also issued met office has also issued a yellow weather warning from 4:00 tomorrow morning. snow and ice is likely to affect roads and train services in parts of greater london in kent, surrey, east sussex and in west sussex . east sussex and in west sussex. meanwhile 170 flood warnings remain in place across the country and over 1800 properties have been damaged by flood waters after being criticised for not meeting with flooding victims, the prime minister has today been speaking with some of the residents affected in oxford dunng. the residents affected in oxford during . his visit there. he said during. his visit there. he said the government's flood defences are working there have been many people affected by what's happened over the past week , but happened over the past week, but also 49,000 homes have been protected from flooding as a result of that investment and also things like the pumps that i've been seeing here today and the flood barriers just in the community. >> i've been walking around hundreds of homes have been protected because those protected because of those investments . but of course, this investments. but of course, this is going to be devastating for those who are impacted, which is why there's financial support in

place. overall, all the place. but overall, all the investment going investment that's going into flood very, flood defences is at a very, very level. very high level. >> other news, the >> in other news, the conservatives have chosen the partner disgraced mp partner of disgraced former mp peter bone to replace him. according to the party chair, richard holden, helen harrison was selected as the new candidate for wellingborough at a members this a meeting of members this afternoon. a by—election is being held there after mr bone was found to have indecently exposed himself to a staff member and trapped them in member and then trapped them in the bathroom of a hotel room. he, has denied those he, though, has denied those allegations as it's the fifth day of the longest nhs strike in history as junior doctors hold their ground over pay and conditions , hospitals concerned conditions, hospitals concerned with patients safety are pleading for an end to the industrial action, with several nhs trusts declaring critical incidents as a result of those walkouts. talk peace between the government and the bma broke down last month, with the union claiming its members are being given a pay offer of less than they had in 2008. former medical

director and chief medical officer of bupa, doctor andrew vallance—owen, says it's time for negotiations , owns what they for negotiations, owns what they are doing, is demonstrating how important they are to the nhs, but because we can see the chaos which is resulting from their from their action. >> but i think that their leaders, you know, should be thinking now , now before they thinking now, now before they completely lose public support. at the moment they have still got it. um, according to opinion polls. um, now is the time to say, okay, we will negotiate . say, okay, we will negotiate. >> and a firefighter from lancashire has begun his attempt to break a guinness world record for the most weight lifted in just 24 hours, 42 year old glenn bailey needs to lift more than 580,000 kilogram before tomorrow to beat the current record . that to beat the current record. that means he needs to lift 60kg more than 12,000 times. he decided to take on the challenge to raise money and awareness for the firefighters charity , which firefighters charity, which provides health and wellbeing

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broadcaster munroe bergdorf as their champion. maya forstater, from . sex matters will be here from. sex matters will be here to discuss that . i'll be talking to discuss that. i'll be talking to discuss that. i'll be talking to journalist ella whelan about why there has been so little condemnation of the horrific violence against women during the ongoing conflict in the middle east, and toby young from the free speech union will be here to tell us about the huge payout bank payout secured for a bank manager who was sacked by lloyds over a comment during over a comment he made during anti—rape of anti—rape ism training. and of course, and my fantastic course, myself and my fantastic panel answering panel will be answering questions beautiful questions from our beautiful studio audience. this studio audience. my guests this evening bruce evening are comedians bruce devlin foster . devlin and frances foster. hello, hello. did you have a lovely christmas, bruce.7 >> i had a covid christmas. are you were ill.7 yes. >> i had a covid christmas. are you were ill? yes. yes, i came back from newcastle with a myriad of diseases, including covid. >> yeah, i'm sure you have many more. you're absolutely riddled. but the thing is, that's good in a because have a way, because it means you have to stay for in christmas and not be going drinking too much be going out drinking too much and partying too much. >> i stayed in drank too >> no, i stayed in and drank too

much partied and all that much and partied and all that kind healthier. yeah, kind of stuff healthier. yeah, i think so. >> the recommend. how are >> the nhs recommend. how are you, yeah. i'm good. you, francis? yeah. i'm good. yeah. christmas you. yeah. good christmas for you. >> no. dreadful. but anyway, we move >> no. dreadful. but anyway, we mookay, okay. well, let's not >> okay, okay. well, let's not probe i don't probe because i don't want to get the start get too depressing at the start of show. of the show. >> let's instead go to our lovely audience for some questions. now, our first questions. now, our first question from what question comes from amelia. what a like that name. a lovely name. i like that name. amelia. hello hi. >> question is, did the bbc amelia. hello hi. >> it question is, did the bbc amelia. hello hi. >> it wrongtion is, did the bbc amelia. hello hi. >> it wrong overs, did the bbc amelia. hello hi. >> it wrong over claudine bbc get it wrong over claudine gaye's resignation? >> very >> yeah, that's a very interesting question, claudine gaye, will have been gaye, most of you will have been following this story, but the bbc covering the bbc were covering the resignation gaye. resignation of claudine gaye. she was president of harvard she was the president of harvard university resigned. university and she resigned. well, reasons. well, for a couple of reasons. she resigned partly she resigned. resigned partly because but also a backlash allegations, but also a backlash over that dreadful appearance in congress. you remember the presidents , harvard, and presidents of mit, harvard, and where was the other one? >> there was a third one, university of pennsylvania, university of pennsylvania, university of pennsylvania, and they were all there. >> basically were asked >> uh, basically they were asked by of congress to say by a member of congress to say whether calling for the genocide of violated their campus of jews violated their campus policy, and they couldn't give a straight

frances? >> w- frances? >> couldn't, they >> no, they couldn't, they couldn't. it was couldn't. they said it was contextual , which couldn't. they said it was contextual, which i'm sure made all the jewish students feel very, is the very, very welcome. what is the context calling the context we're calling for the genocide jews actually genocide of jews is actually quite okay. >> you don't like them, >> if you don't like them, that'll be that'll be it. that'll be it. that'll be it. very though, isn't that'll be it. that'll be it. verbecause though, isn't that'll be it. that'll be it. verbecause claudinejh, isn't that'll be it. that'll be it. verbecause claudine gaye, 't that'll be it. that'll be it. verbecause claudine gaye, it it? because claudine gaye, it wasn't about as wasn't just about that as dreadful was. but these dreadful as that was. but these allegations plagiarism now, allegations are plagiarism now, we've seen various figures on the particularly in the the left, particularly in the commentariat, saying that effective plagiarism is being weaponised by the right to attack people . we've had that attack people. we've had that from associated press of all places. um, that's nonsense, isn't it ? i mean, as an isn't it? i mean, as an academic, you're not allowed to cut and paste. >> no, you're not allowed to cut and paste. even though my academic career, andrew was all about cutting ipso. >> we're not talking about you here. about here. we're talking about the head harvard university, head of harvard university, right? this is it. so there >> no, but this is it. so there were there were numerous actually allegations her and actually allegations of her and instances where she, she essentially and pasted. essentially cut it and pasted. yes. having somebody is yes. and having somebody who is the head of an academic institution prestigious institution as prestigious as harvard, them have harvard, you need them to have impeccable , impeccable impeccable, impeccable credentials, which she sadly

doesn't have. how can you expel a student or reprimand a student for cutting , pasting, cutting for cutting, pasting, cutting and pasting? i do it yourself. >> i can tell you this, bruce. you know, as a former teacher, that was my bete noire. absolute nightmare. so basically, i'd get essays in from kids. i'd have to go online and just, you know, select sentences and find out if they've copy paste they've just copy and paste because it. because they often did it. >> i was exposed in >> you know, i was exposed in school for plagiarism because i used to threaten people to do my homework. to homework. and that got back to the and suspended the rector and i got suspended quite the bully, weren't you? i was yes. yes. because was actually, yes. yes. because i thought start bullying i thought if i start bullying people, maybe they'll stop bullying and they were scared. >> f- e on the other hand, >> yeah. but on the other hand, your essays were much as your essays were much better as a result. >> well, no, found out if >> well, no, i got found out if you see what i mean. i was asked to leave when i was 15, and, you know, i just muddled through. everything's fine. know, i just muddled through. eveirthing's fine. know, i just muddled through. evei think�*s fine. know, i just muddled through. evei think it's1e. know, i just muddled through. evei think it's very interesting >> i think it's very interesting that us to that people are expecting us to hold people hold a certain people to a higher standard, simply because they represent certain demographics. a demographics. i mean, this was a lot have pointed lot of the people have pointed out claudine gay was never

out that claudine gay was never a particularly flying a particularly high flying academic. look like academic. it doesn't look like she to role. she was appointed to this role. other than because she's a black woman. to me is a kind of woman. that to me is a kind of soft racism. it's a, you know, it's sense of, well, it's a kind of sense of, well, why? well, my point is, why don't we just have a meritocracy? and then people aren't aren't saying, meritocracy? and then people aren'twe've aren't saying, meritocracy? and then people aren'twe've been1't saying, meritocracy? and then people aren'twe've been appointed well, we've been appointed because skin colour, because of our skin colour, because of our skin colour, because sexuality. because of our skin colour, becwell, sexuality. because of our skin colour, becwell, is;exuality. because of our skin colour, becwell, is;exu issue >> well, this is the issue because what actually happens is inevitably types inevitably then these types of issues and then these issues occur, and then these people then have leave their people then have to leave their positions then the whole positions and then the whole racism starts all racism conversation starts all over if you over again. well, if you actually promoted merit, actually just promoted on merit, then be facing then you wouldn't be facing these problems. >> mean, bruce, you >> exactly. i mean, bruce, you would upset, wouldn't would be pretty upset, wouldn't you, you thought that we'd you, if you thought that we'd only come here only employed you to come here tonight you're tonight because you're gay. i mean, that would outrageous. mean, that would be outrageous. well, even know. mean, that would be outrageous. we“. even know. mean, that would be outrageous. we“ haven't even know. mean, that would be outrageous. we“ haven't said| know. mean, that would be outrageous. we“ haven't said whether >> i haven't said whether i'm gay or not very much. and i'm not having words or anything else mouth. no. until else put in my mouth. no. until after show. after the show. >> but i agree. >> yeah, but i agree. >> yeah, but i agree. >> i. when i first met you, >> when i. when i first met you, i assumed you robust i assumed you were robust heterosexual. i assumed you were robust het thankral. thank you. when i >> thank you, thank you. when i met you, i thought, i hope i'm never friendly. and look, i'm stuck with it. like hinge never friendly. and look, i'm stuc bracket,. like hinge

never friendly. and look, i'm stuc bracket, but like hinge never friendly. and look, i'm stuc bracket, but but; hinge never friendly. and look, i'm stuc bracket, but but; wille never friendly. and look, i'm stuc bracket, but but; will push and bracket, but but i will push back because thank god, back on that because thank god, someone will he strike? >> he's one of us. no, i'm. i will say you gay men will say this. you know, gay men are the majority in broadcasting. >> they they are. that's true. >> oh, it's hot in here. honestly, you have no idea the hassle i get for doing this. i'm like, it's the velvet mafia. you know, holes. like, it's the velvet mafia. you knoyeah. holes. like, it's the velvet mafia. you knoyeah. okay holes. >> yeah. okay >> yeah. okay >> i'm not going explain what >> i'm not going to explain what that because there might be that is, because there might be young people. >> that's called bonus. >> that's called a brucey bonus. no, max is a no, no, no pepsi max is a pre—watershed show. >> like to remind my >> would you like to remind my panellists? question panellists? let's get a question from which is hopefully from alan, which is hopefully a bit cleaner. >> alan. >> alan. >> all right guys, happy new yeah >> all right guys, happy new year. and to you, uh, should all the victims post office the victims of the post office honzon the victims of the post office horizon exonerated? the victims of the post office horizon this exonerated? the victims of the post office horizon this is exonerated? the victims of the post office horizon this is really1erated? >> yeah. this is really interesting. we've been following this post office story. hundreds of subpostmasters falsely subpostmasters convicted falsely in the post office scandal. i had nick wallace on the show about ago talking about four months ago talking about four months ago talking about scandal, and about this very scandal, and it's blown up and you know, it's now blown up and you know, and good. i mean, i'm glad that these people are getting justice. but justice. uh, finally, uh, but what about this, what do you think about this, frances? because now the government saying, well, we government is saying, well, we are looking into exonerating

those are falsely those people who are falsely imprisoned yes. well imprisoned sometimes. yes. well isn't a no brainer? imprisoned sometimes. yes. well isn'it a no brainer? imprisoned sometimes. yes. well isn'it is| no brainer? imprisoned sometimes. yes. well isn'it is an» brainer? imprisoned sometimes. yes. well isn'it is an absolute no brainer. >> it is an absolute no brainer. and fact it's so and the fact that it's taken so long for to get to this long for them to get to this position people had position when people have had their destroyed, their their careers destroyed, their lives ruined with they've also been it's heartbreaking. >> alan, do you have any thoughts this you asked thoughts on this since you asked the question? thoughts on this since you asked the yeah, ion? thoughts on this since you asked the yeah, absolutely. also want >> yeah, absolutely. i also want to uh, ed davis's role to find out, uh, ed davis's role in it as well. very interesting. was affairs minister was the postal affairs minister at the time . yes. and he seemed at the time. yes. and he seemed to have pretty much just washed his hands of it. >> that's very true. i mean, i didn't know about ed davis involvement in all of this until that story broke this week. but, you know, i mean, face it, you know, i mean, let's face it, he's to get power he's not going to get into power anytime soon, he might well anytime soon, but he might well be in a coalition right. so we do to look into this, don't we? >> 100. yeah. you know he hasn't got good track record there. got a good track record there. and i think we need to know a bit more it. yes bit more about it. yes absolutely. bit more about it. yes abs bruce,. you bit more about it. yes absbruce,. you have any >> bruce, do you have any thoughts about this? >> just think it's like any >> i just think it's like any inquiry that comes. so it's just what the damage is what you say. all the damage is being then suddenly, no, being done, then suddenly, no, we're inquiry and

we're going to do an inquiry and lessons going to be learned. lessons are going to be learned. and this kind of, you and it's all this kind of, you know, whatever. it's just it's a nonsense. what mean? >> but lives have been ruined. >> but lives have been ruined. >> that's whole thing. >> but that's the whole thing. >> but that's the whole thing. >> make that better. >> you can't make that better. >> you can't make that better. >> i suppose the biggest question me has question for me is how has it taken to to where taken this long to get to where we are? >> think that's a very good >> i think that's a very good question. okay, well, move question. okay, well, let's move on shirley. to shirley. hi. >> hi. she would send emails >> hi. she would you send emails dunng >> hi. she would you send emails during hamlet, during performances of hamlet, emails during performance. >> think, shirley? >> what do you think, shirley? >> what do you think, shirley? >> too sure. >> not really. too sure. >> not really. too sure. >> well okay. well, that's >> no. well okay. well, that's fair but i would say, fair enough. but i would say, shirley, that you opened shirley, that if you opened your laptop right now and started emailing have emailing away, i would have something it. something to say about it. no, i think quite rude, think that would be quite rude, wouldn't it? >> do you take laptop >> why do you take your laptop to anyway? >> why do you take your laptop to well, anyway? >> why do you take your laptop to well, i anyway? >> why do you take your laptop to well, i know|yway? >> why do you take your laptop to well, i know we iy? >> why do you take your laptop to well, i know we should fill >> well, i know we should fill this okay andrew scott, this in. okay so andrew scott, well—known was well—known actor, he he was talking podcast talking on a podcast this week about he was performing about when he was performing a soliloquy actually, soliloquy from hamlet, actually, it soliloquy it was the most famous soliloquy to be. uh, and an to be or not to be. uh, and an audience member. you know, sometimes phones sometimes they take their phones out, that's annoying enough. out, and that's annoying enough. this laptop this guy opened a full on laptop and on the and started tapping away on the front scott front row, and andrew scott stopped think front row, and andrew scott stowasi think front row, and andrew scott stowas right think front row, and andrew scott stowas right to think front row, and andrew scott stowas right to do think front row, and andrew scott stowas right to do that. think front row, and andrew scott stowas right to do that. yes,hink he was right to do that. yes, now it's going break the now it's going to break the spell right. and spell moment eerily right. and i really people misbehaving

really hate people misbehaving in particularly in the theatre, particularly in shakespeare. i'm sorry, i'm a bit like that, but, bit of a snob like that, but, you wouldn't mind if you know, i wouldn't mind if it was, know, someone a modern playwright. >> you know what mean. >> but you know what i mean. >> but you know what i mean. >> bard should >> the works of the bard should be and respected. be protected and respected. >> brecht, we'd say, >> if it was brecht, we'd say, well, just part of the well, that's just part of the alienation actually alienation device and actually supports you know, verfremdungseffekt the verfremdungseffekt ponce's no, verfremdungseffekt the ver'lookiungseffekt ponce's no, verfremdungseffekt the ver' look ,|ngseffekt ponce's no, verfremdungseffekt the ver' look , whatfekt ponce's no, verfremdungseffekt the ver' look , what dot ponce's no, verfremdungseffekt the ver' look , what do you nce's no, verfremdungseffekt the ver' look , what do you think 10, no, look, what do you think about this one, francis? because if someone opened during if someone opened that during a production of hamlet. yeah i mean, they should be not mean, i think they should be not thrown probably thrown out. they should probably be well, they should >> well, they should be executed, yes. >> yeah. i think because if they're public, they're doing that in public, what their what are they doing in their private life exactly. >> going be anything private life exactly. >> is going be anything private life exactly. >> is it?going be anything good, is it? >> what going through >> what is going through someone's sit to. and >> what is going through sonleone's sit to. and >> what is going through soni mean, sit to. and >> what is going through soni mean, it's sit to. and >> what is going through soni mean, it's rude,». and >> i mean, it's so rude, not just the but to just to the actors, but to everyone else involved, everyone in audience. mean, what do in the audience. i mean, what do you of bruce? you make of this, bruce? >> like you a >> oh, it's like when you do a gig, right? get these gig, right? and you get these people their cheap gig, right? and you get these peopleon their cheap gig, right? and you get these peopleon stage, r cheap gig, right? and you get these peopleon stage, right?p shoes on the stage, right? i'm not that not really bothered that they put feet on the stage. it's put the feet on the stage. it's the footwear that offends me. but front row, because the footwear that offends me. bu�*money's front row, because the footwear that offends me. bu�*money's been row, because the footwear that offends me. bu�*money's been spent.ecause the footwear that offends me. bu�*money's been spent. theye no money's been spent. they were mainlining no money's been spent. they were mainlof ng after interval. more of that after the interval. i i do not understand the i just i do not understand the arrogance of because only i just i do not understand the arrcyou:e of because only i just i do not understand the arrcyou:e of something only i just i do not understand the arrcyou:e of something that'sy are you doing something that's going to put the cast off,

you're going to the people around helen around you. i remember helen mirren something mirren was doing something which she she was the she and a play where she was the queen, was people queen, and there was people outside and she's just broken fi harrison would helen think you would do what helen mirren because she. you mirren told you because she. you have like have to. she looks like a fighting hellcat. >> from the, >> oh, really? someone from the, uh, like an usher uh, members staff, like an usher or something. >> do know what should >> do you know what should happenis >> do you know what should happen is hard drives should have should spat >> they should have spat all over it with over the thing, damaged it with water, stood it and said, die. >> they should or they should have balcony to have snipers in the balcony to take would that. >> i would love that. >> i would love that. >> would the theatre. >> i would go to the theatre. more jeopardy! >> jeopardy! that's >> yeah, but a jeopardy! that's exactly what you want. >> was just >> i mean, maybe he was just googung >> i mean, maybe he was just googling out what to googling to find out what to be or meant. googling to find out what to be or yeah, meant. googling to find out what to be or yeah, it meant. googling to find out what to be or yeah, it could1t. googling to find out what to be or yeah, it could be. >> yeah, it could be. >> yeah, it could be. >> could he not have done that afterwards? yeah. yeah. think >> yeah. yeah. i think in hamlet, he struggled hamlet, if he struggled with bafic hamlet, if he struggled with basic no basic monosyllables. no >> let's move on to >> okay. right. let's move on to the question. this one the next question. now this one is sarah. is coming from, uh, sarah. where's sarah. hi. where's sarah? hi, sarah. hi. >> um, does khan >> hi. um, does sadiq khan deserve tube deserve credit? after this tube strikes suspended ? strikes were suspended? >> don't think he deserves >> ed, i don't think he deserves credit anything. does credit for anything. does he? i mean, you a sadiq mean, are you a fan of sadiq khan? sarah? oh, i'll put you on the now, haven't i? the spot now, haven't i? >> you really have. >> yeah, you really have. >> yeah, you really have. >> you didn't realise had to >> you didn't realise you had to have >> you didn't realise you had to havyou thought were

>> you just thought you were asking >> you just thought you were askyou're just seeking other >> you're just seeking other people's opinions. sarah, people's opinions. well, sarah, i'm say. well i'm typical, if i may say. well look. fair, look. okay. no, to be fair, i mean, sadiq khan are not a fan. to be honest, i mean, his fireworks. so why politicise fireworks? just put some rockets in but what in the sky. don't yeah, but what do of this? it should. do you make of this? it should. should he take any credit for this? >> well, no. he shouldn't take credit really. credit for anything really. because because london under sadiq just felt like a sadiq khan has just felt like a city slow going down the bog. >> isn't it just. yeah >> isn't it just. yeah >> you know, because if you keep getting elected, then why does he keep. have idea. it's he keep. i have no idea. it's because i think londoners aren't particularly intelligent . right. particularly intelligent. right. and say that as a londoner. and i say that as a londoner. >> yeah, he's he's one of them. yeah exactly. you can say that. look, london look, i'm representing london on this obviously the best. >> i'm obviously not the best. >> i'm obviously not the best. >> what do you think, bruce ? i >> what do you think, bruce? i mean, i think the thing is, at least it's happening again. at least it's happening again. at least the tube strikes didn't happen we wouldn't happen because we wouldn't have had if the had an audience tonight if the tube strikes ahead. tube strikes had gone ahead. but do workers do you think that the workers have to because have a right to strike? because i always support people's i always do support people's right to withhold their labour. >> support to >> i always support the right to strike inconvenience strike and to the inconvenience is that really is the is me. yeah, that really is the

bottom line. >> that should be the rule. bottom line. >> butt should be the rule. bottom line. >> butt sh(thinge the rule. bottom line. >> butt sh(thing is, he rule. bottom line. >> butt sh(thing is, how1le. bottom line. >> butt sh(thing is, how long is >> but the thing is, how long is it going for? you can't it going to go on for? you can't keep and striking as keep striking and striking as far i can in same far as i can see. in the same way, keep throwing way, you can't keep throwing tins paintings. way, you can't keep throwing tins to paintings. way, you can't keep throwing tins to a paintings. way, you can't keep throwing tins to a line |tings. way, you can't keep throwing tins to a line drawn somewhere. >> yeah, mean, claim >> yeah, but i mean, their claim would they are would be that they are underpaid. and if you're underpaid, i suppose you should have protest available have a form of protest available to i don't you're >> i don't know why you're having i mean, having a go at me. i mean, i didn't encourage any of this. no. to no. you did. you want me to drive train? drive a tube train? >> i'm asking because >> i'm just asking you, because you're underpaid you're notoriously underpaid for everything you do. so i thought you might here. you might only here. >> yeah. only here. >> only here? yeah. only here. i only this is charity only do it. this is my charity stuff. that's right. >> work food. so i >> you work for food. okay so i think probably got time think we've probably got time for question. we've for one more question. we've got a where a question from john. where is john? good john? hi, john. hi. good evening. john? hi, john. hi. good evethis. slightly personal question. >> oh, blimey. >> oh, blimey. >> no, >> oh, well, no, sit down. >> the of >> luke littler by the age of 17, almost became world darts champion . what did you almost champion. what did you almost achieve by the age of 17? >> oh, for goodness sake. i mean, that's the thing about people like this luke little, they make us feel insignificant , they make us feel insignificant, you know. what do you mean, achieved? >> yeah , i have actually. thank >> yeah, i have actually. thank you . yeah. ditch the attitude. you. yeah. ditch the attitude. and you know , if i'm working

and you know, if i'm working for food, well . food, i'm doing really well. thank anyway, yeah, i'd thank you. so anyway, yeah, i'd achieved my grade eight piano exams by that oh i didn't exams by that age. oh i didn't realise know. yeah, yeah , realise i know. yeah, yeah, yeah. high sweets. yeah. you're high on sweets. thank yeah. yeah. you're high on sweets. thagrade yeah. yeah. you're high on sweets. thagrade eight.. yeah. you're high on sweets. thagrade eight. that's very >> grade eight. that's very impressive. can you do the whole rachmaninoff and chopin? yeah, you can do all of it. you can. you do, um, chopsticks and i can do big spender. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you're like a monday donkey. you're like bobby crush all over again. >> yes, exactly. more >> yes, exactly. but more monochrome. yeah, absolutely. >> yes, exactly. but more monochrcabouteah, absolutely. >> yes, exactly. but more monochrcabouteah, ewhattely.you >> what about you? what did you achieve? uh, i achieved an a star in spanish. well, that's pretty good. now, on star in spanish. well, that's p|minute.�*d. now, on star in spanish. well, that's p|minute. you now, on star in spanish. well, that's p|minute. you latino on star in spanish. well, that's p|minute. you latino and on a minute. you are latino and your from venezuela. a minute. you are latino and yomwere from venezuela. a minute. you are latino and yomwere probably| venezuela. a minute. you are latino and yomwere probably raisedzuela. you were probably raised speaking spanish, right? >> it was my first language, but it's my it's not the point. oh, my goodness, those kids at goodness, i hated those kids at school there. goodness, i hated those kids at sch they1ere. goodness, i hated those kids at sch they were taking gcses in >> they were taking gcses in their language. was their first language. there was a taking french. he a french kid taking french. he got a star. they should. what got an a star. they should. what it's disgrace. it's going on. the disgrace. >> listen , you're getting a bit >> listen, you're getting a bit brexity now, andrew. just brexity now, andrew. i'm just saying, the saying, you know about the french kids next to you are disgraceful. i agree, no one likes french. just maybe don't likes a french. just maybe don't vocalise the a star. >> i do anything by the >> i didn't do anything by the

time i was 70. i'm sure you did. >> i could talk >> no, nothing i could talk about on show. about here on the show. >> no, no >> but no, i said no achievements. none all. achievements. none at all. sorry. let's on. sorry. anyway let's move on. do we any questions ? no. we have any more questions? no. i better take a break i think we'd better take a break at this point. but thank you to all studio audience all my lovely studio audience members who have posited a question for on free question for us. next on free speech going be speech nation, i'm going to be talking forstater of sex talking to maya forstater of sex matters. she's going to be here to the controversial to discuss the controversial decision women uk to decision by un women uk to select a transgender model and activist as their champion . see activist as their champion. see you in a moment

health care and i can't, and if we cut taxes is how on earth are we cut taxes is how on earth are we going to improve those ? we going to improve those? welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation . nation. >> controversy has arisen this week over the decision by un women uk to select a transgender activist , munroe bergdorf, women uk to select a transgender activist, munroe bergdorf, as their uk champion. fair play for women, sex matters transgender, trans gender trend and the women's rights network are among the groups to have penned a joint letter objecting to the

appointment . bergdorf said, appointment. bergdorf said, quote, i will use this role to further advocate for the progress, safety, inclusion and empowerment of all women and girls of all communities and identities. i will continue to draw attention to the systemic and social of misogyny, and social impact of misogyny, transphobia and gender based inequality within the uk in order to help provide data and insight that contributes to forming of forming tangible methods of tracking countering it. tracking and countering it. well. discuss this , i'm well. here to discuss this, i'm delighted to welcome executive director of sex matters, maya forstater sir maya, we've just heard munroe bergdorf's declaration about what needs to be done tackling misogyny, gender based inequality. be done tackling misogyny, gender based inequality . what's gender based inequality. what's so wrong with that? >> munroe. bergdorf's. man. um andifs >> munroe. bergdorf's. man. um and it's not that men can't support feminism . um, but if we support feminism. um, but if we can't say what the difference is between a man and a woman, it's impossible to do any of that . impossible to do any of that. um, un women uk , one of their um, un women uk, one of their big campaigns is about what they call so making the call safe spaces. so making the pubuc call safe spaces. so making the public domain safe for women. and that include having single—sex spaces and if you

can't say what a man is and what a woman is, just out of the gate, you can't do that. and of course, un women uk and munroe bergdorf would say, well, we'll say that that say it would say that that transgender women are women, that women is a kind of identity category rather than a biological category. >> or it can be both . what do >> or it can be both. what do you that argument ? you make of that argument? >> sexist nonsense. i mean, >> it's sexist nonsense. i mean, munroe bergdorf , uh, has had a munroe bergdorf, uh, has had a lot of plastic surgery . he looks lot of plastic surgery. he looks like a man's sexual fantasy. of what woman is. he looks like a barbie doll . that's not what a barbie doll. that's not what a woman is. and um . so. woman is. and um. so. >> so you object to the idea that women are being represented by someone who is not biologically female? >> who is a man who's >> yeah. who is a man who's a man who's plastic surgery man who's had plastic surgery and makeup . and who's wearing makeup. >> now, tell why is it that >> now, tell me, why is it that you think that un women uk. i mean, just this mean, it's not just this example. there's example. i think there's been lots where uk lots of examples where the uk women twitter account, for instance, various, instance, has posted various, uh, gender ideological ideologue, uh, activist tropes. why is it that this group has

been captured in this way? and what influence do actually have? >> well , um, have? >> well, um, there's un women , >> well, um, there's un women, which is, uh, the un organisation, and then there's un women uk, which is a uk organisation that supports them. it's actually a charity. yes. it's actually a charity. yes. it's not, it's not really part of the un, but it's kind of a franchise. us and both of them have come out with this kind of, uh, this kind of messaging, which if you ask the countries of un whether they've of the un whether they've redefined women to include men , redefined women to include men, they will tell you they haven't. right but the people who work in the offices and the secretariats of organisations , as of these organisations, as they've come out of the same universities, they've they've adopted these ideas. they think it's progressive live, um, they think edgy and they're think it's edgy and they're running the social media accounts. yes. >> bergdorf has form . >> and munroe bergdorf has form. munroe bergdorf said on an appearance on i think it was this that the white race this week that the white race was one of most destructive was one of the most destructive forces said , forces in the world. also said, i believe that you can still be homeless and have white privilege , which i think is privilege, which i think is quite divisive , uh, thing to

say. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and this is the kind of person that they're choosing. >> yes. i mean, he also said after the women's march um , after the women's march in, um, 2018, i think that women shouldn't centre their reproduce system when talking about what what a woman is, you know, they shouldn't talk about why pregnancy and abortion and issues that affect women as female because it excludes men who think they're women. >> but that surely if this is going be a champion for going to be a uk champion for women, issues do women, those sorts of issues do matter to a lot of women . i'm matter to a lot of women. i'm not all women, no, not all women. >> but you know, there are 33 million women in country. million women in the country. surely one of them could have done this job. >> yes. yeah. okay. now you must be an awful lot as be asked this an awful lot as executive of sex executive director of sex matters. why does matters. but why does a recognition of biological sex matter? why we just matter? why can't we just dispense with the idea of male and female ? and female? >> men and women are >> uh, because men and women are different , right? lots of different, right? and lots of places . this doesn't matter. you places. this doesn't matter. you know, advertising know, when you're advertising for you . it could be a for a job, you. it could be a man or a woman. um you know,

when you're paying people, you should pay men women the should pay men and women the same. are some same. but there are some situations where it matters where someone male or where whether someone is male or female , we female sport, obviously, we women's prisons , women's women's prisons, women's refuges, any place where people are undressing or or, uh, feeling vulnerable, you know , so feeling vulnerable, you know, so that includes changing rooms, toilets, showers at the gym and collecting data . uh, you know, collecting data. uh, you know, when you need to know how a policy is affected or how a medicine is affecting , policy is affected or how a medicine is affecting, um, one group or the other, you need to know who who are men and who are women, and you've set up sex matters a number of matters with a number of a number of other campaigners. >> did you think you would >> did you ever think you would have do something this? have to do something like this? because seems to me that because it seems to me that having remind people that having to remind people that biological and that biological sex is real, and that it matters. we never thought this 15 years ago would. >> we know we wouldn't. the >> we know we wouldn't. but the activists the activists that have changed the law and changed policy been law and changed policy have been working scenes on working behind the scenes on this for over 30 years, and they've done a lot of damage before any anyone else even realised that this was a question ? yes. question? yes. >> do you think a lot of people

are of along with are are sort of going along with it maybe they don't it because maybe they don't fully understand the implications, or maybe they think to get think they don't want to get caught you remember caught out again. you remember a lot of politicians were on the wrong history, if you wrong side of history, if you want phrase, when it want to use that phrase, when it came rights section want to use that phrase, when it can maybe rights section want to use that phrase, when it canmaybe theyhts section want to use that phrase, when it can maybe they don't section want to use that phrase, when it can maybe they don't want)n 28, maybe they don't want to be in now. yes in the same situation now. yes i think there's that think i think there's that people of people think kind of simplistically, this the simplistically, this is the new gay, isn't . gay, but it isn't. >> in fact, it's, you know , with >> in fact, it's, you know, with with a lot of young people, it's telling young children that telling young gay children that they were born in the wrong body and should be sterilised. and they should be sterilised. it's the opposite of it's actually the opposite of gay rights. it's actually the opposite of gayyes,its. so there's a lot of >> yes, but so there's a lot of misunderstandings >> yes, but so there's a lot of misundeand 1dings >> yes, but so there's a lot of misundeand 1ding there's the >> yes. and then there's the kind kind, uh, there's be kind of be kind, uh, there's be kind of be kind, uh, there's be kind there's people kind and there's people don't want trouble. want to get in trouble. >> completely >> yes. no, i completely understand that with sex matters. is that you matters. what is it that you essentially we're trying essentially do? uh, we're trying to clarify law and policy in the uk to make clear that sex means sex. >> sex. >> so we want the government to clarify the equality act. so that sex discrimination and single sex services means sex. we've been pushing quite hard for the past couple of years for

the government to bring out guidelines schools, because guidelines for schools, because schools don't know do schools don't know what to do with about this, they're with it about this, and they're getting large numbers of children they're children now saying they're trans non—binary . and the trans or non—binary. and the government brought out government has just brought out a draft guidance in england , a draft guidance in england, which we think is not bad . and which we think is not bad. and it's still there are bits that could be better. yes, but it's a huge step forward. it tells teachers that every child has a sex, that you mustn't forget what sex they are , and that what sex they are, and that there are rules in school that relate to sex. >> now understanding was that >> now my understanding was that schools legal schools always had a legal obugafion schools always had a legal obligation to ensure there obligation to ensure that there are single sex facilities, toilets changing areas, etc. some lawyers, uh, robin, moira white, for instance, has has challenged that and said that schools should adhere to the idea of identity first, biology second, where does the law stand on this ? on this? >> um , the law on toilets in >> um, the law on toilets in schools doesn't define fine. um, you know , it says that schools you know, it says that schools should provide separate toilets for boys and girls. yes. and then it doesn't define what a for boys and girls. yes. and theris: doesn't define what a

for boys and girls. yes. and theris and sn't define what a for boys and girls. yes. and theris and whatiefine what a for boys and girls. yes. and theris and what a ine what a for boys and girls. yes. and theris and what a girlwhat a for boys and girls. yes. and theris and what a girl is. at a for boys and girls. yes. and theris and what a girl is. so, boy is and what a girl is. so, robin that if a boy says robin says that if a boy says he's a girl, then is a girl. he's a girl, then he is a girl. but the why law but the reason why the law didn't it was because didn't define it was because nobody ever thought that a boy who he's unhappy about who says he's unhappy about being was a girl. so being a boy was a girl. so that's really interesting, because equality act back in because the equality act back in the the sex as the day used the word sex as a protected characteristic . protected characteristic. >> why you saying that? >> so why are you saying that? well, that that well, no one assumed that that meant other what meant anything other than what we means, we all think it means, because a lot of activists now saying lot of activists are now saying people you are trying to people like you are trying to change change change the law or change the equality redefine the equality act, or redefine the terms within the equality act, what do you make of that criticism? >> um, i mean, the gender recognition act was brought in because , uh, the rest of the law because, uh, the rest of the law doesn't recognise self self—id. yes. so the only way that someone can change their sex in law for some purposes is with a gender recognition certificate. then there's a question of which purposes . um, it definitely purposes. um, it definitely allows people to change their sex for the purpose of marriage . sex for the purpose of marriage. for example, if they want to say they're in a same sex marriage when they're opposite

when they're the opposite sex, they that, but it doesn't they can do that, but it doesn't change their sex for the purposes of other people's conscience people's conscience and other people's perception . um, and if you don't perception. um, and if you don't have a gender recognition certificate, which only 5000 people have, then definitely your sex is not changed just by saying so, just by dressing differently. and munro bergdorf, for example, as far as we know, does not have a gender recognition certificate. um, has had know, some surgery, but had you know, some surgery, but but not. yes. not the full, not the full. and the gender recognition certificate doesn't rely on someone having that surgery. um so the idea that someone can just say i'm a man or i'm a woman , or particularly or i'm a woman, or particularly in a school, a boy or a girl when they're under 18, is just is just nonsense. >> well, that's particularly alarming, isn't it, when it affects children? mean, i'm affects children? i mean, i'm sure teenage don't sure that teenage girls don't want identifying want some boy just identifying as and then undressing as female and then undressing with mean , that seems as female and then undressing witha mean , that seems as female and then undressing witha no mean , that seems as female and then undressing witha no brainer|n , that seems as female and then undressing witha no brainer to that seems as female and then undressing witha no brainer to melt seems as female and then undressing witha no brainer to me . seems like a no brainer to me. >> well, except that some girls have been told, um, you know, be kind. yes. and then the schools

have delegated their responsibility to the children. so the schools will say, well, the girls think it's fine , but the girls think it's fine, but nobody should be putting the girls position to be what girls in the position to be what they don't want to be called. >> bigots do they? >> bigots do they? >> exactly. >> exactly. >> schools haven't the >> so schools haven't had the guidance. this. guidance. they've needed this. this guidance overdue, this guidance is long overdue, isn't have been >> yes. schools have been calling it for past ten years. >> yeah. so you've been >> yeah. so you've you've been doing to doing some work relating to this. do you want to just tell us about that us a little bit about that before finish? us a little bit about that berm, finish? us a little bit about that berm, soinish? us a little bit about that berm, so ,1ish? us a little bit about that berm, so , uh,? us a little bit about that berm, so , uh, we've done quite >> um, so, uh, we've done quite a lot of work saying what should be guidance. yes. we be in the guidance. yes. we rated the guidance that out rated the guidance that came out and it 63. uh, the and gave it 63. uh, the government's asking for feedback on before march the 12th. so on it before march the 12th. so this this week we're going to be publishing guidance for people to help them give feedback, to give them pointers, whether they're whether they're parents, whether they're teachers , clinicians, or they're teachers, clinicians, or they're just concerned aid, how to feed back to the government to make sure that it goes up from 63, hopefully to 100, because that's sort of like a c minus, isn't it? we gave it a b plus. oh, okay. >> you're more generous than i

was i was teacher. okay was when i was a teacher. okay that's great. so can that's great. so where can people about sex people find more about sex matters? globsec . matters? our website is globsec. >> hyphen matters. org >> hyphen matters. org >> that's fantastic and i hope people check it out. my for starter. thank you ever so much. thank you. starter. thank you ever so much. thank you . and next on thank you thank you. and next on free speech nation my panel bruce devlin and frances foster will be back and we'll be answering some more questions about this week's events from this studio audience. this lovely studio audience. don't anywhere

>> but there's a generation in between who've been corrupted by it, and i hope that they can come out of this . welcome back come out of this. welcome back to free speech nation . to free speech nation. >> later in the show, i'll be turning agony uncle with the help of my panel. bruce devlin and francis foster, going and francis foster, we're going to with your to help you deal with your unfiltered dilemmas . so if unfiltered dilemmas. so if you've got any problems whatsoever, just email us at gbviews@gbnews.uk uk. no, that's the old email address is gb views at gb news. com that's how

long i've been at this channel. we'll try to answer all of your problems. so let's some more problems. so let's get some more questions from this delightful studio our first studio audience. our first question comes from daniel. welcome back daniel and brother. hi . how you doing? hi a&e. hey. how are you doing? how you said it. you said it simultaneously . great. what simultaneously. great. what would you like to ask? simultaneously. great. what wotso you like to ask? simultaneously. great. what wotso whatike to ask? simultaneously. great. what wotso what should sk? simultaneously. great. what wotso what should you do if >> so what should you do if a firefighter misgenders you? >> if a firefighter misgenders you okay? this sounds flippant and trivial , but actually what's and trivial, but actually what's happenedis and trivial, but actually what's happened is firefighters are being taught that sex is just a label. it may run on a spectrum . label. it may run on a spectrum. there's more sort of there's more of these sort of activists kind of infiltrating the services . now it's the various services. now it's the various services. now it's the service now , look, the the fire service now, look, the thing is, francis, if i'm rescued by a firefighter in a burning building, he or can burning building, he or she can call whatever the hell they call me whatever the hell they want. i just want to get out of there. want. i just want to get out of the no. that's part your >> no. that's part of your fantasy, though, isn't it? kind >> no. that's part of your faris.;y, though, isn't it? kind >> no. that's part of your faris. yeah. ugh, isn't it? kind >> no. that's part of your faris. yeah. ugh, iyeah,? kind >> no. that's part of your faris. yeah. ugh, iyeah, yeah. of is. yeah. yeah, yeah, yeah. you you just be you know, you just want to be thrown a firefighter . thrown down by a firefighter. >> not make it . >> all right, let's not make it. let's not make this scrappy, okay? so, um. what what do you make of this particular story? >> i it's absolute

>> i mean, it's absolute nonsense. of course it is. of course, course it's nonsense. course, of course it's nonsense. there real serious there are very real and serious challenges within the fire service, not least putting out fires, out fires as fires, putting out fires as well, as well as the fact that, you know , fire services have you know, fire services have been cut , budgets have been cut. been cut, budgets have been cut. paul been cut, budgets have been cut. paul. talked about this paul. embryos talked about this many times this channel and many times on this channel and on my show is this really the time be investing money in time to be investing money in this particular type thing ? i this particular type of thing? i think not, no. >> that's a very good point. and bruce, it seem bit of bruce, it does seem a bit of a nonsense, should nonsense, like why should firefighters get involved in this kind of activism? >> well, i'm putting fires >> well, i'm putting out fires all know you are. all the time. i know you are. that's in my social circle. that's just in my social circle. >> yes, absolutely. everyone goes to you. they've goes to you. if they've got a problem, don't they? a problem, don't they? you're a touchstone. do you know what? >> and >> it's true, actually. and i don't because don't understand why. because i have got have zero interest. you've got zero interest and you give terrible that's not true. >> no, that's not true. >> no, that's not true. >> advice. but >> i give very good advice. but what people is. what annoys me about people is. so if i had a problem and i came to and it was same to you and it was the same problem, give problem, and you could only give me then me the same advice, but then people come wanting different people come wanting a different answer and you're like, well, unless to you, unless i'm going to lie to you, but want? i agree but what do you want? i agree with you. just get people out of

the building. the burning building. >> the >> yeah, that should be the thing. there, thing. a nice tangent there, bruce. rely you bruce. i can always rely on you to completely off to take us completely off course. okay, let's move on now to from hi, to a question from ryan. hi, ryan. hello. hi. >> year. happy new >> happy new year. happy new yeah >> happy new year. happy new year. the pro—palestine year. should the pro—palestine marches the policing? marches pay for the policing? let me ask you about that, ryan, because office because this is the home office looking which are looking at proposals, which are actually because it's 17. >> 17 million. >> how much is it? 17 million. 17 million. policing . uh, 17 million. uh, policing. uh, the what do you think, ryan? do you think they should pay for it? >> well, i think normally normally there's protests, normally when there's protests, they yes. they happen occasionally. yes. and expect the police to and then we expect the police to pay and then we expect the police to pay it. yes. these are pay for it. yes. if these are happening on a almost a weekly basis, you've basis, sooner or later you've got the got to start asking where the money to come from. money is going to come from. >> okay. very interesting. >> yeah. okay. very interesting. i'm come on i'm going to come to you on this, because this, francis, because it's a difficult support the difficult one. i support the right for peaceful protest all the , matter if the time, no matter if i disagree, actually, especially if think it's the if i disagree. i think it's the hallmark democratic hallmark of a democratic society. as ryan society. but these, as ryan says, these marches are happening pretty much all the time now. >> it's every saturday. >> it's every saturday. >> every saturday, it's very expensive police expensive for the police service. it's going to cost 17 million. um, but how can we deal with this? can we really start

charging protesters? >> can't. the reality >> no, you can't. the reality is, we live in a is, is that we live in a democratic society. people have the right to protest. they have the right to protest. they have the right to go out the the right to go out on the streets state their opinion. streets and state their opinion. whatever their may be. whatever their opinion may be. we we're just going to have to bear the brunt of it, i'm afraid. and i think like whether you it you you disagree with it or you agree ultimately agree with it is ultimately irrelevant . irrelevant. >> that's probably right, bruce. you a counter view you want to give a counter view or do you agree? i agree oh well, a shame. or do you agree? i agree oh weth, a shame. or do you agree? i agree oh weth, sorry. shame. >> oh, sorry. >> eam- eam— >> can you play devil's advocate just just for the hell of it. >> no, i agree, you know, the fact of the matter is it's people's right to protest and with the case, it just has to be sucked up. >> yeah, least ryan >> yeah, at least ryan disagreed. we've got a bit. disagreed. so we've got a bit. we've a bit of disagreement. we've got a bit of disagreement. i what ryan's i disagree with what ryan's wearing, but i kept that to myself. >> that was my peaceful >> so that was my peaceful protest. >> so that was my peaceful protethank your >> i thank you for your discretion, bruce. it's very rare to say. rare for you. i have to say. we're move on to we're going to move on to a question from nikita. where's nikita? nikita. hi nikita? hi, nikita. hi >> um. >> um. >> oh, is jeremy hunt deluded about the tories? >> chances is jeremy hunt deluded? >> so. well that's a broad question.

>> that is a question. >> that is a question. >> we could just leave it there. i don't think he is. well, no, but now he's. because basically polling is saying that labour is in landslide. we all know in for a landslide. we all know that whenever general in for a landslide. we all know that happens ler general in for a landslide. we all know that happens later general in for a landslide. we all know that happens later this neral election happens later this yeah election happens later this year. , the year. but jeremy hunt, the chancellor, he's saying that's not he actually said not the case. he actually said to quote to the sun and this is a quote he it's entirely he said, i think it's entirely ours if we are sensible ours to win if we are sensible and prudent and continue on the path we're going, which is to reduce taxes on working families , well, is it theirs to win on? >> no, he is deeply mental. >> no, he is deeply mental. >> okay . >> okay. >> okay. >> or is he just being hopelessly optimistic? there's nothing wrong with a bit of optimism there is wrong with optimism there is wrong with optimism it's delusional, optimism when it's delusional, it's is there ? it's no chance, is there? >> no, absolutely no chance >> no, it's absolutely no chance now . now as well, >> no, it's absolutely no chance now. now as well, i >> no, it's absolutely no chance now . now as well, i have to say now. now as well, i have to say that i don't think it's going to be landslide. i think. be a labour landslide. i think. no, are no, no, i don't think they are because tell why . because i'll tell you why. everybody's anticipating that the red wall are immediately going to revert back labour. going to revert back to labour. yes. the reality is they yes. when the reality is they have dissatisfied , fied have been so dissatisfied, fied and disillusioned with the labouh and disillusioned with the labour, with successive labour governments over the last 20 to 30 years. i can't see them going

back really. >> okay, well, the polling suggests differently. have suggests differently. i do have to but could be because to say, but you could be because the well, been the polls, well, they've been getting few getting it wrong a fair few times the few years, times over the last few years, haven't they. do you think haven't they. what do you think about bruce? because about this, bruce? because i kind the kind of feel like the conservatives just conservatives they should just maybe we're not maybe just say, look, we're not going so just do going to win, so let's just do something. blaze something. go out in a blaze of glory. do something. >> do that, >> why would they do that, though? they say that? though? why would they say that? and done and why hadn't they done it before? to hang before? so they're going to hang on until the last minute, on until the very last minute, aren't going aren't they? they're going to claw he claw on. yeah, exactly. and he probably because probably believes it because he's think think he's deluded. so i think i think that but you never that is the thing. but you never know. be the fact that that is the thing. but you never knc do be the fact that that is the thing. but you never knc do return be the fact that that is the thing. but you never knc do return anothere fact that we do return another conservative government. really. >> the likelihood >> yeah. i think the likelihood is have with is a coalition i have room with the dems . i would have the lib dems. i would have thought, no. thought, oh no. >> i'm afraid. oh yeah. >> yeah, i'm afraid. oh yeah. i popular in this room. >> oh no . really, that means we >> oh no. really, that means we have to learn who ed davey is. >> that woman ? which shirley. >> which shirley? shirley temple? >> no, no , no. not that shirley. >> no, no, no. not that shirley. no. was there not a shirley that was in the lib dems. that was a spitting image puppet. yeah. >> shirley williams yeah. oh spitting image puppet. yeah. >> sishirleyiilliams yeah. oh spitting image puppet. yeah. >> sishirley williamsaah. oh spitting image puppet. yeah. >> sishirley williams oh, oh spitting image puppet. yeah. >> sishirley williams oh, she's yeah shirley williams oh, she's not anymore.

not with us anymore. >> about that . sorry >> oh, sorry about that. sorry actually, no, i'm big on politics. yeah, it really governs my life . governs my life. >> okay. to avoid any awkwardness , we're going to move awkwardness, we're going to move on swiftly to a question from anna. where's anna? peter. oh, peter . was it. oh, well, my peter. was it. oh, well, my autocue says anna. hello, peter. do you mind me called no do you mind me called anna? no he clearly does . he clearly does. >> is that anna's blouse ? >> is that anna's blouse? >> is that anna's blouse? >> peter, tell me your question. good evening andrew. >> good evening . >> good evening. >> good evening. >> first of all, thank you very much you and to everybody. gb much to you and to everybody. gb news for allowing us to be able to discuss all of this. >> well, that is very kind of you, peter. very kind indeed. you should have got a round of applause value us. >> us. >> anna. yes peter. >> anna. yes peter. >> what's your question? >> what's your question? >> now for the question. >> now for the question. >> um, our victims of vaccine injuries being censored, our victims of the vaccines being censored or vaccine injuries. >> this is a interesting one because, um, as you know, a number of people have had some serious injuries due to the oxford astrazeneca covid vaccine

. uh, and they say now , this was . uh, and they say now, this was an article in the telegraph, they're talking about how they faced social media faced censorship on social media when to discuss when trying to discuss the symptoms. a lot of them are symptoms. and a lot of them are saying that they have to self—censor otherwise saying that they have to self—c media otherwise saying that they have to self—c media shut rwise saying that they have to self—c media shut them social media groups shut them down. about this. down. now they think about this. francis know, obviously down. now they think about this. fran(all know, obviously down. now they think about this. fran(all of know, obviously down. now they think about this. fran(all of this know, obviously down. now they think about this. fran(all of this stuff, obviously down. now they think about this. fran(all of this stuff and'iously with all of this stuff and there's been lots of complaints about misinformation and disinformation. about misinformation and disinformatisome people of fact that some people have suffered injuries as a result of this vaccine. they should surely be allowed to talk about that. why? why would they be censored for about that? why? why would they be censored for well, about that? why? why would they be censored for well, abcwere at? why? why would they be censored for well, abcwere they were >> well, they were they were being censored for talking about it because thought that it is because they thought that if these people allowed to if these people were allowed to speak, of speak, these victims of the vaccine, that would damage vaccine, that that would damage uptake of the vaccine and less people would want to do that. yes. but the reality is the truth will always come out. there's only so long that you can put the lid a subject can put the lid on a subject like this, especially we like this, especially when we have social media. we have channels like this where people do get given the opportunity to speak. >> i find it very confusing because that because everybody knows that all vaccines all medical vaccines and all medical treatments, fact, have treatments, in fact, have a certain small minority of people who have reaction to it, an

who have a reaction to it, an adverse . so why are we adverse reaction. so why are we surprised by and what is surprised by it and why? what is the in letting this other the harm in letting this other than would than you think it means it would put taking the put people off taking the vaccine? is that the only reason? >> p- e also conflated >> because we also conflated we've vaccine with >> because we also conflated we've a vaccine with >> because we also conflated we've a moral vaccine with >> because we also conflated we've a moral person. ie with >> because we also conflated we've a moral person. it'sith being a moral person. it's dunng being a moral person. it's during the pandemic, if during during the pandemic, if you the vaccine, you didn't take the vaccine, you were unclean. were immoral, you were unclean. you were letting people down. you were letting people down. you were letting people down. you were putting others you were you were putting others at risk. >> yeah , that did trouble me >> yeah, that did trouble me about bruce because the about it. bruce because the coercion of it, know coercion element of it, you know , you you should take it. you're a bad person. if you don't, you can't don't. can't travel. if you don't. i mean, what did do? you have can't travel. if you don't. i meéthoughtslid do? you have can't travel. if you don't. i meéthoughts about do? you have can't travel. if you don't. i meéthoughts about that?(ou have any thoughts about that? >> but my friend jojo >> well, no. but my friend jojo did because she was very, very against it. and people really give a hard time. give it a hard time. >> been on this show >> she's been on this show a number of times. >> has unfortunately. >> yes, she has unfortunately. and stop. but but and i'd like it to stop. but but no, she had a really , no, genuinely, she had a really, really because she was really hard time because she was very don't want to take very much i don't want to take it, if it, you know, that's fine. if you it. here are you want to take it. here are the i always say to the reason what i always say to people whether agree people was whether you agree with not, it's incredibly with her or not, it's incredibly well if you go well researched, like if you go through she, through every thing that she, you didn't come you know, she didn't just come up was looking up with various she was looking into it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> she was looking into decision

>> yeah. >a she was looking into decision >> yeah. >a very was looking into decision >> yeah. >a very informedng into decision >> yeah. >a very informed decision.acision >> yeah. >a very informed decision. buton , a very informed decision. but the funny thing she was the funny thing was she was actually out actually doing herself out of work, in places work, particularly in places like australia and whatever, because like, we because they were like, we can only on these boards, because they were like, we can oane on these boards, because they were like, we can oane can on these boards, because they were like, we can oane can only)n these boards, because they were like, we can oane can only haveese boards, because they were like, we can oane can only have you»oards, because they were like, we can oane can only have you overs, because they were like, we can oane can only have you over if so we can only have you over if you have valid vaccine. you have a valid vaccine. yeah. >> think more >> okay. well, i just think more for more speech better than for more speech is better than restricted matter restricted speech, no matter what topic, far as i'm what the topic, as far as i'm concerned. next on free concerned. anyway next on free speech , we're going to speech nation, we're going to ask have so ask why feminists have been so slow condemn horrendous slow to condemn the horrendous violence . that has violence against women. that has sadly been a feature of the ongoing east conflict. sadly been a feature of the ongiall] east conflict. sadly been a feature of the ongiall feministszast conflict. sadly been a feature of the ongiall feminists , st conflict. sadly been a feature of the ongiall feminists , of conflict. sadly been a feature of the ongiall feminists , of course,. not all feminists, of course, but a lot of feminists. we'll see just a few moments .

welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation . the conflict in the nation. the conflict in the middle east between israel and hamas continues, and one of its hallmarks has been the horrific violence inflicted on women, notably by hamas terrorists who raped and murdered israeli women dunng raped and murdered israeli women during their attack on the

country 7th of october. and country on 7th of october. and yet, condemnation of the outrage has not as widespread has not been as widespread as you continuation you might expect. a continuation of western of a trend whereby some western feminists denounce apparently of a trend whereby some western feminiexamples1ce apparently of a trend whereby some western feminiexamples of apparently of a trend whereby some western feminiexamples of supposed.y trivial examples of supposed sexism, but are less strident when it comes to genuine violence against women. journalist and author ella whelan has been writing about this, and she joins me now. ella, welcome to show. ella, welcome to the show. i want to ask . you about this want to ask. you about this because after the pogrom on the 7th of october and we were all absolutely horrified by what went on, and there plenty of went on, and there was plenty of evidence had been evidence that women had been sexually that sexually assaulted during that attack. did see a number of attack. i did see a number of commentators sort trying commentators sort of trying to fudge or to say , well, fudge it or trying to say, well, unless we've seen specific footage of that, we can't really . say that that happened. what's going on there? >> yeah, it was quite remarkable, actually, that you, uh, to my mind, quite solid uh, to my mind, had quite solid evidence heinous uh, to my mind, had quite solid evid barbaric heinous uh, to my mind, had quite solid evid barbaric things heinous uh, to my mind, had quite solid evid barbaric things happenings uh, to my mind, had quite solid evid barbaric things happening in and barbaric things happening in particular women . and we particular to women. and we know now hamas has weaponized now that hamas has weaponized rape . and in a deliberate and rape. and in a deliberate and targeted and methodical manner ,

targeted and methodical manner, um, committed acts of inhumanity to women that are unimaginable in any other situation . um, and in any other situation. um, and that was all sort of there . and that was all sort of there. and actually there's quite there was images and footage and things like that in places , if you like that in places, if you wanted look for on wanted to look for it on the internet, hard internet, it wasn't hard to find. um and it was just, it was it was very hard to compare the sort of silent reaction to that or the sort of obfuscating , or the sort of obfuscating, well, we shouldn't rush to comment . well, we should use comment. well, we should use journalistic sort of discerning procedures . let's hang journalistic sort of discerning procedures. let's hang on a minute. which have their place, but that sort of hold back attitude just did not happen in relation to the harvey weinstein allegation . it didn't happen in allegation. it didn't happen in relation to even something like the ne gate stuff in westminster. >> just remind us of that. >> just remind us of that. >> so that was when a, a journalist commentator sort of alleged that a member of parliament had , i'm remembering parliament had, i'm remembering right, touched her knee at right, had touched her knee at some kind of family gathering and it turned it, turned and it turned into it, turned into this called into this thing called pestminster. into this thing called pestminster . and it blew up into pestminster. and it blew up into this. but it was a serious thing

at time. remember talking at the time. i remember talking about it on sky news, this sort of international of almost international discussion about whether british politics was rotten to its core because of a ne touch , because because of a ne touch, because of grey's. of a ne grey's. >> yes. >> yes. >> um, and, you e um, and, you know, you >> and, um, and, you know, you can kind of laugh at that, but you can also think, well, hang on a minute, that i suppose the only lot of only conclusion that a lot of jewish social media jewish women on social media have jews have come to is the sort of jews don't metoo but not if don't count. metoo but not if you're a jew. um, argument. >> that's very interesting because i know you've written a lot. i've read your what lot. i've read your book. what women want is that what it's called? that called? yeah. and i know that you've written in the a lot you've written in the past a lot about legacy of metoo has about the legacy of metoo has often believe all often been believe all complainants. anyone makes complainants. anyone who makes an . but you don't an allegation. but you don't think that's the right approach, do you? at all. do you? no, not at all. >> because you. well, let's >> because if you. well, let's let's be sort of honest. i think most make moral most people make moral judgements the privacy of judgements in the privacy of their thoughts. you their own thoughts. and so you hear you might their own thoughts. and so you hear well, you might their own thoughts. and so you hear well, i you might their own thoughts. and so you hear well, i believe (ou might their own thoughts. and so you hear well, i believe thatnight think, well, i believe that or i don't. yeah. but gets don't. yeah. but what gets discussed public realm is discussed in the public realm is very you know very different. so you know what, what has legal ramifications, ramifications for someone's for their public someone's job, for their public persona . yeah. i think you

persona. yeah. i think you should preach caution when you sort of go down the route of making comments that . making passing comments on that. but mean , i just but there's also, i mean, i just don't really understand the unwillingness to believe . i unwillingness to believe. i think this is sort of something similar that happened around the sort discussion about whether sort of discussion about whether or there were x number of or not there were x number of dead those dead babies, whether those babies were to what extent they were mutilated or the rest of it. there was this sort of, um, there was sort of this practice of disbelief didn't seem to of disbelief that didn't seem to apply situation or apply in any other situation or hadnt apply in any other situation or hadn't applied in any other situation of war. >> do you have any idea why that is? was absolutely baffled. is? i was absolutely baffled. exactly when exactly what you say when they're about how many they're talking about how many babies or how babies have been beheaded or how many like, why should that matter? an atrocity. why? matter? it's an atrocity. why? why bogged in the details? >> well, i think you kind of have what's going have to understand what's going on in relation the sort of, on in relation to the sort of, um, public discussion about hamas and israel and the whole sort of difficult con , you know, sort of difficult con, you know, history of that conflict and, you know, all the rest of it, that people have various opinions of. and i think there should open space that to should be open space for that to

be don't like the be debated. i don't like the idea that just off idea that we just shut off all conversation palestinians conversation about palestinians self—determination about self—determination or about what's in gaza or any what's happening in gaza or any of that. i think that should still open. but there was but still be open. but there was but there been this naked there has been this naked unwillingness to condemn hamas. there has been this naked unw in ngness to condemn hamas. there has been this naked unw in relationo condemn hamas. there has been this naked unw in relation to :ondemn hamas. there has been this naked unw in relation to the emn hamas. there has been this naked unw in relation to the sort hamas. there has been this naked unw in relation to the sort of|mas. and in relation to the sort of question of hamas weaponization of rape , you have and this is of rape, you have and this is why i wrote the piece for spiked. this sort of attitude within western feminism, and particularly western feminists, official organisations like un women. yeah. and myself, i've just been talking about not covered themselves in glory recently . right. who know, recently. right. who you know, releasing these of, um, releasing all these sort of, um, campaigns . releasing all these sort of, um, campaigns. hashtag no releasing all these sort of, um, campaigns . hashtag no excuse, campaigns. hashtag no excuse, end violence against women, blah, blah, blah . this is weeks blah, blah, blah. this is weeks after the 7th of october attacks, and it took them two months to release. two months? yes. to release a statement on twitter in which they said, we believe that all israeli and all palestinian women should be able to live in peace. and you just think, , that's actually think, oh, that's actually disgusting, that you think that you away with trying to you can get away with trying to be of organisation

be the head of an organisation that stands up against violence , that stands up against violence, against and have against women, and you have ignored the one of the most heinous attacks on women in sort of living history. >> do you have any sense of why? >> do you have any sense of why? >> that it's >> and i think that it's because, know, and this is because, you know, and this is where sort of where it becomes sort of difficult talk there difficult to talk about. there has standing has been a sort of long standing unwillingness face the unwillingness to face the barbarity of islamism . um, to barbarity of islamism. um, to talk about the kind of, uh, the sort of cultural . problems in sort of cultural. problems in our own country of islamist home grown sort of set element attitudes, not just not just attitudes, not just not just attitudes towards women, but also a general kind of, uh , also a general kind of, uh, nihilistic sort of barbarity. and i think the unwillingness to go there means is because people feel like they're going to be called islamophobic. yes. and there's a cowardice in, you know, very be able know, it's very easy to be able to say there is a difference between muslims and islam. a whole load of people over there whole load of people over there who think that thing and like any other religion and islamism, which very islamist which is a very islamist violence, which is a very different thing. yes. and i think that cowardice has to be called that is a very

called out. well, that is a very clear way of putting it. >> so thank you that, ella. clear way of putting it. >> sreally1k you that, ella. clear way of putting it. >> sreally thank that, ella. clear way of putting it. >> sreally thank youthat, ella. clear way of putting it. >> sreally thank youthatjoining and really thank you for joining me show again. thank you. me on the show again. thank you. there's plenty more to come tonight on speech nation, tonight on free speech nation, including news of a record payout won by a lloyd's bank manager who was sacked for unfair dismissal. and after the break, bruce and francis will be here our audience here to talk to our audience again. anywhere. here to talk to our audience agaa. anywhere. here to talk to our audience agaa brighter anywhere. here to talk to our audience agaa brighter outlook ere. box >> a brighter outlook with box solar, sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello, i'm marco petagna . >> hello, i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office . update from the met office. we'll see plenty of fine weather across much of the uk in the days ahead. some sunshine at times, hazards times, but equally a few hazards to with. of a fairly to contend with. all of a fairly wintry flavour. cold wintry flavour. with cold air in place the uk , high place across the uk, high pressure is dominating, sitting towards the and northeast towards the north and northeast of moment, fairly of the uk at the moment, fairly tightly isobars down tightly packed isobars down towards indicating towards the south, indicating quite breeze . and that's quite a brisk breeze. and that's feeding some showers in across the england. southern the north of england. southern parts evening, parts of scotland this evening, working their west into the working their way west into the irish towards the east of irish sea towards the east of northern ireland. as head

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>> there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation this week, including toby young, social sensations , unfiltered social sensations, unfiltered dilemmas and a discussion of labour's plans to increase nursery places. plus, we've got more questions on the week's news from this wonderful studio audience. but first, let's get a news update from sam francis . news update from sam francis. >> andrew, thank you very much. good evening. i'm sam francis in the gb news room. the headlines at eight strikes by london

underground workers, which would have tube services to a have brought tube services to a standstill in the capital this week , have been suspended. week, have been suspended. however, is warning that however, tfl is warning that there will still disruption there will still be disruption tomorrow because the walkouts were called off so late. members of the rmt were due to strike in protest over a 5% pay offer. however the union says that the planned action will no longer go ahead after progress was made in discussions tfl today. discussions with tfl today. meanwhile all 170 flood warnings remain in place across england and over 1800 properties have been damaged by flood waters. after not being after being criticised for not meeting with flood victims, the prime minister has today been speaking with some of the residents affected in oxford, rishi sunak also met environment agency workers at their depot on osney island to see firsthand their battle with rising river levels. the prime minister says the government's flood defences are working. there have been many people affected by what's happened over the past week, but also 49,000 homes have been

protected from flooding as a result of that investment , protected from flooding as a result of that investment, and also things like the pumps that i've been seeing here today and the flood barriers just in the community i've been walking around, hundreds of have around, hundreds of homes have been protected because of those investments been protected because of those investmen course, this is going >> but of course, this is going to devastating for who to be devastating for those who are which why are impacted, which is why there's support in there's financial support in place. overall, the place. but overall, the investment into investment that's going into flood is at very, flood defences is at a very, very level . very high level. >> well, from the rain to the snow, we're being warned that more winter is the more winter weather is on the way amber cold health way as an amber cold health alert been issued parts alert has been issued for parts of office has of england, the met office has also issued a yellow weather warning from 4:00 tomorrow. snow andiceis warning from 4:00 tomorrow. snow and ice is likely to affect roads and train services in parts of greater london, kent, surrey, east sussex and west sussex . in other news, labour sussex. in other news, labour has accused the conservatives of caving to the reported demands of a disgraced former mp in choosing his partner to replace him . peter bone was ousted from him. peter bone was ousted from the commons in december after an inquiry had found that he had subjected a staff member to bullying and sexual misconduct

leaked this afternoon. helen harrison was selected as the new conservative candidate to stand in his place during an upcoming by—election a date for that by—election a date for that by—election will be set once mps return to parliament this week . return to parliament this week. meanwhile, rishi sunak has denied that he had any hesitation about the government's rwanda scheme when he was chancellor. the bbc claims to have seen documents suggesting that he was sceptical about the plan , stating that he about the plan, stating that he stating that the rather deterrent won't work . but the deterrent won't work. but the prime minister said that it was his job to ask probing questions about every policy that came across his desk . a government across his desk. a government government minister, laura trott, rwanda is the trott, says rwanda is the deterrent that the uk needs . deterrent that the uk needs. >> i am sure that he was asking a lot of questions about the policy , but look at his actions, policy, but look at his actions, look what he's done . you know, look what he's done. you know, he's the illegal he's introduced the illegal migration bill into the house of commons, rwanda bill, which commons, the rwanda bill, which will rwanda to this will introduce rwanda to this country and will mean that we overturn the issues that were

raised by the court of appeal . raised by the court of appeal. it will mean that flights can take off to rwanda, which we think is incredibly important because we know deterrence works. we've seen what happened with albania deal, where with the albania deal, where they returned to their they do get returned to their country of origin . country of origin. >> a probe carrying british technology is preparing to blast off into space tomorrow , in what off into space tomorrow, in what could be a first for a private company. the us peregrine mission, one will attempt to land on the lunar surface. it's set to be one of the first us moon landings since the final apollo mission. more than 50 years ago. on board will be a special sensor developed by scientists here in the uk, which will the thin lunar will analyse the thin lunar atmosphere to find out just how water is moving around the moon . water is moving around the moon. and londoners have joined commuters around the world, stripping down to their pants and heading out on the underground . groups of underground. groups of travellers bared their legs for the annual no trousers tube ride. videos on social media show the event, where people use ticket machines and escalators without their trousers . and line

without their trousers. and line platforms as they showcase, well, underwear of all styles and colours , rather them than and colours, rather them than me. this is gb news. we're across the uk on tv in your car, digital radio and of course on your smart speaker. just say play your smart speaker. just say play gb news. now though, it's back to free speech nation . back to free speech nation. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. >> let's get some more questions from our lovely audience. so the first question is from mary. hello again and to you , do hello again mary. and to you, do james bond films need a trigger warning? and we're warning? yeah. and well, we're often having stories like this. this latest . so the this is the latest. so the british film institute , uh, british film institute, uh, they've basically been showing some james bond films as they do . they've given it blanket . they've given it a blanket trigger because they say trigger warning because they say it cause offence . uh, i it might cause offence. uh, i think something about think it says something about how films filmed in how the films were filmed in a different time. they're a bit

old. well, we know that, don't we? i mean, we know they're not new. yeah. what's the point? i don't know what the point is. >> i no what the point >> i have no idea what the point is all this is of practically all of this stuff . some of these stuff anymore. some of these films, i think doctor no was 62. yeah >> if fleming was still alive. so. yeah, 62. >> yeah. so that's 62 years ago. yeah the world was different. 62 years yeah, i think years ago. andrew. yeah, i think people are familiar with that. >> it's worse than that, >> but it's worse than that, isn't it, because some of ian fleming's books , actually of fleming's books, actually all of the books been the james bond books have been rewritten and not rewritten, but the featuring the offensive elements featuring outdated have been outdated stereotype have been sort of tweaked and changed for a new series. and i recently bought the old james bond books for my partner, and i had to go, uh, basically online and get second hand books so that he could books. not could read the actual books. not what 20 something what some 20 something activist executive thought he should read. . read. that's frustrating. >> it frustrating. they did >> it is frustrating. they did the thing to roald dahl. the same thing to roald dahl. you roald was you know, roald dahl was a genius children's writer , genius of a children's writer, and they took out all of the bits the that bits of the books that they thought offensive , thought would be offensive, which, ironically enough, are the that kids love the

most. >> yeah, of course. so why bother trigger warning bother with the trigger warning on a james bond film? i would have to trigger a warning have liked to trigger a warning for seen those for the news, having seen those repulsive the tube repulsive limbs in the tube station pants . station and really cheap pants. >> yeah, i think that's that is a fair point with stuff that's happening here. >> now. honestly, that was >> and now. honestly, that was like cellulite soup the musical. >> was some, some >> yes, there was some, some kind protest that people kind of protest that people wearing no trousers and children wandering around. >> people askance i >> -- >> oh, you're so victorian. what's wrong with what's wrong with the leg? what's wrong with the that, >> well, when it's like that, that the that's the that was the human. that's the leg equivalent the bingo leg equivalent of the bingo wing. it floating in the wind. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> okay. bruce is failing >> okay. again. bruce is failing to on the topic, but to stick on the topic, but that's fair enough. yeah, we like his desultory ways. let's move on to a question from john. where is john? >> you think that the >> hello. do you think that the use phones should be use of mobile phones should be banned during up comedy banned during stand up comedy gigs? oh blimey. >> yes. oh blimey. >> yes. oh blimey. >> a nerve here, >> you've touched a nerve here, john. um, because we've all been in as comedians where in situations as comedians where people their mobile phones in situations as comedians where peofbut their mobile phones in situations as comedians where peofbut thereeir mobile phones in situations as comedians where peofbut there was obile phones in situations as comedians where peofbut there was abile phones in situations as comedians where peofbut there was a storyiones in situations as comedians where peofbut there was a story thiss out. but there was a story this week, this to do with week, and this was to do with dave , and he walked

dave chappelle, and he walked off stage because a took off stage because a fan took their mobile out . and their mobile phone out. and you must a bruce, do must get this a lot. bruce, do you ever feel doing that? you ever feel like doing that? just no i just get just walking off? no i just get them out. them thrown out. >> okay >> right. okay >> right. okay >> because i'm like, why are you on or excuse it's on your phone or excuse me, it's like you're a book. like you're doing a new book. are you ordering drugs? because if ordering drugs, can are you ordering drugs? because if wholerdering drugs, can are you ordering drugs? because if whole audience'ugs, can are you ordering drugs? because if whole audience'ugs, isome? are you ordering drugs? because if 'you e audience'ugs, isome? are you ordering drugs? because if 'you know,ence'ugs, isome? are you ordering drugs? because if 'you know,ence'ugsyou me? and you know, why are you being so it is like the laptop so stupid? it is like the laptop thing. don't understand thing. yeah, i don't understand why know no why people i know that no one likes adhere rules. likes to adhere by rules. but when you go into public place when you go into a public place and entertainment and it's an entertainment space, whether it's a theatre or a comedy to comedy club, you're going to have that of have to maybe shave that bit of rigidity off yourself. yes. and if too invested, woman if too you're invested, a woman said, , i have to have the said, oh, no, i have to have the phone of the phone out because of the babysitter. and i said, if you don't babysitter. and i said, if you dont you don't trust your babysitter, you go after your go home and look after your children . i wouldn't children. and i wouldn't start the until gone the gig again until she'd gone because thought, a boot because i thought, you're a boot and you out. i and i want you out. i had a similar situation. >> someone on their phone in the third something, and third row or something, and i wouldn't. going third row or something, and i wouldnuntil going third row or something, and i wouldn until he going third row or something, and i wouldnuntil he turned going at him until he turned it off. >> put it away. you know, it became a sort of thing. became like a sort of thing. >> i think really >> but i think it's really important mean, i was in important that, i mean, i was in new the comedy new york recently at the comedy cellar, do take cellar, and they do take everyone's at the start everyone's phone at the start of the put in little

the show, put them in little bags. do you bags. your bags. now, do you think start doing think we should start doing that kind think we should start doing that kin�*well, of the warm think we should start doing that kini'that of the warm think we should start doing that kini'that i of the warm think we should start doing that kini'that i do of the warm think we should start doing that kini'that i do for, of the warm think we should start doing that kini'that i do for, uh, the warm think we should start doing that kini'that i do for, uh, rupaul's| ups that i do for, uh, rupaul's production because production company because it's so and they don't want so spectac and they don't want any leaks and all that kind of stuff. you have your stuff. yeah, you have your stuff taken so that's partly taken away, so that's partly what isn't what it is, isn't it? >> some people don't >> uh, some people they don't want they can >> uh, some people they don't wantwhat's they can >> uh, some people they don't wantwhat's on they can >> uh, some people they don't wantwhat's on nowthey can >> uh, some people they don't wantwhat's on now that'san film what's going on now that's particularly if particularly bad, isn't it, if you're material out , you're trying new material out, of it could go of course. and it could go wrong, of course. >> and it's also as well i remember worst . the worst remember the worst. the worst heckle there was heckle i've ever seen. there was a stage . he was a comedian on stage. he was doing material and he doing his material and he noficed doing his material and he noticed that somebody had their phone and listening to phone out and was listening to something on their phone. he went , oh, are something on their phone. he went, oh, are you listening to something on your phone? and the woman yeah, i mean, and he woman went, yeah, i mean, and he went, listening to ? went, what are you listening to? and she michael mcintyre . and she went, michael mcintyre. oh oh, just. >> yeah. that's just i've never recovered from that. >> no, that is absolutely soul destroying. >> so don't take your phones, please. and i hate hit the please. and i hate to hit the cinema well. cinema as well. >> turn your off. >> turn your phones off. >> turn your phones off. >> i to go cinema. >> i used to go to the cinema. >> i used to go to the cinema. >> because that? >> really? because of that? >> really? because of that? >> it's just self—imposed >> no, it's just self—imposed incarceration. worried incarceration. i'm worried enough. to jail anyway,

enough. i go to jail anyway, so i enjoy last of my freedom. >> that's fair okay, >> that's fair enough. okay, we're now to we're going to move on now to a question joe. where is joe? question from joe. where is joe? hi, hello. 2024. >> hello. 2024. >> hello. 2024. >> you , do you think the >> and to you, do you think the royal have done enough to royal family have done enough to acknowledge its minority staff? >> very interesting, because this, out this week, this, uh, came out this week, this, uh, came out this week, this uh, there is an this story, uh, there is an exhibition by the palace and lgbtqia+ black asian royal servants in attendance from the last 300 years. >> years are going to be honoured in this . it's called honoured in this. it's called untold lives . now, the thing untold lives. now, the thing about this, francis, which did strike me, is actually really the focus should be on class , the focus should be on class, shouldn't it? because over the past 300 years, i would suggest to that a lot of poor to them that a lot of poor people have worked there. people all have worked there. and don't it's fair to and i don't think it's fair to say white ones were say that the white ones were particularly not particularly privileged. why not just why not just talk about that? why not talk well actually, talk about that? well actually, when reading about the when i was reading about the exhibition, i thought that's actually interested in the actually quite interested in the fact that people were from overseas or different overseas or from different cultures races who in 200 cultures or races who in 200 years ago, that is an interesting story to tell, but

we've got to a place now, and it's actually really quite sad that at the moment we hear of any exhibition or any particular exhibition or story like this. >> whereas ten years ago we'd be like, oh, that's quite interesting. now we just tend to roll at really , roll our eyes at it and really, the family should be the royal family should be focusing less on that and focusing maybe less on that and maybe behaviour of prince maybe on the behaviour of prince andrew. oh wow. >> okay. i you'd get it. >> okay. i knew you'd get it. i knew you'd get it in somehow. so, but so to speak. what so, uh. but so to speak. what what do you think about this one, bruce? >> um, i think that the royal family should just have think family should just have a think about the way that. well, particularly princess michael of kent. particularly princess michael of kent . oh, really? yeah. do you not? >> well, i mean, i don't know much about princess, do you not? >> well, i mean, the hairline, the attitude, the screaming the bad attitude, the screaming at restaurants in new at people in restaurants in new york. all done that. york. oh, we've all done that. well, true actually. well, that's true actually. yeah. you're not a royalist then, are you? no no, no i do. i don't mind the royal. i know being from scotland, not being from scotland, we're not meant like them or whatever. meant to like them or whatever. i princess anne. she i really like princess anne. she spends time in spends a lot of time in edinburgh. been at couple spends a lot of time in edfunctions been at couple spends a lot of time in edfunctions bihehat couple spends a lot of time in edfunctions bihehat likese of functions with her. she likes to does party trick to drink. she does a party trick with takes

with her hair. she takes the chignon because one chignon out because it's one of these he roll these things that he could roll her and she puts it her in, and then she puts it back in quick speed and has another drink. i mean, my another drink. i mean, that's my kind of girl. that is incredible. have met her? incredible. have you met her? oh, of times. oh, yeah, a couple of times. yeah yeah. yeah yeah, yeah. >> drunk with >> are you getting drunk with her bruce? that her and fiona bruce? i mean that to me. >> t- t— >> just stop it. you're not meant to know about that. but fiona a drink. meant to know about that. but fi0|yeah. a drink. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> okay, move >> yeah. >>okay. >> okay, let's move on now to. you didn't have say that. you didn't have to say that. bruce . but let's move bruce allegedly. but let's move on a question from solomon. on to a question from solomon. where's solomon? hi, solomon . where's solomon? hi, solomon. >> hi there. my question is, is trump a threat to the security of the uk? trump a threat to the security of tyeah. ? trump a threat to the security of tyeah. donald trump back in >> yeah. donald trump back in the news week i saw this the news this week i saw this article. it was actually front cover the i. they're really cover of the i. they're really going it. and three going for it. and this is three diploma mattes uh are saying that government facing that the government is facing a massive security risk if donald trump elected president. trump is elected president. they've said that britain needs to make contingency plans in case donald trump gets elected . case donald trump gets elected. um, now they call this, don't they? trump derangement syndrome? now i'm syndrome? is that right now i'm no of donald trump, i no fan of donald trump, but i still look at this and i think, come on, calm down right a little bit. look, absolutely early.

>> i mean, the news come on. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> of course. what are your contingency plans going to be against president the against the president of the united america ? right. united states of america? right. what what things are you what what what things are you going to put place to protect yourself? >> well, you get some farms >> well, you get some bot farms to that the other guy to make sure that the other guy wins. could do that kind of wins. you could do that kind of thing. know. thing. maybe. i don't know. >> okay. but the >> right. okay. maybe but the reality look, trump reality is, is, look, if trump is win, which looks is going to win, which it looks likely he will do, really, likely that he will do, really, if biden to win, if they get biden to win, because at this point they're just propping him with just propping him up with sticks. yeah . sticks. yeah, yeah. >> i mean this is >> poor biden i mean this is i actually feel sorry for biden. i think unfair on biden to think it's unfair on biden to have run again . he clearly have to run again. he clearly doesn't his party doesn't want to. his party doesn't want to. his party doesn't him to. just doesn't want him to. he just wants to be sitting home with doesn't want him to. he just wjigsaw. be sitting home with a jigsaw. >> why don't is he >> why don't they just is he capable doing a jigsaw capable of doing a jigsaw attempt? jigsaw, you know, capable of doing a jigsaw attenwould jigsaw, you know, capable of doing a jigsaw attenwould jifunny?ou know, what would be funny? if the jigsaw trump ? that would jigsaw was of trump? that would be because that be amazing, because that actually finish actually might just finish him off. sorry. going to off. i'm sorry. going back to the threat to security, what the threat to the security, what trump's and trump's going to come in and fake i really fake tan everyone i mean really worried . we have that with worried about. we have that with the way essex. yeah. the only way is essex. yeah. so his already here. his crime is already here. >> i really don't >> it is. i really don't understand the issue here. why

they just go absolutely mad over this. to an this. it's going to be an interesting though. interesting election though. anyway, to be an anyway, it's going to be an interesting think interesting year. i think politically have interesting year. i think pilot cally have interesting year. i think pilot of.ly have interesting year. i think pilot of.ly with have interesting year. i think pilot of.ly with this'e a lot of fun with this on this show anyway, going to move show anyway, we're going to move on question. has on now to a question. this has come twitter come in from our twitter account. let's it account. sorry x. let's get it right. oh, and this is jenny with the question. it's a were joey beyond joey barton's comments beyond the barton. he's the pale joey barton. he's someone i heard of this week. uh, this is uh, itv are going mad about this. they're really angry because barton has angry because joey barton has had made some comments about x about pundits, but he's about female pundits, but he's talking about all sorts of things at moment. talking about all sorts of things at moment . and now things at the moment. and now people are saying that what things at the moment. and now peopwhate saying that what things at the moment. and now peopwhat he'sing that what things at the moment. and now peopwhat he's sort hat what things at the moment. and now peopwhat he's sort of: what things at the moment. and now peopwhat he's sort of he's what things at the moment. and now peopwhat he's sort of he's been: he's what he's sort of he's been radicalised, that of thing. radicalised, that kind of thing. you this than you know more about this than i do, going to do, francis. so i'm going to defer right? defer to you right? >> okay. what joey is >> okay. so what joey barton is saying is you shouldn't saying is that you shouldn't have female pundits. now he's got no problem with commentators because commentators just describe but what a describe the action. but what a pundh describe the action. but what a pundit does in a football match is a breakdown. the play, and they explain what's happening in they explain what's happening in the his argument is, is the play and his argument is, is when you have a match which is of the level, for of the highest level, for instance , a premier league,

instance, a premier league, champions league or international, then the only people can speak on it people who can speak on it authoritatively are people who have the men's game have played the men's game at the very highest level. and to then involve, uh, people who haven't done that is tokenistic . haven't done that is tokenistic. and ultimately they don't know what they're talking about. >> mean, does sort of >> i mean, that does sort of make me. and it doesn't make sense to me. and it doesn't seem to me like an equality issue.i seem to me like an equality issue. i mean, the thing that issue. i mean, the thing is that he be all out he seems to be coming all out against edi, you know, equality, diversity, inclusion kind of things. make of that? >> so, well, what he's been saying he's been singling out >> so, well, what he's been sayi particular been singling out >> so, well, what he's been sayi particular pundit ngling out >> so, well, what he's been sayi particular pundit called,out one particular pundit called, uh, or aluko. uh, he's uh, and or inaya aluko. uh, he's saying that the only reason that she has been air time is she has been getting air time is because of, uh, equality, diversity and inclusion. yes. and her and another pundit, i remember her name. he called them the fred and rosemary west of punditry. >> he's not being >> so? so he's not being delicate in his analogies? >> no, no, he's not mincing his words at all in any way. >> you think, though, >> but don't you think, though, that approach is that that kind of approach is counter productive? to his point ? >> 7. >>i 7- >> i think, 7— >> i think, to 7 >> i think, to be honest with you , there is a discussion to be you, there is a discussion to be had around this, but i think joey is just delighting and

annoying and as many people as possible . you realise that he's possible. you realise that he's annoyed so many people that actually some left wing commentators are saying that he's auditioning for a place on this channel. >> and interesting. this channel. >> well, nteresting. this channel. >> well, nteresjoey , you're more >> well, well, joey, you're more than welcome to and chat than welcome to come and chat with us. joey not the one with us. was joey not the one that in french at some that spoke in french at some press conference? >> so why are we even listening to a bin lid that doesn't know what he's actually from? do you think, what he's actually from? do you thiri, there a thing. >> i mean, there is a thing. it's very easy to offend people and upset people i you and upset people. i know, you know, time. know, you do it all the time. >> opened the door. yeah, exactly. >> maybe, >> so maybe, you know, you're going people do, you going to get people do, you know, play along that, like know, play along with that, like joeyon and make comparisons full on and make comparisons with west. mean it's with rose west. i mean it's going you really think female >> do you really think female punditry there punditry is up there with murder? don't know . well murder? no, i don't know. well that's comparison that's where the comparison with ross just doesn't make sense. >> it's a joke. >> it's a joke. >> a joke. >> it's a joke. >> it's a joke. >> it's a joke. >> it's joke. it's joke. >> it's a joke. it's a joke. yeah, is joke. yeah, it is a joke. >> it's a high victims. >> it's a high victims. >> yeah. bruce, it's not like you get off serious about. you to get off serious about. get out of character. >> let's move on now to >> okay, let's move on now to this oh. no. we this next. uh oh. no. we finished with the question. now

we're we've had we're done with them. we've had enough. okay, but next on free speech nation, we're going to be heanng speech nation, we're going to be hearing borg. who was for carl borg. neil, who was sacked lloyds bank for sacked by lloyds bank for a comment he made during an anti—racism training workshop. he's now been awarded thousands of in compensation thanks of pounds in compensation thanks to the free speech union and toby young is going to be with us very shortly to discuss that. see you in a moment.

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going to improve those? >> on mark dolan tonight in my big opinion, britain is in the grip of a bad parenting epidemic . if we don't adopt traditional family values, we have no future . it might take at ten nigel farage is a friend and colleague, but he risks his great legacy by handing the keys of number 10 to keir starmer , of number 10 to keir starmer, plus commentator plus political commentator renunciata rees—mogg on labour's eco agenda and former government minister ann widdecombe on wokery in the nhs. minister ann widdecombe on wokery in the nhs . we're live wokery in the nhs. we're live from nine. let me know . from nine. let me know. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. so back in the summer of 2021, lloyds bank manager carl borg, neil, who had worked for the company for 27 years, lost his job after using a racial epithet dunng job after using a racial epithet during a race education training workshop. now this was despite the fact it was established at the fact it was established at the start of the session that participants could speak freely and perhaps clumsily on occasion

, and that carl was apparently using the word to ask a legitimate question. he's now been vindicated by an been totally vindicated by an employment and awarded employment tribunal and awarded damages, which could end up exceeding over £800,000, and carl hugely assisted by the carl was hugely assisted by the free speech union, whose director , toby young, joins me director, toby young, joins me now. welcome to the show, toby. thank you so another victory for the free speech union. you're racking up quite a few of these. do you want to tell us specifically about what happened in case? yes in carl's case? yes >> so as you said in your intro, he'd for lloyds bank. he he'd worked for lloyds bank. he was manager. he'd was a senior manager. he'd worked years. it worked there for 27 years. it was his first diversity training session. it was online because it was during the pandemic. the trainer , as you said, came out trainer, as you said, came out with various reassuring, soothing beforehand. soothing statements beforehand. don't be afraid to be clumsy. this opportunity say this is your opportunity to say how really feel. such how you really feel. no such thing question , which, thing as a bad question, which, by a red flags. if by the way, a red flags. if you're yeah, you're ever. yeah, yeah. >> so yeah. >> so yeah. >> look out. if they say that um, course of the um, and in the course of the session they were talking about what language appropriate and what language is appropriate and inappropriate to use in the

workplace when should workplace and when you should reprimand workplace and when you should reprim a|d workplace and when you should reprim a line workplace and when you should reprima line manager. and he you're a line manager. and he said, well, isn't it context dependent? so if someone of one ethnicity used . a word, it might ethnicity used. a word, it might be appropriate for them. but if someone of another ethnicity, ethnicity uses the same word, then it be inappropriate . then it might be inappropriate. sure. said, what then it might be inappropriate. sujyou said, what then it might be inappropriate. sujyou and said, what then it might be inappropriate. sujyou and sosaid, what then it might be inappropriate. sujyou and so he,, what then it might be inappropriate. sujyou and so he, ashat then it might be inappropriate. sujyou and so he, as an do you mean? and so he, as an example , the word . when example, said the n word. when members of the black community are talking to each other. so two black colleagues in the workplace use the word workplace might use the n word in conversation, should he reprimand for that? reprimand them for doing that? i mean, it's a perfectly legitimate question, and i think he asked all innocence. he asked it in all innocence. he wanted answer and wanted to know the answer and she was incredibly offended because say because he didn't say the n word. actually used the word. he actually used the n word. he actually used the n word he asked the question . word when he asked the question. >> but but there had been a statement at the start of the workshop speak workshop saying, just speak freely be freely and don't be afraid to be clumsy. difficult issues. >> and he was reassured by that because suffers dyslexia because he suffers from dyslexia and that can prompt him sometimes to blurt things out without them properly without processing them properly beforehand. anyway , um, beforehand. um, anyway, um, instead of answering the question, she reprimanded him,

told could longer told him he could no longer contribute, had to be quiet afterwards as she was so claim to be so traumatised by having heard the n word that she took five days off work. um, and her employers report the incident to lloyds bank. they placed carl under investigation and six months later fired him for gross misconduct. >> but she's a race awareness trainer, isn't she? she. she should be familiar with these issues and and terms. issues and words and terms. >> she said at the >> well, she said at the beginning the session, race beginning of the session, race is a difficult to talk is a difficult issue to talk about. is a difficult issue to talk about . but can speak freely. about. but you can speak freely. this is safe space. don't feel this is a safe space. don't feel embarrassed about being clumsy, saying the wrong thing . don't saying the wrong thing. don't worry about saying the wrong thing. used those very words thing. she used those very words and the and also clearly from the context you describe, this context you describe, that this wasn't racist intent . wasn't based on racist intent. >> and surely racism can't exist unless intention is part of. >> you really should >> i mean, you really should distinguish someone distinguish between someone actually, a white actually, you know, a white person using the n word as a racial epithet in an argument with a black person. of course, that's unacceptable . but if that's unacceptable. but if you're quoting an imaginary

person in a hypothetical situation, that's completely different. but lloyds refused to take the context into account. they had a zero tolerance of the n word policy, so they decided to make an example. so why has that happened? >> because we had an example of that happened? >.university we had an example of that happened? >.university professor n example of a university professor in america word while america who used the word while quoting black writer who had quoting a black writer who had used word text and used the word in the text and was still reprimanded and punished for that. i mean, it seems there no effort on seems like there is no effort on people's part to consider context and intent. >> mean, it is it is absurd. >> i mean, it is it is absurd. and the employment tribunal , and the employment tribunal, when they published their decision , asian said in future decision, asian said in future companies like lloyds need to take context into account when someone is accused of breaching a workplace speech code and the employment tribunal didn't just find that he'd been unfairly dismissed, they also found that he'd been discriminated against on basis of his disability on the basis of his disability dyslexia, which is why the award was but the free was so large. but the free speech was he was speech union was he was initially representing himself and doing pretty well for a litigant in person, but eventually he reached out to us. he was a member of the free

speech union. we found top speech union. we found him top legal emma speech union. we found him top legal from emma speech union. we found him top legal from doyle emma speech union. we found him top legal from doyle clayton , and hamnett from doyle clayton, and we helped him all the way through. we underwrote his legal expenses. we said, look, we'll pay expenses. we said, look, we'll pay your legal expenses. if you lose, we'll just suck but lose, we'll just suck it up. but if you you us back. he if you win, you pay us back. he has so now has won happily, so now he's going pay back. has won happily, so now he's goiji] pay back. has won happily, so now he's goiji thinkay back. has won happily, so now he's goiji think this back. has won happily, so now he's goiji think this is ack. has won happily, so now he's goiji think this is what people >> i think this is what people need understand the need to understand about the free union is that, you free speech union is that, you know, have been know, people have been absolutely your absolutely dependent on your services securing justice in services for securing justice in these just these situations. can you just tell us why got the tell us why we've got the opportunity of people can opportunity of how people can apply opportunity of how people can apply of costs apply and what sort of costs we're ? yeah, i we're talking about? yeah, i mean, it's given that carl's legal expenses were something close mean, legal expenses were something closemean, he legal expenses were something close mean, he says that the day >> i mean, he says that the day he decided join the free he decided to join the free speech union, which of speech union, which was one of the decisions ever made, the best decisions he ever made, it costs. costs like under it costs. it costs like under £30 a full member. um, £30 to become a full member. um, no. under £50 to become a full member, under £30 to become a discount member. you go to our website, which free speech union org click on join. you'll see the various options, but it's cheap as chips given the service you get if you get into trouble. >> and the thing about this is

it can happen to anyone. i mean, we're seeing that more and more. i we've seen recently i mean, we've seen recently you've the you've been very vocal about the banking people being banking situation, people being debunked, having what debunked, uh, for having what are acceptable, are completely acceptable, commonplace opinions, but they're not within line they're just not within line with the fashionable view of a certain elite group of activists. >> yeah. i mean, one of the words of the year last year, according to the telegraph, was de—banking, a word popularised by nigel farage happened to me, actually, in 22. i was de—banking by paypal. yeah it was they claimed i'd was ludicrous. they claimed i'd breached service breached their terms of service without specifying exactly what i'd done, what i'd said. i complained , kicked up a big complained, kicked up a big stink, broke the story. in fact, on gb and eventually they on gb news. and eventually they did ferret. they did a reverse ferret. they never tell it account? tell you what it is. my account? no, they never they never explained kafka, explained it. it's very kafka, very kafkaesque. it really very kafkaesque. yeah, it really is. de—banking, i think is. but but de—banking, i think whereby, financial whereby, you know, financial services companies withdraw services companies withdraw service don't like service because they don't like your values. it's the tip of the iceberg. we're looking after a woman lost her woman at the moment who lost her access to tickets to newcastle . access to tickets to newcastle. a lifelong fan of newcastle

united has been told she can't come for two seasons because of the perfectly lawful but gender critical views she expressed on twitter. another woman , also twitter. another woman, also gender critical. she was going to receive a life saving operation at a private hospital in london. theresa steel and because she said she didn't want intimate care being provided by by a trans male nurse , they by a trans male nurse, they refuse to operate on her and said, sorry, you're going to have to take your business elsewhere. we don't want it. that's exclusion and is a that's trans exclusion and is a conflict with our values. i mean, extraordinary, she could have lost her life because of that it's we're that decision. it's so we're seeing over the place. seeing this all over the place. it's the introduction of a chinese style social credit system. you have system. if you don't have politically , politically acceptable, fashionable views on these contentious issues, you can not only lose your bank account, you can service from can be refused service from a hospital in a life saving operation . operation. >> absolutely outrageous. i mean, someone wanting intimate >> absolutely outrageous. i meanrom neone wanting intimate >> absolutely outrageous. i meanrom someone�*jting intimate >> absolutely outrageous. i meanrom someone of1g intimate >> absolutely outrageous. i meanrom someone of the jtimate >> absolutely outrageous. i meanrom someone of the samee care from someone of the same sex is completely. >> perfectly reasonable >> it's a perfectly reasonable thing ask. thing to ask. >> well, that's amazing. and in terms of the de—banking issue, what for the banks?

what is in it for the banks? i mean, i do not understand this. surely custom surely they want as much custom as why they sort as possible. why are they sort of various customers as possible. why are they sort of of various customers as possible. why are they sort of of moneyyus customers as possible. why are they sort of of moneyyus cuthe. |ers as possible. why are they sort of i've of moneyyus cuthe. |ers as possible. why are they sort of i've beennoneyyus cuthe.|ers as possible. why are they sort of i've been puzzling cuthe.|ers as possible. why are they sort of i've been puzzling overe.|ers as possible. why are they sort of i've been puzzling over that; >> i've been puzzling over that because this case must because this case has must have cost excess £1 cost lloyds in excess of £1 million. if factor in not million. if you factor in not only what they've had to pay carl bourgeonal, which as you only what they've had to pay carl is)urgeonal, which as you only what they've had to pay carl is)urexcess which as you only what they've had to pay carl is)urexcess wi800,000,j say, is in excess of 800,000, but their own legal but also their own legal expenses, they had kc on this expenses, they had a kc on this from no doubt from the beginning, no doubt charging , from the beginning, no doubt charging, you from the beginning, no doubt charging , you know, more from the beginning, no doubt charging, you know, more than £500 an and so, so why, £500 an hour. and so, so why, why, why why risk this money jeopardise your reputation? and incidentally, the employer client tribunal panel have said you have to circulate our judgement telling you to take context into account, not behave as unreasonable as this. in future. you have to circulate it to your board and you also have to your board and you also have to report yourselves to the financial conduct authority for disability discrimination and for dismissing this guy unfairly. so it's a terrible result for them, and we hope it'll make them. and other companies more cautious about this thing. in future. this kind of thing. in future. but they do think but why do they do it? i think they're zealous . they're they're just so zealous. they're filled with kind of religious filled with a kind of religious fervour. they think we're doing

good. we're advancing the cause of social justice. and that of social justice. and if that affects their bottom line, they think that just how think that just proves how committed, pious i am and committed, how pious i am and how pious a member of this church i am getting it so wrong, aren't they? >> well, i want to ask you, tobi, because the free speech union thriving. i union obviously is thriving. i think really think it's a really, really important . um, what important organisation. um, what do think is going happen do you think is going to happen in we moving in the in 2024? are we moving in the right free right direction in terms of free speech? message getting speech? is the message getting out people waking out there? and are people waking up that we face? up to the problems that we face? >> well, um, worry is >> well, um, my big worry is that if labour win an overall majority and we have a keir starmer led government for the next five years, all the things that you and i have been fighting against for the past 3 or 4 years, the authoritarian tenor of the kind of woke religion, the withdrawal of service by companies like coots from people like nigel and me , from people like nigel and me, um, people not being able to go to football games because of the gender critical things they've said on all those said on twitter. all of those things which think we're

things which i think we're beginning build up head of beginning to build up a head of steam. feel that we're steam. you can feel that we're getting a bit of momentum behind . us we're beginning to push back. companies are beginning to think twice now, but if a labour government know, government is elected, you know, they've said that they've already said that they're it illegal they've already said that th

education freedom of speech bill. >> and one of the consequences of that is they've now appointed arif ahmed as a free speech tsah arif ahmed as a free speech tsar. and if you feel your speech rights have been breached at university, can at a university, you can complain him. and if complain directly to him. and if he he he upholds your complaint, he can significant can impose a pretty significant fine university. so that fine on a university. so that really help. only really should help. it only appues really should help. it only applies england , doesn't applies in england, doesn't apply applies in england, doesn't apply or northern apply in wales or northern ireland, scotland, apply in wales or northern irecourse, scotland, apply in wales or northern irecourse, it's scotland, apply in wales or northern irecourse, it's worse scotland, apply in wales or northern irecourse, it's worse thanland, of course, it's worse than anywhere else the united anywhere else in the united kingdom. that's a shame. but kingdom. so that's a shame. but nonetheless, real nonetheless, that's real progress. one i had is progress. one worry i had is that under a labour government, he be by someone that under a labour government, he more; by someone that under a labour government, he more ideologically someone much more ideologically compliant who wasn't going to really defend free speech. but i think the experience of many pro—palestine minion academics and students , whereby they found and students, whereby they found themselves getting into trouble just for saying something contentious, controversial, not actually unlawful, they found themselves getting into trouble in universities. i think now they're going to think actually, maybe our interest to maybe it's in our interest to uphold academic speech uphold academic free speech and free campus . so free speech on campus. so perhaps arif won't be replaced by more by someone much more ideologically compliant. >> well, hope so, because this >> well, i hope so, because this should be a no brainer whether

on right anywhere on the left, right or anywhere in really, would have thought. >> the argument that >> i mean, the big argument that we to win to persuade we have to win is to persuade people on the left, our new masters in 12 months time that free speech is as important to them as it is to us. there can be a change in that. there was this famous quote from ira glasser , legendary head of the glasser, legendary head of the american civil liberties union. he said, the great the thing about , um, he said, the great the thing about, um, uh, interfering he said, the great the thing about , um, uh, interfering with about, um, uh, interfering with other people's free speech, introducing speech restrictions. it's like releasing poison gas on a battlefield. it can seem like a good idea at the time. a great way to defeat your enemy. and then the wind changes and it blows back in your face. that's what can happen. that's what we have to convince opponents of. >> absolutely. well, toby young, always pleasure you always a pleasure to have you on the show. thank you. thanks andrew. you . andrew. thank you. >> and next up on free speech nafion >> and next up on free speech nation , education expert joanna nation, education expert joanna williams will be here to discuss whether labour's offer to working parents increase working parents to increase nursery makes any sense. nursery places makes any sense. >> see you in a moment.

>> but there's a generation in between who've been corrupted by it and i hope that they can come out of this . out of this. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me. >> andrew doyle. the labour party is planning to bolster their appeal to working parents at general election by at the general election by creating thousands of new nursery places for the under fives . there's no doubt they are fives. there's no doubt they are trying a significant trying to solve a significant problem. childcare is very

expensive and nurseries are being at being forced to close at a worrying rate, in worrying rate, meaning in some depnved worrying rate, meaning in some deprived areas, any form of childcare is hard to find. however while broadly welcoming the labour plan, some education experts think there is a danger of nursery of politicising nursery provision. and they pointed out that parents who would prefer to stay at home with their children also help from state. also need help from the state. joanna has been writing joanna williams has been writing about this important issue for the and she the times this week, and she joins me now. joanna, welcome to the show. uh, surely this is a good thing that the labour party are intending to provide more for people who require nursery care . care. >> i think there is a lot to be welcomed in this proposal. um it's a really big problem . um, it's a really big problem. um, the average cost of a nursery place now for a child under the age of two is £15,000 a year. um, and close to that amount at. and parents are having to find this after tax. you know, that's a substantial part of your income. very, very expensive . income. very, very expensive. and as you point out, this is if you're lucky enough to be able

to to, uh, to be able to to afford to, uh, to be able to find place at all, so you find a place at all, so you know, it. hats the labour know, it. hats off to the labour party. putting party. at least they're putting forward a serious proposal for solving problem . but but as solving this problem. but but as you as you say, i think there are some concerns with it as well. so one part of the of this solution is that they plan to incorporate , um, these nursery incorporate, um, these nursery places into schools and my worry with that is that we begin to confuse education with caring for young children . um, i don't for young children. um, i don't think anybody really wants to see kind of nine month old babies having early learning goals and somebody following them around with a clipboard, kind of checking up if, uh, arranging the blocks in the right order and, um , you know, right order and, um, you know, meeting targets before their first birthday, you know, they need to be well looked after. they need to be cared for. they need to be nurtured. they don't need to be nurtured. they don't need a curriculum. and i think one problem with putting children schools at that children into schools at that age this might be one of age is that this might be one of the outcomes. >> things that you

>> one of the things that you wrote your article for wrote about in your article for the times your that the times is your fear that there political there might be a political element in which this element to the way in which this childcare place. could you childcare takes place. could you maybe that ? maybe elaborate a bit on that? >> yeah, well, we've seen examples already in examples of this already in scotland . in scotland there's scotland. in scotland there's two different governing bodies for nursery provision, and one of them is making quite a big deal about , of them is making quite a big deal about, uh, gender neutral, uh, nursery provision training nursery staff to use gender neutral language . so this means neutral language. so this means not referring to the children as boys and girls , um, but using boys and girls, um, but using gender neutral pronouns like they and them and training the nursery assistants to use this language. and you know, i just kind of think most parents and three children myself, you send your children off to nursery as a little boy or a little girl and you kind of assume that when they come back at the end of the day, they're still going be day, they're still going to be a little boy a little girl, day, they're still going to be a little boy a little girl , and little boy or a little girl, and they're going to come home they're not going to come home saying, i'm, saying, mummy, i think i'm, i'm a now. so when you've a girl now. so when you've sent them boy , um, but the them off as a boy, um, but the other organisation in scotland is big on critical race

is very big on critical race theory and it is implementing anti—racist education within the nursery . now, i'm old enough to nursery. now, i'm old enough to remember a famous benetton advert, which had pictures of babies and that advert said, you know, there's some places in britain where racism doesn't exist . and the whole point that exist. and the whole point that we're trying to make, i mean, bizarrely for benetton bizarrely political for benetton clothing not clothing was that babies are not born we seem to have born racist, but we seem to have moved away from that in scotland, and now we seem to have this assumption that even babies have racism in them, that they need to be educated out of . they need to be educated out of. >> there is something quite religious about some of the dogma of critical race theory, almost like a kind of original sin idea when it comes to talking about young children. but will be but i think people will be surprised because but i think people will be surpripeople because but i think people will be surpripeople if because but i think people will be surpripeople if they'vee but i think people will be surpripeople if they've been most people know if they've been around children, around very young children, they're they they're just not racist. they don't. don't have don't. they just don't have that. don't understand that. they don't understand the concept. on earth concept. um, so why on earth would, would, would teachers , would, would, would teachers, care givers of all people start imposing these ideas? where does that come from?

>> well , i that come from? >> well, i think it comes from this idea that being not racist is not good enough anymore. you know, not racist to me is, know, being not racist to me is, uh, makes you a decent human being. um but but what these woke activists think is that being not racist is not good enough. you have to be actively anti—racist. so we can take your average baby. who's not racist. and we need to actually imbue them with anti—racism . um, and them with anti—racism. um, and ironically , in order to do that, ironically, in order to do that, you've actually got to make these young children start seeing race everywhere . so seeing race everywhere. so they're not playing alongside other toddlers in the nursery, but they're actually seeing their fellow toddlers as having a skin colour, which carries a significant since. i think it's a really vile ideology and it really racially misses a part of life , which should not be in any life, which should not be in any way racialized or politicised at all. >> some people won't believe this, but of course, ibram x kendi, who's a, uh, someone whose work has drawn on critical race theory even though he's not

a critical race theorist himself . he published a very well—known book called anti—racist baby , book called anti—racist baby, aimed at very, small aimed at very, very small children to precisely indoctrinate the kids with with this idea . so why is it i mean, this idea. so why is it i mean, this idea. so why is it i mean, this is something that is a problem. and you've written about times throughout about many times throughout the educational not just educational sector,, not just very young children, but at all levels. it ? levels. isn't it? >> absolutely. and this is the point i was trying to make about you know, really a misunderstanding of what the purpose is, whether that's nursery or school. it's almost as if just just caring for babies or just educating children is no longer enough . children is no longer enough. it's not enough just to teach children in a primary school how to read, write, spell, know their times, tables . it's as if, their times, tables. it's as if, unless you've this of unless you've got this kind of political purpose in political sense of purpose in relation to what you're doing, be relation to gender or be that in relation to gender or race, then then teachers feel as if their job or told that their job is worthless , that this job is worthless, that this becomes the main goal. so it's no longer enough, just to kind of change babies nappies , make

of change babies nappies, make sure they're well fed, make sure they're warm and have toys to play they're warm and have toys to play with. um, they have to actually teach them about gender and it's actually teach them about gender anyif it's actually teach them about gender anyif they've it's actually teach them about gender anyif they've got it's actually teach them about gender anyif they've got we've it's actually teach them about gender anyif they've got we've lost it's actually teach them about gender anyif they've got we've lost all. as if they've got we've lost all sense of what should be the proper moral purpose of our institution . institution. >> so might there be a way just to support parents when it comes to support parents when it comes to childcare without the political element? and, you know , should people be resentful towards that ? i know a lot of towards that? i know a lot of people say, well, why should my tax payers be spent on tax payers money be spent on people have people who've decided to have children? what would you say to that criticism ? that criticism? >> well, think it's absolutely >> well, i think it's absolutely vital that we do support parents. and for me that does mean . choice. and i'm really mean. choice. and i'm really a bit cautious now about using that word, because i think it's been used so badly. that word, because i think it's been used so badly . and the word been used so badly. and the word choice itself, it seems, has become really politicised. when people talk about choice, what they want they really mean is i want people to do what think they people to do what i think they should want them to do should do. i want them to do what i think is right. so you hear talk about hear some people talk about choice only mean choice and they only mean funding people funding nurseries. other people talk about choice and they only

mean tax breaks for stay at home mums . and actually, i think mums. and actually, i think choice requires both of those things and it would be expensive lviv. but i mean, we've got a falling birth rate if, i mean, i want to grow old in a world where there are lots of young children around, um, where there are workers, um, earning money, making a productive economy. so i've got well—funded hospitals to look after me and retirement homes in my old age. and i think if we want that kind of society in the future, you know, we do need to have a growing population or at least a stable population. and that does mean supporting families and supporting families and supporting people who want to have children, supporting the next generation. i think that's a really important thing to do. >> joanna williams, thank you very much . and next on free very much. and next on free speech nation, miss gendering at the airport controversy over quality street chocolates and a restaurant offering discounts to thin people. it's almost time

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unfortunate . worker unfortunate airport. worker helping passengers board their flight got more than they bargained for over the festive season. let's have a look at what happened . what happened. >> and what about when adults employ misgenders you intentionally talking? >> while talking, you're talking. >> misgendered me >> you just misgendered me again, multiple times. again, okay, multiple times. gotcha. both of you have wasn't intentional. >> but if you want to take it personal, that's also. well, she did do intentionally. did do it intentionally. >> twice. >> twice. >> you talking >> are you talking to me, too? >> are you talking to me, too? >> she and then you >> you said she and then you said he. >> you're condescending. >> you're being condescending. and to continue . and if you want to continue. i have port authority escort you out the building right this moment. if you want to play that game with okay. would you game with me. okay. would you like three days like to continue three days before don't mind. >> i'm good. i'll just this mind. >> son good. i'll just this mind. >> so i good. i'll just this mind. >> so i think i'll just this mind. >> so i think he. just this mind. >> so i think he handled this mind. >> so i think he handled that on so i think he handled that rather well because often people, this accusation. >> you've misgendered. it's >> oh, you've misgendered. it's a kind of power game it? >> oh, you've misgendered. it's a kthhis: power game it? >> oh, you've misgendered. it's a kthhis guy'sor game it? >> oh, you've misgendered. it's a kthhis guy'sor ga|saying, it? and this guy's just saying, well, escort well, i'm going to escort you out. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> amazing. >> that's amazing. >> that's amazing. >> it is amazing. you can tell he was powerful. just look at the oh, yeah. mean that >> oh, yeah. yeah, i mean that that's a power beard. >> that is a testosterone beard.

>> that is a testosterone beard. >> i've seen i >> if ever i've seen one, i couldn't like. none >> if ever i've seen one, i co us n't like. none >> if ever i've seen one, i co us could. like. none >> if ever i've seen one, i co us ccnot. like. none >> if ever i've seen one, i co us ccnot at like. none >> if ever i've seen one, i co us ccnot at all. like. none >> if ever i've seen one, i co us ccnot at all. but. none >> if ever i've seen one, i co us ccnot at all. but that'sjone >> no, not at all. but that's the thing. like, you know, obviously didn't it obviously he didn't do it deliberately. trying deliberately. he wasn't trying to person to cause offence. so this person causing trouble, causing this trouble, i just think did once completely think i did it once completely by accident. >> warm at the bbc. i >> i'll warm up at the bbc. i won't the program was. >> i'll warm up at the bbc. i w> i'll warm up at the bbc. i w> i'll warm up at the bbc. i w well, i think that's fair enough, especially with mrs. brown's where you have a brown's boys, where you have a man playing anyway, man playing a woman. anyway, she's the nicest people she's one of the nicest people i've met my life, honestly. >> he lovely, interesting. >> or or whatever you want >> or she or whatever you want to . uh, agnes. >> or she or whatever you want to agnes. .uh, agnes. >> or she or whatever you want to agnes. agnesagnes. >> or she or whatever you want to agnes. agnes brown , is that right? >> okay, let's go with that, then. to move then. okay. we're going to move on. this about, uh, on. now, this is about, uh, quality street. this next one, i've a lot of chatter i've seen a lot of chatter about this the that this online. the changes that have made to the brand, have been made to the brand, because have these because they used to have these shiny wrappers. it looked like little didn't it? but little treasure. didn't it? but now gone a bit bland . so now it's gone a bit bland. so let's look what's let's have a look what's happened. >> be reduced to this . i >> i would be reduced to this. i have just opened a tin of quality for probably the

quality street for probably the 60th time in my life, and what i have found inside is this travesty, this is a travesty . i travesty, this is a travesty. i will never call it street purchase. this product ever again . and you can take that and again. and you can take that and put it where you like . put it where you like. >> oh, i mean, the indignation . >> oh, i mean, the indignation. >> oh, i mean, the indignation. >> it was the oh, she does deserve a round of applause . god deserve a round of applause. god love her. >> two things. the slamming of the lids and very salvation army for this time of year. and the word purchasing. oh, beautiful . word purchasing. oh, beautiful. a friend of mine went mental at them on x because she only had one nauseate triangle . she one nauseate triangle. she thought like i like the fruit creams. oh thought like i like the fruit creams. on do you? yeah >> you've always been divergent. >> you've always been divergent. >> yes, exactly . >> yes, exactly. >> yes, exactly. >> and what do you make of that one?! >> and what do you make of that one? i think she's wonderful. >> well, i'm going honest >> well, i'm going to be honest with psychic with you. and i'm no psychic therapist. think therapist. i don't think it's a chocolate no. therapist. i don't think it's a chowhate no. therapist. i don't think it's a chowhat is no. therapist. i don't think it's a chowhat is it? no. >> what is it? >> what is it? >> think there's something >> i think there's something else on there, mate. else going on there, mate. >> look. i'm sorry. >>— >> no, i'm. >> no, i'm. >> i i share her rage. no,

because. >> no, it sounds like the marriage hasn't been consummated for a while. >> i was i was about to say. do you think he's getting busy elsewhere? yeah. with someone that tin of that maybe enjoys a tin of roses. exactly . roses. yeah, exactly. >> well and that was the >> yeah. well and that was the start of the marriage going wrong. >> yeah, i suspect we might be reading too much into what is, after all, just a silly viral video. >> anyway, let's move on now. this is restaurant in thailand this is a restaurant in thailand handing out discs counts based on much customers weigh. so on how much customers weigh. so the thinner you are , the cheaper the thinner you are, the cheaper the thinner you are, the cheaper the food. and let's see how they achieve . achieve this. >> so . she's going through the >> so. she's going through the 10% discount at the moment. >> that's wokester. and then the 20% one is very thin. >> i mean it's these barriers that you have to squeeze through. i mean, it's quite innovative. is it offensive? is it shaming? it fat shaming? >> i think actually it's really stupid because why the stupid because why not give the discount are discount to fat people who are obviously to more? obviously going to eat more? they're obviously going to eat more? they'skinny people. absolutely

from skinny people. absolutely nothing. so brought this on nothing. so they brought this on themselves. go to themselves. i hope they go to the wall. >> okay. the wall. >> well, okay. the wall. >> well, i)kay. the wall. >> well, i mean, not putting any punches there. do you think that's good think it's a that's a good i think it's a really way really disgusting way to discriminate against american tourists. well, there is that there okay well let's let's there is. okay well let's let's move on now to our unfiltered dilemmas . move on now to our unfiltered dilemmas. every week you do send in your personal problems. and i'm very grateful for that. our first dilemma has come from sarah. sarah says i have tickets to watch the jonathan ross show being filmed , but it's on being filmed, but it's on valentine's day and all my friends loved ask friends are loved up. duet. ask a male friend and hope he doesn't the wrong idea, or doesn't get the wrong idea, or rustle up a date on hinge and try to a joke of do you try to make a joke of it. do you know about ? know what this is all about? >> know i don't, but i just >> i know i don't, but i just reading it. this is ridiculous. go with the show. don't go with the show. you know why do you think people, you know that people going to assume people are going to assume you're them? you're coming on to them? relax >> think if >> yeah, but don't you think if you're valentine's you're going out on valentine's day people in day by yourself, people look in judgement of judgement at you and sort of think, not very think, oh, you're not very popular, think, oh, you're not very popllah think, oh, you're not very pop! know, but we're learning a >> i know, but we're learning a lot about you this evening, so i

would just it any would have just seen it as any other night. but more importantly, do you want to importantly, why do you want to go ross show? >> think t- show? >> think i think >> well, i think i think jonathan ross is very talented. >> what do you what do you make of this? >> e“ n e i mean, does >> well, yeah, i mean, does anyone know, like, if anyone care? you know, like, if you with a friend to you just go with a friend to a particular program. no one is going to look at you. we're too all self—involved. no one cares. >> okay, sarah, no one cares about you. is the answer to that question. i'm sorry to say that, but . that's my not but that's. that's my panel, not me. but that's. that's my panel, not me enjoy sending yourself a >> enjoy sending yourself a card. there we go. card. yeah, there we go. >> enjoy that. i've got a quick i we've time for one i think we've got time for one more paul. paul more dilemma from paul. paul says to on plane says i'm due to go on a plane next week, but again, next week, but once again, i find dilemma over find myself in dilemma over whether not i recline my seat whether or not i recline my seat on is selfish to on the flight. is it selfish to be comfortable? must have be comfortable? you must have some thoughts, bruce. >> have to kind >> i'm. i think you have to kind of cabin. read >> i'm. i think you have to kind of and cabin. read >> i'm. i think you have to kind of and it'sabin. read >> i'm. i think you have to kind of and it'sab small read >> i'm. i think you have to kind of and it'sab small person , it. and if it's a small person, really go for it. if it's a more well—nourished person. but, you know, gone far, know, if you've gone too far, someone you. someone will reprimand you. you'll be fine. >> that i've seen >> paul. the rows that i've seen on largely come on planes have largely come about reclining you on planes have largely come aboutto reclining you on planes have largely come aboutto rehonest. you on planes have largely come aboutto rehonest. do you on planes have largely come aboutto rehonest. do you>u on planes have largely come aboutto rehonest. do you have on planes have largely come ab0|thoughts)nest. do you have on planes have largely come ab0|thoughts on st. do you have on planes have largely come ab0|thoughts on this? you have any thoughts on this? >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> you live screw >> you only live once. screw

them go. >> you only live once. screw the francis, go. >> you only live once. screw the francis, as go. >> you only live once. screw the francis, as direct go. >> you only live once. screw the francis, as direct as). >> you only live once. screw the francis, as direct as ever >> francis, as direct as ever with terrible , terrible with his terrible, terrible advice. thank you for advice. but thank you for joining us for free speech nation. this was the week when un women uk chose a man as a woman's champion. a tube strikes were on and then off again, and uk diplomats reminded us that trump derangement syndrome is alive and well. thanks so much to panel. bruce devlin and to my panel. bruce devlin and frances foster, and to all of my guests this evening by the way, if you want to join us live in the and part the the studio and be part of the audience, you can easily do that. go to sro audiences that. just go to sro audiences .com. the website is on the screen right now. come along and join in the fun. stay tuned. we've got the brilliant mark dolan tonight that's coming up next don't forget headliners next and don't forget headliners is on every night at 11:00. that's the late night paper preview show, comedians preview show, where comedians take the next day's take you through the next day's news for news stories. thanks for watching nation. see watching free speech nation. see you next week. that warm feeling inside from

boxt boilers spot of weather on gb news is . gb news is. >> hello, i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office. we'll see plenty of fine weather across much of the uk in the days sunshine at days ahead. some sunshine at times, hazards times, but equally a few hazards to with. all of a fairly to contend with. all of a fairly wintry flavour. air in wintry flavour. with cold air in place uk . high place across the uk. high pressure is dominating, sitting towards the and northeast towards the north and northeast of the moment, fairly of the uk at the moment, fairly tightly isobars down tightly packed isobars down towards indicating tightly packed isobars down towara indicating tightly packed isobars down towara brisk indicating tightly packed isobars down towara brisk breeze1dicating tightly packed isobars down towara brisk breeze .iicating tightly packed isobars down towara brisk breeze . and ng tightly packed isobars down towara brisk breeze . and that's quite a brisk breeze. and that's feeding some showers in across the north of england, southern parts of scotland. this evening, working way west into the working their way west into the irish towards the east of irish sea towards the east of northern ireland. as we head into early hours of monday. into the early hours of monday. some developing some showers also developing down towards the southeast by the monday, the morning on monday, could give stretches give some icy stretches as we head early hours of head into the early hours of monday itself towards the north and a picture , frost and west. a cold picture, frost and west. a cold picture, frost and fog forming and then and some fog forming and then through on monday, through the day on monday, ice likely towards likely to be a problem towards the for time as the southeast for a time as wintry showers move in from the east, working way east, working their way westwards to

westwards but turning more to rain as they move across southern england southern counties of england through on through the rest of the day on monday. towards monday. whereas towards the north and west, apart from the odd shower across northern ireland, be of ireland, there'll be plenty of fine of fine weather in store, lots of sunshine, chilly sunshine, but still quite chilly temperatures better than the temperatures no better than the low figures in low to mid single figures in most tuesday promises most places as tuesday promises to be a much better day. more in the way of sunshine developing after a frosty, locally foggy start. lot dry weather start. a lot of dry weather around of sunshine, but around two lots of sunshine, but again, really around two lots of sunshine, but agai struggle really around two lots of sunshine, but agai struggle again really around two lots of sunshine, but agai struggle again . really around two lots of sunshine, but agai struggle again . no really around two lots of sunshine, but agai struggle again . no betterly will struggle again. no better than mid than the low to mid single figures most places. highs of figures in most places. highs of around celsius. around about five celsius. that's . as for that's 41 in fahrenheit. as for the rest of the week, we'll gradually see an increase in cloud the north, so cloud from the north, so sunshine becoming more and more confined southern areas . confined to southern areas. >> things are heating >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .