gb news. >> good afternoon britain. it's thursday the 11th of january. mafia gangsters, a post office in alligator has forced to deny behaving like an organised criminal towards subpostmaster , criminal towards subpostmaster, as the post office horizon inquiry resumes, the post office has faced accusations of looking to collect bounty with threats and lies . and lies. >> cancer , heartache, sven—goran >> cancer, heartache, sven—goran eriksson reveals he has terminal cancer. >> cancen >> the former england manager has disclosed he has at best, a year left to live going, going crown from dazzling costumes to a life sized replica of the imperial state coach, props designed for the tv series. >> the crown are on display in

london for three weeks before going up for auction next month. >> now this horizon it inquiry, the post office scandal inquiry has resumed today. i suppose that reminds us that really it has been going on for some years now , but a lot more people , now, but a lot more people, while millions, more people are suddenly more interested in it. >> tom and today it is stephen bradshaw , a post office bradshaw, a post office investigator , who is giving investigator, who is giving evidence to the inquiry. >> he was involved in the criminal investigation of nine subpostmasters and he accused apparently a subpostmistress , of apparently a subpostmistress, of telling a pack of lies. >> and this is where we're getting all of these stock quotes from the official inquiry , presenting all of these

accusations of this investigator andindeed accusations of this investigator and indeed other investigators of acting like mafia bosses of pressuring people, trying to squeeze bounty out of those they were investigating. >> yeah, they've also been accused of bully ing by the victims arms. >> and there's been various extracts of interviews that they've released that subpostmasters and mistresses did with these investigators letters. >> he also , stephen bradshaw, >> he also, stephen bradshaw, said a statement signed by him declaring the post office's absolute confidence in the honzon absolute confidence in the horizon it system, which we now know was complete flawed. >> that statement was actually written by lawyers , not by him. written by lawyers, not by him. >> remarkable stuff. well, we'll keep you up to date on what we learn as this inquiry now enters its third year. but all of that to come after your headlines with ray .

with ray. >> good afternoon. it's 1203. exactly. our top stories this houn exactly. our top stories this hour. stephen bradshaw , one of hour. stephen bradshaw, one of the investigation managers for the investigation managers for the post office during the time of the horizon scandal, is giving evidence at the inquiry. now. he's defending comments that he made back in 2012 that he had absolute confidence in the horizon it system and was never told of any faults with software there. meanwhile, the justice secretary has said that fujitsu should repay the government for the money spent on the scandal if it's found to be culpable. of course, it comes as pressure grows on the firm behind the faulty software, which made it appear as though money was missing from shops . a money was missing from shops. a us oil tanker has been hijacked by several armed individuals off the coast of oman, and now appears to have changed course towards iran. it comes after a british navy vessel destroyed

several drones fired by houthi rebels at ships in the region. the vessel , called saint the vessel, called saint nicholas, was seized by the united states as part of sanctions against iran , the uk's sanctions against iran, the uk's maritime trade operation authority received reports of intruders dressed in military style uniforms and masks in the early hours before they lost contact with the vessel. the uk and us governments have said that any further escalation will result in retaliation . in rishi result in retaliation. in rishi sunakis result in retaliation. in rishi sunak is facing two by—election challenges next month. peter bowen lost his wellingborough seat after being suspended from the conservative party when a parliamentary investigation found that he'd committed acts of bullying and sexual misconduct. mr bowen has rejected the findings of the report . meanwhile, former report. meanwhile, former minister chris skidmore resigned from his kingswood seat this week over his opposition to the government's green policies. he now says he won't support the tories . exact dates are yet to tories. exact dates are yet to be announced for when the votes will take place. former england

boss sven—goran eriksson says he has a year to live after being diagnosed with cancer. he was first the first foreign coach to manage england and leading the so—called golden generation of footballers, including david beckham, steven gerrard , wayne beckham, steven gerrard, wayne rooney and frank lampard . he rooney and frank lampard. he also led england to the quarter finals of the 2002 and 2006 world cups, and the ,2,004. the 75 year old says he has at best, a year to live . jeremy . corbyn a year to live. jeremy. corbyn is in the hague with a south african delegation for the country's case against israel , country's case against israel, accusing them of genocide and those watching on television can see live pictures now from the hague.the see live pictures now from the hague. the former labour leader is the only foreign political figure named as part of the delegation to attend the heanngs delegation to attend the hearings comes as mr corbyn publicly described hamas as a terrorist group, but accused the israeli army of being guilty of acts of terror to israel's president, called the case an

atrocious and preposterous political editor for jewish news , lee karpin, told us it's an impossible situation for israel . impossible situation for israel. >> there's no doubt israel does need to fight back against hamas because, um , you know, what because, um, you know, what would do here in this country would we do here in this country were missiles constantly flying in.7 would we just sit back and say, well, we can't fight that force because, oh, because we might kill some innocent people? unfortunately, is the unfortunately, this is the devastating consequence of a horrendous conflict , a critical horrendous conflict, a critical incident has been declared in london after an electric bus was engulfed in flames. >> pictures on social media show the blaze taking up much of the road with the street cordoned off. officers from the met police are advising people to avoid the area on wimbledon hill roadin avoid the area on wimbledon hill road in south west london, with the road blocked off in both directions. the london fire brigade is saying that the cause of the fire is not yet known . of the fire is not yet known. the nhs is failing to hit most

of its key performance targets, despite the overall waiting list dropping according to the latest data. more than 355,000 people in england have been waiting for over 52 weeks to start hospital treatment at the end of november . that's down from more than 377,000 at the end of october, but more than 11,000 people in england have been waiting for over 18 months. the government says it aims to eliminate all waits by more of more than a yeah waits by more of more than a year. by march next year. bird flu has been found in elephant and fur seals near antarctica in the region's first cases of infected mammals, the uk's animal health agency says it has been testing for the h5n1virus on the island of south georgia after they found a few dead seals in october. scientists are saying that the risk to humans remains very low, but they warn that the virus does endanger the delicate and unique ecosystems of the antarctic. the princess

royal has started her second day of engagements in sri lanka by visiting a buddhist temple as part of princess anne's visit to mark 75 years of diplomacy with britain . the temple of the britain. the temple of the sacred tooth relic is the most significant buddhist temple in the country. later the princess will travel to jaffna to meet northern communities. she will also meet members of a charity working to remove munitions from former front line areas . this is former front line areas. this is gb news across the uk on television, in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news now let's get back to . now let's get back to. tom >> the post office inquiry continues as stephen bradshaw, a post office investigator, is giving evidence in central london for phase four of the post office. horizon it inquiry. >> mr bradshaw admitted to

seeing reports of horizon issues in 2010, but said that he was not technically minded and also a little update from downing street because they say that a significant number of the postmasters involved in legal action against the post office will not accept the 75,000 offered by the government. this is because many of them are saying that it just simply does not touch the sides. well let's cross live now to gb news >> national reporter theo chikomba , who is live outside chikomba, who is live outside the inquiry in central london, and theo , what have we been and theo, what have we been learning this morning ? learning this morning? >> yes. well stephen bradshaw is put into worth to mention that he's been working for the post office since 1978. and today he has been quizzed by julian blake, a lawyer , asking him blake, a lawyer, asking him about his professionalism , about about his professionalism, about his written statements, particularly when it comes to the issue regarding the subpostmasters and

postmistresses. now he was involved as an investigator for the post office in a case involving nine subpost masters and postmistresses regarding their criminal intent allegation. and today he's been quizzed about some of the information that he receives, particularly during a time when there were concerns from postmasters. their stories going out into the press , and bradshaw out into the press, and bradshaw was asked about this and he said he simply didn't have the information from those higher up information from those higher up in the organisation. but he was heanng in the organisation. but he was hearing that information from people at his level. so he didn't feel like he needed to act in that specific moment . and act in that specific moment. and he was quizzed about his character. the way he spoke to some of these subpostmasters, particularly one who's been mentioned this morning about £59,000, which was missing . and £59,000, which was missing. and he said to them that they should simply go in earlier to work to ensure that some of these details weren't missed and he said this is just a saying that

he said to this person, just like you would say to a child , like you would say to a child, you need to get up earlier so you need to get up earlier so you can make it in time to school and asked about some of the technical difficulties , he the technical difficulties, he said he is not technically minded and that concerns about honzon minded and that concerns about horizon was that it was working as it should, and that his expertise is around hardware and not the technicalities of the system. this is what he had to say this morning. >> you've been told by your equals that there were newspaper articles. >> you had been told by your equals that there was a growing body cases, but that in body of cases, but that in itself not sufficient for itself was not sufficient for you question reliability you to question the reliability of the horizon system. >> because i'm not technically minded with that. i would expect that to come from the people above. if it was an issue, i would expect fujitsu to inform the the the post office and the post office us what what office to let us know what what the are . and he's also the issues are. and he's also been asked about some of what he wrote in his statement, whether or not what he said or wrote

caused someone to end up in prison, and he maintains that he remained professional at all times as part of the hearing this morning. >> so far, we've seen email and correspondence with other members of the post office and again , they were all saying that again, they were all saying that the system is working and that what he said in those witness statements was professional and that he was doing his job and he was asked also about bonuses , was asked also about bonuses, whether or not what he says would potentially get him a bonus when it comes to convictions being successful. and he said bonuses are given to members of staff every single year as they would do, and they wouldn't be given any extra bonuses should someone be convicted. so the inquiry continues here and there are also fujitsu members of staff who are here, who will be heanng who are here, who will be hearing from next week. but for now, though, stephen bradshaw continues to be quizzed by juuan continues to be quizzed by julian blake here at the inquiry in central london.

>> well, theo chikomba, thank you very much for bringing us that outside the that live from outside the inquiry. we'll of course be back there any spice enters there whenever any spice enters the discussion but yesterday, prime minister rishi sunak announced new legislation to exonerate wrongly convicted post office subpostmasters . office subpostmasters. >> he said there'd be a new up front payment of £75,000 for some of those affected. but as we've been telling you in the last few minutes, downing street says that they expect a significant number of subpostmasters mistresses to subpostmasters and mistresses to refuse that . well, joining us to refuse that. well, joining us to discuss this further is conserved . mp for don valley, conserved. mp for don valley, nick fletcher. good afternoon to you, nick. where do you stand on this issue of the legislature for overturning court decisions? how queasy does it make you because this is going to be an unprecedented act of parliament, isn't it ? isn't it? >> yes it is. »- >> yes it is. >> and obviously there's an awful lot of discussions of whether we can do this without any unintended consequences ,

any unintended consequences, which is what needs to happen. >> but obviously, most people that have seen the documentary drama that was shown last week can only feel for these postmasters . they've had a life postmasters. they've had a life of this. >> some of this have had 20 years of this going to bed and every night waking up every morning with this hanging over them, is them, which is which is a terrible way to live a life. >> it's costing the businesses, it's the reputation . it's costing the reputation. some of them, it's cost them the houses. some of them, it's cost them the houses . so we need to look at houses. so we need to look at this. we need to do everything we to can act as quickly and as swiftly as possible, so that these can actually these people can actually start enjoying what's left the rest enjoying what's left of the rest of lives . of their lives. >> constituents in >> what about constituents in your area in don valley ? nick? your area in don valley? nick? did any approach you for help ? did any approach you for help? >> not that i'm aware of, no, not at this time. i mean, i've spoken to i've got a good relationship to with postmasters in my constituent kc and they've not been affected by this. but what they are saying is that due to the amount of money that the

post office is actually going to have to pay out, they do believe that the actual transaction fees that the actual transaction fees that they're actually having to cope the moment are cope with at the moment are a part of this crisis, too. and some of these post offices are getting £0.07 for each transaction . and the postmasters transaction. and the postmasters that i've dealt with believe this is all part of this issue. that i've dealt with believe this is got part of this issue. that i've dealt with believe this is got tort of this issue. that i've dealt with believe this is got to pay this issue. that i've dealt with believe this is got to pay these ssue. that i've dealt with believe this is got to pay these people we've got to pay these people properly to continue to offering these services. a post office is a vital piece of infrastructure for our country. it's well loved, but we need to treat the people or running these, uh , people or running these, uh, these offices correctly . and these offices correctly. and that means looking after them. um, when we've done wrong, when something's gone off like this has happened, but also looking after them in the future, too. but uh, this this scandal is terrible , and we need to get terrible, and we need to get some moneys out to these people as soon as possible. we need to get these convictions quashed as soon possible. then soon as possible. and then we need proper settlements need fair and proper settlements for the coming months . for them over the coming months. >> certainly. that sounds like it be the beginnings of it could be the beginnings of a scandal upon scandal. we're scandal upon a scandal. if we're squeezing postmasters to

squeezing current postmasters to pay, uh, the previous postmasters , that certainly does postmasters, that certainly does need looking into. but, nick, while you're here, i want to raise a question that appeared at prime minister's questions yesterday. keir starmer accused the prime minister of having not not, not doesn't get britain. those were his words. let's have a listen. >> doesn't the country deserve so much better than a prime minister who simply doesn't get britain? >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> now, the reason i raised this is that one of your colleagues, nadhim zahawi , has said that nadhim zahawi, has said that that , uh, statement nadhim zahawi, has said that that, uh, statement made him flinch when he heard it, saying that those sort of comments were comments . he, as a ethnic comments. he, as a ethnic minority, has had to deal with all of his life. do you think there was some dog whistle undertone to what sir keir starmer said yesterday ? starmer said yesterday? >> yeah, i don't agree with dog

whistle politics. it's not what, it's not what we're here for. um it's, um, it's just pmqs sometimes it just turns into into a farce. and usually because of the poor questions that the opposition leader , uh, that the opposition leader, uh, comes forward with, um, it's his chance to actually question the government. and unfortunately , government. and unfortunately, he uses it to, to try and, uh, have an effect which will win him votes rather than actually help the government and help this country get us to a better place . place. >> do you think that, sir keir starmer would have used the same sort of accusation, saying someone doesn't get britain were it not a prime minister from a minority ethnic background ? minority ethnic background? >> i don't know, i don't want to comment on what it's a keir starmer thinks. um i think it's the labour party that don't get britain. i'm down here because they didn't listen to people in they didn't listen to people in the first place with brexit. they're not listening to people now. the continual to live in their own little westminster bubble. i always call them champagne socialists. they do

not understand the people . when not understand the people. when iknock not understand the people. when i knock on the doors , uh, people i knock on the doors, uh, people are obviously seeing the work that i'm doing and other mps like myself who joined in 2019 and know that we are listening and know that we are listening and really trying to make this country work. unfortunately, the labour just incapable of labour party just incapable of doing that . doing that. >> well, nick fletcher, thank you so much forjoining us here on good afternoon britain. really appreciate your time. >> thank you . >> thank you. >> thank you. >> no, it is interesting there that, um, perhaps he was stepping short of what we heard. nadhim zahawi zahawi say yesterday. um, perhaps it's, uh, perhaps it's a comment that lands differently with people from from different backgrounds. >> i mean, energy secretary clare coutinho, i it was clare coutinho, i think it was her said she will give him her who said she will give him the benefit doubt. the benefit of the doubt. >> starmer, what do you >> keir starmer, what do you think? gb views at gb news. >> com well , think? gb views at gb news. >> com well, in other think? gb views at gb news. >> com well , in other news, the >> com well, in other news, the former england manager , former england manager, sven—goran eriksson has revealed that he's been diagnosed with

terminal cancer and has around a year at most to live . year at most to live. >> the 75 year old told a swedish radio station that the shock news um. he told the radio station the shock news after previously being in a good state of health. well joining us now is the sports journalist harry harris and harry, um, this this is a this is a surprise, i suppose, to a lot of people. >> just remind us about the sort of the history of sven managing the england team and perhaps that famous five one defeat of germany back in 2001. >> yeah, i think i think we should celebrate the fact that he was, um, the national team. >> england national team , first >> england national team, first ever foreign coach. and i remember how badly that went down. you know, it's obviously split the country , split opinion split the country, split opinion among the fans and the media. um, i thought i always thought he was an exceptionally gifted club coach and indeed was at lazio. um, when he took over

from kevin keegan. in fact , i do from kevin keegan. in fact, i do recall actually making a call to, um, alan sugar , who played to, um, alan sugar, who played alan sugar in those days. not so even lord and recommending him to tottenham. i think he picked george graham instead, but that's story. but you that's another story. but you know, he loved the celebrity status. david beckham, you could see there rooney , um, see there wayne rooney, um, never quite got players of this exceptionally gifted players that he had under his um charger with england further than the quarter final in the world cup. of course, we were all recall the five one thumping of germany and that was wonderful . uh, and that was wonderful. uh, michael owen hat trick you know, he was a great, um, a great manager, certainly a club level, whether he was at international level . uh, the jury was out on level. uh, the jury was out on that. but you know, the news to today about about him, uh, is really sad. uh, he was, in fact , really sad. uh, he was, in fact, a hugely colourful figure and, um, mostly around his sex life rather than his football . rather than his football. >> so that was something i was going to ask you , harry, is the going to ask you, harry, is the fact that as a manager, he might

have been excellent , but he was have been excellent, but he was quite. how can i put it quite, quite. how can i put it quite, quite vanilla, i guess. but his private life was something completely different . yes . harry completely different. yes. harry can you still hear me? >> know whether you can hear me? i just lost the sound there. but i can. >> yeah, yeah, just talking about between the about that contrast between the pubuc about that contrast between the public and the private figure, because quite a hit because he was quite a hit with the ladies. sven >> yeah. no one can forget the high heels outside of his door. can we, uh, that was something completely different . i've never completely different. i've never heard that from an england manager. you might not recall the incident, but, uh, that was a lot to do with his private life. um, yeah, well , incident life. um, yeah, well, incident was behind us. >> what incident? that was . harry. >> um. well it's rather a long winded story, but the. he he used to leave his shoes outside of his hotel room for the hotel

staff to polish them . um, and it staff to polish them. um, and it was also possibly a sign that he was also possibly a sign that he was entertaining inside the room as well . but, was entertaining inside the room as well. but, um, was entertaining inside the room as well . but, um, what was as well. but, um, what was noticeable was that he wore high heels because he wasn't on the large side . or isn't still on large side. or isn't still on the large side . um, with his the large side. um, with his height. that is. >> i'm sure that's what you were talking about . talking about. >> goodness me . um, what >> goodness me. um, what happened to sven after, um. man leaving england? because, of course , there was that course, there was that remarkable success, that initial early success. but it didn't all quite go to plan . in 2002. quite go to plan. in 2002. >> no , i mean, you know, he only >> no, i mean, you know, he only managed to qualify for one european championship and as i said, got england to two quarterfinals in the world cup . quarterfinals in the world cup. but with the teams that he had, the players that he had, um, you could say he was unlucky. you know, we all knew about the metatarsal when sven was in

charge because every one of his key players seemed to have one. but he always stuck by them, took them out to the tournaments and they kind of like played and of course, he had this, um, knack of england coming up against, uh, an on fire ronaldo for portugal and never seemed to be able to overcome that. and of course, ronaldo got his team mate rooney sent off. and of course, you know, here we go. we had the era of the wags under sven, you know, um, he didn't object to him turning up in baden—baden and having whale baden—baden and having a whale of getting more of a time and getting more pubuchy of a time and getting more publicity players . publicity than his players. >> and we should just note as well , harry, >> and we should just note as well, harry, that that he's got plenty of support, hasn't he? i can see the clubs that he's managed , you know, are coming managed, you know, are coming out with same that they are all behind him and thinking of him and his family and friends. >> i'm not surprised. you know , >> i'm not surprised. you know, uh, he was a hugely gifted club manager and excelled at some of the clubs that he was at. um,

and, and, you know, he could have gone further with england, but he had a lot of baggage to bnng but he had a lot of baggage to bring with him, not just his private life, of course, private life, but of course, being foreign coach being the first foreign coach for england team. and, um, for an england team. and, um, the then swayed from a the fa then swayed from a foreign coach, then back to an engush foreign coach, then back to an english coach and back to a foreign coach, back to an engush foreign coach, back to an english didn't know what english coach. didn't know what they and, you they were doing. and, uh, you know , fortunately they've know, um, fortunately they've got themselves a decent manager in gareth southgate. but gareth needs to bring a trophy back with with the players he's got as well. so the euros this summer would be a really significant tournament for him . significant tournament for him. >> well, crossed . but >> well, fingers crossed. but harry harris for now, thank you so much for talking through so much for talking us through the life and times and of sven and our thoughts of course, go out to him and his family. thanks for joining out to him and his family. thanks forjoining us. thanks for joining us. >> particularly liked the shoe story . story. >> yes. now coming up, uh, we are going to be reporting from the international court of justice . justice. >> really interesting. this south africa accusing israel of

committing genocide against palestinians in gaza. >> well, this is good afternoon britain on .

isabel monday to thursdays from. six till 930. good afternoon britain. it's 12:28 six till 930. good afternoon britain. it's12:28 and the south african government has accused israel of committing

genocide against palestinians dunng genocide against palestinians during the war in gaza. the international court of justice is hearing a case underway today at the hague. >> israel rejects south africa's allegations of genocide and says it will defend itself at the court. former labour leader jeremy corbyn will join a south african delegation at the icj . african delegation at the icj. well, joining us to discuss this further is gb news home and security editor , mark white. security editor, mark white. mark tell us a little bit more about this and why has south africa brought this case? well well, israel would say that the reason south africa has brought this case is because there has been for decades animosity between , uh, the government in between, uh, the government in south africa and israel over the, uh, stance and relations that israel had with south africa during the apartheid years. >> south africa said that the reason they're bringing this is because there's a shameful episode that is taking place in

gaza at the moment, uh, on the road, they say, to a genocide. and they've been highlighting the number of deaths that have taken place in the relentless, uh, bombardment and missile strikes that have been, um , strikes that have been, um, taking place from israel, targeting hamas. but of course , targeting hamas. but of course, uh, leading to a very significant loss of life among civilians in gaza. they've been highlighting as well the policy that israel has had of cutting off, uh, for a time, water supplies, gas , uh, supplies, supplies, gas, uh, supplies, medical supplies, food, supplies , uh, and alike that they say is exacerbating , uh, the exacerbating, uh, the humanitarian , uh, crisis in humanitarian, uh, crisis in gaza. and what they're asking , gaza. and what they're asking, uh, from from this court , uh, is uh, from from this court, uh, is an interim judge moment that, uh, calls for a cessation of the violence while the court then

determines the more substantive matters , uh, around what south matters, uh, around what south africa is alleging is a genocide . and this is, what, one of the legal for counsel south africa told the court a little earlier . told the court a little earlier. >> africa contends that israel has transgress article two of the convention on by committing actions that fall within the definition of genocide . definition of genocide. >> the actions show a systematic pattern of conduct from which genocide can be inferred . and genocide can be inferred. and >> mark exactly what teeth does the icj have here? >> well, i mean, they can they can certainly. um, you know , can certainly. um, you know, pass judgement and make a ruling. but whether israel actually pays any heed to that ruling is another matter. and probably israel won't , because

probably israel won't, because there's an imperative on israel's part, which is to dismantle hamas and ensure that hamas no longer poses a threat to israel , hamas no longer poses a threat to israel, and it will take hamas no longer poses a threat to israel , and it will take its to israel, and it will take its lead from the likes of the united states, which in the past has ignored rulings that have been passed by the international court of justice . court of justice. >> um, mark, while we have you, uh, we're seeing reports of an oil tanker being seized by men in plain clothes in unidentified military uniforms, seizing a million barrels of oil in the gulf of oman. what do we understand is going on? >> yes, well, we know, of course , in that region there's real tension because of what houthi rebels are doing in the red sea. now, this is not the red sea . now, this is not the red sea. it's further up. uh between oman and iran, really near the strait of hormuz. and you can see there from a marine shipping tracking

app from a marine shipping tracking app that shows the oil tanker concerned, the saint nicholas, which, according to maritime agencies , was bordered by at agencies, was bordered by at least five individuals in military uniform wearing face masks, covering the on board security cameras in the ship as they made their way through that ship. they now have control of that ship. we understand , uh, that ship. we understand, uh, which is believed to be heading, uh, to iran. iran is seen here as the main potential culprit for this boarding. we should say that this particular oil tanker under a different name a couple of years ago was at the centre of years ago was at the centre of issues surrounding iran and sanctions busting , uh, claims sanctions busting, uh, claims that it was, uh, um , in in that it was, uh, um, in in breach of the sanctions against, uh, iran. um and was taking oil from iran to customers .

from iran to customers. >> hugely concerning. it could be that we're seeing iran stealing a million barrels of oil that were going to go, perhaps to europe , perhaps to perhaps to europe, perhaps to america, certainly to the west. mark white, thank you for updating us there. we'll have more on this as it develops. but coming up, does london mayor sadiq khan need to practice what he preaches after recording 80,000 air miles last year, while asking brits not to fly? well, all that to come after your latest headlines with ray . your latest headlines with ray. >> thanks tom and pip. it's 1234. our top stories this hour. rishi sunak wants all subpostmasters to receive their compensation payments by the summer. number 10 has confirmed that at least £1 billion has been set aside to pay out in compensation to victims of the post office. horizon scandal. those watching on television can see live footage now from the

inquiry, where they're examining some legal documents. there now . some legal documents. there now. stephen bradshaw, one of the investigation managers for the post office during the time of the horizon scandal, is giving evidence at that inquiry and he's defending comments that he made in 2012 that he had absolute confidence in the honzon absolute confidence in the horizon it system and was never told of any faults with the software . meanwhile, downing software. meanwhile, downing street has said that legislation to expunge convictions will be published within weeks . the us published within weeks. the us oil tanker hijacked off the coast of oman appears to have changed course and is now heading towards iran . it comes heading towards iran. it comes after a british navy vessel destroyed several drones, launched by houthi rebels at ships in the region. the uk's maritime trade operations authority received reports of armed intruders dressed in military style uniforms , military style uniforms, boarding the vessel in the early hours before they lost contact . hours before they lost contact. rishi sunak is facing two by—election challenges next month. peter bowen lost his

wellingborough seat after a parliamentary investigation found that he committed acts of bullying and sexual misconduct . bullying and sexual misconduct. mr bowen rejected those findings . meanwhile, former minister chris skidmore resigned from his kingswood seat over his opposition to the government's green policies. he now says he won't support the tories . former won't support the tories. former england boss sven—goran eriksson says he has a year to live after being diagnosed with cancer. he was the first foreign coach to manage england , leading the manage england, leading the so—called golden generation of footballers, including david beckham and wayne rooney. he also led england to the quarterfinals of the 2002 and 2006 world cups, and the ,2,004. you'll find more on all of those stories on our website, gbnews.com .

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news news. good afternoon britain. it's 20 to 1 and watch this space. that's what defence secretary grant shapps has warned the uk could take military action against yemen's houthi rebels after repelling the largest attack yet on red sea shipping . sea shipping. >> there have been more than 20 attacks since mid—october, deteriorate , deterring a large deteriorate, deterring a large number of shipping companies from using the red sea naval route and pushing up prices .

route and pushing up prices. grant shapps also said that the attacks are unacceptable and the consequences will be severe . consequences will be severe. >> well, let's speak to former royal naval commander, rear admiral chris parry and chris, thank you for making the time for us this afternoon. it seems like things have really been getting more and more serious , getting more and more serious, particularly around the arabian peninsula and in particular on that way up to the suez canal . that way up to the suez canal. we can't really guarantee the same sort of free and open shipping that we've enjoyed for the last 75 years. >> well, we really haven't enjoyed free and open shipping. >> we've had all sorts of malware in the system that is the sea. >> if you remember, we had a real problem over about a decade from somali pirates who were infesting the horn of africa . infesting the horn of africa. >> so that was getting in the way . way. >> we've had frequent attempts by iran to close the oil and gas traffic coming out of the gulf along the straits of hormuz, um ,

along the straits of hormuz, um, it actually came to blows, of course, in the 1980s, where kuwaiti ships actually had to flag as american ships to get the oil out. >> so one of the things i say is peace doesn't keep itself at sea. it needs the armed might of the free world's navies to be out there to maintain the freedom of navigation and to make sure that this sort of thing doesn't happen again. >> what sort of support do you think britain could be about to give the us here, or how much more support, i should say ? more support, i should say? >> well, you're you're aware we've got a destroyer and a frigate in the red sea. >> we've got a small base in bahrain . um, >> we've got a small base in bahrain. um, we've >> we've got a small base in bahrain . um, we've also got bahrain. um, we've also got obviously the ability to deploy aircraft with storm shadow missiles from , um, cyprus. um, missiles from, um, cyprus. um, so i suspect that if any further action is going to be taken and we keep threatening it, we never seem to do it at the moment, it'll be led by the united states, and we will support that. suspect with

that. uh, i suspect with long—range missiles , uh, long—range missiles, uh, reconnaissance aircraft and obviously our naval assets in the horn of africa and in the southern red sea. >> what kind of action might that be? would that be a western coalition getting involved in that yemen civil war firing, sir, sea to ground missiles from our own ships in the region. what sort of, uh, escalation might we be getting ourselves for ? in for? in >> well, i think the aim will be to contain it and say to the houthis, look, um, you know, you are taking the mickey at sea at the moment. you're trying to take on the united states navy and the navies of the free world. you're disrupting world. you're also disrupting shipping . world. you're also disrupting shipping. uh, you're world. you're also disrupting shipping . uh, you're not allowed shipping. uh, you're not allowed to do it. it's against international law. uh, and merchant shipping is allowed to go about its lawful occasions. so uh, essentially what the united states, i suspect will want to do is contain the issue to punish the houthis and also deter them from doing it. again,

it'll also serve as a warning to iran and you mentioned just before the break that the iranian revolutionary guard corps seemed to have got hold of a tanker in the in the in the gulf of oman. so i think any sort of action will be powerful enough to deter for both iran and their allies, both in, in yemen and also, of course, hezbollah , hamas from actually hezbollah, hamas from actually escalating the conflict any further. the only problem is that there's a lot of rhetoric coming out of yemen at the moment about an eye for an eye and all that sort of thing. uh, i'm afraid i think it's all mouth and no trousers. when they finally realised just how powerful united states is, powerful the united states is, when really does turn its, when it really does turn its, uh, firepower on them. they might go a bit more quiet, think. >> and , uh, is there a risk >> and, uh, is there a risk here, though, of suggesting we can just fire a few rockets, scare off the houthis, and everything will be fine ? everything will be fine? >> is there a risk of real escalation ? we don't know escalation? we don't know whether or not iran even would

get involved. direct this is a country on the verge of having nuclear weapons . yeah but, i nuclear weapons. yeah but, i mean, it depends if you if you think that people can get away with this sort of behaviour, then you do nothing. >> uh, if you stop dictators and totalitarian regimes as they're starting this sort of thing, they tend to , not uh, do they tend to, not uh, do anything worse. we've got to remember the lessons of the 19305. remember the lessons of the 1930s. um, it's not a few rockets either. i mean, if you've been on the end of a cruise missile or indeed a storm shadow, you realise it's a bit more than that. um, if you get hit one of those, you're not hit by one of those, you're not going to get up again. >> rebels, you were >> the houthi rebels, you were saying chris, mouth >> the houthi rebels, you were sayi no chris, mouth >> the houthi rebels, you were sayi no trousers ris, mouth >> the houthi rebels, you were sayi no trousers . s, mouth and no trousers. >> but just how big a group are they? how well equipped and well armed are they? or not? >> yeah, it's a good question . i >> yeah, it's a good question. i mean, the big problem in yemen is you've got a huge demographic crisis. you know, the median age there is 17.8. so you've got half as many people younger than that as older. whereas in europe

it's 42. so you've got vast numbers of unemployed and also uh, poor people . so any group uh, poor people. so any group that's being financed by iran, for example , can afford to for example, can afford to attract fighters and things like that. um, iran , china are that. um, iran, china are supplying the houthis , uh, who supplying the houthis, uh, who number probably about 40,000 at their core, but obviously have a lot of hangers on as well. um with anti—ship missiles , with anti—ship missiles, anti—aircraft missiles, ballistic missiles, which they've been engaged in, uh, in a war with saudi arabia in recent years . uh, and i suspect, recent years. uh, and i suspect, uh , it's a messy situation on uh, it's a messy situation on the ground. it's hugely sectarian in, uh, but i think once you introduce some firepower there, i think they'll come to order, to tell you the truth. goodness me, it's a stark reminder that we should really not be dilapidating our own navy in the way that we, we seem to be, or letting it sort of drip away. >> former royal navy commander rear admiral chris parry, thank

you so much for talking us through that big, big issue. >> well, global trade has dropped 1.3% with these red sea attacks. disrupt shipping. the bank of england governor andrew bailey says further global shocks are a major threat to the uk economy. >> well, joining us now is liam halligan gb news, business and economics editor with on the money . now, liam, just explain money. now, liam, just explain for us what this actually means. if these ships are deterred from going through the suez canal, how much longer is their journey be and therefore how much more expensive is what's on these ships ? ships? >> okay, tom and pip, um, this is this is the reality of what's happening. this attack today is about 2500 miles from the suez canal. >> because saudi arabia is in the way. this attack today , this the way. this attack today, this diversion of a ship explicitly by the iranians is in the straits of hormuz, which is the

global oil pinch point of the world. it's the gateway into and out of the persian gulf. i repeat, it's thousands of miles away from the red sea, though of course, previous drone attacks by iranian backed houthi rebels have been in the red sea. >> what's the difference? the difference is that the suez canalis difference is that the suez canal is the gateway from the middle east the middle east to the mediterranean, and european markets. the suez canal accounts only for about 10% of global oil flows every day. ordinarily, the straits of hormuz, on the contrary, account . for 25% of contrary, account. for 25% of global oil flows every day. >> that's why iranian iran, explicitly being involved in the diversion of a us registered tanker in the persian gulf, is a major escalation of geopolitical tension and indeed conflict. >> as you've been discussing . >> as you've been discussing. that's why the oil price has just jumped up from around $72 a barrel to $77 a barrel. that's why friends of mine who are oil

traders are whatsapping me saying we're going into triple digit oil. unless this is rapidly reversed , i.e. $100 a rapidly reversed, i.e. $100 a barrel. i don't want to be alarmist about this, but i do want to stress what we've seen up want to stress what we've seen up until today have been, um, attacks , drone attacks by attacks, drone attacks by iranian proxies in the red sea , iranian proxies in the red sea, uh, related to the suez canal . uh, related to the suez canal. what we're seeing today is a direct intervention, we think, by iran on a us registered tanker on the straits of hormuz going into the persian gulf. they're completely different parts of the world. and the implications are completely different with the implications of today's incidents in the straits of hormuz, i repeat, not the red sea being much, much more serious. >> liam, what does this mean for people back here? i mean, recently we've been seeing petrol prices drop . ping. um, petrol prices drop. ping. um, andifs petrol prices drop. ping. um, and it's been it's been quite nice for everybody, quite frankly. are we about to see those climbing up again then . those climbing up again then. >> well, i've been warning on gb

news for, for months pip. since early october. since the ghastly attack by hamas on israel and israel reciprocating. i've been warning that this could happen in the straits of hormuz. we have indeed, as you rightly say, seen a serious fall in inflation. inflation has fallen from over 11, uh, to, uh, 3 or 4. that, of course, has led to a lot of speculation that interest rates are going to fall from the bank of england. we've already seen mortgage rates fall very, very significantly below 4. now the standard variable rate on a lot of home loans, if we see a spike in the oil price, you're completely right, pip. as ever, the or the petrol price will go up significantly . the heating up significantly. the heating bills will go up significantly , bills will go up significantly, the cost of almost everything will go up significantly because the world uses 100 million barrels of oil every single day, and oil is in so much of what we

do from plastics to all kinds of petrochem oils, not just the petrol that you put in your car or the diesel that you put in your van. so if this major escalation in geopolitical tension today in the straits of hormuz, again, i repeat, not the red sea, if that isn't seriously nipped in the bud very, very quickly, global oil prices will go quickly, global oil prices will 9° up quickly, global oil prices will go up a lot. that will be reflected in petrol prices, price in general. that will see a reverse in the very nice fall in inflation that we've seen in recent months. that will lead to a reversal in speculation that interest rates are going to come down. it will completely upend british politics and politics across the western world. well oil liam halligan there with some cheery news for us all on this thursday afternoon . this thursday afternoon. >> soon. my goodness, what a what a pickle we're in, liam. >> thanks very much. lots of you have been getting in touch about the post office scandal. we've

been talking about the post office inquiry resuming today. post office investigator giving evidence denying that he behaved like mafia gangsters towards post office subpostmasters and mistresses. what have we been heanng mistresses. what have we been hearing , tom? hearing, tom? >> well, mark has said that everyone that was involved in this corrupt investigation should be sent to jail, including judges , mps and including judges, mps and everyone that has ignored all the evidence. yeah >> ian also concurs. he says the judges who gave out sentences to postman . masters and mistresses postman. masters and mistresses must be made to face the inquiry to explain their actions. >> and david says it seems that there are reports that the current post accounting current post office accounting software . there software still has faults. there are reports from those using it that they find shortfalls is extraordinary. >> and nigel nige, good afternoon. you say , what afternoon. you say, what happened to the money taken from the sub postmasters that they had to borrow and sell their houses for, which doesn't belong to the post office? will they pay

to the post office? will they pay back of the pay that back on top of the 600,000 each subpostmaster , respectively? >> yeah , that's a that's a >> yeah, that's a that's a really interesting point. but stuart has said that remembering when royal mail decided to change its name to consignia in 2001, people never got used to that new name. and royal mail lost hundreds of thousands of poundsin lost hundreds of thousands of pounds in revenue, dropped the name 16. 16 months later, in 2002. yeah, some pretty shoddy management there of royal mail, although it sees different from the from the post office and just to update you, it's stephen bradshaw, a post office investigator who's been giving evidence to the inquiry. >> and one of the things that has come out this in the last few hours is that says he few hours is that he says he heard of problems with heard reports of problems with this horizon software , but this horizon software, but wasn't technically minded , and wasn't technically minded, and he would expect that to come from the people above. and he said if there was an issue, i would expect fujitsu to inform the post office and the post office to let us know what the issues are. sounds a bit like passing the buck to me.

>> it's always someone else's fault and i'll tell you, stand the computers and i'll tell you who we haven't heard anything from public statements, no >> no public statements, no interviews, is interviews, nothing. and that is from um has anybody interviews, nothing. and that is from fujitsu um has anybody interviews, nothing. and that is from fujitsu givenias anybody interviews, nothing. and that is from fujitsu given an anybody interviews, nothing. and that is from fujitsu given an interview? >> not yet. although it must be said that fujitsu are still under investigation and there has not yet been a definitive answer as to whether or not they are at fault of course, many politicians have been saying if they're fault, they're found to be at fault, fujitsu themselves, that's where the money could come from. >> in fujitsu are being >> in fact, fujitsu are being called to a select committee next answer questions, called to a select committee next we answer questions, called to a select committee next we willanswer questions, called to a select committee next we will be wer questions, called to a select committee next we will be acrossestions, called to a select committee next we will be across here1s, called to a select committee next we will be across here on which we will be across here on gb news. do stay with . us. gb news. do stay with. us. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of whether on gb news . whether on gb news. >> hello, i'm annie shuttleworth from the met office and this is your latest gb news weather update. we'll see more sunshine continuing across southern areas through the rest of the afternoon. further north and

east, though, it will turn cloudier. however, we got cloudier. however, we have got plenty of light there plenty of light winds out there as pressure is becoming as high pressure is becoming more the more centred across the uk. >> to continue to >> that's going to continue to bnng >> that's going to continue to bring plenty of dry weather across the country. >> but in the south and west we'll continue to see some of that continuing further that sunshine continuing further east, though the cloud does start through the start to thicken through the afternoon as that's as a northeasterly drags in northeasterly breeze drags in that cloud. we could also see some drizzly rain across eastern coasts as well as coasts of scotland as well as northern england in the sunshine. it won't be feeling too bad because we have lighter winds 6 or 7 degrees, but under the cloud still feeling quite cold for the time of year. and then through the evening that cloud drags in further and further west to bring a cloudy night many southern areas of night for many southern areas of england, much of wales and northern england too. northern areas of england too. in . so it will be a milder in fact. so it will be a milder night than recently . however, in night than recently. however, in the with plenty clear the north, with plenty of clear spells, could spells, a frosty one, we could see dipping well spells, a frosty one, we could see minus dipping well spells, a frosty one, we could see minus 1 dipping well spells, a frosty one, we could see minus 1 or dipping well spells, a frosty one, we could see minus 1 or 2 pping well spells, a frosty one, we could see minus 1 or 2 in ing well spells, a frosty one, we could see minus 1 or 2 in the well spells, a frosty one, we could see minus 1 or 2 in the south below minus 1 or 2 in the south and west . we could see some and west. we could see some frosty patches to start in the morning as well . however, it's

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>> good afternoon britain. it's thursday the 11th of january. mafia gangsters a post office investigate , is forced to deny investigate, is forced to deny behaving like an organised criminal towards subpostmasters as the post office horizon it query resumes. >> stephen bradshaw says he was not technically minded despite heanng not technically minded despite hearing reports of problems , hearing reports of problems, cancen hearing reports of problems, cancer, heartache sven—goran eriksson reveals he has terminal cancen cancer. >> cancen >> the former england manager has disclosed he has at best a year left to live . year left to live. >> going, going crown from dazzling costumes to a life sized replica of the imperial state coach , props designed for state coach, props designed for the tv series the crown are put on display in london for three weeks. they're going up for

auction next month . auction next month. and a seizure on the high seas. >> an oil tanker tanker carrying 100 million barrels of oil has been seized by people in armed forces uniform suspected to be from iran and what does it mean for us? >> well, we have been talking to our economics editor, liam halligan, about this. the ramifications here and around the globe could be enormous when it comes to our petrol prices . it comes to our petrol prices. for example, inflation could go up again if this is not dealt with quickly , if this becomes with quickly, if this becomes a continued event of the islamic repubuc continued event of the islamic republic of iran seizing these vessels, taking that oil, that oil not being able to get to the

west , well, that's that's almost west, well, that's that's almost as as seismic as the turning off the taps that we saw when . the taps that we saw when. vladimir putin started restricting that oil flow. >> only a couple of years ago. and we saw that the reverberations for our economy, for our heating bills and for pnces for our heating bills and for prices at the pump . prices at the pump. >> yeah. and all this is happening as we've got these high tensions in the red sea, where those attacks by houthi rebels based in yemen are disrupting shipping . and the disrupting shipping. and the defence secretary, grant shapps , defence secretary, grant shapps, is warning of serious conflict chances. let's bring you bang up to date with all your headlines with ray addison . with ray addison. >> thanks, guys. good afternoon. it's 1:02. our top stories this it's1:02. our top stories this houn it's1:02. our top stories this hour. rishi sunak says he wants all subpostmasters to receive their compensation payments by their compensation payments by the summer. number 10 has

confirmed that at least £1 billion has been set aside to pay billion has been set aside to pay out compensation to victims of the post office. horizon scandal. stephen bradshaw a post office investigation manager at the time, is giving evidence at the time, is giving evidence at the inquiry today. he's defending comments that he made back in 2012 that he had absolute confidence in the honzon absolute confidence in the horizon it system and was never told of any software faults . told of any software faults. meanwhile, downing street saying that legislation to expunge victims convictions rather will be published within weeks . well, be published within weeks. well, as we've just been hearing, iran has now claimed responsibility for a us oil tanker hijacking off the coast of oman . that's off the coast of oman. that's according to the country's state news agency. the uk's maritime trade operations authority received reports of armed intruders dressed in military style uniforms, boarding the vessels in the early hours of this morning before they lost contact . now, of course, this contact. now, of course, this all comes after a british navy

vessel destroyed several drones launched by houthi rebels at ships in the region . the uk and ships in the region. the uk and us governments have previously warned that any escalation will result in retaliation . in rishi result in retaliation. in rishi sunakis result in retaliation. in rishi sunak is facing two by—election challenges next month. peter bowen lost his wellingborough seat after a parliamentary investigation found that he committed acts of bullying and sexual misconduct . he's rejected sexual misconduct. he's rejected those findings . former minister those findings. former minister chris skidmore resigned from his kingswood seat over his opposition to the government's green policies . opposition to the government's green policies. he opposition to the government's green policies . he now says that green policies. he now says that he will not support the tories . he will not support the tories. former england boss sven—goran eriksson says he has a year to live after being diagnosed with cancer. live after being diagnosed with cancer . he live after being diagnosed with cancer. he was live after being diagnosed with cancer . he was the first foreign cancer. he was the first foreign coach to manage england, leading the so—called golden generation of footballers, including david beckham and steven gerrard . he beckham and steven gerrard. he also led england to the quarter finals of the 2002 and 2006 world cups and, of course, the

,2,004 jerry lee corbin is in world cups and, of course, the ,2,0cwith'ry lee corbin is in world cups and, of course, the ,2,0cwith a lee corbin is in world cups and, of course, the ,2,0cwith a south)rbin is in world cups and, of course, the ,2,0cwith a south african in the hague with a south african delegation delegation the delegation delegation for the country's case against israel, accusing them of genocide. the former labour leader is the only foreign political figure named as part of the delegation to attend these hearings comes as mr corbyn publicly described hamas as a terrorist group , but hamas as a terrorist group, but accused the israeli army of being guilty of acts of terror too. israel's president called the case atrocious and preposterous . political editor preposterous. political editor for the jewish news, lee harpin, told gb news it's an impossible situation . situation. >> no doubt israel does need to fight back against hamas because , um, you know, what would we do here in this country were missiles constantly flying in? would we just sit back and say, well, we can't fight that force because, oh, because we might kill some innocent people? unfortunately, this is the devastating consequence of a horrendous conflict . it. well horrendous conflict. it. well back here, a critical incident

has been declared in london after an electric bus was engulfed in flames. >> pictures on social media show the blaze taking up much of the road, with the street cordoned off. officers from the met police are advising people to avoid the area on wimbledon hill roadin avoid the area on wimbledon hill road in south—west london. that road has been blocked off in both directions. the london fire brigade saying that the cause of that blaze is not yet known . the that blaze is not yet known. the nhs is failing to hit most of its key performance targets, despite the overall waiting list dropping. that's according to the latest data , more than the latest data, more than 355,000 people in england have been waiting for over 52 weeks to start their hospital treatment. at the end of november 2023. now that is down from more than 377,000 at the end of october. however, more than 11,000 people in in england have been waiting over 18 months now. the government says it's working to eliminate all waits of more than a year for bird flu

has been found in elephant and fur seals near antarctica . in fur seals near antarctica. in the region's first cases of infected mammals. the region's first cases of infected mammals . as the uk's infected mammals. as the uk's animal health agency saying that it has been testing for the h5n1 virus on the island of south georgia . that's after they found georgia. that's after they found a few dead seals back in october, scientists say that the risk to humans remains very low, but they warn that the virus endangers the delicate and unique ecosystems of the antarctic. the princess royal has started her second day of engagements in sri lanka by visiting a buddhist temple as part of princess anne's visit to mark 75 years of diplomacy with britain. the temple of the sacred tooth relic is the most significant buddhist temple in the country . later, the princess the country. later, the princess will travel to jaffna to meet northern communities . she'll northern communities. she'll also meet members of a charity working to remove munitions from the former front line areas . as the former front line areas. as this . is gb

the former front line areas. as this. is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and of course on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to tom and . pip. and. pip. >> now a significant number of the subpostmasters and mistresses involved in legal action against the post office will not, according to downing street, accept the £75,000 offered by the government at the prime minister's spokesperson said that only an estimated third of individuals will take that initial monetary compensation . in all, this comes compensation. in all, this comes as post office investigator stephen bradshaw gives evidence in central london today on phase four of the horizon it inquiry. it's been going on now for some three years. he's admitted to seeing reports of horizon issues in 2010, but said that he is not technically minded . technically minded. >> well, let's cross live to gb news political correspondent

katherine forster in westminster . and catherine, i suppose it is wise to remind everyone this inquiry has now been is now entered its third year. this didn't all just appear at the start of this itv drama, although it's certainly turned more attention to it . more attention to it. >> yes, exactly. it it seems like all this has just happening all of a sudden because of the drama that is not in fact, the case. the public inquiry has been going on for some time , and been going on for some time, and in terms of the measures that are all over the papers about compensation and the quashing of convictions , some of that's new, convictions, some of that's new, but some of it's not. so the quashing of convictions is this bill that the government is bringing forward in the coming weeks with a view to quashing all these wrongful convictions this year, that is new. that's quite unprecedented . but the quite unprecedented. but the government feel that this is an exceptional case. now, in terms of the companies station, for

those that were convicted of crimes , we now know they didn't crimes, we now know they didn't commit £600,000 worth of compensation . that was actually compensation. that was actually announced back in november. now postmasters can take that. or if they think they should get more, they think they should get more, they can can continue with a process to claim for more . now process to claim for more. now the £75,000 figure that refers to the group of postmasters that took the post office to court back in 2019 and blew the lid off on all of this, really, those are people who were not convicted of a crime. so um, basically , the government is basically, the government is offering £75,000 to those people as an upfront payment. if they take that, that is it. as an upfront payment. if they take that, that is it . there take that, that is it. there will be no more money. now they're expecting only about a third of people will they have the option of saying , no, thank the option of saying, no, thank you. i think i deserve a lot more than that and continue

suing, uh, with the process to get that money. of course , that get that money. of course, that will take longer, though . this will take longer, though. this lunchtime, the prime minister's spokesman has said that they want all compensation to be paid by the end of the summer. so presumably by the end of august. so certainly things are speeding up , although my goodness, these up, although my goodness, these people have had to battle for years and indeed decades to get to the point that we're now at end of the summer in time for an autumn election . yes very autumn election. yes very convenient. and of course , convenient. and of course, plenty of people will note that we are. yes, in an election yean we are. yes, in an election year, and therefore everything is done . year, and therefore everything is done. being mindful of how it will look to the public, i think the uproar around this drama was such that the government would have to act anyway , but clearly have to act anyway, but clearly it's going to do rishi sunak no harm at all to be seen to

finally right this long. wrong and to do it quickly. but certainly awkward questions for mps right across parliament of all colours . we've had a lot of all colours. we've had a lot of criticism of the lib dem leader, sir ed davey. he was postmaster 2010 to 2012. we know that alan bates, the postmaster who spearheaded this whole thing and sent him five love letters , um, sent him five love letters, um, ed davey did meet with him once, but, um, didn't believe frankly what he was being told. now says he really regrets that. but difficult for him. he's one of, i should say, about 20 odd postmasters during the whole honzon postmasters during the whole horizon period where this falls . horizon period where this falls. software has been in um postmasters in post offices also , of course, sir keir starmer as director of public prosecutions. the crown prosecution service , the crown prosecution service, um, prosecuted three subpostmasters while he was in

charge. now labour keen to say that during his tenure 4 million prosecutions were made and he wasn't aware of these. there were a small drop in the ocean, of course , and then, of course, of course, and then, of course, questions for the government, because why on earth did they give paula vennells in 2019? boss of the post office, a cbe , boss of the post office, a cbe, when you know it would widely reported by then and for years that there were problems with this system . um so difficult this system. um so difficult questions for lots of people and not least of which fujitsu, the company that was responsible for these faulty systems . these faulty systems. >> catherine, as you're explaining, there , this this explaining, there, this this scandal engulfs all the political parties, quite frankly . political correspondent katherine forster thanks very much for that update , kate. and much for that update, kate. and let's speak now to the national officer at the communications workers union, andy furey. good afternoon to you, andy. thanks for joining us. i just want to start, first of all, with the resumption of this public

inquiry today, we've been heanng inquiry today, we've been hearing office hearing from the post office investigator bradshaw , investigator, stephen bradshaw, who's been giving evidence so much more interest in this inquiry now from the public, despite it running for three years already . that despite it running for three years already. that is despite it running for three years already . that is stephen years already. that is stephen bradshaw. there um, he he has been accused of behaving like mafia gangsters towards these subpostmasters and postmistresses. what do you think of what he's had to say so far today ? far today? >> yeah. thank you for having us on. um, i'm bound to say that the, the tactics deployed by the post office investigation department, our members have described often as being gestapo like the interrogations have been absolutely appalling. and i do know that many of the postmasters that ultimately ended up having conviction , you ended up having conviction, you know, terrible convictions that shouldn't have happened, came about as a consequence of these investigations . department investigations. department interrogations , uh, where they interrogations, uh, where they

also searched homes, they searched cars . they went through searched cars. they went through bank accounts to see if there was money. and they they put the frighteners on on the postmasters. and it was disgraceful the way they they've conducted themselves . conducted themselves. >> and it seems that in the course of these interrogations , course of these interrogations, these investigations , these investigations, postmasters have been encouraged to plead guilty , even if they to plead guilty, even if they weren't just to let often the abuse lessen the harassment, lessen the trauma . lessen the trauma. >> absolutely . i mean, that was >> absolutely. i mean, that was a tactic clearly , that the post a tactic clearly, that the post office must have signed off at the highest level and i'm bound to say that it's not just paul vennells that is involved in this . vennells that is involved in this. there's many, many others that that hopefully the swim williams inquiry will will expose. but clearly the post office had a policy of trying to entrap people by saying if you if you um, if you agree to the charge of, of embezzlement or fraud, then we will take away

the theft charge and that many people did that on the basis they were promised they wouldn't go to go to prison, and they wouldn't face jail time. so there was a hobson's choice for people, and it was dreadful tactics to get innocent people to to something they to agree to something they didn't do. >> you feel about the >> how do you feel about the fact that after what is it, some 15 years, it's only now that the wheels are starting to turn more quickly here? andy and that's off the back of an itv drama . off the back of an itv drama. >> well, this is actually has been a slow burning, uh, crisis, uh, scandal for the group litigation that came about that um, 550 postmasters clubbed together on that started to expose things at the inquiry that the government originally set up. wasn't judicial. they only changed it to a judicial inquiry . once more pressure came inquiry. once more pressure came on. uh, it does feel like that we've had to achieve these

successes through through gritted teeth from the government. the government also must be must be made clear. the government has a person on the post office board and has done so for the last 15 years. three different people in the last 15 years. they are the shareholder, uh, stakeholder that sits on the post office board and therefore all post office, board decisions. a member of the government, albeit a civil servant, has been directly involved in that civil servant is a direct report to the minister. so all of these ministers would have known what's going on. >> it does strike to the heart of, i suppose, the british establishment, whether it's the civil service ministers , uh, civil service ministers, uh, grandiose people who've been appointed to public bodies, frankly. journal ists as well . frankly. journal ists as well. uh, no one comes out of this with a particular shine . i think with a particular shine. i think there's some commendable journalists that are, um, that have that have done a brilliant job in exposing this through

computer weekly , private eye, computer weekly, private eye, um, and, and, and others. >> so , um, but yeah, look , >> so, um, but yeah, look, what's gone on here is, is, is atrocious . uh, people should atrocious. uh, people should hang their heads in shame , but hang their heads in shame, but there needs to be proper accountability. and that accountability. and that accountability needs to go beyond. paula vennells. she clearly is up to her neck in it. but there's many, many others. i'll give you an example. our our cameron, who was the acting ceo of the post office, who took took over from paula vennells. it was his decision to recuse the judge in the group litigation order. now that that decision would have cost millions of pounds , uh, millions of pounds, uh, scandalous decision. it was it was in the dramatisation that they tried to get the judge sacked , and clearly the sacked, and clearly the government would have known about that. the minister can't say they didn't know about the post office policy to try and get the judge sacked. that get the judge sacked. and that was to try and win was all tactics to try and win the court case, which they spectacularly lost. so the post is a fought a rearguard action

to defend their position. and it's this position of trying to have deeper pockets to out win by having more money through legal costs. that is another facet of this scandal . facet of this scandal. >> andy fury, national officer at the communications workers union. thanks ever so much for to talking us this afternoon about this. thank you , thank you. >> now , the labour party has >> now, the labour party has announced plans to introduce new supervised tooth brushing sessions for children in breakfast clubs. >> if they're elected into government . government. >> some have criticised the new plans as nanny state politics, but keir starmer has instead fired back , claiming that the fired back, claiming that the conservatives should be ashamed of children's health standards across education. >> well , should across education. >> well, should this be the competency of parents or teachers ? let's speak to the teachers? let's speak to the founder of the health organised asian toothless in england , mark asian toothless in england, mark jones. asian toothless in england, mark jones . uh, mark, is asian toothless in england, mark jones. uh, mark, is this asian toothless in england, mark jones . uh, mark, is this the jones. uh, mark, is this the role of teachers or should parents not be taking more

responsibility for the state of their children's teeth ? hi their children's teeth? hi >> good afternoon everyone. thanks for having us on. um, yes, of course , parents have yes, of course, parents have a responsibility . but, uh, when i responsibility. but, uh, when i was growing up, i'm 60 years old now , so, um, i'm a father of now, so, um, i'm a father of four. when i was at school, we had a school dentist. we had a school nurse . um, and we also school nurse. um, and we also had dentists , nhs dentists that had dentists, nhs dentists that gave up their spare time as volunteers coming into school and doing some of this work that , uh, the labour party have announced, um, in their spare time as volunteers. now, i think those are the people who we would , i think, would expect would, i think, would expect that, uh, to supervise these, uh, brushing her teeth for the for the young children in, in nursery school or early primary school. >> um , rather than i'd rather >> um, rather than i'd rather see them and i'm sure patient,

uh, parents would rather see them in place rather than relying potentially as it possibly . possibly. >> you could read between the lines appear that it should be teachers , and i don't think it's teachers, and i don't think it's the teachers job to do that. they're busy enough as it is. i think we really need some good oral health education. let's get some videos produced. um, and get back to a place where i can remember when we were given these little tablets to suck on, and it would reveal the plaque left after you brushed your teeth. um, and we loved all that as kids . um, teeth. um, and we loved all that as kids. um, some education around food. um, food and drink, you know, steer clear of fizzy drinks, you know , drink water drinks, you know, drink water instead. steer clear of hot chocolate at night . make sure chocolate at night. make sure you brush your teeth. we do need to educate. and you see, i mentioned that this is what i grew up with. the parents of today haven't had that benefit,

didn't get the benefit of what i and others . some of your viewers and others. some of your viewers no doubt had the benefit of in their formative years . um, until their formative years. um, until we get to back to that place, then i'm afraid it. well, yes, it's easy to blame parents, but i think a lot of it has to do with our, um, health programs across the piece in this country i >> -- >> where could it stop, though ? >> where could it stop, though? i mean, if you've got supervised teeth brushing going on at school , you know what other school, you know what other things could then be could then be brought in and does it actually encourage parents to be lazy when it comes to these bafic lazy when it comes to these basic things? something that should be part of the daily routine at home? >> well, i was speaking, uh, i was speaking to a parent yesterday. funnily enough, he lives just down the road from me in bury st edmunds, here in suffolk , and he has children who suffolk, and he has children who have some difficult, some challenges health wise , and he

challenges health wise, and he is unable to get up, uh, to see a dentist at one of his young children has an adult tooth pushing through literally the roof of her mouth behind her first teeth. her baby teeth. and that for love nor money cannot get to see a dentist . well, i get to see a dentist. well, i say money, he can go private, but it would cost him a fortune. and he just doesn't have that. and he just doesn't have that. and in this cost of living crisis , um, parents are forced crisis, um, parents are forced to have been forced and for some time now, i think we have to accept this really into buying cheap foods . and with those cheap foods. and with those cheap foods. and with those cheap foods. and with those cheap foods , they are often more cheap foods, they are often more often than not, aren't of the quality that we would aspire to providing our children. they have high sugar content and all the sort of bad things that , um, the sort of bad things that, um, we want to educate children to steer clear from. although very often, of course , buying a bag

often, of course, buying a bag often, of course, buying a bag of carrots is cheaper than buying a bag of mars bars or similar. >> sometimes it's just a bit of preparation that's needed, and sometimes these these healthy foods are actually a lot cheaper . but mark jones, i'm afraid we're going to have to leave it there from toothless in england. mark jones talking us through there from toothless in england. mark we've talking us through there from toothless in england. mark we've goting us through there from toothless in england. mark we've got some through there from toothless in england. mark we've got some breaking that. we've got some breaking news to bring to you now . the news to bring to you now. the 15th of february is the date for that wellingborough by—election caused by the, uh , uh, incident caused by the, uh, uh, incident involving peter bone, his potential suspension from the house of commons and the ensuing recall petition on peter bone. not standing in that by—election but a pretty crucial test of where the government is sitting in those opinion polls on the 15th of next month. >> yeah, it has been suggested that the partner of peter bone could replace him as the candidate in the by—election june has been selected. helen harrison. yeah, but rishi sunak refused to endorse it. yeah,

it's going to be interesting. the 15th of february, the date for all of our diaries. >> but, uh, coming up, as keir starmer is accused of dog whistle racism during prime minister's questions yesterday, we were asking if the gloves are well and truly off as we approach a general election .

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mornings from 930 on. gb news. >> well i'm back. it's 1:28 mornings from 930 on. gb news. >> well i'm back. it's1:28 and sadiq khan has been named the ultimate virtue signaller as he's recorded 80,000 air miles last year. while asking brits not to fly city halls, tony devenish accused sadiq khan , the devenish accused sadiq khan, the mayor of london, of failing to practice what he preaches as the mayor constantly warned londoners of a climate emergency . kc londoners of a climate emergency . kc well gbnews.com political editor milly cooke joins us from westminster and ed milly, how many flights precisely has sadiq khan taken ? khan taken? >> so since he became london mayor in 2016, he's taken 11 international flights himself. but among himself and his team , but among himself and his team, that amounts to 80,000 air miles. his team have been keen to point out that his predecessor, boris johnson, did take more flights at 34, but the key thing with sadiq khan is that he is constantly pushing a very pro—environmental agenda.

it's an issue that's very close to his heart and even in to his heart and he's even in the brits to fly less. the past told brits to fly less. asked about private jets a few years sadiq khan broadened years ago, sadiq khan broadened it the aviation industry it out to the aviation industry in general and suggested that brits be choosing brits should be choosing other options. member team options. one member of his team even flight that was even took a flight that was 20,000 as 20,000 miles to australia as a round trip for just 20,000 miles to australia as a round trip forjust a 20,000 miles to australia as a round trip for just a two 20,000 miles to australia as a round trip forjust a two day round trip for just a two day forum, so it really does raise questions about how committed sadiq khan really is to the pro—environmental policies. however, pointed pro—environmental policies. hovthat, pointed pro—environmental policies. hovthat khan pointed pro—environmental policies. hovthat khan is pointed pro—environmental policies. hovthat khan is really pointed pro—environmental policies. hovthat khan is really usingted out that khan is really using the journeys to actually push this agenda. so goes abroad . this agenda. so he goes abroad. he other climate he speaks to other climate leaders about the environment, and he's and they argue that he's a leader change. however, leader for change. um, however, obviously detractors have obviously his detractors have argued that khan is just virtue signalling. telling people signalling. he's telling people to cut down on flights but isn't really doing it himself. susan hall also suggested the conservative candidate conservative mayoral candidate for that for london. she suggested that khan simply taking glitzy khan was simply taking glitzy trips for self—serving purposes, and conservative source and one conservative source pointed that the moon pointed out that the moon is actually 240,000 away. so actually 240,000 miles away. so if khan just took a few if sadiq khan just took a few more flights before the next mayoral election, then he could actually to the moon

actually travel to the moon and back air miles. so it back with his air miles. so it isn't great look is isn't a great look and it is a really easy one for his critics isn't a great look and it is a re.seize3sy one for his critics isn't a great look and it is a re.seize upon. a for his critics isn't a great look and it is a re.seize upon. sadiqis critics isn't a great look and it is a re.seize upon. sadiq khanics isn't a great look and it is a re.seize upon. sadiq khan is to seize upon. sadiq khan is also going to be telling people later that brexit isn't working, isn't he? >> he's going to be giving a speech saying the uk economy . he speech saying the uk economy. he is £140 billion smaller due to . brexit. >> yeah. sadiq khan will be giving a speech at the mansion house dinner this evening. um his critics have already seized upon this once again to say that sadiq is just gripping on to issues like to brexit detract from his own failings. sadiq is arguing that that's sort of something that's holding london back. but susan hall back. um, but susan hall has said should just said that really he should just be the situation be focusing on the situation we're he should we're in now. he should be tackling problems like knife crime struggling with crime and people struggling with cost living crisis and cost of living crisis and revoking things such ulez. so revoking things such as ulez. so they've already a real they've there's already a real breakout speech hasn't breakout and the speech hasn't even breakout and the speech hasn't evestrange. didn't realise >> strange. i didn't realise that london had own foreign that london had its own foreign policy, seems that that's policy, but it seems that that's what the mayor has been engaging

with, to with, i suppose each to their own. cook, thank you so own. millie cook, thank you so much for bringing that news much for bringing us that news there. i think that's about one big trip month, big international trip a month, which , uh, must nice. which, uh, must be nice. >> a of miles as well. when >> a lot of miles as well. when we come back, our panel is going to talking through some of to be talking us through some of the hitting the the stories hitting the headunes the stories hitting the headlines today. first of all, though, let's bring bang though, let's bring you bang up to headlines . to date with the headlines. here's ray addison . here's ray addison. >> thanks, pip. and tom, it's 132. our top stories. it's been announced that the wellingborough by—election will be held on the 15th of february. as rishi sunak faces two by—election challenges next month . peter bowen lost his month. peter bowen lost his wellingborough seat after a parliamentary investigation found that he committed acts of bullying and sexual misconduct. mr bowen rejected those findings. former minister chris skidmore resigned from his kingswood seat over his opposition to the government's green policies. he says he won't support the tories date for that

by—election. not yet announced . by—election. not yet announced. rishi sunak wants all subpostmasters to receive their compensation payments by the summer. number 10 has confirmed that at least £1 billion has been set to aside pay out compensation to victims of the post office horizon scandal . post office horizon scandal. stephen bradshaw, a post office investigation manager at the time, is giving evidence today at the inquiry he's been defending comments that he made back in 2012, when he said that he had absolute confidence in the horizon it system and was never told of any software faults . iran has claimed faults. iran has claimed responsibility for a us oil tanker hijacking off the coast of oman. that's according to the country's state news agency . the country's state news agency. the uk's maritime trade operations authority received reports of armed intruders dressed in military style uniforms, boarding the vessel in the early hours of the morning. that's before they lost contact . it before they lost contact. it comes after a british navy

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for auction . here's head of for auction. here's head of designer handbags and fashion meg randall . meg randall. >> we're expecting to be our most popular fashion look in the sale because it's just so iconic i >> -- >> the whole world was looking at it, and the idea of a revenge dress continues today, so it's really important , you know, as really important, you know, as a cultural moment, as a fashion moment, as a moment in the royal family history, quite a costume. >> the money from the auction is being invested in the next generation of british film makers , and a new scholarship makers, and a new scholarship from the national film and television school is expected to support dozens of british students . the free exhibition is students. the free exhibition is open for three weeks and the live auction is scheduled for the 7th of february. cameron walker gb news, london. >> oh, it all looks pretty fancy, doesn't it? um, would you wear a revenge dress? i've already got several tom in my wardrobe . wardrobe. >> well , well, it's not just the >> well, well, it's not just the crown that we've been looking at today.

>> we've also been talking a lot about, uh , teeth brushing and about, uh, teeth brushing and you've been getting in touch. simon has written in to say if your child goes to school via a breakfast club , they're being breakfast club, they're being fed at school. they should , of fed at school. they should, of course, clean their teeth after breakfast, particularly if fed citrus fruit juices . citrus fruit juices. >> good point. silvia says . as >> good point. silvia says. as a school nurse in the 70s and the 80s, school nurse in the 70s and the 805, i school nurse in the 70s and the 80s, i know that children were taught to clean their teeth correctly. they were also sent home with disclosing tablets so that parents could see if the child's teeth were clean, which helped both understand what works . mhm. helped both understand what works. mhm. is that right? disclosing use, disclosing, disclosing . oh disgusting. oh, disclosing. oh disgusting. oh, disgusting. sorry that must have been predictive text or something i thought disclosing tablets never heard of that one. >> but there are those tablets that you can take in your mouth and it that you can take in your mouth andit up that you can take in your mouth and it up where the plaque and it shows up where the plaque is. that be mean, i is. could that be i mean, i think had at school. i've think i had them at school. i've got vague, vague memory. of got a vague, vague memory. of course. so very ago. course. it was so very long ago. um, shall we widen this discussion joining us is discussion out? joining us is our panel for the rest of the

houn our panel for the rest of the hour, mike parry and aaron bastani . um, aaron is this a bit bastani. um, aaron is this a bit of state overreach getting the teachers to, uh, spend their valuable time teaching kids what their parents should have taught them? >> well, i found some of the responses to it rather strange, ihave responses to it rather strange, i have to say. people say, oh, this is the nanny state. i've always quite liked grandmothers. uh, the key question is, does this if it saves the this save money? if it saves the taxpayer me, taxpayer money, then in. for me, it's brainer. if it it's just a no brainer. if it doesn't, don't we doesn't, then don't bother. we can moral debate about can have a moral debate about what this say about the what does this say about the state of britain. think state of britain. i think probably not good things. probably not very good things. but time i think but in the short time i think it's a very sensible measure being and think it's being proposed, and i think it's the you'd hope the kind of thing you'd hope both parties can get behind. the kind of thing you'd hope both it?�*ties can get behind. isn't it? >> e“- t— >> another example, mike, of the need to tackle this dental crisis. dentistry needs crisis. nhs dentistry needs fixing. this all caught up in fixing. this is all caught up in the same issue. >> well, to be honest, the nanny state rings bells state always rings alarm bells in okay, now keir in my head. okay, now keir starmer indicated to starmer indicated he wants to embrace nanny state. embrace the nanny state. >> that appalling because >> i find that appalling because i'd like to give more power back

to parents. you know, over the last few years seen last few years we've seen parents comfort and parents given the comfort and succour campaigns for free succour of campaigns for free school meals. right but that's a parent's responsibility . parent's responsibility. >> it's a parent's responsibility to clean their children's teeth. >> i've spoken to teachers who honestly say children are four and five, are arriving at schools now, and they haven't been properly toilet trained , been properly toilet trained, and teachers are having to spend their doing of the parents. >> okay, now the problem is, if parents know that the state are more and more going to assist with the upbringing of their children, the parents are going to try less and less believing that it's the responsibility of the state. >> are not there parental responsibility to make sure their children grow up properly? >> that's what worries me. aaron >> that's what worries me. aaron >> is that a fair point? the sort of moral hazard here of the more that the state does, the more that the state does, the more the parent retreats and just thinks, this isn't my job. i need to do this. i don't need to do this. >> i don't really buy that. no, i most parents love their i think most parents love their children very much, want the best them, they, you best for them, and they, you

know, day to look know, work night and day to look after. right. after. i'm sure you're right. no, i'm everybody here no, no, i'm sure everybody here does their kids. or does that for their kids. or they do for their they would do that for their kids. there are of course, exceptions. i think exceptions. yeah. and i think the me is there's the worry for me is there's a there's a few parts of this debate i find debate which i find quite striking. this striking. they're saying this is the one reason young the number one reason why young children are going accent children are going into accent emergency a health emergency or having a health crisis to, uh, tooth crisis relating to, uh, tooth decay. particularly crisis relating to, uh, tooth deca i particularly crisis relating to, uh, tooth decai mean, particularly crisis relating to, uh, tooth decai mean, i'm particularly crisis relating to, uh, tooth decai mean, i'm notrticularly bad. i mean, i'm not particularly familiar with child protection services, but at what point become abuse or point does that become abuse or does denote does that denote abuse? >> agree you. does that denote abuse? >> and agree you. does that denote abuse? >> and if agree you. does that denote abuse? >> and if i agree you. does that denote abuse? >> and if i wasze you. does that denote abuse? >> and if i was in you. does that denote abuse? >> and if i was in the you. does that denote abuse? >> and if i was in the medical profession and children were being rotting being brought in with rotting teeth would report that to teeth, i would report that to the because that is the authorities because that is child abuse. >> absolutely children >> absolutely right. if children enter hospital with injuries, the first thing that they do is ring the alarm bell. is this child being abused at home. and in any child left to in my view, any child left to get rotting teeth at home is being abused by the parents and therefore it should focussed upon. >> but aaron is not part of this. the issue with nhs dentists parents can't get their children to a dentist. when i was little , i remember going to

was little, i remember going to the dentist and you had the sort of lesson there and then from the dentist about how you had to brush your teeth, and then you'd get lollipop and i remember get a lollipop and i remember it and from it. but and i learned from it. but they're not getting that. >> there's certainly of >> there's certainly part of it. um, massive crisis um, we have a massive crisis with nhs dentistry. everybody um, we have a massive crisis with nhs knows try. everybody um, we have a massive crisis with nhs knows try. e�* recently watching knows that. recently our went private. you our dentist went private. you know, my wife and i can pay. we've got a daughter. we'll be fine. but there are people out there. they might have 3 or 4 kids, and all of a sudden they say, can't this. say, i can't afford this. i simply can't afford this. i totally agree, there are no sorry and are other sorry and there are no other dentists available. i think dentists available. so i think that's that's definitely right. look, this. we look, it boils down to this. we can more nhs can talk about we need more nhs dentistry there's can talk about we need more nhs d> but maybe the parents don't haerah, but their teeth. >> but maybe the parents don't haerah, but that's teeth. >> but maybe the parents don't haerah, but that's aeeth. >> but maybe the parents don't haerah, but that's a parental >> yeah, but that's a parental responsibility. and that takes me broader area. me into a broader area. >> not how many of us

>> i'm not sure how many of us will on this, the will agree on this, but the family unit me is so very family unit to me is so very important to be able to bring children i mean, children up properly. i mean, i might but might be old fashioned, but i believe family. believe in the nuclear family. >> okay, two parents and children in the same house. and then interact with then parents can interact with each other. >> totally agree that if >> i totally agree that if you've for you've got a single parent for children in, that parent might not have time to do all the things that it's got to do for the children. >> so let's try and reinforce the family unit. >> in my view, by giving tax breaks or something that. breaks or something like that. >> children better deal >> well, shall we park that there? there's lot there? because there's a lot more through today. not more to get through today. not least news in the more to get through today. not leasfew news in the more to get through today. not leasfew minutes. news in the more to get through today. not leasfew minutes. we've in the more to get through today. not leasfew minutes. we've in tae last few minutes. we've got a date diaries, the next date in our diaries, the next by—election to , uh, to by—election to, uh, to potentially, upper set. the potentially, uh, upper set. the prime minister. this is, of course, is the wellingborough by—election the former seat of the conservative mp peter bone . the conservative mp peter bone. um, aaron, i suppose in normal times this would be an easy win for the conservatives. but these aren't normal times. well you say that, but i think, look, the tories have been now for the

best part of 14 years. >> um, and after that kind of penod >> um, and after that kind of period has elapsed in government by elections tend be very by elections tend to be very hazardous for even quite confident, assertive prime ministers who polling very ministers who are polling very well. rishi sunak is none of those . um, i have to say, those things. um, i have to say, you his exterior you know, his exterior comes across incredibly calm, given across as incredibly calm, given he really has. been through the wringer in a very short period of time as pm, and i think he's going to have another very bad night. but in good news for the conservatives i think expectations exactly expectations are so low. exactly that sometimes, know , as we that sometimes, you know, as we saw west london, not long saw in west london, not long ago, um, boris's old seat, ago, um, in boris's old seat, actually an objectively average to poor result looks pretty good. >> and we should note, mike, that it's peter bowen's partner. oh, no. who's standing? helen harris now? is that going to be a help or a hindrance here? >> well, who who manages these things inside the conservative party >> they used to have a fantastic machine, they? cecil machine, didn't they? when cecil parkinson was chairman of the tory parkinson was chairman of the tonyou know, it >> you know, it was a fantastically efficient and successful machine. now it looks like anybody could just walk

forward with a mad idea like, oh, peter bowen has sinned, allegedly. >> i'll tell you what, let's >> but i'll tell you what, let's put his partner into place for him. it's mad. do you know what? i don't think the conservatives now waste minute now should waste a minute thinking about how to stop what's going to happen. because it's going to happen anyway. aaron's absolutely right. there's now it's built in the expectation of losing any by—election the by—election between now and the next election. why should next election. so why should they any energy they bother putting any energy into it as the tories potentially more more potentially get more and more desperate , labour gets more and desperate, labour gets more and more determined and it could get really dirty. >> what keir starmer >> this is what sir keir starmer said yesterday . said in parliament yesterday. >> the country >> why doesn't the country deserve so much better than a prime minister who simply doesn't get britain ? doesn't get britain? >> um, now some people have taken that to be a bit of dog whistle politics, not least the conservative mp nadhim zahawi, who said i flinch when i heard that , when i who said i flinch when i heard that, when i heard the leader of his majesty's opposition trot

out the sort of line that i've had to deal with all my life. >> aaron, do you think it was a dog whistle? no not at all. >> and i don't think you think that i don't think you think that. i don't think you think that. i don't think you think that. i don't think you think that. i think if it was the other way around, if keir starmer was told, you don't get britain by rishi sunak entirely legitimate thing to say. so if a brown to a white brown person can say to a white person, can't white person person, why can't a white person set person, it's a set to a brown person, it's a legitimate to say to legitimate thing to say to somebody public somebody who holds public office. understand office. you don't understand the electorate. wrong , but electorate. he may be wrong, but it's legitimate thing to say. it's a legitimate thing to say. and idea that the prime and the idea that the prime minister should be insulated from that attack because of the colour of his skin. i find, frankly absurd. >> you that it the frankly absurd. >> wayr that it the frankly absurd. >> way around,hat it the frankly absurd. >> way around, there it the frankly absurd. >> way around, there would 1e frankly absurd. >> way around, there would be other way around, there would be that charitable that sort of charitable interpretation ? ian? well, interpretation? ian? well, i don't because i'm on the >> you know, because i'm on the left. seen much of this left. i've seen so much of this and i've on the and obviously i've been on the receiving the receiving end. people on the right god, the left. you right go, oh, god, the left. you know, they want to call everybody racist, you know. so i've things everybody racist, you know. so i"great things everybody racist, you know. so i"great deal. things everybody racist, you know. so i"great deal. um, things everybody racist, you know. so i"great deal. um, obviously, a great deal. um, um, obviously, look, if keir starmer had form, if know, involved if he'd, you know, been involved in various racist, um, scandals

over then i wouldn't in various racist, um, scandals oveso then i wouldn't in various racist, um, scandals oveso charitable.1en i wouldn't in various racist, um, scandals oveso charitable. buti wouldn't in various racist, um, scandals ove so charitable. but given dn't in various racist, um, scandals oveso charitable. but given het be so charitable. but given he hasn't, take each hasn't, i think you take each person value say, person at face value and say, look, something he would look, this is something he would say to somebody on basis say to somebody on the basis of their record rather their political record rather than look, than their skin colour. so look, that's view . maybe that's just my view. maybe others that's just my view. maybe oth and we're get much >> and we're going to get much more this, aren't we, mike? more of this, aren't we, mike? maybe >> but i agree with aaron on this. >> funnily enough, don't think this. >> idogwhistlngh, don't think this. >> idogwhistle jgr all. ion't think this. >> idogwhistlngrall. in't think this. >> idogwhistlngrall. i think nk this dogwhistle at all. i think he was talking about his wealth because that's he's always because that's what he's always attacked in the past. attacked him with in the past. you know, this man is a billionaire. he's not actually, it's who's daughter it's his wife who's the daughter of billionaire. but they're it's his wife who's the daughter of iverynaire. but they're it's his wife who's the daughter of iverynaire.bufamily.e it's his wife who's the daughter of iverynaire. bufamily. but very, very wealthy family. but i think it's a bit rich for keir starmer say to the prime starmer to say to the prime minister opposite him the minister opposite him in the commons, don't britain . commons, you don't get britain. keir starmer, in my view , lives keir starmer, in my view, lives in westminster bubble and in the westminster bubble and north london primrose hill set and doesn't have a clue what's happening in the rest of the country, where at least rishi sunak , right, has got around the sunak, right, has got around the country . at least he's been to country. at least he's been to america, been a successful businessman, moved around the world and i honestly think rishi sunak knows more about the realities of life than keir

starmer. i don't think starmer knows enough about the people who he's trying to enlist to support the labour party, because i still think there's a silent majority and a lot of them in the north of england who keir starmer does not connect with, and rishi sunak's constituency is north yorkshire in richmond. >> absolutely . you know he does >> absolutely. you know he does get out there. >> i buy that i think i think both of them are deeply disconnected from society. you know, amazing disconnected from society. you know,about amazing disconnected from society. you know,about keir amazing disconnected from society. you know,about keir starmerazing disconnected from society. you know,about keir starmer when he story about keir starmer when he was director of public prosecutions, huge sums of prosecutions, spent huge sums of money, um, this, uh, high money, um, for this, uh, high powered car, basically taking him work every day over him to work every day over several years. of course, he's in was one stop on in london. it was one stop on the tube and so to me that denotes two things. firstly, political disconnect also. look, i'm very happy to spend money if i'm very happy to spend money if i'm not the one that has to pay for it. so i do agree. >> socialism. i do. well, i don't think we've run out of other people's money if that's the case and the conservative party is all socialist, but more socialist socialists. socialist than the socialists. >> i say is >> in fact, what i would say is that, know, i think it

that, you know, i think it speaks about our speaks volumes about our political more generally, political class. more generally, but think this is but i don't think this is exemplary, exemplary racism. but i don't think this is exe i |plary, exemplary racism. but i don't think this is eer|plarythinknplary racism. but i don't think this is exe i |plarythinknplarkeir racism. >> i also think that keir starmer because starmer is disconnected because he's a human rights lawyer. by trade. okay. before he became director prosecutions . director of public prosecutions. and at one stage in the past, some 20 years ago, he was representing people seeking asylum in this country against the british government. they asylum in this country against the ehave| government. they asylum in this country against the ehave| gova'nment. they asylum in this country against the ehave| gova very 1t. they asylum in this country against the ehave| gova very valid they asylum in this country against the ehave| gova very valid case, y may have had a very valid case, but a terribly sensitive but it's a terribly sensitive subject . and as a human rights subject. and as a human rights lawyer, going into the next lawyer, he's going into the next election. and again , election. and i think again, when he doesn't understand how he's explain his role in he's got to explain his role in life as a human rights lawyer, surely sorts of different surely he all sorts of different cases across his desk. >> people from all walks of life i >> -- >> yeah, i exam >> yeah, i think look, with lawyers, i think this is again, it's one of those things that's emerged last few years. emerged in the last few years. people bash you people bash lawyers. you defended this person, you prosecuted person. that's prosecuted this person. that's that's their that's their game. that's the industry they're in. and think be a bit and i think it can be a bit unfair to sort of say, you did this or that. you know, also he he people in the he defended people in the mclibel very mclibel trial pro bono, very virtuous. that virtuous. i don't think that makes good person, by the

makes him a good person, by the way. but if he's going to say, i'm starmer, i prosecute i'm keir starmer, i prosecute thousands of terrorists. >> also got to >> yeah. he's also then got to take well, you're take on, well, you're prosecuted. three postmasters. yeah. we're going to take yeah. if we're going to take everyone that prosecuted everyone that was prosecuted because that's because this is that that's relating to his role as director of public prosecutions, crown prosecution service, that's a pubuc prosecution service, that's a public role. >> of course he should. yeah, yeah, yeah. >> he was trained as a >> but but he was trained as a human rights lawyer he human rights lawyer before he became director of public prosecutions. he also tried to convict 20 journalists. >> well , convict 20 journalists. >> well, we're going to have to pause this here. >> be back you. of >> we'll be back with you. of course, in our next hour. stay with here on news as we with us here on gb news as we cover of that horizon it cover more of that horizon it scandal. don't go anywhere . it scandal. don't go anywhere. it looks like things are heating up. >> box spoilers, sponsors of weather on gb news . hello >> box spoilers, sponsors of weather on gb news. hello i'm andy shuttleworth from the met office and this is your latest gb news weather update. >> see more sunshine >> we'll see more sunshine continuing across southern areas through the rest of the afternoon. and afternoon. further north and east, will turn

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>> good afternoon britain. it is thursday the 11th of january. the post office horizon it inquiry continues with post office investigator stephen bradshaw saying he was not technically minded despite heanng technically minded despite hearing . reports of various hearing. reports of various problems with that it system cancen problems with that it system cancer, heartache sven—goran . cancer, heartache sven—goran. eriksson reveals he has terminal cancen eriksson reveals he has terminal cancer. the former england manager discloses he has at best, a year left to live. >> and by—election time it's been announced in the last hour that wellingborough, that by—election in wellingborough is to be held on the 15 of february . could it be a valentine's day massacre for rishi sunak as the battle begins for the seat of the former tory mp peter bow?

>> and we have had plenty of thoughts from you today about labour's proposals to introduce supervised tooth brushing, brushing schools . and we were brushing in schools. and we were talking about disclosing tablets earlier and i thought i'd misread a word . this was misread a word. this was a viewer who got in touch, a listener, saying they were sent home with disclosing tablets in the 70s and 80s, and i thought, oh, that's actually should be disgusting tablets. but it's not disclosing do disclosing tablets. i do apologise. do exist apologise. yes, they do exist and they disclose the plaque on your teeth . yeah, they help can your teeth. yeah, they help can help colour the areas that you're missing when you're brushing so are brushing your teeth. so they are absolute brushing your teeth. so they are abswell, hopefully don't >> well, hopefully they don't disclose obviously disclose anything. but obviously if you're if you're missing bits and bobs, they're they're a useful i think remember useful tool. i think i remember i think i definitely had some in school. class it

school. i think my class did it at some okay. perhaps in at some point. okay. perhaps in primary school. at some point. okay. perhaps in prirwell,;chool. to all of you >> well, thank you to all of you who've this i am who've pointed this out. i am supremely disclosing . tablets. >> well, we know on my way home we know what to get in for the show tomorrow. >> that's, uh. goodness me. maybe, maybe the end of the show. know, um, but show. i don't know, um, but before that, an and some before all of that, an and some more substantive to news come. let's headlines with ray let's get the headlines with ray addison . good afternoon. addison. good afternoon. >> it's 12:02. addison. good afternoon. >> it's12:02. our top stories >> it's 12:02. our top stories this hour. the wellingborough by—election will be held on the 15th of february. it's the first date to be announced of two by—election challengers that rishi sunak faces next month . rishi sunak faces next month. peter bone lost his wellingborough seat after a parliamentary investigation found that he committed acts of bullying and sexual misconduct. mr bones . rejected those mr bones. rejected those findings. former minister chris skidmore resigned from his kingswood seat over his opposition to the government's green policies . opposition to the government's green policies. he opposition to the government's green policies . he now says he green policies. he now says he won't support the tories. the

date for that by—election is still tbc. shadow payment paymaster general jonathan ashworth says that people have had enough of the conservatives will be fighting very hard to win the trust of the people of wellingborough in kingswood , but wellingborough in kingswood, but it is staggering that we have these two by elections, one because a conservative mp has resigned and has had enough of rishi sunak and another because of his disgraced behaviour. >> and i think it indicates that this really is a government which people want to turn the page on. >> after 14 years of failure, after 14 years where people in wellingborough and kingswood and across the country are paying more in tax, as rishi sunak says he wants all supposed masters to receive their compensation payments by the summer. >> number 10 has confirmed that at least £1 billion has now been set to aside pay out compensation to victims of the post office horizon scandal, while stephen bradshaw, a post office investigation manager at the time, is giving evidence at

the time, is giving evidence at the inquiry today, he's been defending comments made in 2012 when he said he had absolute confidence in the horizon it system and was never told of any software faults . meanwhile, software faults. meanwhile, downing street says that legislation to expunge convictions will be published within weeks. iran has claimed responsibility for a us oil tanker hijacking off the coast of oman. that's according to the country's state news agency, the uk's maritime trade operations authority received reports of armed intruders dressed in military style uniforms , who military style uniforms, who boarded the vessel in the early hours this morning. then they lost contact with with the ship . lost contact with with the ship. that comes after a british navy vessel destroyed several drones, launched by houthi rebels at ships in the region. the uk and the us governments have previously warned that any escalation would result in retaliation . former england boss retaliation. former england boss sven—goran eriksson says he has a year at to best live after

being diagnosed with cancer. he was the first foreign coach to manage england , leading the manage england, leading the so—called golden generation of footballers, including david beckham and wayne rooney . he beckham and wayne rooney. he also led england to the quarter finals of the 2002 and 2006 world cup and of course, the ,2,004 two. south africa is accusing israel live accusing israel of live streaming . genocide at the first streaming. genocide at the first day of the hearings at the hague, jeremy corbyn joined the south african delegation for the country's case against israel comes as mr corbyn publicly described hamas as a terrorist group, but accused the israeli army of being guilty of acts of terror too. israel's president has called the case atrocious and preposterous . south africa's and preposterous. south africa's justice minister, ronald lamola, says the conflict needs to end our government has approached the international court of justice to prevent the unfolding genocide in gaza . genocide in gaza. >> we have also asked for a provisional measures, which

include an immediate suspension of israel's military operations in and against gaza. the commitment to justice and bring an end to the humanitarian atrocities in palestine , atrocities in palestine, resonate deeply with the collective consciousness of the global community. on the scale of these actions is reminiscent of these actions is reminiscent of these actions is reminiscent of the rwandan genocide 30 years ago . ago. >> the nhs is failing to hit most of its key performance targets, despite the overall waiting list dropping . that's waiting list dropping. that's according to the latest data , according to the latest data, for more than 355,000 people in england had been waiting for over 52 weeks to stop start their hospital treatment. that was at the end of november 2023. that's down from more than 377,000 at the end of october. however, more than 11,000 people have been waiting over 18 months. the government says it's working to eliminate all waits of more than a year. the government has announced plans for a new power station as big as hinkley c and sizewell c.

it's in a bid to lower electricity bills and strengthen energy security. £300 million will also be invested to produce fuel required to power the reactors, removing a dependence on moscow . princess royal has on moscow. princess royal has been visiting a buddhist temple in sri lanka and will give you more details on that in just a moment . yes, it's part of moment. yes, it's part of princess anne's visit to mark 75 years of diplomacy with britain. the temple of the sacred tooth relic is the most significant buddhist temple in the country today. the princess is also travelling to jaffna to meet northern communities. she'll also meet members of a charity working to remove munitions from former front line areas . this is former front line areas. this is gb news across the uk on tv on yourin gb news across the uk on tv on your in your car, rather on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. now let's get back to tom and .

pip. >> good afternoon britain. it's just gone 2:08 and a significant number of the subpostmasters involved in legal action against the post office will not accept the post office will not accept the £75,000 offered by the government. those are for those who are not convicted . the prime who are not convicted. the prime minister's spokesman said that only an estimated third of those individuals will take the monetary compensation fine. >> this comes as post office investigator stephen bradshaw gives evidence in central london today. this is . these are live today. this is. these are live pictures from the inquiry which has been going on for some three years now. they're clearly looking at a document. it's phase four of the inquiry. three and stephen bradshaw , post and stephen bradshaw, post office investigator, has admitted to seeing reports of honzon admitted to seeing reports of horizon issues in 2010 but said that he is not technically minded. well let's cross to

westminster and speak to gb news political correspondent katherine forster and catherine, just how much pressure has the post office, their leadership and their investigators been placed under ? placed under? >> well , a lot of pressure, but >> well, a lot of pressure, but not before time , surely, because not before time, surely, because the horizon , an faulty system the horizon, an faulty system put . in in the horizon, an faulty system put. in in 1999 and within a year or so , alan bates, the year or so, alan bates, the subpostmaster who led the charge on this and had found that there were issues and it was reported by computer weekly back in 2009 that there were issues and the post office spent year after year denying this and prosecute perfectly innocent people. so the drama that has really touched a nerve with the public has led to this rush to get legislation through parliament to quash these hundreds of convictions of innocent postmasters and compensation.

600,000 for those who , um, work , 600,000 for those who, um, work, convicted, 75,000 offered to those who weren't that were in the cohort that took this class action against the post office back in 2019. now only about a third of those are expected to take it. they can turn it down and go for more, because if you think about it, um, these people have had their lives ruined for people committed suicide. other people committed suicide. other people have died before seeing justice. businesses lost huge debts, racked up their reputation in tatters. so even if you didn't go to jail , the if you didn't go to jail, the effects have been very profound. um, joe hamilton, who was the post master in hampshire, she featured very heavily the blonde lady in the itv drama . lady in the itv drama. responding to this yesterday , responding to this yesterday, they talked about the 75,000 and said that she really thought that perhaps should be like an o that perhaps should be like an 0 added to it .

that perhaps should be like an 0 added to it. so a feeling certainly that that is not enough. from renee. but huge pressure now on the post office. will anybody ever be brought to justice? and of course, fujitsu. it's emerged that the government has been awarding billions upon billions of pounds in contracts to them. they're massively embedded really into our systems and, you know, this was a huge cover up. they knew there were faults . the post office and faults. the post office and fujitsu lie and lied. this has been proven now a billion pound compensation bill and the government will have to take that money. ultimately will have to pay that money out. but real talk now that they might ultimately try to get it back from fujitsu. and if and when they are found to be culpable . they are found to be culpable. the justice secretary, alex chalk, has been saying as much . chalk, has been saying as much. >> questions also being asked. catherine of many politicians across the board, i just want to ask you about sir keir starmer,

the labour leader, because he was running the cps when it brought three cases against postal masters. do we know whether he knew about these cases ? did they land on his desk ? >> well, 7 >> well, labour are saying that no, he absolutely didn't know anything about these at the time. and he was, of course, director of public prosecutions from 2008 to 13. um, and, and so he was in charge of the crown prosecution service, of course , prosecution service, of course, these prosecutions were mostly private prosecutions brought by the post office. that's another thing that the government are looking into, whether really that ability should be scrapped, given what has happened. but in the case of sir keir starmer, yes, these three cases, but labour saying first of all, he knew nothing about them. and that's probably because during his time as head of the cps and

there were 4 million cases dealt with. so that was three out of just 4 million. but certainly difficult questions for him , difficult questions for him, difficult questions for him, difficult questions for sir ed davey , the lib dem leader, who, davey, the lib dem leader, who, um, alan bates contacted multiple times, did have a meeting with. but sir ed pretty much sided with the post office, is now saying that he was lied to and obviously he wishes he'd acted differently knowing what he knows. but everybody really in the frame for this too, because was the government awarded a cbe to paula vennells um in 2019, and these faults had been flagged for years by then. so why was that decision made and why did governments not act sooner and quicker? this goes right, right back , right back to right, right back, right back to 1999. okay >> political correspondent katherine forster, thank you for that. >> well, let's get more on this now with our gb news national reporter theo chikomba , who's reporter theo chikomba, who's outside the inquiry in central

london. and theo, they have been looking at documents this afternoon soon. what's been going on inside the building? >> yes. well right from the morning to this afternoon , morning to this afternoon, they've been looking at documents, emails and various correspondence that steven bradshaw has had with colleagues over the years. now of course, he was an investigation manager dunng he was an investigation manager during that time. now he works in the security team, but he has been sharing some of his experience , particularly when it experience, particularly when it comes to his written statements. but he's been maintaining his answers, particularly when it comes to some of the statements which he is saying were written by lawyers despite having been signed by him. and of course, the language used in some of these statements, he was asked , these statements, he was asked, do you think it led to people ending up in prison? but he maintained his answers by saying, well, actually , this is saying, well, actually, this is written by lawyers and i think what what they've written is right. but it wasn't technically

written by me. and another issue which he has been raising today is about the technicality of the situation that the horizon it system, uh, had at that time. and this is what he had to say. >> faux pas recalls that there were newspaper articles you had been told by your equals that there was a growing body of cases, itself was cases, but that in itself was not for you to not sufficient for you to question the reliability of the honzon question the reliability of the horizon system, because i'm not technically minded with that. >> i would expect that to come from the people above. if it was an issue, i would expect fujitsu to inform office and to inform the post office and the office to let us know the post office to let us know what what the issues are . what what the issues are. >> and as we know, some of these issues began in 1999. and of course, by 2010, he was aware of some of the issues going on with the it system. there are in the press at that time. and of course, he said , i'm not course, he said, i'm not technically minded. i would expect that to come from people

above not people on his level. so he didn't feel he needed to go any further unless it was coming from those above him. and he says in hindsight, there probably should have been another line stating that these are not my words when it comes to some of those written statements. and he said with investigators accused of behaving like mafia gangsters , behaving like mafia gangsters, bradshaw denied being a bully and denied being a liar. and, he said, also , just finally, that said, also, just finally, that he described himself as a small cog and at the end of the session, he again reiterated reiterated the technicality, um, thatis reiterated the technicality, um, that is not his area of expertise . expertise. >> jack carson theo chikomba , >> jack carson theo chikomba, thank you very much for bringing us up to date . us up to date. >> seems like so many questions and so much, so many years of evidence to go through. it's no wonder inquiry has been wonder this inquiry has been going for, well, more than going on for, well, more than three years now. >> england manager sven >> former england manager sven goran eriksson has revealed that he's been diagnosed with terminal . he says he has

terminal cancer. he says he has around a year at most to live. >> the 75 year old told swedish radio station p1 the shock news after being in a good state of health. >> well, joining us is the sports broadcaster aidan magee. good afternoon to you, aidan. terribly sad news. this and sven—goran eriksson being very open. sven—goran eriksson being very open . i think talking about his open. i think talking about his diagnosis . yes. diagnosis. yes. >> yes indeed. >> yes indeed. >> pep. good afternoon to you both. yeah. he said in his interview yesterday with p1 that interview yesterday with p1 that in sweden that he had actually been a series of strokes that had brought to the had been brought to the attention of the medics. >> on further investigation, >> and on further investigation, when there when they discovered there was underlying which he has underlying cancer, which he has since upon and said since expanded upon and said that treated. he that he can't be treated. he said case scenario, said that best case scenario, it's worst it's a year to live and worst case scenario , so it could be case scenario, so it could be a lot less than that, which is typical of sven's circumspect way of talking about things. he typical of sven's circumspect way saidlking about things. he typical of sven's circumspect way said thati about things. he typical of sven's circumspect way said that it's)ut things. he typical of sven's circumspect way said that it's probably;. he typical of sven's circumspect way said that it's probably note also said that it's probably not worth talking about, but when we look back on his england career, i you make very good i mean, you can make a very good case for him being a very good england manager. could make england manager. you could make an case for him

an equally good case for him being good. can point being not so good. you can point to cups and to the world cups where and the euros, tournaments to the world cups where and the euros, he tournaments to the world cups where and the euros, he lost tournaments to the world cups where and the euros, he lost wayneyurnaments to the world cups where and the euros, he lost wayne rooney nts where he lost wayne rooney to injury subsequently injury in 2006. he subsequently got sent he lost eight got sent off. he lost eight wayne to injury in 2004, wayne rooney to injury in 2004, when the team looked as if they could go all the way in portugal. shootout portugal. two penalty shootout defeats in 2004 and 2006, he lost ferdinand of course, lost rio ferdinand of course, because he missed a drugs test back euro 2004, so he was back in euro 2004, so he was quite unlucky. but then again, you look back at that you might well look back at that generation think beckham, generation and think beckham, scholes wayne scholes, frank lampard, wayne rooney and look at them and think, well, actually, was this a wasted opportunity? they were think, well, actually, was this a wasteasopportunity? they were think, well, actually, was this a wasteas the yrtunity? they were think, well, actually, was this a wasteas the golden’ they were think, well, actually, was this a wasteas the golden generation. known as the golden generation. then of there then there, of course, there were the there were the indiscretions as well. 2003, indiscretions as well. in 2003, he just went for a cup he said he just went for a cup of with the new chelsea of tea with the new chelsea owner, when owner, roman abramovich, when it was clear he was trying to was clear that he was trying to put forward a put himself forward as a candidate take reins candidate to take on the reins of though of that club, even though claudio ranieri was in situ. you can look at the affair that came out in 2002, just prior to the tournament, with ulrika jonsson , tournament, with ulrika jonsson, and later a couple of years later with faria alam, who was an fa employee. and of course, i

mean, i was at the news of the world around this time when the sting with involving the fake sheikh, said sheikh, which basically said that revealed that he well, basically revealed that he well, basically revealed that revealing that that he had him revealing that he to joining other he was open to joining other clubs. was right. clubs. if the money was right. so say that he kind so some would say that he kind of besmirched role in some of besmirched the role in some ways. he gave out caps to willingly, but i think you have to him some credit as to offer him some credit as well. rooney in at well. he put wayne rooney in at the think 16. i was at the age of i think 16. i was at his game at upton his first game at upton park against full 18 against australia a full 18 months he appeared the months before he appeared in the in the in the euro 2004 tournament. don't forget , he tournament. and don't forget, he tried to do that as well with theo walcott a couple of years later, everyone vilified him for putting for putting wayne rooney. sorry for putting wayne rooney. sorry for putting walcott putting theo walcott in the squad for the 2006 world in squad for the 2006 world cup in germany. plan was the germany. but the plan was the same rooney. he was going same with rooney. he was going to get him into the squad, get him ingratiated fold him ingratiated into the fold with a view to performing later on. so as i say in his own way, quite divisive figure. on. so as i say in his own way, qui'however,ve figure. on. so as i say in his own way, qui'however, when jre. on. so as i say in his own way, qui' however, when jre. reached >> however, when he reached perhaps popularity in the perhaps peak popularity in the united kingdom when his name became the of a of a song became the title of a of a song that hit the top ten charts in the uk back in 2001, was when

the uk back in 2001, was when the was when the england team managed to defeat germany five one. under his leadership . one. under his leadership. >> exceptional performance. yeah, i mean that came from nowhere really. i mean, england had genuinely been improving since he took over the previous february. and september february. and by september everything just seemed to click together the thing together and the best thing about that that about that, tom, was that that result was really badly needed on and it resulted in on the night, and it resulted in england automatically england qualifying automatically for the tournament. there were other highlights as well. if you think about the struggles england beating england have now beating top sides knockout tournaments, sides in knockout tournaments, well, beat argentina well, they did beat argentina in the stage in 2000 and two the group stage in 2000 and two in japan and korea. the group stage in 2000 and two in japan and korea . that was in japan and korea. that was david beckham beckham's moment of sent of salvation having been sent off years so plenty off four years before. so plenty to admire about his time and to consider about his his side, his time of the england job time outside of the england job we look at or we always we always look at or we always crystallise of period crystallise some of these period in football. he did in english football. but he did loads stuff italy, loads of great stuff in italy, he with four he won seven trophies with four clubs and he never clubs in italy and he never actually one of the big actually managed one of the big three juventus. he actually managed one of the big thregreat juventus. he actually managed one of the big thregreat things juventus. he actually managed one of the big thregreat things in ventus. he actually managed one of the big thregreat things in sweden he actually managed one of the big thregreat things in sweden as did great things in sweden as well. his native sweden with gothenburg and

gothenburg prior to that, and then the england period it then after the england period it was different countries was a few different countries around the world. he also managed leicester, but i'll tell you great actually. when you a great story actually. when he city , where he left manchester city, where he left manchester city, where he a he he did quite well for a year, he made a point of buying a spa voucher single member voucher for every single member of manchester city, and of staff at manchester city, and that be about 250 members that would be about 250 members of staff there, and that would have set him back a few quid. he didn't have that. a lot of didn't have to do that. a lot of them didn't know, but he them he didn't even know, but he did nonetheless. and did it nonetheless. and particularly at that club, i know they hold him in high particularly at that club, i know tiin hold him in high particularly at that club, i know tiin fact, him in high particularly at that club, i know tiin fact, they in high particularly at that club, i know tiin fact, they made h regard. in fact, they made a statement yesterday. >> well, magee, thank >> oh well, aidan magee, thank you taking us you so much for taking us through all the ups downs through all the ups and downs of the sven—goran the career of sven—goran eriksson. and i suppose our wishes his friends and wishes go out to his friends and family absolutely plenty more to come. >> do stay with us. we're going to talking about the duke of to be talking about the duke of sussex, prince harry, who's going to be honoured as living going to be honoured as a living legend of aviation . what are legend of aviation. what are your thoughts on that? this is good afternoon britain on .

isabel monday to thursdays from. six till 930. good afternoon britain. it's 2:25 and the south african government has accused israel of committing genocide against palestinians in the war in gaza. the international court of justice is hearing the case that's underway at the hague. >> israel rejects south africa's allegations of genocide former labour leader jeremy corbyn was seen outside the icj following the opening of hearings .

the opening of hearings. >> well, joining us to discuss this now is gb news home and security editor, mark white. and mark, what precisely is being discussed? and frankly, why is jeremy corbyn there? well well, i mean, i think it's no surprise that jeremy corbyn, who is a long time supporter of the palestinian people and the palestinian people and the palestinian cause, uh, might feel , well, palestinian cause, uh, might feel, well, um, impelled , uh, feel, well, um, impelled, uh, compelled to go to , uh, the compelled to go to, uh, the hague for that court appearance andindeed hague for that court appearance and indeed he is there. >> um, along with six other, uh, individuals who have decided that they want to support, uh, south africa in what it's doing in taking this to case the international court of justice. what we've been hearing, uh, are arguments from a number of legal counsel for the south african government today , uh, saying government today, uh, saying

that the plan, they describe it as a plan to destroy gaza, uh, is a plan that was sanctioned at the highest levels of the israeli government. they've spoken about the very significant, uh, air and ground strikes that have been taking place that have taken a very high toll in terms of the civilian populace of gaza . civilian populace of gaza. they've spoken about the way in which israeli troops have almost made they've described them as snuff videos , as, um, bragging snuff videos, as, um, bragging about it. uh, the destruction that they have wrought on the palestinian people. now, of course , israel completely denies course, israel completely denies guys what the south africans are alleging here. and tomorrow they will begin their defence in the court. but today it's the south africans. and this is what one of the legal counsel said to the court just about an hour ago

now, to die a slow death because of starvation and dehydration , of starvation and dehydration, or to die quickly because of a bomb attack or snipers. >> but to die nevertheless . in >> but to die nevertheless. in fact , heritage >> but to die nevertheless. in fact, heritage minister amichai eliyahu said that israel must find ways for gazans that are more painful than death. it is no answer to say that neither are in command of the army. they are in command of the army. they are ministers in the israeli government. they vote in the knesset and are in a position to shape state policy . shape state policy. >> well, of course, this international court's, uh, listening and taking, uh, if it does decide to do that , this does decide to do that, this case on the substantive case, it would be years before we have a conclusion to that. so what south africa is calling for is

an urgent ruling , an interim an urgent ruling, an interim ruling by the court , uh, which ruling by the court, uh, which is a ruling they want anyway, uh, trying to compel israel, uh, to cease its military actions in gaza. but there is no way that this court can actually compel israel to do that. if israel doesn't want to do that. and israel has regularly said that it does not intend to stop its military actions until it has dismantled hamas. military actions until it has dismantled hamas . that job is dismantled hamas. that job is not yet done , and we know that not yet done, and we know that because, of course , there are because, of course, there are still pretty much daily rocket attacks launched from gaza into israel . israel. >> so, mark, while we've got you here, could we also ask you about what is happening in the gulf of oman? how significant is this news that the iranian navy has seized an oil tanker? >> well, it just ramps up the tension in that part of the world. we know, of course, that in the red sea there are

significant issues with the iran backed houthi rebels who have been targeting commercial shipping and indeed naval vessels in that area . they say, vessels in that area. they say, in support of palestinians. they say that the commercial shipping that they've been going after is israeli linked shipping. i think that's quite a tenuous, uh, claim to make at best. uh, some of the links , uh, are pretty of the links, uh, are pretty tenuous, as i say, but what we've got further up , uh, and we've got further up, uh, and around into the, uh, the streets is, uh, the, the, um, into towards the gulf there, the, uh, the persian gulf, uh, we had this ship, the saint nicholas, an oil tanker. uh that has been boarded by, we're told, five, uh, armed individuals wearing some type of military uniform. um, despite their faces, who

have been blacking out the security cameras on that ship. and they've been gradually taking control of that oil tanker. now, we believe we've it's still the early stages of this, that this incident is unked this, that this incident is linked to iran proper. this ship has history. uh, it was at the centre of a seizure by the americans. a couple of years back. uh, over claims that it was sanctioned busting and carrying oil for iran in really , carrying oil for iran in really, really concerning stuff. >> there a pretty significant seizure mark white, thank you very much for talking us through those two issues. >> our panel will be back with us in just a few minutes. discuss some of the stories that you're talking about today. first, your headlines with ray addison . addison. >> good afternoon. it's 231. our top stories . the wellingborough

top stories. the wellingborough by—election will be held on the 15th of february. it's the first date to be announced of two by—election challenges that rishi sunak faces next month . rishi sunak faces next month. peter bowen lost his wellingborough seat after a parliamentary investigation found that he committed acts of bullying and sexual misconduct. he's rejected those findings. former minister chris skidmore resigned from his kingswood seat over his opposition to the government's green policies. no date on that by—election yet, but he now says he won't support the tories . rishi but he now says he won't support the tories. rishi sunak but he now says he won't support the tories . rishi sunak says he the tories. rishi sunak says he wants all support masters to receive their compensation payments by the summer. number 10 has confirmed that at least £1 billion has now been set aside to pay out compensation to victims of the post office horizon scandal. victims of the post office horizon scandal . stephen horizon scandal. stephen bradshaw, who was a post office investigation manager at the time, he's been giving evidence at the inquiry today. he's defended comments he made back in 2012 when he said he had absolute confidence in the

honzon absolute confidence in the horizon it system and said he was never told of any software faults . iran has claimed faults. iran has claimed responsibility for a us oil tanker hijacking off the coast of oman. that's according to the country's state news agency . see country's state news agency. see the uk uk's maritime trade operations authority received reports of armed intruders dressed in military style uniforms , boarding the vessel in uniforms, boarding the vessel in the early hours of this morning. then they lost contact. that comes after a british navy vessel destroyed several drones launched by houthi rebels at ships in the region. the uk and us governments have previously warned that any escalation would result in retaliation . the nhs result in retaliation. the nhs is failing to hit most of its key performance targets, despite the overall waiting list dropping. that's according to the latest data. more than 355,000 people in england had been waiting for over 52 weeks to start their hospital treatment at the end of november last year. that's actually down

from more than 3000 377,000 at the end of october. however, more than 11,000 people in england have been waiting over 18 months. you can get more on all of those stories if you visit our website gbnews.com .

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news. good afternoon britain. >> it's 2:37 and you've been getting in touch with the biggest story of the day. of course, that horizon it scandal involving the post office and john has written in to say it's not just happening at the post office, it's happening in the nhs and the fire service too. i was a nurse in the nhs for 30 years, says john. and i think that's a complaint. many people have about the sort of state of these big data it systems that these big data it systems that the government uses in so many different ways then. >> good afternoon. you say to carroll. carroll proved the honzon carroll. carroll proved the horizon system is still faulty. surely all the royal mail must do is monitor one sub post office for a week by having a member of royal mail audit staff standing by and recording every transaction manually and then compare the manual results with the horizon computer results . the horizon computer results. >> oh gosh. well, i mean, if they'd have done that 20 years

ago, we wouldn't be in this mess. >> yes, exactly. >> yes, exactly. >> but of course, people have been believed we might not be here. that's certainly true. vaiews@gbnews.com is the address we do address to get in touch. we do enjoy reading all of your views, but let's discuss this more deeply now we're joined by, uh, mike perry and aaron bastani . i mike perry and aaron bastani. i was going to say your title, but you're at novara media. i don't know if you're commissioning editor or whatever it is. founder started it, co—founder, co—founder. >> well aaron, >> there you go. well aaron, this , uh, inquiry today is the this, uh, inquiry today is the entering its fourth year, but it only really seems like it's reached the sort of crescendo of pubuc reached the sort of crescendo of public conversation after an itv drama. mhm. that's absolutely right. which is a pretty extraordinary story in itself. and i think it says something probably quite serious about policy in this country, although ihave policy in this country, although i have seen lots of people on twitter saying why didn't the media pick this why haven't media pick this up, why haven't journalists about it? journalists talked about it? they precisely. they did. they did precisely. >> were lots of newspaper >> there were lots of newspaper reporters for

reporters working on this for a very long time, but it's just on page very long time, but it's just on pagrather splashing the front. >> but what's remarkable is, and i'm people listening i'm sure most people listening and seen it, if and watching have seen it, if they should. it they haven't, they should. it is such extra ordinary story of such an extra ordinary story of big characters who we all know in life . archetypes. you've got in life. archetypes. you've got the trade unionists, the grisly trade unionists, you've got the, you know, the obsessive man who wouldn't give up the stubborn man. mr bates, you've got lovely lady in you've got this lovely lady in hampshire just taken to hampshire who's just taken to the cleaners post office. the cleaners by the post office. precisely. and these are all sort of social archetypes. sort of these social archetypes. we're familiar with in we're all familiar with in everyday what makes we're all familiar with in ev suchay what makes we're all familiar with in evsuch a what makes we're all familiar with in evsuch a stunning what makes we're all familiar with in evsuch a stunning story.t makes it such a stunning story. i wouldn't be surprised if this became motion picture became like a big motion picture . deserves oscar. i know i . it deserves an oscar. i know i sound , it really sound ridiculous, but it really is fantastic story . is a fantastic human story. >> and then today we've been heanng >> and then today we've been hearing from stephen bradshaw, post investigator , he post office investigator, so he would part of that would have been part of that team, wouldn't he? that turned up to the offices in their up to the post offices in their big cars. very big cars. yeah, very intimidating behaviour. absolutely and he's been accused of being a bully. yeah. being a liar. yes. um, and him and his colleagues behaving like mafia

gangsters i totally agree. >> do you know what i think this is going to go nowhere politically. oh, and i was just looking at this in financial looking at this in the financial times. dems and times. labour, lib dems and tories face the music for tories all face the music for lack of action over post office scandal. they are all in it en masse inside the house of commons and, you know, probably better than i do that when a scandal erupts in the house of commons about somebody's personal very personal behaviour, it's very rarely raised in the house because they'll say , we've got because they'll say, we've got one our side. who's worse one on our side. who's worse than that? you know i mean? than that? you know what i mean? and will close ranks and they will close ranks because every i've just found out that one of local mps, out that one of my local mps, paul scully, a sutton and paul scully, uh, is a sutton and cheam in surrey, near to where i live. he's involved because he was minister there, was a business minister there, which i knew he was. and he's being asked what was his part in it. you told me the it. i think when you told me the 16 different ministers and 1717 representing them, and they've all got to be questioned, i think paul scully, to be fair to him, he has been quite proactive i >> -- >> he definitely has to get things moving here. let's things moving here. and let's i mean, heroes, mean, there's more heroes, sorry, fewer heroes. um

sorry, there's fewer heroes. um sorry. there's more there are very few heroes in this politically. we've got lord arbuthnot. yeah. and we've got kevin jones. yeah and who else have we nadhim zahawi who played himself in the drama. >> but i totally agree with you about paul. >> a very honourable man. >> paul's a very honourable man. he london and he was minister for london and minister business up until minister for business up until the reshuffle. and now who the last reshuffle. and now who knows why. you know this , this knows why. you know this, this was up. but the other was thrown up. but the other issue too, because i knew we were talking this, i spoke were talking about this, i spoke to night. to somebody last night. somebody said me, the first they said to me, the first thing they should done is if the money should have done is if the money had gone missing, found out where had gone, they where the money had gone, they did check some subpost master's bank accounts right ? and they bank accounts right? and they couldn't find the money there . couldn't find the money there. so why didn't they check check the accounting system inside the post office to find if the money had bounced back because they couldn't find out there wasn't . couldn't find out there wasn't. >> keep lying to people saying you're the only person this is happening to. >> absolutely such an outright lie, because that would send

somebody mad, wouldn't it? >> you know, it's me. i've been accused of stealing it. i haven't got it. sorry. >> no. it's i mean, this >> no. it's fine. i mean, this is thing with james is the thing with james arbuthnot well. you're saying is the thing with james arbuthrnot well. you're saying is the thing with james arbuthrnot manyl. you're saying is the thing with james arbuthrnot many heroesz saying is the thing with james arbuthrnot many heroes inaying is the thing with james arbuthrnot many heroes in all|g there's not many heroes in all this. and again, that's portrayed in portrayed really well in this drama. this drama. you know, i think this story really story says something really significant about the political culture is significant about the political culofe is significant about the political cul' of these is significant about the political cul'of these people is significant about the political cul'of these people deferred is all of these people deferred to power, jo swinson, power, all of them. jo swinson, all davey. um, all covering sir davey. um, stephen timms, like you say, it's all three parties. yeah all the third power. the person with the third power. the person with the power says this, i believe them. said. no, the power says this, i believe theof said. no, the power says this, i believe theof these said. no, the power says this, i believe theof these people said. no, the power says this, i believe theof these people can'taid. no, the power says this, i believe the of these people can't be no, all of these people can't be lying. can't be lying. they can't all be thieves. more to thieves. there must be more to it. and that's healthy it. yes. and that's that healthy scepticism is something we need more of in politics. yeah. >> i mean, why couldn't somebody work some of the best work out that some of the best people in society, some postmark writers, were like vicars, doctors and policemen in our communities. but all of a sudden they collect collectively, decided to become thieves and crooks and to steal from the people who are their customers. and the little subpostmasters offices in villages across britain. then somebody work out that well, either the martians

have landed and injected something in our water, or these people are being maligned for something they haven't done , and something they haven't done, and it's easy to understand how perhaps someone sitting outside of the system wouldn't connect these dots. >> but the post office was going after people. of course it after these people. of course it was the people after. was the people going after. surely, investigators surely, surely the investigators who being questioned at who are now being questioned at the today , yeah, would the inquiry today, yeah, would be thinking, gosh, i've got a lot more i used to lot more work than i used to have. what's going on here? exactly. >> p- exactly. >> ed davey situation. >> and the ed davey situation. right. | >> and the ed davey situation. right. i started watching the tv drama blew up. drama after the story blew up. so catch up and i thought, so i'm catch up and i thought, it's very good, but do you know what real story now has what the real story now has got more it than the more drama in it than even the tv because tv drama tv series, because the tv drama doesn't point out, for instance , doesn't point out, for instance, that ed davey ended up advising lawyers against the subpostmasters. i mean, how could you make that up? >> i mean, ed davey says, through this whole thing, he was persistently lied to. >> he was lied to by the post office officials , but he was the office officials, but he was the head of the post office,

persistently lied to. >> yeah . and he was he was one >> yeah. and he was he was one of those 17 post office ministers over the course of this long scandal. uh, that that have all, i suppose , up until have all, i suppose, up until 2019, failed to ask these questions. >> can i say one more thing as well? i mean, that's a huge point. and also, by the way, he made a hell of a lot of money. we're talking more than £200,000 exactly. not £5,000. hell exactly. not £5,000. a hell of a lot for that lot of money working for that law in addition to law firm. yeah. in addition to that, vennells, who was law firm. yeah. in addition to thatceo, vennells, who was law firm. yeah. in addition to thatceo, uh,’ennells, who was law firm. yeah. in addition to thatceo, uh, alsolls, who was law firm. yeah. in addition to thatceo, uh, also involved was law firm. yeah. in addition to thatceo, uh, also involved ins the ceo, uh, also involved in the ceo, uh, also involved in the of england, times the church of england, the times reported that independent reported that two independent sources told them that no less than welby welby, the than justin welby welby, the archbishop of canterbury , wanted archbishop of canterbury, wanted her be the bishop of london. her to be the bishop of london. >> oh, yes. >> oh, yes. >> what that say about the >> what does that say about the third most powerful role in the church england? this chap is church of england? this chap is he doesn't show him as good he doesn't show him as a good judge character wants. judge of character if he wants. >> this whole of >> how does this whole of scandal to her religious faith? >> exactly ? >> exactly? >> exactly? >> how does she reconcile that one? >> unbelievable . >> unbelievable. >> unbelievable. >> exactly, totally agree. >> exactly, i totally agree. what question. don't >> exactly, i totally agree. what what question. don't >> exactly, i totally agree. what what is question. don't >> exactly, i totally agree. what what is inestion. don't >> exactly, i totally agree. what what is in her)n. don't >> exactly, i totally agree. what what is in her conscience , know what is in her conscience, what's she's handed what's in her head. she's handed back her gong pretty quickly. what about the million she

what about the £5 million she benefited ? benefited from? >> but isn't it ridiculous that you get these small, same small cast of characters who go from one public body to another, whether it's the church or , um, whether it's the church or, um, running the post office or whatever it is, and simply for being there, they get an honour. it's the it's almost like it's sort of expected . it's like sort of expected. it's like people bonuses for doing people getting bonuses for doing absolutely nothing. >> you also the >> and don't you also get the impression i certainly get the impression i certainly get the impression elite in impression that the elite in this are now far this country are now so far removed from real people that they couldn't possibly have thought that the little people who subpostmasters could who are the subpostmasters could possibly have amounted such a protest against what was going on to overturn burn the offices of the elite , because the elite of the elite, because the elite believe that they have the right to be believed and get on with life. >> hmm. well, i mean, this is where alan bates comes into it, you know, he refused to he refused to pay back any money. he lost his job. there's now calls for him to be knighted. >> he certainly deserves. >> he certainly deserves. >> if anybody does, i would have

thought would be thought would would be inevitable. yeah. thought would would be ine'theyle. yeah. thought would would be ine'the prime yeah. thought would would be ine'the prime minister's >> the prime minister's spokesman that spokesman yesterday saying that that so that would be a good idea. so i suppose need watch this suppose we need to watch this space. that's right. but shall we this where it is? there we park this where it is? there is so much we could we could spend the entire discussion on this issue. but of course, we've heard news today heard some very sad news today about sven—goran eriksson. of course, former england course, the former england manager, having revealed that he has terminal cancer. >> yeah, yeah, well, look , you >> yeah, yeah, well, look, you know, i, i've worked very closely with sven over the years, both as a journalist and iused years, both as a journalist and i used to be the press officer at the fa, so i had good connections there. sven was a very, very nice man . connections there. sven was a very, very nice man. um, possibly too nice to be a ruthless football manager because he had the golden generation of footballers , but generation of footballers, but he didn't do anything with them. we always got knocked out in the quarter finals, usually on a penalty out , quarter finals, usually on a penalty out, and quarter finals, usually on a penalty out , and often penalty shoot out, and often against portugal or germany . you against portugal or germany. you know what i mean? there was that five one over germany. five one win over germany. >> there that was >> well, i was there that was the highlight. >> there, nobody could >> i was there, nobody could believe was the old believe it. it was the old olympic stadium munich. believe it. it was the old oly the: stadium munich. believe it. it was the old

olythe last dium munich. believe it. it was the old olythe last then munich. believe it. it was the old olythe last the lastmunich. believe it. it was the old oly the last the last time:h. believe it. it was the old oly the last the last time the >> the last the last time the german played at that german team played at that stadium, they went stadium, it was before they went into that into the new stadium that changes colours. into the new stadium that changes andyurs. into the new stadium that changes and we. into the new stadium that changes and we couldn't believe >> um, and we couldn't believe it. owen a hat it. michael owen scored a hat trick . uh, steven gerrard scored trick. uh, steven gerrard scored that . all of a sudden we that night. all of a sudden we thought, well , the saviour has thought, well, the saviour has arrived we've got but arrived and we've got him. but the golden generation , wayne the golden generation, wayne rooney, steven gerrard , frank rooney, steven gerrard, frank lampard were never properly utilised and sven didn't seem ruthless enough to make it work. and do you know why? i mean, technically football things. i don't understand this. so can gerrard and frank lampard play in the same team? you had to be ruthless to cut one of them out and let the other one always had too many stars. >> he was trying to make >> he was always trying to make them >> he was always trying to make the paul scholes, i think, was >> paul scholes, i think, was england's player. he got so england's best player. he got so fed the sven fed up with the way sven wouldn't be ruthless and make a decision. he quit international football. he literally walked away and was best player. away and he was our best player. >> you know what's really >> well, you know what's really interesting is that actually i think arguably his best think his arguably his best result the germany result wasn't the germany five one, course was one, although of course it was was losing two one in was losing to brazil two one in the world cup quarter final the 2002 world cup quarter final because one of

because that was probably one of the international sides the best international sides even the best international sides ever. ronaldo, ever. that's right. ronaldo, rivaldo , ronaldinho, seaman and rivaldo, ronaldinho, seaman and we have lost by that degree hugely unlucky because david seaman basically to blame. seaman was basically to blame. yes. what's interesting yes. and what's interesting is actually midfield actually the midfield duo in that people that tournament. maybe people can you know, it was can remember, you know, it was was nicky butt and scholes. was nicky butt and paul scholes. now butt was a great now nicky butt was a great player, but it wasn't as impressive a lampard impressive as a lampard or a gerrard. but was described gerrard. well but was described as footballer in the as the best footballer in the world. by pele, right? world. remember by pele, right? but that but and it goes to show that chemistry lot. you chemistry matters a lot. you know, have all the know, you can have all the superstars the but if superstars in the world, but if they don't gel it doesn't doesn't they don't gel it doesn't doeand what about >> and what about the collectivist message to take from collectivist message to take frorwe also talk about >> we should also talk about sven off pitch, because sven off the pitch, because i think as think i said earlier, as a manager, he quite manager, he seemed quite vanilla. great manager , but vanilla. great manager, but quite, quite vanilla. but off the pitch, off the pitch, a bit of a lothario. >> well, brought nancy >> well, he brought nancy dell'olio to this dell'olio with him to this country i thought country and i thought she was a beautiful, glamorous woman, you know, sort know, and she, she really sort of of the wag of took control of the wag situation because the wag situation because the wag situation big those days. situation was big in those days. but , you sven but then, you know, sven had a bit of wandering eye. i mean, bit of a wandering eye. i mean, it's all documented. so i'm not

accusing him of anything that that there. and one that wasn't there. and on one occasion to decide occasion the fa had to decide whether to act against for whether to act against sven for allegations of, you know, maybe inappropriate behaviour or against somebody else at the fa who might have been involved in the same sort of behaviour. so they went for the other guy and saved you what saved sven, you know what i mean? and sven got through. but can back to his can we just get back to his cancer diagnosis? can we just say sorry him, say very, very sorry for him, but these but you can take hope these days.i but you can take hope these days. i was listening to noddy but you can take hope these days. i um listening to noddy but you can take hope these days. i um thezning to noddy but you can take hope these days. i um the otherto noddy but you can take hope these days. i um the other day.yddy but you can take hope these days. i um the other day. noddy holder. um the other day. noddy was diagnosed five years ago with terminal cancer , and he's with terminal cancer, and he's still so one hopes that still alive. so one hopes that in this day and age, when new medicines and new practices are being discovered all the time, that perhaps then, you know, will receive of many years of life if it goes the right way for him. and i wish him very well. you know, he never did anybody any harm, knowingly. and |, anybody any harm, knowingly. and i, i something turns up anybody any harm, knowingly. and i, him. something turns up for him. >> and actually open as he >> and actually being open as he is, will be comforting for is, will, will be comforting for other people in the same situation. >> he's i mean, he's very young. >> he's i mean, he's very young. >> he's i mean, he's very young. >> he's only 74, isn't he, 74. yeah. mean, it's not it's not. yeah. i mean, it's not it's not. you're but yeah, you

you're not young but yeah, you know, a developed know, he's from a developed country , affluent etc. it's no country, affluent etc. it's no age. and we saw franz beckenbauer of course pass away in 78. yes that to me feels quite young i think when you come very open like this. >> you're absolutely right, pip. do you know what that turns the world's attention on world's focus and attention on cancer? or not. and cancer? believe it or not. and you know, you might find a doctor in south america who thinks , you know, i saw thinks, you know, i saw something , you know, in his something, you know, in his diagnosis or something like that. so let's all keep our fingers crossed and hope that sven might , fingers crossed and hope that sven might, uh, might stay with us longer. yeah us a lot longer. yeah >> shall we just have a quick word now on, prince harry? word now on, uh, prince harry? oh, yeah. because, um, he's been named a living legend . but. but named a living legend. but. but not for not for something that people might necessarily think of when they first think of prince harry. aviation. yeah >> listen, he passed his army test as a pilot, but then he was put on the elite apache helicopters and funnily enough, ended up as a gunner and not a

pilot. now, i'm not knocking him, but he never, you know, was the pilot of those planes. he was well , we know he's the was well, we know he's the gunner because he boasted he killed 25 members of the taliban, didn't he? you know what mean? which rather what i mean? which is rather foolish. whether foolish. i wonder whether the reason this is, uh , a big deal reason this is, uh, a big deal for is because he's for harry is because he's getting off. john getting the award off. john travolta he, travolta isn't he, john travolta? yes. travolta? no yes. >> ceremony in beverly hills. ceremony. i mean, i mean, i mean, he's following in the footsteps of buzz aldrin . footsteps of buzz aldrin. >> look, it's unbelievable that he's going be alongside neil he's going to be alongside neil armstrong. the first man ever to stand the moon and buzz stand on the moon and buzz aldrin, the second man ever to stand on the moon. the second man stand moon. man ever to stand on the moon. and man who, when he and the only man who, when he went of spacecraft went out of the spacecraft for a spacewalk, his , um, blood spacewalk, his, um, blood pressure went down, not up. that's how good buzz aldrin was. he was . so. i mean, you can't he was. so. i mean, you can't really imagine harry stepping out into space and his blood pressure going down. >> does he? does he deserve this ? >> well, emm- eman- emm— h sort of feel sorry >> well, i sort of feel sorry for because think, you for him because i think, you know, harry just wanted to serve in forces. probably a

in the armed forces. probably a little anonymity. in the armed forces. probably a littlgo anonymity. in the armed forces. probably a littlgo on. anonymity. in the armed forces. probably a littlgo on. the.anonymity. in the armed forces. probably a littlgo on. the. ilonymity. in the armed forces. probably a littlgo on. the. i can'tiity. in the armed forces. probably a littlgo on. the. i can't say the on, go on. the. i can't say the word. go on the razzle. uh probably a few days a week. he didn't want much. and that was taken and taken away from him. and obviously, happened in obviously, what's happened in the know, the years since, you know, obviously the years since, you know, obv but ly the years since, you know, obv but does he the years since, you know, obvbut does he deserve to be >> but does he deserve to be called a living legend of aviation? >> that's probably >> well, i think that's probably a bit a stretch. and a little bit of a stretch. and again, i sort of feel for again, i sort of feel sorry for him he's kind of him because he's he's kind of living strange now living this strange life now in the united the west coast of the united states. obviously away states. yeah, obviously away from that's one part from his family. that's one part of but i think also, this of it. but i think also, this isn't necessarily life that isn't necessarily the life that he know? well, he's he wanted, you know? well, he's got got now. he wanted, you know? well, he's got isn't got now. he wanted, you know? well, he's got isn't got what/. he wanted, you know? well, he's got isn't got what everyone who >> isn't this what everyone who lives as lives in california does as well? join a certain circuit well? you join a certain circuit and this weekend you're around john travolta's to give you an award. then you'll give him an award. then you'll give him an award week. and they award the next week. and they all just spend all their days giving other and giving each other awards and clapping other, networking giving each other awards and clappiyou're other, networking giving each other awards and clappiyou're fasther, networking giving each other awards and clappiyou're fast asleep working giving each other awards and clappiyou're fast asleep out> don't you agree? >> goes to like a >> imagine if he goes to like a convention of all these winners and oh, why you and he says, oh, why are you here? well, the speed here? on well, i broke the speed of you know, i was the of sound as you know, i was the first one an aeroplane at first one to fly an aeroplane at the speed of sound. what did you

do, harry? i took out 25 of do, harry? oh, i took out 25 of the mean, you know, the taliban. i mean, you know, i know there's no he if he know there's no if he if he deserves it, then there's far more other people as well who served with him, who deserve that. >> right? >> right? >> oh, i rewatched this film, sully, day of the. oh, sully, the other day of the. oh, yes. landed plane in the yes. who landed the plane in the hudson. saved the lives of hundreds that's hundreds of people. that's right. kind person right. that's the kind of person who a living legend who i'd think of a living legend of aviation. wouldn't of aviation. yeah. um, wouldn't he be embarrassed? of aviation. yeah. um, wouldn't he he'll1barrassed? of aviation. yeah. um, wouldn't he he'll be rrassed? of aviation. yeah. um, wouldn't he he'll be embarrassed . funny. >> he'll be embarrassed. funny. >> he'll be embarrassed. funny. >> but will he be there, john travolta? will he be there? >> well, i think his wife will say meeting travolta. say we're meeting john travolta. full know? >> you know? >> you know? >> well, that's we have time >> well, that's all we have time for. thank you, mike perry, >> well, that's all we have time for. thbastani. mike perry, >> well, that's all we have time for. thbastani. ande perry, >> well, that's all we have time for. thbastani. and we'lly, back aaron bastani. and we'll be back tomorrow from 12. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello. this is annie shuttleworth with your latest gb news weather update from the met office . we'll see a milder and office. we'll see a milder and cloudier night for southern areas this evening, but in the north a different story. plenty

of clear spells and a frosty start tomorrow. but for many of us it's going be staying dry. us it's going to be staying dry. that's as high pressure is remaining charge across the remaining in charge across the uk the rest of the week . uk through the rest of the week. it will be dragging in this cloud off the north sea on a north easterly breeze. that cloud spread much of cloud will spread into much of wales, scotland. two to wales, southern scotland. two to leave with cloudy leave many of us with a cloudy but dry night and as a result, temperatures will likely hold up a little than have a little higher than they have done however, across done lately. however, across much northern ireland and much of northern ireland and scotland it will be a cold and crisp night. tonight we be crisp night. tonight we could be down minus eight by down as low as minus eight by tomorrow morning, so quite a cold, but sunny start across much of scotland and northern ireland, where it has been fairly gloomy in recent so fairly gloomy in recent days. so we'll more sunshine lasting fairly gloomy in recent days. so we'lthe more sunshine lasting fairly gloomy in recent days. so we'lthe afternoonrshine lasting fairly gloomy in recent days. so we'lthe afternoon asine lasting fairly gloomy in recent days. so we'lthe afternoon as well. sting into the afternoon as well. however elsewhere it's going to be another cloudy day, particularly the further east you are , the more likely you are you are, the more likely you are to see the cloud lingering through day. across more through the day. across more western see some western areas. we could see some sunshine through and sunshine coming through and temperatures 6 or 7 temperatures around 6 or 7 degrees, a little bit milder than lately, though than we have seen lately, though

we will start to see some rain sinking southwards. it will mainly rain, perhaps mainly be drizzly rain, perhaps bringing snow to high bringing some snow to the high ground pennines through ground of the pennines through saturday and behind it it does turn much colder through the bulk scotland and that cold bulk of scotland and that cold air pushes southwards to cover much of the uk on sunday. but we'll see of we'll continue to see plenty of dry weather. i'll see you later. looks like things are heating up. >> box spoilers, sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> good afternoon. it's 3 pm. >> good afternoon. it's 3 pm. >> welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news, broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. all across the uk . westminster. all across the uk. now there's more dramatic developments in the post office scandal. one of the investigators has faced claims that they acted like mafia gang actors. and later this hour , actors. and later this hour, i'll speak to one of the politicians who led the tireless fight for justice for those postmasters . and there's an postmasters. and there's an incredible story from germany where farmers have fought back against the government's net zero policies. could this uprising happen in this country and jeremy corbyn was part of the south african delegation that accused israel of genocide in the international court of justice today