this is britain's january. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> very good morning to you. breaking news, sven—goran eriksson that he is eriksson has said that he is dying of cancer. he's got less than a year to we're going than a year to live. we're going to reaction to this to be getting reaction to this very sad but very honest news from and justice for the victims. >> at last, the prime minister vows to right the wrongs of the post office scandal. but should fujitsu, the firm responsible for the faulty computer software, the price . software, pay the price. >> is he the ultimate virtue signaller .7 is the london mayor signaller.7 is the london mayor a complete hypocrite flying tens of thousands of miles while preaching to everyone about climate change? i can answer that question for you. i think we both can. >> and the crown up for sale. find out how you can get your hands on that gold stake carriage as netflix sells its props for that award winning hit tv series . as. tv series. as. >> so any item from the crown

that you'd want to buy? >> i stopped watching it. >> i stopped watching it. >> have you? yeah. it sort of runs out of steam a bit, doesn't it? >> and i know it's a drama so they can take any liberties they like with history, but i just find it so intense, irritating. it was so ridiculous at times. i can't bothered this. it was so ridiculous at times. i canwell,bothered this. it was so ridiculous at times. i canwell, we'll'ed this. it was so ridiculous at times. i canwell, we'll show this. it was so ridiculous at times. i canwell, we'll show yomis. it was so ridiculous at times. i canwell, we'll show you some of >> well, we'll show you some of the items that you could buy. if you fan of the crown you are still a fan of the crown and what they might cost you, we've got that. and lots, lots more. this morning. first though, latest news though, your very latest news with francis . bev turner with sam francis. bev turner andrew, thank you very much. >> good morning from the gb news room i'm sam francis, our top story at just after 930, a post office in investigator stephen bradshaw, who held a role in bradshaw, who held a key role in the criminal investigation of nine subpostmasters, will give evidence in the inquiry. he hundreds of staff were convicted, jailed and bankrupted as they were wrongly accused of theft. the justice secretary says fujitsu should repay the money spent on the post office scandal if it's found culpable .

scandal if it's found culpable. it comes as the pressure grows on the firm behind the faulty honzon on the firm behind the faulty horizon software , which made it horizon software, which made it appear as though money was missing from shops. alex chalk says if fujitsu is to blame, ministers should launch legal action against them and claim compensation for the cost to the taxpayer . the authorities are taxpayer. the authorities are investigating reports of armed intruders boarding a vessel off the coast of oman this morning . the coast of oman this morning. it comes after the british navy vessel destroyed several drones fired by houthi rebels at ships in the region, the uk and us governments have said any further escalation will result in retaliation . in defence in retaliation. in defence editor of the evening standard robert fox, says the situation could escalate now. >> one of the big changes yesterday was quantity and also quality . they attacked the main quality. they attacked the main warship force for the first time in a big way . and if this goes in a big way. and if this goes on, they will. they've got the target sets, they will attack houthi bases on the yemen

mainland on that east side of the red sea. you're quite right. it's an escalation . it's an escalation. >> meanwhile, jeremy corbyn will join a south african delegation for the country's upcoming case against israel, accusing them of genocide. the former labour leader will attend the hearings in the hague, and he's the only foreign political figure named as of the delegation . it as part of the delegation. it comes as mr corbyn had publicly described hamas terrorist described hamas as a terrorist group , but accused the israeli group, but accused the israeli army of being guilty of acts of terror to israel's president has called the case filed by south africa as atrocious and preposterous , and the princess preposterous, and the princess royal has started her second day of engagements in sri lanka by visiting a buddhist temple. it's part of princess anne's visit to mark 75 years of diplomacy with britain. the temple of the sacred tooth relic is the most significant buddhist temple in sri lanka . the princess will sri lanka. the princess will then travel to jaffna to visit northern communities and hear about the local public library ,

about the local public library, and you can hear more on all of those stories by visiting our website gbnews.com now though. more from andrew and bev . more from andrew and bev. >> hey, good morning. it's 934 now. sven—goran eriksson has revealed that he's got terminal cancer and only has a year to live. >> he's the former england football manager. he announced the news saying i have to fight as long as possible . as long as possible. >> eriksson managed the three lions for five years between 2001 and 2006. he stepped away from football few months ago from football a few months ago and at the time said there were unspecified health concerns . as well. >> jason johnson is our very own sports presenter paul coyte paul sports presenter paul coyte paul. even someone like me who you know what i know about football, you could write on the back of a shrunken postage back of a badly shrunken postage stamp, knows all about stamp, right? knows all about sven—goran extra because every sunday glory days of the sunday in the glory days of the news of world, there he was. news of the world, there he was. he transcended the sports pages because such a colourful because he was such a colourful figure and oddly, popular

because he was such a colourful figurwomen. idly, popular with women. >> he was very popular with women um, really about women and, um, really about football, i mean, he football, though, i mean, he came in around 2001. >> and where did he come from? >> and where did he come from? >> well, he'd been at lazio, see, the thing is, he'd been extremely successful . i mean, extremely successful. i mean, obviously a swedish manager, been extremely successful over in italy and then england were looking after kevin keegan, thinking we need a winner. what do we do ? and it was the first do we do? and it was the first time that they'd actually decided appoint foreign decided to appoint a foreign coach. he came in and even the magic of sven—goran eriksson still work on england still couldn't work on england because the time, england because at the time, the england side, this was this golden generation. everybody always refers golden generation refers to this golden generation . generation did not . the golden generation did not actually win anything. got actually win anything. he got england quarter finals of england to the quarter finals of two world cups and also euros as well, so that magic did not work as far as england was concerned. but also you say about being the colourful figure that he he is or was or at that time, um, the papers at the time, that was it. it was very much looking for anything around the england side

that would then sell newspapers , that would then sell newspapers, and it didn't help them and it didn't help him. and it didn't help them and it did it help him. and it didn't help them and it did i suppose m. and it didn't help them and it didi suppose his and it didn't help them and it did i suppose his failure to >> i suppose his failure to succeed on pitch, people succeed on the pitch, people would probably said perhaps would have probably said perhaps if he spent time being if he spent less time being distracted because always distracted because he always appeared have some, uh, woman appeared to have some, uh, woman on his arm, i think, or richard johnson, nancy dell'olio, that's the lawyer who a the lawyer who became a celebrity right. celebrity in her own right. >> don't think it's one of >> but i don't think it's one of those things, really. andrew, where you can look at it and say, only he'd spent say, well, if only he'd spent less enjoying himself and less time enjoying himself and spent time on the football. spent more time on the football. >> bet did say that. >> i bet people did say that. >> i bet people did say that. >> well, people will always say it, but we know it's a nonsense. >> know a nonsense >> we know it's a nonsense because he's always going to be. he's dedicated to he's a professional dedicated to his still have his work. people still have to have lives, amazingly, his work. people still have to have at lives, amazingly, his work. people still have to have at the lives, amazingly, his work. people still have to have at the time,1es, amazingly, his work. people still have to have at the time, the amazingly, his work. people still have to have at the time, the newspapers and at the time, the newspapers were always looking for something certainly something and it certainly distracted away from the football . football. >> and funnily enough, how he's revealed this, um, diagnosis is very much how he used to do his sports interviews, wasn't he? he was. he was never a passionate figure those interviews. very figure in those interviews. very laid uh, very sort of

laid back, uh, very sort of typically swedish, actually. yeah um, and he's very matter of fact about it. he was asked by the p1 radio station in sweden and he said, i've got maybe at best a year, at worst a little less, or at best maybe even longer. you can't absolutely longer. you can't be absolutely sure, it's better not sure, he said. it's better not to about it. to think about it. >> yeah, really. and the thing is, it's always difficult, especially because you want especially now, because you want to talk about him and talk about what he's done. the man is still alive . um, when you reveal alive. um, and when you reveal either he what is he, 73, 75? either is he what is he, 73, 75? yeah. thing is , when yeah. and the thing is, when he's revealed that and said, well , possibly he's revealed that and said, well, possibly a year to he's revealed that and said, well , possibly a year to live, well, possibly a year to live, well, possibly a year to live, we know . and of course, we don't know. and of course, nobody knows nobody ever knows when a diagnosis way. diagnosis comes this way. um, but he did reveal this on, on, on radio was just this morning, and it really is. it's just really difficult to be able to talk about him in the past tense when, of course, the man is still alive now. yeah, extraordinary. >> he said he did he was >> he said he was. he did he was doing a five kilometre run last yeah doing a five kilometre run last year. had a stroke and then year. he had a stroke and then he as well. um, he developed cancer as well. um, but he's obviously still doing interviews. he's obviously still

alive around. and like he says, he, he wants carry on he, he wants to carry on fighting for as long as he can. i think what it was, bev, i think people had seen, he didn't look well. >> okay. and it was one of those things where away from football. absolutely. and he was and where he and he was at karlstad, he was and he was at karlstad, which he was sporting which is he was the sporting director stepped away director there. he stepped away from ago because from that 11 months ago because of and often of ill health. and as often happens, in a situation like happens, if in a situation like this, someone doesn't look well, they why is. and they wonder why this is. and then speculation and then the speculation grew and grew grew. had no grew and grew. so he had no choice. i mean, this choice. so i mean, this is a situation where he would actually well, actually actually say, well, actually people that it's people are saying that it's cancen can people are saying that it's cancer. can say it is cancer. i can say that it is cancer. i can say that it is cancer and it's terminal. >> gareth southgate, the famous quote him, he we quote about him, as he said, we wanted and we quote about him, as he said, we wanian and we quote about him, as he said, we wanian duncan and we quote about him, as he said, we wanian duncan smith and we quote about him, as he said, we wanian duncan smith aboutd we quote about him, as he said, we wanian duncan smith about thee got ian duncan smith about the half time talks because he wasn't like he wasn't the dynamic character. >> well, i've spoken to players of southgate. >> who's the england manager. >> who's the england manager. >> yeah, i know now cattle >> yeah, i know he's now cattle etc. yeah yeah yeah. etc. yeah, yeah yeah yeah. >> anything about >> you never read anything about him. married man him. he's happily married man with and he just gets with his kids and he just gets on with it doesn't it? yeah, exactly.

>> but but that's almost the contrast you meet sven and contrast when you meet sven and when sven, he is when you speak to sven, he is very mild mannered, very quiet. >> he's not a very exuberant character. at character. you wouldn't look at this think, trait, this man and think, avian trait, isn't it? this man and think, avian trait, isn'exactly. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> you wouldn't look at it and see as of the footballing see it as one of the footballing playboys of the world. would playboys of the world. you would never believe i mean, but never believe it. i mean, but that why. that was why. >> was why at that time he >> that was why at that time he was such interest to the was of such interest to the newspapers, wasn't it? because it understood you it was quite understood you couldn't. him. neither couldn't. women saw him. neither could i have. >> is no. i have no idea. >> i mean, i looked at him and thought, you're not really my cup of tea. ulrika johnson cup of tea. but ulrika johnson clearly attractive, as clearly found him attractive, as did nancy dallaglio. thank you. yeah. know, this yeah. you know, he had this string of women. >> there was a glamour >> i guess there was a glamour attached to being manager the attached to being manager of the england football team. >> always to be a >> there's always going to be a glamour and also, you know, it was daniels, you was the old paul daniels, you know, was fell in know, what was it you fell in love with about the millionaire paul? that it. don't know paul? that is it. i don't know whether that i could never whether it's that i could never actually describe actually sit here and describe why sven—goran eriksson is attractive women, but there attractive to women, but there was there. was something going on there. but he was a very but as a manager, he was a very good very successful

good and very successful manager. but it's that england job that to be the poison job that seemed to be the poison chalice many england chalice with so many england managers the managers over the years. the players there. everything, players are there. everything, there's the infrastructure is there, is there. but there, the money is there. but for some reason it still didn't work. >> the manager too, didn't we? terry venables died quite recently. >> that's right. yeah. a >> that's right. yeah. just a couple we lost couple of months ago we lost terry venables. >> he was a colourful figure too, and he was a very different figure. >> without doubt a very colourful figure terry. colourful figure was terry. um, he another that was he was another one that was forced of the job. el tel. forced out of the job. el tel. yeah, was another one that yeah, he was another one that was of job. um, was forced out of the job. um, just he'd had his success at just as he'd had his success at your 96. so then kevin your own 96. so then kevin keegan came after that. keegan came along after that. kevin of the very kevin keegan was one of the very few that actually walked away from the that's when from the job. and that's when sven and then we have sven came in. and then we have fabio capello, another successful, well, successful manager came manager in italy, and then came along. he couldn't make work. manager in italy, and then came aloreallyz couldn't make work. manager in italy, and then came alo really we'rein't make work. manager in italy, and then came alo really we're looking e work. so really we're looking at gareth, probably most gareth, who's probably the most successful all of them, successful out of all of them, going to 66. going back to 66. >> alf ramsey there you go. >> he's lived in the same street. >> my mum has lived in the same street. that's our family's claim to fame in dagenham. >> dagenham. >> in dagenham in dagenham. yeah. are. so only

yeah. well there we are. so only seven dagenham. seven for dagenham. >> never say that. >> boy, i'd never say that. >> boy, i'd never say that. >> only 75. sven—goran eriksson, uh, says he has at best, year uh, says he has at best, a year to live um developing to live after. um developing cancen to live after. um developing cancer. thank paul thank to live after. um developing can> em elm— >> well, hundreds of former innocent, hundreds of former postmaster subpostmasters innocent, hundreds of former postmastein;ubpostmasters innocent, hundreds of former postmastein;uprost asters innocent, hundreds of former postmastein;uprost office convicted in the post office scandal to get scandal are now going to get their cleared. their names cleared. >> right. yesterday >> that's right. yesterday postal minister postal services minister kevin hollinrake told the house of commons wrongly commons that those wrongly convicted the justice convicted will get the justice they intend to bring forward >> i intend to bring forward legislation soon as we can to legislation as soon as we can to overturn the convictions of all those convicted in england or wales on the basis of post office evidence given during the honzon office evidence given during the horizon scandal . the government horizon scandal. the government will, in the coming days, consider whether to include the small number of cases that have already been considered by the appeal court and the convictions upheld . upheld. >> so joining us now from westminster is our political correspondent, katherine forster. uh, good morning , forster. uh, good morning, catherine. this story is just going on and on and on, isn't it, about the post office scandal , it, about the post office scandal, more and more revelations coming out about who might have been to blame and who

might have been to blame and who might have been benefiting from this? think this? well, do you think the government this government have handled this well, particularly well, though, particularly yesterday ? yesterday? >> well, certainly . yesterday? >> well, certainly. um, governments going back of all colours have handled this really very badly . colours have handled this really very badly. there's a lot of politicians coming in now for plenty of criticism on all sides , but certainly it does seem like rishi sunak. this current iteration of the conservative government is moving much faster than governments normally move. and let's face it, they've been forced into this by the public outcry by and resulting from the itv drama. it's not like this information is new. it's not like it hasn't been known for years , years and years. i mean , years, years and years. i mean, alan bates, who spearheaded the fightback, um, this is a problem. he first encountered nearly a quarter of a century ago. but the government, acting now and acting fast, and it really is quite extra ordinary. they've said that the

legislation to, um, quash the convictions of these hundreds of innocent subpostmasters , um, innocent subpostmasters, um, will be published within weeks . will be published within weeks. the convictions will be crossed. the convictions will be crossed. the government say this year and compensation will be paid 600,000 for those that have been convicted . and also the group of convicted. and also the group of postmasters that basically went to war with the post office back in 2019, when the scandal was finally exposed, that the post office were guilty and culpable , office were guilty and culpable, and they're getting an upfront payment of £75,000. so of course, it's to be welcomed. some concern within the judiciary because of course, it's not up to the government normally to dictate to the courts what should be done. but kevin hollinrake, the post office minister, saying that these are exceptional circumstance cases and victims will be asked to sign a piece of papen will be asked to sign a piece of paper, declare that they didn't do anything wrong. they are aware that there may be a small

number of people who actually are guilty, and that paves the way to prove recruiting them at a later date. um and, you know, but many of the victims, i think glad. sure but maybe saying it's not enough and too little, too late, perhaps. and alan bates himself has said yes , it's himself has said yes, it's a positive step forward. but the devil will be in the detail. so let's see what happens next. but, um, questions now about all the people who were responsible , the people who were responsible, the people who were responsible, the people who were responsible, the people at the post office, the people at the post office, the people at fujitsu that covered this up. kevin hollinrake yesterday talking about what the inquiry has uncovered , saying evidence uncovered, saying evidence suggested the post office acted with incompetence and malevolence . malevolence is malevolence. malevolence is a strong word , isn't it? but strong word, isn't it? but clearly this was a massive cover up.the clearly this was a massive cover up. the state the company his were went out to cover up and to take innocent people to drag

them through the mud , destroy them through the mud, destroy lives , trying to cover their own lives, trying to cover their own back really is an atrocious state of affairs. >> all right, catherine, thanks for that's katherine forster, who's our westminster correspondent. we've got with us in the studio. the conservative mp, philip davies. mp, bishop philip davies. philip, we shouldn't underestimate of what underestimate the scale of what was yesterday. this was announced yesterday. this must be unprecedent for a government say we're seizing government to say we're seizing power courts. and power back from the courts. and we overturning. what about we are overturning. what about 955 verdicts of guilty against these postmasters? the government is doing it. it's never happened before. i don't think . think. >> no, it is. it's an unprecedented step in an unprecedented step in an unprecedented really . unprecedented situation, really. i mean, the problem with everything the in the uk, we everything in the in the uk, we see it with covid inquiry see it with the covid inquiry we see it with the covid inquiry we see inquiry into see it with this inquiry into the been set up quite a the post been set up quite a while ago, years ago. is while ago, three years ago. is that wheels just move so that the wheels just move so slowly in country. um, and slowly in this country. um, and so the government have sort of seized control of the situation. so not to just so we're not prepared to just let keep running on forever let this keep running on forever and ever. people need some closures. people need compensation . the situations compensation. the situations that they're in, um , and, you

that they're in, um, and, you know, i don't think anybody is saying that this is an ideal way to, to deal with any particular situation because they're inevitably will be 1 or 2 cases where some wrongdoing did take place. but the thing is, it's the same with everything. if you if you if you want to move at speed, yeah, you've got to do it in this in this kind of way and knowing that there will be 1 or 2 anomalies that get caught up in it, it's a sort of a utilitarian approach. yeah. um, but look, i mean, you know, it's the same with all these things. governments have a dilemma dunng governments have a dilemma during covid. you everyone during covid. you know, everyone was to was clamouring, we need to get ppe , into care ppe into hospitals, into care homes whatever. the homes or whatever. so the government sort of the government sort of break the normal checks and balances to get it in there. then later on they get criticised they they get criticised that they didn't checks and didn't do enough checks and balances. so, you know, when balances. um, so, you know, when you're government, can't you're in government, you can't do for doing do right for doing wrong sometimes. think this, sometimes. but i think in this, on occasion, think rishi on this occasion, i think rishi sunak and kevin hollinrake have done thing and done exactly the right thing and have grip of the have taken a grip of the situation. i think most situation. and i think most people will it's the fairest people will say it's the fairest way and the courts were basing

their essentially, their verdicts on essentially, philip lie, was that philip, a lie, which was that only the postmasters could access horizon it system. access this horizon it system. >> they must responsible >> so they must be responsible for amounts of for these large amounts of missing money. and that was simply a lie. and fujitsu knew that, the post office. >> yeah, i know, i mean, what's happened is, is an absolute scandal and it's not just a miscarriage a miscarriage of justice. it's a it's an absolute scandal. um, and is obviously clearly and there is obviously clearly a question not some question of whether or not some criminal charges need to be brought. yeah. some of the people in this sort of people involved in this sort of conspiracy and scandal, obviously, that's a obviously, ultimately that's a matter for the police. the cps and to determine and the courts to determine rather politicians. i rather than politicians. but i certainly there's a case certainly think there's a case to answer and that the police should certainly be looking into whether or charges should be whether or not charges should be being whether or not charges should be beiishould be looking, should >> should you be looking, should we be looking though, we be looking as well, though, with conservatives with the conservatives connections fujitsu philip, connections to fujitsu? philip, i the online got i mean the mail online have got phenomenal dive into who phenomenal deep dive into who was running fujitsu in between 2015 and 2018. the ceo was michael keegan, who is the husband of education secretary gillian keegan . photographed

gillian keegan. photographed with rishi sunak all having a lovely corporate day out , this lovely corporate day out, this does the conservative party so much damage when it looks like there was some sort of back scratching going on? >> well, i don't see that to be honest. i mean, look, this, this, this dates back to when tony blair was prime minister. this isn't something that was introduced during the conservative government that the conservative government that the conse|procured this system. know, procured this system. this goes goes back goes back, this goes back donkey's goes back, this goes back donkeyit's just a coincidence. >> so it's just a coincidence. >> so it's just a coincidence. >> michael keegan, far as i >> michael keegan, as far as i know, he nothing do with know, he had nothing to do with fujitsu. and all of horizon fujitsu. and all of the horizon stuff was was coming out. i think fujitsu was a massive think what fujitsu was a massive company. they've clearly got lots questions to answer and lots of questions to answer and they should be they should be writing and writing a big check. and i'm absolutely no, i don't think anybody dispute that. but anybody would dispute that. but what saying is i don't think what i'm saying is i don't think it's fair when anything goes wrong an organisation that wrong in an organisation that you smear you therefore sort of smear everybody ever worked everybody who's ever worked there everybody ever there or everybody who's ever unked there or everybody who's ever linked to that company. i think, you let's, let's treat you know, let's, let's treat each on its merits and each issue on its merits and i don't think there's any, any suggestion was

suggestion that anybody was covering anything up in the, in the government because michael keegan big their big keegan was their big their big donors to the conservative party, though. donors to the conservative pari', though. donors to the conservative pari mean,|h. donors to the conservative pari mean, richard tice was on >> i mean, richard tice was on here saying that here yesterday saying that fujitsu have given £400,000 to the conservatives >> doing them >> well, it's not doing them much at the moment, it? much good at the moment, is it? i mean, i don't think if i mean, i mean, i don't think if you've got any evidence that anybody's decisions anybody's made any decisions based fine. as based on that, then fine. but as far i'm concerned, i just far as i'm concerned, i just want people to be asking those sorts of questions. well, look, i think there's i think i don't think there's i think that's smear. you know, that's just a smear. you know, that's just a smear. you know, that's just a groundless smear, isn't any isn't it really. without any basis. let's stick basis. um, so let's let's stick to and the evidence to the facts and the evidence rather than just making sort of wild on labour. wild smears on labour. >> was interesting after >> it was interesting after rishi sunak talked about this in the yesterday, prime six the commons yesterday, prime six questions starmer questions that keir starmer changed subject. this changed the subject. is this because with because he's uncomfortable with the fact nigel farage raised the issue , uh, about the fact as issue, uh, about the fact as director of public prosecutions , director of public prosecutions, he was director of public prosecutions for quite a few years when these postmasters and postmasters were being arrested and charged, he didn't.

intervene and he could have done he could have done. there was a way he could have used his. is there some questions that he has to answer on this? >> look, i don't think i don't think any political party comes out of smelling of roses. i out of this smelling of roses. i think the you think that's the thing. you know, political has know, every political party has got something they should got something that they should have done better with hindsight. they have done better. they should have done better. i'm i wouldn't i'm not i don't i wouldn't accuse anybody of wilfully doing things. back, things. but when they look back, they'll should have done they'll think i should have done something know, they'll think i should have done som i thing know, they'll think i should have done somi think know, they'll think i should have done somi think keir know, they'll think i should have done somi think keir starmer know, they'll think i should have done somi think keir starmer is know, and i think keir starmer is probably that camp of people probably in that camp of people who will and think, who will look back and think, i'm pretty sure should have i'm pretty sure i should have done differently. but done something differently. but that's, you know, it's always easy benefit of easy with the benefit of hindsight, think we should be hindsight, i think we should be too critical of people. i think the who come out best the people who come out best from are kevin from all of this are kevin hollinrake, the minister who's actually this actually campaigned on this issue. has for years he issue. he has for years when he was a backbencher. not was a backbencher. this is not just a minister. just him acting as a minister. he's campaigned this. i think he's campaigned on this. i think kevin obviously kevin hollinrake and obviously the now, rishi the prime minister now, rishi sunak backing what sunak was clearly backing what kevin to do. kevin hollinrake wants to do. >> and a labour mp, kevin smith, who know, kevin up in who we, you know, kevin up in durham, him on the show

durham, we had him on the show this kevin jones sorry this week kevin jones sorry kevin jones, been on this kevin jones, he's been on this as yes for years and as well. yes for years and years. >> exactly. absolutely. >> exactly. absolutely. >> philip, >> it's interesting philip, because people say why didn't the in this? the press get involved in this? well, newspaper, the daily well, my newspaper, the daily mail this in mail first wrote about this in 2013. we have been banging on about this for a long time. it's appalling isn't it appalling really, isn't it? it took to captivate took this tv drama to captivate and the country, and electrify the country, outraging actually, which outraging people actually, which has finally forced the whole collective will of parliament to act. yes. and that's shameful, really. it's amazing how these things work. >> i mean, some of us in parliament, we battle on particular issues for years and years and years where we think there's an absolute scandal and you can't traction for you can't get any traction for it all. and then along comes it at all. and then along comes itv and all of a sudden, you know, but that's that's just that's the that's just the way of the world, it. world, isn't it. >> yeah. nigel also talked >> yeah, yeah. nigel also talked last night about that. he had a fight with danny your fight with danny kruger, your colleague, because danny kruger says to nigel that the says to nigel farage that the reform of which is he, the reform uk, of which is he, the president? president? yes nigel. >> honorary president. >> honorary president. >> the honorary president. >> you're going split the >> you're going to split the tory cost the tories

tory vote and cost the tories seats the election. and seats at the next election. and nigel had said, i think the day before, labour in power nigel had said, i think the day befae, labour in power nigel had said, i think the day befa decadelr in power nigel had said, i think the day befa decade . in power nigel had said, i think the day befa decade . what in power nigel had said, i think the day befa decade . what don power nigel had said, i think the day befa decade . what do you wer nigel had said, i think the day befa decade . what do you make for a decade. what do you make about reform? i think we've about reform? um, i think we've got i think we can we can watch it actually. here's what. nigel, this is nigel having fight this is nigel having a fight with kruger. the with danny kruger. but the problem are, i'm problem that you are, i'm afraid, presenting your afraid, presenting with your colleagues the next colleagues in reform at the next election presenting election is you are presenting an alternative conservative, small c conservative vote to a party to those voters and i've heard this for 30 blimmin years. >> oh, no . don't vote. yes. it's >> oh, no. don't vote. yes. it's true. and if you hadn't voted ukip, we'd still be members of the european union. you lot would have got our would never have got our independence back. it would never happened. that never have happened. but that has now. achieved has happened now. we've achieved that. we've achieved that. well, now we've achieved that. well, now we've achieved that. you're fighting. that. now now you're fighting. >> you're fighting other battles. >> now what we've got to do now we've do support. we've got to do is support. we've get rid of we've got to get rid of conservative candidates. we've got us broken got you've given us broken britain. offer no britain. labour offer us no alternative. are going alternative. what are you going to give us? >> labour? no complete reform of the whole political system. >> you make of that? and >> what do you make of that? and of talking about

of course, he's talking about the system, but. the voting system, but. >> look, >> yeah. well, i mean, look, there's both are there's obviously what both are said certain extent. look, said to a certain extent. look, the thing is, is that and i've engaged this debate before, engaged in this debate before, you probably ham fisted you know, probably ham fisted way. is, is that way. but the point is, is that as conservatives, it's good as conservatives, it's no good blaming or blaming blaming the voters or blaming the . the the reform party for. the situation that we're in. we're not in we're not we're not in a situation that we are in the polls because of the reform party. no we're in the situation we're in because us, because we're in because of us, because of because, of incompetence, because, because we haven't been to most people's view, conservative enough. that's enough. i agree with you. that's that's so the that's the issue. so the solution our own hands. solution is in our own hands. it's about round and it's not about going round and then blaming the reform party. we've we've got to win these we've got we've got to win these voters we voters back ourselves by what we do. i think, you know, rishi do. and i think, you know, rishi sunak got a good program. you know, about got to know, it's about we've got to sort immigration. got sort out immigration. we've got to out economy. there's to sort out the economy. there's no there's no victory for us at the sorting out the election without sorting out immigration. to do immigration. so we've got to do that ourselves. it's no good blaming yeah. and blaming anybody else. yeah. and but the key point but the thing is the key point is persuade people is we've got to persuade people at the general election that they're a they're better off having a

conservative government than a labour government. be labour government. it will be one be one the one or it will be one or the other. and that's what our job is to persuade. other. and that's what our job is tunfortunately, we run of >> unfortunately, we run out of time. philip, go time. philip, um, don't go anywhere. a lot more to come this particularly about this morning, particularly about sadiq being an absolute sadiq khan being an absolute hypocrite. britain's hypocrite. this is britain's newsroom news. newsroom on oh gb news. a brighter with boxt solar brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors on gb news sponsors of weather on gb news morning , i'm sponsors of weather on gb news morning, i'm alex sponsors of weather on gb news morning , i'm alex deakin. morning, i'm alex deakin. >> this is your latest weather update from the met office. four gb news another chilly one out there today. again, most of us will be dry. quite a lot of cloud around. well, we've had the clear skies in the south. it's another frosty start and a frosty clear start in north western parts of scotland. but elsewhere we've seen quite a bit of cloud again. it is producing 1 or 2 light showers here and there parts of northern there over parts of northern england, but not really amounting very much amounting to very much as i said, most places will be dry by the feel of the day though will really that cloud. if really depend on that cloud. if you're even you're stuck under it even though temperatures will be a little higher 7 or 8 celsius, little higher at 7 or 8 celsius, it'll feel cold once it'll feel pretty cold once more. the sunny spells,

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as netflix sells off its props for the hit series . for the hit series. and do you have children in your life? whether they're grandchildren or your own children who clean their teeth, or who know how to clean their teeth? because labour are going to teach them how to do it, is that a parent's job? >> that is going to be >> and that is going to be a major speech today by the leader of the opposition. notice more important things to talk about. >> talking >> yeah, and talking about making, um, health visitors and powering health visitors to vaccinate children in the house so they don't have to go to the surgery . it's very surgery. it's all very controversial. blurring controversial. is it blurring the between state and the line between the state and the line between the state and the family? in my opinion, it definitely what do you definitely is. what do you think? vaiews@gbnews.com. first though, the very latest news with sam francis . bev and andrew. >> thank you very much. good morning from the gb newsroom i'm

sam francis. the headlines at ten. well first to some breaking news just coming into us here in the newsroom by elections have been triggered to fill westminster's vacant seats for both wellingborough and kingswood. bone lost his kingswood. peter bone lost his wellingborough seat after being suspended from the conservative party an investigation party when an investigation found that he'd committed acts of bullying and sexual misconduct . of bullying and sexual misconduct. mr of bullying and sexual misconduct . mr bone, though, misconduct. mr bone, though, rejected the findings of that report. elsewhere, former minister chris skidmore resigned from his kingswood seat in the week this week over the opposition to the government's green policies that he had the respective councils will shortly set a date for the votes to take place . meanwhile the justice place. meanwhile the justice secretary says that fujitsu should repay the money spent on the post office scandal if it's found culpable. it comes as pressure grows on the firm behind the faulty horizon. it software , which made it appear software, which made it appear as though money was missing from shops. hundreds of staff were convicted, jailed and bankrupted as they were wrongly accused of

theft. alex chalk says the government will secure proper recompense for those affected once the statutory inquiry concludes its findings. mr chalk also added that if fujitsu is found culpable , ministers could found culpable, ministers could launch legal action against them and claim compensation for the cost to the taxpayer . cost to the taxpayer. authorities are investigating reports of armed intruders boarding a vessel off the coast of oman this morning. it comes after a british navy vessel destroyed several drones fired by houthi rebels at ships in the region. the uk's maritime trade operations authority received reports of several intruders dressed in military style uniforms and masks in the early hours , and they say they have hours, and they say they have since lost contact with the vessel. the uk and us governments have said that any further escalation will result in retaliation. well, defence editor of the evening standard told gb news earlier that things could get worse now. >> one of the big changes yesterday was quantity and also

quality . they attacked the main quality. they attacked the main warship force for the first time in a big way , and if this goes in a big way, and if this goes on, they will. they've got the target sets, they will attack houthi bases on the yemen mainland and on that east side of the red sea. you're quite right. it's an escalation . right. it's an escalation. >> jeremy corbyn is in the hague with a south african delegation for the country's case against israel . they're accusing them of israel. they're accusing them of genocide. the former labour leader is the only foreign political figure named as part of the delegation to be attending those hearings . it attending those hearings. it comes as mr corbyn publicly described hamas as a terrorist group, but accused the israeli army of also being guilty of acts of terror. israel's president called the case filed by south africa atrocious and preposterous . political editor preposterous. political editor for jewish news , lee halpin, forjewish news, lee halpin, told gb news this morning it's an impossible situation for israel. >> it's an impossible situation almost for israel . and there's

almost for israel. and there's no doubt israel does need to fight back against hamas because, um , you know, what because, um, you know, what would we do here in this country were missiles constantly flying in? would we just sit back and say, well, we can't fight that force because, oh, because we might kill some innocent people? unfortunately, this is the devastating consequence of a horrendous conflict . horrendous conflict. >> well, as we've been hearing in the last few minutes , former in the last few minutes, former england boss sven—goran eriksson says he has a year to live after being diagnosed with cancer. the 75 year old swede was the first foreign coach to manage england . foreign coach to manage england. he led a golden generation of footballers including david beckham, steven gerrard, wayne rooney and frank lampard . he rooney and frank lampard. he also led the england team to the quarter finals of the 2002 and 2006 world cups, and the ,2,004. the 75 year old swedish radio show rather, the 75 year old told swedish radio that he has at best a year to live .

at best a year to live. meanwhile, in the us , an airline meanwhile, in the us, an airline has cancelled all flights on boeing 737 max nine aircraft until saturday. that's as it waits for approval to get planes back in the air. it's after an alaska airlines flight had to make an emergency landing when an unused cabin door broke away mid—air on friday, the us has grounded 171 of the max nines since the incident. they say that's because all planes are installed with the same panel, 177 people were on board that flight on friday and luckily no one was hurt. the findings are being treated as a quality control issue and the princess royal has started her second day of engagements in sri lanka by visiting a buddhist temple . it's visiting a buddhist temple. it's part of princess anne's visit to mark 75 years of diplomacy with britain. the temple of the sacred tooth relic is the most significant buddhist temple in sri lanka. the princess is then set to travel to jaffna to meet northern communities and hear about the local public library .

about the local public library. she'll also meet with members of the charity working to make former civil front lines safe . former civil front lines safe. that's the latest from the gb newsroom. for now. i'll be back in half an hour for more. we're on tv, digital radio and your smart speaker. just say play gb news now though, back to andrew and . bev and.bev >> very good morning to you. thank you for joining >> very good morning to you. thank you forjoining us. so thank you for joining us. so hundreds of innocents, former subpostmaster convicted in the post scandal could have post office scandal could have their will have their names. well, will have their names. well, will have their this year. their names cleared this year. >> questions are being asked about massive about how such a massive miscarriage could miscarriage of justice could have well, it wasn't have occurred. well, it wasn't so much undetected, but wasn't resolved before. >> joining is gb news >> so joining us now is gb news presenter farage. good presenter nigel farage. good morning um, good morning nigel. always, um, good to you. um, you have really to see you. um, you have really got behind this campaign for the postmasters in the way that you do for normal people. why has it taken this itv docudrama? nigel to put this front and centre of

the media and people's minds ? the media and people's minds? >> this is a classic case of the great and the good. those with knighthoods , cbes peerages , knighthoods, cbes peerages, wealthy people, a political establishment that chose not to listen in any way at all. and yes, it did take a docudrama on itv and very well produced one too. i must say, to tug at the heartstrings of the public and to make them realise that once again the little people are being ignored . and that's why being ignored. and that's why the public feeling and momentum behind this campaign is just as strong as it was during the expenses scandal, and indeed dunng expenses scandal, and indeed during the brexit referendum . during the brexit referendum. and it shows the gulf that exists in this country between the governors and the govern. at last, it would appear that some recompense s is coming, though i suspect when it comes for the fight for genuine compensation, this may well take a long time.

by this may well take a long time. by which many of those who deserve to be compensated will probably have died. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and of course, nigel, we know four people committed suicide who are linked to this scandal. people have lost homes, life savings and those people who have been compensated . and often have been compensated. and often a of the money they got was a lot of the money they got was gobbled up by hugely expensive legal because the post legal fees because the post office used such expensive lawyers try to crush these lawyers to try to crush these people . people. >> yes. i mean, not just legal fees. andrew. many people had to sell their houses. so if you sold your house 20 years ago and you've been renting for the last 20 years, think what that's cost you.soi 20 years, think what that's cost you. so i mean, this really has hurt in the most hurt people in the most extraordinary way. and their extended families , let alone extended families, let alone their reputations, their standing within their local communities. but you know, we've had nearly 14 years of conservative government they did nothing. we have a labour leader who was the director of public prosecutions at the time . this

prosecutions at the time. this reached a peak, and we now know that the crown prosecution service took some of those cases themselves . he service took some of those cases themselves. he didn't intervene . themselves. he didn't intervene. um, and a liberal democrat leader who, you know, was postal services minister again during the peak period, i mean , you the peak period, i mean, you know, one can't point the finger of blame at any party in particular. this is the establishment that ignored the little people. >> um, it's got echoes, actually, nigel, of the de—banking scandal, hasn't it? there's a, you know, a presume you're starting the script on the de—banking docudrama for itv. because i think that's another story. this this idea of, as you say, of the establishment and the normal person on the street and the gulf between the two being bigger than it has ever been. is that partly why you think this docudrama has caught the imagination? it's also because it is just historical. it's incredibly unwoke . there are no incredibly unwoke. there are no characters shoehorned in because

they're having gender identity issues, or there's none of that sort of shoehorn the british pubuc sort of shoehorn the british public just don't want to see. it's just real life. yeah it's real life. >> it's real people. it's real families. i mean, you know, remember, you know, that actually the local postmaster or postmistress is a respected figure of the communities. my village in which i live. we lost the post office a few years ago with really quite devastating consequences for the local community, for social interaction that takes place in the village. so yeah, it's just about ordinary folk and they've been trampled on. um, and at last they're getting their heanng last they're getting their hearing . and the british public hearing. and the british public is very , very firmly behind is very, very firmly behind them. and, you know, you draw them. and, you know, you draw the parallel with, with de—banking . i mean, who were the de—banking. i mean, who were the people that have been hurt by de—banking, me , because i de—banking, not me, because i was big enough and ugly enough to but i can tell to fight back. but i can tell you there are tens of thousands of small businesses all over this country who were closed down by the banks with no good

reason whatsoever, and who've lost their businesses. so the parallels run through so many things. >> can we ask you as well, nigel, you mentioned keir starmer. there's many things that are not right with this country. a lot of things to be fixed. he's going to make a speech today where he's going to unashamedly what unashamedly embrace what he calls is calls the nanny state, which is going involve teaching 3 5 going to involve teaching 3 to 5 year olds brush their year olds how to brush their teeth properly and to send health visitors into people's homes vaccinate children. um, homes to vaccinate children. um, is this the place a is this the place of a government? no not at all. >> um, and what keir starmer is doing is taking the massive live intrusion into our lives at every level that we've seen under a conservative government and just taking it further , i and just taking it further, i mean, the truth is, there isn't much to choose between them. yes, of course, it's a step way too far, and i'm sure that, you know, bev and other parents will say, this is just ridiculous. we don't need to treated like don't need to be treated like this, don't think, don't this, but don't think, don't think the state has reduced in size in the last 14 years either , either. um, and that perhaps is one of the big problems that

people face. here we are at the start of a general election yean start of a general election year, and you've really got to ask what are the ask yourself, what are the fundamental philosophical differences between these two parties? and they're very small . parties? and they're very small. >> i think actually, on the teeth cleaning thing, i think it's a little bit more i'm a bit conflicted about it. i can't lie, because clearly the children aren't learning to clean their teeth at home. they're not being taught to clean their teeth at home. they'rtheir being taught to clean their teeth at home. they'rtheir teeth. taught to clean their teeth at home. they'rtheir teeth. andjht to clean their teeth at home. they'rtheir teeth. and in to clean their teeth at home. they'rtheir teeth. and in a) clean their teeth at home. they'rtheir teeth. and in a way, clean their teeth. and in a way, it's the job of a teacher. it's not the job of a teacher. and wes streeting was and actually, wes streeting was being this this being grilled on this this morning on various media outlets , and he it actually, , and he said it actually, some of will to of the teachers will have to teach this too. i mean, if you've to teach, you've you've been to teach, you've been got your degree and you've qualified teacher. i think qualified as a teacher. i think it's you're the who's going it's you're the one who's going to a little demeaned to be feeling a little demeaned about that you're then about the fact that you're then teaching year to teaching a four year old how to use toothbrush. but but in use a toothbrush. but but in terms doing something for the terms of doing something for the next generation, nigel, is the impulse in terms of impulse not right in terms of health? i'd quite like to see him tackle the food industry. i can't lie. >> well, look, i mean dental hygiene clearly is very important. british important. and the british

famously have some the worst famously have some of the worst teeth the world, i think i teeth in the world, i think i think we're rather think i think we're rather better used be. um, better than we used to be. um, look, know, of course we look, you know, of course we want to do these things , want parents to do these things, but, i mean, i wouldn't actually have objection , uh, you have any objection, uh, you know, with people going into reception conferences at primary school, i don't see why age five, you can't give kids basic lessons about personal hygiene, teeth cleaning. i wouldn't find that. i wouldn't find that objectionable at all. it's just the idea that just the idea that keir starmer wants to tell us how to clean it. yeah, that's the quite objectionable. >> yeah , you're absolutely >> yeah, you're absolutely right. the fact that they're claiming it as a policy and their ownership of idea, their ownership of this idea, rather just introducing it rather than just introducing it into curriculum in terms of into the curriculum in terms of your personal hygiene lessons , your personal hygiene lessons, that's the end. what's going on with reform , nigel? you with reform, nigel? are you going them or not? going to stand for them or not? come on. it's what the public want. >> i don't know. >> i don't know. >> come on. you must know , i >> come on. you must know, i don't know, i honestly and truthfully don't know what i will say is this, that , you

will say is this, that, you know, richard tice his work in blooming hard at reform. >> he is utterly determined when he says he won't do sweetheart deals with conservatives. he means it . deals with conservatives. he means it. remember, we did this in 2019. helped them get an in 2019. we helped them get an 80 seat majority and they've completely blown it. they've blown trust. they've damaged the country hugely. they've not kept their promises and slowly but surely through organic growth reforms at 11, it was polling third in a couple of opinion polls this week. uh, and, and all i know for certain is that reform is going to get many, many millions of votes. maybe more millions than we can even believe at this moment in time. as me, well, look, i'm the as for me, well, look, i'm the honorary president of i was honorary president of it. i was the founder of it. i believe in what it says what it stands what it says and what it stands for. and by the way, it wants to reverse the size of the state and the level of control over our genuinely does our lives. and it genuinely does . um, i'll be honest with you, i rather enjoy my work at gb news.

i rather enjoy my life at the moment. i spent nearly 21 years in the european parliament for me to go back and throw myself into that world again on the eve of my 60th birthday, um , it's of my 60th birthday, um, it's not necessarily top of my bucket list, but that doesn't mean it doesn't mean i won't do the breaking news this morning. >> is that that by—election in wellingborough, where ben habib will stand for reform, has been triggered? you going to be triggered? are you going to be there leaflets through triggered? are you going to be there nigel leaflets through triggered? are you going to be the oh, nigel leaflets through triggered? are you going to be the oh, uh,el leaflets through triggered? are you going to be the oh, uh, look, flets through triggered? are you going to be the oh, uh, look, um, through triggered? are you going to be the oh, uh, look, um, i1rough triggered? are you going to be the oh, uh, look, um, i would be >> oh, uh, look, um, i would be very surprised if i didn't pop up and give ben a bit of support at some point in the next few weeks. >> very interesting. all right, nigel, that's our very own nigel farage. for joining nigel, that's our very own nigel farage. forjoining us. farage. thanks forjoining us. now, refer earlier to now, nigel did refer earlier to the leader, ed the lib dem leader, sir ed davey, who had this to say about his postal affairs his tenure as postal affairs minister coalition minister in the coalition government, which between government, which was between 2010 and 2012. >> wish known then what we >> i wish i'd known then what we all know now. the post office was industrial scale was lying on an industrial scale to me. another minister's and lib dem. >> sorry .

>> sorry. >> sorry. >> no no no, go ahead. >> no no no, go ahead. >> and a lib dem spokesman then had this to say. in response, ed bitterly regrets the post office was not honest with him at the time. his heart goes out to the families this families caught up in this miscarriage of and he's miscarriage of justice, and he's going to cooperate with the inquiry get bottom of inquiry to get to the bottom of what wrong ed. inquiry to get to the bottom of thon wrong ed. inquiry to get to the bottom of thon the wrong ed. inquiry to get to the bottom of thon the accusationd. inquiry to get to the bottom of thon the accusation that ed >> on the accusation that ed davey made £275,000, acting as a consultant the legal consultant for the legal firm herbert freehills, who was herbert smith freehills, who was acting for the post office, a liberal democrat spokesperson had ed one of had this to say ed was one of the many who the many ministers who was misled by the post misled and lied to by the post office. he's always been clear that earnings from the work that the earnings from the work he on climate he did advising on climate change issues, were used to fund the lifelong care his the lifelong care for his severely son. ed had no severely disabled son. ed had no knowledge that hsf held his account and never had any conversation about the post office or horizon scandal at any occasion with hsf and sir keir starmer . starmer. >> as people say, this about his time at the crown prosecution service in relation to the post office scandal during his time as chief prosecutor, no cases relating to horizon were brought to his desk. the scandal that

emerged is one of the worst miscarriages of justice in british and labour has british history, and labour has been swift been calling for swift exoneration compensation for exoneration and compensation for the victims. vital all the victims. it's vital all action taken right these wrongs. >> they on labour's focus is >> they go on labour's focus is on our part in making on playing our part in making sure this injustice is never repeated . repeated. >> no running around, aren't they ? now to northern ireland they? now to northern ireland and the continuing saga at stormont. there is still no devolved government. two years now without a devolved government . who better to government. who better to explain all this than the former first minister herself, arlene foster . first minister herself, arlene foster. nigel first minister herself, arlene foster . nigel farage foster. nigel farage talked about with mbes and cbes. about people with mbes and cbes. well, lot. you've well, you've got a lot. you've got a damehood all your it's all your ali. your fault, ali. >> fault? yeah, well, it >> my fault? yeah, well, it usually is. it usually is. i was just thinking about the, um, the wrongful convictions . and wrongful convictions. and yesterday in the lords , lord yesterday in the lords, lord offord was talking about the number of wrongful convictions. there were 983. amazing isn't it? yeah. and 24 of those are in northern ireland, 76 in scotland. but what has been announced by the government for england and wales and in terms of quashing of convictions, of the quashing of convictions,

doesn't automatically . doesn't apply automatically. >> going to ask you >> i was going to ask you because different because you've got a different legal because we have two legal system because we have two separate systems in separate legal systems in scotland and in northern ireland. >> the compensation will come because it's reserved. so it comes so comes from treasury. so that will directly to people in will come directly to people in northern ireland who have been affected scotland. affected in people in scotland. but quashing of the but the quashing of the convictions has to happen in both those jurisdictions . both of those jurisdictions. >> now do you does that mean you need stormont parliament to need the stormont parliament to be back quash those? be brought back to quash those? >> it's one of the issues. it's one the issues makes one of the issues that makes there. mean, there are many there. i mean, there are many reasons why it should be recalled, but this makes it even more well, it adds more pressing. well, it adds to the pressure. adds to the the pressure. it adds to the pressure. doubt about pressure. there's no doubt about that. next thursday is the that. and next thursday is the so—called terms so—called deadline in terms of the legislation . um, the emergency legislation. um, so chris heaton—harris, the secretary of state northern secretary of state for northern ireland, to have more ireland, either has to have more emergency legislation or to call an election. i don't think he's going to call an election, and i don't think stormont will be back thursday . and next back by next thursday. and next thursday day when we thursday is also the day when we have a huge public services strike ireland, strike in northern ireland, right . right. >> and what's that about?

>> and what's that about? >> pay and conditions >> it's about pay and conditions and the secretary of state has acknowledged that that needs to be settled. he's put money on the table. some people say it's not enough money because it's not enough money because it's not recurring. every year. but he's money on table he's put money on the table and he's put money on the table and he only get it if he says, you only get it if stormont comes back, which i think disgraceful, think is disgraceful, actually, because right because if people have a right to pay, a right to pay. to pay, you have a right to pay. it shouldn't be in relation to who's in charge. they should get the money. >> again, this shows >> but again, this shows the impotence what's in impotence of what's happening in northern huge northern ireland, the huge strike and there's no parliament to, to negotiate or to condemn or its extraordinary position. we're in it is remind people, arlene, why is the power sharing, why the stormont parliament was dissolved effectively so in northern ireland, we have a mandatory coalition under the belfast agreement. >> that means that sinn fein, the dup, the sdlp, the ulster unionist, the alliance party are all in the government. if you like . so it's a mandatory like. so it's a mandatory coalition and if, if whoever's in the first ministers and deputy first minister's office,

if one of the those people resign as paul givan as the then first minister did back in february of 2022, then the whole thing collapses and it stops. it was the same when i was first minister and the deputy first minister, then martin mcguinness resigned and stormed, was down for three years on that occasion over irish language . um, and over irish language. um, and that should have been resolved a lot sooner than it was . but the lot sooner than it was. but the issue this time is around brexit. of course it is. and it's around the windsor framework. and the fact that there are checks coming from great britain into northern ireland and what unionism is saying is that that needs to be sorted out in terms of the constitutional position of, of northern the uk northern ireland within the uk and of course, in relation to trading, which should be an internal market, because internal uk market, because you're effectively under you're effectively still under the union. the yoke of the european union. >> but you have >> we are, but you have absolutely no accountability or power because you've got meps i >> -- >> and so we get laws, we get regulations which have to regulations which we have to abide if you're a abide by. if you're a manufacturing in northern ireland, but we've absolutely no say because come

say in them because they come from europe and that to me is a deficiency in democracy, a very big deficiency in democracy . big deficiency in democracy. >> um, it's sort of intractable at the moment, isn't it, arlene? or it's very complicated, very complicated . um, but in the complicated. um, but in the meantime, the people of northern ireland are being are being short changed, aren't they? yeah. your opinion yeah. um, we want your opinion on starmer speech on this, this starmer speech from today about the fact that he's to be sending health he's going to be sending health ministers, visitors, ministers, health visitors, sorry, not health ministers into people's the people's homes to vaccinate the children and them how to children and teach them how to clean teeth. you're a mum. clean their teeth. you're a mum. what make of it? well, clean their teeth. you're a mum. wh.a make of it? well, clean their teeth. you're a mum. wh.a job make of it? well, clean their teeth. you're a mum. wh.a job of make of it? well, clean their teeth. you're a mum. wh.a job of anake of it? well, clean their teeth. you're a mum. wh.a job of a parent, it? well, clean their teeth. you're a mum. wh.a job of a parent, isn'tiell, it? >> i mean, this this is very much. and he says in terms that he will defend the nanny state this he does. >> he's he's embracing it. >> he's he's embracing it. >> are actually encroaching >> you are actually encroaching into the private space of family life. i, someone who life. and i, as someone who believes that private family life is sacred and, and, you know, parents have the prime responsibility, i think it's absolutely ridiculous that he's making a speech about cleaning teeth. however i will say this. there are parents who struggle. there are parents who struggle.

there are parents become there are parents who become parents very early in life, and they need help . and i think they need help. and i think there's a way to do that. and you know what's interesting? >> who become >> it's also parents who become parents life because parents late in life because those the ones often whose those are the ones often whose own the ones who pass those are the ones often whose own that the ones who pass those are the ones often whose own that knowledges who pass those are the ones often whose own that knowledge , who pass those are the ones often whose own that knowledge , the» pass those are the ones often whose own that knowledge , the ones down that knowledge, the ones who well, this is who say, well, come on, this is how know , clean their teeth how you know, clean their teeth at years the older at two years old, the older parents often need the support because mothers have because their own mothers have passed the time they've passed away by the time they've become passed away by the time they've bec i me passed away by the time they've beci mean, you talked about >> i mean, you talked about teachers, would they? i wouldn't have a problem with teacher teachers, would they? i wouldn't have a pa blem with teacher teachers, would they? i wouldn't have a pa class,nith teacher teachers, would they? i wouldn't have a pa class, doing teacher teachers, would they? i wouldn't have a pa class, doing a acher teachers, would they? i wouldn't have a pa class, doing a partr teachers, would they? i wouldn't have a pa class, doing a part of showing a class, doing a part of a and this is how you a lesson. and this is how you brush your this is how brush your teeth. this is how you behind your you clean behind your ears. i can still remember that i was in a catholic school. the nuns telling us how to wash behind your and wash between your your ears and wash between your toes. problem with that? >> there's problem with that. >> there's no problem with that. but not that teachers but it's not that teachers aren't to supervise aren't having to supervise you doing that's doing it every morning. that's the and i think one the point. yeah. and i think one of teachers unions, of the teachers unions, interestingly well, interestingly, have said, well, okay, what you're okay, we hear what you're saying, but i'm not sure it's the job a teacher to be the job of a teacher to be standing wash your standing watching you wash your teeth every it does set teeth every day. and it does set that doesn't it?

that precedent, doesn't it? >> it sort of like i say, it >> and it sort of like i say, it blurs that boundary. it also they're saying state and the they're saying the state and the families resolving. families that need resolving. >> we the, the >> and here we have the, the leader of the opposition who's almost like he's going almost looks like he's going to be prime minister in nine months time, on about in time, banging on about kids in your but going your teeth. but is he going to talk the that it's talk about the fact that it's very difficult to get to an nhs dentist and started under blair? yeah that's more yeah yeah, yeah, that's more important, isn't it? >> actually gps are >> yeah. and actually gps are going that direction. going in that direction. they are as well. yeah. >> yeah yeah, yeah. >> yeah yeah, yeah. >> rishi sunak did a tweet >> um, rishi sunak did a tweet earlier the where he earlier in the week where he said, you know, i will protect your future. will your children's future. i will build future for your build a better future for your children. he didn't put any, children. but he didn't put any, any on bones that. children. but he didn't put any, any that's)n bones that. children. but he didn't put any, any that's what bones that. children. but he didn't put any, any that's what i'mnes that. children. but he didn't put any, any that's what i'm looking1at. children. but he didn't put any, any that's what i'm looking for. and that's what i'm looking for. and, and so in a way, as a mum, i quite like at least i like the fact that children and children's is being children's health is being discussed because it feels like rishi doesn't discuss rishi sunak doesn't even discuss it. andrea leadsom has done >> well, andrea leadsom has done some early some pretty good work on early years, and applaud what the years, and i applaud what the work doing early years. work she's doing on early years. actually intervenes and actually and she intervenes and as basically said, those two first are important and first years are so important and you really to concentrate first years are so important and yotthatlly to concentrate first years are so important and yotthat because to concentrate first years are so important and

yotthat because if concentrate first years are so important and yotthat because if you:entrate first years are so important and yotthat because if you:entiable on that because if you are able to children into a way of to get children into a way of thinking and doing things when they're very, very young, then that carries through and they have better mental health, they have better mental health, they have and is doing a lot yeah. and so she is doing a lot of good work. and i noticed she's gone back now in as health minister not minister again. yeah. not a secretary state but as a secretary of state but as a junior health minister. and i think is very, very think that work is very, very important okay. >> lovely to see you, >> all right. lovely to see you, arlene. as usual now, still to come morning, netflix is come this morning, netflix is selling all of prop from selling off all of its prop from the series crown. the hit series the crown. and what bid for if you what would you bid for if you got chance? email us. let us got the chance? email us. let us know. keep it clean. this is britain's newsroom on

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, you're not going to win if you don't accept this. you could go , you're not going to win if you do prison.ept this. you could go to prison. >> it's extraordinary. >> it's extraordinary. >> got his money back and >> he's got his money back and he's had a pardon already. but how appalling. >> lesley in >> you see, lesley has got in touch and she says he or she says i have during this fiasco, never heard anyone say if these people money, people have stolen the money, how and where is how much in total and where is it? traceable by an it? it must be traceable by an audit. it's such a good point, thatcherite. >> the money didn't exist. >> the money didn't exist. >> i know, but then surely you would that if some. this would think that if some. this is a point. so presumably those accused, bank accounts is a point. so presumably those accusalso bank accounts is a point. so presumably those accusalso goneiank accounts is a point. so presumably those accusalso gone through. unts is a point. so presumably those accusalso gone through. and if were also gone through. and if they were accused of stealing £26,000, where it? £26,000, where was it? >> they on? >> what did they spend it on? that's other and some that's the other thing. and some people are um, it's people are saying, um, it's unfair to pursue paula vennells, people are saying, um, it's unfair to the sue paula vennells, people are saying, um, it's unfair to the chiefaula vennells, people are saying, um, it's unfair to the chief executive alls, people are saying, um, it's unfair to the chief executive of s, who was the chief executive of the office. i think it's the post office. i think it's your view to certain extent. your view to a certain extent. >> think i've changed my mind >> i think i've changed my mind on that. as more facts have emerged. >> yeah, because she's >> yeah, well, because she's given cbe look, she got given back her cbe look, she got millions pounds bonuses millions of pounds in bonuses and figures that and it based on figures that were tens of were inflate by the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, hundreds of thousands, probably millions paid back by postmasters and postmistresses that never existed . and it was a lie.

existed. and it was a lie. >> yeah, it was all a lie. and jane said, why isn't anyone asking how the horizon system can still be running in the post office? might we have to remember there is public remember there is a public inquiry ongoing, but all inquiry ongoing, but like all pubuc inquiry ongoing, but like all public britain, inquiry ongoing, but like all pubbeen britain, inquiry ongoing, but like all pubbeen going britain, inquiry ongoing, but like all pubbeen going since itain, and it's been going since 2020 and it's been going since 2020 and it's going finish any it's not going to finish any time uh, my local sub time soon. uh, my local sub postmaster tells me that he still regularly has instances stances up stances which he simply makes up to balance the books. there must surely be numerous complaints to balance the books. there must surely icome.1erous complaints to balance the books. there must surely icome.1erous these aints still to come. while these employers faced, forced employers are faced, are forced to use employees, are forced to use a clearly faulty system. extraordinary and actually and you know the point i was just making before with nigel about the fact that why is this caught the fact that why is this caught the public imagination? well, because it isn't woke story, because it isn't a woke story, particularly the tv particularly with the tv dramatisation it. why are dramatisation of it. why are people enjoying it so much? real people, real drama , nothing people, real drama, nothing shoehorned in for the sake of being. >> a lot of people think that could be my postmaster. that could be my postmaster. that could be my postmistress, because people have a relationship with them. >> it's just the fact >> it's also just about the fact that that could be me, that you think that could be me, because us who have sat

because any of us who have sat on a helpline, a digital helpline, trying through, helpline, trying to get through, whether to your gas whether it's to your gas provider or, you know , the provider rider or, you know, the people give you your people who give you your broadband that frustration broadband and that frustration of computer says no. that's what this so this story sums up so beautifully . and all feel it. beautifully. and we all feel it. we that fear of that kind we feel that fear of that kind of future where you of dystopian future where you can't to a human being. can't talk to a human being. >> on. >> now moving on. >> now moving on. >> how would like to own a >> how would you like to own a piece of tv royalty? the makers of hit netflix the of the hit netflix series the crown? auctioning crown? they're auctioning off hundreds costumes hundreds of props and costumes from and if you don't from the set, and if you don't want to buy, you have a chance to see it for all yourself in a free exhibition. >> opening in london today. >> opening in london today. >> i don't want to buy it. so look, we're just seeing some pictures. >> now, if you're listening on the seeing some of the radio, we're seeing some of the radio, we're seeing some of the the very classical the outfits. the very classical royal outfits, the carriage was there, you'd there, beautiful dresses. you'd look green one, look lovely in that green one, andrew. and look at very andrew. and look at that very nice hat. of picture frames nice hat. lots of picture frames with people in. obviously with royal people in. obviously these the originals. this these aren't the originals. this is stuff from is all the stuff from the netflix series. well, netflix drama series. well, joining us now is royal commentator historian rafe commentator and historian rafe heydel—mankoo . uh, ralph, have

heydel—mankoo. uh, ralph, have you got your eye on any particular items ? i think i particular items? i think i could see you going up and down your high street in that golden carriage. it would suit you down to ground. to the ground. >> if pop that in >> and yes, if i pop that in front my house, it would get front of my house, it would get the neighbours talking for sure. i um, my dream purchase, i think, um, my dream purchase, i think, um, my dream purchase, i suppose, the i suppose, would be the brilliant the coronation brilliant copy of the coronation chair monarch sits chair in which the monarch sits to you know, just to be crowned. you know, just like we could have our interviews sitting interviews with me sitting in this chair and going forward. but 10 to £20,000. so but that's 10 to £20,000. so i think a realistic bid for think a more realistic bid for me would be the queen me probably would be the queen mother's £60. yeah >> ralph, i'm just curious about this . um, >> ralph, i'm just curious about this. um, would people want this. um, why would people want to props a drama? it's to buy props from a drama? it's tv , it's make believe. it's not tv, it's make believe. it's not real memorabilia . it's not real royal memorabilia. it's not something that was touched something that was ever touched by the queen or by her majesty the queen or prince philip. would prince philip. why would anybody want ? want it? >> well, because it's the next best isn't it? and of best thing, isn't it? and of course, we know that there's a huge industry in royal memorabilia. royal mugs, plates. huge industry in royal me member|. royal mugs, plates. huge industry in royal me member of loyal mugs, plates. huge industry in royal me member of loyalroyal;, plates. huge industry in royal me member of loyalroyal familys. no member of the royal family has touched any those has ever touched any of those tea towels, example. but tea towels, for example. um, but what we're talking about, you have course, the have to remember, of course, the crown, was the

crown, the series was the world's most expensive drama series, and the props were made by oscar winning production team of martin childs and his team of master craftsmen . so we're master craftsmen. so we're talking about the very best royal replicas that have ever been made and probably ever will been made and probably ever will be or ever will be made. and of course, the crown won many of its awards for set production and costume design. so if you actually are a staunch royalist or you just want a touch of majesty to drab to, you know , to majesty to drab to, you know, to colour up your house, i think there's a rather nice things to buy if you've got the money to do so. >> it's, it's one for the fans, isn't it, ralph? it really is. sorry it's so brief this morning . a little bit short on . we're a little bit short on time, sure you're about time, but i'm sure you're about to it down the to hotfoot it down to the exhibition anyway. uh, now, after after the news, after this, uh, after the news, we're going be about we're going to be talking about sadiq khan a mess. sadiq khan and what a mess. really. made of london. um, really. he's made of london. um, after news this after your morning's news this morning, that, um, morning, it's emerged that, um, more than 1000 people have been killed . in the capital since he killed. in the capital since he became more. first, though, here

is sam. >> bev and andrew. thank you very much . good morning. from very much. good morning. from the gb news room. the headlines is just after 1035. well in the last hour we've heard that by elections have been triggered to fill westminster's vacant seats for both wellingborough and kingswood. peter bone lost his wellingborough seat after being suspended from the conservative party when a parliamentary investigation found that he'd committed acts of bullying and sexual misconduct. mr bone, though, rejected the findings of that report. meanwhile, former minister chris skidmore resigned from his kingswood seat this week over his opposition to the government's green policies. he now says that he won't support the tories . the respective the tories. the respective councils will shortly set a date for votes to take place . for votes to take place. meanwhile, the justice secretary says fujitsu should repay the government for all money that's been spent on the post office scandal if it's found culpable . scandal if it's found culpable. it comes as the pressure grows on the firm behind the faulty

horizon. it software, which made it appear as though money was missing from shops. hundreds of staff convicted , jailed and staff were convicted, jailed and bankrupted they were wrongly bankrupted as they were wrongly accused of theft. alex chalk says the government will secure proper recompense for those affected once the inquiry concludes its findings. mr chalk also added that if fujitsu is found culpable, ministers could launch legal action against them and claim compensation for the cost to the taxpayer . as we've cost to the taxpayer. as we've been hearing, former england boss sven—goran eriksson says that he has a year to live after being diagnosed with cancer, where he was the first foreign coach to manage england, leading a golden generation of footballers including david beckham, steven gerrard, wayne rooney and frank lampard . he rooney and frank lampard. he also led england to the quarter finals of the 2002 and 2006 world cup , and the ,2,004, the world cup, and the ,2,004, the 75 year old has said to swedish radio. he has at best a year to live . authorities are live. authorities are investigating reports of armed

intruders boarding an oil ship off the coast of oman. this morning. it comes after a british navy vessel destroyed several drones fired by houthi rebels at ships in the region. the uk's maritime trade operations authority received reports of several intruders dressed in black military style uniforms and masks in the early hours. they say they have since lost contact with that vessel . lost contact with that vessel. the uk and us governments have said any further escalation will result in retaliation , and the result in retaliation, and the princess royal has started her second day of engagements in sri lanka by visiting a buddhist temple . it's part of princesses temple. it's part of princesses princess anne's visit to mark 75 years of diplomacy with britain. the temple of the sacred tooth relic is the most significant buddhist temple in sri lanka. the princess will then travel to jaffna to meet northern communities and hear about the local public library there. she will also meet the members of the charity working to make a former civil front line safe and

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know, you're permanently cross scarlett andrew. scarlett mccgwire with andrew. get carroll, scarlett mccgwire with andrew. get advisor. carroll, my advisor. >> talking about sadiq >> now we're talking about sadiq khan because we think he's the world's signaller. >> he probably is, isn't >> i think he probably is, isn't it? >> i completely disagree. >> i completely disagree. >> we're going to come our >> we're going to come to our ladies moment. but ladies in just a moment. but first of all, we're going to be talking about this because the mayor of repeatedly, mayor of london repeatedly, as you on you know, is clamping down on where all move because where we can all move because apparently facing apparently we're facing a climate whether climate emergency, whether that's car a plane or that's in a car or a plane or whatever. guess what? he's whatever. but guess what? he's racked more than 80,000 air racked up more than 80,000 air miles last year. >> course he has. >> course he has. >> westminster. >> joining us in westminster. him joining us, joining us. him not joining us, joining us. >> opinion moment, >> your opinion in a moment, scarlett, you speak joining scarlett, you can speak joining us westminster is um gb us from westminster is um gb news.com political millie. >> millie, this is pretty embarrassing, it, because >> millie, this is pretty emb introduced it, because >> millie, this is pretty emb introduced this,t, because >> millie, this is pretty emb introduced this, extended he's introduced this, extended this wretched ulez, ultra low emission zone, which is a tax on older polluting cars because he says we're all choking to death because of pollution. and yet he's been using public money to fly world to fly all around the world to climate conferences. fly all around the world to climate just conferences. fly all around the world to climate just do ferences. fly all around the world to climate just do them es. fly all around the world to climate just do them on zoom? >> i mean, that's exactly what his critics are saying. so sadiq

khan did fly 80,000 air miles last year. um whilst also kind of encouraging brits not really to fly themselves . um, so sadiq to fly themselves. um, so sadiq khan and his team , it sort of khan and his team, it sort of spread out among the team, but they took a lot of flights. however, his team are sort of pushing back, saying that he needs to make those he needs to travel distances, he needs needs to make those he needs to tra go distances, he needs needs to make those he needs to trago abroad.iistances, he needs needs to make those he needs to trago abroad. and|ces, he needs needs to make those he needs to trago abroad. and ins, he needs needs to make those he needs to trago abroad. and in orderneeds needs to make those he needs to trago abroad. and in order toads to go abroad. and in order to promote his own climate agenda, however, are saying however, his critics are saying he's he's he's virtually signalling he's flying and he's flying across the world and he's talking climate change, talking about climate change, but really taking the but he's not really taking the action himself. helpful action himself. one helpful conservative action himself. one helpful conserv'oute action himself. one helpful conserv'out that the moon is pointed out that the moon is actually 240,000 away, and actually 240,000 miles away, and given 440,000 given khan has travelled 440,000 air since came to power air miles since he came to power in if he took a few in 2016, if he just took a few more flights for the may election, could in fact election, he could in fact travel there back . um. travel there and back. um. however, his team have also pointed previous pointed out that the previous mayor, johnson he took 34 mayor, boris johnson, he took 34 trips by plane in his time as london so sadiq khan, london mayor. so sadiq khan, doing 11, a bit less, doing just 11, it's a bit less, but obviously given he's built such reputation , he's put such a reputation, he's put so much time, and political much time, energy and political capital into promoting environmental policies. it's not the best look, it certainly isn't. >> that's millie cooke in

westminster. splutters westminster. well, splutters with rage over there is scarlett mccgwire . what a hypocrite. your mccgwire. what a hypocrite. your mate khan is. >> no so he didn't rack up 80,000, right? it's he and his team . team. >> so there were quite a lot of it's the same thing. >> how many does he need? stay with him. >> five of them on the team. >> five of them on the team. >> not that we need to take five people. >> does he need to hold his hand? >> five people hold his hand. >> five people hold his hand. >> hold his bag. >> hold his bag. >> he did hold on other people went to other places? no. he took five people to new york with him. okay he took five with him. okay so he took five people new york with him. people to new york with him. >> that many? >> that many? >> i mean, i don't know, because we asked sadiq for an we haven't asked sadiq for an answer. all we've got is answer. have we all we've got is what conservatives what the conservatives said. >> no, what i'm saying >> but what? no, what i'm saying is, a start, there's two is, for a start, there's two different ulez is not different things. ulez is not about change. about climate change. >> ulez is about air pollution, which about cars. which is about cars. >> right? >> right? >> plugging hole his >> plugging a hole in his finance, ulez about finance, which is ulez is about cars about actually about cars, is about is actually about cleaner air. >> scarlett, before you move from you let's about from you is let's talk about ulez his office. khan's office

misled the public hugely by saying ulez had cut pollution by 29. it had not. that was a report from the erg , which report from the erg, which khan's office had funded to the tune of £800,000. the real report from imperial college said ulez had cut emissions by just a piddling 3, and particulates zero. so he lied by omission to the public with that report and the report, the report and the report, the report that he wanted that he got was the one that his office paid for. and it misled the public. paid for. and it misled the pubuc.so paid for. and it misled the public. so you're saying the fact that that we are getting rid of old cars, which which are polluting, right. there's no question about well, they're not, not more than 3. the fact that the that it hasn't made a difference. well, i mean, where i live, where i live, which is, which is what was the second. i mean, i did get rid of my car because it was a polluting car. um, and actually it is easier to be there, but but there are other problems in, in a london

which is murders for a start. >> and how does he solve those problems in inner london? we've just seen the number of murders on his thousand, over a thousand. now how does it how has helped him flying to has that helped by him flying to new with five people to go new york with five people to go to a climate change conference, which could zoom, which he could do on zoom, because there are you're trying to everything. because there are you're trying to trying'thing. because there are you're trying to trying 'thi conflate everything. >> wrong. >> priorities are wrong. no, no. >> priorities are wrong. no, no. >> scott is a stop. >> so scott is a stop. >> how do you stop ? >> how do you stop? >> how do you stop? >> what's he got to do with him? >> what's he got to do with him? >> so do you stop young >> so how do you stop young people, young killing each other? >> well, you don't do it by going to a climate, and you don't do it. >> don't do it by not paying >> you don't do it by not paying the police. he's refusing to hand over £70 million to the met police for reforms he wants to put in place. refusing to put in place. he's refusing to hand cash over, mainly hand that cash over, mainly because doesn't have this because he doesn't have it. this is you actually think is a bloke you actually think this guy is a good mayor? this is. let me finish. you've had a say this is the guy say on this. this is the guy who, since 2020 has had a 6 billion bailout from the government for tfl, which he runs london as runs badly. he uses london as like cash machines. he like walking cash machines. he cannot couldn't you

cannot he couldn't run a you know what a brewery, let know what in a brewery, let alone a capital city. and he's proved that every level on on proved that on every level on on the murders , on pollution the murders, on the pollution and now he's doing what and on this now he's doing what he wants to do . he's a peacock he wants to do. he's a peacock of who likes to be seen on of a man who likes to be seen on an international stage. i'm sorry. the london mayor does not need be international need to be on an international to provide some balance. >> i want support you, scarlett. >> i think it's against incredibly beliefs. incredibly hard beliefs. >> i'm genuinely. >> i'm genuinely. >> i'm. i'm trying to come up with something to help you out here, but you can't, and i can't. as someone who lives in london like, what do you see as an improvement now? a few years ago? >> well, i do find actually that the there are far fewer cars, which is really nice , which is which is really nice, which is locked . locked. >> it's gridlocked. >> it's gridlocked. >> it's gridlocked. >> it might be gridlocked in the middle. it's actually not it's not gridlocked. >> we've just got the title of the slowest city in world the slowest city in the world for the second year running. >> speed is seven miles. >> average speed is seven miles. >> average speed is seven miles. >> come on, let's give her an opportunity. >> come on, scarlett, but you talk about. you talk about transport for london, right? the

thing that that boris did thing is, is that that boris did a deal the government that a deal with the government that they have to. they they wouldn't have to. they wouldn't to subsidise wouldn't have to subsidise it. and then we covid, which and then we had covid, which absolutely killed public transport. right. i'm sorry. that's when he got the big bailout. he got 6 billion bailouts in two years. years because he had to have it. and don't talk about boris billion because boris got was getting a billion a year. he got six over two and a half because because nobody was using public transport, because we all had to stay at home. but it had to go on so that people could go on so that so that the key workers . so that so that the key workers. so what's his excuse now? the key workers, what's his excuse now he had 2.3 billion this year. what's his excuse now we don't have he's trying to keep fares down. i mean there is a real problem about about how how how how do it. but i just how how how to do it. but i just think that can inflate think that we can inflate everything. and you know, you say, oh, you can't, you shouldn't this. you shouldn't do this. and you shouldn't do this. and you shouldn't i mean, she's shouldn't do this. i mean, she's just took three times just said boris took three times as many plane trips, but as many as many plane trips, but that doesn't matter. boris that doesn't matter. but boris

wasn't climate wasn't preaching about climate change. the about the not not when he was married in scarlet. he did not. this is this is an entirely different. this is a man who tells the of us he man who tells the rest of us he punishes working people by charging for having a car charging them for having a car that's older than 2015. and yet himself. he's flying around the world in private planes and to places like new york in private. not. i'm afraid, he has taken private . let's get this. oh, are private. let's get this. oh, are you really latching on to the private plane thing? really no, no, to detract from what he's actually done, i mean, i just actually done, i mean, ijust think so . so, you know, look, think so. so, you know, look, i do my best. i still fly. that is what it's very interesting . it's what it's very interesting. it's what it's very interesting. it's what my brother said is all of us do our best, but actually all of us still go on with our lifestyle. i'm sure that all three of you fly right. i do believe that there is a real problem with climate change, but i do believe i still believe that you know that you do other things it. and i just things about it. and i just think that that attacks think that that that all attacks being sadiq on that when he

takes a third as many flights as bofis takes a third as many flights as boris johnson did, that when we have a when we have a prime minister who likes to travel by helicopter, i mean at least, you know, if because he's the prime minister scholar, it's a little bit different. it's not. he's running a country. >> problem what it? why >> my problem is what is it? why is of london obsessing is the mayor of london obsessing about climate change? he's got so pressing issues to sort so many pressing issues to sort out this great city out in this great capital city of ours. is he grandstanding of ours. why is he grandstanding on the world stage? he went to one climate change in argentina, for sake. necessarily for god's sake. not necessarily because we have find out what because we have to find out what we can do. >> i mean, it's quite interesting that you must you must when you. >> a he's a globalist. >> he's a he's a globalist. >> he's a he's a globalist. >> he's a he's a globalist. >> he's a he's he's dyed in the wool globalist. he's the mayor of the capital britain. of the capital of britain. right. and actually, one of the things that done since is, things that he's done since is, is, is to say london is open to try and get tourists and businesses coming into london. post capitalist . businesses coming into london. post capitalist. he's businesses coming into london. post capitalist . he's not the post capitalist. he's not the head of the capital of britain. he's head he's, he's, he's he's head of london. he's the head of the london of england's capital

city, not the head of britain. but do you actually really believe because we're not just talking about we're linking all the other things in. you think he's a mayor, don't you? he's a good mayor, don't you? yeah do think he's a good man. yeah i do think he's a good man. so the failure of tfl, with so with the failure of tfl, with all of going with all of that going on with with the crime than it's the knife crime higher than it's ever been, you still think he's a man? just don't a good man? i just don't understand. i and i and understand. and i and i and i said the same when boris was mayor i don't understand why a mayor i don't understand why a mayor responsible . mayor is responsible. >> all for his job is he's the police and crime commissioner. he's the police. the police and crime commissioner. he's the police. the police and crirthat'simissioner. he's the police. the police and crirthat'simisshe's'. he's the police. the police and crirthat'simisshe's responsible >> that's why he's responsible for what he's done. >> he sacked a bad head of >> was he sacked a bad head of the right. and what he's the met right. and what he's done, that's what did. his done, that's what he did. his cressida was not doing cressida dick was not doing her job. >> one in to replace her. >> a good one in to replace her. i hope he has. i i hope he has. >> i really hope he has. i mean i you know, look so far. i you know, look like it so far. well, well it's a man who's trying best. isn't he. trying to do his best. isn't he. i mean, you know, the met is tough. >> that's why we give them a hard time on knife crime. scarlet, he is the police and crime commissioner. >> i know, what i said is,

>> i know, and what i said is, is he is the police and crime commissioner, is he commissioner, which is why he got of cressida dick. got rid of cressida dick. because she wasn't doing herjob properly. refusing properly. he's now refusing to give money police give to money the met police that he promised them to help combat crime. he doesn't combat knife crime. he doesn't have. because blown have. right? because he's blown the dozen times. have. right? because he's blown the we've dozen times. have. right? because he's blown the we've got dozen times. have. right? because he's blown the we've got to ten times. have. right? because he's blown the we've got to move1es.to >> we've got to move on to i think we've run out of time, but round two will be shortly to talk about corporate manslaughter, which we almost had here because that's what the former minister, former cabinet minister, nadhim zahawi, accused. former cabinet minister, nadhim zahthe accused. former cabinet minister, nadhim zahthe japanese sed. former cabinet minister, nadhim zahthe japanese firm of. >> the japanese firm fujitsu of. they, built the they, of course, built the honzon they, of course, built the horizon software. do they horizon it software. do they need be held accountable? need to be held accountable? this is britain's newsroom and cough news a brighter cough up on gb news a brighter outlook with boxt solar the sponsors on . gb news. sponsors of whether on. gb news. >> morning i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. another chilly one out there today. again, most of us will be dry. quite a lot of cloud around. well, we've had the clear skies in the south. it's another frosty start and a frosty clear start in north western parts of scotland. but elsewhere we've seen quite a bit

of cloud again . it elsewhere we've seen quite a bit of cloud again. it is elsewhere we've seen quite a bit of cloud again . it is producing of cloud again. it is producing 1 light showers here and 1 or 2 light showers here and there over parts of northern england, but not really amounting very much . as amounting to very much. as i said, most places will be dry. the feel of the day though, will really depend on that cloud. if you're stuck under it, even though temperatures will be a little 7 or 8 celsius, little higher at 7 or 8 celsius, it feel pretty cold once it will feel pretty cold once more, in sunny spells, more, but in the sunny spells, of course, south wales, southwest and western southwest england and western scotland may not feel too bad, although the frost come although the frost will come back pretty quickly here through this overnight this evening and overnight elsewhere. a lot of elsewhere. we'll keep a lot of cloud should help cloud that should help to prevent frost, it won't be prevent a frost, so it won't be as cold tonight across the south as cold tonight across the south as it was last night. most places staying above freezing thanks to that cloud, or as it will probably be colder across central scotland, southern scotland and northern ireland with more of a frost. maybe some fog are possible too, fog patches are possible too, and they could be slow to clear where they do form through friday. we'll keep a lot of cloud, i suspect, over the midlands, eastern england and a much cloudier day in southern england as well. again, some good sunshine

good spells of sunshine for wales, particularly west, wales, particularly in the west, and probably brighter and probably a brighter day in eastern temperatures eastern scotland. temperatures struggling here 2 3 degrees struggling here 2 or 3 degrees at best 5 or 6. further south. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> but thanks for that. now, after the break, we're going to be talking to a barrister who represented some of those subpostmasters in the court of appeal case in 2021. you're not going to to miss it because appeal case in 2021. you're not goinygot to miss it because appeal case in 2021. you're not goinygot a to miss it because appeal case in 2021. you're not goinygot a lot to miss it because

channel. 11 am. on thursday, the 11th of january. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with me, andrew pierce and bev turner is the nanny. >> state's going to be out of control as labour announced today, introduce today, plans to introduce supervised toothbrushing for young free breakfast young children in free breakfast clubs. is the states taking the place of the family and justice for the victims ? for the victims? >> the prime minister vows to right the wrongs of the post office scandal, but should fujitsu, they provided the faulty computer software pay the price and the ultimate , uh, this price and the ultimate, uh, this is about the crown, isn't it? >> at the moment, we're going to talk about, um, sadiq khan there, but this is about the crown. all of the kit on their movie is up for sale. it's on display in london. you can go and through the items that

and pick through the items that you would like to own, not the originals, course, by originals, of course, owned by the royal but those that the royal family, but those that featured the netflix featured in the netflix series. >> talking about >> and we're also talking about sadiq just talked about sadiq khan. we just talked about him with malone and him with carole malone and scarlett mccgwire. is he the ultimate virtue signaller, scarlett mccgwire. is he the ultima hypocrite? gnaller, scarlett mccgwire. is he the ultima hypocrite? hypocritically, mayor hypocrite? hypocritically, in tens of in our view, flying tens of thousands of miles to climate change conferences while preaching climate . preaching about climate. change. >> get in touch on email this morning, gbviews@gbnews.com. let us know why you're choosing gb news. why are you choosing this show with our record figures? people, more people than ever tuning in? >> absolutely right. >> absolutely right. >> and listening on the radio and listening on the news. >> though, listening on >> first though, listening on radio though, here's your radio first though, here's your very with sam. very latest news with sam. >> bev and andrew thank you very much. good morning from the gb newsroom i'm sam francis. the

headunes newsroom i'm sam francis. the headlines at 11. well steven bradshaw one of the investigation managers for the post office during the time of the horizon, it scandal, is giving evidence this morning at the inquiry . giving evidence this morning at the inquiry. these are the giving evidence this morning at the inquiry . these are the live the inquiry. these are the live pictures there. unfortunately he's not on the screen at the moment, but he's been defending his comments that he made in 2012 that he had absolute confidence in the horizon. it system and that he was never told of any faults with that software for. meanwhile, the justice secretary says that fujitsu should repay the government for the money that was spent on the post office scandal. so far. if it's found culpable , it comes as the culpable, it comes as the pressure grows on the firm behind the faulty software, which made it appear as though money was missing from shops , money was missing from shops, rishi sunak is facing two by—election challenges next month as the government triggers contests in wellingborough and in kingswood. peter bone lost his wellingborough seat after being suspended from the conservative party when a parliamentary investigation found he had committed acts of

bullying and sexual misconduct . bullying and sexual misconduct. mr bone, though, rejected the findings of that report. meanwhile former minister chris skidmore has resigned from his kingswood seat over his opposition to the government's green policies . opposition to the government's green policies. he opposition to the government's green policies . he now says he green policies. he now says he won't support the tories, the respective councils will shortly set a date for those votes to take place . well, as we've been take place. well, as we've been hearing, the former england boss, sven—goran eriksson, says he has a year to live after being diagnosed with cancer. he was the first foreign coach to manage england and he led a golden generation of footballers, including david beckham, steven gerrard, wayne rooney and of course, frank lampard. he also led the england team to the quarter finals of the 2002 and 2006 world cups , the 2002 and 2006 world cups, and the ,2,004. the 75 year old told swedish radio that he has, at best a year to live . at best a year to live. authorities here in the uk are investigating reports of armed intruder boarding a vessel off the coast of oman this morning. it comes after a navy vessel

destroyed several drones fired by houthi rebels at ships in the region. the uk's maritime trade operations authority received reports of several intruders dressed in black military style uniforms and masks in the early hours . they say they have since hours. they say they have since lost contact with that vessel. the uk and us governments have said any further escalation will result in retaliation. well earlier , the defence editor for earlier, the defence editor for the evening standard , robert the evening standard, robert fox, said things could get worse now . how. >> now. >> one of the big changes yesterday was quantity and also quality . they attacked the main quality. they attacked the main warship force for the first time in a big way , and if this goes in a big way, and if this goes on, they will. they've got the target sets , they will attack target sets, they will attack houthi bases on the yemen mainland . and on that east side mainland. and on that east side of the red sea. you're quite right. it's an escalation . right. it's an escalation. >> meanwhile, jeremy corbyn is in the hague with a south african delegation for the

country's case against israel. they're accusing them of genocide . the former labour genocide. the former labour leader is the only political figure named as part of that delegation to attend the heanngs. delegation to attend the hearings . it delegation to attend the hearings. it comes as mr corbyn publicly described hamas as a terrorist group , but also terrorist group, but also accused the israeli army of being guilty of acts of terror . being guilty of acts of terror. israel's president has called the case filed by south africa as atrocious and preposterous. political editor for the jewish news, lee halpin , told gb news news, lee halpin, told gb news this morning it's an impossible situation for israel . situation for israel. >> no doubt israel does need to fight back against hamas because, um , you know, what because, um, you know, what would we do here in this country were missiles constantly flying in? would we just sit back and say, well, we can't fight that force because, oh, because we might kill some innocent people? unfortunately, this is the devastating consequence of a horrendous conflict . horrendous conflict. >> well, in the last few moments, we've heard that a critical incident has been declared in london after an electric bus was engulfed in flames. photos online show the

blaze taking up much of the road, with the street cordoned off. officers from the metropolitan police are advising people to avoid the area on wimbledon hill road in south—west london, and they've warned to expect congestion with the road blocked off in both directions. the london fire brigade says that the cause of the fire isn't yet known. we'll bnng the fire isn't yet known. we'll bring you more on that as we get it. well bird flu has been found in elephant and fur seals near antarctica . it's the region's antarctica. it's the region's first case of infected mammals. the uk's animal and plant health agency says it has been testing for the h5 n1virus on the island of south georgia after finding dead seals there in october. scientists say the risk to humans remains very low, but warns the virus endangers the delicate and unique ecosystems of the antarctic and the princess royal has started her second day of engagements in sri lanka by visiting a buddhist temple. it's part of the

princess anne's visit to mark 75 years of diplomacy with britain , years of diplomacy with britain, and she's been to the temple of the sacred tooth relic, which is the sacred tooth relic, which is the most significant buddhist temple in sri lanka. the princess will then travel to jaffna to meet northern communities and hear about a local public library. there she'll also meet the members of the charity to a the charity, working to make a former civil front line safe . former civil front line safe. that's the latest from the gb newsroom. we're across the tv across the uk , on tv, on digital across the uk, on tv, on digital radio and of course on your smart speaker. just say play gb news now though, more from andrew and bev . andrew and bev. >> hey, good morning . 1107 so >> hey, good morning. 1107 so hundreds of innocent former subpostmasters convicted in the post office scandal could have their names cleared this year. >> the postal service minister, kevin hollinrake, told the house of those wrongly of commons those wrongly convicted justice convicted will get the justice they deserve . they deserve. >> i intend to bring forward legislation as soon as we can to

overturn the convictions of all those convicted in england or wales on the basis of post office evidence given during the honzon office evidence given during the horizon scandal . the government horizon scandal. the government will, in the coming days, consider whether to include the small number of cases that have already been considered by the appeal court and the convictions upheld , and. upheld, and. >> joining us from westminster, our political correspondent, katherine forster. catherine there's pretty much cross—party agreement . this is a scandal. agreement. this is a scandal. all parties are, in my view, have got are culpable in some ways . but so far labour have got are culpable in some ways. but so far labour has not signed up to the detail to the compensation package . the compensation package. the initial thing is an initial payment of £75,000, because i suppose the devil will be in the detail . detail. >> the devil will be in the detail . and that's exactly what detail. and that's exactly what alan bates, the postmaster who led the charge. basically, it's due to him that this is all finally come to light, has said, though he welcomed these these

steps . yes. labour have said steps. yes. labour have said that they want to see the bill before they agree to support it, though i think it's likely that they will because of course, who would argue that these people have been massively wronged and deserve major compensation? so £600,000 for those who were convicted and also the convictions are going to be quashed on mass. the government have said that that will happen this year and this legislation will be brought through to parliament in the coming weeks. now, in terms of the speed at which things normally move in westminster, this is lightning fast. the government have suddenly acquired this sense of massive urgency because of the outrage generated by this itv drama , despite the fact, of drama, despite the fact, of course, that this is an issue that's been known about for years, these people have been fighting for justice, years, these people have been fighting forjustice, in some cases for decades. so the beginning of the end , if you

beginning of the end, if you like, in the search for justice, also an upfront payment of 75,000 to those postmasters who weren't convicted. but nevertheless terribly wronged. the group of postmasters that that went to the high court in 2019. so lots happening. um of course, no amount of money will ever be enough. potentially can concerns too about the judiciary. the fact that it is not normal. in fact, it's pretty much unprecedented for the government to tell the judiciary what to do and for the judiciary to do it. now, kevin hollinrake has said that that's because this is an exceptional measure being taken in exceptional circumstances, and they will just ask the postmasters to sign a piece of paper declaring that they did not, um, at act unlawfully and if that turns in a very small number of cases , a very small number of cases, uh, not to be the case. and they did in fact defraud the post

office, it leaves the way open to, to prosecute them. but lots of focus now on who should be held accountable . you know, it's held accountable. you know, it's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. it seems that these postmasters were presumed guilty and couldn't prove themselves innocent, because everybody just believed that the honzon everybody just believed that the horizon system was not at fault for many, many years years. focus now on fujitsu specifically, um calls for the justice secretary, alex chalk, among others, saying that if it's found in the public inquiry that fujitsu were in the wrong , that fujitsu were in the wrong, which i think is highly likely , which i think is highly likely, um, that they should be footing the bill for compensation that's estimated to be at about £1 billion. okay. >> thank you. catherine katherine forster there in westminster . well, joining the westminster. well, joining the studio now is a friend of the show, barrister sam fowles . and show, barrister sam fowles. and unbeknown to us, sam, when we've interviewed you before, you actually represented some the actually represented some of the subpostmasters in the appeals process 2021. is that right?

process in 2021. is that right? >> yes, that's that's right. >> yes, that's that's right. >> that was actually took >> that was my i actually took that case over months that case over three months before the trial. that case over three months befyi'e the trial. that case over three months befyi took trial. that case over three months befyi took it'ial. that case over three months befyi took it over from, from >> i took it over from, from another barrister. um, and on my very had to go into very first day we had to go into the court of appeal and argue that we should allowed to say that we should be allowed to say this isn't just an unfair trial, this isn't just an unfair trial, this isn't just an unfair trial, this is that these these prosecutions should never have been brought in the first place. and i'm really pleased that we did that, because that was the decision that the court of appeal came to in 2021. >> how were these people found guilty , 80 who was not joining guilty, 80 who was not joining the dots in a situation like this? you think somebody would have gone, hang on a minute. we had all of these hard working postmasters subpostmasters for years suddenly nearly 900 of years and suddenly nearly 900 of them, 900 over 900 of them, have all got their hands in the till. they can't. that's that's too big a coincidence. why, sam? >> well, because people made bad decisions. i don't think. >> who are those people? >> who are those people? >> well, people at every level of office made bad of the post office made bad decisions and what decisions here. and what came out during the was and

out during the appeals was and what court found was that what the court found was that instead of investigating every possible avenue and chasing down all the leads and figuring out what happened, the post office made up its mind about what it was going to argue and made up its that the blame was its mind that the blame was going on. these sub postmasters, and completely and that was completely wrong and that was completely wrong and because there and unjustifiable because there were error reports with the honzon were error reports with the horizon going back into horizon system going back into the so we knew there was or the 90s. so we knew there was or someone knew that there were real problems with this system . real problems with this system. it do what it was it didn't do what it was supposed instead of supposed to do, but instead of fixing it , they covered it up by fixing it, they covered it up by putting the blame on. >> a heck of an >> that's a heck of an allegation that they they actually covered it up. >> well, i think they did. and the appeal court judge has effectively said the crown prosecution service needs to be involved and there could be criminal prosecutions. you dealt with these with some of these subpostmasters. were they broken ? >> 7- >> god, emu exem- ? >> god, i really struggled to >> god, i, i really struggled to sort of express this . sort of express this. >> you've watched the series episode. >> i've watched the series and, you know, was in court when you know, i was in court when those sitting next to my clients there when, when the convictions

were overturned and, and 39, i think had their convictions overturned or something. >> yeah. yeah >> yeah. yeah >> uh 43 4343 and, you know, they cried. we cried . it was we they cried. we cried. it was we just and the particular group that i was was representing , just and the particular group that i was was representing, and we ended up just, just the, the five of us, you know, them and the, the lawyers kind of just going into a little corner by ourselves for a little while. and to just try and process the enormity it because, i mean, enormity of it because, i mean, one my clients was, i think , one of my clients was, i think, in her early 20s, when was in her early 20s, when she was convicted entire life convicted and her entire life she'd had a dishonesty conviction hanging over her. and that's, you know , that's not that's, you know, that's not like just getting into scrap like just getting into a scrap and a ticket that and or getting a ticket that affects your whole life. >> just honest. >> just honest. >> i spoke to ian warren, who's one of those postmasters who had his conviction lifted. he's 77 now, and he said he never gets this back. he he handed over £18,000. he knew he hadn't done anything wrong. but in the end he accepted a guilty verdict . he

he accepted a guilty verdict. he got a nine month suspended prison sentence because his lawyer said otherwise . if you if lawyer said otherwise. if you if you don't plead guilty, you might go to prison. yeah. how shameful is that? and of course he's got his pardon, but it can never bring back the damage done to him. his standing in the local community. >> well, how can you give back someone 20 years of their life? what amount of money can can do that? and this is you know, this is why i've used quite strong language it, because language about it, because these were were going were were people that were going to court the post office had to court and the post office had evidence exonerate evidence that could exonerate them. knew that there them. yeah, it knew that there were error reports with were these error reports with horizon. you know , horizon. and it is, you know, everyone, it's the first thing you learn when you become a barrister that you give the other all of the evidence other side all of the evidence that you've that that you've got and that discovery process, it's called discovery process, it's called discovery it as discovery and you do it as quickly as possible. and and then you fight on fair terms. and that's what the post office didn't do. they, they never fought on fair terms. >> and the headline in the telegraph post office telegraph today, post office handed for handed out bonuses for convictions. yeah and the and we've got somebody giving

evidence that their evidence today saying that their statements written for them statements were written for them effectively by the effectively investigators by the post office's lawyers. what the hell. >> i mean, this is why it's so shocking because for just >> i mean, this is why it's so shocking because forjust me, shocking because for just me, there was such , i think, a pr there was such, i think, a pr thing going on here as well because, i mean, looking back to, to her, right when horizon was first, first created back in the 90s, this was the largest non—military computer system , non—military computer system, um, in europe at the time. so this was something they were really proud of. and so they didn't want they didn't want people to know it didn't work very and this we're very well. and this is we're seeing sort reputation of seeing the sort of reputation of the and, and the pr the institution and, and the pr being put ahead of, of ordinary people. and i know that the post office has the scandal has sort office has the scandal has sort of been set aside as this kind of been set aside as this kind of unique thing. and everyone's saying it's the greatest miscarriage of justice. and certainly by numbers, it's it is. the fact that public is. but the fact that public institutions and indeed some private institutions put the interests of the institution ahead of ordinary people. that's

something that happens far too much. it's an institution that's been with us for 380, 800, 390 years. >> to think it could behave like that. and get away with it for quite a few years and totally, unnecessarily as well. >> because ironically, if you look back, if you'd had a few headunes look back, if you'd had a few headlines saying post office computer system doesn't work , computer system doesn't work, everyone would have shrugged and gone, oh, here we go. yeah. no, you know, always doesn't work. >> surprise. >> surprise. >> a big it system thing >> we had a big it system thing that didn't work on gordon brown's we shocked brown's watch, and we shocked ourselves. we go. we're not ourselves. here we go. we're not very this. always happens. >> and again, what >> but what? and again, what boggles mind is yes, we've boggles the mind is yes, we've politicians have got on board with this now for my money, with this this now for my money, they got on board they should have got on board with in they had with this in 2021. they had a very, very clear statement from the appeal. the court of appeal. >> should have ten years >> it should have been ten years earlier. think you yeah, earlier. i think you yeah, i could probably board with could probably get on board with that well. alan bates that as well. alan bates contacted, um, ed davey , the contacted, um, ed davey, the then postal postal affairs minister, he said what minister, and he said what purpose served a purpose would be served by a meeting? sure thing. >> and that's the >> and that's. and that's the theme, right? that runs through all is a lack of

all of this is just a lack of curiosity by people in power, a lack of imagination. >> davis said . >> david davis said. >> david davis said. >> a lack of >> and just a lack of willingness to take the side even , even if all you're doing even, even if all you're doing is investigate , going to take is investigate, going to take the side ordinary citizens the side of ordinary citizens against powerful people and go hang on, maybe someone in power has got this wrong here. maybe i need to look into this. >> where does this go next? from a of view, how we a legal point of view, how do we get the people who should be stood dock the dock? stood in the dock in the dock? >> well, we need investigate. >> well, we need to investigate. and really pleased to hear and i was really pleased to hear last, last week that there's fraud investigator actions being openedin fraud investigator actions being opened in relation to, to by the police by the police, not by the post office themselves. >> this time hopefully. >> this time hopefully. >> and i think there's talk about the post office losing its power to prosecute. it should which i think is a good is a right thing. and i think i think i have, you know, deep personal worries any organisation worries about any organisation that's the prosecutor that's not the cps prosecutor because much easier to hold because it's much easier to hold the cps to account than than other but we need the other people. but we need the police investigating because the

essence of fraud is , is have you essence of fraud is, is have you told a lie to get some sort of benefit out of someone? and it seems to me that there's certainly a prima facie case for investigation that a lot of people involved in this have told lies to get financial benefits . benefits. >> and just finally, sam, the post office minister, kevin hollinrake, who's been pursuing this from the backbenches for many years, think he's been many years, i think he's been very used very impressive. he used an extra ordinary word in the despatch box yesterday. he described the post office, the tactics behaviour tactics of behaviour as malevolent. is a really malevolent. that is a really emotive, strong word. you don't expect to hear that when there's emotive, strong word. you don't exjongoingear that when there's emotive, strong word. you don't exjongoing ,3r that when there's emotive, strong word. you don't exjongoing , uh,|at when there's emotive, strong word. you don't exjongoing , uh, inquiry1there's emotive, strong word. you don't exjongoing , uh, inquiry goinge's emotive, strong word. you don't exjongoing , uh, inquiry going on an ongoing, uh, inquiry going on and there could be criminal proceedings. i hope there are. i think he's right. this was wicked. >> yeah. and i think obviously with the caveat that i, i want the prosecutions of people involved here to be successful and i don't want to do anything to of course, undermine it, you know, to get in the way of that. but, you know, speaking politically and there it, it, it would certainly felt would certainly have felt malevolent were on the malevolent if you were on the end of it, if you had someone

thatis end of it, if you had someone that is pursuing you ruthlessly and unfairly, not giving you a fair chance, that's going to feel malevolent and that's going to just absolutely crush your any kind of hope or or belief or confidence that you have in pubuc confidence that you have in public authorities . and that's public authorities. and that's a tragedy. >> and we shouldn't forget. four of these people took their own lives , and another postmistress lives, and another postmistress said she would have she said she would have done if she wasn't pregnant. yeah and that's and lives ruined. divorce and many lives ruined. divorce houses savings gone houses sold, family savings gone forever, i think. >> and again we how you can't compensate that. but more than anything else that we've got to hold people accountable. >> one of our viewers, sam, just briefly because we've got to move on. one of our viewers has messaged here to say it is still happening this is lesley. she said, my sister has her wages deducted from her. if her till is down, she regularly questions it loses 50 to £900 it but she loses 50 to £900 every month. strongly believe every month. i strongly believe it's happening. it's still happening. no one's looking into it, no one's listening. be interested to listening. i'd be interested to see other people working see if any other people working at office are still at the post office are still having issues with this system.

system is in place, isn't it? >> it's still in place. it's still by fujitsu. and do you still run by fujitsu. and do you know what the great irony of it is? if these convictions are quashed, the system that records convictions and convictions being is also run by being quashed is also run by fujitsu. they've billion fujitsu. they've had 2 billion in government contracts acts since when it's when it since 2019, when it's when it all came out. and that's what i'm talking about. it should all be frozen until they pay. >> pay back every >> they should pay back every bit compensation. why should >> they should pay back every bit taxpayer nsation. why should >> they should pay back every bit taxpayer be tion. why should >> they should pay back every bit taxpayer be paying hy should >> they should pay back every bit taxpayer be paying for;hould >> they should pay back every bit taxpayer be paying for this?i the taxpayer be paying for this? >> right. the >> absolutely right. the corporate a it's great for corporate world a it's great for the man. the little man. >> to have the studio. >> lovely to see you sam. sam files there now now still to come labour announced plans come as labour announced plans to kids brushing their to get your kids brushing their teeth breakfast and teeth at breakfast clubs and having vaccinated in your having them vaccinated in your house. do you like the idea of a labour nanny state? you're with britain's newsroom on .

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>> and at the time, that was nanny state stuff . we have got a nanny state stuff. we have got a crisis of children's dental health. ruth, i'm going to see my granddaughter for later this afternoon. and it is terrifying. unless you've got private insurance, unless you're rishi sunak, unless you're, well off. there just isn't children's dental health. there are other things to do. we've got a crisis of obesity with two out of five children leaving school at the end of school years , clinically end of school years, clinically obese. end of school years, clinically obese . and it's a funny thing . obese. and it's a funny thing. the tories greatest achievement andrew and bev life expectancy in britain has started to go down slightly. if we project current figures forward , this is current figures forward, this is a nanny state. this is investing in the children of britain and it should be a cross party issue. >> dennis. >> dennis. >> but you're making this party political, aren't you? in your usual way. and you know that it was getting more and more difficult to get to an nhs dentist when labour are in power. i lost my nhs dentist 20 years ago when were in

years ago when your lot were in government. dennis if you want a bash back you always say everything that tony did. >> blair did was gordon brown did was wonderful. no not at all. but this is now should be recognised. it's taken us, what, ten, 15 years to recognise the horrors of the injustice of the honzon horrors of the injustice of the horizon scandal. whilst we waited another ten, 15 years, 1 or 2 more different parties in power before we realise that our children are getting some of the worst deals in the advanced world and so little things like abolishing vape ads aimed at kids . no problem with that. yes kids. no problem with that. yes i've got no difficulty in if parents aren't doing children's teeth , then somebody has to. teeth, then somebody has to. that's what community. that's what society exists to do . are what society exists to do. are we set up under labour? sure. start a hot meal for every child. abolished by david cameron and nick clegg. don't forget the liberal democrat.

very good. there is on this . uh, very good. there is on this. uh, and i'm frankly , i'm and i'm frankly, i'm enthusiastic about everything starbucks starbucks does . but a starbucks starbucks does. but a party that puts the children of britain first. why not? >> what about this idea, dennis? >> what about this idea, dennis? >> that health visitors will be now able to go to in into family homes and to distribute childhood vaccination schedules in the family home? that feels a little sinister for it does until i go back to canvassing , until i go back to canvassing, knocking on doors and mps on the whole do go into people's homes. >> they're invited in and you see girls, young women who've had their legs amputated because they didn't get treatment for meningitis. i don't think you, meningitis. i don't think you, me certainly not. rishi sunak has the faintest idea of some of the levels of poverty in this country . and if we can get into

country. and if we can get into those homes and just persuade mums and dads to mums , very mums and dads to mums, very often single mothers like my mother was a widow that this is what's necessary to help your child. i think that would be welcome . we power them in just welcome. we power them in just after babies are born . i know after babies are born. i know i've got grandchildren arriving all the time now and then we started to come to a dead stop andifs started to come to a dead stop and it's left up to the parents. >> what about this idea of a free breakfast club in every primary school as well? there'd be many families that don't need a free breakfast club. they can quite afford to pay for their own children's breakfast. the labour are going to just be spending the taxpayer money spending all the taxpayer money on don't need it. on kids that don't need it. >> beverly, we did that. it was called surestart. and of course it's made a huge difference in my constituency. of course , the my constituency. of course, the majority of people, uh , parents majority of people, uh, parents said they give their children a decent breakfast and, and send them off to school. but there are an awful lot who can't . i

are an awful lot who can't. i mean, marcus rashford, there's so many great people who've insisted on it. so sadiq khan has made that operational now in london. i think that would probably win him the election. and more than that, the ulez stuff. and i think that again, is a good idea. of course, it's not for everyone, but it made such a difference when labour brought that in 20 years ago. and then it was unwound, especially by the liberal democrats, who operated this ultra right . wing, ultra ultra right. wing, ultra neoliberal ideology. and i think many tories, i mean, the tory party of disraeli and margaret thatcher, winston churchill wouldn't have had any problems with that. >> do you have a theory, dennis, as to why parents can't teach their children to clean their teeth anymore, or why they don't uphold ? have have uphold it? you have to have a zero approach in the zero tolerance approach in the house brushing teeth. house about brushing your teeth. kids do it. i have kids don't want to do it. i have a row with my morning and night every single day, but it's a rule that prepared to have. rule that i'm prepared to have. why so many parents not why are so many parents not having that row with their kids anymore? can't you anymore? well, i can't say you can't ask question to uh,

can't ask a question to you, uh, bev, because it's some years since i had little children and i've got tiny grandchildren . i've got tiny grandchildren. >> uh, but i'm sure their parents will teach them to brush if they are already there, making it fun. there's lots of great sort of, uh, paw patrol videos you can get to get the kids to brush their teeth. >> and there's never been so much for kids in a much education for kids in a way, topic. you can way, about this topic. you can show a video your phone. show them a video on your phone. >> but up or down to >> yeah, but up or down to a point, i can take you from where i'm speaking in westminster constituency, where the richest places in britain i could walk you about a mile, go into housing association flats with single mothers with 3 or 4 children, mould everywhere, telephone wires hanging off the wall because no repairs are done, because the conservative governments cut all the support for housing association. and it stinks damp and mould, and the young mother says okay, maybe she shouldn't have had all those children. we did it, says i. we

all stick together in one room and i take them out at 8:00 in the morning and spend all of the day out of that flat that we don't we're not, you know, we don't we're not, you know, we don't report this anymore. we just don't know the state of our own country. i'm afraid there's a lot of poverty at the root of a lot of poverty at the root of a lot of this. >> dennis, i don't disagree with you that. you. so much, you on that. thank you. so much, denis macshane there. and i have to say, that's start to say, that's sure start programme was really it was the brainchild of the late tessa jowell, who was it was a great woman, woman. i jowell, who was it was a great wonan, woman. i jowell, who was it was a great wonan, mum woman. i jowell, who was it was a great wonan, mum when woman. i jowell, who was it was a great wonan, mum when thatnan. i jowell, who was it was a great wonan, mum when that was i jowell, who was it was a great wonan, mum when that was out. was a new mum when that was out. and i remember there was a little sure start centre where you could go as a new mum with your there would be a your baby and there would be a health and there would health visitor and there would be somebody would just say, be somebody that would just say, you didn't it. my you know, i didn't need it. my mum amazing, she was on mum was amazing, she was on hand, but a lot of people don't have that and they just have that support and they just said, how up said, you know how to heat up the milk or do you know the milk safely or do you know how to a nappy and that how to change a nappy and that support as support that we've lost as communities? village. communities? it takes a village. yeah anyway, so yeah it does anyway, um, so there we are. >> by way, i brushed my >> um, by the way, i brushed my teeth probably four times a day. >> so i have to

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weeknights from six. >> ulez britain's newsroom on gp news with andrew pierce and bev turner and they're back in the studio round two. former studio for round two. former labour scarlett mccgwire labour adviser scarlett mccgwire and the broadcaster and journalist malone to journalist carole malone to discuss whatever their discuss whatever takes their fancy. we've done a lot of fancy. well we've done a lot of post office, but i know you're both keen to do it again, aren't you? >> well, keen to do a bit of it, i suppose. >> i'm keen on what's happened today touched on >> i'm keen on what's happened to before touched on >> i'm keen on what's happened to before and touched on >> i'm keen on what's happened to before and tsaying on it before and you were saying that, um, know, these these that, um, you know, these these post investigators were post office investigators were actually bonuses for actually paid cash bonuses for the number of prosecutions that they got. um, and i mean, that kind of that just shows the culture that existed within the post. yeah. the culture of loathing for their own employees that they weren't hammered them. >> whatever. yeah >> whatever. yeah >> i mean, fact that they >> i mean, the fact that they wouldn't questions about wouldn't ask questions about what and suppose what was going on, and i suppose the other thing that has got me over this ed davey in a over this is, um, ed davey in a i've listened to him trying to

wriggle out of responsibility over last couple of days, over the last couple of days, andifs over the last couple of days, and it's actually it's pretty sickening, really. keeps on sickening, really. he keeps on saying, know, um, not not to saying, you know, um, not not to do with guv. know, i was do with me, guv. you know, i was misled. i didn't well, he misled. i didn't know. well, he should because should have known because you should have known because you should him when should have known because you should the him when should have known because you should the job him when should have known because you should the job in him when should have known because you should the job in 2010, him when should have known because you should the job in 2010, there /hen he took the job in 2010, there was already a report that had come the before, which come out the year before, which was year long was the result of a year long investigation version and which showed the flaws of the horizon system. also, there was a report ten before, um , that after ten years before, um, that after it was trialled in the north east, which predicted exactly what was going to happen and it has now happened. so i just think there's a lot of people who've got a lot of questions to answer. >> ed davey has been he's been really point out he's really keen to point out he's saying he was lied to and he doesn't isn't here to doesn't know he isn't here to defend but he he he, he defend himself, but he he he, he should pushed back against should have pushed back against he pushed and he should have pushed back and said, many postmasters? >> so many being >> why are so many being prosecuted? where was his prosecuted? yes. where was his curiosity? no. curiosity? um no. >> i think it's tough and i think it's tough that you go into government and you don't really know anything. and which

is what happened. what i can't understand about ed davey is, is he's known for a very long time that he screwed up when he was in charge. i mean, he screwed up. there's question up. there's no question about that. you say sorry, right. but why he didn't a year ago, i mean, you know, long before this television thing, there'd been inquiries , there'd be lots of inquiries, there'd be lots of journalists have been working on this, exposing it quite this, um, exposing it quite rightly. and why he didn't go. look, i'm really sorry i screwed up, and i'm now going to lead the fight . i up, and i'm now going to lead the fight. i mean, it was. and instead, now, much, much later , instead, now, much, much later, though, i would like to say i mean, i do disagree with lee anderson saying he's responsible for suicides. he's people responsible for suicides are actually people who are working in the post office who who decide to do the lying. yeah and i think i do think that those people need to be exposed. yeah. >> and suicide is a very complicated issue. >> very, very complicated thing. but you know, was was doing but you know, i was i was doing a something yesterday and i heard this gentleman called richard hawkes who been

richard hawkes, who had been a subpostmaster run a little shop with the post office and the thing and he talked how he thing and he talked about how he had to stealing 11 had to admit to stealing 11 grand, didn't. but they grand, which he didn't. but they closed his post office. but they said to him, if you don't, the judge and court said to him, judge and the court said to him, if you don't, he forced to if you don't, he was forced to admit accounting. admit false accounting. the judge you pay admit false accounting. the judge penny you pay admit false accounting. the judge penny of)u pay admit false accounting. the judge penny of this pay admit false accounting. the judge penny of this back, ay admit false accounting. the judge penny of this back, you'll every penny of this back, you'll go he had to work go to jail. so he had to work for the next 2 or 3 years for no money at to all pay back money that anybody. that he didn't know anybody. and where money that's been where has this money that's been paid where has this money that's been painhat's gone. >> that's gone. >> that's gone. >> where all >> that's gone. >> where >> that's where we all want to know gone. know where has gone. >> it never owed . so who's >> it was never owed. so who's got it? >> well, n got it? >> well, i think >> well, that's why i think paula vennells, chief paula vennells, the chief executive, her executive, should repay her bonuses bonus was executive, should repay her bon bonus bonus was executive, should repay her bon bonus calculated bonus was executive, should repay her bon bonus calculated on ms was executive, should repay her bon bonus calculated on the was the bonus calculated on the bafis the bonus calculated on the basis of these millions. basis of some of these millions. frankly that went back into the post because them post office because some of them were 30, £40,000. were paying back 30, £40,000. well, she's another one that should have apologised long, long ago, right? >> mean, you know, the maybe >> i mean, you know, the maybe the, the most of the people in britain didn't wake up to it until the itv brilliant , until the itv brilliant, brilliant itself. but but people like paula vennells, we knew i

mean if i, if everybody on this panel knew, she knew she, she knew . and there were a lot of knew. and there were a lot of people who need, needed to say sorry a long time ago. yes. >> and when you consider she has a deeply christian faith, which is discovered is admirable, we discovered yesterday , deacon, she was yesterday, deacon, she was nearly the bishop of london. she was on the shortlist recommended by archbishop welby , who have by archbishop welby, who have always no always known has got no judgement. where is the penitence? >> where is the penance ? the >> where is the penance? the bottom is, in fact, scott >> where is the penance? the bott in is, in fact, scott >> where is the penance? the botti were is, in fact, scott >> where is the penance? the botti were is, in fabout:ott >> where is the penance? the botti were is, in fabout this. and i were talking about this. we didn't she we were saying, why didn't she apologise? guessing she apologise? and i'm guessing she was her lawyers. was advised by her lawyers. yes, yes, for now to say that was advised by her lawyers. yes, yes, cares or now to say that was advised by her lawyers. yes, yes, cares about now to say that was advised by her lawyers. yes, yes, cares about these) say that was advised by her lawyers. yes, yes, cares about these victims.t she cares about these victims. no she doesn't. she cared more about herself. even now. she cares about herself than about herself. even now. she carevictims about herself than about herself. even now. she carevictims ofout herself than about herself. even now. she carevictims of this|erself than about herself. even now. she carevictims of this travesty|an about herself. even now. she carevictims of this travesty , n the victims of this travesty, which itself is shocking . which is in itself is shocking. >> and she said, she said, i've listened . i've heard. yeah, listened. i've heard. yeah, she's giving cbe back . no, she's giving the cbe back. no, she's giving the cbe back. no, she's giving the cbe back. no, she's giving it back. she was forced. was stripped from forced. she it was stripped from her forfeiture committee, her by the forfeiture committee, which humiliating which we've been humiliating a million people. >> yeah. that in a few >> yeah. signed that in a few days. they should. i mean, it it is i mean, that's what's so shocking is, is the lack of

penitence. yeah. yeah. of a lot of people. right but you know what i found sickening yesterday was to hear davie talking about how we must concentrate on the victims. are these poor victims ? victims. are these poor victims? this is only to deflect attention from himself . and, you attention from himself. and, you know, the lib dems wheeled out a woman called christine garbutt yesterday who works in the yesterday who was works in the cabinet yesterday who was works in the cabine'dave is guilty nothing saying dave is guilty of nothing and she she was going on about these poor victims. i said he had his to look after had his chance to look after these victims. these poor victims. >> bates, there was >> he told alan bates, there was no purpose to be served by having meeting. having a meeting. >> and brought this thing >> and she brought up this thing and check this >> and she brought up this thing and i'm check this >> and she brought up this thing and i'm hoping check this >> and she brought up this thing and i'm hoping the check this >> and she brought up this thing and i'm hoping the media ck this >> and she brought up this thing and i'm hoping the media check; out. i'm hoping the media check this out, she said he did meet alan said, when alan bates. i said, well, when did him? did he meet him? >> eventually. he did eventually, but couldn't eventually, but she couldn't give eventually, but she couldn't giv yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> damaging talking of >> so it's damaging talking of victims at this bibi

victims let's look at this bibi bibi stockholm story. >> albanian asylum seeker >> so the albanian asylum seeker who believed we believe he took his scarlett in his own life, scarlett in december, 12th of december, his roommate, um , has spoken to the roommate, um, has spoken to the bbc and he has said that unless there are changes, there will be more people taking their lives on the bbc stockholm, he said the list of complaints he's not on there anymore, but he said he gets messages to say that the showers are it has showers are cold and it has unreliable wi—fi on the boat and poor quality food. >> but what can i say? >> but what can i say? >> not everyone in this country has good wi—fi. you go to certain parts of country, you can't get wi—fi. getting it free. >> i also thought about the cold showers, actually, as i froze in my house. >> there we are. >> there we are. >> no no no no, i think it's awful to i think the problem the problem with i mean, these people shouldn't be on the bibby stockholm because we should have a decent asylum system that actually we don't has sent. yeah. but has. so where do they go? sent sent the album go? sent has sent the album home. right. because actually,

you know that because he shouldn't have been here anyway. he should have been ich. all these people should have been processed. right. and it is ridiculous that we are paying £8 million a to put people up million a day to put people up in hotels. god knows how much. but can i say you say that, but you know, we're talking like life on this boat is hell on earth. no, it is not. know, earth. no, it is not. you know, our lives on boats like our navy lives on boats like this. and conditions exactly like and when people come like this. and when people come to illegally, what to this country illegally, what on earth do they expect? do they really think it is our job to give great wi—fi? you know give them great wi—fi? you know this guy who shared a room this this guy who shared a room with poor unfortunate who with the poor unfortunate who killed himself. you know, it's too easy to say he killed himself because of the conditions of the bibby stockholm. course he didn't. conditions of the bibby stochuym. course he didn't. conditions of the bibby stochuy was course he didn't. conditions of the bibby stochuy was from �*se he didn't. conditions of the bibby stochuy was from albania. in't. conditions of the bibby stochuy was from albania. he. this guy was from albania. he wasn't from war torn country. wasn't from a war torn country. his health were his mental health issues were not was fleeing war not because he was fleeing war and persecution. he had other things wrong. but, know, to things wrong. but, you know, to cite as examples of people harming themselves cold showers and bad wi—fi please. you know,

and bad wi—fi please. you know, and are we supposed to feel sorry suicides to amongst people accommodate in some of these hotels there have been absolutely. >> and there would have been problems with the showers in some of these hotels too. >> but they don't have a gym and some of these hotels too. >.gameshey don't have a gym and some of these hotels too. >.games room )n't have a gym and some of these hotels too. >.games room int have a gym and some of these hotels too. >.games room in these a gym and some of these hotels too. >.games room in these hotels, and a games room in these hotels, unlike the bibby stockholm do well , do they? unlike the bibby stockholm do welsome they? unlike the bibby stockholm do welsome ofay? unlike the bibby stockholm do welsome of them do what i'm >> some of them do what i'm saying that there is saying is that there is unnecessary. but i mean, you read it and they do the problem is so some people shouldn't be there and some people are fleeing persecution and those fleeing persecution and those fleeing persecution and those fleeing persecution do have, you know, they have serious mental health problems. they shouldn't just they don't have a right to. great. why? no, i'm not. seriously, carol, that's not what i'm saying. but this is. but this is what what i'm but this is what carol, what i'm saying is that if we process saying is, is that if we process them properly, that actually we send home who send the people home who shouldn't here, and the shouldn't be here, and the people are here, we to people who are here, we need to look after them. that that actually that they don't get put in scotland. if we try to send people home who shouldn't be here, there's an outcry. well, there's court there's an

there's a court case, there's an appeal. people are stopped. actually, are being i mean, actually, they are being i mean, the whole thing is that once they started sending people back to albania , the albanians to albania, the albanians stopped coming. that's true. so if you're talking about things that work, it's actually having a proper process. no, of course you can't send people back to a war country. look, i've had war torn country. look, i've had a refugee from the yemen living with got somebody with me. i've got somebody moving the sudan next moving in from the sudan next week . people cannot go week. those people cannot go back. week. those people cannot go back . no. well, week. those people cannot go back. no. well, mean, there's back. no. well, i mean, there's no point in me sort of virtue signalling. >> you get any do you get any government support for that? >> of course i don't >> of course not. i say i don't want want people want ukrainians. i want people where you don't get government support. there where you don't get government supthere there where you don't get government supthere is there where you don't get government supthere is no there where you don't get government supthere is no question there where you don't get government supthere is no question thatre are there is no question that those people , they they come those people, they they come over there quite desperate . and over there quite desperate. and actually what's incredible about them is they try and go to college and within years, a few years, they'll be taxpayers . years, they'll be taxpayers. good on you for what you're doing. what i'm saying. but but it's fantastic what you're doing. but people, we've got to stop that the bibby stop pretending that the bibby stockholm is hell. it's not.

it's they have everything they need on there. they do everything. it's no . but what everything. it's no. but what i'm trying to say is, is the problem is a lot of them are very traumatised. they shouldn't be like that, right? be in a place like that, right? they should be being processed out. >> but don't you accept scarlets? come on, be honest. deep some these are deep down, some of these are economic migrants. we know young men 30s. economic migrants. we know young me that's 30s. economic migrants. we know young me that's whst. economic migrants. we know young me that's why i'm saying they >> that's why i'm saying they should processed, in which should be processed, in which case processed. case they should be processed. that argument. they that is my argument. is they should be processed. >> we? i want you to defend >> can we? i want you to defend scarlett . uh keir starmer. scarlett. uh keir starmer. talking about the fact that brushing kids teeth is the school's responsibility. >> nanny state. >> nanny state. >> no, no, it's nanny state. there is. >> there is an incredible problem . um, that actually, for problem. um, that actually, for the under tens, the biggest reason going to reason for them going to hospital is terrible. terrible teeth. so do you say? let teeth. so what do you say? let we'll ignore it. or do you say to the schools actually we can we can we look at the young. this is the tiny coming in and how they brush their teeth. how are we going to stop dental decay if a teacher's job, it's a parent's job. it is. teachers

are not paid to teach kids how to brush their teeth. they're paid to teach. this year, this is a parent's job. this is a dereliction of duty from parents. i'm sorry if you have a child, you have to be able to tell them to brush your teeth and their teeth and if you're not prepared don't not prepared to do that, don't just say, we're a lot of just say, we're getting a lot of teachers saying it will just say, we're getting a lot of teaaiers saying it will just say, we're getting a lot of teaa relief saying it will just say, we're getting a lot of teaa relief for saying it will just say, we're getting a lot of teaa relief for teachers|g it will just say, we're getting a lot of teaa relief for teachers to t will just say, we're getting a lot of teaa relief for teachers to show be a relief for teachers to show the children how to clean their teeth. >> it will give us permission to intervene without fear of recrimination. they recrimination. it's not, they said, for instance, you said, because, for instance, you can't night my can't have a night nurse when my kids had over the kids have had nits over the years, said to the years, i've said to the teachers, get the nit teachers, please get the nit nurse. they say we can't embarrass by embarrass the children by pointing got pointing out that they've got nits. have nit nurses when i was >> we have nit nurses when i was a kid, so we have to. >> exactly. and a little of >> exactly. and a little bit of me if we did this, never me thinks if we did this, never then embarrass then we need to not embarrass then we need to not embarrass the children and say, right, you've got clean your you've all got to clean your teeth. it should be parents, teeth. and it should be parents, but it. but they're not doing it. >> we're talking about year >> we're talking about four year olds you so olds and what are you saying? so that got bad parent, that if you've got a bad parent, that's your problem, right? is that i'm saying that parents should ones addressing should be the ones addressing this problem, not teachers, but they're are there they're not. and there are there

are parents who are not are a lot of parents who are not doing it. and rather than the doing it. and so rather than the children going to school, going to hospital with really with decaying teeth , right. what decaying teeth, right. what they're saying is let's teach they're saying is let's teach the children how to i mean , so the children how to i mean, so parents don't really have any response ability for the kids there. that's not what i'm saying is because you're giving them pass and that's on. them a pass and that's on. teaching kids debate teaching their kids is a debate we're going having between teaching their kids is a debate we'r responsibility are >> on whose responsibility are is the family right. that's it from britain's next. from britain's newsroom up next. good afternoon. >> to brush my >> i'm going off to brush my teeth by tom and pip. >> have bad >> he doesn't really have bad breath. we'll see you next week. here and pip. here are tom and pip. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> glad brushed my teeth this morning. >> i, otherwise we would >> so am i, otherwise we would be trouble. be in trouble. >> listen, we're going be >> listen, we're going to be talking about the resumption of the post office inquiry. >> eyes it today as a >> all eyes are on it today as a post office investigator gives evidence and denies that he and other investigators behaved like mafia gangsters. >> we're also going to be turning our eyes to the royal navy ships currently in the red sea. being attacked by iran

backed rebels. what does that mean for britain and, uh, it is getting colder again , this getting colder again, this arctic blast. >> here's the latest forecast. >> here's the latest forecast. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> morning. i'm alex deakin . >> morning. i'm alex deakin. this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. another chilly one out there today. again most of us will be dry . quite there today. again most of us will be dry. quite a there today. again most of us will be dry . quite a lot of will be dry. quite a lot of cloud around where we've had the clear skies in the south. it's another frosty start and a frosty clear start in north western parts of scotland. but elsewhere we've seen quite a bit of again . it is producing of cloud again. it is producing 1 or light showers here and 1 or 2 light showers here and there parts northern there over parts of northern england, not really england, but not really amounting to very much . as amounting to very much. as i said, places will be dry. said, most places will be dry. the feel of the day, though, will really depend on that cloud. under cloud. if you're stuck under it, even temperatures be cloud. if you're stuck under it, eilittle temperatures be cloud. if you're stuck under it, eilittle higheramperatures be cloud. if you're stuck under it, eilittle higher at peratures be cloud. if you're stuck under it, eilittle higher at 7eratures be cloud. if you're stuck under it, eilittle higher at 7 or:ures be a little higher at 7 or 8 celsius, it will feel pretty cold once more. but in the sunny spells across south wales,

southwest england and western scotland may too bad. scotland may not feel too bad. although the frost will come back quickly here through back pretty quickly here through this evening and overnight elsewhere. we'll keep a lot of cloud that should help to prevent so won't be prevent a frost, so it won't be as cold tonight across the south as cold tonight across the south as it was last night. most places staying above freezing thanks to that cloud, or as it'll probably be colder across central scotland, southern scotland and northern ireland with more of a frost. maybe some fog possible too, fog patches are possible too, and they could be slow to clear where they do

gb news. >> good afternoon britain. it's thursday the 11th of january. mafia gangsters, a post office in alligator has forced to deny behaving like an organised criminal towards subpostmaster , criminal towards subpostmaster, as the post office horizon inquiry resumes, the post office has faced accusations of looking to collect bounty with threats and lies . and lies. >> cancer , heartache, sven—goran >> cancer, heartache, sven—goran eriksson reveals he has terminal cancer. >> cancen >> the former england manager has disclosed he has at best, a year left to live going, going crown from dazzling costumes to a life sized replica of the imperial state coach, props designed for the tv series. >> the crown are on display in

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