8th >> it's 930 on monday, the 8th of january. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with me, andrew pierce and ellie costello i >> -- >> post office payouts ministers have joined calls for the former post office boss, paula vennells, to be stripped of her cbe. i vennells, to be stripped of her cbe. 1 million people have now signed the petition in. is it now just a matter of time, the time to resign? >> pressure growing on lib dem leader sir ed davey to quit over his role in the post office scandal. the same sir ed davey has called for public figures to quit 31 times since he took over the lib dems in april 2019. >> jeremy corbyn is set to launch a new political movement to rivals keir starmers labour party. i remember the gladiators well. >> they're back . the hit 90 show >> they're back. the hit 90 show is back on our screens next weekend and we're going to be speaking to the wolf man himself later this morning to preview the upcoming series. doesn't look like that now. >> no .

>> and no. >> and no. >> i'm also talking about derek draper, who died at the weekend , draper, who died at the weekend, husband of kate garraway. >> your colleague from good morning britain known her for years and years. the longest that he had the most severe symptoms of covid and the longest surviving. so heartbreak for her family. >> yeah. and she has released a statement this morning thanking people for their best wishes. we'll be reflecting that this morning before we get into any of let's get the news of that, let's get the news headunes of that, let's get the news headlines with sophia . headlines with sophia. >> thank you ellie. good morning. it's 931. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . more wenzler in the gb newsroom. more than a million people have signed a petition demanding a former post office boss be stripped of her cbe . paula stripped of her cbe. paula vennells was in charge and routinely denied there were problems with the horizon it system , which made it look like system, which made it look like money was missing from shops. hundreds of staff were convicted, jailed, bankrupted

and some took their lives after they were wrongly accused of theft . the government is now theft. the government is now looking into ways to exonerate those caught up in the scandal. one of the victims, christopher head, he doesn't believe head, says he doesn't believe the fault lies with just one person. >> f- e that paula >> the reason that paula vennells is being singled out is because she was made because she was she was made aware occasions of aware on countless occasions of the problems and obviously she was position at was in the position at that particular time to do something about it and failed to do so. so i that is why that's been i think that is why that's been the know, you the case. but, you know, you roll over the years roll back over the years that, you know, obviously you know, there is obviously people fujitsu, there is people in fujitsu, there is people in fujitsu, there is people government or people in government or ministers or even, you know, civil servants that maybe tried to damage limitation, to have damage limitation, let's say, and make say, in order to try and make this a hope that it would go away. so there's countless number you had number of people. so you had previous at office previous ceos at post office have crozier. there's, have adam crozier. there's, you know just there's the know, there's just there's the list so we the list is endless. so we need the inquiry finish. so we get to inquiry to finish. so we get to the bottom of that. and obviously for the met police to do their investigation, mps will debate the offshore petroleum bill as parliament returns bill later as parliament returns for the first time this year. >> if passes the legislation

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britain presenter announced that her husband had died after suffering long lasting symptoms from covid 19. and andrew, you are a colleague of kate garraway, aren't you? i mean, how is this news? well, i was there on good morning britain this morning and of course there were the tributes are pouring in but i knew derek draper when he worked for labour party, he worked for the labour party, he worked for the labour party, he worked mandelson. worked for peter mandelson. >> he a creator of new >> he was a creator of new laboun >> he was a creator of new labour. bluntly, derek draper could be difficult and i have many run ins with him as he was an adviser, some were good humoured and natured, some humoured and good natured, some weren't. what goes weren't. but that's what goes in politics. he was formidably politics. but he was formidably clever talented. he left clever and talented. he left there under a cloud. there was some scandal i can barely remember what it was about. access to cash for access or something. but kate garraway tamed him. really and fatherhood tamed him. really and fatherhood tamed him. really and fatherhood tamed him. and he trained , tamed him. and he trained, retrained apsychologist tamed him. and he trained, retrained a psychologist and, retrained as a psychologist and, um , an incredibly difficult um, an incredibly difficult three years for her and her family. and i just hope i'm so struck by the statement she made

this morning that she and her kids can find some peace now. hmm >> how has it been watching her over the past three years? because you've worked so closely with are so with her, and people are so struck her strength. struck by her strength. >> incredible. she's >> she's incredible. she's getting what, or 4 in getting up at what, 3 or 4 in the morning as people do when they breakfast show. and they do the breakfast show. and you wouldn't know what she's then going home to care for then going home to 24/7 care for derek doubly incontinent. derek was doubly incontinent. she'd documents she she'd done documents. she was also with cost of also struggling with the cost of it all. um, uh, difficult for the children. the house had been completely physically modified to, to accommodate him because he was downstairs, because he'd beenin he was downstairs, because he'd been in an induced coma for months and months and months. and it must have had a toll on his body. well absolutely. >> must have done. and it's >> it must have done. and it's so powerful, it? how it is so powerful, isn't it? how it is absolutely nation , absolutely captured the nation, this story, their marriage, i mean , here she is. yeah. um mean, here she is. yeah. um she's getting her mba. >> mba and why she only got a miserable mba. something a bit stronger. >> well, maybe she will now. >> well, maybe she will now. >> yeah, but also, if you remember, this is her coming out of the jungle in australia in

itv's i'm a celebrity. she did brilliantly. didn't but brilliantly. she didn't win, but she did brilliantly. and she was to own saturday daytime to get her own saturday daytime saturday covid saturday show on itv. covid struck was one of the struck and he was one of the earliest victims and i can remember as he in the remember as he was in the ambulance leaving the house saying i wonder if it's the last time i see my children. well, he probably never quite in probably never saw them quite in the light, quite same the same light, quite the same again. the children were so >> and the children were so young, they, when young, weren't they, when, when he i don't know he first got ill. i don't know how old they are now, but i think for kate garraway she's always been nation's always been the nation's sweetheart. been sweetheart. she's always been adored by so but i think adored by so many, but i think people seen devotion people have seen her devotion to her as you say, how her husband and as you say, how hard worked throughout the hard she's worked throughout the whole there's whole thing. i think there's a new respect for there new found respect for her. there is every is on every level. >> sarah, you've written about her column, haven't you? her in your column, haven't you? many times. >> in the mail. >> i mean, in the mail. >> i mean, in the mail. >> new derek a little bit, a little, tiny bit. i went out a few occasions in, uh, on, uh, for with him. yeah he for dinner with him. yeah he was, you know, he was he was really good fun person. i mean, very very sharp very sharp, very sharp as a boxer. very sharp, very sharp as a boxyeah. heard he's a huge >> yeah. i've heard he's a huge personality. really took over. um, really kind of quite feisty,

quite um, really kind of quite feisty, qui'and, uh, such a shame. >> and, uh, it's such a shame. and i think, mean, i honestly and i think, i mean, i honestly take hat off to her. i have take my hat off to her. i have no how she survived the no idea how she survived the last three years. i mean, and also, saddled with a also, she was saddled with a huge, debt of £700,000 huge, huge hmrc debt of £700,000 when he had to when she had to close derek's business. yeah. and i do hope hmrc are being kind to her because they can be quite unkind . yeah, um, because quite unkind. yeah, um, because she's so much to deal with she's had so much to deal with and having to , um, you know, and having to, um, you know, take on that massive financial responsibility of course responsibility because of course , he probably never , you know, he probably never expected to to him. expected this to happen to him. >> no. >> no. >> absolutely. and i think i just that kate garraway has just hope that kate garraway has the support, only the support, not only financially but emotionally that she because you say, she needs because as you say, sarah, she's been so strong, but probably she's had probably also because she's had to be. and now finally , perhaps to be. and now finally, perhaps she'll the time to actually she'll have the time to actually reflect that's reflect on everything that's happened year, happened in the past year, because what really needs to happened in the past year, be

about and the about everything else, and the children know, children and stuff. you know, you to that stage, can't you can get to that stage, can't you, where it's just almost impossible so she impossible to switch off. so she just needs to find some. >> she looks amazing too. >> and she looks amazing too. oh, always looks and oh, she does always looks and she's beautiful well. oh, she does always looks and shewell,iutiful well. oh, she does always looks and shewell, sarah, well. oh, she does always looks and shewell, sarah, we'll l. oh, she does always looks and shewell, sarah, we'll come back >> well, sarah, we'll come back to just a minute. and we to you in just a minute. and we are kate garraway and your family now, the justice secretary, chalk, is secretary, alex chalk, is meeting with ministers to consider ways to help the consider ways to help clear the names subpostmasters. >> were pursued subpostmasters. >> pitted were pursued subpostmasters. >> pitted by were pursued subpostmasters. >> pitted by the were pursued subpostmasters. >> pitted by the postre pursued subpostmasters. >> pitted by the post office iued and pitted by the post office and pitted by the post office and what's been described as the biggest miscarriage of justice in british history. >> well, than 1 million >> well, more than 1 million people have now signed an online petition calling for paula. paula vennells, who led the post office when subpostmasters were unfairly prosecuted , to now unfairly prosecuted, to now be stripped of the honour. >> victims of the post office scandal and mps have also said sir ed davey, the lib dem leader, serious questions to leader, had serious questions to answer post office answer as he was post office minister in 2010 and 2012. and they're saying he step they're saying he should step down. bear mind, david, down. bear in mind, david, sanctimonious sir ed davey has called for public figures to step than 31 step down. no fewer than 31 times since he took over leader

of the lib dems in april. >> thank you. well, joining us now is conservative lord and former mp lord arbuthnot. very good to see you this morning. so i mean where do we begin with this story? rishi sunak. i mean where do we begin with this story? rishi sunak . and of this story? rishi sunak. and of course now the justice secretary, under huge pressure , secretary, under huge pressure, uh, to bring justice really to all of those who were so wrongly convicted in this scandal. >> yes . um, convicted in this scandal. >> yes. um, the real concern that i have at the moment is that i have at the moment is that of the 730 or more, it could be up to 900, maybe a thousand, uh, people who have convictions. it's astonishing , convictions. it's astonishing, actually, that we don't know for sure how many. there were . only sure how many. there were. only 93 have had those convictions overturned. and this is a mass problem . and the only way problem. and the only way i think we're going to be able to over overcome it is to have a mass solution . the process that

mass solution. the process that we're going through at the moment of each person meticulous, meticulous , having meticulous, meticulous, having to prove that their conviction was unsafe , that is not working . was unsafe, that is not working. and so we've got to have a mass solution to this. and i'm delighted that alex chalk and kevin hollinrake, uh, are meeting to discuss that. and i hope that they can come up with an answer very quickly. >> george arbuthnot , you've been >> george arbuthnot, you've been banging on about this tirelessly for some years. it's ironic, isn't it, that it's taken this extraordinary itv drama, mr bates, versus the post office, for it to actually capture the pubuc for it to actually capture the public imagination. why do you think it's been so slow to do that ? think it's been so slow to do that? bearing in mind my own newspaper, the daily mail, has been campaigning on this for years as well . years as well. >> yes, the daily mail has done a very good job. computer weekly broke the story . uh, private eye broke the story. uh, private eye was fantastic , and the times has was fantastic, and the times has been doing something and gradually people have been

latching on to the story. but i'm delighted that at last it's hit the public imagination. and i don't care how. frankly, i'm not frustrated that it's a drama that has done this . i was that has done this. i was frustrated that nothing was doing it for the years . i mean, doing it for the years. i mean, i've been on this since 2009, and it was very difficult to get it into the media or to get politicians to take the interest that they should have taken. what about us? >> what about fujitsu? because we will ask you about paula vennells and the post office. but fujitsu , who supplied this but fujitsu, who supplied this dodgy horizon it system , um, dodgy horizon it system, um, £150 million compensation has been paid out already. i don't think a single penny has come out of fujitsu's coffers , and we out of fujitsu's coffers, and we know that they're getting more contracts, including from the post office. >> yes, they're getting those contracts from the post office because as somebody while all

the horizon system is still, uh, being used by the post office, and i hope that won't be long, somebody has to maintain that program. >> and only fujitsu knows the ins and outs of that program . so ins and outs of that program. so in a sense, the post office has no choice but to use them for that. whether fujitsu should be, uh, used for any other government contracts, i rather doubt, but, uh, they have kept an extraordinarily low profile over the years. my view is they have got to bear a large part of the cost of compensating these subpostmasters and putting things right, because fujitsu were the ones who were who were getting into subpostmasters accounts without their knowledge altering those accounts, causing the problems, not not keeping records of what they were doing and denying that they could do it. and so they bear a large

proportion of the blame for this, and they must bear a large proportion of the retribution as well. >> and what do you think should happen with paula vennells now there are calls online, a petition garnered more than a million signatures. now for her to be stripped of her cbe , to be stripped of her cbe, should she be stripped of it, or should she be stripped of it, or should she be stripped of it, or should she hand it back herself with an apology? i was talking to a subpostmistress yesterday. i was asking her exactly the same question. she wanted her to be of it, and she also be stripped of it, and she also said she wanted her pension to be as compensation towards be used as compensation towards subpostmasters and subpostmistresses. millions and millions of pounds. paula vennells has received an a pension . pension. >> i'm um, i'm a little uneasy about going afterjust paula vennells. she she bears her share of the blame and she must bear her share of the retribution. uh, but there were so many people who behaved so really badly that i worry that if we go after paula vennells as

the front person to be to be. we got at, uh, we may think that justice has been achieved once we've , uh, once she has been we've, uh, once she has been punished as she needs to be. uh, there are lots of people who bear the blame , and i am not bear the blame, and i am not concentrating myself on paula vennells . vennells. >> what about the people ? the >> what about the people? the compensation order. arbuthnot why is it taking so long? um, too few have been paid . rishi too few have been paid. rishi sunak says they're going to try and speed it up. this has been dragging for. on well, you've been involved since 2009. why so long? bearing in mind some people took their own lives and some people have died of natural causes since this scandal first started unfolding . started unfolding. >> yes, we need we need to cut through it . >> yes, we need we need to cut through it. uh, >> yes, we need we need to cut through it . uh, alexander , cut through it. uh, alexander, cut through it. uh, alexander, cut through a gordian knot. >> that's what we need to do here. uh, the largest miscarriage of justice that has , miscarriage of justice that has, uh, come before the ccrc. the

criminal complaints review commission, before . before this commission, before. before this one was ten cases. we're now looking at potentially 700, 900. it's out of all proportion to what we've seen before. so we've got to have legislation, i think, to make it simple, quick and easy. the subpostmasters shouldn't be applying to have their convictions overturned. it ought to happen. automatic actually. um, and then there needs to be a very simple process of , of uh, of assessing process of, of uh, of assessing the compensation rather than demanding that the subpostmaster come up with paper after paper that may have been destroyed . that may have been destroyed. after all, a lot of the evidence in this matter has been destroyed. some by the post office, some by the subpostmasters themselves. and so we've got to have a much simpler process, much quicker laura beddow , thank you very laura beddow, thank you very much for your time this morning. >> we really do appreciate it. sarah vine is still with us in

the studio. what do you make of this, sarah? >> well, i think that lord arbuthnot makes a very good point that fujitsu really do need to be persecuted. now for this prosecuted, not persecuted, but because i don't mind a bit of persecution as well. actually because, you know, the british taxpayer to compensate taxpayer will have to compensate people million already. and people 150 million already. and rishi saying 600,000 rishi sunak is saying 600,000 per who is , you know, per person who is, you know, found to not be guilty. they were all be found not to be guilty was a massive guilty because it was a massive it error . and i mean, as you it error. and i mean, as you said, the daily mail has been on this time. i think we this for a long time. i think we first this 2013. so first reported this in 2013. so i've been reading about it for a long time, and i think there is some evidence that fujitsu sort of thing didn't work of knew this thing didn't work before actually went before it actually went into use, that there some use, that there were some problems with it. there were some it. so i think some flaws in it. so i think i think really i mean, i think think we really i mean, i think the government do need to come after think davey after them. i think ed davey who, um, mean, it calls for who, um, i mean, it calls for this woman her cbe. i this woman to lose her cbe. i think that's i think that's the least she should do. she should give her cbe. if i were give back her cbe. if i were her, would say, i'm so sorry.

her, i would say, i'm so sorry. i really didn't realise the depth giving depth of this. and i'm giving back my cv. not sure it's back my cv. i'm not sure it's worth going after her pension. you know. will that solve any problems? um, and, you know. will that solve any probyou s? um, and, you know. will that solve any probyou know, um, and, you know. will that solve any probyou know, she um, and, you know. will that solve any probyou know, she it um, and, you know. will that solve any probyou know, she it maylm, and, you know. will that solve any probyou know, she it may be and, you know. will that solve any probyou know, she it may be that and you know, she it may be that she, arbuthnot said, she she, as arbuthnot said, she probably didn't quite know she was. she was being was. i'm sure she was being advised. and i'm sure she took the she was given. and the advice she was given. and she probably took it good she probably took it in good faith, thinking that that that was and the same is was right. and the same is probably true of sir ed davey. he was advised that probably true of sir ed davey. he was was advised that probably true of sir ed davey. he was a was advised that probably true of sir ed davey. he was a matteridvised that probably true of sir ed davey. he was a matter forsed that probably true of sir ed davey. he was a matter for the that probably true of sir ed davey. he was a matter for the post this was a matter for the post office. wasn't anything office. there wasn't anything that do about but that he could do about it, but the fact that i think he he the fact is that i think he he has not said anything, and i think he does need to come out and say that and say, look, i'm really was advised that really sorry. i was advised that this matter for my this was not a matter for my office, i realise now that office, but i realise now that was i am deeply sorry. was wrong and i am deeply sorry. >> but minister's job is also often isn't it, sarah, to push back against servants back against civil servants who say or yes minister, say no minister or yes minister, to back? shouldn't it have to push back? shouldn't it have occurred in his skull in some a light been going and light had been going on and thinking these posts, thinking hang on these posts, 700 of them i know cooked the books, 700 of them ripped,

pred books, 700 of them ripped, ripped off the table . ripped off the table. >> so just out of nowhere, out of the blue, having never done anything like that before and the of having the coincidence of having introduced a computer system at the coincidence of having intrisamej a computer system at the coincidence of having intrisame time)mputer system at the coincidence of having intrisame time should' system at the coincidence of having intrisame time should havezm at the coincidence of having intrisame time should have rung the same time should have rung some i think. yeah some alarm bells, i think. yeah i mean, obviously, you know, and people to jail people going to jail and committing suicide he still committing suicide and he still kept pushing and saying to kept pushing back and saying to mr the mr bates, mr bates, the famous mr bates, as is now, i don't want to as he is now, i don't want to meet you. >> no, no, need to meet you. >> no, no, no need to meet you. and mr and bates actually and mr bates and bates actually saying he was shocked by the gross rudeness of it. i mean, he does need to address because does need to address it because we a general election. >> he could potentially be a coalition partner for a labour government. sorry. we need government. i'm sorry. we need we to some proper we need to have some proper answers about his involvement. i really we really do think we do. >> you think should >> and what do you think should happenin >> and what do you think should happen in terms of ministers meeting you meeting today? what would you like in terms of perhaps like to see in terms of perhaps a mass solution? >> well, i just i just think that think accepting that that i think accepting that it was computer disaster, that was a computer disaster, that the mistakes that the computer system was not fit for purpose should mean that these people don't have to prove their innocence. that's the main

thing. it was a faulty computer system. the errors were all to do with that . i think we should do with that. i think we should just have a blanket sort of amnesty, and they should all be given compensation and allowed to get on with their lives. now you've upset carol vorderman. have you've upset carol vorderman. ha\she's attacked you on twitter >> she's attacked you on twitter , what what have i done? , what have i, what have i done? because you defended shaun bailey, peer , bailey, the conservative peer, did i? yeah. well, isn't that right? got this right? right? have i got this right? >> remember doing that. yeah. >> why? mm- m a go. um, sohrab >> why? she had a go. um, sohrab ahmari. which i'll bring you up to um, carol vorderman, to date. um, carol vorderman, who view, heading for. >> i haven't said anything about shaun bailey. why ? shaun bailey. oh, why? >> vorderman attacked, um , >> carol vorderman attacked, um, we've got the tweet here. >> it's almost i predicted >> it's almost as if i predicted the right wing nonsense from juua the right wing nonsense from julia hartley—brewer and her fellow cauldron stirrer , sarah vine. >> see, witches of fleet street, where this is what she's. >> she's tweeted january the fifth. she goes on to say sarah vine describes herself as a wednesday witch on her on her bio. here are her words. i'll await your apologies . i'm still waiting. >> no, no, no, i'm sorry i haven't said anything about

carol or about, uh shaun bailey. please feel free to look at my twitter feed. yeah >> so she goes on. they are. they aren't serious politicians at all. most of this current tory are charlatans who've tory crowd are charlatans who've been to some dire conservative school to learn the desired divisive communal grunts , as divisive communal grunts, as well as taking directions from portcullis house to dufton street without the aid of google maps. she's just attacking you for you say in your column. really? >> oh, just for being me. yeah. okay, well, that's fine, but i have do know shaun have to say, i do know shaun bailey a little and i don't bailey a little bit and i don't think he's very sexist when he says anything sexist me. says anything sexist to me. >> carol vorderman isn't >> no. so carol vorderman isn't happy bailey because happy with shaun bailey because he wants to be he said that she wants to be serious commentator, serious political commentator, but has her breasts out on, but then has her breasts out on, on instagram. she couldn't she couldn't be both. >> she doesn't have her breasts out does she? out on instagram, does she? no, no i've never her breasts no, i've never seen her breasts on instagram. no, i've never seen her breasts on sotagram. no, i've never seen her breasts on so those|. the comments >> so those are the comments that taking issue with that she's taking issue with with him. >> i i mean, em-n w i mean, i am >> i don't i mean, unless i am going completely or have going completely mad or have early i don't early onset dementia, i don't remember saying anything about

either shaun bailey no. either shaun bailey or no. carol, the context this carol, in the context of this argument, but what do you think about her anyway? argument, but what do you think abowere r anyway? argument, but what do you think abowere r any right to get >> were they right to bbc to get rid of? and also, by the way, i describe myself as a wednesday, which because that which on twitter, because that is street. is an old fleet street. >> it is termed for the column that i write the daily mail. that i write in the daily mail. they were always known the they were always known as the wednesday witches, weren't they? that because. because that was a joke because. because on fleet on wednesday, most of the fleet street papers have a woman. have on wednesday, most of the fleet stwoman?ars have a woman. have on wednesday, most of the fleet stwoman? yeahive a woman. have on wednesday, most of the fleet stwoman? yeah yeah.noman. have on wednesday, most of the fleet stwoman? yeah yeah. andan. have on wednesday, most of the fleet stwoman? yeah yeah. and it. have on wednesday, most of the fleet stwoman? yeah yeah. and it was'e a woman? yeah yeah. and it was always known as wednesday witch. so actually just old so it's actually just an old fleet street terme. and it's a bit of a just for clarity. bit of a joke just for clarity. >> she hasn't got a lot of. she's got a great sense of humour. carol. >> well, maybe she doesn't >> well, maybe she just doesn't know context, but the know the context, but the context that that's what we context is that that's what we used be referred to as used to be referred to as wednesday witches. >> you think of the >> what do you think of the fact? you up with fact? have you caught up with the wellingborough by—election coming up? peter bone is standing. has forced out standing. has been forced out and for flashing and yes. and for flashing apparently his researcher they picked girlfriend the picked his girlfriend as the tory candidate to. >> strange. >> it's very strange. >> it's very strange. >> it's very strange. >> it's not a bit odd. >> it's not a bit odd. >> it's not a bit odd. >> it's a bit weird. yeah. but that's associate yeah. that's associate for you. yeah. they have the person.

>> yeah. i mean the local tory party to has their power. yeah and they've chosen tory party associations eccentric in associations can be eccentric in this respect. >> i find they do appoint quite strange candidates because you'd want start. want a fresh start. >> you would you would think. want a fresh start. >> you thinki you would think. want a fresh start. >> you think so>u would think. want a fresh start. >> you think so that)uld think. want a fresh start. >> you think so that is d think. want a fresh start. >> you think so that is bone1k. want a fresh start. >> you think so that is bone is standing because was standing down because it was a unanimous report by a commons committee which found his behaviour he would behaviour involving he would he'd researcher and he'd bullied this researcher and he'd bullied this researcher and he'd at his researcher he'd flashed at his researcher and other so why would and other things. so why would the tory party then choose his live in girlfriend? i mean, wouldn't they just want say wouldn't they just want to say we move on? we want to move on? >> well, it's probably that he's got the support of the association. they probably think it's so they've it's a witch hunt. so they've decided support. decided to support. >> he should have >> they think he should have been exactly. been forced out. yeah exactly. >> what it is. yeah, >> that'll be what it is. yeah, i imagine i don't know i can't tell. >> well what do you think andrew. >> well i think they're on the twist for choosing her. i think they should gone for something completely it's completely different. it it's a gift for the tour. >> i mean, the problem with >> but i mean, the problem with the conservative has often the conservative party has often been the associations in that they do sort of they do do these sort of slightly things. slightly eccentric things. >> liz truss to >> well, they chose liz truss to be of tory party,

be leader of the tory party, which down very well, which went down very well, didn't it? >> know, it's quite >> so, you know, it's quite a sort uh, a very strange sort of, uh, it's a very strange voter the tory, you know, voter base. the tory, you know, the kind of conservative grassroots party they they're not best advocates . not always their best advocates. >> would have known this >> you would have known this conservative well >> you would have known this conse you ve well >> you would have known this conse you were well >> you would have known this conseyou were married well >> you would have known this conseyou were married to well >> you would have known this conseyou were married to michael when you were married to michael gove. course. gove. of course. >> which one it? >> which one is it? >> which one is it? >> associate. >> you're his associate. >> you're his associate. >> mean surrey heath? >> oh, you mean surrey heath? yes, have they're all yes, you'd have to. they're all lovely, obviously. >> vine, thank you so much. >> thank you. she's so unusually diplomatic. she's very good. >> she's not the most disciplined, which is why we have we go. do you have her on we go. do you remember, wolf? do remember remember, wolf? do you remember gladiator remember, wolf? do you remember gladiyou never watched >> i you know, i never watched gladiators. i was never a fan of it, i think, because i always felt physically inadequate myself. going myself. ah, well, we are going to catching with him very sooi'i. 500“. >> soon. >> he doesn't look like he used to. then who does? to. but then who does? >> who does? >> who does? >> does? that's coming up >> who does? that's coming up shortly on britain's newsroom >> outlook with >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsor of weather on . gb news. >> hello, morning, i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met

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gb news. >> good morning i it's 10 am. on >> good morning! it's 10 am. on monday the 8th of january. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and me. ellie costello . costello. >> the post office payout the justice secretary, alex chalk, is meeting ministers today over the horizon scandal. our reporter . political reporter reporter. political reporter olivia utley. she's got more . olivia utley. she's got more. ministers are discussing ways to overturn wrongful convictions and to speed up the snail's pace. >> compensation process. but no opfion >> compensation process. but no option is that straightforward. you'll find out more with me just after 10:00 today. >> time to resign . pressure is >> time to resign. pressure is growing on the lib dem leader , growing on the lib dem leader, sir ed davey, to resign over his role in the post office scandal . role in the post office scandal. sir ed davey, who himself was

called for public figures to resign 31 times since he was leading the party and the tube strikes in london over pay have been called off at the 11th houn >> but there's still much disruption because of the last minute cancellation and the gladiators are back . gladiators are back. >> the hit 90s show is back on our screens next weekend, and we'll have the wolf man on later this morning to preview the upcoming series. but we're asking , is this revamp upcoming series. but we're asking, is this revamp really a good use of bbc . good use of bbc. money? >> oh, money, of course, because we pay for the flipping bbc through the licence fee. >> also talking of course, about the death of derek draper, married to she's a bit of a married to the. she's a bit of a national treasure. >> she is away from your >> she is she is away from your colleague britain. >> for years. worked >> yep. known for years. worked there for years. she's been overwhelmed literally tens overwhelmed with literally tens of thousands of messages of

support and affection. after derek finally passed away through complications caused by covid. >> yes. so we're going to be reflecting that in the programme. but before we get into any of that, let's get the news headlines with sophia . news headlines with sophia. >> thank you ali. good morning. it's 10:01. i'm >> thank you ali. good morning. it's10:01. i'm sofia >> thank you ali. good morning. it's 10:01. i'm sofia wenzler >> thank you ali. good morning. it's10:01. i'm sofia wenzler in the gb newsroom . more than a the gb newsroom. more than a million people have signed a petition demanding a former post office boss be stripped of her cbe . paula vennells was in cbe. paula vennells was in charge and routinely denied there were problems with the honzon there were problems with the horizon it system, which made it look like money was missing from shops. hundreds of staff were convicted , jailed, bankrupted convicted, jailed, bankrupted and some took their lives after they wrongly accused of they were wrongly accused of theft. the government is now looking at ways to exonerate those who are caught up in the scandal, with the justice secretary and post office minister meeting one minister meeting today. one of the victims christopher head the victims is christopher head says doesn't believe the says he doesn't believe the fault just with one person. fault lies just with one person. the reason that paula vennells

is being singled out is because she was made on she was she was made aware on countless occasions of the problems and obviously was problems, and obviously she was in at that in the position at that particular time to do something about and to do so. about it and failed to do so. >> i think that is why that's >> so i think that is why that's been the case. but, you know, you roll back over the years that, know, there is that, you know, there is obviously in fujitsu. obviously people in fujitsu. there people in government or there is people in government or ministers know, ministers or even, you know, civil that maybe tried ministers or even, you know, civ have that maybe tried ministers or even, you know, civhave damageat maybe tried ministers or even, you know, civhave damageat maybe trlet's to have damage limitation, let's say, order try and make say, in to order try and make this a hope that it will go away. so there's countless number people had number of people so you had previous ceos at post office of adam crozier. there's you know, there's the list is there's just there's the list is endless. so we need the inquiry to so we to the to finish. so we get to the bottom of that and obviously for the met to do their the met police to do their investigation, economic secretary treasury bim secretary to the treasury bim afolami the government is afolami says the government is working as quickly as it can to compensate the victims. >> worth saying that >> it's worth saying that everybody involved with the post office scandal, 100% of office horizon scandal, 100% of them have received interim payments of over £168,000. that isn't enough , but that's an isn't enough, but that's an interim payment. we've brought forward a bill going through

parliament should clear parliament should clear parliament in the next week or so, so that we don't have to wait for the results of the inquiry. so that we can get this compensation paid in full as soon as possible. in addition to that, chancellor , who's that, the lord chancellor, who's head justice system is head of the justice system is meeting with colleagues meeting with other colleagues across to across government later today to see faster we can make see how much faster we can make sure have legal sure they have the legal redress, as the redress, as well as the financial we want to financial redress. we want to get this sorted as soon as we possibly can. >> freezing conditions are set to hit the uk, with some areas still trying to recover from the floods . an amber cold health floods. an amber cold health alert has been issued for parts of england with sleet and snow forecast. the met office has also issued yellow warnings for ice, with the cold snap set to continue throughout the week . continue throughout the week. more than 160 flood warnings remain in place across the country and over 1800 properties have been damaged . after being have been damaged. after being criticised for not meeting with flood victims, the prime minister spoke to the affected residents in oxford yesterday . residents in oxford yesterday. rishi sunak tried to defend his record, saying the government

has invested £5.2 billion in flood defences. labour has accused the government of being asleep at the wheel over flood warnings . asleep at the wheel over flood warnings. sir keir starmer is visiting the flood hit east midlands today. mps will debate the offshore petroleum bill later as parliament returns for the first time this year. if it passes, the legislation will mandate that licences for oil and gas projects in the north sea are awarded annually . it's sea are awarded annually. it's already to the resignation already led to the resignation of tory mp chris skidmore, who says the law would show the uk is rowing ever further back from its climate commitments . the its climate commitments. the doon its climate commitments. the door, which blew off an alaska airlines plane mid—flight , has airlines plane mid—flight, has been recovered. the boeing 737 max nine was forced to make an emergency landing after the drama unfolded in portland on friday. investigators confirmed the key missing component was found in someone's garden . the found in someone's garden. the federal aviation administration says the fleet, including those operated by other carriers , will operated by other carriers, will remain grounded until there deemed safe the us has launched

its first moon mission since the apollo era . the maiden flight of apollo era. the maiden flight of the vulcan rocket lifted off from florida this morning on moon mission, called peregrine, which is expected to land on the 23rd of february. the vulcan rocket is operated by the united launch alliance company and is the number one competitor to elon musk's spacex if it touches down safely, it will be the first american craft to make a soft landing on the lunar surface since the apollo era . surface since the apollo era. this is gb news across the uk on tv in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now it's back to andrew and . ellie back to andrew and. ellie >> welcome back to britain's newsroom. the time is 10:06. thank you so much for your company this morning. lots of you emailing in aren't they this morning? certainly are. >> lot of people very angry >> a lot of people very angry about davey, the lib about ed davey, the lib dem leader , phil says when will he

leader, phil says when will he own his incompetence own up to his incompetence as post minister? failed post office minister? he failed to do with complaints about post office to office managers, which led to widespread injustice. he's not fit public office and the fit for public office and the lib dems should disown him until there's into his there's an inquiry into his incompetence , beverly says. incompetence, beverly says. >> sure if this bev >> not sure if this is bev turner, beverly every turner, but beverly says every victim of this post office scandal should be invited the scandal should be invited to the palace. should be given an palace. they should be given an opportunity, an apology and a pardon. then very big fat pardon. and then a very big fat cheque and a promise that every person who cruelly lied and destroyed many lives are destroyed so many lives are brought to justice and exposed to the for who they truly to the public for who they truly are. there is a lot of public anger about this. rightly so. of course, it's the tv programme mr bates versus the post office, which it very which has brought it very sharply focus. sharply into focus. >> talk now >> well, we're going to talk now to the labour mp, kevin jones, who's been on this campaign for absolutely years and years. but first, we're going to talk to olivia utley, who can give us an update . olivia update. olivia >> hello. yes, and hi . hi, >> hello. yes, and hi. hi, andrew. yeah. so obviously the

problem with this, uh, ongoing story is that there are still a lot of postmasters who have wrongful convictions. there were 700 convictions altogether . 700 convictions altogether. about 100 of those have now been overturned. the rest of those people are still waiting to see those, uh, presumably wrong full convictions to see themselves exonerated. now rishi sunak has said that he is looking at ways to speed up the process to get those people exonerated. and to get them the compensation they deserve. there are basically two opfions deserve. there are basically two options to that. they could consider to do this. one would be to strip the post office of its role in the appeals process . its role in the appeals process. there's sort of almost archaic legislation which says that the post office can, uh, do its own prosecution process. and this is how all of these subpostmasters were put through the courts. now, they are also involved, the post office in the appeals process, and lots of postmaster say that is the reason that the

process has been so slow . so the process has been so slow. so the other option would be simply to exonerate all of the postmasters in one go, which is something that the justice secretary, alex schalk, is looking at very carefully. there are problems with both options. obviously moving the process out of the hands of the post office and into the hands of the prosecution service. would the crown prosecution service would mean a lot of extra resources and would have a knock on impact on other cases , and of course, on other cases, and of course, exonerating almost 700 people in one go would be a pretty unprecedented move. but those are the sorts of radical options that ministers are having to look at now, having let this scandal get so far. >> all right, that's olivia utley in our westminster studio. joining us now is the labour mp for north durham, kevin jones. kevin jones has been on this case for many, many and case for many, many years and has now today highlighted another extra ordinary thread to this scandal that a pilot scheme was rolled out in 95 and 96, a full three years before this

scheme came online, in which staff were prosecuted because of a glitch in the system. kevin jones , it seems. good morning to jones, it seems. good morning to you, 95 and 96. the writing was on the wall even then, and yet the post office persevered with this scheme. fujitsu carried on. uh, what does this say to you ? uh, what does this say to you? >> well, it's what i've come to expect over the years from the post office. it's been lies and cover ups all along. uh, but the key point is we've got to get these convictions overturned because they're quite clearly unsafe. >> but if there was problems with the pilot back in 95 and 96, is there any evidence that they were then able to fix it before it was rolled out properly in 1999? or do you think they just kicked it into the long grass? because at least two post office staff were prosecuted over it ? prosecuted over it? >> no, it was the usual. prosecuted over it? >> no, it was the usual . the >> no, it was the usual. the computer is always right and the unique situation is the post office had was the ability to prosecute people themselves and

also the contract that the post office postmasters had meant that they had to pay any shortfalls back , and that seemed shortfalls back, and that seemed to be then arrogantly used by the post office just to cover up their own mistakes . their own mistakes. >> kevin, you're a long standing campaigner on this issue . does campaigner on this issue. does it frustrate you that it's taken an itv drama to bring this issue to the fore? i mean, we're talking about compensation, moving at a snail's pace. does it frustrate you that it's taken in an itv drama to actually get ministers around the table and the them to move the pressure on them to move quickly this, to act ? quickly on this, to act? >> no, no, i think the documentary, the drama was very good because it put the victims at the centre of it, which i think is the right thing to do. um, my myself and james have both not been at this for many years and, uh, um, you know, it's have we have we had ups and downs over the years. yes, we have, but the real issue that this would not have come to anywhere without alan bates and

the campaigners who took the court case, which then discovered documentation discovered all the documentation which we knew was there, that they were lying. of course , he they were lying. of course, he was dismissed rather haughtily , was dismissed rather haughtily, wasn't he? >> uh, mr bates , alan bates, by >> uh, mr bates, alan bates, by the post office minister at the time, ed davey post office minister between 2010 and 2012. now the lib dem leader who man who we see today has called no less than 31 times for people in pubuc less than 31 times for people in public life. kevin, to stand down or resign or be sacked since 2019, he doesn't seem to practice what he preaches . practice what he preaches. >> well, no, but he's just one of a succession of not so useless post office ministers. we've had, uh, that james, i've deau we've had, uh, that james, i've dealt with over the years . dealt with over the years. credit to him. the one that really changed this was paul scully , who, when he became post scully, who, when he became post office minister, did really make sure he got some answers and got change. but before that, frankly, no, they just believed what the civil servants told them. the worst one i think i ever experienced in westminster hall debate was jo swinson.

>> kevin, what do you make of fujitsu's role in all of this? of course, the company behind the horizon it scandal . they're the horizon it scandal. they're managing to keep a very low profile while all of this. profile while in all of this. not only keeping a low profile, but they're also receiving many pubuc but they're also receiving many public sector contracts . public sector contracts. >> well, they shouldn't . and >> well, they shouldn't. and what they've got to do is explain their position and take responses . guilty. explain their position and take responses. guilty. um, i don't think the government should give them any new contract until they've fully explained their role in this and taken some responsibility . responsibility. >> can you explain also why we've talked about the snail's pace compensation payout? why is it taking so long? kevin and why is it taking. why are only 93 postmasters postmistresses had their convictions overturned when there were over 730 convictions prosecuted . convictions prosecuted. >> and because , uh, the system >> and because, uh, the system relies on those people coming forward. and if you've met many of the victims, which i have over the years , they're over the years, they're completely traumatised by this

process. they're not going to go anywhere near court of law. anywhere near a court of law. uh, it's fact that's come uh, but it's fact that's come out both at the, um , inquiry and out both at the, um, inquiry and also the court case, uh, that these horizon convictions are unsafe . unsafe. >> and paula vennells , uh, who >> and paula vennells, uh, who led the post office, uh, when subpostmasters were wrongfully prosecuted, over a million people have now signed a petition asking for her to be stripped of her cbe. what do you think ? should she lose her cbe think? should she lose her cbe or should she hand it back herself ? herself? >> well, i've been calling this for the last few years, including writing to the fortunes committee, but the irony is she was actually given it in 2019, when all this was known , uh, for services to the known, uh, for services to the post office. so it says something about the way these honours actually handed out something about the way these hothe rs actually handed out something about the way these hothe first actually handed out something about the way these hothe first place. lly handed out something about the way these hothe first place. butianded out something about the way these hothe first place. but if|ded out something about the way these hothe first place. but if she out in the first place. but if she had any decency, i think she would give back herself. would give it a back herself. >> all right. that's kevin jones . good to to you, . always good to talk to you, kevin. the labour mp for kevin. he's the labour mp for nonh kevin. he's the labour mp for north who's been fighting north durham who's been fighting this behalf the

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swinson , who the labour mp there swinson, who the labour mp there mentioned. i mean, they're all lib dems and as you say , andrew lib dems and as you say, andrew ed davey, specialist in calling for people to resign, he's hidden behind a party spokesman over this. we have yet to see him personally apologise, take the blame for being misled as he claims he was. but but he was responsive while he was the minister for postal affairs. and there are if i was in the lib dems, god forbid , um, i would be dems, god forbid, um, i would be very worried at having him as a leader for coming up to in an election year, going to go away, is it? >> no, i don't see how anyone can vote lib dem with ed davey as the leader. what about his defence that he was misled by the post office? perhaps he's got to show us who misled him . got to show us who misled him. because my argument would be. look hang on, minister, you've

told you. you're told facts by either post of your advisers. he should use his own brain and work out. >> of course. >> of course. >> where did 730 postmasters and postmasters suddenly come from who were all breaking the law? all got their hand in the till? it's unheard of that so many would behave that way so quickly and so suddenly , and in same way. >> yeah. i mean, it's it is, of course, it should have rung very big alarm bells. it course, it should have rung very big alarm bells . it clearly course, it should have rung very big alarm bells. it clearly did with the management of the post office. they knew something was wrong. that's the shocking aspect of this scandal . one of aspect of this scandal. one of the many shocking aspects . but the many shocking aspects. but of course, he should have looked into it when he was being written very, very good letters by alan bates. um on many occasions he met alan bates once , occasions he met alan bates once i , occasions he met alan bates once , i believe. um, but but i mean, he it should have rung alarm bells. it didn't he didn't follow it up . he has not follow it up. he has not apologised . he should instead of apologised. he should instead of being calling for other people

to resign from their jobs, what he should be doing is leading the charge to sort this out and get the compensate person to put all the people whose lives were ruined by this. he should be trying to put that right. and are you and he's not he's not doing anything about the fact he took £275,000 when he was on the bat, because he lost his seat for a couple of years. >> and then when he was back on the back as a in parliament from the back as a in parliament from the legal firm, the law firm hired by the post office to fight back against the postmasters compensation grid, he took £275,000. >> i mean , that is disgraceful . >> i mean, that is disgraceful. and that alone. i mean , didn't and that alone. i mean, didn't know they were working for the post office. i can't believe that i find that very hard to believe. it's a lot of money. and he shouldn't have taken that money, particularly knowing what he did then. and and um, i can't see how he can remain as lib dem leader with this going on. i mean, he, he's hiding behind and

party spokesman. he's not coming out and doing what he should do if he really cared about it being a lib dem, you'd think he'd care about the ordinary person a little bit, but he doesn't seem to. >> and what about paula vennells and her role in all of this? leading the post office when these postmasters i mean, i, i think obviously the, the management know we weren't advising it. >> you were advising if you were if i was advising her now, i think she should hand it back and i'm very sorry. and say, i'm very sorry. >> frankly, an >> um, quite frankly, it's an honour. >> um, quite frankly, it's an honour . but >> um, quite frankly, it's an honour. but honours >> um, quite frankly, it's an honour . but honours these days honour. but honours these days have been rather devalued. um, and, and actually the people i'd be really going after is fujitsu. i mean , they've got 200 fujitsu. i mean, they've got 200 government contracts at the moment worth £6.5 billion. and that of taxpayers money. we're still paying this company. that of taxpayers money. we're still paying this company . and still paying this company. and have we heard any apology from them. very of course japanese company is the worst thing you can do in a japanese corporation is lose face. so for them to

admit that it was their fault and they're problem and their system and i believe their computer system is still being used in other places . god forbid. >> what would your advice to fujitsu be then, because they have managed to keep a very low profile through all of this? >> well, i think they're terrified of a massive lawsuit and going to hold out and they're going to hold out until the last minute . until the last minute. personally, i if i was them, i would be looking at a fund for damage limitation and looking at helping to pay the compensate opfion helping to pay the compensate option to the 730 people who deserve it . and after all, why deserve it. and after all, why should it come from the taxpayer? it should come from fujitsu and some of the some of the post postal staff who have been compensated because a lot of that money has been eaten up in legal fees. of course it has. yes. and i mean some of it, the compensation was hard made up compensation was hard be made up for loss of their life, for their loss of their life, their bankruptcy , their their bankruptcy, their humiliation, going to prison. in some cases, people took their

own lives. this is the biggest scandal in british justice. and it deserves the biggest response . and we're not getting that at the moment . the moment. >> so do you think, rishi sunak we heard him speaking over the weekend, do you think he understands the great feeling on this issue, the anger that british people feel? i think he does, because when he's talking about looking into this about we're looking into this and reviewing this. alex and we're reviewing this. alex chalk looking into this chalk would be looking into this on morning. that on monday morning. is that the rhetoric level rhetoric rhetoric, the level of rhetoric that people want to be hearing? >> he looking into it. i mean >> he is looking into it. i mean , as far as i know, he was having a meeting this morning on this . but he's this very subject. but he's a measured man. he's a thoughtful man. and of course , the last man. and of course, the last thing he can do is make promises he can't deliver . yet thing he can do is make promises he can't deliver. yet again, we've got the civil service and the legal system up against the government. it would be wonderful if he could wave a magic wand and say , here you magic wand and say, here you are. everyone gets £1 million and, um, the prosecutions are

all cancelled. it would be wonderful. unfortunately, he can't do it. and in a democracy and with a strong legal system , and with a strong legal system, it's hard to allow any individual that power. although i think the will of parliament would be to do exactly that in 30s the tube strike was called off with 20 20 minutes before it was due to start yesterday. >> where did the mayor of london find the money? down the back of a sofa. well at the weekend. >> i wonder where he found it. suddenly me and suddenly it looks to me and smells me like a publicity smells to me like a publicity stunt by sadiq khan. in an election year and a very unpopular mayor of london trying to sort something out. don't forget , in to sort something out. don't forget, in his to sort something out. don't forget , in his manifesto, he forget, in his manifesto, he promised no two strikes on the tube and during his reign so far we've had 130. >> amazing. wow. >> amazing. wow. >> that which is there was there were 35 in. but when boris was mayor in eight years. >> there you are, 130 ordinary people . people. >> always a joy to see you. >> always a joy to see you. >> thank you very much indeed.

>> thank you very much indeed. >> a pleasure. >> a pleasure. >> now, still to come . what did >> now, still to come. what did the wolf say after eating miss piggy? >> oh , dear. >> oh, dear. >> oh, dear. >> that he was gladiator. >> oh, dear. >> that he was gladiator . who >> that he was gladiator. who wrote this? we know who it is. somebody called callum. >> yes. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. it'll all make sense after this

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news. 1026 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and ellie costello. >> now the iconic 90s game show gladiators is set to return to our screens this saturday after a lengthy layoff at its prime. >> often known as the king of saturday night tv, gladiators pulled in viewing figures of 16 million and had stars like remember them, wolf, rhino, jet and lightning. >> well, mike van wyk, also known as the wolf, joins us now . known as the wolf, joins us now. very good to see you this morning , mike. so what do you morning, mike. so what do you make of this? one of the biggest shows of the 90s. what do you make of this reboot? >> i think it's fantastic . you >> i think it's fantastic. you know, uh, i think it's going to be a lot harder for them this time around because of netflix and prime, and they've got a lot of competition. whereas before we didn't have all that you were you were probably the biggest tv star in britain in the 90s. >> mike, what was it like you recognised everywhere ? recognised everywhere? >> yeah, it's a surprise.

>> yeah, it's a surprise. >> and i couldn't go anywhere. i couldn't even go to a shopping mall. i'd be mobbed. >> and do people still stop you now? i mean, it's such an iconic game show, isn't it, people? absolutely loved it. did you realise at the time how big it was going to be? >> never envisaged going >> no, i never envisaged going to be that big. you just don't realise, you know, the, uh, the power of television. >> why was it so successful ? mike >> i think basically because it was a family show. i mean, grandma could sit down with the children and the their children, and it was just the whole family show . there weren't many family show. there weren't many family shows out at the time, and, uh, it captured the market. >> and you were the wolf, weren't in gladiators, you weren't you? in gladiators, you became the bad guy in the show . became the bad guy in the show. so whose idea was that ? so whose idea was that? >> it was my idea. but. because when they said to me, your name's going to be wolf, they chose the names. we had no say in that . and i thought big bad in that. and i thought big bad wolf. uh , you know, it was wolf. and, uh, you know, it was

fantastic for me because the character was so strong . it kept character was so strong. it kept me on the show for the whole eight years. and what advice would you give and what advice would you give and what advice would you give to the new gladiators? >> starting this weekend ? >> starting this weekend? >> starting this weekend? >> i would say create your own character . don't try and copy character. don't try and copy anybody else . just be yourself anybody else. just be yourself and that will come across to the audience far better if you're yourself rather than trying to copy somebody else . copy somebody else. >> and if you if you had your time all over again, mike, would you do it? would you do it again in i absolutely, 100. >> i really enjoyed doing it. and uh, to be perfectly honest with you all joking aside, i could do it now. i'm 71 could do it right now. i'm 71 years i'm 71 years old. i'm years old. i'm 71 years old. i'm fit. i'm strong . i've never fit. i'm strong. i've never stopped training. uh been walking the park. maybe >> maybe they should have asked you . you. >> i wish they would. i don't think they get the insurance to cover me. cove!“ me. >> cover me. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so have you been asked. have

you been asked to help in any way? because i'm sure you'd be a great mentor for some of these new gladiators. >> ours would be perfectly honest i wanted to honest with you. um, i wanted to take part in some shape form take part in some shape or form in series, or be in the new series, or even be a co—host. but when i can't take to them, they're got no reply. >> oh wow . >> oh wow. >> oh wow. >> i think they basically wanted to get away from everything to do with the original show and just do it their own way, which is understandable. >> now, the only reason, the only reason people are going to tune is because of your show. tune in is because of your show. >> i think they've missed a trick there, mike. they've missed a trick. think it missed a trick. do you think it will still have the same magic this series as your series this new series as your series did? will be did? do you think it will be anywhere near successful ? anywhere near as successful? >> uh, i, i hope it does for the gladiators , because, you know, gladiators, because, you know, it's a big challenge for them. >> but as i said before , they've >> but as i said before, they've got a lot of competition out there and social media wasn't around. wish it was when we did it. and uh, it's a pretty tough

trying to get an audience when there's so many, so much like, as i said, prime and netflix and so many other shows to compete against you . we kind of had against you. we kind of had a monopoly back in the day. all we had was, uh , noel edmonds up had was, uh, noel edmonds up against us. >> oh, mr blobby, who cares about him? mike, great to talk to you again. happy new year. that's mike bhamwiki was wolf. we've piers pottinger we've still got piers pottinger with the great pr with us. who's the great pr strategist advisor. this strategist and advisor. is this really a good use of bbc money to reheat a program which wasn't theirs? it was an itv program. i don't dated format. >> it baffles me. um um, because the bbc are cutting back in news, they're cutting back in drama , they're cutting back in drama, they're cutting back in the arts, they're cutting back in overseas respondents and the world service , i mean, the itv world service, i mean, the itv thing and most of this itv. i hate to think how expensive this show is going to be. and for a publicly funded broadcast master to embark on a just simply rebooting an old idea for very,

very light entertainment . i'm very light entertainment. i'm sad to say i never watched the original series. it never did anything for me as an idea. but i'm i think it's i, i question the wisdom of the bbc doing this while they're cutting back on everything else. and also as a publicly funded broadcaster, they don't need to rely on ratings or viewers as commercial broadcasters do. um, and therefore . so i can't see the therefore. so i can't see the justification for spending, which will be millions on on a programme that is , quite programme that is, quite frankly, old hat shows they've got no ideas of their own. >> um, it does. >> um, it does. >> and i mean very rarely do revamped old ideas work every time people try it out . i mean, time people try it out. i mean, i think of some of my favourite films, like the italian job was remade and it was dreadful . they remade and it was dreadful. they remade and it was dreadful. they remade alfie, it was dreadful.

um when people it also seems to me that they don't seem to have any new ideas. they should be thinking of new ideas rather than re re regurgitating old ideas from another broadcast . ideas from another broadcast. they're costing millions . um, they're costing millions. um, sorry . um, bbc they're costing millions. um, sorry. um, bbc get they're costing millions. um, sorry . um, bbc get the they're costing millions. um, sorry. um, bbc get the big thumbs down from from me on this. >> okay, i agree with you as piers pottinger. >> thank you very much indeed. you will have a view on that at home. is a reboot of the gladiators a waste of the bbc licence fee? do let us know. gb views at gb news. com but do stay with us still to come. the tories secret weapon jeremy corbyn has been tipped to decide in just a few weeks whether to launch a new political movement to rival sir keir starmer's labour party. >> corbyn really is a true conservative hero. he's won the more elections than anyone that a much more after your morning news with sophia .

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and people that i knew had dewbs & co weeknights from six. >> 1039 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and ellie costello . and ellie costello. >> now it's no surprise to many that oppenheimer was a big winner at the golden globes awards last night, taking home five awards including the top prize. >> but some eyebrows were raised by the comedian and host jo koy, one of the worst hosts i've ever seen or heard, by the way, who took a silly swipe at the rules? let's have a listen. >> but you got more. more because clapping like nine really just a great series about a rich white, dysfunctional family all scheming. oh no, that's the crown that's the crown. i'm sorry . that's the crown that's the crown. i'm sorry. how

that's the crown that's the crown. i'm sorry . how great that's the crown that's the crown. i'm sorry. how great was imelda staunton in the crown ? imelda staunton in the crown? was it? >> oh, well, let's speak now to showbiz reporter stephanie taoiseach. >> andrew is an impressed before we get into the awards, because there is lots of good news from last night. let's talk about the controversial host, shall we say jo koy . some calling him the jo koy. some calling him the worst host ever . worst host ever. >> and i agree v ali. i think sometimes , you know, when you sometimes, you know, when you get these hosts with these big award shows, i understand they're under so much pressure to impress a worldwide audience , to impress a worldwide audience, but sometimes they push that controversial to too far in terms of taking swipes at people. and people just found him very distasteful . people. and people just found him very distasteful. he made fun of the royals last night . he fun of the royals last night. he made fun of taylor swift and, you know, the judge. you know, he's been really hung out to dry . and i don't think he will be ever presenting the golden globes again. think , you know, globes again. i think, you know, usually people he's usually most people say he's quite funny. his material is quite funny. his material is quite funny. his material is quite funny. and that's the whole reason why he was picked

in the first place. but last night, i don't know if it was the don't know if it the pressure. i don't know if it was nervousness, you was the nervousness, but you know, this is the first golden globes that they've had tv in globes that they've had on tv in the first two years. and to be honest, just taken all honest, he's just taken all the headlines. the wrong headlines. but for the wrong reasons. just wasn't very funny. >> stephanie. >> stephanie. >> it was just, you know, >> no, it was just, you know, i know our british humour is quite different, but from the time there, americans didn't find it too funny. that says something . too funny. that says something. i think he was just trying too hard . and i just think he's left hard. and i just think he's left a bitter taste golden a bitter taste for the golden globes . you know, all eyes were globes. you know, all eyes were on the golden globes, andrew. they've controversy they've had a lot of controversy over the few years and this over the past few years and this was their year to really make a comeback. unfortunately they comeback. and unfortunately they just wrong host just picked the wrong host for it. should stuck to it. they should have stuck to someone like ricky gervais, who would got the job done. would have got the job done. >> think lot of people >> i think a lot of people wanted to see ricky last wanted to see ricky gervais last night. not the time night. it's not the first time i've that, perhaps not i've heard that, so perhaps not a forjo koy, i've heard that, so perhaps not a for jo koy, but i've heard that, so perhaps not a forjo koy, but it a good night forjo koy, but it was a great night for oppenheimer. >> yes, it was five awards, including best director and best actor cillian murphy .

including best director and best actor cillian murphy. i'm actor for cillian murphy. i'm not surprised, ellie, because dunng not surprised, ellie, because during summer was between during the summer it was between oppenheimer and barbie, the two massive box office bestsellers and box office, and that people really came to watch. so, you know , when it comes to awards know, when it comes to awards seasons , they tend not to give seasons, they tend not to give comedies, you know, barbie was up for eight awards, but it was oppenheimer that people picked, you know, it was a story. our stellar look at the making of the atomic bomb, it made over £1 billion in the cinema. so you know, this is just a sign to come with what we're going to see at the oscars. and at the bafta awards. it was a bit i look a great film , steffi. look a great film, steffi. >> why? i'm the one thing that worries about these films. worries me about these films. they on so blimmin long now. they go on so blimmin long now. it was three hours, for god's sake . didn't three sake. we didn't need three hours. i found it so boring. >> if i'm honest. but you know what? i cannot not christopher nolan. it comes to nolan. when it comes to cinematography and when it comes to directing, he is almost the best at what he does in hollywood. so in that sense, he will the accolades

will receive all the accolades in hollywood this award season. but think , of course, most but i think, of course, most people surprised that people were surprised that barbie didn't pick up more awards. um, but it did pick up the cinema and box office achievement again. it was the highest grossing grosses film of 2023. so who knows, maybe the oscars and the baftas . it might oscars and the baftas. it might be barbie's moment. why >> why don't you think barbie did any better last night? uh andrew thinks it's too woke . andrew thinks it's too woke. >> i think it's a bit of that, andrew. but also, when it comes to award seasons, when it comes to, like, action films , when it to, like, action films, when it comes to like comedy films , for comes to like comedy films, for some reason it doesn't really connect with the members, even though they do well in the cinemas and it gets the bums on seats when it comes to award season, they always tend to go for the more hard hitting stuff. they want to go for. the stuff that in a way, i hate saying this, but it's a bit more credible. there's a bit more story the plots, and so story to the plots, and so i think that's why barbie won't maybe have a good season this

award season. >> okay, stephanie hsi always really good to see you and matching us in blue. thank you very much indeed. >> i didn't like barbie either. >> i didn't like barbie either. >> no, no didn't. so you'll >> no, no you didn't. so you'll be quite pleased. they didn't do very night. i'm the very well last night. i'm the resident grump . resident harrumph grump. >> yeah, this morning. >> yeah, grump this morning. >> yeah, grump this morning. >> still you. thank >> but we still love you. thank you. we're also you. it's all right. we're also joined writer and journalist joined by writer and journalist emma woolf and the former labour adviser on emma woolf and the former labour adv panel on emma woolf and the former labour adv panel this on emma woolf and the former labour adv panel this morning. on emma woolf and the former labour adv panel this morning. very on our panel this morning. very good to see you both. and before we into stories that we dive into the stories that you've us this morning, you've got for us this morning, i share you this i wanted to share with you this picture that's been making headunes picture that's been making headlines today. it's sir keir starmer in goal. safe pair of hands. starmer in goal. safe pair of handis starmer in goal. safe pair of hand�*is he thinking of? what is he thinking of? >> matthew laza. yes, i'm glad i wasn't. >> i mean my when i worked for emily hand, was brought in to emily hand, i was brought in to be my job description was basically make sure he never eats bacon sandwich eats another bacon sandwich anywhere camera. um, anywhere near a camera. um, i think i'd be some advice think i'd be giving some advice to that, you know, uh, to make sure that, you know, uh, back choices. back his outfit choices. somebody be getting their somebody will be getting their heads. this heads. will be rolling this morning, but headlines call morning, but the headlines call yourself a safe pair of hands.

>> a six year old bloke >> he's a six year old bloke trying show he's still young, trying to show he's still young, a bit harsh. >> andrew. he's genuinely. i mean, know, mean, what i mean, you know, i mean, what i find distasteful, like mean, you know, i mean, what i find distasteful , like politics find distasteful, like politics now, where politician now, is where every politician has pretend to be a football has to pretend to be a football fan, yeah. fan, even if they're not. yeah. and, blair was an past and, uh, tony blair was an past master. but remember, master. exactly. but remember, tony got trouble for tony blair got into trouble for an and he got the an anecdote, and he got the player who was in the wrong decade or something, he decade or something, and he watched even built exactly. it >> wasn't even built exactly. it was at newcastle. >> you wouldn't that with >> you wouldn't get that with keir is genuinely keir because keir is genuinely funny. keir funny. i'm not. but keir genuinely football genuinely is a football fan. it's very on him, but it's not very harsh on him, but he needs to, um, you know, he needs to be a little bit careful now. he's, uh, number 10 is, uh, hopefully the hopefully just around the corner. hopefully just around the cor|not good at football, >> not very good at football, though, is he? dodgy goalkeeping performance on sunday where these taken. his performance on sunday where thes yeah. i mean, that is one of the things you don't want to be. you don't want to be losing in the year of an election, you're going to be using even a even an amateur football merge all right, well, let's stick, um, uh, labour party, shall uh, to the labour party, shall we? >> matthew? jeremy corbyn thinking at least about

launching labour party launching a rival labour party to split left. to split the left. >> so, i mean, >> absolutely. so, i mean, jeremy trying to jeremy corbyn's been trying to sort of that he's going sort of hinting that he's going to london mayor, but to stand for london mayor, but that was as independent. he that was as an independent. he started little organisation that was as an independent. he stsortd little organisation that was as an independent. he st sort of, little organisation that was as an independent. he st sort of, youe organisation that was as an independent. he st sort of, you know,1isation that was as an independent. he st sort of, you know, um,ion a sort of, you know, um, already, but it's not a political party. so now sources close jeremy corbyn are which close to jeremy corbyn are which are should are jeremy corbyn, which should be corbyn. be jeremy corbyn. yeah. i indicated oh, you're on fire today and you really are. um, it's been tipped to launch an actual political party that would labour at the would take on labour at the polls, just for the london polls, not just for the london mayor, but in seats across the country. and particularly the aim to capitalise on aim is to capitalise on discontent the left and discontent amongst the left and amongst muslim voters. the anger there has been amongst, uh, those groups with, with cjoajmh, with keir stance on israel—gaza. so that's what he sees as an opportunity . opportunity. >> now. i wrote a different version of this a few months ago in the mail in tower hamlets, which is the heart of london's east end. it is run by a pretty much a muslim party called aspire, run by a man called lutfur rahman. yeah, um, they turf labour out. absolutely the local labour mp there , um, has

local labour mp there, um, has refused to support a ceasefire. she's been very gaza. she's stuck to frontbench job. stuck to her frontbench job. while others while a lot of others have resigned . uh, and there's talk resigned. uh, and there's talk that he could put candidates up. what if he joined forces with jeremy corbyn? >> i think that i think that that's quite likely. so this is a very interesting seat, because this is the seat where oona king was the mp in the in the blair revolution of 97. and then she lost her after the iraq war lost her seat after the iraq war in 2005 to george galloway. yeah um, his own workers um, who has his own workers party ? um, was on gb news on party? um, he was on gb news on saturday afternoon. and, uh , saturday afternoon. um, and, uh, so galloway will be hoping that he would be the recipient of that sort of that that muslim anger gaza. but think anger about gaza. but i think that actually, i think jeremy is much more likely to, um, to team up with rahman in tower hamlets. interestingly, there's been a story today. um, the story about them today. um, the palestinian is flying all palestinian flag is flying all over hamlets, both over tower hamlets, um, both legally and illegally. and so a group of lawyers are now trying to take, um, tower hamlets and the, the sort of left muslim group run as you say, um,

group who run it as you say, um, to court because they, you know, there were rules around flags. it is we were cycling through there were rules around flags. it is whamletsycling through there were rules around flags. it is whamlets yesterday,jgh there were rules around flags. it is whamlets yesterday, which tower hamlets yesterday, which is near to me hackney, and is near to me in hackney, and the were everywhere. the flags were everywhere. >> not often i support >> it's not often i support jeremy i think this jeremy corbyn, but i think this is excellent idea. think he is an excellent idea. i think he should absolutely left should absolutely split the left if is his is. you if this is what his plan is. you know, the tories are already really quite worried about the about why this weekend about reform. why this weekend in particular so many in particular are so many palestinian flying? in particular are so many palestthere flying? in particular are so many palestthere any flying? in particular are so many palestthere any anything particular? >> no matthew, do you know >> no idea. matthew, do you know there there there was another there was another demonstration saturday. >> um, there was a there was a die in, as they called it, where they, um, they i live in westminster. westminster bridge. and hundreds and they was blocked by hundreds of people, um, you know, lying on pretending be on the ground pretending to be dead what see dead to highlight what they see as the atrocities going on. >> so but i remember i saw a labour person quoted saying, oh, it won't make any impact. uh if they they rally behind a they if they rally behind a muslim banner. that is ridiculous . there are ridiculous. there are some constituencies where the muslim vote is 41, 42. that is where this party would put up candidates and they would take

the votes from only one party, laboun >> they would they would take the votes from labour. but they would only split the labour vote, wouldn't they? they're not going actually on going to actually take on i mean, end up at the mean, we would end up at the general. jeremy corbyn left general. jeremy corbyn has left this late. he's going this quite late. if he's going to launch an actual he needs some money before. yeah, exactly. he needs money. he needs. think we have to be not needs. i think we have to be not too london centric though, because there are areas of the country this would not country where this would not even at all. even make any impact at all. sure. so i think what would happen end up happen is we would end up splitting vote. really splitting the vote. really across the board left and across the board on the left and on the with reform and on the right. with reform and the and everybody going the tories and everybody going for smaller for all these smaller, smaller and of pie, i mean, and smaller bits of pie, i mean, keir will be i mean, in some ways i think you're right. >> i think there will be an actual challenge actual electoral challenge in seats a seats where either there's a muslim or majority muslim majority or the majority of labour voters are muslim. so that which we saw george that which we saw because george galloway in galloway later on stood in bradford by—election bradford in a by—election and won. that would be won. so i think that would be labour's fear in those very muslim areas. in areas. do muslim areas. in other areas. do you arthur you remember when arthur scargill, um, who was the voice of left back the 80s and of the left back in the 80s and early 90s, where he, he set up a

party stand against tony party to stand against tony blair, who he thought was too right that got right wing and that got humiliated. didn't humiliated. but that didn't have the advantage you the advantage of being, you know, this know, associated with this particular. a muslim particular. he was a muslim credited fraud. credited old fraud. >> least, we >> uh, not least, not least, we discovered i mean, discovered that, um, so, i mean, jeremy corbyn is not a fraud, but he's discredited. but he's a discredited. >> but. but he's a discredited. >> yeah, but but but scargill spent his entire life opposing everything thatcher did and everything mrs. thatcher did and were he put in were then discovered. he put in an application under right to buy to buy. >> yeah, absolutely. led >> yeah, absolutely. lions led by >> yeah, absolutely. lions led by miners in the by donkeys. the miners in the strike. one the strike. yeah. as one of the other trade union leaders said. but one thing course, is but one one thing of course, is in of the internal labour in terms of the internal labour story there's lot story here, there's been a lot of people the left of corbyn of people on the left of corbyn have left. any of have already left. if any of them and support this party, them go and support this party, it's just like with militant, they'll taking pictures they'll be taking pictures and they'll be taking pictures and they'll the labour they'll be taking pictures and they'ltoo. the labour they'll be taking pictures and they'ltoo. so the labour they'll be taking pictures and they'ltoo. so that he labour they'll be taking pictures and they'ltoo. so that would our they'll be taking pictures and they'ltoo. so that would be an party too. so that would be an advantage for keir. but obviously some downsides. >> we've got time >> yeah, emma, we've got time for one more story. so let's take andrew, take a look at prince andrew, shall refusing to move shall we. he's refusing to move out apparently. >> he's refusing to >> and he's been refusing to move a while. move out for a while. >> been he >> he's been saying he absolutely and belongs absolutely needs and belongs in royal windsor. ten royal lodge in windsor. um, ten bedrooms, rooms. he's living

bedrooms, 30 rooms. he's living there mean, there with his ex—wife. i mean, you really, living you know, really, he's living there with his ex—wife, sarah ferguson release ferguson with the latest release of there's of the epstein papers. there's nothing them nothing specifically new in them apart and bobs that we apart from bits and bobs that we know visited epstein know that he visited epstein a lot. that he received. lot. we know that he received. we know received adjusted. >> he took part in underage >> he took part in an underage orgy daily. >> suggestions, but >> well, yeah, suggestions, but we had anything we we haven't had anything yet. we haven't gun yet haven't had the smoking gun yet with from female with daily massages from female staff. this, pressure with daily massages from female stinow this, pressure with daily massages from female stynow growings, pressure with daily massages from female stynow growing on pressure with daily massages from female stinow growing on wellassure with daily massages from female stinow growing on well obviously is now growing on well obviously on andrew, the court of public opinion made up their mind opinion have made up their mind about think the about andrew, but i think the pressure really growing pressure is now really growing on to do something. on the king to do something. he is royal lodge is living in royal lodge at the taxpayer's is living in royal lodge at the taxpygot's is living in royal lodge at the taxpygot security there, you he's got security there, you know, is this really a fit man? it's a thorn charles's it's a real thorn in charles's side, this young, this difficult , troublesome younger brother. it's only going get worse. he it's only going to get worse. he doesn't. you you that doesn't. you know, you saw that confrontation with the public the with andrew saying the other day with andrew saying , are why are you , why are you why are you filming and obviously filming me? and he's obviously not in mood. angry, he's not in a mood. he's angry, he's belligerent, he's humiliated. he settled virginia giuffre. >> for a woman, he says he doesn't think he even met what, million pounds exactly? >> i mean, that was a multi—million expensive

non—meeting. it's it's an non—meeting. it's an and it's an expensive move. >> important to say prince >> it's important to say prince andrew obviously vehemently denies wrongdoing, but of denies any wrongdoing, but of course, on royal lodge i went to interview him for the first time when i was on the telegraph and i went to royal lodge in windsor, so i thought it would be a lodge quite small. >> couldn't, was like >> i couldn't, it was like a stately home. yeah. and as was stately home. yeah. and as i was waiting for him whirring sound, a in a flipping helicopter landed in the which gives you an the garden, which gives you an indication scale indication of the scale of things. is 30 rooms, isn't things. it is 30 rooms, isn't it? >> and when we say 30 rooms, we don't mean rooms of our size. we mean well. mean absolutely rooms as well. >> i think. i think the king now, king's indicated that now, the king's indicated that he's going withdraw he's going to withdraw the security be pretty security and be pretty firm with, andrew. he's with, uh, with andrew. he's going to through going to have to follow through with he can't. going to have to follow through witiwell, he can't. going to have to follow through witiwell, it's he can't. going to have to follow through witiwell, it's not he can't. going to have to follow through witiwell, it's not going 1't. going to have to follow through witiwell, it's not going away, is >> well, it's not going away, is it? and what do with him? >> and what do you do with him? >> and what do you do with him? >> there's a very estate in >> there's a very nice estate in scotland balmoral. it's scotland called balmoral. it's a long way from the road. it's obscured from view obscured from public view by. >> council >> i know many council. council flats are around london that flats are all around london that he pop him he could pop him in. >> know, there's plenty of >> you know, there's plenty of cottages could go cottages on there. he could go and on the balmoral. he and live on the balmoral. he could be the gamekeeper. he could be the gamekeeper. he

could after him to shoot. could look after him to shoot. >> yeah. no, >> yes, absolutely. yeah. no, i think that's ideal solution. think that's the ideal solution. >> favour and take >> do us all a favour and take fergie with him. >> absolutely. and i think thus far hasn't brookside it far it hasn't brookside it hasn't charles but hasn't damaged charles yet. but i say, it's not i think, as you say, it's not going away. think the king going away. and i think the king is to to something is going to have to do something about is going to have to do something abothere's more documents coming >> there's more documents coming up. matthew, up. they. well, matthew, emma, thank indeed . it's thank you very much indeed. it's now 1800. >> homes have been left underwater as the chaos continues with the weather. how do this? do we tackle this? >> we're going to >> yeah, we're going to be talking that in next talking about that in the next houn talking about that in the next hour. this is britain's newsroom on news. on gb news. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> i'm alex deakin . >> i'm alex deakin. >> i'm alex deakin. >> this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. >> a cold start to a cold week. >> a cold start to a cold week. >> most of us will be dry through this week, but today we do have a few showers around. high pressure is controlling our weather as it will do for the next the next several days around the high pressure. the winds go clockwise . i mean, we've got

clockwise. i mean, we've got this easterly breeze across the south and that is bringing a mixture rain, sleet and mixture of rain, sleet and snow showers east showers over parts of east anglia southeast. anglia in the southeast. increasingly flurries increasingly a few flurries likely around london, likely in and around london, essex, also perhaps essex, kent, but also perhaps into parts of hampshire , the into parts of hampshire, the sussexes and maybe 1 or 2 even in the south midlands. the odd rain and sleet shower over northern england, southern scotland. but for most it's dry, quite cloudy, but where we've got well it still got some sunshine. well it still feels cold because temperatures are struggling below average and that wind making feel even that wind making it feel even colder the south, blowing a colder in the south, blowing a few more of those wintry showers across parts southwest , across parts of the southwest, perhaps time through the perhaps for a time through the evening maybe evening and overnight, maybe into wales . so into parts of south wales. so again, might see a few again, you might see a few flurries here and there could turn icy as well, where we've got showers got those showers as temperatures again temperatures tumble again widely, well below freezing, particularly in scotland where there's some freezing fog patches are likely to patches which are likely to unger patches which are likely to linger through the day. through the night and into tomorrow morning. again most places having fine bright having a fine bright day tomorrow . any early showers in tomorrow. any early showers in the south—west will the south—west they will disappear. if anything . not as

disappear. if anything. not as much cloud around tomorrow, so a better chance of seeing longer spells but it ain't spells of sunshine. but it ain't going very going to warm things up very much. another cold one tomorrow that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> thanks, alex. still to come fobbed off. that's how the victim of the post office scandal rightly feel when miscarriages of justice came across. then the post, the then post affair ministers ed davey desk he with britain's newsroom on gb news. stay with

us. 11 am. on monday the 8th of january. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with me, andrew pierce and ellie costello i >> -- >> post office payout the justice secretary, alex chalk , justice secretary, alex chalk, is meeting ministers today over the horizon scandal. we'll have the horizon scandal. we'll have the latest . the latest. >> is it time to resign? pressure growing on lib dem leader sir ed davey over his role in the post office scandal. he was post office minister when it all happening . it was all happening. >> weather warning britain >> icy weather warning britain is braced for freeze with snow on the way . the met office has on the way. the met office has issued a yellow weather warning today. issued a yellow weather warning today . oh and barton backlash. today. oh and barton backlash. he's been tweeting quite controversial comments. we'll have the latest.

>> is that sexist? football manager ? manager? >> that's quite a sexist rant. some would say . some would say. >> i think women are qualified to commentate two football commentaries. >> yeah, and suggesting his latest women , some latest rant that women, some women have slept their women at least have slept their way to the top or slept their way to the top or slept their way as football way into jobs as football commentator , what do you make of commentator, what do you make of that? views gbnews.com. that? gb views gbnews.com. before we get into any of that though, let's get the latest news sevilla . news headlines with sevilla. >> thanks, ellie. good morning. it's 11:01. i'm >> thanks, ellie. good morning. it's11:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. more than a million people have signed a petition demanding a former post office boss be stripped of her cbe. paul vennells was in charge and routinely denied there were problems with the horizon it system, which made it look like money was missing from shops . money was missing from shops. hundreds of staff were convicted, jailed , bankrupted convicted, jailed, bankrupted and took their lives after

and some took their lives after they were wrongly accused of theft. the government is now looking at ways to exonerate those were caught the those who were caught up in the scandal, justice scandal, with the justice secretary and post office minister meeting today, one of the victims, christopher head, says he doesn't believe the fault lies just with one person. >> the reason that paul vennells has singled out is because has been singled out is because she aware on she was she was made aware on countless occasions of the problems obviously she was problems and obviously she was in the position at that particular to do something particular time to do something about and do so. so i about it and fail to do so. so i think that that's been think that is why that's been the but you know, you roll the case. but you know, you roll back over the years that, you know, is obviously know, there is obviously people in people in fujitsu, there is people in government even, government or ministers or even, you know, servants you know, civil servants that maybe damage maybe tried to have damage limitation, let's say, in order to try and make this a hope that it would go away. so there's countless people you countless number of people you had ceos post had previously ceos at post office have crozier, office have adam crozier, there's you know, there's just there's you know, there's just the list is endless. so we need the list is endless. so we need the inquiry to finish so that we get to the bottom of that. and obviously for the met police to do their investigation, an economic to the economic secretary to the

treasury, afolami , says the treasury, bim afolami, says the government is working as quickly as compensate the as it can to compensate the victims . victims. >> it's worth saying that everybody involved with the post office scandal, 100% of office horizon scandal, 100% of them interim them have received interim payments of over £168,000. that isn't enough, but that's an interim payment. we've brought forward a bill going through parliament should clear parliament should clear parliament in the next week or so, so that we don't have to wait for the results of the inquiry that we can get this inquiry so that we can get this compensation paid in full as soon possible . in addition to soon as possible. in addition to that, the chancellor , who's that, the lord chancellor, who's head justice system is head of the justice system is meeting colleagues meeting with other colleagues across today to across government later today to see much we can make see how much faster we can make sure they have the legal redress , as as the financial , as well as the financial redress. we want to get this sorted as we possibly can. >> freezing conditions are set to hit the uk, with some areas still trying to recover from floods . an amber cold health floods. an amber cold health alert has been issued for parts of england with sleet and snow forecast. the met office has also issued yellow warnings for ice , with the cold snap set to ice, with the cold snap set to continue throughout the week .

continue throughout the week. more than 160 flood warnings remain in place across the country, and over 1800 properties have been damaged . properties have been damaged. after being criticised for not meeting with flooding victims, the prime minister spoke to affected residents in oxford yesterday . rishi sunak tried to yesterday. rishi sunak tried to defend his record, saying the government has invested £5.2 billion in flood defences . billion in flood defences. labour has accused the government of being asleep at the wheel over flood warnings. sir keir starmer is visiting the flood hit east midlands today. mps will debate the offshore petroleum bill later as parliament returns for the first time this year. if it passes, the legislation will mandate that licences for oil and gas projects in the north sea are awarded annually. it's already led to the resignation of tory mp chris skidmore, who says the law would show the uk is rowing further back from its climate commitments . the door, which commitments. the door, which blew off an alaska airlines plane mid—flight, has been recovered . the boeing 737 max

recovered. the boeing 737 max nine was forced to make an emergency landing after the drama unfolded in portland on friday in. investigators confirmed the key missing component was found in someone's garden. the federal aviation administration says the fleet, including those operated by other carriers, will remain grounded until they're deemed safe . the us has launched its safe. the us has launched its first moon mission since apollo the peregrine mission one, built by us space company astrobotic, will become the first private probe to land on the lunar surface. the rocket lifted off from florida this morning and is expected to land on the 23rd of february. it's operated by the united launch alliance company, the number one competitor to elon musk's spacex. if it touches down safely, it will be the first american craft to make a soft landing on the lunar surface since the apollo era . surface since the apollo era. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now it's back to andrew and . ellie.

back to andrew and. ellie. >> thanks for the time. is 11:05. thank you so much for your company this morning. loads of you emailing in lots actually on derek draper, the late husband now of kate garraway . husband now of kate garraway. one of your colleagues, ian says please can you send my condolences to kate ? i too lost condolences to kate? i too lost my partner just before christmas. jean had five years of liver cancer . so sorry to of liver cancer. so sorry to hear that ian and she had pain but was stoic and was able to smile and jokes. in the end smile and make jokes. in the end she went quickly and that pain is gone. well, we're sending our condolences to you as well, ian. thank very much for your thank you very much for your email . and bill says my wife is email. and bill says my wife is in bed 24 over seven, very ill. i am her carer, kate and their story helped show how difficult it is to get help when you're very ill. she inspired me, was touched a lot of people very similar to us, and a lot of people are getting in about contact, about gladiators. >> so most people >> yes. so most people think good, back because good, bringing it back because they was fun and gets

they say it was fun and it gets young people but i love this young people in. but i love this from john who says, i do hope they do a celebrity of they do a celebrity version of gladiator where gary lineker is battered by the top gladiator, throwing with him, throwing sticks or something . sticks or something. >> yes, yes, gary lineker , apart >> yes, yes, gary lineker, apart from his views which we seem to pay from his views which we seem to pay for. >> yes. um, yeah , lots of people >> yes. um, yeah, lots of people saying it's actually a fantastic idea to reboot gladiators on the bbc. ian says it was fantastic show, but wolf should have been a presenter and gemma says she loved it as a kid. really looking forward to it being back. and leo makes a good point actually the reason why they're bringing it back, leo says, is an young an attempt to appeal to young voters and therefore therefore sorry, justify the licence fee may out. >> then you love you loved it, did you? >> back in the day i didn't know, okay. >> i thought it was dreadful. >> i thought it was dreadful. >> it was a good interview with wolf earlier wasn't it? >> yeah. he was great. was >> yeah. he was great. it was very to him back and he very good to see him back and he looks pretty good minus the hair. >> he's carried on working hair. >>71.a's carried on working at 71. >> he's looked pretty damn good for did. >> he's looked pretty damn good for yes.iid. >> he's looked pretty damn good for yes. now ministers are >> yes. now ministers are meeting today consider

meeting today to consider measures clearing names meeting today to consider m>thell, joining us is chair horizon scandal. >>thell, joiniselect is chair horizon scandal. >>the ll, joiniselect committee' of the justice select committee and conservative mp for bromley and conservative mp for bromley and sir bob neil. and chislehurst. sir bob neil. very to see you this very good to see you this morning sir bob. so for these subpostmasters and sub post mistresses they'll be screaming at the television saying finally it's only taken an itv drama. but finally justice could finally be served . finally be served. >> well, we certainly want to get this moving. >> in fairness , when i spoke to >> in fairness, when i spoke to the justice secretary , alex the justice secretary, alex chalk, he had already started on work on this. um but prior to the, uh , tv very, very moving, the, uh, tv very, very moving, fantastic piece of television , fantastic piece of television, wasn't it? >> prior to the series coming out, when the issues were raised with him? but you're right, this has come out over a period of time . the scale of it has grown. time. the scale of it has grown. we now know a lot more about the scale of this horrific problem. and so now need get moving and so now we need to get moving quickly and so now we need to get moving quibob and so now we need to get moving quiibob , a lot bob, a lot >> bob, a lot of sir bob, a lot of people are talking about the government has already coughed

up compensation. up £150 million in compensation. why fujitsu, who provided why has fujitsu, who provided this defective it equipment , this defective it equipment, not, it appears, paid a penny and more. more so also they've said nothing either. >> it may be andrew, that that's partly because we've still got the public inquiry ongoing and like you , i think at the end of like you, i think at the end of the day, we ought to be looking to fujitsu for recompense for these poor people. um as i understand it, the government's made this money available on an interim basis . and think interim basis. and i think you're uh we ought to be you're right. uh we ought to be looking very carefully about any future have with future dealings we have with fujitsu , shouldn't we? after fujitsu, shouldn't we? after this? think the end of fujitsu, shouldn't we? after thisday, think the end of fujitsu, shouldn't we? after thisday, if think the end of fujitsu, shouldn't we? after thisday, if this1k the end of fujitsu, shouldn't we? after thisday, if this is the end of fujitsu, shouldn't we? after thisday, if this is due |e end of fujitsu, shouldn't we? after thisday, if this is due to and of fujitsu, shouldn't we? after thisday, if this is due to theirf the day, if this is due to their failure and individuals have gone through terrible, terrible things and the government is out of paying them rightly of pocket by paying them rightly compensation. i'm entirely with you should be pursuing you about we should be pursuing them. what paula vennells? >> uh , is this woman no shame, >> uh, is this woman no shame, sir? bob, it's not just that she got a cbe, but the citation for that cbe in 2019 was for services to the post office. so by any stretch of the

imagination, this is one of the worst miscarriages of justice in british modern british legal history. and she was in charge dunng history. and she was in charge during much of this time. >> well, i'm inclined to say , >> well, i'm inclined to say, andrew, that's initially between her and her conscience, but i think a lot of people will feel exactly as you've expressed on that. and i think it's an interesting contrast , isn't it, interesting contrast, isn't it, between her and, um, uh, mr bates , who actually refused to bates, who actually refused to accept an honour, um, despite actually the fantastic work that he had done . i actually the fantastic work that he had done. i think actually the fantastic work that he had done . i think there's a he had done. i think there's a moral judgement there, isn't it? contrast and compare . but again, contrast and compare. but again, i suspect once we've had the full, uh, in diary. so i suppose she has to have an element of due process. you know, there are means of dealing with these situations where honours are brought into question . um, then brought into question. um, then i'd be surprised if that wasn't looked at. put it that way, sir. >> bob, what has taken so long? we're talking about something that's going on for at that's been going on for at least years. some of our least 25 years. some of our guests morning suggesting

guests this morning suggesting it for on closer it could be going for on closer to we know that justice to 30. we know that justice secretary is meeting the for minister the post office today. they're reviewing they're talking about reviewing opfions they're talking about reviewing options looking it, options and looking at it, that's as much as we've got in terms of rishi sunak talking over the weekend. but it is time for action. is it not? something like a mass solution exonerating anybody who was wrongly convicted and clearing all of those names ? and then we've got those names? and then we've got compensation, of course, to think about? sure >> well, that's one of the areas i've been particularly concerned about because the scale of this problem has emerged over a penod problem has emerged over a period of time, as you know, um , period of time, as you know, um, and ifs period of time, as you know, um, and it's gathered pace , and clearly it's gathered pace, uh, and that's just as well, thank heavens. but i think what we've got to do is to move swiftly now to do two things. firstly you want to get the compensation paid out on an interim then interim basis and then full compensation as soon as possible. these people possible. secondly these people do want their names cleared. they've been through a dreadful failure system the way we failure of our system the way we have to do that. mind is to have to balance getting swift. uh,

just this for them and exoneration and at the same time protect the independence of the court system , because what court system, because what happened was, of course , they happened was, of course, they were convicted by the courts on probably in good faith, what was the evidence presented to the courts at the time? but we now know that evidence was flawed. and those convictions now and so those convictions now need to be overturned . i rather need to be overturned. i rather agree with david davis , my agree with david davis, my friend and colleague who was on on a different channel, but never mind making the point that quite a lot of the people who have he's spoken to who actually have he's spoken to who actually have been victims of this and said , we're really wanting not said, we're really wanting not an exoneration by parliament or by some sort of parliament. pardon but we actually want the convictions overturned by the courts because we were convicted by the courts. so what we need to have to look is a means of to have to look at is a means of moving swiftly to progress. that two things i'd suggest we could do one is that the crown do one. one is that the crown prosecution service should take over the conduct of the appeals , over the conduct of the appeals, as they're they're able to do

that 1985 piece of legislation, the prosecution of offences act, enables them to take those over. what i then urge is that the government makes some money, neednt government makes some money, needn't be massive, available to the cps to bring in extra lawyers to review all the cases very quickly and then at the same time, we must have a conversation with the judiciary, because the courts are independent. of course , uh, and independent. of course, uh, and they will need to be able to list those cases. and it's worth beanng list those cases. and it's worth bearing in mind the court of appeal bearing in mind the court of appeal, which would have to hear them, is running at full stretch already . there's a statutory already. there's a statutory limit on the number of high court judges . limit on the number of high court judges. if we've limit on the number of high court judges . if we've got court judges. if we've got a limit on the number of judges who's and what we who's available and what we don't want is a situation where other cases which already in other cases which are already in the pipeline to be heard by the court appeal, are pushed back court of appeal, are pushed back because , i'm sure with because of this, i'm sure with the imagination and that's where alex chalk, the lord chancellor , alex chalk, the lord chancellor, needs to speaking to, uh, needs to be speaking to, uh, baroness carr, the lady chief justice, about how we make that available, but with good will

and a bit of investment, i think that can be done. we should that can be done. and we should be at months at rather be looking at months at rather than risk of dragging for than the risk of it dragging for on sometimes these on years, as sometimes these things can would be, things can be. that would be, i think, a fair way forward, which preserves the constitutional proprieties . but the other thing proprieties. but the other thing i think we've got to do, and this is something where i think the help us, there's the media can help us, there's an lot of the people an awful lot of the people who are victims this who were are victims of this who were prosecuted, haven't come forward yet either claim compensation yet either to claim compensation or to lodge appeals. so some of them, it seems, have been so traumatised by the process that they to walk away they just want to walk away completely, though they're completely, even though they're be entitled to significant sums of money. think we need to of money. so i think we need to help all of us in encouraging them to have the confidence to come forward, to contact solicitors and then in their cases can be put. i hope, to the, uh, cps because they will be looking at it independently from the post office, whose lawyers clearly failed lamentably in this . and then the lamentably in this. and then the thing could hopefully be moved forward swiftly. >> all right. that's, uh , bob >> all right. that's, uh, bob

neil, who is the chairman of the commons justice select committee, he's the tory mp committee, and he's the tory mp for bromley chislehurst, for bromley and chislehurst, with in the studio now with us in the studio now delighted regular guest here, delighted a regular guest here, shaun um shaun bailey lord bailey. um what about the lib dem leader? look, we've seen it's on the front page of the times today. they've added it up 31 times since he became lib dem leader in april 2019. he's called for people public life to stand people in public life to stand down. ifs, no buts . get, get down. no ifs, no buts. get, get and this was the man who was and go. this was the man who was post office for minister two years. the evidence was building up big time. there was a serious problem here, but he was dismissive in particular, he was dismissive in particular, he was dismissive of alan bates , who dismissive of alan bates, who was, of course, the focus of this tremendous drama. mr this tremendous tv drama. mr bates versus the post office. he says he was given the wrong advice or the wrong information by office minister. he by the post office minister. he should have pushed back against it, shouldn't he? >> i mean, first and foremost, this biggest miscarriage this is the biggest miscarriage of history. of justice in british history. and horrific reading. and it makes horrific reading. and it makes horrific reading. and show involved and the television show involved just brings it to life in such a way. and when you read it, some

people they were people have died since they were accused , some committed suicide, accused, some committed suicide, committed . i read committed suicide. i read a particularly harrowing story. a lady she wasn't lady said, if she wasn't pregnant, she would have committed that does, that >> and what that does, that gives the people weight of gives the people the weight of what going on here. what was going on here. >> wasn't just someone said, what was going on here. >> know,|'t just someone said, what was going on here. >> know,|'t justole neone said, what was going on here. >> know,|'t justole aeone said, what was going on here. >> know,|'t justole a couple d, what was going on here. >> know,|'t justole a couple of you know, you stole a couple of quid tuck shop. quid from the tuck shop. this ruined lives their ruined people's lives and their families as so when families lives as well. so when you at the minister you look at the minister involved, lib dem leader, involved, the lib dem leader, what look at, he's what he'll have to look at, he's been opposition been a great opposition politician, hasn't he's politician, hasn't he? he's loved people they should loved telling people they should leave their jobs, but he'll have to realise is that one to do realise now is that one rule for them and a different rule for them and a different rule for them and a different rule for him, he's rule for him, because he's mismanagement asituation, rule for him, because he's mis|beengement asituation, rule for him, because he's mis|beengemenand a situation, rule for him, because he's mis|beengemenand deathation, has been a life and death situation . therefore most has been a life and death situatiosaid, therefore most has been a life and death situatio said, well'efore most has been a life and death situatio said, well ,fore most has been a life and death situatio said, well , we most has been a life and death situatio said, well , we shouldn't people said, well, we shouldn't even have a conversation. if you think people should leave their jobs in comparison think people should leave their jobs be in comparison think people should leave their jobs be minorymparison think people should leave their jobs be minor infraction, off would be a minor infraction, off you go. and he hopefully he's learned a lesson here that he shouldn't be pointing fingers and causing ructions when actually he's got a lot to answer himself. >> ed davey hasn't >> well, sir, ed davey hasn't said yet, i imagine said anything yet, but i imagine he would say he was going off the advice that he had at the time and the evidence that he

had at the time from horizon . had at the time from horizon. would that be enough for to would that be enough for him to literally put his literally come out and put his hands and look, i was hands up and say, look, i was just advised. hands up and say, look, i was just it's advised. hands up and say, look, i was just it's two advised. hands up and say, look, i was just it's two things;ed. hands up and say, look, i was just it's two things you've >> it's two things you've said that there one is that are important. there one is about hands up. if about putting your hands up. if you if you heard what bob neil was saying, the families involved want proper exoneration. one the exoneration. and one of the people to apologise people who needs to apologise was ed ed davey the was certainly be ed ed davey the other pieces as well. i wonder if ed davey asked for ministers to go who could give the same defence well . yeah, now. and defence as well. yeah, now. and that's the issue, isn't it? you could always say that a minister was poor advice and that was given poor advice and that could be true. should could well be true. but should the minister can or the minister carry the can or not? that's for other people not? now that's for other people to answer. but ed davey would have conversation. >> and what about paula vennells in all of this, should she be stripped cbe look, stripped of her cbe look, stripping paula of stripping paula vennells of her cbe anybody cbe will will not help anybody come back. >> will not help any of these >> it will not help any of these families better. well, families feel any better. well, i'm million people think it i'm a million people think it will do, of course, because we now in a culture of revenge now live in a culture of revenge and people out of their and putting people out of their jobs and all the rest of that. hence the ed davey conversation. if people i'm

if that's what people want, i'm sure will on. but sure it will rumble on. but i think what ought to do is think what she ought to do is really reflect on how she's going to apologise because she was of, um , this situation was part of, um, this situation growing because what's incredible about this situation incredible about this situation in the post office at least according to the defence, um, the legal defence team constantly ran a, a campaign of sort of misinformation and, and they had hundreds of millions of pounds of lawyers leaning on these, on these small working class people who are just trying to for living. is to work for a living. that is the part she was the part that she was responsible for. and that's what she to reflect. if and she needs to reflect. if and when does to apologise when she does agree to apologise . should face those . but she should also face those people had their lives people who've had their lives utterly ruined by this. >> is the latest whilst >> um, what is the latest whilst we've got you, lord bailey, on your spat with carol vorderman. i've got to ask you. you better put it in context. >> how did you upset her? >> how did you upset her? >> this situation. >> how did you upset her? >> so, this situation. >> how did you upset her? >> so, mean, situation. >> how did you upset her? >> so, mean, it's|ation. >> how did you upset her? >> so, mean, it's a:ion. >> how did you upset her? >> so, mean, it's a bit. >> how did you upset her? >> so, mean, it's a bit of a >> so, i mean, it's a bit of a crass way of expressing myself, but express she but i express that she. she regularly attacks people and. and know, tories, tories. and you know, tories, tories. >> she lost her job on the bbc.

>> she lost her job on the bbc. >> yeah, yeah. and then i just put myself the firing line. put myself in the firing line. but bottom line, the but but the bottom line, the bottom is it's been bottom line is this it's been for it's not a spat. i you for me. it's not a spat. i you know, if you if you're in public life i you get life like i am, you get attacked. you to make attacked. you have to make a decision. you do you join decision. do you do you join in and amplify? think people and amplify? i just think people should little less , um, should be a little less, um, finger pointing and people should actually look at what, what's context challenge you what's the context challenge you and said. and what you said. >> bailey . on the one and what you said. >> bailey. on the one hand, >> bill bailey. on the one hand, she's a serious political commentator. and then if you look instagram , it's all look at her instagram, it's all pictures her and boobs. look at her instagram, it's all pictures it? her and boobs. look at her instagram, it's all pictures it? her can'tand boobs. look at her instagram, it's all pictures it? her can't be boobs. look at her instagram, it's all pictures it? her can't be both.;. what is it? she can't be both. she says that sexist misogynist. >> point i was trying to >> the point i was trying to make has absolute savaged make is she has absolute savaged people. said some really people. she has said some really terrible about people . in terrible things about people. in fact, women actually . she fact, mainly women actually. she said some really terrible things about women. and yes, i express myself in a poor way. but what i was to is she lives was trying to say is she lives in glitzy glam world now. our in a glitzy glam world now. our children up to children follow her, look up to her. she's a clever, intelligent woman. the other woman. but on the other hand, she's deliberately trying to destroy organising she's deliberately trying to destroy pilings. organising she's deliberately trying to destroy pilings. theyrganising she's deliberately trying to destroy pilings. the amountg she's deliberately trying to destroy pilings. the amount of massive pilings. the amount of racial that i've had racial abuse that i've had because of her people threatening my mum , all

threatening to kill my mum, all kinds things. and that's kinds of things. and that's directly because of actions she's taken and the disappointing thing is people she's taken and the disa|should|g thing is people she's taken and the disa|should ki'iowig is people she's taken and the disa|should know betterzople she's taken and the disa|should know better inyle she's taken and the disa|should know better in places who should know better in places in the media have supported her in the media have supported her in that i had a woman approached me this morning and said, say, do i feel under pressure racially? and i said, why? and she her phone and she took out her phone and showed me something that people had me on the back of had said to me on the back of carol waldman's comments. now that is something that now i'm going worry about. my going to have to worry about. my mother's to have to worry mother's going to have to worry about. is, if about. and the point is, if you're going have political you're going to have political discourse, have it, but if you're attack people you're going to attack people and organised pillage, you probably shouldn't be supported in saying in that way. and all i'm saying is, if you have a massive platform, million platform, over a million followers, responsibility followers, some responsibility comes with that. >> don't you say an >> why don't you say an organised you think organised party? what, you think she's got people to she's deliberately got people to attack you? >> this is not my opinion. this is the broad opinion i've had other broadcasters to me. other broadcasters say it to me. i've had in the street i've had people in the street say to me . and then she's say it to me. and then she's written things about, you know, look here. just never look at him here. just never suggested get paid for. suggested i don't get paid for. i get for i shouldn't get paid for the work these this

work i do, etc, etc. these this is worrying people. and now arade dam people stop me in the street and ask me, is it elements of race in this? why are you singled out? had are you singled out? i had another woman talk about what she mercer . it's she did to johnny mercer. it's unnecessary . if don't unnecessary. see, if you don't like tories , don't like the like the tories, don't like the tories . but to organise personal tories. but to organise personal pilings like this , they run the tories. but to organise personal pilirandike this , they run the tories. but to organise personal pilir and the :his , they run the tories. but to organise personal pilirand the problem. run the tories. but to organise personal pilirand the problem. we| the tories. but to organise personal pilirand the problem. we have in risk and the problem. we have in this now, we are this country now, we are polarised in a way we've never been. and this kind of activity is, is. >> why are you shocked then , by >> why are you shocked then, by the way in which this has snowballed or what you just said there or , or does it not there or, or does it not surprise you at all this the world that we're living in, unfortunately , i'm i'm not unfortunately, i'm i'm not particularly surprised because history has recent history has demonstrated this . demonstrated this. >> i was a bit taken aback at how everything was taken out of context. i admit it was a it was a crass of expressing an a crass way of expressing an important point, but it's the way in which the world unfortunate works. and i think we're getting point where we're getting to the point where as a nation, certainly the press, the written press, certainly the written press, certainly the written press have address this press will have to address this problem isn't just

problem because it isn't just me. there'll be people problem because it isn't just methe there'll be people problem because it isn't just methe other there'll be people problem because it isn't just methe other sideere'll be people problem because it isn't just methe other side of 'll be people problem because it isn't just methe other side of the ye people on the other side of the argument. so what your you argument. so what your tory, you know, but there's other whatever. but there's other people have female labour people like i have female labour colleagues use colleagues who now won't use social media because they've had rape threats, etcetera , etc, you rape threats, etcetera, etc, you know, and this is the this is the downside of organising these kind of piling. >> it is often a sewer, isn't it? before we let you go, you were, course, tory london were, of course, tory london mayoral years mayoral candidate four years ago. which mayoral candidate four years ago. have which mayoral candidate four years ago. have been which mayoral candidate four years ago. have been crippling for would have been crippling for this capital city, was this great capital city, was called off 11th hour. um called off at the 11th hour. um piers? sorry. curse sadiq khan said when he ran to be mayor in 2016, there'd be no strikes. i think there's been 130 or 140 days of strikes, nearly three times as many strikes as there were when ken livingstone and bofis were when ken livingstone and boris combined were mayor. >> look, there's a few things to say. firstly, sadiq khan's trouble has been he's very close to the unions , they fund the to the unions, they fund the labour party, etc. etc. so he is never really particularly wanted to stand up to them. and of course the people suffered course the people have suffered are londoners that needs to are londoners and that needs to change. other pieces as change. the other pieces as well. has he actually resolved

this because promised this because he's promised he looks he'll give them more looks like he'll give them more money? >> suspended >> well, he's suspended it. >> well, he's suspended it. >> where's that >> exactly. yeah. where's that money coming from? >> where's money >> exactly. where's that money come from? because ulez expansion of the ltns london zone means londoners will pay. and he and actually, has he just suspended after the suspended it until after the election? because we're in an election? because we're in an election year now, this election year now, is this a cynical make sure that cynical ploy to make sure that they bully him until the they don't bully him until the election's the other election's gone? and the other thing as well, if the rmt get paid this if they paid more, so if this if they are successful , what will he do are successful, what will he do with the unions that he said this is the last he said he settled up earlier with a different set unions. they'll different set of unions. they'll be they'll back. different set of unions. they'll be why they'll back. different set of unions. they'll be why wouldn't y'll back. different set of unions. they'll be why wouldn't they back. different set of unions. they'll be why wouldn't they beyack. and why wouldn't they be back when given lot more when he's given this lot more money? ultimate thing is if money? the ultimate thing is if he wants to protect londoners, he wants to protect londoners, he service he needs to use minimum service rules. don't disagree rules. now, i don't disagree that should be a that people should be paid a fair for where to fair wage for where they have to provide certain level of service. >> if you're an essential service. >> if yylike an essential service. >> if yylike the essential service. >> if yylike the tube,tial service like the tube, particularly in london particularly because in london we dependent on public transport. >> if you can't get public transport into work, london stops, hospitals, schools, etc. etc. so actually he should, he should, he should instate that early everybody know,

okay. >> lord bailey , thank you very >> lord bailey, thank you very much indeed. >> you're very welcome to come on program any program on this program or any program on this program or any program on gb news. be very on gb news. you'd be very welcome. you the welcome. we'll give you the numbers. where to numbers. don't know where to find numbers. don't know where to fin(yes. now, to come. why >> yes. now, still to come. why did this a bit a viewpoint did this a bit of a viewpoint turn? isn't it? why did fish turn? isn't it? why did the fish cross road? cross the road? >> because britain's streets are flooded. yeah i don't flooded. oh, dear. yeah i don't know writing these know who's writing these this morning. that morning. um, whoever wrote that hang your head in shame. we're going to be asking the meteorologist, jim dale, who we know popular with gb meteorologist, jim dale, who we know viewers)opular with gb meteorologist, jim dale, who we know viewers andlar with gb meteorologist, jim dale, who we know viewers and listeners.b meteorologist, jim dale, who we know viewers and listeners. the news viewers and listeners. the answer question

isabel monday to thursdays from 6:00 till 930. >> it's 1127 with britain's newsroom and gb news with andrew pierce and ellie costello. >> yes, now flooding chaos has seen more than 1800 homes in britain left underwater , and it britain left underwater, and it could continue for another five days. >> can we expect more of the same for 2024? well, joining us in the studio is the senior meteorologist , jim dale, who, by meteorologist, jim dale, who, by the way, just handed me this is his first book. it's called weather or not quite a clever head. >> yeah, yeah. it's a it's a clue to why the weather and the climate are so, so important to us. >> us. >> um, within that book, there's all the reasons and rhymes why thatis all the reasons and rhymes why that is the case. and it including the economy, including retail, including health and welfare well—being . um, so welfare and well—being. um, so it's all in there. >> and, i mean, we could talk about your point is we're going to get more of this bad weather

this year of climate this year because of climate change. it should this year because of climate chithe�*. it should this year because of climate chithe number it should this year because of climate chithe number one it should this year because of climate chithe number one issue should this year because of climate chithe number one issue at)uld this year because of climate chithe number one issue at the be the number one issue at the general i guarantee it general election. i guarantee it won't be. >> uh, might right. in >> uh, you might be right. in terms your second terms of your second thing, there, should um , there, i think it should be, um, and the reason is it dictates everything else. so if we talk about might be the cost of about what might be the cost of living, nhs, living, for example, the nhs, these the top these are normally the top things an things that you see in an economy. the economy . look, economy. the economy. look, weather whether weather dictates whether dictates believe it. i mean, let's just take the floods for example. uh, vegetable oils rot in the fields. what's going to happen to say potato, carrot, turnip beet prices in the next few weeks? you'll probably see them going up a year ago, because they're literally in flooded. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> demand and supply suggests >> so demand and supply suggests that the prices go up that the prices will go up because won't be enough because there won't be enough of them supermarkets . them to supply the supermarkets. now, we had a snowstorm in morocco a year ago, and if you remember, the shelves of vegetables or the fruit , vegetables or the fruit, vegetables, fruit and vegetable parts anyway, from morocco, the shelves in the supermarkets emptied and that was just a bit of snow in morocco. so look, you might not think it. i think

sometimes we take the weather for weather for granted. the weather and climate, hits us climate, and until it hits us and then and we keep getting hit and then and we keep getting hit and we will. to answer your question, continue to be it. why? because emissions are still at very rate . um, they're at a very high rate. um, they're not necessarily going down and it's going to take it's going to take years for the for the take many years for the for the climate to catch up on terms of the renewables, what's going on now? of good news is now? one bit of good news is 2023 was the first time, uh, first time in recorded uk history that renewables overtook fossil fuels as our main energy source, 53. and that that the 30 odd percent for fossils was the fossil fuel was the lowest that we've seen on record. so you can see there's a trend going on and that will not be reversed . that will not be reversed. >> but it's not realistic. is it because keir starmer, the labour leader, is saying that speech leader, is saying in that speech which nearly will it which nearly sent, will it virtually send me to sleep. virtually did send me to sleep. if i had if i hadn't been if i had been, if i hadn't been working, would gone. if i had been, if i hadn't been woriing, would gone. if i had been, if i hadn't been wori watched uld gone. if i had been, if i hadn't been wori watched the gone. if i had been, if i hadn't been wori watched the speech.1e. if i had been, if i hadn't been wori watched the speech. yeah, >> i watched the speech. yeah, well, so fine with it. but anyway. >> and but insisting we can

>> and but he's insisting we can have clean by no have clean power by 2030. no need to rely on gas. that's for the birds. it can't happen. >> no, we have to have. we have to have the aim. there has to be a political party that will take us um let's let's be us that way. um let's let's be frank about it . we've had every frank about it. we've had every week. not necessarily . week. well, not necessarily. he's promised 28 billion. 28 billion. but i think he's billion. yeah but i think he's it was going to be every year how. >> now. >> it's going to be the second half. >> i think he's got which part of the second half. he's got to be. he's got to be careful. and i don't think it's something you can say. on 1st of january can say. on the 1st of january 2030, everything's going to be the is going to be the end of 2030. is going to be fine. think that be fine. i don't think that will be the case. but but you've got to have as politician. have an aim as a politician. you've put something out you've got to put something out there says, this is my you've got to put something out there of says, this is my you've got to put something out there of direction. s is my you've got to put something out there of direction. my, my, my, sense of direction. my, my, my, the travel. that's the way i wish to travel. that's what done in complete what he's done in complete contrast example, reform what he's done in complete contra who example, reform what he's done in complete contra who were example, reform what he's done in complete contra who were exa some reform what he's done in complete contra who were exa some ditch m party, who were in some ditch somewhere that the moon somewhere thinking that the moon is made of cheese and they're not themselves. not here to defend themselves. no, but but no, i recognise that. but but obviously not net zero. obviously they're not net zero. and basically what are and that's basically what are they yes. they completely they not. yes. they completely rejecting. so this is why it's

such issue come the such a big issue come the election. mr sunak is election. and mr sunak is sitting a fence getting sitting on a fence getting splinters two faced. have splinters two faced. we'll have a rosebank uh vote tonight that i'm sure he'll be voting for, about renewing oil licenses. that's right. so he can't say i'm following net zero. and at the same time, vote essentially against um, that's not the against it. um, that's not the way. which is why he's going to be laughed out of time come the election. >> one of the reasons, jim dale, we're out of time, i'm afraid. but you're welcome but thank you. you're welcome for time. for your time. >> plug. whether >> plug, plug. whether or not. >> plug, plug. whether or not. >> still to come, >> okay. well, still to come, boy band tour. >> okay. well, still to come, boy band tour . that's what the boy band tour. that's what the covid has compared covid inquiry has been compared to around britain, to as it travels around britain, costing the taxpayer £200,000 a day. that much more after your morning news with sophia . morning news with sophia. >> thank you. early. it's 1132. >> thank you. early. it's1132. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. more than a million people have signed a petition demanding for the post office to boss be stripped of her cbe .

boss be stripped of her cbe. paula vennells was in charge and routinely denied there were problems with the horizon it system, which made it look like money was missing from shops . money was missing from shops. hundreds of were convicted hundreds of staff were convicted , jailed, bankrupted and some took their lives after they were wrongly accused of theft. the government is now looking at ways to exonerate those who are caught up in scandal, with caught up in the scandal, with the justice secretary and post office minister meeting today. meanwhile, virgin boss richard branson has gifted necker branson has gifted a necker island holiday one of the island holiday to one of the post victims, bates . post office victims, alan bates. freezing conditions are set to hit the uk, with some areas still trying to recover from floods and amber cold. health alert has been issued for parts of england with sleet and snow forecast. the met office has also issued yellow warnings for ice, with the cold snap set to continue through throughout the week . more than continue through throughout the week. more than . continue through throughout the week . more than . 160 flood week. more than. 160 flood warnings remain in place across the country, and over 1800 properties have been damaged after meeting with flooding victims in oxford yesterday, rishi sunak tried to defend his

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&co & co weeknights from six. >> 1138 you're with britain's newsroom and gb news with andrew pierce and the lovely ellie costello. >> thanks, andrew. you're lovely too. now, ministers are meeting too. now, ministers are meeting to in to consider measures in declaring hundreds declaring the names of hundreds of and mistresses of subpostmasters and mistresses convicted in the post office. horizon scandal. >> well , gb horizon scandal. >> well, gb news political correspondent olivia utley joins us now. olivia, this is an issue. the prime minister clearly wants to get sorted. he's seen how much how outraged frankly, people are now. they've tuned into this extraordinary itv drama , mr bates, versus the itv drama, mr bates, versus the post office . post office. >> well, absolutely. the public is outraged. a million people have now signed a petition to get paula vennells, who was the ceo of the post office between 2012 and 2019, stripped of her cbe. that just shows the scale

of public fury at this scandal. all 700 postmasters were given wrongful criminal convictions . wrongful criminal convictions. 93 have now been overturned and but obviously the remaining 607 and their families are furious about what they see as a drawn out snail's pace process to get them cleared . now, alex chalk, them cleared. now, alex chalk, them cleared. now, alex chalk, the justice secretary, is considering various different measures to speed up this process. one one option, which david davis, the conservative mp, has called for, is to have a mass clearing of all of those criminal convictions . so just criminal convictions. so just see them all all overturned at the same time. david davis argues that in these circumstances that option, which is pretty much unprecedented , is pretty much unprecedented, would be justifiable because all of those convictions were based on the single, uh, i idea that that that the postmasters couldn't access. couldn't the

postmasters accounts couldn't be remotely accessed. it turns out that they could be remotely accessed. and so david davis argues that all of those convictions are now unsafe and should be immediately overturned. that's one option. another option would be to take the post office out of the appeals process . at the moment, appeals process. at the moment, the post office can act as a prosecutor, and that is what it did in those 700 cases. it is also part of the appeals process . and postmasters argue that's why the process has all been so slow. and actually 54 appeals have been rejected and the convictions have been upheld, or else people have had to bow out at the last minute because the process has been so difficult and time consuming. so one opfion and time consuming. so one option is to take the post office out of the process altogether and put the crown prosecution service in in its place. that's a bit more laborious than clearing laborious than simply clearing all the convictions as a whole, because obviously the crown prosecution service has lots of other cases on its hands, but

those are the sort of measures that ministers are now considering really, really radical measures to get this process sped up as quickly as possible. and there are plenty of mps out there, some of whom were were speaking out very loudly for the postmasters dunng loudly for the postmasters during this crisis who say that it shouldn't have had to get to an itv drama before the government took this seriously . government took this seriously. >> yeah, i think many people would agree with that. olivia utley there for us in in westminster and we're joined again by emma woolf at the writer and journalist and matthew former labour matthew laws, the former labour adviser our panel. this adviser on our panel. this morning. good to see you both. um what do you of all of um what do you make of all of this? do you think need to this? do you think we need to see solution , not only see a mass solution, not only exonerating these wrongly see a mass solution, not only exonerat postmasters, ngly see a mass solution, not only exonerat postmasters, but' accused postmasters, but compensating them as well? absolutely. compensating them as well? abswell,.y. who got >> well, those who got compensation the compensation so far, the average, a average, i believe, is half a million. is going to be million. so this is going to be a very big bill for the government when it's finally sorted why the sorted out. but why the government? >> not? >> why not? >> why not? >> absolutely. mean, >> fujitsu. absolutely. i mean, i if it isn't possible for i mean, if it isn't possible for the government, for post office to sue fujitsu, basically , then

to sue fujitsu, basically, then we to have a very we need to have a very long, hard how these hard look at what how these government contracts are written, was written, because clearly it was the with the computer the problem with the computer system, who made the system, the people who made the computer is computer system, which is fujitsu, to fujitsu, ultimately need to be held . held responsible. >> were talking to kevin >> and we were talking to kevin jones, telling jones, a labour mp who telling us six there was us that in 2005 six there was a pilot at sorry, 1995 96, a pilot , which threw up some of these problems and postmasters were were prosecuted even right at the beginning. >> so they had a pilot to see if there were problems. problems came and rather than solve came up and rather than solve the problem it, blamed the problem with it, they blamed the problem with it, they blamed the postmasters and mistresses. so it was i mean, it is absolutely out rageous what i think there is just to say with kevin and as he was saying, work cross—party, there are people it shows mps who keep shows that good mps who keep going and let go of an going and don't let go of an issue across party are really do us proud . so you know, you know, us proud. so you know, you know, as opposed to ed who just as opposed to ed davey who just didn't didn't bother didn't bother, he didn't bother to questions, didn't bother. >> yeah. couldn't be >> yeah. just couldn't be bothered because small bothered because he's a small folk matter . so folk and they don't matter. so i think we need we need we need a mass clearing of these mass sort of clearing of these wrongful convictions because it's you it's very, very clear that, you

know, and know, they're unsafe and extremely distressing for those small , as i say. small folk, as i say. >> and they and, and they had to go through such to become go through such hoops to become a postmistress. a postmaster, postmistress. it's not easy. all of tests not easy. all sorts of tests about your honesty and integrity. >> and they just weren't deemed important enough anyone important enough for anyone to listen something listen to them saying something is wrong here. is very wrong here. >> it didn't occur to ed >> and it didn't occur to ed davey, meant to davey, who's apparently meant to be clever that 735 people be very clever, that 735 people being prosecuted all at the same time the same offence , uh, time for the same offence, uh, there possibly be a there could possibly be a problem with the equipment completely out of with completely out of line with everything happened previously. >> i mean, it just makes me think we need more think that we need more journalists parliament, journalists in parliament, because at least journalists ask a questions. do, um, a lot of questions. we do, um, you michael you know, well, and michael kill has success has been an outstanding success as a journalist in parliament, hasn't he, matthew? well, i think michael, i think is one of the better. i'm a big fan. the cabinet is i would say that, you know, i'm not i'll give credit where i think where it's due. and i think that's because the whole that's partly because the whole thing being you thing about being an mp, you should questions should just be asking questions and that's and challenging power. that's what you're there for. yeah. you're to pushing back at you're there to pushing back at the service.

you're there to pushing back at the want'ice. you're there to pushing back at the want ae. you're there to pushing back at the want a quiet life across detail. >> i think you need to be a detailed person. of course you need brush if you're need to be broad brush if you're going be the minister going to be the prime minister or it was always or whatever. but it was always that detail that know that lack of detail that i know attention detail attention to detail that absolutely boris absolutely brought down boris johnson. was. johnson. really? sure. it was. yeah. never really. johnson. really? sure. it was. yeaand ever really. johnson. really? sure. it was. yeaand whateally. johnson. really? sure. it was. yeaand whateallyou think of >> and what do you think of paula in all of paula vennells role in all of this? she be stripped of this? should she be stripped of her she hand it back her cbe? should she hand it back herself? perhaps if only people had some integrity, if only they had some integrity, if only they had courage to you had the courage to say, do you know what? >> i have discredited this system, but i mean, of system, but i mean, for many of us, we feel that us, i think we feel that the honour system is completely discredited again. mean, discredited yet again. i mean, you baroness you have you have baroness mone, you have vennells. more vennells. i mean, how many more of these? she got this in 2019 when hundreds of people had been prosecuted. >> some had gone to prison, some had already taken their own lives. for lives. and she got it for services the post office. services to the post office. >> yes. it's not even like it was. i mean, sometimes there charitable services. absolutely so, there's an online so, i mean, there's an online poll one of the papers poll today in one of the papers and i'm amazed 3% people and i'm amazed that 3% of people have should keep have voted that she should keep it. she's an it. do you know, she's an ordained got ordained she's obviously got a large exactly. an large family. exactly. she's an ordained england

ordained church of england minister. she had minister. and the church she had to from the church. so to resign from the church. so because said no because the church said no thanks. i think, you thanks. yeah. so i think, you know, she some moral know, she has some moral compass and hand back and she should hand it back totally. matthew, you want to >> now, matthew, you want to stay you because you were a stay with you because you were a very, close friend with very, very close friend with derek so sadly derek draper, who so very sadly passed away. >> absolutely . and think, >> absolutely. and i think, um, over weekend , aslef over the weekend, aslef announced on friday. and over the it's really the weekend, it's really hitting. there was an amazing piece times piece in the sunday times by decca he'd decca aitkenhead. he'd known derek , which afraid derek since, which i'm afraid i could, you burst into could, you know, burst into tears reading because could, you know, burst into te gave reading because could, you know, burst into te gave the reading because could, you know, burst into te gave the real ing because could, you know, burst into te gave the real portraitzcause could, you know, burst into te gave the real portrait of use it gave the real portrait of derek, a derek, which was he was a character, to put it mildly. he was no saint, but he was an absolute of absolute incredible force of nature. morning, kate. nature. and this morning, kate. kate garraway has done a video message which good morning britain just britain have played, just thanking inundated thanking the absolute inundated with has been with support has been overwhelmed and i that's overwhelmed and i know that's meant awful lot to kate as meant an awful lot to kate as she sorts, you know, starts to pick the this weekend. pick up the pieces this weekend. i speaking i mean, i was speaking to gloria de of gb news, who de piero, who of gb news, who was brought them together, who introduced she introduced them. she did. >> that she was >> she didn't know that she was a mp. a labour mp. >> of course. yeah, absolutely. and gloria, um, has been with k

and sorting out the practicals this weekend. and i know that those messages of support have just mean so much to kate when you , tell a bit you said, um, uh, tell us a bit more him because i was on more about him because i was on good morning today, good morning britain today, and i was i said, look, when he was working mandelson , working with peter mandelson, who architect of new who was an architect of new laboun who was an architect of new labour, was times. labour, i was on the times. >> i a very young trustee, >> i was a very young trustee, and made first time and that made me the first time i you. i met you. >> andrew. >> andrew. >> andrew. >> and i said, it's fair to say i had some run ins with derek draper. it's fair to say they didn't end amicably, but didn't always end amicably, but whatever say it, whatever you say about it, he was clever and very, very was tough, clever and very, very clever. god, it. clever. but by god, he knew it. yeah, i mean, he did know it. >> i mean, he became the george best, as i like to say, the george of new labour. george best of new labour. it slightly head in slightly went to his head in those heady days 97. um, those heady days of 97. yeah um, which himself into which when he got himself into trouble. that, when trouble. but before that, when i first met derek was before that. it was when john it was before was when john smith leader of the smith was still leader of the party. i remember being taken along he along the corridor when he worked peter mandelson, worked for peter mandelson, introduced brown for introduced to gordon brown for the 18 and the first time. i was 18 and gordon brown went any friend gordon brown went or any friend of a friend mine. of derek's is a friend of mine. yeah, i'm not sure that. yeah, i'm not sure he said that. um, months later, when um, uh, six months later, when the battle happened,

the leadership battle happened, um, leadership um, uh, with the leadership discussions um, uh, with the leadership discusabout which one would stand them about which one would stand between tony and gordon, but the thing about derek that he thing about derek is, is that he really new really was central to the new labour because he labour project, because he routed tony, who routed people like tony, who obviously was quite a posh boy. he's a boy in a kind he's quite a posh boy in a kind of class labour project. of working class labour project. don't the young socialists. don't join the young socialists. when 15, know, um , when he was 15, you know, um, and absolutely rooted in and was absolutely rooted in lancashire was absolutely lancashire and was absolutely rooted detail of the rooted in the detail of the labour party. and that's what he that's what he i mean, that's what he brought. i mean, i the clause i remember we wrote the clause for get rid of for a campaign to get rid of clause and derek's clause four and derek's flat. um, this the thing committing um, this is the thing committing laboun labour, committing nationalisation, got nationalisation, which tony got rid we actually rid of. and how do we actually get through the party? get it through the party? that's what was crucial. so just get it through the party? that's wha thing was crucial. so just get it through the party? that's wha thing i was crucial. so just get it through the party? that's wha thing i noticed, :ial. so just get it through the party? that's wha thing i noticed, which just get it through the party? that's wha thing i noticed, which is|st get it through the party? that's wha thing i noticed, which is in one thing i noticed, which is in the i mean, some the obituaries, is i mean, some of you know, kate of them said, you know, kate garraway's husband, you know, has was things has died and he was many things and very proud of being and he was very proud of being kate husband. kate garraway's husband. but he i have that i think you wouldn't have that with a woman now. you wouldn't say just somebody's with a woman now. you wouldn't say he just somebody's with a woman now. you wouldn't say he somebodyzbody's with a woman now. you wouldn't say he somebodyzbohis; wife. he was somebody in his own. so i thought own. absolutely. so i thought the best one was summed him up as turned as new labour maverick turned psychotherapist and kate garraway's psychotherapist and kate garra'pillars psychotherapist and kate garra' pillars life. three pillars of his life. >> interesting to hear

>> it's so interesting to hear the other side of it, because i have admit didn't really have to admit i didn't really know him until, well, know much about him until, well, until the pandemic, and he became desperately became so desperately ill. and then some reason, then he was for some reason, kate derek were in daily kate and derek were in the daily mail much day with mail pretty much every day with the his illness the latest update on his illness and of that. they seemed to and all of that. they seemed to take cause. but it's so take on that cause. but it's so interesting that interesting to hear about that interesting to hear about that in the early in the heady in the in the early in the heady days, you the heady days days, as you say, the heady days of new labour oh, of the new labour project. oh, he was huge. >> peter manson, he was >> and peter manson, he was peter right a peter manson's right arm, a playboy all stuff. playboy, all that stuff. >> became playboy. i mean, >> he became a playboy. i mean, he this kind working he was this kind of working class. when derek, class. i remember when derek, when met derek, he when i first met derek, he wouldn't travelcard wouldn't have a travelcard which included it was included the tube because it was too expensive. we'd only have a bus kept his bus pass because he kept his working class roots. how times changed then ended changed him. and then he ended up, look online, up, um, if you look online, there's clips of him in there's these clips of him in there's these clips of him in the open top mercedes, um, driving around, driving driving around, uh, driving around 97, around westminster in 97, 98. i mean, know, some of the mean, you know, some of the anecdotes i wouldn't i wouldn't say on, on, on television , but, say on, on, on television, but, you he really was a force you know, he really was a force of nature. and i'm glad that he's, say, i think that he's, as you say, i think that the covid recovery, mean, the covid recovery, i mean, obviously dealing obviously he's dealing with covid much people covid meant so much to people because one the most

because he's one of the most high person in those high profile person in those very people, as very early days. and people, as you progress. you say, followed his progress. but i'm that his role in but i'm glad that his role in creating been creating new labour has been remembered. creating new labour has been renandered. creating new labour has been renand ofad. creating new labour has been renand of course, our thoughts >> and of course, our thoughts are with kate garraway and the entire morning entire family this morning saying thinking saying we're all thinking about. oh, lovely. um, oh, that's really lovely. um, emma, let's go over to you now, shall we? and this is a joey barton. horrible man. uh yes. a rant on twitter. let's, let's say his claimed some women in football have slept their way to the top. >> well, this has rumbling >> well, this has been rumbling on few days. on now for a few days. >> was a footballer who then >> he was a footballer who then became a football manager, footballer who became football footballer who became a football manager recently , in the manager and has recently, in the last days has launched. last few days has been launched. >> of bizarre tirade >> this sort of bizarre tirade against women in football in general. but women commentator was, um, it's now morphed into this very, very weird thing. this morning he's been ranting about grandfather about his great grandfather being the being gassed in the being in the being gassed in the first world war in ypres in 1915, and the latest on twitter. he says he thinks he's a freedom fighter for everything in general. basically, he says, i'm a week into the new year and

i've got all of you. the woke, the race hustlers, the gender hustlers, covid hustlers on hustlers, the covid hustlers on effing effing effing toast. you are all effing imbeciles. he's talking about women sleeping their way to the top. he's singing about female pundits, not up to the job. he seems to be just sort of spray gun. this >> i think there's something wrong, isn't there? because i mean, quoting saying i'm doing this my grandfather. mean, this for my grandfather. i mean, i think your grandfather i don't think your grandfather died so that you died for, uh, no. so that you could criticise female football commentators. i mean, it's pretty offensive, the whole world. whole world. he's saying the whole world. he's saying the whole world. yeah. >> his point women, >> and his point about women, women. think women >> and his point about women, worcapable think women >> and his point about women, worcapable tiask women >> and his point about women, worcapable tias good 1en >> and his point about women, worcapable tias good as| are capable of being as good as men, commentating on men, as commentating on football, it's a mainly football, because it's a mainly it to be a male sport. it used to be a male sport. >> i think there's a place for a discussion about about women and whether women high profile whether women in high profile positions sport have to look positions in sport have to look great. you i there great. you know, i think there are lots of things to explore. there but the way that joey barton to and barton has done this to and attack commentators and attack specific commentators and aluko and lucy ward, he's been comparing them to serial killers. what what i know, i mean, it's struggled to make

sense of rose west. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> rose west. >> rose west. >> well, yes, yes, i find you that west . he caused a storm that west. he caused a storm over the weekend after he compared two pundits as any aluko and lucy ward to serial killers fred and rose west. this was on friday. be charitable. >> perhaps he'd been drinking, but even if you've been drinking, how possibly drinking, how could you possibly make that? >> yeah, if you've >> yeah, and if you've been drinking, don't tweet. that's always been my rule. >> even sense, does it? >> difficult to know what >> it's difficult to know what he's achieve, what he's trying to achieve, what he's trying to achieve, what he's from this. >> well, reason i read out >> well, the reason i read out that tweet is because think that tweet is because i think he's getting he's getting he's getting very he's getting the all the rage, and the fuel from all the rage, and he's feels he's he's he's now feels that he's he's taking the country. taking he's saving the country. i mean, yeah, he's saying i mean, he's he's suggested mean, he's he's even suggested that up in court. that this could end up in court. >> mean, he's saying i'm >> i mean, if he's saying i'm reading these defamatory reading all of these defamatory tweets what tweets about me, this is what he's yesterday in he's tweeting yesterday up in court. yeah . court. yeah yeah, yeah. >> in dark. yeah. >> in the dark. yeah. >> in the dark. yeah. >> but saying i've got deep >> but he's saying i've got deep pockets, bring on. pockets, bring it on. >> to, to suggest that >> but also to, to suggest that with evidence whatsoever that with no evidence whatsoever that some got some of these women who've got these jobs football have these big jobs in football have slept way to the to slept their way to the top, to the hugely offensive, isn't >> it's hugely offensive, isn't

it? something from it? it's, it's something from something mid 70s. and something from the mid 70s. and yeah, thought these attitudes yeah, i thought these attitudes had died. and clearly they haven't. i joey haven't. they're i mean joey barton's living living barton's the living living continuation of what thought continuation of what we thought of chauvinism . we thought of male chauvinism. we thought we'd least at least in we'd gone at least at least in public. >> well , he says he's got plenty >> well, he says he's got plenty to back with in this to fight back with in this latest rant. and he's also said he's got deep pockets . so he's got deep pockets. so yeah, he's got deep pockets. so yeah, he might willing to pay he he might be willing to pay for, by the way, i don't know. >> so our wonderful producer dean has filled in. dean has filled me in. >> man city >> he was man city qpr, marseille back to qpr. >> yeah. recently >> yeah. most recently apparently you look like an holac manager holac football. the manager of league bristol rovers . wow. >> so it's not as if he played for the manchester united or no. >> and apparently he played for england once. if dean if i got my briefing right. england once. if dean if i got my briefing right . just the ones. >> yeah i think he's more high profile than a than a great you know. yeah. >> more high profile. he's >> he's more high profile. he's what tony banks once said of a tory mp, a gob on a stick. >> he's absolutely, absolutely. but course, he's also done but of course, he's also done himself job because himself out of a job because nobody's going him nobody's going to employ him now

because put on because you couldn't put him on television, never television, because you never know going say. know what he's going to say. could you imagine you're saying some things he's been some of these things he's been tweeting would tweeting on tv, then it would trouble would be had. >> yeah, absolutely bizarre, isn't woolf. and isn't it? uh emma woolf. and matthew really good to matthew laws are really good to see morning. always joy. see this morning. always a joy. >> insights drake. >> insights into derek drake. >> insights into derek drake. >> lovely >> that was really lovely insight. very insight. thank you very much. i'm your loss as i'm very sorry for your loss as well because you were very close friends, since you friends, weren't you, since you were years old? believe. were 18 years old? i believe. ah, well, i'd that inherent hope. i've got some hope. >> i've still got some hope. well, your hair well, i you lost your hair because was labour for so because she was labour for so long. andrew. cruel long. oh, andrew. cruel >> you for having long. oh, andrew. cruel >> andrew. you for having long. oh, andrew. cruel >> andrew. this)u for having long. oh, andrew. cruel >> andrew. this is for having long. oh, andrew. cruel >> andrew. this is itr having long. oh, andrew. cruel >> andrew. this is it from ng me, andrew. this is it from britain's newsroom. i'm sure i will. next is good will. thank you. up next is good afternoon, with tom and dawn. >> see you tomorrow. >> see you tomorrow. >> a crucial afternoon in the post scandal . could mass post office scandal. could mass exonerations take place after a crucial meeting with the justice minister this afternoon ? minister this afternoon? >> and it's going to get very, very cold. the floods were nothing. it is going to be minus five. and that's in the centre of london. >> looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on gb news .

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>> good afternoon britain. it's 12:00 on monday, the 8th of january. postmark easter payout. >> one of the most significant miscarriage of justice in british history could be coming to a head today as the justice secretary looks at measures to clear all victims of the post office scandal. around 700 postmasters were wrongly convicted of fraud due to a computer system . we'll speak to computer system. we'll speak to one of those victims . one of those victims. >> knife crime carnage ban the sales of zombie knives and machetes. now a plea from idris elba as knife crime soars across the country , the movie star the country, the movie star takes his message to westminster

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