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chris skidmore resigned from his kingswood seat over his opposition to the government's green policies. no date on that by—election yet, but he now says he won't support the tories shadow paymaster general jonathan ashworth says that people have had enough of the conservatives will be fighting very hard to win the trust of the people of wellingborough in kingswood, but it is staggering that we have these two by elections. >> one because a conservative mp has resigned and has had enough of rishi sunak , and another of rishi sunak, and another because of his disgraced behaviour . because of his disgraced behaviour. and i think it indicates that this really is a government which people want to turn the page on. >> after 14 years of failure, after 14 years where people in wellingborough and kingswood and across the country are paying more in tax . more in tax. >> rishi sunak says he wants all subpostmasters to receive their compensation payments by the summer. number 10 has confirmed that at least £1 billion has been set aside to pay out

compensation to victims of the post office horizon scandal . post office horizon scandal. stephen bradshaw. a post office investigation manager at the time is giving evidence at the inquiry today. he's been defending comments that he made back in 2012, where he said he had absolute confidence in the honzon had absolute confidence in the horizon it system and was never told of any software faults. meanwhile, downing street has said that legislation to expunge convictions will be published within weeks . iran says it within weeks. iran says it seized a us oil tanker off the coast of oman due to a judicial order. that's according to the country's state news agency. the uk's maritime trade operations authority received reports of armed intruders dressed in military style uniforms , military style uniforms, boarding the vessel in the early hours of this morning. then they lost contact. fact that comes after a british navy vessel destroyed several drones launched by houthi rebels at ships in the region, the uk and the us governments have previously warned that any escalation would result in

retaliation . and in some retaliation. and in some breaking news for you , donald breaking news for you, donald trump's civil fraud trial in new york is set to conclude with closing arguments today. now warning for those of you watching on television, the following live footage does contain flashing images. you can see images there from new york. these pictures coming to us from the city where the us president has appeared in the court, comes as the state seeks nearly $350 million in penalties from the former us president for overstating his net worth to banks. the lawsuit alleges that trump and his associates inflate the value of his assets by billions of dollars to secure better loan terms and other financial benefits for more than a decade . trump called the case a decade. trump called the case a decade. trump called the case a political witch hunt. we can hear from him now . this is gb hear from him now. this is gb news across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play on your smart speaker by saying

play gb news now let's get back to . martin. to. martin. >> thank you ray. now there's only one place to start. and of course, that's the latest dramatic developments in the post scandal . and a post post office scandal. and a post office investigator has denied claims he and others behaved like mafia gangs who are looking to collect quotes. bounty with the threat and lies from sub postmasters. strong words indeed . and stephen bradshaw has been giving evidence the horizon it inquiry , which resumed this inquiry, which resumed this morning . and let's cut now to gb morning. and let's cut now to gb news national reporter theo chikomba, who's been at the inquiry today. theo what's the latest ? latest? >> yes. so since this morning, stephen bradshaw , who still stephen bradshaw, who still works for the post office now in the security team security team was part of the investigations team as a manager during a criminal investigation of nine

subpostmasters and sub post mistresses. now, today , he's mistresses. now, today, he's been quizzed by the inquiry's counsel, julian blake, about his written statements and some of those conversations. he was having with colleagues via emails and various other documents . but interestingly, documents. but interestingly, today he's been speaking particularly about the written statements and whether or not he was involved in that. and he was saying, i, despite having written statements, he was saying they were technically written by the solicitors who were working with the post office during this investigation . and this is what he had to say a little earlier. >> we've seen lisa brennan this morning being told in her interview that nobody else is making mistakes. >> haven't we? >> haven't we? >> i've explained that in in that particular branch , she was that particular branch, she was the only person in that branch that was having that particular issue . issue. >> we've seen the letter from the lawyer at the post office taking a conscious decision not

to tell miss mcdonald about simon mayall case. do you remember that document, don't you? >> that's right. >> that's right. >> and that's after the that's after the interview? yes >> um, so, miss mcdonald complaint there that she was told that she was the only one that that rings true, doesn't it? >> it doesn't say i have never said that to her, that she is the only one. >> now, bracho has insisted, and he's been adamant that the it issue is separate. now he's been asked whether he thought it was necessary to look further into the allegations made against horizon system , and in response, horizon system, and in response, he said that he was tasked with gathering evidence and passing it on to solicitors and he added that investigation was being carried out to focus on people not being credited . credited not being credited. credited with cash deposit add some weeks a month later and he remains adamant, saying that the horizon it system was a separate issue. and he says his expertise was mainly in the hardware and not

the technical committee of the system. now we know, um, it caused some of those postmasters and postmistresses to be convicted. some of them are here, um, at the hearing that's taking place here in central london next week, though, we'll all be hearing from some current and former fujitsu employees who , of course, are involved as well. and they'll be sharing their experience and they'll also be quizzed as part of this inquiry, which has been going for on just over two years now. and it has resumed, as we know, of course, following the four part itv drama mr. bates versus the post office, which was released last week. and of course, as we've seen, it's accelerate in the last few days following the ninth announcement from the prime minister yesterday saying that they'll be looking to put in legislation to exonerate and compensate some of those postmasters . hundreds of those postmasters. hundreds of them have been campaigning over them have been campaigning over the last few years. now, of course , the hearing continues

course, the hearing continues here in central london, and we'll have the latest in the next few hours . next few hours. >> thank you. theo chikomba back to studio now as loads to discuss. i'm joined by in our studio by our political correspondent katherine forster and also by khalid mahmood, who's mp for who's the labour mp for birmingham. perry barr. i'll start you, catherine, on an start with you, catherine, on an astonishing scandal every day. it seems to get worse. the idea of they are acting like mafia gangsters, shaking money out of subpostmasters and catherine a revelation. this morning there was a bonus scheme in place where people who prosecuted subpostmasters were financially remunerated . up to 40% of the remunerated. up to 40% of the amount. this this scandal gets worse and worse by the day. >> it's absolutely incredible, isn't it? this allegation on the front page of the daily telegraph that cash bonuses were paid for convictions. they say were trailing , convicting and were trailing, convicting and sending to jail people. pillars

of the community, people that working for the post office for decades, giving their working life to the post office. and rather than working with them and listening to their concerns as they were active , trying to as they were active, trying to just pin the blame on them despite knowing , i mean, there despite knowing, i mean, there was evidence computer weekly reported back in 2009 of problems with this. and, you know, did they really believe that suddenly hundreds and hundreds of diligent, hardworking postmasters had suddenly become criminals ? it's suddenly become criminals? it's quite, quite astonishing thing. and although this itv drama has brought this all to a head, it's so upsetting when you see the personal impact that, um, things have been moving for a while, far too slowly, of course, but this public inquiry has been going on for several years . going on for several years. years? um, there's 600,000 compensation that's going to be given to people that were convicted wrongfully . me. that convicted wrongfully. me. that was announced a few months ago.

but what, of course, is new is this legislation that's going to be rushed to , in uh, exonerate be rushed to, in uh, exonerate everybody who'd been wrongfully convicted ? and also the fact convicted? and also the fact that the compensation is to be, um, by the end of the summer, that's what the prime minister is saying. he wants it to be by the end of the summer. let's see if that happens. people have waited a very long time, so ipso aslef, khalid mahmood, do you think political response has think the political response has been and or the been swift and robust and or the labour party happy with what rishi sunak has done? >> no . no party has come out of >> no. no party has come out of this particularly gracefully, has dates back many, many has it? dates back many, many years. lots of changes of government, a coalition government. labour had their part it. tories. but are part in it. the tories. but are you happy with the political resolution? so far? >> i think now, yesterday the prime minister making a clear statement that they will take legislation through not wait for the judicial process to try and exonerate these people. >> is the important thing. >> that is the important thing. >> that is the important thing. >> i think they've done that now . need forward as . we need to move forward as quickly but when

quickly as possible. but when you people put you incentivise people to put people and charge them and people away and charge them and make them criminals, then that's what's going to happen . what's going to happen. >> and that really has to be now accountable. >> and i think that's a real issue for us to deal with. >> there a piece, let's put >> there was a piece, let's put this point to both you. this point to both of you. there's in the telegraph there's a piece in the telegraph today saying this case kind of exemplifies this feeling today saying this case kind of exentheies this feeling today saying this case kind of exenthe system this feeling today saying this case kind of exenthe system is1is feeling today saying this case kind of exenthe system is against1g today saying this case kind of exenthe system is against the that the system is against the little man. system is little man. the system is against hardworking , honest against the hardworking, honest taxpayer. in this case, pillars of the community, money, big tech lawsuits. yes. this is an example of how everything has gone wrong in britain. do you think? >> absolutely. i mean, this is a huge tragedy , but it goes on day huge tragedy, but it goes on day in, day out. >> there are people being bullied who end up leaving their work that they are teachers. uh hundreds and thousands of teachers leave in the first yeah teachers leave in the first year. they come into there are nurses, there are people working in local government. uh, a constituent of had actually constituent of mine had actually tried to take her life , uh, tried to take her life, uh, after being bullied in her office. and these people get

away with it all the time because they're part of the system, which is there to incriminate people rather than support who should pay, support people who should pay, who should pay the bill on this? >> surely taxpayer can't >> um, surely the taxpayer can't be expected to stump up this be expected to stump up for this this fujitsu? do you think this fujitsu? who do you think the with them? absolutely >> mean, had no time to >> i mean, they had no time to took responsibility for all took any responsibility for all all the mess that they've made , all the mess that they've made, the fact that they were wrong, the fact that they were wrong, the that should the fact that they should have come look, there's come out and say, look, there's an issue here, rather than criminalising people, criminalising these people, they're hands and they're sat on their hands and kept quiet and nothing . and kept quiet and did nothing. and that's really damning. >> catherine, do you think >> and catherine, do you think the post office are sorry or they're sorry they've been they're just sorry they've been caught? uh, well, some allegations now really that the culture hasn't changed much. >> you would think that they would be hanging their in would be hanging their heads in shame , wouldn't you? but of shame, wouldn't you? but of course, paula vennells took that cbe in 2019, when it had been widely reported for years . these widely reported for years. these faults lies had been told the cover up had been going on for ages. she took that cbe, she's

given it back now under pressure. but to your point, um, failures of the state, we see it again and again, don't we, when basically ordinary people just doing the best they can are don't get the justice. look at hillsborough, look at grenfell, look at the tainted blood inquiry . these things going back inquiry. these things going back decades. inquiry. these things going back decades . and the people that decades. and the people that have suffered too often don't get the redress , don't get the get the redress, don't get the justice, and the people that are responsible do not pay the price. >> yeah. khalid mahmood i'd like to turn to another matter now. um, keir starmer has come out today in defence of the nanny state, brushing lessons state, teeth brushing lessons in schools, home visitors giving vaccinations to children at home. is that a sensible policy or is it the state just interfering way too far in our children's lives? >> prevention is always better than actually trying to deal with the issue . and i think what with the issue. and i think what the government is trying to do, what wes streeting is trying to do, forward a system do, is put forward a system where to prevent where we're able to prevent young people with dental young people with huge dental issues . at the moment, we've had issues. at the moment, we've had a debate in parliament this week

about the need of dentistry. that's not there , supporting that's not there, supporting people to get a job, or is that the parents job? well, if the parents aren't doing it and we're having to pick the pieces up, which what's at up, which is what's happening at the we need to deal the moment, then we need to deal with it, irrespective of whose job need to ensure job it is. we need to ensure that happens, prevention that happens, and prevention is always better than remedy. >> a big tick always better than remedy. >>vaccinations a big tick always better than remedy. >>vaccinations ii'ii big tick always better than remedy. >>vaccinations in children tick in vaccinations in children since covid. perhaps there's no coincidence . yes, but is it the coincidence. yes, but is it the right thing for a government to be sending vax letters into homes to vaccinate children? it seems very intrusive. >> well, no , we've had, uh, if >> well, no, we've had, uh, if you look back, there were a number of health workers. they actually used to visit, uh, people at home. this is some 50 odd years ago. uh, a lot of young people wouldn't understand that. that system worked . that. but that system worked. and i what we need to do and i think what we need to do is old is get back to some old principles ensuring that principles of ensuring that these vaccinations are given and ensuring the safety, not just for the individual that who has that issue, but also for the rest of community as well. rest of the community as well. that's why it's important to do

that jeremy that on another point, jeremy corbyn back into view corbyn has hoved back into view today. >> he's appearing at the hague for whatever reason, giving evidence against israel . you had evidence against israel. you had some choice words. you spoke to my colleague keith bayes earlier . is this helpful? corbyn grandstanding and meddling? like this ? this? >> well, no. i think politicians need to stay away from this. let the courts international court deal with this issue. uh, south africa has some very competent , africa has some very competent, uh, lawyers and judges. and so israel. so let them fight it out in the court. and we'll look at the actual result of that. but politicians grandstanding on this, i don't think is helpful. can i ask you why the labour party is so obsessed with with the middle east and gaza, palestine? the palestine? i don't think the labour party upset, most labour party is upset, as most people uh, i think what people think. uh, i think what their concerned about their people are concerned about issue human rights and what's issue of human rights and what's going on in that sort of area, and whether that was in gaza , and whether that was in gaza, whether that was in south africa, or wherever africa, america or wherever else it is . i people are it is. i think people are generally part of the ethos of

the labour party is social justice equality. so justice and equality. and so that's are probably that's why people are probably interested in this. >> i was at prime minister's >> but i was at prime minister's questions time yesterday. it just struck um, that a just struck me, um, that a dispute number of the dispute hit a high number of the questions labour party questions from the labour party were palestine on. and, were about palestine on. and, you know, we in a cost of you know, we are in a cost of living crisis. people have very grave concerns about their their ability economically ability to function economically . and yet there is this seeming it's almost like a sixth form obsession with with palestine. >> well, it's not a lot of people have huge amount of constituents who are really concerned issue . so concerned about this issue. so part of doing is that you part of doing that is that you have to represent the views of your constituents. so it's about vote what it well, vote and that's what it well, no, it's always about listening to constituents. that's to your constituents. and that's what what what i've done. and that's what a do. we do a huge a lot of people do. we do a huge range of that range of issues that are concerning constituents. range of issues that are concerniris constituents. range of issues that are concernir is of constituents. range of issues that are concerniris of them. uents. range of issues that are concerniris of them. and s. and this is one of them. and particularly at the moment it's very the limelight. so very much in the limelight. so therefore want responses therefore people want responses for and that's what's happening. >> are you ready to govern the country your lot very much so. >> sir keir proven that, >> uh, sir keir has proven that, uh, a great frontbench uh, we've got a great frontbench team, who are prepared to

team, uh, who are prepared to work. uh, you've got bridget phillipson in terms of education, john healey in terms of defence, the shadow chancellor is probably the best chancellor is probably the best chancellor you're ever going to have. there's money. wes have. there's no money. wes streeting. we will deal streeting. uh, but we will deal with money to with the, the money is going to be issue of how we continue be the issue of how we continue to raise more money and develop the country and move forward. at the country and move forward. at the moment, the tories aren't doing that. what need to the moment, the tories aren't doiisi that. what need to the moment, the tories aren't doiis get t. what need to the moment, the tories aren't doiis get back what need to the moment, the tories aren't doiis get back t0|at need to the moment, the tories aren't doiis get back to basicsneed to the moment, the tories aren't doiis get back to basics andi to the moment, the tories aren't doiis get back to basics and see do is get back to basics and see how we can get that going . how we can get that going. >> didn't well the first >> it didn't work well the first time, on a serious point, we time, but on a serious point, we are liam byrne left that famous note. there was no money left. that was a mere 97 billion in debt. £2.6 trillion debt. now we're £2.6 trillion in debt. now we're £2.6 trillion in debt. ideas in the debt. the greatest ideas in the world rolling. how world need bank rolling. how will labour pay for these will labour pay for all these ideas? first this ideas? well first of all, this huge amount of has come huge amount of debt has come under the conservative. >> i understand issue of >> i understand the issue of covid and we had to get out of that. some the policies are that. some of the policies are fine. of the policies in fine. some of the policies in terms ppe fraud are not good. terms of ppe fraud are not good. so had to deal with that. so so we had to deal with that. so i issues i think there are issues there. and labour government and what the labour government says need to says is that if we need to borrow it'll be borrow something, it'll be backed uh, particular uh,

backed on, uh, particular uh, ticket, will then be ticket, which will then be repaid in terms of that. so it'll be borrowing to invest not borrowing for just normal purposes. okay >> pu >>rposes o . ka y go purposes. okay >> go to the polls. >> well we go to the polls. i think maybe this year looking like khalid mahmood , like most likely khalid mahmood, thanks us. and also thanks forjoining us. and also catherine thank you catherine forsyth. thank you very start very much. a cracking start to the in few minutes the show. now in a few minutes i'll be joined in the studio by lord arbuthnot, did as lord james arbuthnot, who did as much in the fight for much as anyone in the fight for the sub postmaster . much as anyone in the fight for the sub postmaster. and there's plenty of coverage on that huge story on website , gb news. story on our website, gb news. com and you've helped to make it the fastest growing national news website in the country. so thank you much. now, german thank you very much. now, german farmers are staging an extraordinary protest this week. they're demonstrating against their government's drive to net zero. could the same revolution happen here? i'm martin daubney on gb news. britain's news channel.

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. channel >> welcome back. >> welcome back. >> it's 324. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news later this hour i'll talk about jeremy corbyn's support for a court case where israel is being accused of genocide. but first, let's get more on the post office scandal that's captivated the nation . that's captivated the nation. i'm delighted to say i've been joined by in the studio by lord james arbuthnot, who's previously led an mps campaign in support of the sub postmasters . thank you so much postmasters. thank you so much for joining us in the studio. forjoining us in the studio. so, um, so you you were you got involved in this when you were initially contacted by a constituent. is that correct? and then you really took the bat on politically and ran with it. what motivated you to get involved? >> well, i didn't have any choice. it was a constituency issue which to suppose masters raised with me together . uh, raised with me together. uh, a man from odiham post office, david bristow and jo hamilton

from south warnborough and there wasn't much i felt i could do. i had a meeting with the post office, along with another mp who was the mp for alan bates. there wasn't much i felt i could do because jo hamilton had pleaded guilty , so she obviously pleaded guilty, so she obviously couldn't appeal . um, but then couldn't appeal. um, but then subsequently we david bristow's replacement as sub postmaster in odiham was himself removed for exactly the same reasons. and i thought this is absurd. this is clearly not a coincidence. it is a systemic issue that we've got to deal with. so at that stage , to deal with. so at that stage, having written previously to the minister and got a reply by saying, sorry, it's an arm's length organisation, not not us govt, don't, don't trouble me with it. uh, i then wrote again to the minister, but i also wrote to all the mps to say, do

you have a similar sort of problem and a number of them came back and said, yes, we do. >> and so a pattern began to emerge . and at this point you emerge. and at this point you set cross—party group to set up a cross—party group to really about getting really set about getting your teeth trying to teeth into this and trying to get justice done. >> yes. uh , a couple of us >> yes. and uh, a couple of us went to see the chairman and chief executive of the post office, both of them new in post. there was alice perkins, who was the chairman , and paula who was the chairman, and paula vennells, who was the new chief executive. and they really gave the impression that they wanted to clear it up. and and they suggested the appointment of forensic accountants. second sight to look into the matter. >> and this is around about 2015. was it when this the proper inquiry , the you call for proper inquiry, the you call for a judge led inquiry into this. so in a sense you you weren't happy with the fact the post office were mocking their own homework. >> well , it homework. >> well, it was homework. >> well , it was 2012 when the

>> well, it was 2012 when the post office appointed second sight. yeah but they're negotiating with the mps and with the subpostmasters ran into the ground when the when the post office began to sabotage their own mediation scheme and when they began to deny to the forensic accountants the information that would allow them to get to the bottom of it. so the mps broke off, negotiate oceans. i called the post office duplicitous, which i think they were, and the post office had to go in front of the select committee to justify their behaviour and all these years later , lord jones, we've seen later, lord jones, we've seen this huge dramatic end game where seemingly within weeks, days we have this this , this. days we have this this, this. >> fast forward towards final resolution and justice. are you happy with the process of where we are? do you think a good job has been done? do you think we will finally see long, long overdue justice for the subpostmasters and

postmistresses? >> well, there many >> well, there were many opportunities for this opportunities before for this week to sort it out at a much lower cost in terms both of emotion and emotional trauma. and financially, which were opportunities which were missed. but yes , i'm very pleased that but yes, i'm very pleased that we are now where we are because suddenly we, the public, the politicians are all over this andifs politicians are all over this and it's no longer my baby. it's everybody's baby. >> do you think the post office is sorry or are they sorry they've been caught ? they've been caught? >> i have the impression that they wish this would all go away, and that the sorry that they've been caught, but, um , they've been caught, but, um, you can't listen to the stories of the subpostmasters and not become obsessed , furious, become obsessed, furious, possibly . even if you're in the possibly. even if you're in the post office . post office. >> and what what stories in particular really moved you ? particular really moved you? >> well, joe hamilton was my

constituent and her story of not danng constituent and her story of not daring to tell her husband and about the huge losses that were racking up not being able to go home at night because she was so busy trying to work out where on earth this money had gone. borrowing money from her parents, both of whom died. and i'm sure that that was contributed to by the awful pressure that they were put under that joe was put under. but but lee castleton's story being bankrupted . with £321,000 being bankrupted. with £321,000 costs in order for the post office to recover a £26,000 debt that wasn't owing to them. yeah, it's so shocking because then what happened to lee castleton's family? just doesn't bear thinking about. >> and today they the words coming out or the post office

behaved like mafia gangsters. well i mean, that's absolutely spot on. >> they i believe we've knew that the horizon system was faulty when they first took it on. why else would the department of work and pensions have rejected it? they took it on knowing it was faulty. but prosecutor ing the subpostmasters as though it was not faulty, and blaming the subpostmasters for everything that had happened and telling the subpostmasters that they were the only people that it had happened to complete. lie and they were doing that on a daily bafis. they were doing that on a daily basis. incredible they were doing that on a daily basis . incredible stuff. basis. incredible stuff. >> lord james yesterday rishi sunak called this one of the biggest political scandals in british history. >> how do you feel personally, having been part of the resolution on. >> i am delighted that at >> well, i am delighted that at last, at long last, we are getting to closer to resolution. we now need to see the actual action. it's going to take a bit of time to get this legislation

into place, and we've got to work out the details of it, but i think now we are all working together to achieve that, so i couldn't be more pleased. thank you very much. >> well, lord james arbuthnot, i think a great many people will be very , um, would like to say be very, um, would like to say thank you i'd to thank you to you and i'd like to say thank thank you. cheers say thank you. thank you. cheers all . now, there's lots all right. now, there's lots more still to come between now and 4:00. i'll cross live to germany , where are germany, where farmers are fighting back against the government's net zero strategy. but first, let's get your latest news headlines with anderson i >> -- >> thanks, martin. 331 our top stories this hour. the wellingborough by—election will be held on the 15th of february. it's the first date to be announced of two by—election challenges rishi sunak faces next month . peter bowen lost his next month. peter bowen lost his wellingborough seat after a parliamentary investigation found that he committed acts of bullying and sexual misconduct. he's rejected those findings .

he's rejected those findings. meanwhile, former minister chris skidmore resigned from his kingswood seat over his opposition to the government's green policies . there's no date green policies. there's no date yet for that. by election, but he's now said that he won't support the tories . former he's now said that he won't support the tories. former us president donald trump is in court in new york to hear closing arguments in his civil fraud trial , now, warning for fraud trial, now, warning for those of you watching on television , there will be television, there will be flashing images coming up. now, the stake is the state, rather is seeking nearly $350 million in penalties for overstating his net worth to banks. the judge has ruled that he's not allowed to make his own statement today, as he refused to agree to limits on what he would be allowed to say. trump spoke outside the court, however, and he did claim that the trial represents election interference as well . election interference as well. rishi sunak wants all subpostmasters to receive their compensation payments by the summer. number 10 has confirmed that at least £1 billion has been set aside to pay out compensation to victims of the

post office. horizon scandal. stephen bradshaw . a post office stephen bradshaw. a post office investigation manager at the time is giving evidence at that inquiry. he's been defending comments that he made back in 2012, when he said he had absolute confidence in the honzon absolute confidence in the horizon it system and said he was never told of any software faults . well, iran says that it faults. well, iran says that it seized a us oil tanker off the coast of oman due to a judicial order. that's according to the country's state news agency . the country's state news agency. the uk's maritime trade operations authority received reports of armed intruders dressed in military style uniforms, who boarded the vessel in the early hours of this morning. then they lost contact with the ship. that comes after a british navy vessel destroyed several drones, launched by houthi rebels, which were launched by houthi rebels at ships in the region . okay, at ships in the region. okay, you can get more on all of those stories by visiting our website, gbnews.com .

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subsidies and germany wants to hit net zero by 2045, five years ahead of the uk farmers have blocked roads, while some protesters have clashed with police . well, i'm joined now by police. well, i'm joined now by german mep markus buchheit, who is from the alternative for germany party. welcome to the show. markus always a pleasure. so for the benefit of british viewers who might not be fully up to speed about the german tractor protest, can you tell us why it started and what caused farmers to take to the streets in such such extreme numbers ? in such such extreme numbers? >> well, first of all, you might say that it's not only farmers who are going to the streets right now. it's also hotel owners. it's restaurant owners. >> it's a lot of craftsmen and workers here as well who are simply overwhelmed by the enormous raise in prices here and now in the concrete case of the farmers, surely of the diesel taxation, which is starting now, you know, perhaps that to the carbon dioxide that due to the carbon dioxide reduction, german government reduction, the german government has for the next has envisaged for the next months and years to come, we pay

around $0.10 more per litre of diesel or or fuel as well. right now in germany. and surely that will have a huge impact on the production costs , not only for production costs, not only for the farmers, but also if you think about truck owners and all the industry and markus the shipping industry and markus , this has echoes of the gelasian movement in france. >> of course, that was initially over rural taxation on to fuels and also echoes of the dutch farmers protests . again, that farmers protests. again, that was farmland being hit hard by governments trying to cut down on carbon footprints. do you think it is net zero zealotry that's driving this ? that's driving this? >> yeah , definitely. however you >> yeah, definitely. however you might always you see in france and belgium as well as in the netherlands , uh, the reaction of netherlands, uh, the reaction of the public is always much more robust than here in germany. so it is quite surprising to us for me as a politician , for our me as a politician, for our party and for the greater public here in germany, to see that people are taking to the streets in such an immense number,

blocking the streets having blocking the streets and having these demonstrations these huge demonstrations overall and showing their power and their determination to and also their determination to go against these new laws . go against these new laws. >> and how angry are the german public? we see? we've seen in britain in there's no real consultation on the ability to vote on things like this. how angry are the german electorate about, um , net zero measures, about, um, net zero measures, about, um, net zero measures, about the cost of living crisis? on top of that , they . are on top of that, they. are extremely, extremely angry right how. >> now. >> i mean, you see it right now. the current government consisting of those three parties, the red, the yellow ones, the liberals and the green ones, the liberals and the green ones, i think they have around 30% in polls right now. i mean, they are declining massively and they are declining massively and the pressure from the street is rising every day. i mean, you shouldn't forget one thing. we just started the 8th of january. there are many, many more protests during the protests to come during the next days weeks. days of weeks. >> yeah. and it's now gone into other right . you other sectors right. you mentioned that a lot of a lot of, um, other are going of, um, other sectors are going on on strike too. they're

downing tools in solidarity with the farmers. what does that mean for the supply routes in germany or their food shortages ? or their food shortages? >> not yet . we haven't arrived >> not yet. we haven't arrived there quite yet . and you have to there quite yet. and you have to see that , especially the what see that, especially the what you see the epp party here, which is the christian conservative party, the cdu, they are quite closely, traditionally, closely connected to the farmers, and they try to keep that still quite calm and down. but i think they will not succeed in the long run because, you see, there is no action from the government going towards these protests, going towards understanding the people and why they take to the streets . they take to the streets. >> and marcus has this has this, has this people power, has this uprising had an impact? have the government rolled back on any of these policies, or are they sticking to their guns? >> well, you see, um, it's a federal republic. therefore in certain states you do have some small signs of going towards these demands. and and maybe

abolishing some laws. but so far the federal government has not taken back any of them. and they keep going their route. and as you mentioned it before, they need to because they want to achieve net zero. and the farmers, according to their ideology, need to contribute to that. >> and marcus, do you think this will have a net result of a political outfall? will there be a political impact we're seeing all over the world this year, 70 elections nationally . what about elections nationally. what about in germany? do you think people are going to start voting against punitive net zero measures? >> absolutely . they can't. as >> absolutely. they can't. as you mentioned before, they can't directly vote against these measures, but they can vote for the parties who are against these measures. and that is mainly party. and that's my mainly one party. and that's my party, the afd. and you see us right polls with around right now in polls with around 23, we expect certain 23, 24. we expect certain results above the 30% in the results far above the 30% in the certain eastern states like brandenburg and thuringia. and i think this will be a wake up call also for challenging the current political system in

germany and marcus in germany , germany and marcus in germany, as in britain, your party is often branded as right wing, as the brexit party and others were in the uk. >> are the political establishment worried about the insurgent movement that you represent ? represent? >> obviously . but you shouldn't >> obviously. but you shouldn't forget one thing. they are mainly worried about losing their jobs and mainly worried about losing theirjobs and losing mainly worried about losing their jobs and losing the jobs of the guys they employ, so that is their main problem. so however they want to call us, they might call us right wing, right wing, extremist, whatever. it we are there it doesn't matter. we are there for people we have way for the people we have the way towards pragmatism while the others the way towards others keep the way towards ideology . and think what we ideology. and i think what we need is need nowadays that is pragmatism. okay >> thank you very much for joining us on gb news live from germany. markus buchheit , german germany. markus buchheit, german mep alternative for mep for the alternative for germany party, got elected the same day as i did, but of course i was with the brexit party. i was a voting for was a turkey voting for christmas on. labour christmas now moving on. labour have confirmed their plans for supervised toothbrushing for young kids at school. is that a

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developments in the post office scandal as there investigators are accused of behaving like mafia gang busters. strong words indeed. mafia gang busters. strong words indeed . and now israel has been indeed. and now israel has been taken to court by south africa , taken to court by south africa, accused of genocide against palestinians and jeremy corbyn has been part of the south african delegation at the international court of justice at the hague today. international court of justice at the hague today . and viewers at the hague today. and viewers on gb news can see pictures now of the former labour leader out outside the courthouse . well, to outside the courthouse. well, to discuss this, i'm joined now by our security editor, mark white. mark, thanks for joining our security editor, mark white. mark, thanks forjoining us on mark, thanks for joining us on the show. so a dramatic legal case was with severe ramifications . talk us through ramifications. talk us through it. >> well, certainly the potential ramifications for israel, the international criminal court would be, of course, the court where individuals could be prosecuted and potentially jailed. the international court of justice doesn't do that. it

can rule, though. and these rulings do carry weight. they are you know , often regarded by are you know, often regarded by the un and other institutions as significant . but, of course, significant. but, of course, does that mean that israel, at the end of the day, will pay them any heed? probably not, because the israeli government has right from the outset has said, right from the outset that their avowed aim is to dismantle hamas , to ensure that dismantle hamas, to ensure that hamas is no longer a threat to israel and still, on a daily bafis israel and still, on a daily basis , hamas is lobbing these basis, hamas is lobbing these rockets over into israel . so rockets over into israel. so israel says that shows that they still have a job of work to do. i don't think it's any surprise that jeremy corbyn was there, and the hague for the start of this hearing. he is of course, a long time supporter of the palestinian cause. you often see him at stop the war coalition marches and the like . so not

marches and the like. so not really a surprise that he's there, but it's a high profile court case, lots of very damning criticism of israel that was made today. the first day of this case, saying that the effective decision to commit genocide in gaza, according adding, of course, to the south african eyes, was sanctioned at the very highest level. this is what one of the senior legal team for the south african government said to die a slow death because of starvation and dehydration , or to die quickly dehydration, or to die quickly because of a bomb attack or snipers. >> but to die nevertheless . in >> but to die nevertheless. in fact , heritage >> but to die nevertheless. in fact, heritage minister amichai eliyahu said that israel must find ways for gazans that are more painful than death. it is no answer to say that neither are in command of the army.

there are ministers in the israeli government . they vote in israeli government. they vote in the knesset and are in a position to shape state policy . position to shape state policy. >> so in terms of what israel is saying , martin, they are saying, martin, they are compelled moeen ali vehemently denying the accusations that are being made by south africa. they say that they've gone out of their way to try to ensure that their way to try to ensure that the civilian populace can have safe passage , for instance, from safe passage, for instance, from the north of gaza to the south and to areas where the bombing is not as intense. but they say the problem , and it's been the the problem, and it's been the problem from the very outset of this conflict, is that hamas very cynically uses the civilian population in gaza to hide and use effectively as human shields by putting its rocket firing

infrastructure and other terrorist paraphernalia right in the heart of these civilian communities . communities. >> mark, can i ask you a basic question? the united nations , question? the united nations, the red cross, the world health organisation, governments around the world have been queuing up to attack israel . what on earth to attack israel. what on earth has any of this got to do with south africa? >> well, there is a long, a long running issue between south africa and israel , running issue between south africa and israel, and running issue between south africa and israel , and that africa and israel, and that really dates back to the apartheid regime , where israel apartheid regime, where israel had close links with that south african government. it it has been accused by the now government of south africa of, you know, interfering and being responsible for propping up and supporting that apartheid regime . so they are not at all friendly nations . uh, so south friendly nations. uh, so south africa has skin in the game, if

you like , in there. there has you like, in there. there has been a long terme critic of israel. so that is i guess , one israel. so that is i guess, one of the driving factors , uh, for of the driving factors, uh, for south africa. but south africa say, look, the reason they're doing this is because they want to highlight what is going on in gaza. to highlight what is going on in gaza . they want to support the gaza. they want to support the civilian population. there uh, and they, as i say, are very, very concerned at the way that israel is prosecuting the war. okay mark, thanks for that update. >> a lot of people might just say, well, how about just sorting your own country out first? anyway, post office first? anyway, a post office investigator claims investigator has denied claims he others behaved like mafia he and others behaved like mafia gangsters. that's in the next houn gangsters. that's in the next hour. okay so we just have a little a little blip there. look what my point was this. you know, jeremy corbyn can grandstand all he likes. he can go over there and testify at the hague. south africa can have a

go at israel. but really, what's it got to do with them? that was my point. it's like israel was invaded, attacked by terrorists on october the 7th, by hamas, by the way, jeremy corbyn won't even call them terrorists. he was asked to so , was repeatedly asked to do so, and didn't. but here we are. and he didn't. but here we are. he's testifying today . and he didn't. but here we are. he's testifying today. he's testifying today. and what's he got to do with any of these people? that's my point. now lots of you have been getting in touch with your thoughts on the post office scandal. let's read a few of those out now. sarah says this. i was talking to says this. i was just talking to my the strike they had my postie. the strike they had recently the new recently was was for the new post. is coming on board. were being forced to take a contract thatis being forced to take a contract that is worse than the current post is the new contract state that there are no paid breaks and the pay is 20% less than the existing contracts. that surely isn't right. sarah. absolutely it's not right. he would take a 20% pay cut on a new contract , 20% pay cut on a new contract, but lewis says this. why is the government putting aside

compensation money? um, surely it should be fujitsu that puts aside money out of their massive profits from providing faulty it systems ? lewis, i've been put in systems? lewis, i've been put in that to mps all week. i just simply do not think it's acceptable that the taxpayer should pay for this scandal. fujitsu is worth many, many billions of pounds. they've got deep pockets. they were selling a faulty product. surely the buck should stop with them. diane says this. there are so many people who should be contributing payments for contributing to the payments for these poor people who've had their destroyed, but no one their life destroyed, but no one is mentioning the lawyers who have profited this . why have profited from this. why shouldn't they be putting their handsin shouldn't they be putting their hands in their deep pockets and donating to the people that they profited from? it's an excellent point, diane. the lawyers have made a stack of money out of this. i think chopper said yesterday. chris hoban, political editor £150 million from government, has gone to from the government, has gone to lawyers and compensation packages now are are coming finally at long last, up to

£600,000 each. although a lot of postmasters have said they might not even accept them, they want to be totally exonerated . they to be totally exonerated. they need to be completely cleared , need to be completely cleared, and the people who are accountable for this need to be brought to justice. it came out today that there was a bonus system , a bonus system. people system, a bonus system. people who worked in the post office security team were paid 40% of the money. they were chasing 40% of the money. of course , those of the money. of course, those people aren't going to ask questions like, did you actually take the money want to take the money they want to prove? how much money did go missing, and want try missing, and they want to try and back. so they get and get it back. so they get a 40% cut of brutal bonus system that left people fragmented , that left people fragmented, destroyed, impoverished , in destroyed, impoverished, in jail, corrupted . and some of jail, corrupted. and some of them took their own lives and them took their own lives and the inquiry that's rolling on now needs to get proper, proper justice. people will not rest until people, alan bates and all of those 900 postmasters get the

justice they so richly deserve. and here on gb news, we will make sure we keep pushing hard on this story and holding politicians to account every day they come in here. why should taxpayer pick up this bill? why should we pick up the pieces of this disaster that happened on your watch ? that's what we're your watch? that's what we're going to keep saying all the way through. thank you very much. now, daubney on gb now, i'm martin daubney on gb news. got two hours news. we've got two more hours of caulking tv coming up. stick with us. we've got a fantastic video exclusive from farnborough and exclusive of the luxury and an exclusive of the luxury apartments on hold for asylum seekers, except they're not on hold. all that's coming after this , a brighter outlook with this, a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello, this is annie shuttleworth with your latest gb news weather update from the met office. we'll see a milder and cloudier night for southern areas this evening, but in the north different story. plenty north a different story. plenty of clear and a frosty

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good afternoon, it's 4 pm. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. >> all across the uk. and there's more dramatic developments in the post office scandal. one of the investigators has faced claims that they acted like mafia gangsters . and later this hour, gangsters. and later this hour, i'll speak to one of the politicians who led the fight for the justice for the postmaster . and there's a big postmaster. and there's a big update on the flats in hampshire that had been earmarked to house more than 300 migrants and there's sad news today, as former england manager sven—goran eriksson reveals that he has terminal cancer and at best has a year to live. that's all coming in the next hour. best has a year to live. that's all coming in the next hour . and all coming in the next hour. and you'll want to hear from you all the usual ways. please email me

gbviews@gbnews.com. let us know what you think about the ongoing post office scandal . fujitsu post office scandal. fujitsu surely need to stump up the bill for this. why should the taxpayer stump a single penny taxpayer stump up a single penny off compensation? and sven jonasson. sad news, but a footballing legend, a swede who was warmly welcomed here in england. sad news. we'll talk about that later in the hour too. but first it's time for your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst . martin polly middlehurst. martin >> thank you. good afternoon. well, in the united states, protesters have been calling for donald trump to be jailed as closing arguments heard in closing arguments are heard in his new york civil fraud trial. if you're watching on tv, a warning are flashing warning there are flashing images outside the images coming up outside the courthouse. people held aloft signs showing the former president behind bars. others read stop project 2025. the state is seeking nearly $350 million in penalties after the trump organisation was found to

have inflated its net worth to banks. the judge had previously ruled that mr trump wouldn't be allowed to make his own statement in court, after he refused to agree to limits on what he'd be able to say. but speaking outside the courtroom, mr trump accused the white house speaking outside the courtroom, mrelectionaccused the white house speaking outside the courtroom, mrelection interferencenhite house speaking outside the courtroom, mrelection interference .hite house of election interference. >> he said it is an unconscious national witch hunt . national witch hunt. >> it's election interference at the highest level. it's a disgrace . it's in coordination disgrace. it's in coordination with the white house and joe biden because he can't win a campaign fairly and we're going through it. >> but it is indeed a terrible witch hunt. >> we're going to have a news conference a little bit later on. >> as you know, i want to speak. >> as you know, i want to speak. >> i want to make the summation at this moment, the judge is not letting make the summation , letting me make the summation, because bring things because i'll bring up things that to hear. because i'll bring up things tha and to hear. because i'll bring up things tha and it's to hear. because i'll bring up things tha and it's a to hear. because i'll bring up things tha and it's a very to hear. because i'll bring up things tha and it's a very unfairiear. because i'll bring up things tha and it's a very unfair trial. >> and it's a very unfair trial. nobody's seen anything like this. i >> donald trump speaking on earlier today. >> donald trump speaking on earlier today . well, here rishi earlier today. well, here rishi sunak wants all subpostmasters to receive compensation payments by the summer. number 10 says at

least £1 billion has been set aside to compensate those who were wrongly convicted due to faulty software . meanwhile, faulty software. meanwhile, stephen bradshaw, who was a post office investigator at the time time, has been giving evidence at the inquiry. he defended his comments he made in 2012 that he had absolute confidence in the horizon. it software and was never informed of any faults. meanwhile downing street says legislation to quash convictions will be published within weeks . will be published within weeks. now iran has admitted it has seized a us oil tanker off the coast of oman and given the excuse it's owing to a judicial order. that's according to the country's state news agency . the country's state news agency. the uk's maritime trade operations authority received reports of an armed intruder gang dressed in military style uniforms, boarding the vessel before they then lost contact . that comes then lost contact. that comes after a royal navy destroyer , after a royal navy destroyer, the hms diamond, yesterday took out 21 attack drones launched by

houthi rebels at international shipping . the uk and the us have shipping. the uk and the us have previously warned any escalation in there would result in retaliation . now south africa retaliation. now south africa has accused israel of live streaming genocide on the first day of hearings at the international criminal court in the hague .jeremy international criminal court in the hague . jeremy corbyn joined the hague. jeremy corbyn joined south african delegation for the country's case against israel . country's case against israel. it comes as mr corbyn publicly described hamas as a terrorist group, but also accused the israeli army of being guilty of acts of terror to . israel's acts of terror to. israel's president called the case atrocious . south africa's atrocious. south africa's justice minister, ronald lamola, says the conflict needs to end . says the conflict needs to end. >> our government is approached. the international court of justice to prevent the unfolding genocide in gaza. we have also asked for provisional measures which include an immediate suspension of israel's military operations in and against gaza. the commitment to justice and

bnng the commitment to justice and bring an end to the humanitarian atrocities in palestine resonate deeply with the collective consciousness of the global community. the scale of these actions is reminiscent of the rwandan genocide. 30 years ago . rwandan genocide. 30 years ago. >> well, in news here at home, the wellingborough by—election will be held on the 15th of february. it's the first date to be announced of two by—election challenges faced by rishi sunak next . peter bowen lost his next month. peter bowen lost his wellingborough seat after a parliamentary investigation found he'd committed acts of bullying and sexual misconduct. mr bowen rejected those findings . former minister chris skidmore resigned from his kingswood seat over his opposition to the government's green policies. he now says he won't support the tories . now a veteran labour mp tories. now a veteran labour mp says he's suffering from untreatable leukaemia. sir tony lloyd has represented his rochdale constituency since 2017 and has been an mp since 1983. he has been receiving

chemotherapy for a type of blood cancer which has sadly transformed into an aggressive form of leukaemia. the 73 year old asked for privacy for himself and his family. the rochdale mp said his office will remain open to continue to support constituents . now the support constituents. now the princess royal has visited a buddhist temple on her second day of engagement in sri lanka. it's part of princess anne's visit to mark 75 years of diplomacy between the two countries. the temple of the sacred tooth relic is the most significant buddhist temple in the country, and today the princess has also travelled to jaffna to meet northern communities . she's also met communities. she's also met members of a charity working to remove munitions from former front line areas of conflict . front line areas of conflict. that's the news on gb news across the uk on tv , in your across the uk on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel .

britain's news channel. >> thank you polly. now there's only one place to start today. of course, in this hour. and that's the latest dramatic developments in the ongoing post office scandal and a post office investigation has denied claims he and others behaved. quote like mafia gangsters who were looking to collect bounty with the threats and lies from sub postmasters. strong words indeed. stephen bradshaw has been giving evidence to the honzon been giving evidence to the horizon it inquiry, which resumed this morning, and i can cross now to gb news national reporter theo chikomba , who's reporter theo chikomba, who's been at the inquiry today and can give us a full update . theo, can give us a full update. theo, what's the latest ? well i have what's the latest? well i have to say the temperature is heating up inside there in the inquiry during this hearing, as some direct questions are now being asked of stephen bradshaw's character and behaviour and conduct with some of his other colleagues . of his other colleagues. >> now in the last half an hour,

we've also been speaking to a subpar postmistress from the west of england about her experience. and she's saying for 14 years her life has been turned upside down and she's saying she simply wants the government to act quickly. despite what we've heard yesterday , she hopes that action yesterday, she hopes that action can be taken swiftly . but in can be taken swiftly. but in terms of stephen bradshaw, he's now being quizzed by some of the legal counsel and this is what he's been saying earlier today. we've seen lisa brennan this morning being told in her interview that nobody else is making mistakes, haven't we? >> i've explained that in in that particular branch, she was the only person in that branch that was having that particular issue. >> we've seen the letter from the lawyer at the post office taking a conscious decision not to tell all miss mcdonald, about seema misra's case. >> do you remember that document, don't you? >> that's right. and that's after the. >> that's after the interview. >> that's after the interview. >> yes. um, so. >> that's after the interview. >> yes. um, so . so, miss >> yes. um, so. so, miss macdonald's complaint there that

she was told that she was the only one that that rings true, doesn't it? >> it doesn't. >> it doesn't. >> it doesn't. >> i have never said that to her, that is the only one. her, that she is the only one. >> and also, we have been heanng >> and also, we have been hearing from gillian blake, the lawyer who's representing the council . council. >> and of course, he went on to show further documents and correspondence this afternoon , correspondence this afternoon, and he was showing the relationship between bradshaw and one of the lawyers at cartwright king. this is the law firm who was acting on behalf of the post office on the private prosecutions . and it brought prosecutions. and it brought that it brought against the subpostmasters and sub post mistresses. now blake mentions the fact that andrew bulk of cartwright, king criticised bradshaw's ability as an investigator. as we mentioned earlier today, that he was one of the investigators working on behalf of the post office and there was some laughter in the room , actually not from the room, actually not from the subpostmasters sitting near the front, but it comes from some of

the other people who were sitting in on this hearing are taking notes as well. and bradshaw looked stern at blake and said that the bulk opinion but he added that he he added that he could say the same about borg, um, triggering some more laughter inside the hearing. now of course, this hearing is due to end at four around 430. this afternoon. and of course it's been a full day of almost interrogation , having to interrogation, having to recollect some of his actions, which happened a long time ago. but he has maintained his answers. but sometimes he is saying that some of these things happened more than ten years ago. but having spoken to the subpostmistress in the last houn subpostmistress in the last hour, she say, well, in my experience, i had to tell my experience, i had to tell my experience at that particular time and it's a shame that we're heanng time and it's a shame that we're hearing , um, stephen bradshaw, hearing, um, stephen bradshaw, having said that, he can't recollect some of what happened more than ten years ago . more than ten years ago. >> okay. theo chikomba, thank you for joining >> okay. theo chikomba, thank

you forjoining us >> okay. theo chikomba, thank you for joining us from that >> okay. theo chikomba, thank you forjoining us from that in you for joining us from that in quiry. i'm joined now in the studio by our political correspondent, catherine forcer. catherine, every single day this gets worse and worse and worse for the post office being accused of behaving like mafia gangsters. i put that to lord james arbuthnot earlier. who was the politician who started the cross—party inquiry and strove for justice. he said that was spot on. >> yes , yes, um. lord james >> yes, yes, um. lord james arbuthnot , i think one of the arbuthnot, i think one of the few politicians to emerge really very, very well indeed from this he supported his constituents. he fought for them for many years. and finally we're seeing the results. but it a picture of a massive failure of the state, really, isn't it going back many, many years, the post office is owned by the government. this faulty fujitsu horizon system . and what ever horizon system. and whatever happened to innocent till proven guilty because these innocent postmasters were presumed by the post office, it seems, and by

the legal experts to be guilty because they couldn't prove that they were innocent, because simply they weren't believed. fujitsu said. no, nobody else has access. they believe the computer over and over again, over the individual people. it's absolute appalling. but i'm afraid, you know, we see these sorts of failures . this is not a sorts of failures. this is not a one off, is it? we've seen it with hillsborough. we've seen it with hillsborough. we've seen it with the tainted blood . we see with the tainted blood. we see it with grenfell, where all ordinary people just trying to do the best can get treated do the best they can get treated absolutely atrociously. >> catherine in no small >> and catherine in no small part, this is bonus culture astonishing . 40% of the losses astonishing. 40% of the losses were offered to all security team personnel at the post office if they recovered that money. a huge financial incentive to try and prove guilt even when there was none. >> absolutely . and of course, it >> absolutely. and of course, it was first reported these issues with this horizon system back in 2009. and yet the post office continued pressing , shooting

continued pressing, shooting people till the middle of the 2010. so it went on for years. years after concerns were raised and some i mean, alan bates, who's pretty much spearheaded this whole campaign , he first this whole campaign, he first had problems back in the year 2000. so he has been fighting this for nearly a quarter of a century. finally, of course, the government suddenly rushing through legislation to quash these hundreds of convictions for finally saying that they want compensation paid by the end of summer of obviously, that's to be welcomed. but my goodness, the fact that it took an itv drama to finally inject some speed into terrible wrongs that have been done to people. >> okay, okay, catherine, thank you very much for that. and i'm joined now by the conservative mp for lichfield, sir michael fabricant, sir michael, thank you joining us the show. you for joining us on the show. so we there loud and clear so we heard there loud and clear at the inquiry. the post office are being accused of acting like mafia gangs as well. >> it reminds me more like some

of the people at the end of the second world war who said we were only obeying orders . i were only obeying orders. i mean, it's extraordinary the evidence given by stephen bradshaw today . uh, you know, he bradshaw today. uh, you know, he signed a document which said that he had absolute confidence in the software . in the software. >> and that statement by him was used time and time again against different postmasters and mistresses. >> uh, in claims against them. >> uh, in claims against them. >> but but then he admits today he has no knowledge whatsoever of the horizon system , how it of the horizon system, how it works and he was simply being told to say that by the lawyers employed at great expense by the post office. >> and sir michael, post office. >> and sir michael , the next >> and sir michael, the next question rishi sunak yesterday was saying compensation is a priority. you know , amen to priority. you know, amen to that. but where will the buck stop? the fact of the matter is, the british taxpayer surely shouldn't have to stump up the bill. £24 billion for jitsu

shouldn't have to stump up the bill. £24 billion forjitsu is worth . in fact, over the past worth. in fact, over the past decade alone, it's been awarded yet more contracts by the government. 200 of them to the value of £6.7 billion. they've got deep pockets. surely they should pay this bill. >> well, i tend to agree with you. >> i mean, don't forget, by the way, this inquiry has been going for on over a year. so as good as the itv programme was , there as the itv programme was, there has been action by the government . government. >> in the meantime. >> in the meantime. >> uh , it started in february >> uh, it started in february 21st and it'll almost be a year actually, since the inquiry has been running. >> but yes, you're absolutely right about fujitsu . right about fujitsu. >> and i've tabled a parliamentary question to the cabinet office, an oral question asking what discussions he's having with secretaries of state, some government department about future fujitsu contracts, which the government does have, and existing fujitsu contracts. it's not just a question of punishing fujitsu , question of punishing fujitsu, but also ensuring that the systems which are being used by

the house of commons are not the house of commons by the government. that is going to be more accurate and more reliable than that used by the post office . but this has been office. but this has been a complete tragedy when you think you know, it's not just that. >> i would say it's not just a job, it's a vocation. >> wants to be a postmaster and postmaster . ps you're a >> wants to be a postmaster and postmaster. ps you're a part of the community. often you've got a little shop, too, and you're held up by the community as being a real part of the village life. and then to have this sort of accusation made against you, when it turns out to be untrue and the reputation and damage which has gone on for years, this is not british justice, but that raises another question, by the way, there are lots of prosecutions which are made not by the government like by local councils , for example, by the councils, for example, by the environment agency. and as we have seen by the post office .

have seen by the post office. but here's the thing . it's the but here's the thing. it's the director of public prosecutions who has the power to stop these these inquiries where was keir starmer? he knew at the time, or should have known that there were grave doubts as to the veracity of these post office prosecutions. why didn't he get the directorate of public prosecutions to intervene? >> well, sir michael, that's that's a point. but no, no political party has come out of this particular smelling of roses as i said, a lot of this has been happening on concert watch, two over 200 contracts have been given out since it was made , made clear that fujitsu made, made clear that fujitsu were at fault . ed davey of were at fault. ed davey of course, lib dems, he hasn't come out of this looking too good ehhen out of this looking too good either. but i'd like to move on if could, to rwanda. um, once if i could, to rwanda. um, once again, rumours of a rebellion up to 30 right wing tory mps, the five families want rwanda beefed up.and five families want rwanda beefed up. and of course, the one nafion up. and of course, the one nation conservatives say absolutely nothing of the sort

shall be allowed to happen. so new year , same old problems on new year, same old problems on rwanda for the conservatives as well. >> i wouldn't say right wing because i've signed the amendment as well. >> so i'm saying yes, we should be fit up because there's nothing worse than having legislation that might not work. >> now the government says it will work, and i hope they're absolutely right. and i hope we do get to see illegal, uh, image warrants coming into the uk because don't forget, there are plenty of legal ways of coming into the uk. if you're a genuine asylum seeker . into the uk. if you're a genuine asylum seeker. but if you're one of these young men who comes across, i want to see them being sent off, uh, to uganda, rwanda, rather, so that their immigration can be processed there. and not an expensive hotel. so, yeah , i've actually hotel. so, yeah, i've actually joined in. it's more than 30, i think, but i wouldn't say that we're right wing. we just want the, uh, legislation to work . the, uh, legislation to work. >> but surely, sir michael, if you beef up the legislation, as we saw with brexit, it just won't get through the lords. it

won't get through the lords. it won't get through the lords. it won't get through the courts. it will in the barbed will get mired in the barbed wire. nothing will ever happen. we a single flight wire. nothing will ever happen. we so a single flight wire. nothing will ever happen. we so do a single flight wire. nothing will ever happen. we so do you single flight wire. nothing will ever happen. we so do you thinkle flight wire. nothing will ever happen. we so do you think inflight wire. nothing will ever happen. we so do you think infligiend, off. so do you think in the end, like brexit, all end up like brexit, you'll all end up having compromise having to compromise through gritted did get gritted teeth? well we did get we out the end, as we did get out in the end, as you know. you well know. >> and, you're no longer an >> and, uh, you're no longer an mep as a consequence. but i suspect you're very happy about that one, martin. >> but you know , the point of >> but you know, the point of the story is that you know , i the story is that you know, i just want legislation to work. >> and yes, you are right to identify the difficulties, not just in the house of lords, but also in the house of commons and this is one of the problems that is actually facing, um , now, is actually facing, um, now, here's an interesting thing. i've never had this before on. you'll just bear with me for a moment. someone seems to be trying to contact me on teams, and i've got rid of that. i apologise for that first time this has happened. um, where were we? uh, we were talking about rwanda and the fact. >> and the fact you look. you look on. agree on it. yeah exactly. >> and you've got one nation,

which is another group, another family. what a name for it all. another family who don't think they want to see it through . but they want to see it through. but you we got through you know what? we got through brexit in the end. and i'm pretty sure we'll get through this in end. tell you one this in the end. tell you one thing though, whether it's amended i will vote for amended or not, i will vote for third reading because i'd rather have legislation ocean than have the legislation ocean than not at all. and i hope not have it at all. and i hope the government is right . i hope the government is right. i hope the government is right. i hope the government's right that it doesn't need amending one way or another, they will get another, and that they will get flights certainly rishi flights off. certainly rishi sunak reputation is sunak is knows his reputation is on the line on this one. >> yeah. and perhaps your entire party's so michael fabricant, conservative mp for litchfield , conservative mp for litchfield, thank you very much for joining us gb now we'll have us on gb news. now we'll have lots more post office lots more on the post office scandal at 5:00. and there's plenty of coverage on our website gbnews.com. you've website gbnews.com. and you've helped to make that the fastest growing national news website in the so thank you very the country. so thank you very much. there are renewed much. now there are renewed fears that inflation could start rising again after more conflict in the middle east. i'm martin

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>> gb news is britain's election . channel >> welcome back. >> welcome back. >> it's 425. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news. later this hour we'll have a major update on a story we've been covering since last week. and that's this the luxury block flats hampshire that block of flats in hampshire that have for migrant have been earmarked for migrant accommodation . we've got some accommodation. we've got some exclusive video from inside their now moving on uk maritime sources earlier reports said that a us oil tanker by the coast of oman and close to the straits of hormuz has been hijacked by armed individuals and changed its course to iran , and changed its course to iran, and changed its course to iran, a move which could see large spikes in the costs of oil and thousands of kilometres away in the red sea attacks on cargo ships by houthi rebels continue to impact shipping there, with bank of england governor andrew

bailey saying further. global shocks are a major threat to the uk economy . now joining me now uk economy. now joining me now to discuss this in the studio is liam halligan gb news, business and economics editor with on the money . liam, always a pleasure money. liam, always a pleasure to have you in the studio. this is something you have been predicting since october 7 and now it's happened . now it's happened. >> well, in fairness, martin, you and i have been discussing it in these afternoon shows for quite a while, haven't we? since since the late autumn. really? ever since had that ever since you had that horrendous attack by hamas on israel and israel's , um, israel and israel's, um, reciprocal attack on on the gaza strip? i have been worried and been writing and broadcasting about the possibility of what i've been calling geopolitical whizz bangs, and this is a major geo political whiz bang. um i'm really glad that in the introduction there you distinguish between the red sea and the straits of hormuz. a lot of broadcast journalists on rival channels have managed to

do that. i must say. rival channels have managed to do that. i must say . so we have do that. i must say. so we have been seeing attacks in the red sea, red sea leads to the sea, the red sea leads to the suez canal , which sea, the red sea leads to the suez canal, which is sea, the red sea leads to the suez canal , which is basically suez canal, which is basically the link between , um, uh, the the link between, um, uh, the middle east and the med and european markets . what we've got european markets. what we've got on the screen now is the persian gulf, the straits of hormuz . gulf, the straits of hormuz. this is the energy pinch point of the world. why it because of the world. why is it because each day, about 10% of the world's oil flows go through the red sea and the suez canal. but about 25% of the world's oil flows go through what we can see on our screen that pinch point thatis on our screen that pinch point that is that is the wind pipe of the world economy, right there. because you have oil and gas coming out of the persian gulf. lng gas coming from qatar, a major exporter for oil and gas coming out of the persian gulf, a quarter of the world's crude oil. and now what we're seeing , oil. and now what we're seeing, martin, rather than what we've been seeing in recent months, which is iranian proxies , i.e. which is iranian proxies, i.e. houthi rebels backed by iranian money. so spooking oil tankers

going through the suez canal or approaching the suez canal via the red sea using drones. what we now have is an iranian proxy. it seems to be, you know, iranian troops themselves , not iranian troops themselves, not just using drones, but actually hijacking a us registered vessel. >> and that's a huge difference, which is a big escalation in because it's not just about iran directly. >> we believe, but it's in the straits of hormuz, which is 25% of the world's oil. if that gets blocked, if commercial freight refuses now to go through there , refuses now to go through there, which it might, because it won't be insurable , rather than the be insurable, rather than the 10% of the world's oil that goes through the red sea and the suez canal. thanks for letting me explain that. it's really , explain that. it's really, really important distinction. >> now, the next key issue, of course, this is going to have a global impact. and specifically it's going to be dragged into the british economy. we saw andrew bailey there saying this is reinflate inflation. is going to reinflate inflation. you've been saying that again

for long time . what's for a long time. what's happening now with oil prices . right. >> okay. i'm not going to be alarmist here. um, it may have a global impact. it depends . it global impact. it depends. it depends how the western world responds. it responds the us has a major strategic petroleum reserve. now that strategic you know, basically oil is stored in in salt mines. you know, in the south of the united states , um, south of the united states, um, the, the strategic petroleum reserve that the us can dip into and flood global markets with oil, with oil at times of geopolitical angst and fear about middle eastern supplies. they in that sense , can try and they in that sense, can try and damp down oil prices . and i damp down oil prices. and i don't know for sure, but i would bet serious money that that is now is now what's happening. because we have seen the oil price jump up 3 or 4% today. we have yeah. this is have. yeah. but given this is the of hormuz, given the straits of hormuz, given that this is first time in that this is the first time in decades that freight has been threatened in the straits of hormuz, the last time was during the iran—iraq war , back in the

the iran—iraq war, back in the early 80s, when we were when we were kids. given that kind of geopolitical fear for the fact that the oil price has only jumped up , 3 that the oil price has only jumped up, 3 or 4% is actually quite moderate, i thought it would be more so. i do think the us will be using strategic us will be using its strategic strategic reserves, strategic petroleum reserves, but finite resources. but they're finite resources. >> they are finite resources. >> they are finite resources. >> what stake here. >> look what is at stake here. why bloke on the telly why is this bloke on the telly waving his and going on waving his arms and going on about straits of hormuz and waving his arms and going on abo suez straits of hormuz and waving his arms and going on abo suez canalts of hormuz and waving his arms and going on abo suez canal and hormuz and waving his arms and going on abo suez canal and strategicand the suez canal and strategic petroleum reserves , because oil petroleum reserves, because oil is in our economy, we is everywhere in our economy, we still rely on oil and gas in this country and our dependency is relatively low for 75% of our energy needs. if you take electricity generation and transport, if we see a spike in the price of oil, as sure as eggs are eggs , the petrol price eggs are eggs, the petrol price will go up significantly. that petrol price that diesel price feeds into everything, not just us. when we go to the station on the forecourt and fill up our cars and vans mark dolan we buy transport, food production , you

transport, food production, you know, restaurants, everything , know, restaurants, everything, nothing. bench inflation is basically benchmarked from the price of oil and gas. they're very closely related. and my concern is and it is just a concern, i'm not saying it's going to happen. i'm saying there's now a danger with this new geopolitical escalation. my concern is that the price of petrol and diesel could spike unless the western world basically gets hold of this situation and tries to push back . that would lead to a reversal in this fall. inflation that we've seen that would lead to a reversal of the idea that interest rates are coming down in, and that martin would reignite the cost of living crisis and completely and utterly upend old british politics. >> liam halligan once again bang on. excellent analysis. thank you very much for joining us on. excellent analysis. thank you very much forjoining us and you very much for joining us and bringing us up to speed. superb now there's lots more still to come now and 5:00 and a come between now and 5:00 and a couple of minutes. tell you couple of minutes. i'll tell you why. brexiteer conservatives aren't happy the government aren't happy with the government again . but first, here's your again. but first, here's your latest headlines polly latest news headlines with polly

middlehurst . thank you. middlehurst. thank you. >> the headlines this hour in the united states, protesters have been calling for donald trump to be jailed as closing arguments are heard new arguments are heard in his new york civil fraud trial. if you're watching on tv, a warning there are flashing images coming up.the there are flashing images coming up. the state is seeking nearly $350 million in penalties after the trump organisation was found to have inflated its net worth to have inflated its net worth to banks. speaking outside the courtroom, mr trump accused the white house of election interference. the government wants all post office scandal victims to receive compensation payments by the summer. after confirming at least £1 billion has been set aside to pay them. a post office investigator who examined the issues at the time has been giving evidence at today's post office inquiry and defended the comments he made back in 2012 that he had absolute confidence in the horizon. it system and was never told of any software faults . the told of any software faults. the conservative party faces two

by—election challenges next month in northamptonshire and greater manchester. peter bone lost his wellingborough seat after a parliamentary investigation found he'd committed acts of bullying and sexual misconduct , findings he sexual misconduct, findings he rejected and chris skidmore. skidmore rather resigned from his kingswood seat over his opposition to the government's green policies. he now says he won't support the tories . those won't support the tories. those are the headlines. background detail on all those stories by heading to our website, gb news dot com . dot com. >> thank you polly. now let's bnng >> thank you polly. now let's bring you a big story and tell you why brexiteer conservatives aren't happy with the government. again aiden because gb news can reveal that only a fraction of retained eu legislation was abolished by the end of last year. now, if you remember, that was a key brexit promise . no rule from brussels. promise. no rule from brussels. i'm joined now by our political

editor , christopher hope, in our editor, christopher hope, in our studio in westminster. chris, this is another example that did we actually get brexit done? well, that's right. >> now of course this idea of retained eu law, the idea had been to wipe this needless eu red tape. brexiteers tell us about red tape and why they're concerned about it off the statute book. the government thought there might be 4000 eu laws. they've disclosed in parliament this week, and we're revealing it today on our website at gb news. 5020 pieces of eu legislation action that's now being written into eu law. of that number, just 700 measures have been axed . now, measures have been axed. now, a year ago, the prime minister rishi sunak, said made very clear he wanted to see as many as 4000 laws abolished by the end of december. as 4000 laws abolished by the end of december . the idea, then end of december. the idea, then a jacob rees—mogg said, was that all eu laws would disappear from the statute book unless they were needed to be needed to stay on on their um kemi badenoch came in and said it's not going to work. she's now the trade secretary, and she made clear

that, in fact, fewer than that can now. she's got her own can go now. she's got her own her own way of doing it. she's been given a statement to go been given a statement out to go . made clear that she . she's made very clear that she feels , um, rather than feels that, um, rather than getting rid of all at once, getting rid of them all at once, let's piecemeal and make sure let's go piecemeal and make sure the rid of. the right ones are got rid of. but tory mps, they feel this but for tory mps, they feel this needs the attention of a single minister who can look at it clearly and it on and try clearly and take it on and try and tackle this problem and deliver on the idea of taking away eu red tape from an independent britain . independent britain. >> and i'm smiling because otherwise i'd cry because a lot of people, chris, will be, will be rightly, um, concerned that even a single eu law is still in place on sovereign british post—brexit land . and by my post—brexit land. and by my estimates , that's only about estimates, that's only about 17.5% of these laws have been given the hoof. the brussels laws, a vat amount that's a fail by any reckoning. >> it's not taking advantage of brexit and sovereignty . um, a brexit and sovereignty. um, a source close to kevin badenoch told gb news as cami said, it's

rather than a race towards an arbitrary deadline. she's very clear. the real prize of this retained eu law bill is to look again at regulations, to work out what we need and what we don't need, and she and kemi badenoch focussed on pushing badenoch is focussed on pushing forward and bearing down within whitehall on burdensome red tape. she she gets the idea tape. so she she gets the idea of red tape, but she's got a lot on. she's the business and trade secretary secretary. she's trying to forge new deals on with britain post—brexit in the world. so is this really what should we do as we doing as well? and this guy david jones, he's a deputy chairman of the erg , the european research erg, the european research group, he's he thinks it group, and he's he thinks it should be given a cabinet should be given to a cabinet office minister purely in charge of red tape. make it a of burning red tape. make it a priority for this government . priority for this government. >> talk burning. >> well, talk about burning. there's burning towards there's a fuse burning towards a general what i'm general election. what i'm concerned about, and no doubt a lot of people out there will be concerned about, is this leaving the for starmer to the cat flap open for starmer to row towards closer row back towards closer alignment? or if these don't get the labour get in. alignment? or if these don't get ththat's labour get in. alignment? or if these don't get ththat's what labour get in. alignment? or if these don't get ththat's what happens get in. alignment? or if these don't get ththat's what happens ,|et in. alignment? or if these don't get ththat's what happens , hein.

alignment? or if these don't get ththat's what happens , he won't if that's what happens, he won't get rid of these at all. get rid of these laws at all. and it just keeps the tendrils of brussels in our business. and it just keeps the tendrils of [thatels in our business. and it just keeps the tendrils of [that is. in our business. and it just keeps the tendrils of [that is the )ur business. and it just keeps the tendrils of [that is the worry. ;iness. and it just keeps the tendrils of [that is the worry. now,. and it just keeps the tendrils of [that is the worry. now, of >> that is the worry. now, of course, we, uh, keir starmer has made very we're made very clear we're not rejoining european union. made very clear we're not reche|g european union. made very clear we're not reche don't european union. made very clear we're not reche don't neediean union. made very clear we're not reche don't need to.1 union. >> we don't need to. >> we don't need to. >> ruling. >> we're still ruling. >> we're still ruling. >> we're still ruling. >> we finish. we're not read dunng >> we finish. we're not read during the european union if a labour gets in power, they want to work closely on some to work more closely on some areas like um veterinary areas , areas like um veterinary areas, areas like um veterinary areas, areas where we can work closer with our biggest neighbour. but the tory right wing, the brexiteers, are very worried that by allowing this eu legislation to stay in our statute book, it's easier if we want to get back into bed with the europe in a closer way. and they like it. they don't like it. >> and bet they don't. >> yeah. and i bet they don't. and of voters, think and a lot of voters, i think will astonished. know , to will be astonished. you know, to learn still ongoing learn that this is still ongoing . we did have deadline for . we did have a deadline for this . it was . we did have a deadline for this. it was in 2016. how on earth in the name of sweet baby jesus , i'm sorry, seven years jesus, i'm sorry, seven years later, can this still be still crying about this seven years later? >> a long time? it's a tiring entire secondary school period for many children. why on earth

is happening? i don't really know, but they there have been, of course, a lot of issues on the of the government. of course, a lot of issues on the forget the government. of course, a lot of issues on the forget there's/ernment. of course, a lot of issues on the forget there's been ent. of course, a lot of issues on the forget there's been the don't forget there's been the covid pandemic that's absorbed a lot bandwidth the lot of bandwidth for the government. also other government. and also other issues for with the with issues too, for with the with the ukraine. so big the war in ukraine. so big issues, governments full of priorities for the tory right. this priority . but and this is a priority. but and became embedded not understands that but she doesn't want to throw the baby out with the bath water. >> are the tories going to revolt on again? moving revolt on rwanda again? moving swiftly on to that. that's the talk this today. the five talk about this today. the five families, the, the 30 or families, the, the, the 30 or more, michael fabricant said . more, michael fabricant said. they are trying to beef it up, but they've got no hope of that, of that getting through against the nation. the one nation. >> well, richard sunak, the prime told in prime minister, told voters in accrington on monday he wants bright ideas. these ideas have been by sir bill cash, been tabled by sir bill cash, the muscular godfather of brexit. the brexiteer plus robert jenrick, the former immigration minister meeting . immigration minister meeting. these are probably on going this this weekend is a huge weekend for this. the debate in the commons is next tuesday and wednesday and that's when we'll

hear measures hear whether which measures might by the might be taken forward by the government . 45 tory mps now government. 45 tory mps now support some of these amendments. that's enough to defeat the government. um, there's risk risk attached here. the tory number 10 would say whether in my place they'd be saying, well, don't risk chucking, entire bill chucking, losing the entire bill on the grounds, trying to make a perfect of legislation. why perfect bit of legislation. why not and what not make this work and see what works? and others works? but jenrick and others say what have here say, well, what we have here won't work. so rather than having a faulty legislation, let's do it properly. >> that again brings us back >> and that again brings us back to brexit. there are huge echoes on puffing up on there of kind of puffing up our the on the tory our chests on the on the tory right, as you might say, but they anyway in they voted it through anyway in a way and the a watered down way and the remainer just smiled remainer tories just smiled through gritted teeth about getting brexit done. is like getting brexit done. is it like that again ? they'll have that again? they'll have a squabble, really they have squabble, but really they have to this through. if they to get this through. if they vote for if they're going to be turkeys on turkeys voting for christmas on their rwanda bill, they're finished. >> well, the choice the party has is if they get rwanda, has got is if they get rwanda, but the baranda measure right. if it starts to break the model of the people smugglers that way

is the wind at the election. that's what they're facing . that's what they're facing. that's what they're facing. that's that's what's the number 10 will be saying right now to these, rebels. but they these, these rebels. but they want it right. and the want to get it right. and the question is who is right? we'll find week. question is who is right? we'll fin(well, week. question is who is right? we'll fin(well, i week. question is who is right? we'll fin(well, i don'tek. they >> well, i don't know if they know right. right from know left from right. right from wrong always wrong chris. so always a pleasure never chore. now pleasure, never a chore. now let's move on to a story we've been covering closely this been covering very closely this past news and past week on gb news and yesterday revealed that yesterday we revealed that a plan to house over 300 asylum seekers in a block of luxury flats in farnborough had been temporarily, quote, put paused after a huge backlash from locals and, quote, extensive media coverage. according to the local mp. happy to be of service . that'd be gb news shining a light on this. both nigel farage and myself have been shining a light on this. and myself have been shining a light on this . but get this light on this. but get this delivery vans have miraculously turned up outside the apartments. that's a photograph sent to me by a local . does that sent to me by a local. does that to you look like a pause development, or does it look

like stuff being moved in while politicians say it's pause? well, we can add some more information to that, because look at this . we've got an look at this. we've got an exclusive video of footage, the fitouts of the flat is anything but paused . now, this video, but paused. now, this video, taken by a tradesman who's working on that job and sent directly to me , shows work is directly to me, shows work is carry on, carrying on at a pace and to talk you through it. here he told me every single thing in these flats is brand spanking new. the leather sofas are luxurious , the tableware is luxurious, the tableware is beautiful , fresh sheets, single beautiful, fresh sheets, single beds throughout. you will note single beds, local politicians told us that this was going to be kitted out for families . if be kitted out for families. if it's being kitted out for families , why is the entire families, why is the entire blocks filled with single beds now? we also got more photos through because they put up bright lights. this is the photograph taken at night time.

believe it or not, directly opposite the blocks colditz style lights have been put on the perimeter. a guard told our man for the security of the people living there, what about the people who live opposite their children can't sleep at night ? it's like trying to get night? it's like trying to get to sleep opposite wembley stadium . look at it. would you stadium. look at it. would you want to opposite that? the want to live opposite that? the answer no. and as for this answer is no. and as for this being paused, the locals don't necessarily believe the politicians saying this, and they may have some justification for doing so. and as a consequence, there is a protest against this being carried out in farnborough by locals on saturday, including those have been contacting us at gb news. they're going to keep up the pressure because they don't think this is the right place for it. they're not nimbys, they're being accused of being nimbys. directly nimbys. this is directly opposite huge technical opposite a huge technical college with 8000 students, teenagers . it's the wrong place, teenagers. it's the wrong place, the wrong town . that's what the the wrong town. that's what the locals think they want it gone. the are paying lip the politicians are paying lip service to james. cleverly has

pressed pause button. do pressed the pause button. but do we believe them or trust them? or should we keep up the pressure ? well, you probably pressure? well, you probably guess what i think and you'll guess what i think and you'll guess what i think and you'll guess what the locals think about to the about this now. we spoke to the home this, and home office about this, and a spokesperson gave us this statement . the home office statement. the home office continually reviews the appropriateness of different sites for use as asylum accommodation . we have always accommodation. we have always been upfront about the unprecedented pressure being put on our asylum system, brought about by a significant increase in dangerous and illegal journeys into the country over recent years, and we continue to work across government and with local authorities to identify a range of accommodation options to reduce the unacceptable use of hotels, which costs £8 million a day. the government remains committed to engaging with local authorities and key stakeholders as part of this process . yes, moving on. sadiq process. yes, moving on. sadiq khan has told to us take fewer flies, but it looks like he doesn't listen to his own advice. 8000 miles the mayor of london has racked up 80,000

miles. even i'm in the last yeah miles. even i'm in the last year. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news is . news is. >> welcome back . 447 you're >> welcome back. 447 you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news now. 5:00 we'll have dramatic developments in that post office scandal as our investigators are accused of behaving like mafia gangsters.

now yesterday i brought you news that sadiq khan had turned london into the slowest city in the world by introducing 20 mile an hour speed limits of course, one reason that the mayor of london gives for that policy is that it causes it cuts air pollution. however it's now emerged that khan and his team racked up more than 80,000 air miles last year to discuss this, i'm now joined by gb news. com's political editor milly cooke. milly 80,000 miles. the mayor's got more air miles and richard branson. how do you find this out? so it's actually publicly available data. >> just looking at the trips that him and his team have been taking and also expenses claims. so looked at different so we've looked at different expenses. the mayor has claimed for team . um, very much so. for his team. um, very much so. the mayor he's he's big the mayor he's he's a big environmental campaigner. he talks a lot about the planet, a lot of his policies are centred around the environment. is lot of his policies are centred a|trickythe environment. is lot of his policies are centred a|tricky oneznvironment. is lot of his policies are centred a|tricky one for ronment. is lot of his policies are centred a|tricky one for the nent. is lot of his policies are centred a|tricky one for the mayor. is lot of his policies are centred a|tricky one for the mayor. he is a tricky one for the mayor. he is justified it by arguing that he goes on these trips to promote agenda. so promote the climate agenda. so he's for change. promote the climate agenda. so he's going for change. promote the climate agenda. so he's going out for change. promote the climate agenda. so he's going out there,)r change. promote the climate agenda. so he's going out there, he'sange. he's going out there, he's talking planet.

talking about the planet. um, and also obviously bringing and he's also obviously bringing in business um, he's in business for london. um, he's also out former also pointed out that former mayor took 34 mayor boris johnson took 34 trips, while khan's only taken 11. however the mayor himself in the past has told brits to fly less, pointing out the impact of the aviation industry. so it is a sticky one for khan with his detractors pointing out accusing a sticky one for khan with his detr.ofors pointing out accusing a sticky one for khan with his detr.of virtue nting out accusing a sticky one for khan with his detr.of virtue signalling. ccusing a sticky one for khan with his detr.of virtue signalling. so sing a sticky one for khan with his detr.of virtue signalling. so we] him of virtue signalling. so we had conservatives had city hall conservatives environmental spokesperson saying that he's the ultimate virtue signaller and susan hall accusing him of taking glitzy trips a self—serving trips to promote a self—serving agenda.soit trips to promote a self—serving agenda. so it very much has caused a row between the conservatives and sadiq khan and his team. conservatives and sadiq khan and his yeah, and the that >> yeah, and the thing that people don't about all this people don't like about all this really hypocrisy . it's really is hypocrisy. it's telling you to do one thing and doing another. the same doing another. he's the same with his grand land with his with his 300 grand land rover used to have. um, rover that he used to have. um, and that's it comes and i think that's what it comes down to. yeah. mayors should travel. should promote travel. they should promote the city. via zoom. city. why can't do it via zoom. >> is actually the question >> that is actually the question that a lot that i've heard quite a lot today. yeah. and i think the i think the real point just how think the real point is just how much the environment much he promotes the environment and why isn't he staying at home

and why isn't he staying at home and doing it there. obviously the mayor would argue that he needs to make those connections. he promote london, but needs to make those connections. h> and also emily, of course he was cut price air tickets was taking cut price air tickets on that trip to new york. that's a story. you a separate story. thank you very much, gb much, millie cooke, gb news. com's political for com's political editor for that con sting . now to some sad news. con sting. now to some sad news. and the former england manager sven—goran eriksson has been diagnosed with terminal cancer. and in a best case scenario, only has around a year left to live . now, eriksson was in live. now, eriksson was in charge of england between 2001 and 2006, and he led england the three lions to the quarter finals of the world cup in 2002 and 2006, and also, of course , and 2006, and also, of course, into the last eight of euro 2004. and i'm joined now by sports broadcaster chris scudden sports broadcaster chris scudder. chris, welcome to the show . always a pleasure. you show. always a pleasure. you know, i worked on sports stats for years. scudders during the,

um, sven—goran eriksson years and nobody had a bad word to say about the guy . about the guy. >> yeah, very well liked. >> yeah, very well liked. >> very interesting today . >> very interesting today. >> very interesting today. >> mortality kind of hits you on days like this, does it when you hear someone's only got a year to live? >> it's. >> it's. >> it's. >> it's a very sad day. um, yeah. >> the players liked him. everyone liked him. >> really? a man who was on the front much as was front pages as much as he was on the back pages with his colourful personal life and the way he eventually exited the engush way he eventually exited the english football after the news of the world sting, he was that kind of character, great personality, but to me, you know, martin, it was he kind of broke the mould, really, for the way coach his were with their players. >> you know, gone were the days of sir alex ferguson and the hairdryer and shouting and screaming and throwing teacups around the changing room . around the changing room. >> this was a man who spoke very quietly. and players used to quietly. and the players used to say, know, sometimes he was say, you know, sometimes he was barely whisper, had barely a whisper, but he had that that that kind of effect, that calming the players. calming effect on the players. arsene was similar. arsene wenger was similar. >> maybe not quiet as sven,

>> maybe not as quiet as sven, uh, it kind of and uh, but it kind of worked. and he a great record, you know. he had a great record, you know. and england. yeah, the nearly man. suppose the man. but i suppose from the sporting he'll be remembered. >> um , eventually, as know, >> um, eventually, as you know, the man quarter finals, the nearly man quarter finals, quarter finals , quarter finals, quarter finals, quarter finals, penalty shootouts, which was a real shame. >> a lot of england fans, though, will be grateful for one magnificent memory that five one in munich . um, that i will take in munich. um, that i will take that to my grave. sven was the gaffer. and look , it was also a gaffer. and look, it was also a huge deal when sven came in as the first foreign manager of england , a swede. but the england, a swede. but the british public took to sven very, very quickly . very, very quickly. >> they did? yeah i mean it's got away from that, that foreign root. now after the capello disaster in 2010. but, you know, i was in munich, i was standing right behind the net when england bashed in those goals. that was an incredible night and i'll always remember it. you know, always remember how calm know, i always remember how calm he game . there he was after that game. there was former journalist he was after that game. there was formerjournalist called was a former journalist called paul who the, uh, the paul newman who was the, uh, the comms guy at the time. i

remember sven sort of walking towards the media conference after that game and going, paul, paul after that game and going, paul, paul, do we go? after that game and going, paul, palso do we go? after that game and going, paul, palso quiet, do we go? after that game and going, paul, palso quiet, youio we go? after that game and going, paul, palso quiet, you know, go? after that game and going, paul, palso quiet, you know, but um, >> so quiet, you know, but um, but yeah , um, he, uh , he'll be but yeah, um, he, uh, he'll be remembered as, um , uh, as a man remembered as, um, uh, as a man who didn't quite deliver the only the downside, i would say, was that he did fall into the trap of trying to shoehorn in all of the golden generation into the same team, and it never worked, you know? and paul scholes has been asked about sven. >> why was he so , you know, how >> why was he so, you know, how why did he have that effect? and he said, um, he didn't know really. but, uh , sadly. really. but, uh, sadly. >> and he was one of the players that that left the england team because he, you know, the way he tried to cram everybody in, i know, you know, it's he said that england was that the england job was something couldn't turn down. something he couldn't turn down. >> the league italy >> he'd won the league in italy with >> he'd won the league in italy witium but you know i think you >> um but you know i think you know, it was such a, it's an impossible job. we all know that. >> i mean, as gareth southgate now, ironically, remember the

great , we needed great quote, um, we needed churchill and we got ian duncan smith. that's what gareth southgate said about sven—goran eriksson when england were on their way out of the world cup in 2002 against brazil in shizuoka , i was there. shizuoka, i was there. i remember it well. so you know, and the same could have been said at the in the penalty shootout. so i remember being in gelsenkirchen germany when we gelsenkirchen in germany when we lost to portugal in the shootout. i'm afraid we have to leave it there. >> me i'm so sorry. simply because of time. sven. still with us? of course. for now. now we'll have much more on the post office after the office scandal. after this. the mafia they behave office scandal. after this. the mafii'm they behave office scandal. after this. the mafii'm martin they behave office scandal. after this. the mafii'm martin daubneyehave office scandal. after this. the mafii'm martin daubney onye office scandal. after this. the mafii'm martin daubney on gb like i'm martin daubney on gb news, news channel news, britain's news channel >> brighter outlook with boxt >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello , this is annie >> hello, this is annie shuttleworth with your latest gb news weather update from the met office. we'll see a milder and cloudier night for southern areas this evening, but in the north a different story, plenty

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>> good afternoon. it's 5 pm. welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. all across the uk, there's more dramatic developments in the post office scandal. one of the investigators has faced claims that they acted like mafia gangs , as jeremy corbyn was part of the south african delegation that accused israel of genocide and the international court of justice. today and as labour unveils plans for kids to be supervised while they brush their teeth at school , is this supervised while they brush their teeth at school, is this a taste of a nanny state under sir keir starmer ? that's all coming keir starmer? that's all coming up in this next hour. keir starmer? that's all coming up in this next hour . and as up in this next hour. and as usual, i'd like to hear from you. please email me your views at gb views gb news. com what do you reckon about this storm are

getting kids to brush their teeth in classroom rooms? is that interference or actually , that interference or actually, my mrs. is a teacher and so many kids have got rotten chompers . kids have got rotten chompers. is it a good idea? let me know your thoughts. vaiews@gbnews.com. but now it's time for your latest news headunes time for your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst i >> -- >> martin. thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb newsroom today is that the official inquiry into the post office scandal has been grilling a former investigator about what he did and didn't know regarding the faulty horizon it software . at faulty horizon it software. at the centre of the debacle. stephen bradshaw insisted he wasn't an expert on the system and defended comments he made back in 2012 that he had absolute confidence in the horizon. it software , while at horizon. it software, while at the same time admitting he did see hundreds of complaints coming in from subpostmasters. but he denied allegations of

bullying and unprofessional behaviour at the time , saying he behaviour at the time, saying he also never told any post office worker that they were the only one experiencing issues with the software . software. >> i'm not technically minded with that. >> i would expect that to come from the people above. if it was an issue , i would expect fujitsu an issue, i would expect fujitsu to inform the post office and the post office to let us know what what issues are . it was what what the issues are. it was given statement by given that statement by cartwright told to put cartwright king and told to put that statement through. in hindsight , that statement through. in hindsight, after a period in my previous statements , they previous statements, they probably have been probably should have been another that these another line stating that these are words, but this are not my words, but this statement is produced as a business statement . business statement. >> stephen bradshaw, former post office investigator now in the united states , protesters have united states, protesters have been calling for donald trump to been calling for donald trump to be jailed as closing arguments are heard in his new york civil fraud trial . if you're watching fraud trial. if you're watching on tv, flashing images coming up outside courthouse , people outside the courthouse, people held aloft showing the held signs aloft showing the former president behind bars.

the state is seeking nearly $350 million in penalties after the trump organisation was found to have inflated its net worth to banks. the judge also previously ruled that mr trump wouldn't be allowed to make his own statement in court, after he refused to agree limits on what could be said. but speaking outside the courtroom, mr trump accused the white house of election interference . election interference. >> he said it is an unconscious international witch hunt . international witch hunt. >> it's election interference at the highest level. it's a disgrace . it's in coordination disgrace. it's in coordination with the white house and joe biden because he can't win a campaign fairly and we're going through it. >> but it is indeed a terrible witch hunt. >> we're going to have a news conference a little bit later on. >> as you know, i want to speak. i want to make the summation. >> at this moment, the judge is not me make the not letting me make the summation i'll bring up summation because i'll bring up things that want to things that he doesn't want to heat things that he doesn't want to hear. and it's a very unfair trial. nobody's seen anything like trump now, iran has >> donald trump now, iran has admitted it has seized a us oil

tanker off the coast of oman owing to it, says a judicial order. that's according to state media. the uk's maritime trade operations authority received reports of armed intruders dressed in military style uniforms, boarding the vessel before they then lost contact. that comes after a royal navy destroyer , hms diamond, took out destroyer, hms diamond, took out 21 attack drones launched by houthi rebels in international shipping lanes in the region. the uk and us government had previously warned any escalation would result in retaliation . the would result in retaliation. the former labour leader, jeremy corbyn has joined south africa in accusing israel of live streaming genocide over its war on gaza, south africa has been making its case on the first day of hearings at the international criminal court in the hague. it comes as mr corbyn publicly described hamas as a terrorist group, but accused the israeli army of being guilty of acts of terror . two israel's president terror. two israel's president called the case preposterous, while south africa's justice

minister ronald lamola , pleaded minister ronald lamola, pleaded for the conflict to end . for the conflict to end. >> our government has approached the international court of justice to prevent the unfolding genocide in gaza. we have also asked for provisional measures which include an immediate suspension of israel's military operations in and against gaza. the commitment to justice and bnng the commitment to justice and bring an end to the humanitarian atrocities in palestine resonate deeply with the collective consciousness of the global community. the scale of these actions is reminiscent of the rwandan genocide 30 years ago . rwandan genocide 30 years ago. here at home in northamptonshire, the wellingborough by—election will be held on the 15th of february. >> it's the first date to be announced of two by—election challenges faced the challenges faced by the conservatives month . peter conservatives next month. peter bowen lost his wellingborough seat a parliamentary seat after a parliamentary investigation found he'd committed acts of bullying and sexual misconduct, the findings of he rejected, and former of which he rejected, and former minister chris skidmore resigned from his kingswood seat in south

gloucestershire over his opposition to the government's environmental policies. he now says he won't support the tories . a veteran labour mp says he's suffering from leukaemia . sir suffering from leukaemia. sir tony lloyd has represented his rochdale constituency in greater . manchester since 2017, and has been an mp since 1983. he had been an mp since 1983. he had been receiving chemotherapy, but it's transformed now into leukaemia . the 73 year old has leukaemia. the 73 year old has asked for privacy for himself and his family, but also said his office will remain open to continue to support his constituency . the princess royal constituency. the princess royal has visited a buddhist temple on her second day of engagements in sri lanka. it's part of princess anne's visit to mark 75 years of diplomacy with britain . the diplomacy with britain. the temple of the sacred tooth relic is the most significant buddhist temple in the country today. princess anne also travelled to the north of the country to meet communities there, as well as meeting members of a charity working to remove munitions from former frontline areas of

conflict . here in the uk, former frontline areas of conflict. here in the uk, a disruptive arctic snow blast is described to be set to hit britain next week. the met office warning a northerly airflow will deliver extreme cold and snow showers from sunday. travel plans once again could be disrupted with the rac, the motoring organisation, warning drivers to prepare emergency kits with food, water and blankets in case of a breakdown . meanwhile, a cold breakdown. meanwhile, a cold health alert remains in force, warning of the severe weather's potential to have a significant impact on vulnerable people. that's the news on gb news across the uk . on tv, in your across the uk. on tv, in your car, on digital radio and on your smart speaker. this is britain's news channel . thank you. >> poorly. and there's only one place to start today, of course, and that's the latest dramatic developments in the post office scandal. the post office

investigator has denied claims that he and others behaved like mafia gangsters who were looking to collect bounty, with the threat and lies from sub postmasters. stephen bradshaw has been giving evidence to the honzon has been giving evidence to the horizon it inquiry, which resumed this morning, and we can cross now to gb news national reporter theo chikomba , who's reporter theo chikomba, who's been at the inquiry today to bnng been at the inquiry today to bring us up to speed . hi, theo. bring us up to speed. hi, theo. always a pleasure. so i believe proceedings just finished there a dramatic day. what was what was happening ? yes was happening? yes >> well, it's been a day of grilling for stephen bradshaw, who was part of the investigation team investigating . nine subpostmasters and sub post mistresses. now, today we've been going through some of his written evidence and he's been questioned about his character, how he conducted himself and his interaction with other colleagues. and in the last hour or so, it started heating up in that inquiry room

as he was asked direct questions by some of the legal representatives of dozens of subpostmasters and postmistresses who were convicted wrongly convict . and convicted wrongly convict. and now, in the last hour or so, we heard this. now, janet skinner, she's a subpostmaster and she was interviewed by bradshaw and diane matthews, his colleague , diane matthews, his colleague, and she made 116 calls to the national business support centre about horizon . and bradshaw says about horizon. and bradshaw says he was only there during the interview. but everything else was done by matthews and when skinner was cleared of any wrongdoing, the court of appeal said there was an extraordinary , said there was an extraordinary, extraordinary failure to investigate. the 116 calls which were made in a relatively short space of time, and he was asked this afternoon whether or not he looked into them and he said he didn't because the inquiry was mrs. matthews . that's his mrs. matthews. that's his colleagues now . skinner was colleagues now. skinner was persuaded by a lawyer to plead guilty to false two false

accounting in return for theft charges being dropped. she was advised this and she was told that she would not get a prison sentence if she did so, and in the end, she was sentenced to nine months in jail. the end, she was sentenced to nine months in jail . now he's nine months in jail. now he's been asked a whole range of questions today, and this is one of his responses . of his responses. >> i could make an announcement today saying that there will be two christmases this year, whether i'm able deliver it whether i'm able to deliver it is entirely different matter. is an entirely different matter. no, this is a national scandal. uh everyone is behind the postmasters because they are people of good character. pillars of our community who provide and provide aid, you know, vital public services . and know, vital public services. and people are utterly shocked that people are utterly shocked that people of such standing could be treated in such an appalling way by a company solely owned by our government . government. >> and just to clarify there, that was david enright. he's a legal representative for one of the subpostmasters who have been

here at the hearing . but as here at the hearing. but as we've heard today, the hearing will continue into tomorrow and next week, where we'll be heanng next week, where we'll be hearing from a fujitsu current and former members of staff. >> okay . thank you, theo >> okay. thank you, theo chikomba, for bringing us up to speed about the post office inquiry going on live today. i'm joined now in studio by our political correspondent, catherine forcer. kathy sin, it gets worse and worse every day. we know now that the post office is guilty . we know there have is guilty. we know there have been serious series six errors. two big questions. i have for you who should foot the bill and should some of these post office staff be put in jail? >> well , very staff be put in jail? >> well, very good questions in terms of who should foot the bill. >> i think to begin with, the prime minister's spokesman has made it clear today that the government wants these wrongly convicted and postmasters and the other group that took the post office to court in 2019 to get their compensation by the

end of the summer. so that's not far away. um, so i think in the short tum, certainly the government is going to have to foot the bill, which ultimately is so you and me , is the taxpayer. so you and me, um, but in the longer terme , um, but in the longer terme, alex chalk, the justice secretary, it very secretary, has made it very clear that if and when, as i think it's highly likely it's found at the end of this inquiry, that the post office and fujitsu are at fault , um, and fujitsu are at fault, um, that fujitsu , who potentially that fujitsu, who potentially should be footing the bill. after all, they are a hugely profitable multinational tech firm. japanese but based in bracknell. they have , from 2012 bracknell. they have, from 2012 onwards been given 200 government control points worth billions of pounds , almost billion. >> yeah, they , they the problem >> yeah, they, they the problem is they're really embedded in our sort of systems for instance, they supply the england's flood defence alerts by them and the horizon system

by them and the horizon system by them and the horizon system by the way, is still operating in in post offices even now. >> and that contract has been renewed to 2025. now they would have liked to have gone to amazon but it's proved too difficult. so the trouble is that although there's a lot of outrage, all this money is still being given to them. there's not that many companies that can actually it. so you would actually supply it. so you would think , wouldn't you, given all think, wouldn't you, given all that money that's going their way, when they're found way, if and when they're found to be culpable, surely we, the government could say, okay, well, you owe us £1 billion as has been earmarked for compensation. i think a lot of people will think that they why should the taxpayer be footing the bill? >> precisely. and a lot of people are getting touch with people are getting in touch with us and us today. catherine and yesterday, since this story broke since broke recently, at least since the out. anyway and the drama came out. anyway and they're what about the they're saying, what about the post office workers who prosecuted were by prosecuted they were employed by the to office deliberately the post to office deliberately try get guilt . found out 40% try and get guilt. found out 40% compensation schemes, bonus houses, the post office security

staff were offered if they successfully prosecuted against subpostmasters and mistresses. 40. that's many, many thousands of pounds and people are saying, what does justice look like for these people? if a postmaster is sent to jail, surely they should be similar retribution, similar similar outcomes for post office staff. >> so shocking. isn't it, that you know the postmasters that they were going after people that had often worked for the post office for decades, that were devoted to their jobs and to their communities, and yet the powers that be in the post office seemed very happy to go along with the going after them. hundreds of them, rather than investigating the claims that they were making for years and years and years. and bear in mind, it was reported in 2009, in computer weekly , there were in computer weekly, there were many reports of false problems with horizon system, yet the post office kept prosecuting people until the mid 2010s, and

paula vennells took that post office boss took that cbe in 2019, when it was widely known. but it really does feel like the big organisations and the big companies, the powers that be, will just close ranks and gang up on the ordinary people because they can and they think that they can get away with it. and we see it time and time again. i mean, this is one of many failures of state. we've had grenfell, we've had hillsborough, the tainted blood, you people treated you know, people treated atrociously and having to fight for decades and in many cases still waiting for any form of justice. >> okay. katherine forster, thank you for that excellent update. but now the day of reckoning has finally arrived. and earlier in the show, i was joined in the studio by lord james arbuthnot , and he led an james arbuthnot, and he led an mps campaign in support of subpostmasters and he told me why he got involved . it was why he got involved. it was a constituency issue which two sub postmasters raised with me together. >> uh , a man from odiham post

>> uh, a man from odiham post office, david bristow and jo hamilton from south warnborough and there wasn't much i felt i could do. i had a meeting with the post office along with another mp who was the mp for alan bates. there wasn't much i felt i could do because jo hamilton had pleaded guilty, so she obviously couldn't appeal. um, but then subsequently david bristow's replaced as subpostmaster in odiham was himself removed for exactly the same reasons. and i thought, this is absurd . this is clearly this is absurd. this is clearly not a coincidence . it is a not a coincidence. it is a systemic issue that we've got to deal with. so at that stage, having written previously to the minister and got a reply saying, sorry, it's an arms length organisation , not not us govt , organisation, not not us govt, don't don't trouble me with it . don't don't trouble me with it. uh, i then wrote again to the

minister, but i also wrote to all the mps to say do you have a similar sort of problem and a number of them came back and said, yes, we do . said, yes, we do. >> and so a pattern began to emerge. and at this point you set up a cross—party group to really set about getting your teeth trying to teeth into this and trying to get done. get justice done. >> and, uh , a couple of us >> yes. and, uh, a couple of us went to see the chairman and chief executive of the post office, both of them new in post. there was alice perkins , post. there was alice perkins, who was the chairman, and paula vennells , who was the new chief vennells, who was the new chief executive . and they really gave executive. and they really gave the impression that they wanted to clear it up. and they suggested the appointment of forensic accountants , second forensic accountants, second sight, to look into the matter . sight, to look into the matter. >> and that's lord balfe not who joined us in the studio earlier. and one of the instrumental figures pushing for justice for the subpostmasters. i'm joined now by heather wheeler, who's

the conservative mp for south derbyshire . welcome to gb news. derbyshire. welcome to gb news. heather always a pleasure. so the inquiry today concluded , um, the inquiry today concluded, um, that the post office acted like the mafia . they acted like the mafia. they acted like gangsters . what's your take on gangsters. what's your take on that ? that? >> well, this is just horrendous . and, um, i'm really pleased that this inquiry was set up about a year ago now by paul scully. >> um, excellent minister. >> um, excellent minister. >> before , um, it just getting >> before, um, it just getting to the real meat of it now and, uh , every day there is another uh, every day there is another scandalous, uh, expose of what's been going on. and thank goodness for james arbuthnot and other mps who had, um, post offices involved at the time. >> and had the topic of conversation now ultimately, obviously will turn to that compensation. rishi sunak announced yesterday at pmqs. we can all agree that's the right thing to do. rumours of £1 billion in potential costs . and billion in potential costs. and the big question is where does the big question is where does the buck stop? because i don't think the taxpayer will be very

happy have fork out happy if they have to fork out for this . for this. >> no. and of course, um, the post office is owned by all of us, isn't it? >> so even if the post office pays one way or another, we pay. but it is a profitable company and, um, if it's their responsibility, then with them, you can go back to fujitsu. >> of course you can. >>— >> of course you can. >> and i'm sure that, um, the people who will look at the original contract will will look at well. original contract will will look at there l. original contract will will look at there will be some amount >> and there will be some amount of professional negligence cover , so, uh, one way or , i'm sure. so, uh, one way or another, we will get that money back surely that's the back and surely that's the logical pursuit . logical pursuit. >> i mean, here's a company worth the thick end of a £24 billion. heather and indeed, over the last decade , um, the over the last decade, um, the conservative government has dished out another 200 public contracts worth the thick end of £7 billion. so they're not without a few quid. they've got deep pockets . this happened on deep pockets. this happened on their watch. surely they should be made to cough up. >> i sincerely hope so. >> i sincerely hope so. >> we do need to find where the,

um, the buck stops because . um, the buck stops because. >> because i imagine they will say that there were pilots run and that they handed over a perfectly serviceable contract. >> uh, product . and the royal >> uh, product. and the royal mail didn't come back to them. now, you know that sounds a tad flimsy to me , but we will see. flimsy to me, but we will see. >> i'm convinced that we believe, um, fujitsu , uh, at the believe, um, fujitsu, uh, at the inquiry next week. >> so i'm sure more will come out next week . out next week. >> and heather, of course , um, >> and heather, of course, um, justice was cruel. justice was served out for a lot of postmasters and postmistress who ended up going to jail having criminal convictions. would you like to see people jailed at this stage of the inquiry? people from the post office we heard today of a bonus um, structure. 40% of the money recovered by post office security staff was being dangled as bonuses to those who proved the guilt of postmasters. we now know there was no guilt. should there be prosecutions from that

side ? side? >> i find this difficult to deal with because without a doubt, there should be a proper process. um, as much as a knee jerk reaction is a good idea, i genuinely want the same. no not the same. i want better processes to find out whether these people should be prosecuted or not. um, you know , prosecuted or not. um, you know, they worked under the auspices of the, um , ethos of the company of the, um, ethos of the company at the time , and it's very at the time, and it's very difficult . hindsight is difficult. hindsight is a horrible, horrible thing. sometimes >> okay. heather wheeler, the conservative mp for south derbyshire, thank you very much for joining us on gb news now we forjoining us on gb news now we get lots more on that story on our website. and thanks to you. gbnews.com is the fastest growing national news website in the country. it's got breaking news and all of the brilliant analysis that you've come to expect from gb news so thank you very much helping make very much for helping to make that now the labour that happen. and now the labour leader, starmer, says leader, sir keir starmer, says

plans for supervised toothbrushing schools is not toothbrushing in schools is not nanny state politics. but is he right? i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's new

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reports it could go even higher. i'll be joined to a tory mp to ask is it time just to junk this project? once and for all? now israel has been taken to court by south africa, accused of genocide against palestinians and jeremy corbyn of all people , and jeremy corbyn of all people, has thrown his weight behind their case. corbyn was part of their case. corbyn was part of the south african delegation at the south african delegation at the international court of justice at the hague today, and viewers on gb news can see pictures of the former labour leader there. outside the courthouse. but is it corbyn's place to even be there in the first place? watch for me now to discuss this is former labour party mp stephen pound, stephen, always a pleasure. corbyn what on earth has this got to do with him ? him? >> well, to be honest, martin, what the hell has he got to do with south africa? south africa is not exactly a model of democratic probity and good governance . and have to say, governance. and i have to say, the people involved in seem the people involved in this seem to self publicising, to be self publicising, preening, virtue signalling

people who are simply making the situation worse. look, there are everybody throws up their hands in horror at what's happening in gaza and what happened on on october the 7th. we all agree the same thing. but the idea that honestly, if a court judgement in the hague is going to come through to tel aviv, it's going to come through to gaza hamas idf, the gaza and hamas and the idf, the israel defence force, are going to say, good lord, alive . the to say, good lord, alive. the hague we can't do this hague has said, we can't do this . committing . we're committing genocide. we're stop . we're going to have to stop. thatis we're going to have to stop. that is going to happen. the that is not going to happen. the second honesty, second thing is, in all honesty, look the definition of look at the definition of genocide . genocide defined genocide. genocide as defined after 1945 is race murder. it's the it's the murder of an entire race. nobody is suggesting that the israelis are seeking to slaughter every single palestinian or every single arab . it's ludicrous. it's ridiculous . look, the point is, ridiculous. look, the point is, what we should be doing is only one big player in this outside the outside the region. and that's america . and america has that's america. and america has to get involved more , and we to get involved more, and we have to be speaking through our

mps, our foreign mps, through our foreign secretary to america. but in the meantime , it's a lot more meantime, it's a lot more positive and a lot more productive and a lot more humane. we're supporting humane. if we're supporting medical palestine, medical aid for palestine, the red cross, crescent, and red cross, the red crescent, and doing what we can to support the victims the moment, instead victims at the moment, instead of ludicrous preening of this ludicrous preening posturing hague, posturing in the hague, which frankly, offensive . frankly, i find offensive. >> okay, steven, you've got your point across. well, no, no, that's precisely the sort of stuff that we love hearing on gb news. of course, jeremy corbyn would say he's been a long time campaigner the stop the war campaigner for the stop the war coalition although he coalition for peace, although he had difficulty calling hamas terrorists, but a lot terrorists, didn't he? but a lot of people have been saying this is something is about something else, potentially, about potentially, and it's about corbyn politically grandstanding, course , we grandstanding, of course, we have election coming have a general election coming up and there's been rumours about corbyn starting a new party or even standing as london mayor to try and damage the labour vote. do you think there might be some cynical people out there saying he's using the hague to boost his profile ahead of elections ? of elections? >> look, the reality is , i mean,

>> look, the reality is, i mean, you and i have known jeremy corbyn for many, years, corbyn for many, many years, maybe than you. maybe slightly longer than you. um, he's the permanent opposition. the man opposition. he's always the man on sidewalk on the side of on the sidewalk on the side of the shouting the the pitch, shouting at the players. he's never actually on the pitch playing, and the difficulty he difficulty is here. he needs a role. he certainly looking role. he is certainly looking for. stand for mayor of for. he won't stand for mayor of london. i'd very much london. i'd be very much surprised did. it'd surprised if he did. it'd be derisory if did . and i derisory vote if he did. and i equally, i don't think he'll win in islington if he stood as an independent. know, in islington if he stood as an indepenyout. know, in islington if he stood as an indepenyou know know, in islington if he stood as an indepenyou know there's a maybe, you know he there's a couple of other disaffected ex—labour mps who might support him but the real him on this one, but the real crux of this, the real core issue about all this is let's be grown up. let's be sensible about this. let's stop posturing and preening about the place and waving flags and thinking that, you through london you know, walking through london week after week is going make week after week is going to make a blind difference . a blind bit of difference. there's no on god's green there's no way on god's green earth going earth that hamas are going to sit good heavens, sit back and say, good heavens, you people are marching you know, people are marching down therefore down regent street. therefore we're to we're going to have to stop slaughtering no way the slaughtering people. no way the idf ditto. so idf will do the ditto. so i think jeremy corbyn's situation is a man in permanent is that as a man in permanent opposition, he would know

opposition, he would not know what to if he had his hands what to do if he had his hands on the lever of power and the fact that he's there in the hague, frankly, makes himself look ridiculous, hague, frankly, makes himself look ludicrous,|lous, hague, frankly, makes himself look ludicrous,|lousit slightly ludicrous, and it actually from the actually detracts from the important speaking to important thing is speaking to america and above all, supporting the poor, innocent , supporting the poor, innocent, starving, suffering victims who actually in gaza today . actually in gaza today. >> okay, stephen pound, an impassioned monologue. thank you very much. i've very much enjoyed that. listen you might say that he's irrelevant . he's say that he's irrelevant. he's always in opposition. but this this guy was almost in power in 2017. he was the labour leader in 2019. keir starmer backed him. and yesterday at pmqs in parliament, stephen, there was still a huge amount of conversation about palestine from the labour party. they still seem obsessed with that issue . stephen pound, thank you issue. stephen pound, thank you very much for joining issue. stephen pound, thank you very much forjoining us on the very much for joining us on the show. it's always a pleasure. now there's lots more still to come between now and 6:00. the uk government has set out plans for the biggest nuclear power expansion in 70 years. but how long will it take to get off the

ground? i'll be joined by a nuclear expert to discuss a long overdue change in our energy strategy . but first, your latest strategy. but first, your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> the top stories this hour. the official inquiry into the post office scandal has been grilling a former investigator about what he did and didn't know regarding the faulty honzon know regarding the faulty horizon it software . stephen horizon it software. stephen bradshaw defended comments he made back in 2012 that he had absolute confidence in horizon, while at the same time admitting that he did see hundreds of complaints coming in from subpostmasters. he denied allegations, though of bullying and unprofessional behaviour, saying he also never told any post office worker that they were the only one experiencing issues with the software . the issues with the software. the nhs is failing to hit most of its key performance targets , its key performance targets, despite the overall waiting list dropping more than 355,000 people in england have been waiting for over a year to start

hospital treatment. that was in november last year , and it's november last year, and it's down from more than 377,000 at the end of october. the health secretary says the waits would be lower if junior doctors could agree to a realistic pay settlement , agree to a realistic pay settlement, and agree to a realistic pay settlement , and the government's settlement, and the government's announced plans for a new major nuclear power station planned to be as big as both hinkley point and sizewell. it's in a bid to strengthen the uk's energy security and ultimately lower electricity bills . £300 million electricity bills. £300 million will also be invested in producing fuel to power the reactors, removing dependence on russian supplies . and iran has russian supplies. and iran has seized an oil tanker in the gulf of oman, raising fears of an escalation of tensions in the region . it comes after a royal region. it comes after a royal navy destroyer took out 21 attack drones. they were launched by houthi rebels, who are backed by iran. bank of england boss andrew bailey warned yesterday that tensions in the middle east could push pnces in the middle east could push prices up here in britain , and a

prices up here in britain, and a disruptive arctic snow blast is set to hit britain next week. the met office warning a northerly airflow will deliver extreme cold and snow showers from sunday. it means travel plans could once again be affected, with the rac motoring organisation warning drivers to prepare emergency survival kits in case of breakdown. meanwhile the government's cold health alert remains in place, warning of the severe weathers potential to have a significant impact on vulnerable people . a full vulnerable people. a full bulletin for you at 6:00. background though, on all those stories for now by heading to our website, gbnews.com . our website, gbnews.com. >> for a valuable legacy your family can own gold coins will always shine bright. rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report quick update on the markets for you now and the pound buying you

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news. always a pleasure. so there's an expansive range of issues on the table here, as well as brushing teeth at school, home visits to give vaccinations to children, the banning of vape adverts aimed at kids and also the banning of fast food adverts. this is precisely the kind of big state interfering nanny state that many people fear under the labour party . labour party. >> that's great news, martin. >> that's great news, martin. >> it's fantastic news. it's exactly what we want to hear. it's what those of us who vote for the labour party and want the labour party to represent our interests, to do . and it's our interests, to do. and it's exactly that. i mean, what people nanny is people call the nanny state is simply looking after people , simply looking after people, especially, especially children. this isn't, you know, care . this isn't, you know, care. starmer hanging about in your bathroom . martin making sure bathroom. martin making sure that you're brushing your teeth. it's people in schools making sure kids are looking after sure that kids are looking after their health and that where parents are unable, you know , in parents are unable, you know, in some difficult and dysfunctional homes, unable to do that , that homes, unable to do that, that schools the only remember schools the only remember

schools the only place where often the state has a chance to influence the lives of children are able to do that for the for the positive. now james, it might surprise you that the toothbrush idea i actually think is a good idea. >> and that's because my mrs. is a teacher and there are so many kids that have rotten choppers . kids that have rotten choppers. it's unbelievable. actually, there's a load of kids who turn up who nappy trained at up who aren't nappy trained at school. spends half time school. she spends half her time changing nappies and pants and trousers, isn't that because trousers, but isn't that because parents are failing in their duty ? and why is it a government duty? and why is it a government job? literally to wipe their noses or brush their teeth of their children ? their children? >> well, there's two arguments there, isn't there? the first, i would say, is that you either think, well, okay, it's the parents responsibility. and where does that end the nhs, that's where it ends. and it ends the nhs footing ends up with the nhs footing the bill, have pick up bill, and they have to pick up on further down line. on that further down the line. >> want to view it in >> so if you want to view it in a very, you know, calculated and you know, of emotionless you know, kind of emotionless capacity , then you view it in capacity, then you view it in

that that it money that way that it saves money in the run. the long run. >> however , i also the >> however, i also believe the moral case here is that a society is a society that we believe that together we can influence people's lives for the better , and that children better, and that those children who currently might be from difficult or challenging backgrounds, if they're given the proper support and the proper tools life skills to proper tools and life skills to move forward, you know, who knows what they could be in the future how they could future and how they could contribute to our society as a whole. >> yeah, james, another controversial idea on the table here is the fact that in 12 out of 14 vaccinations, given um, programs in britain , there's programs in britain, there's been a decline since the pandemic, it seems jab suspicion has grown and the labour party are planning to get health visitors into homes to vaccinate kids in homes. that's making a few people feel rather uncomfortable . what would you uncomfortable. what would you say to that ? say to that? >> well, there's always going to be discomfort around the issue of vaccine , isn't there? um, i'm of vaccine, isn't there? um, i'm not as dismissive as as some

people who share my view who have been pro vaccine, um, of people who were who were suspicious. i believe that i'd rather try and convince them of the need for it, rather than force into it or, you know, force them into it or, you know, because that further because i think that further fuels the conspiracy theories that exist out there. >> however, i think it's a great idea, i really do. >> i mean, you know, it's bringing that medicine and bringing that medicine and bringing care to bringing that health care to children and to families so that the elements or the specific, you know , challenges that they you know, challenges that they may face, that stop them getting to health care centres or scheduling appointments or anything like that, can be, you know, taken away that they don't miss out. because remember, with vaccines, it's all of us who pay the price. at the end of the day, it's not just those who choose to opt out. they affect us all because of herd immunity, of course. >> james briefly good rishi >> and james briefly good rishi sunak to ban smoking and sunak wants to ban smoking and now starmer wants to ban vaping and fast food ads. what is it with modern politicians trying to ban everything and is that even possible ? yeah a difficult

even possible? yeah a difficult one again. >> and it's always going to be one of those things that people say, oh, we don't want to be told what to do. don't want told what to do. we don't want told what to do. we don't want to be you how to to be told, you know, how to live at the live our lives. look at the smoking look at look how smoking ban and look at look how successful that's been. you know, with regard smoking know, with regard to smoking indoors of taxation you know, that kind of taxation you know, reducing smoking via taxation that's sadly , that's happened. but sadly, what's is very what's happened is this very insidious element of vaping, which of the tobacco which many of the tobacco companies have gone into instead, um, are targeted predominantly at children . i predominantly at children. i mean, these are marketed like sweets , you know, the bright sweets, you know, the bright colours , the packaging. i mean, colours, the packaging. i mean, i was on a bus this afternoon in edinburgh city centre and there was a kid at the front of the bus. he must have been 9 or 10 years old and he was vaping on the know, i mean, the bus, you know, i mean, there's has got to take there's someone has got to take a this out. and i a handle to sort this out. and i think it's brave and it's bold to suggest that actually the state play a role in this. state does play a role in this. okay >> james mathewson, very fruitful conversation. thank you for joining us ever. great forjoining us as ever. great stuff. thank you. now to my

favourite part of the show. every single day. it's this again. joining is again. joining me now is michelle dewberry. of course, dewbs& co up 6 or 7 jubes dewbs& co coming up 6 or 7 jubes what's on your menu . what's on your menu. >> oh i've got lots i want to talk to you guys about tonight. martin of course, all know, martin of course, we all know, don't the nhs, it's failed don't we? the nhs, it's failed now. of its targets for now. so many of its targets for years and years and years. we all love it, don't we? we all use it and we all want it to continue. but it time now to continue. but is it time now to have conversation and have that hard conversation and accept it's just not really accept that it's just not really working under its current model? is privatisation the answer to that? want talk about that? i also want to talk about why earth teachers are having why on earth teachers are having to not because of to go on strike, not because of money. martin but because of the fact of their pupils fact that some of their pupils are and are assaulting them and something else i want to get into. and i that this is into. and i admit that this is quite sensitive topic, but quite a sensitive topic, but i've enraged story i've been enraged by a story i read few days ago by a now ex read a few days ago by a now ex doctor avoided jail. doctor that's avoided jail. i quote by the skin of his teeth and he basically can be summarised as a paedophile. he has the highest category of child abuse imagery on his

computer . child abuse imagery on his computer. i'm absolutely sickened and appalled by it. so i'm asking a simple question tonight. martin, is it time for mandatory chemical castration for paedophiles ? i get it, it's for paedophiles? i get it, it's controversial , but i for paedophiles? i get it, it's controversial, but i think it's an important conversation to have. >> well, michelle dewberry be that show will not pull any punches. you've got the guts to go where a lot of others fear to tread. michelle dewberry excellent stuff. that's going to be a corker. six till seven dewbs& co right after me. always a pleasure and it is my favourite part of the show. thank you. now moving on. the london birmingham stretch of london to birmingham stretch of hs2 could cost up to an eye—watering £66 billion, and it turns out the trains will be smaller than the ones that do the current journey anyway. is this the biggest waste of public money . in this the biggest waste of public money. in history? i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news

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britain's election. channel >> welcome back. it's 546. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news now the government is looking into plans to build a new large scale nuclear power plant, despite concerns about delays to existing projects including hinkley point c and sizewell c, the project aimed to improve britain's energy security and reduce reliance on overseas supply , is being described as supply, is being described as the biggest expansion of the sector in 70 years, but how long will it take to get off the ground and more to the point, will it mean cheaper power? well, joining me now is john lindberg, director of the european nuclear society and president of swedish nuclear. john, thank you so much for joining us. britain has had a problem with nuclear historically . it gets something historically. it gets something of a bad press. but of course the the technology the technology, the technology has on apace. it's much has moved on apace. it's much safer now. can you tell us why this is a great idea for britain ? >> well

7- >> well , 7 >> well, martin, thanks for having me. i think when it comes to the announcement today, it is indeed a paradigm shift that we are seeing and the reason why this really matters is that we are now taking energy security back into our own hands. are now taking energy security back into our own hands . we are back into our own hands. we are making sure that energy is actually generated on british shores, whilst also making sure that we are not as vulnerable to supply chain shocks as we have seen time and time again over the last 5 to 10 years. so it's really about onshoring our own own, um, fundamental needs as a nafion own, um, fundamental needs as a nation and in terms of safety, we see in countries such as france, hugely safe and secure and reliable energy. >> as a consequence, we don't see those those unfortunate and unwanted spikes in prices when we see things like ukraine happening . happening. >> well, exactly. and that's one of the beauties with, with nuclear reactors. whilst they might take a bit of time to build in comparison to your gas fired power plant or to solar panels, once operation able they will be running at a you know,

to 90 to 95% of the time, something that you're not seeing for any other energy source . but for any other energy source. but also, you know, a nuclear reactor, once constructed, can operate for at least 60, 80, maybe even 100 years. so it's really about a question of building that solid base that you can then build a modern society upon. and given that a reactor can be operational for such a long period of time, and given that once built and once you paid off the loans required for the reactors, the fuel costs are minuscule. so you're really talking about extremely cheap electricity for a very long penod electricity for a very long period of time. and you've seen that in countries that really were on the forefront of nuclear expansion. you mentioned france . expansion. you mentioned france. sweden is another great example where not only are you able to build , uh, and not only able to build, uh, and not only able to build, uh, and not only able to build a, a modern society , build a, a modern society, you're also able to decarbonise your electricity supplies and have that really important price predictability that unfortunately, in the swedish case, you're now seeing when you

take reactors offline prematurely and you introduce more volatile energy sources, energy prices are spiking and then dropping and then spiking, and that lack of predictable ability creates a very damaging environment, both for the consumers and for business. well john limbird, the director of the european nuclear society and the european nuclear society and the president of swedish nuclear, you make a very compelling case indeed. >> and superb food for thought. thanks for joining >> and superb food for thought. thanks forjoining us on gb thanks for joining us on gb news. now the executive chair of the hs2 , john thompson, has told the hs2, john thompson, has told mps that the estimated cost of the line from london to birmingham has rocketed to an . birmingham has rocketed to an. eye—watering £66 billion. well, joining me now to discuss this is the conservative mp greg smith, who's on the house of commons transport committee . commons transport committee. thanks for joining commons transport committee. thanks forjoining me in commons transport committee. thanks for joining me in the studio , greg. full disclosure , studio, greg. full disclosure, i've politically campaigned against hs2 in the past, particularly. yeah, across the

west midlands where i was, i was yet to meet anybody who actually wanted it . but before we lay wanted it. but before we lay into the case against why do politicians still persist with what many people think is a white elephant the honest answer to that is, i don't know. i've never been anything but against high speed two or as a railway, i've got 19 miles of the wretched thing through my constituency and i can see where the money is being wasted. i can see where lives are being frankly ruined. real human misery on the ground , and all misery on the ground, and all for what they don't even talk about 20 minutes faster anymore . about 20 minutes faster anymore. and on the other side of that coin, you've got lnerjust this coin, you've got lner just this week talking about how they can shave half an hour off journey times to edinburgh without having build this monster of having to build this monster of a great big multi—billion pound railway. i honestly don't know why many of my colleagues seem to support it. well um, we we've seen successive tory governments backing it to the hilt. of course, george osborne, george osborne was a big fan. cameron

was a big fan. even boris seemed to it. there that to like it. so there is that political legacy of sticking with it. that the point now with it. is that the point now that so they that they've gone so far? they can't turn around? it'll be too expensive to scrap . i don't know can't turn around? it'll be too exitznsive to scrap . i don't know can't turn around? it'll be too exit came to scrap . i don't know can't turn around? it'll be too exit can beo scrap . i don't know can't turn around? it'll be too exit can be too rap . i don't know can't turn around? it'll be too exit can be too expensive 't know can't turn around? it'll be too exit can be too expensive to znow if it can be too expensive to scrap because actually a labour peen scrap because actually a labour peer, done peer, tony barclay, has done some that some great work that shows that you losses down to you can get the losses down to still an eye—watering amount of money. billion, is it money. £8 billion, but is it better to lose billion better to lose 8 billion than spend another 50 odd billion up to that? that new £66 billion price tag that john thompson told us about yesterday? i think one of the political problems with high speed two is that normally when a government comes up with a bonkers, crazy idea, you can normally rely on the opposition to oppose . we with opposition to oppose. we with hs2 . opposition to oppose. we with hsz . it opposition to oppose. we with hs2 . it seems to be that it was hs2. it seems to be that it was born under a labour government, but then the coalition and conservative governments have run with it. but labour have remained entirely in favour of it. the lib dems, with the one exception of chesham and amersham , where it was amersham, where it was politically expedient for them to talk down, entirely to talk it down, are entirely in favour my party favour of it. my own party largely there's

largely is. and then there's a rump of us in the conservative party, mostly, but but some labour as well, who speak labour mps as well, who speak out against it and try and shine a light on why we can't afford it a nation. too it as a nation. it's too destructive and it isn't going to any benefits. okay, to bring any benefits. okay, greg, go on another greg, before we go on another topic on lapel topic i noticed on your lapel there israeli flag there you have the israeli flag next the union flag, and next to the union flag, and you'd like to talk to me about why that is and what the campaigning you've been doing on that. sure i was israel that. sure i was out in israel last week. it was a really harrowing trip. i saw things that i'll be honest with you, i'm going to haunt me forever. i visited the town of sderot . that visited the town of sderot. that used to be a 35,000 population town near the gaza border. it's now a ghost town about 4000 people. where the terrorists first attack act. i went to kibbutz cafes , which didn't used kibbutz cafes, which didn't used to have street names, but there's now a street in there called the street of death because somebody was killed in every single house on that street. uh i met with with the

idf , who showed us some of the idf, who showed us some of the weapons that they've captured from terrorists they've killed, or that fell to the ground whilst the terrorists were in israel . and there is a clear israel. and there is a clear sign on those weapons? yes. many of them home made in gaza. but others clear, identify ours back to iran, to north korea. really scarily to china . this has scarily to china. this has ramify options for israel and for the whole of the global security . i think there's got to security. i think there's got to be moral clarity that we've got to stand with israel, that is a nafion to stand with israel, that is a nation that saw the worst loss of jewish life since the holocaust. and that attack on the 7th of october. they have got to finish the job. they have got to finish the job. they have got to finish the job. they have got to eradicate hamas from from gaza. anyone that talks of a two state solution, i'm afraid it is for the birds to say a ceasefire will help that so long as terrorists control gaza , so long terrorists control gaza, so long as hezbollah are operating in

lebanon, so long as the houthis are doing what they're doing, attacking shipping vessels in the red sea , a two state the red sea, a two state solution, any form of peace is just for the birds. we've got to stick with israel. we've got to see the eradication of these evil terror groups that define themselves by the eradication of jewish people and the jewish state. and then we've got to find a way to peace with the terrorists eradicated . greg terrorists eradicated. greg smith, a moving testimony. thank you very much for joining us smith, a moving testimony. thank you very much forjoining us in the today. well, it's the studio today. well, it's been fantastic show. thanks been a fantastic show. thanks for us. after the break, forjoining us. after the break, dewbs co. i'll be back tomorrow dewbs& co. i'll be back tomorrow three six. i've been martin three till six. i've been martin daubney have fantastic evening i >> -- >>a >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello, this is annie shuttleworth with your latest gb news weather update from the met office. we'll see a milder and cloudier night for southern areas this evening, but in the north different story , plenty north a different story, plenty of and a frosty

of clear spells and a frosty start tomorrow. but for many of us it's going to be staying dry. that's pressure is that's as high pressure is remaining in charge the remaining in charge across the uk through the rest of the week. it be dragging in this it will be dragging in this cloud the north sea on a cloud off the north sea on a nonh cloud off the north sea on a north easterly breeze. that cloud will spread much of cloud will spread into much of wales southern scotland. two to leave of us a cloudy leave many of us with a cloudy but dry and as a result, but dry night and as a result, temperatures will likely hold up a than they have a little higher than they have done lately. however across much of northern ireland and scotland it will be a cold and crisp night. tonight could be down night. tonight we could be down as as minus by as low as minus eight by tomorrow quite tomorrow morning, so quite a cold but sunny start across much of scotland and northern ireland, where it has been fairly gloomy in recent days. so we'll see more sunshine lasting into as well . into the afternoon as well. however, elsewhere it's going to be another cloudy day, particularly the further east you are, the more likely you are to cloud lingering to see the cloud lingering through across more through the day. across more western could see some western areas, we could see some sunshine coming through and temperatures or temperatures around 6 or 7 degrees a bit milder than degrees a little bit milder than we seen lately , though we we have seen lately, though we will start to see some rain

sinking southwards. it will mainly rain, perhaps mainly be drizzly rain, perhaps bringing to the high bringing some snow to the high ground the pennines through ground of the pennines through saturday behind it does saturday and behind it it does turn colder through the turn much colder through the bulk scotland and that cold bulk of scotland and that cold air pushes southwards to cover much uk on sunday. but much of the uk on sunday. but we'll continue to plenty of we'll continue to see plenty of dry weather. i'll see you later. that warm feeling inside from boxt boiler . boxt boiler. >> as sponsors of weather on .

may i ask you this? is it time to privatise the nhs? and if not, why not? and if you do think it should be privatised, what would that look like in your mind . and get this right in your mind. and get this right in wales, some teachers have gone on strike this week. no, no no not because of money, not because of conditions. nothing like that. no, it's because of assaults from their pupils. what like that. no, it's because of assearth from their pupils. what like that. no, it's because of assearth isym their pupils. what like that. no, it's because of assearth is going ir pupils. what like that. no, it's because of assearth is going on?|pils. what like that. no, it's because of assearth is going on? and what like that. no, it's because of assearth is going on? and you at on earth is going on? and you know what? i confess this is a sensitive but gb news, we sensitive one. but gb news, we will the debates that