gb news way . way. >> good evening . and welcome to >> good evening. and welcome to patrick christys tonight with me, mark dolan . me, mark dolan. >> doesnt the country deserve so much better than a prime minister who simply doesnt get britain .7 today britain? today >> wow. what exactly did saintly starmer mean by that one? nadhim zahawi ? he said he flinched on zahawi? he said he flinched on heanng zahawi? he said he flinched on hearing what he had to say. i'll also be asking who gets britain more sunak, starmer or neither ? more sunak, starmer or neither? tory mp brendan clarke—smith goes head to head with stella santa kidu, plus leigh anderson opened up on pmqs today and it was obviously, as always , was obviously, as always, blockbuster tv. so does the prime minister agree with me that the leader of the lib dems should take his own advice and start by clearing his desk, clear his diary and clear off his ? yes, indeed, the tory party

his? yes, indeed, the tory party deputy chair joins me live his? yes, indeed, the tory party deputy chairjoins me live in the studio to double down against davey, and i'll find out if he's part of the rwanda rebellion . when the snp's rebellion. when the snp's stephen flynn , meanwhile, said stephen flynn, meanwhile, said this about post office victims, the reality is that subpostmasters never stood a chance against the westminster establishment, did they ? have we establishment, did they? have we witnessed a failure of democracy, accountability and people power will be debating that next. also, virginia giuffre claims that she was paid £12,000 to sleep with prince andrew. are these devastating allegations against the prince going to destroy the monarchy? are we asking the king's former butler, a man that knows the family intimately well, grant harrold, plus , on my panel harrold, plus, on my panel tonight, the formidable christine hamilton, jane james heale and matthew laza . so a big heale and matthew laza. so a big two hours ahead. there's not a moment to waste. let's get to

work . work. do get in touch . who is to blame do get in touch. who is to blame for the post office scandal ? for the post office scandal? mark at gb news. com and i'll be sitting down with the victim of this shameful miscarriage of justice. next. this is a lady who received a paltry £8,000 despite having her life absolutely destroyed. she explains what today's developments mean to her right ? developments mean to her right? right after your headlines with polly middlehurst . polly middlehurst. >> mark, thank you and good evening to you. well, as you've been hearing wrongly accused post office workers will have their names cleared by the end of . following the of the year. following the horizon. software scandal. horizon. it software scandal. postal services minister kevin hollinrake said today that new legislation to exonerate subpostmasters in england and wales will be introduced within weeks. the government also

announced an up front payment of £75,000 in compensation for those who were jailed or bankrupt as a result of the flawed software which wrongly showed money was missing. well, one of the victims of the post office scandal, one of the victims of the post office scandal , vijay parekh, office scandal, vijay parekh, spoke to gb news earlier today and he said more needs to be done. >> all the people who are involved in this get the same treatment. we have had all this , treatment. we have had all this, uh, convicted , uh, postmasters uh, convicted, uh, postmasters and let them feel how we felt. we've done nothing and we've been imprisoned. they have done something, so they need to be imprisoned for the reason , what imprisoned for the reason, what they've done . they've done. >> well, in other news, today, a joint uk us military operation has fought off a maritime attack on international shipping . on international shipping. shipping in the red sea . the shipping in the red sea. the defence secretary says the royal navy's hms diamond successfully destroyed 21 multiple attack

drones deployed by houthi rebels attacking commercial shipping in support of hamas. grant shapps described the attacks as completely unacceptable and warned there would be further consequences as the late convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein refused to say if he tried to blackmail prince andrew over an alleged sexual encounter. court documents have revealed the new files show that one of his victims, virginia giuffre, alleges she was paid more than £11,000 to have sex with the duke of york. the transcript of the epstein interview was released as part of the final set of documents supporting virginia giuffre's civil claim against ghislaine maxwell . the parents of a maxwell. the parents of a british tourist who died after a helicopter crash in the united states will receive a £78 million settlement. jonathan udall and his wife were among five passengers who died after a tourist helicopter spun out of

control and burst into flames over the grand canyon in 2018, the 31 year old, who'd been honeymooning in las vegas, suffered burns over 90% of his body and spent 12 days in hospital, where he later died. his parents claimed wrongful death in the lawsuit , saying death in the lawsuit, saying their son may have survived if their son may have survived if the airbus helicopter had been equipped with better fire retardant technology . now, the retardant technology. now, the pressure of returning to the office after working from home is proving a little too much for some. with around six working days lost every year per worker due to stress, a survey of 1000 people found that noise , people found that noise, distractions and worries about being on show were the main causes of anxiety in the office. respondents also said their anxiety had become worse in recent months after the trend to work from home during the pandemic came to an end on tv , pandemic came to an end on tv, online, dab+ radio and the

tunein app. this is gb news. britain's news channel . thanks polly. >> good evening. i'm going to try something a bit unusual tonight. let's start the show by heanng tonight. let's start the show by hearing from the snp. you heard me right. this is their westminster leader, stephen flynn. speaking earlier at prime minister's questions , a horizon minister's questions, a horizon system defended by the current leader of the liberal democrats himself, a night bachelor, a honzon himself, a night bachelor, a horizon system scandal overseen by a former conservative prime minister who now hides in the house of lords as a baron. >> the reality is that subpostmasters never stood a chance against the westminster establishment, did they ? establishment, did they? >> yeah, well, he might look like a bond villain, but i'd call that a win for flynn. indeed where were our elected representatives when the leaders of the land, when this monstrous miscarriage of justice was taking place in broad daylight ?

taking place in broad daylight? right. leader of the lib dems, sir ed davey stands accused of ignonng sir ed davey stands accused of ignoring the subpostmasters plight back when he was a minister in 2010. now, unfortunately , he wasn't at the unfortunately, he wasn't at the house of commons today. unfortunately, he wasn't at the house of commons today . but i'll house of commons today. but i'll be honest , house of commons today. but i'll be honest, he's house of commons today. but i'll be honest , he's often spotted be honest, he's often spotted doing embarrassing political stunts next to a ticking clock . stunts next to a ticking clock. by my stunts next to a ticking clock. by my calculations, thread , it's by my calculations, thread, it's you that's running out of time . you that's running out of time. questions are also being asked of the labour leader, sir keir starmer. earlier starmer called the scandal a, quote, huge injustice that's a bit rich, isn't it? he was the head of the crown prosecution service when they took three post office victims to court in the words of my good friend and colleague nigel farage, hundreds of innocent people were convicted. starmer did nothing. so it's time for some answers. really there are no words that can sum up the horror of this scandal, but three spring to mind . and but three spring to mind. and who's to blame ? everyone, really who's to blame? everyone, really a corrupt and dishonest

corporation in the post office. what a sick joke that we own it, by the way. deluded civil servants, ruthless lawyers and arrogant dismissal of negligent government ministers who forgot who their paymasters are. you and me ? the prime minister today and me? the prime minister today proposed a new law to quash convictions and give upfront compensation . of £75,000. but compensation. of £75,000. but i don't think that's enough . this don't think that's enough. this story, just like the vain battle for for justice, hillsborough victims, the blood poisoning scandal, the lease holder cladding debacle . all of this cladding debacle. all of this represents the death of people. power order. folk are fighting a losing battle when facing powerful corporations, government departments or the courts. as the brilliant allison pearson points out in today's telegraph , around 70 of these telegraph, around 70 of these individuals have already passed away through old age and will never see justice. this story

has achieved something that i thought was impossible . it's thought was impossible. it's made me ashamed to be british. now, before my panel gets stuck in, we can never forget the huge human cost at the heart of this story. and i'm joined now by former post office manager nicky arch , whose life was completely arch, whose life was completely destroyed after she was wrongly accused of stealing £24,000 from accused of stealing £24,000 from a branch in stroud in gloucestershire . nicky, thank gloucestershire. nicky, thank you so much forjoining us. you've only received £8,000 in compensation so far, and because you've been cleared, you can't receive an official apology. do you think you'll ever get justice? it's the right. >> it's going very unlikely. um, we've tried and tried. um . i've we've tried and tried. um. i've done two decades now i'm going into my 24th year of fighting this. um, i lost my business. um, obviously the post office, um, my 18 year old is never known any different. his mum's

always been the post office woman. um and i've been on the same antidepressants now as i was put on a month after it happened. um so. and their announcements today were just ridiculous , so i. nothing's. ridiculous, so i. nothing's. changed has it? they're just. you know, trying to fog us off until the election's done. basically >> what are your thoughts , >> what are your thoughts, nicky, about the compensation cheque that you've received of £8,000? well well, that was from the group litigation. >> obviously we had to pay litigators. they put a huge amount of money on the line for us to take it to court. the sta . um, and that was what my proportion of it equated to. um, but it was always on the understanding, certainly from alan bates, that we were going to carry on fighting until everybody got their proper redress of what, what not only have they paid to the post

office because we've all paid thousands to them anyway. um, and that's all stashed away into the government profits. um, it's , um, proper redress. for two decades of my life. it's almost . decades of my life. it's almost. i was in my 20s when it happened. i'm now in my 50s as, um . and the fight carries on, um. and the fight carries on, you know, it just doesn't go away. um, and all the 555 of the jfsa are getting totally forgotten about. you know what redress have we got up to? 75,000. if we qualify . why? 75,000. if we qualify. why? well, you know, a third of that they've had of my own money anyway . ill they've had of my own money anyway. ill gained money they've had of my own money anyway . ill gained money because anyway. ill gained money because they accused me of theft when i'd never stolen anything at all. then i lost all the contents of my shop . the whole contents of my shop. the whole business. um, and then within two weeks, i was in the local newspaper saying i was stealing off a pensioners . we sold our off a pensioners. we sold our house at a ridiculously cheap price so we could get the hell out of that. that ham , because

out of that. that ham, because everybody was talking about it to the point i went to the supermarket and got spat at, and it was all in my hair from three ladies outside . um, and so , you ladies outside. um, and so, you know, those sort of things . and know, those sort of things. and i waited two years for them to take me to bristol crown court for three and a half day trial , for three and a half day trial, where i was stood with prison officers next to me for three and a half days, trying to defend myself against what seemed the most powerful oil company in the world. um, but it just happened to be the jury believed me, but the damage had already been done. >> well , it already been done. >> well, it seems to me, nikki, that the post office have stolen a large chunk of your life. it's impacted your mental health. you're on antidepressants . i you're on antidepressants. i would imagine you've had other health issues off the back of that. all the stress you've been through , reputational damage , through, reputational damage, pubuc through, reputational damage, public shame. um, what about the finances? have you managed to calculate a figure of how much

it's cost you to be falsely accused of a crime you didn't commit? do you have a figure of how much you've actually lost? do you think ? do you think? >> yeah. well, paul marshall is my, um, barrister here. um, who fought him to, um, very, very , fought him to, um, very, very, very good at his job. and he's followed the post office scandal from many moons ago. um, and he he instructed me to get a proper independent forensic accountant to come collate, um , those, you to come collate, um, those, you know, my losses independently, which we've done. and we had to pay which we've done. and we had to pay for four. um, and i've also had an independent medical report , um, done as well. we've report, um, done as well. we've submitted my full claim into dbt , department of business and trade . um, nearly five months trade. um, nearly five months ago now. and i haven't received ago now. and i haven't received a penny, so i don't know what mr holland rates talking about that he wants to turn them round in 40 days because . because my 40 40 days because. because my 40 daysis 40 days because. because my 40 days is truly gone . days is truly gone. >> but it must have, nikki. it

must have cost you several hundred thousand pounds in lost income from the business going down the rushed house sale. you must be out of pocket to many thousands of pounds. yeah yeah. >> and i retired when i was 49 because i've had six operations. i've not been able to have children from , from my first children from, from my first one. um, and i've got so many other health issues , um, that other health issues, um, that i had to retire with ill health from the local council at nikki. >> anyway, my heart goes out to you. you're a heroic person. you've cleared your name. i just my heart goes out to you. what you've been through absolute living hell and i know i speak on behalf of my many viewers and listeners that we just wish you every success in pursuing justice, in getting that apology, in getting proper compensation done. and as i what were you going to say? sorry, nikki. >> sorry i wasn't allowed an apology from the post office because i was acquitted. so they've said so. >> you won't get an apology, do

you ? is there a hope that you'll you? is there a hope that you'll get more compensation, though ? get more compensation, though? >> poor, poor and i and the 555 and sta will not stop until do. >> yeah, well, listen, i think you should get i. i'm not going to lie , nikki. i think you to lie, nikki. i think you should get millions. and if you were in america, i think you probably would. hope you'll probably would. i do hope you'll talk again . you're 1 in talk to us again. you're 1 in 1,000,000. it's been a privilege to the show and, uh. to have you on the show and, uh. and remarkable lady. and take care. remarkable lady. nikki arch there. she cleared her name , but it's destroyed her her name, but it's destroyed her life . let's get reaction from my life. let's get reaction from my punst. life. let's get reaction from my pundits . we've got the wonderful pundits. we've got the wonderful author broadcaster, author and broadcaster, christine editor christine hamilton, diary editor at , james heale at the spectator, james heale and former labour party adviser matthew lazar. the clock matthew lazar. folks, the clock is us. but just your is against us. but just your reaction to what you've heard from there? from nikki there? >> i mean, watching the drama was enough, but one had to was bad enough, but one had to keep telling yourself those were actors. mean, nikki actors. but i mean, seeing nikki there . what we there was astonishing. what we have to remember is that justice delayed justice denied , and delayed is justice denied, and all these people have not had justice. and the other thing which from nikki which came out from what nikki was there's a big was saying, there's a big

difference compensation difference between compensation and restitution. restitution is to give back what you've lost. rest labuschagne is to give back these sub—post offices, offices, these sub—post offices, offices, the money they had to put in to make up the shortfall that is restitution. that should just happen. compensation. quite right , should be happen. compensation. quite right, should be in the millions, should on top millions, should be on top of that. to have that. nobody seems to have sorted and the sorted those two out. and the other thing why should always other thing is why should always the taxpayer be looked to provide money? it's always provide this money? it's always mps. 0h, provide this money? it's always mps. oh, the mps. it's very easy. oh, the taxpayer will say yes because of course we unfortunately course we own we unfortunately own office, the post own the post office, the post office. about other office. but what about the other person involved that person involved here that fujitsu whatever. it's fujitsu or jitsi, whatever. it's called? yeah, they seem to me all the fingers are pointing at their and they denied their systems and they denied blame. deeply culpable blame. they are deeply culpable and they to me should cough up a huge amount. and yes, of course, ed go, but he's ed davey should go, but he's finished anyway. he hasn't. >> right. well, let tell >> all right. well, let me tell you that fujitsu have apologised for distress. for the damage and distress. >> so sorry. >> brilliant. i'm so sorry. >> brilliant. i'm so sorry. >> they've also they've also >> and they've also they've also said work actively said that they'll work actively in, in you know, fixing the issues that have occurred. >> words weasel words and all of

that. >> but james, if this was in america , that woman, that america, that woman, that remarkable lady that you just heard, she'd be a millionaire. now having gone through the courts, she gets £8,000. it's extraordinary insult. yes. i mean, one is the, you know, the lack of compensation or restitution in comparison to what they've been through for me also, it's the speed and the way in which the post office came down like a ton bricks very down like a ton of bricks very quickly people. quickly on these poor people. >> slowly the >> and then how slowly the wheels justice are turning, >> and then how slowly the whe that justice are turning, >> and then how slowly the whe that thattice are turning, >> and then how slowly the whe that that contrast urning, >> and then how slowly the whe that that contrast is 1ing, >> and then how slowly the whe that that contrast is really and that that contrast is really what's so striking this, the what's so striking in this, the fact taken years, fact that it's taken years, decades for people get decades for people to get justice? absolutely matthew. >> nicky's income, her >> they took nicky's income, her money, livelihood, her money, her livelihood, her business. her house business. they took her house technically because she had to sell it quickly to get out of that hamlet. they took her dignity, reputation and they dignity, her reputation and they took her health. and that, took her health. and for that, she's £8,000. just she's paid £8,000. it's just absolutely disgraceful, isn't it? >> because nicky was one of the few people who won their cases, and puts in and therefore that puts her in this kind invidious position and therefore that puts her in this kitoday'svidious position and therefore that puts her in this kitoday's announcement| where today's announcement doesn't it properly. >> now. hopefully she get, >> now. hopefully she will get, i'm like i'm sure. sounds like a barrister great job

barrister doing a great job fighting for her. yes, to get to get the money. but but you get the money. but we but you know, this sorted as know, we need this sorted as soon and you soon as possible. and did you say sorted? soon as possible. and did you say because post office, >> because it's the post office, was it? i didn't, but you know, i'm me i'm glad you're crediting me with more of a wordsmith with more more of a wordsmith than i really am. >> but, i mean, just to go back to original point about to your original point about what this is what shocks me about this is there some really there have been some really strong parliament. strong people in parliament. watch my, gb watch out for my, uh, gb nomination in show. nomination later in the show. oh good. you know, as good. but but you know, as stephen flynn said, this is a plague house. i'm just plague on this house. i'm just astonished. why so many people in uh, in positions of power, uh, ministers, and others were ministers, uh, and others were not asking questions enough not asking questions loud enough and why the media wasn't making more noise. remember more of a noise. i remember when computer story computer weekly broke this story ten years ago. >> computer weekly were you reading that magazine? >> but, mean, it was >> no, but, i mean, it was reported. you know, i'm not that much of but, you know. much of a nerd, but, you know. >> yeah, that's what that's it. >> it was a it. it was a bit of >> and then it was a bit of mainstream coverage, but it didn't get the traction until this christine, very quickly. um, i can't remember his >> um, i can't remember his name, but the government minister today, he minister who stood up today, he said may be some said that there may be some people guilty. yes, people who are guilty. well yes, of there but there's

of course there may. but there's something called blackstone's ratio which says that it's better ten guilty people better that ten guilty people go free one innocent person free than one innocent person goes and that seems to goes to jail. and that seems to have completely have been completely turned on its well, definitely. have been completely turned on its look, well, definitely. have been completely turned on its look, \athinkefinitely. a >> look, i think this was a failure of politics. it's a failure of politics. it's a failure of politics. it's a failure of the law. and the death of people power. the little person with no chance against large corporation won. against a large corporation won. that's my view. what's yours? margaret gb news. com a post office urged anyone office spokesperson urged anyone affected forward and affected to come forward and added we're acutely aware of the human cost of the scandal and doing all to can right the doing all we to can right the wrongs past far as wrongs of the past as far as that possible. both post that is possible. both the post office government office and the government are committed fair committed to full and fair compensation people compensation, which puts people back they would back in the position they would have these events had have been if these events had not taken place. well i hope that's case, not that's the case, but not possible . christine has her possible. christine has her doubts come. doubts still to come. lee anderson had parliament in the palm of his hand today, as he called lib leader, ed called on the lib dem leader, ed davey, resign. lee's davey, to resign. well, lee's furious and joins me live in furious and he joins me live in the studio. that's right. the deputy the tory deputy chairman of the tory party very shortly. but party live very shortly. but next in the head to head keir starmer goes for the jugular in pmqs. >> doesn't the country deserve

so much better than a prime minister who simply doesn't get britain? he >> what does he mean by that? um, who does understand the country more the prime minister or the labour leader? >> while tory mp brendan clarke—smith locks horns with former labour adviser stella santykiu on this debate . so lots santykiu on this debate. so lots to come, let me tell you, sparks will fly. it is sunak versus starmer next. mark dolan in for patrick christys

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britain's news channel. >> you're watching patrick christys tonight with me, mark dolan. all week. lovely to have your company coming up. deputy chair of the tories lee anderson doubles down on calls for ed doubles down on his calls for ed davey resignation in parliament. but first, it's time for tonight's head to head . and keir tonight's head to head. and keir starmer caused widespread outrage in parliament today after claiming that our british born, british educated prime minister, rishi sunak, doesn't get britain . take a listen. get britain. take a listen. >> doesn't the country deserve so much better than a prime minister who simply doesn't get britain ? britain? >> what does he mean by that? >> what does he mean by that? >> was that intollerant ? >> was that intollerant? >> was that intollerant? >> was that intollerant? >> was it a bit racist? i don't know, you tell me. but who does get britain sunak starmer or neither? let me know your thoughts. market gb news. com or tweet me gb news and do vote tweet me at gb news and do vote in the poll. but first going

head to head are former labour adviser stella kidu and conservative mp brendan clarke—smith . okay. well stella, clarke—smith. okay. well stella, let me start with you. do you think rishi sunak gets britain? >> no, of course he doesn't. he went to winchester. he's super rich. his wife is super rich. he flies on, on a private jet. how does the average british person relate to someone like british people are allowed to be rich. british people fly on private jets. >> well, i think every. >> well, i think every. >> how many of them go to winchester? >> i think every british person would like to be rich and would aspire to be rich . aspire to be rich. >> that is very different. i'm sure would also >> that is very different. i'm sure to would also >> that is very different. i'm sure to be would also >> that is very different. i'm sure to be rich would also >> that is very different. i'm sure to be rich .would also >> that is very different. i'm sure to be rich . i'mld also >> that is very different. i'm sure to be rich . i'm sure so >> that is very different. i'm sure to be rich . i'm sure he aspire to be rich. i'm sure he would also enjoy the luxury that rishi sunak starmer is rich. >> he's a multi—millionaire. >> he's a multi—millionaire. >> former lawyer keir starmer is a working. he's from a working class background. his father was a toolmaker . we heard that one a toolmaker. we heard that one mother was a nurse and you will hear again and again until hear it again and again until you dream about it. >> mark was also educated in a fee paying grammar school. so you know guy cannot claim you know this guy cannot claim to kind of dickensian

to be some kind of dickensian person to university person who went to university from his family. >> he went to leeds and then he went to oxford. >> know why? he's >> do you know why? he's incredibly class, smart, incredibly middle class, smart, and he's a he's because he's very class and lives in very middle class and lives in north london because he's a man who's hard. who's working really hard. >> know >> that's aspirational. you know what's aspirational ? >> that's aspirational. you know what's aspirational? being what's not aspirational? being rich, married to someone rich, getting married to someone who's even richer than you. and then richer and then becoming even richer and flying on private jets, that's not aspirational . not aspirational. >> that's impossible. okay, well, look think that rishi well, look, i think that rishi sunakis well, look, i think that rishi sunak is a great british success story . brendan, what's your story. brendan, what's your view? well, absolutely. >> wrong with aspiration? >> i mean, why do apologise >> i mean, why do we apologise in for people in this country for people who've well themselves? who've done well for themselves? rishi sunaks parents, you know, they, started off, they, they've started off, they've successful. they've been very successful. they've wanted good they've wanted to make a good life for children . life for their children. >> dad was a gp, mama, >> gp we dad was a gp, mama, pharmacist, pharmacist again pharmacist, pharmacist and again and keir starmer well, his and keir starmer as well, his parents the same parents did exactly the same thing. a very good career. >> he's had a very good career. he's done keir starmer well. >> went to winchester, his >> he went to winchester, his parents money to send parents had enough money to send him , good for his him to winchester, good for his parents good his parents and good for his parents, indeed. but but parents, indeed. but, but but there there there simply aren't. there

simply enough people simply aren't enough people with that wealth to send that amount of wealth to send their kids to public school. >> the labour, not >> the labour, the labour, not believe aspiration. stella. believe in aspiration. stella. >> this is why keir >> they do this is why keir starmer is our why starmer is our leader. why a self—made man? >> why self—made man? if >> why a self—made man? if labour believe in aspiration, why condemning why are you condemning the prime minister to minister for having been to a top school? top private school? >> because he didn't work for it. didn't work to go it. he didn't work to go to winchester. his parents did. exactly. he gets he got his exactly. so he gets he got his privilege from his parents. anyway, have no problem with anyway, i have no problem with him being public school educated. whatever. i don't care about that . i think. i think about that. i think. i think whoever wants to allowed to whoever wants to be allowed to get i do get into politics, what i do believe, though, is that does believe, though, is that it does mean that he cannot relate with people who are struggling with the crisis. he's the cost of living crisis. he's always been on private health care. he relate care. how can he relate to people are hospital people who are on hospital waiting keir starmer, on waiting lists? keir starmer, on the his mother was a the other hand, his mother was a nurse. he knows well nurse. he knows perfectly well what's got all the what's the you've got all the keir starmer catchphrases, haven't you? >> was a nurse, my >> my mother was a nurse, my father a toolmaker. listen, keir starmer, a very accomplished father a toolmaker. listen, keir starmeveryvery accomplished father a toolmaker. listen, keir starmeveryvery a(guy.)lished father a toolmaker. listen, keir starmeveryvery a(guy. and ed guy, a very smart guy. and another story. another british success story. why is he picking on rishi sunak like , nadine?

like this, nadine? >> because it is a sunak. he's a prime and he is going prime minister and he is going out oh, you know out and saying, oh, you know what the top 1, the wealthiest of the wealthy may not have to pay of the wealthy may not have to pay inheritance tax, while the rest of you, you are being taxed. >> the most you've ever been taxed. you are worse off than you've ever been. despite all his claims for growth. where is that growth? >> brendan? in, um nadhim zahawi your colleague said that he shuddered when he heard the prime when he heard the leader of the opposition say the prime minister doesn't get britain. why did he shudder? minister doesn't get britain. wh'well,he shudder? minister doesn't get britain. wh'well, i3 shudder? minister doesn't get britain. wh'well, i mean, ier? minister doesn't get britain. wh'well, i mean, some people >> well, i mean, some people have suggested, oh, is there a bit of racism so? and bit of racism there or so? and i'm to defend i'm actually going to defend keir starmer i don't keir starmer because i don't think actually did it think he actually did mean it that why people that way. but why have people said people have said that? well, people have said that? well, people have said that? well, people have said that because there are people who are the same people who are sat on the same bench has bench as keir starmer, who has sat him, and they've sat behind him, and they've made some comments about some terrible comments about people kwarteng, people like kwasi kwarteng, about patel, about people like priti patel, said . said kwasi. >> a mp, said the same >> a labour mp, said the same about johnson 2002. about boris johnson in 2002. >> mp 2022, a labour >> a labour mp 2022, a labour mp, said on the radio kwasi kwarteng sound good. kwarteng did not sound good. >> we sounded like a white man,

did not sound like a black man. >> well, that's the thing, you're type ethnic you're the wrong type of ethnic minority because you're a conservative. you know? how dare you believe aspiration? you believe in aspiration? an how socialist how dare you not be a socialist as though know these votes as though you know these votes belong to labour and belong to the labour party? and it's. like the attitude it's. it's like the attitude towards the working class markets same. markets exactly the same. >> me, let me throw how. >> now. >> now you are taking you are taking, are talking like taking, uh, you are talking like the woke left and i'm not having it because i'm not the woke left. i'm just left. >> i'm defending keir starmer. you're mean exactly . you're saying you mean exactly. >> school. >> you're old school. >> you're old school. >> left. old school >> old school left. old school left, which i like. >> blue labour. there we >> yes. blue labour. there we go. starmer exactly go. keir starmer said exactly the boris johnson in the same about boris johnson in 2020 22. yes >> okay. now brendan, i want to throw stella a bone here. bottom line is that rishi sunak is a multi—millionaire. he's got a heated swimming pool. he's not exactly man of the people, is he ? >> well, the thing is, i 7 >> well, the thing is, i mean, if you look at the background that he from, yes, his that he came from, yes, his parents a good parents sent him to a good school, worked very school, but he's worked very hard he is in life hard to get where he is in life and mentioned about private

health care and all this. health care and all of this. well, yeah. i mean, if you've done very well, i want to done very well, i want people to use care because use private health care because the who are in the the rest of us who are in the queue for the nhs, that queue is going to be smaller. everyone benefits. what what is wrong with is wrong with that >> what is wrong with that is that then you go and you vote for a party. then go and for a party. you then you go and vote a party that is vote for a party that is hollowing out nhs hollowing out the nhs because they're using so they're not using the nhs. so what care about the nhs what do they care about the nhs has had record investment. what do they care about the nhs hasand record investment. what do they care about the nhs hasand what d investment. what do they care about the nhs hasand what you lestment. what do they care about the nhs hasand what you lestn have to >> and what you also have to look what is rishi sunak look at is what is rishi sunak talking talking talking about. he's talking about inflation down, talking about. he's talking ab do you think the public, ordinary brits love the idea of £28 a year borrowed £28 billion a year borrowed for flaky renewables? >> are borrowing more flaky renewables? >> ever are borrowing more flaky renewables? >> ever are bthewing more flaky renewables? >> ever are bthe conservative than ever under the conservative government, and they've been in power to pay for power for 13 years to pay for that keir starmer that borrowing. keir starmer wants to have tell you wants to have that tell you about does wants to have that tell you altell does wants to have that tell you altell you, does wants to have that tell you altell you, perhaps, does wants to have that tell you altell you, perhaps, that does wants to have that tell you altell you, perhaps, that the does it tell you, perhaps, that the conservatives have been lying to us the state the us about the state of the british economy, about what it means borrow government

means to borrow as a government debt pandemic for two years? >> but you might be right. >> but you might be right. >> the problem the >> the problem with the pandemic, they didn't just happen why it was global pandemic. >> you might be right that we were lied to, that somehow the borrowing neutral, borrowing was cost neutral, which wasn't. and which it definitely wasn't. and i you'd agree i know, brendan, you'd agree with you were with that because you were pretty sceptical about of pretty sceptical about some of those lockdowns. history will judge . judge you kindly on that. stella, one question for you in judge you kindly on that. stella of ne question for you in judge you kindly on that. stella of whether on for you in judge you kindly on that. stella of whether sunak you in terms of whether sunak understands as the british people, more than starmer or vice versa, why you stop the boats, not on keir starmer's list of five missions. >> i'm sorry, but at the moment you have all of these houses around the country that are floating. i was in loughborough over weekend and there are over the weekend and there are people literally women people that are literally women with eight week, with eight week month flooding me with. month babies flooding me with. yes, and you are telling that yes, and you are telling me that these about the these people care more about the handful of people are handful of people that are coming and £3 billion a coming on boats and £3 billion a year to accommodate these people, £400 million have already been spent on a policy that rishi sunak himself admitted when he was chancellor before. it is not cost effective. >> you haven't answered my

question. why is stop the boats not keir starmers list? not on keir starmers list? >> because we know a fact >> because we know for a fact polling that the top polling shows that the top priorities british voter priorities for the british voter is economy. priorities for the british voter is ecowell,. priorities for the british voter is ecowell, there you go. >> okay, well, there you go. well, honest well, listen, i'll be honest with starmer ahead in with you. starmer is ahead in the winning the the polls. you're winning the argument moment. more the polls. you're winning the argum to: moment. more the polls. you're winning the argum to you, moment. more the polls. you're winning the argum to you, stella.1ent. more the polls. you're winning the argum to you, stella. thank more the polls. you're winning the argum to you, stella. thank you>re power to you, stella. thank you so as well playing so much, brendan as well playing catch up. can you still win the election think election i think so. >> it's a long time to go. um, you remember how much theresa may ahead and we ended up may was ahead and we ended up with parliament, so what with a hung parliament, so what i would say is, you know, let's keep looking people feel keep looking at people who feel better themselves. better off about themselves. they'll see that we're actually getting rishi getting some success. and rishi sunak his sunak is going to stick to his pledges. going to do pledges. he's not going to do what keir starmer did with his ten pledges labour members. ten pledges to labour members. and every one and go back on every single one of them. >> i wish you all the with >> i wish you all the best with that, there go. that, brendan. there you go. >> what, there the >> i tell you what, there the microphone been dropped. microphone has been dropped. >> entertaining and >> what an entertaining and enlightening chat over to you. your gbnews.com your reaction market gbnews.com now starmer spokesman, has now keir starmer spokesman, has defended the comment, arguing it was that the pm was about the fact that the pm constantly as if constantly talks as if everything brilliantly constantly talks as if everyticountry brilliantly constantly talks as if everyticountry and brilliantly constantly talks as if everyticountry and thatliantly constantly talks as if everyticountry and that it'stly in the country and that it's simply experience of simply not lived experience of hard working families up and down the country. okay, well ,

down the country. okay, well, listen, we've been asking you who gets britain more sunak starmer or neither? simon, on x says only one man does. that's gb news is nigel farage. andrew says they're both super rich people who are completely out of touch with normal brits. they should be forced to live on universal credit for a few months of in months instead of living in the lap their every lap of luxury where their every whim provided for, whim is provided for, christopher says both are christopher onyx says both are absolutely useless beyond belief. while your verdict is in 81% say neither of those gentlemen get the british public, 12% say sunak, 7% starmer. how damning statistics coming up as virginia giuffre claims she was paid £12,000 to sleep with prince andrew. is this never ending andrew epstein saga going to eventually bring down the monarchy? former royal butler grant harrold gives his expert insight shortly. but first, westminster's toughest talking mp emphatically takes down sir ed davey . down sir ed davey. >> so does the prime minister

agree with me that the leader of the lib dems should take his own advice and start by clearing his desk, diary and clear desk, clear his diary and clear off his lee anderson has not cleared off. >> he's in the studio, he's not happy and he's next. you're watching mark dolan in for patrick

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still to come. i'll be asking whether rishi sunak is bottling it the rwanda but it over the rwanda plan. but first mp opened first lee anderson mp opened pmqs today by calling for sir ed davey's resignation . an of davey's resignation. an of course he's the leader of the lib had a key post in lib dems. he had a key post in government during the post office . take a listen. office scandal. take a listen. >> is same liberal >> this is the same liberal democrat leader who, in the past has called for the resignation of over 30 prominent people in this country who have made mistakes in their job. does mistakes in theirjob. so does the prime minister agree with me that leader of the dems that the leader of the lib dems should advice and should take his own advice and start clearing his desk, start by clearing his desk, clear and clear off. clear his diary and clear off. they got to say, that's a cracking soundbite . cracking soundbite. >> i might steal that line for one of my monologues. lee okay, you meant it is sir. ed davey, a dead man walking politically ? dead man walking politically? >> i'm sure about that. >> i'm not sure about that. >> i'm not sure about that. >> honest, >> mark to be honest, is damaged, very damaged . damaged, is very damaged. >> so is a man who we know >> so here is a man who we know now is a hypocrite , a hypocrite now is a hypocrite, a hypocrite of the highest order. like i said in pmqs today is called for the resignation of probably 34 people. i think it is prominent people. i think it is prominent people who's made mistakes in

the job. we all make mistakes, mark. but he's called for their resignation. it needs to man up now. i would suggest to her if he's watching this, i doubt it very give your very much that give your knighthood to mr bates . he knighthood to mr bates. he deserves it more than you. and just clear off what a brilliant gesture that would be in my opening comments for the show, i said that this was the death of people power. >> the idea that innocent, ordinary folk were the great victims of a miscarriage of justice, ignored by government ministers who were advised by ill informed civil servants, a corrupt organisation in the post office and frankly thrown to the wolves as mps or even ministers , wolves as mps or even ministers, or a little bit higher up the pay or a little bit higher up the pay scale. >> mark, when you listen to people who's got a problem , like people who's got a problem, like like postmaster , there's like a postmaster, there's always two sides to every story . always two sides to every story. they people like ed davey chose to listen to the post office rather than the lowly workers . rather than the lowly workers. it's absolutely disgraceful . you

it's absolutely disgraceful. you know, i cannot imagine it. imagine being that subpost postmaster in a dock in a court. you've worked hard all your life, and that judge sends you to prison like he did to a constituent of mine for three years and accused that person of stealing over £200,000 and devastating ed davey. he slithered off somewhere this week. he's hiding and i thought more of him . if he'd been in the more of him. if he'd been in the chamber today and, you know, manned up and faced us. but he didn't. >> now i won't speculate as you'll understand and why he was absent. there may be reasons for that which which may to that which which may come to light. line is light. but the bottom line is that he could still make a statement. he could still communicate well, communicate his message. well, he apologise, he could apologise, actually, and course, rescind and he could of course, rescind and he could of course, rescind and knighthood. and hand back that knighthood. but this , does it give you but does this, does it give you a flavour of , of the way in a flavour of, of the way in which the sort of the elite govern this country now, and also a sort of computer says no culture is sort of does because i mean, like i've said previously on this show, but

the, the, the minister at the time, ed davey and i think it can go a little bit further back to when labour were in power as well. to when labour were in power as welum, they sort of took the >> um, they sort of took the word of the post office above the lowly workers . these are the lowly workers. these are parties, by the way. mark that that peddle this myth. they're on the side the working on the side of the working class, man and woman the class, man and woman in the street well i mean, red street yet. well i mean, red flags surely . i street yet. well i mean, red flags surely. i mean, street yet. well i mean, red flags surely . i mean, 700 people flags surely. i mean, 700 people or done for fraud. it's just ridiculous . well, absolutely. ridiculous. well, absolutely. >> now there's more to this story than meets the eye. or is there? the plot thickens because there? the plot thickens because the bbc has generated a fresh angle on this scandal, publishing an article in which seven south asian victims claim that racism affected how they were treated . roughly 39% of were treated. roughly 39% of post office workers convicted were from ethnic minorities , were from ethnic minorities, with one victim telling bbc newsnight that it felt like they thought you were a foreigner and you'd robbed them, whilst another claims post office staff told him all the indians are doing it. they have relatives so they take the money and send it to them abroad. so was the post

office scandal racist ? office scandal racist? >> well, i wouldn't always believe what the bbc reports , believe what the bbc reports, mark. in fact, i never believe what the bbc reports. there are a lot of i know in my area in particular, a lot of asian people that run post offices. but look, the bbc seriously saying that a computer programme was racist and now we've heard this nonsense in the past that we've got racist cheese, we've got racist gardens, we've got all racism within our all sorts of racism within our society. it's racist . the society. it's racist. the countryside's racist. i just do not believe that a computer programme , um, is racist. programme, um, is racist. i think the problem lies with the post office, with their reluctance to actually invest in these cases properly. look the bbc, they're a spent force . we bbc, they're a spent force. we know that. we know that. um, so i don't believe that nonsense. >> racism. although, i mean, i think you'll agree you'll be concerned some of those concerned by some of those anecdotes. idea oh, anecdotes. the idea of, oh, these are indian . they these people are indian. they send money to families. i send the money to families. i mean, that's pretty outrageous stuff, it is stuff, isn't it? it is outrageous. if that's been said, if that's record. um, if that's on record. yeah. um, is snobbery , then is it just, is it snobbery, then is it just, uh, this corporation's

uh, you know, this corporation's looking the scum, um, looking down on the scum, um, that, know, the foot that, you know, the foot soldiers were, little soldiers as it were, the little people the hard graft. >> well, it is, and the people in post office do the hard in the post office do the hard graft, i mean, the post graft, mark. i mean, the post office businesses i visit office businesses that i visit in constituency are not as in my constituency are not as profitable as they used to be back in the day. they are really scrimping scraping a scrimping and scraping to make a living , and they to sell a living, and they need to sell a lot of packets of custard creams and, manilla envelopes and, you know, manilla envelopes just a profit. they make just to make a profit. they make literally nothing on the payments make. out payments they make. they pay out for pensions on a tuesday for the pensions on a tuesday whenever it is the stamps , they whenever it is the stamps, they make hardly any money at all. they struggling make they really struggling to make ends been ends meet. and they have been let the post office. let down by by the post office. >> and how much of a part of a community is the for those living in big cities that living maybe in big cities that don't know much are the don't know how much are the community? is the post office and postmaster and the postmaster massively. >> was >> in the village where i was brought i lived for brought up, i lived there for 40 odd visit that odd years. i still visit that because it's in my constituency, the office is the hub of the post office is the hub of the post office is the hub of the uh, it's an the community. uh, and it's an asian running that asian family that's running that post a massive post office. they're a massive part the community. brilliant part of the community. brilliant family. they're family. i know they're

struggling to make ends meet and they're diversifying struggling to make ends meet and tilittle diversifying struggling to make ends meet and tilittle bit. diversifying struggling to make ends meet and tilittle bit. imagine versifying struggling to make ends meet and tilittle bit. imagine if rsifying struggling to make ends meet and tilittle bit. imagine if they ng struggling to make ends meet and tilittle bit. imagine if they ifi a little bit. imagine if they if they knock on the door they had a knock on the door from the post office and the local to them of local plod to accuse them of these horrible things. these people mark and i people are innocent. mark and i mean rishi spoke really passionately today in the house. these people need compensating as soon possible and as soon as possible and exonerating most definitely. >> let's talk about your boss, the minister, under a bit the prime minister, under a bit of pressure, the rwanda rebels . of pressure, the rwanda rebels. now we've got this new legislation is going to legislation which is going to hopefully get the rwanda plan up legislation which is going to hop

behind doors. so there's behind closed doors. so there's lots conversations going off. lots of conversations going off. i thing is, thing i think the thing is, the thing that regardless of that we all want, regardless of what of the party you're what side of the party you're actually on, we all want this bill to work when it becomes an act, we want it to work. we want to make sure that the flights go off and yes, there'll be disagreements. mean, disagreements. but yeah, i mean, i've expressed my concerns and the i voted for the the reason i voted for the second reading before second reading just before christmas give government christmas was to give government a chance, the prime a chance, give the prime minister to look at it minister a chance to look at it again. and we met with the prime minister. we met with the home secretary. beefing up secretary. we want it beefing up a want it beefing a little bit. i want it beefing up a little i want to make up a little bit. i want to make sure that this this sure that when this when this becomes there's becomes proper law, that there's no loophole lawyers no loophole the lefty lawyers can't hold of this. and the can't get hold of this. and the planes actually take off because the same way. the pm feel the same way. >> these people are not, >> i mean, these people are not, you idiots, aren't they? you know, idiots, aren't they? suella former suella braverman are the former government who are government ministers who are robert jenrick, you know , former robert jenrick, you know, former immigration minister, he resigned over this issue. >> i've got a lot of time for robert. a lot of time for suella. is that not the canary in mine here? in the coal mine here? >> prime

>> i'm not sure. the prime minister the public. is minister conning the public. is he going through the motions, being this while being seen to tackle this while the on every the prime minister, on every single when he talks single occasion when he talks about his priority single occasion when he talks attot his priority single occasion when he talks attot the his priority single occasion when he talks attot the boats.1is priority is to stop the boats. >> to take him at his >> i have to take him at his word. i've got massive respect for rishi sunak. we to for rishi sunak. we have to get it done, and we've it done, mark. and look, we've got, another, what, got, you know, another, what, 5 or 6 days to get through . or 6 days to get this through. there's going to be lots of conversations a few conversations probably a few heated discussions behind the scenes. but come next week we need sort this out and make need to sort this out and make sure know, after the sure that, you know, after the illegal migration act and the nationality act, nationality and borders act, that this scheme actually works. is in it. is he is his heart in it. >> it's been reported was >> and it's been reported he was sceptical about rwanda plan , sceptical about the rwanda plan, the the workability . the cost of it, the workability. does he really want this? >> any politics, any >> i think any politics, any sort of plan, anybody's sceptical because, you know there's depending it, there's a lot depending on it, mark. to work. mark. you want it to work. >> friend of mine, nigel mark. you want it to work. >> last nd of mine, nigel mark. you want it to work. >> last night mine, nigel mark. you want it to work. >> last night on ne, nigel mark. you want it to work. >> last night on thiingel mark. you want it to work. >> last night on this show farage, last night on this show told that there may be told me that there may be ten years labour government . years of a labour government. yeah. um, your reaction to that? >> well, nigel, i mean, a lot of respect for i've always respect for nigel. i've always said get on really said this to get on really well with good colleague, but he with him. good colleague, but he needs to careful what he

needs to be careful what he wishes you know, made wishes for. you know, they made it the reform party it quite clear the reform party that want us, us that they want to see us, see us off, kill us off if you like, and they're bothered a and they're not bothered if a labour gets in. i've labour government gets in. i've said all said it in the past, it's all right for you in right for people you know, in high it's got a few high positions. it's got a few bob the back pocket, but the bob in the back pocket, but the my main concern is the rest of the this country and the people in this country and especially people especially the people in ashfield, mark, ashfield, who will suffer. mark, make about it, make no doubt about it, we'll suffer labour government suffer if a labour government gets in. >> forward to seeing >> i look forward to seeing you in time. lee in a week's time. okay, lee anderson, you go. deputy anderson, there you go. deputy chair conservative party chair of the conservative party now, week, a lib chair of the conservative party now, spokesperson week, a lib chair of the conservative party now, spokesperson saidk, a lib chair of the conservative party now, spokesperson said ed, lib chair of the conservative party now, spokesperson said ed, the dem spokesperson said ed, the leader, bitterly that dem spokesperson said ed, the leaipostiitterly that dem spokesperson said ed, the leaipost office that dem spokesperson said ed, the leaipost office were that dem spokesperson said ed, the leaipost office were tihonest the post office were not honest with him at the time. his heart goes the families caught goes out to the families caught up miscarriage of up in this miscarriage of justice, and he'll fully cooperate inquiry to cooperate with the inquiry to get of what get to the bottom of what went wrong . okay, well, listen , is wrong. okay, well, listen, is the pm bottling the rwanda plan? i'll tackle that in my 10 pm. monologue shortly. you won't want to miss it. i'm not pulling my punches. but next, as virginia giuffre claims, she was paid £12,000 to sleep with the duke of york. is this never ending prince andrew epstein

saga going to eventually bring down the monarchy? well former royal butler grant harrold is next. and of course, he knows the family intimately. well. he knows what charles is going through and he's

next okay, folks, it's time now for the royal dispatch tonight with former royal butler grant harrold . and allegations that harrold. and allegations that prince andrew, uh, had relations with virginia giuffre and that she was paid £12,000 to have sex with the king's brother. now, of course, prince andrew denies these allegations strenuously and settled out of court with virginia giuffre with no, uh, admission means nothing admitted whatsoever . let's get reaction whatsoever. let's get reaction to this new scandal from grant harrold , former esteemed royal

harrold, former esteemed royal butler grant, great to have you back on the show . i'll tell you back on the show. i'll tell you who i'm worried about, not prince andrew, but his brother, the king. you know our monarch intimately. well, how much do you think this will be hurting him ? him? >> i think it's a family member, isn't it? >> it's his brother at the end of the day, and i think that the stress will certainly have an impact. >> i mean, the thing about the king is he's he's very much a professional , as we've seen in professional, as we've seen in recent years, losing his parents. he gets on with the job now, everything that's taken place with his brother, uh, as you've mentioned , obviously you've mentioned, obviously these at these are just allegations at these are just allegations at the allegations . the moment. these allegations. but obviously king will but obviously the king will still it seriously. uh, still take it seriously. uh, obviously prince andrew's stepped back public duty stepped back from public duty a few years ago. i don't think there's any sentiment returning few years ago. i don't think th

because it's just not going away ? >> 7- >> no. 7 >> no. definitely not now. what were andrew were your impressions of andrew as when you served the as a guy when you served the royal do you recognise royal family? do you recognise this portrait painted by the media? >> do you know when i saw him, he was always very polite, friendly , um, really nice to be around. >> so obviously i've already read things. you hear things. and i think that's what's difficult for me, mark, is when you've you've been there and you've you've been there and you've worked them, you see a very different, a very different insight, feel very lucky insight, which i feel very lucky to seen. so of course, to have seen. so of course, i should when all this should mention when all this obviously to discussed, obviously began to be discussed, i as everybody i was as shocked as everybody else. yeah. um, because it's just what you imagine , you just not what you imagine, you know, just shows you you know, but it just shows you you you really know in you never really know in practical terms, grant, what is life like for prince andrew now? >> do you think, that he's >> do you think, given that he's not his royal duties, not performing his royal duties, how will he be passing his days ? how will he be passing his days? >> do you know this is a really good question mark. and i've been wondering this myself because a very active because he was a very active member the royal family, member of the royal family, and

i at point i sort of i think at one point i sort of ambassador, it came to ambassador, when it came to trade and business that, trade and business and all that, as was , has obviously as far as i was, has obviously stopped i suppose this is stopped and i suppose this is the closest you ever get to a member the royal family member of the royal family retiring, they don't. do. retiring, which they don't. do. you know, the british royals historically? mother you know, the british royals hhis rically? mother you know, the british royals hhis father, mother you know, the british royals hhis father, grandmother,1er you know, the british royals hhis don'tr, grandmother,1er you know, the british royals hhis don't they grandmother,1er you know, the british royals hhis don't they nevermother,1er you know, the british royals hhis don't they never retired.1er they don't they never retired. and he's obviously they're not using that, that those kind of choice of words. but that is obviously what's happened is he's very much retired from public, public duties. and public, from public duties. and i'm sure his focus is obviously his his family, obviously his his his family, obviously his his ex—wife, um, the duchess of york and, uh, his own children and grandchildren. that that will obviously be his, his focus. but, um, it's a difficult one, you know, for a member of the royal family when you're no longer a member of the royal family at that, that age, as well. >> um, briefly, grant, i mean, you must devastated see you must be devastated to see what's the family you must be devastated to see what's you're the family you must be devastated to see what's you're very the family you must be devastated to see what's you're very fondfamily you must be devastated to see what's you're very fond ofnily you must be devastated to see what's you're very fond of the because you're very fond of the people that employed you. and you formed bond with them. you formed a bond with them. you've to them. you've been very loyal to them. you've been very loyal to them. you of them. not you never speak ill of them. not that i've ever witnessed, but

they trouble. they are in a bit of trouble. the prince the prince the prince harry, the prince andrew, this drama do you andrew, all this drama do you worry the of the worry about the future of the monarchy worry about the future of the mo mm 1y worry about the future of the mo mm ,' worry about the future of the mo mm , absolutely. uh, you know , >> mm, absolutely. uh, you know, a lot of friends and family asked me very question, asked me this very question, and, and it was under the reign of queen elizabeth. you know, i always a few years back, i think you agree, mark. it quite you agree, mark. it was quite secure. it was solid. it was united . and then the united family. and then over the last couple it's last couple of years, it's literally kind crumbled away. literally kind of crumbled away. now, the one it now, i think the one thing is it does show, i said, it shows does show, as i said, it shows they just like other they are just like any other family. you know, at the end of the day, they are just like like all who go through all of us who go through different and different trials and tribulations within a family. but royal family, but when it's the royal family, that's there's but when it's the royal family, tifew there's but when it's the royal family, tifew people there's but when it's the royal family, tifew people out there's but when it's the royal family, tifew people out there, there's but when it's the royal family, tifew people out there, asere's but when it's the royal family, tifew people out there, as we s a few people out there, as we know, want a royal know, that don't want a royal family just uh , family and this just adds, uh, kind of just to their, to their cause. kind of just to their, to their cause . and i think from the cause. and i think from the king's point of view and the royal family sure they're, royal family i'm sure they're, they're of show they're wanting to kind of show that united that that they are united and that they can pull together. and i think that's why also we can have a slimmed down monarchy in the think there's less the future. i think there's less that's probably inevitable, although have

that's probably inevitable, althridjh have that's probably inevitable, althrid of have that's probably inevitable, althrid of you. have got rid of you. >> when it all went >> that's when it all went wrong. grant, to you wrong. grant, lovely to have you on after this, i'll be on the show. after this, i'll be deaung on the show. after this, i'll be dealing with the prime minister. is he the rwanda plan? is he bottling the rwanda plan? why to why is it controversial to police our borders? >> warm feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boiler rulers, sponsors of whether on . gb news. hi there. whether on. gb news. hi there. >> it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office. with the gb news forecast clear skies in the south overnight . cold and frosty south overnight. cold and frosty in places , but actually a lot of in places, but actually a lot of cloud is covering the uk and that cloud is being carried from the east and northeast by an area of high pressure sitting to the north. now the high pressure is generally keeping things settled at moment, although settled at the moment, although we have seen some drizzly showers in places the showers in places where the cloud has low enough , cloud has been low enough, especially and especially for eastern and northeastern england. we keep that going through the night. the ten it tends to become dry for many, however, and with clear skies in the south as well as for western scotland, there will be a frost in places. so a

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gb news. >> good evening . it's 10:00 gb news. >> good evening . it's10:00 and >> good evening. it's10:00 and this is patrick christys tonight with me, mark dolan. lovely to have your company and take a listen to this. >> i am absolutely clear that you do need to stop the boats. and that's what this government and that mp is going to deliver. >> but do you believe him with his slim blue tie? some of his own mps don't . the rwanda rebels own mps don't. the rwanda rebels are mobilising and i'll tell sunak to seize the moment in my monologue next. yes i'll be deaung monologue next. yes i'll be dealing with rishi sunak. don't miss it . sir keir starmer was miss it. sir keir starmer was head of the cps when they took three sub postmaster to court. so is my friend nigel farage right. that the labour leader has serious questions to answer. also tonight find out which polarising politician has been exposed as the biggest eco hypocrite ever . also, on the day hypocrite ever. also, on the day that the post office victims

finally see justice, we'll bring you all of tomorrow's newspaper front pages hot off the press in the company of my panel, who are raring to go . christine hamilton raring to go. christine hamilton tonight james heale and matthew laza . so a jam packed hour on laza. so a jam packed hour on the way. you won't want to miss a second. we don't do boring. not on my watch. i just won't have it. let's get to work. email me now. has rishi sunak bottled it with the rwanda plan market? gb news. com lots to get through my monologue next. but first here is polly middlehurst . first here is polly middlehurst. mark thank you and good evening to you. >> well, wrongly accused post office workers will have their names cleared by the end of the yean names cleared by the end of the year, the horizon , an year, following the horizon, an it scandal . postal it software scandal. postal services minister kevin

hollinrake said today that new legislation to exonerate subpostmasters and mistresses in england and wales will be introduced within the next few weeks. the government also announced an up front payment of £75,000 in compensation for those who were jailed or bankrupted as a result of the flawed software which wrongly showed money was missing. one of the victims of the post office scandal , vijay parekh, spoke to scandal, vijay parekh, spoke to gb news earlier on today and said more needs to be done. >> all the people who are involved in this get the same treatment . we have had all this , treatment. we have had all this, uh, convicted, uh , postmasters uh, convicted, uh, postmasters and let them feel how we felt. we've done nothing and we've been imprisoned. they have done something. so they need to be imprisoned for the reason, what they've done . they've done. >> well, in other news, today , a >> well, in other news, today, a joint uk us military operation has fought off a maritime attack

on international shipping in the red sea , the defence secretary red sea, the defence secretary saying the royal navy's hms diamond destroyer successfully took out 21 multiple attack drones deployed by houthi rebels attacking commercial shipping in support of hamas. grant shapps described the attacks as completely un acceptable and warned there would be further consequences . the estimated cost consequences. the estimated cost of building the hs2 rail link between london and birmingham has soared to £66.6 billion. the chairman of the project, sir john thompson, told mps the increase was due to the original budget estimates being too low. poor standards of delivery and inflation. in 2013, hs2 two was estimated to cost £375 inflation. in 2013, hs2 two was estimated to cost £37.5 billion, but that was for the entire planned network that included the now scrapped sections from birmingham to manchester and leeds. birmingham to manchester and

leeds . parents and grandparents leeds. parents and grandparents aged over 55 save younger family members around $38 pounds collectively per year in child care costs. older family members spend over nine hours a week helping with the care of children and grandchildren , new children and grandchildren, new government statistics showed around half of all working families have two full time employed parents who rely on their extended family members for support. it also showed that more than 30% of parents and grandparent s allow their adult children to live back with them at home, while they save for a deposit on their own home, and lastly, the princess royal has been welcomed to sri lanka with a tradition display of dance. princess anne is visiting the south asian country with her husband to mark 75 years of diplomatic ties between the two countries. during the three day visit, the princess is due to meet the country's president and first lady. she'll also meet local community leaders and faith groups in the capital,

colombo. that's the news on gb news. across the uk on tv, in your car , on digital radio and your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel . britain's news channel. >> thanks, polly. good evening. when did it become controversial to police our borders? territorial boundaries define a nafion territorial boundaries define a nation state and always have done. hey, in the good old days, even cities had walls and gates. it wasn't unfashionable then, but it seems to be now. in 2024, with technology and surveillance. that should make us more secure than ever. but our borders are more exposed these days than a britney spears selfie. it isn't complicated that countries should decide who comes in and who doesn't . why comes in and who doesn't. why else would we need customs officials and passports ? which officials and passports? which takes me to rishi sunak , who is takes me to rishi sunak, who is facing a rebellion from brave tory mps over his rwanda plan.

over 30 princes and backbenchers are backing plans to change the bill next week to make it harder for people to appeal deeper . for people to appeal deeper. station ministers insist the bill allows only a quote , bill allows only a quote, vanishingly small number of appeals. i'm not so sure . so appeals. i'm not so sure. so what's he going to take to get this sorted? these illegal crossings are a national security , economic and security, economic and humanitarian disaster. easter. so for those attacking the rwanda plan, if you're comfortable with current levels of illegal immigration, i've got a simple question for you. how do we fund the £8 million a day? that's £3 billion a year that it's costing us. we can't tax any more . we can't borrow any any more. we can't borrow any more . so would you take it out more. so would you take it out of schools , policing? should we of schools, policing? should we cut funding to the nhs? defence they have no answer to that because there is no answer . and because there is no answer. and don't get me started on the cervix. free leader of the opposition keir starmer. stop

the boats isn't even on his list of five key pledges. that tells you everything you need to know . you everything you need to know. mark my words , sitting on our mark my words, sitting on our hands won't wash with the public, who i predict will judge very harshly a political establishment that refused to reassert the integrity of our national borders . reassert the integrity of our national borders. in short, we can't carry on like this. if we do, we are quite simply not a proper country anymore. we need an honest conversation about what it means to be a country again, and whether we're willing to defend our identity, our territorial boundaries , our very territorial boundaries, our very existence . no language is too existence. no language is too strong on this. this is a crisis. this is an emergency. this is the new battle of britain , and it's got to won . be britain, and it's got to won. be rishi sunak should beef up the rwanda plan. so that it actually works. this is a huge problem for the government , works. this is a huge problem for the government, but it's also a huge opportunity. if

sunak can stop the boats, there'll be no stopping him . there'll be no stopping him. your reaction market gb news comm. let's get a response now from my brilliant panel. comm. let's get a response now from my brilliant panel . author from my brilliant panel. author and broadcaster christine hamilton and diary editor at the spectator , a must read political spectator, a must read political journal . let me tell you, james journal. let me tell you, james heale and former labour party adviser. the highly intellectual and very charming matthew last. oh, i'm. >> i've come back . >> i've come back. >> i've come back. >> what do you think, matthew , >> what do you think, matthew, let me start with you on this one. do you think that, uh, that rishi sunak is bottling the rwanda plan? is he going through the well i think he is. the motions? well i think he is. >> yes. he's going through the motions he's bottled it in motions and he's bottled it in the sense that he's guaranteed to have to to deliver rwanda. you have to get echr. now, i'm get rid of the echr. now, i'm not saying that's the right thing if you want to thing to do, but if you want to guarantee rwanda, guarantee delivery in rwanda, that's logical thing do. that's the logical thing to do. and been, you and the tories have been, you know, a bit know, on off with showing a bit of leg, saying, we're going to get of the echr, uh, for get rid of the echr, uh, for literally the entirety this literally the entirety of this government. documentary literally the entirety of this goverrwhether documentary literally the entirety of this goverrwhether the documentary literally the entirety of this goverrwhether the tories>cumentary literally the entirety of this goverrwhether the tories shouldtary about whether the tories should leave neil leave the echr with andrew neil in had to in 2011, when i briefly had to become expert on it. even

in 2011, when i briefly had to becorto expert on it. even in 2011, when i briefly had to becorto strasbourg)n it. even in 2011, when i briefly had to becorto strasbourg to it. even in 2011, when i briefly had to becorto strasbourg to stand n in 2011, when i briefly had to becorto strasbourg to stand in went to strasbourg to stand in this chamber. >> was a idea then? >> was it a good idea then? >> was it a good idea then? >> so we started with the >> well, so we started with the i mean, andrew started with the premise thought it was a premise that he thought it was a good leave the good idea to leave at the beginning, he beginning, and by the end he most certainly wasn't so sure. i mean, start talking to mean, when we start talking to russian dissidents who taken their cases to strasbourg, you know, the that for know, the power that it has for good. mean, know, to good. but i mean, you know, to distract, go to distract, to go back to the central is, he central argument is, has he bottled it? he's bottled, leaving means leaving the echr, which means that got himself in a that he has got himself in a ridiculous of betting ridiculous position of betting his premiership his whole premiership on stop the he the boats on the slogan that he has on the lectern at every press conference. not press conference. yet he's not willing means to deliver willing the means to deliver that very peculiar indeed. >> james heale suella braverman, former home secretary ex—top lawyer . she knows her onions. lawyer. she knows her onions. she thinks this rwanda policy is dead on arrival . based upon this dead on arrival. based upon this new bill, it won't do the job because there'll be a flurry of independent appeals. so what is sunak up to? well i think first of all, he's really hindered by the fact that it's not just suella braverman, it's robert jenrick who resigned . jenrick who resigned. >> the people who >> of course, the people who knew immigration

>> of course, the people who knew exactly. immigration >> of course, the people who knew exactly. who gration >> of course, the people who knew exactly. who gratiothe minister, exactly. who were the most it. most critical of it. >> by the way, champion of >> and by the way, a champion of sunak, a loyalist. >> someone who >> yeah. well, someone who backed him very much so in the 2022 these 2022 leadership race. so these are people, uh, who have a knowledge expertise, knowledge of this expertise, and they're knowledge of this expertise, and they'|critical. and that's what's most critical. and that's what's quite hard for him, i think. look, he's trying to walk thin look, he's trying to walk a thin line. and i at one line. and i was at the one nation, left nation, which is the tory left group, and they were group, last night. and they were all you know, all very much saying, you know, if sunak goes any further to the right, going go and right, we're going to go and we're bring, we're going to try and bring, you more concessions you know, bring more concessions from and he's, as from him. and really he's, as one me, you know, one mp said to me, you know, clowns to the left of me, jokers to here am stuck in to the right, here i am stuck in the with you. the middle with you. >> and would you mind saying that in that again? but this time in like, sing it? like, could you sing it? >> i've gone. >> um, i think i've gone. >> um, i think i've gone. >> but so, so therefore this >> but but so, so therefore this is a challenge to his leadership, suppose. and leadership, i suppose. and also it's challenge strategically. it's a challenge strategically. which it's a challenge strategically. whithe lean into the rebels or does he lean into the rebels or does he lean into the rebels or does he lean into the rebels or does he keep the tory wets happy? >> suspect be some >> i suspect there'll be some concessions of very small nature to rebels. but i think that to the rebels. but i think that at the day, they're at the end of the day, they're still to vote for him, still going to vote for him, because no wants bring a because no wants to bring down a tory because no wants to bring down a tonpardon french, it's >> pardon my french, it's another is rishi

another tory leader. is rishi sunak public here is sunak the british public here is this dressing. is this this window dressing. is this theatre is this going through theatre is this going through the i'm going the motions like, oh, i'm going to stop the boats and here's the rwanda bill. but he knows that legally stand legally it doesn't stand up. >> more not not >> i think there's more not not from rishi sunak, but some of the more hope the ministers more hope than expectation that expectation in this bill is that it might but will work? it might work, but will it work? i'm sure. i'm not so sure. >> someone shaking her head hasn't a hope in hell of hasn't got a hope in hell of working while we are still in the and i agreed with a the echr, and i agreed with a lot of what matthew said, but when he talks about russian dissidents, that what the dissidents, that is what the echr protect echr is there to protect them. >> protect citizens >> it's not to protect citizens from the british government. we don't need it. we can police ourselves. i mean, ourselves. what i think i mean, it's going to happen. rishi it's not going to happen. rishi will before this goes will have gone before this goes through. get anything through. if they get anything through. if they get anything through the echr through parliament, the echr will . they. i mean, will ground it. they. i mean, it's ridiculous. i don't mean ground flights. they'll ground the flights. they'll ground the flights. they'll ground what ground the whole thing. what rishi to, to check is when rishi needs to, to check is when you ask people about migration, the answer comes back . oh, the answer comes back. oh, they're more worried about the nhs. worried about nhs. they're more worried about the of but you the cost of living. but when you look figures , look at deeper into the figures, when people are told that net

migration 1.3 million, the city the size of birmingham in the last two years, 60% of british people think that that's too high by 87% of those who voted tory in 2019. think it's too high? ask them if net migration remains at its current rate. are they concerned about it ? um, 66% they concerned about it? um, 66% say they are 90% of those who voted tory. now that is it's that latter figure , 87, 90, 66, that latter figure, 87, 90, 66, 85. all these different questions about immigration and those are the people he has to worry about. he will not convince them. this rwanda thing will never, ever get off the ground because the european court, they will stop it. >> and cost £400 million. >> and it's cost £400 million. >> it is. >> p- 5 he is. however, >> however, he is. however, matthew playing for and he matthew playing for time and he hasn't it . hasn't got it. >> i'm worried about rishi sunak because i've been backing him all the way. i still think , i all the way. i still think, i still he is the better ceo still think he is the better ceo for the country than keir starmer. but going give starmer. but i'm going to give you right of reply. matthew you the right of reply. matthew um, my um, here, here are my two concerns about starmer . concerns about keir starmer. first all, he said that he

first of all, he said that he would the rwanda plan in would scrap the rwanda plan in quotes even it works. and quotes even if it works. and secondly, boats is not secondly, stop the boats is not on five missions. why not? on his five missions. why not? >> no. look, think to fair, >> no. look, i think to be fair, they should about they should talk more about immigration got immigration because labour's got a plan i was very a good plan in. i was very pleased say that it's the pleased to say that it's the plan. the plan is to smash the gangs the elite police force, gangs by the elite police force, uh, working border uh, working cross border by using anti—terrorism legislation. so we do things like take like the belgians do, take mobile phones off people and find who gangs they're find out who the gangs they're originating back . uh, you originating from back. uh, you can't turn the boats back in the middle of the english channel. i mean, it's just not possible. >> turn them back. well, >> turn them back. but well, some them onshore, some people take them onshore, move a safer and move them to a safer boat and send them. that would send them. well, that would conflict echr. conflict with the echr. >> what we want to do. >> what we want to do. >> there you go. >> there you go. >> but you want to >> you want, but you want to stop the before get on stop the flow before they get on the you want because the boat. you want to because it's good anybody that it's not good for anybody that they boats, they have the small boats, including who are on including the people who are on them, because such them, because we've seen such tragedies but if tragedies in the channel. but if the tories were serious about this, politicking, the tories were serious about this, would politicking, the tories were serious about this, would poldo king, the tories were serious about this, would poldo those two they would actually do those two things. number one, use the anti—terrorism legislation. things. number one, use the anti-wererism legislation. things. number one, use the anti-were seriousjislation. things. number one, use the anti-were seriousjislatioabout they were serious about about smashing the gangs and stopping the it's the boats. instead, it's political theatre and, you know, it's they're it's failing because they're not going anybody briefly.

going to send anybody briefly. >> apologies for my >> by the way, apologies for my choice language. anyone was choice language. if anyone was offended. the heat of political debate it. well, debate didn't hear it. well, i'll repeat it to you later. after the show. what did you say, james? >> problem n >> the problem is, is that i mean, but tories are mean, yes, but the tories are doing lot of this kind of doing a lot of this kind of stuff the of the stuff in the head of the national crime agency came out last said that not last year and said that it's not enough going to enough to say we're going to target you need enough to say we're going to ta|have you need enough to say we're going to ta|have a you need enough to say we're going to ta|have a deterrent.u need enough to say we're going to ta|have a deterrent. and need enough to say we're going to ta|have a deterrent. and that'si to have a deterrent. and that's what rwanda is hopefully going to do. this is why to do. and this is why keir starmer over christmas said although want the although he doesn't want the rwanda offshore rwanda plan, he wants offshore processing, which completely processing, which is completely different it's dealing deportation, it's dealing with them british them under british law. >> just. okay, do you >> but just. okay, well, do you know folks? >> but just. okay, well, do you knothis folks? >> but just. okay, well, do you knothis going folks? >> but just. okay, well, do you knothis going to lks? >> but just. okay, well, do you knothis going to come back >> this is going to come back in the line from you, the papers. one line from you, christine, the word christine, you get the last word because last word. because you are the last word. >> i don't think enough >> i don't think that enough people woken up to the people are fully woken up to the implications. need implications. you know, we need a home every five a new house, home every five minutes with minutes to cope with immigration. minutes. immigration. every five minutes. and how many are we building virtually go. >> there you go. >> there you go. >> let tell something. >> let me tell you something. >> let me tell you something. >> someone never talks bs >> someone that never talks bs and is christine hamilton. and that is christine hamilton. and matthew laza and she, as well as matthew laza and are back at 1030 and james heale are back at 1030 for papers. coming up, for the papers. but coming up, i'll more, i'll bring you lots more, including we've got i'll bring you lots more,

inclpapers we've got i'll bring you lots more, inclpapers off we've got i'll bring you lots more, inclpapers off the 've got i'll bring you lots more, inclpapers off the press.t the papers hot off the press. uh, can you guess how lindsay hoyle among hoyle sparked panic among parliamentarians hoyle sparked panic among parliarminister's questions? hoyle sparked panic among parliarminiwant; questions? hoyle sparked panic among parliarminiwant interruptions. >> we all want interruptions. >> we all want interruptions. >> please. it's very important. it's a very important and it's a very important topic. and it's a very important topic. and itake it's a very important topic. and i take seriously. alp members i take it seriously. alp members also start taking it seriously. >> there you go . but first, as >> there you go. but first, as it emerges, keir starmer was head of the crown prosecution service when it took three post office victims to court. is nigel farage right that he has questions answer? barrister questions to answer? barrister stephen goes up against stephen barrett goes up against human lawyer doctor human rights lawyer doctor shoaib khan in tonight's second head to head sparks will fly. a very busy hour to come. don't miss second. this is patrick miss a second. this is patrick christys tonight mark christys tonight with me. mark dolan

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news . you're watching patrick news. you're watching patrick christys tonight with me , mark dolan. >> i'm back tomorrow from nine till 11. and of course it's friday night live with me. mark dolan from eight till nine on friday. plus with you all friday. plus i'm with you all weekend. lovely to have weekend. it's lovely to have your company now. britain's liveliest is coming liveliest paper review is coming up. but first, sir keir starmer liveliest paper review is coming uffacing irst, sir keir starmer liveliest paper review is coming uffacing irst, sir questions1er is facing serious questions about role in the post about his role in the post office scandal after it emerged that the crown prosecution service dragged three innocent subpostmasters through the courts during the labour leader's tenure as director of pubuc leader's tenure as director of public prosecutions . whilst public prosecutions. whilst labour claimed that starmer was unaware of the cases. gb news presenter nigel farage took the labour leader to task, writing on twitter as the scandal grew and hundreds of innocent people

were convicted, starmer did nothing. it's time for some answers, says nigel. well let's have this out now. i'm delighted to welcome the barrister and writer stephen barrett and human rights lawyer shoaib khan . great rights lawyer shoaib khan. great to have both of you. with me. mr khan, if i could start with you, do you think that keir starmer has to answer here? has a case to answer here? >> i'm high. no i don't, i mean, i think for so many reasons really. um, firstly, i mean, there's a difference between saying a case to answer questions to answer. i think, you know, is something you know, that is something that we far, really. i we take quite far, really. i mean, at the time. mean, i was alive at the time. i have questions to answer about it. you know, the point is, were you no wasn't, you involved? no i wasn't, that's answered. so you involved? no i wasn't, thatpoint answered. so you involved? no i wasn't, thatpoint is, answered. so you involved? no i wasn't, thatpoint is, what answered. so you involved? no i wasn't, thatpoint is, what athe ered. so the point is, what is the question we want to ask him? um, secondly, mean, just looking secondly, i mean, just looking at, on for at, you know, it went on for more 15 years. um, and more than 15 years. um, and there were 4 or maybe dps there were 4 or 5 maybe dps dunng there were 4 or 5 maybe dps during time. are we during that time. are we suggesting all of them have questions we questions to answer, or are we just, um, uh, singling out keir starmer, mr khan? mr khan, just to interrupt you, we are

singling keir starmer out. >> i make no apologies for that because he's likely going to be our prime minister our next prime minister >> , but exactly. that's the >> yes, but exactly. that's the whole point. i don't see what the relevance of that is. i mean, obviously, if you look at it from his point of view, that might might that might have that might have, that might have that might have, that might so are we saying the might have. so are we saying the rest were on unethical? the other eventually it was also unethical by the other dps. >> but this guy wants to run the country and we're fine with that. >> so why aren't we investigating that ? we're not investigating that? we're not fine with that. i think we should investigate all okay, well, listen, i'll come back to the question very shortly. >> uh, stephen barrett , do you >> uh, stephen barrett, do you think starmer has think that keir starmer has a case to answer? he wasn't directly but directly involved, but it happened watch . well happened on his watch. well i think it's important for your viewers to notice that there. >> keir starmer has two titles or had two titles at the relevant time . one was director relevant time. one was director of public prosecutions and the other was head of the cps . so as other was head of the cps. so as director of public prosecutions, which is a role that's 145 director of public prosecutions,

which is a role that's145 years which is a role that's 145 years old, he has oversight, which he's publicly admitted of all prosecutions in the country. so all 700 prosecutions he has to answer for, really, because he could have intervened in any of them at any time. but and because there has been a vast move to defend him from that . if move to defend him from that. if you take the other title, director of the cps, what we are uncover ing and literally uncovering now is that the cps did directly prosecuted on behalf of the post office . some behalf of the post office. some of these individuals, when keir starmer was in charge of it. so in 2 in 2010, he prosecuted the pregnant. pregnant seamen . pregnant. pregnant seamen. mishra, who cries it's very moving on. the panorama documentary entirely innocent woman went to prison for 15 months. he his cps orchestrated that prosecution. now, yes, he must answer as director of the cps and as director of public prosecutions. both titles . both

prosecutions. both titles. both are a route to his own liability and if the cps is not really disclosing , it's really dragging disclosing, it's really dragging its heels on quite how often mr starmer or sir keir was involved , because they're guesstimating around 50 so far, 50 cases of the 700. well, let's let's see how that comes. if he's not liable, as my learned friend suggests . well, we paid him an suggests. well, we paid him an awful lot of public money to do this work. if he wasn't doing it. can we have can we have his money ? money back? >> so, khan, what's your response to the principle that the cps directly prosecuted these individuals and starmer is these individuals and starmer is the director of the cps and that these great miss carriages of justice happened on his watch? if i was in charge, i would at least apologise. why hasn't starmer . starmer. >> yeah, i mean , asking for an >> yeah, i mean, asking for an apology is a different thing . apology is a different thing. asking him to answer questions or suggesting he somehow accountable completely accountable is a completely different once

different thing. i think once you asking for apologies you start asking for apologies and i think people should apologise that, a huge apologise for that, it's a huge miscarriage goes miscarriage of justice. it goes right up to ministers, cabinet ministers the office, ministers the postal office, ministers , justice secretary, ministers, justice secretary, people in charge , the judges, people in charge, the judges, all of these people. why did no one notice what was happening? not not notice. not just about not notice. constituency's people? were these vulnerable pope innocent people were going to the m.p.s all time on a daily basis. all the time on a daily basis. campaigners, so many campaigners, lawyers. so many people. course, i mean , people. so of course, i mean, i'm apologies, but what i'm all for apologies, but what i'm all for apologies, but what i'm not for is singling him out just because he made the mistake of then entering politics and that's the thing. if we're looking at from a political point of view, as obviously, i mean, if i'm not wrong , i think mean, if i'm not wrong, i think stephen, know, he's tory stephen, you know, he's a tory councillor , so many who councillor, so many others who have of view, have political points of view, of might that. of course, they might want that. but legal point of view but from a legal point of view or a justice point of view, i mean, i don't think we should be singling. so that's the thing. are going to are we suggesting we're going to pursue 5 those dps? pursue all 4 or 5 of those dps? at least with equal vigour? um, and i mean, i think it's and also, i mean, i think it's ridiculous to suggest he's responsible all 700 when

responsible for all 700 when they were mostly private prosecutions . but even the three prosecutions. but even the three that brought, that the cps brought, he has already these, those were already said these, those were never came to his desk. so unless it comes that he's unless it comes out that he's lying or he was aware , he wasn't lying or he was aware, he wasn't even aware of show up, he was the boss. >> it happened on his watch. and when there's a scandal, the boss goes , look at dame alison rose goes, look at dame alison rose at , right? at natwest, right? >> well i mean, if he was >> yes. well i mean, if he was still there and this had transpired and we wanted him to 90, transpired and we wanted him to go, , i would probably have go, yes, i would probably have been that. but no, mean, been for that. but i no, i mean, where do want now? where do we want him to go now? that's point. are we that's the whole point. are we saying a pension? we saying he receives a pension? we want withdraw what do want to withdraw that. what do we to him and what do we want to do to him and what do we want to do to him and what do we want to do to all five of those dps? that's what want to those dps? that's what i want to know. was there, should know. if he was there, he should resign. uh, stephen, could know. if he was there, he should res politically ephen, could know. if he was there, he should respolitically motivated. could be politically motivated. >> commentators >> uh, perhaps commentators like yourself axe to yourself have a political axe to gnnd. grind. >> nah, i don't care. he he's liable if it's a conservative dpp, it would be exactly the same situation. let me quote mr starmer. in order to assist, uh, my friend there , i celebrated

my friend there, i celebrated victories on their behalf. i picked up awards on their behalves when they made mistakes, i carried the can. that's keir starmer's own words. he has to now carry the can because this is a grotesque , because this is a grotesque, grotesque abuse of justice. and he was in charge of prosecuting people . people. >> no doubt this one is going to run and run. stephen barrett, thank you so much for joining us.top thank you so much for joining us. top barrister and lawyer and the highly respected human rights khan. rights lawyer shoaib khan. gentlemen, that . gentlemen, thank you for that. your mark at your reaction, mark at gbnews.com. coming up, tonight's panel rejoin me to delve into tomorrow's newspaper front pages in the press pack . plus find out in the press pack. plus find out how speaker lindsay hoyle sparked panic among parliamentarians at today's prime minister's questions . prime minister's questions. >> don't want interruptions? >> don't want interruptions? >> . it's very important. >> please. it's very important. it's a very important topic and it's a very important topic and itake it's a very important topic and i take it seriously. i hope members wish to start members also wish to start taking seriously. members also wish to start tak find seriously. members also wish to start tak find outiously. members also wish to start tak find out nexty. members also wish to start tak find out next what happens.

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listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. >> this is patrick christie tonight with me, mark dolan with you tonight and tomorrow night only on gb news. now it's time to bring you tomorrow. those news tonight in the most entertaining paper review on telly and here is our first pack of front pages. hot off the press. let's go . american press. let's go. american express bank chief backs the expresses . save our cash expresses. save our cash campaign a very similar campaign to the one that was conducted here at gb news. grant shapps vows to act after attack on warship and justice post office victims will be cleared , says victims will be cleared, says the prime minister. metro pm's post office scandal planned justice by special delivery. the i pressure grows to punish post office scandal firm as victims

will be cleared days star next i think fay is that right? will be cleared days star next i think fay is that right ? let's think fay is that right? let's head to the stars star campaign to get a hero a knighthood after post office computer scandal. arise. missed debates. the daily star today demands post office hero alan bates be knighted for his fight for justice. i would support that fully. also, a daily telegraph post office handed out bonuses for convictions . i'll handed out bonuses for convictions. i'll bring you more on that in just a moment. new nuclear station will power 6 million homes is good news on the energy front. and british ship attacked in red sea by iran trained houthi rebels . okay, uh. trained houthi rebels. okay, uh. brilliant stuff. those are your front pages. let's get full reaction now from my fantastic , reaction now from my fantastic, brilliant panel. we have author and broadcaster christine hamilton, national legend no less, diary editor at the spectator, james heale oldest newspaper in the world. or at least magazine. i think so, yeah. >> longest running. >> longest running. >> there you go for a reason. and a former labour party adviser, the marvellous matthew laza. this an absolute laza. this is an absolute shocker . uh, james,

laza. this is an absolute shocker. uh, james, in laza. this is an absolute shocker . uh, james, in the laza. this is an absolute shocker. uh, james, in the daily telegraph post office investigate were offered cash bonuses for every subpostmaster convicted during the horizon scandal . all this goes from bad scandal. all this goes from bad to worse. doesn't it? >> completely. so this is evidence given to the ongoing post office inquiry , and it post office inquiry, and it confirms what we all thought , confirms what we all thought, which is there were which is that there were incentives try and get people incentives to try and get people jailed for these, um, know, jailed for these, um, you know, false allegations here. and according to the evidence given today some people today, uh, some of the people who were charged with putting these were these people in prison were getting more from their bonuses than were their actual than they were from their actual wages. there wages. so, of course, there was a financial to a great financial incentive to try people try and put innocent people behind and went on behind bars. and it went on for years, apparently. >> was a lot of >> yeah, there was a lot of cloak and dagger for business nigel farage and natwest and coutts to what they coutts with regard to what they were saying about him, what they weren't. there dossier weren't. there was a dossier which think, over which contained, i think, over 60 to brexit 60 references to brexit and about nigel didn't align about how nigel didn't align with values. then they with their values. then they said he was broke, then they apologised . um, said he was broke, then they apologised. um, is said he was broke, then they apologised . um, is there apologised. um, is there a problem in the corporate world? is what's happened at natwest

and the post office indicative of a culture of sleaze or corruption or obfuscation within our top businesses? >> i completely agree with that. and hypocrisy too. in that they sort of preach the values of inclusivity. and yet obviously what were was what they were doing was completely down some completely clamping down on some of most you best men of the most, you know, best men and society and the and women in our society and the backbones their communities backbones of their communities across country. and i across the whole country. and i think indicative think that it's indicative perhaps a computer says no perhaps of a computer says no system is right technology system is right where technology and the whims of bureaucracy was placed above ordinary people's lives, and now being lives, and now they're being paying lives, and now they're being paying for it for the paying the price for it for the last 20 years or so. >> matthew, you give me an >> matthew, can you give me an insight happened insight into what happened within culture of within the corporate culture of the post office? why did they behave an unkind and behave in such an unkind and cruel way? >> i mean, the honest answer is it's almost unfathomable. but in in this telegraph piece, there , in this telegraph piece, there, it looks like in 2021, when this is 2021, after the scandal was a being revealed and after the prime minister then prime minister boris johnson had committed to a public inquiry,

the they were still the number of prosecutions were still part of prosecutions were still part of this guy's bonus. so this of prosecutions were still part of this guy's bonus . so this is of this guy's bonus. so this is this is just extraordinary. so it's not even like oh we didn't you know, it took a while to get it. was a this is it. we thought it was a this is this is when the thing was, you know, boiling and know, at boiling point and a pubuc know, at boiling point and a public inquiry had been ordered know, at boiling point and a pub|it inquiry had been ordered know, at boiling point and a pub|itwas1iry had been ordered know, at boiling point and a pub|it was stilliad been ordered know, at boiling point and a pub|it was still involved.>rdered know, at boiling point and a pub|it was still involved. it'sred and it was still involved. it's literally total tone deafness to reality. and just on the it point, as we're moving into an era of ai, etc, which the prime minister is very keen to talk about, just reminds us that about, this just reminds us that computers are fallible. i don't want to sound an old, you want to sound like an old, you know, but the know, like somebody, but the computers mistakes and computers do make mistakes and they're only as good as the humans who program them or oversee we need to oversee them. and we need to realise that sometimes, you know, somebody with a with pen pad know, the pad and you know, doing the sums is . right. is right. right. >> this actually the first >> so is this actually the first i scanned ? i scanned? >> well, i don't know. i think this was i, i think it's sort of before, it's before i but it just to me it should be i guess a warning to us all software is al isn't it. ai isn't it. >> degree. >> to a degree. >> to a degree. >> but it's warning to us all >> but it's a warning to us all that we need to question you

know, although this that we need to question you kn0\an although this that we need to question you kn0\an arm's although this that we need to question you kn0\an arm's length though this that we need to question you kn0\an arm's length from h this that we need to question you kn0\an arm's length from “19115 was an arm's length from the government. i mean, it's yes, it's probably the biggest government all. government it scandal of all. um, we basically governments just anybody just seem to say yes to anybody who comes from a computer contractor them contractor and feeds them a product. yes. >> i want to look at >> christine, i want to look at the side this. well, the human side of this. well, and don't just the and i don't just mean the victims. talking about the victims. i'm talking about the people boardroom the people in the boardroom at the post when was post office. even when it was clear there something clear that there was something wrong software, wrong with this software, the post change tack. post office did not change tack. in fact, they doubled down. why? >> it's it is, as matthew said, it is completely unfathomable. and this story in the telegraph tomorrow is one of the worst aspects of the whole thing. that post office is gators were paid. yeah for every conviction. so they had a financial incentive to get these poor people. >> it feels like corruption to me . me. >> well, there's this guy called gary thomas who worked in the security team and he told the, uh, telegraph, are we here? yeah. no, he told the horizon. yeah. no, he told the horizon. yeah that the bonus targets affected about how he went on with his work. he branded all

subpostmasters as crooks . uh, it subpostmasters as crooks. uh, it is absolutely. and he said years later, mr thomas told his colleagues that he was pleased to have his hands on documents relating to mr wilson's case because he wanted to prove there was no case for the justice of thieving sub posters. they are all crooks. they had a mindset that was determined to find these people guilty. and the other thing in this article, which i have been completely horrified by, is apparently fujitsu to this japanese firm at the heart of the scandal has been awarded since the 2019 legal ruling that found that their software was at fault. since we knew it was their software, they'd been awarded nearly £5 billion worth of government . government. >> it's astonishing. >> it's astonishing. >> is going rewarding failure, rewarding corruption? it's mind boggling. >> i've got a good news story for you, james heale. it's also in the telegraph . new nuclear in the telegraph. new nuclear station power 6 million station will power 6 million homes. britain is to build a nuclear power station with a capacity to power as many as 6

million households under plans to boost energy security hit to boost energy security and hit net zero targets. about time , net zero targets. about time, about time. >> well, quite right. and of course, it's important that we have whole different range of have a whole different range of energy yeah, a mix basket. energy mix. yeah, a mix basket. you got nuclear as well as green etc. and, and by the way, dare i say a bit of oil and gas as well. well i mean what rather than bringing in liquid uquefied liquefied natural gas from places or america places like qatar or america etc. what we have on etc. why not use what we have on our natural shoreline and in supporting british jobs that capacity? >> hmm. um, matthew, you >> hmm. um, matthew, do you think keir starmer is regretting , uh, his commitment to not grant any oil and gas licenses when he becomes prime minister? >> it's not grant any new ones. we labour is committed to exhausting the north sea assets that we have because we will still need gas. but crucially , still need gas. but crucially, labouris still need gas. but crucially, labour is in favour of nuclear energy . uh, labour is in favour of nuclear energy. uh, as a proud member of trade unionists for safe nuclear energy, there's a big lot of energy, there's a big a lot of lobby in the labour party for nuclear pro—nuclear power. for a very long time. used to have very long time. it used to have to the num the to dispute with the num and the coal lobby back in the day. uh,

and the kind classic and that's the kind of classic battle. a problem. battle. not so much a problem. now, know, as as now, you know, as they as that industry declined. but industry has declined. but but we see this delivered we need to see this delivered because we're still behind schedule two that schedule on the two that have been moment. been built at the moment. >> already nationally >> we've already paid nationally a this rush a massive price for this rush for and i mean, it's for net zero. and i mean, it's about time we got up and didn't the lib dems the dems the lib dems didn't the lib dems crow about stopping our nuclear projects in 2010? >> i think i think was it was it, uh, nick clegg, who said, oh, the problem is that it won't come online till 2023. that was last year . yeah, could use it how. >> now. >> the year that we needed it. above if we think above all else, if we think about energy prices last above all else, if we think aboutlet's energy prices last above all else, if we think aboutlet's have|y prices last above all else, if we think aboutlet's have let'sces last year, let's have let's have a quick right reply from the quick right to reply from the post office who said the bonus scheme were talking about was scheme we were talking about was rightly being investigated by the public inquiry? >> spokesman we share >> a spokesman has said we share fully of the public fully the aims of the public inquiry truth of inquiry to get to the truth of what wrong in the past and what went wrong in the past and establish accountability. it's for its own for the inquiry to reach its own independent conclusions. after consideration of all of the evidence on the issues that it is examined . owning, um, does is examined. owning, um, does that doesn't the heart of that doesn't go to the heart of the issue . the issue. >> it's like it's mind boggling. >> of course. now, christine,

this is going to go away as this is not going to go away as a but got another a story, but i've got another good for you, okay? good news story for you, okay? because put smile on because i want to put a smile on your face and my listeners and viewers, okay. women key viewers, okay. women are the key to recruitment to army recruitment crisis. women to the women are the solution to the armed recruitment crisis. armed forces recruitment crisis. grant said. grant shapps has said. what do you more women you think more women in the military, more battleaxes like your self? military, more battleaxes like youabsolutely.’ military, more battleaxes like youabsolutely. well women are >> absolutely. well women are the to everything. the answer to everything. frankly i haven't seen that story. think we story. but do you think we should deploy female talents in the more? yeah, the military more? yeah, of course if female course we should. if female talent should permeating talent should be permeating through every aspect of everything, what? >> what do you think? >> what do you think? women. >> what do you think? women. >> we're not going to disagree with that. you think? with that. what do you think? >> do >> you wouldn't dare. what do you bring to the military? >> i don't the idea of >> i don't like the idea of women on on the battlefield. i'm afraid they have afraid i'm not. i know they have them the israeli army, them in the israeli army, apparently, that seems apparently, but that just seems very yes, very unfeminine. but yes, of course, should course, women's brains should be utilised. some women can be quite >> look, some women can be quite physically fearsome. they should have with dolan now, have a word with mrs. dolan now, recent she's recent polls have. she's normally in bed by now. um. >> recent polls. i hope so, for your . your sake. >> uh, yes. recent polls have been so for the tories that been so dire for the tories that you the speaker,

you might forgive the speaker, lindsay hoyle, for momentarily forgetting who the prime minister is during minister actually is during prime minister's questions. take a listen for once. >> interruptions, please. >> interruptions, please. >> it's very important. it's a very important topic. >> take seriously. >> and i take it seriously. i hope members also wish to start taking it seriously. >> minister mr speaker. >> prime minister mr speaker. >> prime minister mr speaker. >> ouch. there you go. what's the most getting practice in a bit of practice? >> a labour mp after all. >> a labour mp after all. >> well, he was yeah, yeah, the most freudian. >> a freudian slips i will say, matthew, that keir starmer does >> a freudian slips i will say, mattione that keir starmer does >> a freudian slips i will say, mattione problem, starmer does >> a freudian slips i will say, mattione problem, right.er does >> a freudian slips i will say, mattione problem, right. he's es have one problem, right. he's streets in the polls. he's streets ahead in the polls. he's very likely be our next prime very likely to be our next prime minister. is he's minister. the problem is he's got about 7 or 8 months now of scrutiny , hasn't he? it's much scrutiny, hasn't he? it's much better to be outsider that no better to be an outsider that no one studies. >> oh, i mean, you know, >> oh, look, i mean, you know, we in the first days of we had in the first few days of this had the, um, this year, we had the, um, labour very by labour had been very clever by forcing prime minister forcing the prime minister to cancel the election, labour would for an would be desperate for an election in may because it's less and also, you less scrutiny. and also, you don't spend much don't have to spend that much money campaigning between now money on campaigning between now and year. and the and the end of the year. and the tories have got more money than

laboun tories have got more money than labour, even though tories have got more money than labour, are even though tories have got more money than labour, are coming ugh tories have got more money than labour, are coming inh tories have got more money than labour, are coming in in way donations are coming in in a way they didn't in the corbyn. >> in confidence to >> i spoke in confidence to a top tory insider earlier today. james heale okay, you're the diary so diary man. the spectator, so you've better contacts. you've got even better contacts. but to but this individual said to me, i said, what is this i said, look what about is this a from prime a double bluff from the prime minister? he says, minister? and in fact, he says, actually may. what are the actually it is may. what are the chances that? chances of that? >> uh, i think more against than for i do think it'll be autumn just the polls are so just because the polls are so bad go to bad right now. you can't go to the polls. you're 20 points behind the polls. so i think that autumn. that is going to be an autumn. but to keep it open. but he wants to keep it open. and why to and that's why he tried to wrongfoot starmer. >> go. that's it. >> there you go. well that's it. uh, that's a fascinating uh, look, that's a fascinating debate. next, the debate. coming up next, the shocking of triple shocking story of a triple amputee hero his amputee war hero who had his prosthetic a car prosthetic legs stolen in a car park in london. and we'll discuss in brilliant, discuss that in our brilliant, greatest britain and union jackass item . but next up, we're jackass item. but next up, we're going through more of going to run you through more of the the day in the big stories of the day in our pack, and which top our press pack, and which top politician has been exposed as a huge eco hypocrite? i'll be naming and shaming .

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time, we'll come back to that reaction from author and broadcaster christine hamilton, diary editor at the spectator, james heale and former labour party adviser matthew laza . now, party adviser matthew laza. now, could you believe it? the mayor of london, sadiq khan, has been blasted as the ultimate virtue signaller after admitting , blasted as the ultimate virtue signaller after admitting, amid breaking revelations that he racked up 80,000 air miles last year. racked up 80,000 air miles last year . so this racked up 80,000 air miles last year. so this guy racked up 80,000 air miles last year . so this guy is an eco year. so this guy is an eco warrior who racked up 80 000 air miles in a year , whilst telling miles in a year, whilst telling brits not to fly the ultra green mayor has repeatedly warned londoners that the world is facing climate collapse, yet he's come under fire for taking nearly a dozen flights across the globe in 2022 for official dufies the globe in 2022 for official duties , including wait for it, duties, including wait for it, a climate conference in new york and a trip to west coast america , where he visited 2023, i should say, where he visited a cannabis farm. so there you go. well, that's not a surprise, is it, james? another politician , it, james? another politician, another hypocrite. well i think what's really quite galling about sadiq khan's is just the

way in which he's not even doing the basics right, and that's what i think a lot of londoners are right now, is are frustrated right now, is that sense perhaps, that there's a sense perhaps, that there's a sense perhaps, that in is of that crime in london is out of control and they see him control and then they see him doing things, for instance, like going cannabis farm, going to say to a cannabis farm, which something which isn't even something he can control, which is decriminalisation of cannabis, which had which is why he's now had to push the long grass. push it into the long grass. >> so i it's going to be >> so i think it's going to be an that we see more of an issue that we see more of hopefully coming into hopefully coming up into the mayoral may later hopefully coming up into the mayyear. may later hopefully coming up into the mayyear. yeah may later hopefully coming up into the mayyear. yeah mostviay later hopefully coming up into the mayyear. yeah most definitely. this year. yeah most definitely. >> it, we? >> we've seen it, haven't we? with the sussexes as well, making speeches about the environment. but pretty much living the living in a private jet. the pubuc living in a private jet. the public to public don't take kindly to these today. these double standards today. well, particularly well, not particularly as we saw dunng well, not particularly as we saw during the which during covid, the way in which zoom conduct zoom can be used to conduct a lot these of things. lot of these kind of things. >> think there's a certain >> so i think there's a certain importance on keeping taxpayers >> so i think there's a certain importanc safe keeping taxpayers >> so i think there's a certain importanc safe and)ing taxpayers >> so i think there's a certain importancsafe and making)ayers >> so i think there's a certain importancsafe and making sures money at safe and making sure that aren't too eco hypocritical. >> although, matthew, is this hypocritical. >> albecause matthew, is this hypocritical. >> albecause actually is this hypocritical. >> albecause actually he's1is hypocritical. >> albecause actually he's the petty because actually he's the mayor of one great cities mayor of one of the great cities of world. he's flying the of the world. he's flying the flag he's flag for this country. he's going there, drumming going out there, he's drumming up business. making noise up business. he's making noise for capital. for the capital. >> turns out he's taken a >> and it turns out he's taken a lot fewer flights than the previous mayor of london the previous mayor of london and the now former prime minister, mr

johnson himself . so, look, i johnson himself. so, look, i think, you know, in senses think, you know, in some senses it is petty, but politics is about perception and the perception , i think, is that he perception, i think, is that he does like to swan about on the world stage. he does like to position himself for an international job in the future, because he's got to do something when eventually he stands down, or case or indeed, if his case is defeated may. so with the defeated in may. so with the level of knife crime , etc. with level of knife crime, etc. with the revelations today that london is the slowest city in the world, that the average speed of vehicles is the slowest of any city surveyed in this . of any city surveyed in this. >> in these closely followed by cardiff, probably closely followed by yeah , but the um. followed by yeah, but the um. >> but therefore i think if you, you know, if you as james says, if the bread and butter isn't seen to be delivering, somebody once said, and it was right, all politics yeah politics is local. yeah >> i mean, the only thing is i'm actually not going be actually i'm not going to be hypocritical myself this, hypocritical myself about this, christine. the reason is christine. and the reason why is because i think it's stupid when they say, oh, the prime minister took a helicopter to a meeting. they say, oh, the prime minister tooilikeielicopter to a meeting. they say, oh, the prime minister tooilike he's pter to a meeting. they say, oh, the prime minister

tooilike he's the to a meeting. they say, oh, the prime minister tooilike he's the primeneeting. it's like he's the prime minister of the united kingdom . minister of the united kingdom. and i'd rather that he concentrated on the job at hand and travelled safely and travelled swiftly and safely and travelled swiftly and safely and therefore , i guess and actually therefore, i guess the same for the london mayor >> mean, in a way it is >> yeah. i mean, in a way it is a and matthew has a bit petty. and matthew has pointed , um, point i was pointed out, um, point i was going make about is pointed out, um, point i was gointhe make about is pointed out, um, point i was gointhe slowestbout is pointed out, um, point i was gointhe slowest city. is pointed out, um, point i was gointhe slowest city. and is now the slowest city. and why? because of this 20 mile because of all this 20 mile business all the congestion business and all the congestion because let's keep air because of his. let's keep air quality etc. etc. so on quality pure, etc. etc. so on the one hand, it's all it's all wanting to be very eco and the other. but you know, the previous mayor made 34 international visits. that's bofis international visits. that's boris , 34 international visits. boris, 34 international visits. sadiq has made 11, so it's a tad petty . but if you get yourself petty. but if you get yourself up on a pedestal, you have to be prepared to knock down. whether you're sadiq khan or the sussexes or emma thompson and all these luvvies who preached, they don't worry the people they worry about, they don't want you to get on a plane, but they don't worry about their air miles, you're the one who shouldn't be flying, not them. that's about. that's what it's all about. >> well, a spokesman for the mayor london is

mayor of london said london is a global and mayor and global city, and the mayor and his make no apology for his team make no apology for banging the for capital banging the drum for the capital overseas growth and overseas to promote growth and to and to generate new trade and investment to generate new trade and investmichange the biggest climate change is the biggest threat our planet, with threat facing our planet, with cities responsible of cities responsible for 70% of carbon . carbon emissions worldwide. yeah, because all the yeah, that's because all the people there anyway, people live there anyway, this is sadiq has is precisely why sadiq has attended overseas to lead attended events overseas to lead critical discussions on the direct action. major cities can take to help tackle the climate crisis , whilst creating millions crisis, whilst creating millions of new green jobs. okay well, look, let's get to my panels . look, let's get to my panels. nominations for greatest britain and union jackass. nominations for greatest britain and union jackass . christine and union jackass. christine who's your greatest britain? >> well, my greatest britain on the question of flights, etc. is somebody who doesn't have a bag carrier. she doesn't go on a helicopter. she does occasionally in this country, but she doesn't go on a helicopter. she doesn't go on a private jet. she takes a commercial flight and is princess anne, who's just arrived lanka carrying arrived in sri lanka carrying the flag us, she's the most the flag for us, she's the most down to earth common sense, ordinary person , and she is ordinary person, and she is absolutely amazing . and if she

absolutely amazing. and if she isn't a greatest briton, then i don't know. >> i'm the biggest fan of princess. >> a woman, princess anne. >> a woman, princess anne. >> most definitely is. she >> she most definitely is. she is. i think statistically the hardest member of the hardest working member of the royal family. >> year, after year. >> year after year, after year. it's just the she's it's not just the she's a beautiful elegant who beautiful and elegant woman who recycles her outfits. >> she doesn't waste money and she's very humble . she's had she's very humble. she's had quite a challenging personal life, a divorce, but she now happily married a couple of great kids and she's lived a life, hasn't she? >> and she made the very sensible decision in my opinion, was to give her children was not to give her children royal titles. they miss royal titles. so they were miss and master , miss r and master and master, miss r and master peter. and haven't they turned out well? >> most definitely. how about you, your greatest you, james? your greatest britain today? >> embarrassingly also >> well, the embarrassingly also went for a royal, which was actually middleton today actually a kate middleton today and the princess of wales. and that's of a front page that's because of a front page story today. of the story today. one of the newspaper, which is that from one the postmasters who've one of the postmasters who've suffered this suffered through all this in berkshire , who knew the berkshire, who knew the middleton all their life. middleton family all their life. and he said the middleton and he said that the middleton family stood by him when he was

being the office being pursued by the post office wrongfully for one of the convictions, the convictions, and that at the same time, there was a lot of the villagers the locals and the villagers were shaming the were sort of shaming him. the middleton them. they middleton stood by them. they ianed middleton stood by them. they invited to william invited them to william and kate's 2011, and kate's wedding back in 2011, and then when finally got justice then when he finally got justice for wrongful pursuit of for this wrongful pursuit of £16,000 in 2021, the family all congratulated him. so i thought, good on the kate middleton and her family standing with him i >> definitely. and it's nice >> [you'vely. and it's nice >> [you've nominated nice >> [you've nominated her�* >> [you've nominated her on the that you've nominated her on the week of her birthday. are you noficed week of her birthday. are you noticed she she's turned 42. she doesn't she? doesn't look it does she? christine. she's like christine. she's like she's like you. from the you. she drinks from the fountain of eternal youth. >> i was forced. can >> i wish i was forced. can i tell you william's a lucky man, but not as lucky as neil is all to say. >> but can i? to say. >> but can 1? such a charmer. i try, james, can i quickly get your reaction to this developing story in the mail? rishi sunak changed to quash changed its law to quash convictions, news. convictions, which is good news. but looms over out of but a row looms over out of touch offer those not touch offer for those not charged, whose lives were charged, but whose lives were destroyed. i mean, this settlement a lot is going to be in the small print, isn't it? >> hugely. and i suspect that what saw today is just the

what we saw today is just the beginning think one silver beginning and i think one silver lining, to talk lining, perhaps to the talk about politics being failure, etc, now that we've etc, is that now that we've actually seen the whole row break out in public, i suspect things lot faster things will move a lot faster because real impetus is because the real impetus is there and you've to keep it there and you've got to keep it up in the weeks. well hope so up in the weeks. well i hope so because the infected blood. >> scandal has been going since the going to set the 70s. covid is going to set until we still haven't until till 26. we still haven't got closure on the grenfell tower 1 tower business and there's 1 or 2 mean, these things 2 others. i mean, these things take forever. >> i think the infected blood scandal, going scandal, which is going to cost 10 billion to settle the 10 billion plus to settle the slightly into slightly being pushed into the medium grass by tories medium terms grass by the tories because they want to because they don't want to commit billion before the commit to 10 billion before the election. i think you're going to now. that's to see that come up now. that's the next thing, isn't it, if the next big thing, isn't it, if we this space, it's we watch this space, but it's the it's the little the little man, it's the little man, little man squeezed man, the little man squeezed james briefly. man, the little man squeezed james liiefly. man, the little man squeezed james ll just where >> no, i just think where we were alex short was were yesterday, alex short was saying, you take the saying, oh, you know, take the law, etc. 24 hours on law, process, etc. 24 hours on rishi kevin hollinrake law, process, etc. 24 hours on rishto kevin hollinrake law, process, etc. 24 hours on rishto make kevin hollinrake law, process, etc. 24 hours on rishto make these vin hollinrake law, process, etc. 24 hours on rishto make these statements, le law, process, etc. 24 hours on rishto make these statements, so had to make these statements, so i will move bit i think things will move a bit quicker. hope so. quicker. i bloody hope so. >> listen, matthew, quicker. i bloody hope so. >> uh,isten, matthew, quicker. i bloody hope so. >> uh, you're iiatthew, quicker. i bloody hope so. >> uh, you're onthew, quicker. i bloody hope so. >> uh, you're onthevi same you're, uh, you're on the same team james on the post office. >> mine is labour mp kevin

jones, uh, who has been one of those who's been campaigning hard over many years, uh, for the, subpostmasters and the, uh, subpostmasters and mistresses. night, james mistresses. last night, james arbuthnot . they arbuthnot was nominated. they were tory mp, a were the former tory mp, now a tory worked very tory peer. they've worked very closely along sir closely together along with sir david tories. it's david davis, the tories. so it's a cross—party. shows a it's cross—party. it shows that people in the the that some people in the in the comments hard comments were asking hard questions and he's my winner. >> to get it to my >> you're going to get it to my matthew because jones matthew because uh, kevin jones did did the did his bit as did the aforementioned last night as aforementioned mp last night as well. two heroes who spoke up okay. now briefly, christine, your union jackass. >> my union. oh well, i mean, >> oh my union. oh well, i mean, ineednt >> oh my union. oh well, i mean, i needn't explain , sir. dead. i needn't explain, sir. dead. davy. there you go. >> that's all you need. >> that's all you need. >> uh, all you need. >> uh, all you need. >> you. you're saying he's, uh. he's in trouble? leader of the lib dems. >> hypocrite. >> hypocrite. >> james, you're, uh. well, we don't names, actually, don't know the names, actually, but who but they're the thieves who rather stole the rather callously stole the poor. >> legs of of >> the prosthetic legs of one of britain's, former war britain's, um, former war heroes. who steals heroes. uh, for mark, who steals the leg. the prosthetic leg. >> quite. >> well, quite. >> well, quite. >> and hopefully we'll find out from from this. from the publicity from this. >> they worth? from the publicity from this. >> very they worth? from the publicity from this. >> very little. they worth? >> very little. >> very little. >> many know, but but like to this many thousands of this man, many thousands of pounds. yes. >> well, completely. and >> well, completely. yeah. and the go and get

the stress having to go and get them was shocker. them all. and he was a shocker. >> like you can sell it >> it's not like you can sell it down the pub is it. most definitely not. >> but i mean the cost to him isn't him could isn't it. the cost to him could be tens of thousands. briefly if you can. >> minus p“ >> yeah. minus gareth jenkins, the built the the tech expert who built the discredited, post office discredited, uh, post office horizon. system. um, horizon. it system. um, gave evidence that led to convictions. what? evidence that led to conwants|s. what? evidence that led to conwants impunity what? evidence that led to conwants impunity for what? evidence that led to conwants impunity for himself. t? he wants impunity for himself. immunity impunity, immunity rather than impunity, both before both for himself before he appears the inquiry. appears at the public inquiry. okay well, going give it okay well, i'm going to give it to idiot criminals who stole to the idiot criminals who stole that lovely man's , uh, special that lovely man's, uh, special prosthetic . prosthetic legs. >> thank you for your company tonight. brilliant panel, tonight. my brilliant panel, my excellent behind the glass. excellent team behind the glass. i'll see you tomorrow for one last at headliners last hurrah at 9:00. headliners is next. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar for sponsors of whether on . gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. clear skies in the south overnight. cold and frosty in places, but actually a lot of cloud is

covering the uk and that cloud is being carried from the east and northeast by an area of high pressure sitting to the north. now the high pressure is generally keeping things settled at the moment, although we have seen some drizzly showers in places the has been places where the cloud has been low enough, especially for eastern northeastern england eastern and northeastern england . we keep that going through the night. it to night. the ten it tends to become drier for many, however , become drier for many, however, and with clear skies in the south as well as for western scotland, there will be a frost in places. so a chilly start to the day. frost free for the nonh the day. frost free for the north sea coast. but here the day. frost free for the north sea coast . but here we've north sea coast. but here we've got that easterly or northeasterly wind, so feeling cold there'll be fewer showers across northern england , across northern england, southern scotland, wales compared with wednesday. actually plenty of dry weather. best of any sunshine will be limited to the southwest of england, southwest wales and increasingly central and western scotland. otherwise, a lot of cloud building through the day and that cloud by friday morning is sitting across england and wales predominantly. so frost free, but grey skies to begin

things. some fog around as well . things. some fog around as well. scotland and northern ireland. brighter skies , but a chilly brighter skies, but a chilly start with a widespread frost and then colder conditions arrive from the north on saturday and into sunday. cold enough for frequent snow showers in the far north by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers i >> sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> you're with gb news. good evening. the top story tonight. wrongly accused post office workers will have their names cleared end of the year. cleared by the end of the year. following horizon. it following the horizon. it software scandal. postal services minister kevin hollinrake said today that new legislation to exonerate subpostmasters in england and wales will be introduced within weeks. the government also announced an up front payment of £75,000 in compensation for those who were jailed or bankrupted as a result of the flawed software which wrongly showed money was missing . mr showed money was missing. mr hollinrake said victims will get the justice they deserve . the justice they deserve. >> i intend to bring forward legislation as soon as we can to overturn the convictions of all those convicted in england or wales on the basis of post office evidence given during the honzon office evidence given during the

horizon scandal . the government