the prime minister to toughen up the prime minister to toughen up the rwanda bill. >> we're going be speaking to >> we're going to be speaking to miriam cates, who is one of those mps in the studio, very shortly , and the fujitsu shortly, and the fujitsu architect demands protection. >> the man behind the dodgy honzon >> the man behind the dodgy horizon it system , he wants horizon it system, he wants immunity from criminal prosecution before appearing in front of that judicial inquiry into the post office scandal, gareth jenkins previously gave evidence saying the fujitsu fujitsu system was not corrupt , fujitsu system was not corrupt, it just didn't work and the former office post office boss paula vennells is facing calls to return bonuses worth millions of pounds. >> she gave up her gong, though. sir ed davey are you going to do the same after your role in the scandal .7 scandal? >> significant. this red sea attacks. the defence secretary, grant shapps, says the largest hoofie grant shapps, says the largest hootie attack to date in the red sea has been repelled by hms diamond warships and diamond. on our own warships and us warships we'll the us warships, we'll have the latest . latest. >> and are you dazzled by the lights? more than four out of five drivers say that they're being affected by headlight

glare and say the problem is getting worse. i definitely noficed getting worse. i definitely noticed it over christmas. did you do you find these new led headlights a nuisance on the roads . roads. >> and we've got richard tice, the leader of reform uk , in the studio. >> first time we've seen him since his landmark speech last week, which you didn't think much. >> well, we were both too long. critical >> well, friends of richard . >> well, friends of richard. >> well, friends of richard. >> we'll talk to richard about that, but it comes after nigel farage said on this station last night that he thinks labour, in power for ten years, some people will argue if you vote for reform uk, that's exactly what you're reform uk, that's exactly what youyeah, well the email address >> yeah, well the email address this always, this morning, as always, gbviews@gbnews.com. to gbviews@gbnews.com. we want to hear though your hear from you first though your very news with sam very latest news with sam francis . francis. >> andrew and bev thanks very much. good morning from the gb

newsroom i'm sam francis. the headunes newsroom i'm sam francis. the headlines are just after 930. plans to clear the names of hundreds of post office staff that are caught the that are caught up in the honzon that are caught up in the horizon scandal will be announced imminently. we understand and than 700 understand, and more than 700 subpostmasters wrongly subpostmasters were wrongly convicted, jailed or bankrupt as a result of the flawed computer software for the scandal also saw the former post office boss, paula vennells, hand back her cbe . the postal services cbe. the postal services minister, kevin hollinrake, has said this morning that the government is definitely not ruling out emergency legislation to overturn all convictions . to overturn all convictions. meanwhile, the defence secretary has said that the uk has helped repel the largest ever attack by iranian backed houthi rebels in the red sea. overnight, hms diamond, along with the us, successfully destroyed multiple attack drones . no crew on the attack drones. no crew on the warship have been injured and they haven't suffered any damage , grant shapps says. the attacks are completely unacceptable and warned there will be consequences. the yemeni militants have been targeting ships in support of hamas in its

war with israel . here in the uk, war with israel. here in the uk, rishi sunak is facing another showdown with mps over his rwanda plan around 30 conservatives are planning to push for changes. the safety of rwanda bill is set to be debated next week. over two days in the commons, the former immigration minister robert jenrick, is leading proposed amendments that would allow mps to ignore last minute injunctions from eu courts that stop planes deporting migrants. the prime minister says he welcomes improvements, but that he wants to avoid radical measures . half to avoid radical measures. half of child sexual abuse offences reported to police in 2022 were crimes committed by children. that's according to data gathered by police in england and wales . gathered by police in england and wales. half of the gathered by police in england and wales . half of the offences and wales. half of the offences involved a child aged 10 to 17 as a suspect or perpetrator in what the force is calling a growing and concerning trend. the figures are up from a third in 2013, when and the princess royal has been welcomed to sri

lanka with a traditional dance display. princess anne is visiting the south asian country with her husband to mark 75 years of diplomatic relations . years of diplomatic relations. dufing years of diplomatic relations. during the three day visit, the princess will meet the country's president and first lady and she'll also undertake engagements and meet local communities and faith groups in the capital, colombo . well, you the capital, colombo. well, you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website gbnews.com now though. more from andrew and . bev. andrew and. bev. >> very good morning. it is 934. thank you for joining >> very good morning. it is 934. thank you forjoining us. so the thank you for joining us. so the former post office chief, paula vennells, is facing calls to return around £3 million in bonuses and pension . bonuses and pension. >> look, this is coming because she finally handed back her gong.she she finally handed back her gong. she said she she was listening. well, as i said yesterday, she must have needed a aid because she should a hearing aid because she should have back weeks x and have given it back weeks x and weeks ago and she only gave it up because she knew it was going to snatched off her by the to be snatched off her by the forfeiture committee. but i

think give back some think she should give back some of money because i think of that money because i think her have been her bonus would have been predicated lot of predicated on the fact a lot of those post men and women gave gave the post gave back money to the post office, which was not the post office. i want millions of pounds. fact. pounds. in fact. >> i mean, she she probably should have had in should never have had this in the place people were the first place if people were paying the first place if people were paying attention who make paying attention on who make these decisions as these sorts of decisions as to what at the post what was going on at the post office with all those office with all of those innocent people being duped by by system and by a technology system and nobody them, and nobody defending them, and nobody defending them, and nobody apparently saying , hang nobody apparently saying, hang on minute, this isn't this on a minute, this isn't this isn't these individuals. this is the system upon which the post office spent a billion quid. office has spent a billion quid. so feel like, you know, so they i feel like, you know, they turned a blind eye. they didn't want to admit the failure they turned a blind eye. they dirthis want to admit the failure they turned a blind eye. they dirthis system.admit the failure they turned a blind eye. they dirthis system. they the failure they turned a blind eye. they dirthis system. they spent|ilure they turned a blind eye. they dirthis system. they spent all'e of this system. they spent all this and all these this money on, and all these poor people ended up with criminal records. >> the buck the top. >> the buck stops at the top. and think it's just not good. and i think it's just not good. what extraordinary times what i find extraordinary times reports was on a short reports today she was on a short list to become the bishop of london extraordinarily well. >> turned to god >> she's she's turned to god now, she? she's vicar . now, hasn't she? she's a vicar. and got a conscience too and she's got a conscience too clear, imagine clear, hasn't she? i imagine that's job, if you

that's the right job, if you feel that. feel like that. >> that useless archbishop welby, archbishop, began welby, the archbishop, began to be she'd be a good be thinking that she'd be a good candidate for it. she had appalling because appalling candidate, because if she sense of decency and she had any sense of decency and right she'd have come right and wrong, she'd have come clean apologised a lot 5001191“. 5001191. >> soonen >> yeah, it is fascinating, isn't it? if haven't watched isn't it? if you haven't watched this on itv, this docu drama yet on itv, which what we're talking which is what we're talking about, imagine this story, it about, i imagine this story, it maybe a little cold, maybe leaves you a little cold, but think there's 10 but i think there's about 10 million people massive viewing. have now. and have watched that now. um, and it's brilliant . it's brilliant. it is brilliant. and it's found it really and it's i found it really difficult to watch because i just found so angry. was just found i was so angry. i was so cross watching it because it's real life, because it's real and because it's the real life and because it's the classic case this huge classic case of this huge corporation just stamping on these real people that were just wanting to run their little post offices, support their communities , and do the right thing. >> and the post office conspiring with fujitsu to, to, to just hammer these people into the ground. and we know there was pilot scheme 1995, 96 was a pilot scheme in 1995, 96 which went wrong . postmasters which went wrong. postmasters and postmasters were prosecuted and postmasters were prosecuted and they still went ahead with

it. yeah i'm really interested to talk to richard tice about this in just a moment, actually. >> but of all, we're going >> but first of all, we're going to talk conservative mp for to talk to conservative mp for south and uxbridge, south ruislip and uxbridge, steve good morning, steve tuckwell. good morning, steve. see you again. steve. great to see you again. now people now of course, to remind people you the seat when boris you won the seat when boris johnson it in uxbridge johnson gave it up in uxbridge at and you also worked as a manager for royal mail well . manager for royal mail as well. so closely have you been so how closely have you been watching how aware watching this story. how aware of it were you before the docu drama hit the headlines ? drama hit the headlines? >> well, i spent 30 years working in royal mail, which was the sister company to the post office limited up until 20 2012. i believe. um, so, you know, i, i believe. um, so, you know, i, ihave i believe. um, so, you know, i, i have absolute sympathy for the subpostmasters and subpostmaster who i had the pleasure of working with, albeit at arm's length. um, had many great relationships with the with these great people . and it's, these great people. and it's, it's good to see now that the whole of parliament is coming together to reverse this, this, this terrible injustice that's been been bestowed on them. but, uh, you know, i think to quote

your phrase earlier on, um, i had a cold, cold feeling when my wife and i were watching, um, the itv series over the weekend, and it's, uh, it's a terrible scandal. it's the biggest, um, you know, miscarriage of justice that this country has ever seen . that this country has ever seen. and it's good to see. and it's really good to see. now, whole of parliament now, the whole of parliament coming together to write this wrong quickly. coming together to write this wr0|hoping quickly. coming together to write this wr0|hoping we'll quickly. coming together to write this wr0|hoping we'll get kly. coming together to write this wr0|hoping we'll get an. i'm hoping we'll get an announcement later today. >> sure we will, steve. and >> i'm sure we will, steve. and that's that's all that's great. and that's all well but isn't it well and good, but isn't it extraordinary? this extraordinary? it's taken this tv programme whole tv programme which the whole country's been captivated by, to get some action because as my newspaper, the daily mail, first wrote about this in 2013, a decade ago, it was first raised by a computer magazine back in 2009. what on earth has been going on? why is it taken so long and why do we need a tv drama to galvanise politicians on all sides of the to house finally pull their finger out ? finally pull their finger out? >> yeah, i completely agree . um, >> yeah, i completely agree. um, i mean, i think it has taken far too long. we've seen how it has devastated, uh, families. it's devastated, uh, families. it's devastated communities, and

unfortunately , some people have unfortunately, some people have even lost their lives as a result of this, this scandal. it's taken far too long, and i think we should congratulate itv for pulling together such a wonderful docu drama. i think it's referred to now, um, which is really sort of highlighted the issue. and i think we just need to make sure now that parliament gets right behind this, this tragedy, this, making this tragedy, reversing it to ensure that, you know, justice is actually done for those people that have been affected by this scandal. >> the other big story this morning, of course, steve, is that prime minister is that the prime minister is facing a revolt by more than 30 tory mps this rwanda bill. tory mps over this rwanda bill. we've got this group of rebels , we've got this group of rebels, um, on tuesday they tabled amendments toughen up this amendments to toughen up this legislation. what's your legislation. we what's your position on this? do we just need this bill to be absolutely watertight that no appeals watertight so that no appeals can be made . can be made. >> yeah. well, what we'll say is that as a group of mps, we're right behind the prime minister's priority to stop the boats. it's right that we have robust conversations about the fine detail. that's that's

sitting in the rwanda bill. um, but i was happy with the second reading. i think it's important now that we get it through parliament, it through parliament, we get it through the get those the lords, and we get those planes off. the planes taken off. the alternative offered by the . alternative offered by the. labour party. there is no plan. in actual fact, the labour party are proposing to do a deal with the eu to have more immigration volumes coming into the country. there no plan. this is a plan there is no plan. this is a plan which will see those planes taken hopefully later in taken off, hopefully in later in the um, and it will will the spring. um, and it will will certainly help the immigration statistics for the united kingdom. do need kingdom. we definitely do need this bill through this bill to go through as quickly possible. this bill to go through as qui�*but possible. this bill to go through as qui�*but finally, ible. this bill to go through as qui�*but finally, steve, you'd >> but finally, steve, you'd have the survey which shows have seen the survey which shows for year running for the second year running this great city of ours, london is the slowest city the in the slowest city in the world in terms of traffic, moving average speed in central london seven miles hour. you're miles an hour. if you're flipping lucky that cycle highways course put highways first, of course put in by predecessor, by your illustrious predecessor, bofis by your illustrious predecessor, boris johnson and all the other road schemes . they're boris johnson and all the other road schemes. they're digging up roads all over the capital. what? how can you can we turn the clock back so that there's a

that motorists are not viewed as the enemy by politicians means. >> yeah. well, again , as you >> yeah. well, again, as you know, um, you know, i'm a i'm a big advocate of , uh, you know, big advocate of, uh, you know, reversing the ulez charge, which was, which was forced on outer londoners, um, earlier . well, londoners, um, earlier. well, back end of last year. um, you know, again, the best way to , to know, again, the best way to, to deal with this now is through the mayoral election and vote for susan hall in the mayoral election and our capital of election and rid our capital of a disastrous mayor sadiq khan, who is always waging war on motorists. doing terrible motorists. he's doing terrible things now in the blackwall tunnel. uh he's he's enforced ulez onto onto outer london. he's ploughing ahead with low traffic neighbourhoods, schemes. um, he's just a constant war on motorists. and the best way that we deal with that is in the we can deal with that is in the mayoral election, later this mayoral election, uh, later this yeah mayoral election, uh, later this year. vote for susan hall, year. and vote for susan hall, who will ulez on day one who will reverse ulez on day one and will stop declaring war on motorists. >> okay . all right. thank you so >> okay. all right. thank you so much, steve. uh, good to see you

this morning. we're talking about this, um, this rebellion, this mini rebellion against sadiq, rishi sunak, this morning. >> it's 30 mps voted this afternoon. he's doomed because he's only got a majority of 28. >> good point. well let's find out a more from our downing out a bit more from our downing street . uh, from downing street street. uh, from downing street with our political correspondent, katherine forster um, good morning, catherine. good morning. um, how likely is it looking that rishi sunak will have this rebellion? as andrew says, of 30 people? >> well, certainly we might be in a new year, but we're still in a new year, but we're still in the middle of a whole load of tory infighting. aren't we? now, whether these rebels about 30 of them, would go as far as to vote against the bill, that would be really the nuclear option. that remains to be seen . but remains to be seen. but certainly rishi sunak walking a very fine line between these different groups, these five groups on the right of the party and one thing the bill toughened up . and then 100 or so one

up. and then 100 or so one nafion up. and then 100 or so one nation group more towards the left of the party, who say not aninch left of the party, who say not an inch further than you've already gone, now led by robert jenrick, a whole series of amendments have been put forward now for when the bill comes back to parliament next tuesday and wednesday. essentially wanting to toughen up the bill, wanting to toughen up the bill, wanting to stop these so—called pyjama injunctions where european courts basically block us from doing things we want to do. sometimes in the middle of the night, as we saw when that plane of migrants for rwanda had them removed, one by one. so trying to make sure that can't happen, and severely limiting the and also severely limiting the cases in which a migrant could appeal being sent to rwanda, if somebody was pregnant, for example . so that's what they example. so that's what they want. they think it's still the right side of the law. and danny kruger has already been out on the airwaves saying so . but on the airwaves saying so. but on the airwaves saying so. but on the other side , damian green, the other side, damian green, who leads the one nation

concerned, has said that the prime minister had looked him in the eye and said that the bill wouldn't be changed. and already today, sir robert buckland, the former secretary, has formerjustice secretary, has said that these amendments go too far . so said that these amendments go too far. so certainly there is another almighty row coming and, you know, this government is trying to get re—elected at some point this year and people tend not to vote for divided parties. so it's difficult to see how rishi sunak is going to pull them all together. but he really does need to try to do something very urgently. >> okay. all right. thank you . >> okay. all right. thank you. catherine katherine forster there at street as well. there at downing street as well. joining in the studio now is joining us in the studio now is the leader of reform uk, richard tice richard, your body language through tice richard, your body language thro quite fascinating. you had tice richard, your body language thro rhead fascinating. you had tice richard, your body language thro rhead in;cinating. you had tice richard, your body language thro head in youring. you had tice richard, your body language thro head in your hands u had tice richard, your body language thro head in your hands when your head in your hands when we were about rwanda and, were talking about rwanda and, and blooming post office and the blooming post office scandal that i know you feel really strongly about. >> i feel strongly about >> i do feel very strongly about both issues on rwanda. both these issues on rwanda. first, , for steve first, frankly, for steve tuckwell that he

tuckwell there to say that he voted for bill and is going voted for the bill and is going to give a break. the to work, give us a break. the country's switched off. it doesn't believe anything that this going do this government is going to do with hear about all with rwanda. we hear about all this . they're going this talk. they're going to march hill and march them up the hill and they're have this great they're going to have this great rebellion. you mark my words whenever it is voters, they'll all just quietly sort of simmer down. bill cash will sort of give some form of verification. it's okay. we've tweaked a word here. we've tweaked a word there. it'll mean nothing. everybody knows this country everybody knows in this country it's deterrent. if you it's not a deterrent. if you send hundred couple of people send a hundred couple of people to rwanda, when 30 to 40,000 people are coming across , this people are coming across, this is complete dead cat, red is a complete dead cat, red herring. that's cost . us £800 herring. that's cost. us £800 million. 500 million to the french. 300 million to rwanda. and all we've sent there is three home secretaries. the whole thing is a complete waste of time. >> and it does nothing. of course, richard, to deal with legal migration, which is running net migration, running if you net migration, running if you net migration, running over, what is it, 1.3 million legal migration is million gross legal migration is running at about a city.

>> the size of birmingham. yeah, that's cost text whether that's the cost text whether it's 1.2, 1.3 that's the cost text whether it's1.2,1.3 million people coming in depressing british wages, putting huge pressure on pubuc wages, putting huge pressure on public services , it's not public services, it's not surprising housing rents are going up. it's not surprising you can't get a gp's appointment if every year 1.25 million people are arriving . and so people are arriving. and so you've got that and then you've got this, this post office and fujitsu scandal, which i mean, it takes a lot to make me cry. i watch that thing. i was in tears three times. i was in tears on monday night when i was on a different channel talking about this with one of the victims. it's worse than awful. just before christmas, this was discussed in the house of commons. we've all known about this. mps blathering this. yeah, yeah. mps blathering on about it. yeah. how many people were in the house of commons? >> about six, i think. >> about six, i think. >> six, honestly, for them now to start saying it's an outrage . to start saying it's an outrage. they utterly failed the they have utterly failed the postmaster utterly, utterly postmaster is utterly, utterly failed. i'm calling for three things, and i think there may be a slide available for this.

first of all, absolutely . there first of all, absolutely. there should be a law passed next week in parliament that overturns all of the convictions. they're all unsafe . 700 plus are unsafe . if unsafe. 700 plus are unsafe. if so, do that immediately. don't wait for judges to take years to overturn these. that's simply unacceptable. secondly taxpayers should not be footing the bill. i agree right? the government must announce that it's going to sue fujitsu for. i've calculated about £500 million. they're all on the line. this was their system. they lied to the post office. there we are. there are the three things. firstly, you've got to have urgent legislation. secondly, the government's got to sue fujitsu. and thirdly, absolutely , the and thirdly, absolutely, the company bosses of the post office and fujitsu must not face criminal trial. office and fujitsu must not face criminal trial . they lied and criminal trial. they lied and i've read the massive judgement in 2019. in december 19. and the judge there he said. he said that the he clearly felt that the post office bosses and the

fujitsu bosses lied in court , fujitsu bosses lied in court, and he said it was the it was the 21st equivalent of believing that the earth is flat. those were his exact written words. this is really serious stuff, serious and the cosiness that's going on. the links between government point and the top bosses in fujitsu who some of whom, by the way , have given whom, by the way, have given hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of pounds donations to the conservative party and the ft's reporting today. >> richard, i think since all this blew up, the problems were what started being identified in 20 1020. well, 2009 i think since 2016, £36 billion in new contracts for fujitsu . astonishing. >> so what's going on here is that actually it's too big to fail. it's a bit like the carillion disaster okay. where the links between the two are so. oh and by the way, do you remember when the nhs contract, uh, failed old and the it company under gordon brown sued them? who was the it company

that sued the nhs for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of million pounds? yes. fujitsu yeah. yeah that's right. i mean it's unbelievable. and the taxpayer if i was i tell you if it's unbelievable. and the t.wasyer if i was i tell you if it's unbelievable. and the t.was in' if i was i tell you if it's unbelievable. and the t.was in charge s i tell you if it's unbelievable. and the t.was in charge i i tell you if it's unbelievable. and the t.was in charge i would you if it's unbelievable. and the t.was in charge i would sayif it's unbelievable. and the t.was in charge i would say to i was in charge i would say to fujitsu you pay up now or you'll never another contract with never get another contract with this country ever again. yeah >> well it was there was footage on social media yesterday of tony blair announcing tony blair actually announcing how this horizon how trustworthy this horizon system i don't know whether system was. i don't know whether you saw that. >> it does back a very, very, >> it does go back a very, very, very long, but i think back to 2002, just apply the common sense 2002, just apply the common sen right. 2002, just apply the common senright. how many postmarks >> right. how many postmarks before system came before this system came into place right. with place? right. were charged with nicking tens and tens and tens of thousands of pounds. nicking tens and tens and tens of thousands of pounds . you of thousands of pounds. you could probably count them on literally on hands, on the literally on the hands, on the fingers your right. fingers of your hand. right. all of sudden being of a sudden they're being charged with having nicked 40, 50, give us a break. it 50, £80,000. give us a break. it was almost the turnover of the shop, for heaven's sake. yeah, it was basic. failed the common sense test. it's an outrage. >> what venus her >> what about venus in her bonus? richard, i, um, bev thinks i'm being too cruel. i thinks i'm being too cruel. i

think she should repay her bonus. >> i'd rather see her in court. >> i'd rather see her in court. >> i'd rather see her in court. but here's the point. and you touched on it in the introduction. when many of these people their people remortgaged their homes in pay losses to in order to pay the losses to the office, but the post the post office, but the post office hadn't lost the money in the place. so they the first place. so they declared profit they so declared as profit they did. so they've of this cash they've banked all of this cash as their own profits, on the back she's been paid a back of which she's been paid a bonus. that's right. and many, many others. this goes all the way the top, and up and up way to the top, up and up and up and top fujitsu and and the top of fujitsu and they've all to face trial. they've all got to face trial. there to proper day of there has to be a proper day of reckoning because, you know , reckoning because, you know, people in their communities, in your your villages, your hamlets, your villages, your hamlets, your villages, your market towns , you trust two your market towns, you trust two things you to trust the things you used to trust the police you would trust the police and you would trust the post office, the postmaster . and post office, the postmaster. and if that trust is broken and you can't trust the post office, what's left? >> and some of those postmasters and post mistresses said one of the hardest things was their their collapse in esteem in their collapse in esteem in their local community, people looking the other way because they been they thought they'd been pinching money, their money. >> um, can we ask you about what

nigel farage said about reform the party and about the the reform party and about the fact he thinks is fact that he thinks labour is going in power for the going to be in power for the next ten years? you must have been delighted with him saying that. >> no, look, highlighted at >> no, look, i've highlighted at my conference week, my press conference last week, which actually well which was actually very well received, few, received, apart from a few, a couple i think slightly couple of, i think slightly inexperienced broadcasters who thought reading an autocue thought i was reading an autocue when i was speaking from the heart, passion. you heart, from the passion. but you didn't don't know, didn't spot that, i don't know, you passionate enough you weren't passionate enough for i was full of for me, richard. i was full of passion. everyone else loved it. it press, but it was all over the press, but anyway, too long. 14 anyway, um, too long. 14 minutes. andrew, 14 minutes. >> done. have done. >> i'd have done. i'd have done. one preamble. eight one minute. preamble. eight bullet points. this is what i'm doing. >> sat down. i did ten bullet points it took minutes. points and it took 14 minutes. and the loved too long. and the press loved it too long. they it and there were they did love it and there were 50 press there. there weren't many people watching lib many people watching the lib dem, unveiling down dem, uh, poster unveiling down in but in all in guildford. but in all seriousness that, we were seriousness about that, we were in seriousness, it's in all seriousness, no, it's you're to be you're absolutely right to be you've criticise and you've got to criticise and challenge and the whole challenge. and that's the whole point, look, in all point, of course. look, in all seriousness, we highlighted that starmageddon threat

starmageddon is a serious threat to the country. yeah, yeah. but so is a continuation of the people who have broken this country, is this current country, which is this current regime. so both of them represent i'm saying high taxes, high wasteful government spending , daft regulations. we spending, daft regulations. we haven't taken advantage of the brexit opportunities, massive migration that no one voted for. and the vast burden , a job and the vast burden, a job destroying burden of the cost of net zero. you cannot grow an economy with those burdens. it's as simple as that. >> and that's the only way he says he can do what he wants to do . uh, starmer, the £28 billion do. uh, starmer, the £28 billion a year splurge on green projects. well, look, the truth is, by achieving growth, you can't grow in economy with those burdens. >> the cost of that . and every >> the cost of that. and every year we are borrowing way more than we are earning. and eventually you run out of money and i'll tell you, i'm highlighting that day is coming . highlighting that day is coming. >> i'm looking at matt goodwin, one of the pollsters familiar to this channel, who's done a bit of a deep dive into where conservative voters are going,

and thinks that about and he he thinks that about 15% of those 2019 tories who voted for boris johnson, mainly older, pro—brexit, are defecting , going pro—brexit, are defecting, going to reform. how are you going to bnng to reform. how are you going to bring over the younger voters, richard, as well? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> look, we've got a appeal to as many people as possible. young voters are being utterly shafted crisis shafted by the housing crisis caused mass immigration. so caused by mass immigration. so we've got to freeze that. that'll big difference that'll make a big difference there. second thing is, that'll make a big difference thetoo second thing is, that'll make a big difference thetoo many second thing is, that'll make a big difference thetoo many young1d thing is, that'll make a big difference thetoo many young peoplei is, that'll make a big difference thetoo many young people are far too many young people are being conned go to the ponzi being conned to go to the ponzi scheme universities racking scheme of universities racking up 40 to 50 grand of debt. i mean, it's an absolute outrage. so we've got clear proposals to have zero interest on the student loans . the moment when student loans. the moment when you come out of university, unless you're earning £60,000, you won't even get on top of the interest before starting to repay and it's 4 in repay the capital. and it's 4 in 10 because they owe 140 billion. >> richard, the student loan. no, no, no, it's way more than that. >> it's now 230 billion to move 01'i. >> on. >> and you're not taxing anyone till you earn 20 k. i think that's very persuasive. and the young focal point. right richard

good to see you. a minute good to see you. now a minute ago when we talked about the post office, we need to tell you about the fujitsu about this. the fujitsu spokesman the current post spokesman said the current post office horizon statutory office horizon it statutory inquiry is examining complex events. apologised events. fujitsu has apologised for for their role for their role in for their role in this suffering. right still to morning but haven't to come this morning but haven't paid farmers in germany paid up yet. farmers in germany are blockading roads in protest against that against subsidy cuts that you should see pictures. you should see these pictures. you do to miss it. it's do not want to miss it. it's amazing. it happen here? amazing. could it happen here? we're going find out in just we're going to find out in just a a brighter outlook with boxt >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good morning, i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. pretty frosty out there again for most of us. a bit more cloud across the north and the east making for a grey and breezy day here. some avoided a frost some places have avoided a frost thanks to that increasing cloud, which also bringing a few which is also bringing a few light showers over southeast scotland. northeast england pretty scattered, light pretty scattered, fairly light and of rain rather than any snow but the south. we've got a

beautiful winter's day to look at, but it is cold and there's a brisk wind blowing here as well. that wind, wherever you've got it across the south or the northeast, really bringing a chill, lighter winds to western scotland. good spells scotland. some good spells of sunshine here sunshine on the west coast here through this evening pretty quickly, where we've got the clear skies, the frost comes back, the cloud sticking back, the cloud though, sticking around over northern england. we'll bit of it we'll see a bit more of it spreading to north wales. northwest england times through northern and across northern ireland and across central and southern scotland, and cloud and again with more cloud overnight. that should to overnight. that should help to prevent a but a frosty prevent a frost. but a frosty night across the highlands and again in the south. one, again in the south. minus one, minus even in towns and minus two. even in towns and cities, spots a little cities, rural spots a little lower than that. so again, a chilly day on thursday. quite a cloudy one over parts of the midlands, wales, northern and northern england and southern and eastern scotland . again the and eastern scotland. again the sunniest guys, probably the west coast southernmost coast of scotland. southernmost parts england and wales. but parts of england and wales. but for most it's a dry day. that breeze bringing a chill along the east coast and along the south coast, and temperatures mostly around or touch below

average at 6 or 7 celsius. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on gb news . boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on gb news. up next, miriam cates mp will be here in the studio and she has said in a very powerful article about the fact that shouldn't kids out of the classroom during lockdown was a terrible mistake. >> them can't tie their >> some of them can't tie their shoelaces or clean their teeth. all sorts issues. that, and all sorts of issues. that, and whether george clooney should call homely . call his missus homely. >> well, i think you're very homely

well . well. >> begum . it's 10:00 well. >> begum . it's10:00 on gb news. >> begum. it's10:00 on gb news. this is britain's newsroom with me. bev turner and andrew pierce. >> rosie attacks the defence secretary. grant shapps says the largest houthi attack to date in the city has been repelled by hms diamond and us warships are security mark white has security editor mark white has the latest . the latest. >> we're going to be talking to mark in just a moment. and rwanda rebels rally more than 30 conservative mps are calling on the prime minister to toughen up the prime minister to toughen up the rwanda bill. we're going to be to talking miriam in be to talking miriam cates in the in just a moment, the studio in just a moment, fujitsu architect demands protection. >> can you believe this? the man behind the horizon it system wants immunity from prosecution before he appears in front of the judicial inquiry into the

post office scandal. gareth jenkins previously gave evidence saying the fujitsu system was not corrupt, useless. not corrupt, just useless. >> and we're calling for second half homely leave you lonely george clooney doesn't think so is he gushes over his wife amal, describing her as a force of nature and so homely. describing her as a force of nature and so homely . why is nature and so homely. why is that an insult? >> and the farmers won't move tractor drives in germany, blockading roads in protest against subsidy cuts for fuels . against subsidy cuts for fuels. could it happen . could it happen. here? i am intrigued by george clooney because amal clooney is a series us human rights lawyer. the human rights lawyers movement drives me insane, but she is at the top of it. so calling her homely, i think she might be hurt. would you be irked if your other half called you homely? >> i don't know, but an >> i don't know, but it's an interesting debate, isn't it? i've about this. i've been thinking about this. i think can homely at times think i can be homely at times and i can be not homely at

times. i like to step into my feminine energy and do the cooking in my apron, and i like to step into my masculine energy and here and give you a and come in here and give you a hard time but masculine energy. >> can still do cooking >> you can still do the cooking and be red blooded male. >> you can still do the cooking ancyeah, red blooded male. >> you can still do the cooking ancyeah, you're)oded male. >> you can still do the cooking ancyeah, you're right, male. >> you can still do the cooking ancyeah, you're right, you're >> yeah, you're right, you're right, you're let us know right, you're right. let us know your this morning. gb your thoughts this morning. gb views first though, views gbnews.com first though, here's latest news here's your very latest news with . with sam. >> bev and andrew. thank you very much. good morning from the gb newsroom i'm sam francis. the headunes gb newsroom i'm sam francis. the headlines at ten plans to clear the names of hundreds of post office staff who were caught up in the horizon scandal will be announced imminently. more than 700 subpostmasters were wrongly convicted and jailed or bankrupt as a result of flawed computer software . the scandal also saw software. the scandal also saw the former post office boss paula vennells hand back her cbe. the postal services minister, kevin hollinrake , said minister, kevin hollinrake, said earlier this morning that the government is definitely not ruling out emergency legislation to overturn all of those

convictions . the defence convictions. the defence secretary says the uk has helped to repel the largest ever attack by iranian backed houthi rebels in the red sea overnight, hms diamond , along with the us, diamond, along with the us, successfully destroyed multiple attack drones. no crew on the warship has been injured and they haven't suffered any damage , grant shapps says. the attacks are completely unacceptable and he warned there will be consequences. the yemeni militants have been targeting ships in the red sea in support of hamas in its war with israel . of hamas in its war with israel. here in the uk , rishi sunak is here in the uk, rishi sunak is facing another showdown with mps over his rwanda plan, with around 30 conservatives pushing for changes as the safety of rwanda bill is set to be debated next week. over two days in the commons, the former immigration minister robert jenrick , is minister robert jenrick, is leading the proposed amendments that would allow mps to ignore last minute injunctions from eu courts that stop planes deporting migrants. courts that stop planes deporting migrants . the courts that stop planes deporting migrants. the prime minister says he welcomes

improvements, but that he wants to avoid any radical measures. former special adviser to michael gove, charlie rowley, says it's important that the government gets the balance right . right. >> many, many people across the country, particularly those in the wall seats, particularly the red wall seats, particularly people brexit, people that voted for brexit, those that those are the people that voted conservative, those conservative, actually, in those those areas for the first time in they voted for brexit in 2019, they voted for brexit to take back control of their money borders and and this money borders and laws. and this comes obviously the comes under obviously the borders it's just borders bracket, but it's just making sure that you get the balance right between as balance right between having as tough possible to tough legislation as possible to get rwanda the ground whilst get rwanda off the ground whilst upholding international obugafionsin upholding international obligations in order to ensure that the scheme actually can continue and balancing that act between both sides of the conservative party >> half of child sexual abuse cases reported to police in 2022 were crimes committed by children. that's according to new data gathered by police in england and wales. half of the offences involved a child aged 10 to 17 as a suspect or perpetrator in what the force

has called a growing and concerning trend. the figures are up from a third in 2013. the parents of a british tourist who died after a helicopter crash in the grand canyon will receive a £78 million payout. jonathan udall was one of the passengers, including his wife, who died in the disaster in 2018. the 31 year old was on a honeymoon in las vegas. he suffered burns over 90% of his body and spent 12 days in hospital, where he later died . his parents claimed later died. his parents claimed wrongful death in the lawsuit, saying their son could have survived if not for the post—crash fire. here in the uk, london has been given the title of the world's slowest city centre for drivers because of widespread 20 mile an hour limits. that's according to tech company tomtom last year, driving ten miles in central london averaged 59 minutes, making it the slowest out of almost 400 cities for the second year running. man chester, liverpool, bristol and edinburgh

have also seen increased travel times as well . the world's first times as well. the world's first ever pothole preventing robot is set to hit the roads in hertfordshire. that's after a successful rollout . the machine, successful rollout. the machine, called aries prevent, can identify and classify potholes using artificial intelligence . using artificial intelligence. it can then automatically fill them in to keep out any water which would otherwise seep through the surface, causing more damage . if successful, the more damage. if successful, the machine could save time and money to identify potholes and reduce the disruption that they cause to motorists . the princess cause to motorists. the princess royal has been welcomed to sri lanka with a traditional dance display. princess anne is visiting the south asian country with her husband to mark 75 years of diplomatic relations. dufing years of diplomatic relations. during the three day visit, the princess will meet the country's president and first lady. she'll also undertake engagements and meet local communities and faith groups in the capital, colombo . groups in the capital, colombo. that's the latest from the gb

newsroom. for more, we're on tv, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. just say play gb news. now go back to andrew and bev . bev. >> begum morning. >> begum morning. >> well , we've got a few >> begum morning. >> well, we've got a few emails coming in actually. people are very excited. >> we have we have, we have. >> we have we have, we have. >> um, so we were saying earlier about the fact that headlights on brighter. the on cars have got brighter. the rac calling for the rac are calling for the government to look into it, and lots of you are getting touch lots of you are getting in touch to you experienced to say that you experienced this. i've noticed the this. max says. i've noticed the higher headlights higher power headlights causing dazzle social dazzle i've also seen on social media. people looking for higher power bulbs and light units to replace their original vehicle lights they that lights because they feel that the aren't being lit the roads aren't being lit properly. john has said, good morning, i stopped morning, i'm 64. i stopped driving at night a long ago driving at night a long time ago due these headlights. due to these headlights. it's not glare it can dazzle not just the glare it can dazzle your for a few seconds your eyesight for a few seconds after oncoming cars have after the oncoming cars have passed, said. it's not passed, a mica said. it's not just the new headlamps were a problem. the use of fog lights. when there is no fog, it's an illegal practice, can fined illegal practice, can be fined

and points, and given penalty points, particularly thank particularly uber drivers. thank youwell, drive and >> well, i rarely drive and i can say anecdotally lots of my mates have stopped driving at night and they're in their 50s. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> a big conversation >> this was a big conversation over sure lots of over christmas. i'm sure lots of you had same of you at home had the same kind of things actually there things because actually there were particularly the elderly people saying, not were particularly the elderly peopl

pass a piece of legislation to make the rwanda scheme work, to make the rwanda scheme work, to make that we can get those make sure that we can get those flights the ground. flights off the ground. >> we have to sure that >> so we have to make sure that this it is successful. and this time it is successful. and as you've said, previous attempts have been thwarted by judgements by our own courts, judgements by our own courts, judgement international judgement by international courts that have prevented either being taken either individuals being taken to rwanda or declared that the whole you know, whole scheme, uh, you know, doesn't comply with our international agreements . so we international agreements. so we very much want this bill to work. the government wants this bill obviously bill to work. obviously politically, work, politically, if it doesn't work, if doesn't stop the boats, if this doesn't stop the boats, if this doesn't stop the boats, if this doesn't result in people being rwanda, being taken to rwanda, then that's trouble the that's big trouble for the party. also big trouble party. but it's also big trouble for country, because if we for the country, because if we can't secure our borders using our parliament, our own parliament, democratically the democratically elected by the public, kind of public, then what kind of position just position are we in? so we just want to work. want the bill to work. >> so how hardline are you? would you prevent any appeals whatsoever would you prevent any appeals whtno,3ver would you prevent any appeals whtno, but we do want to narrow >> no, but we do want to narrow the scope of the appeal. so of course, who heavily course, people who are heavily pregnant, are sick, pregnant, people who are sick, people who have had a bad judgement made in terms of mistaken identity or a mistake

made by the home office, let's say, course, should have say, of course, they should have the appeal, but if you the right to appeal, but if you allow endless claims or challenges along the basis of mental health, that can just be proved with a doctor's certificate, let's say, then we know sadly that there are umpteen immigration lawyers out there will use any loophole there who will use any loophole they can to exploit this. they can find to exploit this. >> do you make it so black >> how do you make it so black and white? what were the appeal bafis and white? what were the appeal basis will be you won't allow appeals these appeals except for these particular reasons, which very narrowly which are not fit to fly. >> so for example, so closing it down route . and if you down that route. and if you think back to june 2022, when that flight was on the tarmac but didn't take off, i should have it in the air. have put it in the air. >> yes, most of those individuals were taken off because of claims. >> now, of course we should be sympathetic to people who who are genuine asylum seekers. but let's forget, these people let's not forget, these people have which is have have left france, which is a they've a safe country. they've travelled dinghy the travelled on a dinghy across the most lane in most dangerous shipping lane in the and we know, sadly, the world, and we know, sadly, that many people are trying to exploit our system. so the only way is that

way deterrent works is that people confident that the people are confident that the deterrent is to work, and deterrent is going to work, and the way for that to happen the only way for that to happen is vast majority is for the vast majority of people. soon arrive people. as soon as they arrive on shore to be detained and on the shore to be detained and taken now, we're taken to rwanda. now, we're a long from that. but we have long way from that. but we have to get this bill to work to, to make the first step in providing that deterrence. >> you think the 30 rebels >> so do you think the 30 rebels of which are one will vote of which you are one will vote against it? well we're next week. we're at what's called >> we're at what's called committee so this is the committee stage. so this is the point where backbenchers like myself and others, have the opportunity bill. myself and others, have the op|this|nity bill. myself and others, have the op|this isn't bill. myself and others, have the op|this isn't about bill. myself and others, have the op|this isn't about voting bill. so this isn't about voting against the bill. we want the bill. we want the bill to happen. it's about improving the bill. amendments to bill. so bringing amendments to it. and we will votes on it. and we will have votes on each individual each of those individual amendments if parliament amendments to see if parliament as wants to insert those as a whole wants to insert those amendments bill. so amendments in the bill. so that's next that's what's the next stage. and they don't, we'll and if they don't, well, we'll have to see. i mean, it's far too early speculate because too early to speculate because of just us that of course, it's not just us that are bringing amendments. other amendments be brought as amendments may be brought as well other direction, in well in the other direction, in the direction the other direction from the labour from snp. so labour party, from the snp. so before can make any judgement before we can make any judgement about that, about what happens after that, we see how the bill ends

we have to see how the bill ends up. you we're hoping we have to see how the bill ends up. the you we're hoping we have to see how the bill ends up. the strength we're hoping we have to see how the bill ends up. the strength ofne're hoping we have to see how the bill ends up. the strength of our; hoping that the strength of our argument, which is that surely we want the bill to work the government has already disapplied of disapplied some elements of international conventions within this the furthest we've ever know, the furthest we've ever gone. why you not disapply gone. why would you not disapply others potentially gone. why would you not disapply otheit. potentially gone. why would you not disapply otheit held potentially gone. why would you not disapply otheit held up?3ntially see it held up? >> because the lawyers on your side, buckland, side, like robert buckland, who's at lord who's a former attorney at lord chancellor, saying gone who's a former attorney at lord chafarllor, saying gone who's a former attorney at lord chafar already. aying gone too far already. >> there's a, you know, >> well, there's a, you know, a valid argument from his point of view, i would point out to view, but i would point out to him that already on the of him that already on the face of the bill, does say that the the bill, it does say that the government cannot say for certain complies with certain that this complies with the already the the echr. that's already the case. we're already disapplying some of human some sections of the human rights not rights act. why would we not also disapply couple other also disapply a couple of other sections protect us sections that would protect us from this dragged through from having this dragged through the courts, the courts? the british courts, for months and sorry, for months and months and sorry, no go, no go on. >> i just want so much want to talk to you about miriam while you're here. you wrote a piece in the daily telegraph about the lockdown kids, i know lockdown kids, and this i know people we're on people say that we're going on about i think this is, about this, but i think this is, um, absolute, uh, this is um, an absolute, uh, this is a miscarriage of justice of what

we've to children for we've done to these children for the three years, and the last three years, and particularly in your work with the centre for social justice. what findings on what are the latest findings on how these kids faring? how these kids are faring? who were born raised in lockdowns? >> well, the report from the social justice really about social justice is really about absence school, sadly absence from school, which sadly is any better. is not getting any better. i think some people, including depart department depart from department for education, that , uh, education, thought that, uh, school attendance would just naturally to pre—pandemic naturally return to pre—pandemic levels. absolutely haven't. levels. it absolutely haven't. we have a problem we particularly have a problem with, uh, severe absence. so children are absent more children who are absent more than present school, than they're present at school, which we're now at which is i think we're now at 140,000 many 140,000 children. so many in that position. so that's what that position. so that's what that that report is about. and i think, you know, the csj has got some very sensible suggestions of we that, like how of how we tackle that, like how like, example , more like, for example, more attendance monitors or mentors, mentors. sorry, that can help families who have bespoke advice and help and try to get over the particular difficulties that they have in getting their children to school. so that would one example. i would be one example. but i think that, think before we do that, there has be sort of national has to be some sort of national pubuc has to be some sort of national public recognition that it was the wrong thing to close schools

and it harmed children, and that it harmed children, because problem that because i think the problem that we the pandemic, we had is before the pandemic, we had is before the pandemic, we of this national we kind of had this national understanding get your understanding that you get your kids and everybody kids to school and everybody knew ofsted knew knew that. ofsted knew that schools knew that government knew we a social knew that we it was a social contract, like, between contract, if you like, between parents, schools and teachers. overnight shattered overnight that was shattered because suddenly the government said, , actually your said, oh no, actually your children in children don't need to be in school. they can be at home. they'll just as you know, they'll be just as you know, they'll be as well educated they'll be just as well educated and that kind mutual and so that kind of mutual understanding and trust was lost. that, we have lost. to restore that, we have to very, the very first thing we've to do is say, we've got to do is say, actually, we wrong. that actually, we were wrong. that was to do. was the wrong thing to do. attendance king. we've to attendance is king. we've got to get back school and then get kids back to school and then proceed with these very important measures. that's important measures. so that's the of attendance but the kind of attendance side. but in terms children who've not the kind of attendance side. but in tstarted children who've not the kind of attendance side. but in tstarted schoolen who've not the kind of attendance side. but in tstarted school orwho've not the kind of attendance side. but in tstarted school or are 've not yet started school or are starting school, i mean that that are horrifying. that the stats are horrifying. we've got huge numbers of children who are starting school, speak, not school, not able to speak, not able potty trained, able to some not potty trained, all sorts of different issues that directly a result of that are directly as a result of lockdown and the strain that parents during parents were under during lockdown, socialisation. lockdown, lack of socialisation. it's huge for when

it's going to be huge for when your when talk your generation, when you talk to the key architects to some of the key architects who were making those decisions at the time, i'm including the prime that sajid prime minister in that and sajid javid and matt hancock. >> did you forget the labour party oh and yeah, even longer and but but who you have conversations with. why won't they come out and say actually in retrospect, that we should never have done that? well credit nadhim when he credit to nadhim zahawi when he was he did was education secretary, he did say that publicly. >> he did say, can't remember >> he did say, i can't remember the words, but the the exact words, but along the lines was the wrong lines of that it was the wrong thing or mistake to close schools. him. but schools. so credit to him. but that not a government wide that is not a government wide position doesn't position or it certainly doesn't seem but i don't see how seem to be. but i don't see how we can credibly say we've got to get kids school if we don't get kids in school if we don't publicly acknowledge what what went now, i don't went wrong. now, i don't particularly to apportion particularly want to apportion individual . it's clear individual blame. it's clear that it was a difficult that it was a very difficult time to a minister who would time to be a minister who would have wanted to be boris johnson in nobody and in early 2020. nobody and clearly, if schools had only been closed for three weeks, then we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. mean, conversation right now. i mean, nobody wanted school to be

closed weeks, closed for three weeks, but it would have the end of would not have been the end of the world. it was the incremental. now we must do this, now we must this incremental. now we must do this, noyevidence,t this incremental. now we must do this, noyevidence, without without evidence, without properly thinking through the consequences. that what consequences. that was what really you're really did it. and you're absolutely the absolutely right about the labour didn't want labour party. they didn't want to wanted to reopen schools. they wanted more lockdowns and more masks, more lockdowns and for to come more masks, more lockdowns and for yesterday? to come out yesterday? >> yes. could you? >> yes. how could you? >> yes. how could you? >> the shadow education secretary >> right. need get people >> right. we need to get people back but but we had back to school. but but we had no opposition. absolutely. and that's all measures that's why all these measures got through completely unopposed. got through completely unopposthey were cheerleading >> and they were cheerleading for these for more lockdowns. and these poor we can't send the poor teachers, we can't send the teachers school for teachers back to school for a virus for which they were statistically very, very low risk being harmed by. statistically very, very low riskcanoeing harmed by. statistically very, very low riskcan iaing harmed by. statistically very, very low riskcan i ask harmed by. statistically very, very low riskcan i ask about d by. statistically very, very low riskcan i ask about some of these >> can i ask about some of these kids, though, who missing kids, though, who the missing children it fair to children 140,000. is it fair to say, miriam, that a lot of them are from families that are less advantaged in the first place? there's certainly this advantage there, certainly higher there's certainly this advantage there, cefrom y higher there's certainly this advantage there, cefrom children1igher there's certainly this advantage there, cefrom children who r there's certainly this advantage there, cefrom children who are absence from children who are eligible for free school meals. >> right? mean, that that was >> right? i mean, that that was the before lockdown. the case before lockdown. but obviously this the general numbers but numbers have increased. but i think worth looking at think it is worth looking at some of the reasons for that.

this is much more problem at secondary might secondary school as you might imagine, severe absence . and imagine, the severe absence. and actually if you dig down into the data, some of this was increasing before lockdown. anyway kind been anyway but has kind of been put on steroids lockdown. and one on steroids by lockdown. and one of i'm really of the areas i'm really interested is mental health, interested in is mental health, and particularly for teenage girls anxiety girls whose levels of anxiety and are are quite and depression are are quite significant reasons why children are going to school . and i are not going to school. and i personally think there's very personally think there's a very strong media. strong link with social media. i mean, look across the mean, if you look across the anglosphere since 2010, teenage mental health has collapsed and the only reason for that the only obvious reason for that is social media. and i think, yes, we need attendance monitors. yes, need data , monitors. yes, we need data, etc. we need to etc. but actually we need to address this key that's address this key issue that's ruining our children's mental health. that they ruining our children's mental hea|be that they ruining our children's mental hea|be bullied that they ruining our children's mental hea|be bullied at that they ruining our children's mental hea|be bullied at homethat they ruining our children's mental hea|be bullied at home ast they ruining our children's mental hea|be bullied at home as welly can be bullied at home as well as school . can be bullied at home as well as school. um, and consider as at school. um, and consider whether we need ban social whether we need to ban social media for kids and the messaging on social often about on social media is often about you need to go to school, kids. >> you don't need the kind of formal education. quick note we were whether you were joking about whether you should your should be allowed to call your missus not. do you missus homely or not. do you think homely such think home homely is such a controversial but should

controversial word? but should it well, i mean, whatever i say >> well, i mean, whatever i say is not going to go down well with some people. i. the only person matters is amal person that matters here is amal clooney. she mind being clooney. does she mind being called if not, it's called homely? if not, then it's not but i think, you not a problem. but i think, you know, can an extended know, we can have an extended conversation about gender roles. if you called a man homely, you'd you're you'd probably be said you're being very progressive. >> you can call >> i wouldn't mind you can call me home if you want. >> i mean, i can see why it's hit the headlines, but the only if husband called you if your husband called you homely, you him round homely, would you slap him round the chops and say, you know, is he does a very job at >> he does a very good job at the home. >> yeah. very good. >> yeah. very good. >> right, mary, good to see you. >> right, mary, good to see you. >> diplomatic answer. >> right, mary, good to see you. >> wasn't plomatic answer. >> right, mary, good to see you. >> wasn't itomatic answer. >> right, mary, good to see you. >> wasn't it very,c answer. >> right, mary, good to see you. >> wasn't it very, um.;wer. >> wasn't it very, um. >> wasn't it very, um. >> write hms diamond, an american warships have shot down a missiles a huge wave of missiles and drones by yemen's houthi drones fired by yemen's houthi rebels after the militants largest the red sea largest attack in the red sea to date. >> well, say how >> well, let's say how significant is in the significant this is in the studio with our fabulous studio with us is our fabulous security editor, mark white. mark white, this has been brewing time now because brewing a long time now because these very important these this is a very important piece waterway for food and piece of waterway for food and fuel to transported around fuel to be transported around the world. if they can't use it,

it adds ten days to the journey. gas oil prices are already going up america and britain up and the america and britain are saying going to are saying they're going to defend these houthi defend it from these houthi rebels are attacking rebels who are attacking commercial shipping. >> is the 26th attack. so >> this is the 26th attack. so it's been happening for months now in the red sea area because of what's going on in gaza . of what's going on in gaza. yeah, absolutely. you know what the these iranian backed rebels , the these iranian backed rebels, the these iranian backed rebels, the houthi rebels in yemen, are saying is that they're going after ships that are linked to israel oil. you know, that's debateable there have been ships that have very tenuous, if any, links really to israel and also military vessels are being targeted as well. these attacks last night specifically targeted the hms diamond type 45 destroyer, which which shot down uh eight of or seven, i should say of 18 attack drones that were aimed towards . that's a lot were aimed towards. that's a lot of hms diamond and other shipping in the area. yeah it's

the largest attack to date. so 26th attack. but it's the largest attack of drones. and missiles. so 18 drones. uh, three missiles, anti—ship and ballistic missiles that were also launched. hms diamond, which is um , an air defence which is um, an air defence destroyer , uh, well equipped to destroyer, uh, well equipped to deal with aerial threats, launched its sea viper missiles, also , it's, um, on board and, also, it's, um, on board and, uh, self—defence guns that were used to shoot down these drones and it was assisted by the us navy. the giant aircraft carrier, a uss dwight d eisenhower launched its f a 18 seconds to take down some of these drones. three other us ships in the area assist it as well. so there's no doubt this is an escalation and it comes as, uh, a little over a week since the us, the uk , uh, and since the us, the uk, uh, and about a dozen other um, members of this coalition uh, to protect

shipping in the red sea, warned the houthi rebels and their backers. iran that this couldn't continue. and hinting at the potential for military action if it did continue . since then, it did continue. since then, we've had a number of attacks, including now this largest attack so far. >> what state would we be into launching military action. we've already got any ships left in the blue. we've got we've got no royal navy personnel to put on them. >> listen, i think it's a shortage. it's a very good point. we bolstered , uh, point. we have bolstered, uh, the, presence in the area, the, our presence in the area, hms richmond and, uh, type 23 destroyer. uh, uh , frigate is on destroyer. uh, uh, frigate is on its way to the region to join hms lancaster and hms diamond already there, but they don't really have land attack capabilities. so if you're looking at helping, uh, the americans, uh, in any kind of targeted attacks on yemen , targeted attacks on yemen, you're probably looking at getting an attack submarine into the area. who you know, they have their , um, tomahawk. have their, um, tomahawk. tomahawk attack, uh, missiles

that can be launched and also of course, potentially , uh, course, potentially, uh, typhoons , uh, out of cyprus typhoons, uh, out of cyprus would be quite a long distance to go, but potentially out of the us base in djibouti , they the us base in djibouti, they could perhaps, uh , assist in any could perhaps, uh, assist in any strikes on yemen. but as i say, it's been more than a week since this kind of warning was issued , this kind of warning was issued, uh, to the houthi rebels. they've continued, and there has been other than self—defence and shooting down these missiles and drones, there's been no actual targeted attacks on the houthi rebels. >> okay. thank you. mark. a lot of you getting in touch at home about about, um, driving at night. um chris cherry says i'm so pleased to hear your report on four out of five drivers having a problem with oncoming cars. bright lights after dark. i thought it was just me and my ageing eyes. i've invested in special night driving glasses, but whilst it helps little, it but whilst it helps a little, it doesn't stop problem. you're doesn't stop the problem. you're right, choking to right, just just choking to death. dear. she's hoping , i

promise. >> you're thinking i didn't put anything in his water. >> not today, but you know. right. still to come . farmers in right. still to come. farmers in germany are blockading roads, blockading roads in protest against subsidy cuts. with more than 5000 thousands of tractors and trucks parked up at berlin's brandenburg gate. they've been joined as well by trucks from poland . you have got to see poland. you have got to see this. these are farmers who say that they need the subsidies to have their fuel under the auspices, of course, of the green agenda . green agenda. >> say, is it coming here, the planet? >> is it coming here? right. we will let him have a little, uh, calm down. uh, don't go anywhere. this is britain's newsroom on

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news news. >> ten 1027 i'm not coughing my got up guts up exactly with britain's news and gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner was i spluttering with indignation? no, actually i wasn't. >> for once, for once you weren't bothering with indignation. >> but we're talking about these farmers blockading roads farmers who are blockading roads in subsidy in protest against oil subsidy cuts. these cuts. look at these extraordinary images coming out of berlin. you're listening of berlin. if you're listening on radio, gridlock. on the radio, it is gridlock. there do you think there are hundreds. do you think there's thousands? there's hundreds of thousands? maybe thousands. there's hundreds of thousands? maybe thyyou nds. there's hundreds of thousands? maybe thyyou see that, when you >> when you see that, when you see the main pictures, particularly and particularly at night and they're their they're all flashing their lights, it's incredible . and we lights, it's incredible. and we want to know why this is

happening and could it possibly come happening in poland too. >> there's going be >> so there's going to be a knock effect. it's all to do, knock on effect. it's all to do, of course, with the rush go of course, with the rush to go green , which we all know is green, which we all know is absurdly expensive and unrealistic . so absurdly expensive and unrealistic. so we're going to talk to one of our favourite farmers, if not our favourite farmer, gareth wyn jones. gareth morning in a tractor. >> by the looks of it. >> by the looks of it. >> now you're in a you're not blockading anyone, are you? in that tractor? >> not yet. >> not yet. >> and yet being the pertinent word. >> gareth, just explain to our viewers and our listeners why these mass protests have happenedin these mass protests have happened in germany . we saw happened in germany. we saw similar ones in france and denmark as well in the netherlands , in holland. sorry. netherlands, in holland. sorry. tell us what's been going on. >> well, again , you know, the >> well, again, you know, the crush thing, the farmers , these crush thing, the farmers, these subsidies were put there for, um, you know, the subsidy for the red diesel, um, was put there so we can produce food affordably for people . now, i've

affordably for people. now, i've just filled this tractor up with diesel. now, if i wasn't having a subsidy on that diesel, it would cost me twice as much for that diesel. so instead of £100 to be filling this tractor up, it would be £200. now you imagine that. you know, for a farmer that's struggling and can't make ends meet, it is a mass , massive, massive challenge mass, massive, massive challenge without the subsidies they're taking away , you know, to taking away, you know, to produce the food as well . these produce the food as well. these are challenges that are happening worldwide. and i think people need to wake up and smell the coffee. and i'd like to congratulate you for at least putting this coverage on gb news, because the other mainstream media i watched a couple of them this morning and there wasn't even a mention of this. and you know , there is this. and you know, there is thousands and thousands of farmers out there protesting. and i'll tell you something, farmers don't protest unless there is a real reason , because

there is a real reason, because they want to be home producing food, affordable for everybody. so you know, to see these kind of scenes , it's scary. it's of scenes, it's scary. it's scary for us in the uk and this talk, you know, this talks there's chinese whispers in this country. you know, the government on both sides. you know, where in wales we're devolved in agriculture but we're losing land to plant trees to solar panels, you know, all kinds of things that they believe is going to save the planet. and we know literally we need to feed people. we need to feed people affordably. and it has to be environmentally friendly and we as an industry are under immense pressure. the average age of a farmer is 67, where is the next generation going to come from? if these politicians and these world leaders don't start to realise there is a farming food revolution going to be across the world, and britain should be

really first and foremost in building a better britain on our bellies and start to back british agriculture , to start to british agriculture, to start to eat more seasonal and start to have a balanced diet and invest in our children and educate them on good food that comes from either the earth or from the sea. it's surf and turf. all this process rubbish is killing our children and making them ill. it's a bigger picture than anybody else can see, but we have to be very, very careful that things like are happening in holland in canada, in the, in new zealand and in germany, poland and france. doesn't come to the united kingdom because the way things are going, it could be it's galvanised , just could be it's galvanised, just such a movement across europe, this gareth and it's particular why i wanted us to handle it on the show this morning, because it is an absolute demonstration of people power. >> gb news is the people's channel >> gb news is the people's channel, and if this story does not sum up what is possible when

the masses get together and galvanise and have their voices heard , is there any possibility heard, is there any possibility that you think under the similar circumstances we would ever see british farmers get together like this? because i think the british public would be behind you because we want fresh food thatis you because we want fresh food that is grown in this country. and that's really what all these germans, the dutch, the french, that's what they want to . that's what they want to. >> i think the dutch is a great example . they built their own example. they built their own political party in two years, and it was all down to the farmers. but the farmers were backed by their public. and that's what we have to understand. we've got a small minority of very vocal people that believe that they're going to save the planet by not eating meat or dairy, you know , they're meat or dairy, you know, they're living in cloud cuckoo land. we are in a temperate climate here. we've got 70% of our country is ideally for producing grass, and we can use livestock then to

transport that grass into high quality protein or into milk or into yoghurts or into cheeses. and there's a lot of fantastic farmers out there. but we have to get the message and if mainstream media aren't willing to do it, i think get on social media and i'll give you an example . over the last six example. over the last six months, i've gone up to 2 million followers on my youtube channel, follow my youtube channel, follow my youtube channel, all the shorts, they're funny, but there's some great messages there. 2 million. i'm the most followed farmer in the world. wow >> okay. >> okay. >> and the same. we've got to lose, gareth. >> we've got to lose you. >> we've got to lose you. >> need gareth. >> we need gareth. >> we need gareth. >> we've got to let you go. but thank you very much. and, um. and we'll, um. that's gareth always interesting. going and we'll, um. that's gareth al\go.; interesting. going and we'll, um. that's gareth al\go. we'rezsting. going and we'll, um. that's gareth al\go. we're going going and we'll, um. that's gareth al\go. we're going gthe; to go. we're going late to the headunes to go. we're going late to the headlines now with sam. headlines now with with sam. >> bev and andrew. thank you very much. good morning from the gb newsroom, i'm sam francis. the headlines at just after 10:30. well our top story plans to clear the names of hundreds of post office staff caught up

in the horizon scandal will be announced imminently. in the horizon scandal will be announced imminently . more than announced imminently. more than 700 subpostmasters were wrongly convicted and jailed or bankrupt as a result of flawed computer software. the scandal also saw the former post office boss paula vennells hand back her cbe. postal . services minister cbe. postal. services minister kevin hollinrake has said this morning that the government is definitely not ruling out emergency legislation to overturn all convictions . overturn all convictions. meanwhile, the defence secretary has said that the uk helped repel the largest ever attack by iranian backed houthi rebels in the red sea overnight, hms diamond, along with the us, successfully destroyed multiple attack drones . no crew on the attack drones. no crew on the warship have been injured and they haven't suffered any damage , grant shapps says. the attacks are completely unacceptable and he warned there will be consequences. the yemeni militants have been targeting ships in support of hamas in its war with israel . rishi sunak is war with israel. rishi sunak is facing another showdown with mps over his rwanda plan, with around 30 conservatives planning

to push for changes. the safety of rwanda bill is set to be debated next week. over two days in the commons, as the former immigration minister, robert jenrick , is leading the proposed jenrick, is leading the proposed amendments that would allow mps to ignore last minute injunctions from eu courts that stop planes deporting migrants. the prime minister has said that he welcomes improvements, but that he wants to avoid radical measures . well, violence is measures. well, violence is erupting on the streets of ecuador with police checkpoints and helicopters patrolling major cities. ecuador's president daniel noboa, has declared a state of emergency following the prison escape of one of the country's most notorious drug gang bosses yesterday , hooded gang bosses yesterday, hooded gunmen burst into a live television studio waving guns and wearing masks. police have confirmed 13 arrests have been made and the princess royal has been welcomed to sri lanka with a traditional dance display. princess anne is visiting the south asian country with her husband to mark, 75 years of diplomatic relations . during the

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more and more of us are getting concerned about led lights on new cars. our inbox is full of people saying thank goodness it's not me. i thought i was losing my eyesight. it's not you, it's the fact that we're getting blinded by oncoming vehicles driving night, you vehicles driving at night, you know? you drive? know? do you drive? >> but, um, uh, my other >> no. but, um, uh, my other half has been saying he won't drive at night because he said he just can't see. >> no. and he's a lot. he's a lot younger than as well. lot younger than you as well. thank nothing wrong thank you. nothing wrong with that. is britain's newsroom that. this is britain's newsroom on

that i knew had dewbs& co weeknights from six. >> 1040 you as britain's >>1040 you as britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce. i'm bev turner. we've got the former labour mp stephen pound here and broadcaster mike parry, our new deadly double act. um, stephen, you're not a man of, um, you're a man of a certain vintage, shall we say. indeed do you find it difficult driving at night? i think i'm described as classic . described as classic. >> no, i've never heard you described that vintage. described as that vintage. >> yes, do it quite >> yes, i do find it quite difficult a couple of difficult for a couple of reasons. there's many reasons. firstly there's so many people massive, people driving these massive, great that great chelsea chariots now that are so high off the that are so high off the ground that their headlights are on the level with you. but the other thing to me thing is, it just seems to me that people are driving on full beam the day. yeah, beam throughout the day. yeah, and in my and there always was in my day that you went on full beam. that you only went on full beam. if there's vehicles ahead of if there's no vehicles ahead of you, they're not on full beam. >> this is a point, and we've been talking about it. they're not on full beam. it's just that

the new headlights are strong the new headlights are so strong that people are feeling that a lot of people are feeling dazzled. do you find it harder to drive night? dazzled. do you find it harder to (very night? dazzled. do you find it harder to (very muchht? dazzled. do you find it harder to (very much so so that i'm >> very much so much so that i'm actually very reluctant to drive at night. >> yeah, there's people >> yeah, there's a lot of people saying inbox is full saying that on our inbox is full of people saying that you. >> mike. >> mike. >> yeah. well, the new led lights. yeah i mean, they're actually for tv studios actually designed for tv studios to impression to give you the impression that you're see what you're in daylight. you see what i they're that bright. and i mean? they're that bright. and you dazzle at you say that they dazzle at night. you know where they night. do you know where they are? deadly. are? absolutely deadly. if somebody's coming the other way oven somebody's coming the other way over, a sleeping policeman, somebody's coming the other way over, ofsleeping policeman, somebody's coming the other way over, of the ping policeman, somebody's coming the other way over, of the car| policeman, somebody's coming the other way over, of the car| police upn, somebody's coming the other way over, of the car| police up and front of the car comes up and then it goes straight into your eyes and it looks like a full beam, it's not. you're beam, but it's not. you're right. ordinary light right. it's the ordinary light which be which is supposed to be horizontal, but goes vertical horizontal, but it goes vertical when you come the speed when you come over the speed bumps, are bumps, your led lights are supposed progress. yeah, absolutely. >> and yet it's stopping people. >> and yet it's stopping people. >> dangerous. >> they're terribly dangerous. i go and down the all the go up and down the a3 all the time the coast. okay and time to the coast. okay and sometimes i do it after a late show midnight or sometimes show at midnight or sometimes early 5:30. now early in the morning, 5:30. now there stretches of the a3 there are stretches of the a3 that don't have, uh, roadside lights. okay the stretches are

about four months. sorry. street lamps. street lamps. yeah, yeah. now that means it's now now that means it's complete. and utter darkness and when a car comes the other way, particularly if it's coming around a bend, it's coming fast. it is extremely dangerous. you are immediately thinking , what's are immediately thinking, what's my on the road ? yeah. my position on the road? yeah. am i too far over ? am i too am i too far over? am i too close to that car? it it's really very unsettling, honestly. and i think something should be done about it. the figures this report, it figures in this rac report, it is over 78% of people are making this sort of complaint and actually, saying that they actually, um, saying that they want the government, the rsc is saying government need to saying the government need to investigate on investigate what is going on here it is going to here because it is going to cause here because it is going to caula here because it is going to caui wonder, i talking about >> i wonder, i was talking about it already causing more accidents. >> it must be because the problem the high road problem is the high road accidents, they? we accidents, don't they? when we had the smart motorways it took years data to come years for the data to come through that they through to work out that they are dangerous. and i bet are very dangerous. and i bet you in couple of years time you in a couple of years time we'll find out that this is a problem which the authorities are of. don't are becoming aware of. but don't know about it. sorry know what to do about it. sorry to get older drivers to people

are lot older than are driving a lot older than they used to. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> remember, billions will >> but remember, billions will have new have been invested in this new light before. have been invested in this new ligibefore before. have been invested in this new ligibefore you before. have been invested in this new ligibefore you sayafore. have been invested in this new ligibefore you say it,re. have been invested in this new ligibefore you say it, when >> before you say it, when i started driving, they did not have someone walking in front with flag waving with a red flag and waving a lantern . before you say, but lantern. before you say, but look what what happens if you're in dead pony and trap steve? look what what happens if you're in indeed, pony and trap steve? look what what happens if you're in indeed, indeed.1d trap steve? >> indeed, indeed. >> indeed, indeed. >> certainly was >> well, it certainly was rhyming yes, but but rhyming with that, yes, but but no, no, take him anywhere. the reality is that round my way, you i'm londoner and you know, i'm a londoner and people, there's people there will always to get. get will always try to get. they get extra extra extra headlights, they get extra beam. always something beam. there's always something that you know, that they want to, you know, smoked windows, whatever. yeah. and some ways this is and i think in some ways this is almost a fashion statement. almost like a fashion statement. here know, i'm, i'm here i am, you know, i'm, i'm dazzling i think a the dazzling you. so i think a the manufacturers to look at manufacturers need to look at it. and b, the government needs to actually look the to actually look at the regulations this because regulations on this because i think is now think the luminescence is now so, so serious. so, so bright and so serious. >> i totally agree. >> i totally agree. >> basically a game of football under those. yeah. well yeah. >> got your first under those. yeah. well yeah. >> used got your first under those. yeah. well yeah. >> used to got your first under those. yeah. well yeah. >> used to be got your first under those. yeah. well yeah. >> used to be able/our first under those. yeah. well yeah. >> used to be able t0|r first under those. yeah. well yeah. >> used to be able to actually car. used to be able to actually change light bulb. yes. you change your light bulb. yes. you did know could take the did know you could take the front your life. yeah. and

front of your life. yeah. and then the beam came along. then the sealed beam came along. do remember. so had to do you remember. so you had to replace the light. now you replace the whole light. now you would have replace would literally have to replace the can would literally have to replace the car. yeah, the front of the car. yeah, yeah. honest god, yeah. honest to god, because it's one unit. now, it's all built as one unit. now, do you see what i mean? yeah. for instance, if you open the bonnet on your car, which i never have on mine, you can't actually engine actually see the engine anymore. it's in, know what it's all cased in, you know what it's all cased in, you know what i you can't. i mean? you can't. >> how do you fix it? >> well, you h. h- >> well, you have to get a garage mechanic to fix it. so if you've mercedes, you have you've got a mercedes, you have to go to a mercedes. they to go to a mercedes. and they know the lid off. so know how to take the lid off. so to speak. >> and they generally just plug it a computer it in these days to a computer and somehow fixes it. yeah, and that somehow fixes it. yeah, right. talking tech, right. talking of tech, britain's target mike britain's heat pump target mike remains despite britain's heat pump target mike remairinstallations. despite britain's heat pump target mike remairinstallations. soespite britain's heat pump target mike remairinstallations. so heat record installations. so heat pumps are not being installed quickly on quickly enough. what's going on with this just another >> well, this is just another great the great indication of the ill thought know, pace of thought out. you know, pace of us getting to net zero by 2030. utterly give utterly ridiculous. let me give you statistics the you some statistics here. the government heat you some statistics here. the governrto nt heat you some statistics here. the governrto nt fitted heat you some statistics here. the governrto nt fitted a heat you some statistics here. the governrto nt fitted a year heat you some statistics here. the governrto nt fitted a year by1eat pumps to be fitted a year by 2028. year , 40,000. well, 2028. last year, 40,000. well, how much do they cost? >> and that's the answer, isn't it? well they can cost anything up to 10 or £15,000.

>> it's not just the cost, but even if you've got a house, these heat pumps, if you got a sophisticated one, can be the size of a tennis court. they can be the size of a tennis court because they need so many pipes and you in and all that. if you live in a penthouse like me, can't penthouse like me, you can't have pump in a penthouse. have a heat pump in a penthouse. i live in a penthouse. abuse of watts. sorry >> what do you have views of epsom downs. >> oh, lovely. and >> very nice. oh, lovely. and i would to actually spend an would have to actually spend an awful lot more money paying for awful lot more money paying for a to come from the heat a pipe to come from the heat pump. would it be a communal heat pump for all of heat pump for all the size of the flats my block? the flats in my block? >> are enormous and they're >> they are enormous and they're ugly. and a house ugly. and i'm doing a house renovation at moment, renovation at the moment, or i'm about i into about to start and i looked into this because genuinely thought about to start and i looked into this becauswhat?|uinely thought about to start and i looked into this becauswhat? notely thought about to start and i looked into this becauswhat? not necessarily , you know what? not necessarily for . i think the for the planet. i think the science a ambiguous on science is a bit ambiguous on that, but for my own heating bills, i would idea bills, i would love the idea that generate my own that i could generate my own power. stephen are very power. stephen and they are very big. need a huge amount of big. you need a huge amount of space outside your house, which i don't have in area where we i don't have in an area where we could and really could put it, and they're really noisy . noisy. >> @ there is noisy. >> there is there's >> well, there is there's a possibility it was about 25 grand. actually grand. something actually quite

interesting that's been suggested i you suggested recently. i mean, you and we in west london. and i, we live in west london. they're talking about having communal you they're talking about having com have|l you they're talking about having com have one you they're talking about having com have one heat you they're talking about having comhave one heat pump you they're talking about having comhave one heat pump doing ou can have one heat pump doing 5 or 6 houses. is that right? if apparently can apparently the technology can exist, go exist, which house does it go in? it's a good question because >> it's a good question because some gardens, maybe some of these gardens, maybe there's a communal area, there's one like old one there and it's like the old estate systems in estate heating systems used in the house this the house at this stage. >> know, a boiler >> yeah. you know, a boiler room. the pipes would room. and then the pipes would go off. >> always felt very >> they always felt very stalinist. communal stalinist. those communal heating totally agree. >> well, they i totally agree. >> well, they i totally agree. >> future . >> welcome to the future. >> welcome to the future. >> goes wrong, do >> when it goes wrong, who do you this time? you blame? this time? >> it communist future. >> it is a communist future. >> it is a communist future. >> but don't forget, they were always on. october >> but don't forget, they were alweoff on. october >> but don't forget, they were alweoff in on. october >> but don't forget, they were alweoff in april. on. october >> but don't forget, they were alweoff in april. regardless ber >> but don't forget, they were alweoff in april. regardless of' and off in april. regardless of what the temperature was. yeah, % mean, i was. yeah, mean, i think % mean, i think >> yeah, i mean, i think that is not progress. >> yeah, i mean, i think that is not prog is;s. >> yeah, i mean, i think that is not prog is more retrograde. >> that is more retrograde. >> that is more retrograde. >> look, i think we're all agree on the idea. on one thing. the idea. >> good idea. too much >> it's a good idea. too much actually. well, okay. >> by and large, it'd a >> it's by and large, it'd be a good if we did have a good idea if we did have a non—polluting heating system. however, the pace of the introduction too rapid, introduction is too rapid, the cost the cost is too high, and the technology proven. and technology is not proven. and there side there are unfortunate side effects the rumbling, effects like the rumbling, the shaking and noise. shaking and the noise. >> should doing >> and what we should be doing is insulating our houses. you want to spend money, government

insulate houses, but i've already many reports already seen many, many reports in the couple of years that in the last couple of years that these heat pumps don't actually work. >> they don't get your water up to temperature. know to maximum temperature. you know what tepid, cold what i mean? it's tepid, cold day. were first day. when they were first introduced, were all sold on introduced, we were all sold on the oh, know, if you the idea. oh, you know, if you go to new york, see air go to new york, you see an air conditioning unit outside every window. about the window. you know, about the site, horrible. yeah, site, about this horrible. yeah, about suitcase. about the size of a suitcase. right. and said, well, it'll only be that you can hide it around the back of your house. no, no. they are no, no no no no. they are literally they can be the size of pool your of a swimming pool in your garden do actually work. garden if you do actually work. >> amazing. my cousin is the leader on leader of the labour group on tunbridge that tunbridge wells council. that must be very small group. must be a very small group. >> sorry to interrupt. do work. >> sorry interrupt. you >> sorry to interrupt. you stephen. to just take stephen. we want to just take a little of former little clip of former immigration minister robert little clip of former immigrehe�*i minister robert little clip of former immigrehe was nister robert little clip of former immigrehe was talking)bert little clip of former immigrehe was talking about jenrick. he was talking about the prime minister's rwanda plans. listen. now, plans. have a listen. just now, we're the government we're urging the government to strengthen the bill because, as currently drafted , we simply currently drafted, we simply don't it's going to work don't think it's going to work to create the deterrent effect that we need to stop the boats . that we need to stop the boats. >> at heart of >> at the heart of our amendments questions. amendments are two questions. one on how we can end once and

for all. the merry go round of individual claims where illegal migrants, helped by their lawyers , frustrate their lawyers, frustrate their removal. if we don't do that, then we're not going to achieve then we're not going to achieve the deterrent effect and legally and operationally, the scheme is going to fail. secondly we're setting out to stop the so—called pyjama injunctions from the strasbourg court. that's a foreign court that's where a foreign court can, even without giving reason ins, stop people from being sent to rwanda. that it stopped the flights in the summer of 2022, and it will stop them again unless we fix this once and for all. is it the case that the government needs to accept all of your amendments for you to back this bill? well, at the moment the bill doesn't work and it needs to be very seriously reformed. the package of amendments works together and so we would urge the government to accept all of the amendments . we accept all of the amendments. we hope that the government will respond in good faith to these suggestions. and we've also put

alongside it a very detailed set of legal opinions which say that these amendments have respectable legal arguments. and so they meet the test that the prime minister himself set out for accepting any amendments . for accepting any amendments. and so on that basis, i hope and expect that he will do so . expect that he will do so. >> we well, i'm a bit baffled as to why robert jenrick, who resigned as immigration minister, is talking about that. andrew, understand andrew, do you understand why? >> leading revolt >> well, he's leading the revolt on right. on the right. >> the group of the dirty 30. >> and he wants he's the one who wants to keep european court wants to keep the european court out. good they should keep their nose but he also nose clean, frankly. but he also wants to severely limit the right to appeal. now, right of people to appeal. now, we cates earlier we had miriam cates on earlier saying to appeal saying that the right to appeal would people would be limited to people if they're fly. what's they're not fit to fly. what's wrong with that, steve? well the reality defines reality is, who defines fit. >> problem. know, >> that's the problem. you know, you certificate . you get a doctor's certificate. the is, british the thing is, it's british domestic is actually domestic law that is actually stopping but, you stopping people flying. but, you know, the moment know, and i know at the moment there's no airline in the world will fly people to will actually fly people to rwanda. the government rwanda. so the government is can't air so can't use the air force. so they're going to get

they're going to have to get private minute. private charters the minute. >> use air >> why can't they use the air force >> why can't they use the air for(because you can't have the >> because you can't have the royal air force, you know, we've got enough planes anyway, got a few enough planes anyway, flying shuttling flying to rwanda, shuttling people, know. people, you know, you know. well, get a commercial? won't get a commercial? >> not? >> why not? >> why not? >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> they can. they can, they can they commercial flight. >> steven, do mean no >> steven, do you mean no commercial will commercial airlines will do it because bad publicity? because of the bad publicity? >> no, no, because all needs >> no, no, because all it needs is one on that flight is one person on that flight to stand screaming and shouting. >> pilot will take >> and the pilot will not take off. >> they will just hire >> but. but they will just hire planes what they'll planes from what they'll do from, know, charter from, you know, charter companies from rwanda. any charter will hire charter company will hire a plane because it's a commercial deal plane because it's a commercial deal. and then and then put deal. and then and then you put your people on the your own security people on the plane. not introduce plane. it's not introduce the rules sorry, we don't rules, i.e. i'm sorry, we don't stop the first time somebody shouts, i'm innocent. yeah. and dictate the policy . yeah. dictate the policy. yeah. >> we do not want the policy dictated lefties dictated by namby pamby lefties like stephen pound. well, because the thing is, i'm a pragmatic , sensible, serious pragmatic, sensible, serious person who understands that this whole idea is absolutely pants . whole idea is absolutely pants. >> birds. ain't >> it's for the birds. ain't going happen. there's no going to happen. there's no no way god's green earth you're way in god's green earth you're going to get 30,000 people.

there's alternative . do this there's no alternative. do this processing in this country. processing here in this country. the people who shouldn't be here whack back. the people who whack them back. the people who should more should be here, that's more difficult. back . we did difficult. get them back. we did it for ten years. >> but. but it's much more >> no, but. but it's much more difficult rounding difficult to go around rounding people be here. people up who shouldn't be here. if got process like people up who shouldn't be here. if and got process like people up who shouldn't be here. if and got who ess like people up who shouldn't be here. if and got who are like people up who shouldn't be here. if and got who are coming this and those who are coming know they've got to get know that they've got to get over this. it's got to be a process before they go across. >> can i just say there will flood across? stephen, if you say you're going to place them here, across here, they'll flood across because disappear here. here, they'll flood across becaulose disappear here. here, they'll flood across becaulose them.iisappear here. we'll lose them. >> the sooner we get id >> so the sooner we get id cards, the better. >> oh, don't start stephen pound. >> don't even. >> don't even. >> n >> don't even. >> i mean that >> that's a that's i mean that i mean it will get bogged down in the lords. >> own the house >> they'll own the house of commons and that's we're going to walk around with that to have to walk around with that because people. because of these people. >> remember that we're going to have change entirely how we have to change entirely how we live our life because these people. >> i don't know, because of people stephen. scared people like you, stephen. scared of rwanda? >> you? of rwanda? >> this ou? of rwanda? >> this rwanda they of rwanda? >> this gotanda they of rwanda? >> thisgot ana they of rwanda? >> thisgot an alternative. haven't got an alternative. >> i mean, i was talking to >> so, i mean, i was talking to somebody yesterday, a labour supporter kept, supporter who just kept, you know, shouting. the know, shouting, shouting. the governor million,

governor spent 290 million, not one yet has been one single person yet has been deported rwanda. but no deported to rwanda. but no alternative. course, you alternative. of course, you know, no alternative plan. and did they honestly think they were to introduce it on were going to introduce it on day one? we're going send day one? we're going to send people and spend £5 people to rwanda and spend £5 without trying to develop it and make it a credible government policy . and 290 million, by the policy. and 290 million, by the way, is what peanuts to way, is what absolute peanuts to what we spend on everything else, do you think how much you're hotels, keeping you're paying on hotels, keeping these people in hotels? >> i think of us, which is >> i think all of us, which is causing problems causing all sorts of problems with cohesion, and with social cohesion, steve, and people hotels people don't want these hotels in today. what in the papers today. what happened people happened in knowsley when people were through were slinging bricks through windows saying, windows up there and saying, we've get them out we've got to get them out of hotels? the problem is we're looking at wrong end of the looking at the wrong end of the telescope at telescope here. we're looking at them. once they're here, we should be at should actually be looking at this they arrive. this situation when they arrive. we processing people we should be processing people on arrival. we should be processing people on we/al. we should be processing people on we should be stopping them >> we should be stopping them coming. hang we coming. yeah well hang on, we can't a can't stay if they're in a boat crossing the channel. can't stay if they're in a boat croreven the channel. can't stay if they're in a boat croreven ife channel. can't stay if they're in a boat croreven if the|annel. can't stay if they're in a boat croreven if the royal. can't stay if they're in a boat croreven if the royal navy came >> even if the royal navy came up to stop it, up and tried to stop it, all they're doing is they would jump in the water or. >> just. not just in the water or. >> are just. not just in the water or. >> are frightenediot just in the water or. >> are frightened of just in the water or. >> are frightened of the labour are frightened of the rwanda policy. the

rwanda policy. what about the united nations, united united nations, the united nafions united nations, the united nations rwanda nations send people to rwanda from places in from all sorts of places in the world, afghanistan, from world, from afghanistan, from libya. they're telling us libya. and we they're telling us the government, it's the british government, it's wrong well hypocrisy. wrong to do it. well hypocrisy. >> what we have to do now, gentlemen , is move you'll be gentlemen, is move on. you'll be back the next hour. the royal back in the next hour. the royal navy few sailors that navy has got so few sailors that it to decommission two it has to decommission two warships. are warships. so what on earth are we red sea? this we doing in the red sea? this is britain's gb news. britain's newsroom on gb news. >> well. brighter >> we're doing well. brighter outlook solar . outlook with boxt solar. sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast dry for many us today. many of us today. >> sunniest the south, a lot >> sunniest in the south, a lot of elsewhere here and it of cloud elsewhere here and it will feel cold, will continue to feel cold, especially in the south where we've got this easterly wind and cold air imported from the continent. further north, lighter winds with high pressure nearby, but a lot of cloud coming into northern and eastern scotland , southern scotland as scotland, southern scotland as well northern and eastern england. and here there will be some showers and rain at lower

levels, some snow over the hills, but mostly these showers are light. 1 or 2 showers for wales as well, but otherwise western southern and western scotland, southern and southeast england. >> seeing the best any >> seeing the best of any sunshine wherever you are it sunshine and wherever you are it will cold. will feel cold. >> five six celsius at best. some places staying at 1 to 3 celsius with that biting in wind from the east affecting southern areas. and we'll continue to see that overnight . clear skies in that overnight. clear skies in the south leading to a widespread frost once again, temperatures dipping to minus one or two celsius fairly one or minus two celsius fairly widely. western scotland also seeing a touch of frost because of clear skies here. but elsewhere, where we've got the cloud, going stay. cloud, well, it's going to stay. frost free across parts of east wales into northern and eastern england, eastern scotland as well fewer showers around on thursday. in fact , after1 or thursday. in fact, after 1 or 2 showers, first thing mostly becomes dry by the afternoon. increasing amounts of sunshine across much of scotland and less sunshine further south and southeast, with cloud increasing through the day .

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i >> -- >> it's 11 am. lam >> it's 11 am. on wednesday, the 10th of january. >> this is britain's newsroom on tv news with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> thank you very much for joining so read joining us this morning. so read c defence secretary c attacks the defence secretary grant says the largest grant shapps says the largest houthi in the red houthi attack to date in the red sea has repelled by hms sea has been repelled by hms diamond and us warships. our security editor, mark white, has the latest . the latest. >> well, there is no doubt this is an escalation. hms diamond shot down seven of those 18 attack drones , as well as three attack drones, as well as three missiles that were launched towards shipping in the red sea . towards shipping in the red sea. >> rwanda rebels. >> rwanda rebels. >> they're rallying. more than 30 tory mps are calling on the prime minister to toughen up that rwanda bill, which is back in commons next week , and in the commons next week, and fujitsu architect demands protection. >> the man behind the horizon,

it system wants immunity before appearing in front of an inquiry on the post office scandal, gareth jenkins previously gave evidence saying that the fujitsu system was not corrupt , but system was not corrupt, but ditched after stephen fry's calling for the kingsguard to stop using real fur as part of their ceremonial dress. >> is he right? would you be offended if i called bev turner only because george clooney caused quite a stir by describing his wife that human rights lawyer amal clooney is just that nothing wrong with being homely. >> i quite like the better than being frumpy or mumsy. that's the other one. that's sort of bracket, isn't it? but it shows we don't really respect. we don't appreciate the domestic work the house building and work and the house building and running the and running the house and the parenting predominantly running the house and the parentirdo predominantly running the house and the parentirdo. predominantly running the house and the parentirdo . theyzdominantly running the house and the parentirdo . they certainlytly running the house and the parentirdo . they certainly do. let women do. they certainly do. let us know your thoughts this

morning. gb views at gb news.com . first though, the very latest news with sam . news with sam. >> bev and andrew. thank you very much . good morning from the very much. good morning from the gb newsroom. the headlines at 11 plans to clear the names of hundreds of post office staff who were caught up in the honzon who were caught up in the horizon scandal. will be announced imminently. more than 700 subpostmasters were wrongly convicted, jailed or bankrupted as a result of flawed computer software. the scandal has also seen the post office boss, former post office boss, now former post office boss, now former paula paula venables, vennells rather hand back her cbe , the postal services cbe, the postal services minister kevin hollinrake, has said this morning the government is definitely not ruling out emergency legislation to overturn all convictions . the overturn all convictions. the defence secretary says the uk has helped repel the largest ever attack by iranian backed houthi rebels in the red sea overnight. hms diamond, along with the us, successfully

destroyed multiple attack drones. no crew on the warship have been injured and they haven't suffered any damage , haven't suffered any damage, grant shapps says. the attacks are completely unacceptable and he's warned there will be consequences . the yemeni consequences. the yemeni militants have been targeting ships in the red sea in support of hamas in its war with israel . of hamas in its war with israel. well back in the uk, rishi sunak is facing another showdown with mps over his rwanda plan, with around 30 conservatives pushing for changes, the safety of rwanda bill is set to be debated next week. over two days in the commons . the former immigration commons. the former immigration minister is leading the proposed amendments that would allow mps to ignore last minute injunctions from eu courts that stop planes deporting migrants. robert jenrick says the bill, in its current form, simply won't work at the heart of our amendments are two questions one how we can end once for and all. >> the merry go round of individual claims where illegal migrants, helped by their lawyers , frustrate their lawyers, frustrate their removal. if we don't do that, then we're not going to achieve

then we're not going to achieve the deterrent effect . and the deterrent effect. and legally and operationally the scheme is going to fail. so secondly, we're setting out to stop the so—called pyjama injunction from the strasbourg court . that's where a foreign court. that's where a foreign court. that's where a foreign court can, even without giving reasons, stop people from being sent to rwanda . sent to rwanda. >> well, news, in the last hour we're hearing that the estimated cost of building hs2 between london and birmingham has soared to as much as £66.6 billion. the chairman of the project, sir john thompson, told mps that the increase is due to the original budgets being too low. changes to scope of the project , poor to scope of the project, poor delivery and inflation. in 2013, hs2 was estimated to cost 37.5 billion for the entire planned network. that included the now scrapped sections from birmingham to manchester and leeds. birmingham to manchester and leeds . the parents of a british leeds. the parents of a british tourist who died after a helicopter crash in the grand canyon will receive a £78

million payout. jonathan udall was one of the passengers, including his wife, who died after the disaster in 2018. the 31 year old, who was on a honeymoon in las vegas, suffered burns over 90% of his body and spent 12 days in hospital , where spent 12 days in hospital, where he later died. his parents claimed wrongful death in the lawsuit , saying their son could lawsuit, saying their son could have survived if not for the post—crash . fire in ecuador , post—crash. fire in ecuador, violence is erupting, with police checkpoints and helicopters patrolling major cities. ecuador's president daniel noboa, has declared a state of emergency following the prison escape of one of the country's most notorious gang bosses yesterday , hooded gunmen bosses yesterday, hooded gunmen burst into a live television studio waving guns and wearing masks. police have confirmed that 13 arrests have so far been made . a drawing of queen made. a drawing of queen victoria is among over 1700 missing objects from museums across england. the list of

misplaced items has been collated by galleries and museums from over the last 20 years. the national portrait gallery says it has 45 missing items, while the victoria and albert museum say they have more than 180 missing artefacts . the than 180 missing artefacts. the world's first ever pothole preventing robot is set to hit the roads in hertfordshire after a successful test rollout. the machine , called eris prevent, machine, called eris prevent, can identify and classify potholes using artificial intelligence . it can then intelligence. it can then automatically fill in the holes to keep out water, which would otherwise seep through the surface, causing more damage. if successful , the machine could successful, the machine could save time and money to identify potholes and reduce the disruption they cause to drivers and the princess royal has been welcomed to sri lanka with the traditional dance , with traditional dance, with a traditional dance, with a traditional dance, with a traditional dance display . traditional dance display. princess anne will visit the south asian country over the next three days with her husband to mark 75 years of diplomatic relations. during her visit, the

princess will meet the country's president and first lady. she'll also undertake engagements and meet local communities and faith groups in the capital, colombo . groups in the capital, colombo. well, that's the latest from the gb newsroom. for more, we're across the uk on tv , on digital across the uk on tv, on digital radio and on our website gb news.com . now though. more from news.com. now though. more from andrew and . bev andrew and. bev >> thank you forjoining us here >> thank you for joining us here on britain's newsroom. let's see what you've been saying. at home. we had miriam cates in the studio this morning, and of course the rwanda issue is rumbling on. and john has said the needs to split . the tory party needs to split. it's become too broad a church . it's become too broad a church. the party i used to vote for is only represented by a minority of tory mps nowadays. it's time for vote so for me to vote reform. so presumably think presumably you would think miriam is one of those mps. >> victor says if some mps >> and victor says if some mps really that around really believe that around a plan won't work, they should wave prove it. or wave it through to prove it. or are actually will are they actually afraid it will work? good point. work? it's a very good point.

why let give it chance? why not let give it a chance? why not let give it a chance? why down? oh, i don't why vote it down? oh, i don't think it will work. give it chance. >> yeah, and then if it fails, then so be it. then you say, well, you when then well, i told you so. when then what do we do? what else? there's rumbling there's an election rumbling on. >> what labour >> and you know what the labour said. oh we're going to toughen >> and you know what the labour sai patrols e're going to toughen >> and you know what the labour sai patrols one going to toughen >> and you know what the labour sai patrols on theing to toughen >> and you know what the labour sai patrols on theing to torwithi up patrols on the beaches with the french. you're trying to do that and we're going that for years, and we're going to gangs, people to tackle the gangs, the people smuggling they're smuggling gangs. well, they're tory, government. the tory, the tory government. the tories trying tories have been trying to do that avail. tories have been trying to do tha nigel, avail. tories have been trying to do tha nigel, on avail. tories have been trying to do tha nigel, on thisail. tories have been trying to do tha nigel, on this issue has said >> nigel, on this issue has said with regards to sending illegal immigrants the immigrants to rwanda, once the flights what happens? immigrants to rwanda, once the fligwe what happens? immigrants to rwanda, once the fligwe wave what happens? immigrants to rwanda, once the fligwe wave goodbye happens? immigrants to rwanda, once the fligwe wave goodbye to ppens? immigrants to rwanda, once the fligwe wave goodbye to them? immigrants to rwanda, once the fligwe wave goodbye to them or do we wave goodbye to them or are going to pay them x are we going to pay them x amount per to amount per week per person to keep them at keep them forever at the taxpayers be taxpayers expense? we should be told the facts. is told all of the facts. sunak is a faced liar. a bare faced liar. >> and don't forget when the permanent secretary home permanent secretary at the home office gave evidence a office gave evidence for a select committee of mps, he admitted know where admitted he didn't know where 17,000 17,000 have just 17,000 were. 17,000 have just vanished. out, gone . vanished. out, gone. >> and you liked our farmers story? actually listening to gareth jones and tim says we gareth wyn jones and tim says we have to love our farmers. they provide food and therefore provide our food and therefore our health. and dartmoor farmers

are our heart in devon and if you can buy british, look on the label. >> i was doing me too. i go to my greengrocers anyway, but if i'm in the supermarket kc i always buy british. you pay with always buy british. you pay with a check, i pay cash or by cheque and my greengrocer loves me because i pay cash. i can't stand it when people get a cash point thing out. carved thing to pay point thing out. carved thing to pay £0.90. yeah, give them a poundi pay £0.90. yeah, give them a pound i know, i know. >> well, we've got to keep cash. gb news has done such a good job. we've got more cash flowing around than we around the economy now than we have while now, this is have in a while now, this is going to a story that i think going to be a story that i think is going to bigger and bigger. >> hms diamond, one of our very few warships and few royal naval warships and american warships, shot american warships, have shot down of missiles and down a vast wave of missiles and drones, fired by yemen's houthi rebels after the largest attack in the red so far. in the red sea. so far. >> that's right. so mark white is here in the studio with us to explain this one explain this. mark this is one of these you think, of these stories you think, well, it's a long way away. it's overin well, it's a long way away. it's over in red sea. all over in the red sea. it's all about trade flow about letting the trade flow freely through that area, which

is important because we're buying shots. why should buying the shots. but why should we be concerned about this ? we be concerned about this? >> well, we should be concerned because a potential for because there's a potential for a much wider escalation in that region, which we would inevitably see be dragged into . inevitably see be dragged into. but as you see, also , uh, issues but as you see, also, uh, issues around getting that trade to the uk , this is a vital shipping uk, this is a vital shipping lane from asia to the west , uh, lane from asia to the west, uh, up through the red sea and up through the, um, the suez canal. there and if they have to go around , um, the horn of africa, around, um, the horn of africa, then you're talking, uh, an extra ten days or so to that. so that's going to put costs up, pnces that's going to put costs up, prices go up, it affects everybody. uh, oil prices, uh , everybody. uh, oil prices, uh, potentially going up. uh, prices in the supermarkets going up as well. so purely from a domestic selfish point of view, then clearly it is an issue. but actually in terms of a wider regional conflict, it's a concern as well. we i think

we're just showing some of the images there from hms diamond, the type 45 destroyer. we were given some images from the ministry of defence as well. some still images actually on board that ship as they were firing these missiles. uh, last night, uh, to try and defend the shipping in the area from this very significant attack . 18 very significant attack. 18 attack drones that were launched towards shipping and also naval vessels. and that's the images here. you can see the, the crew on hms diamond on the bridge there. and they're anti—flash gear as one of the missiles. another of their uh, uh, sea viper missiles is launched to try and intercept. so these drones sorry to interrupt you, mark, but just to be clear, my military expertise is not great. >> um, are they trying to hit drone individual drones ? uh, drone individual drones? uh, you've got to be a good shot at, uh. >> they're very sophisticated , >> they're very sophisticated, kit. they can easily take out

drones , uh, and even, uh , drones, uh, and even, uh, missiles. some of the missile anti—ship, uh , um, anti—air anti—ship, uh, um, anti—air missiles that that we've got the americans have got can actually take out ballistic much far faster air moving missiles as well . so, uh, yeah, i faster air moving missiles as well. so, uh, yeah, i mean, there's a big debate about should we be using , uh, missiles should we be using, uh, missiles costing hundreds of thousands of pounds to take out a drone costing, you know, hundreds or thousands of pounds. costing, you know, hundreds or thousands of pounds . yeah. and thousands of pounds. yeah. and the answer actually is yes, because it's not the drone . it's because it's not the drone. it's the damage that the drone can do if it connects with either our, uh, civilian shipping commercial shipping, or indeed a naval vessel. >> people will be curious, mark, why these missiles and drones are coming from yemen. one of the poorest countries on the planet, is locked in planet, which is locked in a terrible civil war. but these are actually these missiles are funded iran. yeah because of funded by iran. yeah because of israel's conflict with hamas in gaza. >> yeah. much of this links back to iran and its proxies , as we

to iran and its proxies, as we know that the houthi rebels in yemen are backed by iran . they yemen are backed by iran. they say that they are targeting , uh, say that they are targeting, uh, commercial shipping that is unked commercial shipping that is linked to israel. well, that's debateable i think some of the supposed links to israel are tenuous , uh, at best. and we tenuous, uh, at best. and we know , uh, clearly as last night, know, uh, clearly as last night, according to the defence secretary, some of these drones , secretary, some of these drones, uh, were heading in the direction of the type 45 destroyer, hms diamond that was forced to take out seven of these 18 drones. >> now we're working alongside america and other allies . is america and other allies. is there a possibility this could escalate to the point where iran , uh, because effectively we're shooting down iran hardware? um become involved directly? well that's what everybody is trying to avoid. >> and we've got the us secretary of state, antony blinken, in the region at the moment . um, blinken, in the region at the moment. um, so blinken, in the region at the moment . um, so you've got the moment. um, so you've got the diplomatic steps that are underway . by all of the regions,

underway. by all of the regions, uh, all of the countries in that region that know, of course, about the potential damage of an escalation in this conflict. uh, americans trying to look for a way forward that can, uh, perhaps lead to some kind of de—escalation from israel in gaza. de—escalation from israel in gaza . uh, and it's hoped if gaza. uh, and it's hoped if those tensions, if that de—escalation can happen , then de—escalation can happen, then the tensions will be eased, then perhaps the houthi rebels and others, hezbollah, for instance , others, hezbollah, for instance, in southern lebanon, will stop their attacks on israel . and their attacks on israel. and israel linked shipping in that region. but it's very, very dangerous at the moment. uh, as i say, this is the single biggest attack now. yeah, that has been launched at shipping in the red sea. well how would you say the mood across the nation, across the world, actually, mark, from political leaders around the world in terms of israel at the moment and their, their, uh, you know , sustained their, uh, you know, sustained bombing of palestine . because bombing of palestine. because it's very much slipped off the news radar . news radar. >> but it is it is miserable

over there. >> and david cameron was almost evasive when he gave evidence for yesterday. lord cameron , for mps yesterday. lord cameron, we must call him our foreign secretary, have broken secretary, but have they broken the law? >> israel? i think you he >> israel? i think you know, he said said get tough. said he said get tough. >> they're themselves. >> they're defending themselves. >> they're defending themselves. >> you know, had >> key allies who, you know, had full for israel full throated support for israel in the days after the 7th of october attacks by hamas are now very publicly saying, look, you know , we need to find a way of know, we need to find a way of de—escalating this , getting the de—escalating this, getting the aid in, uh, to help, uh, those people in gaza, but also , of people in gaza, but also, of course, at the same time and david cameron was saying this in his evidence, you've got to have a solution , uh, to what israel a solution, uh, to what israel is facing . and it's not yet in is facing. and it's not yet in the place where hamas has been degrade , added, uh, to the point degrade, added, uh, to the point that it doesn't, uh , pose that it doesn't, uh, pose a threat to israel anymore . we are threat to israel anymore. we are still getting daily rocket attacks launched from gaza into israel proper. uh, so clearly

there's a job of work to do, even though israel is saying in the north of gaza, they pretty much degraded hamas's capabilities , and now they're capabilities, and now they're focussed on the rocket attacks continue from hamas because they don't want a ceasefire. >> they're on record as saying they don't want a ceasefire to push into the sea. push israel into the sea. >> they want to see, you know, the israel , uh, the destruction of israel, uh, in realpolitik at the end of the day, of course, they will want, uh, a cessation of the hostilities. it's having a very heavy toll taking a very heavy toll on hamas itself. but they're still capability . they're still capability. >> they're clearly amazing statistic that was released yesterday by the united nations saying that since october the 7th, ten children on average a day in gaza have lost one or both legs . both legs. >> yeah, which is shocking, but we have to remember how many children are still being kept hostage by hamas. yeah. after the after the terrible attack. and in october, you know, and also in october, you know, we've said it before , but it we've said it before, but it bears repeating, you know , hamas bears repeating, you know, hamas

has of , you know, has a policy of, you know, ensuring that its infrastructure, its rocket launchers and alike are in civilian areas. >> it knows the net result of that will be of course, strikes from israel . that will take from israel. that will take a toll on the civilian population that then feeds into what hamas wants, which is worldwide condemnation. breathtaking. >> israel is breathtaking, you see, because they use their own people as human shields. >> and those poor people, those people as human shields. >> apeople,3 poor people, those people as human shields. >> apeople, genuinely,yle, those people as human shields. >> apeople, genuinely, though,a poor people, genuinely, though, especially children. especially those poor children. right thank you. mark. um, so joining us now from westminster is our political correspondent, katherine right. katherine forster right. catherine. um, good morning for our viewers. bring them up to date. what's going on with the rwanda bill? it's going to be another big week in this story for people who are just tuning in. next steps ? yes exactly. >> there was a big row when it had its first, uh , vote in had its first, uh, vote in parliament just before christmas. >> and next week the bill comes back on tuesday and wednesday,

likely to be very, very difficult for the prime minister, i should say, here in downing street, tons of cameras were expecting him to come out any moment now to head off to prime minister's questions . so prime minister's questions. so we know there's lots of splits within the conservative party and a group of about 30, um , mps and a group of about 30, um, mps on the right of the party has tabled a whole series of amendments now, which they want the government to add to toughen up this bill, to make it impossible for what we call pyjama injunctions, basically, for european courts to stop us doing what we want to do and also to really, really limit the number of people who could potentially put a claim in to not be sent to rwanda for basically restricting it to those who are unfit to fly. so heavily, pregnant women, etc. and now they feel that that's all within the law. they feel it's essential . it's essential. >> all people, like the former immigration minister robert jenrick, have been speaking , and

jenrick, have been speaking, and he said that the bill as drafted simply will not work . suella simply will not work. suella braverman, the former home secretary, has also said that the bill, as it stands currently will fail on contact with reality so that side of the party thinks it's a essential to toughen it up. >> but on the other hand, you've got about 100 more centrist, one nafion got about 100 more centrist, one nation conservatives who think that it can't possibly go any further at all. now, we've already heard sir robert buckland , former justice buckland, former justice secretary, saying that these amendments go too far and he feels that the bill is the absolute maximum as it stands , absolute maximum as it stands, that that side of the party can take. so i expect there's going to be a another big row and the government whips will be trying very, very hard over the next few days to talk people round the one nation group, saying they're also going to table their own amendments. so so um, a very difficult start back to a

new terme in parliament for rishi sunak and catherine. >> that's the point, isn't it? he he's damned either way, isn't he? if he moves to the, to the side of we were talking to miriam you heard miriam cates, as you heard earlier wants appeals to be earlier, who wants appeals to be limited to if you're not fit to to fly the other side, the one nafion to fly the other side, the one nation group of tories like robert buckland, the former lord chancellor, who say it's already gone too far because he's worried it's diluting the power of courts and the judges in of the courts and the judges in europe. how does he marry the two together? yes exactly. >> and the answer is we don't know. and we don't know if he can, because we've already had cabinet resignations. robert jenrick the immigration minister, who was previously a huge ally of rishi sunak. minister, who was previously a huge ally of rishi sunak . we've huge ally of rishi sunak. we've had suella braverman sacked, of course , but there's people course, but there's people within cabinet who feel very strongly that this bill is pretty much right on the edge and can't go further. and can't go any further. victoria prentice, the attorney general , if the government tried general, if the government tried to amend this bill, make it even more tough potentially, she might go. so it's an incredibly

difficult path that they're treading and bearing in mind, of course, too, that rishi sunak said that the government in kigali , in rwanda, if they went kigali, in rwanda, if they went any further, might pull the plug on the whole thing. bear in mind they've already committed up to 400 million now and going forward for this scheme, not a single migrant aren't sent to rwanda and who knows whether it will ever happen. >> okay. thank you so much, catherine. every time i hear that figure of 400 millions already gone to rwanda, we've not had a single person on the plane. and what we don't really know they've done know yet is what they've done with the money they would have built. >> um, a detention had >> um, a detention centre had they sure there's no they built. i'm sure there's no processing centre. >> i'm sure nobody's creaming a little off. nobody has ever little bit off. nobody has ever heard corruption any heard of any corruption in any african state. >> have they ever. >> right. >> right. >> still stephen fry is >> still to come, stephen fry is calling kings guard calling for the kings guard to drop the real bear fur hats. >> but they get rid of those >> but if they get rid of those hats, they're heads will still be get it? oh, dear. it be bare. get it? oh, dear. it was britain's newsroom >> on .

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>> you've seen them. they wear those tall, black bearskin hats. they're sight. tourists they're a common sight. tourists love to watch them at the changing of the guard. >> us is senior >> so joining us now is senior campaigns for kate campaigns manager for peta, kate wiener . hello, kate. kate wenner wiener. hello, kate. kate wenner good morning kate. hi. to good see you. right. i presume you are in support stephen fry are in support of stephen fry saying these saying that these are anachronistic . they are anachronistic. they are outdated. we do not need to see real bearskin on hats. yes >> yeah. of course. i mean, the new expose that stephen is narrating shows bears being bahed narrating shows bears being baited , shot disembowelled and baited, shot disembowelled and dismembered by recreational hunters in canada, where these kings guards bearskin caps originate . and the footage originate. and the footage reveals that these hunters are baiting bears with buckets of cookies and bagels and then shooting these unsuspecting animals , sometimes with high animals, sometimes with high powered crossbows, which is a form of hunting that's actually been banned in the uk for decades. and then we know that some of the hunters sell the pelts on to auction houses , pelts on to auction houses, which is where the cap makers will purchase the fur to be made

into these ceremonial caps. and it's just an acceptable that the government continues to support the slaughter of these bears . the slaughter of these bears. when a faux bear fur is readily available, it's being offered to the mod at no cost. um, until 2030, in an unlimited amount. and we know that it beats bertha in terms of performance and aesthetics. so there really is no reason why why the mod can't make this switch . make this switch. >> it's interesting, kate, because the king, we still want to call him the prince of wales. of course he's incredibly alive to the whole environmental cause, championing it long before it was fashionable for 40, 50 years ago. um, he must he could just pick up the phone, couldn't he? to the secretary of state for defence and say, stop it, minister. >> yeah. and we've written to the king today and we've shared this new expose with him, and we hope he will support, you hope that he will support, you know, call and that we'll

know, the call and that we'll see some movement from the mod subsequently on this issue . so, subsequently on this issue. so, um, we have written to them recently and we've offered to pay a recently and we've offered to pay a new round of testing pay for a new round of testing on faux to compare it to on the faux fur to compare it to the bear fur to show once again that it meets all of the requirements that the mod has asked for, and that it's ready to be rolled out. >> so what are those requirements? kate? i'm wondering why still wondering why they're still using they were using the fur. if they were here, would they say that here, what would they say that it's, know, lightweight here, what would they say that it's, good now, lightweight here, what would they say that it's, goodnow, lighproperties here, what would they say that it's, good now, lighproperties , weight, good thermal properties, maybe little bit waterproof . maybe a little bit waterproof. what kind of things are they looking a hat? looking for in a hat? >> yeah . so appearance, it's >> yeah. so its appearance, it's waterproof. water retention in drying rate and compression testing . and we've had the faux testing. and we've had the faux fur tested in an mod accredited laboratory . and it actually laboratory. and it actually outperforms bertha. it dries quicker , it's more sustainable. quicker, it's more sustainable. it offers enhanced user comfort. so we won't see guards, you know, fainting on the parade ground in the heat. um, so really, you know, if you were to look at the two fabrics side by

side , you wouldn't see any side, you wouldn't see any difference. so the tradition of wearing the caps can continue. we're just asking that the fabnc we're just asking that the fabric is updated to reflect 21st century values, like it would be a pr win for them, wouldn't you? >> yeah, an easy win. i mean, kate, i naively i mean, this is how naive i am about these issues. thought these bears issues. i thought these bears lived a happy, free range life somewhere were gently somewhere and were gently dispatched before making their way to the tower of london to stand there. am i wrong about that ? that? >> no. these bears are being killed with guns and bows and arrows by recreational hunters. it's essential trophy hunting and then the fur like i say, is sold at auction. and becomes bearskin caps in some cases. and actually since 2017, which is when the faux fur was made available to the mod 498 caps have been created and that is . have been created and that is. 498 bears because it takes one bean

498 bears because it takes one bear. yeah. >> does it really take one bear for one bear, one hat? >> good lord. yeah. >> good lord. yeah. >> and it's so unsustainable because they only use a tiny portion of the bear fur from the back of their necks . right. portion of the bear fur from the back of their necks. right. um, so the rest is just discarded . so the rest is just discarded. and so it's outrageous. won me oven and so it's outrageous. won me over. to change. over. we have to change. >> we you. >> we? you. >> em“- e m e ove r, 5 me over, kate. >> you've won me over, kate. you've started you've won me over. i started the day said, well , you've won me over. i started the day said, well, i'm sure the day i said, well, i'm sure you you didn't care. and you said you didn't care. and i didn't really care. i said, i do , usually, very , and usually, kate, i very often , i very often disagree often, i very often disagree with your organisation with what your organisation does, but i think you're on to a winner let us know what winner here and let us know what response from the king. response you get from the king. >> for kate, are >> if you get one for kate, are they ? they cheaper? >> the faux fur compared to the real fur? do you know to buy? >> yes, yes. »- >> yes, yes. >> each cap costs about £1,700 to make with real bear fur. >> each cap costs about £1,700 to make with real bear fur . and to make with real bear fur. and of course, eco pile. the faux fur who makes the faux fur has offered it for free to the mod, so it will be. >> um, yeah, it's a no brainer. really is right. thank you so much, kate. kate werner there from peter petter . uh,

much, kate. kate werner there from peter petter. uh, raising awareness of that . well, who awareness of that. well, who knew? i didn't think i changed my mind on that. you know, my, the first time i went to india, we were on a coach going somewhere and there was a the coach driver because coach driver stopped because there the there was a guy with the performing bear, and i and we were horrified and we said, we don't stop. don't want to stop. >> but looked that bear's >> but i looked into that bear's eyes. i'm not eyes. honestly, i'm not exaggerating. the bear was so sad . it was. and it was on a sad. it was. and it was on a chain and he pulls the chain to make it perform. it was so sad. and we stop doing it. and we said, stop doing it. >> knew? yeah, yeah . >> who knew? yeah, yeah. >> who knew? yeah, yeah. >> i can be compassionate >> so i can be compassionate frozen occasionally after all. no, i look honestly, the bear's eyes broke my heart. >> oh, it was so sad. that is sad. well, i've changed my mind. still tax and often still to come. no tax and often no taste. yet still hit no taste. yet they still hit your wallet. why are non your wallet. so why are non alcoholic drinks so expensive? because we're being ripped off by the supermarkets again. isn't that the case? first though, here is your news with sam . bev

here is your news with sam. bev >> andrew thank you very much. good morning from the gb news room, i'm sam francis, our top story just after half past story at just after half past 11, plans to clear the names of hundreds of post office staff caught up in the horizon scandal will be announced imminently. more than 700 subpostmasters were convicted and were wrongly convicted and jailed or bankrupted as a result of the flawed computer software . of the flawed computer software. the scandal has also seen former post office boss paula vennells and her cbe back the postal services minister, kevin hollinrake, has said this morning that the government is definitely not ruling out emergency legislation to overturn all convictions . overturn all convictions. meanwhile, the defence secretary has said that the uk has helped to repel the largest ever attack by iranian backed houthi rebels in the red sea . overnight. hms in the red sea. overnight. hms diamond, along with the us, successfully destroyed multiple attack drones. no crew on the warship have been injured and they haven't suffered any damage . grant shapps, though, says that the attacks are completely unacceptable and he's warned

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that i knew had dewbs& co weeknights from six. >> you just never sit next to stephen pound in an ad break any time. >> actually, he used the frankie howerd of broadcasting and politics. he is the master of the double entendre . he really the double entendre. he really is. he's a former labour mp to pull ourselves together . pull ourselves together. >> we're doing a new show right last night on gb news, nigel farage predicted the next decade of british politics and said you are, you are going to be governed by labour. >> i think labour have got a

decade in power, almost written in already. such is the level of disenchantment at the conservatives and what they've done. >> remember this in 1974, the conservative party lost the election. >> you would have thought for all the world they were doomed after ted heath. but a new political philosophy and a new leader came along in margaret thatcher. were only in thatcher. they were only in opposition terme. the opposition for one terme. the silent majority in this country agree with many of the things, mark, that you and i agree with. it's part of why gb news is doing as well as it is. i don't know whether the conservatives are going to be replaced or whether they're going to be changed. and what i do know is that reform is going to play a very important role in realigning the centre right of british politics to give us a proper choice. well . that was proper choice. well. that was nigel farage is, of course, a lot of people would say, and we've got panel here, we'll we've got our panel here, we'll see what they think the see what they think that the reform which the reform uk, which he's the president of, will guarantee ten years of labour or because it will take votes and tories

stephen pound a former stephen pound you're a former labour the by elections labour mp in the by elections where was where labour majority was actually less than the amount of votes that were actually taken for reform. votes that were actually taken for reforn nigel, i think he's >> look, nigel, i think he's shown bit leg here, shown a little bit of leg here, isn't because he's he's kind shown a little bit of leg here, isris because he's he's kind shown a little bit of leg here, isris he because he's he's kind shown a little bit of leg here, isris he willause he's he's kind shown a little bit of leg here, isris he will he e he's he's kind shown a little bit of leg here, isris he will he will's he's kind shown a little bit of leg here, isris he will he will he |e's kind shown a little bit of leg here, isris he will he will he won't1d of is he will he will he won't he. will he do. and he's in he. what will he do. and he's in a very strong position. a very, very strong position. he's i've said he's been as i've said before, one of the influential one of the most influential politicians generation, politicians of my generation, without changes politicians of my generation, witheather. changes politicians of my generation, witheather. what's changes politicians of my generation, witheather. what's he|anges politicians of my generation, witheather. what's he going the weather. but what's he going to is he going to be on the to do? is he going to be on the sidelines or is he going to be, you purely you know, just purely an observer a commentator, or you know, just purely an othe ver a commentator, or you know, just purely an othe actuallya commentator, or you know, just purely an othe actually going nentaton or you know, just purely an othe actually going to ntator, or you know, just purely an othe actually going to getor, or you know, just purely an othe actually going to get in or is he actually going to get in and get down dirty? because, is he actually going to get in amean, down dirty? because, is he actually going to get in a mean, in wn dirty? because, is he actually going to get in amean, in all dirty? because, is he actually going to get in amean, in all honesty,'? because, is he actually going to get in amean, in all honesty, i because, is he actually going to get in amean, in all honesty, i thinkjse, i mean, in all honesty, i think if you look at the stats, labour i mean, in all honesty, i think if y ahead, at the stats, labour i mean, in all honesty, i think if yahead, butthe stats, labour i mean, in all honesty, i think if y ahead, but there's s, labour i mean, in all honesty, i think if y ahead, but there's a labour i mean, in all honesty, i think if y ahead, but there's a hugerr are ahead, but there's a huge block of undecided people. they're we're in they're huge and we're now in the politics. the world of retail politics. the certainties have got the old certainties have got you. automatically you. it's not automatically labour there's labour or tory. there's100 different blooming. there and n there and i would argue the >> and mike, i would argue the reason they're far is reason they're so far ahead is not because people think, oh, that starmer is that keir starmer is aspirational, he's aspirational, charismatic. he's the . it's because the tories the man. it's because the tories are. don't believe that are. you don't believe that for are. you don't believe that for a stephen pound. it's a moment. stephen pound. it's because tories made because the tories have made such a so many things. such a hash of so many things. >> look, there's a very big silent country. silent majority in this country. we that out at the last

we found that out at the last election. is election. when i think nigel is going oh, going out and saying, oh, they're for a decade and they're in it for a decade and all that, he's great all that, he's a great politician. bit naive politician. but it's a bit naive that because we all thought or are who are interested in are those who are interested in politics thought that once boris johnson 80 seat majority, johnson got an 80 seat majority, i said to myself that night, right, two terms for boris without a shadow of how without a shadow of a doubt, how are overcome are they ever going to overcome an seat majority in just five an 80 seat majority in just five years? but then , who was the years? but then, who was the famous prime minister who said events , dear boy? events? was it events, dear boy? events? was it milan? you. anything milan? milan thank you. anything could also believe two could happen. i also believe two other could i other things could happen. i think labour could gerrymander it sure get voters it to make sure they get voters who not here now, i.e. who are not here now, i.e. reduce voting age. okay. and reduce the voting age. okay. and younger people , people through younger people, people through the education system that we've allowed grow up this allowed to grow up in this country are definitely, my country are definitely, in my view brainwashed , view, being not brainwashed, but, you know, driven towards alternative , uh, areas of alternative, uh, areas of thought and, and of course, the other thing that could happen is , is that they might make such a hash of it economically after the first 18 months. i'm talking

about a labour government. right. because angela rayner right. because if angela rayner invokes all the she wants invokes all the things she wants to red tape, with to do with red tape, with strengthening the unions, with reducing ability to change reducing the ability to change jobs and all that kind of stuff, there's going to be an economic crash within about 18 months, in my view. stephen >> yeah, i have to say that i'm not entirely sure what mike, stop the stop talking about with the a generation young people generation of young people being directed particular places. directed in particular places. >> are education >> look, they are education is left wing days in this country. >> i'm sorry, but they love nigel left nigel farage. but it's left wing. anti—labour believe you me. but look, the gerrymandering . gerrymandering is about changing and changing boundaries and parliamentary changing boundaries and parltories:ary changing boundaries and parl tories have just that. the tories have just done that. they've just themselves an they've just given themselves an extra 23 seats. well hang on, that that boundaries that happens that the boundaries need to change because labour constituencies, the average was about 70,000. >> but the constituency vote and labour tories were 120,000. so it was completely legitimate and they didn't do it. civil servants carved up the new map. >> well, no, we had some say, if you remember, we had to vote on it in the house of commons. we

civil servants carved up the map in place. the relative in the first place. the relative point. stephen, i'm sorry. where in the first place. the relative poin agreeihen, i'm sorry. where in the first place. the relative poin agreeihen, my sorry. where in the first place. the relative poin agreeihen, my scthat nhere in the first place. the relative poin agreeihen, my scthat there i do agree with my is that there is huge block of people. i is a huge block of people. i wouldn't they're silent wouldn't say they're the silent majority flippin majority because they're flippin noisy for silent no. noisy for a silent no. >> going to be silent >> they're going to be silent when go ballot when they go into the ballot box. i'm saying. box. that's what i'm saying. people up their minds. people make up their minds. >> a general >> five weeks before a general election. block the election. that big block of the people read, the people who will be read, the people who will be read, the people blue and the people who'll be blue and the big chunk of people in the middle, those up for middle, and those are up for grabs. care what you grabs. i don't care what you say, is nailed on. say, it is not nailed on. i agree. as for angela rayner, yeah. neave rachel reeves yeah. rikki neave rachel reeves rachel to keep rachel reeves is going to keep an the finances. an iron grip on the finances. believe i know and believe you me, i know her and she is. she she is. >> the shadow chancellor. >> she's the shadow chancellor. yeah, don't a bank of yeah, i don't think a bank of england economist. >> going to be >> she can. she's going to be under pressure. remember under so much pressure. remember that she can the who that she can say the people who fund party, no matter that she can say the people who fund you party, no matter that she can say the people who fund you say party, no matter that she can say the people who fund you say aboutty, no matter that she can say the people who fund you say about bigio matter that she can say the people who fund you say about big business what you say about big business moving the trade moving towards them or the trade unions trade unions want unions and the trade unions want all people pay a more all that people pay a lot more money to money and somebody's got to produce she's also produce that money. she's also got out whether to go got to work out whether to go back on the 28 billion a year. on green charges, which is on the green charges, which is part policy for five part of the policy for five years, i think, of government . years, i think, of government. well, hang a second. so i

well, hang on a second. so i don't where all this money don't know where all this money is from. don't know where all this money is that from. don't know where all this money is that wasym. don't know where all this money is that was labour party policy >> that was labour party policy before trashed the before liz truss trashed the economy. when the economy. and you know, when the facts change, you change your mind. change it. mind. you've got to change it. but lot of the but look, look, a lot of the policies coming out are policies that are coming out are very but of them very sensible. but all of them are costed. not are costed, costed. they're not every single policy. >> you keep saying all these policies, what policies? all he doesis policies, what policies? all he does is rip up policies that he stood for when he became labour leader. one them leader. every single one of them has up. but only has been ripped up. but only only pledges. has been ripped up. but only onl'yeah, pledges. has been ripped up. but only onl'yeah, well, es. has been ripped up. but only onl'yeah, well, i'm sorry, >> yeah, well, i'm sorry, i can't think of what those ten. all that on the on the all i know is that on the on the green thing, inevitably all i know is that on the on the grechanges thing, inevitably all i know is that on the on the grechanges thin(but,vitably all i know is that on the on the grechanges thin(but,you3ly all i know is that on the on the grechanges thin(but, you know, he changes money. but, you know, on what is the latest position on what is the latest position on a year that on the £28 billion a year that we not spending we we're not spending £28 billion country billion because the country can't it. can't afford it. >> but he hasn't told us when this in. he this 28 billion is coming in. he said been ruled out. said it's not been ruled out. it's going to be in the second half of the parliament, which bit of the half? bit of the second half? >> mean, you can't >> who knows? i mean, you can't anticipate can't anticipate that much. you can't actually get a calendar and say said raising said not raising personal allowances was theft. >> won't he commit to >> yeah. why won't he commit to raising them? >> because he simply can't doesn't are, doesn't know what the books are, can until day you can contain until the day you take over. you have access

take over. you have these access talks mps. talks which we all did as mps. if thought the government was if we thought the government was going change, civil going to change, the civil servants give us access to servants would give us access to the papers, but some the papers, but only some of them. know the them. we do not know what the treasury like, we treasury stats are like, and we do what is in the do not know what is in the coffers until the day. >> the policy we know that >> the only policy we know that labour are committed to so far is raising tax. they're going to tax are tax private schools. there are talks , uh, profits talks about taxing, uh, profits from equities. there are also so they are also they're also moving towards new tax bands. and that sort of stuff. the only thing we know is they're going to pull up tax. they're going to tax the non—doms that will drive wealth out of the country. so the evidence of the only thing no evidence of that. no. there is the only that. no, no. there is the only thing we they're doing at that. no, no. there is the only thinmoment they're doing at that. no, no. there is the only thinmoment is they're doing at that. no, no. there is the only thinmoment is put,'re doing at that. no, no. there is the only thinmoment is put, you oing at that. no, no. there is the only thinmoment is put, you know,t the moment is put, you know, dampening economy not dampening the economy down, not making it grow because they want more taxes. >> well , the 6% of british >> well, the 6% of british children at private school. children are at private school. i you this. a 6% of i can tell you this. a 6% of british children, about a british children, about half a million private million kids go to private are lucky to private lucky enough to go to private school. thing the school. the one thing the parents of children know school. the one thing the péthere'sf children know school. the one thing the péthere's going children know school. the one thing the péthere's going to 1ildren know school. the one thing the péthere's going to be ren know is there's going to be 20% increase those fees. exactly. is there's going to be 20% increthat those fees. exactly. is there's going to be 20% increthat is those fees. exactly. is there's going to be 20% increthat is going fees. exactly. is there's going to be 20% increthat is going to as. exactly. is there's going to be 20% increthat is going to change tly. is there's going to be 20% increthat is going to change that and that is going to change that

choice option for many. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> can you honestly be the kids at eton who are pulled out of school little tiny school based on the little tiny private the election, it private school, the election, it may change election, but may not change the election, but what you is those what i can tell you is those parents are like, not parents who are like, i'm not quite sure they're going go. parents who are like, i'm not qui'actually, ey're going go. parents who are like, i'm not qui'actually, i'd'e going go. parents who are like, i'm not qui'actually, i'd'e gotol go. parents who are like, i'm not qui'actually, i'd'e goto keepo. >> actually, i'd like to keep prioritising terms prioritising education in terms of i my money. i've of how i spend my money. i've got three children. 60% got three children. that's 60% more afford it. more i can't afford it. >> all how can >> no, in all honesty, how can you justify a you possibly justify a commercial organiser in which you possibly justify a concommercialaniser in which you possibly justify a concommercial these in which you possibly justify a concommercial these privateh the commercial these private schools commercial schools are commercial organisations? on earth organisations? why on earth should they have vat tax cut should they have a vat tax cut when charities don't? i'm sorry, it's . it's just nonsense. >> the money going >> and where's the money going to provide to come from to provide the school for children? school places for the children? who can longer private who can no longer go to private schools? million schools? that's another million kids. huge cost they've kids. another huge cost they've got. they've got come up got. they've got to come up with. all know it's a tax with. and we all know it's a tax of envy. we know the private school is all about, well, school thing is all about, well, private schools are much better than absolute nominate schools. >> it's a nonsensical state schools are not as good as private schools. >> commercial or labour. >> commercial or labour. >> them? not >> want to get rid of them? not be hand out from the be getting a hand out from the taxpayer. you and i should not be for people to get a discount. >> it's not handout. it

>> it's not a handout. it provides great education provides a great education and people our successful people who go on our successful in often come from in life often come from perpetuates division society. in life often come from per it tuates division society. in life often come from per it doesn't ivision society. in life often come from perit doesn't absolutely ociety. in life often come from perit doesn't absolutely .:iety. in life often come from perit doesn't absolutely . it's'. >> it doesn't absolutely. it's envy. you had 15 envy. why have you had 15 etonian prime ministers? i'm sorry. many? sorry. you know. and how many? three. because >> because they provide >> because they actually provide very education. >> because they actually provide vendid education. >> because they actually provide vendid tonyiucation. >> because they actually provide vendid tony blair)n. >> because they actually provide vendid tony blair go batus in >> did tony blair go to batus in scotland scotland's scotland known as scotland's eton? labour eton? absolutely no labour frontbench riddled with frontbench is riddled with people who went to private schools, they're going to schools, and they're going to take that away from people. >> yeah. and other thing, >> yeah. and the other thing, of course, lot these course, is a lot of these private schools do have to. and they do well give their they do as well give their sports facilities, are sports facilities, which are often a lot better than the local, that comp. they local, not just that comp. they give them sports facilities, their theatres, swimming pool, give them sports facilities, their �*scholarships.1ming pool, give them sports facilities, their “scholarships. fr mean, yol, give them sports facilities, their �*scholarships.1r mean, it., them scholarships. i mean, it could reverberation. could be massive reverberation. >> old school, the king's >> my old school, the king's school, chester, right. the number of bursaries it now hands school, chester, right. the nun because ursaries it now hands school, chester, right. the nunbecause i'miries it now hands school, chester, right. the nunbecause i'm an; it now hands school, chester, right. the nunbecause i'm an old 10w hands school, chester, right. the nunbecause i'm an old king'snds out because i'm an old king's scholar okay. contribute scholar okay. and i contribute and some of the money i contribute through the chester cathedral fund goes to allowing children from less privileged homes to have a great education at no cost. that will have at no cost. that will all have to go , because they won't be to go, because they won't be able to afford anymore. and to go, because they won't be abl(veryifford anymore. and to go, because they won't be abl(very proud anymore. and to go, because they won't be abl(very proud to nymore. and to go, because they won't be abl(very proud to be nore. and to go, because they won't be abl(very proud to be part and i'm very proud to be part of a system that helps children from

poor have education. poor homes have great education. >> you >> in all honesty, can you imagine from imagine a couple of kids from slough turning up slough comprehensive turning up to play football at rugby at eton? would be eton? they do. it would be embarrassing. hang on. >> my school we were our team when was 1516, we went to when i was 1516, we went to millfield school , our little millfield school, our little comprehensive in swindon, and we beat them in football . beat them in football. >> fair play to eton. >> fair play to eton. >> me , i was watching because >> me, i was watching because i was no good at eton. >> we beat them. currently aiming for 40% on aiming for 40% children on bursaries and scholarships at eton. it's eton. i don't think it's necessarily the solution because they then pushed they still then get pushed through of through the sausage factory of making posh, then making them posh, and then they don't represent the don't necessarily represent the interests people interests of the people that they with. anyway, they grew up with. but anyway, should can we agree should we should we can we agree on that? we can talk on that? we can. can we talk about january, january about dry january, dry january went very wet in my house. very, very quickly, particularly last night. half bottle red night. half a bottle of red power making chicken. no power making a roast chicken. no steven, ripped off. steven, we're being ripped off. i some joy in my life. i just need some joy in my life. >> this dry gin. january >> this dry gin. january >> dry red wine. yeah. dry white wine. >> what we've got here is the supermarkets are bumping up the pnces supermarkets are bumping up the prices things. prices on non—alcoholic things. now, say here, and now, i have to say here, and i admit publicly am an

admit it publicly, i am not an expert on non—alcoholic drinks. admit it publicly, i am not an expwell, non—alcoholic drinks. admit it publicly, i am not an expwell, they've.coholic drinks. admit it publicly, i am not an expwell, they've.coholupirinks. admit it publicly, i am not an expwell, they've.coholup 22%;. admit it publicly, i am not an expwell, they've.coholup 22% in >> well, they've gone up 22% in supermarkets the start of supermarkets since the start of december of dry january. december because of dry january. people are doing people like me are doing a beverley turner is not doing well. >> that's honestly cynical . >> that's honestly cynical. isn't it? it's what i call a conscience contract. this. okay, you're a good person if you don't drink alcohol in january. first of all, i would have the trade descriptions act invoked on anything which is called non—alcoholic beer. no, you can have beer or you can have something that's not been but you can't have non—alloy been right? so let's get that straight. >> so you've got to be a vegan for one month. you've got to grow a moustache in november. you've got go. mean, it's you've got to go. i mean, it's any month sacred anymore. >> can you imagine how much worse that is going to be under laboun worse that is going to be under labour, we all have to go labour, when we all have to go around environmental, social governance and virtue signalling 7 governance and virtue signalling ? live ? hang on a second. i live in a happy keir starmer happy world with keir starmer glugged bottle of beer over a glugged a bottle of beer over a ruby murray durham. ruby murray up in durham. >> got gates of hell were opened. >> we got to go, we got to go. thatisit >> we got to go, we got to go. that is it today. up next, that is it for today. up next, sir keir starmer and rishi sunak

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from the east affecting southern areas . and we'll continue to see areas. and we'll continue to see that overnight . clear skies in that overnight. clear skies in the south leading to a widespread frost. once again. temperatures dipping to minus one or minus two celsius fairly widely . western scotland also widely. western scotland also seeing a touch of frost because of clear skies. here but elsewhere, where we've got the cloud , well, going stay cloud, well, it's going to stay frost free across parts of east wales into northern and eastern england, eastern scotland as well. fewer showers around on thursday. in fact, after1 or 2 thursday. in fact, after 1 or 2 showers, first thing mostly becomes dry by the afternoon, increasing amounts of sunshine across much of scotland. less sunshine further south and southeast with cloud increasing through the day . through the day. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on .

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are listening or watching pmqs with us. submit your questions gbviews@gbnews.com will put them to our fantastic top panel of politicians. >> but i want to know what what bev might ask. >> and andrew, you've got some opinions you express on your morning show. bev, what would you ask the prime minister? morning show. bev, what would youoh, the prime minister? morning show. bev, what would youoh, doe prime minister? morning show. bev, what would youoh, do you me minister? morning show. bev, what would youoh, do you knowinister? morning show. bev, what would youoh, do you know what r? morning show. bev, what would youoh, do you know what i think >> oh, do you know what i think i would happy to do with i would be happy to do with covid? well what? i'm going to need more than one question for that. i could do with an hour with him. you'll have a word, with him. if you'll have a word, please. have lot of please. i have a lot of questions. call questions. i will actually call him a tweet that he put him out on a tweet that he put out yesterday, and he said, i want you that of want to give you that peace of mind that from knowing we mind that comes from knowing we are brighter future are building a brighter future for children. that's what for our children. that's what i'm on. that tweet i'm working on. that tweet has been times. been seen, uh, 2 million times. and you, the and let me tell you, the comments underneath are not positive. would want to positive. so i would want to know. great. well, you've know. 510 great. well, you've shown no evidence that me shown no evidence of that to me over last three what over the last three years. what are do to improve are you going to do to improve the of our children ? the lives of our children? >> well, a tough one, >> well, that's a tough one, andrew. the moment, i would

andrew. of the moment, i would say terrific that you're finally acting post—march acting to help these post—march and why did and postmistresses. but why did it docudrama to it take a tv docudrama to galvanise the entire government machine to come up with a solution? this should have been done years ago. >> it feels like they're all now racing sort of bask in a bit racing to sort of bask in a bit of reflected glory on this issue and all say, i was there. i saved these poor people when they've been fighting this for 20 years. >> and in terms of what your question was, bev, i think actually you outlined the election dividing lines of this yean election dividing lines of this year. a prime minister saying things are getting better. yeah. and a labour response saying, what do you feel better off than you were 13 years ago? and i think in a nutshell, that's probably it, isn't it, chris? >> that's right. andrew, on your question, i think, will we hear from davey , sir ed davey from sir ed davey, sir ed davey about knighthood? he about a knighthood? will he return this post office return it over this post office scandal, apologise scandal, and will he apologise even for post office even for being post office minister ignoring alan minister and ignoring alan bates's speak to him? >> and will he even be in the chamber for the quest for prime minister's because if

minister's questions? because if he isn't, that would pretty he isn't, that would be pretty damned. yeah damned. uh shameful. mhm. yeah >> lib dems are >> normally the lib dems are quite ask questions quite keen to ask questions aren't in pmqs they get aren't they. in pmqs they get one seven but it's aren't they. in pmqs they get one not seven but it's aren't they. in pmqs they get one not to seven but it's aren't they. in pmqs they get one not to tryzn but it's aren't they. in pmqs they get one not to try and but it's aren't they. in pmqs they get one not to try and one. it's odd not to try and ask one. >> it is brilliant to see you too. there in westminster doing this gb news. gloria got the this for gb news. gloria got the red dress memo . marvellous. red dress memo. marvellous. good luck . it's going to be fabulous. luck. it's going to be fabulous. >> it might be glued to you. >> it might be glued to you. >> thanks, andrew and thanks bev. approaching midday. >> this is gb news. britain's election channel. pmqs live starts right now . so . starts right now. so. it's midday on wednesday the 10th of january. >> this is pmqs live on gb news news with gloria de piero and christopher hope. >> this is one moment rishi sunak and sir keir starmer to go

head to head up prime minister questions will have full coverage of every moment and we'll be getting full reaction from cabinet minister esther mcvey party chair mcvey and labour party chair anneliese dodds . anneliese dodds. >> so let's say welcome to you what we're going to do today, by the way, is solicit those questions from our listeners and viewers. >> gbviews@gbnews.com and just as well as do the post—match analysis, we're going to be putting our viewers and listeners questions to you . so listeners questions to you. so that's a good thing to do. a very good thing i want to hear from the public. absolutely >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you are the people's channel. so absolutely. that's it so absolutely. that's right. it is format. that's what is an open format. that's what you, uh , absolutely. uh, prime you, uh, absolutely. uh, prime minister's . uh, the, minister's questions. uh, the, uh, the horizon post office scandal saw hundreds of innocent people sent to prison , people people sent to prison, people like a former constituent of mine who went to jail for three years. >> now during this scandal, years. >> now during this scandal , the >> now during this scandal, the leader of the liberal democrats was the minister in charge of

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