shoulder in the struggle supermarket chain, struggle with supermarket chain, but it seems to me that it's a good thing, and perhaps it should catch on here. >> i'm surprised that you're surprised, paul. a man surprised, paul. i mean, a man on left supporting a sort of on the left supporting a sort of big slate top down. >> i'm the old left man. >> i'm the old left man. >> i'm the restriction of choice. if you can choice. look, i mean, if you can afford to go into supermarket afford to go into a supermarket and bit extra for a pepsi and pay a bit extra for a pepsi and pay a bit extra for a pepsi and coca cola, i think, you know, give everybody the choice. i think removing

i mean, i don't think removing products and taking stuff off the shelves is answer. this products and taking stuff off th a shelves is answer. this products and taking stuff off th a she too is answer. this products and taking stuff off th a she too sort answer. this products and taking stuff off th a she too sort of answer. this products and taking stuff off th a she too sort of soviet'. this is a bit too sort of soviet esque for me. i like the idea of free choice, and it's up to the consumer what they want to buy and they don't want to buy. and what they don't want to buy. and if they're shopping basket doesn't have pepsi in it. when they to the checkout, then they get to the checkout, then that right? but that speaks volumes, right? but it's it's up to the individual. >> this is a way potentially by having supermarket chain having the big supermarket chain putting pressure on itself. this is a way the manufacture to is a way of the manufacture to of the manufacturer to of forcing the manufacturer to drop whereas if, drop their prices, whereas if, you joe bloggs goes into you know, joe bloggs goes into the supermarket, sees that, you know, the prices are still higher, but knows he still needs that product, he's inclined to buy him. um, so sometimes if you've got the if you've got the muscle, uh, of a powerful corporation and i've been as critical big, powerful critical of big, powerful corporations anyone, corporations as anyone, including you've got including you. but if you've got their and they're their muscle and they're actually doing the right thing for because know for a change because we know some have been some of them have been profiteering themselves as we know, profits know, recording record profits and the wealth and and not sharing the wealth and all rest of it. on this all the rest of it. on this occasion, if they're doing it for which

for the public good, which i think they are , um, think they probably are, um, then an all round bad thing. >> well, maybe, but i think, you know, consumers aren't idiots. and the reasons, you and one of the reasons, you know, and lidl and you know, aldi and lidl and you know, aldi and lidl and you know, these sort rival know, these sort of rival competitors taking off competitors have been taking off and having, to be frank, a great few is because they've few years is because they've been exposing just how out of touch some of these companies really are, and people will flock to an alternative. but it is up to individual choice. it's a you know, i don't like a bit, you know, i don't like the idea of the state or a big company coming and telling company coming in and telling people they can and cannot people what they can and cannot have, available, what have, what's available, what isn't suspect. michel, you're isn't, i suspect. michel, you're closer. to me. closer. i hope to me. >> just going, miss. >> no, i'm just going, old miss. i'm misty eyed when i'm going all misty eyed when you're about rise of you're talking about the rise of aldi and lidl, because i'm just reflecting on the massive fan. i'm middle i'm reflecting on the middle aisle. absolutely the aisle. absolutely love the middle like middle aisle in places like the other is, other thing other thing is, the other thing is shrinkflation, isn't it? >> manufacturers are >> where manufacturers are keeping same keeping their prices the same or whacking but actually whacking them up, but actually making bags or the making the bags smaller or the box smaller , or the content box smaller, or the content maybe keeping the bag and the box same, but reducing the box the same, but reducing the contents within disgusting.

contents within is disgusting. >> a bag outrageous >> if you open a bag outrageous because wouldn't it. because you wouldn't know it. >> really looks and >> no one really looks and thinks, oh, this week it's seven, you know, 750g. last week it and or 800 or it was 700 and or 800 or whatever. do they? he makes a very i do, most very good point. i do, but most people i'll let you guys at home be the final of that. be the final judge of that. >> says, michelle, can you >> andy says, michelle, can you clarify matt clarify something from matt goodwin, that goodwin, please? he said that only 15% of migrants come to the uk to work and then in the same breath, he said that they're all driving filling driving down wages, filling social care places and corporation them to corporation are using them to keep wages arguments keep wages low. both arguments can't they? can't be true, can they? >> yes, course they can be >> yes, of course they can be true. we've got you look at true. we've got if you look at the for national the office for national statistic, if you look the statistic, if you look at the 2 million people from outside of europe who came into britain over are the europe who came into britain over estimate are the europe who came into britain over estimate that are the europe who came into britain over estimate that aboutire the europe who came into britain over estimate that about 15%1e europe who came into britain over estimate that about 15% came ons estimate that about 15% came in on on work visas? the in to work on on work visas? the rest were their relatives, were students, were the relatives of students, were the relatives of students, asylum seekers students, or were asylum seekers refugees and people on other humanity routes. so there's a lot of people coming in who will end up working in the low wage economy, haven't always economy, but who haven't always come specifically to work. come in specifically to work. and that is a real problem. it

undermines the conservative promise to reshape the country around high skill migration . the around high skill migration. the social care visa is , is, is kept social care visa is, is, is kept within the shortage occupation list. and it's also, by the way, exempt from many of the changes that james cleverly and the conservatives just outlined. yes, they'll clamp down on dependents, but they're not going to fundamental early, uh, change the social care setup that we've got currently. and that we've got currently. and thatis that we've got currently. and that is why i'm saying there's a massive problem here. >> it's a ponzi scheme. it probably wouldn't be such a social care shortage if they didn't get rid of everyone who refused to be forced having refused to be forced into having a they didn't want, a vaccine that they didn't want, but me started on but don't even get me started on that. uh, can of worms, can that. uh, can of worms, i can tell that also as well. one tell you that also as well. one of the things that we always gloss on this when talk gloss over on this when we talk about things social care about things like social care vacancies, about, um, vacancies, we talk about, um, you like low skilled you know, like low skilled wages, skilled wages, cheap wages, low skilled workers. it's workers. i always think it's pretty disgusting that care in this is regarded as such this country is regarded as such a low skilled, low wage thing. is there anything more important than people that than taking care of people that

actually the care , actually really need the care, our loved ones, that vocational work is? >> you're absolutely right. that vocational work has been completely downgraded in the in the psyche partly , i the public psyche and partly, i think, of tony blair's think, because of tony blair's thing ago, 50% thing all those years ago, 50% of young people must go to university. university, 75% university. so university, 75% now as, you know, the now seen, as, you know, the opfion now seen, as, you know, the option for people who are intelligent and successful and aspiring did sort aspiring and anyone who did sort of menial jobs manual work, of menial jobs or manual work, even if it was skilled work, was looked that looked down upon. and that i think, know, perception think, you know, that perception has really damaging over eric. >> my viewers, says michel. everyone always talks about building but no one building more houses, but no one ever fact that, ever mentions the fact that, of course, if build more course, if you build more houses, to build more houses, you need to build more roads, schools, more roads, more schools, more doctors, more hospitals, etc. etc. get all of this etc. where do we get all of this extra from? asks. i extra space from? he asks. i hear eric. right after the hear you eric. right after the break. booths shall break. let's talk booths shall we? what's your relationship with ? young people, with alcohol? young people, apparently at apparently most of them, or at least half of them, are not drinking. you drink? do we drinking. do you drink? do we have relationship have a healthy relationship with alcohol country not? alcohol in this country or not? you me .

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hello there . this is dewbs& co hello there. this is dewbs& co with me. michelle dewberry till seven. the professor of politics and international relations at the university of kent, matt goodwin, alongside as is the goodwin, alongside me, as is the trade unionist and paul embery, goodwin, alongside me, as is the trade ulunionist1d paul embery, goodwin, alongside me, as is the trade ulunionist and aul embery, goodwin, alongside me, as is the trade ulunionist and paulnbery, a trade unionist and paul embery, i meant to say trade unions and broadcaster paul embery . i unions and broadcaster paul embery. i have not been drinking. it's six. i've just gone quarter seven. everyone and keen viewers of jews will know that at this time. normally on a friday night, the jubilee tavern is going to is open, hearts are going to break all over the land, mainly paul embery is because guess what everyone, i might go on strike. dubois have january is closed for business january . closed for business in january. we we're doing dry january , so we we're doing dry january, so i've got a ropey tea in front of me. no booze . what have you got? me. no booze. what have you got? >> i've got vodka in here. >> i've got vodka in here. >> we need a wildcat strike. i was not told this. i should have been consulted on this in advance. >> we should have sprung it on you an agreement. i sprung it on

you. um you see, i can't lie. i'm not normally dry january i'm not normally a dry january kind person, but, um, i kind of person, but, um, i thought to myself, we. thought to myself, should we. should we go all out and try it? you it's the first friday you know, it's the first friday of week. whether or not it of the week. whether or not it continues is the second friday and onwards the of and onwards for the rest of january. time will tell. but anyway, i'm doing anyway, the reason i'm doing it is me thinking are many is it got me thinking are many young of young young people about half of young people that people currently saying that they don't drink much alcohol. many of don't any many of them don't drink any alcohol all. it me alcohol at all. and it got me thinking. was as thinking. maybe it was old as then should follow suit. uh, and i started then thinking i started also then thinking about with about the relationship with booze in booze through many people in this do you think we've this country. do you think we've got a healthy relationship, paul? >> i think it depends on the individual, to be honest. i think booze can be a great social lubricant. it can help you network. it can, you know , you network. it can, you know, pubs are community hubs or, you know, they once were maybe not so much. now i went to one of my local pubs on boxing day. it was absolutely packed. there was a wonderful atmosphere. there was absolutely packed. there was a wreal rful atmosphere. there was absolutely packed. there was a wreal feelingfosphere. there was absolutely packed. there was a wreal feelingfostogetherness.vas a real feeling of togetherness. um you the sense that um and you got the sense that there was real of

there was a real feeling of community within the walls. there um, and when you look at the number of pubs that are closing, i think we're losing a lot of that. you know, those common, common bonds that bind us are part of that. us and pubs are part of that. but same have to but at the same time, we have to be to the damage that be alive to the damage that alcohol can can cause. and, you know, shudder to for know, i shudder to think, for example, number of women example, at the number of women who have suffered domestic abuse at hands of their husbands, at the hands of their husbands, who, come home from who, you know, come home from the decide get a bit the pub and decide to get a bit handy they've drunk too handy because they've drunk too much. so. do need to say much. so. so we do need to say at the same that it can be. at the same time that it can be. it can be a social evil, but like things good like all things good in moderation . moderation. >> so i mean, i'm doing >> so yeah, i mean, i'm doing dry january well. and are dry january as well. and are you, are you feeling the best down in my in my estimation, no , down in my in my estimation, no, i'm, i'm waiting for that to kick in. >> i'm sleeping worse than i ever have because my three year old of the habit of old has got out of the habit of sleeping whole night in his sleeping the whole night in his bed. is constantly waking bed. so now is constantly waking me yeah, despite dry me up. so yeah, despite dry january. i'm sleeping at all. >> i'm not getting great sleep. i'm that to kick in. i'm waiting for that to kick in. apparently a two week

apparently that's a two week mark. then you sleep because you're expecting to you're expecting people to sympathise you're expecting people to syn bythise what strikes me >> by the way, what strikes me about research that that got about the research that that got us this almost us talking about this almost half of britain's youngest drinkers, my students, for example, are turning down alcohol or no alcohol alcohol for low or no alcohol alternatives . alternatives. >> now, i've tried some of the 0% beers, and i have to say i quite like them. i quite like sitting there with a 0% beer, you know, feeling quite good about myself . um, but your your about myself. um, but your your point, paul, about pubs closing took my mind to an academic study which found , study which found, interestingly, that in communities where pubs had recently closed and support for the uk independence party and brexit was higher , and the paper brexit was higher, and the paper suggested that the collapse of these community hubs, the collapse of community spirit was in some way finding its expression in people voting for this radical political alternative because they felt that they were losing something that they were losing something that they were losing something that they cherished. so i think there's something about there's something in this about there's something in this about the closing of pubs, and that doesn't surprise me. >> but we need to be aware, by

the way, dry january is going to put on already hard put pressure on already hard pressed would say to pressed pubs. so i would say to people, still, to your people, look still, go to your pub you have a soft pub even if you have a soft dnnk pub even if you have a soft drink and packet of crisps, drink and a packet of crisps, still because pubs need still go because pubs need the custom true well. custom very true as well. >> uh, in some places i would suspect that some young people, one reasons they're not one of the reasons they're not using they've using alcohol is because they've turned cocaine. turned to things like cocaine. but that is perhaps a conversation for another day. um della, michelle, just della, says michelle, just because don't drink, because you don't want a drink, it been polite to ask it would have been polite to ask your guest they wanted one. your guest if they wanted one. instead bullying into instead of bullying them into sobriety. is it sobriety. second, you is that it was are you pretending to was della. are you pretending to be telling me that the be della? telling me that the desk. yeah. yeah, absolutely. um, my weekend name um, ken says my weekend name dry. january dragging on dry. dry. january is dragging on a says ken. a bit, isn't it? says ken. i understand what you're saying there, michelle is there, andy says. michelle is nowt alcohol. it's nowt wrong with alcohol. it's fine moderation . um, many fine in moderation. um, many people are getting in touch again about the housing situation. barry he's a mortgage broker. he says , yes, you can broker. he says, yes, you can get a mortgage as long as you've got a 5% deposit. but whether or not you can get the house that you want is a different, um,

question altogether. also look at this, everyone. all of my viewers in shropshire. he viewers fill in shropshire. he has touch with me and has been in touch with me and offered a visit to shropshire offered me a visit to shropshire . even sent me a postcard. . he's even sent me a postcard. look looks very look at that. it looks very beautiful. looking at beautiful. um i'm looking at this tiny screen, but this on a tiny screen, but i think that's a lone sheep on the left. >> yeah, you'll be in the in the tent with that sheep campaign. >> absolutely. we love camping. i do a whole programme on. i could do a whole programme on. no, mean don't mean no, i don't mean i don't mean not glamping. do not glamping. i'm sure. do a whole programme. um, on the virtues of tent camping. i absolutely adore it. anyway, look, i do go off on my tangents, don't i? but for now, i ain't got for another i ain't got time for another one. that's all i have time one. that's all i have got time for. paul. matthew. thank you. more importantly, thank you. at home. a good weekend. lee home. have a good weekend. lee anderson. tonight, anderson. up next tonight, a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> good evening i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. after a very wet start to the year, the weekend promises much drier conditions.

it's also going to be turning a little bit colder. we're losing low pressure systems and replacing them with an area of high pressure that's likely to last for most of next week, bringing a lot of dry weather, a lot of dry weather. but it's not completely dry. still pretty wet out there this evening over parts of northeast scotland. some heavy showers over the northern there will some heavy showers over the no some there will some heavy showers over the no some damp there will some heavy showers over the no some damp and there will some heavy showers over the no some damp and drizzly/ill be some damp and drizzly conditions affecting central and eastern england, and showers continuing west wales continuing to affect west wales and for many it and cornwall. but for many it will turn dry and clear and cold. touch of frost likely particularly from northern england across scotland and northern ireland. so yes, a cold start to the weekend could be some stubborn fog patches in southwest scotland. northwest england quite a grey england will be quite a grey day. fancy over parts of eastern england. a dank and drizzly, england. a bit dank and drizzly, but thankfully not much in the way of heavy rainfall . and for way of heavy rainfall. and for many, certainly in the west, we'll a bit of weak we'll see quite a bit of weak winter sunshine, which will struggle those struggle to lift those temperatures about 5 to 8 temperatures up to about 5 to 8 celsius. around average for celsius. so around average for the time of year. but turning cold quickly saturday night,

cold quickly on saturday night, another starts across the another frosty starts across the north on sunday. still quite cloudy at times in the east, but i'm more optimistic a bit i'm more optimistic for a bit more sunshine coming through on sunday. so for most, dry and sunday. so for most, a dry and a bright day with some sunny spells, be cold and spells, but it will be cold and it will feel even colder with this brisk across eastern this brisk wind across eastern and england. goodbye and southern england. goodbye >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on gb news .

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tonight on this show we have barry gardiner is back on the show. we've got paula london. she's a political broadcaster and commentator. she's a political broadcaster and commentator . we've also got and commentator. we've also got paula, diana. she's on the show for the second time. legendary cook and broadcaster antony worrall thompson and sam prince from in chelsea. but first, from made in chelsea. but first, let's go to the . news. let's go to the. news. >> hello. good evening. i'm sam francis in the gb newsroom. the headunes francis in the gb newsroom. the headlines at seven flooding across parts of england has been described as pure hell . that's described as pure hell. that's as hundreds of warnings remain in place across the country in the wake of storm henk in nottinghamshire. a senior councillor has said that some residents have been affected by flood times flood waters there three times in just three months, more than 1000 properties across the country remain flooded after the heavy downpours this week, and a cold weather alert has been issued by the uk health security agency as temperatures look set to plummet at the end of this