gb news. >> good evening with gb news. the top story this hour. the post office minister says securing justice for victims of the horizon it scandal and making sure such a tragedy never happens again is his highest priority at the time. the former post office boss, paula vennells, denied there were problems with the horizon. it system, which showed money was missing from post office branches at reckoning up time. each day implies theft as a result , each day implies theft as a result, hundreds of each day implies theft as a result , hundreds of postmasters result, hundreds of postmasters and mistresses were convicted, jailed , bankrupted, some even jailed, bankrupted, some even took their own lives. well now there are calls for mrs.

vennells to be stripped of her cbe and td kevin hollinrake has said this evening it's perfectly reasonable for people to suggest that an idea also supported by the prime minister, mr hollinrake, said he'll update mps about the government's plan to help those affected by the end of this week . the offshore end of this week. the offshore petroleum licensing bill will return to the commons within the next two weeks. the government's deputy chief whip announced in the commons the second reading wouldn't take place this evening . after all, if in the end it does pass the legislation will be licences for be mandating that licences for oil and gas projects in the nonh oil and gas projects in the north sea should be awarded annually . north sea should be awarded annually. it's north sea should be awarded annually . it's already north sea should be awarded annually. it's already led to the resignation of one tory mp, chris skidmore , who says the law chris skidmore, who says the law would show the uk is rowing ever further back from its climate commitments . lots of snow and commitments. lots of snow and sleet showers on the way this evening across the uk, with ice warnings issued for southern england and wales. the met office saying there's a yellow alert effective until tomorrow

morning. also an amber cold health alert has been issued by the government for parts of england that triggers responses to help older people or those with cardiovascular or respiratory conditions, and the cold snap is set to continue for the rest of this week . sir keir the rest of this week. sir keir starmer visited flood hit areas of the east midlands today, promising that a labour government would do more to protect people's homes. it's after the labour government. labour accused the government of being asleep at the wheel over flood warnings, of which 160 remain in place after thousands of homes were flooded. rishi sunak says the government has invested £5.2 billion in flood defences , is now in the united defences, is now in the united states. united airlines has confirmed that it's found loose bolts during inspections of its boeing 737 max nine fleet. that's the same aircraft that forced alaska airlines to make an emergency landing after its door blew out . airlines across

door blew out. airlines across the globe have grounded their max nine fleets in the wake of that incident. the door, which blew off the alaska airlines plane mid—flight , was found in plane mid—flight, was found in a residential back garden. today, united airlines won't confirm how many of its planes had loose bolts . now, two sporting legends bolts. now, two sporting legends passed away today. former wales and british and irish lions full back jpr williams died at the age of 74. he won 55 caps for wales and his former club bridgend made the announcement saying bridgend ravens would devastate to announce the passing of jpr williams, one of bridgend's most decorated players and an icon of world rugby. former england captain will carling said he was really sorry to hear about the death of one of his heroes when he was growing up. what a hero, he said. what a warrior and tributes have also been paid tonight to the german football legend franz beckenbauer , who's

legend franz beckenbauer, who's died at the age of 78. bayern and germany striker thomas muller called him one of the greatest footballers in the club's history. beckenbauer to captain germany to world cup victory in 1974, then won the tournament again as manager in 1990. he was nicknamed the kaiser and he helped guide bayern munich to three successive european cups. his family say he died peacefully in his sleep . remembering jpr his sleep. remembering jpr williams and franz beckenbauer, both who died today , you're with both who died today, you're with gb news across the uk on tv, in your car on digital radio and on your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> hello and welcome to the headliners. >> i'm nick dixon, taking you through tomorrow's top stories for the next hour with the help of cressida wetton, who is still trying to reach dry land, and

bruce devlin, who's an economic migrant from north of the wall. >> so how are you.7 >> so how are you? >> but those were the toned down jokes. >> that was the nicest ones i could think of. >> the sanitised ones . >> the sanitised ones. >> the sanitised ones. >> should read some of the >> you should read some of the ones about nick, ones we write about you, nick, ones we write about you, nick, on time. how dare you? on our own time. how dare you? >> how are you, bruce? you're looking angrily. i'm not. looking at me angrily. i'm not. >> looking at you. >> i'm just looking at you. >> i'm just looking at you. >> bruce face? >> is that resting bruce face? >> is that resting bruce face? >> just looking at you. >> no, i'm just looking at you. >> no, i'm just looking at you. >> you'll know when you've got resting good. >> you'll know when you've got resting hostile start to the >> nice hostile start to the show . they just said my ear, show. they just said in my ear, make funny. but instead we've make it funny. but instead we've made weird. anyway, let's made it weird. but anyway, let's have at tuesday's have a quick look at tuesday's front so daily mail front pages. so the daily mail has this. we're not has shamed this. we're not actually one. the actually covering that one. the telegraph 4 in telegraph has channel 4 in diversity over white bosses. diversity row over white bosses. we're covering we're definitely covering that one.the we're definitely covering that one. the fast appeals for one. the times fast appeals for wrongly convicted postmasters . wrongly convicted postmasters. the guardian scrambled to clear victims of post fraud victims of post office fraud scandal . the i post office scandal. the i post office scandal. the i post office scandal firm fujitsu gets major uk government contract and the daily star . uk government contract and the daily star. there's klingons on the starboard bow , starboard the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow . and those bow, starboard bow. and those were the headlines . so let's

were the headlines. so let's kick off with the guardian. cressida. okay >> um, so they've got scramble to clear victims of post office fraud scandal. um, so this has obviously been going on for 20 years. no rush. guys um, i think it's 700 people from the post office, uh, wrongly accused and then, uh, convicted of stealing money that they didn't steal because of a software issue . and because of a software issue. and there's now this sort of sudden mad scramble because of the, the drama that came out about it on new year's day. uh, and those new year's day. uh, and to those of us that don't understand, you know, ins and outs the know, the ins and outs of the law, think, isn't that law, you think, well, isn't that the it? aren't they all the end of it? aren't they all just innocent? that's that? just innocent? and that's that? but not that at all. but it's not like that at all. it ministers up it says ministers have drawn up urgent the names urgent plans to clear the names of of subpostmaster of hundreds of subpostmaster wrongly convicted and so on. um, so now having talks with so they're now having talks with the senior judiciary to confirm how convictions be how the convictions can be overturned soon possible. overturned as soon as possible. um, it looks like this is um, and it looks like this is this is just going to it's a lot

more complicated than you'd think. >> yes, but not really, is >> yes, but it's not really, is it? >> yes, but it's not really, is h? you >> yes, but it's not really, is it? you it should be it? as you say, it should be open shut and it's taken a open and shut and it's taken a ridiculous amount of time. and it's taken rishi sunak it's also taken rishi sunak quite time to really get quite a long time to really get on saying, don't quite a long time to really get on we're saying, don't quite a long time to really get on we're this. iying, don't quite a long time to really get on we're this. we'redon't worry, we're on this. we're speeding compensation speeding up the compensation process. should know speeding up the compensation procezon should know speeding up the compensation procezon we should know speeding up the compensation procezon we want ld know speeding up the compensation procezon we want to know speeding up the compensation procezon we want to make it we're on it. we want to make it right. even right. i'm surprised it even took long because it's took him this long because it's an open goal politically. this took him this long because it's an ostartedal politically. this took him this long because it's an ostarted on olitically. this took him this long because it's an ostarted on the cally. this took him this long because it's an ostarted on the labourhis took him this long because it's an ostarted on the labour ed was started on the labour ed davey the post office davey was the post office affairs time. affairs minister at the time. whatever it's called. you can whatever it's called. so you can attack at the same attack the lib dems at the same time. quite annoying as time. but it's quite annoying as well some of the well as watching some of the people this people talking about this on farage earlier tonight. it's quite annoying that it's farage earlier tonight. it's quite an|oying that it's farage earlier tonight. it's quite an|oyirdrama that it's farage earlier tonight. it's quite an|oyirdrama to that it's farage earlier tonight. it's quite an|oyirdrama to make it's farage earlier tonight. it's quite an|oyirdrama to make this taken an itv drama to make this happen, it was obvious happen, because it was obvious it should happen. andrew bridgen raised him. raised it. everyone ignored him. anyway, up. anyway, i'm getting wound up. what bruce? what do you think bruce? >> with christa. the >> i agree with christa. the length that length of time, considering that people their own lives. >> mean the lives that have >> i mean the lives that have been ruined not only by the people with us people that aren't with us anymore, on effect anymore, but the knock on effect to and it's like to them. and it's like everything will everything lessons will be learned it's learned and inquire. and it's like it's too late. yeah well, you say that i'd still very much like 600 it was coming like 600 grand if it was coming my way, i would. >> no no, no,

>> well no no, no, no, i wouldn't say keep your money. >> mean i'm not saying >> no, i mean i'm not saying don't money, i do don't keep the money, but i do think it's, you know, it's beyond the length of time beyond tardy the length of time that to this that it's taken to get to this stage. and how longer stage. and like, how much longer are to wait are they going to have to wait for the money then? >> i don't know. but at >> well, i don't know. but at least at least now there's this common understanding, isn't there, because there, that, you know, because you of what people you think of what the people went time with went through at the time with people know, small people in their, you know, small communities being out, and communities being spat out, and you these horrible you hear all these horrible things. has things. so i think that part has changed things. so i think that part has chayeah. and they people >> yeah. and they hounded people for you say. they for this money, as you say. they took own lives. we've took their own lives. we've covered it's going covered it a lot, but it's going to running and running to keep running and running because such an awful because it's such an awful story. you to quickly story. do you want to quickly look at this other one, cressida? people cressida? uh, this, uh, people fleeing $10,000 is the fleeing gaza, $10,000 is the going flee horrors of gaza. >> so this is it's basically a story about traffickers. um, it doesn't them doesn't refer to them as traffickers. says traffickers. it says palestinians desperate to leave gaza are paying to gaza are paying bribes to brokers help brokers of up to $10,000 to help them exit through egypt, according to the guardian investigative. it's investigative. ian. um, so it's very similar to the border crossings that we hear about very similar to the border cross france, ll we hear about very similar to the border cross france, isn't hear about very similar to the border cross france, isn't it,ar about very similar to the border cross france, isn't it, that out from france, isn't it, that somebody , somewhere making somebody, somewhere is making a lot of these lot of money out of these people? yeah. so very sad.

shocking >> and actually, the shocking thing the thing is i've agreed with the guardian those guardian on both of those stories. strange stories. so we're in strange times. want do the times. you want to do the telegraph , bruce? telegraph, bruce? >> so this is to do with channel 4, and it's a diversity row over white bosses . white bosses. >> um, the chairman of channel 4 warns appointments failed to meet targets . meet broadcasters own targets. channel 4 launched a protest channel 4 has launched a protest against the appointment of four white directors to its board in a row over ethnic diversity. now lucy frazer, the culture secretary, on monday approved the appointment of five new non—executive directors to join the broadcast board. now we were saying, why is the culture secretary being involved in the hiring ? because i know that hiring? because i know that a pubuc hiring? because i know that a public broadcaster . hiring? because i know that a public broadcaster. nadine dorries, didn't know that , but dorries, didn't know that, but publicly owned, they don't make they make money from advertising but they're publicly owned. yeah. so why then is the culture secretary getting involved? yeah. so why then is the culture secre suppose ing involved? yeah. so why then is the culture secre suppose ing anrlhali'.’ >> i suppose it's for that reason , i imagine, because they reason, i imagine, because they are and you left are publicly owned and you left out the key thing that four of whom were white, that was the

terrible five terrible thing. five non—executive directors, but four crested, which four were white crested, which is were is terrible. they were white. how dare she? >> just i find all of this >> it's just i find all of this so infuriating. i mean, it is just modern version just the modern version of racism, that's all it racism, isn't it? that's all it is. just hate quotas and is. and i just hate quotas and i hate all this drive. if you truly . did it hate all this drive. if you truly. did it all on meritocracy, i think society would be better in in the medium to long terme, if not now. and i just think every time you create a quota where you're saying we don't think certain people can a quota where you're saying we d0|it think certain people can a quota where you're saying we d0|it withoutertain people can a quota where you're saying we d0|it without ourn people can a quota where you're saying we d0|it without ourn perso can do it without our help, so that's . that's infuriating. >> yeah. and it's bad for those people people >> yeah. and it's bad for those people they people >> yeah. and it's bad for those people they only people >> yeah. and it's bad for those people they only got people >> yeah. and it's bad for those people they only got because assume they only got it because of diversity . absolutely. of diversity. absolutely. it's disgusting. from disgusting. this comes from the criticism from ian criticism comes from sir ian cheshire, the chairman of channel was i mean, channel 4, and he was i mean, i looked at him, he looked pretty white. he was born in malaysia , white. he was born in malaysia, but probably just in a sort of posh person way. but i don't know all anything about his life. but i wonder why is he saying there's too many white people? makes me. i'm as people? it just makes me. i'm as angry as you about it, and i think everyone's sick of it. i mean, the targets are that they want 20% staff, ethnic want 20% of staff, ethnic minorities, want 20% of staff, ethnic min general

want 20% of staff, ethnic mingeneral population. it's the general population. it's already many. already it's actually too many. even to go for even if you want to go for perfect so—called equity. but you're merit rac you're right, we had merit rac that working pretty that seemed to be working pretty well for perfect equity. that seemed to be working pretty welthis perfect equity. that seemed to be working pretty welthis perfitt equity. that seemed to be working pretty welthis perfit winds y. that seemed to be working pretty welthis perfit windsy. up so >> this just it winds me up so much. candace was saying much. candace owens was saying the day that in 90s, the other day that in the 90s, if a black actor , she'd if she saw a black actor, she'd think, i guess they're think, oh, i guess they're talented, know? whereas talented, you know? whereas now her thought her first thought is, oh, i wonder they got the was her first thought is, oh, i w obe. yeah i mean, but where do on all these do you stand on these all these quotas? just think it's >> i mean, i just think it's crazy. i think i think the lagging behind public opinion as well, because people well, because i think people like are getting sick like you and me are getting sick of whereas they're still of it, whereas they're still bragging it. oh, need bragging about it. oh, we need further progress. according to sabina nessa, which means fewer white think white people. but i think the country a whole is getting a country as a whole is getting a bit it. i think progress bit sick of it. i think progress

would discussion about would be less discussion about the colour people's skin the colour of people's skin personally, would be nice. the colour of people's skin per right,y, would be nice. the colour of people's skin per right, well, would be nice. the colour of people's skin per right, well, wougo be nice. all right, well, let's go and finish with the finish the section with the star. bruce, this is one. star. bruce, this is a big one. >> yes. so this is to with >> yes. so this is to do with star and to do with star trek. and it's to do with the show creator gene roddenberry ashes on roddenberry and his ashes are on a rocket . um, it's not, a failed rocket. um, it's not, uh, i mean , it's not. uh, i mean, it's not. >> it's not what story? not what an actor would set out to achieve is it? it's not. >> i mean, there's a sort of irony in the star trek ashes. can't get to space. is that what you're saying? >> think. i don't >> no, ijust think. i don't think creatives would begin think any creatives would begin with dream to end up with think any creatives would begin with ashesm to end up with think any creatives would begin with ashes goingend up with think any creatives would begin with ashes going wrong with think any creatives would begin with ashes going wrong inth think any creatives would begin with ashes going wrong in an their ashes going wrong in an explosion in space. maybe they would. >> em- en— >> i don't know, maybe that's what by final what was meant by the final frontier. probably frontier. yeah. probably not. >> not think that >> well, do you not think that that's what would have that's what you would have wanted? i well, i'm not wanted? no no, i well, i'm not i'm not deeply familiar with, with space stories. >> all stars. are you a star trek fan? >> no. don't be silly. i have been known to space star trek or wars because i don't know which one's which. >> if i could bank on one of us being a star trek fan, it would

being a star trek fan, it would be me. >> and i'm not even one either. >> and i'm not even one either. >> i was wondering star wars millennium falcon as a child? >> wars the >> oh, good. yeah, star wars the proper three on a lightsaber. >> oh, and c—3po costume. >> oh, and a c—3po costume. yeah, i'm a star wars person. the star wars you didn't even know landspeeders. it's all coming a side. coming back. got to pick a side. >> like so many things. >> it's like so many things. yeah. mean, did you even went yeah. i mean, did you even went to i watching, to the moon? i was watching, i just that purely to get just bring that up purely to get email don't email complaints. you don't think that went the think that we went to the moon? >> well, i'll say we didn't go. >> well, i'll say we didn't go. >> was watching man the >> i was watching first man the other day. i watched it a second >> i was watching first man the other neil i watched it a second >> i was watching first man the other neil armstrong,t a second >> i was watching first man the other neil armstrong, veryecond time. neil armstrong, very impressive extremely impressive figure. extremely smart, capable. smart, etc. extremely capable. but you go. they went up in these tin back in these little bits of tin back in these little bits of tin back in the they've got this dodgy the 60s. they've got this dodgy film go for film then we just didn't go for ages. just i'm just asking ages. i'm just i'm just asking questions. i'm doing the lewis schaffer part of the show. i don't know, i mean, some people are with it, aren't they? >> musk ea" ea“ eg-— >> mr musk would love us to be up there running creating up there running around creating new sure went. i'm just >> i'm sure we went. i'm just saying that to cover us. all right, section right, that is it for section one. coming guardian

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radio. >> welcome back to headliners i'm still here with christina wetton and bruce devlin . and of wetton and bruce devlin. and of course i'm nick dixon. didn't even say it. no ego. let's get back into it with the mail and today's obligatory sadiq khan does something story. cressida >> mckinstry. why is >> uh, leo mckinstry. why is sadiq khan's surrender to striking tube unions is a warning sign of things to come. if keir starmer wins power, or when, as some of us might assume so, he starts off, uh, the article starts off talking about the 1970s was, um , and on all the 1970s was, um, and on all the 1970s was, um, and on all the terrible strikes, and i wasn't born in the 1970s, but i remember my parents talking about the three day week and rubbish piling up and nothing working, the unions were working, and the unions were taking and margaret taking over and margaret thatcher had to come in and crush them. basically crush them. and basically this think is sort of saying think piece is sort of saying that going happen that that's going to happen again. course, just today that that's going to happen agehad course, just today that that's going to happen agehad a course, just today that that's going to happen agehad a week'erse, just today that that's going to happen agehad a week's worthist today that that's going to happen agehad a week's worth of today that that's going to happen agehad a week's worth of tflay we had a week's worth of tfl strikes off, which would strikes called off, which would have extraordinary have been an extraordinary disruption to our capital city. wouldn't it? a whole week of tfl and course, the reason it got and of course, the reason it got called according to sadiq

called off, according to sadiq khan, is because he's such a good negotiator, you know, and he's about this he's he's bringing about this amazing we amazing sense of peace. but we all because he just all know it's because he just gave load more money. gave them a load more money. >> yes. >> yes. >> and >> yes. » and >> yes. >> and does this money >> and where does this money come this come from? well, where is this money from? money coming from? >> good >> bruce. that's a very good point. and this article is arguing it's from ulez. you arguing that it's from ulez. you know. ulez. know. oh yeah. the dreaded ulez. yes. either the yes. um, but either way, the point that the article is making is going forward, this is is that going forward, this is just is going just going to be this is going to happen more more, right? just going to be this is going to h unionsnore more, right? just going to be this is going to h unions are; more, right? just going to be this is going to h unions are going nore, right? just going to be this is going to h unions are going noigetight? the unions are going to get stronger and stronger. uh, starmer is saying that he's a union rayner, second starmer is saying that he's a uncommand, rayner, second starmer is saying that he's a uncommand, came rayner, second starmer is saying that he's a uncommand, came fromer, second starmer is saying that he's a uncommand, came fromer, stunions in command, came from the unions and very into all this stuff. and is very into all this stuff. doesn't want minimum doesn't even want the minimum service legislation that the conservatives in. conservatives have brought in. so looking bleak. yeah. and so it's looking bleak. yeah. and it's the that's the most annoying possible thing. >> you take money from ulez, >> you you take money from ulez, which hates, to appease which everyone hates, to appease the unions, which most people also as say, it's also hate. and as you say, it's not. they bring the capital to a halt. they mean they bring them to a halt. they destroy the economy with these strikes. i've always thought there should be an then as an essential service and then as soon passes, sadiq soon as that passes, sadiq khan doesn't invoke it. and then angela says when labour

angela rayner says when labour get in, they'll ditch it completely. what completely. this is what baffles me. people who me. like we have people who are saying, they're going saying, oh, they're going to vote labour, even though they're against all labour policies. you know, if you're sort of if you don't every aspect of your don't want every aspect of your life don't life controlled and you don't want running everything, want unions running everything, don't what want unions running everything, d0|you what want unions running everything, d0|you think? what do you think? >> will you be voting labour? >> will you be voting labour? >> my >> absolutely not. no no, my vote because i'm in vote won't matter because i'm in such a labour area that they'll massively bald man that >> who was the bald man that kept screaming about the trains? mick there we go. mick lynch there we go. >> best day >> oh, he's having his best day even >> oh, he's having his best day ever, he's got exactly ever, isn't he? he's got exactly what wants. what he wants. >> i mean yeah, he's just >> yeah i mean yeah, he's just having the of his life. having the time of his life. >> i'm not a fan. i mean, i don't know, i know a lot of people will the argument people will make the argument that fair pay that these people need fair pay and of course they and fair enough. of course they do. does. but most do. everybody does. but in most jobs, happy, jobs, if you're not happy, i mean, you're self—employed mean, if you're self—employed and you're not getting enough money, i've money, you have to say, oh, i've done of business, done the wrong kind of business, you there's just you know? but there's just no imagine job. imagine striking in this job. >> like, lol, oh, 100 >> they'd be like, lol, oh, 100 other replace you, right? other people replace you, right? they'd love it. but for me i am irreplaceable. >> are you? >> but are you? >> but are you? >> well, i'm the host, but the panellists it's less, it's less clear. but unbelievable. >> a host. >> filling in for a host. >> filling in for a host. >> how dare you? i'm of the

>> how dare you? i'm one of the regular hosts. not been regular hosts. have you not been here bruce? no. right. no. here much, bruce? no. right. no. no. struggling >> checked ago. >> i checked out ages ago. not on you to do a drug test. >> you need to do a drug test. like. like elon musk. we'll do that no. okay that later. no. okay >> i feel like sadiq khan in between the. between the unions and the. >> you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> okay, we'll move on. but i hope susan hall can. hope hope susan hall can. i hope someone challenge someone can challenge khan because there forever. because he's just there forever. he's we can't get he's like a tsar. we can't get rid of this guy. an rid of this guy. he's like an ancient king. >> long has he been in power? >> long has he been in power? >> years. >> about 45 years. >> about 45 years. >> i checked. all >> 45 years. i checked. all right, the and is right, let's do the mail. and is it time say fu to fujitsu? bruce >> yes. so why are they still getting whitehall contracts? mps demand fujitsu, the it firm demand that fujitsu, the it firm at the centre of the post office scandal, blocked any new scandal, is blocked from any new deals as it's shown they've been given worth . 6.7 given 200 hundred worth. 6.7 billion over the last decade, including the most recent emergency alert thing that happened. >> that was a huge success, wasn't it? that was a huge success, just a terrible waste of money. >> but that was £5 million. you know what? >> if there was going to be a terrible emergency, the last thing i would want the thing i would want is the government for

government being responsible for telling it. telling me about it. >> true. >> that's true. >> that's true. >> i'd rather just out the >> i'd ratherjust go out in the street hear screams and street and hear the screams and work way from their work your way from their post—apocalyptic nightmare. >> do well. you're >> i think you'd do well. you're quite robust. you the boat. quite robust. you got the boat. you this far . you survived this far. >> do you want to run into the street just to see the carnage, as opposed to getting an alert on my phone that may may not on my phone that may or may not work or say the wrong thing? on my phone that may or may not wori or say the wrong thing? on my phone that may or may not wori just ay the wrong thing? on my phone that may or may not wori just don'te wrong thing? on my phone that may or may not wori just don't trust|g thing? on my phone that may or may not wori just don't trust the|ing? >> i just don't trust the government with the data. >> didn't, it for a lot >> it didn't, did it for a lot of people. >> so these people are >> exactly. so these people are getting they getting contracts that they absolutely but absolutely don't deserve. but they were behind the post office scandal. >> they've f!" >> and yet they've still got 200 pubuc >> and yet they've still got 200 public 6.7 public contracts worth 6.7 billion past decade. billion over the past decade. and people uh, and people like, uh, david davies is saying this is ridiculous. lord arbuthnot ridiculous. and lord arbuthnot has been even more bullish about ridiculous. and lord arbuthnot ha�*why�*n even more bullish about ridiculous. and lord arbuthnot ha�*why�*n e\we more bullish about ridiculous. and lord arbuthnot ha�*why�*n e\we whyz bullish about ridiculous. and lord arbuthnot ha�*why�*n e\we why are llish about ridiculous. and lord arbuthnot ha�*why�*n e\we why are they about it. why are we why are they still mean, well, to fair to >> i mean, well, to be fair to them, if you're midway through a contract this scandals contract and this scandals just broken, okay, that's contract law, you law, isn't it? you know, you can't just immediately halt all the certainly can't just immediately halt all the forward, certainly can't just immediately halt all the forward, cknow,.y can't just immediately halt all the forward, (know, saying going forward, you know, saying things in the future, things like, oh, in the future, you we're going to look you know, we're going to look at, um, we're going to look at you know, we're going to look at, doing e're going to look at you know, we're going to look at, doing thisgoing to look at you know, we're going to look at, doing this or ng to look at you know, we're going to look at, doing this or they'reiok at you know, we're going to look at, doing this or they're even not doing this or they're even talking me talking about this made me laugh. so the postal laugh. uh, so the postal services minister said , uh,

services minister has said, uh, the should definitely the government should definitely look at recouping money from look at recouping the money from fujitsu. you think think fujitsu. do you think think about at it. no, just about it. look at it. no, just do it. >> surely. >> surely. >> do think with regard to >> do you think with regard to the office thing, that the post office thing, that fujitsu be the government fujitsu should be the government should give the compensation. >> well, it's either them or the taxpayer. i don't want to pay for so yes, they for it. no. so yes, they definitely get any for it. no. so yes, they definicontracts. get any more contracts. >> mean, they're a japanese >> i mean, they're a japanese company. this >> i mean, they're a japanese coit pany. this >> i mean, they're a japanese coit was'. this >> i mean, they're a japanese coit was the this >> i mean, they're a japanese coit was the other this >> i mean, they're a japanese coit was the other way this >> i mean, they're a japanese coit was the other way around?his if it was the other way around? i feel like they'd punish us in some way. >> w- some way. >> to generalise, >> well, not to generalise, but you do associate japan with things don't things working well, don't you? >> associate the order >> you associate with the order and sort of strict efficiency. yeah wouldn't, they yeah they wouldn't, they wouldn't with don't wouldn't mess with they don't have go troll. >> is that right? that's a quote from ab fab. okay. >> i don't know where you got that. sounded wise and >> i don't know where you got thcame sounded wise and >> i don't know where you got thcame from nded wise and >> i don't know where you got thcame from aied wise and >> i don't know where you got thcame from a 90s wise and >> i don't know where you got thcame from a 90s sitcom.;e and >> i don't know where you got thcame from a 90s sitcom. let'si it came from a 90s sitcom. let's do the guardian now story do the guardian now with a story about inequality. didn't see that cressida that one coming. cressida they're into that health inequalities caused 1 million early deaths in england in last decade. >> that is serious. >> that is serious. >> i feel a bit bad for my flippant intro now. terrible. >> you're supposed to be a man of the working sorry. >> you're supposed to be a man of moreorking sorry.

>> you're supposed to be a man of more than] sorry. >> you're supposed to be a man of more than 1 sorry. >> you're supposed to be a man of more than 1 million sorry. >> you're supposed to be a man of more than 1 million people in so more than 1 million people in england died prematurely in the decade after 2011, owing to a combination of poverty, austerity and covid, according to the shocking research by one of the uk's leading public health experts. this mostly covers the decade leading up to covid. but i would just say there are some people in the country who might think that some deaths were some of the excess deaths were due experimental medicine . due to an experimental medicine. i'm saying i necessarily i'm not saying i necessarily think but i'm just saying think that, but i'm just saying it doesn't mention here. it doesn't mention it in here. and that know, we like and that is, you know, we like to all views on this channel. >> i have to be balanced and >> i have to be balanced now and say were safe say that the vaccines were safe and effective. they so safe and effective. they were so safe and effective. they were so safe and effective. they were so safe and effective that i didn't and so effective that i didn't take was personal take it. but that was a personal choice. incredibly choice. but they were incredibly safe. choice. but they were incredibly saf> did you not? >> did you not? >> i'm currently >> oh, no. well, i'm currently go it. there was satire i go into it. there was satire i tooki go into it. there was satire i took i took loads of them. go into it. there was satire i too right.k loads of them. go into it. there was satire i too right. multiplef them. go into it. there was satire i too right. multiple boosters. >> right. multiple boosters. >> right. multiple boosters. >> they're safe >> right. multiple boosters. >> effective. they're safe >> right. multiple boosters. >> effective. but they're safe >> right. multiple boosters. >> effective. but your're safe >> right. multiple boosters. >> effective. but you thinkfe and effective. but you think they're drugs. so they're experimental drugs. so we give them sides. we give them both sides. >> just this. one of >> i'm just saying this. one of the notice about this the things i notice about this piece is it piece in the guardian is it doesn't mention the fact that a lot would concerned doesn't mention the fact that a lot that. would concerned doesn't mention the fact that a lot that. so /ould concerned doesn't mention the fact that a lot that. so asld concerned doesn't mention the fact that a lot that. so as you concerned doesn't mention the fact that a lot that. so as you mighterned about that. so as you might expect, it talks a lot more about more deaths about there being more deaths in poorer which i suppose

poorer areas, which i suppose isn't really a surprise, it ? isn't really a surprise, is it? no, as that no, sad as that is. >> something else that >> but something else that they didn't it's didn't mention. yeah, okay. it's definitely that poor definitely a problem that poor people, worse people, you know, have worse health outcomes. they didn't mention surely mention the nhs. now surely that suggests isn't suggests the nhs isn't necessarily doing its job. obviously the obviously it's not the only factor. there might different factor. there might be different lifestyles and so on. but they won't mention the nhs or they'll say is austerity, means say is austerity, which means things enough things aren't given enough money. being the money. one of them being the nhs. we've also seen that nhs. but we've also seen that just money nhs just throwing money at nhs doesn't work. so guardian doesn't work. so the guardian quite can't quite and quite can't quite go there and say nhs needs reform. say maybe the nhs needs reform. that's what i took from it of course. absolutely. >> this thing >> yeah. and i hate this thing where just about where they just talk about funding as if funding all the time as if funding all the time as if funding equals good outcomes. yes, need well, yes, you need reform. well, you know, lessons . so you know, cookery lessons. so you know, cookery lessons. so you know to cook real food . know how to cook real food. those kind initiatives. those kind of initiatives. >> the cookery licence. >> no one it's just my >> well no one it's just my idea. if i were king a day, idea. if i were king for a day, you i get you know, i just i get frustrated when this idea that just money into things automatically. >> no, understand that because >> no, i understand that because particularly like particularly with things like obesity they obesity and poor diet, they always there's lack of always say there's a lack of education. is there education. it's like, is there a lack education? because we lack of education? because we hear this constantly, if you see what i so it just the

what i mean. so is it just the case then, that people either can't afford the and veg can't afford the fruit and veg or just listening ? or they're just not listening? what think? i'm not sure. nick. what are you trying draw ? >> what are you trying to draw? you want to kind of. because we were really right you want to kind of. because we were points. really right you want to kind of. because we were points. i really right you want to kind of. because we were points. i was really right you want to kind of. because we were points. i was trying' right you want to kind of. because we were points. i was trying to ght you want to kind of. because we were points. i was trying to get wing points. i was trying to get you say something like, the you to say something like, the obese are to blame. obese obese are to blame. the obese are what? just are to blame for what? just i don't know, their own outcomes. i don't know, i just don't i don't know, ijust i don't think the, obese think they sadly the, the obese are blame. think they sadly the, the obese are bla may there may be think they sadly the, the obese are blamay there may be to >> there may be there may be to blame being obese. blame for them being obese. >> you should the word >> you should use the word empowered. you should say that they to not they need to be empowered to not be okay. be obese. then it's okay. >> i definitely sympathise on weight it is hard. weight loss though. it is hard. it's incredibly you have weight loss though. it is hard. it"eat:redibly you have weight loss though. it is hard. it"eat notibly you have weight loss though. it is hard. it"eat not enough you have weight loss though. it is hard. it"eat not enough for)u have weight loss though. it is hard. it"eat not enough for like ave weight loss though. it is hard. it"eat not enough for like ages. to eat not enough for like ages. yeah, stone yeah, because i lost a stone last year but no noticed. last year but no one noticed. i did gradually, but it was did it so gradually, but it was very hard to just not very hard to just eat. not enough like, i'm hungry. and enough like, oh, i'm hungry. and then months then that's the case for months and months months. yes but and months and months. yes but you so overweight you were never so overweight that it was a no. >> weren't up >> you weren't taking up two seats on a plane. >> nicest thing of you >> the nicest thing both of you have said me. do have ever said to me. let's do the guardian and idris elba has taken anti taken a controversial anti machete bruce. taken a controversial anti mayes.3 bruce. >> yes. >> yes. >> is it controversial? >> is it controversial? >> no. >> emma emil!!! emm-

>> really? no no no i think he seems the thing that threw me was actor or musician. i didn't know musician. know he was a musician. i thought actor. thought he was just an actor. but he seems to be a very decent man worried about man and he's very worried about youth violence, knife crime, crime includes the immediate banning zombie banning of machetes and zombie knives more funding for banning of machetes and zombie knivesservices,'e funding for banning of machetes and zombie knivesservices, saying ng for banning of machetes and zombie knivesservices, saying the or banning of machetes and zombie knivesservices, saying the time youth services, saying the time for excuses and delays is over. and this is all to do with the recent spate of under 18 people being stabbed to death by under 18 people, which is all quite scary , but not that recent. scary, but not that recent. >> i mean, it's not a new idea, is it? something that for is it? it's something that for years we've been talking about and any better. and it doesn't get any better. it getting. and it doesn't get any better. it but getting. and it doesn't get any better. it but has getting. and it doesn't get any better. it but has seemed to be a >> but there has seemed to be a lot of recently. lot of it recently. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> it's certainly in the >> or it's certainly in the press a lot. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> my here is always i >> my question here is always i mean, i'm not sure anyone needs a right. there's a machete, right. there's not that to hack that many jungle vines to hack back england. gardeners back in england. maybe gardeners can exception, but that can have an exception, but that said weapon? said cressida, is it the weapon? because this always the because this is always the second debate in second amendment debate in america. gun, america. it's not the gun, it's the so is this the answer? >> don't know, i mean, i feel, >> i don't know, i mean, i feel, you know, we say privilege a lot, feel lot, don't we? nowadays? i feel very don't very privileged because i don't feel like this is something that

impacts my life very much. i associate it with young men, um, although necessarily . i although not not necessarily. i know been some young although not not necessarily. i know killed)een some young although not not necessarily. i know killed asn some young although not not necessarily. i know killed as well. |e young although not not necessarily. i know killed as well. um,ung although not not necessarily. i know killed as well. um, but women killed as well. um, but when you around london, when you walk around in london, do safe ? yeah, i do, i do you feel safe? yeah, i do, i know you and have completely know you and i have completely different this. different views of this. >> for many >> you lived on a boat for many years, so your idea about safety is a little bit. a little bit. >> that's not. look, chicken or egg. what do think happened egg. what do you think happened first? tough. bought first? i'm tough. so i bought a boat. near boat. um, we were in near turnpike once, and he said, turnpike lane once, and he said, oh, i better you the oh, i better walk you to the station. i was like, really? station. and i was like, really? >> a gentleman. >> like a like a gentleman. >> like a like a gentleman. >> thinks, no, he thinks >> he thinks, no, he thinks you're gonna get out with a blacked you you fell out a taxi. >> and you you fell out a taxi. not to be helped. >> different people. different. >> anyway. quite vodka crime is a different matter. no, but, um, what was the question? do i think it's the weapon? i don't know, because may that know, because it may be that machetes kind of machetes have some kind of state. idea. what state. i have no idea. what would. would make you buy would. what would make you buy a machete? but of yes, you machete? but of course, yes, you could hurt somebody with a kitchen fair kitchen knife. that's a fair point. isn't more that if point. but isn't it more that if you're with knife, you're going out with a knife, that's got to be that's that's that's got to be like symptom of deeper like a symptom of deeper problems, it. lack of problems, hasn't it. lack of good going on.

good stuff going on. >> yeah. we've got as i say we've got loads for society. we've got multiculturalism, lots of people not communicating with each poor each other. we've got poor education. we have lack of education. we have a lack of deterrence. people don't take deterrence. so people don't take it seriously. lack police it seriously. lack of police on the streets, gang culture. there's you there's any number of things you could cite. that's why i wonder, there's any number of things you coulknow, that's why i wonder, there's any number of things you coulknow, they're why i wonder, there's any number of things you coulknow, they're talking onder, there's any number of things you coulknow, they're talking about you know, they're talking about legislation. it is a problem. i mean, apparently the sale of zombie largely banned zombie knives was largely banned in 2016 with the threat of prison they're prison time, but they're still legal loopholes that haven't been yeah, the arrogance >> so, yeah, the arrogance of it. if government it. like as if the government like, oh, we're going to make a really good law then it'll really good law and then it'll all and it's like, no, all go away. and it's like, no, it's this massive cultural problem. >> do think problem. » do >> but do you think that the people going around people that are going around with the knives and the machetes, status thing machetes, that's a status thing for they can get for them that's so they can get respect or i just respect from peers or i just feel lady feel like a middle aged lady commenting something. commenting on something. >> do you >> i know nothing, but do you know i think idris elba know what i think idris elba even discussing machetes. >> and just >> it's just so insane and just terrible. on. sorry. terrible. go on. sorry. >> he's a i think he's >> i think he's a i think he's got a great, um, attitude. and he's he's likeable and he he's he's very likeable and he strikes good strikes me as a as a good person. it's not like when you have uh, khan mate have the sadiq uh, khan mate campaign you which campaign on, you know, which

just wasn't the tone that just wasn't um, the tone of that was tone deaf. just wasn't um, the tone of that wasthe tone deaf. just wasn't um, the tone of that wasthe mate, deaf. just wasn't um, the tone of that wasthe mate, the 1. just wasn't um, the tone of that wasthe mate, the thing about. >> the mate, the thing about. >> the mate, the thing about. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> you your mate being >> if you hear your mate being misogynistic, supposed >> if you hear your mate being mi�*mate. stic, supposed >> if you hear your mate being mi�*mate. and supposed >> if you hear your mate being mi�*mate. and it supposed >> if you hear your mate being mi�*mate. and it was supposed >> if you hear your mate being mi�*mate. and it was just osed >> if you hear your mate being mi�*mate. and it was just naff go mate. and it was just naff and cringe. but i would say idris make me cringe. >> people might respect >> people might actually respect idris he's a cool >> yes, he's a cool guy. >> that's all we got time >> okay, that's all we got time for part two. but coming up for in part two. but coming up is elon musk drugs. is elon musk on drugs. speculation about swift's speculation about taylor swift's sexuality, forgive sexuality, and does god forgive lesbians?

radio. >> welcome back to headliners. let's get into it with the times and elon musk dismisses claims that drug use is causing alarm at tesla. does that mean it isn't happening that it is? isn't happening or that it is? but with it. but he's cool with it. >> i don't know. he might but he's cool with it. >> so i don't know. he might but he's cool with it. >> so i dit.�*t know. he might but he's cool with it. >> so i dit. henow. he might but he's cool with it. >> so i dit. he doesn't might but he's cool with it. >> so i dit. he doesn't know: be so out of it. he doesn't know what he's saying, but i have no information as to whether he does. musk, elon musk's does. elon musk, elon musk's lawyer, has failed lawyer, said he has never failed a test. to do with the a drug test. it's to do with the wall street journal publishing stories that was on stories, um, that he was on drugs, at work and all this kind of stuff, you know, causing concern to his boards of various

companies. apparently ketamine was his drug of choice , was his drug of choice, according to the wall street journal, which i think is odd because that's a horse tranquilliser. however, he's done everything from ecstasy to magic mushrooms, cocaine , lsd, magic mushrooms, cocaine, lsd, various mind altering substances. according to the wall street journal, which of course, he has put out an ex post saying that tmz has vastly higher standards than the wall street journal, meaning kind of celebrity gossip forum. >> he's very saying he's >> so he's very much saying he's saying it's rubbish. yes. basically and i, i for one believe him because as you say, he's these drug tests, he's had these drug tests, partly he had that partly because he had that doobie on the rogan podcast, doobie on the joe rogan podcast, which had some impact his which had some impact on his share now he has to do share price. so now he has to do drug tests, but clean. he drug tests, but he's clean. he says he doesn't enjoy, he doesn't really like doing illegal drugs, which is handy when about eight when you've got about eight companies and you're the richest man companies and you're the richest ma but then going back to the >> but then going back to the obesity rumour is that obesity thing, rumour is that he's weight loss drug he's on the weight loss drug ozempic. >> weight loss drug. >> oh, the weight loss drug. yeah but maybe drugs >> oh, the weight loss drug. yeah bl maybe e drugs >> oh, the weight loss drug. yeah blmaybe contra drugs >> oh, the weight loss drug. yeah blmaybe contra dererve, maybe. maybe contra the verve, the he's the drugs do work because he's the drugs do work because he's the the world. i the richest man in the world. i

want he's having. want what he's having. >> are you worrying about, >> what are you worrying about, guys? >> mean, brother mate >> i mean, my brother had a mate when 14 who got when he was about 14 who got really weed and went off really into weed and went off the rails a bit. fair enough. you just had to get him you know, we just had to get him through gcses, it's elon you know, we just had to get him throug he gcses, it's elon you know, we just had to get him throug he didn'tes, it's elon you know, we just had to get him throug he didn't relax it's elon you know, we just had to get him throug he didn't relax it's el> exactly. >> exactly. >> i think it's going to be fine. i just think it's like, you the days, if you know, in the old days, if you know, in the old days, if you were a clever, rich white guy, you would have all guy, you would have had all these things in your these crazy things in your private you're not allowed private life. you're not allowed to that's private life. you're not allowed to now. that's private life. you're not allowed to now. you're that's private life. you're not allowed to now. you're not that's private life. you're not allowed to now. you're not allowed hat's private life. you're not allowed to now. you're not allowed to 's private life. you're not allowed to drugs you're not allowed to 's private life. you're not allowed to drugs like re not allowed to 's private life. you're not allowed to drugs like soon. allowed to 's private life. you're not allowed to drugs like soon. theread to 's do drugs like soon. there won't be any point in being elon musk. you know what's i just think it's him it's they're going for him because he's elon musk. >> whatever musk >> yes i'm pro whatever musk does, cares about free does, he cares about free speech. does. i so speech. he does. so i see so many posts about be like, there was post today, like elon. was a post today, be like elon. and someone who posted was a post today, be like elon. and a someone who posted was a post today, be like elon. and a while omeone who posted was a post today, be like elon. and a while ago.>ne who posted was a post today, be like elon. and a while ago. allwho posted was a post today, be like elon. and a while ago. all the posted was a post today, be like elon. and a while ago. all the great d this a while ago. all the great things but then there things he's done. but then there was post same was another post from the same account attacking elon. was another post from the same accoit's attacking elon. was another post from the same accoit's so attacking elon. was another post from the same accoit's so transparentelon. and it's just so transparent because on their side. he because he was on their side. he was doing electric cars , he was was doing electric cars, he was going but soon as going to space. but as soon as he became like, oh, politically, he became like, oh, politically, he aligned with the he might not be aligned with the regime, all he's regime, they just all say he's awful, right? oh, just because they're threatened free speech. >> right. yeah. and drugs

speech. >> rigia yeah. and drugs speech. >> rigia cheap, yeah. and drugs speech. >> rigia cheap, low. and drugs speech. >> rigia cheap, low hanging|gs is such a cheap, low hanging fruit. way to go for something. and has impact. fruit. way to go for something. and has impact . you know, and it has an impact. you know, the fact that share price the fact that the share price has i went this has dropped. yes i went to this thing ago, professor thing a while ago, professor nutt who was nutt talking about who was the fired because he said fired drugs tsar because he said ecstasy wasn't that dangerous or something. fired. um, and something. he got fired. um, and he he talking about what he he he was talking about what he thought could do if he could thought he could do if he could do with do experiments with hallucinogens. thought he hallucinogens. he thought he could suicide could halve veteran suicide rates. because it's so rates. but because it's so politically sensitive, just doing the research is almost impossible. you know? so as soon as smear somebody with as you smear somebody with drug stuff, massive stuff, it has this massive impact just think that's awful. >> but chelsea handler, the comedian, she did one of her netflix it, netflix shows about it, ayahuasca, that like a strain ayahuasca, that is like a strain of tea or whatever . and she did of tea or whatever. and she did the whole thing about that because she's quite open about the fact she enjoys the fact that she enjoys a doobie , um, amongst other things doobie, um, amongst other things . and her share price didn't fall down. so, i don't know, different products go to forest and paint herself blue. >> carry on. i don't think she did. >> thank you. um, he has had a very good hair transport rant. yes.

>> ellen. ellen was high at the time. >> was he? >> was he? >> do you think he was or do you think? no, he wasn't. was liv golf turkey put it that way. yes. >> true. like leo. so yeah that is true elon musk that's not true. actually nothing about elon true. and the elon musk is true. and by the way, the street way, why is the wall street journal wasting much journal wasting so much time with on the great with a hit piece on the great elon musk? that's my question. let's the mail. the pope let's do the mail. and the pope has out against surrogate has spoken out against surrogate pregnancies. >> tirade >> yes. pope's tirade on surrogacy his surrogacy came as part of his annual state the world annual state of the world speech. the world. um, speech. state of the world. um, pope today called for a pope francis today called for a universal ban on the despicable. his words , not practice of his words, not mine practice of surrogate motherhood, as he included commercialised included the commercialised version of pregnancy an version of pregnancy in an annual speech listing threats to global peace and human dignity, which is very strong language, very strong language for a baby, for a baby. well he's he's talking. he thinks that the practice represents a grave violation of the dignity . of the violation of the dignity. of the woman and the child. and i know that's very conservative language , but it's a hot topic , language, but it's a hot topic, isn't it? surrogacy. i mean, it's very complicated. it's a

bit like the assisted dying debate that's going the debate that's going on at the moment. humans moment. it really is humans beginning play god. you know. beginning to play god. you know. >> there's that >> yeah. there's also that slightly people. some people find when get find it a bit weird when you get these gay these sort of high profile gay couples. a baby. couples. they have a baby. obviously, has had obviously, a woman has had to write deliver, you have write, deliver, you know, have the womb for nine the baby in the womb for nine months. then never months. and then she's never anywhere the pictures. she's anywhere in the pictures. she's sort and that's sort of not there. and that's also with heterosexual also the same with heterosexual people. just wanted say people. but i just wanted to say gay couples. >> know because a >> i know because you're a homophobe. >> i know because you're a horthat'sie. >> i know because you're a horthat's why. and at least >> that's why. and at least you're that's you're honest about it. that's the one thing. >> oh grief . no, but that's >> oh good grief. no, but that's you're exactly right. you just wouldn't you? you're exactly right. you just wotbecause you? you're exactly right. you just wotbecause thing you? you're exactly right. you just wotbecause thing y0|is, >> because the thing is, is, well, one kardashian well, one of the kardashian ones, um, uh, khloe or ones, um, uh, was it khloe or was i can't remember who was it? i can't remember who they to get they had. they had to get surrogate carriers, and they were featured any were never featured in any of the whether the things. so i think whether hetero homosexual, you just hetero and homosexual, you just don't sign a privacy don't do it. they sign a privacy agreement stuff, right? agreement and stuff, right? >> right, right. >> right, right. >> isn't cases. >> but but isn't both cases. isn't >> but but isn't both cases. isnt and >> but but isn't both cases. isn't and off? isn't it slightly weird and off? >> well, there's i, i know of a guy scotland who got her guy in scotland who got her sister in law to carry her baby because she couldn't. okay, so .

because she couldn't. okay, so. don't you think that's worlds apart, though, from what happens in the states? >> probably the kardashians, where it's actually legal to pay somebody do it in this somebody to do it in this country, that's not case. country, that's not the case. and you're and so in the case you're talking about, it's like the special occasion, and special occasion, isn't it? and there's a link and there's a relationship and you can see like beautiful or like like a beautiful jessie or like giving kidney, giving someone a kidney, i can see it's designer see when it's designer babies for rich people, that's when you 90, for rich people, that's when you go, fear is, it's go, ooh, well, my fear is, it's like. it's like novel like. it's like the novel crime and it? you and punishment, isn't it? you think you can do the thing, and then out in that in then if you carry out in that in then if you carry out in that in the novel, he murders woman the novel, he murders the woman afterwards. the novel, he murders the woman afterwa alert, the novel, he murders the woman afterwaalert, has the novel, he murders the woman afterwa alert, has to die. the novel, he murders the woman afterwaalert, has to die. he spoiler alert, he has to die. he has live and i has to live with it. and i think, what would it be like if you if you think, oh, i'm so tough, it and tough, i could do it and then you've got live it you've got to live with it afterwards, and it will be with you rest of your life. you for the rest of your life. and just, i don't have a and ijust, i don't have a formed opinion, but i think it's a uh. can the a very, uh. i can see why the pope's interested it. pope's interested in it. >> although normally >> yes. although he normally says sort of things, he's a says sort of woke things, he's a bit more. he's gone a more bit more. he's gone a bit more hard line this. but anyway, hard line on this. but anyway, i'm we mentioned i'm glad we mentioned dostoyevsky evans. dostoyevsky and simon evans. isn't let's the isn't even here. let's do the independent and speculation isn't even here. let's do the indepetaylor and speculation isn't even here. let's do the

indepetaylor swift'seculation isn't even here. let's do the indepetaylor swift's sexual.n about taylor swift's sexual. she is apparently is upset her fans and apparently they refuse shake off. they refuse to shake it off. bruce i'm down with bruce would be. i'm down with the song. there we go. >> i know the song. there we go. >> i know the song. there we go. >> all about taylor. >> i know the song. there we go. >> yes,about taylor. >> i know the song. there we go. >> yes, taylor aylor. >> i know the song. there we go. >> yes, taylor swift's fan criticised new times criticised the new york times over a column speculating speculating her sexuality. speculating about her sexuality. >> they're >> um, i don't know why they're bothered sexuality bothered about her sexuality or whatever. probably proves that speculation probably proves that if a woman, which we if she is a gay woman, which we don't know then she obviously don't know, then she obviously feels that she can't come out because damage her because it would damage her brand, think is brand, which i actually think is really, the really, really sad. so the column titled look what we column is titled look what we made swift do , and this made taylor swift do, and this was the 4th of january. and basically what they've been doing they're calling doing is they're calling it hairpinning um, taylor hairpinning that, um, taylor has been leaking or breadcrumbing , been leaking or breadcrumbing, she has been leaking little snippets to kind of say, ooh, am i am i not? she is also very well known for having a long list of high profile romances with very famous men that do not last. so i don't know of their length and men who could potentially be gay. >> i mean, jake gyllenhaal was in brokeback mountain. you've got harry styles. >> you're obsessed. i >> wow. you're obsessed. but i don't have to don't think you really have to be of the story.

be the topic of the story. >> taylor swift i mean, gone doesit >> taylor swift i mean, gone does it affect the brand? >> i don't know, it says here, uh, that this suggesting it would surely dim , uh, dim, dim would surely dim, uh, dim, dim her light or whatever. i'm not. i just don't see that includes i don't know. >> i mean, i think she's far too powerful. i think she really, really is. >> maybe she to dim it for >> maybe she had to dim it for a while. but is it the case that heterosexual young girls needed to identify with her as a kind of typical heterosexual female, and it later ? i don't know. >> she claimed that she just got sick of everyone saying, like, who's guy she's out who's this guy she's going out with? for all with? and judging her for all her she's, which she her dates and she's, which she sings about in that song. i go on dates and she and on so many dates and she and she, she said wanted to she, she said she just wanted to have do it have nothing to do with it anymore. think what anymore. i think i know what taylor swift like. you go out taylor swift is like. you go out with her. right. and it's kind of bit weird. and you may of like a bit weird. and you may be her occasionally be like, kiss her occasionally and then then be like, kiss her occasionally and just then then be like, kiss her occasionally and just wants then then be like, kiss her occasionally and just wants to then then be like, kiss her occasionally and just wants to write 1en then be like, kiss her occasionally and just wants to write aboutan be like, kiss her occasionally and just wants to write about it she just wants to write about it in a song and nothing much really she moves in a song and nothing much reallythe she moves in a song and nothing much reallythe next she moves in a song and nothing much reallythe next guy. she moves in a song and nothing much reallythe next guy. i've e moves in a song and nothing much reallythe next guy. i've thought on to the next guy. i've thought it through. it's like morrissey when he started off. you feel it through. it's like morrissey whe he's started off. you feel it through. it's like morrissey whe he's moreed off. you feel it through. it's like morrissey whe he's more interested feel it through. it's like morrissey whe he's more interested inel it through. it's like morrissey whe he's more interested in the like he's more interested in the

song actual song than the actual relationship. i think any relationship. well i think any time really famous time we look at really famous people and expect normal behaviour like behaviour out of them, it's like guys, they're really famous people. they've completely guys, they're really famous people. thedidn'tompletely guys, they're really famous people. thedidn'tompstrike guys, they're really famous people. thedidn'tomp strike you guys, they're really famous peikind thedidn'tomp strike you guys, they're really famous peikind theyou1'tomp strike you guys, they're really famous peikind theyou1'tomp it'ske you guys, they're really famous peikind theyou1'tompit's like>u as kind of, you know, it's like it's about the drama. and then she writes a great song about it and no, no, you know, i'm she writes a great song about it anisorry. no, no, you know, i'm so sorry. >> f’- so sorry. >> know enough about >> i don't know enough about taylor think know the taylor swift. i think i know the shaking coming across shaking is still coming across as a swiftie. >> she's got some great songs. >> she's got some great songs. >> she does. >> um, she does. >> um, she does. >> uh, blank page, >> i like, uh, blank page, right? style, like right? i like style, i like shakeit right? i like style, i like shake it off. oh, great. >> some listening. >> some listening. >> massive which which >> massive fan. which is which is of my sort of homophobia. >> it's not. that's still >> no, it's not. that's still there. what? straight would >> no, it's not. that's still there. withose:raight would >> no, it's not. that's still there. withose things? would admit to those things? >> actually, i think a lot actually. okay lewis schaefer could your homophobia. >> he's got methods. >> he's got methods. >> does he? luckily, >> okay. well, does he? luckily, he'll back tomorrow, think. he'll be back tomorrow, i think. but let's crack on and do the mirror and wetherspoons. i know about a about wetherspoons has sacked a barman lesbian barman for telling a lesbian that her. that god would forgive her. well, repents. surely. >> wetherspoon, barman >> cressida wetherspoon, barman sacked god sacked for telling lesbian god will on pride will forgive you on pride weekend. the weekend. and obviously the real story even story here is we didn't even know that nick had ever been a barman. um oh well, i think i've just told you the whole story.

really in the in the title, this guy ' really in the in the title, this guy , uh, he was autistic, though. >> what i don't understand. >> what i don't understand. >> oh, come on, he was autistic, so he just tells the truth like an absolute legend. >> i love autistic guys. he just tells truth. and they tells the truth. and then they say doesn't the say that doesn't matter. the judge decided that didn't matter. autism not matter. why does his autism not matter. why does his autism not matter ? and does it not matter? and why does it not matter? and why does it not matter he's a christian matter that he's a christian telling someone god will telling someone that god will forgive them being is forgive them for being gay is harassment on the grounds of sexual orientation? the employment but employment judge claimed. but why not harassment why is it not harassment of a christian them for his christian to sack them for his christian to sack them for his christian beliefs? >> well, that is, that's a good point. thank you. but i don't think i mean, when we get these stories about somebody being sacked and it's over the detail, you always think, well, are they a difficult to work with? a bit difficult to work with? was there something else? >> worker. he got >> he was a good worker. he got on with everybody. okay. on well with everybody. okay. >> the lesbian. well yeah. >> can't can't please them all. yeah. >> that'scan't please them all. yeah. >> that's thet please them all. yeah. >> that's the thing.;e them all. no that's the thing. >> but he said that he was really tired of having the gay thing throat. thing shoved down his throat. and if that's and i don't know if that's a euphemism or whether that's just how wondered who how he felt, but i wondered who was shoving what down his his throat. was shoving what down his his thr(|f:. was shoving what down his his thr( if we didn't go out of 5 am,

>> if we didn't go out of 5 am, i would wonder more that has happened i would wonder more that has haplened i would wonder more that has hapl won't name the comedian. >> i won't name the comedian. i was backstage at a comedy club, and this comedian think and this comedian who i think was again christian and was a born again christian and i totally respect your religious beliefs, to do beliefs, said all you have to do is apologise . and i went to is apologise. and i went to whom? and for what? and they said, i'm just when you're kind of at the end, if you want to get in. and i said, get in where? and she went, heaven. sorry they said heaven. it was a man . um, and i was a bit like, man. um, and i was a bit like, why would you even say that? you know , repentance is a bit bigger know, repentance is a bit bigger than apologise . than apologise. >> i'll you through it. >> i'll talk you through it. >> i'll talk you through it. >> you from >> that's what you took from that anecdote. you have that anecdote. you don't have anything no anything to apologise for? no truly, all the views on gb news people on the radio. >> i'm now rolling my eyes. >> i'm now rolling my eyes. >> he's rolling his eyes. and thatis >> he's rolling his eyes. and that is part three nailed. but coming up in the final section, the farmer a lap dance the farmer offered a lap dance in exchange farm in exchange for a wind farm blackface and salmon blackface in spain and salmon sperme channel sperme, who says this channel isn't you

welcome back to the final section of headliners. let's get into it with the telegraph. and a farmer was allegedly offered a lap dance in return for allowing a wind farm on his land. we've all by that offer all been tempted by that offer aggressively, we? aggressively, have we? >> uh. farmer claims he was offered a lap dance if he agreed to win on land. um to win turbine on his land. um so that's that's the story i, i hasten to add . this is not hasten to add. this is not necessarily true . so it says necessarily true. so it says energy company offering welsh landowners incentives to sign up to green schemes, denies the allegations. i think we really need to say that bute energy, bute energy. yeah. >> it would be a scottish company , wouldn't it? company, wouldn't it? >> i didn't like the food would it. yeah. that their way? i it. yeah. is that their way? i think took lap dance think so you took the lap dance places soften you a bit. places to soften you up a bit. >> i've been a lap dancing club. >> excellent. yeah how did you get a wind turbine out of it? >> no, i didn't get anything, did. >> i think i got a bag of magic mushrooms, funnily enough. but you have to sit on hands. you have to sit on your hands. i was didn't care ,

honestly. >> you could have got a wind farm for 100,000 a year. that's what some of these landowners get. >> i don't think that was what was on offer. maybe a tunnock's teacake at best. >> well, okay, let's go back to the fact that it's an allegation . is bute energy . this this is bute energy speaking this allegation speaking. this allegation is baseless unfounded and it baseless and unfounded and it should never have been published by community council. by nelson community council. they as form of they sound great as any form of credible or approved council minutes. so they're saying it's hearsay and gossip. and as somebody that grew up in quite small market i can small market towns, i can totally imagine that one person says it for a joke, goes around the fact for the the town, becomes fact for the next decades. yeah, okay. next three decades. yeah, okay. >> i want to know is, >> well, what i want to know is, did links with lap did they have links with lap dancers to offer dancers then in order to offer these bribes ? oh, yeah. these bribes? oh, yeah. >> they must have done lap >> they must have done the lap dancing. network has dancing. wind farm network has yet , i dancing. wind farm network has yet, i suppose it's dancing. wind farm network has yet , i suppose it's massive dancing. wind farm network has yet, i suppose it's massive . yet, i suppose it's massive. it's like the wire. >> it's a scandi thing. >> it's a scandi thing. >> waiting to drop that >> it's waiting to drop that scandal. let's do the times then. before we into legal then. before we get into legal trouble. know spain trouble. and we all know spain like a siesta, but are they a bit too relaxed about blackface? >> spain have an epiphany

>> spain yet to have an epiphany over and this a over blackface. and this is in a tradition that is becoming almost as entrenched the almost as entrenched as the feast three. maggie feast of the three. maggie i think that is rios. maggie's um. and i've got that wrong idea . and i've got that wrong idea. apologise is a racism row that is broken out in spain about white spaniards wearing black makeup at epiphany celebrations to portray one of the wise men. i think that is balthazar. so apparently the and it's a lot of young people that do it. they put blackface on, but then very red lips. so it's bit like red lips. so it's a bit like papa lazarou from the league of gentlemen . that's the visual representation. >> my wife . now, that guy. >> my wife. now, that guy. >> my wife. now, that guy. >> um, i'm not your wife. uh quote unquote. but just for the people on the radio to let them know. i just don't understand why people are blacking up at all. i think it's wrong. >> upon, isn't it? in >> frowned upon, isn't it? in the era. the modern era. >> i think the point is, this festival, this ritual festival, this idea, this ritual was before people was around long before people had political correctness and probably long before they had any people of colour in their community. i it's just community. i mean, it's just naff, it? in this country, naff, isn't it? in this country, we would long have got rid of

it. although that it. although i say that in morris they still have morris dancing they still have the full. they now? the full. or do they now? i don't my childhood don't know. in my childhood we still who wore still had the fool who wore black, was, it was black, but it was, it was nothing do with race. in that nothing to do with race. in that case, it was do with coal case, it was to do with coal mining. um, apparently mining. anyway, um, apparently they accent, do the they do the accent, don't do the accent, up as bullfighter. >> and some people are worried it perpetuates cliches about spain. nah, be spain. i'm like, nah, don't be too hard. >> isn't it? um yeah. >> so bad, isn't it? um yeah. >> so bad, isn't it? um yeah. >> rid of okay. >> get rid of it. okay. >> get rid of it. okay. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> from spain to dartmoor >> well, from spain to dartmoor with on with the times and rangers on dartmoor will start wearing body cams. you google the cams. and if you google the words decline of britain, this story comes up. president dartmoor rangers will wear video cameras to stop abuse . cameras to stop abuse. >> and i know what you're thinking. why would there any thinking. why would there be any abuse on dartmoor? you think most there a most people would go there for a hike? almost 2.5 million people visit dartmoor every year. many come see its ponies, but come to see its ponies, but a few come to cause trouble. >> always a few, always a few. >> always a few, always a few. >> and so apparently they've there's been , uh, they're there's been, uh, they're wearing them because sometimes people go up there for like, a secret rave or something, which i think is a great idea because

the aren't going to mind, i think is a great idea because the they? aren't going to mind, i think is a great idea because the they? aren't gsecreto mind, anymore. >> w- w— right? >> exactly. they keep the footage for 30 days. so if you can get past the 30 days, it's gone. >> but. >> but. >> but. >> but i was the halifax >> but i was in the halifax earlier today depositing some cash and woman had a body cash and the woman had a body cam and i went, what's cam on, and i went, what's wrong? >> because knows, know, >> because she knows, you know, she knows. >> because she knows, you know, she knc she apparently >> but she said apparently people at her. people were screaming at her. >> oh god, i bad for >> oh my god, i feel bad for these people. staff, these people. these staff, though, because they've been verbally flashed, chased though, because they've been verbon/ flashed, chased though, because they've been verbon/ occasion.hed, chased though, because they've been verbon/ occasion threatenedi and on one occasion threatened with threatened with a mallet who threatened someone with a mallet? >> the pegs. >> okay, well, let's move on and do the mail. and would you inject with salmon? inject your face with salmon? >> that's not the story. >> that's not the story. >> i absolutely would. okay. >> i absolutely would. okay. >> is a new revolutionary >> this is a new revolutionary treatment . and it's kind treatment aimed. and it's kind of like, um, there's a chef in scotland tom kitchen . scotland called tom kitchen. he's a michelin star chef, and he tip to toe dining, so he he does tip to toe dining, so he uses every part of the animal. so baggott does. so nadine baggott no he does. it's good. so nadine it's very good. so nadine baggott, beauty baggott, who is a beauty journalist, that journalist, she said that this is brilliant. if we're is brilliant. you know if we're taking salmon carcase, let's taking the salmon carcase, let's take and all that take the sperme and all that kind stuff. it's kind of stuff. and it's basically to the new basically going to be the new

botox filler. okay botox and filler. okay >> yeah, yeah. because would you get it done? you i would, i've just auditioned for a shopping channel. >> if you think you can sell salmon sperme to put in my face. >> thank you. and reminded me somewhat of the i mean , one somewhat of the i mean, one thing is the only problem is you start water. start leaping out of water. >> downside. but >> that's the only downside. but it reminded me of cowell it reminded me of simon cowell when sheep placenta when he put the sheep placenta on and when i read on his face. and when i read that, like, that's that, i was like, that's ridiculous. been ridiculous. now i've been doing it but it works. it for six years, but it works. yeah, well, i'll move straight on this. yeah, well, i'll move straight on what;. yeah, well, i'll move straight on what do you think? probably >> what do you think? probably the are tiny the needles are tiny, tiny needles. the needles are tiny, tiny neethey're smaller the needles are tiny, tiny nee they're smaller than >> they're even smaller than botox is kind botox needles that is the kind of trying sell of thing someone trying to sell you would say the you salmon sperme would say the needles tiny. it'sjust needles are tiny. it's just a little yeah yeah, don't little prick. yeah yeah, don't peep out of water. but the thing is sounds is this. i know this sounds strange, tom strange, but people like tom cruise beckham. cruise and victoria beckham. these poop facials, they've these bird poop facials, they've been all that kind of been doing all that kind of stuff. kim kardashian does stuff. and kim kardashian does that thing where you take a roller over your face, and then you your blood injected into you get your blood injected into it. it a vampire facial ? it. is it a vampire facial? >> so i don't know, but at least it's actually the tissue. >> so i don't know, but at least ithope actually the tissue. >> so i don't know, but at least ithope it ctually the tissue. >> so i don't know, but at least ithope it isn't ly the tissue. >> so i don't know, but at least ithope it isn't the the tissue. >> so i don't know, but at least ithope it isn't the bird tissue. >> so i don't know, but at least ithope it isn't the bird poo.ie. >> so i don't know, but at least

ithope it isn't the bird poo. no i hope it isn't the bird poo. no no no, it's a bird. i just i mean, regret saying mean, maybe i'll regret saying this decades to come, the this in decades to come, but the idea having any sort of idea of having any sort of cosmetic surgery procedure makes me wish . it's like it just makes me wish. it's like it just makes me wish. it's like it just makes me cringe. you know? it's. it's your even lip fillers. oh, they look so painful . full. look so painful. full. >> so just for the record, you're saying you would not inject salmon sperms your face? >> that is my current position. never say never, and i will. >> i would, and i have. >> and i would, and i have. >> and i would, and i have. >> it's 2 to right. okay. >> so it's 2 to 1 right. okay. that show is pretty much >> so it's 2 to 1 right. okay. that thanks,v is pretty much >> so it's 2 to 1 right. okay. that thanks, guys. etty much >> so it's 2 to 1 right. okay. that thanks, guys. etty nhave over. thanks, guys. let's have another look tuesday's another quick look at tuesday's front pages. so the daily mail has which is about front pages. so the daily mail has post which is about front pages. so the daily mail has post office which is about front pages. so the daily mail has post office which isthe�*ut the post office scandal. the telegraph channel 4 in diversity row over white bosses. the times fast appeals for wrongly convicted postmasters . the convicted postmasters. the guardian has scrambled to clear victims of post office fraud scandal . the i goes with post scandal. the i goes with post office scandal firm fujitsu gets major uk government contract and of course the daily star. there's klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow , starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow and that is all we have time for. thank you to my

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may just stay freezing, may just stay above freezing, where we keep a bit more cloud and some will start a bit grey on tuesday . quite cloudy over on tuesday. quite cloudy over north—east southeast north—east england, southeast scotland. early showers over scotland. any early showers over the southwest that should scoot away. many it's a bright away. and for many it's a bright day tomorrow. bright fine winter's chilly. winter's day feeling chilly. temperatures starting around temperatures starting off around freezing only getting up to freezing and only getting up to 3 or 4 degrees. feeling colder with across the south, with the wind across the south, particularly if you're stuck under across under that cloud across northeastern england . a northeastern parts of england. a bit more cloud coming in to northeastern areas by wednesday, and showers likely, and a few more showers likely, although expected to be although these expected to be chiefly of rain, maybe some sleet snow on hills. sunny sleet and snow on hills. a sunny day generally across the south and many western coast. again, fine and sunny through wednesday thanks to that area of high pressure just pressure temperatures just creeping a touch, still creeping up a touch, but still below average . and of course it below average. and of course it will feel colder once more in below average. and of course it willwind colder once more in below average. and of course it willwind .older once more in the wind. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

>> good evening. tonight our top story . it's the subpostmaster story. it's the subpostmaster scandal . should they all be scandal. should they all be exonerated . we'll look at the exonerated. we'll look at the oil and gas licences debate in the house of commons following the house of commons following the resignation of a conservative member of parliament. i will interview a banker who was sacked over using the n word in a diversity debate as to what was acceptable, what wasn't. we'll pay wasn't. and we'll also pay tribute to the last of the world war ii sas originals. but before all of that, let's get the . news all of that, let's get the. news >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, our top story from the gb newsroom is that the prime says he that the prime minister says he would strongly support a decision to revoke the former

post office bosses. cbe paula vennells routinely denied there were problems with the horizon. it system, which made it look like money was missing from the post office itself. her hundreds of staff, as a result, were convicted, jailed, bankrupted and some even took their own lives after they were wrongly accused of theft. the government insists it is working to ensure compensation is paid to all those affected , and fresh ice those affected, and fresh ice warnings have been issued for parts of britain tonight as temperatures plummet and snow and sleet hit the country. the met office has issued yellow alerts for southern england and southern wales, effective until tomorrow morning. an amber cold health alert has also been issued for parts of england in line with the government's warning system, with the cold snap set to continue throughout the rest of this week . sir keir the rest of this week. sir keir starmer visited flood hit east midlands regions today, promising that a labour government would do more to protect people's homes. that's after labour accused the

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