gb news. >> good evening and welcome to patrick christys tonight with me, mark dolan . me, mark dolan. >> why should she lose it.7 >> why should she lose it.7 >> because she is fully complicit in the scandal. people have taken their own lives. people have been robbed of their lives, their mental health. it's disgraceful. so the neighbours of x post office chief paula vennells are rightly furious. >> she has handed back her cbe, so should ed davey return his knighthood .7 i'll bring you the knighthood? i'll bring you the latest on the scandal that shames britain next. later this houn shames britain next. later this hour, former lord chancellor sir robert buckland makes a rallying call for action in parliament. yes, indeed , and quite rightly yes, indeed, and quite rightly so. as a channel 4 diversity row , meanwhile, breaks out over appointing four white directors . appointing four white directors. are there too many white people in top jobs in britain ? and in top jobs in britain? and after it all kicked off with richard tice last night, it's

even more important that if someone does a bad job running the country, breaking the country , be we the voters have country, be we the voters have got to fire them. yes, it was a right royal. ding dong. what's going to happen tonight when i'm joined by the one and only nigel farage? is he going to join reform uk officially to spearhead yet another political revolution? i'll be asking . and revolution? i'll be asking. and will this man bionic's prime minister, sir keir starmer say the sun worked for free as a lawyer to wait for it . save baby lawyer to wait for it. save baby killers and axe murderers. it raises big questions and my panel. raises big questions and my panel . will be answering those panel. will be answering those tonight on the sofa. nana akua ryan o'neal jayawardena mp and rebecca reid . it's cold out rebecca reid. it's cold out there, but we're bringing the heat. get the kettle on. let's get to work .

get to work. i'll be dealing with keir starmer at 10:00. you won't want to miss it, but email me now. has the post office scandal wiped out your faith in britain's justice system market? gb news. com lots to get through. but first, the headunes through. but first, the headlines and polly middlehurst. >> mark, thank you and good evening to you. well, the leader of the liberal democrats, ed davey, has told gb news today. he won't be handing back his knighthood over the post office scandal despite being the minister charge at the time. minister in charge at the time. it follows the former post office boss, paula vennells , office boss, paula vennells, handing back her cbe with immediate effect. today there were widespread calls for her to do so after the horizon it scandal. more than 700 post office staff were convicted, jailed and bankrupt. some even took their own lives after the faulty software meant they were wrongly accused of theft . wrongly accused of theft. meanwhile, fujitsu, the parent

company of horizon, has been called to answer mps questions next week over its role in the scandal. the prime minister says fujitsu will be held accountable legally or financially if it's found to have made mistakes, and the business minister, kevin hollinrake, said today plans to speed up compensating victims will be announced very shortly . will be announced very shortly. more than 110 flood warnings remain in place tonight, just as the uk prepares for an arctic blast to strike the country throughout next week. the met office says there's another cold night on the way tonight as well, with temperatures dropping widely to close to or below freezing. the health security agency has issued an amber cold health alert, triggering health responses for vulnerable people in parts of southern england . it in parts of southern england. it follows storm henk, which left large areas of ground flooded last week with livestock trapped and thousands of properties damaged . the former us president damaged. the former us president , donald trump, said today he shouldn't be punished for trying

to overturn the 2020 us election. even his lawyers argued that allowing a former president to be charged would set a dangerous precedent, paving the way for political motivated indictments . motivated indictments. nominating the republican candidate for president begins on monday in the united states, and mr trump is widely expected to win the state of iowa. but he'll still need to overcome a series of legal challenges if he's to retake the white house now, some news just reaching us in the last half hour or so. hooded, hooded gunmen have burst into a television studio in ecuadon into a television studio in ecuador. if you're watching on television, we can show you these pictures of the live tv set , which show masked people, set, which show masked people, some waving guns inside a television station in the port city of guayaquil in the southwest of ecuador . city of guayaquil in the southwest of ecuador. gunmen was seen telling staff to lie down and sit on the floor with multiple gunshots and yelling no police! it's after ecuador's president, daniel noboa noboa,

declared a state of emergency following the escape of one of the country's most notorious drug gangs. bosses from prison . drug gangs. bosses from prison. the national police is sending specialist units to the television station, and we'll keep an eye on that for you . on keep an eye on that for you. on tv, online, dab+ radio and the tunein app. this is gb news, britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> thanks, polly . good evening. >> thanks, polly. good evening. when you think of great british institution , what do you think institution, what do you think of the royal family? an early morning fry up village cricket , morning fry up village cricket, a few jars down the pub , all of a few jars down the pub, all of those definitely . but you also those definitely. but you also think of the great british post office, the beating heart of the for community example. we love our posties, don't we? they go out in all weathers often wearing shorts in the cold winter months, delivering packages, letters , whistling a packages, letters, whistling a cheery tune and facing the daily

threats of an angry dachshund or chihuahua. how sickening, therefore, to think that the management of our beloved post office is those postmasters who are like family to their customers have been subjected to what some are describing as the greatest miscarriage of justice in the history of this country. over 700 people accused of stealing from their employers when in fact it was faulty software all along. it's not true that the media did not report the scandal at the time. well done to the times newspaper, the telegraph , the newspaper, the telegraph, the mail, the sun, the mirror and many others for publishing countless stories about what was happening . but in the end, it happening. but in the end, it will be a drama on itv that ultimately drew the nation's attention to the horrors of what occurred for the story to have been ignored for so long is a further slap in the face to those accused. they were victims at the time with these false charges and victims all over

again when they were gaslit by slid and ignored . whilst the itv slid and ignored. whilst the itv drama is a triumph of acting and storytelling, the real life drama is just as compelling and is ongoing . what will be the is ongoing. what will be the fate of the leader of the opposition, sir ed davey, of course, leader of the lib dems in particular, he ignored pleas for help from postmasters whilst he was post office minister. he even told gb news today that he won't be returning his knighthood because he was, quote , misled and lied to, said should sir keir starmer have stepped in to block the legal action of the post office? whilst director of public prosecutions? well, i'll be deaung prosecutions? well, i'll be dealing with starmer and his history as a lawyer in my 10 pm. monologue and i'm not p.m. monologue and i'm not pulling my punches . but there is pulling my punches. but there is some positive news today. the person who was in charge of the post office at the time, paula vennells, has said that she's truly sorry and has handed back

her cbe . e although something her cbe. e although something tells me she'll be hanging on to her £400,000 bonus that she got when she left the company , when she left the company, vennells buckled under intense pubuc vennells buckled under intense public pressure and the feeling was particularly strong among her neighbours when our brilliant roving reporter ben leo, caught up with some of them earlier today. >> i think she should get rid of it now. i think it should be revoked. based on what? um, a lot of people are saying. i mean , it is a bit of lot of people are saying. i mean ,itisabitofa lot of people are saying. i mean , it is a bit of a scandal. should should paula vennells be stripped of her cbe? >> a people have signed >> a million people have signed the rishi has the petition. rishi sunak has said should be. it said that she should be. it should be looked at. what do you think? totally agree, think? i totally agree, and i think? i totally agree, and i think the position that she's think in the position that she's in also with her being a minister as well, and her values and and. and her ethics and. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> why should she lose it? >> why should she lose it? >> because she is fully complicit scandal. complicit in the scandal. people have taken their own lives. people have been of their people have been robbed of their lives, mental health. it's lives, their mental health. it's disgraceful . disgraceful. >> there you go. the common

sense of the british people. gb news revealed today that the government is finally set to introduce a bill to clear the victims and quash their conviction . but why did it take conviction. but why did it take so long? this was a political failure, a business failure and a legal failure. and in terms of the victims , we're not just the victims, we're not just talking about the financial distress caused ruined careers, wrongful prison sentences, wrecked families , health issues wrecked families, health issues and public humiliation. people took their lives so for the post office and the public institutions that failed to hold them to account , i institutions that failed to hold them to account, i think it's fair to say they have blood on their hands to not mention the giant software company fujitsu, who still continue to enjoy government contracts worth £200 million a year. talk about rewarding failure. the culture at the post office and their behaviour was truly reprehensible. they lied. they were cruel, they were heartless and they never acknowledged their mistake . they covered up

their mistake. they covered up and they obfuscated the murky handung and they obfuscated the murky handling of this shocking scandal would have the chinese communist party blushing. so we need rapid justice for all of the victims now, with fast tracked pardons and compensation should run into the tens. if not hundreds of millions , and all of hundreds of millions, and all of those individuals involved in this post office scandal should be sent packing, preferable by recorded delivery . your reaction recorded delivery. your reaction market gb news.com. let's get the thoughts of my brilliant panel tonight . we are coming in panel tonight. we are coming in hot with gb news star nana akua former environment secretary , former environment secretary, conservative mp ranil jayawardena and author and journalist rebecca reed. rebecca where do you start with a story like this? a human tragedy and a double insult to the victims, ignored and gaslit, and still they don't get justice? absolutely >> and i think there's a figure and i can't remember exactly what the number is for the compensation, sounds compensation, which sounds enormous, when you enormous, but actually, when you

work how people were work out how many people were affected and then you affected by this and then you split amongst them, it's split it amongst them, it's actually much actually not even that much money. people's lives were money. so people's lives were ruined. woman ruined. a pregnant woman was in prison , and amount of prison, and the amount of compensation they're compensation that they're currently is not currently being offered is not actually life changing money. and should none of these and it should be. none of these people ever to work people should ever have to work ever again. the ones who are still alive, and there are people unfortunately people who are unfortunately no longer if this happened longer with us. if this happened in united states every in the united states every single one of those 700 people would and would be multi—millionaires, and they think they should be. i think they should because should be more litigious because the people that the only way that people that people learn is you hit people learn is when you hit them the pocket. and i think them in the pocket. and i think them in the pocket. and i think the fujitsu should be absolutely terrified because i think the national one of those national mood, it's one of those stories not a left stories where it's not a left thing. it's not a right thing, it's and wrong thing. it's a right and wrong thing. and everyone knows that what happened wrong. and everyone knows that what hapnanai wrong. and everyone knows that what hapnana rebecca»ng. and everyone knows that what hapnana rebecca raises a great >> nana rebecca raises a great point there. this hasn't been for occasion, an it's not for a rare occasion, an it's not political. versus political. it's not left versus right. we're in our right. we're united in our horror at what happened to these people. >> well, we're united in our horror, it is typical of horror, but it is typical of this country because it's always lessons learned. i mean, lessons will be learned. i mean, how have we got how many inquiries have we got

going moment? the going at the moment? the infected blood scandal that's still people dying as still going? people are dying as we're we've we're talking about it. we've had covid inquiry now that's had the covid inquiry now that's got, years to run got, what, ten more years to run away and it's absurd. i think out of this. we need learn out of this. we need to learn that these on that we cannot have these on going, inquiries that go going, rolling inquiries that go on on years. i think the on and on for years. i think the government need to doing government need to stop doing this. there needs to be a limit government need to stop doing thithe here needs to be a limit government need to stop doing thithe time1eeds to be a limit government need to stop doing thithe time periodo be a limit government need to stop doing thithe time period fore a limit government need to stop doing thithe time period for this. mit government need to stop doing thithe time period for this. but to the time period for this. but the people who are involved in this, i think of them this, i think some of them should prison. and as for should be in prison. and as for ed davey, if he thinks that he's going hang to his going to hang on to his leadership i think leadership role, i don't think so. would at so. nobody would be looking at wanting to vote for the liberal democrats. if he's at helm. democrats. if he's at the helm. i'm the fact that he's i'm afraid the fact that he's defiant and thinking he's defiant and thinking that he's going to his sir ed going to cling on to his sir ed davey ed, need to sort davey no, ed, you need to sort yourself out. this is not acceptable. it was what the post office minister in 2010 and 2012, midst of this, 2012, the midst of all of this, and refused to see people who and he refused to see people who wanted to to him about the wanted to talk to him about the scandal. but it's scandal. ed, i'm sorry, but it's curtains now. >> calling ed davey. >> you're calling him ed davey. so you already officially so have you already officially stripped him of his knighthood? >> him in my >> i have stripped him in my mind his knighthood, mind of his knighthood, not stripped telling

stripped him in my mind, telling people no way. >> not that desperate. no >> you're not that desperate. no listen, this is obviously has political implications. >> potentially, for >> doesn't it? potentially, for keir starmer as a former director of public prosecutions, what you think what about ed davey do you think his position is tenable? mean, his position is tenable? i mean, you conservative mp, so, you are a conservative mp, so, you are a conservative mp, so, you know, we ought understand you know, we ought to understand you've in the game, but you've got skin in the game, but what is view? what is your view? >> well so i'm yeah. >> well so i'm yeah. >> as you say, i'm slightly biased on this um but but biased on this front. um but but you come to two key you know, i come back to two key points. uh ed davey was points. first. uh ed davey was post office minister. his party will be responsible for deciding whether continue to whether they should continue to be him. but as you say, be led by him. but as you say, there's another knight who also has a role here. keir has a role here. sir keir starmer of public starmer was director of public prosecutions . he could have had prosecutions. he could have had at any time a law from at any time under a law from 1985 taken over these prosecutions and decided that they were not viable , that there they were not viable, that there wasn't the evidence that the post office was saying and scrapped them . and he didn't. scrapped them. and he didn't. and i think questions need to be asked of too. so you are asked of him, too. so you are right you said the leader right when you said the leader of opposition earlier, of the opposition earlier, because starmer has because i think keir starmer has questions answer as well, questions to answer as well, although wise?

although is that wise? >> after event, the >> after the event, given the fact was the office fact that it was the post office senior management were lying senior management who were lying through teeth? why is through their teeth? why is that? is that? keir starmer fault? why is that? keir starmer fault? why is that fault so fair point. >> the challenge back would be you can't suddenly have from no one committing any fraud or no material fraud in the post office, no material thefts in the post office from these subpostmasters to suddenly huge volume of these cases. how has that happened overnight? why have they all suddenly decided to do this on the same day, in the same year, as a result of this system change, why ? what this system change, why? what was it that in the human behaviour that could have caused that? clearly nothing. it was the and i would the system and i would have thought have looked thought a dpp might have looked at so i think there is, at that. so i think there is, there is a question there for sir keir starmer to answer. >> interesting answer. >> interesting answer. >> there's plenty more, isn't it. well, we're going to return to this with the papers at 1030 because i've got a good steer that this is dominating tomorrow's headlines. um, can i say not for cancel say i'm not one for cancel culture? you do have to culture? but you do have to wonder the position ed

wonder about the position of ed davey. not sure i'm on davey. i'm not sure i'm on record as ever, calling for someone to their job, but someone to lose their job, but do think he's gone too far do you think he's gone too far on occasion with his on this occasion with his handung on this occasion with his handling the post office handling as the post office minister? those postmasters handling as the post office minitheir those postmasters handling as the post office minitheir genuinee postmasters handling as the post office minitheir genuine concernsters handling as the post office minitheir genuine concerns ?rs handling as the post office minitheir genuine concerns ? has and their genuine concerns? has he got blood on his hands and a strong language? but people did take their lives. let me know your thoughts. he stay or your thoughts. should he stay or should go market gbnews.com. should he go market gbnews.com. now we've statement from now we've got a statement from the of the post the former boss of the post office, paula vennells. not a cbe anymore and she said i continue to support and focus on cooperating with the inquiry and expect to be giving evidence in the i have so far the coming months. i have so far maintained my silence as i considered it inappropriate to comment while the comment publicly. while the inquiry ongoing inquiry remains ongoing and before provided oral before i have provided my oral evidence. i am, however, aware of from subpostmasters evidence. i am, however, aware of others from subpostmasters evidence. i am, however, aware of others to om subpostmasters evidence. i am, however, aware of others to return jpostmasters evidence. i am, however, aware of others to return my;tmasters evidence. i am, however, aware of others to return my cbe.ters and others to return my cbe. i have listened and confirmed that i do return my cbe with immediate effect . i do return my cbe with immediate effect. i'm truly sorry for the devastation caused to the subpostmasters and their families whose lives were torn apart by being wrongly accused and wrongly prosecuted as a result of the horizon system. i

now intend to continue to focus on assisting the inquiry , and on assisting the inquiry, and will not make any further public comment until it has concluded . comment until it has concluded. there you go. well, that's her view. what is yours? let me know. but still to come, there's been a big reaction to my on air row with reform uk leader richard tice last night . richard tice last night. >> it's even more important that if someone does a bad job running the country, breaking the country, we, the voters have got to fire them. >> well, nigel farage has been tipped to return to frontline politics with reform. i'll be asking whether he's going to spearhead yet another political reform and, more importantly, am i in trouble with nigel? find out shortly . but next up in the out shortly. but next up in the head to head as a channel 4 diversity row breaks out over the appointment of four white directors to the board. are there too many white people in top jobs in britain? stick around to see what will be a furious debate. this is patrick christie's mark dolan with you all week on gb news

on gb news the people's channel, britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> you're watching patrick christys tonight with me, mark dolan, with you all week. lovely to have your company, nigel farage still to come reacting to my on air ding dong with richard tice last night, the leader of reform uk big reaction to the start of the show. our debate about the post office scandal

and whether ed davey should and whether sir ed davey should lose knighthood and whether lose his knighthood and whether he down as leader he should stand down as leader of liberal democrats. this of the liberal democrats. this from colin. hi mark, all about me ed davey should be giving the knighthood back. he should resign then he should be prosecuted. then he should be jailed with all the other disgusting people in this scandal. a big sell. there scandal. get a big sell. there must loads of them. there you must be loads of them. there you go. harsh words from colin. uh, sarah. he absolved himself sarah. he has absolved himself of any blame when he should have challenged just accepted challenged and not just accepted what told. there too what he was told. there were too many that were just not many things that were just not right. got i'm right. i've got to say, i'm struggling to any support struggling to find any support for davey at this stage, but for ed davey at this stage, but do keep that feedback coming. mark@gbillionews.com. it's time now the head to head . do you now for the head to head. do you love that little ding dong bell? channel 4 is tonight locked up in a diversity row after culture secretary lucy frazer approved the appointment of four white directors to their board , 14 out directors to their board, 14 out of 15 board members will now be white, which falls short of

their overall target for 20% of staff to be from ethnic minorities. it prompted the corporation's chairman, sir ian cheshire, to raise concerns . cheshire, to raise concerns. it's also now emerged that ministers actually blocked an ethnic minority woman. the former bbc exec rozina breen , former bbc exec rozina breen, from becoming a director , and from becoming a director, and breen has hit out , telling the breen has hit out, telling the deadune breen has hit out, telling the deadline online newspaper representation is essential and the all too live reality is that women of colour, especially in particular, face multiple barriers. more diverse senior decision makers are essential if broadcasting is to become a genuinely inclusive industry . so genuinely inclusive industry. so tonight i'm asking are there too many white people in british boardrooms? let me know your thoughts. market gb news. com tweet me at gb news. i'll bring you the results of the polls shortly. but to debate this, i'm delighted to welcome the conservative commentator eamonn bogle anti racism bogle and the anti racism activist ken haynes. um

brilliant. let's start with you, ken. if i could , uh, your ken. if i could, uh, your reaction to this development , um reaction to this development, um , i'm in total agreement that we need more more, um, diverse represent station on channel 4. >> i am very concerned that what we've got going on here is , is, we've got going on here is, is, um, is a whitewash . now, it's so um, is a whitewash. now, it's so it's so discouraging for people like me who grew up on, on on this racist banter that we're not good enough and so certain industry weren't for people like myself . so i industry weren't for people like myself. so i didn't industry weren't for people like myself . so i didn't look to go myself. so i didn't look to go to the city. i didn't look to play to the city. i didn't look to play tennis , i didn't look to play tennis, i didn't look to play play tennis, i didn't look to play golf. that that has an effect on my confidence . i feel effect on my confidence. i feel in 2024 it should be a platform , in 2024 it should be a platform, um, where the young people, young people from the black minority community, we should be able to not only dream the dream, but live the dream. and when we don't see people like us in the top boardroom because it's a white, it's a whitewash ,

it's a white, it's a whitewash, then that causes serious concern to me . to me. >> uh, i didn't realise that we've changed our cast list for tonight . and in fact, i'm tonight. and in fact, i'm delighted to say we've got albie amankona, who is, of course, a gb news presenter and political commentator. i'll be lovely to have you on the show. thank you for stepping in at the last minute. uh, do you agree with what ken had to say there? >> no, i don't agree with what ken had to in the specific ken had to say in the specific instance of channel 4. >> they've appointed five new people to the board, one of the five new directors of the board is a is from an ethnic minority background. a chap called tom adeola. and i personally as a as a black person, would hate to think that i had got a job just because i was black. what we should be doing when we are employing people is employing employing people is employing employing people is employing employing people based on their merits , based on who is best for merits, based on who is best for the job, not just based on how someone looks. and i think it's actually quite regressive for people say we should be people to say that we should be appointing people just because

they're because they're black or just because they're black or just because they're just because they're a woman, or just because they're gay. >> if actually look at >> and if we actually look at the process of the appointments process of this board, actually appointed board, they actually appointed someone who is from someone to the board who is from an minority background. an ethnic minority background. >> so that disproves this >> and so that disproves this whole idea that channel 4 or indeed culture secretary indeed the culture secretary is somehow racist. now ken, um, listen, before i come back to you, put a point to you you, let me put a point to you because i'm very you know, a great believer in diversity. because i'm very you know, a gre of)eliever in diversity. because i'm very you know, a gre of course, in diversity. because i'm very you know, a gre of course, in allersity. because i'm very you know, a gre of course, in all matters. >> of course, in all matters. but um, this particular set of rules at channel 4 is quite absurd because a certain percentage of people have to be disabled. why is that? why is a disability somehow unnecessary? uh, you know, condition of employment , uh, you know, condition of employment, but also people of a certain sexuality? who cares who you're shagging? it's channel 4. you're there to make television programmes . programmes. >> i'll tell you why. it's so important. because institutionalised racism doesn't just go with to the the police. it goes throughout the establishment , throughout great establishment, throughout great britain. racist about channel 4. >> one at a time. let ken finish his point. ken, finish your

point. i'll come back to. i'll be right. >> i'm i'm. i'm saying that that what is so important positive discrimination will help narrow that gap. and i feel this is a strong case for us to be represented in more than this one as a token. but having a real effect of having a body of people who look like me being on that trust. trustee ken, why this focus on skin colour? >> why can't somebody that's caucasian commission television programs for an audience of colour ? colour? >> because quite simply , when >> because quite simply, when i see that it goes it triggers, it triggers me back onto that planet ation to saying that the white man can only represent and knows what's best for the black. for my community. why can't i see somebody on my on my grandchild? see somebody like me in that boardroom? why must we have to, um, figure it out for ourselves? that we have to

believe, um, point of change, ken. just doing the mathematics. >> the uk is, is perhaps about sort of 12% ethnic. you know, that's only about 82% white. so if the boardroom is 1 in 5 ethnic, that does represent the national breakdown . national breakdown. >> if we want to move anything forward, we got to have radical change. we've got to be able to see more people like me in prominent position . it's no prominent position. it's no different to the football we see them all playing a footballer , them all playing a footballer, but not in management. well ken, i want to see i want to see people that look like you on on this show very often because you're a handsome devil. >> but i, i take your point. and, alby, how would you respond to there? ken's to what ken said there? ken's talking about change. which society needs. well first of all, one of the things cannes mentioned was that when he sees an all white board, he thinks of being on a plantation. >> well, ken has never been on a

slavery plantation in his life. he's far too young for that. look, the point is, we have seen a step change in this country in terms of having ethnic minority represent in high positions. our prime minister an ethnic prime minister is from an ethnic minority background. had minority background. we had a black chancellor last year. we have diverse cabinet in have the most diverse cabinet in history. of five new history. one of the five new board members who has been appointed channel five is appointed by channel five is from minority from an ethnic minority background. ken background. i don't think ken would happy unless all five would be happy unless all five of had appointed from of them had been appointed from ethnic backgrounds, ethnic minority backgrounds, which is just obviously isn't a practical thing. we've got to be putting people in jobs who are the best at those jobs. we shouldn't be employing people because of how they look, because of how they look, because of how they look, because of they're sleeping because of who they're sleeping with, of whether or not with, because of whether or not they're we they're male or female. we should employing the best should be employing the best people job. and ken's people for the job. and ken's method , ken's ideal society is method, ken's ideal society is not based on merit. it's based on how look. and that's on how people look. and that's just not practical. >> what do you think? uh, ken, how do you respond to what albie had to say there? >> look, he mentioned the prime minister i'm not not looking minister i'm not i'm not looking for gold digger. i'm looking for

gold. and my thing is simple. albie sits there. it's quite, i think, quite disingenuous because of the simple fact is i'm not talking about this. a person of colour. i'm talking about the person who has the necessary expertise , fees and necessary expertise, fees and qualification to sit on there. and you can't tell me we can't find people like that out there in our community. i mean, can i can i say to you, ken, is it not patronising going to ethnic individuals if they're there to tick a box? >> i mean , i don't imagine you >> i mean, i don't imagine you tick boxes. you're on this show because of your ability to convey your views and your experience as a as a commoner later. do you really want to be the token man of colour at channel 4 or anywhere else ? channel 4 or anywhere else? >> i thought i was on here for my good looks, but anyway, that's my bad. >> there is that so ? >> there is that so? >> there is that so? >> yeah. but personally, as i said before, not only does it for the presence, but also for

what i what i bring to the table, and that is through my lived experience because all too often when we have to go through a third party, a third party can't give the same kind of weight of argument that someone who've lived that experience could. and i think that's very important to bring into that, into that boardroom . um, okay. into that boardroom. um, okay. >> and listen, a final thought, albie, on this idea of sexuality, the idea that if you're trans, you identify as a different gender or if you're gay or bisexual, that somehow that qualifies you for a place on the channel four board. is that progress ? that progress? >> no, i don't think it is progress. >> look, channel 4 has made some exceptions . exceptions. >> all television content in the lgbt community, lgbtq space. i think of it's a sin. they don't have. think of it's a sin. they don't have . they've not been trying to have. they've not been trying to employ people who are gay in order to create this content. what should matter are the merits of people and how good they are at their job. how good are they at writing scripts?

>> how good are they at casting? >> how good are they at casting? >> how good are they acting? not whether or not they're gay, whether or not they're gay, whether not they're whether or not they're black, whether or not they're black, whether they're woman. whether or not they're a woman. >> be based on the >> it should be based on the merits. >> and goes for racial >> and that goes for racial background also sexuality background and also sexuality as well. a fantastic debate, >> what a fantastic debate, gentlemen. thank you so much for, furthering this for, uh, furthering this conversation. anti—racism conversation. the anti—racism activist and gb news activist ken haynes and gb news presenter and political commentator albie amankona. thank you chaps. so who do you agree with as a channel for diversity rally breaks out over its appointment of four white directors, are there too many white people in the boardroom? steve on says i don't care steve on x says i don't care about the colour of people's skin. it's their ability to do the job. think most others the job. and i think most others agree. why bring colour into it? isn't dave says isn't that racist? dave says yes, absolutely is . there yes, there absolutely is. there are simply too many white people in the boardroom. peter says talent and qualifications over race or colour and your verdict is in now 4% agree that there are too many white people in british boardrooms, 96% say there are not. a spokesman for

there are not. a spokesman for the departure for department for culture, media and sport has said the government is committed to advancing equality of opportunity, appointments to the channel four board were made by ofcom following a fair and open competition, with approval from the secretary of state, lucy fraser. okay folks , coming up, fraser. okay folks, coming up, sir robert buckland , the former sir robert buckland, the former justice secretary, says there is no time to lose for overturning all post office convictions . but all post office convictions. but can we still just trust the british justice system ? the british justice system? the former lord chancellor has strong words for his fellow politicians. he joins me shortly , confrontation , and my heated confrontation with richard tice last night has got people talking. >> it's even more important that if someone does a bad job running the country, breaking the country, we, the voters have got to fire them. well reform uk is surging up in the polls. >> so is nigel farage going to join the party and lead the next political revolution? i saw off twice last night, but what about nigel? he's next. you're watching patrick christys tonight with me. mark dolan on

monday to thursdays from. six till 930. >> in . my monologue at ten, i'll >> in. my monologue at ten, i'll be dealing with the leader of the opposition, keir starmer, and his rather murky legal career, and why it matters because, of course, he's likely going to be our next prime minister one day. >> it could be nigel farage who joins me now. and nigel, great to have you back on the show. i had quite the ding dong with your friend and colleague at

reform uk, richard tice. take a listen . studio hello, richard. listen. studio hello, richard. >> very good evening, mark. now listen, you're behind the times, my friend richard littlejohn in the daily mail. i think we may have it on the screen last friday. he quite rightly put up the headline. maybe the tories should stand down in favour of reform head to head i reform uk because head to head i beat keir starmer any day of the week. but you're thinking old school mark, what's going on here? why are you trying to perpetuate failure? you have to punish incompetence and failure. if you do a bad job presenting, you get fired. most definitely. it's even more important that if someone does a bad job running the , i.e. breaking the the country, i.e. breaking the country, we, the voters have got to them . to fire them. >> well, nigel, great to see you again . i haven't seen you since again. i haven't seen you since your triumph in the jungle. congratulations on that. now, of course, in his first major interview of the year, speaking to the telegraph newspaper, rishi sunak was talking about you. he said that a vote for farage is a vote for starmer,

something i echoed in my take at ten on sunday night and that was the debating point last night with richard tice. do you think that both i and rishi sunak have a point? you're going to hand the keys at number 10 to keir starmer. >> oh, you're all so boring. i've been hearing this election after election for the last 25 years. please don't vote ukip. don't vote brexit party, please. we're the people. we'll do the job and we'll keep you in the european union. was that was then. european union. was that was then . but now, mark, if you want then. but now, mark, if you want to stay in the echr vote, conservative. if you want legal migration to run at record ever levels more than double what it was even under tony blair, vote conservative. if you want to be lied to about stopping the boats , vote conservative. if you want a tax burden to be the highest it's been since 1951, vote conservative. if you want the state to grow at stunning levels , to be photographed by cameras , , to be photographed by cameras, to be fined for things you didn't even know you'd done wrong, vote conservative. if you

want to make sure that small businesses are crushed by increasing corporation tax by 30% in one fell swoop and not direct dating at all, despite brexit vote conservative. i think the point i'm making is that they have lied to us and that's the biggie. that's the biggie. the 2019 was an election where i not only did i get rid of mrs. may, but i stood aside for boris johnson . i wanted to for boris johnson. i wanted to get brexit done . of course i get brexit done. of course i did. and they made a series of promises in that manifesto that they never intended to keep. and now they're saying , look, we now they're saying, look, we know we're useless , but please know we're useless, but please vote for us because labour are worse, boring, boring , boring. worse, boring, boring, boring. our politics is failing at every level. we need a complete revolution in the way things are. nigel when you say we need are. nigel when you say we need a complete revolution, you ought to be taken seriously because you've done it with the de—banking scandal.

>> you've done it with brexit, and part of a and you're part of a broadcasting revolution. the front centre of the front and centre of the broadcasting revolution that is gb news. but what is the reform uk master plan? is it replace the tories over the next 5 to 10 years, or merge with them to make them better ? make them better? >> well, this is not a one election plan. >> i mean, let's be clear about that. you know, richard tice is not saying vote for us will form the next government. richard tice is saying vote for us and let's begin this revolution . we let's begin this revolution. we got back self—government . great. got back self—government. great. now we have to work out how to use it and how to do it rather more effectively than either labour or conservatives can. so it's a long terme game and will level with the voters on that. and ultimately , you know this and ultimately, you know this idea, vote , vote reform , you'll idea, vote, vote reform, you'll get labour. here's the truth of it. we're going to get labour anyway . i it. we're going to get labour anyway. i mean, did you see the today's yougov had labour 24 points ahead . so this attempt to

points ahead. so this attempt to try and squeeze the reform vote won't work because they're doomed. now, look, nigel, nigel, two quick questions before you go. >> first of all, i understand the strategy. you'd like to see the strategy. you'd like to see the tories destroyed and a proper conservative movement on the right. and i support that. my concern is the strategy could backfire. a bumper majority for keir starmer. he could do amazing damage with 150 seats as amazing damage with 150 seats as a majority . and what about the a majority. and what about the risk of labour and a decade in power? does that not keep you awake at night? >> well, i think labour have got a decade in power, almost written in already. such is the level of disenchantment at the conservatives and what they've done. remember this in 1974, the conservative party lost the election. you would have thought for all the world they were doomed after ted heath. but a new political philosophy and a new political philosophy and a new leader came along in margaret thatcher. they were only in opposition one only in opposition for one terme. the silent majority in this country agree with many of the things, mark you and i agree with. it's part of why gb news is doing as well as it is. i

don't know whether the conservatives are going to be replaced or whether they're going to be changed. and what i do know is that reform is going to play a very important role in realigning the centre right of british politics to give us a proper choice. and lastly, nigel, briefly, if you can, are you going to have a frontline role with reform in the run up to the next election? >> will you become leader or will you be the chairman ? are will you be the chairman? are you going to be front and centre of this revolution in the run up to november of next year, the likely election date? well i'm already the founder of the party. >> i chose the name , i set it >> i chose the name, i set it up. i'm the president. um, i'm going to support ben habib in the wellingborough by—election because i think actually it could be a very good wake up call for the whole westminster establishment as to as to whether i get more deeply involved or not. i don't know, i haven't decided weighing up haven't decided i'm weighing up all options . one of those all the options. one of those opfions all the options. one of those options being that i enjoy options being that i do enjoy being of the broadcasting

being part of the broadcasting revolution with you and the other guys and girls at gb news, and giving that up would be really a big price to pay . really quite a big price to pay. in ways. i don't yet know in many ways. i don't yet know what i'm going to do, but, you know, mistake, i do know, make no mistake, i do think reform the right think reform is on the right path over the course of the next six years to change british politics in a way that most can't imagine. >> okay, nigel, more power to you. great to see you again. and we'll catch up soon. gb news superstar nigel farage. okay, folks , i'll be dealing with keir folks, i'll be dealing with keir starmer in my monologue at ten. here's murky legal past. it's pretty outrageous . he won't want pretty outrageous. he won't want to miss it. i'm not pulling my punches. but the post office next former justice next and former justice secretary. you

welcome back to the show. now at 10:00. you won't want to miss this in my monologue, as the sun newspaper revealed that sir keir starmer saved axe murderers and baby killers while serving as a

top lawyer . baby killers while serving as a top lawyer. i'll be bringing into question his ethics and his judgement . into question his ethics and his judgement. but as the man that wants to be our next prime minister but first let's get more on the growing scandal around the post office, and let's speak to former lord chancellor and justice secretary sir robert buckland. sir robert , sir robert buckland. sir robert, thank you so much for your time . thank you so much for your time. um, what chance is there that the over 700 people falsely and wrongly convicted, prosecuted of stealing money from the post office will get exonerated and. >> well, i think now the chances grow by the hour. and i think that , uh, as grow by the hour. and i think that, uh, as parliament has been discussing this intensively since the revelations got an even wider audience due to that television drama, i think people are now realising the full extent of this scandal and the fact that we're not just talking about people who aren't guilty of any offence, but they are victims themselves of an

enormous , uh, scandal. and that enormous, uh, scandal. and that means that a lot of them just have run out of trust , energy, have run out of trust, energy, patience with the system and are not coming forward to get their names cleared. and that's why i think , exceptionally, bearing in think, exceptionally, bearing in mind the scale and nature of what's happened here, parliament needs to intervene most definitely. >> now, if this happened in the united states, i've got no doubt , sir robert, that the compensation bill would run into the tens , if not hundreds of the tens, if not hundreds of millions of pounds. is there a chance that these victims will get properly compensated . get properly compensated. >> i think there is. and there should be. we're not just talking about financial loss. we're talking about loss of reputation, loss of livelihood , reputation, loss of livelihood, sometimes loss of life . and as sometimes loss of life. and as the clock ticks on, we're losing more subpostmasters who are literally dying without justice being done . and that's why being done. and that's why i think expunging the convictions opens the door to a much swifter and easier compensation payment

system. you know, there are about 90 who've had their convictions overturned and payments have been made, which is good. but we are talking now about hundreds more who just aren't able to access justice, who feel that they can't trust the system, who don't want to go through the extreme pain of having to clear their name. which is why i think parliament should legislate to end these convictions and to clear the way for compensation to be paid quickly. >> what is the likelihood, do you think that that will happen in. >> well, i think there are two main outcomes here. one, parliament legislating to the court system itself being resourced to speed up these appeals, to deal with them en masse and to process them through the system in months rather than years. now that still requires people to come forward . and i'm not criticising forward. and i'm not criticising victims for not wishing to put themselves through the maelstrom of a court process. again, they've been wounded deeply as it , and that's why i think it is, and that's why i think the parliamentary option seems

it is, and that's why i think th

confidence in the machine, in it, in the infallibility of these processes . they were these processes. they were wrong. they failed . and we wrong. they failed. and we didn't have proper checks and balances to protect people's names. that's the question we've got to ask ourselves. and in a time when the machine now is becoming more part of our daily lives, i all these important developments, we've got to make sure that we don't lose our ethical compass along the way and that innocent people are protected from the vagaries of, you know, a rubbish in rubbish out data , uh, system. and that's out data, uh, system. and that's the real question i think we all need to ask ourselves today. >> does sir keir starmer, the leader of the opposition, have a case to answer for his handling of this, given that he was director of public prosecutions ? director of public prosecutions? well there's no doubt that the cps and the dpp have the power to take over private prosecutions like the ones we saw, uh, in the main from the post office. >> and either end them or carry them on themselves . i think that

them on themselves. i think that rather than pointing at individuals, it's far better to acknowledge that there's been a systemic failure here. and i think the inquiry of sir wyn williams, the independent former judge who's running that statutory investigation on into the failures here, will the systemic failures here, will reveal the full extent of what went wrong from top to bottom. the governance failures , the the governance failures, the failures in procurement of this system way back in the late 90s, 98, 99. that's the period we're looking back to and then coming up with constructive proposals about how we can prevent this sort of disaster, this scandal, from happening again , most from happening again, most definitely now, the software company at the heart of this scandal is fujitsu. >> they still enjoy government contracts worth upwards of £200 million a year, as the company itself is valued at £52 billion. sir robert do you think that they should be paying a higher price for their role in this scandal ? scandal? >> i think inevitably the contract and the management of

it by this company will have to be examined. it may well result in litigation in itself. um and i think clearly government are going to have to ask questions about future contracts that might be awarded and indeed look into what went wrong here. this is what i think the williams inquiry will will establish . and inquiry will will establish. and from then, let's hope that we can avoid lengthy and costly litigation that everybody fesses up to their failure and that we make sure that the money is going to the people who suffered first and foremost. and then we settle up all these other issues after after the victims have been compensated. >> but briefly, sir robert, do you think that fujitsu should write a massive cheque by way of apology to those victims ? apology to those victims? >> well, i think they've got questions to answer. and clearly the inquiry is revealing will reveal precisely what went wrong with the management of this contract. and i am sure, like the post office, fujitsu will bear responsibility for not just the financial cost, but the

human cost that this scandal has caused and therefore i want everybody to be in a spirit of openness, honesty in a way that we frankly not seen during the earlier stages of these prosecutions and a time for, uh, that openness that i think, uh, is owed to the victims and their families as last but not least, sir, uh , sir robert, your sir, uh, sir robert, your reaction to the news, the developing story that the former boss of the post office at the time, paula vennells, has handed back her cbe . well, i think back her cbe. well, i think that's a right and proper decision . i think there are decision. i think there are wider issues about honours being awarded to people involved in this scandal. uh, the awarded to people involved in this scandal . uh, the forfeiture this scandal. uh, the forfeiture committee is an independent committee can look at those issues.i committee can look at those issues. i would urge them to do so that we can make sure that our system , um, of awards, has our system, um, of awards, has integrity , that it's being run integrity, that it's being run integrity, that it's being run in a way that inspires public

confidence because we don't want to see a situation where, uh, the honour system , um, the the honour system, um, the justice system itself is called into question because of a failure, not just to deal with the individual cases that arise from this scandal, but the overall effect that it has upon our confidence in our system of justice and the ability of people to serve in our in our post offices, which is so important for many viewers and indeed, the integrity of our honours system . all these things honours system. all these things are linked , and that's why we are linked, and that's why we need to act to restore that trust . trust. >> my thanks to the former lord chancellor and secretary of for state justice, sir robert buckland mp . now coming up, i'm buckland mp. now coming up, i'm going to be dealing with keir starmer, who has quite a murky legal career. this is a guy who saved axe murderers and baby

killers whilst a top lawyer will be discussing his ethics and indeed his fitness for office. that's keir starmer in my monologue at ten. in just a few minutes time. so a busy hour to come. you're watching patrick christys tonight with me. mark dolan gb news that warm dolan on gb news that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news . evening. >> welcome to your latest weather update from the met office for gb news i'm alex deakin, another cold one tonight and tomorrow . quite a bit more and tomorrow. quite a bit more cloud tomorrow over northeast england and eastern scotland . england and eastern scotland. sunny skies definitely in the south. high pressure is still dominating our weather close to the centre of this high. we've seen some stubborn fog patches, the coming around the the breeze coming around the high bringing in a bit more cloud over northeast england and eastern during the eastern scotland during the night. so maybe 1 or showers night. so maybe 1 or 2 showers here and there as well. they'll be pretty light, pretty well scattered they be of scattered and they will be of rain, a little bit of snow rain, maybe a little bit of snow on further south. it's

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it's 10:00 it's10:00 and this is patrick christys tonight with me, mark dolan henri paul for all that's the principle . the principle. >> i've been proud to serve all my adult life as a human rights lawyer and at the crown prosecution service as the director of public prosecutions. i prosecuted them all. >> but should the labour leader be so confident? the sun reports , that starmer worked for free as a lawyer to save baby killers and axe murderers. i'll be asking whether this is the kind of man we want as prime minister i'll be dealing with keir starmer next. plus as she celebrates her 42nd birthday, is princess katherine showing? meghan markle how it's done and

curiously , joey barton yesterday curiously, joey barton yesterday lashed out at the home of free speech gb news and this program and i am involved so i'll be deaung and i am involved so i'll be dealing with joey barton as well. starmer barton i'll take him both on. we'll also bring you all of tomorrow's newspaper front pages hot off the press , front pages hot off the press, and there'll be news of long awaited justice for the post office scandal victims. plus my press pack tonight, the brilliant nana akua ranil jayawardena mp and rebecca reid . jayawardena mp and rebecca reid. so a big hour of television coming your way. buckle up, britain, we're live . britain, we're live. email me now. do you trust the keir starmer's judgement? we need to have that conversation because he's probably going to because he's probably going to be our next prime minister mark at gb news. com lots to get

through. don't go anywhere but first, headlines and polly first, the headlines and polly middlehurst . mark thank you. middlehurst. mark thank you. >> good evening to you. well, the top story from the gp newsroom tonight is that the leader of the liberal democrats, ed davey, has told today ed davey, has told gb news today he be handing back his he won't be handing back his knighthood post office knighthood over the post office scandal, despite being the minister at the time . minister in charge at the time. it follows the former post office boss, paula vennells, handing back her cbe with immediate effect today. there were widespread calls for her to return the honour after the honzon return the honour after the horizon it scandal. more than 700 post office staff were convicted , jailed, bankrupted, convicted, jailed, bankrupted, some even taking their own lives after the faulty software meant they were wrongly accused of theft . meanwhile, fujitsu, the theft. meanwhile, fujitsu, the parent company of horizon, has been called to answer mps questions next week over its role in the scandal. the prime minister saying fujitsu will be held accountable legally or

financially if it's found to have made mistakes , with have made mistakes, with parliamentary sources suggesting the prime minister will address the prime minister will address the matter in prime minister's questions tomorrow . so labour questions tomorrow. so labour has defended the use of fines to tackle school absence rates . tackle school absence rates. that's according to the shadow education secretary, who says a labour government would keep the policy in place . speaking at an policy in place. speaking at an eventin policy in place. speaking at an event in london, bridget phillipson said parents shouldn't take children out of school for cheaper holidays or birthday treats. that's after more than a fifth of pupils in england were persistent, absent across the autumn and spring. terms of 22 and 23. now let's bnng terms of 22 and 23. now let's bring you an update on events in ecuadon bring you an update on events in ecuador, where the authorities have regained control of a tv station after hooded gunmen burst onto the set earlier on. today live television images did show masked men, some waving guns inside the television station. that happening in the southwest of the country in guayaquil, in the port city.

there it's a day after the country's president declared a state of emergency following the escape of one of the country's most notorious drug gang bosses from prison . gunmen were seen from prison. gunmen were seen telling staff to lie down and sit on the floor. multiple gunshots were fired and no police was being yelled. police have since confirmed 13 arrests have since confirmed 13 arrests have been made here at home. 2023 was the hottest year on record, according to new european data. eu scientists comparing average world temperatures with global records going back to 1850. the european union's climate service says it was also likely to be the warmest year in the last 100,000 years, as and that as more than 110 flood warnings remain in place tonight , just as the uk place tonight, just as the uk prepares itself for an arctic blast to strike the country throughout next week , the met throughout next week, the met office is saying tonight there's another cold night in store for us tonight. temperatures widely

dropping to close to or below freezing, and the health security agency issuing an amber cold health alert , triggering cold health alert, triggering health responses for vulnerable people in parts of southern england . and it all follows england. and it all follows storm henk, which left large areas of ground flooded, with livestock trapped and thousands of properties damaged . that's of properties damaged. that's the news on gb news across the uk on tv, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel . is britain's news channel. >> the halo has slipped for saint keir starmer , our holier saint keir starmer, our holier than thou. soon to be prime minister, endlessly preaches about how he locked up dangerous criminals as director of public prosecutions. but sadly, that's not the full story . the cervix, not the full story. the cervix, free leader of the opposition , free leader of the opposition, famous for his wildly poor political judgement, campaigned for jeremy corbyn to be prime minister. he backed a second

brexit referendum . he called for brexit referendum. he called for more needless and failed lockdowns, saying he'd rather be with the globalist elite in davos, switzerland , than in davos, switzerland, than in westminster. it goes on and on and on. blimey i would never go to the races with this guy because he always backs the wrong horse. but whilst in my view he has a history of political misjudge government in a cracking piece of journalism by the sun newspaper and their top , harry cole thomas top hacks, harry cole and thomas godfrey , his moral virtue and godfrey, his moral virtue and certainly his professional ethics are brought into question as it's revealed that starmer worked for free as a lawyer for many years to help scores of twisted killers around the world, including a monster who buned world, including a monster who buried his two year old stepchild alive . live now , stepchild alive. live now, starmer supporters will argue this was part of a 20 year legal strategy across the world to get rid of the death penalty. although why you'd want to preserve the lives of some of the worst human beings in the

world has ever seen is beyond me. but the sun have done a deep dive into his legal career and identified multiple sick criminals who reduced their sentence , including jamaican sentence, including jamaican lambert watson, who slaughtered his girlfriend, and nine month old baby by stabbing them in the neck. charming. he helped a malawi and murderer who tied up his two year old stepson before burying him alive. and how about the ugandan axe murderer, who slayed his girlfriend in front of her children? now barristers operate under what is referred to as the cab rank rule, where they take the next available case that's given to them and serve their clients without fear or favour . by sometimes or favour. by sometimes defending dreadful people, lawyers are simply doing their job and serving justice. but as top barrister stephen barrett points out on twitter today , points out on twitter today, these are political choices that sir keir made as part of a private political campaign in now, starmer's people will argue he took no money to represent

these people. well, i think that makes it worse for his defenders, say on social media that the convictions against the aforementioned monsters were unsafe because of a lack of legal representation or due process , but the reality is that process, but the reality is that these monsters who crime, whose crimes are far too egregious to even imagine . they were helped even imagine. they were helped by starmer , whose brand is all by starmer, whose brand is all about being the sharing, caring former human rights lawyer. did he spare a thought for the human rights of the victims of the post office scandal when he failed to intervene in the prosecution of innocent subpostmasters when he's when he was director of the public prosecutions? i don't think so. so starmer sells himself as the good guy. but with this story, i think we've seen the good and the bad and the ugly. your reaction mark at gb news .com to reaction mark at gb news .com to react to all of that i'm delighted to welcome gb news star nana akua for our environment secretary, conservative mp ranil

jayawardena , and author and jayawardena, and author and journalist rebecca reid. well there you go. are you surprised to hear about it? keir starmer's back catalogue of misjudgements. >> well, i mean , well, this is >> well, i mean, well, this is the man who presided over the dps the whole issue with dps during the whole issue with jimmy savile. obviously he had no with it in that no connection with it in that respect, no direct connection with it. but he did head up the division. no question division. there's no no question about my problem with about that. but my problem with this is you have this wokerati, these woke so—called do gooders who are going to help people and so on and so forth. he had a choice as to whether he was going to work with these people, and he chose to do it if he were and he chose to do it if he were a business, then the advertisers would be withdrawing their advertising, because that's how the world is. and i just find it incredible literally every incredible that literally every call he keeps making is wrong . call he keeps making is wrong. and i'd be afraid to have somebody like that leading this country. frightening country. it's frightening the people represented. people that he's represented. and yes , he may have been and yes, he may have been thinking he's doing a good thing

by helping mass murderers so that they don't face the full force of what he believes maybe is an punishment, but is an inhumane punishment, but at the end of the day, who side is he on? if you give it to me, i'll be the one who presses the button and allows this death penalty to happen. i would actually bring he actually bring it back. he doesn't understand the environment dealing in environment that he's dealing in in africa and other places where a lot of it is more brutal and more barbaric, he should stay out of it. >> i got to say, i think you'd make a charming executioner. i think you had to go death by think if you had to go death by nana sign me up. rebecca, do you care to make the case for the defence? >> i think it shows how desperately sad and scared a lot of people are of keir starmer. there are so many legitimate criticisms of him as a leader of the opposition. i'm frustrated by lots of ways. this by him in lots of ways. this looks his looks pathetic. this was his job. openly and clearly job. he openly and clearly believed that the death penalty is wrong . that his choice. is wrong. that is his choice. i understand that not everybody is wrong. that is his choice. i unde|thatd that not everybody is wrong. that is his choice. i unde|that way,t not everybody is wrong. that is his choice. i unde|that way,t nocommonwealth feels that way, but commonwealth countries that he was trying to do is bring commonwealth countries in line with uk countries in line with the uk policy, is no death

policy, where there is no death penalty. that means that penalty. now that means that there no death for there is no death penalty for anyone, no how evil they anyone, no matter how evil they are. all he was doing is trying to the death penalty to overturn the death penalty thatis to overturn the death penalty that is a perfectly reasonable, legitimate such legitimate aim. and to use such emotive to start emotive language to start digging cases of times where digging up cases of times where he do that in order to he had to do that in order to get rid the death penalty or get rid of the death penalty or help get of penalty. help get rid of death penalty. it's it's it's manipulative and it's childish a bit childish and it's a bit pathetic. and moreover , the only pathetic. and moreover, the only reason one of the great things about country is our about this country is our justice system. one of great justice system. one of the great i the post office scandal i mean, the post office scandal obviously doesn't speak well of it, broadly speaking, the it, but broadly speaking, the right fair trial is a right to a fair trial is a beautiful and magical and important thing, cannot important thing, and you cannot have you have have that unless you have people willing anybody. willing to defend anybody. the way people in way that you get people in prison having good, proper prison is by having good, proper lawyers defending anybody and everybody that can't everybody, so that you can't then overturn trials by suggesting no defence. suggesting there was no defence. well, starmer well, that is what keir starmer did. about his moral compass >> what about his moral compass though? even i was though? because even if i was doing that, i would be somebody who say, look, not who would say, look, i'm not going people like going to represent people like that. then my moral that. but then my own moral compass, then the great, compass, then with the great, with greatest, i would be with the greatest, i would be the would be a terrible

>> so i would be a terrible barrister. i can't, i couldn't be a lawyer because i'd be like, oh, i think you seem like you were saying he his were saying he was doing his job, he did this. job, but but he did this. >> didn't have to do that. >> he didn't have to do that. right. you say he'd have to. >> you said his job. no, you said doing job, said he was doing his job, but he unpaid. this was he did this unpaid. this was a political project. >> these are two different things he represented. there have about have been multiple stories about him this. of them him to do with this. one of them is represented unsavoury is that he represented unsavoury people uk, one people in the uk, and one of them that helped represent them is that he helped represent people when he people abroad. and when he was trying the death trying to overturn the death penalty, now on former penalty, he now on the former point job. he had point that was his job. he had to on the latter point, he to do it on the latter point, he felt that death penalty felt that the death penalty was wrong. i feel that we might not all personally. all agree on that personally. i'm anti—death even i'm anti—death penalty even for people personally like people i personally would like to but if with that mind, >> but if with that in mind, rebecca, if somebody to rebecca, if somebody said to you, okay, you have to do you, okay, you don't have to do this, you represent you, okay, you don't have to do this,mass you represent you, okay, you don't have to do this,mass murderer? 'epresent you, okay, you don't have to do this,|thinknurderer?'epresent you, okay, you don't have to do this,|think�*nurhim,?'epresent you, okay, you don't have to do this,|think�*nurhim,?'ep general. >> i think for him, the general. but i was, i'm asking but if i if it was, i'm asking you if it was you, you wouldn't do it, you? don't know, do it, would you? i don't know, i a very bad person i mean, i'd be a very bad person to do because very ill to do it because i'm very ill qualified. believe qualified. but i believe sufficiently in the death penalty would penalty being wrong that i would agree that even who agree that even people who murder be put

murder children shouldn't be put to would you though? >> would you do it, though? because i believe, because even if i believe, would i defend i stand up in court and defend somebody, more somebody, i think i'd be more likely to. >> rebecca, i need to come to renewal. but about the fact renewal. but what about the fact that the actions sir keir that the actions of sir keir starmer saw some of these monsters early? monsters leave jail early? shorter sentences? >> were >> the sentence that we were looking 19 and looking at was 19 years and the guy in question was high on drugs had some very drugs and had some very significant basically was significant was basically was not was not within there not uh, was not within there still committed murder. oh no. he's evil people. okay. he's still an evil people. okay. he's still an evil people. okay. he's still an evil, evil, evil piece of what? i won't say he shouldn't get out early because he was taking drugs, but fundamentally, 19 years is a very okay is very long sentence. okay this is ryan o'neal. >> this just over to you. >> this is just over to you. >> this is just over to you. >> this is just over to you. >> this is just a glimpse, though future labour though, of what a future labour government would be. you know, i actually have to say, i think rebecca's right in, in terms of everyone deserves to have legal representation. get that, um, representation. i get that, um, he's made a choice here. yeah. um, and let's set the death penalty aside for a second. he's made a choice here that he wanted to run a political campaign when he was paid by the taxpayer as director of public prosecutions . i think there are

prosecutions. i think there are questions about that . i think questions about that. i think he's chosen to run that political campaign instead of defending the subpostmasters, because he should have used his spare time when he was dpp to maybe look at some of the cases going on in this country for which he was paid. well, hang on, hang on, he's paid to do, uh, direct public prosecutions for england and wales that was his job. and he didn't do it. um, but also it's, you know, frankly , it's not for britain to frankly, it's not for britain to decide. and i don't think it's right for the director of public prosecutions for this country to decide what another country's judicial system should or should not have as a, as a penalty. we might have our own views , we might have our own views, we might have our own views, we might our own views on all might have our own views on all sorts there sorts of things, but it's there any to their any other country to make their own decisions. >> is it not to >> briefly, is it not nice to have minister have a potential prime minister with deep principles? that's what rebecca would argue. >> deep principles >> well, deep principles of allowing subpostmasters to allowing our subpostmasters to go prison. so that you could go to prison. so that you could save other people. >> don't think he's aware that. >> indeed, you know, e indeed, you know,

>> and indeed, you know, if you look at some of the other statements as statements he's made as a politician, to politician, he's he wants to bnng politician, he's he wants to bring back court for bring back new court cases for veterans who served in northern ireland. repealing legislation. >> rebecca, don't >> briefly, rebecca, i don't think say think you can reasonably say that happened that everything that happened while was working as director while he was working as director of with him in of prosecutions ends with him in the say the same way that you can't say that happened the same way that you can't say thatprime happened the same way that you can't say thatprime minister, happened the same way that you can't say thatprime minister, not)pened the prime minister, not everything happened everything that happened when david cameron. >> they quite >> well, they were quite happy to boris for to castigate boris for everything happened everything that happened under his so they i'm not most people, >> so they i'm not most people, everyone that doesn't >> so they i'm not most people, everyeither. that doesn't work either. >> david. hey david, not mainstream >> david. hey david, not ma you eam blame person >> you cannot blame one person for . for everything. >> you're in charge of it. you're six figure you're paid the six figure salary. you're the buck starts with. >> but then it was. but then it was the pm's fault or the postmasters by that logic. >> no, he was head of dps >> well, no, he was head of dps at above him is at the time, but above him is the minister. the prime minister. >> he's charge >> yeah, but he's in charge of the. you the person the. but if you say the person in in of in charge is in charge of everything, tell in charge is in charge of everwhat g, tell in charge is in charge of everwhat we're tell in charge is in charge of everwhat we're going tell in charge is in charge of everwhat we're going to tell in charge is in charge of everwhat we're going to do. you what we're going to do. >> do you know what going >> do you know what we're going to do? we're going to pick this up because story up at 1030, because this story is tomorrow. is all over the papers tomorrow. so us for 1030. so do stick with us for 1030. and press pack, in which we and our press pack, in which we will resume this heated debate. a want get a better crack on don't want get in producer lucy.

in trouble with producer lucy. we've got a statement from a labour said labour spokesperson who said given of miscarriages given the number of miscarriages of have sir of justice, there have been, sir keir starmer does not support the okay folks, the death penalty. okay folks, tonight's panel of pundits join me to run through the front pages. as i said. plus, find out why joey barton has taken very why joey barton has taken a very pubuc why joey barton has taken a very public at gb news. it public dig at gb news. it involves me and it involves this programme. we will deal with that very, very shortly. but next, celebrates her 42nd next, as she celebrates her 42nd birthday, catherine, birthday, is princess catherine, showing meghan markle how it's done. plus, should we be worried about a poll showing that public support for the monarchy is below 50% for the first time? plus the prince andrew latest, all of that

on gb news, the people's channel on gb news, the people's channel, britain's news channel . channel, britain's news channel. >> welcome back . editor at large >> welcome back. editor at large of the mail on sunday charlotte griffiths joins me now live in the studio to offer her unrivalled royal insight. so i'm looking forward to this debate so many stories to get through and don't forget the papers are on their way. but let's crack on with dispatch . there with the royal dispatch. there you go folks . breaking news. you go folks. breaking news. prince andrew was spotted for the first time since the release of the epstein files today. the first time since the release of the epstein files today . as of the epstein files today. as pressure continues to grow on the disgraced duke andrew, who has vehemently denied all allegations, was seen at the wheel of his car driving away from his home, the royal lodge in windsor, after being named 69

times in the bombshell court documents. there's no suggest that andrew or anyone else named the documents had anything to do with the epstein crime or had the documents had anything to do withknowledgen crime or had the documents had anything to do with knowledge of rime or had the documents had anything to do with knowledge of them. r had the documents had anything to do with knowledge of them. butd any knowledge of them. but charlotte, first of all, we've seen him again. what do you think this ordeal is doing to prince andrew on a very personal and human level? well on a personal level, he's at a very low ebb. >> okay, so that's probably obvious , but friends are really obvious, but friends are really saying, seriously, he's at a really low ebb. there are reports today that he was locked in his room for a portion of this week, and sarah ferguson has in double has been drafted in to double down on her wifely duty, even though not married, she though they're not married, she is much non—stop to is very much on hand non—stop to just keep him going . but having just keep him going. but having said that, on christmas day, he was videoed in sandringham. this video has emerged of him recently sort of berating his own fans. and on classic prince andrew form being sort of quite boonsh andrew form being sort of quite boorish and patronising . so. so boorish and patronising. so. so sometimes you see a clip like that and you think, well, actually maybe he's just fine and just powering on and he's just powering on through burying in

through and burying his head in the know , he didn't he the sand, you know, he didn't he certainly seem certainly didn't see seem contrite day, for contrite that day, that's for sure. contrite that day, that's for sun he's contrite that day, that's for sur>i decades? >> i don't know, and this is the question that all of his friends have been asking. and, you know, their that he can't their big worry is that he can't even go shooting. he even really go shooting. he can't, can't. there's some can't, he can't. there's some bafic can't, he can't. there's some basic do if basic things that you can do if you're sort posh royal you're a sort of posh royal living the country and living in the country and actually been socially actually he's been socially outcast some those. outcast from even some of those. so , he's and he certainly so he's, he's and he certainly can't do any charity or any can't do any charity work or any royal any kind , royal work of any kind, especially now in light of especially now in the light of this second of. well, this second batch of. well, yeah, should i say that yeah, i should i should say that he named 67 times he was, i think, named 67 times in sort of 900 pages, 69 times. >> it was 69. i thought it was 69. >> that's the number that everyone. >> that's why it's corrected. it and said 69. >> yeah. and so , you know, the >> yeah. and so, you know, the bottom line is that it's obviously damning . he's not obviously very damning. he's not been found guilty of any of these crimes. he's settled out of with virginia giuffre . of court with virginia giuffre. um, is there a sense that this

guy is the victim of trial by media, trial by public opinion? is there any ounce of sympathy for prince andrew? >> oh, there's no there's not much sympathy going around. i mean, alan dershowitz has been quite sympathetic this week and said, you know, his mum said, well, you know, his mum pressured him into settling . and pressured him into settling. and actually, he he didn't actually, you know, he he didn't do shouldn't have settled. >> so we've sarah ferguson know with virginia. >> oh, i see, yeah. >>— >> oh, i see, yeah. >> sorry. i thought you said about the romantic history of prince andrew settled out. >> yes. the papers are >> yes. and the papers are saying today if gone saying today that if he'd gone to he would have won. to court, he would have won. >> have won. >> he would have won. so i suppose. but i mean, not suppose. but i mean, it's not like everyone's to like everyone's flooding to defend of that, defend him. in light of that, you want alan to be you don't really want alan to be your supporter in this your only supporter in this world. i don't think yeah. world. i don't think so. yeah. um, there um, i think i think there isn't, but what mean, but i know what you mean, because actually been because he's never actually been found any of these found guilty of any of these crimes and there he is in crimes. and yet there he is in purgatory , you know, in purgatory, you know, locked in his conduct his his room, unable to conduct his life in any way. >> and his lady victoria >> and his pal, lady victoria harvey, show . harvey, good friend of the show. so he's been done so she says that he's been done up like a right royal kipper, i know. >> well, these are his two great

defenders. his lady victoria harvey and alan dershowitz. you know, they're the um , know, they're not the most, um, i don't know. they're not the best witnesses, reliable witnesses. i'm trying to find the most negotiated, um, diplomatic way of saying this, but, you know , that's it. he's but, you know, that's it. he's got two people sticking up for him point. not. him at this point. it's not. it's many, it? it's not many, is it? >> it most definitely isn't. >> no, it most definitely isn't. catherine is now 42. >> . >> yes. >> yes. >> and well, it's a pretty loaded question, but is she showing meghan markle how it's done? >> the classic meghan versus perfect princess debate ? perfect princess debate? >> um, i think i think she is, though, showing meghan markle how it's done. there was a time in 2018, i think one of your clips showed it earlier when meghan speaking meghan and kate were speaking together in a royal forum, and meghan was speaking a lot better than kate. and it was it started to become very apparent that there risk here that there was a real risk here that meghan outshine kate in meghan might outshine kate in the speaking arena, but the public speaking arena, but what kate's done, which is what she's brilliant at, is just stood back , stayed calm, stayed stood back, stayed calm, stayed quiet just waited for harry

quiet and just waited for harry and meghan to thrash it out, tie themselves in knots , not throw themselves in knots, not throw lurid accusations and her way via their royal biographer. and, you know, apparently it's, you know, via meghan and she's just stayed calm, stayed quiet and she's emerged the victor. and you know, we always used to tease her, the tabloid media for being , katie. but being weighty, katie. but actually kind of a positive actually it's kind of a positive thing because she's waiting thing because she's just waiting it out she fabulous. it out and she looks fabulous. at and nobody at 42. she's elegant and nobody and nobody's bringing up the royal racist thing. on her birthday today. i mean, i can imagine meghan markle might have expected up , but it expected that to come up, but it doesn't because people sort of admire kate and think she's fabulous . fabulous. >> well, great news. and >> well, this is great news. and actually year the actually it's a year since the release. the public version of spare and a lot of those, you know, sort of the dirty know, the sort of the dirty laundry being washed in public. and so she can actually enjoy this birthday and look this birthday in peace and look back quite a good for back on quite a good year for catherine. yeah. she's catherine. really? yeah. she's had a brilliant year she's had a brilliant year and she's had a brilliant year and she's had as well, had the coronation as well, where fabulous. where she just looked fabulous. >> a great >> and yeah, she's had a great yeah >> and yeah, she's had a great year. you know, she's year. and you know, she's running a tight ship with her

family well. and she's family as well. and she's getting tougher and tougher as the by. and you know the years go by. and you know actually spare was spare. did her a favour because in spare harry wrote to every other chapter about how meghan was on the crying at or on the floor crying at this or on the floor crying at this or on the crying at that, and the floor crying at that, and you know, there's always been this and this narrative from meghan and harry's the harry's camp that meghan's the strong one and kate's the weak one. but spare portrayed meghan as this kind of weak, sort of flailing character on the floor and actually, kate is the tough one that made meghan cry and actually, we are getting this picture emerging kate a picture emerging of kate as a bit a tough underneath picture emerging of kate as a bi all. a tough underneath picture emerging of kate as a bi all. well,;h underneath picture emerging of kate as a bi all. well, indeed. underneath it all. well, indeed. >> now i think we'd all like a reconciled nation between the sussexes and windsors, sussexes and the windsors, wouldn't we? because these are human beings. well, you're not so sure , but. but would like so sure, but. but i would like if they could resolve things because, know it's because, you know, it's a shocker doesn't get shocker that charles doesn't get to spend time with his grandchildren in california and the um if there were some the like. um if there were some kind of peace talks, do you think there's any potential for catherine to forgive? meghan?

could those two ever be friends again ? again? >> they were never friends in the first place, so i don't think so. i'm meghan. i think kate could probably put on a good show if she had to, a bit like when the queen died . they like when the queen died. they had to walk around the crowds together. actually, that wasn't too convincing, but she might be able to do a more convincing double if it came many double act if it came to it many years down the line, and they ended a royal ended up doing a royal engagement again. uh engagement together again. uh i think she could probably put on a show . a good show. >> is the sort of >> whose fault is the sort of the division within that relationship ? ukip, you know, is relationship? ukip, you know, is it? catherine is it meghan? >> well, i think catherine was quite cool towards meghan and never warm her, never particularly warm to her, but didn't give her any but meghan didn't give her any leeway for meghan expected leeway for that. meghan expected a hug on their first meeting, turned with no shoes on. turned up with no shoes on. i mean, if i met the future queen of england, i wouldn't be. i would be wearing shoes for my first meeting and i'd wear heels , actually. yeah. definitely . , actually. yeah. so definitely. and it's a combination of meghan getting offended too easily and kate being particularly warm kate not being particularly warm and and what people don't

realise. >> and this is why i don't buy by of meghan markle sob by the kind of meghan markle sob story about british press. story about the british press. okay i've many friends in okay i've got many friends in fleet street , but when meghan fleet street, but when meghan markle arrived on the scene, fleet street were delighted because they found , as you because they found, as you mentioned, they found kate charming but a bit dull and they looked at meghan and thought, there's new diana. she there's our new diana. yeah, she was one was was the one that was storyboarded for, know, all, storyboarded for, you know, all, you of the fame and you know, all of the fame and glory. is of her making, glory. so this is of her making, isn't her exile and her isn't it? her exile and her losing out to catherine. she can only blame herself. i think so, i don't know if we thought she was new but we was the new diana, but we definitely thought going definitely thought she was going to glamorous . to be this amazing, glamorous. she didn't she made more headlines, didn't she ? she? >> oh, she did it first because she was fresh meat. i mean, that's goes. is that's how it kind of goes. is it own making? i it it of her own making? i think it probably because probably is, because she just she just couldn't give it time. and that's what we and that's what that's what we were saying earlier. kate can give that give things time. she has that ability play that game. ability to play that long game. and wasn't able to, and and meghan wasn't able to, and she tied herself knots she just tied herself in knots and quickly . you and burnt out quite quickly. you know, it kind of her style went

like that and then down again before to your before you go back to your palace, for by the palace, paid for by the newspaper group that you work for. >> um, can i ask you about the recent poll that suggests the royal family not quite as popular as they might once have been? it was below 50% been? i think it was below 50% support in one particular poll. yes there's no need to worry about. it the fault of about. and is it the fault of prince andrew? >> sceptical that >> i'm. i'm sceptical about that poll because was poll for a start, because it was commissioned by republic. but say we it the benefit of say we gave it the benefit of the doubt. we the doubt. okay. so we are experiencing the post queen lull right so charles right now. so charles has done a good job first year. he's good job in his first year. he's made clangers. andrew good job in his first year. he's made helping clangers. andrew good job in his first year. he's made helping matters. |ers. andrew good job in his first year. he's made helping matters. but andrew good job in his first year. he's made helping matters. but irndrew is not helping matters. but i think as those young royals come up and they become incredibly glamorous, you imagine glamorous, do you imagine charlotte in 20 years time? she's she looks she's going to be. she looks just queen already. just like the queen already. she's got kate's poise. she's the grandchild of diana the grandchild of princess diana . she's got prince william as her you they'll her father. you know, they'll come they'll grab the come up and they'll grab the attention nation and attention of the nation and we'll fall completely in love with all with the whole royal family all over and so i think it's over again. and so i think it's a case of giving it time. i don't think the monarchy is going crash and it's going to crash and burn. it's only been year since the only been a year since the queens a lot of people

only been a year since the queyassociate a lot of people only been a year since the queyassociate the a lot of people only been a year since the queyassociate the monarchy aople only been a year since the queyassociate the monarchy with just associate the monarchy with the so that kind of needs the queen so that kind of needs to off. that of to wear off. that sort of association person. and people will really fond association person. and people wi prince really fond association person. and people wi prince charles really fond association person. and people wi prince charles or really fond association person. and people wi prince charles or kingy fond of prince charles or king charles as the grandfather of the nation. and i think slowly and slowly polls will and slowly those polls will start coming up again. that's a very charlotte , very cheery message, charlotte, great to see you. >> thank you so much forjoining us. catch up again soon. us. we'll catch up again soon. you watching patrick you are watching patrick christie's with mark christie's tonight with me, mark dolan thanks the mail on dolan. my thanks to the mail on sundays. griffiths. sundays. charlotte griffiths. now , we'll run through now coming up, we'll run through all pages. all of tomorrow's front pages. hot tonight's hot off the press with tonight's passionate find passionate panel. but next, find out barton is refusing out why joey barton is refusing to appear on this very channel. and this show. that's right. this is involved what this show is involved in what has become a twitter spat. and yes, i'm involved too. so i'll be dealing with joey barton in two don't go anywhere .

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doesn't he come on the show? joey over to you. it could be fun . i'm not joey over to you. it could be fun. i'm not an joey over to you. it could be fun . i'm not an ex—footballer , fun. i'm not an ex—footballer, but i do have balls now , folks, but i do have balls now, folks, let's have a look at tomorrow's front pages. so many big stories to sink our teeth into. so let's get cracking . and we start with get cracking. and we start with the metro and let's have a look at their headline. of course, it's the only story in town, and it's the only story in town, and it's the only story in town, and it's the post office scandal. i've listened. i'm sorry, says former office chief. uh former post office chief. uh vennells . uh, paula vennells has vennells. uh, paula vennells has given up her cbe after victims 25 year fight for justice. five years on from leaving with £5 million and a cbe. years on from leaving with £5 million and a cbe . one week million and a cbe. one week after bombshell tv dramas and has 1.2 million people sign a petition . shamed post office petition. shamed post office scandal chief paula finally gets the message and hands back her gong. the message and hands back her gong . also, the epstein files gong. also, the epstein files sex, lies and videotape . it's sex, lies and videotape. it's the headline those bad headlines will not go anywhere. they will not go away. for prince andrew,

uh, the independent. now, andrew may have been pressured by the queen settle epstein's sex queen to settle epstein's sex case also as disgraced case and also as disgraced former post office chief hands back her cbe and apologises for devastation to lives of hundreds of wrongly prosecuted . of wrongly prosecuted. subpostmasters now tell the truth about what you knew and when . sun newspaper now post when. sun newspaper now post office exclusive plea from princess postmaster kate stood by me. now i want forjustice us all. a postmaster backed by princess kate and her family in his ten year fight for justice demands today. now overturn every conviction. this is a the postmaster at the middletons village shop . um. and he said village shop. um. and he said that they supported him a lot as he got a suspended sentence for false accounting , but it was false accounting, but it was course overturned. telegraph next. architects of postal scandal demands immunity. it expert who created faulty software has twice had his testimony to inquiry delayed

rac. excuse me. hrt hormone replacement therapy linked to increased risk of arthritis and scottish parents face jail . if scottish parents face jail. if they stop children changing genden they stop children changing gender. we'll have a look at that story as well. and the i newspaper has just come in hot off press post office off the press post office scandal fujitsu, given vip scandal firm fujitsu, given vip treatment to win major new uk deals . there you go . well, look, deals. there you go. well, look, let's get full reaction from my brilliant panel tonight. gb news superstar nana akua , former superstar nana akua, former environment secretary, conservative mp ranil jayawardena and author and journalist rebecca reid . folks, journalist rebecca reid. folks, let's get our teeth into this post office scandal and, uh, we need to talk about fujitsu , need to talk about fujitsu, rebecca, because they are the japanese software giant responsible for this faulty honzon responsible for this faulty horizon software . the company is horizon software. the company is valued at £52 billion. now, the compensation been paid so far to the victims of this scandal,

about 150 million has been picked up by the uk taxpayer. do you think fujitsu should do more? >> of course they should. i'm like, there is no question. of course they should. they should want they should. whoever is want to. they should. whoever is in charge of fujitsu be in charge of fujitsu should be reading and awful reading this and feeling awful and want give them money, and and want to give them money, and then there probably then also, there should probably be about how when be a conversation about how when issues raised about issues were being raised about horizon, was still being horizon, fujitsu was still being given contracts and i think i'm right in saying that's under both. that's under two different governments. that doesn't stop with the other. that with one or the other. that is just a failure from everybody who was in charge. just a failure from everybody wh(indeed. charge. a joke . >> indeed. and what a sick joke. nana after terrible nana that after this terrible injustice, fujitsu should be enjoying government contracts to the tune of £200 million a year? yeah it's wrong and actually , yeah it's wrong and actually, again, i said it before that. >> i think there's somebody should be potentially put in jail for some this because jail for some of this because it's scandal and they are it's a scandal and they are continuing to get contracts from the government. the government of both parties . you know, of of both parties. you know, of the day at that time. now we

know about the situation, even though it was clear there was something going wrong . um, why something going wrong. um, why are they still awarding contracts ? i don't understand contracts? i don't understand that. i think contracts that. i think all the contracts they've been awarded need to be reviewed, they need reviewed, and i think they need to other ways to be dispersed to other ways because can no longer they to be dispersed to other ways bectnoa can no longer they to be dispersed to other ways bectno longer:an no longer they to be dispersed to other ways bectno longer be no longer they to be dispersed to other ways bectno longer be given 1ger they can no longer be given government contracts government government contracts because that's ultimately our money. prime minister money. has your prime minister the of your party done the leader of your party done enough nettle on enough to grasp the nettle on this issue? >> well, i think in to >> well, i think in fairness to him hollinrake , the him and to kevin hollinrake, the minister right now, paul scully, the minister who actually kicked off the inquiry, um , if it off the inquiry, um, if it hadnt off the inquiry, um, if it hadn't been for these guys doing this stuff, still be in the this stuff, we'd still be in the situation we were in when ed davey was the minister or indeed peter mandelson before him. >> you know, is not itv >> so you know, is it not itv actually should . actually they should. >> well, no, no, no, hang on, hang hang on. no, no hang on. >> good drama. >> good drama. >> honestly scully, the >> honestly paul scully, the minister 2020, was the first minister in 2020, was the first minister who actually got it . minister who actually got it. >> you know, until then all these ministers is 2020. so these ministers this is 2020. so you we're in 2024, 2020 is you know, we're in 2024, 2020 is the first minister who got it. he gb last week actually. he was my gb last week actually. um because previously all the

ministers had just believed what the post office had said. they'd just got the piece paper from just got the piece of paper from their officials and said, yep, that's and the official that's fine. and the official went, thank you, minister paul scully was the first one who said, you know what? this just doesn't feel right to me. we need have inquiry. and so, need to have an inquiry. and so, you think that's i think you know, i think that's i think in three years then and then suddenly the drama comes. >> also, don't think, >> but also, don't you think, paul scully paul skirt hang on, paul scully was the minister. >> he kicked off the inquiry. that happened immediately. that happened in 2020. it's only because of the inquiry so because of the inquiry that so much out . and the thing much has come out. and the thing about here and it's about fujitsu here and it's fujitsu and the post office, a lot trials were based on lot of the trials were based on this false accounting. only you, the subpostmaster, could have put information and it put the information in and it transpired that there was a back doon transpired that there was a back door, that the coding from fujitsu, which is why it's on the the tale today the front page of the tale today , tomorrow, rather the was a back door that allowed someone else to tinker with data and that fundamentally remove the bafis that fundamentally remove the basis for all these prosecute

ons, which is why it is now right that the government is looking to speed that up. but they need to speed up more quickly . they need to make it quickly. they need to make it easier for people to get the drama. >> it took a drama for people to actually to take notice of actually to take real notice of it, but fujitsu should be sued in i agree anyway, so in my view. i agree anyway, so that, rebecca that, you know, i think rebecca also, apparent also, there had been apparent there's dispatches or there's either a dispatches or a panorama it. panorama or both about it. >> think honestly, it is >> and i think honestly, it is a testament to the fact one testament to the fact that one of the we do best in this of the things we do best in this country drama great country is great drama and great journalism, because those are the reasons happened. the only reasons this happened. it's good public service broadcasting, why broadcasting, and that is why it's so important that we continue i continue to invest in it. i don't get into license don't want to get into license fees that's fees and stuff, but that's why we bbc. we have the bbc. >> itv anywhere in >> well, the itv anywhere in this in any way that this country in any way that makes good journalism and anywhere makes drama anywhere that makes good drama because and it's. >> and would you agree, would you agree that be the you agree that should be the same all same in fleet street where all newspaper allowed to newspaper titles are allowed to sort pursue the truth . sort of pursue the truth. >> and whether it's the daily mail, the telegraph or the mirror and the guardian desperately concerned about the sale the telegraph sale of the telegraph potentially very i think potentially having very i think we're into issues we're getting into issues we don't to discuss.

don't have time to discuss. >> i think i just i'm very >> but i think i just i'm very proud the proud of the way that that the post scandal has been post office scandal has been changed drama by journalists. >> share concerns >> do you also share concerns about online campaign groups who claim but claim to be against hate, but are really just debate, are really just against debate, who targeting broadcasters who are targeting broadcasters and condemn and newspapers? do you condemn them wholeheartedly well? them wholeheartedly as well? >> say >> have every right to say whatever they think. oh, so you don't not listen ? don't want to not listen? >> yeah, but of >> yeah, but but a lot of but they're they're making stuff they're not they're making stuff up i you the up though. i mean, you know, the stop example, stop funding hate, for example, condemning gb news before we'd even output. >> em- output. >> want plurality >> you either want plurality or you think they're >> i don't think they're necessarily think they necessarily i think they have every and every every right to object and every right something. they right to protest something. they haven't seen. i mean, i think they haven't seen it, though i think they objected the think they objected to the marketing. obviously don't marketing. and obviously i don't object. every week, object. i turn up every week, but they object to object. i turn up every week, but mission they object to object. i turn up every week, but mission statement object to object. i turn up every week, but mission statement andect to object. i turn up every week, but mission statement and they the mission statement and they have to. have every right to. >> it now >> well, so they've seen it now it's said it was. it's not what they said it was. they shouldn't be allowed to carry they shouldn't be allowed to car|okay. fascinating debate. >> okay. a fascinating debate. well look, that one's no doubt going till going to rage onwards. wait till you um, you hear about this story. um, and parents faced and it's scottish parents faced jail. if they stop children in changing gender. will bring you more on that. more front pages, lots more debates. also as idris

elba calls for an immediate ban on zombie knives and machetes in britain, backed by our regular panellist adam brooks, are we crowning tonight's greatest britain and union jackass? my panel have got some great nominations. um, and i'm delighted to say we'll bring you more details on how veterans affairs ministerjohnny more details on how veterans affairs minister johnny mercer is helping the military with important health issues. so it's quite inspiring . it will bring a quite inspiring. it will bring a tear to your eye. all of that is next. this is patrick christys tonight with me, mark dolan, only on gb news

now before the break, we were discussing fujitsu s role in the post office scandal . that's the office scandal. that's the software company behind the faulty horizon software. a spokesperson from fujitsu has said the current post office horizon it statutory inquiry is examining complex events stretching back over 20 years. the inquiry has reinforced post

the devastating impact on postmasters lives and that of their families, and fujitsu has apologised . for its role in apologised. for its role in their suffering. welcome back to their suffering. welcome back to the show, patrick christys tonight with me, mark dolan with you lovely to have you all week. lovely to have your company. let's have a look at front and at some more front pages. and we have mail and they lead with have the mail and they lead with um, now give back your millions as shamed ex post office boss finally returns her cbe . victims finally returns her cbe. victims say what about her vast bonuses and pensions as she was facing calls tonight to return £3 million in bonuses and pensions. um. and of course, she has handed back that cbe. she pocketed as much as £5 million for being in charge during the honzon for being in charge during the horizon it scandal, in which hundreds of postmen were wrongfully prosecuted and in many cases bankrupted . and what many cases bankrupted. and what about that body, folks ? what about that body, folks? what will sarah vine and andrew pierce say about jason donovan's bod at 55 and his black nail

varnish? he looks pretty to good me. okay daily express rebels fire warning shot at pm over rwanda. bill the daily mirror shameful exclusive post office scandal . innocent peter lost his scandal. innocent peter lost his life. marion lost a man she loved. disgraced pawn of van els has finally given back her cbe. yet tech firms fujitsu still earns £100 million from us taxpayer as well. you can double that based on my research, the times pm faces more turbulence with the threat of another rwanda revolt. post office chief to give up her cbe over scandal bill. and how about the telegraph? so many big stories in telegraph. architects of postal scandal demands immunity. okay uh, reaction to all the big stories from the papers. gb news superstar nana akua former environment secretary ranil jayawardena mp and author and journalist rebecca reid. let's have a look at this in the telegraph . scottish parents face

telegraph. scottish parents face jail if they stop children changing gender. nana akua . changing gender. nana akua. >> yeah, it's shocking , isn't >> yeah, it's shocking, isn't it? this is. you would have thought that the snp would have learnt their lesson from what happened with nicola sturgeon, that shouldn't be that we really they shouldn't be meddling in this and i know that this is this is almost a non—story because it's only kind of a suggestion or maybe not actually a real suggestion . but actually a real suggestion. but the bottom line is usually these things bubbling and things are bubbling under and there to them. and there is some truth to them. and i say it's quite i would say it's quite concerning to give power to concerning to give the power to the children to determine whether, because you're putting the power in the children's hands to determine if hands as to determine if a parent says, look, you can't dress like this , we don't want dress like this, we don't want you do this. so on and so you to do this. and so on and so forth. the parents could be put in jail, i think is for two years, potentially, if they intervene . intervene in some way. >> so it's not i think it's a very scare tactic headline what's happening is conversion therapy made illegal therapy is being made illegal and or to made and or trying to be made illegal, campaign illegal, and therefore campaign groups have said if it is regarded that a parent is trying

to make their child not transition and make them assign, make them live in the gender which they were born to, therefore it would be conversion therapy . therefore, they could therapy. therefore, they could be guilty. therefore they be found guilty. therefore they could prison. so lot could go to prison. so a lot of things have to happen here. things have have to happen here. well, issue here is well, so the issue here is that that not helpful to that it's not helpful to conflate and sexuality . conflate gender and sexuality. we well agree. >> but on conversion therapy, on trans, what would constitute it that would it be a parent to talking their child and say, are you sure you want to do this? no. >> is that it could be all campaigns as well. >> sensible >> i think all sensible people would that's what would say no, but that's what none the issue is we none of this is the issue is we would all agree that kind would all agree that the kind of conversion all conversion therapy that we all disagree with, which is things like electric shock therapy disagree with, which is things like e done: shock therapy disagree with, which is things like e done: sithis therapy disagree with, which is things like edone: sithis isarapy disagree with, which is things like edone: sithis is that's often done by this is that's that's not what this is the problem with this time, the problem with this time, the problem with this time, the problem with legislation is problem with this legislation is that too many that it's treating too many things are same. things that are not the same. there a long history of gay there is a long history of gay conversion therapy being an abuse inflicted on abuse that is inflicted on children , and that all children, and that we can all agree wrong. that does agree is wrong. now that does also with trans children . also happen with trans children. the you also get the problem is you also get parents saying , okay, you might

the problem is you also get parethataying , okay, you might the problem is you also get parethat you're okay, you might the problem is you also get parethat you're a kay, you might the problem is you also get parethat you're a girl you might feel that you're a girl and that's fine. you can wear a dress, but we're not going to talk and that's talk about hormones and that's not the not conversion therapy. and the difficulty with this legislation is line is finding where that line is. >> who >> well, that's the problem. who determines that line? and actually, i've spoken to a lady called ivy. actually, called brianna ivy. actually, she's a man, went she's a man, but she went through the transition and she did very, very did it when she was very, very young. by 1314, she was given young. so by 1314, she was given puberty blockers . and then puberty blockers. and then eventually she went through all the bottom surgery when she was about 17, didn't do it. about 16, 17, didn't do it. andrzej duda hold on. can just andrzej duda hold on. can i just say ? and say what she said was this? and i give her the respect of calling her a she. um, she said she wishes that somebody had stopped her said, stopped her and said, for goodness don't do goodness sake, just don't do anything. wanted somebody to anything. she wanted somebody to intervene and nobody did . in intervene and nobody did. in fact, they affirmed her absolute delusion, in a sense. and so who is going to be the adult in the room that will stop the children? >> nhs policies there is >> nhs policies that there is absolutely to case do bottom absolutely no to case do bottom surgery double mastectomy on surgery or double mastectomy on anybody. puberty anybody. but the puberty blockers, blockers were blockers, puberty blockers were the started the the things that started the whole thing. and puberty blockers complicated because blockers are complicated because we the we do give people the contraceptive from the age

contraceptive pill from the age of 1213 if they want it. therefore, are giving the therefore, we are giving the same to same form of medication to children. not really. >> why doing it. >> we know why we're doing it. no, really true. no, that's not really true. >> your puberty >> i personally your puberty blockers and contraceptive blockers and the contraceptive pill comparable. blockers and the contraceptive pillthey're comparable. blockers and the contraceptive pillthey're notnparable. blockers and the contraceptive pillthey're notnparsame. blockers and the contraceptive pillthey're both parsame. blockers and the contraceptive pillthey're both hormones. yeah, >> they're both hormones. yeah, but hormones. >> hormones. >> hormones. >> don't. they don't change >> they don't. they don't change a woman's physiology . a woman's physiology. >> absolutely. >> they do absolutely. >> they do absolutely. >> no , no. >> no joking. no, no, no. >> no joking. no, no, no. >> irreversibly the pill. >> not irreversibly the pill. no, blockers don't >> the puberty blockers don't irreversibly . irreversibly. >> yes they do. they do. >> yes they do. they do. >> it depends how long you take it. also there enough it. also there is not enough science to be able to say that. >> are we giving to children? >> i wouldn't give children >> i wouldn't give my children personally. >> i wouldn't give my children personal don't believe that's clarify, i don't believe that's the this children. clarify, i don't believe that's the with this children. clarify, i don't believe that's the with this, this children. clarify, i don't believe that's the with this, it this children. clarify, i don't believe that's the with this, it means:hildren. clarify, i don't believe that's the with this, it means that �*en. clarify, i don't believe that's the with this, it means that if|. >> with this, it means that if you step in the way as a parent >> with this, it means that if you tryp in the way as a parent >> with this, it means that if you try andthe way as a parent >> with this, it means that if you try andthe vythese a parent >> with this, it means that if you try andthe vythese puberty and try and stop these puberty blockers administered, blockers being administered, then in then you could find yourself in then you could find yourself in the states becoming third the states becoming a third parent children . parent to their children. >> that's what outrageous. >> that's what it's outrageous. >> it's indeed. >> it's indeed. >> it's indeed. >> i mean, i think, look, people said were overreacting said that we were overreacting with centre. with the tavistock centre. it got i think we have got shut down. i think we have to back on this madness. >> scrutiny important, but >> scrutiny is important, but it's not helpful to write it all off woke madness . there is off as woke madness. there is a middle it is. middle ground. it is, it is. there is middle ground which

there is a middle ground which allows people allows the fact that people exist well as the fact that exist as well as the fact that children having children should be having puberty blockers. children should be having putthere lockers. children should be having putthere is:kers. children should be having putthere is no 's. children should be having putthere is no middle ground. >> there is no middle ground. they for they should be illegal for anyone. minor nana. anyone. that's a minor nana. let's your greatest let's get to your greatest britain. who is it today? well, my greatest britain has to be johnny mercer. >> for all the amazing work that he's he? he's been doing, hasn't he? i mean, there mean, it's fantastic. there was that brilliant interview with chopper as well earlier. >> that. great >> love that. yes. great nomination headline nomination. your headline hero. >> mp or former mp, >> it's another mp or former mp, lord arbuthnot. james arbuthnot, actually my predecessor in north—east hampshire who fought fought doggedly now my fought doggedly for his now my constituents. joe hamilton was one of them. um, to really expose this scandal. yeah. >> well bravo . >> well done. bravo. >> well done. bravo. >> and rebecca, also, thank you for explaining how you say his surname, because i've been saying it wrong all day. mine is idris elba for calling an idris elba for calling for an immediate ban zombie and immediate ban on zombie and machete knives, and also for generally his work towards trying violence. trying to end knife violence. obviously, more to obviously, there's a lot more to be banning be done than just banning knives, is somewhere we knives, but it is somewhere we can suggestion. >> fabulous suggestion. well, i'm to rebecca i'm going to give it to rebecca andldns i'm going to give it to rebecca and idris elba. great actor and and idris elba. great actor and a great knife crime. a great campaign knife crime. a worrying epidemic in this

country. your union jackass. >> it's em" em.- e to be carol >> well, it's got to be carol vorderman. okay. so for two reasons for what she did with shaun bailey, i didn't particularly like the whole sort of she's giving of treatment that she's giving him, even though i accept that his but his words were clumsy. but i felt was of a spin felt that it was sort of a spin exercise and spin on her part. but also for her words and her treatment of johnny mercer. she's supposed to be a woke lefty. nice to people , and she lefty. nice to people, and she certainly isn't that okay? >> how about your union, jack? i doctor alcia ahsan , who doctor alcia ahsan, who unbelievably wants us all to wear masks to stop us getting a cold or a cough. >> what next? locking us up in our to us tripping our homes to stop us tripping over? >> absolutely. over? >> right. absolutely. over? >> right. well, rtely. over? >> right. well,1telyquite >> right. well, i'm quite triggered by the issue of masks, so me on that one. so you've got me on that one. rebecca, about your union, jack? >> eh. @ is comedian ee—n en" >> mine is comedian jo koy for doing a nice throwback to the noughties, where make noughties, where we just make sexist swift. sexist jokes about taylor swift. she by she reacted very clearly by saying that she wasn't amused by it. we that. it. and we love that. >> so mean , she is now >> indeed. so i mean, she is now the biggest star the world. the biggest star in the world. would taylor swift unquestioned? >> beyonce shared. >> well, her and beyonce shared. >> well, her and beyonce shared. >> yeah, concern about us >> yeah, some concern about us

newspaper that was speculating on sexuality. on her sexuality. >> none of their >> 5000 words. none of their business about whether she may or not be bisexual. if you or may not be bisexual. if you care about taylor swift's sexuality, that much, you need a therapist. >> okay? ryan o'neal will a conservative government ever mandate masks again? >> well, conservative mps aren't going to do it, i can tell you that in that you're the winner. >> i'll give it to ryan o'neal for ridiculous for that ridiculous doctor suggesting masks , uh, suggesting that those masks, uh, will try and stop the transmission of anything. frankly other than germs. okay, folks, it's all about opinions. that's mine. thank you to my brilliant other side brilliant team. the other side of panel of the glass. my excellent panel tonight. you for your tonight. and you for your company on the radio and on tv. we'll again tomorrow we'll do it all again tomorrow at 9:00. but next up , delighted at 9:00. but next up, delighted to say it's headliners see you tomorrow at nine. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> evening. welcome to your

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