is fantastic. it's a great move, but is it enough? and how has it actually been received? what else needs to happen? and also tonight a new poll is highlighting the uk's and i quote most soul destroying towns places that apparently are home to bland, boring , soul to bland, boring, soul destroying mediocrity with a gaping cultural void . blimey, is gaping cultural void. blimey, is your town on this list? we'll

take a look. but i'm asking crucially, how on earth do you think we turn towns such as this around? what does it take? also, around? what does it take? also, a new poll shows that rural voters seem to be switching to laboun voters seem to be switching to labour. what's causing that? and is the blue wall crumbling? and last but not least, sadiq khan. he has just confirmed he's going to roll out free school meals for primary school children for all primary school children in london. chef, jamie in london. the chef, jamie oliver, he's jumped on board and said that that should be extended across the whole country. should it do you want to pay for the meals for the wealthy parents? is that your job their kids job to feed their kids at school? tell me . indeed school? you tell me. indeed we'll get stuck into all of that in just a few minutes. but before we do, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's latest news headlines . tonight's latest news headlines. >> michelle. thank you. good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb newsroom

tonight is that post office workers caught up in the horizon. it scandal could have their names cleared by the end of year. postal services of this year. postal services minister kevin hollinrake said today. minister kevin hollinrake said today . new legislation to today. new legislation to exonerate subpostmasters and mistresses in england and wales will be introduced within weeks. there'll also be an up front payment of £75,000 to compensate those who were jailed or bankrupted as a result of flawed computer software, which wrongly showed money was missing. mr hollinrake also said victims will get the justice they deserve. >> i intend to bring forward legislation as soon as we can to overturn the convictions of all those convicted in england or wales on the basis of post office evidence given during the honzon office evidence given during the horizon scandal . the government horizon scandal. the government will, in the coming days, consider whether to include the small number of cases that have already been considered by the appeal court and the convictions upheld . upheld. >> well, lord arbuthnot, who is

an mp at the time of the scandal, says he's pleased with the result . the result. >> very pleased indeed . the >> very pleased indeed. the government has moved very quickly and the drama has had a galvanising effect . i quickly and the drama has had a galvanising effect. i am delighted both because it means that convictions are going to be overturned, which otherwise simply wouldn't have been. and because it looks as though there's going to be a usefully speeded up way of dealing with compensate , or as we must now compensate, or as we must now call it, redress . so compensate, or as we must now call it, redress. so i'm delighted that . delighted that. >> but one of the victims of the post office scandal, vijay parekh, told gb news more should be done. >> all the people who are involved in this get the same treatment we have had all this , treatment we have had all this, uh, convicted , uh, postmasters uh, convicted, uh, postmasters and let them feel how we felt. we've done nothing and we've been imprisoned. they have done something. so they need to be

imprisoned for the reason , what imprisoned for the reason, what they've done. well in other news, today, a joint uk us military operation has fought off the biggest ever maritime attack on international shipping in the red sea. >> the defence secretary said the royal navy's hms diamond, along with us support, successfully destroyed multiple attack drones deployed by houthi rebels attacking commercial shipping in support of hamas. grant shapps described the attacks as completely unacceptable and warned there would be further consequences . would be further consequences. >> hms diamond amongst a number of other us ships, were involved in shooting down a whole barrage of missiles and drones. hms diamond herself shot down seven drones. uh remember, this is not usual. it was over three decades until a couple of weeks ago that the royal navy had not fired anything down in anger. and we cannot have a situation where a major sea route, a major ability to move goods around the world, is being cut off by terrorists

and thugs. and we therefore must act now , if you find working act now, if you find working a bit tough , you're not on your own. >> the pressure of returning to the office after working from home is proving just too much for some. with around six working days lost each year per worker due to stress, a survey of 1000 people found that noise , of 1000 people found that noise, distractions and worries about being on show were the main causes of anxiety in the office. respondents also said their anxiety had become worse in recent months after the trend to work from home during the pandemic came to an end , and the pandemic came to an end, and the estimated cost of building the hsz estimated cost of building the hs2 rail link between london and birmingham has soared . to £66.6 birmingham has soared. to £66.6 billion. the chairman of the project, sirjohn billion. the chairman of the project, sir john thompson, told mps the increase is due to the original budget estimates being too low. poor standards of delivery and he said inflation. in 2013, hsz

delivery and he said inflation. in 2013, hs2 was estimated to cost £375 in 2013, hs2 was estimated to cost £37.5 billion and that's for the entire planned network that included the now scrapped sections from birmingham to manchester and leeds . let's manchester and leeds. let's bnng manchester and leeds. let's bring you an hour's news from the royal family and the princess royal has been abroad. she's been welcomed to sri lanka with a traditional dance display, as well as meeting members of the public as she landed in the south asian country. therewith her husband, uh , she was marking 75 years of uh, she was marking 75 years of british sri lankan diplomatic relations during her planned three day visit, the princess is due to meet the country's president as well as his first lady. she'll also be meeting local community leaders and faith groups in the capital colombo . that's the news on gb colombo. that's the news on gb news across the uk on tv , on news across the uk on tv, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's

news channel . thanks for that news channel. thanks for that poly news channel. thanks for that poly and michelle dewberry and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight. >> right. this is dewbs& co. i always listen to these headlines and sometimes i think i just need to make a show on its own. just reaction. we could do like gogglebox reaction to the news headlines, because don't mean headlines, because i don't mean to mental health to undermine mental health issues or anything like that. i certainly do not. do indeed certainly do not. i do indeed take them seriously, i take them seriously, but when i hear going off hear things like we're going off with stress, yes, because we've got about show got anxiety about being on show in honestly it makes in the office. honestly it makes me cringe and can't me cringe inside and i can't help it. sit here and i think help it. i sit here and i think how pathetic are we becoming as a honestly, a nation? honestly, try and answer question me. answer that question for me. fascinated you think fascinated to what you think about that. anyway, i'm with you till 7:00 alongside me. we've got show. we got a new face to this show. we like don't we? former like those, don't we? former brexit party mep anunciata rees—mogg her, the rees—mogg and alongside her, the political commentator matt stadlen. evening, good evening. >> it's really interesting that story . story about stress. >> i think it's pathetic. different things trigger

different people. >> i can come on these sorts of shows. i feel any stress shows. i don't feel any stress or anxiety, but during the pandemic, just this thing pandemic, i just had this thing where worried i was going where i was worried i was going to give it to to catch covid and give it to someone else, and that made going into the studio where i was working really difficult. >> that's not though, was working really difficult. >:it? that's not though, was working really difficult. >:it? this not though, was working really difficult. >:it? this people though, was working really difficult. >:it? this people nowmugh, was working really difficult. >:it? this people now thatl, is it? this is people now that are sat at home their pyjamas are sat at home in their pyjamas having a fantastic time, that are sat at home in their pyjamas havin now :antastic time, that are sat at home in their pyjamas havin now realised time, that are sat at home in their pyjamas havin now realised they've at are sat at home in their pyjamas havin now realised they've got to have now realised they've got to get dressed, brush their hair, go there now getting go out there now getting anxiety. i'm sure quoting anxiety. i'm sure i'm quoting what correctly about what polly said correctly about being an office, being unsure in an office, i think. we creating more think. are we just creating more stressful ready for stressful to get ready for a zoom than i do coming out zoom call than i do coming out in person, where you see in person, where you can see a human being and interact like a normal person. we are creating a nafion normal person. we are creating a nation of wet wipes. mark my words one ladies and words on that one ladies and gents. we can't handle words on that one ladies and gents. looking we can't handle words on that one ladies and gents. looking at'e can't handle words on that one ladies and gents. looking at you n't handle words on that one ladies and gents. looking at you n'tan ndle people looking at you in an office. how on earth do you think you're going to on in think you're going to get on in the world anyway? i've got so much i to talk to you guys much i need to talk to you guys about. you are so in touch with me about post office me already about the post office scandal. of the day. gb scandal. big news of the day. gb views at gb news. com get hold of me that way. email me if you

want. or tweet gb news. of me that way. email me if you wan anyway, tweet gb news. of me that way. email me if you wan anyway, bigeet gb news. of me that way. email me if you wan anyway, big news gb news. of me that way. email me if you wan anyway, big news post news. but anyway, big news post office scandal rishi sunak first pmqs of the year. let's get straight in. did he have to say today? >>i today? >> ican today? >> i can announce that we will introduce new primary legislation sure that legislation to make sure that those as a of those convicted as a result of the swiftly the horizon scandal are swiftly exonerated and compensated . exonerated and compensated. yeah, we will also introduce a new upfront payment of £75,000 for the vital glow group of postmasters. we will make sure that the truth comes to light. we right the wrongs of the past and the victims get the justice they deserve. yeah yeah. >> fascinating stuff. well, let's go live to our political edhon let's go live to our political editor, christopher hope, then, because devil this stuff because the devil in this stuff is the detail. is always in the detail. christopher. good evening to you. i love the view that you've got there. absolutely lovely. uh, get straight into this uh, let's get straight into this honzon uh, let's get straight into this horizon one, then. was this? horizon one, then. how was this? what sunak , uh, has said what rishi sunak, uh, has said been received . and then i want been received. and then i want you to try and explain exactly been received. and then i want you tittry and explain exactly been received. and then i want you tit is and explain exactly been received. and then i want you tit is that explain exactly been received. and then i want you tit is that is plain exactly been received. and then i want you tit is that is proposingtly been received. and then i want you tit is that is proposing .y what it is that is proposing. >> it's a rare bit of good news for this prime minister he's got

ahead of where this story was going, and he's dealt with it pretty quickly. of course, this the issue of the subpostmasters was put into some relief and stark relief at that by this, this, this drama on itv last week mr bates versus the post office . the big problem the office. the big problem the government had is they were hoping to respond to the to the scandal once this inquiry ongoing for many years now had concluded. but michelle, who was meant to conclude back in 2022 and now it's 2024, and i think, frankly , our outrage about what frankly, our outrage about what happened to subpostmasters just bubbled up and has just gone straight through the front door and back door out and out the back door and out the front door. this inquiry and almost left that back the almost left that back in the siding. happening now siding. so what's happening now is is going to is the government is going to put forward a bill, a law in coming which will expunge coming weeks which will expunge the of . 980 subpost the convictions of. 980 subpost masters . um, currently they've masters. um, currently they've been going through individually, each one and just 1 in 10 of

those 93 have been overturned. and so far the government is coughing up more money £75,000 each. so far, 148 million has been paid out, but i would add to that 150 million more has been paid out to lawyers, not to the victims . that's a different the victims. that's a different conversation, but that is shocking to me. for me, this shocking to me. but for me, this is a plague on all all the all the houses of politicians and officials, labour government brought in the horizon uh computer system with fujitsu . computer system with fujitsu. fujitsu itself has questions to answer. the tory government, the lib dems , who were the post lib dems, who were the post office ministers back in 2012 to 2010, 2012. sir ed davey got a knight of the course for services to politics and public service. i haven't seen the anger about this in the emails we're receiving at gb news. it's akin it's similar to the expenses scandal, which i worked for worked on for the telegraph back in 2009. people are furious about it. they see officials as ministers ignoring people,

believing computers over a, um, upstanding members of the local community. so postmasters, it's appalling . i think it's a plague appalling. i think it's a plague on all their houses. and what you're seeing is politicians desperately clawing over the way towards some form of life raft before they get overtaken by events . events. >> i just, events. >> ijust, i events. >> i just, i just want to be clear on some of these numbers. right. so this £75,000 and um, is this just kind of an interim , is this just kind of an interim, you know, we're going to pass this to you because the other figure that's been bandied around a lot is £600,000. and i also saw one of the reactions the lady called jo hackers, of course , featured quite heavily course, featured quite heavily in the drama. she was basically getting in touch, saying that 75 grand won't cover the grand won't even cover the interest the money that's, interest on the money that's, uh, basically people have paid out to the post office. so she wasn't very happy about it. so just give a bit of clarity if just give us a bit of clarity if you can, on those figures. >> these are starting payments and what will happen when they work individual, uh, how work out individual, uh, how

much individual gets if much each individual gets if you're able to work, if you're a younger person, michelle. and younger person, michelle. and you your career prospects you found your career prospects wrecked conviction that wrecked by a conviction that shouldn't have been given out, then claim of then you can claim loss of earnings, which can quickly multiply up a big number. if multiply up to a big number. if you're person, you you're an older person, you might less terms of might get less in terms of compensation. i think compensation. so i think £600,000 is an average of what might go out, and 75,000 is a down payment on a bigger number in the future. >> yeah. because i mean, you know, i've very quickly whilst i'm talking, listening uh, just trying do a brief set of trying to do a brief set of maths. and if you're saying about people, 75 grand, about 900 people, 75 grand, that's to be about almost that's going to be about almost £68 it? unless £68 million, isn't it? unless i've those i've really hashed those figures, is always, uh, figures, which is always, uh, plausible on national television. but we of course , television. but we of course, the taxpayers, us on the the taxpayers, it's us on the hook this, isn't it? the taxpayers, it's us on the hook this, isn't it ? well it hook for this, isn't it? well it is presently. >> now there is calls for fujitsu, which is a very rich company, an it company, to bear some of some of this and certainly if this inquiry finds out that fujitsu was at fault and should have dealt with this earlier and supported ministers

in dealing with it earlier, it may be that they are held to account now asked number account now. i've asked number 10 this week for gb news why they just ban fujitsu from they can't just ban fujitsu from getting further government getting any further government contracts they said the sorted out. they said the problem they've that problem they've got is that fujitsu involved in fujitsu is heavily involved in other parts of government to and remove infrastructure remove them from infrastructure in public private life would damage public so damage other public services. so they're on the hook slightly with fujitsu. the government is hooked together with them, but i think will be reckoning think there will be a reckoning for there for post office for people there for post office staff and the rest, and also for ministers and officials when this inquiry reports. but the first instance is deal with these people who had their lives ruined, unfair early, wrongly these people who had their lives rui this unfair early, wrongly these people who had their lives rui this scandalearly, wrongly these people who had their lives rui this scandal .arly, wrongly by this scandal. >> well, fascinating stuff. isn't it? but for now, christopher hope, thank you very much. annunciato. i'll start with you on this one. i mean, i've been doing this job for two years. whatever i don't think i've ever remembered a story that has captured, i mean, literally my inbox before i've even on air. it is full of even gone on air. it is full of people getting in touch about this it has been

this topic. it has been literally every day since this program aired. but do you program aired. but why do you think it's taken like a docu drama in order to bring this to this level of interest ? because this level of interest? because people have known about this for years as the media, i mean, the media, the media have, and even local communities have. >> i remember one of my local villages , the subpostmaster, is villages, the subpostmaster, is one of the people who was convicted and he pled guilty because he was told he would, with a legal aid lawyer, have no chance of going up against such a respected organisation as the post office. so he just fessed up . although he had done nothing up. although he had done nothing wrong and was left tens of thousands of pounds out of pocket and it was in lockdown or part of the way through covid that it came out that he was completely exonerated. he was one of the first of the groups to be found, not to be at fault, and his conviction has been overturned and the local facebook pages were full of outpourings of how bad are we that we judged him. we had no

knowledge that he was innocent . knowledge that he was innocent. we assumed that the court process had been fair and that he had swindled people's pensions , and the village turned pensions, and the village turned against him and they feel that guilt as well. this touches communities up and down the country. >> well, the mistrust went everywhere because a lot of subpostmasters, someone got in touch with my show the other day and he worked in the shop and he was telling us this show that the subpostmaster basically he tookit the subpostmaster basically he took it out on all the staff . took it out on all the staff. that's subpostmaster believed that it must have been one of those staff members that was nicking money from the till or wherever. so this distrust was everywhere that you looked. and why not be? because why would it not be? because you're the you're being gaslit all the time. the only one, time. you're the only one, you're the only one, it's you're the only one, and it's just that's bit that i don't just that's the bit that i don't understand. so many people involved in this, matt. everyone understand. so many people involvthati this, matt. everyone understand. so many people involvthat that ., matt. everyone understand. so many people involvthat that wasn't everyone understand. so many people involvthat that wasn't the ryone understand. so many people involvthat that wasn't the only; knew that that wasn't the only one. so how did that message continuously to continuously get reinforced to these people over and over again ? >> 7- >> that 7 >> that points about gaslighting, which is a word we use lot these days, is a

use a lot these days, is a really good i think it's really good one. i think it's a tragic story, but it's also a scandalous story , and it's scandalous story, and it's a cruel story, partly for the reason you just highlighted it. i think it is really important your question about why it's taken an itv drama, really to capture the imagination of the public? i mean, that's obvious in a sense, because so many people have watched the drama. but why it taken a drama to but why has it taken a drama to get sunak and the get rishi sunak and the government? and say the same government? and i'd say the same if was currently if keir starmer was currently prime why taken prime minister why has it taken a drama to get this sort of primary legislation taken up and about? and i think it's so key that because we know how our media cycle works next week, it will probably be a different story. we'll have moved on. it is essential that journalists follow this up so this follow this up so that this primary legislation that has been promised actually happens and swiftly , so that and happens swiftly, so that sunak doesn't just get away with a headline, if that's what it is. yeah >> you see, after the break, i want to just pick back up briefly on this story because i want to just ask you guys at home, this is the

home, do you think this is the right solution? then this emergency law basically to exonerate everybody, including in to say it, but in there? i hate to say it, but there be perhaps some there will be perhaps some people actually were people that actually were fiddling books very small fiddling the books very small number people, i'm number amount of people, i'm sure, basically off sure, but basically everyone off the that the right the hook is that the right blanket approach? is very blanket approach? this is very unprecedented. um, will we see perhaps of approach perhaps this kind of approach now becoming commonplace? there's scandals there's loads of, um, scandals on horizon , aren't they? on the horizon, aren't they? pardon the pun. and if you want to do docudramas, perhaps you might want to look into vaccine injured women. i can injured or waspi women. i can come up with quite a few different topics. if there's any documentary makers watching this programme. the break, i programme. after the break, i will bring in lots of your thoughts. really are getting thoughts. you really are getting in this one, but i want in touch on this one, but i want to also speak to you about the top ten most depressing towns or cities that you live in the cities that you live in in the uk. list is out now showing uk. a list is out now showing that we'll share it that top ten. we'll share it with you see var places on there. be on there and there. should it be on there and it more importantly, it isn't. and more importantly, how do we fix these how on earth do we fix these towns and cities? i'll see you in two.

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listening to gb news radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven here on dewbs& co with me tonight. >> the former brexit party mep anunciata rees—mogg and the political commentator matt stadler , an r alongside me. we stadler, an r alongside me. we opened the programme talking about the post office horizon system . matt, you said you system. matt, you said you wanted to come back and make a point about the it element. >> yeah, just christopher hope was saying and i think it was a really important point that he was making, that politicians and people cannot people in authority cannot simply computer simply just believe a computer system over human beings. >> that's one of the things that has asked of sir ed davey, has been asked of sir ed davey, leader of the liberal democrats, because he had correspondence, didn't he, with bates? mr didn't he, with mr bates? mr bates actually seem to bates doesn't actually seem to be angry, does he? with ed davey , because he feels that there was lot of people who were was a lot of people who were responsible at the time. but this is moving forward essential, because if you think about of the nhs, that's about reform of the nhs, that's going likely involve huge

going to likely involve huge changes with computer systems . changes with computer systems. and if computer systems mess up, as they can do , that could cost as they can do, that could cost lives in their droves. i think you're absolutely right. >> the biggest question facing ed davey is why did he actually believe that suddenly 700 of the most upstanding members of communities across the country had turned into criminals overnight ? and it was the unlike overnight? and it was the unlike timeliness of that happening that should have made him ask the questions about the reliability of the it. but as you say, as we're moving into an ai world and the medical influence that will have this could have really. >> and you remember the little britain sketch. you know, the computer says no, no, you don't put me on the spot, michelle, you brought it up. you're back to remember. oh, computer says no. that sort of thing. and it's scary . six out no. that sort of thing. and it's scary. six out of ten it is scary. six out of ten it is scary though. and as you say, we're in an ai world and computer systems are integral to the way government is run. >> yeah, but you know what? we get it right. you all know this.

i'm like a stuck record. my background is it? i did use to deploy large systems and i would say and i think we'll see this i think it'll all come out in the wash as people that wash as people say, that actually it was people. people knew that system was doing knew that that system was doing things way. people things in a certain way. people will been burnished up will have been burnished up to the eyeballs, incentive to the eyeballs, incentive up to the eyeballs, incentive up to the say that horizon the eyeballs to say that horizon was delivered successfully so that personally that they themselves personally benefited think we'll benefited from it. i think we'll see of that. and also what see a lot of that. and also what i found fascinating when it comes it, when you look at comes to it, when you look at the track record of the public sector delivering and sector in delivering and deploying systems deploying new it systems is farcical. and when you're bored, go the nhs. one of go and google the nhs. one of the the biggest, the biggest, if not the biggest, it when comes to it it failure when it comes to it roll was the nhs last roll outs was the nhs last calculation was it was £10 billion plus that it's cost you, me and every. i'm not saying the human beings weren't lying about this. >> i'm just saying that computer systems are not infallible . systems are not infallible. >> this is very true. um many people are highlighting paula vennells. we've spoken about her. a her. she's handing it back a cbe. um they're saying she was connected to the church. well, she's connected to the church.

many people saying. how could she long? uh, she have gone for so long? uh, holding that cbe, uh, holding on to that cbe, uh, given the values of the church, many raise that you did many people raise that you did the same yesterday as well . the same yesterday as well. darren the people that knew darren says the people that knew about should about the software book should stand deceit and stand trial for their deceit and severe incompetence . one of severe incompetence. one of those system architects you might be familiar with, he's asked immunity from asked for immunity from prosecution he gives any prosecution before he gives any evidence to the public inquiry. what do make to that one? what do you make to that one? uh, me talk to you about the uh, let me talk to you about the place where you live. um, is it one of the most depressing towns or cities? there's or cities? because there's a pole. it's a live pole running as speak. there is listing as we speak. there is listing those top ten places. have those top ten places. let's have a look at those places , shall a look at those places, shall we? see whether or not you live there or whether or not actually, you're sitting there thinking, yeah, my place is really depressing and not really depressing and it's not on it not on on the list. why is it not on the list? let's bring that list up and have a little look at it. uh, the place that is uh, the top place that is apparently really depressing in the uk is peterborough. uh, number do number two. and okay, i do confess, don't quite know how confess, i don't quite know how to pronounce one properly,

confess, i don't quite know how to pi'll)unce one properly, confess, i don't quite know how to pi'll have one properly, confess, i don't quite know how to pi'll have bash.a properly, confess, i don't quite know how to pi'll have bash. iproperly, confess, i don't quite know how to pi'll have bash. i thinkrly, but i'll have a bash. i think it's medium steed. is it in the isle wight? if live isle of wight? if you live there, i'm sure you'll tell me if i've got it wrong. uh, three aberdeen. uh, four. uh, paignton. when i looked at the paignton um, website, the tourist website, it describes itself brightest itself as one of the brightest jewels in english. riviera's crown make that what you crown make of that what you will. ealing mead, will. swindon, ealing mead, yeovil, , uh, yeovil, tiverton, uh, basingstoke and wells in somerset . is basingstoke and wells in somerset. is your basingstoke and wells in somerset . is your place basingstoke and wells in somerset. is your place on there? do you think it should be on there and not, uh, my key point here is how do we fix these kind of places? i'm not going to get involved in whether or not they're depressing. you know, i'll let guys fight know, i'll let you guys fight that out. but every town run that out. but every town is run down depressing the rest down depressing and all the rest of do we fix it? of it. how do we fix it? >> i think there are huge challenges. i do dispute that wells is of the most wells is one of the most depressing places. i think it's wells is one of the most dep|ofsing places. i think it's wells is one of the most dep|of the places. i think it's wells is one of the most dep|of the most s. i think it's wells is one of the most dep|of the most beautiful, t's wells is one of the most dep|of the most beautiful, very one of the most beautiful, very small cities in the country. uh, being born but being a somerset born girl. but i think we need to reinvigorate our town centres, that there has been depletion been a complete depletion for a huge swathe of reasons, from deterring cars and parking to a

lot of rebuilding and works to change of uses to people having out of town centres to go to, to the incredibly high business rates that are related to the value of the property. and obviously a central location is worth more. the whole system needs reforming because from needs reforming because in from my perspective, at the end of the day, we are humans. we rely on social interaction. and if you are doing all your shopping, all your , uh, goods and services all your, uh, goods and services purely online, you are not meeting other people. and that is hugely damaging. damaging particularly for the youngest and the oldest generations who are isolated. >> yeah, and for older people, meeting people in a town square or the village square is i would have thought it really, really important. i give you one example of a very small town on the welsh borders where i've been going for holidays since i was a little boy, and it really has changed over the years . they has changed over the years. they used to be a blacksmith. you know. they used to be a

shoesmith, a cobbler. they used to be two butchers. in the middle of this town slash village, a post office, a farm, everything. there are still 1 or 2 businesses in the town centre , 2 businesses in the town centre, but because local but because the local supermarket , which but because the local supermarket, which is a good supermarket, which is a good supermarket, moved just to the fringes, dragged business fringes, it dragged business away from that centre and i think that's really difficult for people living there. i mean, in my area in london, we've got a thriving high street after thriving high street, but we've also got massive westfield also got a massive westfield around the corner. and i would far rather be in a thriving high street, moving from shop to shop , people, recognising , meeting people, recognising people , then crammed together in people, then crammed together in this massive sort of mecca of shopping. >> let me show you if i can, whilst we're talking, one of our panellists, our ambassador bannau, put um, a video on bannau, he put um, a video on his twitter. i think it was the other day . um, and his twitter. i think it was the other day. um, and i'm just going to play it for you whilst we are talking. i'm showing it now. this is in waterloo , now. this is in waterloo, liouville in hampshire. i mean, i don't mean to be rude to anyone that loves that it lives there, but look at the state of

this. if you're listening, not watching, i will describe it. it's absolutely decimated. it's an absolutely decimated. it's an absolutely decimated. it's type thing. it's like a precinct type thing. it's like a precinct type thing. i call looks like i would call it. it looks like it's in the city centre. it is just boarded up shop after boarded up shop after empty shop . you've got a charity shop bungedin . you've got a charity shop bunged in the middle of that. it's absolute dead. why would anyone go there? >> so i think i looked at that thread when your producer sent it to me and i think an explanation is that there is this big shopping mall just round or not far from round the corner or not far from there, and that has dragged custom away from that particular centre which many centre, which are for many people, far more convenient that a lot our towns now barely a lot of our towns now barely have a bus service . have a bus service. >> you can't park in my local town. free parking town. you get to free parking for half an hour. well, if you want to go the greengrocer, want to go to the greengrocer, the that we're lucky the butcher that we're lucky enough to still have, you can't actually do your shopping before your they do have your cars due. and they do have people and you will people checking, and you will get done. and i think we've really reinvigorate by really got to reinvigorate by letting get there to letting people get there to spend in them not feel spend time in them to not feel rushed. so councils have role,

rushed. so councils have a role, then have a massive then councils have a massive role definitely part of that role and definitely part of that is the business rates. and i think there should be an encouragement businesses encouragement for new businesses to that to start up that our greengrocers only opened two weeks christmas. young weeks before christmas. young guy idea, took on a shop, guy had an idea, took on a shop, um, be able to afford um, but won't be able to afford the rates on going. >> you see that video that i just shared? i think someone on the council needs to be on the hook for that. because if i think about hull, you used to have this big well, you've still got to have the got it. you used to have the shopping centre princess shopping centre called princess quay, one end of town. quay, which is one end of town. it's like more towards it's kind of like more towards the of town. they the old end of town. then they opened stephen's opened this saint stephen's shopping centre right at the other town. so already other side of town. so already you're the footfall you're dividing the footfall now literally completely literally between completely different ends of the town. then you old thing called you had this old thing called the centre, which the prospect centre, which was kind of in the middle, but not and i think me as a customer, it's you've taken fee, it's like you've taken the fee, you've taken custom away, you've taken the custom away, whereas what you should have you've taken the custom away, whereis. what you should have you've taken the custom away, whereis tried: you should have you've taken the custom away, whereis tried to>u should have you've taken the custom away, whereis tried to centralisehave you've taken the custom away, whereis tried to centralise itve done is tried to centralise it around that we've around like this hub that we've got the screen now. you got on the screen now. you should have built your new centre in around that centre in and around that proximity and then you've got

everything together, all the footfall together. and i used to grow up we used to say we're grow up and we used to say we're going down and it was only going down road and it was only a certain road and a certain kind of road and i guess we'd call it high street today. and i went down said road the day in hull, and it's the other day in hull, and it's completely like i completely nothing like i remember it's a polish remember it. it's a polish butcher, halal meat, um, butcher, a halal meat, um, thing. like a god knows thing. uh, like a god only knows what, um, kind of what, uh, vegetable, um, kind of shop was just completely shop that it was just completely different to what i remember growing up in as a child. >> and that was sort of the point i was making about this welsh town, because you just take the spar shop 100, 200 yards down the road . and that yards down the road. and that tiny what we think of as a tiny difference has sucked something of the soul out of the heart of that town. it's still a great town, but it's different. >> people go for different >> also, people go for different experiences, different things. and if every high street has exactly the same chains , all exactly the same chains, all national, all anonymous , big national, all anonymous, big companies , they don't have the companies, they don't have the attraction to go and find something unusual, a nice present for someone . you present for someone. you literally do your basics and you

find the nice stuff on etsy. >> we haven't talked about digital buying as part of this, but that's inevitably one of the causes, isn't it? and we're responsible, all of us, or a lot of because i think 35% of of us, because i think 35% of retail, something like that of our of shopping done our sort of shopping is done online. and if we're going to if we're down that we're going to go down that route if we're going to be route and if we're going to be lazy, not everyone can get out and but those of us who and about. but those of us who can, we're going be lazy, can, if we're going to be lazy, we partly culpable. we are partly culpable. >> our local >> one of our local supermarkets, still have >> one of our local sup tills rkets, still have >> one of our local sup tills open. still have >> one of our local sup tills open. anotherl have >> one of our local sup tills open. another one, e the tills open. another one, they've just reopened the tills. they've got of self—service they've got rid of self—service because there's an older because because there's an older population that be the population and that might be the only person they speak to that day. if lose our town day. if we lose our town centres, who do those people talk to? >> let me gum-- em“ >> now, let me ask you this though, because all kind of though, because we all kind of lament demise of the high lament the demise of the high street, don't we? myself included. then included. sometimes but then if i when was the i ask you honestly, when was the last time you actually did your shopping or of it online? shopping or parts of it online? um, i don't know if it's just something simple like, uh, your amazon , do you go to the amazon, do you still go to the high street? do you? are you one

of those people that goes to the high street? you almost use it as like shop window. so you'll as like a shop window. so you'll go check your go you'll check out your purchase or whatever it is, and then you'll go and you'll then you'll go home and you'll try online and find the try and go online and find the best possible price for you to buy stuff. are you one of buy your stuff. are you one of those? get in touch and tell me, uh, lots of you guys getting in touch this webmasters touch again. this webmasters poster. sub—postmaster poster. uh sub—postmaster story. lots touch on lots of you getting in touch on that, says. michelle that, stephen says. michelle in marmande. that, stephen says. michelle in marman(the mafia and the people between the mafia and the people responsible for essentially, uh, holding to subpostmasters holding a gun to subpostmasters heads that heads to confess something that they he it's they didn't do. he says it's absolutely unbelievable. heidi says, live near yeovil , says, well, i live near yeovil, michelle, and like many towns in this area, most of the town centres are empty. you also centres are empty. but you also tell me that you can't even park. you're saying for more than 30 minutes without paying an fortune. so yes, she an absolute fortune. so yes, she says does shop online. says she does shop online. >> um, the yeovil's on this list by the way. >> it is, it is. and this is a live list. so you can go to i think it's called, uh, i live here co.uk and you can vote if you want a vote. um, who's this?

k k says i just want to say that if these are the top ten depressing towns, then all i can say is that whoever's chosen these towns, whenever whoever's chosen these towns have clearly never doncaster, she never been to doncaster, she says. kay, who is says. regards from kay, who is a depressed donelan resident . she depressed donelan resident. she says, your town on that list says, was your town on that list 7 says, was your town on that list ? uh, are you like kay and think yours wasn't? but it should have been. in touch and tell me been. get in touch and tell me i'll more of your thoughts i'll have more of your thoughts in i want to in just a second. but i want to ask you, do you think you should pay ask you, do you think you should pay for the school meals all pay for the school meals of all children, of how children, irrespective of how wealthy are ? that wealthy their parents are? that is also i to is a suggestion. also i want to ask you well, is the blue ask you as well, is the blue wall crumbling? lots of rural voters now apparently turning to laboun voters now apparently turning to labour. tell me

radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with useful 7:00 alongside me, former brexit party mep annunziata rees—mogg and the political commentator matt stadlen. barry says

michelle, please can you not stop talking about empty shops? you're going to give rishi sunak ideas. he'll have them full of people crossing the channel in a in a nanosecond. stop with the ideas that got cut from matthew stanley. he didn't like that one. barry i can you now. one. barry i can tell you now. uh, anne says michelle, please, can you add cambridge to the uh, anne says michelle, please, can of u add cambridge to the uh, anne says michelle, please, can of depressing)ridge to the uh, anne says michelle, please, can of depressing cities?:o the list of depressing cities? really i think it's really quite nice there. uh, anyway, let's talk politics, we? because nice there. uh, anyway, let's tépoll)litics, we? because nice there. uh, anyway, let's tépoll apparently we? because nice there. uh, anyway, let's tépoll apparently has? because nice there. uh, anyway, let's tépoll apparently has put,:ause nice there. uh, anyway, let's tépoll apparently has put, uh,.e a poll apparently has put, uh, labour four points ahead in the countryside after promises apparently to support farmers and tackle sewage spills, etc. uh, let's cut straight to the chase on this. do you think kind of rural communities are indeed , of rural communities are indeed, uh, turning their backs on tory? >> i think they might well be turning their backs on the conservative party i don't think they're moving labour. i have they're moving to labour. i have not a conversation with not had a conversation with anyone in the countryside where i live all the time, where they've suddenly gone. i think keir starmer's labour party are amazing want support amazing and i want to support them . i think this poll is just them. i think this poll is just a bit suspect and it has

a little bit suspect and it has been reported in the national print press, but it's by a think tank founded by rachel reeves wes streeting lisa nandy, jon cruddas . labour together are who cruddas. labour together are who have decided to rescue the labour party post the 2019 election probably have a bit of an agenda and i think labour is trying to show themselves to be more attractive in the countryside than they actually necessarily are. >> oh, let's just take the poll at face for value a moment. >> first of all, i don't think it means that labour are popular in the countryside, just less unpopular than the conservatives. but it's a fascinating, if true, because we all remember, don't we, that tony blair took on the countryside alliance in the early of early years of early days of his early years of his on a fox his administration on a fox hunting and all rest of it. hunting and all the rest of it. so if people in the countryside are thinking voting labour, are thinking of voting labour, that bad for the that is really bad news for the conservatives because this is part of their blue wall, isn't it? >> it is the blue wall. and tony blair did win a majority in the countryside both and 2001,

countryside in both 97 and 2001, and it had changed by 2005. there is no no feeling of that in the conservative constituency. i live in all the one i'm moving to because they're changing the boundaries around me and the people are really fed up with. the tories don't they're representing don't feel they're representing them, but they're turning to reform, think is a great reform, which i think is a great shame because it's to shame because it's going to split vote on the right and split the vote on the right and possibly let's labour sneak in without their growing without their vote. growing >> challenge that, >> let me challenge that, though, i think this is though, because i think this is really egotistical notion, right, politics that people's right, in politics that people's votes to either votes somehow belong to either labour or the tory. and if a new party has the audacity to pop up, then what you always hear is, they're to split is, oh, they're going to split the hand labour these the vote and hand labour these votes don't belong to the tories. and therefore, how dare you likewise, by you come in? and likewise, by the for labour, michel, the way, for labour, michel, i think you raised a really think you have raised a really important point. >> one of the things >> i think one of the things thatis >> i think one of the things that is happening is that the conservatives fallen into conservatives have fallen into the as labour in the same trap as labour did in the same trap as labour did in the red wall, and as the snp did in scotland, and labour before

them in scotland , and whereby them in scotland, and whereby you ignore your core support voters, you think you're as a party, more important than them, and you know better than them, and you know better than them, and you know better than them, and you get hollowed out from within and you're core base deserts. you and the conservatives need to listen to their membership and their core vote more, not less . vote more, not less. >> well, if they did, yeah, but if they'd done that, rishi sunak wouldn't be the prime minister, wouldn't be the prime minister, would but then open up a would they? but then i open up a whole different can of worms on that one, i'm sure. matt. yeah just it's worth just i think it's worth remembering whenever we talk about this upcoming election, that the that labour has to that the hill that labour has to climb just a majority of one. >> it has to achieve a bigger swing tony blair achieved swing than tony blair achieved in this is not a foregone in 1997. this is not a foregone conclusion . in every vote conclusion. in every vote matters . so i think you're matters. so i think you're right, michel. both both main parties have to scrap as hard as they can in the countryside and in, in the towns. it's also important to say that i think voter apathy from the tories could play a huge part, as could

reform , i think. i think richard reform, i think. i think richard tice will take some votes away from the tories, and that could help keir starmer significantly . help keir starmer significantly. but voter apathy is important because if tories don't turn out labour doesn't have to be widely popular in order to win. and actually blair has achieved a great tranche of his success in that massive landslide victory that massive landslide victory that we're talking about in 1997. not necessarily so much because labour people were pounng because labour people were pouring out enthusiastically as we might think of, but actually because tories were fed up with 18 years of conservative administration . administration. >> and we're now on 14 years and we hear it day in and day out. what have they done? i think the tories really need to turn things around very quickly to make sure that huge majority doesn't go labour's way , but i doesn't go labour's way, but i think the really positive thing about this is they really do have to fight for every vote. both parties, the mps and the candidates are going to have to listen to the voters. carol says michelle, tories are losing the farming votes as they've taken

away our basic payment away our basic farm payment and replaced it with far inferior payments, which are doing nothing wildlife. nothing for wildlife. >> are we hill >> she says. how are we hill farmers supposed to live? uh, and how is the well, and basically how is the well, it's quite a long email, but long story short, she is a farmer or she certainly has farmers within her family and she's saying that the tories have lost their support. and i perhaps suggest that there's more that, you know , like more that, you know, like yourself. carol, get in touch and tell me more if you want. after the break, i want to talk to you about school, children. uh, who pay for their uh, who should pay for their school i'm not just school meals? and i'm not just talking the people. uh, talking about the people. uh, perhaps lowest income in perhaps the lowest income in society. i'm talking all children. now there's children. because now there's proposals all of them have proposals that all of them have free school meals, should they or .

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alongside me, i've got the former brexit party mep and alok sharma rees—mogg and the political commentator matthew stadlen. let's talk , shall we? stadlen. let's talk, shall we? free school meals for all pupils in the land in london. sadiq khan. he is now confirmed that the policy that he created for all primary school pupils in london to have free lunches, thatis london to have free lunches, that is now going to be extended to 2024, 2025, jamie oliver i mean, i've got to say, sadiq khan celebrated this. he put a nice tweet out celebrating it and seconds laterjeremy oliver, and seconds later jeremy oliver, uh, got on board saying , yes, uh, got on board saying, yes, this is all great. and all the rest of it, but actually it should be extended nationwide. all school kids in the uk, free school, free school meals. i've got say such thing as got to say no such thing as a free lunch. so what we mean is taxpayers paying for taxpayers was paying for everyone children for to everyone else's children for to have meals for free, have their meals for free, including the wealthy. where are you on this? and akshata never before in my life have i found myself agreeing with jamie oliver and sadiq khan . oliver and sadiq khan. >> wow. first thing for

everything. >> quite quite a surprise to me, but i don't think it should be secondary school pupils. but primary school pupils? i think it should not be stigmatised. it should not be means tested, but one good meal a day should be provided that head teachers up and down the country have mentioned problems with children's concentration because they are not having decent food before school and then if they don't get it during school, that gets in that a failure of parents. >> if you can't be bothered to give your own child breakfast before he or she leaves the house, then i mean, come on, there are huge failures. >> from the parental side . >> um, from the parental side. uh, schools still have uh, but schools still have a duty to teach, and they need the children to be teachable. and i think it is. it's always costly to impose a means test that that's an extra administrative burden on the school . burden on the school. >> uh, i mean, extra costs reduce looses the ability to bulk buy me and my five year old has free school meals because in her school, the policy is any

child under seven. >> um, so reception years one and two, they get free school meals, they get a hot meal in the middle of the day. and i think that's a great start. >> i think good for sadiq khan. if we're not going to invest in our children, who are we going to invest in? to my slight shame, because i went to a private school, i never really thought just took thought about this. i just took my school meals for granted. and actually the idea is that you get lots lots of kids get lots and lots of kids outside not a outside of london not getting a free school meal, not getting that sort of nutritional boost, which should be a basic thing to their day. i find rather their school day. i find rather horrifying, and i hope that this is extended much more broadly outside on this outside the capital on this issue of whether we whether we as taxpayers should be funding ficher as taxpayers should be funding richer kid's meals at state schools. i have to say, i agree with you and incierta, because you don't want poorer kids to be stigmatised. you don't want some kids to say, please, can kids to have to say, please, can i my school while i have my free school meal while the don't? yeah, but the others don't? yeah, but i mean, i think that's much harder at the secondary school level

where tend to have canteen where they tend to have canteen style can choose style and you can choose x or y, and if you're the free school and if you're on the free school meals, that will be more limited. >> but also don't underestimate how how low income so many how poor, how low income so many people are in this country and cost crisis school meals. >> i don't want any just for the i don't though they don't lots of people here in this thing that jamie oliver released to qualify areas your qualify it in some areas your household be household income has to be £7,400 or less tax and £7,400 or less after tax and before benefits. >> means , according to >> that means, according to oliver, that there are about 1 or 2 million children whose families are poverty or families are in poverty or financially struggling , who are financially struggling, who are excluded from free school lunches. i want to just play devil's advocate a little bit, if because start if i may, because when you start providing one free school lunch and then you're saying, oh yeah, we need if we don't invest in we need to if we don't invest in our children, you know, what are we going do? we going to do? >> why the at free >> why draw the line at free lunch not give three lunch then? why not give three square meals a day? why not convert the pe hall into a sleep area and let people sleep there? why? why are you drawing the line between what parents in

intervention the school is going to do at one meal? >> well, i'll explain why. primarily because by the time of tea time you've left the school . tea time you've left the school. so then you go home and it so then you go home and then it really the parents really is the parents responsibility at breakfast time. similarly that's pre—school and parents do pre—school and parents should do their for their their very best for their children. fits squarely children. lunch fits squarely in the of the school day, the middle of the school day, and i think it's essential. >> and there are politicians who definitely take too definitely want to take it too far. i reading about far. i i recall reading about teachers being asked to teach their pupils how to brush their teeth, which personally i think should definitely come under the parents. >> yeah, but you know what? i had an issue with that. and i debated that on this show at the time, and i was really against it. and the reason i was against it. and the reason i was against it is because i think so many parents currently are bone idle. i can't stand it. they burn idle. neglect their idle. they neglect their children. start children. and when you start going, oh, it's all right, we'll brush their teeth, we'll feed them, we'll this. you are them, we'll do this. you are taking inch by inch. but actually listen lot of actually i listen to a lot of people a lot of teachers got in touch with me and they convinced me it happens. i do change my

mind convinced mind sometimes. they convinced me actually harm it me that actually what harm is it doing? have companies doing? you can have companies that provide the products. that will provide the products. the papers brush, the two papers and two brush, whatever sponsorship or whatever. will be whatever. so the cost will be negative, any, negative, rebel if any, and actually, if what you're doing is those kids is you're teaching those kids a life they're all doing it life skill, they're all doing it together. it becomes like a good part hygiene and all the part of the hygiene and all the rest then why and rest of it. then why not? and they did kind of convince me in lots ways. lots of ways. >> i must confess, the more we can do to protect children from, um, neglectful parents, the better. parents get their incentivise parents to get their act but can't act together. but we can't punish children for the crimes of you what i would be >> you know what i would be doing? and this is very controversial, and we ain't got time get in this, but it's time to get in this, but it's a debate for another day when you've got these neglectful parents knows parents because everyone knows who they are. and i'm not talking people that are so talking about people that are so poor they literally cannot poor that they literally cannot provide i'm provide for their children. i'm not those. i'm not talking about those. i'm talking about the parents that deliberately and neglect talking about the parents that delibchildren. and neglect talking about the parents that delibchildren. if and neglect talking about the parents that delibchildren. if those neglect talking about the parents that delibchildren. if those peoplet their children. if those people had sterilised after had to be sterilised after they've abused one child one had to be sterilised after thejofe abused one child one had to be sterilised after thejof siblings, one child one had to be sterilised after thejof siblings, you child one had to be sterilised after thejof siblings, you would one had to be sterilised after thejof siblings, you would see |e set of siblings, you would see a dramatic fall in the amount of children that would be abused in

this country. >> me there. e me there. mean, >> you've lost me there. i mean, you just execute you could just execute them, couldn't where do couldn't you? i mean, where do you stop with that? on. you stop with that? come on. >> that's said. it's a >> that's what i said. it's a debate for the other day. i'll tell you now. you won't like the debate having then, debate i'm having tomorrow then, because going to debate because i'm. i'm going to debate tomorrow whether people tomorrow whether or not people that abuse images, that look at child abuse images, i use that horrendous i refuse to use that horrendous time because no such time child porn because no such thing as a crime scene. thank you very if people that you very much. if people that view of images should view those kind of images should be chemically castrate, i absolutely think they should. and be and i think the state should be rolling policy on that rolling out a policy on that regard. anyway, that regard. but anyway, that is perhaps a different perhaps for a different day. pfison perhaps for a different day. prison those people. prison for those people. >> michelle, you say that. >> michelle, you say that. >> me started. >> don't even get me started. you guys till tomorrow. you wait guys till tomorrow. the story to share story that i'm going to share with you tomorrow, it's going to make you hair curl because, make you your hair curl because, yeah, prison. when yeah, you've got prison. when people putting people are actually putting that. of people that. but the amount of people that. but the amount of people that are not put in prisons, that are not put in prisons, that are not put in prisons, that are wandering the streets, that are wandering the streets, that it's okay that seems to think it's okay looking being abused looking at children being abused is i watering? >> for life. yeah >> and it's not for life. yeah >> and it's not for life. yeah >> anyway, we shall on to >> anyway, we shall get on to that one for tomorrow. so, uh, we the program with we started the program with polly news polly middlehurst doing the news headlines, polly middlehurst doing the news headlineof now have

amount of people now that have got stress anxiety because got stress and anxiety because they've had stop working from they've had to stop working from home, workplace. they've had to stop working from home, mean workplace. they've had to stop working from home, mean underminelace. they've had to stop working from home, mean undermine mental i don't mean to undermine mental health conditions, but when we're when we're at a level now, when we're saying people got saying that people have got genuine anxiety issues because i quote, along lines of quote, it was along the lines of people at me in an people looking at me in an office. i mean, you've got to look, you've got to ask yourself what society we want? what kind of society do we want? i'm that we are i'm arguing that we are literally nation literally creating a nation of wet if cannot wet wipes. and if you cannot have within you be in an have it within you to be in an office and interact with people, how going how on earth are you going to get jill says. get through life? jill says. michelle, uh, at my school, get through life? jill says. miche got uh, at my school, get through life? jill says. miche got kidst my school, get through life? jill says. miche got kids who school, get through life? jill says. miche got kids who are i00l, get through life? jill says. miche got kids who are being we've got kids who are being conditioned they conditioned into thinking they can't day stuff can't do normal day to day stuff because anxiety. uh she says, because of anxiety. uh she says, we've got to normalise anxiety. because of anxiety. uh she says, we'vfeeling) normalise anxiety. because of anxiety. uh she says, we'vfeeling nervous, se anxiety. she feeling nervous, for example, or example, before a big meeting or an or an interview is an exam or an interview is normal. it shouldn't be medicalised arguing that medicalised you're arguing that parents medicalised you're arguing that parerkids from everything their kids from everything she says the future . says, i fear for the future. we're being forced to go to the office is a terrible attack on the rights of the work. from home pyjama classes by the evil tories. uh, says david, i've got to say, some of you guys, you do make me laugh. but some of your stuff, which i read every night, i can't read it out on national

television tea time. um, television at tea time. um, michelle, i for michelle, why should i pay for free meals? i don't even free school meals? i don't even have any kids, says tyerman matt. all i've got time matt. that's all i've got time for. thank you for your for. luchita. thank you for your time. thank your time. thank you for your company. nigel up next nana. >> a brighter outlook with >> it's a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hi there, it's aidan magee here from the met office with the gb news forecast. clear skies in the south overnight. cold and frosty in places, but actually a lot of cloud is covering the uk and that cloud is being carried from the east and northeast by an area of high pressure sitting to the north. now the high pressure is generally keeping things settled at the moment, we have at the moment, although we have seen some drizzly showers in places cloud has been places where the cloud has been low especially for low enough, especially for eastern northeastern england eastern and northeastern england . we keep that going through the night. the ten tends to night. the ten it tends to become drier for many, however, and with clear skies in the south as well as for western

scotland, there will be a frost in places. so a chilly start to the day. frost free for the nonh the day. frost free for the north sea coast. but here the day. frost free for the north sea coast . but here we've north sea coast. but here we've got that easterly or northeasterly wind, so feeling cold there'll be fewer showers across northern england, southern scotland and wales compared with wednesday . compared with wednesday. actually, plenty of dry weather, best of any sunshine will be limited to the southwest of england, southwest wales and increasingly central and western scotland. otherwise, a lot of cloud building through the day and that cloud morning and that cloud by friday morning is sitting across england and wales, predominantly so frost free but grey skies to begin things. some fog around as well. scotland and northern ireland. brighter skies but a chilly start with the widespread frost and then colder conditions arrive from the north on saturday and into sunday. cold enough for frequent snow showers in the far north by. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news .

>> an offer from rishi sunak at prime minister's questions today. but we asked tonight is it enough ? rwanda back on the it enough? rwanda back on the agenda , the amendments being put agenda, the amendments being put down. but is the conservative party as divided as ever and really should we not just grasp the nettle of leaving the echr and the royal navy back in action again , warding off action again, warding off multiple attempts at drone strikes yesterday and yet we can't recruit enough sailors. what on earth are we going to do? but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> nigel. thank you and good evening. well, post office workers caught up in the horizon. it scandal could have

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