britain's newsroom when gb news with me, andrew pierce and bev turner. >> very good morning to you. so cold strikes acas wrap up cold snap strikes acas wrap up warm out there britain sees snow andice warm out there britain sees snow and ice caused some disruption as the met office warns of temperatures plunging to as low as nine degrees. more than as minus nine degrees. more than 100 flood warnings remain in place across britain, and the clean up for thousands continues i >> -- >> we're going to be talking to the business owner, emma sayle, from her very flooded living room , which is just not far from room, which is just not far from here london. we want to here in west london. we want to know if you've been affected and post office payout to post office payout thanks to this drama that's making all this itv drama that's making all the headlines, the government is drawing accelerate the headlines, the government is dra\appeals accelerate the headlines, the government is dra\appeals process accelerate the headlines, the government is dra\appeals process for:elerate the headlines, the government is dra\appeals process for the 'ate the headlines, the government is dra\appeals process for the 750 the appeals process for the 750 postmasters wrongfully convicted in the horizon fujitsu accounting scandal . accounting scandal. >> labour leader sir keir starmer was director of public prosecutions at the time , and prosecutions at the time, and last night nigel farage said that he could have done more so actually starmer had the power to take over these prosecutions orindeed to take over these prosecutions or indeed to say enough and it's

impossible to believe, given the hundreds of prosecutions that were happening, given the media commentary that was taking place at the time, that he wasn't aware of it . aware of it. >> the postal affairs minister at the time, sir ed davey, is refusing calls to resign as lib dem leader and the former post office chief executive, paula vennells , stays silent and vennells, stays silent and shamelessly won't give up her cbe . cbe. >> let us know your thoughts this morning. gb views at gb news. com. that picture there of the houses surrounded by the water. that's emma sayles house. we're going to be talking to her in just a moment. >> it must be one of the worst ever things. >> worst ever things. >> worst ever things. >> the time that it takes to repair a house that. where repair a house like that. where do where do the kids do you live? where do the kids live while they go to school? we'll out all the details we'll find out all the details from emma after your news from emma after your latest news with harris .

with sam harris. >> andrew bear, thanks very much. good morning. i'm sam francis from the gb newsroom . francis from the gb newsroom. the headlines at just after 930, the justice secretary is holding crunch talks with judges as the government looks for ways to clear the names of staff caught up in the post office scandal. more than 700 staff were convicted , jailed, bankrupt and convicted, jailed, bankrupt and some took their lives after they were wrongly accused of theft. to date, just 93 staff have their convictions been overturned and only 30 have finalised compensation with the government business minister kevin hollinrake says plans to speed up the remaining cases would be announced very shortly. however, shadow minister for schools catherine mckinnell says more questions still need to be asked . asked. >> everybody needs to look hard at who knew what, when and what decisions were taken and what could have been done to deliver justice more swiftly for the victims of this egregious miscarriage of justice. but ultimately, we know one of the issues that is being looked at

issues that is being looked at is the system that the post office has been using to prosecute suit these convictions and making sure that that is reviewed and perhaps brought under a different system to make sure this doesn't happen again in the us , two airlines have in the us, two airlines have found loose hardware during plane inspections. >> it's after a section of the fuselage fell from an alaska airlines 737 max nine on friday. the plane had to make an emergency landing, but luckily no passengers were injured. the operator says it has since found some loose hardware on several max nines. meanwhile, united airlines says some bolts need additional tightening and that there have been installation issues relating to door plugs as a new trial has found successful courses of treatment for a rare form of children's cancer. a combination of anti—tumor drugs with chemotherapy is said to improve the chances of patients with neuroblast comas. patients

who received a course of new treatment saw the tumours shrinking , as well as having a shrinking, as well as having a better one year progression free survival rate and more snow is expected across the country. that's as the uk health security agency issues an amber cold health alert for parts of england. the winter weather follows storm henk, which left large areas of the country flooded and thousands of homes damaged. more than 100 flood warnings are still in place across the uk , and you can get across the uk, and you can get more on all of those stories and many more by visiting our website, gbnews.com. now though, back to andrew and . bev. back to andrew and. bev. >> very good morning. it is 934 this morning. thank you for joining us tuesday morning. have you watched the itv drama yet about the post office scandal? if you watched it, it's extraordinary. it is extraordinary. it is extraordinary and part of me is a bit cross that it's taken a docudrama to bring this story with all of this injustice

against those 700 people, at least out into the public consciousness . were you aware of consciousness. were you aware of it before? >> yeah , we were looking at the >> yeah, we were looking at the mail. we've been writing about this since 2013, and we had james arbuthnot, lord arbuthnot on with us on the box here with us yesterday, he said, the mail yesterday, and he said, the mail has the good has been fighting the good fight, it did not capture fight, but it did not capture the imagination in the the public imagination in the way that this extraordinary drama, bates, versus the post drama, mr bates, versus the post office, has done. and now finally , the post office are finally, the post office are under pressure, as are at last, fujitsu. the huge , uh, fujitsu. the huge, uh, multinational worth 150 billion. they're dodgy. it says they haven't paid a penny in compensation. >> in many ways, i love the fact that this is in the public consciousness now, because it does raise awareness of all of these computer systems on which we are increasingly reliant and how flawed they can be. and how if computer says no often there's nobody to talk to. we've all been there. if you haven't seen the drama, there are these scenes in which the postmasters

are on the helpline the it are on the helpline to the it system, is effectively system, which is effectively churning incorrect numbers churning out incorrect numbers over and over so that the cash going into the post office doesn't match the cash going out. and lovely people, out. and these lovely people, good people, postmark letters, they're not in that job to become rich. they're often serving their community. they had nobody to turn to and they were just isolated , weren't were just isolated, weren't they? nobody would pick up the phone to help them. the fact that as well, there was, was one of the characters who had pled guilty, actually, a few of them did actually plead guilty to having changed the figures because they did it out of desperation when they it desperation when they wanted it to stop. >> they wanted it's >> they wanted it. it's heartbreaking. i met one of them yesterday went to prison yesterday who went to prison a lovely and you just lovely asian lady, and you just looked her and you thought, looked at her and you thought, how? did ever how did how? how did this ever how did she. she was she. because she was found guilty basis of a lie. guilty on the basis of a lie. >> yeah. it's awful. let us know what you think. this morning, though. gb views at gb news uk, we aren't going to be talking to david davis, the tory mp sir david, as he is now, who will be

joining in studio, who's joining us in the studio, who's been championing case of been championing the case of these and post mistresses. >> we're talking very >> and we're talking very shortly. yeah. >> some the country >> now some parts of the country are blanketed in this are blanketed in snow this morning met issues morning as the met office issues an cold health alert for an amber cold health alert for some regions. >> also been significant >> there's also been significant rainfall, has left many rainfall, which has left many areas beside rivers and businesses horribly underwater for. >> so joining us now is emma sale, family had sale, whose family have had to evacuate laleham, evacuate their home in laleham, just outside of staines, west of london. good morning . emma, is london. good morning. emma, is it chilly as well? you're there, wrapped up if you're listening on the radio. we've just seen these awful pictures. emma's got a big coat on and her woolly hat right. tell us what the situation . where? where is your situation. where? where is your house? has this happened before? emma, something you've emma, is this something you've got used to? >> we. so we moved into here in 2017. so it happened in the big floods in 2014. so we're just down the river between staines and laleham . so i'm sorry. um, and laleham. so i'm sorry. um, and laleham. so i'm sorry. um, and we get i mean the rain stopped on thursday, so . but

stopped on thursday, so. but what happens all the river surge comes down and everyone protects windsor and maidenhead , don't windsor and maidenhead, don't they? at all costs . so they open they? at all costs. so they open up that, you know, it's quite controversial that jubilee um, section . um, and then we and section. um, and then we and then staines get to the face. so yeah. >> so we're looking, we're just looking then emma at the pictures of your garden because you a little bar in your you have a, a little bar in your back garden. back garden that we're seeing the here. we're seeing the picture here. your the furthest your house is the one furthest to the right here, i believe on this image. much damage has this image. how much damage has been to the property ? been done to the property? >> um, a lot. so that that picture was on. i think that was saturday or sunday. it was taken andifs saturday or sunday. it was taken and it's risen by good. i mean, there's now in the house so that when that picture was taken, it wasn't in the house. so for about half the house now , um, is about half the house now, um, is about half the house now, um, is about six inches under water, um, inside. so and the garden you kind of see behind me, um, is much fuller than it was, um,

before . so all the electrics are before. so all the electrics are out, all the heating is out. um, yeah. so we can't be in it. >> so. so where can you stay in there or have you got to stay somewhere else? emma we, um, we've we've got three small children. >> three children under ten. so we've slipped. we've shipped them out for various sleepovers, which at the moment is quite exciting for them. but i think the novelty will wear off. um, and then we've got of and then we've got sort of a garage kind of annexe at the garage kind of annexe bit at the back, higher, which back, which is higher, which has separate so um, it's separate electrics. so um, it's got sort of one room upstairs. um that me and my husband and two dogs slept in last night. so, um, but yeah , we're figuring so, um, but yeah, we're figuring out today what insurance we've got. insurance, which is the good thing. um, and what can get covered with going to hotels or because it's not a case of going into somewhere for a week , this into somewhere for a week, this is now sort of a rebuild. that's going to have to happen. so it's going to have to happen. so it's going to have to happen. so it's going to be about ten months of figure out where we're going to be ten months, not living in your own house because of the repairs that will have to be

done this situation. done in this situation. >> insurance >> emma, are the insurance companies ringing you and companies keenly ringing you and saying, what can we do to help ? saying, what can we do to help? >> i wouldn't call it keenly. i think we're keenly ringing them . think we're keenly ringing them. um, and but actually to be fair, i want i go to the name of it. um they weren't they were very helpful yesterday and they said, where are you staying? do you need somewhere to stay? um, and that in contact. that someone will be in contact. so we'll get contact so i'm sure we'll get contact today. so they've already started? yeah, we've already started? yeah, we've already started process. um there. started the process. um there. so. we've got amazing. yeah. so. and we've got amazing. yeah. neighbours and the community around here. so i think our kids could have a sleepover every night for ten months. to be honest, house honest, in someone's house somewhere . um, so yeah, we'll be somewhere. um, so yeah, we'll be all right. we'll be fine. >> do you wish you'd never moved anywhere near a river? >> oh, no. well, that's the thing. i mean, when we moved into a house that totally flooded three years before we bought it. so the risk, the risk was there. and i'm a water baby, and all our kids are water babies and have always lived by

water. so do you know what we'll take? we wanted to rebuild the house anyway, so you've got to go. life you lemons, go. when life throws you lemons, you've got to kind of add you've just got to kind of add the vodka. so yeah. >> assurance. um but emma, just tell me vodka. tell you tell me vodka. tell me what you said fact you said about the fact that you think that to some degree it's the of locks and that the use of the locks and that the use of the locks and that the properties are in maidenhead and windsor are beautiful big houses have been protected at the expense of the houses further down river where you are i >> -- >> yeah. and . i mean, there's >> yeah. and. i mean, there's a real uproar around here in this, you know, around in the same, um, community and even the councillors and everyone, um, in the, you know, that was all bought in. i can't remember. it was i think was bought in. it was i think when theresa may was like was, um, the mp of windsor and maidenhead and there's this new jubilee stream it jubilee kind of stream and it sort off, um, in sort of gets cut off, um, in order to push the water down here. and there's so many locks and, you know, given that it didn't it hasn't rained since thursday. and then. so the water

is still rising now. thursday. and then. so the water is still rising now . so it kind is still rising now. so it kind of, you know, five days on, we're seeing the effect . and the we're seeing the effect. and the way we're monitoring it is we just look at it at what's happening further upstream. and if surge if there's a sudden surge upstream, we know in a few hours later we're to get hit later we're going to get hit with rise in water. so with another rise in water. so we just think there's yeah , we just think there's yeah, somewhere in the chain of river management. it isn't being done properly. >> yeah . okay. well thank you >> yeah. okay. well thank you emma. it's fascinating to see that and to see the impact on on real families and good luck emma. >> good luck. fascinating that theresa may intervened because of course. thanks emma mp for maidenhead. so she was looking after her constituents big houses. she has got a majority of over 30,000 by the way i'm just now to the just going to talk now to the meteorological meteorologist john look, it's john hammond. john, look, it's winter . it john hammond. john, look, it's winter. it rains lot. it's we winter. it rains a lot. it's we get a lot of snow. we get a lot of is this of high winds. is this particularly bad year ? particularly bad this year? morning we happy new year. >> um, well , morning we happy new year. >> um, well, it's really morning we happy new year. >> um, well , it's really the >> um, well, it's really the culmination of a month, several months actually of above average

rainfall across much of the country. you take the last six months, for example. it's near record breaking rainfall across the uk. and of course through december it was particularly wet . so what we've seen really is the inevitable culmination of huge amounts of rain over several months now. you know , several months now. you know, the river system can only take so much. and as we've seen as emma just said , although it's emma just said, although it's stopped raining, it hasn't rained for several days now . rained for several days now. that bulge of floodwater continues to work its way down the larger river systems such as the larger river systems such as the trent, the severn . and as the trent, the severn. and as we've just seen, the thames, uh, so that water ain't going nowhere fast. it's only going to gradually subside over the next few days . but that does still few days. but that does still mean that the floodplain will stay , uh, full of water and with stay, uh, full of water and with the added issue now of cold weather, it's miserable for people who have been affected by floods . and just as a side note, floods. and just as a side note, as we've seen in recent winters , as we've seen in recent winters, when kids go out to play on ice,

that itself, uh, can can be serious. so how much, john? >> how how much above average rainfall have we had in the last few months? >> um, i can't give you exact percentage above above average, but i know for a fact , for the but i know for a fact, for the last six months, across large swathes of the country, it's been the highest amount of rainfall on record over that six month period . um, now, month period. um, now, obviously, as you said at the start, we have wet spells. you know, we are a wet country and we get, you know, bouts of rain. but you know, i hate to say it, but , you know, this but you know, i hate to say it, but, you know, this is symptomatic of what we're likely to see in the future because warmer air holds more water. and when it rains, it will rain harder. we have to get better at managing our waterways , don't we? >> if this is what we're faced with, we've just got to manage it better. >> absolutely. and in actual fact, the extent of flooding is far less than it would have been if there hadn't been so much action taken by the environment

agency over the last ten years or so. not enough . and in fact, or so. not enough. and in fact, we're going to have to do a whole lot more in terms of planning and mitigation. uh, in response to higher rainfall rates. but i should say the extent of flooding is less than it would otherwise have been if there hadn't been mitigating actions put in place by the environment agency over the last several, several years. fewer, fewer homes have flooded, uh, than would have been the case. >> okay. thanks john. good to see you. john hammond there. meteorologist >> and now the tory backbencher, sir david davis pushing for an emergency debate over the honzon emergency debate over the horizon scandal horizon post office scandal in the joins in the the commons. he joins us in the studio now. david to studio now. david morning to you. you sir david. you you. i call you sir david. you like to be called sir david. now we're not on a parade ground, sir david. um, there should be a debate, but can just get to debate, but can we just get to the nub? a lot of people are saying, why? why were so many successfully prosecuted when there glut? suddenly there was such a glut? suddenly 700 doing the same 700 odd, all doing the same offence? uh, taking money, the figures not adding up . they all figures not adding up. they all have the same defence. it's the

system, not us. they were being prosecuted on the basis of a simple lie, which was that they were the only ones who could access the horizon it system, and that wasn't true. >> that's correct. and in fact, it may be the key to the solution as well , because if solution as well, because if that if that statement is not true and we now know it wasn't true, then you can't reasonably or safely prosecute anybody. if you and i share a computer, you know , so you can't say one of us know, so you can't say one of us is responsible for for, fixing the numbers or stealing . the numbers or stealing. >> so just just to be clear, so people who want to say they haven't seen the documentary. so this is the fact that fujitsu, who allowed those who are managing horizon managing this horizon system, one tech one of those complicated tech systems offices, the systems that are in offices, the postmaster thought they were postmaster was thought they were the put the the only ones that could put the figures but it could be figures in, but it could be remotely accessed best. unbeknown to them, some, guy unbeknown to them, some, um, guy in office in the uk, not in in the office in the uk, not in japan. oh in the could japan. oh yeah, in the uk could also in without them also log in without them knowing. like someone being knowing. it's like someone being able go into your emails or

able to go into your emails or your page and change your facebook page and change things without what the things without you. what the programme. things without you. what the programnthe docu drama show >> what the docu drama show which i know i've which i didn't know and i've been involved this for been involved with this for years. this sort years. yeah. uh, was this a sort of little sort of fort knox? yeah. you know, sort of high security section with with a number programmers doing number of programmers doing nothing access using these nothing but access using these computers in order to be fair to them to try to make sure they work properly, because, of course, like all, all software systems and particularly government ones, appear government ones, it would appear , you know, there are lots of glitches, lots of and so glitches, lots of bugs. and so they fix all the bugs. they had to fix all the bugs. and so they were acting, you know, about 7 or 900 know, we talk about 7 or 900 depending on how you define it, who who convicted. but who who have been convicted. but there more as there are thousands more as well, i think paid money well, who i think paid money back they back that they didn't they shouldn't owed. shouldn't really have owed. yeah. of that that the yeah. so all of that that the point being however, know point being however, you know because that you because they're doing that you can't reasonably bring a bring a prosecution against somebody when they don't control their own and so on the flip own computer and so on the flip side of that is if we let's imagine now we want to we want to exonerate 700 or 800, which we do, which we do, and we want

to do it fast. then why on earth can't we just turn around and say, look, let's just check every single one of those and see whether their computer was accessed. must records accessed. there must be records of and who would have of this and who would have accessed it. >> david. that's what it would >> david. that's what i it would have been fujitsu. >> have been fujitsu >> it would have been fujitsu who sized. who apollo sized. >> and they all say they're cooperating this inquiry, cooperating with this inquiry, which inquiries in which i like all inquiries in britain, going on forever britain, is going on forever starting it's starting 2021. no sign when it's going end. yeah. um they going to end. yeah. um they haven't a penny in compensation. >> no they haven't. >> no they haven't. >> and yet the taxpayers paid 140 odd million and you know what? >> @ know p- @ know at the moment. >> we don't know at the moment. i we do know or at i mean, what we do know or at least what the docu drama tells us, that we weren't exactly us, is that we weren't exactly straightforward. no dealing straightforward. no in dealing with and with with the courts. right and the to one element i care the key to one element i care about, which is prosecute getting the people criminally prosecuting the people who actually did decided to tell the lie. that's the key point. who decided to tell this lie? because that person is guilty of perverting the course of justice? yeah, absolutely. very serious charge. >> and that could be in the post

office or fujitsu. >> it could be either or both. it's be quite of it's likely to be quite a lot of people. i mean, this is i mean, i as you know, i do quite a lot of miscarriage of justice things and got the chinook thing and we got the chinook thing coming another tv coming up later. this another tv programme in a time. and programme in a month's time. and and what you invariably find is inside these big organisations for different reasons. people will either initiate bad actions or they go along with it, you know, and sometimes it's to protect the reputation of the organisation. sometimes it's to protect their bonuses, sometimes it's just because the guy before did it and they haven't got the guts to, to put it right and so on. but i'm afraid they're all guilty if they go along with somebody being put in prison and didn't nigel farage have a good point when he made the point, he was challenged with this that the of public the director of public prosecutions , we're not trying prosecutions, we're not trying to free but to be party free here, but the whole a huge department, to be party free here, but the wholfor a huge department, to be party free here, but the wholfor a htaxpayer,�*tment, to be party free here, but the wholfor a htaxpayer, turned paid for by the taxpayer, turned a blind eye with these prosecutions going on, they prosecutions going on, and they could have intervened under there's the whatever

there's a clause in the whatever act parliament is for act of parliament it is for i should check that out. >> he made that point last night. he has a point, doesn't he? why weren't the public prosecutors thinking, how are so many being prosecuted? >> he has a extraordinary and i but forgive me, i'm being very careful to careful in trying not to politicise . sure. what politicise. sure. because what i want is an answer. yeah, i want resolution. right. and at the moment we've got everybody in the commons side which the commons on our side which whichever party they're in now, there's doubt in my some there's no doubt in my mind some people pretty big people made some pretty big mistakes. , we've ed mistakes. i mean, we've had ed davey's episode and plainly he didn't do his job. >> he didn't challenge the post office or his civil servants . office or his civil servants. >> minister is for a minister. is there to challenge. >> and he says people, everybody lied well, your judgement lied to me. well, your judgement should it should. you should be better. it should. you should be better. it should. you should able to all that should be able to smell all that amount of . and there are ways amount of. and there are ways untruth and there are ways of testing things, you know, you know and when i've been a minister, i've, you know, i've always told my people, you know, i'm disagree you i'm going to disagree with you and going to and you're going to need to prove things that's been my

prove things or that's been my standard opening line when i go into a department. >> of people have >> um, so lots of people have made mistakes, frankly. and, and we'll come back to this, i think. but my first issue at the moment is to get is them moment is to get the is get them exonerated. the money exonerated. yeah. get the money to is again see to them. this is again you see the post here. this is an the post office here. this is an important point. the post office talk about this. and talk about solving this. and then they employ incredibly expensive lawyers. then they employ incredibly expensiv paysryers. then they employ incredibly expensiv pays'yerthat. >> who pays for that. the taxpayer because it's a taxpayer david. because it's a taxpayer david. because it's a taxpayer funded organisation . taxpayer funded organisation. >> it's our money. so >> the money it's our money. so you know i want that stopped you know about about the know what about what about the postal had postal workers who've had compensated most of it compensated but lost most of it because they had to employ expensive on the because they had to employ expcative on the because they had to employ expcat lawyers on the because they had to employ expcat lawyers hired on the because they had to employ expcat lawyers hired by on the because they had to employ expcat lawyers hired by then the fat cat lawyers hired by the post office. i mean, they've got to it back. state or the to get it back. the state or the post office has to pay for all or fujitsu has to pay for all of that. you know, i think you see, let let me just tell you let me let me just tell you a tiny example with a case that i first looked at on this. she was imprisoned. she had to pay back the money. she they asserted she owned. she sold her house. she had to sell her house in order to do that. right. but because

she sold a house before the mortgage had had she had to pay a huge penalty on the mortgage. oh, no. she ended up with no oh, no. so she ended up with no money to pay. >> if there's massive the >> if there's a massive the sorts of things you know, build up. >> so it's why it's why the minimum you get back just as a down payment is what you gave to the post office. and then on top of that, there's a huge set of other numbers and including, as you lawyers as well. you say, the lawyers as well. >> the loss of earnings, the >> oh, the loss of earnings, the damage been caused to damage that's been caused to these reputations . do these people's reputations. do you keeps me awake at you know what keeps me awake at night, is the idea night, david, is the idea that this this drama hadn't this if this docu drama hadn't been would have happened? >> it would have taken us more years. >> because what would there have been enough forever? well, yes. but have been enough but would there have been enough people? fire people? well, with enough fire in to help these people? >> well, it was very interesting piece what you wouldn't piece of what you wouldn't normally hear me but normally hear me say this, but there's an interesting piece in there's an interesting piece in the not my normal the guardian. no, not my normal line. um before christmas, martin kettle was. and he was criticising mps for not doing their job. criticising mps for not doing theirjob. uh, and uh , and not

theirjob. uh, and uh, and not being there. and it was interesting because the, the, the issue he was pointing at the very last air time, there's a bill going through the house is a small technical bill, but kevin jones my sort of my, my labour brilliant on this. who has been the leader on it. he was he was i'm number two not number one in this exercise is in the house. um, uh, kevin had put in an amendment. i'd signed the amendments and an end to, to basically give a bit more leverage to kevin hollinrake, the minister who's also been good. yeah. uh, to give him some power with his own department to push his department do what push his department to do what he well kevin was there. he wanted. well kevin was there. i was in and out doing other things, but there and things, but i was there and i think were about 5 or 6 think there were about 5 or 6 other people. and that was it. now, was the level of now, that was the level of interest. just before christmas last had to drop the last night, we had to drop the business going through the house because there were so many people wanting to ask questions. >> and that was the big bill about drilling in the north seas. >> what about the north sea that went the window? because the

went out the window? because the house is so we to seized of house is so we need to seized of this. yeah. the issue here this. yeah. and the issue here is you see, what is imagination. you see, what the docudrama did was showed you the docudrama did was showed you the depths of the misery that's visited on people by this injustice. money me, house, reputation , job, everything and reputation, job, everything and that's what it did. and it's very difficult miscarriages of justice. you're the guy you're representing or people or many people are always unpopular at the beginning because people think yeah it think they're guilty. yeah it takes that transition. >> we have to leave it. then a lack of imagination is at the root of so many issues. um, we are going to read you a statement from fujitsu after this still to this quick break, but still to come morning we are being come this morning we are being warned drinking from warned that drinking water from plastic too plastic bottles is too dangerous. it is. so dangerous. of course it is. so don't go anywhere. this is britain's newsroom on news, britain's newsroom on gb news, the people's for the people's channel. for a brighter outlook with boxt solar, weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast a frosty and in

some places icy start to the day feeling everywhere. many feeling cold everywhere. many places though, will be dry and just some sleet and snow showers still affecting the south and south—west, mainly south devon south west cornwall. they'll tend to fade away through the day and the odd drizzly rain shower affecting the north sea coast of northeast england. otherwise, for many , it's dry. a otherwise, for many, it's dry. a lot of sunshine about, particularly towards the southeast and the northwest. some cloud in between , some cloud in between, persistent across northeast england, where it will feel cold, with a brisk northeast wind and some stubborn fog for the murray forth. so actually mixed conditions as far as sunshine is concerned. but either way, it is cold and that cold theme continues into the evening and overnight with clear skies in the south as well as the west . that's where the the west. that's where the harshest frost will be, minus one to minus two celsius. in main urban areas , lower than main urban areas, lower than that in the countryside , frost that in the countryside, frost free for the north sea coast. here, milder air is arriving a

lot of low cloud to begin things on wednesday , and some drizzly on wednesday, and some drizzly showers. they'll be falling as snow over the tops of the pennines in the southern uplands. otherwise, rain at lower levels and feeling cold with the wind blowing the low cloud and the showers in from the north plenty of the north sea. plenty of sunshine southern half sunshine for the southern half of the uk. for western scotland . of the uk. for western scotland. northern also doing well northern ireland also doing well for widely. for sunny spells widely. temperatures at 5 or 6 celsius that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

gb news 10:00 on tuesday the 9th of january. >> this is britain's newsroom on gb news with me bev turner and andrew pierce. >> another cold snap. wrap up warm there. britain sees warm out there. britain sees snow disruption. snow and ice cause disruption. the is warning of the met office is warning of temperatures plunging as low as minus centigrade. minus nine degrees centigrade. our london reporter lisa hartle, she's in snowbound kent . she's in snowbound kent. >> hello. hello yes, i'm in kent, which was the latest area to be added to the amber alert for snow and ice overnight . for snow and ice overnight. >> if you're in scotland, you must think we're a bunch of absolute softies down here. anyway, more than 100 flood warnings remain in place across britain. the clean up for thousands continues. let us know if you have been impacted and post office payout. >> the government is drawing up

plans at to last speed up the process to fast track the appeals of the 750 postmasters and post them in wrongfully convicted in the horizon accounting labour accounting scandal, labour leader keir starmer was leader sir keir starmer was director of public prosecution at the time. nigel farage says why didn't he do more ? why didn't he do more? >> so actually , starmer had the >> so actually, starmer had the power to take over these prosecutions or indeed to say enough. prosecutions or indeed to say enough . and it's impossible to enough. and it's impossible to believe , given the hundreds of believe, given the hundreds of prosecutions that were happening, given the media commentary that was taking place at the time, that he wasn't aware of it. postal affairs minister at the time, sir ed davey has refused calls to resign as lib dem leader and the former post office chief executive paula vennells , say executive paula vennells, say stay silent and retain her cbe . stay silent and retain her cbe. >> boings loose bolts. the boeing 737 max crisis deepens after united airlines and alaska airlines said they'd found loose parts on multiple grounded max nine aircraft. our home security

editor mark white tells us why it's significant. well some real concern here. >> these are the results of just initial checks. now 173 boeing 737 max nine aircraft that have been grounded will undergo very detailed examinations to determine whether this is a much more widespread problem . more widespread problem. >> and thousands of german farmers blocked motorways and city centres as they began a week of protests against government proposals to cut fuel subsidies and thereby put farmers out of business. will we see a similar movement here in britain? if i've understood that boeing story correctly, this is a load of aeroplanes with a load of nuts and bolts that need tightening . nuts and bolts that need tightening. is nuts and bolts that need tightening . is that not tightening. is that not terrifying to you? >> terrifying , because you'd >> terrifying, because you'd have thought they'd be tight and

not tight by a man with a spanner, or a woman with a spannen spanner, or a woman with a spanner. thank you. with some form of great industrial, a robot with a spanner, even. >> i'll take in a situation like that. yeah >> i mean, i mean, it just makes you think of those old citroen cars, which i always thought looked they could fall looked like they could fall apart like bolts all over. very worrying. so will more worrying. so mark will have more on find out a bit more >> we'll find out a bit more gbviews@gbnews.com. is the email address. first though, here is your the your very latest news with the brilliant . bev and andrew. >> thank you very much. good morning. i'm sam francis in the gb newsroom. the headlines at ten. the justice secretary is holding crunch talks with judges as the government looks for ways to clear names staff that to clear the names of staff that were up in the post were caught up in the post office scandal. 700 office scandal. more than 700 were convicted, jailed , bankrupt were convicted, jailed, bankrupt and took their lives after and some took their lives after being wrongly accused of theft . being wrongly accused of theft. to date, just 93 convictions have been overturned and only 30 have been overturned and only 30 have finalised compensation,

with the government business minister kevin hollinrake says plans to speed up the remaining cases would be announced very shortly. this could include new legislation to scrap the convictions that are being considered. but shadow minister for schools catherine mckinnell says more questions still need to be asked and everybody needs to be asked and everybody needs to look hard at who knew what, when and what decisions were taken and what could have been done deliver justice taken and what could have been done deliverjustice more done to deliverjustice more swiftly for the victims of this egregious miscarriage of justice. >> but ultimately , we know one >> but ultimately, we know one of the issues that is being looked at is the system that the post office has been using to prosecute these these convictions and making sure that thatis convictions and making sure that that is reviewed and perhaps brought under a different system to make sure this doesn't happen again . again. >> well, meanwhile, the leader of the liberal democrats is accusing the post office of unleashing what he calls a conspiracy of lies against ministers. it comes as sir ed davey faces pressure over his role as postal affairs minister

dunng role as postal affairs minister during the coalition government at the time of the scandal . at the time of the scandal. labour will table a vote in parliament later calling for the release of the government's rwanda documents. it's the party is asking for any files that show the cost of relocating each asylum seeker to rwanda, and a list of all payments to rwanda's government . the party will also government. the party will also ask for a breakdown of more than 35,000 asylum decisions made last year. labour claims the government is refusing to come clean on the cost of the scheme, which is reportedly rising to some £400 million of taxpayers money. but the government says that rwanda is the deterrent that rwanda is the deterrent that the uk needs to stop illegal migration. two us airlines have found loose hardware during plane inspections. it's after a section of the fuselage fell from an alaska airline 737 max nine on friday. the plane had to make an emergency landing, but luckily no passengers were injured. the operator says it has since found some loose

hardware on several max nines . hardware on several max nines. meanwhile, united airlines says some bolts need additional tightening and that there have been installation issues relating to door plugs . oregon relating to door plugs. oregon high school teacher bob sauer discovered the missing alaska airlines plane door in his garden . garden. >> i could see that there was something gleaming white underneath the trees in the back that isn't normally there. and when i went to investigate it, it was very obviously part of a plane. it had the same curvature as the fuselage . it had a plane as the fuselage. it had a plane type window in it, and it was white, which is why it was gleaming back here in the uk. >> pothole related insurance claims have jumped 40% year on yeah claims have jumped 40% year on year. that's according to insurer admiral, who report 1300 claims were filed last year, compared to around 940 in 2022. the insurer says the cost of pothole related damage has also increased by 29% in 2023, compared with the previous year.

that's due to higher tech vehicles and general increase in the price of those repairs. student loans will apparently cost the government some £10 billion a year due to higher interest rates, according to the institute of. according to rather, the institute for fiscal studies, the government can now expect to make a loss on loans that are fully repaid by graduates. this also includes the loans, which have not been repaid due to increases in borrowing costs. the government, though , says it is working on though, says it is working on halving inflation this year and more snow is expected across the country as the uk health security agency issues an amber cold health alert for parts of england. the winter weather follows storm henk, which has left large areas of the country flooded and thousands of homes damaged. more than 100 flood warnings remain in place across the uk. weather journalist nathan rao told gb news that plummeting temperatures could make things worse . make things worse. >> areas along the river thames and the river trent, the river

nene , which are all suffering nene, which are all suffering from floods at the moment. >> those areas are going to continue to be at risk of flooding through the coming days. the cold days. now, with the cold temperatures, it just compounds the misery because with the clean operation , you know, the misery because with the clea getting eration , you know, the misery because with the clea getting ifation , you know, the misery because with the clea getting if you're you know, the misery because with the clea getting if you're flooded iv, the misery because with the clea getting if you're flooded , and getting if you're flooded, the you want is for the last thing you want is for temperatures to plummet. this is gb news. >> we're across the uk on tv, on digital radio, of course, on our website to gbnews.com now though. more from andrew and . bev >> very good morning. 10:08 tuesday morning. thank you for joining us here on britain's newsroom. you've been getting in touch at home. we've been talking about the post office scandal. of course, as barry says now i wonder why they're suddenly so much urgency by the government clear this in government to clear this out in five minutes but then, five minutes flat. but then, isn't because these people five minutes flat. but then, isn't been ause these people five minutes flat. but then, isn't been sufferinge people five minutes flat. but then, isn't been suffering since ole five minutes flat. but then, isn't been suffering since 1999? have been suffering since 1999? that the that is 25 years. the conservatives do not want this hanging them leading up hanging over them leading up to the general election. they obviously people obviously know that these people

are have killed are innocent. some have killed themselves some have to themselves and some have had to pay themselves and some have had to pay with everything pay their debts with everything they've some have been they've got, and some have been in in contact out here. in prison in contact out here. >> is a public inquiry >> there is a public inquiry underway. it started in 2021. you that will you know how long that will last? years. last? about 20,000 years. of course. up in 2023. course. it was set up in 2023. um the this crisis started in 1999 when a computer magazine exposed what was going on with these postmasters, got very little coverage. >> computer magazine. yeah. >> computer magazine. yeah. >> and then from 2010 to 2012, the office was ed the post office minister was ed davey, leader of lib davey, now the leader of the lib dems, away mr bates, dems, who turned away mr bates, the star of this tv drama, who quotes unquote said he was insulted by the language davie used. he was succeeded as post office minister by jo swinson, became lib dem leader norman lamb was another lib dem post office minister and they reported to their cabinet minister vince cable, a leader of lib dems . the lib dems are up of lib dems. the lib dems are up to their neck in this somebody. davie is all over it and somebody just sent me actually an that wrote, an article that you wrote, andrew in september of andrew in 20 in september of 2023, in which you shone a light

on the fact that not only did david do nothing about it, but after this he then went on to work for the legal firm that was defending fujitsu for the post office, effectively defending the fighting off the compensation claims from these hard working postmasters and post, some of whom have been to prison, some of whom had lost their homes, as david davies was saying, and was being paid saying, and he was being paid while was an mp. mr ed davey while he was an mp. mr ed davey £5,000 a month to represent this company. he said he didn't know they were representing. >> he's not a lawyer. let's remember. so he was just a kind of figurehead head, a sort of non—executive director , non—executive director, something that. something like that. >> £175,000 in three years. nice work if you can get it. >> isn't it really stinks? it really right more snow really does. right more snow expected across england today as the met office issues in london. amber cold health alert wasn't even this morning. even that cold this morning. >> yesterday . >> a flurry yesterday. >> a flurry yesterday. >> yeah, there was my children got so excited i can't tell you they're excited for about 90s. and then snow all disappeared .

and then snow all disappeared. of icy blast of course, this icy blast follows storm henk that left many areas flooded, leaving many unable to return to their homes and that image you are listening on the radio, on the tv at the moment is the that's where your friend. i believe this is the stains yeah. this is stains area. yeah. so this is west um just down the west of london. um just down the river from windsor and maidenhead. um, where msl was saying that perhaps those houses were protected by their mp. >> that was happened to be is theresa may may be a prime minister. >> right. let's go to our reporter lisa hartle, who is in ken right now. lisa kent is one of the areas hardest hit by the snow. even though we are south down, down here in this here, we normally expect scotland to be coldest . what is it like down coldest. what is it like down there? what kind of disruption has it caused ? has it caused? >> hello. well, overnight they had a sprinkling more, um , had a sprinkling more, um, flurry of snow, but mainly it landed here yesterday and you can see behind me now the snow still here? um, it's caused some

trouble on the roads. most of the roads, the main roads. overnight the gritters tackled. so that's safe for motorists. but as you come off the main roads onto ones, quieter roads onto smaller ones, quieter than one, they are and than this one, they are icy and motorists are to very motorists are having to very precarious along to precarious travel along to ensure get into ensure they don't get into a spin. there but this overnight, kent became the latest area to be added the list of areas be added to the list of areas under amber alert. um, all of england is under either yellow alert or amber alert for health warnings due to the cold weather and that's because during cold weather, vulnerable people and older people are more susceptible to things heart susceptible to things like heart attacks strokes chest attacks, strokes and chest infections . so the advice is for infections. so the advice is for people just to stay warm, to stay out of the cold where possible . okay. and they're possible. okay. and they're expecting temperatures to remain cold until the end of the week. and yet the advice is, as always with weather like this, be careful on the roads. be careful on the pavements. like like here. it's very icy. so just be careful you're and about, okay? >> thank you so much, lisa. lisa hartle in kent. let's go . i'm hartle in kent. let's go. i'm sorry. we can't. it's january .

sorry. we can't. it's january. we can't. i'm sorry, but andrew and i, we can't not be ourselves. that snow does not look that bad. okay well, i know, i remember. >> i mean , it's not snowman >> i mean, it's not snowman weather. apparently, we could get snowman weather in some part of country by the weekend. of the country by the weekend. well, my children will well, as i say, my children will be very excited about snowman weather. to weather >> let's go to weather consultant john kettley. john kettley are we going to have snowman weather by the weekend ? snowman weather by the weekend? >> uh, good morning, both of you. well, let me tell you first of all and let's invite some of our listeners and viewers to sendin our listeners and viewers to send in some photographs from the channel islands, because that's where the heaviest snowfall occurred overnight. and we don't say that very often. no but that's where there's been quite a good covering of snow in the channel islands, jersey, guernsey and probably alderney as that's where it's as well. so that's where it's been snowing. there been snowing. and there are a few still flurries going across now west country once now into the west country once again. lost the snow again. so we've lost the snow across of the uk. across most parts of the uk. it's clear it's very it's a clear day. it's very bitter course, we've got bitter of course, we've got a chilly wind blowing from the chilly wind blowing in from the east and that's the way

east out and that's the way things to stay for the things are going to stay for the next few days. there's very little serious, severe wintry weather to come side of weather to come this side of sunday, think talk sunday, so i think we can talk about frosts. about some hard frosts. certainly it —11 last night. certainly it was —11 last night. andrew be interested in andrew you'd be interested in that northern scotland and that up in northern scotland and —11 and aviemore . uh, —11altnaharra and aviemore. uh, but elsewhere it's just going to be a slow rise of temperature as we go through this week . but we go through this week. but things start to change in things will start to change in the second half of the weekend . the second half of the weekend. we will to see a blast of we will start to see a blast of arctic air coming back into scotland, so there will be some heavy certainly heavy snow, certainly over northern as we go northern scotland as we go through and then through sunday. and then eventually we're going to see the lines further the battle lines drawn further south as these arctic conditions come sweeping further south. >> sorry, john, i think i think andrew's ordering himself a sledge on amazon. that's all i can conclude he's doing. >> i was just thinking, john, what i'm curious about is this any worse than would expect any worse than you would expect at this time of year ? at this time of year? >> of course it isn't. >> no, of course it isn't. andrew, course isn't. it's andrew, of course it isn't. it's nothing, it's just that nothing, is it? it's just that we get a bit blase all the talk these days is about the warming

world, isn't it? more hot, world, isn't it? and more hot, dry droughts all dry summers, droughts and all the it. so every time it the rest of it. so every time it rains, seems to be a bit of rains, it seems to be a bit of a surprise. uh, but you know, part and parcel of this, uh, this global business is to global warming business is to get heavy the get some heavy rain in the winter, and do get serious winter, and we do get serious flooding, absolutely flooding, which is absolutely awful. that's awful. of course. and that's what's happening. at what's been happening. so at least there is a chance at the moment to see the river levels, river levels slowly, slowly river levels slowly, very slowly subside, issues subside, but still big issues for people who have been for many people who have been badly affected in past week badly affected in the past week or all right. but this or two. all right. but this wintry weather well wintry weather could well certainly be headline news as we go through next week, because there rain coming there will be heavy rain coming back towards from the southwest, coming in from the coming back in from the southwest, of the southwest, i should say, of the atlantic. that will meet atlantic. and that will meet that cold air coming down that arctic cold air coming down from so there's no from the north. so there's no doubt week places will doubt next week some places will see snowfall . see some heavier snowfall. >> thank you john. you can >> okay. thank you john. you can book that sled. you can order that that were that sled online that you were just trying get hold of london. >> if you do get heavy snow, you don't get much. the kids love it. exactly. they sledging it. exactly. they do go sledging and it's fabulous. >> now ian has said at home,

>> um, now ian has said at home, why doesn't the government declare a national emergency and sendin declare a national emergency and send in the military to build barriers the clear barriers to help with the clear up? is river flooding up? this is the river flooding that we've been looking at. that we've just been looking at. working orders working under their orders will be the council, outdoor office workers all helping out with this also this emergency, helping also with would to with the clear up would help to fit unemployed the asylum fit unemployed and the asylum seekers warm hotels . seekers lazing in warm hotels. oh, ian's got his war footing on there. i was quite intrigued by our other meteorologist who said , actually, the environment agency, normally just agency, which we normally just stick in, had actually stick the boot in, had actually done rather well in the last ten years in stopping more homes being was being flooded. that was interesting that was john hammond because hammond a little earlier because i can't imagine i've remember when there was a mains flood. >> that's what you get where i live in london. yes. uh pouring into people's homes and i thought, how terrible. yeah, it's not just water. >> it's not river water, it's sewage. >> sewage. just the end. >> sewage. just the end. >> um, and what else have you been saying at home? um. oh, here we go. chris has been talking about the floods as well. it seems that we all want

to blame someone for the flooding problems. it doesn't matter how deep you a matter how deep you dig a drainage the water will drainage ditch, the water will find level. that recent find its own level. that recent dinosaur fossil came from the cliffs, foot above sea cliffs, about 50 foot above sea level. did that. that was level. i did see that. that was awesome. this creature in awesome. this creature lived in the get there? the sea. how did it get there? we need to move to higher ground. and says on the ground. and neil says on the post it's a disgrace post office, it's a disgrace that the nerve of paula vennells. >> she was the chief executive, refusing her refusing to surrender her cbe. she the she shouldn't be given the opportunity to take you to a i couldn't agree more. along couldn't agree more. she, along with have blood on with many others, have blood on their sunak their hands. literally. sunak needs with and needs to deal with this and quick they can do it. it's good. called the office of forfeiture and by the cabinet and it's headed by the cabinet secretary three other secretary with three other members great good. members of the great and good. and decide the onus has and if they decide the onus has been into honours been brought into this honours brought the system into disrepute, take it disrepute, they can take it oven disrepute, they can take it over. on with it. over. we'll get on with it. >> yeah. okay the justice secretary is meeting with senior judges to discuss a mass judges today to discuss a mass pardon in pardon for those convicted in the horizon scandal. >> studio, this is >> well, in the studio, this is charlie roadie who worked for michael gove. charlie, um, this is appalling. and bev was making the point. it's what's perhaps even more appalling. it has

taken this tv to wake up taken this tv drama to wake up the entire country to what is probably the biggest miscarriage of justice meted out by our courts in many a year. absolutely >> and it shouldn't have taken this long and it's been an ongoing process through successive successive of governments. >> uh, and for years and years, people who have been wrongly convicted, their reputations have been damaged, their lives have been damaged, their lives have been damaged, their lives have been turned upside down. their , uh, have been their savings, uh, have been destroyed . people have died with destroyed. people have died with convictions hanging over their head when they have been wrongly convicted. those convictions need to be overturned immediately. compensation needs to then get out of the door to and do, uh, something which will go a little way. yeah uh, to, to, to recompense those people that have been wrongly accused and convicted. >> charlie faulkner, the former labour law chancellor who's now in the house lords, he said in the house of lords, he said if they brought the right legislation forward tomorrow, if they brought the right legiscould forward tomorrow, if they brought the right legiscould get vard tomorrow, if they brought the right legiscould getva|throughrow, if they brought the right legiscould getva|through inv, if they brought the right legiscould getva|through in the they could get it through in the same probably through same day and probably through the of lords next day. the house of lords the next day. they're cleared friday.

the house of lords the next day. they think�*ared friday. the house of lords the next day. they think that's friday. the house of lords the next day. they think that's absolutely >> i think that's absolutely right. i mean, there be right. i mean, there will be some ongoing conversation with the because the legal profession because there you to there may just be, you know, to put of the case put the other side of the case forward. there may be circumstances or a case or two, but where knows or one but where one knows or one postmaster may have been on, one postmaster may have been on, one postmaster know , postmaster might have, you know, dipped hand in the till, dipped their hand in the till, as were. you know, on as it were. but, you know, on the of which the amount of the scale of which the amount of money has that was accused money that has that was accused of being lost, the amount of thousands that thousands of pounds that subpostmasters and mistresses had themselves because subpostmasters and mistresses h.glitch themselves because subpostmasters and mistresses h.glitch a1emselves because subpostmasters and mistresses h.glitch a1emse|its because subpostmasters and mistresses h.glitch a1emse|it systemse a glitch in a faulty it system run fujitsu , who should run by fujitsu, who should absolutely stumping up the cash. >> why haven't they? >> why haven't they? >> this is not for the taxpayer necessarily. in totality to stump up. of course it should go to victims that are who are to the victims that are who are still there their still there and to their families. if fujitsu families. but if, if fujitsu have have a significant part have a have a significant part to play fallout that, to play in the fallout of that, it or knowledge that it system or knowledge that that system was faulty and yet continue to tell they the continue to tell if they the post office a disgrace. and post office is a disgrace. and that's the thing. if fujitsu do and office itself knew and the post office itself knew that system but that the system was faulty, but kept telling postmasters and kept telling the postmasters and mistress, no, you know, mistress, no, no, you know, you've only you've got to you're the only one. that's in the wrong

one. yeah, that's in the wrong you know, not seeing this you know, we're not seeing this across country . and that was across the country. and that was part conversation. the part of the conversation. the post office were their post office were telling their staff, the only one that staff, you are the only one that seems to have a fault. so it must so you have to pay must be you. so you have to pay the cash that's missing. that is must be you. so you have to pay titotalh that's missing. that is must be you. so you have to pay titotal disgrace.nissing. that is must be you. so you have to pay titotal disgrace. it'sing. that is must be you. so you have to pay titotal disgrace. it's a}. that is must be you. so you have to pay titotal disgrace. it's a it's1at is a total disgrace. it's a it's very much morality tale of our times. >> this charlie, because for anybody that's ever sat on a hold trying talk to a human hold trying to talk to a human being, when you're dealing with a tech issue, we've all been there. whether it's out there. whether it's sorting out your bill or trying to do your gas bill or trying to do something workplace and something in the workplace and in some ways, i love the fact that this story, as hideous as it is for all the people, and i think they should all be recompensed and have their reputations cleared. i like the fact that this is making us talk about a dystopian vision, because what was clear was there was no checks and balances, if that computer system was wrong and those people literally went through a legal process and ended up in prison, and no body was able to counter the misinformation that was being upon which they were accused. i

find that mind blowing . find that mind blowing. >> well, it's the mentality of big corporations or big government departments of computer says no. and you know, of course we must be right because the post office because it's the post office or it's government department and it's a government department and it's a government department and it's that we it's a similar situation that we saw we're with the saw and we're seeing with the blood infected inquiry. it was the and doctors and, you the nhs and doctors and, you know, a public health england sort of saying no, it's all okay. nothing to see here. no, actually products were actually the products were perfectly fine up until the point when we knew that they absolutely weren't. and those people still haven't been compensated. >> people trust the >> but how can people trust the state you've got. because state if you've got. because you're blood you're right, the infected blood scandal they're scandal appalling that they're still out now 30, still sorting that out now 30, 40 later. yes 40 years later. yes >> yeah. exactly. and we're not talking about i mean let's just, you know, people that worked in the not, the post office, they're not, you know, architects of a great train robbery. you these train robbery. you know, these are their are people that worked in their local yeah these local communities. yeah these were stalwarts , stalwarts of were stalwarts, stalwarts of their communities, ordinary, hard that were hard working people that were just right by just doing the right thing by their community been their community have been accused clearly accused wrongly so clearly because computer glitch. because of a computer glitch. but was prepared to

but no one was prepared to listen to person. listen to the person. >> its david and goliath >> its proper david and goliath stuff, it? and i think stuff, isn't it? and i think what it sort of tells me as well is you've got these is that you've got these corporate with corporate towns with this enormous power, and you've got too many politicians who are intimidated, impressed by huge corporations and possibly in the pocket of them as well. financially, doesn't matter financially, it doesn't matter if tech or if it's a tech company or a pharmaceutical company or a building company. there's corruption at the heart of this. for charlie. corruption at the heart of this. for well,charlie. corruption at the heart of this. for well, there's certainly >> well, there's certainly accountability that needs to be had as well. i you had as well. and i think, you know, longer miss vennells know, the longer miss vennells hides from the media and doesn't make any kind of statement. >> what terrible woman. >> what a terrible woman. >> what a terrible woman. >> think, you know, she'll >> i think, you know, she'll become even pressure become under even more pressure and is, you know, igniting a, you know, she's going to be stripped of that cbs she will be stripped of that cbs she will be stripped of that cbs she will be stripped of it. >> i can't the prime is >> i can't the prime minister is now backing and that now backing it. and that committee the four great committee of the four great members of the great good, they'll take it on. >> they don't use >> i just hope they don't use that as a bit of a token gesture to say they've done something, because that make any because that won't make any tangible those tangible difference to those people were ruined.

people whose lives were ruined. >> back the family. >> bring back the family. for the four the families who lost four people, it won't people, absolutely. it won't bnng bring them back. >> think they'll care >> i don't think they'll care about us right, charlie? good to see you as always, charlie rowley a fujitsu rowley there. a fujitsu spokesman said the current spokesman has said the current post horizon statutory post office horizon it statutory inquiry complex inquiry is examining complex events stretching back over 20 years knew years to understand who knew what, when what they did what, when and what they did with inquiries with that knowledge, inquiries reinforced a devastating impact on postmasters lives and that of their families and fujitsu has apologised role in their suffering. >> yeah, well, let's see the colour of your money. >> yeah, absolutely. there's any compensation needs paying. >> yeah, absolutely. there's any codoeslsation needs paying. >> yeah, absolutely. there's any codoes not on needs paying. >> yeah, absolutely. there's any codoes not come needs paying. >> yeah, absolutely. there's any codoes not come outeeds paying. >> yeah, absolutely. there's any codoes not come out ofs paying. >> yeah, absolutely. there's any co does not come out of the ying. it does not come out of the taxpayers it comes out taxpayers pockets. it comes out of pockets fujitsu who of the pockets of fujitsu who provided technology. of the pockets of fujitsu who provided alreadyiology. of the pockets of fujitsu who provided already paidy. of the pockets of fujitsu who provided already paid over £140 >> we've already paid over £140 million in taxpayers right . million in taxpayers right. >> moving on. bolts in need of tightening. that's not a sentence you want hear about sentence you want to hear about a hurtling through a plane hurtling through the sky. boeing 737 max have sky. but the boeing 737 max have been taken off the runways due, to quote what is described as rather in under stated way installation issues relating to door plugs . door plugs. >> mark white, our very own home security editor. he'll have the latest. this is britain's

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sunday mornings from 930 on gb news. who's . news. who's. >> 1027 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pearson. bev turner well united airlines get this. they found loose bolts and other installation issues on multiple 737 max nine aircraft. >> the boeing model that's been grounded after a panel blew off on an alaska airlines operated

plane mid—flight over weekend, is on your screen right now, so that was people that were on this aeroplane and basically the window blew out . can you think window blew out. can you think of anything more terrifying now? joining us now is our security edhon joining us now is our security editor, mark white. mark, just explain. if we completely understood this correctly, this is aeroplanes with bits that are just not tight enough. >> yeah. this is the stuff of nightmares. this real concern about this for anyone that flies andifs about this for anyone that flies and it's particular issues around the max nine, which is a variation of the 737 souped up max aircraft that's had its troubles in the past. the max eight fleet suffered two disastrous crashes back in 2019. unrelated to this, we should say, uh, engine related issues . say, uh, engine related issues. it cost more than 350 lives at that time . this relates to what that time. this relates to what are called side door plugs . um,

are called side door plugs. um, sounds a bit of a strange concept, but effective . it's concept, but effective. it's a hole in the fuselage that's plugged by another piece of fuselage that's bolted in, and it's there. it allows the airline, depending on the configuration of the aircraft , configuration of the aircraft, um, if they're carrying more passengers , they have to have passengers, they have to have more emergency exits. so they put emergency exits in there if they've not got more, uh , they've not got more, uh, passengers in the configuration they have, they don't need to put the exits in. they leave these plugs in. but if they're not bolted in properly, or there's some of defect with there's some kind of defect with that, clearly it seems that that, then clearly it seems that there's a potential these there's a potential for these door plugs to blow out at altitude . now, this aircraft was altitude. now, this aircraft was taking off from portland in oregon on friday. it had got to 16,000ft. so it was in that sort of , um. uh 16,000ft. so it was in that sort of, um. uh depressurised atmosphere out there that when the door blew, it blew out with force. there was a kid in one of

the seats there. luckily as it was still heading up to cruising altitude, everybody was strapped in. but some of the child's clothing was was blown off. the child. luckily the mother held on to the child, so the child wasn't sucked out of the aircraft . terrified, but some aircraft. terrified, but some real concern. there uh, now, subsequent to that , uh, the subsequent to that, uh, the federal aviation administration has ordered the grounding of around about 170 of these max nine aircraft as initial inspections are carried out. and these initial inspections shows very worryingly, alarmingly , we very worryingly, alarmingly, we have shown that there are loose bolts in this door plug section, uh, that are being reported on multiple aircraft by united airlines and also by alaska airlines and also by alaska airlines as well. they've they've found, uh, some issues around the door plugs as well. i mean , sorry, i was just going to mean, sorry, i was just going to say the national transportation safety board have been, uh, giving a news conference, uh,

within the last few hours . and within the last few hours. and this is what they've said about that ongoing investigation . that ongoing investigation. >> we are aware of the reports of that are coming back from the inspections from united and alaska and boeing, our team is collecting that information . and collecting that information. and there will be some follow up from the inspections . uh, but it from the inspections. uh, but it it right now we're focussed on this one. but we can go broader at any time . we don't have to at any time. we don't have to finish the investigation on, uh, to issue an urgent safety recommendation. we can do that any time. and we have done that for entire fleets before . for entire fleets before. >> well, these investigators have been aided by the fact that they have found this component, this door plug . it was found in this door plug. it was found in a back garden , uh, in some a back garden, uh, in some trees. let's listen to the gentleman that found it just came down as a single unit, um, and was lying in my backyard . and was lying in my backyard. >> so it was kind of caught in the trees at the time. they pulled it out , uh, and laid it

pulled it out, uh, and laid it out on the grass. and even though it was raining this morning, they up close and morning, they were up close and shining their lights on and shining their lights on it and taking pictures and starting to try out had try to figure out what had happened that. happened to cause that. >> i just to say this. i'm >> i just want to say this. i'm sorry. this is terrifying. >> uh, yeah, it is of concern because door plugs are not unique to the nine fleet, unique to the max nine fleet, right? so it does. you know, bnng right? so it does. you know, bring up concerns about could this be an issue going forward? >> but does it mean that routine checks haven't been done, that this is happening now? >> well, it might mean that actually the initial assembling of the aircraft when the airline says to the manufacturer, we want it in this configuration that that in putting these door plugs in on either there's issues with the bolts. they haven't been , uh, properly haven't been, uh, properly tightened . there's a design tightened. there's a design fault perhaps , where vibration fault perhaps, where vibration is, uh, loosening . we don't know is, uh, loosening. we don't know as yet. that will all form part of the ongoing investigation . of the ongoing investigation. but it's a real concern. clearly. >> certainly won't be asking for

a window seat anymore. i can tell you that after that. thank you. >> mark, you've got to put your seat belt. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. put on god. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. put on god. >> right. still to come this morning. can afford to have morning. can you afford to have children? a recent study children? well, a recent study has the raising has found the cost of raising three kids in london came in at just under £640,000. is just under £640,000. that is some powerful contraceptive some very powerful contraceptive incentive right there. that much more after your morning's news with sam . with sam. >> bev and andrew. thank you very much. good morning from the gb newsroom. i'm sam francis. the headlines at just after 1030, the justice secretary is holding crunch talks with judges as the government looks for ways to clear the names of staff that were caught up in the post office scandal. more than 700 were convicted, jailed, bankrupt and some their lives after and some took their lives after being accused theft . being wrongly accused of theft. to date, just 93 convictions have been overturned and only 30 have been overturned and only 30 have finalised compensation , have finalised compensation, with the government business minister kevin hollinrake says plans to speed up the remaining

cases will be announced very shortly. this could include new legislation to scrap the convictions that are being considered . shadow minister for considered. shadow minister for schools catherine mckinnell says more questions still need to be asked. >> everybody needs to look hard at who knew what, when and what decisions were taken and what could have been done to deliver justice more swiftly for the victims of this egregious mis carriage of justice. but ultimately, we know one of the issues that is being looked at issues that is being looked at is the system that the post office has been using to prosecute out these convictions , prosecute out these convictions, fines and making sure that that is reviewed and perhaps brought under a different system to make sure this doesn't happen again, as we've been hearing in the us, two airlines have found loose hardware during plane inspections . inspections. >> it's after a section of the fuselage fell from an alaska airlines 737 max nine aircraft on friday. the plane had to make an emergency landing, but luckily no passengers were injured, the operator says it

has since found some loose hardware on several max nine seconds. meanwhile united airlines says some bolts need additional tightening and there have been installation issues relating to door plugs . in the relating to door plugs. in the uk, more snow is expected across the country as the health security agency issues an amber cold health alert for parts of england. the winter weather follows storm henk, which has left large areas flooded and thousands of homes damaged. more than 100 flood warnings remain in place across the uk and uk. scientists who helped to create the technology for the moon mission are working to gather data from the spacecraft before it loses power. the peregrine mission one blasted into space yesterday but later encountered a fuel leak just after it launched. a fuel leak just after it launched . the probe aimed to launched. the probe aimed to land on the lunar surface at the end of february , but now less end of february, but now less than 40 hours of fuel remains before the spacecraft will start tumbling back to earth and you can get more on all of those

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that i knew had dewbs& co week nights from six. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> it is 1040. thank you very much for joining >> it is 1040. thank you very much forjoining us on britain's much for joining us on britain's newsroom this morning. we are now joined by political commentator and author tanya buxton gb news senior buxton and gb news senior political nigel political commentator nigel nelson. first of nelson. let's discuss, first of all, guys, new reform uk all, guys, new poll reform uk nigel, on 11% third party behind the tories and labour. this is quite exciting when it's going up. >> um, they still won't get any mps at the general election

because of our first past the post system. however, i mean, well , however, they are sort of well, however, they are sort of nudging towards the ukip high which was 15% around about around 2015 with the 2015 election, and they didn't get any mps either. >> and if i remember nigel, they had about 4 million votes for that election . that election. >> well, they've got yes, in fact, they've got a million votes for that, for that election. but even so, a million votes still get an votes and you still can't get an mp. um, i mean, obviously smaller parties constantly say we want to get rid of the present system. let's have proportional representation . so proportional representation. so it's reflected in the country. however um, had ukip had proportional representation , you proportional representation, you were probably looking at somewhere near 80 odd mps. so yeah. so would you want a ukip holding the balance of power? you've got to think about one of the arguments against that sort of voting system. >> that minority parties hold have disproportionate influence . have disproportionate influence. well, that's the point. >> i mean, one of the arguments

is, you know, the third, the third horse, come comes first. yeah. and you can see in other countries where they do have proportional representation, israel case israel is a classic case constantly . they constantly find constantly. they constantly find difficulties in forming a government. they've got to do coalition all the time with a number of different parties. the one benefit of our system is whether you like the party that wins or not, at least you have have one single party in government who can get things done. >> what do you think, tanya? >> what do you think, tanya? >> i mean, again, i don't know, because proportional represents motion does seem fairer to me. it means every single vote it means that every single vote has a power, whereas you feel like you're voting now. i mean, like, what am i going to do this year? what am i going to do? am i going to go and my i going to go and deface my vote? am going to do you know vote? am i going to do you know better that than to not vote better that than to not vote better that than to not vote better that not to not vote? i was maybe thing to was told that maybe the thing to do put a spanner in do to really put a spanner in the works is to actually pretend that you've voted, but make your vote disappear. and enough vote disappear. and if enough people then it people do that vote, then it causes a problem. i don't know,

i what to do because i don't know what to do because i don't know what to do because i people. i do not give people. >> you not give reform >> would you not give reform your votes? >> i would probably give reform my but it would be it's a my vote. but it would be it's a lost vote, isn't in many lost vote, isn't it? in many ways, it a vote for labour? ways, is it a vote for labour? labour 43, on 27? is labour on 43, tories on 27? is it not a vote for labour? it's not. >> and voting well, that's what the say of course. do the tories say of course. do they and of course, if, if they say and of course, if, if nigel farage hadn't stood down, so party candidates so many brexit party candidates against the tories last in 2019, bofis against the tories last in 2019, boris have an 80 boris would not have had an 80 seat boris would not have had an 80 sea he would not have exactly >> he would not have exactly that. mean, the proportional that. i mean, the proportional representation, which think representation, which i do think that something our that i think something in our system it system needs modernising. it definitely i feel definitely does. but i feel that proportional will definitely does. but i feel that propbring al will definitely does. but i feel that propbring in will definitely does. but i feel that propbring in some will definitely does. but i feel that propbring in some real will definitely does. but i feel that propbring in some real left will just bring in some real left field madness that we don't want. >> do you think ? >> do you think? >> do you think? >> but hang on a bit. it clutters up. it will clutter up parliament for years. yes, it will get resisted the house will get resisted in the house of a turn off a more of lords as a turn off a more democratic system. of lords as a turn off a more derouratic system. of lords as a turn off a more derour system em. of lords as a turn off a more derour system is]. of lords as a turn off a more derour system is actually not >> our system is actually not terribly on the basis terribly democratic on the basis that , um, terribly democratic on the basis that, um, only about 200,000 votes at a general election really count. so if you're in, for instance, i'm in a heavily

tory area . must love that . i'm tory area. must love that. i'm the only socialist in about 20 miles. um, but so my vote there , miles. um, but so my vote there, um, it makes no difference at all to the result. now, i'm not saying it's a wasted vote. i think you should always go and vote. um, if you don't want to vote. um, if you don't want to vote for a particular party, write a nice rude message to the candidates. they will see them because to look at all because they have to look at all those things. least turn those things. but at least turn up. just sit at home and up. don't just sit at home and think it's not worth doing. >> reforms plan more >> but if reforms plan is more of a ten year project, tanya, then i think they're realistic about their in this next about their chances in this next election . um, then surely election. um, but then surely a vote them helps there longer vote for them helps there longer time plan. >> to be honest with you . um, >> to be honest with you. um, ben habib and richard tice speak complete sense to me . they speak complete sense to me. they speak complete sense to me. they speak complete sense to me. they speak complete sense to me. and i feel like they're speaking to people like they're speaking to people like me. working public, you know, common sensical. of know, common sensical. none of this of rhetoric that we this kind of rhetoric that we get from someone like keir starmer, keir starmer , what does starmer, keir starmer, what does he say? all i hear is la la la la la la. can't hear what he's

la la la. i can't hear what he's saying. sunak was not saying. sunak again was not voted conservative voting voted by the conservative voting public. voted by the conservative voting pubuc.so voted by the conservative voting public. so he's in without a job. the two that i feel that do make a difference are richard and ben. so yes i they will and ben. so yes i mean they will get vote , but i just wish it get my vote, but i just wish it would mean more if ever they were to make a breakthrough. >> to tap into the >> it is to tap into the enormous popularity nigel enormous popularity of nigel farage, which will never be bigger. would argue, than it bigger. i would argue, than it is at moment, especially is at the moment, especially after extraordinary after his extraordinary performance and performance in the jungle. and even and i've never even i was voting and i've never voted program voted in that silly program before. exactly. and yet we still don't know what he's going to do. he's not. >> he's keeping it very close to his chest this is the time, his chest and this is the time, isn't it? >> pardon. is the best time >> pardon. this is the best time for reporter nigel. >> i think if nigel >> i think that that if nigel was actually lead it, we'd was to actually lead it, we'd see a completely different era. and that he that, and i think that he feels that, um, at height , and i think that he feels that, um, at height, he um, even at ukip's height, he came in the in the seat came second in the in the seat he contested . i went down there, he contested. i went down there, um , to see his campaign. i um, to see his campaign. i thought it was a shoo in, but people, all people wanted to shake his hand, but not actually

vote for him. um, and i think he's a bit bruised about. does he's a bit bruised about. does he want to stand for an eighth, eighth time? um, for to be an mp and then be defeated again? >> i think it's changed now because when you're a reality because when you're on a reality show get to show like that, people get to see your personality and you kind that he was kind of get to see that he was so reasonable and moderate, never temper. you know, never lost his temper. you know, all the others that we thought were stars of the were going to be stars of the show weren't. were they show actually weren't. were they the that fred that the people that fred and that awful, was her name influence? >> yeah. the influence. >> yeah. the influence. >> nella—rose nella—rose. you know, she was going know, she thought she was going to didn't. her to be the star. she didn't. her character through, and it character came through, and it wasn't so, you know, wasn't that nice. so, you know, he shone through that. so i think this is if he's going to do it, it's got to be now come on, knight, on nigel. on, knight, come on nigel. >> tanya sir keir starmer, >> so tanya sir keir starmer, what about him what have we learned about him and when he was and his time when he was working? he makes a lot of the fact that he's worked pro bono as working for free. as a lawyer, working for free. he. he boasting about it he. and he was boasting about it that had decades of that he's had decades of international all good. >> oh my goodness me. if you're going to work for free, shouldn't you work for someone that's and decency?

that's decent and for decency? and free? and in and shouldn't he be free? and in this? ultimately, in this? well, ultimately, and in this? well, ultimately, and in this he meddling this country, who he is meddling in countries, people in other countries, the people that off are people. that he's got off are people. this a murdering this one man, a murdering monster who buried his two year old stepchild alive. another man that he got off, uh, slaughtered his girlfriend and nine month old baby by stabbing them in the neck. another he stopped neck. another person he stopped from penalty. from getting the death penalty. um it just on. it's like um it just goes on. it's like a it's like a catalogue of evil fiends it's like a catalogue of evil fiends that he has intervened , fiends that he has intervened, interfered in their country to stop the death sentence. >> but why? why didn't you have important things to do here? >> i don't understand that. our post why isn't he post office. yeah. why isn't he doing now? she thinks that doing that now? she thinks that really matter into context , please. >> which is that what he was doing at time was he was a doing at the time was he was a human rights lawyer between 22 and 2014. and he was campaigning against the death penalty. right. so to campaign against the death penalty obviously means defending criminals who've been sentenced to death, even some monsters, they were there because they buried their child ,

because they buried their child, buned because they buried their child, buried their child because they were being sentenced to death. they were monsters. you're right. but he was. >> he wouldn't represented >> he wouldn't have represented that any circumstance. >> it obviously depends on whether you believe in death whether you believe in the death penalty or not. if you do, you would no, go into would say, no, don't go into this. all he was doing was this. but all he was doing was he was saying the death penalty is being is wrong. it's still being being used in some some commonwealth countries , in the caribbean, in countries, in the caribbean, in africa , he was campaigning africa, he was campaigning against it, irrelevant of the morality of the people that he was to save. they are irrelevant. they become, they become irrelevant to the to the issue. you're trying to commit, you're trying to campaign against. this is the problem with these human rights lawyers, which really i mean, i used to which i really i mean, i used to think were wonderful think that they were wonderful people, that people, and i now know that they're just not. >> reality is, is they >> and the reality is, is they for the campaign. it's rather for the campaign. so it's rather push campaign forward to get push his campaign forward to get rid penalty and rid of the death penalty and help absolute fiends off help get absolute fiends off than actually look at the cases . than actually look at the cases. there must have been other cases that he could have dealt with and not touched. >> well, they're not they've got

to sentenced death be to be sentenced to death to be able actually, um, put the able to actually, um, put the case the privy council case before the privy council back.is case before the privy council back. is privy council back here? >> what right do we have to allow countries infamous? allow other countries infamous? >> what country? what right do we other because we have to tell other because their is linked to their legal system is linked to ours. oui's. >> ours. >> so ultimately we can decide whether that is whether or not that that is actually way forward. actually a legal way forward. and what happened in this and that's what happened in this case. so the only way he could do it was to defend people who i'm not denying. these are appalling people . but if you're appalling people. but if you're campaigning against the death penalty, you have to take the case that you're dealing with and argue they shouldn't be executed. >> but i want to put the man back into this. and the man put the back this because the man back into this because this the man that wants to be this is the man that wants to be leader of britain. and i don't think he has the right morals to be of. think he has the right morals to be so of. think he has the right morals to be so you>f. think he has the right morals to be so you think he doesn't have >> so you think he doesn't have offends someone buried offends someone who's buried there? >> t- t— t old stepson, a live. >> two year old stepson, a live. >> two year old stepson, a live. >> so you he have >> so you think he doesn't have a line when it a strong enough line when it comes law and order? tanya, comes to law and order? tanya, effectively, i really do not. >> and i just i just think that

he's there's kind of there's a he's there's a kind of there's a the left field. i don't the kind of left field. i don't know i get called right wing know why i get called right wing because i don't feel i'm because i don't feel like i'm right a left right wing. but there's a left way of thinking reform. >> there's a left way of thinking. >> that means that it >> that just means that it doesn't what you do doesn't matter what you do or what bad you are, what crime or how bad you are, you should be let off. it's wrong. >> of course. nigel made >> of course. nigel farage made the point last night on this on this station that he could have. because a way, because there is a way, as director of public prosecutions, he could have intervened into what gathering what was clearly a gathering growing sense of huge injustice against and against these postmasters and postmasters. could also have postmasters. he could also have stopped the prosecutions. nigel, he chose not to. >> well, hang on, he couldn't. yes he could. >> no, it's here. i've got it here. it's the section six of the prosecution of offences act 1985. >> but we still have a system in this country private this country of private prosecution . prosecution. >> he has the power to >> yes, but he has the power to intervene on it. >> okay. all right. well, i haven't actually, i'm saying i haven't actually, i'm saying i haven't been a director of pubuc haven't been a director of public prosecutions. >> he should have known that. and if you didn't know that, why didn't he? and as dpp, why didn't he? and as dpp, why didn't well, at least

didn't he? well, at least investigate it. >> to the point, >> i mean, more to the point, why the post go go why didn't the post office go go to the to the crown prosecution service to actually get these prosecutions sorted out? >> because do their >> well, because they do their own prosecutions. >> and that's the issue >> i know, and that's the issue that has to dealt with, that that has to be dealt with, that that has to be dealt with, that private prosecutions that the private prosecutions are for anybody. if the are there for anybody. if the state is actually not not acting as you wish them to do. but the trouble is they're only used by big organs nations, because you need pockets . it costs need deep pockets. it costs a lot of money. yeah. the question is, should we have that system where people can launch private prosecution lines, including the post office? >> . well, i want to do this >> okay. well, i want to do this one story. then before we run out guys, this is out of time. guys, this is raising children. tanya has become expensive on almost become more expensive on almost every past every front in the past few years. total cost of raising years. the total cost of raising three children a couple in three children for a couple in london earning 50 a london each earning 50 grand a yean london each earning 50 grand a year, to come to year, is estimated to come to just under £640,000. >> and this is this is the cut off. is it 18? >> and you carry on paying for them after 18? >> both of us university. you know i've got four children. >> you know my eldest is 27.

there is no cut off at 18, ten. >> you. yeah. and yeah it is really expensive to have children, but can children, but nothing can compare to it is to be compare to what it is to be a parent. >> do you think bring someone into the world? >> you think though, parents? >> do you think though, parents? >> do you think though, parents? >> because we didn't used to it didn't to this much to didn't used to cost this much to have children. think have children. do you think we're as parents? we we're just now as parents? we just much money on our just spend too much money on our children. be having children. we should be having more spending less more children and spending less on them. maybe >> think that the material >> i think that the material things to one of the things have to go. one of the one things i will say is that and what kills my finances is the that i buy in my house. the food that i buy in my house. i try really hard to buy good, clean because i'm clean food because i'm a nutritionist, i don't want to nutritionist, so i don't want to have food that's pumped full of, you chemicals and hormones you know, chemicals and hormones and my money and that's where all my money goes. really that goes. i don't really buy that many children, but many things for my children, but the buying good food, the cost of buying good food, there's lots cheap food out there. >> now you're going organic >> now you're going to organic shops or the posh bit of supermarkets? no. >> well, i do try and buy >> well, no. i do try and buy organic in whatever supermarket, whether or tesco's whether it be aldi or tesco's or waitrose whatever. waitrose or whatever. it's nevertheless go for nevertheless i try and go for organic. i don't want hormone induced meat children, or induced meat for my children, or

same vegetables, same with the vegetables, especially being grown especially if it's being grown under ground. you need under the ground. it's you need to it's organic to make sure it's organic because otherwise you're going to pesticides to be eating those pesticides and agree, and fertilisers. so i do agree, it's really, really expensive to have i do think that have children. i do think that there's this keeping with the there's this keeping up with the joneses things for your joneses buying things for your children, don't children, which i just don't fall all of my children fall into. all of my children have jobs. they can buy have got jobs. they can all buy things. sometimes might match things. sometimes i might match what they're spending. so, you know, saved £100, know, if they've saved up £100, i them £100 on top i might give them £100 on top because i can how much they because i can see how much they want something. things want something. so things like that. think that we that. and i do think that we need stop this of need to stop this kind of consumerism that got in consumerism that we've got in parenting moment. it is parenting at the moment. it is expensive children, but expensive having children, but that's for. that's what we're here for. we're to procreate. we're we're here to procreate. we're here know, children. >> it's think that's such >> and it's i think that's such an interesting point that tanya makes, though, nigel, about the fact that now feel have fact that you now feel you have to buy things your children. to buy things for your children. yeah. a generational issue, yeah. it's a generational issue, isn't it? >> e“- e the children are >> and now the children are digital so the actual digital so that the actual things lot more. things cost an awful lot more. i think the issue really is childcare. mean, that childcare. i mean, that childcare. i mean, that childcare incredibly childcare is incredibly expensive that expensive until we can sort that out. um parent parenting is out. um it parent parenting is going expensive. of going to be expensive. and of

course, can't go back to course, parents can't go back to work have pay , um, work if they have to pay, um, £15,000 childcare. the £15,000 for childcare. the problem also is it's not just the childcare, way that the childcare, it's the way that we've evolved do we've now evolved that we do need wage in family. >> because really, when you have children, as a mother, you you should. i mean, come full should. i mean, i've come full circle this. i've done the circle on this. i've done the whole feminist thing. you should stay bring up your stay home and bring up your child, they get to child, at least till they get to school, that that really school, because that that really benefits child. can't benefits the child. but we can't afford to do that now. >> a very controversial point to lend it on. >> got move lend it on. » got lend it on. >> got move on, guys, >> we've got to move on, guys, but will be back in the next but you will be back in the next houn but you will be back in the next hour. we're going to be talking to the former post office minister, paul scully in the studio the ongoing studio next about the ongoing honzon studio next about the ongoing horizon scandal. horizon it scandal. don't go anywhere. a brighter outlook with of with boxt solar, sponsors of weather . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> alex deakin here with your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. for most, it's another dry, cold one out there today. many of us seeing some blue sky and a bit of sunshine, but it feels particularly cold in the wind across the south. that's high pressure, that's dominating,

keeping things but the keeping things dry, but the squeeze meaning squeeze in the isobars meaning this pretty this easterly wind pretty noticeable in the south, brought some flurries yesterday. some snow flurries yesterday. 1 or 2 this morning in the far south—west they are scooting away. so as i said, most places dry quite a bit of sunshine around as well. brightening up in devon and cornwall, staying fairly cloudy though over northeast england and eastern scotland. i think keep scotland. i think we'll keep it a here in the a lot of cloud here in the sunshine, temperatures struggling three, four, maybe five degrees celsius. feeling colder with the winds. parts of the highlands of scotland may not get above freezing. some stubborn patches in and stubborn fog patches in and around my may well around inverness. my may well stick throughout the day . stick throughout the day. overnight we'll see the clouds spilling back eastern spilling back in across eastern scotland and northern england, so should help keep the so that should help to keep the temperatures and may just temperatures up and may just see 1 2 coming in here as 1 or 2 showers coming in here as well. but for most in the south it's clear. it's cold, it's frosty again, the stopping, frosty again, the wind stopping, temperatures dropping far temperatures dropping too far but making for a feel again but making for a cold feel again tomorrow . again. much of the tomorrow. again. much of the south dry sunny, but south dry and sunny, but a cloudier for northern cloudier day for northern england . most scotland, parts

england. most of scotland, parts of northern ireland. there will be showers drifting in. be a few showers drifting in. there'll of rain rather than there'll be of rain rather than of snow. the west coast of scotland hang to some scotland should hang on to some sunshine temperatures just sunshine and temperatures just creeping , but colder creeping up, but feeling colder where cloudier so that warm where it's cloudier so that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers i >> sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> thanks, aidan. we've got the former post office minister, paul scully in the studio. he's got a lot to say about the way this disgraced way postmaster post office has been treated. you're listening you're talking you're listening to britain's newsroom, watching britain's news,

channel. it's 11 am. on tuesday, the 9th of january. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with me, andrew pierce and bev turner. >> very good morning. so the post office are measures post office scandal are measures to post office to help support post office workers suffered at the workers who suffered at the hands the it scandal in hands of the it scandal in coming our political editor christopher the latest . christopher hope has the latest. on the cabinet meets and has met discussed the post office scandal, but what measures will they take to make life easier for the hundreds of subpostmasters affected ? subpostmasters affected? >> meanwhile , the postal affairs >> meanwhile, the postal affairs minister at the centre of this, sir ed davey, has refused calls to resign as lib dem leader and the former post office chief executive , paula vennells. well, executive, paula vennells. well, she's staying silent and she's still clinging on shamelessly to

her cbe and cold snap her wrap up warm out there. >> britain's sea snow and ice caused disruption as the met office warns of temperatures plunging to as low as minus nine degrees c . degrees c. >> too many white boxes. the chairman of channel 4 has launched a protest against the appointment of four white directors to its board . by the directors to its board. by the way, he's . white. way, he's. white. >> ice extraordinary that story . >> ice extraordinary that story. >> ice extraordinary that story. >> channel 4 chairman of the channel four says somebody rather forgotten his name . and rather forgotten his name. and he says, why does they come? and he's complaining about four new directors or why can't they if they get perhaps they got the job on merit. >> maybe. who knows. it's one of those thought. >> one of those on merit >> it's one of those on merit sticky it, that we sticky issues, isn't it, that we just know where we are at just don't know where we are at the moment? >> cheshire, is the >> ian cheshire, i think, is the guy um, we don't know guy that, um, we don't know where we are the moment, do

where we are at the moment, do we, on this sort of identity politics stuff, because you've got people like say, who politics stuff, because you've got jhavee like say, who politics stuff, because you've got jhave been say, who politics stuff, because you've got jhave been voted ay, who politics stuff, because you've got jhave been voted ay,onio will have been voted in on merit, but the calls to say, merit, but why the calls to say, well, it's not representative of a of a diverse country. i think channel 4 very job channel 4 does a very good job actually, of representing the diversity country. diversity of this country. >> views news their news >> gb views gb news their news programme .com is the email address. >> let us know your thoughts. first you're very latest first though, you're very latest news sam harris . bev and andrew. >> thank you very much. good morning from the gb newsroom i'm sam francis. the headlines at 11. the justice secretary is holding crunch talks with the judge as the government looks for ways to clear the names of staff that are caught up in the post office scandal. more than 700 staff were convicted and jailed, bankrupt and some took their after being wrongly their lives after being wrongly accused of theft . to date, just accused of theft. to date, just 93 convictions have been overturned and only 30 finalised compensation , with the compensation, with the government business minister kevin hollinrake says plans to speed up the remaining cases would be announced very shortly. that include new

that could include new legislation to scrap the convictions that are being considered. shadow minister for schools catherine mckinnell, though, says that more questions still to asked . still need to be asked. >> everybody to look hard >> everybody needs to look hard at who knew what, when and what decisions were taken and what could have been done to deliver justice more swiftly the justice more swiftly for the victims egregia , this victims of this egregia, this miscarriage of justice? yes, but ultimately, we know one of the issues that is being looked at issues that is being looked at is the system that the post office has been using to prosecute these convictions and making sure that that is reviewed and perhaps brought under a different system to make sure this doesn't happen again . sure this doesn't happen again. >> meanwhile, the leader of the liberal democrats is accusing the post office of unleashing what he calls a conspiracy of lies against ministers. it comes as sir ed davey faces pressure over his role as postal affairs minister in the coalition government at the time of the scandal . labour will table scandal. labour will table a vote in the parliament, later

calling for the release of the government's rwanda documents. as the party is asking for any files that show the cost of relocate each asylum seeker to the african nation, and a list of all payments to rwanda's government. it will also ask for a breakdown of more than 35,000 asylum decisions made last year. labour claims the government is refusing to come clean on the cost of the scheme, which is reportedly rising to . some reportedly rising to. some £4,400 million of taxpayers money. but the government says the rwanda scheme is the deterrent that the uk needs in the us , two airlines have found the us, two airlines have found loose hardware during plane inspections . it's after inspections. it's after a section of the fuselage fell from an alaskan airlines 737 max nine on friday. the plane had to make an emergency landing, but luckily no passengers were injured . the operator says it injured. the operator says it has since found some loose hardware on several max nines. meanwhile, united airlines says some bolts need additional tightening and that there have been installation issues relating to door plugs. oregon

high school teacher bob sauer discovered the missing alaskan airlines plane door in his garden . garden. >> i could see that there was something gleaming white underneath the trees in the back that isn't normally there , and that isn't normally there, and when i went to investigate it, it was very obviously part of a plane. it had the same curvature as the fuselage . it had a plane as the fuselage. it had a plane type window in it, and it was white, which is why it was gleaming back here in the uk. >> pothole related insurance claims have jumped 40% year on yeah claims have jumped 40% year on year. that's according to insurer admiral, whose reporting 1300 claims were filed last yeah 1300 claims were filed last year. that's compared . with year. that's compared. with around 940 in 2022. the insurer says the cost of pothole related damage has also increased by 29% in 2023, compared with the previous year. they say that's due to higher tech vehicles and a general increase in the price of repair as mean . while student of repair as mean. while student loans will reportedly cost the

government £10 billion a year due to higher interest rates, according to the institute of fiscal studies, the government can now expect to make a loss on loans that are fully repaid by graduates. this also includes loans which have not been repaid due to increases in borrowing costs, the government says it's working on more than halving inflation this year , and more inflation this year, and more snow is expected across the country as the uk health security agency issues an amber cold health alert for parts of england . the winter weather is england. the winter weather is following storm henk, which left a large areas of the of the air. large areas flooded and thousands of homes damaged. more than 100 flood warnings remain in place across the uk. weather journalist nathan rao told gb news earlier that plummeting temperatures could make things worse . woi'se. >> worse. >> areas along the river thames, the river trent , the river nene the river trent, the river nene which are all suffering from floods at the moment, which are all suffering from floods at the moment , those floods at the moment, those areas are going to continue to be at risk of flooding through the coming days. now, with the

cold temperatures, it just compounds the misery because with the clean up operation, you know, getting if you're know, and getting if you're flooded, last thing want flooded, the last thing you want is for temperatures to plummet. >> science artists who >> and uk science artists who helped to create technology for the moon mission are working together to gather data from the spacecraft before it loses power. the peregrine mission one blasted into space yesterday, but then encountered a fuel leak shortly after it launched . the shortly after it launched. the probe aimed to land on the lunar surface at the end of february , surface at the end of february, but now just less than 40 hours of fuel remains before the spacecraft will start tumbling . spacecraft will start tumbling. that's the latest from the gb news room. for more, we're across the uk on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. just say play gb news now, though, it's back to andrew and . bev >> very good morning. thank you for sticking with us and joining us here on britain's newsroom. what have you been saying at

home? sue said i remember the honzon home? sue said i remember the horizon scandal. watched horizon scandal. i've watched the can't believe they the drama. i can't believe they didn't it could be didn't think it could be the database, kept saying the database, and kept saying to the post they post office masters that they are ones having are the only ones having problems. it's awful. the local mp helped in south mp that helped jo in south warnborough only that warnborough was the only mp that did help . worst scandal ever in did help. worst scandal ever in britain. vennells britain. paula vennells has a lot answer became vicar. >> yeah, that's the chief executive . executive. >> she became a vicar. >> she became a vicar. >> she became a vicar. >> she did. she stood down as a vicar, but she's still in holy orders. and stephanie says the post office scandal is beyond appalling. one of the many things needs is things that needs addressing is why prosecutions for why are prosecutions only for the little people? do the the little people? why do the bosses, vennells, bosses, like paula vennells, never prosecuted? to never get prosecuted? we need to get yeah. get some answers. yeah, yeah. >> of you were incensed >> a lot of you were incensed about this. and phyllis said, i'm wondering all i'm just wondering where all the human were for human rights lawyers were for all of these poor people. if it was immigrants the was illegal immigrants and the like, victimised, they'd like, being victimised, they'd be they'd right there. our be they'd be right there. our own don't seem own people's rights don't seem to obvious by the to count. it was obvious by the amount that it amount of people accused that it wasn't it's disgusting. >> well, sir, ed davey, he's the lib dem leader. he's been criticised , quite rightly, my criticised, quite rightly, in my view, letting victims of the

view, for letting victims of the honzon view, for letting victims of the horizon scandal down when he was postal in 2010 postal affairs minister in 2010 and 2012. >> here's locals in david's >> here's what locals in david's constituency kingston constituency of kingston and surbiton the dem surbiton think of the lib dem leader . leader. >> again, in >> but then again, in retrospect, you never know. >> um, what's coming in the future when you're living in the present? >> i think he should resign. resign as mp and as the mp for kingston upon thames and surbiton , because i think it's surbiton, because i think it's disgraceful. they're not actually doing the job well. >> they're supposed to be doing is what people voted them in for. then what's the point like? it's just exploiting the position. >> i guess i'm not really doing what they're supposed to be doing. >> he's the guy that knows a lot about it, so he should either , about it, so he should either, uh, you know, to help it move forward and help get people, get the, uh, the compensation . the, uh, the compensation. >> well, we're joined now by gb news political editor, christopher hope. chris, this is a big, big problem for ed davey. he was the postal affairs minister for those two years. and he, of course, famously told

alan, um bates, the star, if you like , of this tv drama that it like, of this tv drama that it was no point even meeting him and mr bates wrote back saying he thought he'd been using insulting language . he just insulting language. he just didn't the right questions. didn't ask the right questions. when he was minister. did he? >> i mean , ed davey says in >> no. i mean, ed davey says in the guardian today that he had these advice from officials and he what the post office he believed what the post office were andrew and were telling him. but andrew and bev, if you take a step bev, i think if you take a step back from all this, the problem is that established aren't is that the established aren't the people me in the people around me in whitehall . parliament number 10, whitehall. parliament number 10, even just chose not to believe people. they believe computers . people. they believe computers. they believed advisors . they they believed advisors. they didn't listen to sub postmasters and subpostmasters in all the communities that we serve at gb news are people who are pillars of their community, community, who are out there , um, who are out there, um, supporting, helping pensioners get their pensions. there are people who are widely respected and for them to be ignored for so long, and hundreds of people here complaining about the system being wrong and not being

believed, then tory believed, and then the tory government gave vennells government gave paula vennells a cbe when she stood down in 2019 as the ceo of the post office. after scores of these convictions have been quashed in a court of appeal. it beggars belief there's no question that ed davey has got questions to answer, he was, of course, a post office minister 2010 to 2012, and he says, well, i did what i was told, but why didn't he challenge officials more? he is not off the hook on this, but i think there's a wider issue for the entire political establishment. >> all right. that's christopher hope studio with us now hope in the studio with us now is the conservative and is the conservative mp and former minister paul former post office minister paul scully. your job scully. paul your job is minister. scully. paul yourjob is minister. when were post minister. when you were post office minister, you are you not supposed to challenge the whole time you, time what comes before you, whether officials, whether it's from officials, civil post office civil servants or post office executives ? executives? >> totally. absolutely. >> yeah, totally. absolutely. look, think when you look look, um, i think when you look at ed davey, this isn't a party political thing because actually you've lib dem ministers, you've had lib dem ministers, you've had lib dem ministers, you've conservative you've had conservative ministers, you've had labour ministers, you've had labour ministers the ministers that have overseen the post during the time of post office during the time of horizon. but it's the job of a

minister to ask probing questions , to get under the skin questions, to get under the skin and see both sides. you're right that, uh, uh , you know, ed that, uh, uh, you know, ed should have clearly seen alan bates met and heard the bates and met and heard the other of the story. it's other side of the story. it's something i relatively something i did relatively early, i took the early, and indeed i took the opposite try and start opposite view to try and start the solution problem. the solution for the problem. the court case that fought the court case that he fought and won, they settled, and it meant that they actually were disadvantaged in the amount that they got, unlike other people. so my solution was to get the phone number of alan bates from lord arbuthnot and give him a ring. probably broke every ministerial rule in the book in doing it just me doing so, because it was just me and but i said, right, and him. but i said, right, alan, how do we sort this out? and it was that human touch approaching people that that was, sort of helped was, um, i think sort of helped start the solution. it's still not finished by the way, congratulations to you for your work the last year or two. work over the last year or two. i um, uh gb news. i remember, um, uh gb news. nicola arch, one of the subpostmasters was on here, not that long ago when there was not that long ago when there was not that much else going on in the news. were covering.

news. you were covering. >> andrew about it in >> and andrew wrote about it in the on several occasions, the mail on several occasions, and were discussing this and we were discussing this morning is morning how fascinating it is that it didn't capture the pubuc that it didn't capture the public um till this public imagination. um till this drama. i trying to cast drama. and i was trying to cast my mind back when seen my mind back of when i'd seen this you know what? i this story. and you know what? i think conclusion well, think my conclusion was? well, there's no smoke without fire, is there? and also, well, it's a bit complex can't quite bit complex and i can't quite i you know, it doesn't affect me. flick through the newspaper. there's a of people were there's a lot of people were doing, wasn't it. and thinking it's issue as well. it's a tech issue as well. >> news broken in >> the news was broken in computer weekly. so, you know, it coming out of a technical it was coming out of a technical magazine and did amazing magazine and they did an amazing work can work on that. but people can only hold sort of big issues and understandably, that's a understandably, that's not a criticism how people criticism. it's just how people are. beings in the are. it's human beings in the same you know, you've got same way, you know, you've got the gaza conflict going the israel gaza conflict going on, means people are on, which means fewer people are talking which talking about ukraine, which means talking means fewer people are talking about to no one's about yemen next to no one's talking the rohingya talking about the rohingya crisis in crisis and the civil war in burma anymore. all these burma anymore. and all these things, move to things, because you move on to the next thing, people living busy lives. >> but in i think what >> but in a way, i think what that me is we've got that tells me is that we've got a political class who are

reacting to the media the reacting to the media all the time, all very well time, and it's all very well that as the media are working that we as the media are working out what is going to hold people's attention, that in people's attention, be that in a newspaper on a broadcast. but newspaper or on a broadcast. but surely, therefore, politicians should be looking in other places, looking under stones that at. that we aren't looking at. >> yeah, should be. but >> yeah, they should be. but politicians are human too and i think it works. it actually works ways, because if you, works both ways, because if you, you you're you know, from what you're saying, absolutely right. saying, you're absolutely right. yesterday in parliament, it was nearly chamber as we nearly packed the chamber as we were exact were talking about the exact same last day same thing on the last day before christmas. was next before christmas. there was next to uh, hardly any to no one there, uh, hardly any speakers. and so, know, speakers. uh, and so, you know, people are suddenly come back themselves that themselves realising that they're sort of they're asking those sort of questions. what give questions. but what it does give ministers hollinrake, ministers like kevin hollinrake, my doing my successor, who's doing brilliant done brilliant work now, he's done very it. it gives him very well on it. it gives him the leverage because actually it's not just other mps, it's not just the other mps, it's not just the other mps, it's other ministers and other officials and treasury and cabinet office and, and, and these sort of people, it lifts them up as the salience goes up them up as the salience goes up the list as well. so he can get a little bit more quicker action when he's knocking on door. when he's knocking on the door. people to listen. people are more ready to listen. >> important now is >> what's most important now is

it, get these, it, paul, that we get these, these men and women, the pardons they deserve? yeah, that they get reputations back . get their reputations back. although how you bring back the years their life they've years of their life they've lost. you can't some have lost. you can't and some have taken own lives. know taken their own lives. we know that have died that anyway. some have died before can be before their names can be cleared. and also the money side. money side, obviously side. the money side, obviously very why the very important. why should the taxpayer pick the entire taxpayer pick up the entire bill, they've done bill, which is what they've done so fat cat so far. when this fat cat corporation fujitsu corporation called fujitsu suppued corporation called fujitsu supplied it system, supplied this dodgy it system, which now know was faulty which we now know was faulty dunng which we now know was faulty during pilot , which we now know was faulty during pilot, kevin jones during the pilot, kevin jones exposed that the labour mp dunng exposed that the labour mp during the pilot they haven't paid a penny. >> and inevitably i suspect >> no. and inevitably i suspect they will have to. i think that will come towards the end. the inquiry that will get the questions the accountability questions and the accountability will uh, will come soon will come. uh, will come soon enough. sorry to interrupt you. >> that inquiry is going on so long. >> it is. look, it's going on a lot longer than i had envisaged it. which is originally it. which is why originally i set it up as non—statutory inquiry. because what i want, i wanted answers and wanted speedy answers and i didn't money going to didn't want money going to lawyers, which could otherwise go uh, it became

go to victims. uh, but it became apparent was too apparent that it was too technical. a of technical. there were a lot of stuff said really had to stuff said that really had to go. um statutory in that format. but i think you do have to but look, i think you do have to if get quashed the if you get quashed the convictions, kevin and the convictions, as kevin and the lord to do lord chancellor are trying to do now, those people now, that allows those people access compensation, which access to compensation, which they wouldn't otherwise have, then got to the then you've got to get the compensation and the restoration . not going to be . you're clearly not going to be able people's lives. able to restore people's lives. exactly. you've had people exactly. back you've had people commit suicide. people have died. people bankrupt, and died. people are bankrupt, and people's health is shot people's mental health is shot and these kind of things. but you everything can you can do everything you can and can get your and then you can get your answers. so it's sort of you have to do things in order of the thing do, basically. >> and who, who is going to be who are the people who are going to be swinging on the hook to be swinging on the giant hook right now? today who. because because we're ed davey because we're saying ed davey clearly got questions to clearly has got questions to answer as a successor . answer as a successoi’. >> answer as a successor. >> post office ministerjo swinson , who went on jo swinson swinson, who went on jo swinson um, are we going to see those people all questioned? >> are they part of the inquiry that the statutory inquiry? >> ed davey has already

>> i think ed davey has already said to sit in said that he's happy to sit in front of the inquiry and give evidence he's been there already. >> amazing. >> amazing. >> i'm surprised. so >> yeah, i'm surprised. so i think haven't got to that think they haven't got to that stage inquiry because stage of the inquiry because a part of the problem, i think, with inquiry is that the with the inquiry is that the post have been disclosing post office have been disclosing last minute, and last minute, thousands and thousands documents . thousands of pages of documents. so then gets pushed so it's always then gets pushed back is in the interest back as is this, in the interest of slowing down of transparency or slowing down the wheels of sunlight the wheels of justice? sunlight is yeah. the best is the uh, yeah. the best disinfectant and all that. but look, so we've to keep look, uh, so we've got to keep pushing, but so clearly you've seen post seen from the drama, the post office were obviously trying to double recuse judge double down and recuse the judge in case, outspend the in the court case, outspend the 555 alan bates the other 554 555 alan bates and the other 554 postmasters and always push it back and say there's nothing to see here. fujitsu clearly had a faulty bit of software that they were rolling out, is very profitable and they're profitable for them. and they're saying, again, protecting their brand. there are people brand. and if there are people in government, whether it's ministers, officials or or others have that have not others that have that have not done the right thing , then they done the right thing, then they need to be held accountable as well. this is not are there too many who were too easily

many mps who were too easily bamboozled by technocrats who come in and sell you a bit of software for £1 billion that nobody in the room really understands? >> well, think it's a good idea? >> well, think it's a good idea? >> well, think it's a good idea? >> well, in terms of, >> well, i think in terms of, yes, probably that's the case, although i think in this case it was the post office that bought it. was in the 90s. so it. um, this was in the 90s. so this the blair this is under the blair government. uh, but i government. and uh, but i think it's the post office as was constituted the time, because constituted at the time, because that's of that's gone through a lot of changes over period, which changes over that period, which is part of the complication, actually. but yeah, i mean, you know, is not know, government is not particularly procuring tech. >> e- e are the checks and >> where are the checks and balances on that, paul? we balances on that, paul? like we because can imagine because i you can just imagine the meeting rooms can't you. where guy where some japanese guy from fujitsu and blows fujitsu comes in and blows you all away with his amazing technology speak technology and they speak a language nobody's kind of language that nobody's kind of brave don't brave enough to say. i don't really understand you're really understand what you're talking and next talking about. there and next thing, £1 billion of thing, there's £1 billion of taxpayers bought taxpayers money, has bought another to another system that is open to immense damage of real people's lives. we need to be much more. you need to be much more you all need to be much more sceptical, don't you? of these systems ? systems? >> yeah, lot of the systems

>> yeah, a lot of the systems don't come to. don't really come down to. i mean, they will in terms of sign off. for us as minister, off. but for us to as minister, i was saying to you before, you know, at the time when i was post office affairs minister, i was covering hospitality, retail, small business during the covid, oversaw the uh, during covid, i oversaw the uh, during covid, i oversaw the british bank that the british business bank that was all the business was pushing all the business loans out, tackling entrepreneurs, consumers, competition london, lots of competition in london, lots of things peace in things which in peace time, in inverted commas is fine, but they all flared up into massive things at the same time. so if you're then trying to get through a complicated of through a complicated bit of technical kit, you're you do have to reliant others. technical kit, you're you do hav final question. we have run out of time. paul how long do these men and women who've these poor men and women who've been hell? how long been put through hell? how long do wait? i think in do they have to wait? i think in terms of the convictions, kevin hollinrake yesterday hollinrake said yesterday he would it's more than would be upset if it's more than a or surprise if it's more a week or surprise if it's more than a week about the convictions, about getting us get them overturned, getting a solution, the solution, about getting the solution, about getting the solution, getting a solution. >> about setting solution, getting a solution. >.target about setting solution, getting a solution. >.target of about setting solution, getting a solution. >.target of august about setting solution, getting a solution. >.target of august this ut setting solution, getting a solution. >.target of august this year, :ting a target of august this year, 2024, compensation to go 2024, for the compensation to go

through. we've got to get through. so we've got to get that next few months. >> so we need to talk to fujitsu a bit quick. >> absolutely. well we've got the money to be we've got the money to be fair. we've got the money to be fair. we've got the money. but doesn't mean the money. but that doesn't mean that the final that we should be the final people that. yeah, the people on that. yeah, the treasury stumping the treasury are stumping up the cash that was dealt with a cash that that was dealt with a while ago. >> that's the british people >> but that's the british people watching and listening to this. >> it's taxpayer money. know >> it's taxpayer money. i know it's taxpayers money. so when i say treasury treasury i've say it's treasury treasury i've agreed but it's our money agreed to it. but it's our money i totally but that i totally agree. but that shouldn't the final port of shouldn't be the final port of call. >> you've been an mp and a minister for a very long time. this probably. is this the this is probably. is this the worst scandal you've encountered? totally. encountered? oh, totally. >> is unlocking >> totally. this is unlocking it. not completing it. and as i say, not completing it, but unlocking it is the best thing i'm ever to do in thing i'm ever going to do in politics. the one politics. it's the one thing that kept awake at night. that kept me awake at night. i spent 2.5 hours of the four hour drama crying frankly watching it, knew at the end of the it, and i knew at the end of the film, what was film, yeah, i knew what was the answer. people were looking at that. >> and you're the guy right at the drama when the end of the drama when there's an sent handing there's an email sent handing over being handed over that's been being handed over to you, that that role. >> yeah. over to you, that that role. >> it yeah. over to you, that that role. >> it says eah. over to you, that that role. >> it says to 1. over to you, that that role. >> it says to the postal affairs

minister, it didn't say me. i was joking with you before. i think danny devito busy. think danny devito was busy. that to play me. that day. i want to play me. >> well, maybe the sequel yourself, because i saw nadhim zahawi popped up in. >> did say, who's >> my partner did say, who's playing zahawi? he's playing nadhim zahawi? he's brilliant. good. brilliant. just real good. really. did you? >> who did play you? >> who did play you? >> the thing is, paul? >> there could be sequel >> there could be a sequel to this because what we do this drama. because what we do want is justice. and we want to see is justice. and we want to see is justice. and we want happy for want to see the happy ending for these better these people. so you better go and lessons. and have your acting lessons. um, right. thank you so much, paul um, right. thank you so much, paul. thank so for paul. thank you so much for joining us. >> w- w" >> we have to read out this statement, from statement, i'm afraid, from fujitsu, inquiry fujitsu, who say the inquiry is reinforced devastating impact fujitsu, who say the inquiry is rei|postmastersvastating impact fujitsu, who say the inquiry is rei|postmasters livesting impact fujitsu, who say the inquiry is rei|postmasters lives and impact fujitsu, who say the inquiry is rei|postmasters lives and that ct fujitsu, who say the inquiry is rei|postmasters lives and that of on postmasters lives and that of their has their families. and fujitsu has apologised their suffering. >> right. still come >> right. still to come this morning, harrowing and humiliating. morning, harrowing and humiliimp]. whittome has labour mp nadia whittome has described the conditions on the bibby stockholm after she visited she got a point? visited it. has she got a point? let's see what she found out. >> stop groaning already. >> stop groaning already. >> you don't have to stay there and >> you don't have to stay there anchu're with britain's >> you're with britain's newsroom on .

thursdays from 6:00 till 930. >> 1125 with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner more snow flurries, a flurry doesn't sound very scary , does it? very scary, does it? >> yesterday i saw a flurry . >> yesterday i saw a flurry. more snow flurries are expected across england today, so slip on them. >> it's not icy. >> well it's so bad these flurries. andrew pierce, that the met office has issued an amber cold health alert for several regions . several regions. >> this follows the aftermath of storm henk, which left many

areas flooded . which is really areas flooded. which is really bad news, leaving so many people unable to return to homes . unable to return to their homes. >> live to our >> so let's go live to our reporters, lisa in kent, reporters, lisa hartle in kent, jack carson in smethwick and sophie reaper on winter hill in bolton, aptly named, which winter hill? yeah. okay. i feel like doing the competition. who's got the coldest day? lisa, it's looking like you . you're it's looking like you. you're the only one with snow. from what bad is it what i can see. how bad is it there? yeah >> hello. well, as you said earlier, it's definitely not snowman snow . so there's not snowman snow. so there's not enough to make everything look lovely. apart from if you're driving on the quieter roads. so overnight , the gritters out overnight, the gritters were out as kind of as usual in this kind of weather, the weather, uh, clearing all the main , making it safe for main roads, making it safe for motorists. obviously the smaller roads, they've not been gritted. so they are a hazard and motorists are being warned about that. there is an amber alert that. there is an amber alert that was issued for kent over night. that brings in the rest of the south—east, um , that's of the south—east, um, that's a cold weather warning because of the impact that can have on people's health, especially vulnerable and older vulnerable people and older people because below average

people, because in below average temperatures that we're seeing at moment , the chances of at the moment, the chances of getting illnesses getting experiencing illnesses such as heart attack, strokes and chest infections go up. so the advice is to stay warm. take care when you're out on the icy surfaces , especially if you're surfaces, especially if you're driving okay. >> thank you very much. lisa and jack carson in smethwick. jack, how's everything in smethwick? >> nothing on the streets . >> nothing on the streets. >> nothing on the streets. >> well, i'm very warm, actually, here in dorothy park's community centre. this is one of those warm spaces that, of course, those people that may not be able to afford their heating can come to and can use this space to keep warm and socialise as well. and i just invite rob bruce in, who's the ceo of the community centre here. rob um, tell us a little bit because, you know, you're part of this warm welcome. you know, initiative. tell us a little about , know, what little bit about, you know, what you're centre. you're doing here at the centre. so i here at dorothy park centre, we're welcoming warm space. >> we're open seven days a week, 12 hours day. 12 hours a day. >> um , and the doors are open to all.

>> and it's for people who may be struggling to heat their homes . um, the centre is very homes. um, the centre is very warm , and we've got access to warm, and we've got access to refreshments , and there's a refreshments, and there's a variety of different sort of community um, it's community groups. um, so it's just people chance just giving people that chance to, to not pressured to to, to not feel pressured to come in, meet other people in a warm, relaxing environment. >> course, not just >> and of course, it's not just being a space as well. um, there's also these warm packs that away as well, that you're giving away as well, just of talk through. just to kind of talk us through. you out you know what you're handing out to yeah you know what you're handing out to so yeah you know what you're handing out to so thankfully for funding >> so thankfully for funding from national grid's, fuel from national grid's, uh, fuel poverty scheme, we were able to invest in providing 100 warm packs. >> so they consisting of radiator bleed keys . we've got radiator bleed keys. we've got some hand warmers, we've got 20m of draught excluders and we've got electric throw blankets as well as a thermos flask . well as a thermos flask. >> so we're giving out these packs to people , uh, to packs to people, uh, to encourage them to help heat their homes and heat themselves . their homes and heat themselves. um, and yeah, much needed in the community. yeah. >> and what have you seen? kind of, you know, over the past few months and, year terms months and, and year in terms of, the uptake and how of, you know, the uptake and how busy ?

busy you are? >> busy as we've ever >> we're as busy as we've ever been. mean, you know , take been. i mean, um, you know, take into account the post pandemic, um , we've got the everything um, we've got the everything going on in the world, energy costs are rising. um, so we're as busy as we've ever been. people are coming in, they're needing help. they're needing support. um that could be with their energy bills . it could be their energy bills. it could be with their finances . um, yeah. with their finances. um, yeah. it's just something we never thought we'd have to do pre—covid . pre—covid. >> all right, rob, thank you so much for joining us this morning. the picture so morning. that's the picture so far smethwick. thank you jack. >> well, while you're in the warm pour sophie reaper is there freezing on winter hill in bolton on sophie. beautiful blue sky from what we can see. but i bet it's chilly up there . yeah bet it's chilly up there. yeah you could say that. >> i'm very jealous of my colleague down in smethwick. there today the sun may have come up here over winter hill in bolton , but the wind has picked bolton, but the wind has picked up and it is still very, very cold. now, a lot of people might be asking why we're talking about the cold weather today.

it's winter , it's january. but it's winter, it's january. but in fact , the reason we're in fact, the reason we're talking about it is because the uk health security agency and the met office have felt the need put amber cold need to put that amber cold health warning in place. now what that means is they think there could well be an impact across the whole health service as well as there being potential risk to the entire population . risk to the entire population. so it's absolutely worthwhile as talking about it people. i'm sure are. many of our viewers will be concerned about things like burst pipes, ice on the roads. many will be considering twisting that thermostat . but of twisting that thermostat. but of course, as we heard that gentleman with jack then talking about they may not to about they may not be able to afford to turn their thermostat up. that exactly where up. and that is exactly where the people's health the danger to people's health will come. >> thank you very much, >> okay, thank you very much, sophie. there on winter hill. thank you to all of you. lisa jack winter hill in jack and sophie, winter hill in bolton forms part of my bolton that forms part of my childhood memories because. do you remember? well, i mean, i'm not that old, but in 1958 there was a plane crash on winter hill not that old, but in 1958 there wa bolton ne crash on winter hill not that old, but in 1958 there wabolton .e crash on winter hill not that old, but in 1958 there wabolton . 39 'ash on winter hill not that old, but in 1958 there wabolton . 39 people.a/inter hill not that old, but in 1958 there wabolton . 39 people. iinter hill not that old, but in 1958 there wabolton . 39 people. i was hill not that old, but in 1958 there

wabolton . 39 people. i was just in bolton. 39 people. i was just looking at the lost their lives. it was a very famous unusual for an in this country to an aeroplane in this country to hit winter . i an aeroplane in this country to hit winter. i think it hit a big, um. what do you call it? like an aerial on the top of the hill and it crashed. yeah. it's true. that's what winter is true. that's what winter hill is famous anyway. of that famous for anyway. none of that today. this today. still to come this morning, scandal morning, the post office scandal tv drama finally to tv drama could finally lead to justice. the scandals? justice. what are the scandals? need series make real need to hit series to make real change? um let us know what you think . think. >> ipp say what other global event might bev turner think should make a tv drama? i think it begins with c. >> oh, it does , and if it >> oh, it does, and if it galvanises public opinion for justice and um, i'm going to start writing it. i'm going to start writing it. i'm going to start writing it. i'm going to start writing the first opening scene listen to the scene where we listen to the very latest newly written it from sam francis. we go . from sam francis. here we go. i'm putting in it. i'm putting you in it. >> bev and andrew. thank you very much. good morning from the gb newsroom , i'm sam francis. gb newsroom, i'm sam francis. the headlines at 1130. well we

start with some breaking news. gabriel attal has become france's youngest ever prime minister. emmanuel macron says he wants to freshen things up in his second tum, ahead of the european parliament elections. the 34 year old, who's a close ally of the french president, is also the first minister to be openly gay . he made a name for openly gay. he made a name for himself during the covid pandemic as the former education . minister the justice secretary here in the uk is holding crunch talks with judges as the government looks for ways to clear the names of staff that were caught up in the post office scandal . more than 700 office scandal. more than 700 were bankrupt were convicted, jailed, bankrupt and some took their own lives after being wrongly accused of theft . to date, just 93 theft. to date, just 93 convictions have been overturned and only 30 have finalised compensation, with the government business minister kevin hollinrake says plans to speed up the remaining cases would be announced very shortly . would be announced very shortly. in the us, two airlines have found loose hardware during plane inspections . it's after

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and care . she's been on the and care. she's been on the bibby stockholm and we will show you what she said about what she found . found. >> nice gym, nice pool. that's not what she said. >> phil babb. >> phil babb. >> it's not what she said. >> it's not what she said. >> a chef . don't go anywhere >> a chef. don't go anywhere nice to me. >> we'll you what she did >> we'll tell you what she did say. this is britain's newsroom

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political commentator and author tonia buxton and gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. so guys , the first story nelson. so guys, the first story we're going to look at is this video that's gone viral on social media. it's a labour mp, nadia whittome, and she visited the bibby stockholm barge, which of course has the asylum seekers , refugees, illegal immigrants, whatever name you want to call these people on it. and this is what she has say . what she has to say. >> in parliament after >> i'm back in parliament after meeting with residents of the bibby stockholm. they're testimony was emotional and harrowing. the men i met said it felt like living in a prison. there's almost nothing for them to do on there except eat and sleep . conditions are cramped, sleep. conditions are cramped, but their ability to leave the barge is restricted . they can barge is restricted. they can only exit and enter at certain times, as they have to get a bus . they're not allowed to walk their search not only on the way in, the way out. it's in, but also the way out. it's time consuming and it's humiliating eating some of the people on there have never seen the sea before , so the motion of

the sea before, so the motion of the sea before, so the motion of the boat keeps them awake like, well, how did they cross the channel? >> oh no. how did they cross the channel with their eyes closed? >> i just their eyes closed? >> got i've got to in. >> what she saw was emotional and harrowing . look at this and harrowing. look at this emotive language. because they've got nothing to do except eat or sleep. oh, give me break. >> but then, she said, checking their bags on and off takes up a lot of their time. but then she said they haven't got a lot to do. so what do they to do. so what do they have to do with time than have with their time rather than have their bags searched? >> they could go >> but the point they could go in, they could go in the restaurant or the games or restaurant or the games room or all gym. all of the gym or the gym. >> they know who these >> they don't know who these people they've rid people are. they've got rid of their know their documents. we don't know whether they complete whether they are complete innocence and, you know, they have a valid reason, have they have a valid reason, a valid reason here or valid reason to be here or whether are , i don't whether they are, i don't know, terrorists, , murderers, terrorists, rapists, murderers, killers. got no idea . so killers. we've got no idea. so of they're going to get of course they're going to get checked out. of checked going in and out. of course, didn't , can you course, if they didn't, can you imagine furore that would imagine the furore that would happen? if one happen? can you imagine if one of them smuggled in a knife because checked because they weren't checked going something

going in, or a gun or something like that? i mean, nat, darling, you really need to get a grip you really do need to get a grip when it comes to using words like harrowing like emotional and harrowing because, you know, they get searched and they can't walk. they have to get a bus. it's they have to get a bus. so it's mind blowing. >> some of their stories will be harrowing there, but for the grace of god, some of their stories will be harrowing, awful. however that doesn't mean they should be allowed. nigel nelson to live freely in a house paid for by the taxpayer and to come and go as they please until they are given leave to stay or sent back home. i'm not quite sure what people like that want. are you ? are you? >> um. i think that they they certainly want a bit of dignity. they've dignity. they've got dignity. >> that dignity ? >> how is that not dignity? >> how is that not dignity? >> think bundling them >> well, i think bundling them onto um, small onto a barge, um, with small cabins is not the most dignified way of doing things . the fact way of doing things. the fact that they're going backwards and forwards, which they wouldn't be if they were a hotel and this if they were in a hotel and this whole bibby stockholm thing is a complete gimmick. if they were in a hotel, it would be a lot

cheaper to keep them there. it costs 205 £5 a night to put them on the bibby stockholm them £140 in a hotel and at least in the hotel that they would have a bit more freedom . it doesn't mean more freedom. it doesn't mean they can work, doesn't mean they can go anywhere. but at can go anywhere. but but at least they are treated rather better. that's what i mean about this is gimmick. this is a gimmick. we've actually but this, this, this bit, this barge was used by holland to keep, um, people . holland to keep, um, people. >> and it was a floating detention centre in holland. holland isn't a cruel country, nigel. it's a member of your beloved european union. they treated them perfectly nicely on that barge. why are we doing it any differently? what's the problem? >> it's a question of that >> it's not a question of that so much. it's. why have we got it the first place? it there in the first place? that thing because it there in the first place? thewant thing because it there in the first place? thewant to thing because it there in the first place? thewant to give thing because it there in the first place? thewant to give hotels because it there in the first place? thewant to give hotels back use it there in the first place? thewant to give hotels back toe we want to give hotels back to a local can be local community so they can be used . used as hotels. >> people, tourists people >> people, tourists and people are from home. are working away from home. >> people don't want >> and also people don't want these people in their community until given the until they've been given the okay, light to come okay, the green light to come into our they don't into our country. they don't want be, you know, most want to be, you know, most communities do not want to have

asylum seekers in hotels near them when their children are going to school. and this is their community changing completely, come completely, where people come and please. i mean, completely, where people come and of please. i mean, completely, where people come and of the please. i mean, completely, where people come and of the other. .ease. i mean, completely, where people come and of the other. i'vez. i mean, completely, where people come and of the other. i've justnean, completely, where people come and of the other. i've just gotl, one of the other. i've just got to because to pinpoint this because it's something emotional . one something that's emotional. one of emotional and of the other emotional and harrowing they have harrowing things is they have difficulty accessing timely medical mean , you tell medical care. i mean, you tell medical care. i mean, you tell me that i've been on the phone to try and get through to my doctor now for weeks, but this is and is this is harrowing and emotional them , emotional, emotional for them, emotional, harrowing because harrowing for them, because they can't free medical care that can't get free medical care that we are giving, that we should get the british citizens. get as the british citizens. this . this mp is this is ridiculous. this mp is ridiculous. she just needs to stop kind of this kind of rubbish that they're coming out, that these people aren't getting treated getting treated well, they're getting treated well, they're getting treated they treated supremely well, and they should not be about should not be moaning about saying, hang on. saying, hang on, hang on. >> know that on the bbc >> we don't know that on the bbc stockholm on basis that stockholm on the basis that we've one reported we've had at least one reported suicide. um, so it can't suicide. there um, so it can't be that related. >> it could be related to other things. >> i appreciate that, i appreciate that, but we have got that which should be at least a warning bell that something is

not quite right. they would have committed suicide in hotels as well. >> nigel. yeah. >> nigel. yeah. >> i mean, obviously >> well, i mean, obviously you've coming over. you've got people coming over. they have harrowing they have had harrowing experiences and it may well be they do have mental health issues get here. issues when they they get here. but i mean, i've got a migrant hotel very near where i live now. what they've done is now. what they've done there is that people can come and go that the people can come and go with within limits . but, that the people can come and go with within limits. but, um, they've turned the, the restaurant into a school . this restaurant into a school. this is not a place just for young men. so this is actually for families. so the kids have got something to do. there are charities coming in trying to help out. so people can actually do something with their time, especially the children , to have especially the children, to have play especially the children, to have play time. that is treating people with dignity, bundling them onto a boat doesn't seem to me the most dignified way of doing it, and especially as it's not safe , any money, it's not safe, any money, it's costing more to pull on the heartstrings as well, because we know of people that know the majority of people that are men. are arriving are young men. >> you're going about >> so you're going on about children looked it children being looked after. it sounds you're

sounds like to me that you're trying to the trying to pull on the heartstrings as well, because of course, but children are arriving few , i arriving too. yes, very few, i bet. well how many bet. i know well how many children are on bbc, by the way. >> we're just looking at images on the radio. >> seen the >> images. we've just seen the gym, table , all, um, gym, the snooker table, all, um, these of rooms they these are some of the rooms they look me. they look clean look like to me. they look clean , brightly painted and decorated. there's the canteen. nigel. what's wrong with these images that people are watching on ? on our screen? >> harrowing. >> that is not harrowing. >> that is not harrowing. >> not humiliating there. >> i'd like home office to >> i'd like the home office to give me permission to go in there a look myself there and have a look for myself and. allowing journalists? >> allowing >> they're not allowing any journalists do journalists to do that. >> allowing people to >> are they allowing people to go it's about rather than go in? it's about rather than have images out the have images put out by the government. i'd like to see for myself exactly what you think. >> this. you think these are sand sized, censored images? >> but you see, >> didn't say that. but you see, see myself, yes, but you're see for myself, yes, but you're damned if do. damned if you do. >> you're if you >> and you're damned if you don't. if you go. if journalists are allowed boat it are allowed onto the boat and it is that is going is all luxurious, that is going to the to play terribly for the government not government because it does not reflect the nation. reflect the mood of the nation. if go on and the conditions if they go on and the conditions are terrible, that's going to play play into the hands of people like who's going

like nadia whitmore, who's going to say, look how to come out and say, look how badly we treat in in badly we treat those in need. in a why nobody's a way, i understand why nobody's allowed they allowed to go in because they can't allowed to go in because they cant on allowed to go in because they can't on either can't win on on either way. >> no, i totally understand that. and i, what i find that. and what i, what i find really annoying is that we are in a living crisis here. in a cost of living crisis here. british really british people are really struggling to get dentists, to get to housing, get doctors, to get housing, to pay get doctors, to get housing, to pay bills, and here we are pay the bills, and here we are paying pay the bills, and here we are paying 200 or 140 or whatever it is per person, per night for these people that we just don't know who are and we are now know who they are and we are now getting that a lot getting information that a lot of are could have some of them are could have some tendencies that are not positive for our society . i don't want to for our society. i don't want to go into that any more, but they've got to go somewhere now. so there's got to be there's and we know that of them are we know that so many of them are economic they need economic migrants. they need processing quickly. >> they need turning back. i would like to see them not get on the boats in boats in france for a start. um, and then get them processed asap. but this is them processed asap. but this is the thing. if the part of the bbc to a bbc stockholm is to be a deterrent in same that deterrent in the same way that they rwanda be they want rwanda to be a deterrent, mind things deterrent, i don't mind things like coming out saying like this coming out and saying it's nice place to

it's not a very nice place to live, that act as live, because that might act as a for people thinking a deterrent for people thinking about dinghy. a deterrent for people thinking about you dinghy. a deterrent for people thinking about you read dinghy. a deterrent for people thinking about you read outighy. a deterrent for people thinking about you read outighythe >> have you read out all the things they've but things that they've got, but it's not going to be a deterrent. >> these these words >> and these these words emotional, harrowing, humiliating, emotional, harrowing, humiliating over, i don't are coming over, going, i don't think know what humiliation >> they know what humiliation is. you're genuine is. if you're a genuine asylum seeker, experienced seeker, you've experienced humiliation already a games humiliation already in a games room, in. room, thrown in. >> can't that bad, nigel. >> can't be that bad, nigel. >> can't be that bad, nigel. >> , i mean, what you've got >> well, i mean, what you've got that they that is in a hotel where they get freedom, right ? get a bit more freedom, right? >> let's move on to another story, channel 4 story, shall we? channel 4 in diversity boxes. diversity row over white boxes. so this is lucy fraser. diversity row over white boxes. so this is lucy fraser . the so this is lucy fraser. the culture secretary approved the appointment of five new non—executive directors to the broadcaster's board , four of broadcaster's board, four of them, out of the five, are white, the chairman of channel 4, sir ian cheshire . tanya has 4, sir ian cheshire. tanya has said that it's lagging behind its own diversity targets . its own diversity targets. should we have diversity targets? no we should not have diversity targets. >> we should have best for the job. that's what we should be having for best the job. i mean, channel four's gone mad on diversity know, it would diversity 80. you know, it would put shoehorn someone put someone shoehorn someone into a job. you know, if for

colour for disabilities, for sexual orientation ones. not necessarily because they're the right people for the job. there are two men, there are two women here. is ethnic here. and there is an ethnic minority this group . they're minority in this group. they're making nothing. and making a fuss over nothing. and it's is just making it's got this is just making normal british public people scared . dream, scream. we don't scared. dream, scream. we don't want to hear this. we don't want to hear this from channel 4. channel needs good looking at. >> and i think it's hilarious coming him. coming from him. >> went to >> sir. in cheshire we went to very expensive king's school, cambridge. you're lucky if you can afford the fees . then he can afford the fees. then he went on to university at christ college, as as college, cambridge. white as as the snow outside the hole . the snow outside the hole. >> not one of the points of channel 4 is to is to be representative of minorities and put programmes out for minorities on the basis of that, they have a rule whereby 20% of people will come from some other ethnic backgrounds other than whites. >> they gave up on that years ago, and now the channel of big brother and now and now we've got a situation where 90, 93% of

the board turn out to be white and the point about they might be the right people for the job. >> well, hang on to say how do we know these are the right people the and there people for the job? and there would have been a panel you couldn't have got a black or asian person made up of who the problem with recruiting problem with actually recruiting people for people and the reason for diversity that we diversity targets is that we tend to actually employ people who are most like us. so if you have a white middle class board, the chances are you will employ white middle class people. that's the reason for having diversity in the first place. >> yes. unfortunately diversity has gone too far, though it should be. let's go. proportional representation within this type. um, setting as well. it should be proportional . well. it should be proportional. >> it's interesting. i am interested by the fact that you use the word middle class though, for me , though, nigel, because for me, the one of diversity that i the one bit of diversity that i could support is could support actually is getting kids from, uh, or getting more kids from, uh, or adults who have come through the state system . let's get people state system. let's get people from a normal socio economic background. i'm, you know , you

background. i'm, you know, you do see a lot of the time, the privately educated , public privately educated, public school educated hoiking up their own mates on the boards with them , cheshire like surrey and them, cheshire like surrey and cheshire and in a sense, i want less preoccupation with how much melanin their melanin someone's got in their skin preoccupation with skin and more preoccupation with their experience and their social background and their upbringing. because actually, inevitably, if you do look at that, you are going to have more kids of colour because predominantly of predominantly more kids of colour to in, in, in colour grow up to in, in, in poorer backgrounds. you know, poorer backgrounds. so you know, i'd to see us move towards i'd like to see us move towards that sort of conversation when we diversity rather we talk about diversity rather than why they why than skin colour, why they why does need to own does the state need to own another tv station? >> there the whole >> well, there was the whole point of setting it the idea point of setting it up. the idea was that this was was that you would that this was a channel to put out a different set , and you set of programmes, and you don't. if you start privatising it it into the it and put it into the commercial it'll become commercial sector, it'll become like everything else. >> channel of big >> this is the channel of big brother, heaven's sake. one brother, for heaven's sake. one of the most commercially driven programmes. >> does anymore >> what does not anymore is channel of. >> now awareness 01. >> now awareness of. >> they didn't show >> i'd rather they didn't show big to me. big brother to me. >> it's not. big brother on. >> it's not. big brother is on. >> it's not. big brother is on. >> brother been

>> big brother has been on channel years anyway, channel five for years anyway, hasn't channel five for years anyway, hasn launched it there. they did >> i launched it there. they did do, they educate one of do, they did educate one of britain. did nothing. britain. they did nothing. >> talking of tv drama, >> um, but talking of tv drama, we haven't had you two yet this morning talking about the post office scam handle. um, why ? office scam handle. um, why? tanya, has it taken a drama to bnng tanya, has it taken a drama to bring this to the public awareness ? because it's it is an awareness? because it's it is an outrage. it is a terrible miscarriage of justice for so many people . and i've been a bit many people. and i've been a bit of a cover up. do you need a glass of water? >> i've had a glass of water. i've got that cough that everyone's a big cover everyone's got. it's a big cover up. happens. and up. that's what happens. and unfortunately we need a tv drama to make people notice this. >> i'll let you have a drink of water while to nigel water while i go to nigel on this. one reasons this. i think one of the reasons is days, it is that in the old days, it would newspapers, which would would be newspapers, which would have actually revealed these scandals. >> in fairness, this one has >> and in fairness, this one has been constantly. been reported on constantly. um, but in the way that the tv but not in the way that the tv drama brought it vividly to life. and the result is that because people read fewer newspaper , um, have newspaper, um, there have been an of cutbacks and an awful lot of cutbacks and investigation teams have disappeared who would normally

do this kind work ? um, what do this kind of work? um, what the tv drama has shown is that it's finally brought it into our homes. and so we know exactly what's been going on. we it would look like what you need is other government scandals dealt with. and obviously it needs the same format. so an example would be the gay ban in the armed forces, which was lifted in 2000 by the european court of human rights. um, however , however, rights. um, however, however, people need to be compensated and they haven't been and thousands of people , some of thousands of people, some of them were jailed for their sexuality . dodi. they, they, sexuality. dodi. they, they, they didn't get any fairness. the same thing has happened with the mineworkers pension fund. the government continue choose to take money. they've taken more than £4 billion from it and they continue to take money from retired mine workers . these are retired mine workers. these are things that need to be and you could highlighted to throw in the infected blood scandal. one of the infected of the greatest, the infected blood has blood scandal, which has now

come yeah that come to light again. yeah that will the biggest will probably be the biggest compensation bill in our history. so should compensation bill in our histyeah. so should compensation bill in our histyeah. and so should compensation bill in our histyeah. and it so should compensation bill in our histyeah. and it shows, hould compensation bill in our histyeah. and it shows, doesn't be. yeah. and it shows, doesn't it, tony? >> w- ph— w— >> still, the power of drama to get into the imagination. that was the word that david davis used. it's allowed people to use their imagination . and also it their imagination. and also it makes you think about putting yourself in their shoes because we've all been on the frustrating end of a tech fiasco i >> -- >> but it's not just that. it's like like you said before, you know, you look at the papers and you no smoke without you think, oh, no smoke without fire. this, fire. and this is this, and you don't and you don't take it seriously and you don't take it seriously and you don't really see the human side until it's made into this kind of drama. and then you start to associate with people associate with the people that are lot of are there and also a lot of people watching drama. people watching that drama. >> that's my >> tonya would think, that's my postmaster, that's my postmistress. they relate to postmistress. they can relate to them. they've been doing business years and business with them for years and they business with them for years and the we all thought was >> we all thought the postal was cuddly. we saw this. cuddly. yeah, until we saw this. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> and in a way, what it might >> yeah, exactly. >> as|d in a way, what it might >> yeah, exactly. >> as well a way, what it might >> yeah, exactly. >> as well isnay, what it might >> yeah, exactly. >> as well is to i, what it might >> yeah, exactly. >> as well is to raiseit it might >> yeah, exactly. >> as well is to raise awareness do as well is to raise awareness and post office and support for the post office itself . it's a reminder of what itself. it's a reminder of what a part the community we. a part of the community we. yeah, post offices used to be used to be and a much, much less

yeah, post offices used to be us see you then. >> the post office scandal rumbles on. >> we'll be speaking to victims and members of parliament as the government scrambles to find a solution to this crisis. >> potentially this very week. also dogs are off the dinner plate in south korea. >> the country has voted to ban the dog meat trade . a number of the dog meat trade. a number of dogs actually have been rescued and adopted into this country , and adopted into this country, including my own two canines. but what really is the difference between eating dog and eating cows , pigs and sheep ? and eating cows, pigs and sheep? looks like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> alex deakin here with your

latest weather update from the met office for gb news. for most, it's another dry cold one out there today , many of us out there today, many of us seeing some blue sky and a bit of sunshine, it feels of sunshine, but it feels particularly cold in the wind across the south. that's high pressure, that's dominating , pressure, that's dominating, keeping but the keeping things dry. but the squeeze the isobars meaning squeeze in the isobars meaning this wind pretty this easterly wind pretty noticeable south, brought noticeable in the south, brought some yesterday some snow flurries yesterday 1 or 2 this morning in the far southwest , but they are scooting southwest, but they are scooting away . so as i southwest, but they are scooting away. so as i said, most places dry quite a bit of sunshine around as well, brightening up in devon and cornwall, staying fairly though fairly cloudy though over northeast and eastern northeast england and eastern scotland. think we'll keep scotland. i think we'll keep a lot of here in the lot of cloud here in the sunshine, temperatures struggling three, four, maybe five degrees celsius. feeling colder with the winds. parts of the highlands of scotland may not above freezing some not get above freezing some stubborn fog patches in and around inverness may well stick throughout the day . overnight, throughout the day. overnight, we'll see the clouds spilling back in across eastern scotland and northern england, so that should keep the should help to keep the temperatures may just see temperatures up and may just see 1 2 showers coming in as

1 or 2 showers coming in here as well . but most 1 or 2 showers coming in here as well. but most in the 1 or 2 showers coming in here as well . but most in the south, well. but for most in the south, it's cold. it's clear. it's cold. it's frosty the wind stopping, frosty again. the wind stopping, temperatures dropping too far. but making for a cold feel again tomorrow. again. much of the south dry and sunny, but a cloudier for northern cloudier day for northern england. of scotland , parts england. most of scotland, parts of northern ireland. there will england. most of scotland, parts of a)rthern ireland. there will england. most of scotland, parts of a fewern ireland. there will england. most of scotland, parts of a few showersid. there will england. most of scotland, parts of a few showers drifting�* will england. most of scotland, parts of a few showers drifting in. ll be a few showers drifting in. there'll be rain than there'll be of rain rather than of west coast of of snow. the west coast of scotland should hang to on some sunshine temperatures just sunshine and temperatures just creeping up, but feeling colder where it's cloudier . where it's cloudier. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers spot . hours of boxt boilers spot. hours of weather on gb news those

i >> -- >> good afternoon britain. it's 12:00 on tuesday the 9th january. >> postal pressure ministers are scrambling to piece together a solution to quash the convictions of hundreds of wrongly convicted postmaster . wrongly convicted postmaster. houhs wrongly convicted postmaster. hour's top judges are in talks with the government to see what can be done to expedite and accelerate the process of unpicking years of scandalous miscarriages of justice. this snow joke parts of the country are now covered in snow, while others are bracing for days of subzero temperatures. >> frost , subzero temperatures. >> frost, more subzero temperatures. >> frost , more snow subzero temperatures. >> frost, more snow and amber cold health alerts how long will this cold spell engulf britain ?

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