ahead. that's will no longer go ahead. that's after progress has been made in discussions with the tfl today . discussions with the tfl today. well, we're also being warned that snow is on the way as an amber cold health alert has been issued for parts of england. the met office has also issued a yellow weather warning from 4:00 tomorrow morning. that means that snow and ice is likely to affect roads and train services in parts of greater london, kent , surrey, east sussex and also west sussex . meanwhile, more west sussex. meanwhile, more than 170 flood warnings are still in place across england and over 1800 properties have been damaged by flood waters. the prime minister has today been speaking with some of the residents affected in oxford. he claims that they were at pains to say that the environment agency's response to flooding had been great. rishi sunak also met environment agency workers at their depot on osney island to see first hand their battle with rising river levels. the prime minister says the government's flood defences are working. there have been many

people affected by what's happened over the past week, but also 49,000 homes have been protected from flooding as a result of that investment , protected from flooding as a result of that investment, and also things like the pumps that i've been seeing here today and the flood barriers just in the community. >> i've been walking around hundreds of homes have been protected because of those investments . but of course, this investments. but of course, this is going be devastating for is going to be devastating for those who are impacted, which is why financial support in why there's financial support in place. , the place. but overall, the investment going into investment that's going into flood very, flood defences is at a very, very level . very high level. >> other news, the >> well, in other news, the conservatives have chosen the partner of disgraced former mp peter bone to replace him . peter bone to replace him. according to the party chair, richard holden . helen harrison richard holden. helen harrison was selected as the new candidate for wellingborough at a meeting of members this afternoon . a by—election is afternoon. a by—election is being held there after mr bone was found to have indecently exposed himself to a staff member trapped them in member, and then trapped them in the of a hotel room. he the bathroom of a hotel room. he has, the has, though, denied the allegations . meanwhile rishi allegations. meanwhile rishi sunak has denied having

hesitations about the government's rwanda scheme. that was during his time as chancellor. the bbc claims to have seen documents where the prime minister expressed scepticism about the plan. he said it was, though his job to ask probing questions about every policy that came across his desk. shadow education secretary bridget phillipson says she's sceptical. >> it's far from clear whether the plan will have sent any one to rwanda because, you know, we've sent more home secretaries to rwanda than we have asylum seekers. and even if the even if rwanda were to be an effective intervention, well, it intervention, well, even if it were to effective, you're were to be effective, you're talking about between 100 to 200 asylum seekers. it's1% talking about between 100 to 200 asylum seekers. it's 1% of the backlog of claims that we're facing at the moment. so it's just not the answer. it's a gimmick. what we to have is gimmick. what we need to have is a plan. as labour is set a serious plan. as labour is set out around tackling those cases, that backlog of cases and that huge backlog of cases and ending use of inappropriate ending the use of inappropriate accommodation hotels, accommodation such as hotels, the uk is set to invest £300 million in fuel to power the

next generation of nuclear reactors. >> the funding will support domestic production of uranium fuel that's required by most reactors , and it's currently reactors, and it's currently only commercially produced by russia. the government hopes the programme will allow the uk to supply reactor fuel to the rest of the world, and therefore to help further isolate moscow and the investigators are hunting for part of the fuselage that blew off an alaska airlines aircraft yesterday while it was mid—air. dozens of planes have been grounded in the us after the plane made an emergency landing . when a hole appeared landing. when a hole appeared where the window had previously been, 177 people were on board and luckily no one was hurt. the us airlines regulator has ordered inspections of all boeing 737 max nine jets, and investigators believe the piece of the plane is somewhere near portland in oregon . and they're portland in oregon. and they're asking anyone who might find it to contact the police . this is to contact the police. this is gb news for more, we're on tv, digital, radio and on our website, gb news dot com. now

though, it's time for the camilla tominey show. >> good morning . welcome back to >> good morning. welcome back to the first camilla tominey show of 2024. now joining me in the studio is doctor sir liam fox, conservative mp for north somerset, former defence secretary and conservative party chairman . i say doctor sir liam chairman. i say doctor sir liam fox, because you were knighted very recently, weren't you.7 yes, indeed. >> new year's honours list. >> new year's honours list. >> very happy about that. i would imagine. of course it's nice. >> um, but i like to think it's particularly because of the, the work i was doing with the down syndrome. and the role that i took through and the and the charity us time that i run, charity give us time that i run, that gives uh, uh, holidays to service families. so like service families. um, so i like to think it's not just for me. it's for them. good, good stuff. >> well, huge congrats , nations.

>> well, huge congrats, nations. let's get stuck into tory politics now, because obviously it's going to be a seminal year for the conservative party chris skidmore announcing his resignation. um, seems to me resignation. um, it seems to me that handed a pass to that he's handed a pass to labour this. he was the labour on this. he was the energy minister for the government has said that actually it wants to renew more oil gas licences into the oil and gas licences into the future because there's an acceptance we have acceptance that we still have a reliance fuels, reliance on fossil fuels, despite the approach to net zero. and yet at the same time, he said, well, no, sorry, this isn't good enough for me. and it seems to be siding with keir starmer about this issue. and therefore once again is undermined. the minister, undermined. the prime minister, we've got by elections we've got three by elections still what's your still to come. what's your reaction to that? >> well, first all, i think >> well, first of all, i think he's on substance and he's wrong on substance and energy country energy security for the country is that we've got is about ensuring that we've got sufficient in the sufficient variety in the sources of our energy. we're going to have to use oil and gas for a long time, even if we decarbonise our economy. yes. um, and therefore makes sense to have security of supply, not be dependent on someone else to supply it to us, but to have it

for ourselves. i think that is good governance. i think the prime minister is right on that. and then i think there's the second issue. if your seat is being abolished in the boundary changes, which could skidmore's is an unnecessary is and you cause an unnecessary by—election it's not only costing taxpayers money, it's a slap in the face to your own party workers who've loyally tried elected over tried to get you elected over the to your parliamentary the years to your parliamentary colleagues and the wider party. and think it's self—indulgent and i think it's self—indulgent and i think it's disloyal. >> fair enough. think >> okay, fair enough. i think chris obviously isn't chris skidmore obviously isn't here defend himself, but at here to defend himself, but at the same time, there is this question what comes next question of what comes next for rishi how do you think, rishi sunak. how do you think, as a former party chairman , this as a former party chairman, this election is going to pan out? what's your reaction, first of all, to the announcement that we should have an autumn rather than election? you than a spring election? you might caught john sergeant might have caught john sergeant there, who was a seasoned professional to professional when it comes to watching matters. he's watching such matters. and he's making the why not go in making the point why not go in the have really strong the spring, have a really strong budget march and take the budget in march and take the country early? show country to the polls early? show confidence your policies confidence in your own policies rather the summer rather than leaving the summer to doubt, small

to happen more. no doubt, small boats across the boats arrivals across the channel that could destabilise the conservatives position when it comes to the autumn . it comes to the autumn. >> well, of course, all the opfions >> well, of course, all the options remain open to a prime minister. uh especially now that we got rid of the five year parliament act. but of course, you need to look at the other way as well. if inflation continues to fall, people feel more money in their pockets. they've just had a tax cut with the cut in national insurance this people will begin to this week, people will begin to feel off. and it's often feel better off. and it's often about as an about expectations, as in an election, government needs about expectations, as in an el

jobs. we not done that, we jobs. had we not done that, we wouldn't have our economy growing faster, been thanked for furlough, though, has he? >> i mean, conservatives >> i mean, the conservatives never get thanked for giving people money. the people money. this is the trouble. already, trouble. and so he's already, you know, conservatives you you know, the conservatives you still of 13 still have this narrative of 13 years of tory rule 14. now we can say because we're in 2024 liam. and at the end of the day, you've got reform and the prospect of nigel farage prospect of a nigel farage resurgence threatening . resurgence really threatening. the party, isn't it? simply because rishi sunak and his cabinet are too wet? they're more left wing than you are? the conservative just aren't conservative just aren't conservative enough. and that's why reform are coming in. >> no, i think i think to finish what i was saying, i think it's partly that not telling partly that we're not telling this a, as a, as a this story as a, as a, as a whole narrative. if we hadn't, if we hadn't had the furlough, if we hadn't had the furlough, if we hadn't kept the economy afloat, wouldn't be growing afloat, we wouldn't be growing faster germany. faster than france or germany. after that after the pandemic. that wouldn't to wouldn't have allowed us to spend 78 billion. after the russian invasion of ukraine, when prices went up . and when prices went up. and sometimes think that, um, sometimes i think that, um,

politic wins, especially when a party has in for office a party has been in for office a while, they forget they while, they forget that they have tell a whole story. it's have to tell a whole story. it's not just about delivery. that's what does. it's about the what ocado does. it's about the vision have for country. vision we have for the country. we believe a in a smaller we believe in a in a smaller state, we believe lower tax. state, we believe in lower tax. we believe that we should give people freedom to make. people greater freedom to make. >> you can only tell that story. you can only tell the story of sort of thatcherite politics that believe in tax that you believe in lower tax and you believe in and spend, that you believe in enabung and spend, that you believe in enabling businesses to be deregulated and have to deregulated and have freedom to succeed and employ more people. if you're actually doing it. the perception the conservative perception of the conservative government right now they're government right now is they're doing opposite of what doing the opposite of what thatcher well, actually , thatcher did. well, actually, we're high tax. we're high spend . are tied up . businesses are being tied up in unnecessary bureaucratic knots. , would you start a knots. i mean, would you start a business in the uk today, liam. >> yes, as lots of really do start ups, start ups with corporation tax 6% higher than it was start don't start it was start ups don't start businesses starting up don't pay corporation tax. and mrs. thatcher faced with a thatcher wasn't faced with a global pandemic , but she was faced. >> she's faced with a winter of

discontent in the 70s as well. >> that was before she came to office, i know, so she the foundations weren't great and she grew the economy. so because remember, we took that government deficit down from a phenomenal number that labour left behind , which they would do left behind, which they would do again, back down to only 2. that enabled us to be able to spend the money on the pandemic. now, if we hadn't had the pandemic, we'd have been in a great position. yeah to reduce taxes. i that all of that. i appreciate that all of that. and it's only because of our success in controlling public finance rebalancing finance and rebalancing them that able to deal with that we were able to deal with that we were able to deal with that global emergency. people, i think, don't appreciate that. and the problem there and part of the problem there is that tell the story. that we don't tell the story. and think that we need to and i think that we need to explain that better. and explain that much better. and rishi of great rishi sunak, one of his great achievements chancellor, achievements as chancellor, was being all those being able to keep all those small businesses afloat 11.7 million he million jobs protected, he wouldn't have been able to do that george osborne hadn't as that if george osborne hadn't as chancellor got those, uh, public finances back in balance. but what would you like to see in the budget in march?

>> because there's been talk about scrapping iht. would you support about scrapping iht. would you supp would rather see that we >> i would rather see that we got threshold back under got our threshold back under control, we took people control, and we took people out of and think that if your of tax. and i think that if your message is that people have had to pay more because we've to pay more tax because we've faced the pandemic and, and the consequences invasion consequences of putin's invasion of people of ukraine, and people understood that we had to get our balance back after that. if the message was that ordinary people have to pay more tax to get us over that hump, then once we're past it, our priorities got get that tax back got to be to get that tax back down again, not iht, which down again, not not iht, which is inheritance tax, doesn't is an inheritance tax, doesn't affect that very many people. and talk about the and so when you talk about the thresholds, you worried thresholds, are you worried about fiscal drag people about this fiscal drag of people into now £52,000. into the top rate now £52,000. >> even heard that rishi >> we even heard that rishi sunak met with, um, dominic sunak had met with, um, dominic cummings. had suggested cummings. cummings had suggested raising that threshold from 52,000 to 100,000. is that the kind of radical move that the chancellor is going to have to come up with? >> well, we should do what we can get taxes down. um but can to get taxes down. um but not public finances at not put our public finances at risk again. and we've made a lot of progress . um, we had this

of progress. um, we had this terrible problem with public finances during the pandemic. we've got past that now. we need to do what conservatives do well, which is sound, sensible, predictable economic management so people and businesses so that people and businesses can plan for the future with much less uncertainty than they've had. >> how worried are you about the threat from reform currently polling 10% some polling at about 10% in some polls, polling above the liberal democrats? >> well, i think that says more about the liberal democrats than anything else. >> a lot about the >> it says a lot about the tories, though, doesn't it? >> you'll see. >> well, i think you'll see. i think see the think you'll see the conservatives recover. um as, as governments often do. do think governments often do. i do think that at that and i think i look at elections like 92, you know, when are right up until when we are right up until polling day, people said we had no chance of winning. we actually won with an overall majority. if you think of the years up where years even up to 1987, where mrs. thatcher had horrible years in 85 and 86, but the government recovered when you recovered because it's when you get to an election, it's not an opinion it's a choice and opinion poll. it's a choice and it be whether you actually it won't be whether you actually like the tories or it will like the tories or not, it will be whether it's whether you

think tories will think the tories will be a better government. >> be problematic if >> but it'd be problematic if nigel the helm of nigel farage takes the helm of reform, it? reform, won't it? >> we managed to win the >> well, we managed to win the elections was at the elections when he was at the helm ukip and of course that helm of ukip and of course that actually damaged labour at least as i think, it damaged as much, i think, as it damaged the conservatives and the liberal are liberal democrats are a particular problem. you would liberal democrats are a parti(expected lem. you would liberal democrats are a parti(expected them’ou would liberal democrats are a parti(expected them to would liberal democrats are a parti(expected them to have d have expected them to have recovered more in the recovered much more in the current circumstances. they've not all. uh, and not recovered at all. uh, and that leaves a bit of a vacuum on that. >> very briefly. do you think david's got questions to answer on this post office scandal? yeah, i do, i think that, um, if was it credible that you had an outbreak of criminality amongst subpostmasters , um, without subpostmasters, um, without questioning that ? questioning that? >> and i think part of the problem is this, uh, if it's if the choice between people and it you presume that the it is correct and not the people. yeah. um and that's a, that's a modern day the liberal democrat leader should do what explain himself in the house of commons. i think he will have to explain in the house of commons the decisions at time or

decisions he took at the time or the he didn't take at the decisions he didn't take at the decisions he didn't take at the time, and why he thought that, know, this was if that, you know, this was if officials that there's officials tell you that there's a of criminality, a big outbreak of criminality, you simply accept that. >> can i ask you a quick yes >> and can i ask you a quick yes or question? paula or no question? um, paula vennells , paula vennells and her vennells, paula vennells and her cbe should she be stripped of it? >> i don't know. um, i think that's always a difficult question because , uh, people question because, uh, people make mistakes. what else have they done to get that award ? they done to get that award? that's not for me to say. >> okay, lots more to come. i'm going to be speaking to the chief secretary to the treasury, laura trott, in just a moment. stay tuned.

all rely on, unless we can afford private health care, and i can't if we cut taxes, how on earth are we going to improve those? >> welcome back . now, still lots >> welcome back. now, still lots more to come in. just a minute. i'm going to be joined by the chair of the one nation group of tory mps, damian green, laura trott, the chief secretary to the treasury, will also be speaking to i'll be

speaking to me and i'll be discussing all things education with phillipson she's with bridget phillipson. she's the secretary the shadow education secretary i'm to joined by i'm also going to be joined by polling expert matt goodwin, who's on hand to who's going to be on hand to talk us through where the polls are we enter 2024. first of are as we enter 2024. first of all, damian green are as we enter 2024. first of all, the damian green are as we enter 2024. first of all, the conversationn green are as we enter 2024. first of all, the conversation now. en are as we enter 2024. first of all, the conversation now. he's into the conversation now. he's the conservative mp for ashford. he's chair one nation he's chair of the one nation caucus of tory mps, former de facto and facto deputy prime minister and policing lovely policing minister damian lovely to see you this morning. let's talk about one nation talk about your one nation group. right blame group. many on the right blame you because , as they say, that you because, as they say, that you're too soft as tories. you're much like lib dems . you're too much like lib dems. you're too much like lib dems. you're that are you're the ones that are heralding in this reform resurgence with the possibility now of nigel farage re—entering the fray . is that fair the political fray. is that fair criticism? no >> every bit of that is wrong. why because we're not liberal democrats. we're conservatives. >> you're soft tories, though. >> you're soft tories, though. >> we're a conservative tradition that goes back for as long as the conservative party has existed as an organisation. yes, actually believing in patriotism and the rule of law sound finance, the sort of traditional conservative virtues, seems to me a very good

kind of conservatism. >> net zero. is that a traditional conservative? well, policy net zero is a policy that was passed by a conservative government and promoted by the conservative prime minister. >> it was theresa may's government that passed the net zero obligation. the prime minister has followed it minister that has followed it most enthusiastically boris most enthusiastically was boris johnson, who last time looked johnson, who last time i looked wouldn't necessarily be regarded as a soft. >> although many on the right felt that that the main in felt that that was the main in his armour. >> well, people can disagree with net zero if they like, but but conserving the planet but it is conserving the planet is a basic duty of people who believe in conserving our own country the best of our traditions that actually conservation in the widest sense is a lot of what conservatism is about. >> but at the same time, you've incurred the wrath of the grassroots. you had this situation where you were deselect did what was that all about? it wasn't about some about? if it wasn't about some of issues, that was about of these issues, that was about people who objected the people who objected to the system having an mp having an system of having an mp having an automatic right to my

constituency was cut in half, and been selected for the and i've been selected for the other half of it. >> yes. so it was reported at the time as some some great political coup. um but it wasn't. >> yeah, some might wonder, having served for 26 years, why are you wanting to run again if the tories are facing what many pollsters predict as a sort of electoral oblivion? >> well, because i don't think we are. i think there is a chance we've now seen the economy . uh, chance we've now seen the economy. uh, begin to turn. we've seen success on inflation and in the end, that that old bill clinton era cliche of it's the economy, stupid is, by and large, true. and i think we will have, over the course of this yean have, over the course of this year, a good economic story to tell. i think not just on inflation. i think it's very likely all the signals are that we will see a significant tax cuts. would you like to see that? >> what would you like to see? cut there's been talk about cutting inheritance tax. there's been talk about raising the threshold 52,000 to something

higher. dominic cummings in his meetings with rishi sunak, has suggested be raised to suggested it be raised to £100,000. your reaction £100,000. what's your reaction to idea? to that idea? >> i want the chancellor >> well, i want the chancellor to much as he can to do as much as he can responsibly to we've responsibly afford to do. we've seen happens you try seen what happens when you try and tax cuts that people and do tax cuts that people think can't be afforded. so as much as possible and aimed at as many people as possible . so many people as possible. so i think that it's got to be seen, to be fair , it's got to be to be fair, it's got to be putting their own money back in their hands of as as many hard working people as possible. >> so, i mean, is it fair to tax people on inheritance as well in . an ideal world, you wouldn't. >> so would you scrap iht? well, not. well, i don't know what the chancellor's , but i mean just chancellor's, but i mean just a personal opinion. but you know, i would make the point that the i would make the point that the i think the chancellor should concentrate it, um, possibly on on income measures first. on income tax measures first. >> so is it fair for >> okay. so is it fair for people but also the other point i would make is that got lost in this discussion is that i think an essential part of both a

healthy society and actually a society that is, is, if you like, more conservative is home ownership. >> and i would very much like to see the chancellor do something in the budget to promote people onto the housing ladder for the first time, to help young people become because become homeowners, because i think young people is think helping young people is really for the party. really important for the party. we've we've lot of we've we've lost a lot of support from young people and also home ownership is long also home ownership is a long run virtue view in this country. and i want to see conservative governments promote that. >> but when it comes to fair policies, is it fair that somebody £52,000 pays somebody on £52,000 a year pays 40% well i think, you know, 40% tax? well i think, you know, i would like to see everyone at every level paying less tax to do that , you need to take tough do that, you need to take tough decisions about public spending. >> and you can't just go for tax cuts without saying, you know, we've got to the public we've got to get the public finances shape first. and finances in shape first. and i very agree with what liam very much agree with what liam fox has just been talking to you, saying you about that you, saying to you about that you're you're hopeful you're saying you're hopeful about next general election, about the next general election, whenever that be. whenever that may be. >> probably second half of

>> probably the second half of this the prime minister this year, if the prime minister is believed. at is to be believed. but at the same it's your that same time, it's your caucus that is a thorn in his side when it comes to this rwanda plan. because one hand, you're because on one hand, you're saying that won't for saying that you won't vote for it it's amended. and on the it if it's amended. and on the other hand, got the other hand, you've got the i don't know, they're calling them the of families of the sort of five families of other caucuses saying they other tory caucuses saying they won't it unless it's won't vote for it unless it's amended. once even amended. so once again, even though sunak facing though rishi sunak is facing the toughest electoral test of his life, we've got your tories arguing with other tories in the party. the you've party. yeah but the fact you've missed is that if my missed out of that is that if my toys you want to describe that one nation conservatives voted with minister, with the prime minister, supported minister and supported the prime minister and my and colleagues. so my friends and colleagues. so you him again if you will support him again if the legislation amended . the legislation is amended. >> have said no, no, we've >> we have said no, no, we've said that we we want what said that we want we want what the government has proposed. we have reservations about it, of course, will course, and individuals will have reservations, but have different reservations, but nevertheless, know, nevertheless, yes, you know, partly because we can accept it. it doesn't break the law. it doesn't break our international obligations, but also because we are players. we have got are team players. we have got behind the prime minister. >> but you be team players

>> but you won't be team players if mark francois has his way wrong. bill cash and mark wrong. so if bill cash and mark francois have their way and amend the legislation, you won't vote so your team vote for it. so your only team players, agrees players, if your team agrees with legislation? with the legislation? >> well, i would ask bill cash and mark francois stop trying and mark francois to stop trying to the legislation to get to amend the legislation to get behind the prime minister. >> well, saying it's not >> well, they're saying it's not going effective at being a going to be effective at being a deterrent people to deterrent to deport people to rwanda. still not deported rwanda. we're still not deported anyonecourse haven't. and >> of course we haven't. and that's why the government is putting this bill. but putting forward this bill. but i am happy to support the. am quite happy to support the. >> want to see anyone >> do you want to see anyone deported >> do you want to see anyone depdo ad >> do you want to see anyone depdo ii >> do you want to see anyone depdo i want to see anyone? yeah >> do i want to see anyone? yeah well, i want the boats to stop. >> but do you want to see anyone deported to rwanda? >> works, the government >> if it works, the government says going as says it's going to act as a deterrent. i'm happy to accept. uh, you it will work on uh, do you think it will work on that? think it will act as a that? i think it will act as a deterrent. yeah, but do you think it will actually work? >> do think we're going to >> do you think we're going to see people deported rwanda? see people deported to rwanda? >> yeah. see people deported to rwanda? >> and yeah. see people deported to rwanda? >> and you're yeah. see people deported to rwanda? >> and you're okay yeah. see people deported to rwanda? >> and you're okay wilhi. see people deported to rwanda? >> and you're okay with that? >> and you're okay with that? >> yeah. as long as as as >> yeah. as long as as long as we meet our international obligations. i mean, that's that's really important. that's what's really important.

this take away the this stuff about take away the idea away any idea that you can take away any individual's to appeal individual's rights to appeal on any case. that's quite any court case. that's quite dangerous. someone dangerous. if you send someone back, be in danger back, who would be in danger there, then that's not the right thing. think thing. but don't you think that illegal are just illegal immigrants are just giving the government the complete giving the government the completaren't you as frustrated >> and aren't you as frustrated as on the or as anybody on the right or wherever else? at some of these people clinging to people who are clinging on to their rights, even though their human rights, even though some of them have committed crimes this country, be crimes in this country, can't be deported? it? >> it's well, it's failure of >> it's well, it's a failure of the law as it currently stands . the law as it currently stands. yes. and so you . know, it is up yes. and so you. know, it is up to parliament if it wants to, to, uh, to change the law. but i think we need to change the law, uh, when we do as we do all the time, what parliament does in a responsible way that that meets our international obligations and that britain and accepts that for britain to join and belarus being join russia and belarus being outside echr , for example, outside the echr, for example, the convention on human the european convention on human rights would be strange rights would be a strange position for britain to be in,

as well as the effects on things like agreement as well as the effects on things likei agreement as well as the effects on things likei want agreement as well as the effects on things likei want to agreement as well as the effects on things likei want to ask agreement as well as the effects on things likei want to ask youlgreement as well as the effects on things likei want to ask you areement as well as the effects on things likei want to ask you a couplet as well as the effects on things likei want to ask you a couple of >> i want to ask you a couple of questions about policing so very briefly, to chris briefly, your reaction to chris skidmore announcing his resignation down? resignation on standing down? >> appalled by that. >> i'm pretty appalled by that. are you i'm disappointed that chris he chris has done that. he was he was abolished. was was his seats abolished. he was standing down anyway. this is a wholly by—election. wholly unnecessary by—election. i being he i think he's being has he betrayed prime minister? betrayed the prime minister? yeah, i think i mean, i think the prime minister will be entirely justified feel very, the prime minister will be entircrossstified feel very, the prime minister will be entircross about feel very, the prime minister will be entircross about thiseel very, the prime minister will be entircross about this and ery, the prime minister will be entircross about this and all very cross about this and all his, constituency workers his, his constituency workers who presumably for who presumably supported him for years. i talk to you in your >> um, can i talk to you in your capacity as a former policing minister about a couple of things. first the police things. first of all, the police are now investigating the post office. view office. what's your view of paula she have paula vennells? should she have her away? her cbe taken away? >> well, the committee that looks that has asked the looks at that has asked the government but personal opinion damian i, damian oh personal opinion i, i personally it would personally think that it would it do her credit if she it would do her credit if she voluntarily had. >> mean 600,000 have >> yes back. i mean 600,000 have now signed petition . i now signed a petition. i appreciate people now appreciate that people are now more with this scandal more familiar with this scandal because itv documentary, because of the itv documentary, but taken any but nobody's taken any responsibility at all. responsibility for this at all. should take some responsibility? >> ed davey has got

>> i think ed davey has got a lot of questions answer. it's lot of questions to answer. it's as know, ex—ministers will. as you know, ex—ministers will. i was thinking, well, what would i was thinking, well, what would ihave i was thinking, well, what would i have done? i like to think i have done? and i like to think that if i'd been told that hundreds of subpostmasters have suddenly , i suddenly become criminals, i would have asked questions about that because all my experience of subpostmasters that they of subpostmasters is that they are definition of pillars of are the definition of pillars of the community and so the idea that hundreds of them suddenly were indulging in, in fraud and criminality was always an extraordinary accusation. >> ed davey replies to mr bates and says, no, we shouldn't have and says, no, we shouldn't have a meeting. this isn't of interest. yeah, exactly. >> and that's why i think ed davey has got very serious questions to answer on this. i think he's in big trouble. >> let's talk about a very, very tragic the death harry tragic story. the death of harry pitman. be careful pitman. we have to be careful because proceedings are active. but in general, i mean, as a mother, 13 year old mother, i've got a 13 year old son. he sometimes likes to go to camden his mates near where camden with his mates near where this happened new this incident happened on new year's think are year's eve. i think parents are frightened children. frightened for their children. at crime has at the moment, knife crime has increased 40% in the capital,

increased by 40% in the capital, so solution to this so what's the solution to this problem, is it more stop problem, damian? is it more stop and search? >> think i think there are two >> i think i think there are two solutions. a government solutions. there's a government solutions. there's a government solution a police solution and a police operational which is operational solution, which is obviously independent obviously that's an independent decision constables . decision for chief constables. and case, the and in this case, the commissioner the met, commissioner of the met, the government's has to government's contribution has to be make sure that you have be to make sure that you have enough police officers . and enough police officers. and that's a commitment that we've met in 2019. we said we would have 20,000 extra police officers. and i know in my part officers. and i know in my part of the world in kent, there are more police out there than we've ever had. now that's good. that's what it's not. >> perception >> the perception of your constituents, it? constituents, though, is it? >> and because and >> no it isn't. and because and it is true, people haven't yet noticed. and that brings me on to the other point, which is operational. those police need to be deployed doing the things that that my constituents and the general public more widely want to see happen . and that want to see happen. and that will absolutely be in london. tackling knife crime all around the country , making sure that the country, making sure that every burglary, every house

breaking is properly investigated as soon as possible. people want the police to be doing that rather than some of the other things that that they're criticised for doing. and, and that, as i say , doing. and, and that, as i say, it is not for politicians to tell any individual police officer, go and investigate that crime rather than this crime, but that is the job of chief constable. so i hope that around the country, chief constables will take the message that they need to be policing the streets. they've now got the resources to do it. they should be policing the streets in the way that the general public want to see them policed. i interview politicians. i always to like to ask >> i always ask to like to ask one question with just a yes or no answer. if you're capable, how often ever do that? how often do they ever do that? very very rarely. i've got to be honest. think that honest. do you think that the prime minister was to have prime minister was right to have met dominic cummings as met with dominic cummings as prime minister last year? prime minister twice last year? um, or no? um, yes or no? >> uh, i wouldn't have done so. >> uh, i wouldn't have done so. >> so that's a no. thank you very much, damian green, for joining me this morning. very much, damian green, for joining me this morning . lovely joining me this morning. lovely to speak to you

>> but there's a generation in between who've been corrupted by it, and i hope that they can come out of this . come out of this. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show. lovely to have your company. i'm delighted to say that bridget phillipson, the shadow secretary, shadow education secretary, joins also the joins me now. she's also the labour houghton and labour mp for houghton and sunderland nice to see sunderland south. nice to see you, miss phillipson. thank you very forjoining me. this very much forjoining me. this morning. now you've said that you rishi sunak to come you want rishi sunak to come clean rwanda. you're clean about rwanda. you're calling for the publication of documents indicate documents which seem to indicate that minister isn't that the prime minister isn't exactly enthused by his own central immigration plan . central immigration plan. although my question to labour would be how on earth does that help the crisis involving help solve the crisis involving illegal coming to illegal immigrants coming to this in their droves ? this country in their droves? >> yeah, the prime minister this morning again refused to answer questions on this. i think it was far from clear about why his position has changed. it's because it's all about the conservative party. it's about internal management. there it's not getting not actually about getting serious about dealing with the

cross border smuggling gangs, about making sure we are effective at tackling that, that we're cutting the backlog where it comes to asylum cases and stopping use stopping the use of inappropriate hyatt hotels. that's what labour's plan involves tough the involves getting tough on the gangs and making sure we're clearing that backlog . clearing that backlog. >> but if you don't support the rwanda plan, what i'd like to know if labour does come into know is if labour does come into power people have been sent power and people have been sent to kigali, would then to kigali, what would you then do people? bring them home. >> well, it's far from clear whether the plan will have sent anyone to rwanda because, you know, we've sent more home secretaries to rwanda than we have asylum seekers. but if it does, even if rwanda were to be an effective intervention , well, an effective intervention, well, even if it were to be effective, you're talking about between 100 to 200 asylum seekers. it's1% to 200 asylum seekers. it's 1% of the backlog of claims that we're facing at the moment. so it's just not the answer. it's a gimmick. need to have is gimmick. what we need to have is a serious plan. as labour are set around tackling those set out around tackling those cases, backlog cases, that huge backlog of cases, that huge backlog of cases and ending the use of

inappropriate such inappropriate accommodation such as . as hotels. >> let's get on to your patch now. in education, i saw the interview that you did this morning with the sunday times. i know you're speaking csj know you're speaking at the csj this social this week. the centre for social justice. they've just come out with a report about missing children. lot of children. they've done a lot of reports missing children reports on the missing children of particularly , and of lockdown, particularly, and they've up with this they've come up with this stunning to suggest stunning statistic to suggest that 1 in 4 parents are pretty casual about whether or not they send their children to school . i send their children to school. i mean, are these parents bad parents? phillipson ? parents? miss phillipson? >> it's deeply concerning the levels of persistent absenteeism that we're seeing. i mean, my message to parents is that it's vital that children are in school every day at school counts. it has an impact not just on their kids life chances, but also on the learning and opportunities for everyone in the because what i hear the class. because what i hear from that is from teachers is that it is disruptive. if you've got people in and they're not in in school and they're not in school. is a complex school. i know this is a complex issue that we're facing, and it does require a long terme plan. that's what i'll be setting out this in speech that i'm

this week in the speech that i'm giving . but we've got to get giving. but we've got to get serious about it. there has to be an urgency and the plans that i'm setting out will provide support for parents families support for parents and families who struggling. mental who are struggling. so mental health counsellors in our secondary mental secondary schools, mental health, mental health, open access mental health, open access mental health hubs in our communities because about parents because it's about parents doing their but about government their bit. but about government doing our bit as well. and that's what an incoming labour government do. government would do. >> an incoming labour >> okay, but an incoming labour government also to put government is also going to put vat school fees. the vat on private school fees. the independent council independent schools council predicts this could cause predicts that this could cause 40,000 to leave the 40,000 pupils to leave the private , and then need to private sector, and then need to be educated in the public sector. how on earth is the labour party going to be able to produce enough classrooms and indeed teachers to indeed enough teachers to educate the children that can no longer be educated private longer be educated in private schools ? schools? >> i believe that children in our state schools deserve urgent access to mental health support more than private schools need tax breaks, and that's just a straightforward question of political priorities. by ending the that private the tax breaks that private schools enjoy will deliver

better mental support better mental health, support more our more teachers into our classrooms access classrooms, and improved access to for our youngest to help for our youngest children as well. that's what drives me. that is my priority, and simply don't accept a lot and i simply don't accept a lot of what's been said the of what's been said from the independent schools and independent schools council and my focus will be on driving the life chances of the vast majority of children in our country who attend state schools, and 93% of kids in our country. >> see, okay, so let's just say a conservative estimate that the isc is overexaggerated and the exodus happen exodus that could happen as a result flagship, frankly result of your flagship, frankly , education policy and only 20,000 private school pupils leave and need to be educated in a state schools practically . how a state schools practically. how on earth are you going to educate them? where are they going to be accommodated? you're educate them? where are they goirone» be accommodated? you're educate them? where are they goirone that's:commodated? you're educate them? where are they goirone that's beemodated? you're educate them? where are they goirone that's been banging you're educate them? where are they goirone that's been banging on j're the one that's been banging on since you've post that since you've been in post that we have enough teachers we don't have enough teachers and that classrooms are too full. are you physically full. so how are you physically going educate these children going to educate these children whose parents no longer whose parents can no longer afford fees . afford the fees. >> because if you look at the work from the institute for fiscal studies, the independent body that's considered all of

this, they're clear that our policy would raise between 1.3 to £1.5 billion net. so taking account of all of that, that's a considerable sum of money that we could invest. i would say alongside that, private schools have year after put up have year after year put up their way beyond inflation. their fees way beyond inflation. well beyond the means most well beyond the means of most parents, including class parents, including middle class parents, including middle class parents, the parents, who might have in the past sending their past considered sending their children on to private school. but in addition to that, what we're also seeing is, is a demographic shift. that means, sadly, we're in the position at the moment where schools are merging and closing because of the falling numbers children the falling numbers of children that in our country that we're seeing in our country of age. i'm sorry, but of school age. i'm sorry, but you're still not addressing the question. >> i'm asking you in practical terms. are going to have terms. are you going to have makeshift shift classrooms set up? because kids, starmer said that you're expediting this policy. to policy. you're not going to waste time. so people could waste any time. so people could already pre—emptively be thinking, i'm going to pull my kids out of school come september. we've got an autumn election. you're points ahead september. we've got an autumn el

to soon as you to accommodate as soon as you get thousands more get into office? thousands more children the state system . children in the state system. >> as i say, i simply don't accept some of the rhetoric from the independent schools council. but what we are seeing at the moment is what we're seeing at the moment in terms of a demographic shift within our schools, means that we are seeing fewer and children seeing fewer and fewer children of school coming through the of school age coming through the system. we're in system. actually, we're in a position in position where, you know, in many parts the country, many parts of the country, schools starting to merge or schools are starting to merge or to close because of that shift. so but i just i just don't accept i'm sorry accept the rationale. i'm sorry that say saying that i would say saying you don't decisions. private don't accept decisions. private schools got they schools have got choices they can make. schools have got choices they canshadow minister. >> shadow minister. >> shadow minister. >> i'm sorry that they can make to you know, that's not to in the you know, that's not a practical answer to my question. >> we've >> and equally we've got a number of smaller number of much smaller independent that independent schools saying that they you've got they face closure. so you've got a whammy of parents a double whammy of parents pulling their out pulling their children out of private and private private schools and some private schools you're schools closing. you're advocating policy that is advocating a policy that is closing schools down. what is going to happen in a practical sense to those pupils when labour gets into power ? you

labour gets into power? you could be into power one month after the new school, terme and have a load of pupils with no classroom to attend . what's classroom to attend. what's going to happen to them . going to happen to them. >> well, in terms of what private schools have been seeing, one private school last week was saying that they wouldn't pass on any vat fees to parents, that they would absorb that cost and they would make it work. are cost work. i think there are cost savings that private schools could make. they've their could make. they've put up their fees above inflation in fees 20% above inflation in recent it is way beyond recent years. it is way beyond the most of your the means of most of your viewers to send their children to private school. more to private school. 15.5 more than 15, £16,000 a year on average for one child. it's beyond most of the people that i represent, and i imagine it's beyond most of your viewers. and that's why i want to focus on delivering a brilliant state education for the vast majority of our children in this country who schools. that's who go to state schools. that's my priority. >> as far as i can tell, >> so. so as far as i can tell, we're going to have possibly thousands children without thousands of children without school september, school places in september, potentially. ,

potentially. but anyway, ampleforth it. eton potentially. but anyway, amjaffordi it. eton potentially. but anyway, amjaffordi lots it. eton potentially. but anyway, amjaffordi lots much:on can afford it. lots of much smaller have told the smaller schools have told the isc they'll have to close down. isc they'll have to close down. i ask everybody on this i like to ask everybody on this show. show of the year a show. first show of the year a yes no question. if you don't mind, phillipson, chris mind, miss phillipson, chris skidmore , he's abandoned the skidmore, he's abandoned the tories. you like to see tories. would you like to see him cross the floor? would you take skidmore into the take chris skidmore into the labour no ? uh . take chris skidmore into the labour no ? uh. i'm labour party? yes or no? uh. i'm not, i'm not especially interested in that. >> no, to be honest, i'm more interested in winning the by—election in kingswood that are about to that's what are about to have. that's what i'm most interested in. and we'll really tough we'll be fighting a really tough campaign all right. campaign there. all right. >> enough. thank you very >> fair enough. thank you very much for speaking me this much for speaking to me this morning, phillipson. morning, bridget phillipson. thank you. now don't go anywhere because i'm because in just a minute i'm going speaking to laura because in just a minute i'm going don't speaking to laura because in just a minute i'm going don't move .ing to laura because in just a minute i'm going don't move a g to laura because in just a minute i'm going don't move a muscle.ra trott. don't move a muscle. we'll see you very .

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for laura trott. the chief secretary to the treasury, to be prepared for our interview. in the meantime, i'm going to bring matt goodwin in and ask you a little bit about what going little bit about what i'm going to laura trott about to talk to laura trott about matt's the professor in politics and pollster a lot of and pollster at does a lot of polling for at news. so polling for us at gb news. so thank very much for that, thank you very much for that, matt. we're going to come back to a bit later in the show, to you a bit later in the show, but just give me taster, but just give me a taster, because i found interesting because i found it interesting to see morning that the to see this morning that the prime minister is doubling down to see this morning that the prime five ster is doubling down to see this morning that the prime five ster isplan. ling down to see this morning that the prime five ster isplan. he] down to see this morning that the prime five ster isplan. he says n on his five point plan. he says the is working i'm the plan is working and i'm going to with the plan. going to stick with the plan. the plan isn't working, though, is isn't. is it? no it isn't. >> if you look at the polling, the latest polling that's come out over last few days, out over the last few days, we've this with gb news. we've done this with gb news. um, conservatives are in um, the conservatives are in deep flatlining um, the conservatives are in deep 23, flatlining um, the conservatives are in deep 23, 24% flatlining um, the conservatives are in deep 23, 24% range flatlining um, the conservatives are in deep 23, 24% range ofatlining um, the conservatives are in deep 23, 24% range of the ing in the 23, 24% range of the national vote. we've just national vote. um, we've just had damian green studio had damian green in the studio saying, hope voters saying, well, they hope voters are going to feel the big economic recovery. we know they're ask voters they're not. if you ask voters today, are getting better today, are things getting better or worse for you? more than half things are the country say things are getting two thirds say getting worse. two thirds say they to see change in they want to see change in westminster. very westminster. they're very pessimistic about the cost of

living crisis. also, as we living crisis. but also, as we saw in that exchange between michael portillo damian michael portillo and damian green you green, um, immigration, if you look those conservative look at those 2019 conservative voters , boris johnson's voters, voters, boris johnson's voters, the top issue for all those voters is not the cost of living crisis. it's stopping the boats the number one priority. so rishi sunak , he can say, look, rishi sunak, he can say, look, we're sticking to the plan. but as far as voters out there are concerned, it's not cutting through. they're not feeling the decline in inflation. they're not seeing progress on the small boats . and generally they feel boats. and generally they feel that britain is moving in the wrong direction . wrong direction. >> matt, hold that thought because i'm coming back to you after this. and laura trott's ready now, uh, the chief secretary to the treasury joins me. lovely this me. lovely to see you this morning. she's also the conservative mp for sevenoaks . conservative mp for sevenoaks. hello, nice to hello, minister. nice to see you. prime minister you. look, the prime minister has going has said this morning he's going to stick with his five point plan because the is plan because the plan is working. the problem with working. the only problem with that, course, the that, of course, is that the plan working. i've just plan isn't working. i've just heard goodwin, who's heard from matt goodwin, who's done of polling to suggest done a lot of polling to suggest he hasn't shifted the dial at

all electorate. all with the electorate. and equally, brought equally, yes, he's brought down inflation, but other four inflation, but the other four points remain to fulfilled. points remain to be fulfilled. and already a new year. and it's already a new year. >> well, look what we seen in the last year since rishi became prime minister, is that the economy has turned a corner, you know, in the year and a bit ago when he took over, we were forecast to have the biggest recession that we've seen 100 forecast to have the biggest recess inflation ve've seen 100 forecast to have the biggest recess inflation was�* seen 100 forecast to have the biggest recess inflation was areen 100 forecast to have the biggest recess inflation was are over100 years. inflation was are over 11. you know, we've now seen growth in the economy . we you growth in the economy. we you know, albeit small, and we want it be more. and we've it to be more. and also we've seen inflation down. that's seen inflation come down. that's really and it's really important. and it's really important. and it's really important. and it's really important for people at home. it working i know home. so it is working i know you're raise with me you're going to raise with me nhs rightly nhs waiting lists quite rightly because have seen a really because we have seen a really big impact as a result of the strikes. but what we've seen is where we haven't had those strikes. are starting to make strikes. we are starting to make progress on the waiting list, so we that can get resolved we hope that can get resolved and we continue on with and we can continue on with that. then on stopping that. and then on stopping the boats, obviously the numbers have of illegal have come down of illegal migration by over migration over here by over a third year time when third last year at a time when it's going up by 80% in countries like italy. um, but we

want to go further. we know we need to do more, and that's why we've introduced the legislation into commons into the house of commons to stop boats. we really are stop the boats. so we really are seeing progress. know there's seeing progress. i know there's more to be and that's the more to be done. and that's the argument going be argument that we're going to be making next year. making over the next year. >> okay. i mean, we'll come on to in just moment, to the boats in just a moment, but you can't be happy with the growth mean, growth forecasts. i mean, they're growth isn't they're flatlining. growth isn't growing. there's growing. i mean, there's not increased forecasts increased growth forecasts for the years. so it's the next five years. so it's basically this is that's not something you can happy with. something you can be happy with. >> totally get what you're >> i totally get what you're saying. what i would point out is that economy has had is that the economy has had a really difficult time over the past few years. people at home have really difficult have had a really difficult time. after time. we've had the after effects covid, then we've effects of covid, and then we've had the energy price shock. as i said, at just over year ago, said, at just over a year ago, we have the we were forecast to have the biggest in 100 years. biggest recession in 100 years. last . we've managed last year. we've managed to avoid are avoid that. now you are absolutely right we want to absolutely right that we want to do more to encourage growth. that's the autumn that's why at the autumn statement, we took a number of measures, including biggest statement, we took a number of me.cutes, including biggest statement, we took a number of me.cut forincluding biggest statement, we took a number of me.cut for business biggest statement, we took a number of me.cut for business everbiggest statement, we took a number of me.cut for business ever in|gest tax cut for business ever in terms full expensing. you terms of full expensing. you know, that the

know, the obr have said that the measures took over the measures that we took over the last year will increase growth significantly by the biggest amount of amount ever as a result of fiscal events. so we're doing all to can boost growth all that we to can boost growth because know how important it because we know how important it is for the economy. >> talked about >> i mean, you've talked about the the boats plan, the stopping the boats plan, which know is of rishi which we know is one of rishi sunak's points in his five point plan, having the bbc plan, having said that, the bbc has that there are has discovered that there are documents suggest documents which suggest that he doesn't actually support the rwanda sceptical rwanda plan. he was sceptical about the cost. he didn't even think it would act as a deterrent. so the prime minister doesn't does he? doesn't believe really does he? in of the government's in one of the government's flagship , no , that's flagship policies, no, that's not true. >> i think when you're in the treasury, you know, my job at the moment, i'm chief secretary of the treasury. i am literally sceptical about most aspects of government i will sit government spending. i will sit there, i will look at it. i will assess value money on assess its value for money on every aspect. so i am every single aspect. so i am sure that he was asking a lot of questions about the policy. but look actions. look what look at his actions. look what he's done. you know, he's introduced the illegal migration bill into the house of commons. the rwanda bill, which will introduce rwanda to this country

and will that overturn and will mean that we overturn the issues that were raised by the issues that were raised by the court of appeal. it will mean that flights can take off to rwanda, which we think is incredibly important because we know deterrence works. we've incredibly important because we knowwhatrrence works. we've incredibly important because we knowwhat happened (s. we've incredibly important because we knowwhat happened with e've incredibly important because we knowwhat happened with the seen what happened with the albania deal, where they do get returned to their country of origin, of albanians origin, and numbers of albanians coming here reduced by coming over here has reduced by 90. this is it's so 90. so this is why it's so important that we get the rwanda bill through. i know, but at the same time, labour are asking same time, labour are now asking the government publish some the government to publish some of . of this paperwork. >> will that? >> i mean, will you do that? because really because it's not really necessarily looking at necessarily about him looking at the details. it was the finer details. it was basically a view that basically expressing a view that you think plan would you didn't think the plan would actually work. and actually he's been in that, hasn't been vindicated in that, hasn't he? mean, have sent more he? i mean, you have sent more home rwanda than he? i mean, you have sent more hon have rwanda than he? i mean, you have sent more hon have deportees. rwanda than he? i mean, you have sent more honhave deportees. wellda than he? i mean, you have sent more honhave deportees. well ia than he? i mean, you have sent more honhave deportees. well i mean, you have deportees. well i mean, labour will do literally anything to avoid talking about what their actual plan is, and that's because they don't have one on illegal migration. >> we do. that's why we're putting the rwanda bill through the house. it's obviously not up and running yet, which is why we haven't people sent over

haven't seen people sent over there, hope it passes there, but we hope it passes the house and then we can house very soon. and then we can get these flights taking off. do you think that the chancellor should scrap inheritance tax in the next budget? >> i know you're going to say i can't predict what the chancellor is going to do in the next budget, what i'd like next budget, but what i'd like from laura trott, is from you, laura trott, is a personal opinion as to whether you is fair . you think iht is fair. >> no, i don't think it's a fair tax, but i think, you know, i don't like a lot of other taxes as well. um, and we what we want to do as a government is bring taxation down, but in a fair way and in a way which is fiscally responsible when it is appropriate to do so, we will not risk fuelling inflation again . and that is what we've again. and that is what we've seen in other countries across europe. we've seen inflation come down and then start going back up again. that is absolutely not something we're to prepared as government. >> what's the fairest way to deal income tax increases deal with income tax increases then? we're going to see then? because we're going to see 3 million people dragged 3 million more people dragged fiscally next fiscally dragged over the next five fiscally dragged over the next five upper five years into that upper bracket. fair for people

bracket. is it fair for people on a year to . be taxed on 52 grand a year to. be taxed 40? look i'm a conservative. >> i believe in low taxes, but i also believe in paying back our debts . and we have to take some debts. and we have to take some really difficult decisions to pay really difficult decisions to pay back our covid debts. we spent billion during covid. spent £400 billion during covid. we spent £100 billion on helping people with their energy bills . people with their energy bills. those were, i think, the right decisions, they've to be decisions, but they've got to be paid you know, that is the paid back. you know, that is the difference between and labour difference between us and labour now starting do that now we're starting to do that now. i said, now. we're starting, as i said, to the economy turning to see the economy turning a corner, which is why we're able to talk about tax cuts. but i don't away the fact don't shy away from the fact that we have to take some really difficult decisions in the interim. i've a couple of tory >> i've had a couple of tory mps on this morning about on this morning talking about chris skidmore down, chris skidmore standing down, resigning , chris skidmore standing down, resigning, saying that he's guilty of a betrayal of rishi sunak. do you agree with that? >> look, i mean, chris was a colleague, but i fundamentally disagree with him. i think he's just plain wrong in what he says. you know, we and everybody

knows that actually, when it comes to 2050, when we come to net zero, we're still going to be using some fossil fuels, right? that is accepted by every expert committee. and is expert committee. and it is obviously that where expert committee. and it is obviorfossil that where expert committee. and it is obviorfossil fuels hat where expert committee. and it is obviorfossil fuels do where expert committee. and it is obviorfossil fuels do have 'e expert committee. and it is obviorfossil fuels do have to be those fossil fuels do have to be used, then they are produced domestically because we know that in emissions. that results in lower emissions. so right from our carbon so it's right from our carbon emission targets. and it's right for our energy security that we produce things domestically. and i home i think most people at home would that. would understand that. >> and a final thought, if you wouldn't trott on wouldn't mind, laura trott on the post office scandal. we've got talk of the police investigating. i know your colleague jeremy hunt is talking about compensation. listen, we've 600,000 now we've got 600,000 people now supporting a petition to have paula vennells , the former ceo paula vennells, the former ceo of the post office , stripped of of the post office, stripped of her cbe, presumably you support that. >> look , the post office have >> look, the post office have clearly behaved abysmally throughout all of this. this has been an enormous miscarriage of justice, and i'm glad to see it's getting the attention that it's getting the attention that it deserves. it rightly deserves. paula vennells, individuals , vennells, the individuals, there's a process for that.

there's a nana. yeah. so so in terms of individuals turning to your specific question, there's terms of individuals turning to y(there's:ific question, there's terms of individuals turning to y(there's:if process on, there's terms of individuals turning to y(there's:if process for there's terms of individuals turning to y(there's:if process for thate's terms of individuals turning to y(there's:if process for that in a there's a process for that in terms an honours committee to terms of an honours committee to look forfeiture. there's also look at forfeiture. there's also an going so an inquiry going on. so it wouldn't right me to wouldn't be right for me to comment individuals. comment on individuals. >> thank you very >> laura trott thank you very much for your this much indeed for your time this morning . morning. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello, i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office. we'll see plenty of fine weather across much the uk in the across much of the uk in the days ahead. some sunshine at times, equally a few hazards days ahead. some sunshine at tincontend equally a few hazards days ahead. some sunshine at tincontend with. ly a few hazards days ahead. some sunshine at tincontend with. all few hazards days ahead. some sunshine at tincontend with. all ofw hazards days ahead. some sunshine at tincontend with. all of a hazards days ahead. some sunshine at tincontend with. all of a fairlyds to contend with. all of a fairly wintry flavour with cold air in place across the uk. high pressure dominating, sitting pressure is dominating, sitting towards northeast towards the north and northeast of moment. fairly of the uk at the moment. fairly tightly isobars down tightly packed isobars down towards the south, indicating quite brisk breeze. and quite a brisk breeze. and that's feeding showers across feeding some showers in across the north england. southern the north of england. southern parts this evening, parts of scotland this evening, working west into the working their way west into the irish towards east of irish sea towards the east of northern as we head

northern ireland. as we head into early hours monday . into the early hours of monday. some also developing some showers also developing down south—east some showers also developing dov1morning south—east some showers also developing dov1morning on south—east some showers also developing dov1morning on monday—east some showers also developing dov1 morning on monday could some showers also developing dov1morning on monday could give the morning on monday could give some icy stretches as we head into early hours monday into the early hours of monday itself and itself towards the north and west. picture, frost west. a cold picture, frost and some forming then some fog forming and then through day monday, ice through the day on monday, ice likely be a problem towards likely to be a problem towards the southeast for a time as wintry showers move in from the east. working their way westwards but turning more to rain they move across rain as they move across southern of england southern counties of england through day on through the rest of the day on monday. towards the monday. whereas towards the north apart the north and west, apart from the odd shower across northern ireland, of ireland, there'll be plenty of fine store, lots of fine weather in store, lots of sunshine, still quite chilly sunshine, but still quite chilly temperatures the temperatures no better than the low single figures in low to mid single figures in most places on tuesday, promises to better day, more in to be a much better day, more in the sunshine developing the way of sunshine developing after a frosty, locally foggy start. weather start. a lot of dry weather around lots sunshine, but around two lots of sunshine, but again, those temperatures really will no better again, those temperatures really will the no better again, those temperatures really will the low no better again, those temperatures really will the low to no better again, those temperatures really will the low to mid no better again, those temperatures really will the low to mid singleter than the low to mid single figures in most places. highs of around five celsius. around about five celsius. that's fahrenheit for that's 41 in fahrenheit as for the rest of the week, we'll gradually an increase gradually see an increase in cloud the so cloud from the north, so sunshine becoming and more sunshine becoming more and more confined areas. confined to southern areas.

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gb news. >> hello. good evening. you're with gb news. i'm sam francis, the headlines at seven. this week's planned tube strikes in london have been suspended. however tfl is warning there will still be disruption tomorrow because the walkouts were called off so late . members were called off so late. members of rmt were due to strike in of the rmt were due to strike in protest over a 5% pay offer, and that would have left hundreds of thousands of passengers facing severe travel disruption in the caphal severe travel disruption in the capital. however, the union says that the planned action will no longer ahead after progress longer go ahead after progress was made in discussions with tfl today we're being warned that

snow is on the way as an amber cold health alert has been issued for parts of england. the met office has also issued a yellow weather warning from 4:00 tomorrow morning. snow and ice is likely to affect roads and train services in parts of greater london in kent, surrey, east sussex and in west sussex . east sussex and in west sussex. meanwhile 170 flood warnings remain in place across the country and over 1800 properties have been damaged by flood waters after being criticised for not meeting with flooding victims, the prime minister has today been speaking with some of the residents affected in oxford dunng. the residents affected in oxford during . his visit there. he said during. his visit there. he said the government's flood defences are working there have been many people affected by what's happened over the past week , but happened over the past week, but also 49,000 homes have been protected from flooding as a result of that investment and also things like the pumps that i've been seeing here today and the flood barriers just in the community. >> i've been walking around hundreds of homes have been protected because those protected because of those investments . but of