svenson. >> in a few moments time, we'll be going head to head in a clash of minds with social commentator. >> of course, and cop26 director lois perry and also matthew stadlen , political commentator. stadlen, political commentator. but before we get started, let's get your latest news with pip tomson . tomson. >> thanks very much, nana. good afternoon. it is just after 3:00. i'm pip tomson in the gb newsroom. after being criticised for not meeting with flooding victims, the prime minister has today been speaking with residents in oxford . he claims residents in oxford. he claims they were at pains to say that they were at pains to say that the environment agency's response to flooding had been great. rishi sunak also met him . great. rishi sunak also met him. environment agency workers at their depot on osney island to see first hand their battle with rising river levels. more than 1800 properties have been damaged and more than 160 flood warnings remain in place across england. the prime minister says the government's flood defences

are working. there have been many people affected by what's happened over the past week, but also 49,000 homes have been protected from flooding as a result of that investment , protected from flooding as a result of that investment, and also things like the pumps that i've been seeing here today and the flood barriers just in the community. >> i've been walking around, hundreds of homes have been protected because of those investments . but of course, this investments. but of course, this is going to be devastating for those is those who are impacted, which is why support in why there's financial support in place. overall, the place. but overall, the investment into investment that's going into flood defences at a very, flood defences is at a very, very high level. >> well, from all that rain to snow , because the met office is snow, because the met office is warning that snow showers are on the way and could get quite heavy, the uk's health security agency has also issued an amber cold health alert for parts of england until friday afternoon . england until friday afternoon. a yellow weather warning will come into force at 4 am. tomorrow, and states that ice and snow are likely to affect roads and train services in parts of greater london, kent , parts of greater london, kent, surrey, east and west sussex .

surrey, east and west sussex. the risk sunak has denied having hesitations about the government's rwanda scheme dunng government's rwanda scheme during his time as chancellor. the bbc claims to have seen documents where rishi sunak expressed scepticism about the plan , stating that the deterrent plan, stating that the deterrent won't work. he said it was his job to ask probing questions about every policy that came across his desk. chief secretary to the treasury laura trott says the prime minister's plan is the deterrent . the uk needs . deterrent. the uk needs. >> i am sure that he was asking a lot of questions about the policy , but look at his actions, policy, but look at his actions, look what he's done. you know, he's introduced the illegal migration bill into the house of commons, rwanda bill, which commons, the rwanda bill, which will introduce rwanda to this country and will mean that we overturn on the issues that were raised by the court of appeal, it will mean that flights can take off to rwanda, which we think important think is incredibly important because we know deterrence works . we've seen what happened with the deal , where they do the albania deal, where they do get returned country get returned to their country of origin . origin. >> however, shadow education

secretary bridget phillipson says the plan will not work . says the plan will not work. >> it's far from clear whether the plan will have sent anyone to rwanda because, you know, we've sent more home secretaries to rwanda than we have asylum seekers. and even if the even if rwanda were to be an effective intervention, well, even if it were effective, you're were to be effective, you're talking about between 100 to 200 asylum it's 1% of the asylum seekers. it's 1% of the backlog of claims that we're facing at the moment. so it's just the answer. it's just not the answer. it's a gimmick. we need to have gimmick. what we need to have is a plan. as labour are a serious plan. as labour are set around tackling set out around tackling those cases huge backlog of cases cases that huge backlog of cases and ending the use of inappropriate accommodation such as hotels after a teenage boy and a man have died after a car left a road in lincolnshire and became submerged in water, police are appealing for witnesses after the 16 year old boy and 40 year old man were killed at tetney lock road yesterday lunchtime time. >> the car involved was a blue mercedes 300. investigators are hunting for part of the fuselage

that blew off the alaska airlines aircraft mid—air. dozens of planes have been grounded in america after the plane made an emergency landing. when a hole appeared where a window had been . 177 people were window had been. 177 people were on board, but luckily no one was hurt. the us airline regulator has ordered inspection of 171 boeing 737 max nine jets. investigators believe the piece of the plane is somewhere near portland, oregon, and ask anyone who finds it to contact the police . a firefighter from police. a firefighter from lancashire has begun his attempt to break a guinness world record for the most weight lifted in 24 hours for 32 year old glenn bailey , needs to lift more than bailey, needs to lift more than 580,000kg between today and tomorrow . he 580,000kg between today and tomorrow. he aims. 580,000kg between today and tomorrow. he aims . to lift tomorrow. he aims. to lift 600,000kg, hoping to do around 60kg each time and around 12,000 reps in total. he decided to

take on the challenge to raise money and awareness for the firefighters charity, which provides health and wellbeing services . good luck to him provides health and wellbeing services. good luck to him and if that doesn't get you to the gym, nothing will. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on speaker by saying on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying play it's back to . nana. >> thank you pip. >> thank you pip. >> it'sjust >> thank you pip. >> it's just gone six minutes after 3:00. >> this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. >> i'm nana akua now before we go head to head in the next houn go head to head in the next hour, let me introduce you to them. so joining me today is social and cop26 social commentator and cop26 director lewis perry and also political commentator matthew stadlen. so here's what else is coming up in the head to head houn coming up in the head to head hour. the prime minister, rishi sunak , has pledged kerb the sunak, has pledged to kerb the benefits government spending benefits and government spending to cuts before and to fund tax cuts before and after the next election , before after the next election, before and after. that's a bit rich.

>> good luck with that one, he seeks to draw dividing lines between him and sir starmer between him and sir keir starmer as we enter the election. >> we'll also be discussing sir keir and his funding keir starmer and his funding pledges for the next election , pledges for the next election, which include flagship which include his flagship policy of the imposition of 20% vat on independent schools and the removal of business rate relief . relief. >> he insists it will not cause mass pupil exodus. >> uh, i don't know about >> but, uh, i don't know about that. >> he might be quite wrong. also >> he might be quite wrong. also >> we'll head to head with >> so we'll go head to head with the abu dhabi takeover the planned abu dhabi takeover of dozens of of the telegraph, with dozens of mps urging culture secretary lucy to block the move lucy fraser to block the move over concerns that press freedom could damaged . could be damaged. >> and then are councils getting their priorities right as millions of taxpayers face an accelerated dash to reach net zero, with at least 160 of them signing undemocratic pledges to beat the government's 2050 targets. and then finally, should prince andrew testify , should prince andrew testify, remember what happened to him with that terrible interview where it all went wrong .7 where it all went wrong? >> uh, well, lawyer for >> uh, well, a lawyer for multiple victims the jeffrey multiple victims of the jeffrey epstein scandal that

epstein abuse scandal says that he be forced to testify he should be forced to testify under oath . under oath. >> that's on the way in the next houn >> that's on the way in the next hour, as ever, tell me what you think we're discussing. >> gbviews@gbnews.uk . >> email gbviews@gbnews.uk. >> email gbviews@gbnews.uk. >> com or tweet at . gb news. >> com or tweet me at. gb news. >> com or tweet me at. gb news. >> so let's kick things off then.in >> so let's kick things off then. in a bid to boost his party's flailing poll numbers, rishi sunak has pledged to fund tax cuts by kerbing benefit spending. >> now , in announcing the >> now, in announcing the policy, the prime minister also sought to create a clear dividing line between himself and, of course, sir keir's labour party, who have repeatedly said that taxes are too high. but has stopped short of promising to reduce them. interesting, but we'll keep cutting tax benefits , cutting cutting tax benefits, cutting benefits, spending, funding tax cuts when your vote . right. cuts when your vote. right. >> let's welcome again my head to head as social commentator and cop26 director. lois perry, and cop26 director. lois perry, and also political commentator matthew stadlen . matthew stadlen. >> i just say, before we begin, please, no no, oh no no no.

please, no no no, oh no no no. >> okay. what you want? go >> okay. what do you want? go on, absolutely terrified. >> okay. what do you want? go on, i absolutely terrified. >> okay. what do you want? go on, i don't;olutely terrified. >> okay. what do you want? go on, i don't;olute|going fied. >> okay. what do you want? go on, i don't;olute|going upi. >> okay. what do you want? go on, i don't;olute|going up against >> i don't mind going up against anyone of debates anyone in these sorts of debates , but taking on you two at the same time , um, is really same time, um, is really frightening . so i'm going to frightening. so i'm going to admit defeat before we even start. i'm going to set my bar that now, that's actually >> see, now, that's actually quite passive aggressive and quite passive aggressive and quite done. well done. and >> well done. well done. and actually, is obviously actually, nano is obviously completely objective host. >> of course. yeah >> of course. yeah >> although i do have my opinion. so have objectives. >> so i'll have the objectives. i right . yeah. yeah. i want to be right. yeah. yeah. >> good tactic matthew i >> k we're k“ k-— >> but we're not buying it. are you home? should you buying it at home? should we start with him? >> matthew okay. >> why not? matthew okay. >> why not? matthew okay. >> you think? >> so what do you think? >> so what do you think? >> idea kerbing >> well, his idea kerbing the spending kerbing. >> it's kind of incredible that we don't quite know what this prime stands for. when prime minister stands for. when we on eve of an we are almost on the eve of an election and the tories have been have been in power for. well, should we deal with sunak to should we used to keir, though, should we used to keir, though, should we used to has his to keir look, keir has got his issues . issues. >> can you elaborate on those. >> can you elaborate on those. >> let's go carry on with you. >> let's go carry on with you. >> well come to starmer in a moment if we may. >> but first all, on sunak. >> but first of all, on sunak. is is he going to

is he going to is he going to cut or even abolish inheritance tax. this tax. i mean, yesterday in this interview with telegraph, interview with the telegraph, he's no nobility he's talking about no nobility of if you believe in of work. so if you believe in the nobility of work, why would you inheritance tax? i you slash inheritance tax? i don't think many people are going be taking in way. going to be taking in any way. this major point this is the first major point because fiscal drag. we've because of fiscal drag. we've all learned what that means because inflation. it means because of inflation. it means that so many more people are getting this, into getting dragged into this, into the rates, higher bands the higher rates, higher bands of tax. so the idea that of income tax. so the idea that this 2% cut of national insurance is going to mean that people end up paying less tax is highly questionable on the issue of benefits, i think , first of of benefits, i think, first of all, people who do work are also often on benefits as well as people who don't work. but because we've been in this sort of huge , huge crunch in the in of huge, huge crunch in the in the in the cost of living and in the in the cost of living and in the crunch of our living standards. people's benefits standards. if people's benefits start getting taken as well start getting taken away as well , they're to struggle even , they're going to struggle even more. most people more. and i think most people i mean, may be wrong, most mean, i may be wrong, but most people think people watching today will think we of we should have a sort of civilised base rate at which people are able to live their

lives. so will it my vote? lives. so will it win my vote? no look at the no and if you look at the struggling public services, particularly which we particularly the nhs, which we all unless we can all rely on, unless we can afford health care and afford private health care and i can't we cut taxes, how on can't if we cut taxes, how on earth are we going to improve those services? >> lois perry well, those services? >> lois perry well , the thing >> lois perry well, the thing is, if we don't cut taxes , we're is, if we don't cut taxes, we're not going to stimulate economic growth , which means that we growth, which means that we won't be, you know , that won't be, you know, that basically we be able to basically we won't be able to afford to pay any public afford to pay for any public services . services anyway. >> so we to cut public >> so we need to cut public spending. can spending. so that we can actually people to actually increase people to actually increase people to actually make money. >> because who do you think pays the taxes that fund the public services? the taxes that fund the public senlt'ss? the taxes that fund the public senlt's the entrepreneurs, the >> it's the entrepreneurs, the business people, the majority of the businesses in this country are small businesses. need to are small businesses. we need to be encouraging and we're be encouraging them. and we're just not. but before covid, there was, uh, sorry, 3 million people in direct receipt of benefits. now there's 6 million. the whole furlough scheme, which was rishi sunak's idea, his whole concept as chancellor has discouraged people from taking any work whatsoever. and i've

been looking at some figures , been looking at some figures, actually. and the average wage, after tax in this country is £25,850 for a single parent on benefits, they get 22 grand, right? why would you go to work for £3,580 a year? there's no you know, what's the incentive? and in terms of cost of living, there are a lot of that could have been completely avoided because a lot of it is to do with net zero policies, which has up the price of has pushed up the price of energy, crippled not energy, which has crippled not just bills , but just people's heating bills, but the price absolutely the price of absolutely everything , including everything, including transporting food , goods, transporting food, goods, everything. so no, i think they should be. i think it's a good idea, actually. >> i mean, you've raised a lot of want come to the of points. i want to come to the philosophical a moment, philosophical one in a moment, if stimulation philosophical one in a moment, if just stimulation philosophical one in a moment, if just on stimulation philosophical one in a moment, if just on the mulation philosophical one in a moment, if just on the mulat ofi of growth. just on the issue of the lower income . a portion of the lower income. a portion of the lower income. a portion of the population certainly don't think go for think taxes should go up for them. equally , i don't think them. but equally, i don't think their benefits be taken their benefits should be taken away you are away because imagine if you are bringing home 22 k or whatever it was you just said following your you have if your research. if you have if you're on benefits, there and those those reduced ,

those are those are reduced, you're going really, really you're going to really, really struggle on the the wider struggle on the on the wider point growth , i mean, point about growth, i mean, there this joke about the there was this joke about the anti—growth coalition. do you remember was remember when liz truss was prime minister this, for prime minister for this, for that short period of that disastrous short period of time was thrown out in time when she was thrown out in a well, wasn't a coup. a coup? well, it wasn't a coup. well, it was, of course, she she helped helped the helped she helped crash the economy . but of course, let me economy. but of course, let me just point on growth. just answer the point on growth. >> she crashed economy. >> you >> sorry. you said no, she didn't. >> sorry. you said no, she did well, she she >> well, no, she didn't. she just wanted to actually implement i've implement the policies that i've just discussed stimulating just discussed about stimulating economic growth everything. just discussed about stimulating eco how c growth everything. just discussed about stimulating eco how did owth everything. just discussed about stimulating eco how did that everything. just discussed about stimulating eco how did that tout?thing. >> how did that work out? >> how did that work out? >> there was a coalition >> well, there was a coalition of all of the even even biden, £0.02 in and all of the big financial institutions ganged up on her and got her thrown out and got their stooge put in. >> why would they want to gang up on her? what was because up on her? what was it because they in? they wanted rishi in? >> rishi >> they wanted rishi in. rishi was absolute i don't was their guy. absolute i don't think financial background . think so. financial background. i'm sorry. look at what happened. of people think happened. a lot of people think that's interesting. >> obviously i >> okay, you obviously do. i don't at happened to don't look at what happened to interest. in interest. but you believe in that what that zero. look at what happened. net zero happened. come to net zero later. look what happened to later. look at what happened to interest people , interest rates. i mean people, real whom again,

real people, many of whom again, watching this programme, we've had . we've real people had more. we've had real people as it were, not what i mean, there other things at play there were other things at play which which . let's do it which caused which. let's do it one at a time. if we do one at a time. >> sorry. carry on. >> sorry. carry on. >> what mean real >> matthew, what i mean by real people, real people, i mean in the real world, talking world, we're not just talking about philosophy here. world, we're not just talking ab

stimulate, maybe some of those people to potentially go to work, they can't. >> gl $l. fil- >> you've got to work out what percentage potentially able percentage are potentially able to that you can to make money so that you can stimulate economy in growth. stimulate the economy in growth. if have generous benefit stimulate the economy in growth. if hisurelyjenerous benefit stimulate the economy in growth. if hisurely that ous benefit stimulate the economy in growth. if hisurely that would nefit system, surely that would encourage people to stay. >> anyone could >> i don't think anyone could argue vast argue it's generous. the vast majority of people who are on benefits need to benefits . benefits need to be on benefits. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> nonsense. it's not nonsense. >> nonsense. it's not nonsense. >> how many people do you know on ? it's just on benefits? it's just out of interest. in, live in interest. i live in, i live in near southend how many near southend on sea. how many people direct people do you come into direct contact day who are contact with every day who are in receipt housing in direct receipt of housing benefit ? and, and, know, benefit? and, and, you know, basically income support? >> i'd say without without knowing it. i mean, amongst my friends, none of my friends as far as i understand, you have no, no, you've got answer far as i understand, you have no, question,|'ve got answer far as i understand, you have no, question, but got answer far as i understand, you have no, question, but gilive answer far as i understand, you have no, question, but gilive on swer far as i understand, you have no, question, but gilive on a/er your question, but i live on a street, for example, that is half social housing. so i might not know directly that they are on benefits, but they will be about it if we're going to if we're talk this. we're going to talk about this. so then? how so what's the answer then? how many it many people i don't know, it doesn't any . you're going doesn't know any. you're going to going to you're to you're going to you're going to you're going to you're going to anecdote you to say anecdote that you know a lot benefits. lot of benefits. >> no no, no, anecdotally

>> no no no, no, not anecdotally . it's not anecdotally i you know i've got my background is quite interesting. i've got the posh side and i've the other posh side and i've got the other side family. okay. side of my family. right. okay. i know that there are people are on benefits because they want to be on benefits and have and have multiple relationships with different men with no intention of staying with them because they know that it's going to be funded by the state. i'm sorry, matthew, you do not know what you're about, but i you're talking about, but i really, you've friends. >> got friends who >> you've got friends who are who members who are family members deliberately cheat the deliberately trying to cheat the system. your view ? system. in your view? >> no, they're cheating the >> no, they're not cheating the system the system is system because the system is what and it's completely what it is. and it's completely legal. saying that you legal. i'm just saying that you don't what you're talking don't know what you're talking about when say people are on about when you say people are on benefits , you they to benefits, you know they need to benefits, you know they need to be no they don't. be on benefits. no they don't. >> when you've got >> and when you've got what should happen to these people, what should happen to these people? talking about people? you're talking about these family members, your family these family members, your fanltl these family members, your fanit should a family >> it should be a your family members should be allowed. >> so your family >> okay i agree. so your family members should they shouldn't be allowed to starve, but they should should to should be. they should have to live terribly miserable lives, including children. no no

including their children. no no no hold on. no no. hold on. >> we're running out of time. >> we're running out of time. >> she didn't say that. but look, i get it. >> point is, what >> but the point is, what lois is are there are is alluding to are there are some on benefits some people who are on benefits who shouldn't be. but matthew some people who are on benefits who sayingin't be. but matthew some people who are on benefits who saying that e. but matthew some people who are on benefits who saying that there: matthew some people who are on benefits who saying that there are tthew was saying that there are lots of be on benefits. >> perhaps the government really needs the system so needs to change the system so that employers that they are employers are forced to pay more that forced to pay more so that people don't need to sit and languish i mean, people don't need to sit and languigot i mean, people don't need to sit and languigot to i mean, people don't need to sit and languigot to way. iean, that's got to be the way. but listen, you think gb listen, what do you think gb views gbnews.com tweet me at views gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news news. this is head to head. are going head to head head. we are going head to head on next and is on the next one. and this is about the party. they're about the labor party. they're cracking about the labor party. they're cracki loopholes avoid paying using loopholes to avoid paying vat they come into vat on fees if they come into power at the next general election . election. >> now, of this is in >> now, all of this is in anticipation of coming anticipation of a of them coming into power. several private schools have been encouraging parents to make use of fees in advance schemes to save themselves. thousands of pounds. but zakia wants to put a stop to such schemes and ensure that private schools pay the 20% vat in full. even for parents who have already paid in advance. now this is many feel ludicrous.

>> but is this that raid on private schools justified? >> so joining me going head to head lois perry and matthew stadlen lois perry , i'm going to stadlen lois perry, i'm going to start with you . start with you. >> well, people who pay for private school have actually paid they. paid twice, haven't they. because they paid through their taxes state education. and taxes for state education. and then and they're paying then and then they're paying again. education shouldn't then and then they're paying ag'that education shouldn't then and then they're paying ag'that . education shouldn't then and then they're paying ag'that . you ucation shouldn't then and then they're paying ag'that . you shouldn't|ouldn't then and then they're paying ag'that . you shouldn't have1't then and then they're paying ag'that . you shouldn't have to be that. you shouldn't have to pay be that. you shouldn't have to pay it on that's you pay it on fat. that's why you don't pay fat books . don't pay fat on books. education is not luxury . and education is not a luxury. and they think they're going to stop people sending to people sending their kids to private or or helping private school or or helping them by even getting tutors . you them by even getting tutors. you know, much mistaken. know, they're much mistaken. but surely if you take kids out of private school, putting private school, you're putting more system more burden on the state system anyway? well, i think this is class warfare. >> their argument is >> actually, their argument is that parents can still >> actually, their argument is that to parents can still >> actually, their argument is that to pay. 'ents can still afford to pay. >> only their fees go >> it's only 20. their fees go up incrementally every year anyway, so a little bit extra on top. >> it would be affordable and fine. >> yeah. but 20% is not a little bit extra . and also a huge bit extra. and also a huge amount of people that send their kids to private school aren't very wealthy, extremely wealthy .

very wealthy, extremely wealthy. they literally have they literally don't have holidays . they don't buy holidays. they don't buy a house, they don't do certain things to give kid things to give their kid a certain in life, certain start in life, especially live especially if they live in a particular of country particular part of the country where schools aren't, where the local schools aren't, you know, aren't particularly great. i mean, my, my granddad was, , he was champagne was, um, he was a champagne socialist he he, he socialist as well. he he, he didn't believe . he didn't didn't believe. he didn't believe. he didn't believe in private schools. so his, his private schools. so his, um, his way around that was to buy, buy my a flat in, in the area of my mum a flat in, in the area of a brilliant area, make a brilliant catchment area, make himself chairman of the governor, a chairman of the board of the school board of governors of the school and them big and then build them a big computer thing on the side. but, you he was in you know, he was lucky he was in a to do that. having a position to do that. having said as said that, as soon as i had a boy, suddenly he did in boy, suddenly he did believe in private do think, >> well, what what do you think, matthew? >> principle , i think it's >> in principle, i think it's really difficult to justify what effectively a subsidy. the effectively is a subsidy. the fact that private schools at the moment are exempt from vat, but i worry about unintended consequences is 20% on this? i agree with lois. 20% is a lot for a lot of the parents, i suspect, who struggled to make

ends meet at this. admittedly much higher area of society than people who are on benefits. so 20% could well knock out some people from being able to afford it going happen it. what's going to happen to the who are already in the pupils who are already in that system? will they have to be of it? i mean, be taken out of it? i mean, remember himself? remember keir starmer himself? i think he he risked being pulled out of his school and i think became a private school. but he was allowed to stay on. so i worry about the unintended consequences . i worry that it consequences. i worry that it will mean that actually those places will be filled by overseas . yes. my overseas students. yes. and my i think the priority should be educating british pupils rather than people coming from overseas. so whether it will work out in practice , i'm not so work out in practice, i'm not so sure. do i think that private education is fundamentally unfair and i'm a beneficiary of it myself? yeah, of course i do , it myself? yeah, of course i do, because the person down the other end of my street, or few doors down that i talked about earlier, who's in social housing? well, we have them around for drinks of all sorts. i just don't ask them how benevolent him . benevolent of him. >> your son? is your son

>> like is your son? is your son going to private school ? going to private school? >> big debate going on >> that's a big debate going on in my in my family at the moment. him a moment. i want him to go to a state school. moment. i want him to go to a state sch> why? why because he wants him. can i just he wants to use >> why? why because he wants him.as|n i just he wants to use >> why? why because he wants him.as|n socialhe wants to use >> why? why because he wants him.as|n social worker. s to use him as a social worker. >> take one point at a time very quickly. briefly, on quickly. so briefly, people on our street who are, who, who, who housing, who are in social housing, no doubt in doubt some of them are in in receipt of benefits. do i say when they come round for a drink or for meal? are you on or for a meal? are you on benefits? don't. so benefits? of course i don't. so the answer is don't know the answer is i don't know whether i know people who are on benefits. to private benefits. but back to private schools. a really i schools. and this is a really i think important. schools. and this is a really i th it( important. schools. and this is a really i th it fair important. schools. and this is a really i th it fair that important. schools. and this is a really i th it fair that someone ortant. schools. and this is a really i th it fair that someone like it. schools. and this is a really i th it fair that someone like me , is it fair that someone like me, because my were well off because my parents were well off enough, happened to do a job that send me to that enabled them to send me to a school, had the benefit of my education, the education, and the kid down the road think that road doesn't. i don't think that is this policy going to is fair. is this policy going to sort no, isn't . sort it out? no, it isn't. >> well, think about it, >> well, if you think about it, i mean, i think lois made a valid point that you're paying twice as a parent but twice as a parent and but you also valid that also made a valid point that whether you don't think it will work think work out, whether you think it'll not, it'll work out or not, and i personally you personally don't think thank you for validating our points. that's that's right. >> well, job. you >> well, that's my job. if you say also say something stupid, i'll also

do the same. >> if you've just >> right. well, if you've just tuned minutes after tuned in, well, 22 minutes after 3:00, head to head 3:00, we're going head to head with lois perry and also matthew stadler. >> and i'm nana akua. this is gb news. the people's news. we are the people's channel. on tv, channel. we're live on tv, onune channel. we're live on tv, online radio, online and on digital radio, coming up, are councils getting their priorities right as millions taxpayers face an millions of taxpayers face an accelerated dash to reach net zero with at least 160 of them signing undemocratic pledges to beat the government's 2050 targets. >> we all know of the horror stories from our councils . stories from our councils. >> uh, let me know yours. i'd love to hear them. >> from taking bins to >> from not taking bins to taking and wrong taking bins and the wrong bins. and nightmare , isn't and it's a nightmare, isn't it? who who had council tax who who hasn't had a council tax increase? though , increase? but up next, though, i'll be discussing the planned abu takeover the abu dhabi takeover of the telegraph . with dozens of mps telegraph. with dozens of mps urging cultural secretary lucy fraser to block the move over concerns that press freedom could be damaged

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firm that is three quarters funded by the gulf state ofcom have already launched a review into the sale, but it's only lucy frazer, who has the power to ultimately, ultimately block the takeover. so should we be worried over the potential sale of the telegraph to foreign buyers ? so joining me now to go buyers? so joining me now to go head to head lois perry and matthew stadlen . all right. matthew stadlen. all right. matthew stadlen. all right. matthew i will start with you. >> yeah, i think we should be very worried. i don't think it should be happen. i think our press should and owned by press should be run and owned by british people. press should be run and owned by britand)eople. press should be run and owned by britand that's. press should be run and owned by britand that's lois. >> and that's lois. >> and that's lois. >> he says it should be. it's quite straightforward or straight into that. >> yeah, i agree you. >> well, yeah, i agree with you. >> well, yeah, i agree with you. >> christ . >> jesus christ. >> jesus christ. >> don't swear on a sunday. some people don't like that. >> oh, i'm sorry. >> i mean, look, the guy's the guy it to guy who's fronting. it used to be if not the be a very senior, if not the most senior guy at cnn. he's trying in this process trying to build in this process by which editorial independence would be guaranteed . yeah. in would be guaranteed. yeah. in practice, really , we i mean, we practice, really, we i mean, we know that. we know that that this station is part funded by,

i think, an investment group that has links with and is partially based in dubai. so that's interesting, but that can be questioned . i mean, if you be questioned. i mean, if you look at if you look at the whole brexit thing, sorry to bring brexit thing, sorry to bring brexit back into but it was brexit back into it, but it was about an, you know, brexit back into it, but it was ab> and no, i'm not, but i do believe our football clubs, believe that our football clubs, for example, shouldn't be owned by interests in the united arab emirates, shouldn't be owned by saudi arabia. i'm a man united fan, although i'm losing heart and i do not want our club to be owned and looks owned by qatar. and it looks like going happen like that's not going to happen anymore. is anymore. i mean, newcastle is a really interesting example because was because part of the deal was supposed that saudi arabia supposed to be that saudi arabia would not direct input into would not have direct input into the club, i think, and is that

the club, i think, and is that the reality we have to at least have our eyes open about this stuff. do want of our main stuff. do i want one of our main newspapers left leaning, newspapers? i'm left leaning, but think telegraph is but i think the telegraph is really in really important. in fact, i wrote for three years. don't wrote for three years. i don't want this is by abu want it owned. this is by abu dhabi, commercial, dhabi, but we are a commercial, so we're a capitalist country. >> are not a communist state >> we are not a communist state and people should be able to buy whatever to buy. it is whatever they want to buy. it is down to our political structures to create, make it more to then create, make it more difficult or put things in the way that might make it more or less likely. >> contradiction in >> that's a contradiction in terms, isn't it? >> that's a contradiction in ten let isn't it? >> that's a contradiction in terrlet finish. n't it? >> that's a contradiction in terrlet finish. it it? >> that's a contradiction in terrlet finish. i haven't >> let me finish. i haven't finished you >> let me finish. i haven't finish know, you >> let me finish. i haven't finish know, do you? you don't know, do you? >> it is our political >> so it is up to our political elites to decide how they'll navigate that and determine whether a foreign buyer can buy something of that nature . but we something of that nature. but we are ultimately a capitalist state. >> so why? why would you want to head towards something that is more where more communist model, where we don't allow people to buy certain like commercial certain things like commercial entities, which is a commercial entity, which is very interesting because on, on the, on the jeremy corbyn easter type left , they are actually brexit.

left, they are actually brexit. >> brexit supporters as well. the hypocrisy of what you just said about being a remainer but then saying, oh, i think that things are i'm interested and i like shouldn't be owned by foreign interests. >> point your hypocrisy as >> i point out your hypocrisy as a brexiteer. >> i point out your hypocrisy as a brexiteis. >> i point out your hypocrisy as a brexiteis that ? >> why is that? >> why is that? >> because we're supposed to be this independent country this great independent country where plough our where we're going to plough our world, our through world, plough our way through the lot of our the world, and yet a lot of our country already owned country is already owned by qatar and nothing to do with brexit. >> brexit was about leaving the eu. >> could i just come back? it was country was about our power as a country and ability to on our and our ability to stand on our own two feet. >> specifically >> brexit itself specifically was leaving. >> brexit itself specifically waswe leaving. >> brexit itself specifically waswe shouldying. >> brexit itself specifically waswe should never have >> we should never have mentioned brexit. >> really >> no. you really, really relevant. speak relevant. can i just speak specifically for a specifically for just for a moment about match moment about the about the match you the telegraph a you buying the telegraph is a very , very questionable um very, very questionable um country state. the uae . um, it's country state. the uae. um, it's you know, they have actually funded, um, war crimes in, in the sudan. they've been downgraded by the financial authorities, by financial authorities, by financial authorities recently because of, uh , not trafficking money uh, not trafficking money laundering and putting money into terrorism and things.

>> some might argue that we are funding certain regimes that people think are great. i people don't think are great. i mean, we're funding ukraine. >> say that >> some people might say that that is, know, is not that is, you know, that is not right. we're funding israel. >> it's right for us to >> i think it's right for us to do that. >> but others may see as >> but others may see that as a different i mean, okay, i get your point. >> all right. but there was a writer telegraph writer in the telegraph recently, are recently, and his family are actually and actually from the sudan, and they etc, and actually from the sudan, and the said etc, and actually from the sudan, and the said that etc, and actually from the sudan, and thesaid that in etc, and actually from the sudan, and the said that in you c, and actually from the sudan, and thesaid that in you have and actually from the sudan, and the said that in you have to nd actually from the sudan, and the said that in you have to look he said that in you have to look at media standards of at the media standards of freedom in, in the uae and think, right, okay. how do they treat their journalists? are you either toe the line you risk either toe the line or you risk your life? yeah, there's no , um, your life? yeah, there's no, um, journalistic independence whatsoever either. and i mean, a lot of people would argue that especially during covid, that that was happening in this country . but he said that he's country. but he said that he's much freer do well, much freer to do well, extraordinarily freer to write and he wants and to do what he wants as a telegraph . um, editor, the telegraph. um, editor, the comments editor, than he would be that country. so we'd be be in that country. so we'd be we'd be owned or the telegraph would be owned by a country that has no journalistic integrity

whatsoever for their media. >> i mean, i agree with a lot of that. it's not really in the interests of our national security for a major newspaper or any newspaper to be owned from abroad. and just imagine, okay, be told, okay, okay, you could be told, okay, abroad, have editorial in abroad, you have editorial in dependence. imagine if the dependence. but imagine if the editor has article , a editor then has a big article, a front page criticising dubai in the way that lois just did. are you going to keep your job? probably not. >> the problem >> well, yeah, but the problem is a capitalist. we is we are in a capitalist. we are country, and are in a capitalist country, and we people are allowed to we should people are allowed to buy things, but should we should people are allowed to buy let things, but should we should people are allowed to buy let things, byourould we should people are allowed to buy let things, byour thoughts. we should people are allowed to buyviews things, byour thoughts. we should people are allowed to buyviews gb ngs, byour thoughts. we should people are allowed to buyviews gb news. your thoughts. we should people are allowed to buyviews gb news. comthoughts. we should people are allowed to buyviews gb news. comtho tweet gb views gb news. com or tweet me gb news. me at gb news. >> joining me going head to head matthew statler and lois perry . matthew statler and lois perry. >> uh, welcome on board. if you've tuned in i'm nana you've just tuned in i'm nana akua. is a gb news live on akua. this is a gb news live on tv, online and on digital radio. lots of have getting in lots of you have been getting in touch with your thoughts. >> keep them coming. >> keep them coming. >> i will read them on >> i will read some of them on the andrew, should the way. prince andrew, should he under he be forced to testify under oath jeffrey epstein oath over the jeffrey epstein abuse let's abuse scandal? but first, let's get your latest news headlines .

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nights from six. >> a fast approaching 39 minutes after 3:00. welcome if you're just tuned in. where have you been? oh, it's been fun. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. we're going a clash of going head to head in a clash of minds on this next topic, because at least 160 councils have introduced a new net zero measure beat the government's measure to beat the government's own targets reaching . net own targets of reaching. net zero by 2050. >> and amongst the measures brought in are closing streets to traffic charging vehicles to enter city centres and removing parking spaces. >> now, whilst the councils have justified their actions by saying that more ambitious plans of action are needed if britain is to meet its net zero targets, others have dismissed the plans as undemocratic because taxpayers have not been consulted , which i think is fair consulted, which i think is fair enough. consulted, which i think is fair enough . so joining me to go head enough. so joining me to go head to head, lois perry and also

matthew stadlen, we've got to start with you, lois, on this. oh >> oh, god , i don't even know >> oh, god, i don't even know where to start . i mean, >> oh, god, i don't even know where to start. i mean, you know, obviously these councils, it's a way of it's literally making money out of thin air. um, a lot of them have got little god complexes , so they little god complexes, so they get to exert all their power and control at a local level. but ultimately, this is a neo marxist utopia of no one ever going out or doing anything, just walking to the local shop. no freedom of choice. i've said this before. i've said it a million times. sit in at home universal basic income, staring at a screen, you know, waiting to be told what to do. probably microchipped , i don't know. the microchipped, i don't know. the whole thing completely and whole thing is completely and utterly undemocratic . nick and utterly undemocratic. nick and pretty nasty actually . pretty nasty actually. >> i'm not quite sure why it's anti—democratic or undemocratic for it, but if you don't like it, guess what you can do. or people in those areas . people in those areas. >> nothing you can do. why not? because the parties because all of the main parties agree nazi. because all of the main parties agroh nazi. because all of the main parties agroh , nazi. because all of the main parties agroh , okay, nazi. because all of the main parties agroh , okay, so azi. because all of the main parties agroh , okay, so ini. because all of the main parties agroh , okay, so in other words,

>> oh, okay, so in other words, the parties that represent us think is a good idea think that this is a good idea and annoyed because you and you're annoyed because you you're not represented. so do you're not represented. so do you know what the great thing you know what the great thing you democracy set up you can do in a democracy set up your own party. you set up your own group, cop26, or own campaign group, cop26, or whatever you could set. whatever it is you could set. >> knew you were going >> i knew you were going to say that passive that you could. passive aggressive could aggressive was that you could passive aggressive. is passive aggressive. well, it is or you know or whatever it is you know exactly what it's is it exactly what it's called. is it cop26 it as you well cop26? yes, it is, as you well know, right . know, i was right. >> not quite sure >> yeah. so i'm not quite sure what point of it is, but you what the point of it is, but you can set own party can you can set your own party up can you can set your own party up and then we can up and then, and then we can have great opportunity have the great opportunity to vote have the great opportunity to votybecause obviously >> because obviously i don't represent so represent anyone on. right. so the recent yougov polling the most recent yougov polling that carr , 26, or that we did with carr, 26, or whatever it is , um, showed that whatever it is, um, showed that 62% of those that were polled in a yougov poll wanted a referendum on net zero. so guess what? do you know why they wanted a referendum? because what? do you know why they want don't eferendum? because what? do you know why they want don't want1dum? because what? do you know why they want don't want netn? because what? do you know why they want don't want net zero acause they don't want net zero policies. because they know that it makes them poorer, takes away their just their choice. and it's just a completely ridiculous idea, especially when china and all these are doing these other countries are doing polluting in inverted commas, 100 times more than i'll let you

know can jump in. know when you can jump in. >> yes, matthew. yeah. give >> yes, matthew. yeah. look give me least me just a minute at least just to rebut some this stuff so to rebut some of this stuff so you minute, but you can have your minute, but if you keep dropping in passive aggressive jibes, then will aggressive jibes, then you will be passive aggressive. be in big passive aggressive. i don't understand the point about cop26. reform. cop26. listen reform. >> do reform, reform uk richard tice party. >> they offer something slightly different, right? they've they've got some some big bold policies i disagree with perhaps all of them interviewed. richard. we get on well i've interviewed him very robustly for the podcast . but there is for the podcast. but there is a party, upstart party that you party, an upstart party that you could vote for. he is implacably opposed richard tice to net zero. so it's not true to say that people who are anti net zero in the way that you are aren't represented. i think the majority of british majority of the british population realised that we have to be serious about climate change and that net zero, net zero is, broadly speaking, a very important goal. the question is, and this is just a caveat and this is important, and this is why i think it probably is quite useful to have voices such yours, lois, sort

voices such as yours, lois, sort of the rooftop. of shouting from the rooftop. cos the reason i'm cos the reason, the reason i'm being serious. finished the being serious. i've finished the point. listen, point. i am the reason. listen, what important is because what is important is because we've set this goal. and chris skidmore was the energy minister for the tories, who's just stepped it, when, when stepped down when it, when, when they they it they can when they enshrined it in we said, okay, in law is because we said, okay, this what we to this is what we need to do because be in line because we want to be in line with international community with the international community and we get and with science. how do we get there? just quickly there? so let me just quickly say how do we get there? that's important has be important because it has to be done i've to you. >> but i've got to stop you. i'm asking council's . oh asking about the council's. oh yeah. and we're talking about whether undemocratic. so. whether it's undemocratic. so. >> it or my >> well, my answer is it or my answer that is i'll give you answer to that is i'll give you answer to that is i'll give you a personal example. mile an a personal example. 20 mile an hour limits i hour speed limits in london. i don't for that don't remember voting for that at the last mayoral election. maybe didn't , maybe i didn't maybe i didn't, maybe i didn't read perspectives, read the perspectives, the prospectuses, the manifestos closely enough. i don't remember voting first came closely enough. i don't remember votas first came closely enough. i don't remember votas a first came closely enough. i don't remember votas a born first came closely enough. i don't remember votas a born and first came closely enough. i don't remember votas a born and bred st came closely enough. i don't remember votas a born and bred londoner in. as a born and bred londoner who's streets as an who's used the streets as an adult, i thought very, very annoying. i think it's a annoying. now i think it's a fantastic thing that doesn't answer the point about democracy. the democracy. what does answer the point about democracy is that we're a mayoral we're about to have a mayoral election, people election, and then if people don't they say, bye

don't like it, they can say, bye bye, khan . we'll, we'll, bye, sadiq khan. we'll, we'll, we'll vote for someone else. but i'll a secret. i'll tell you a secret. he's going win again. that's going to win again. and that's going to really annoy you. >> will interesting. >> this will be interesting. >> this will be interesting. >> it will >> if he does, i think it will annoy of people. annoy a lot of people. >> but he will >> it will, but he will win. >> it will, but he will win. >> me. but it will >> people like me. but it will be a very irritating because obviously it's called democracy though, isn't it? yeah, but nobody's under nobody's saying that it's under aquatic. we're talking the aquatic. we're talking about the council. voted council. well, they can be voted out round. out next time round. >> tice can set up lots >> richard tice can set up lots of councils around of local councils around councillors country . councillors around the country. >> what can you when your >> what can you do when your council these council are bringing these things in? in midst of their things in? in the midst of their time, which is undemocratic? you can get rid of them, but can try and get rid of them, but it's in the middle of the turn. they're putting. >> well, there's there is a, >> well, there's a there is a, there important, important there is an important, important and the and interesting. why the question and interesting. why the questio government and interesting. why the questiogovernment well. and interesting. why the questio government well. how central government as well. how much can a government or a local council deviate from their manifestos? and if they have been, if they have been, if they are socialist, okay. so if they're if they are significantly deviating, then i guess there is a question of whether it's anti—democratic . whether it's anti —democratic. but whether it's anti—democratic. but i repeat exercise your vote, get out and vote. if you don't

like what your council is doing, vote them out next time round. yeah well mean that's yeah well i mean that's interesting, point still interesting, but the point still remains interesting, but the point still remai|things the community doing things that the community have not asked them to do. >> and they're not aware of them doing and they're imposing >> and they're not aware of them doing and 1d they're imposing >> and they're not aware of them doing and in they're imposing >> and they're not aware of them doing and in thejwhere posing >> and they're not aware of them doing and in thejwhere p(live, them. and in my where i live, they've got this thing where they've got this thing where they've that the, they've decided now that the, they've decided now that the, the so you've the bin in the middle. so you've got black, and got the green, the black, and then brown one, the then there's a brown one, the brown it the green then there's a brown one, the brow it's it the green then there's a brown one, the brow it's the it the green then there's a brown one, the brow it's the greenthe green then there's a brown one, the brow it's the green one.reen then there's a brown one, the brow it's the green one. now one. it's the green one. now because lot of don't because a lot of people don't fill it. they're now going to put so you put a sort of surcharge so you can whether you want put a sort of surcharge so you can to whether you want put a sort of surcharge so you can to pick whether you want put a sort of surcharge so you can to pick up whether you want put a sort of surcharge so you can to pick up the ether you want put a sort of surcharge so you can to pick up the green ou want put a sort of surcharge so you can to pick up the green ou vofil them to pick up the green bin or not. my not. even though i pay my council tax, it's stuff like that. these councils doing, that. these councils are doing, and i think it's actually very undemocratic. you undemocratic. but what do you think at home? vaiews@gbnews.com us vaiews@gbnews.com or tweet us at gb news. we'll get some of those know those emails now. lois, i know with this net zero stuff, um , with this net zero stuff, um, what do you think is obviously skidmore's gone? which is a rather unfortunate name . rather unfortunate name. >> well, it really he had to go. >> well, it really he had to go. >> there was no point in me. i don't know why you know, >> there was no point in me. i don't there's/hy you know, >> there was no point in me. i don't there's ay you know, >> there was no point in me. i don't there's a top you know, >> there was no point in me. i don't there's a top yo that'sv, well, there's a top job that's coming up on the c.c.c. which is the climate change committee . the climate change committee. >> and lord gummer, um, who um, has been wrong on pretty much everything he's done during his

political very political career, obviously very famously making his little girly a the bse a hamburger during the bse crisis in the 90s. i even remember that . i remember remember that. i remember watching thinking, watching it and thinking, oh, that's a bit weird. anyway, he's, they've all got he's, you know, they've all got their the trough their snouts in the trough in terms renewable companies terms of renewable companies and stuff. fact that's not stuff. that's a fact that's not be any way libellous . be being in any way libellous. skidmore's on 80 grand year skidmore's on 80 grand a year from renewable company from this renewable company consultancy wants consultancy thing. and he wants and he's going to go over, i believe, to lord gummer's job because is stepping because lord gummer is stepping down yeah, it's all very down so, so yeah, it's all very corrupt and it's all totally can i hold on? hold on. sorry. >> no, it might not be corrupt. if he's going to the job legitimately leaving legitimately and leaving his post, that's perfectly. >> let >> if you're being paid, let me finish. allowed to do that. they >> he's allowed to do that. they are allowed second jobs. he's doing something a of doing something that a lot of mps who work mps do. we've got mps who work here doing a second here and are doing a second job. i in jobs i don't agree in second jobs with way. he's with mps, by the way. but he's not. that's corruption. him not. that's not corruption. him leaving his post, which he's allowed then taking a allowed to do and then taking a different it's different job. yeah. look it's the way to justify or to explain what skidmore has done. >> i don't think we should focus on him because much more on him because it's much more about which we

about the issues which we passionately disagree about. >> net zero, wasn't he? >> net zero, wasn't he? >> zero. but if >> he was mr zero zero. but if he was doing it to really draw attention to bill, that's attention to this bill, that's that's to that's probably going to pass anyway week. that's one anyway next week. that's one thing. wanted get thing. if he just wanted to get out and according out earlier. and according to richard , at least i'm not richard tice, at least i'm not sure why i'm going for my sure why i'm going to him for my news, he suggested it's news, but he he suggested it's £250,000. cost the £250,000. it's going to cost the council to the local community to to, run this election when the seat is going to be abolished anyway. so the mp who wins will only for a few wins will only be in for a few months. yeah months. so reformer. yeah we know but park know boycotting okay so but park that aside the point about skidmore he that rishi skidmore is he thinks that rishi sunak put skids under sunak has put the skids under the net zero policy. and this is very serious because there are two parts to this one. do we need to get to net zero? yes. obviously we do. that's a scientific and international consensus. >> consensus. >> so there is some people disagree. >> most disagrees. then she's in the studio. the second point is how get there. and this is how do we get there. and this is important. this is what i was trying to get earlier. we've trying to get to earlier. we've we've we've we've agreed and we've legislated to get there by 2050. but we need to do the hard thinking about how we actually

get there to make sure the policies are solid and to make sure that poorer people, if we can, not disproportionately affected. >> wrap this up because a lot of people agree with it, and people don't agree with it, and people don't agree with it, and people weren't consulted thoroughly it would thoroughly as to what it would entail. stuff entail. and a lot of the stuff they're making up right now is costing fortune, costing us all a fortune, including this stuff that these councils initiating without councils are initiating without any sort of democratic mandate as to whether they should be doing what you think? as to whether they should be doiiviews what you think? as to whether they should be doiiviews gb vhat you think? as to whether they should be doiiviews gb news. you think? as to whether they should be doiiviews gb news. com think? as to whether they should be doiiviews gb news. com but|k? as to whether they should be doiiviews gb news. com but before as to whether they should be doiiviwe; gb news. com but before as to whether they should be doiiviwe; gb italking)m but before as to whether they should be doiiviwe; gb italking aboutt before as to whether they should be doiiviwe; gb italking about vatore hand we were talking about vat on private schools. went head on private schools. we went head to sunak to head on that and sunak potentially to potentially cutting benefits to enable tax cuts. says enable tax cuts. jeff says i come from toxteth . the majority come from toxteth. the majority are on benefits and the majority are on benefits and the majority are working. she has no idea of the worry of even the possibility of reducing benefits. causes in the households of those that need it. so i think he's referring to you, lois. uh, mike says there are thousands of people claiming benefits as a career choice, mainly because the wages are too low. it is a very narrow channel for people to go for, which pays the most. this is a government failing , not the fault of the

failing, not the fault of the people. the majority of the people. the majority of the people to go work people would love to go to work if it enhanced their of if it enhanced their quality of life . and tony says on life. and tony says that on private schools will make lower income unable to pay, income parents unable to pay, making the rich elite able to have more spaces in those schools. so sir keir starmer will need to have a rethink. what he's actually doing. if he's proposing that. but moving on to our final story in head to head, a lawyer from , uh, for head, a lawyer from, uh, for several epstein's several of jeffrey epstein's victims is urging prince to andrew testify under oath about his role in the epstein abuse scandal , his role in the epstein abuse scandal, meaning that he would actually legally obliged to actually be legally obliged to tell the truth. now, florida based attorney spencer coffin made the comments after the duke of york was named, repeated in documents about epstein's crimes made public by a us court this week. and prince andrew has strenuously denied any claims of wrongdoing. >> but should he be forced to testify under oath? >> well , let's see what my head >> well, let's see what my head head has make of that. joining me to discuss louis parry and matthew staton. matthew, this one starts with you. >> completely clear on the

>> i'm completely clear on the prince andrew's stuff . he should prince andrew's stuff. he should he should be treated no differently how he would or differently from how he would or should be treated if he were just a regular british citizen . just a regular british citizen. the law has to apply to prince andrew in exactly same andrew in exactly the same manner . as it would or does manner. as it would or does apply manner. as it would or does apply to the rest of us. so if there is a means by which he can be compelled to do legally, be compelled to do that legally, then . the police, as i then fine. the police, as i understand it, have been asked to reinvestigate or to investigate for the first time to look at this again and so far they've they're not going to look at this again and so far they'v so they're not going to look at this again and so far they'v so unless y're not going to look at this again and so far they'vso unless further going to look at this again and so far they'v so unless further evidence to do so unless further evidence comes to light. to do so unless further evidence comes to light . whether you're comes to light. whether you're a prince andrew's supporter or you're not. the law of this land must apply to him and to my mind, it's as straightforward as that. >> sophia. okay. >> sophia. okay. >> lois berry right. there's a couple of points here. um, there's a brilliant book by the lady married to conrad lady that's married to conrad black, who used to own telegraph corp, amiel. corp, bought barbara amiel. she's recommend she's brilliant. i'd recommend it. she says in the book she's brilliant. i'd recommend it.was she says in the book she's brilliant. i'd recommend it.was well she says in the book she's brilliant. i'd recommend it.was well known/s in the book she's brilliant. i'd recommend it.was well known inin the book she's brilliant. i'd recommend it.was well known in theirs book it was well known in their circles that ghislaine and

epstein, um, did high level stings. that's what they did. high level stings. this is in her book. this is in her. this is in her book, evidence ella whelan. the other day mentioned that she felt that been whelan. the other day mentioned tha'up|e felt that been whelan. the other day mentioned tha'up|e fwell. at been whelan. the other day mentioned tha'up|e fwell. at i been whelan. the other day mentioned tha'up|e fwell. at i don'tzn set up as well. look, i don't know whether was set up or know whether he was set up or not, the if the not, but the british if the british don't think he british police don't think he needs to be interviewed , then needs to be interviewed, then does he be interviewed ? does he need to be interviewed? is it a witch hunt? >> so are you saying that andrew has been set up? is that what you're the you're saying? i'm saying in the book she book you're saying that that she she suggested that's she she suggested that that's what they did. >> the other read an >> and the other day i read an article said article that ghislaine had said that that had that she felt that he had been set on purpose as well, that set up on purpose as well, that it had been some sort of sting. that's what they did , that's what they did, apparently. but i don't know that for fact. that's that for a fact. but that's what that's but the that's the allegation. but the other is, i think we need other thing is, i think we need to find what happened to really find out what happened with . um, with geoffrey. um, with epstein's ? why? epstein's death, why? why? because why is that relevant? because why is that relevant? because because the relevance is if somebody was trying to cover something up, i mean, he may well have committed suicide. i mean, lots of there's mean, there's lots of there's lots but lots of questions around it. but if was killed or his suicide if he was killed or his suicide was enabled in some way, helped

along. um, why? but who benefited from some people would say that that would be a waste of money because actually we should be investigating the people who are surrounding him and the stories around it. and also the stories around it. >> would benefit , who >> but who would benefit, who would his death? would benefit from his death? >> that would surely be part of the investigation into the broader investigation into the broader investigation into the individuals . the other individuals. >> you know and >> but but as you know and you know, committed know, they say he committed suicide, some say that suicide, but some say that something prison. if something happened in prison. if you convicted that kind you are convicted of that kind of crime, you don't really of crime, then you don't really have a good time in prison. and a lot of them sort of know. >> was in isolation. he >> but he was in isolation. he wasn't cell. the wasn't sharing a cell. the cameras for the time cameras were out for the time that killed it. apparently that he'd killed it. apparently killed himself. look, all i'm saying, is there a question marks all of it? over all marks around all of it? over all of it. do you think? >> do you not think it's a bit of of police time that of a waste of police time that we investigating of a waste of police time that wethis, investigating of a waste of police time that wethis, this investigating of a waste of police time that wethis, this epstein igating of a waste of police time that wethis, this epstein stuff|g of a waste of police time that wethis, this epstein stuff ? of this, this epstein stuff? what do you think? >> where the police. that there is sufficient evidence to suggest been suggest a crime has been committed by whoever it is . now, committed by whoever it is. now, of course, the police should investigate . and that includes investigate. and that includes historic incidents of either

child sexual abuse or other forms of sexual abuse. rape it's in rotherham, rape and so forth . in rotherham, rape and so forth. wherever it is, the. hang on, hang on, wherever it is, whether it's in rotherham , whether it's it's in rotherham, whether it's in london, i don't care where it is. the law of the land should apply is. the law of the land should apply equally to everyone without fear and without favour. as far as prince andrew is concerned , as i understand it, concerned, as i understand it, he stepped back some time ago, didn't he, from his sort of more pubuc didn't he, from his sort of more public facing duties. he's no longer really an active member of family correct of the royal family or correct me if i'm so this whole me if i'm wrong. so this whole thing, one way or another, has taken toll on him and where taken a toll on him and where it's a very depressing it's just a very depressing story. whichever way you look at it . it. >> mhm. final word to ulez per. >> mhm. final word to ulez per. >> i've got about ten i mean and he's it's he's lost his mum and it's horrible when the horrible when you're the favourite child and the parent dies the other siblings favourite child and the parent die are the other siblings favourite child and the parent dieare well. the other siblings go are well. >> but some people , you know >> but some people, you know he's not been convicted of anything. he has said that he you know he has all denied all allegations . you know he has all denied all allegations. but you you know he has all denied all allegations . but you know, in my allegations. but you know, in my view i do i kind of agree with matthew and lois in this one. if

somebody's done something wrong, they should be investigated properly. be nice they should be investigated prthe'ly. be nice they should be investigated prthe police be nice they should be investigated prthe police would be nice they should be investigated prthe police would also; nice if the police would also investigate the other investigate all of the other crimes as well. >> girls? yeah, the >> and the girls? yeah, the girls were systematically girls who were systematically abused didn't. abused and they they didn't. yeah >> en- en“ >> well, listen. stay tuned. loads come. is loads more to come. this is gb news tv, online and news live on tv, online and digital radio. but first let's get weather. get some weather. >> a brighter with boxt >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello, i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office. we'll see plenty of fine settled weather across the uk over the next few plenty sunny next few days. plenty of sunny spells, fog, and icy spells, fog, frost and some icy patches during the patches though during the overnight period or overnight period and 1 or 2 wintry showers. high wintry showers. two high pressure sitting pressure is dominating. sitting just towards north—west of just towards the north—west of the us the generally the uk, giving us the generally fine notice fine conditions. although notice fairly tightly packed isobars towards the south. so a bit of a breeze coming in from the east or north easterly direction as we into the evening and we head into the evening and dunng we head into the evening and during period, we head into the evening and during across period, we head into the evening and during across north od, we head into the evening and during across north of showers across the north of england their england will work their way westwards the irish sea westwards into the irish sea areas and also a few showers

developing down the developing down towards the south—east of england need to keep on those as head keep an eye on those as we head into monday into rush hour on monday morning. of morning. could give a bit of snow in places, especially on the , and a few icy the north downs, and a few icy patches in places to elsewhere, though case of frost and though it's a case of frost and some patches by some fog patches forming by monday . as for monday monday morning. as for monday itself, a bit of a tricky start towards the southeast. there some showers places, some wintry showers in places, icy in places here icy patches in places here to elsewhere , fog and frost elsewhere, fog and frost gradually lifting plenty of sunshine away from that southeast corner. although the showers southeast corner. although the shov start migrate their way will start to migrate their way westwards across southern england eventually the england, eventually reaching the far the uk. as we far south—west of the uk. as we head the latter stages of head into the latter stages of the day on monday, another pretty for the time pretty chilly day for the time of the of year and factor in the eastern breeze, of year and factor in the eastitn breeze, of year and factor in the eastit will breeze, of year and factor in the eastit will feel breeze, of year and factor in the eastit will feel colder breeze, of year and factor in the eastit will feel colder still ze, and it will feel colder still out about . tuesday, though, out and about. tuesday, though, promises in the of promises more in the way of sunshine locally sunshine after a frosty, locally foggy , but it will stay foggy start, but it will stay quite chilly for the of quite chilly for the time of yeah quite chilly for the time of year. temperatures mid, year. temperatures low to mid, single most year. temperatures low to mid, single and most year. temperatures low to mid, single and we most year. temperatures low to mid, single and we head most year. temperatures low to mid, single and we head through places, and as we head through the week more in the the rest of the week more in the way clouds to filter way of clouds starting to filter down turning down from the north, so turning cloudier as we go cloudier from the north as we go through week looks like through the week looks like things are heating up . things are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of

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news headlines. >> nana. thank you very much. good afternoon. i'm sam francis in the gb newsroom . the in the gb newsroom. the headunes in the gb newsroom. the headlines at three. >> well , we start with some >> well, we start with some breaking news. >> the conservatives have chosen the partner of disgraced former mp peter bone to replace him. according to the party chair, richard holden. helen harrison was selected as the new candidate for wellingborough at a meeting of members this afternoon. a by—election is being held there after mr bone was found to have indecently exposed himself to a staff member and trapped them in the bathroom of hotel room. he has bathroom of a hotel room. he has denied allegations as , denied those allegations as, after being criticised for not meeting with flooding victims, the prime minister has today been speaking with residents in oxford. he claims that they were at pains to say that the environment agency's response to flooding had been great. rishi sunak also met environment agency workers at the depot on osney island to see firsthand

their battle with rising river levels over 1800 properties have been damaged and more than 160 flood warnings are still in place in england. the prime minister says the government's flood defences are working. there have been many people affected by what's happened over the past week, but also ipso 49,000 homes have been protected from flooding as a result of that investment. >> and also things like the pumps that i've been seeing here today and the flood barriers just in the community. i've been walking around hundreds of homes have of have been protected because of those but those investments. but of course, is going to be course, this is going to be devastating for those who are impacted, which is why there's financial in place. but financial support in place. but overall, investment that's overall, the investment that's going into flood defences is at a l going into flood defences is at a , very level . a very, very high level. >> well, from the rain to the snow , the met office is warning snow, the met office is warning that snow showers are on the way and could become heavy. and could become quite heavy. the security agency the uk's health security agency has issued an amber cold health alert for parts of england until friday afternoon , and there's a friday afternoon, and there's a yellow weather warning in place

from tomorrow morning at 4 am, saying that ice and snow are likely to affect roads and train services in parts of greater london. in kent, surrey, east sussex and in west sussex. two earlier rishi sunak denied having hesitations about the government's rwanda scheme dunng government's rwanda scheme during his time as chancellor, the bbc claims to have seen documents where rishi sunak expressed scepticism about the plan, stating that the deterrent won't work. but the prime minister has said that it was his job to ask. minister has said that it was hisjob to ask. probing his job to ask. probing questions about every policy that comes across his desk. shadow education secretary bridget phillipson says the plan won't work . won't work. >> it's far from clear whether the plan will have sent anyone to rwanda because, you know, we've sent more home secretaries to rwanda than we have asylum seekers. and even if the even if rwanda were to be an effective intervention, , even if it intervention, well, even if it were be effective, you're were to be effective, you're talking about between 100 to 200 asylum seekers. it's1% talking about between 100 to 200 asylum seekers. it's 1% of the backlog of claims that we're facing at the moment. so it's just not answer. just not the answer. it's a gimmick. to is

just not the answer. it's a giserious to is just not the answer. it's a giserious plan. to is just not the answer. it's a giserious plan. as to is just not the answer. it's a giserious plan. as labouro is just not the answer. it's a giserious plan. as labour are is a serious plan. as labour are set out around tackling those cases that huge backlog of cases and ending the use of inappropriate accommodation such as hotels . as hotels. >> well, today is the fifth day of the longest nhs strike in history. that's as junior doctors hold their ground over pay doctors hold their ground over pay and conditions. hospitals is concerned with patient safety , concerned with patient safety, are pleading for an end to the industrial action, with several nhs trusts declaring critical incidents as results of the walkouts. talks between the government and the british medical association broke down last month , with the union last month, with the union claiming its members pay has been cut by more than a quarter since former medical since 2008. former medical director and chief medical officer of bupa doctor andrew vallance—owen, says it's time for negotiations . for negotiations. >> what they are doing is demonstrating how important they are to the nhs , but because we are to the nhs, but because we can see the chaos which is resulting from their from their action. but i think that their

leaders , you know, should be leaders, you know, should be thinking now before they completely lose public support. at the moment they have still got it. um, to according opinion polls. um, now is the time to say, okay, we will negotiate . say, okay, we will negotiate. >> well elsewhere, a teenager and a man have died after a car left a road in lincolnshire and became submerged in water. police are appealing for any witnesses after the 16 year old and the 40 year old man were killed in tetney yesterday lunchtime. car involved was lunchtime. the car involved was a blue mercedes 300. in the us, investigators are hunting for part of the fuselage that blew off the alaska airlines aircraft yesterday while it was mid—air. dozens of planes have been grounded in america after the plane made an emergency landing. when hole appeared where a when a hole appeared where a window had previously been, 177 people were on board that flight, but luckily no one was hurt. the us airline regulator has ordered inspections of all 171 boeing 737 max nine jets in

the country . investigators the country. investigators believe the piece of the plane is somewhere near portland in oregon , and they're asking oregon, and they're asking anyone who finds it to contact the police and a firefighter from lancashire has begun his attempt to break a guinness world record for the most weight lifted in 24 hours, 42 year old glenn bailey needs to lift more than 580,000kg. good luck between today and tomorrow . he's between today and tomorrow. he's aiming to lift 600,000kg in total. that will take 60kg a time at around 12,000 reps in total. time at around 12,000 reps in total . he decided to take on the total. he decided to take on the challenge to raise money and awareness for the firefighters charity, which provides health and wellbeing services as this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and of course on your smart speaken and of course on your smart speaker. just say play gb news news now though, let's return to

. nana .nana >> thank you sam, you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news live on tv, online and on digital radio. we are the people's channel. equality, diversion and inclusion. so whilst we are in the midst of the longest doctors strike in history, which with an nhs buckling under the pressure, we've had strikes pretty much across the board. nurses who definitely deserve better pay, who settled on a deal. but then got annoyed when consultants who were over 100 k went on were paid over 100 k went on strike secured even more strike and secured even more money earlier last year, we had the ambulance workers and so it goes on, and this has pushed the waiting list up further, with people's lives being destroyed, many dying as a result in the midst of all of this, some someone, somewhere, i'm guessing in the edhi unit equality, diversion and inclusion, which is what i like to call it, has been paid money to come up with this clap trap. an online

registration portal called mychart introduced into guy saint thomas nhs foundation trust and king's college hospital nhs foundation trust, where patients are being asked to choose from 159 religions, 12 genders and ten sexual preferences before they attend a hospital appointment. now some of the options on the list include goddess, druid and satanist, which i'm presuming are religions, although they could be sexual preferences or genders. this is wokery on a scale beyond belief and the last place where you expect to see delusion. trump biological facts . there are only two genders, and that is a very relevant and and that is a very relevant and a very important piece of information when treating patients , and also determining patients, and also determining which ward they should be on. yet the form offers a dozen which include questioning , age, which include questioning, age, genden which include questioning, age, gender, demi boy and demi girl. what the hell are they? for

god's sake? this is ridiculous and totally pointless . and why and totally pointless. and why on earth do we need to know someone's sexual preference? and what has that got to do with anything? when you're in hospital? and just make sure hospital? and just to make sure that ask the all important that they ask the all important question as to what sex you actually because that's actually are, because that's what they really need to know . what they really need to know. the form also asks for your sex assigned at birth and your legal sex. i mean, this is clearly about satisfying some ideological nonsense that is not based in science at all. and the last thing you would expect from a health care system where biology matters and i suspect it's also about justifying the existence of the role of eddie , existence of the role of eddie, where many working within it are paid considerably more the paid considerably more than the frontline . if lottie frontline staff. if lottie moore, of biology matters moore, head of biology matters and gender identity ideology , and gender identity ideology, she has says that gender identity ideology has been stitched into the very fabric of our public health system. without public consensus. when it comes to healthcare, biological sex is vitally

important and it is crucial that nhs trusts know the sex of their patients . now, of course , other patients. now, of course, other nhs trusts are using the system with fewer options , but it's with fewer options, but it's still madness , with some nhs still madness, with some nhs chiefs on over 300 k heading up some of the most failing trusts. with record waiting lists. the nhs needs a serious spending rethink , and the first thing rethink, and the first thing thatis rethink, and the first thing that is surplus to requirements is equality , diversity and is equality, diversity and inclusion . so before we get inclusion. so before we get stuck into the debate , here's stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, the great british debate this hour. i'm asking , should rishi hour. i'm asking, should rishi cut benefits to fund tax cuts? yes. this comes as rishi has yes. now this comes as rishi has said that he'll kerb benefit and government spending to fund tax cuts. where after , before and cuts. where after, before and after the next election. now that's interesting that he thinks he can do it afterwards. that depends on what he thinks he whether houdini , he is. whether he's houdini, whether thinks going to whether he thinks he's going to

be but as seeks whether he thinks he's going to be draw but as seeks whether he thinks he's going to be draw dividing but as seeks whether he thinks he's going to be draw dividing liness seeks whether he thinks he's going to be draw dividing lines betweenzs to draw dividing lines between him and sir keir starmer , and as him and sir keir starmer, and as we sort of election we enter this sort of election yean we enter this sort of election year, we presume it will be this yeah year. then at 450, it's worldview. cross live to worldview. we'll cross live to los angeles to speak to paul duddndge los angeles to speak to paul duddridge the politics duddridge hosted the politics people to latest people podcast to get the latest on going on in united on what's going on in the united states with november's presidential election fast approaching . plus, we'll head approaching. plus, we'll head over to russia to speak to a russian journalist as they celebrate the orthodox christmas. but this comes the christmas. but this comes at the same time that moscow are proposing the english proposing banning the english language. stay tuned . then, at language. stay tuned. then, at five, it's this week's outside , five, it's this week's outside, where every sunday at five, i'm joined by celebrity, a mp joined by celebrity, a former mp of someone who has had an extremely interesting career to take a look at life after the job. lows job. we talk highs, lows and lessons comes lessons learned on what comes next outside . and next on the outside. and my guest well, here's guest this week? well, here's a clue. played a big part in clue. he played a big part in a very popular 1990 show, and he goes, no , that's not a big one, goes, no, that's not a big one, is it? but stay tuned. find out more that's coming up in the next as ever, tell me next hour as ever, tell me what you everything we're you think on everything we're discussing. gb views and discussing. email gb views and gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb

gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. well, let's welcome again to my panel . we've got chair of to my panel. we've got chair of republicans overseas , greg republicans overseas, greg svenson, and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, who just said that that was a rubbish clue. >> one of the worst clues we've heard . heard. >> 19 it's a very broad clue. >> 19 it's a very broad clue. >> 1990 successful tv show . and >> 1990 successful tv show. and you've got a picture with a guy whose face has been pixelated out exactly . out exactly. >> they're going to guess they'll get it right. they always clues better, know always do clues get better, know there'll be more. i'll add them in. was doing in. honestly, i was doing this. show yeah. in. honestly, i was doing this. sthooking yeah. in. honestly, i was doing this. shc looking gorgeous in. honestly, i was doing this. sthooking gorgeous ever. >> looking gorgeous as ever. >> looking gorgeous as ever. >> very good. >> oh very good. >> oh very good. >> handsome individual . >> very handsome individual. nick gibb . nick gibb. >> very good, very good. danny, i'm going to start with you, danny, because you know how it works do you think of this? >> well, look, i've met >> well, look, i've just met greg time, and greg for the first time, and i've interviewed him over the years and years on regional radio and it's. virus that it's. it's a mind virus that came north america. came over from north america. greg and i've only just met you, but i feel like you're partly responsible, not individually ,

responsible, not individually, but your country, which i'm a massive fan of. and it's infiltrated everything that we everything that we do in this country now and the nhs i think is, is sacrosanct . and i think is, is sacrosanct. and i think the nhs is too sacred to start messing around with things like this . know, you're this. you know, if you're really, forbid , any of us really, god forbid, any of us on the will get ill, whether the panel will get ill, whether we private health or we have private health care or whether national whether we rely on the national health service, we have health service, we still have to go triage system go through a triage system where the individual, the nhs is the first individual, the nhs is the first individual, the it is an and i'm the first bit. it is an and i'm not concerned about sexual whatever . not concerned about sexual whatever. did you say preferences. yes sexual preferences. yes sexual preference is on the list . preference is on the list. >> so what do you fancy? what do you you i mean why do they need to know sexual preference? are you. to know sexual preference? are you- gay to know sexual preference? are you. gay ? are you you. are you gay? are you straight? i think straight? are you? i think i know it's goddess. i don't know, they've all these agenda . they've got all these agenda. it's not you. they've got it's not what you. they've got questioning . questioning. >> right. >> all right. >> all right. >> it might be. i literally >> no, it might be. i literally don't yes, exactly . don't know what. yes, exactly. it's it's pointless. it's intrusive. it's pointless. >> i would feel desperately offended i could muster up offended if i could muster up the strength dropped dead. the strength if i dropped dead. and me back to and they brought me back to life, kelly, life, and they said, mr kelly,

before procedure, before we start any procedure, can we you a few things can we just ask you a few things about your sexual. would say, about your sexual. i would say, listen here, pal, i'm on my last breath. will you just save my goddamn is that what goddamn life? is that what you're goddamn life? is that what youyour breath? say no >> your last breath? i'd say no one's interested in what you're going to ask me. >> i'm a bloke. i'm a 53 year old bloke, a heterosexual guy , old bloke, a heterosexual guy, and life. yeah, and i've saved my life. yeah, yeah , it's pretty outrageous , by yeah, it's pretty outrageous, by the way. >> guilty as charged. >> guilty as charged. >> the america in >> i mean, the america in wokeism made it across wokeism somehow made it across the atlantic. wokeism somehow made it across the i itlantic. wokeism somehow made it across thei blame the blue states. it >> i blame the blue states. it all california and new york. >> a little bit of illinois didn't come from the good old fashioned red states where you'd be if someone asked you be offended if someone asked you a question like that. i mean, it's completely obscene . it's completely obscene. >> and you know the point you brought a brought up nana, you know, in a hospital , brought up nana, you know, in a hospital, biology matters. >> it's a it's a relatively important question . yeah. so important question. yeah. so it's pretty it's pretty outrageous. >> and it also is coming from such a sliver , such a small such a sliver, such a small group of kind of oddball bureaucrats that have found themselves in these die communities. >> i call it diversity ,

>> i call it diversity, inclusion and equity because it's die which the culture dies with this garbage. and so i hopefully there's a pushback. we're already seeing it in the us, maybe because it started earlier in the us . so we're earlier in the us. so we're seeing the pushback earlier . earlier in the us. so we're seeing the pushback earlier. but it's happening red states are basically out in effect outlawing wokeism or any sort of die critical race theory, any kind of rubbish that's taught in schools or taught in especially taxpayer funded institutions like public universities and any kind of public health care facilities . so it's starting. facilities. so it's starting. >> it's madness. >> it's madness. >> it's madness. >> it has started. but there's a generation in between who've been corrupted by and i hope been corrupted by it. and i hope that can come out of this that they can come out of this because daughter, a because my daughter, now she's a teenager , she's 14, 15 of teenager, she's14, 15 sort of thing. she finds this thing. and she finds this ridiculous. why would she . her ridiculous. why would she. her mummy has told her, for god's sake, don't even. but she wouldn't have she wouldn't wouldn't have her. she wouldn't have thought that that was something anyway, something that was real. anyway, she that somebody she told me that she's somebody at they were panda at school said they were panda genden at school said they were panda gender. mummy, gender. she goes, mummy, i'm

scared that somebody who said there's two spirit and panda gender and it's ridiculous isn't it. it'sjust made up. it. it's just made up. >> it's infiltrating everything we do, every every national organisation whether organisation, whether it's a media organisation, whether i've told my story plenty of times before , but die cost me my job before, but die cost me my job at the bbc because they wanted to diversify things. and luckily for me, i've gone on to bigger and better things. but i'm in a minority now. local radio minority of 1% now. local radio is shedding jobs and i know people who great radio people who were great radio presenters who are now delivering amazon parcels because are no jobs in the because there are no jobs in the media, die whether media, and that's die whether it's itv, channel five, it's the nhs, itv, channel five, sadiq khan's mayoral office, it's everywhere. >> but i wonder why it's taken such a strong hold and why anyone would take it seriously. because even as you're reading it, it's absurd . this is you're it, it's absurd. this is you're about to fill in a form to go into you've got to into hospital, and you've got to go through this form that and other trusts have the same sort of software, but don't have of software, but they don't have to take all the different to take all of the different genders and the different bits and pieces. but it should be a standardised thing. but the bottom either

bottom line is we are either male female . you go into male or female. you go into hospital, something hospital, there's something wrong with you, they're going to your body. you in your body. what you think in your body. what you think in your as to gender you your mind as to what gender you might whatever. that might be or whatever. that is irrelevant to irrelevant when it comes to being a physical condition. >> i wonder if a bureaucrat or some some manager in a facility just stuck to male female , would just stuck to male female, would they be ridiculed and run out of in the nhs? >> that's a really interesting point because say for example , point because say for example, you're a and you're having you're a nurse and you're having to ask these questions. what about if you're a nurse filled with and you feel i with common sense and you feel i don't really want to ask you these questions, mate, but i think got and you think i've got to. and you object say, look, i, i feel object to say, look, i, i feel uncomfortable these uncomfortable asking these questions against questions which go against biology, know , we work a, biology, you know, we work in a, we hospital which is biology, you know, we work in a, we on hospital which is biology, you know, we work in a, we on the hospital which is biology, you know, we work in a, we on the success|l which is biology, you know, we work in a, we on the success ofvhich is biology, you know, we work in a, we on the success of ,1ich is biology, you know, we work in a, we on the success of , of] is built on the success of, of science. and there's only two sexes, there's only two genders. yet this science is being distorted. and you want me to ask whether they're pangender, whether identify as whether they identify as something else demeaning themselves, and of course, and their lack of credibility. >> i mean, if you're a doctor or

a nurse and you're asking these obscene , owns what you obscene questions, owns what you know, makes look know, it kind of makes you look rather foolish. know, it kind of makes you look ratipeople sh. know, it kind of makes you look ratipeople will at >> people will just laugh at you, yeah you, right? yeah >> but, know, maybe if >> but, you know, maybe if you're some job at you're applying for some job at an oddball nightclub or something, esoteric, you something, really esoteric, you know, creative writing majors and university or something. okay, maybe you could talk about that stuff, but this is sort of black and white. >> well, it's like a little britain sketch when he used to dress up as a woman and he was going doctor and the going to see the doctor and the doctor went, are you male or female? went and then he female? and he went and then he went , me no female? and he went and then he went, me no testicular female? and he went and then he went , me no testicular aslef. female? and he went and then he went, me no testicular aslef. i haven't got that. was it . and he haven't got that. was it. and he goes, have you got are you male? and then he went and the doctor did something went, oh. did something and he went, oh. and and it was clear and then it was and it was clear that even though that he was a man, even though he woman. but he was dressed as a woman. but it he was trying he was dressed as a woman. but it evade he was trying he was dressed as a woman. but it evade answering; was trying he was dressed as a woman. but it evade answering; wa question he was dressed as a woman. but it ev¢whetherering; wa question he was dressed as a woman. but it ev¢whether heig; wa question he was dressed as a woman. but it ev¢whether heig; vmale stion as to whether he was male or female, and that was a joke, right? that right? that was the sketch that we yeah. and we were laughing at. yeah. and it's yeah it's actually happening. yeah amazing. absolutely amazing. right anyway, listen, you right anyway, but listen, if you just aboard. just tuned in, welcome aboard. this the this is gb news. we are the people's channel. nana akua. people's channel. i'm nana akua.

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feel sick to see junior doctors laughing and joking on the picket line, and absolutely nobody i've spoken to sympathises with them . yeah, sympathises with them. yeah, that's on junior doctors that's on the junior doctors strike. that strike. it's interesting that some they're some people say that they're losing . what do you losing sympathy. what do you think? gb news. com or think? gb views gb news. com or tweet at gb news. keep your tweet me at gb news. keep your thoughts but of thoughts coming. but now of course great course it's time for the great british hour. british debate this hour. and i'm rishi sunak british debate this hour. and i'm benefits rishi sunak british debate this hour. and i'm benefits to rishi sunak british debate this hour. and i'm benefits to fund rishi sunak british debate this hour. and i'm benefits to fund taxi sunak british debate this hour. and i'm benefits to fund tax cuts?ak cut benefits to fund tax cuts? now the prime minister has said that his priority was with cutting taxes, but he but has it. but it will result in difficult decisions , warning difficult decisions, warning that he will kerb benefits and the government spending to help fund these cuts. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking should he do just that? should he cut benefits to fund cuts? well, joining fund the tax cuts? well, joining me suzanne evans, me now to discuss suzanne evans, political and former political commentator and former labour and labour mp stephen pound and social commentator lewis perry. thank for joining social commentator lewis perry. thank forjoining me. i'm thank you for joining me. i'm going start with you, suzanne going to start with you, suzanne evans. hi . evans. welcome hi. >> do i think he should cut benefits to cut taxes . no benefits to cut taxes. no i don't i absolutely think he

should be cutting taxes. but i think there are other things that he could be looking at first. you know i think one first. you know i think any one of illness and of us through illness and unemployment could fall on hard times . and we've got to have times. and we've got to have that safety net of the benefit system. that said , of course system. that said, of course it should safety not should be a safety net, not a hammock. i think, hammock. um, but i think, you know , you at size of know, you look at the size of government, the size of government, the size of government is enormous. now, bigger been. bigger than it ever has been. you've got thousands, of you've got thousands, tens of thousands of civil servants who produce our society produce nothing in our society but huge amounts but actually making huge amounts of red tape calling for new laws that hamper business and actually prevent them from making money and paying taxes that can go to deliver essential benefits. so my answer is no. i think the benefit system does need to be looked at. >> um, but i also think his idea that he will change the benefit system but not do it retrospectively for everybody, but do it for people who are coming in on benefits is also grossly unfair. >> if you think benefit system isn't working , then look at the

isn't working, then look at the whole system as it stands now. don't just penalise people coming in in the future. >> think >> so no, i don't think he should cutting to should be cutting benefits to fund taxes. >> think taxes should >> but i do think taxes should be cut and i think funding for benefits should be coming from cuts elsewhere in the huge monolithic . government system. monolithic. government system. >> yeah, well he should be taking it from the civil service. i think. i agree with that. pound, do that. but stephen pound, what do you think? >> have to >> well, i have to say i've broken habits lifetime . broken the habits of a lifetime. >> i've actually looked into what because what he actually said because my immediate was to go immediate reaction was to go flying off in the air and say, you know, this is a typical tory slash thing, the benefits of the weak poor the sick weak and the poor and the sick and the you know, to load and the ill, you know, to load on, give advantages the on, to give advantages to the multi—million heirs. >> but and behold , when you >> but lo and behold, when you know, sorry, that's that's know, i'm sorry, that's that's what from. i can't what where i'm from. i can't help look, looking help it. but look, looking at it in detail, he's not in some detail, he's not actually about cutting actually talking about cutting benefits . he's not actually benefits. he's not actually talking welfare. talking about slashing welfare. he's talking about things like shrinking the state. he's talking about things like bringing freeze civil bringing in a freeze on civil service recruitment. now, suzanne. i have had our suzanne. and i have had our arguments over the years , and

arguments over the years, and lois and i have had our arguments years. but arguments over the years. but and you and i have had our arguments over the years. but, look, all argued with you, stephen. >> of us reducing the size >> all of us reducing the size of the state is a good thing. >> but to go back to the tories, every generation since the 1920s have talked about cutting welfare benefits to actually reduce the tax burden on the rest of the population. he's not actually saying that he's not that bad. he's not that evil . so that bad. he's not that evil. so let's just actually say let's reduce the size of the state and the old argument between strivers skivers simply strivers and skivers simply doesn't apply anymore. we should be the welfare be operating the welfare benefit system more efficiently and more effectively to cut out some of the nonsense to actually remove some the disincentive and some of the disincentive and actually get the country working again. as so rightly again. and as suzanne so rightly says, support those who need support and offer. >> it's like you're on a rocking chair , stephen. just because you chair, stephen. just because you can't . right? lois perry . can't. right? lois perry. >> yeah, well, you know, i don't i don't want to be on a rocking

chair . chair. >> looks. >> looks. >> perry. yeah well, i think you know that all things should should be on the table. and as i said earlier , you know, if you said earlier, you know, if you if you reduce public spending, you can cut taxes, which stimulates the stimulates growth in the economy. actually of economy. and actually a lot of people in receipt of people are in receipt of benefits in work anyway. people are in receipt of betheirs in work anyway. people are in receipt of betheir tax in work anyway. people are in receipt of betheir tax is1 work anyway. people are in receipt of betheir tax is reduced nyway. people are in receipt of betheir tax is reduced theny. people are in receipt of betheir tax is reduced then it if their tax is reduced then it will them. direct but will benefit them. direct but you know when you've got an average wage of just over 25 grand in the country , and a grand in the country, and a single parent can get £22,000 on benefits, what on earth is the incentive for, you know, for working for an additional £3,000 a year? but what i will say is, while . rishi is not doing while. rishi is not doing anything about these boats coming over and the mass illegal migration of migrants, economic migrants , wages are being pushed migrants, wages are being pushed down, it's making it completely uneconomic for anyone to actually be in work. so, you know, of course people are going to choose to be on the benefit system. but i do think that everything needs to be on the table. and i but i do with table. and i but i do agree with suzanne should be a net suzanne that it should be a net and certainly not a hammock.

>> yeah, i love that phrase. that's brilliant. suzanne. so what do you think stephen? what do you think then, stephen? i'm come you with i'm going to come to you with regard to labour party regard to the labour party because i'm sure what because i'm not sure what they're what they're saying about taxes. what are ? anything , are they saying? if anything, we're saying a huge amount about taxes. >> the first thing is the people at the top end of the tax system are enough are actually not paying enough tax. be perfectly honest, tax. to be perfectly honest, there people look the there are people look at the latest where the latest statement that where the tories actually talked tories have actually talked about the national about reducing the national insurance contributions from 12 to 10, that benefits people on over £50,000 a year. i mean , i over £50,000 a year. i mean, i think we need to actually look at this seriously. key at this seriously. but the key point, maybe all four of point, i think maybe all four of us agree on that there is us can agree on is that there is room cuts within the welfare room for cuts within the welfare budget system at the present time, it is not properly time, because it is not properly administered. there are many administered. there are too many people who and the government. this goes back years the this goes back years when the government wanted people government wanted to get people off get onto unemployment, and get them onto unemployment, get onto sickness, benefit . and get onto sickness, benefit. and it's simply wrong. we need to actually system actually make the system work. so an incentive to work . so it is an incentive to work. and as rishi sunak said, and may i agree with him here, he says

he said today, i believe in the nobility of work. so do i. so does labour. and let's face it , does labour. and let's face it, you know, we should be providing a safety net, as suzanne a safety net, not as in suzanne evans's famous words, a hammock. >> i love it, suzanne . they've >> i love it, suzanne. they've beenin >> i love it, suzanne. they've been in power for a long time. the wastage of money that we're talking about that you mentioned and has been happening for a long time. why do you think it's taken in so long to actually come to terms with it? well there's a bit of me that actually agrees with keir starmer on this that he's starmer on this and that he's now back to those old now going back to those old shock horror. >> stephen, uh, to those to those old, uh, twin ideas, tory ideas of cutting taxes and clamping down on benefit fraud because he's run out of ideas , because he's run out of ideas, which is what keir starmer says. >> and i think we're going to see this run up see more of this in the run up to the general election, which he going happen later he said is going to happen later this . this year. >> um, where i do disagree with stephen, though, is, you know, i'm , stephen, know i'm sorry, stephen, i don't know what that you what planet you're on that you think that taking 5% of our own what planet you're on that you

thinkearned king 5% of our own what planet you're on that you thinkearned money’; of our own what planet you're on that you thinkearned money isf our own what planet you're on that you thinkearned money is notr own what planet you're on that you thinkearned money is not paying hard earned money is not paying enough tax ? enough tax? >> um, and i think this is also part of the problem. you know, work has got to pay. and when you pay work has got to pay. and when you pay slip. i mean, you get your pay slip. i mean, not that i've ever been this fortunate position, but you see, 45% of it just going on. goodness you goodness only knows what you know. not a great know. that is not a great incentive get pay rise. incentive to get a pay rise. >> a great incentive to >> it's not a great incentive to promote yourself and to get a better job. really um, taxes should be as low as possible . should be as low as possible. >> and we all know the famous laffer principle the >> and we all know the famous laffertaxes principle the >> and we all know the famous laffer taxes are, ciple the >> and we all know the famous laffer taxes are, thee the >> and we all know the famous laffer taxes are, the more the lower taxes are, the more willing people are to pay them, and the more money the treasury gets in long run. gets in the long run. >> that's right. listen, >> well, that's right. listen, we're out of so we're running out of time. so i couldn't back to you. but couldn't come back to you. but you have been on a whole you have been on for a whole hour have. hour before i have. >> spoilt. >> i've been spoilt. >> i've been spoilt. >> so, listen, you >> yes. so, listen, thank you so much for your thoughts. lovely to evans, to talk to you. suzanne evans, political stephen political commentator stephen pound, mp and lois pound, former labour mp and lois perry, commentator. thank pound, former labour mp and lois perry, your commentator. thank pound, former labour mp and lois perry, your thoughts. ator. thank pound, former labour mp and lois perry, your thoughts. well, hank pound, former labour mp and lois perry, your thoughts. well, if|nk you for your thoughts. well, if you for your thoughts. well, if you join do you you just join me, what do you think? minutes 4:00. think? 32 minutes after 4:00. this gb news on tv, online this is gb news on tv, online and on on digital radio. coming up , it's time for the great up, it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, should rishi cut

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news app. you can check out all the programmes on the channel or you can even stream the shows live on youtube. i'm nana akua and we've got loads to do because time great because it's time for the great british hour. british debate this hour. and i'm should rishi sunak i'm asking should rishi sunak can't tax cuts can't benefits to fund tax cuts as we've been discussing, sunak said that wants to cut taxes said that he wants to cut taxes for people further this for working people further this yean for working people further this year, but by possibly cutting welfare payments to fund it. so what do you think is the onto something for the great british debate this hour? that's the question asking. do question i'm asking. what do you think? benefits to think? should he cut benefits to fund tax cuts? let's see what my panel make of that. i'm joined by a chair of republicans overseas, greg swensen, also overseas, greg swensen, and also broadcast from journalist danny kelly. greg, i'm going start kelly. greg, i'm going to start with kelly. greg, i'm going to start witiyeah , the answer is yes. and >> yeah, the answer is yes. and not only does it work, but it works for the people who are who are currently benefits. i are currently on benefits. i mean, benefits typically should be , and they're be temporary, and they're designed to be a safety net. and so i can point to the 1996 welfare reform in the united states, which was sponsored by bill clinton, a democrat ,

states, which was sponsored by bill clinton, a democrat, and also signed by joe biden , who's also signed by joe biden, who's now a complete socialist and has expanded the welfare state. and he's done his best to keep expanding welfare state. but expanding the welfare state. but it works for the 96 welfare reform worked . and so what reform worked. and so what you've seen in the last few years, especially with lockdowns, is an expansion in a greater expansion of welfare. food stamps are up 27. they were supposed to go up 15% on a temporary basis . supposed to go up 15% on a temporary basis. in supposed to go up 15% on a temporary basis . in 2020. and temporary basis. in 2020. and that turned into a permanent expansion , but at a much greater expansion, but at a much greater level. and of course , the food level. and of course, the food stamps in america. >> right, right. so yeah, so but we've had a similar thing happening country we've had a similar thing happeni haven't country we've had a similar thing happeni haven't ccwhere we've we've had a similar thing hapthei haven't ccwhere we've we've had a similar thing hapthei have banks cwhere we've we've had a similar thing hapthei have banks and;re we've we've had a similar thing hapthei havebanks and people.; got the food banks and people. and that's probably because we've got such a, you know, a lot of low income families has got um , rising cost of got high, um, rising cost of living crisis, which has been terrible. >> and there should be a safety net. absolutely net. i mean, that's absolutely should a function should it should be a function of, of government, but it shouldn't be some outrageous percentage people that are percentage of people that are not working. if you pay people not working. if you pay people not to work, many of them will not to work, many of them will not work. that's really and

that's not good for the economy ehhen that's not good for the economy either. so you cut benefits and you'll see economic growth. you'll growth and you'll you'll see job growth and you'll see benefits from . from see other benefits from. from that. and the only problem keep their money. >> the only the only problem with these benefits are with a lot of these benefits are they're benefits. so they're in—work benefits. so people and people are actually in work and then they're being paid to subsidise a low wage, which is really, silly. i really, it seems a bit silly. i don't know, don't know why. you know, the government don't encourage companies to actually pay a higher rate and force them do higher rate and force them to do that. know it could put some that. i know it could put some of them of , i don't know, of them out of, i don't know, some out business. some of them out of business. maybe but in encouraging maybe but also in encouraging more mindset. more sort of growth mindset. danny kelly, rishi sunak is recognising that he's overpaying too many people to not necessarily work or work as hard and go out and get work. >> um, and it's something that has always been an issue for, for, for taxpayers like all three of us. you know, i was listening to the radio driving in, there was a fiery debate between matthew , and between lois and matthew, and unfortunately, both unfortunately, they were both right, because we're unsure at the amount of people who do swing the lead. you know, there are listening to us and

are people listening to us and watching us on the telly, listening right listening to on the radio right now benefits because now who are on benefits because they genuinely need be on they genuinely need to be on benefits. yeah. and it's unfortunate that there's a lot of generalisation and stereotyping and people stereotyping here. and people will feel targeted that they should go to work when really they can't go to work. and it makes feel slightly makes me feel slightly uncomfortable because don't uncomfortable because i don't know people know the exact figure of people who are swinging lead . now, who are swinging the lead. now, if on to the dwp website, if you go on to the dwp website, there is a statistic that says three point something percent of benefit claimants are committing fraud. but but that's a bit of a red herring though isn't it? >> it's tiny percentage. >> it's tiny percentage. >> yeah but but also no, no that's herring that's a red herring because there are so many people who are committing there are so many people who are comiof:ting there are so many people who are comiof that 3.6. they're the part of that 3.6. they're the only people that have been busted for it. and what about the money? >> i would like to hear him say that some that he's going to get some of the the the 39 or what is it, the billions lost over billions that he lost over covid. want him covid. i want to hear him talking about are talking about that. why are a lot of these people who went into and don't lot of these people who went into i and don't lot of these people who went into i don't and don't lot of these people who went into idon't necessarily don't lot of these people who went into i don't necessarily thinkt think i don't necessarily think there's ridiculously there's anything ridiculously wrong with fast tracking people in can provide in who you know, can provide equipment, you trust. that's equipment, who you trust. that's how how business works.

how that's how business works. but i want to know about the people who did not pay the money back, people who got that money fraudulently. and there's billions and billions of pounds out so i want to hear him out there. so i want to hear him spending time and keir spending more time and keir starmer about recouping starmer talking about recouping losses people have losses from people who have taken money from us as a as a country fraudulently to fund themselves. why is he not talking about more of that as well ? well? >> he should be. and the other i think the comments earlier on the panel was that why wait so long? why have you waited three years to talk about about recouping some of that money or all of it, and also cutting taxes? i mean, it's rishi, it's bofis taxes? i mean, it's rishi, it's boris and rishi have elevated the tax burden on this country to the highest level in 70 years. and now in an election yean years. and now in an election year, he's talking about tax cuts.it year, he's talking about tax cuts. it just doesn't smell right. >> it doesn't smell right. >> it doesn't smell right. >> he should have been talking about it two years ago or five years ago. >> but it doesn't smell right. but starmer's plan but then keir starmer's plan stink. problem . stink. that's the problem. >> it's kind of what's worse

right. know that's right. you know and that's that's the shame is it'll be a lot worse under keir starmer. >> because why does he think he's going to get. he talked about jobs in about the green energy jobs in 38 billion he's going to 38 billion that he's going to get . then he decided get every year. then he decided it will be near the end his it will be near the end of his time. um, which the only reason he did that was because was he did that was because he was warned destroy warned it would destroy realise the quite the markets, which is quite a serious thing. so where are we, danny? you think, then? danny? what do you think, then? you know, i'm torn . you know, i'm torn. >> you're right, though, about an observation . nana. he said an observation. nana. he said he's implying that he's going to get says get re—elected. so he says he's going to do something just before election and then before the election and then just after the election. you know, i'm unsure where he gets know, i i'm unsure where he gets his confidence from. i like that optimism. i'm really unsure where he gets it from. but he has to look . he where he gets it from. but he has to look. he is the where he gets it from. but he has to look . he is the sitting has to look. he is the sitting prime so he has to prime minister, so he has to forecast of next november forecast ahead of next november or december of course he does. as far as covid nana you touched on those covid bounce back loans, i know people who were thrown of thousands of thrown tens of thousands of pounds just have it. here's ten grand. i can't remember what the numbers were. i know people who

were given five figure sums and they didn't go out looking for it. government it. it's like the government said, you that, you you said, okay, you do that, you you got you got okay, here's have ten grand or something like that . and they never to pay it . and they never had to pay it back. so unscrupulous back. it was so unscrupulous the way way way they did it, the way they even out money to people even handed out money to people who staying home. who were staying at home. >> know, some, >> but then, you know, some, some then there were some people and then there were people who got nothing and the people who got nothing and the people nothing people who got nothing were usually entrepreneurs people who got nothing were usu hard entrepreneurs people who got nothing were usu hard entre ofeneurs people who got nothing were usu hard entre of this,; people who got nothing were usu hard entre of this, this the hard workers of this, this country , the small the country, the small business, the people country people who keep this country going. backwards . and going. it was so backwards. and now he's talking about reducing benefits , i think, or benefits, i think, to myself, or cutting welfare and actually cutting the welfare and actually , suzanne alluded to the fact that he's talked about reducing the service that , to the civil service and that, to me is another place where he should immediately on should be immediately on immediately before anything. >> so much waste, so much waste that can be saved. that can be that can be saved. yeah >> e- e.- e let's the show is >> well, let's see, the show is nothing and your nothing without you and your views. welcome our great views. let's welcome our great british to the opportunity to be on the show and think and tell us what they think about we're about the topics we're discussing. uh, let's go live to john should we go? john reid. where should we go? kidderminster. the home of carpets. the home of rugs. carpets. me the home of rugs. uh, john reid in kidderminster.

john are you there ? is. hello? john are you there? is. hello? he's in the darkness. john what's wrong with the lights? out where you are ? out where you are? >> you know, producer told >> you know, your producer told me to turn the lights down so you better. you can see my face better. >> actually, was >> well, we can actually, it was very clear. very clear indeed. we opposite we have the opposite effect here. john, what do you here. but john, what do you think then? um, with regard to that, is rishi sunak right? should cutting benefits that, is rishi sunak right? sh0|looking cutting benefits that, is rishi sunak right? sh0|looking into :ting benefits that, is rishi sunak right? sh0|looking into ang benefits that, is rishi sunak right? sh0|looking into a welfare fits that, is rishi sunak right? sh0|looking into a welfare ?s that, is rishi sunak right? sh0|looking into a welfare ? even and looking into a welfare? even so, there's quite a few things in that envelope. and then looking in my looking to cut taxes is in my world, nana he should join equity. >> he's one of the greatest magicians i've ever seen. >> he . >> he. >> he. >> it's smoke and mirrors with rishi. >> isn't it? and it'll be happy new year for me when he goes so the sooner we get an election, the sooner we get an election, the better . the better. >> i think the guy you've got on there, the republican fella i could not disagree more with what he says. >> uh, for danny , i'm with him >> uh, for danny, i'm with him 100. i think danny is on the money this week. i think that he should not cut benefits . what should not cut benefits. what they should do is cut fraud and benefit claimants . and that benefit claimants. and that

would be money well spent, i think. but people that genuinely need benefits to stay alive, feed the children, whatever it might be, they should still receive those benefits because we're a caring society. we're not some tinpot little company out there that's got no money. if we didn't have any money, we wouldn't waste all this money on ppe and all the rest, would we? so i he really. yeah. but there you go. that's my view. anyway. happy new year to you. >> new year. lovely to see >> happy new year. lovely to see you john. that's john ba.2 is our british voice. our great british voice. what a great there in great voice he is. he's there in kidderminster. this gb kidderminster. sir. this is gb news. that's what he thinks. what gb news? what do you think, gb news? we're and on we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. up, my digital radio. coming up, my outside will join outside guest will join me in the studio . uh, now, let me give the studio. uh, now, let me give you some more clues . uh, well, you some more clues. uh, well, um, do you think he is? i've um, who do you think he is? i've got some good news. not long to find was once find out. he was once a gladiator . find out. he was once a gladiator. yes. an x for katie price. um that doesn't. does that narrow it? not really. all right, well, let me know. gb views gb news. com. but first, let's get your weather. >> it's got so many a brighter

outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello. i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office. we'll see plenty of fine settled weather uk over the weather across the uk over the next few days. plenty of sunny spells, , frost some spells, fog, frost and some icy patches during the patches though during the overnight period 2 overnight period and 1 or 2 wintry two high wintry showers. two high pressure sitting pressure is dominating. sitting just towards north—west just towards the north—west of the us the generally the uk, giving us the generally fine conditions. although notice fairly tightly packed isobars towards south. so bit a towards the south. so a bit of a breeze coming the breeze coming in from the east or direction as or north easterly direction as we head into the evening and dunng we head into the evening and during overnight period, during the overnight period, showers across the north of england will work their way westwards areas westwards into irish sea areas and also a few showers developing the developing down towards the south—east to south—east of england. need to keep on as head keep an eye on those as we head into hour monday into rush hour on monday morning. could give a bit of snow especially snow in places, especially on the few icy the north downs and a few icy patches in places too. elsewhere though, a of frost and though, it's a case of frost and some patches forming by some fog patches forming by monday morning . as for monday monday morning. as for monday itself, of a tricky itself, well, a bit of a tricky start towards the southeast.

there showers there some wintry showers in places, patches in places places, icy patches in places here , fog and frost here to elsewhere, fog and frost gradually lifting plenty of sunshine away that sunshine away from that southeast . although the southeast corner. although the showers southeast southeast corner. although the shov start southeast southeast corner. although the shov start to southeast southeast corner. although the shov start to migrate outheast southeast corner. although the shov start to migrate their ast southeast corner. although the shov start to migrate their way will start to migrate their way westwards across southern england, eventually reaching the far as we far southwest of the uk. as we head into latter stages of head into the latter stages of the another the day on monday, another pretty chilly day for the time of year factor in the of year and factor in the eastern breeze, eastern north easterly breeze, and feel colder still and it will feel colder still out about . tuesday, though, out and about. tuesday, though, promises after a frosty, locally sunshine after a frosty, locally foggy , but it will stay foggy start, but it will stay quite chilly for the time of year. quite chilly for the time of year . temperatures low to mid, year. temperatures low to mid, single most single figures at best in most places, head through places, and as we head through the week more the the rest of the week more in the way cloud to filter way of cloud starting to filter down from the north, so turning cloudier from the north as we go through week. through the week. >> things are heating >> looks like things are heating up as sponsors of up boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on . gb news. so this is weather on. gb news. so this is gb news live on tv, online and on digital radio. >> coming up. we've got so much to do in the next hour. my great british debate. i'm asking , are british debate. i'm asking, are any starmer's plans any of keir starmer's plans

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travel over to the united states and have a chat with the host of the politics people podcast. and have a chat with the host of the fduddridge ple podcast. and have a chat with the host of the fduddridge ,.e podcast. and have a chat with the host of the fduddridge , andydcast. and have a chat with the host of the fduddridge , and findt. and have a chat with the host of the fduddridge , and find out paul duddridge, and find out what's on in the world of what's going on in the world of donald trump . so paul duddridge, donald trump. so paul duddridge, thanks. good to see you. now, trump , what's happening with trump, what's happening with him? calling for the him? he's calling for the release january the sixth release of january the sixth hostages. what's that about . hostages. what's that about. >> he was , uh, on the stump >> he was, uh, on the stump yesterday making speeches in iowa for the caucuses that are coming up on the 15th of january. >> that's a really significant date. 15th january iowa caucus . date. 15th january iowa caucus. he called on joe biden to release the called them everybody imprisoned after january the 6th. >> after the riot , not an >> after the riot, not an insurrection, but a riot . insurrection, but a riot. >> he called for them to be released . he called them released. he called them hostages . hostages. >> now, i i'm i'm trump till the end. >> the problem that i think he might have by using such language is, you know, this 14th amendment that everybody is telling you about, amendment that everybody is telling you about , that that

telling you about, that that could keep trump off the ballot. it's either engaging in an insurrection or offering comfort to those who engage in an insurrection . and it looks like insurrection. and it looks like now we're going to go to the supreme court on february the 8th. uh, trump's appeal against the, uh, being kept off the colorado ballot is being heard from february the 8th. it's possible . it's possible that any possible. it's possible that any legal eagles on the left could suggest that trump calling for the release of hostages, calling them hostages in inferring that they're political prisoners, etc. could extend to them being treated as , uh, that that being treated as, uh, that that being treated as, uh, that that being treated as, uh, that that being treated as comfort to those people because, you know, there's a lot of ill will towards trump and the establishment, and they will find dot or tittle to be find any dot or tittle to be able to, uh , try and destroy his able to, uh, try and destroy his chancesin able to, uh, try and destroy his chances in 2024. >> so all this not being on >> so all this not being put on the ballot , are >> so all this not being put on the ballot, are any of them being successful ? well yes. being successful? well yes. >> well, technically they they all not all of them okay. but they're being paused to colorado, which made the news has now been paused. so he's

technically on the colorado ballot, but that's paused whilst it's being appealed. so it's a mixed bag. there's like i think illinois this week. uh, massachusetts this week. the voters are signing petitions to keep him off that ballot. so there is an active campaign on to use state law to keep him off individual state ballots. that's what's actively happening. what trump would what trump would hopeis trump would what trump would hope is that after february the 8th, after the hearings from the supreme court, that should put an any of that kind of an end to any of that kind of activity. however for trump there, it's been reported that trump is nervous that the supreme court, three of whose members he's appointed , are members he's appointed, are going to actually turn on him and not support his appeal . so and not support his appeal. so that's why i'm really a bit of a nervous nellie about him using language, calling the january the sixth rioters hostages because if they can find any excuse to legally keep you off the ballot, they will. so like i said, it's not, uh, there's no

quote from trump that he's worried about the supreme court, but it has been reported by credible journalists that he's worried the supreme court worried that the supreme court is going to turn on him well. is going to turn on him as well. >> trump was >> and very briefly, trump was on the list, wasn't he, for epstein on that document that came what was what you came out, what was what you know, this gives you an idea of how badly he he is viewed by the by american journalists. >> okay. so yes , he was on the >> okay. so yes, he was on the list and he was exonerated . and list and he was exonerated. and then a publication who i won't even said, oh, we fact even name said, oh, we fact checked this. this is a lie. he wasn't exonerated. and the reason being is like, if you're not accused of a crime, you can't be exonerated. they will find any any weasel words to. yeah. so yes, he was on he was on the list completely exonerated. completely. so far. anyway. touch wood. he's not been, uh, he's not been implicated in any of the heinous, uh, kind of accusations that have been made against very, uh, famous establishment figures . figures. >> thank you so much. that's paul duddridge, host the paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast. good to

talk now , should we talk to you. but now, should we fly and speak to fly over to russia and speak to russian journalist alexei var? so, welcome on board. so, alexei, welcome on board. now, today, russia celebrates orthodox christmas . tell us more orthodox christmas. tell us more about the holiday and the traditions . traditions. >> hello, nana. good to see you again. good to see you. exactly two weeks after the rest of the world had celebrated the birth of jesus christ, russia and the rest of the orthodox world celebrate its own christmas and well, christmas is a very peculiar holiday in russia, as in russia, christian and pagan traditions have intertwined because, well , when russian, because, well, when russian, when kievan rus was baptised in 988, slavic tribes had already adopted strong pagan traditions. >> so today it is a tradition in russia , still on the christmas russia, still on the christmas eve, to tell fortunes and do witchcraft , as russians believe witchcraft, as russians believe evil spirits , they all fly away evil spirits, they all fly away from the earth and well, in russia, uh, christmas is considered a family holiday. it is not as widely, as widely

celebrated as the new year. and actually in the context of russia's military effort in ukraine, most new year celebration and christmas celebrations have been cancelled and still it's very cold and russians , most, most russians russians, most, most russians actually go to the all night, uh, church service and celebrate christmas with their families . christmas with their families. the president of russia , the president of russia, vladimir putin, who usually goes to church, did not go to church today , but instead decided to today, but instead decided to celebrate christmas with families of the russian soldiers who are fighting on the front lines in ukraine, once again emphasising how important is this military effort for russia ? this military effort for russia? >> well, we'll and >> well, listen, we'll try and get update on all of that and get an update on all of that and the military efforts. we'll the military efforts. so we'll contact and speak to you contact you and speak to you maybe next week about that . but maybe next week about that. but we're running out of time. so thank so much, aleksey. we're running out of time. so thank goodo much, aleksey. we're running out of time. so thank good t01uch, aleksey. we're running out of time. so thank good to talk aleksey. we're running out of time. so thank good to talk alyou.y. really good to talk to you. that's alexei v, he's there. thank a one. >> have a good one. >> have a good one. >> you too. he's there in moscow, right. well, this is gb news online and on news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, my outside now, give outside guests. now, let me give you some more clues. the you some more clues. in the 1990s,

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your latest news headlines. >> nana. thank you. good afternoon. i'm sam francis in the gb newsroom. the headlines just after five. well, we're being warned that snow is on the way as an amber cold health alert has been issued across parts england, the met office parts of england, the met office has also issued a yellow weather warning from 4:00 tomorrow morning, with the snow and ice likely to affect roads and train services in parts of greater london, kent, surrey, east sussex and in west sussex. two meanwhile, more than 170 flood warnings are still in place across england and over 1800 properties have been damaged by the flood waters. the prime minister has today been speaking with some of the residents affected in oxford. he claims they were at pains to say the environment agencies response to flooding had been great. rishi sunak also met environment agency workers at their depot on osney island to see firsthand their battles with the rising

river levels. the prime minister says the government's flood defences are working . defences are working. >> there have been many people affected by what's happened over the past week, but also 49,000 homes have been protected from flooding as a result of that investment , and also flooding as a result of that investment, and also things like the pumps that i've been seeing here today and the flood barriers just in the community. i've been walking around, hundreds of homes have been protected of those protected because of those investments . but of course, this investments. but of course, this is devastating for is going to be devastating for those which those who are impacted, which is why financial support in why there's financial support in place. overall, the place. but overall, the investment that's going into place. but overall, the investdefencest's going into place. but overall, the investdefencest'satying into place. but overall, the investdefencest's at a g into place. but overall, the investdefencest's at a very,) flood defences is at a very, very high level. >> well , in very high level. >> well, in other very high level. >> well , in other news, the >> well, in other news, the conservatives have apparently chosen the partner of disgraced former mp peter bone to replace him. according to the party chair, richard holden, helen harrison was selected as the new candidate for wellingborough at a meeting members this a meeting of members this afternoon in a by—election is being there after mr bone being held there after mr bone was to indeed exposed was found to have indeed exposed himself a staff member and himself to a staff member and then trapped them in the bathroom of a hotel room, he has denied those allegations .

denied those allegations. meanwhile, rishi sunak has denied having hesitations about the government's rwanda scheme dunng the government's rwanda scheme during his time as chancellor. the bbc claims to have seen documents where rishi sunak expressed scepticism about the plan. the prime minister said it was his job, though, to ask probing questions about every policy that came across his desk . shadow education secretary bridget phillipson says the plan, though, won't work. >> it's far from clear whether the plan will have sent anyone to rwanda because , you know, to rwanda because, you know, we've sent more home secretaries to rwanda than we have asylum seekers. and even if the even if rwanda were to be an effective intervention, well, even if it were effective, you're were to be effective, you're talking between 100 to 200 talking about between 100 to 200 asylum seekers. it's1% talking about between 100 to 200 asylum seekers. it's 1% of the backlog of claims that we're facing at the moment. it's facing at the moment. so it's just answer . it's just not the answer. it's a gimmick. we need have gimmick. what we need to have is a labour a serious plan. as labour are set out around tackling those cases that huge backlog of cases and ending the use of inappropriate accommodation, such as hotels . such as hotels. >> well, today is the fifth day

of the longest nhs strike in history. as junior doctors hold their ground over pay and conditions, hospitals , though, conditions, hospitals, though, are concerned with patient safety and they're pleading for an end to the industrial action, with several nhs trusts declaring critical incidents as a result of the walkouts. talks between the government and the bma have broken down last month, with the union claiming its members pay has been cut by more than a quarter since 2008. former medical director and chief medical officer of bupa, doctor andrew vallance—owen , doctor andrew vallance—owen, says it's time for negotiations is what they are doing is demonstrating how important they are to the nhs. >> but because we can see the chaos which is resulting from their from their action. but i think that their leaders, you know, should be thinking now , know, should be thinking now, now before they completely lose pubuc now before they completely lose public support. at the moment they have still got it. um, according to opinion polls. um, now is the time to say, okay, we

will negotiate . will negotiate. >> the uk is set to invest £300 million in fuel to power the next generation of nuclear reactors . the funding will reactors. the funding will support domestic production of uranium fuel required by most reactors and currently only commercially produced by russia . commercially produced by russia. the government hopes the programme will allow the uk to supply reactor fuel to the rest of the world, and therefore help to moscow . and to further isolate moscow. and investigators are hunting for a part of the fuselage that blew off in alaskan airlines plane yesterday . off in alaskan airlines plane yesterday. mid—air. dozens of planes have been grounded in america after the plane made an emergency landing when a hole appeared where a window had previously been, 177 people were on board that flight, but luckily no one was hurt. the us airlines regulator has ordered inspections of 171 boeing 737 max nine jets. investigators . max nine jets. investigators. believe the piece of the plane is somewhere near portland in oregon, and they're asking anyone to please anyone who finds it to please contact police . this is gb

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an extremely interesting career to take a look at. life after the job. we talk highs and lows and lessons learnt what and lessons learnt and what comes outside? well . comes next on the outside? well. my comes next on the outside? well. my guest rose to fame in the 1990s as ace on the hit show gladiators and was one at one time engaged to katie price . time engaged to katie price. however, he's about to embark on a very new path . uh, he's about a very new path. uh, he's about to be ordained as a church of england vicar alongside his wife, who is also giving up her career as an air hostess to become a vicar. so who do you think he is? i'm joined think he is? well, i'm joined now by actor and television . now by actor and television. star nick. and remember, of course, the gladiator utters, sorry about that. it's too much to do. legendary roman firman and of course, his wife dionne ding. oh that's not how it was supposed to go in practice . oh supposed to go in practice. oh never mind. i think it was good. it was good. >> it was impressive. >> it was impressive. >> thank you very much. there was a lot to do. got things was a lot to do. i've got things to things to look at. was a lot to do. i've got things to warren things to look at. was a lot to do. i've got things to warren lnliof; to look at. was a lot to do. i've got things to warren lnliof course,( at. but warren and of course, dionne, thank you so much for coming in. >> pleasure. >> it's our pleasure. >> it's our pleasure. >> as used to say, as awooga,

>> as we used to say, as awooga, i don't really that i don't know really what that means, what either. means, what it means either. >> sure can make >> i'm not sure we can make something part of the >> yeah, that was part of the gladiators , though. used to gladiators, though. i used to love gladiators. the love gladiators. i love the one where like, giant where you had, like, the giant cotton yes. knocking cotton buds. yes. knocking off his . yeah. his mushrooms. yeah. >> that was. >> that was. >> wasn't mushrooms and >> we wasn't on mushrooms and they buds. they weren't cotton buds. >> . >> that was. >> that was. >> somebody was on mushrooms coming that it was called the >> i like that it was called the duel and they were actually pugil sticks. >> really ? >> oh, really? >> oh, really? >> and i had to laugh yesterday when read the has when i read that the ace has swapped pugil stick the swapped his pugil stick for the for pull pit, which was for the, um, pull pit, which was interesting . interesting. >> so you talk to me about it, how you came to be on gladiators .look how you came to be on gladiators . look at you there. look at those guns. if you're watching on tv, you can see. but look at that. that's a whole and that. that's a whole person and it's it's all gone now . >> it's all gone south now. well, age is caught yeah, well, age is caught up. yeah, it's up . it's caught up. >> you? it's caught up. >> i'm you? it's caught up. >> i'm now. you? it's caught up. >> 51? now. you? it's caught up. >> 51? yesiow. you? >> 51? yes >> 51? yes >> that was, that would have been. would have been when been. i would have been 23 when that, photo was taken. that, when that photo was taken. >> you're a youngster. that, when that photo was taken. >> yes you're a youngster. that, when that photo was taken. >> yes .'ou're a youngster. >> yes. >> yes. >> yeah i was, i wasn't the youngest. the youngest on the show. think it show. the youngest i think it was, uh, hunter. was it. yeah he was, uh, hunter. was it. yeah he was than me, was a year younger than me, so he has. he that title.

he has. he holds that title. >> seeing wolf in my >> oh, i'm seeing wolf in my head with head there. he's the one with the. oldest. he was the. he was the oldest. he was the. he was the oldest. he was the the with the the one. the one with the baddest. now. baddest. he's 70 now. >> yes. yes. »- >> yes. yes. >> still. >> still. >> fit as a fiddle. >> still fit as a fiddle. >> still fit as a fiddle. >> well, it's good >> yeah. well, it's a good thing. think thing. i absolutely think fitness staying fitness is key. i love staying fit. could see that. thank fit. i could see that. thank you, you. talk me you, thank you. so talk to me about to about how you got on to gladiators to begin with. >> what keeping fit. >> but i was into bodybuilding, and, was back in the 80s and, uh, it was back in the 80s when muscles ruled the world. so i was like, i wanted to be like arnold schwarzenegger. so i'd go to every and i would to the gym every day and i would pump i thought, pump iron. and i thought, this is living ever is my route to living happy ever after. like arnold after. i want to be like arnold schwarzenegger. the schwarzenegger. he was the highest star highest paid movie star in history, was lifting them history, so i was lifting them weights just thought, this weights and i just thought, this is my going to catapult is my this is going to catapult me superstardom. of me into superstardom. and of course, that the stepping stone to was the gladiators. >> could you touch your shoulder ? were you able to a lot of these people with all these muscles can't touch muscles can't actually touch their what muscles can't actually touch theiii what muscles can't actually touch theiii bound. what muscles can't actually touch theiii bound. �*we.t muscles can't actually touch theiii bound. �*we. so was i muscle bound. yeah. we. so no, the games no, actually because the games were know, had to be were you know, you had to be quite for the games. quite athletic for the games. >> have >> we had to have a good balance. we made sure we

balance. so we made sure we didn't get muscle bound. balance. so we made sure we didwe get muscle bound. balance. so we made sure we didwe did muscle bound. balance. so we made sure we didwe did lots muscle bound. balance. so we made sure we didwe did lots stretching)und. balance. so we made sure we didwe did lots stretching ,jnd. so we did lots of stretching, lots massage those lots of massage and those things. actually your things. and actually your muscles bigger and stronger muscles grow bigger and stronger if you stretch them as you would know. um you don't want to be muscle bound. that's not good. >> no, very good. >> no, no, that's very good. i see lot of it in the gym, see a lot of it in the gym, actually. all these blokes, uh, and ashtanga actually. all these blokes, uh, and ups ashtanga actually. all these blokes, uh, and ups . ashtanga actually. all these blokes, uh, and ups . they ashtanga actually. all these blokes, uh, and ups . they can't ashtanga actually. all these blokes, uh, and ups . they can't do ashtanga actually. all these blokes, uh, and ups . they can't do it.1tanga press ups. they can't do it. what are they? oh, what? like it's up where it's like a yogi press up where you down, then you put your arms down, and then you come back, and then you do the. back a cobra the. you come back in a cobra with backbend and your. with your backbend and your. wow. do that, see, the wow. so you do that, see, the sport of the moved on sport of the sport is moved on so since then i this is you may >> since then i this is you may as well be speaking a different language to now. language to me now. >> yeah. so >> yoga yoga's great. yeah. so you gladiators . that was you did gladiators. that was that big ole in that was a big ole show in the time. what was best thing time. what was the best thing about time. what was the best thing abo it was incredible. the first >> it was incredible. the first reality tv show, or reality tv show, just 4 or 5 channels on the that had reality tv show, just 4 or 5 chathe ls on the that had reality tv show, just 4 or 5 chathe money,e that had reality tv show, just 4 or 5 chathe money, so that had reality tv show, just 4 or 5 chathe money, so there it had reality tv show, just 4 or 5 chathe money, so there it no ad all the money, so there was no budget. budget blown . budget. the budget was blown. you know, 16 million regular viewers. you know, viewers. and for me, you know, just some lad the street just some lad off the street suddenly being catapulted into superstardom . it was incredible. superstardom. it was incredible. in national indoor arena in in the national indoor arena in front people, live , i front of 10,000 people, live, i thought that i had died and gone

to heaven. >> you bad ? no, no. i >> nana were you bad? no, no. i was a goody, well—behaved . was a goody, well—behaved. >> i was a goody wolf. was the baddie, it worked very well baddie, and it worked very well for lot of money for him. he made a lot of money out being bad. everyone out of that being bad. everyone wanted wolf, out of that being bad. everyone wani;d wolf, out of that being bad. everyone wani tried wolf, out of that being bad. everyone wani tried to wolf, out of that being bad. everyone wani tried to be wolf, out of that being bad. everyone wani tried to be the wolf, out of that being bad. everyone wani tried to be the nice wolf, out of that being bad. everyone wani tried to be the nice guy.»lf, but i tried to be the nice guy. yeah, nice. was yeah, you were nice. so i was smiling. turns that smiling. but it turns out that was mistake because they were smiling. but it turns out that was we istake because they were smiling. but it turns out that was we don't because they were smiling. but it turns out that was we don't like ause they were smiling. but it turns out that was we don't like ause he's were like, we don't like ace. he's not really? not a gladiator. no, no, really? because he's too nice. yeah, they don't want being nice. because he's too nice. yeah, they want want being nice. because he's too nice. yeah, they want want bashing nice. because he's too nice. yeah, they want want bash people;. because he's too nice. yeah, they want want bash people up. they want you to bash people up. that's you most of your >> did you win most of your duels, though? >> um, yes. i was quite a successful gladiator. i was pretty good games. pretty good at the games. um, i definitely won more than i lost. in fact, i must have had at least 70% wins. because you least 70% wins. because if you didn't, the sack . they didn't, you got the sack. they didn't, you got the sack. they didn't so didn't renew your contract. so it was like a footballer not not scoring goals. >> it good, is it? now, >> it was not good, is it? now, obviously dion's with we'll obviously dion's with us. we'll come minute. but you come to you in a minute. but you also with katie price. also went out with katie price. yes yes. >> em- e that, dear? did >> did you know that, dear? did you i knew that. you i think i knew that. >> you not. no you didn't. >> did you not. no you didn't. no. today. no. you just found out today. >> exclusive. no. you just found out today. >> no, usive. no. you just found out today. >> no, isive. no. you just found out today. >> no, i definitely you. >> no, i definitely you. >> that. yeah when >> everyone knew that. yeah when did out with katie price? did you go out with katie price? >> was when i was >> um, when i was on, when i was on yeah. i on the gladiators. yeah. yeah, i met um , in a pantomime

met her in, um, in a pantomime and we started today, and we were very similar, actually, both from a working class background and, both background and, um, both trying to of that working to break out of that working class because , you know, i was class because, you know, i was doing a job i didn't like roofing, and was like, can't roofing, and i was like, i can't carry on this forever. carry on doing this forever. this and this is no blessing. and work supposed blessing . um, supposed to be a blessing. um, so the tv show was so getting on the tv show was great for me. and of course, she was. living great for me. and of course, she was. glamour living great for me. and of course, she was. glamour modelling..iving great for me. and of course, she was. glamour modelling..ivinyyou doing glamour modelling. but you said very to her. >> oh, no , i didn't realise that >> oh, no, i didn't realise that at time. horrible at the time. horrible >> looking for >> well, i was looking for revenge. for tat were revenge. it was for tat we were selling what you selling to her. what did you do? we were selling stories on each other. oh, no. >> no. yes. cheap. >> no. yes. cheap. >> yeah , we >> well, yeah, but we was playing the game show playing the game of show business and we were to business and we were trying to make that make money. and i knew that show wouldn't was wouldn't last forever. so i was like, know, you're like, okay, you know, you're selling stories. i'm selling stories make as much stories we want to make as much money the show money as we can before the show ends we were ends. so as far as we were concerned , we were both concerned, we were both fair game. but i didn't realise that it really moral . you it wasn't really moral. you know, i wasn't. i wasn't a christian so just christian then. so i just thought, this is thought, well, okay, this is justice. she story on me. justice. she sold a story on me. i sell one on her. >> so when did you guys meet each other? d when did you meet

>> so when did you guys meet each so er? d when did you meet >> so when did you guys meet each so we d when did you meet >> so when did you guys meet each so we met,en did you meet >> so when did you guys meet each so we met, um, d you meet >> so when did you guys meet each so we met, um, lateu meet >> so when did you guys meet each so we met, um, late 2000. >> so when did you guys meet eaci so we met, um, late 2000. >> so when did you guys meet eaci so wyyou;t, um, late 2000. >> so when did you guys meet eaci so wyyou musti, late 2000. >> so when did you guys meet eaci so wyyou must meet 2000. >> so when did you guys meet eaci so wyyou must meet all)0. >> i think you must meet all your girls in pantomime because your girls in pantomime because you doing pantomime when you were doing pantomime when i met well. met you as well. >> pantomime then . >> life's a pantomime then. >> life's a pantomime then. >> yeah, we. warren was >> and yeah, we. warren was doing pantomime in york and that's where i was living at the time. from. and that's where i was living at the time. where from. and that's where i was living at the time. where we from. and that's where i was living at the time. where we met. from. and that's where we met. >> so. >> so. >> so. >> so how did you meet? were you doing pantomime or, you doing pantomime there or, you know, pantomime or. know, watching pantomime or. >> introduced >> we were just introduced mutual friend and kind of mutual friend and we kind of clicked away, we? >> we just. >> we just. >> i fell in love >> yeah, i fell in love with you is what happened. >> yeah, i fell in love with you is vare. happened. >> yeah, i fell in love with you is th . happened. >> yeah, i fell in love with you is th . happ> oh that's nice. >> oh that's nice. >> that's happened with >> that's what happened with him. well . him. you did as well. >> i'm scared of you. you look very cynical. >> i am no , i mean, i'm not >> i am no, i mean, i'm not bitter or cynical about love. >> i'm a single. no, i like being single. i've got to be honest. it's great. yeah, i'm not a cynic. i think it's lovely when it's when i see love, i think it's wonderful. most people i see wonderful. but most people i see who are with other , the who are with each other, the other goes, there they go. other one goes, there they go. they about the other one goes, there they go. they one about the other one goes, there they go. they one and about the other one goes, there they go. they one and you'reabout the other one goes, there they go. they one and you're like, the other one and you're like, why are you together? so are you even together? yeah. so it's nice to two people in it's nice to see two people in love. yeah yeah, yeah, think love. yeah yeah, yeah, i think i think lots of people are chalk and cheese, actually. think lots of people are chalk ancyeah.se, actually. think lots of people are chalk

ancyeah. is, actually. think lots of people are chalk ancyeah. i think,ally. think lots of people are chalk ancyeah. i think, ily. think lots of people are chalk ancyeah. i think, i think the >> yeah. i think, i think the trick to real is trick to real love is forgiveness. he has to forgiveness. and he has to forgiveness. and he has to forgive me all of the time . forgive me all of the time. >> see, that's good. that's >> see, that's very good. that's very good. got well very good. you got him well trained. who. yeah. you trained. he knows who. yeah. you know. yes. very good. yeah. know. yes. it's very good. yeah. well seems like a very good well she seems like a very good woman, you've landed woman, actually. you've landed on . on your feet. >> absolutely. blessed >> absolutely. i've been blessed immensely . she. god been immensely. she. god has been good immensely. she. god has been gooso now you've gone all god >> so now you've gone all god like of people might like a lot of people might think, oh, god, but, i mean, they might do. they might do. a lot of people oh god, not lot of people think, oh god, not all bothering. most of lot of people think, oh god, not all wars bothering. most of lot of people think, oh god, not all wars started|g. most of lot of people think, oh god, not all wars started by most of lot of people think, oh god, not all wars started by religion the wars are started by religion . some people them. . it's how some people see them. but philosophy. . it's how some people see them. but i philosophy. . it's how some people see them. but i think.osophy. is theology, i think religion is fascinating. if you truly believe in what you're doing and what you're doing is good, how did come to find yourself did you come to find yourself becoming yeah , becoming religious? yeah, yeah, well, i'm well, actually, i'm not religious . religious. >> well, you're not religious. no, i'm not religious. but what are still not are you, a priest? i'm still not religious. . so, you know, religious. um, so. so, you know, i there's difference i think there's a difference between reality. between religion and reality. actually, you know, i encountered the person of jesus christ . and so i've got god christ. and so i've got god above me , jesus beside me, the above me, jesus beside me, the holy spirit living in me. so that's like that's not, you know, like religious advice, trying earn religious advice, trying to earn your is

your way to god. this is a reality god. so it's reality of knowing god. so it's something different to something very different to religion. think religion gives religion. i think religion gives advice to sort of earn advice on how to sort of earn your to god. your way to god. >> do you think? yeah for most your way to god. >> do it's think? yeah for most your way to god. >> do it's lneik? yeah for most your way to god. >> do it's the sameah for most your way to god. >> do it's the same thing.�*nost people it's the same thing. >> you've >> yeah, but i think you've got to examine evidence the to examine the evidence of the person christ see person of jesus christ to see that isn't. think that it isn't. and i think this is good of gospel. is the good news of the gospel. and why it's so good news, because of are because lots of people are religious, their religious, trying to earn their self legalistically self to god. and legalistically try and, know, be good try and, you know, be be good people. this is why jesus is people. but this is why jesus is such good news, because god's made a way back to him by sending 2020 years ago, sending his son. 2020 years ago, in the middle of roman in the middle of the roman gladiator times to say, look, the fulfilled . this the law is fulfilled. this is the law is fulfilled. this is the uh , fulfilling the the end of, uh, fulfilling the time and actually , there's time now. and actually, there's a new covenant to forgive . a new covenant we're to forgive. that's what we're to be. that's what we're meant to be. >> you find god? >> when did you find god? because you know. or god find you yeah. you wherever. yeah. >> even i'd lost >> i didn't even know i'd lost him when heard the gospel, him when i heard the gospel, somebody you're somebody said to me, you're separated god sin. separated from god by your sin. so it an interesting so it was it was an interesting message because so it was it was an interesting messagwould because so it was it was an interesting messagwould say because so it was it was an interesting messagwould say , because so it was it was an interesting messagwould say , uh, because so it was it was an interesting messagwould say , uh, haveuse so it was it was an interesting messagwould say , uh, have you people would say, uh, have you heard gospel? i'd say, heard the gospel? i'd say, what's and they say, heard the gospel? i'd say, what'the and they say, heard the gospel? i'd say, what'the good and they say, heard the gospel? i'd say, what'the good newsind they say, heard the gospel? i'd say, what'the good newsindjesus say, well, the good news of jesus said, good news said, that might be good news for you. it's not good news for me. macho jesus

me. i was a macho man. jesus died cross , but i didn't died on the cross, but i didn't know the of the story. he's know the rest of the story. he's not deaf, he's life. and actually, like give actually, it's like if i give you lottery ticket , it's good you a lottery ticket, it's good news. if you go, oh, i've won £1 million, but no if you million, but it's no good if you don't it in. don't go and cash it in. >> how it bit >> and that's how it bit annoyed, gave annoyed, though. if you gave me that, might change your that, you might change your religious credentials. then say, hand mine. no. hand it back. that's mine. no. >> something. >> there's something. well, this is what i learned in showbusiness. i found there's something than something much more than than money and chasing fame and these sorts of things that satisfies and brings peace and and bring it brings a peace and and bring it brings a peace and a and money or a joy. and that money or fame or fiches a joy. and that money or fame or riches never could. and so for me, that was really liberating. >> but did you feel, though, at that time, you failed , that time, that you had failed, though, sometimes though, because sometimes people turn they feel turn to religion when they feel well? well, i wanted do that. turn to religion when they feel vihaven'tll, i wanted do that. turn to religion when they feel vihaven't reachedted do that. turn to religion when they feel vihaven't reached that. do that. turn to religion when they feel vihaven't reached that. so that. i haven't reached that. so this is next best was that is the next best thing. was that how know what was it that how you know what was it that made you? >> i hear about crisis >> no, no, i hear about crisis conversions and i think, you know, works know, i can see god works through sometimes through them because sometimes we of we have to come to the end of ourselves when on ourselves. and when i was on gladiators, i so of gladiators, i was so full of myself hungry for god. myself i wasn't hungry for god. but the reality is , i had a lot but the reality is, i had a lot of experience at a young age. i travelled world. i met travelled the world. i met beautiful including my

beautiful women, including my and the best beautiful women of god's. wife , the most god's. my wife, the most beautiful. exactly. i had all these experiences , these incredible experiences, but i learned that happiness is temporary. and i started to i learned that we were telling people we're born for a purpose. and i was like, well, what is our purpose? you know what are we really doing here? otherwise, life's . if we're life's just a tragedy. if we're lucky, average for man lucky, the average age for a man is come into is 70 years. so we come into this we die. it's this world and then we die. it's a then i learned a tragedy. but then i learned that's god's for he that's not god's plan for us. he came have life and came that we can have life and eternal actually, when eternal life. and actually, when we says, death is we know god, he says, death is not end . you have to we know god, he says, death is not underd . you have to we know god, he says, death is not under the ’ou have to we know god, he says, death is not under the curse have to we know god, he says, death is not under the curse death.o live under the curse of death. you can have life and have it eternal. eternal the eternal. eternal through the person of jesus christ. and for me , that just so. such a me, that was just so. such a light switch on moment. and that's when the holy spirit came. encountered jesus , came. when i encountered jesus, i everything i was filled and everything changed. in a third changed. i see life in a third dimension. now that i never saw before. >> and were you with d at the time when you came to that realisation? >> yes. there was a christian. i think that's that's part the think that's that's part of the light me her. light that attracted me to her. she had forgiveness her she had forgiveness in her heart. the inside heart. beautiful on the inside and outside. and the outside.

>> identified christian, >> i identified as christian, but i didn't know the but actually i didn't know the full story of what jesus christ had done. and i think it took for me to see see the change in warren for me to realise, actually, there's something missing. >> i'm i'm not heard the full story of how god wants to be in relationship with us. >> so i think morally , um, i >> so i think morally, um, i identified as christian, um , but identified as christian, um, but actually it was seeing the change in warren when he sort of accepted . actually, i need to be accepted. actually, i need to be in relationship with jesus . in relationship with jesus. >> this is the truth and the sort of the it revealed another layer to him. >> and i thought, actually, i'm missing something as well. so i explored and at the same time as him and yeah, that was on an alpha course. >> we had one of those. >> we had one of those. >> no, wasn't that okay? >> no, wasn't that okay? >> so it's just really a course that's, laid on over ten that's, that's laid on over ten

weeks or weeks where and it's take it or leave pressure all leave it, no pressure at all where along. can where you can go along. you can share over a ten week share a meal over a ten week period, uh, asking the big questions and it's put questions of life. and it's put on church. got on by the church. so you've got people recruited, people who are safely recruited, people who are safely recruited, people know god to answer people who know god to answer their big questions. and that was important was really important to me because . because. >> you're ordained? yes >> so you're being ordained? yes when is that? and you could you could talk about it or. well we're in training for ordination, but it doesn't mean we be all day necessarily . we will be all day necessarily. >> so can happen. yes. it's >> so it can happen. yes. it's god's will, if it's god's will, but, um, if it's god's will, but, um, if it's god's will, but, um, if it's god's will and it's looking like it because we've had a lot of it is because we've had a lot of theological, i can't even say it. theological now . it. theological training now. and we're really excited because obviously, a christian, and we're really excited because obvi you y, a christian, and we're really excited because obvi you are a christian, and we're really excited because obvi you are you a christian, and we're really excited because obvi you are you are 1ristian, and we're really excited because obvi you are you are theian, and we're really excited because obvi you are you are the body of um, you are you are the body of christ, you know? so it's not that the church is not the building. you're called into being that so being part of that body. so we're about that. being part of that body. so we'rit's about that. being part of that body. so we'rit's looking about that. being part of that body. so we'rit's looking likeibout that. being part of that body. so we'rit's looking like it)ut that. being part of that body. so we'rit's looking like it couldit. and it's looking like it could be. is it july, july six saint paul's. >> so that would be really exciting. >> yeah. you're not choosing no small church to do in, are you. >> just something small and humble. >> nana why not exactly god's church? god wants it that way . church? god wants it that way. well, look, we wish you all the

best. obviously, we'd love to hear the journey get some hear the journey if you get some pictures, some pictures, we'd love to show some pictures, we'd love to show some pictures of how you've on pictures of how you've got on and briefly, and then very briefly, because i'm but i'm running out of time. but i do fascinating. um do find you fascinating. um what's what's the plan then? you get ordained, and then do you go out spread message? what out and spread the message? what goes there? goes on from there? >> well, we become ministers. and the idea of servant leadership in the church is that you're serving people. and so we'll be out there, you know, love. you were talking about love. you were talking about love earlier. and that's that's really thing. really the most important thing. and that's what a church is there do, love and to there to do, to love and to bless not bless the community. it's not to build but bless build a church, but to bless the communities placed communities that it's placed in. so loving the community. >> will they give you a house? >> will they give you a house? >> oh, st paul's cathedral, but when you leave, you want a when you leave, when you want a penthouse top of it, penthouse at the top of it, you get be in house. get to be in a house. >> afterwards, they give you a you the you going to go in the community, are they going to give you a house? >> think go >> listen, i don't think you go to church the money. no, to the church for the money. no, no. america. no. no. maybe in america. no. >> all the >> they keep all the money there. i shouldn't have said that. brought stuff there. i shouldn't have said tha never brought stuff there. i shouldn't have said tha never got)rought stuff there. i shouldn't have said tha never got to jght stuff there. i shouldn't have said tha never got to see stuff there. i shouldn't have said tha never got to see at stuff there. i shouldn't have said tha never got to see at all. stuff there. i shouldn't have said tha never got to see at all. but we never got to see at all. but this is all gladiatorial this is all you gladiatorial gean this is all you gladiatorial gear. to go. i've gear. oh, i've got to go. i've got 30s.

gear. oh, i've got to go. i've got we'll 30s. gear. oh, i've got to go. i've got we'll bring gear. oh, i've got to go. i've gotwe'll bring back next >> we'll bring it back next time, show us time, and then you can show us this special. up you this special. press up that you do the that do to get in the shape that you're do to get in the shape that youi'll you that. >> i'll show you that. >> i'll show you that. >> deal. >> i'll show you that. >> that's deal. >> i'll show you that. >> that's a deal. warren. lovely to andy. so to meet you, andy. thank you so much it's really much for coming on. it's really good and good luck good to see you. and good luck with smiley, happy faces. good to see you. and good luck vialmost smiley, happy faces. good to see you. and good luck vialmost want iley, happy faces. good to see you. and good luck vialmost want to y, happy faces. good to see you. and good luck vialmost want to y, hallyy faces. good to see you. and good luck vialmost want to y, hallyy fa all. i almost want to do all the all the the religious the things, the religious thing as study as well. but i did study philosophy theology, philosophy and theology, and i kind to honest. kind of put me off to be honest. but are but listen, these are fascinating that's and fascinating people. that's and really to out. really interesting to check out. warren's journey. stay tuned for that. listen, coming up, that. but listen, coming up, figures under the figures released under the freedom of information laws show that up to three quarters of police have in police stations have shut in some in a some parts of the uk in a shocking reduction to frontline services, be discussing services, will be discussing that in my mini debate. but up next, the great british debate. i'm asking are any of sir keir starmer's plans workable

michael portillo, gb news. >> britain's news channel . >> britain's news channel. >> britain's news channel. >> uh good afternoon, 26 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. welcome aboard. if you've just tuned in, where have you been ? tuned in, where have you been? no, this is nice. nana. now listen, we've got so much to do because it's time for the great british this hour. because it's time for the great british this hour . and because it's time for the great brit asking, this hour . and because it's time for the great brit asking, tany�*nour . and because it's time for the great brit asking, tany ofrr . and because it's time for the great brit asking, tany of sirand because it's time for the great brit asking, tany of sir keir i'm asking, are any of sir keir starmer's plans workable? not even one. and now he has pledged to crack down on private schools, using loopholes to avoid paying vat on fees if he comes into power at the next general election. the labour party have also promised to spend 28 billion a year on a green industrial revolution if they win the election. uh and

there have been other plans as well, or they looked at the rwanda thing and said, well, actually do actually we're going to do something but something that isn't rwanda, but they opened the door to they have opened the door to potential offshoring . so to give potential offshoring. so to give me their take on this, i'm joined now by former labour special adviser paul richards joined now by former labour spe(teacherser paul richards joined now by former labour spe(teacher callum richards joined now by former labour spe(teacher callum robertson. and teacher callum robertson. right. well, okay. so i'm going to start with you , callum to start with you, callum robertson. um, i'm going to start with one of the policies that he put on, which is talking about on private schools, is about vat on private schools, is that a workable proposition? his plan was then to use that money to fund the state school education system . education system. >> sure, sure. >> sure, sure. >> so essentially , i think what >> so essentially, i think what labour are promising is to address educational inequality by tackling the charitable status of independent schools. >> now it seems like a really goodidea >> now it seems like a really good idea on paper, tax private schools to get the money for, uh , state schools, invest in state schools . schools. >> great. >> great. >> but i think keir starmer needs to be really aware of the law of unintended consequence, as schools are as many send schools are actually independently run .

actually independently run. >> uh, so realistically, what this policy is going to do is it's going to penalise children with at the with special needs. but at the same time, the system is not actually working, but the labour solution might inadvertently make it worse. >> the best actually route forward for labour would be for a presumption that schools should actually have to earn a presumption that schools shoulycharitablehave to earn a presumption that schools shoulycharitable statuses arn a presumption that schools shoulycharitable statuses ,rn a presumption that schools shoulycharitable statuses , which those charitable statuses, which protects send, uh , kids and protects send, uh, kids and private schools that actually engagein private schools that actually engage in that charitable work . engage in that charitable work. >> now, there's a really good example of this, which is harris westminster, um, a state sixth form, is a private ship form, which is a private ship private the private partnership between the harris and, um, harris federation and, um, westminster school to provide really high quality education for some of the most able kids from disadvantaged backgrounds . from disadvantaged backgrounds. uh, this is a school that last year got 49 kids offered for oxbridge . i mean, so it does oxbridge. i mean, so it does work . work. >> um, interestingly, that sort of proposal for more state private partnership hasn't really been floated by labour at the moment. >> party that is >> but the party that is actually the actually offering that is the liberal actually offering that is the lib

>> . >> okay. >> okay. >> also came up with the proposition for um, um, for foreign students to be able to fund some of the university places as well, which was another one of those propositions which don't propositions which i don't know to me a bit to me sounds a little bit unworkable because you're relying students relying on more foreign students and your and you're not focusing on your own, let's go to you , paul own, but let's go to you, paul richards. you're a former labour special adviser. what about the green energy plan? they said 28 billion. and . in the end they billion. and. in the end they said that they pushed that back. >> well, the point of the green energy plan is that it actually creates the economy. creates growth in the economy. >> good for >> so not only is it good for the environment and to move towards sort of post—carbon towards that sort of post—carbon future that we need to survive, it also creates jobs. we're going to need people who are carpenters and electricians , and carpenters and electricians, and we're going to need people who can roofing insulation , um, can do a roofing insulation, um, as well as very high tech jobs in carbon capture and so on. >> so it's not an expense in that sense. >> it's a way of getting the economy moving, creating jobs in every of the country in every part of the country in some these exciting high

some of these very exciting high tech sectors. you know, why shouldn't britain be a leader in this technology ? why should we this technology? why should we just cede the ground to other people ? well, it's entirely people? well, it's entirely possible the world possible we can be the world beaters some of this beaters in some of this technology . technology. >> so good for the >> um, so it's good for the environment good the environment and good for the economy. know the environment and good for the ecormissions, know the environment and good for the ecormissions, you know the environment and good for the ecormissions, you know,w the environment and good for the ecormissions, you know, the the environment and good for the ecormissions, you know, the big five missions, you know, the big mission growth. mission is all about growth. getting fastest growth in getting the fastest growth in the g7. >> the 67. >> that's a huge ambition. >> that's a huge ambition. >> they say, you >> when, say, they say, you know, starmer is not ambitious. that's ambition. and that's an enormous ambition. and the it is the way you achieve it is through kind of green through the kind of green policies we're about. >> but when he mentioned that to the markets, the market was the markets spooked and the markets were spooked and the reason then had reason why he then had to reconsider it was because they said destabilise the said it would destabilise the markets. this is the markets. so this, this is the problem. whilst it all sounds great paper, just saying, great on paper, just saying, oh, we're the first and we're the ones it, you know, like ones that did it, you know, like with beating vaccine with the world beating vaccine or the world it's all or the world beating, it's all very . but if at the end of very well. but if at the end of the day, the thing bankrupts the country, we're being country, surely that we're being left . left behind. >> we're being we've been left for dead by the states, by china, by the eu, you know, and

i don't want britain to be in a sort of third rung. >> it should be at the front of this, not just for the planet, but also for local jobs, you know, getting people to know, getting people back to work towns and work in all the towns and cities. watching this cities. people are watching this programme will programme in, you know, it will create that's programme in, you know, it will creebenefit that's programme in, you know, it will creebenefit . that's the benefit. >> you we've been left >> you say we've been left behind and you actually cited china . china aren't going china. china aren't going towards the 2050 or 2030 deadline. china . aren't taking deadline. china. aren't taking any notice and trying to have a load of coal powered fire stations that they are continuing and continuing with. and keir starmer that starmer actually said that he would forward bring would bring forward or bring back deadline for, uh, back the 2030 deadline for, uh, petrol and diesel engines . so petrol and diesel engines. so that's another one of his plans. sorry, i'm going to bring that back to you again, paul, because you're a former labour special adviser. surely that seems a little bit unworkable as well . little bit unworkable as well. >> i'm not saying we need >> well, i'm not saying we need to be more like china. >> china are not the good guys in this, but they are developing some way some of the technology way ahead of world, of the rest of the world, particularly like particularly on things like carbon capture, capture, carbon capture, uh, capture, because this carbon capture, uh, capture, bethe se this carbon capture, uh, capture, bethe se drive this carbon capture, uh, capture, bethe se drive an this carbon capture, uh, capture, bethe se drive an economy is the way you drive an economy forward. can look at that

forward. so we can look at that and we apply and think, well, how do we apply that to our own economy, to our own towns ? um, and own cities and towns? um, and take forward? and that's what take it forward? and that's what starmer talking about with starmer is talking about with his is um, he has his five missions. is um, he has set out, you know, policy. now you can't do great detailed policy at this stage because you will understand the minute you do that, the tories either trash it or nick it. um, so you have to though, will have to though, will you have to later the year then people later in the year then people can their own mind up and can make their own mind up and see what's on offer. callum >> but surely, i mean, from what he's there, you he's just said there, would you like of how labour like to see more of how labour planned things like, planned to approach things like, uh, net zero etc. etc. and give more of their policies? or do you think they need to keep quiet? you think they need to keep quiet their policies ? away their policies? >> interesting question. >> it's an interesting question. >> it's an interesting question. >> it's an interesting question. >> i mean, they honestly labour can't physically do a worse job than the tories at this stage. >> i say a card >> and i say that as a card carrying member of the liberal democrats. >> um, so like it to the extent i to see of i would like to see more of what labour offering, i labour is offering, because i think public would labour is offering, because i thin to public would labour is offering, because i thin to . public would labour is offering, because i thinto . but public would labour is offering, because i thinto . but at public would labour is offering, because i thinto . but at public time,i like to. but at the same time, um, what labour's job really to be first couple of years be in the first couple of years of their next administration,

which i think they might genuinely next general genuinely win the next general election of election the first couple of years, is focussed on fixing some messes that rishi some of the messes that rishi sunak johnson , god sunak and boris johnson, god forbid, liz truss set up for the country. >> all right. well, listen, thank you so much for your thoughts. really good to talk to you. that course, callum you. that is of course, callum robertson. and robertson. he's a teacher. and also paul richards, former labour thank also paul richards, former lab(so thank also paul richards, former lab(so much. thank also paul richards, former lab(so much. the hank also paul richards, former lab(so much. the gbk also paul richards, former lab(so much. the gb news you so much. this is the gb news on online and on digital on tv online and on digital radio up, continue radio coming up, we'll continue with british debate with the great british debate this asking, are this hour. and i'm asking, are any sir keir starmer's any of sir keir starmer's plans workable? the thoughts of workable? ulez the thoughts of my danny kelly also my panel, danny kelly and also greg johnson. but first, let's get headlines . get your latest news headlines. >> nana. thank you very much. good evening. i'm sam francis , good evening. i'm sam francis, the top story from the gb newsroom at just after 530. well in the last hour it has been confirmed that this week's planned strikes on the london underground have been suspended . underground have been suspended. members of the rmt were due to walk out in protest over a 5% pay walk out in protest over a 5% pay offer, leaving hundreds of thousands of passengers in the

capital facing severe travel disruption . however, the union's disruption. however, the union's general secretary, mick lynch, says the planned action will no longer go ahead after progress has been made in discussions with tfl today . meanwhile, more with tfl today. meanwhile, more than 170,000 flood warnings remain in place across england and over 1800 properties are damaged. the prime minister has said today that speaking with some of the residents in affected in oxford claimed that they were at pains to say the environment agency's response to flooding had been great. rishi sunak also met with the environment agency workers at their depot on osney island to see firsthand their battle with rising river levels . in other rising river levels. in other news, the conservatives have chosen the partner of disgraced former mp peter bone to replace him. according to the party chair, richard holden, helen harrison was selected as the new candidate for wellingborough at a meeting of members this afternoon. a by—election is being held there after mr bone

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the great british debate. this houn the great british debate. this hour. and i'm asking, are any of sir keir starmer's plans workable ? uh, so what do you workable? uh, so what do you think keir starmer has pledged to private schools to crack down on private schools by using loopholes to avoid paying by using loopholes to avoid paying vat on fees if he comes into power? uh, they've also promised to spend 28 billion a year on green industrial revolutions and jobs. but then . revolutions and jobs. but then. they did row back on that and say, that'll be near the end of their parliament. should they say, that'll be near the end of theiin?irliament. should they say, that'll be near the end of theiin?irliament thererld they say, that'll be near the end of theiin?irliament thererld tifears get in? because there was fears that would destabilise the that that would destabilise the market. of course, they've market. then, of course, they've talked ring talked about offshore ring whilst they sort said that whilst they sort of said that they rid of the rwanda they would get rid of the rwanda plan immediately , even it's plan immediately, even if it's working. so from the plans working. so so from the plans that you've heard from them, are any of them workable? well, joining me to discuss my panel, um, chair of the republicans overseas , greg svensson, also overseas, greg svensson, also broadcast from journalist danny kelly. uh, greg svensson , i'm kelly. uh, greg svensson, i'm going to start with you. you've heard of the things that heard some of the things that keir has been pledging. heard some of the things that keirthere has been pledging. heard some of the things that keirthere very as been pledging. heard some of the things that keirthere very few een pledging. heard some of the things that keirthere very few een plethat g. are there very few things that he's said? yeah. he's actually said? yeah. is anything hearing anything that you're hearing workable? anything that you're hearing

worand e? anything that you're hearing worand especially the climate >> and especially the climate fanaticism you know, the 28 billion. it's an absolute loser. and i think it's also not not only does it it doesn't make sense and it will be an economic you know, it'll be a real weight on the economy. but also it's an electoral loser . and you saw electoral loser. and you saw that in the in the by elections last summer. you know, if, if the parties of the right all over the world need to identify , over the world need to identify, try and better communicate an economic strategy, the conservative, the tories haven't done that in the 13, 14 years they've been in power. the parties of the left need to moderate their really overambitious climate agenda. dial it down a notch and they and they can win elections. but if he starts throwing that kind of money around and threatening the economy when will then he might actually lose? well, that's a stretch . that's a stretch. >> no, he might do, though. what do you think danny kelly? >> i'll tell you what, sir keir starmer, the night of the realm, the during

the man who took the knee during the man who took the knee during the black lives matter period 3 or 4 years ago. he's he's i think he's potentially losing connection with the real red wall labour voters, hardcore labour voters and i'm going to generalise here, but i think i'm coming from a position where i don't live in the m25 bubble, i live in the midlands. i got working class pals, i'm a working class pals, i'm a working class pals, i'm a working class man. and i would argue that working class individuals aren't bothered individuals aren't that bothered about the £28 billion green tax pledge or whatever he's trying to achieve. >> i don't think anyone is. >> i don't think anyone is. >> he's he's cornering him . >> he's he's cornering him. yeah. he's backing himself into a here with the rwanda a corner here with the rwanda plan. think if he were to plan. i think if he were to knock on 100 labour household and listen, rwanda and say, listen, if rwanda gets off tarmac and it's going to off the tarmac and it's going to prevent people coming over this perilous going perilous journey and it's going to immigrants to prevent illegal immigrants smuggling into smuggling themselves into britain, to do you britain, do you want to do you want to work? i think want rwanda to work? i think a great percentage would say yes . great percentage would say yes. it's not a conservative thing. it's not a conservative thing. it's not a labour thing. it's a thing really without any thing that really is without any sort of partisanship. it's people who want to and stop

people who want to try and stop illegal immigration. >> well, considering he said that actually, and we've heard that actually, and we've heard that have sort of that they have a sort of offshoring plan because he went to with david blunkett , to consult with david blunkett, who in 2004 came up with the tanzania form of sort of offshoring. so considering he's been talking in talks with him , been talking in talks with him, and then he said he's going to get rid of rwanda, even if it works, it sounds like very works, it sounds like a very stupid mean, it stupid thing to say. i mean, it just doesn't sound very intelligent . you plan intelligent. if you put a plan intelligent. if you put a plan in place it's working , in place and it's working, surely on with in place and it's working, su|well on with in place and it's working, su|well you'd on with in place and it's working, su|well you'd think on with in place and it's working, su|well you'd think so on with in place and it's working, su|well you'd think so ,»n with in place and it's working, su|well you'd think so , yeah.1 it. well you'd think so, yeah. >> and we had a very well functioning border policy in the united states in 2020. and biden took office and completely flipped and, and basically opened the border and now we have 8 million illegal aliens so far, since biden took office. and it'll be ten and a half, 11 at the end of his turn at the end of this year. and that's why he's polling in the 20s on the border. so he had a perfectly working strategy that if he had

just kept it, he'd be polling it i >> -- >> well, it imam >> well, it was the wall, wasn't it? donald trump said he'd build >> well, it was the wall, wasn't it? iwallld trump said he'd build >> well, it was the wall, wasn't it? iwall and ump said he'd build >> well, it was the wall, wasn't it? iwall and everyone he'd build >> well, it was the wall, wasn't it? iwall and everyone was. build >> well, it was the wall, wasn't it? iwall and everyone was. butd the wall and everyone was. but well, started it, well, he started building it, but far. well, he started building it, butand far. well, he started building it, butand he far. well, he started building it, butand he also put in some >> and he also put in some policy, but he was going to build in mexico build the remain in mexico policy so policy was very successful. so crazier things have happened. you think that keir would you would think that keir would just it if it's just roll with it if it's working. but sometimes working. yeah. but sometimes they, they're, they're, they feel compelled to do something different or the opposite of what predecessor did. what their predecessor did. >> concern is that he wants >> my concern is that he wants to moral ground to take the moral high ground and i think he wants to appease the of the left, of the the left of the left, of the left the labour party and i left of the labour party. and i would remind him, listen, would remind him, i listen, you're have you're hardcore voters have got real about illegal real concerns about illegal immigration. prevents immigration. if rwanda prevents people crossing, don't dismiss it. don't stop it. keep it going until you've got something better. but don't stop it. >> follow the open border. >> don't follow the open border. left progressive wing of the party. that's not how you win elections but, well, show party. that's not how you win elnothing but, well, show party. that's not how you win el nothing without ll, show party. that's not how you win el nothing without you show party. that's not how you win el nothing without you and how party. that's not how you win el nothing without you and your is nothing without you and your views. >> let's welcome some of our great british voices. their opportunity be on the show. opportunity to be on the show. tell think about opportunity to be on the show. telltopics think about opportunity to be on the show. telltopics discussing. ut the topics we're discussing. i've yeah let's

i've got four of you. yeah let's start with samson. she's start with jacqui samson. she's there . jacqui, there in saint albans. jacqui, what ? there's no what do you think? there's no jackie. oh, that is jackie. it's jackie. oh, that is jackie. it's jackie . yeah. you changed your jackie. yeah. you changed your hair, jackie . hair, jackie. >> oh is it down? wash >> oh is it down? wash >> i completely agree with danny . sir keir starmer is completely out of touch with the core labour voters and the things that matter to them. um, he's not even covering, like, playground politics. if the rwanda thing is working, he's saying he's going to throw it out just with the other guys are doing it about the inheritance , doing it about the inheritance, he said he's going to reverse if the, um, if rishi sunak brings it in, he's going to reverse it. well, in london, you don't have to go too far to go over that threshold . an ordinary working threshold. an ordinary working person already isn't happy about the green agenda because they've got to pay 12 or £13 every time they drive to work , so i'm not sure. >> i think he has noble ideas , >> i think he has noble ideas, but they seem to be divorced from reality and divorced to what people really want. and also they're not very clear . i also they're not very clear. i don't even know exactly what

they don't even know exactly what the pledges of assistance . that's >> pledges of assistance. that's a new thing, isn't it? >> nobody does. nobody does. jackie. know. uh jackie. none of us know. uh let's um, alan mcneilly, let's go to, um, alan mcneilly, who's there in grimsby, al, what do you think ? hello. good afternoon. >> there's nothing that i've heard from sir keir starmer that makes any sense whatsoever . makes any sense whatsoever. whether it's taxing the private schools, all the money that he's going to pump into this great green revolution, which i don't, i think would be a total failure. um, and he just doesn't seem to have connected in any way with reality . he i mean, way with reality. he i mean, i agree with you, your other guest, that he just seems divorced from reality. it's all signs . lovely, doesn't it? but signs. lovely, doesn't it? but is there any substance in it? i can't see any at all in anything that he says . mhm, mhm. that he says. mhm, mhm. >> well a lot of us are still waiting . brian doogan you're waiting. brian doogan you're there in solihull brian what do you think . you think. >> well nana how are you doing. um look i don't want to necessarily take the contrarian view, but uh, i mean to, to, to

describe keir starmer as being divorced from reality. >> i mean, the last time i looked, i thought the polls, uh , looked, i thought the polls, uh, labour were 20 points ahead, so , labour were 20 points ahead, so, look, you know what they're talking about in comparison to what the government is doing. >> uh , i mean, we're talking >> uh, i mean, we're talking here about . well, if he if he if here about. well, if he if he if here about. well, if he if he if he was to dismiss the rwanda policy, working . policy, if it's working. >> since was the >> well, since when was the rwanda policy working? >> policy isn't. >> when the policy isn't. >> when the policy isn't. >> no, no, no. he said no, no. but he said that he would get rid even working. rid of it even if it's working. so somebody who is so that that's somebody who is just something just doing something specifically just to be different, which i don't know why be good thing . why that would be a good thing. >> entirely what >> i get, i get entirely what you say there. >> nana. absolutely. >> nana. absolutely. >> but let's get it up and running first and see if it works. >> and then and then maybe he works. >> acan hen and then maybe he works. >> acan dismiss then maybe he then can dismiss it. >> if that's what he wants >> if, if that's what he wants to do at that point. >> in terms green policy. >> well, look, i think that's is determined by the overall fiscal plan. >> uh, but look , i think the >> uh, but look, i think the green policy people need to be pragmatic about that. >> and i would imagine that in

power , keir keir starmer and power, keir keir starmer and labour would be, uh, prime matic about it. >> well, well, you'd imagine, but there's a lot of things we could imagine if you would could all imagine if you would just tell us, that be just tell us, that would be quite gell quite useful. adrian gell in shropshire . adrian shropshire. adrian >> hey, nana. well, hang on, look at keir starmer. >> is not known as flip flop for nothing , is >> is not known as flip flop for nothing, is he? >> and that's partly because you look at his shabby shadow cabinet who are all quite silent at the moment in the run up to the election. but they're they're very strong. >> corbyn leaders behind him . >> corbyn leaders behind him. >> corbyn leaders behind him. >> um, but you look at, uh, you know, the one thing that britain has always been really good at and has always wanted is choice. and what what keir starmer is promising to do through his socialist policies is to remove our choice . our choice. >> and just you look at the education system and threatening to put vat on, on, uh, on private school fees. that's removing the choice of parents

of how they educate their children, which is seriously important stage of , of their important stage of, of their lives. it's not a child's choice whether they go into private education or the parents choice because they want the best for their children. and by adding aiden, we're running out of time, we're running out of time. >> but we hear you choice is what he's taken away. and that's how i feel about a lot of his policies. if only he could tell us them. adrian us more about them. but adrian gell thank much for gell, thank you very much for talking shropshire . talking to us from shropshire. jacqui samson in saint albans, alan and alan mcneely in grimsby and bnan alan mcneely in grimsby and brian doogan solihull. brian doogan in solihull. lovely to those are my to talk to you. those are my voices great, aren't voices and they're great, aren't they? great british they? they're great british voices. moving to story voices. but moving on to a story that caught eye today, that caught my eye today, figures information laws show freedom of information laws show that up to three quarters of police stations have shut down in parts of the uk. in a shocking reduction in frontline services. now, figures show services. now, the figures show that number of sites in the that the number of sites in the west fallen by 76% west midlands have fallen by 76% in just eight years. the total run by scotland yard has halved in the same time frame. so let's

see what my panel make of that. it's a quick greg it's a quick one, greg and danny, start with you, danny, we'll start with you, danny. lottery, isn't danny. um, it's a lottery, isn't it? it's , uh, it's it? listen, it's, uh, it's heaven for burglars and thieves. >> you know where i live in royal leamington spa. warwick used station used to have its police station and leamington had its police station. ten station. warwick closed ten years there's a pub years ago. so if there's a pub fight in warwick, you've got to get plod down from leamington spa. of sudden you spa. all of a sudden and, you know, it's know, rush hour traffic. it's a bad move. >> to open them. greg, >> we need to open them. greg, you've it never works. >> defunding the police movement has complete and utter has been a complete and utter disaster in the country's that tried it. so it's an absolute disaster. they should reverse that. it's the one important point function of government to protect . its citizens. protect. its citizens. >> and yeah, closing the police stations is the very opposite to that. thank you for that. they were sharp swift, weren't were sharp and swift, weren't they? for they? but now it's time for supplements is supplements sunday. this is a part where my panel part of the show where my panel and news and i discuss some of the news stories our eye. uh, stories that caught our eye. uh, now start . with you, danny now let's start. with you, danny kelly, your story. okay >> residents in glasgow living in of a rat infestation , in fear of a rat infestation, citywide rat infestation. it's

the perfect storm for rats . the perfect storm for rats. we've got christmas bin collections being delayed. we've got excess food being lobbed away in black bin bags. and you've got urban foxes drawing in the rats into the city centre. there's a connection , a centre. there's a connection, a relationship between a fox and a rat, and the rats are breaking into people's houses, probably because the police stations have all been closed and residents are coming back from their christmas getaways. and the little chocolate baubles have been away by. true story been nibbled away by. true story glasgow rat infestation. swindon as yeah there's some as well. yeah there's some horrible looking things there as well. and i don't mean about glaswegians. the no glaswegians. i mean the rats. no let me say mean right? >> greg sun—sin, what have you got for me in the mirror? >> spending , got for me in the mirror? >> spending, trump's >> sunak's spending, trump's donald's . in >> sunak's spending, trump's donald's. in other words, he's spending more money than donald trump in a country that's one fifth the size. and i can't figure out what he's advertising . he's spending this money . he's spending all this money on facebook and could on facebook, and all i could think is the so—called think is what is the so—called conservative prime minister advertising on facebook ? price advertising on facebook? price capsin advertising on facebook? price

caps in energy and food tax hikes, windfall taxes , welfare hikes, windfall taxes, welfare expansion, green agenda. i don't really understand fracking bans. you know what's what's the what is he spending all that money on? i have no idea. >> oh interesting though. but listen, i've got a story for you. earlier this an you. then earlier this week, an alaskan aeroplane to alaskan aeroplane heading to california 171 california carrying 171 passengers and six crew, lost a door plug. yes, at 16,000ft. i mean, this is some story. and this week it's been an interesting week for planes, isn't it? because we had the situation with that jet in japan, uh , went on fire japan, which, uh, went on fire and it managed to land that was quite incredible. but this whole apparently in this whole, um, this little kid , his top, his this little kid, his top, his top was whipped off him and his mother, to really cling mother, who had to really cling on to him. otherwise he would have that as well. >> e how was it? >> and how high was it? 16,000ft. sucked 16,000ft. you'd get sucked out. well, who's as fat well, even someone who's as fat as would have sucked as me would have got sucked out of that actually, no , >> is that big? actually, no, no, believe not, no, no , n0. >> no. >> greg nana nana. and i have this this , this love hate this this, this love hate

relationship with my with my body. now, i love her, but but even if you're fat like i am, you will. you will be sucked through a much smaller hole at, uh, tens of thousands. well, you are not an ounce of fat on you. i don't think it would save everybody. could everybody. i could save everyone's . everyone's life. >> that's exactly it. >> that's exactly it. >> i'd freeze >> yeah. i'd freeze on the outside. i'd nice warm on outside. i'd be nice and warm on the of plane. absolutely. >> danny kelly >> and they said, danny kelly saved of everyone in this. >> what about that japanese >> but what about that japanese airliner ? 350 people who airliner? 350 people who managed to get off that inferno? >> incredible . >> quite incredible. >> quite incredible. >> and they said that that sully sullivan . uh oh. hudson hudson sullivan. uh oh. hudson hudson river, everybody got out. >> pilot . wasn't he amazing >> pilot. wasn't he amazing that that saved their lives? i that he saved their lives? i mean, that was quite incredible, wasn't yeah wasn't it? yeah >> for aviation. bad >> wow. week for aviation. bad week. a ending. week. but a good ending. >> good ending. >> yeah. very good ending. although forget the although let's not forget the poor in the plane poor people in the little plane that died. that five of them died. >> died. they were >> five of them died. they were crossing pilot. >> five of them died. they were croswell, pilot. >> five of them died. they were croswell, still, lot. >> five of them died. they were croswell, still, they didn't >> well, still, they didn't deserve but the pilot deserve to die. but the pilot got course they didn't got out. of course they didn't deserve didn't say second. got out. of course they didn't desthey didn't say second. got out. of course they didn't desthey dicsay say second. got out. of course they didn't desthey dicsaysay you;cond. >> they did say what you were saying . saying. >> so they just say cold. i know you didn't mean that. no, seriously. heart goes seriously. what my heart goes

out those who that. out to those who died in that. but actually plane out to those who died in that. but shouldn'tjally plane out to those who died in that. but shouldn'tjally been.ane out to those who died in that. but shouldn'tjally been there that shouldn't have been there at the time. it was, which caused the problem. end , caused the problem. in the end, i've got to say a big hello to danny's black mummy. she's black. she's a lady called millie from ashton in birmingham. happy birthday. happy birthday. mill. are happy birthday. thank you so much . oh birthday. thank you so much. oh millie is lovely. she is. >> she's beautiful barbara was a lovely woman. >> lovely woman. listen, on today's show, i've asking, today's show, i've been asking, should to should we do not cut benefits to fund according to fund tax cuts? and according to our poll, 67.5% of you our twitter poll, 67.5% of you say , 32% of you say no. i'm say yes, 32% of you say no. i'm quite surprised at that result. well i've got to say a huge thank you to my panel, broadcaster journalist danny broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. thank you very much indeed, much . and also greg indeed, very much. and also greg svenson . forjoining me today. svenson. forjoining me today. thank you. greg, great to have you there. it was good, wasn't he. very well, and you there. it was good, wasn't h

weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> hello, i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office. we'll see plenty of fine settled weather the weather across the uk over the next days. plenty of sunny next few days. plenty of sunny spells, fog, some spells, fog, frost and some icy patches during the patches though during the overnight and 2 overnight period and 1 or 2 wintry two high wintry showers. two high pressure dominating. sitting pressure is dominating. sitting just the north—west just towards the north—west of the us the generally the uk, giving us the generally fine conditions. although notice fairly tightly packed isobars towards a of towards the south. so a bit of a breeze coming from the east breeze coming in from the east or north easterly direction as we the evening and we head into the evening and dunng we head into the evening and during period, during the overnight period, showers the north of showers across the north of england way england will work their way westwards irish areas westwards into irish sea areas and also few showers and also a few showers developing the developing down towards the south—east . need to south—east of england. need to keep on those as we keep an eye on those as we head into rush hour on monday morning. of morning. could give a bit of snow in places, especially on the downs a few icy the north downs, and a few icy patches places to elsewhere, patches in places to elsewhere, though of frost and though it's a case of frost and some forming by some fog patches forming by monday . as for monday monday morning. as for monday itself, a bit of a tricky start towards the southeast there some wintry in places, icy wintry showers in places, icy patches places to patches in places here to elsewhere , fog frost

elsewhere, fog and frost gradually plenty of gradually lifting plenty of sunshine away from that southeast . although the southeast corner. although the showers across the southeast will migrate their way will start to migrate their way westwards southern westwards across southern england, eventually reaching the far as we far south—west of the uk. as we head the latter stages head into the latter stages of the monday , another the day on monday, another pretty for the time the day on monday, another pr

walk out in protest over a 5% pay walk out in protest over a 5% pay offer, leaving hundreds of thousands of passengers facing severe travel disruption in the caphal severe travel disruption in the capital. however, the union's general secretary, mick lynch, says that the planned action

will no longer go ahead. that's after progress has been made in discussions with the tfl today . discussions with the tfl today. well, we're also being warned that snow is on the way as an amber cold health alert has been issued for parts of england. the met office has also issued a yellow weather warning from 4:00 tomorrow morning. that means that snow and ice is likely to affect roads and train services in parts of greater london, kent , surrey, east sussex and also west sussex . meanwhile, more west sussex. meanwhile, more than 170 flood warnings are still in place across england and over 1800 properties have been damaged by flood waters. the prime minister has today been speaking with some of the residents affected in oxford. he claims that they were at pains to say that the environment agency's response to flooding had been great. rishi sunak also met environment agency workers at their depot on osney island to see first hand their battle with rising river levels. the prime minister says the government's flood defences are working. there have been many